From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 00:00:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24727; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:59:29 -0700 Subject: I know, I'll start a war! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020701014858.24498.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, here goes: All you EDP and Repeater owners, here's the question: If you had to only have a single looper (and I'll even extend this to multiple loopers of one type) WHAT WOULD IT BE? EDP or Repeater? Let the games begin! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 00:43:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29012; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:42:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:42:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D1FDD19.3050206@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:39:53 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > OK, here goes: All you EDP and Repeater owners, here's the question: > If you had to only have a single looper (and I'll even extend this to > multiple loopers of one type) WHAT WOULD IT BE? EDP or Repeater? > > Let the games begin! No offense, but, why? Are you that bored tonight Mark :-) Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 00:46:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29422; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:44:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:44:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.219.178.190] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 17:26:42 -0600 Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! From: Eric Williamson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 04:44:04.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDBD7410:01C220B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > multiple loopers of one type) WHAT WOULD IT BE? EDP or Repeater? EDP. four of them. it wins hands down. i can't afford to drop $2800 on dual stereo looping, so i'll stick with the repeater.d for now ... others will come. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 00:48:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29870; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:47:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:47:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.219.178.190] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 17:29:56 -0600 Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! From: Eric Williamson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1FDD19.3050206@minds-eye.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 04:47:07.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A4CBE60:01C220BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > No offense, but, why? Are you that bored tonight Mark :-) > > Kevin yeah ... that thought occurred to me after i polluted the LD with that last post of mine. this one too, come to think of it. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 01:44:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01282; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:43:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:42:48 -0700 Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <60611433-8CB5-11D6-BEF3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not really bored, but honestly curious. There are times I must admit I've got EDP envy. That coveted ending a loop into overdub, that seamless drone ability. Does the EDP allow you to predefine a loop's length in relation to MIDI 8th notes, like the JamMan. Today, I sure was missing that ability. It's like, I don't really care about the fancy schmancy features of the EDP or the Repeater, although they're fun. Sometimes I just want a great sounding stereo looper that's very simple to operate. Is that so wrong? Maybe the answer is "both." Mark On Monday, February 6, 2040, at 09:58 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: >> No offense, but, why? Are you that bored tonight Mark :-) >> >> Kevin > > yeah ... that thought occurred to me after i polluted the LD with that > last > post of mine. > > this one too, come to think of it. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 01:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01586; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20020630224136.00a8c988@evenfall.com> X-Sender: web732f3@evenfall.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:46:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christopher MacDonald Subject: AmbiLoop 1.10 released Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2gexbB.A.eY.0y-H9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone, I just put up a new version of AmbiLoop with some new features: undo, half-speed, keyboard shortcuts, and a cleaner looking interface. Hope you like it. http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Thanks, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 01:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02539; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020630224136.00a8c988@evenfall.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:56:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: AmbiLoop 1.10 released Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Everyone, > >I just put up a new version of AmbiLoop with some new features: undo, >half-speed, keyboard shortcuts, and a cleaner looking interface. Hope you >like it. > >http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html > >Thanks, > >Chris Looks like a clean and clear design. I seldom have Wintel envy, but I miss seeing your thing in action. Hmmmm ... I'm tempted to try it under VirtualPC. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 02:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05024; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:27:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020701062636.27030.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Hi. I'm Will." Subject: Re: looping: a structural approach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020701014858.24498.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is your friend sharing/selling his thesis with the rest of the world? I hope so. Will > My friend wrote a looping program for his thesis, > based on some of my ideas (he jokingly named it > "Schnackertronics"), and what i found was that > after the first few seconds of playing I forgot > about the looping aspect of it, and just reacted > to what came out of his laptop just like i would > any other instrument. So the end result ends up > being a lot more dynamic. > Of course it helps that he built effects into the > program with a high "mangleage" factor, so it > quickly stops sounding like a guitar. And also he > has 4 independent loops of different lengths, > which by itself makes quite a difference. But > since he can totally concentrate on the looping > aspect of it, he has a lot more control, as > opposed to me stepping on a bunch of pedals, > while still trying to play something decent on my > guitar. > > just a thought, > Ernesto > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 02:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05277; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020701062848.89348.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <60611433-8CB5-11D6-BEF3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe I'm just stuck in dumb-guitar-player mode, but here's a question I've been wanting to ask for years. What are you looping when you are stereo looping? I understand wanting 2 or more EDPs or a Repeater to do multitrack loops, but what are you guys/gals doing that requires the loop, as created, to be stereo? John --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Sometimes I just want a great sounding stereo > looper that's very > simple to operate. Is that so wrong? Maybe the > answer is "both." > > Mark ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 02:36:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05631; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20020630230934.03b8a808@evenfall.com> X-Sender: web732f3@evenfall.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:32:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christopher MacDonald Subject: Re: AmbiLoop 1.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020630224136.00a8c988@evenfall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <25rL_C.A.dXB.Ze_H9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:56 AM 7/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Everyone, > > > >I just put up a new version of AmbiLoop with some new features: undo, > >half-speed, keyboard shortcuts, and a cleaner looking interface. Hope you > >like it. > > > >http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html > > > >Thanks, > > > >Chris > >Looks like a clean and clear design. > >I seldom have Wintel envy, but I miss seeing your thing in action. Hmmmm >... I'm tempted to try it under VirtualPC. >--- >* just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * That would be interesting. It's hard to say what would happen, but if VirtualPC supports the Windows multimedia extensions I suppose it might work. Sorry for leaving out the Mac folks. My Mac (PowerMac 7500) is too old for OS X unfortunately. -Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 02:40:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06107; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:38:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:38:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020630233109.02cd6c48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:38:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! In-Reply-To: <60611433-8CB5-11D6-BEF3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:42 PM 6/30/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Does the EDP allow you to predefine a loop's length in relation to MIDI >8th notes, like the JamMan. Today, I sure was missing that ability. yes, the EDP does this. you can set any number of 8th notes to equal the basic cycle length, so you can have any time signature. Then the actual loop length gets determined by the tempo. You can select the tempo in BPM using the new Tempo Select feature. Or if sync is coming in by midi clock, brothersync, or beatsync that can set the tempo for you. The loop length appears on the display as soon as there is a sync signal. Then you just tap record at any time to start recording. when you tap it again the echoplex rounds off to the right length. It's really simple to use. If you have quantize on, it will wait until the downbeat to start the record, so everything is tightly aligned. If quantize is off you can start any time and still end up with the correct loop length in sync to the clock. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 03:51:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11967; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:49:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: I know, I'll start a war! Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:48:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c220d3$af64c3c0$2107f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020630233109.02cd6c48@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_m_haD.A.z6C.7lAI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tonight I dug into using presets--you can set the tempo here, so whenever you want 128 bpm, send a program change to call up the preset you have stored with that tempo. I was also able to use a program change to switch quantization off, so I could use "sustain substitution" unquantized (works better this way--but I hate letting go of quantization). 15 presets--or you can load them in with sysx. Gary PS Loop IV rocks! At 10:42 PM 6/30/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Does the EDP allow you to predefine a loop's length in relation to MIDI >8th notes, like the JamMan. Today, I sure was missing that ability. Kim answered: yes, the EDP does this. you can set any number of 8th notes to equal the basic cycle length, so you can have any time signature. Then the actual loop length gets determined by the tempo. You can select the tempo in BPM using the new Tempo Select feature. Or if sync is coming in by midi clock, brothersync, or beatsync that can set the tempo for you. The loop length appears on the display as soon as there is a sync signal. Then you just tap record at any time to start recording. when you tap it again the echoplex rounds off to the right length. It's really simple to use. If you have quantize on, it will wait until the downbeat to start the record, so everything is tightly aligned. If quantize is off you can start any time and still end up with the correct loop length in sync to the clock. hope this helps, kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 04:04:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14354; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:04:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: matthew.gallagher@bt.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Problems with Line 6 Echo Pro Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:03:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm new to this looping thing and managed to get myself a Line 6 Echo Pro as my entry into this arena. I've got some problems setting it up and seem to recall reading posts from other subscribers who have this unit, so I'm after your experience / advice. Here's the thing. As soon as I plug the unit into mains electricity (no I haven't touched the front panel power switch) the unit switches itself on, display 'INIT' briefly and then goes into the 'lightshow' mode before apparently settling down to normal. My reading of the manual led me to believe that it would do nothing until I turn the power on with the switch on the front panel, would go into 'lightshow' more and then settle down for normal use (no mention of the 'immediate power up' or 'INIT' messages in the manual) I'm running the unit using an FCB1010 and have had that talking to the Echo Pro and my other FX unit successfully - but this entails a couple of MIDI/SYS changes on the Echo Pro, most notably telling it to respond to MIDI messages on channel 2 instead of the default, channel 1. When I make these changes they are apparently stored within the unit during normal power up / power down cycles (using the switch on the front panel) but if I disconnect the unit from mains electricity and reconnect it, the unit goes through it's 'INIT' power-up cycle and forgets all my changes. So I have three questions for those of you with these units, is the 'INIT' power up normal, is there some 'extra' SAVE option that isn't described in the manual that makes MIDI/SYS changes non-volatile, does it sound like I've got a dodgy unit? I've directed the same questions at Line 6 (haven't heard anything from them), but would like input from other users of the Echo Pro (or any Line 6 Studio Modeller for that matter). Thanks Matt Gallagher (UK) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 04:38:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17640; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <51.20471581.2a516e3a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:35:06 EDT Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <2HIJ8D.A.4SE.fRBI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What are you looping when you are stereo looping? > > I understand wanting 2 or more EDPs or a Repeater > to do multitrack loops, but what are you guys/gals > doing that requires the loop, as created, to be > stereo? Usually using stereo FX processors before the loop. This then frees up the processor so you can create new FX sounds (and overdub) without losing the effect on the loop. Also, if the effect is controlled by the input in some way, or by a pedal as you play its nice to have it pre loop. For instance, I use a lot of stereo FX patches which can vary the sound from "almost normal" to "totally abstract" under pedal control. Then the FX expression control is very much part of the playing. In this case the FX needs to be pre loop, otherwise the dynamics of the FX is lost. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 04:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19152; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:57:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:57:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701014911.02d4fa98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 01:57:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I know, stereo In-Reply-To: <20020701062848.89348.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <60611433-8CB5-11D6-BEF3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:28 PM 6/30/2002, John Tidwell wrote: >Maybe I'm just stuck in dumb-guitar-player mode, but >here's a question I've been wanting to ask for years. > >What are you looping when you are stereo looping? > >I understand wanting 2 or more EDPs or a Repeater >to do multitrack loops, but what are you guys/gals >doing that requires the loop, as created, to be >stereo? I've often wondered about that too, in regards to live performance. How useful is stereo on stage? I can see the point in a small, intimate setting where the audience is sitting in front of the speakers much as they would sit in front of their stereo at home. But how could that work in a larger venue? Wouldn't a lot of people only hear one channel or the other? Would the stereo effect be totally lost for most of the audience? Or worse, actually harm the sound for significant portions of the audience? Does the sound guy at a larger club even care if you give him a stereo feed? Do they actually use it or just run it mono? And what about a dance club? Is stereo even used in that context? I'd be really interested to hear from people with experience with these things. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 05:09:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21070; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020701090709.1370.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:07:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <51.20471581.2a516e3a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Andy. It seems pretty obvious (once it's spelled out for me). I guess this is where the record to overdub capability of the EDP really comes in handy to avoid chopping off reverb tails & delay repeats. Did you ever sync up your Vortex to the EDP? John --- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > > What are you looping when you are stereo looping? > > > > I understand wanting 2 or more EDPs or a Repeater > > to do multitrack loops, but what are you > guys/gals > > doing that requires the loop, as created, to be > > stereo? > > Usually using stereo FX processors before the loop. > This then frees up the processor so you can create > new FX sounds (and overdub) without losing > the effect on the loop. > > Also, if the effect is controlled by the input in > some way, > or by a pedal as you play its nice to have it pre > loop. > > For instance, I use a lot of stereo FX patches > which can vary the sound > from "almost normal" to "totally abstract" under > pedal control. > Then the FX expression control is very much part of > the > playing. In this case the FX needs to be pre loop, > otherwise > the dynamics of the FX is lost. > > andy butler > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 05:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21670; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020701091350.25406.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: I know, stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701014911.02d4fa98@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, Kim. I was afraid you might make me change my name to "Ace". :) John --- Kim Flint wrote: > > I've often wondered about that too, in regards to > live performance. How > useful is stereo on stage? ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 05:20:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22162; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:18:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:18:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: LoopIV: Saving Presets Via SysX Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:17:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c220e0$23347a00$cdd6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A question: I am using Cakewalk 9 as a sysx librarian. It would seem that the Echoplex Digital Pro needs a Dump Request Macro to initiate the dump of the presets. Has anyone written one of these? I tried to decipher Chapter 9 of the Loop IV manual but I guess I'm not as smart as I thought I was--I can't make heads or tails of it. Is it possible to dump single presets and load them in one at a time? Thanks, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 05:45:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23702; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:43:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:43:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701023852.02b76df8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 02:43:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I know, stereo In-Reply-To: <20020701091350.25406.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701014911.02d4fa98@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com only if I can be paul. At 02:13 AM 7/1/2002, you wrote: >Thank you, Kim. I was afraid you might make me >change my name to "Ace". > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 06:09:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26650; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:08:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:08:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701014911.02d4fa98@loopers-delight.com> References: <60611433-8CB5-11D6-BEF3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20020701014911.02d4fa98@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:07:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: I know, stereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If i could add a lil' off topic question: does anybody knows if big setups out there (read: the Edge, David Gilmour, and so on) are stereo? I know that VanHalen was using a three channels setup (left - center - right), and Vai should use a similar setup too. Any advice on this? TIA Faisal >I've often wondered about that too, in regards to live performance. >How useful is stereo on stage? > >I can see the point in a small, intimate setting where the audience >is sitting in front of the speakers much as they would sit in front >of their stereo at home. But how could that work in a larger venue? >Wouldn't a lot of people only hear one channel or the other? Would >the stereo effect be totally lost for most of the audience? Or >worse, actually harm the sound for significant portions of the >audience? > >Does the sound guy at a larger club even care if you give him a >stereo feed? Do they actually use it or just run it mono? > >And what about a dance club? Is stereo even used in that context? > >I'd be really interested to hear from people with experience with >these things. > >kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 07:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01204; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:33:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:33:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.145.186.243] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <60611433-8CB5-11D6-BEF3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20020701014911.02d4fa98@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: I know, stereo Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:45:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 11:32:44.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[04B4E160:01C220F3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Absolutely Stereo is Very important live!!! One of the features of the human body is that we have two ears, and a band as a collection of people "take up space", guitar to the left, bass right, drums center, etc. I find, when mixing live bands, that just panning instruments slightly, positions them in "field" and in some way gives them space in the sound picture! When it comes to guitar as a solo instrument, SINCE WHEN (?) has a guitar been mono??? I have NEVER had a mono set up, initially i was probably only using stereo reverb (reverb for ex is an effect that is a MESS in mono! think about what it is supposed to be emulating!) and auto pan, but now!!! OH MY GOD, i got one repeater track already panned left another panned right, I pick which track i wanna loop on depending on where i want that sound in the stereo picture. + the good ole Vortex is pissing sounds left and right all over the shop!! + guitar synth where a trad stand up bass pans left right on every note i play, + an acoustic 12 sting git, where alternate strings go to alternate speakers (E to right A left D right G left etc) The possibilities are ENDLESS!!! As far as the sound being poor for the audience if they happen to be over the left of the room say, sure pan the WHOLE DAMN MIX left and right and could be a prob, but you know it worked fine for the beatles!!! Ever tried panning Sgt Pepper over to one side, lose the right? its cool THE RINGO MIX !! So i got repeater, but want edp too! repeater is turning out to be a loop storage unit for me, and not a live-looper, so stick with vortex, but edp got all them "drop-in chop up, next loop back to 1st, get confused, have a lie down, wake up, wiggle about, suss it out finally and then Kim goes and brings out a new version"...features i keep hearing about on LD i dont think i can take it any more, my guitar rack already looks like a 60's MOOG for faen! (Norwegian swear-word!) PS: Adrena.Linn looks cool? anyone tried? Mark Red ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: Re: I know, stereo > At 11:28 PM 6/30/2002, John Tidwell wrote: > >Maybe I'm just stuck in dumb-guitar-player mode, but > >here's a question I've been wanting to ask for years. > > > >What are you looping when you are stereo looping? > > > >I understand wanting 2 or more EDPs or a Repeater > >to do multitrack loops, but what are you guys/gals > >doing that requires the loop, as created, to be > >stereo? > > I've often wondered about that too, in regards to live performance. How > useful is stereo on stage? > > I can see the point in a small, intimate setting where the audience is > sitting in front of the speakers much as they would sit in front of their > stereo at home. But how could that work in a larger venue? Wouldn't a lot > of people only hear one channel or the other? Would the stereo effect be > totally lost for most of the audience? Or worse, actually harm the sound > for significant portions of the audience? > > Does the sound guy at a larger club even care if you give him a stereo > feed? Do they actually use it or just run it mono? > > And what about a dance club? Is stereo even used in that context? > > I'd be really interested to hear from people with experience with these things. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 08:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04617; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:05:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:05:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 08:06:29 -0400 Subject: Re: looping: a structural approach - Ernesto's comments From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207010804.EAA14561@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3108355589_161433_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3108355589_161433_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On that note, one concept I'd like to explore is to take the idea of the "looper as an instrument" further by having a seperate person operating it. In my experience this leads to much more interesting possibilities. Yes, I did that once -- a friend happened to be visiting, we were fooling around, and he played the looper and Kaos pad while I sang, played synths and acoustic piano (not going into the looper). Within about 2 minutes he did several things that I never thought to do -- e.g., ride the mike volume from 0 to loud, thus playing with the natural acoustics of the voice in the room. I too enjoyed just playing and not having to worry about pedals and such. --MS_Mac_OE_3108355589_161433_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: looping: a structural approach - Ernesto's comments On that note, one concept I'd like to = explore is
to take the idea of the "looper as an instrument"
further by having a seperate person operating it.
In my experience this leads to much more
interesting possibilities.  

Yes, I did that once -- a friend happened to be visiting, we were fooling a= round, and he played the looper and Kaos pad while I sang, played synths and= acoustic piano (not going into the looper).
Within about 2 minutes he did several things that I never thought to do -- = e.g., ride the mike volume from 0 to loud, thus playing with the natural aco= ustics of the voice in the room.
I too enjoyed just playing and not having to worry about pedals and such.
--MS_Mac_OE_3108355589_161433_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 08:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06666; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:31:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:30:01 EDT Subject: Re: looping: a structural approach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com e_schnack@yahoo.com writes: >On that note, one concept I'd like to explore is >to take the idea of the "looper as an instrument" >further by having a seperate person operating it. > In my experience this leads to much more >interesting possibilities. yeah, it's a different approach. personally, i like to integrate things wherever possible, so..... sometimes i'm the one making the original bleeping that's being looped, and at other times i'm looping other sources --- inputs from microphones on the sax-ist, the drummer, bassist, singer, etc..... many times, though, all of the previous might wind up in one of a few parallel loops, or in the same one..... i do find that the 'looping' of someone else's performance (or, a-performance) conveys a completely different perspective, both as a 'player' and as a listener..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 10:52:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19704; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:50:45 +0200 Subject: The most beatiful midi controller... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D1FDD19.3050206@minds-eye.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.midiman.net/products/midiman/surfaceone.php Has anyone been lucky enough to try one of these? Just think of all the possibilities! -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 10:54:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19699; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:49:01 +0200 Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I had a choice between my Repeater and the DL4, then I'd choose the DL4 out of its sheer simplicity (but could I have four of them in exchange for the repeater? :) Or can I take a chance and trade it all in for a bank of EDP's? :) On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 05:59 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > OK, here goes: All you EDP and Repeater owners, here's the question: > If you had to only have a single looper (and I'll even extend this to > multiple loopers of one type) WHAT WOULD IT BE? EDP or Repeater? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 11:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22209; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:05:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a501c22110$97291300$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020701062848.89348.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:04:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <00Uh_B.A.SaF.Z-GI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What are you looping when you are stereo looping? Sometimes I'll set up a stereo mic pair. I'll play a shaker or singing bowl and shift my playing position to control the panning. So I use stereo looping when I want to control the sound animation as I play the instrument. Sometimes I'll set up a quad looper with four mics. The mics are all pointed to a common center. I play a signing bowl at the center spot so you hear the rubbing stick (punja?) circling around the quad speakers. You know, the ole"listener in the bowl" illusion? ("Wish I was a Kellogg's Cornflake, Floatin' in my bowl takin' movies...") It's not stereo or quad looping but sometimes I'll experiment with a quad set-up that uses three independent loops. Two loops rotate around the quad speakers at different speeds, generally in the same direction (CW) but that can be changed as with the rotation speed, too. When the position of the two sounds coincide, the third loop is triggered for one playback cycle. This leads to many variations depending on the loop contents. Some examples: 1) Use two vehicles for the rotating loops and a crash sound for the third. 2) Use a clock (tick-tock) and snoring for the rotating loops and an alarm for the third. 3) Use two sets of footsteps for the rotating loops (male and female) and either a kiss or slap for the third. Remember, "It's a fine line between clever and stupid." Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 11:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24998; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:38:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:38:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 10:38:25 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: looping: a structural approach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02c501c22115$56b1d500$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020701014916.70097.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2PSbVC.A.IGG.ydHI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool stuff. i searched "schnackertronics" at google and found this link: www.csounds.com/ezine/Summer2001/schnackertronics/ >... > My friend wrote a looping program for his thesis, > based on some of my ideas (he jokingly named it > "Schnackertronics"), and what i found was that > after the first few seconds of playing I forgot > about the looping aspect of it, and just reacted > to what came out of his laptop just like i would > any other instrument. So the end result ends up > being a lot more dynamic. > Of course it helps that he built effects into the > program with a high "mangleage" factor, so it > quickly stops sounding like a guitar. And also he > has 4 independent loops of different lengths, > which by itself makes quite a difference. But > since he can totally concentrate on the looping > aspect of it, he has a lot more control, as > opposed to me stepping on a bunch of pedals, > while still trying to play something decent on my > guitar. > > just a thought, > Ernesto > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 11:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25335; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.29cc4ea6.2a51d21b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:41:15 EDT Subject: Why stereo? (Was Re: I know, I'll start a war! ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello there, In a message dated 6/30/02 11:29:04 PM, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes: >Maybe I'm just stuck in dumb-guitar-player mode, but >here's a question I've been wanting to ask for years. >What are you looping when you are stereo looping? >I understand wanting 2 or more EDPs or a Repeater >to do multitrack loops, but what are you guys/gals >doing that requires the loop, as created, to be >stereo? I'm just a dumb guitar player too so I guess I can answer this with some authority. If I were ONLY using a guitar and an amp in a mono setup a single EDP would suffice somewhere either in a mono FX loop or simply patched between the two somehow . . . I suppose. But, since many of my other effects contain all sorts of stereo information, I also have a stereo amplification set up too. And, since I've already gone to that trouble, it seems sensible to me to try to preserve this aspect in the loops as well. It might work in live situation to have a looper that sums right and left inputs to mono (like my JamMan did when I had one). In that old setup my effected "original" guitar sound was still awash in stereo delays 'n' stuff and the loop (when it came around) was summed mono. Often in clubs the PA is blasted out in mono as well and nobody hears all those neat panning FX, ping-pong delays and stereo filters unless there right at the stage anyway. But, for myself, I really thought I was missing something by not hearing all of the panning FX (from my Lexicon Vortex especially) repeat in the loop -- it all seemed kind of "flat" sounding as it looped around. I play with an EXTREMELY processed sound and stereo is pretty essential to make it work at all (IMOHO). Add to that that there is often a little Roland g-synth added to my guitar sound that has it's own stereo characteristics and its own FX chain (including another Vortex). To me only using one EDP did not seem an option as long as I have 2 working ears. In many ways I often fantasize that I had yet another pair. I own enough power amps and have speaker cabs enough to operate in quad . . . and there's a switch on my 12-channel stereo mixer that will actually split it into two independent 6-channel stereo mixers. I dunno, it could be kinda cool . . . Or maybe I'm just another crazy victim of G.A.S. (gear acquisition syndrome). Heh, heh. heh. Sometimes, when I listen to what Andre is doing with just a guitar, an amp and a single EDP. I get a nasty jones in the other direction. What he's doing is pretty doggone amazin'. I can hardly wait till the Santa Cruz concert in 2 weeks at the Cayuga Vault. It'll be the first time I seen him play in 5 or 6 years. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 11:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25555; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:44:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:43:35 -0700 Subject: Stereo (was Re: I know, I'll start a war!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020701062848.89348.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4DB9C471-8D09-11D6-BEF3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, June 30, 2002, at 11:28 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > > What are you looping when you are stereo looping? > Good question. I'm using a Repeater. Why use stereo? Why have stereo? My two main guitar effects processors both have stereo outs. My main loop mangler is stereo. Now, having things heavily panned live can be a problem, as people close to the stage will have issues with the mix, but with the size of most places I play (small) it's not much of a problem. It's just great to be playing a loop and hit a footswitch and all of the sudden your loop is spinning around with a doppler effect, while you control the speed with a pedal. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 11:48:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25852; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:47:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:47:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:46:41 -0700 Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020630233109.02cd6c48@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, June 30, 2002, at 11:38 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > If you have quantize on, it will wait until the downbeat to start the > record, so everything is tightly aligned. That's the way it should be Kim. Sweet. Question: Does Loop4 come with new EDPs? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 11:55:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26548; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:54:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:54:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:53:34 -0700 Subject: Re: I know, stereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020701091350.25406.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've found that, in most dance clubs, running stereo is fine, as there's enough speakers (usually) to cover the space anyway. Plus, most club goers like to be dizzy. Mark >> I've often wondered about that too, in regards to >> live performance. How >> useful is stereo on stage? > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 12:05:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28558; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:03:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:02:32 EDT Subject: Re: I know, stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <_84vHC.A.-9G.H1HI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Faisal, In a message dated 7/1/02 3:08:23 AM, faisalmoro@mac.com writes: >If i could add a lil' off topic question: does anybody knows if big >setups out there (read: the Edge, David Gilmour, and so on) are >stereo? I've been backstage at a Floyd concert and talked with David's guitar tech, Phil Taylor. The setup is VERY elaborate . . . and yes it's fully stereo. I used to work for Seymour Duncan and got backstage access via my former employer (even though David now endorses EMGs he still uses Duncans on some things). Anywho . . . I have no idea about the Edge. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 12:10:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29070; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:08:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:08:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d501c2211a$84eb88d0$32a35e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <6f.29cc4ea6.2a51d21b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Why stereo? (Was Re: I know, I'll start a war! ) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:15:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >Maybe I'm just stuck in dumb-guitar-player mode, Well, I come from an acoustic piano background, so my understanding of this is a bit weak... Question: is there any post-EDP "simple/cheap/small" units that can create a stereo "effect?" I know the DL4 can do some panning, but what other kind of right/left kinda stuff is out there? Would this be desirable? I know that any stereo stuff going INTO one EDP are coming out mono, but can some fun be had later, even if it is kinda "pseudo-stereo?" David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 12:20:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30329; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:19:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:19:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:17:56 -0700 Message-Id: <200207011617.g61GHuf29907@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [140.233.70.138] From: "murkie !" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I know, stereo Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> I've often wondered about that too, in regards to > >> live performance. How > >> useful is stereo on stage? i do clubs but the main arena i perform live in is usually chamber music venues (where people sit quietly in a very controlled environment and listen politely). stereo is definitely a plus. also, having my monitor set-up in stereo often provides me with a little extra inspiration. so even on the occasions the house mix is mono, my monitors are stereo. m.c. Mark Christensen http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Big Heavy World at http://www.bigheavyworld.com, Vermont's music 24/7. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 12:33:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31397; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1b9.28a97c2.2a51ddc5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:31:01 EDT Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Did you ever sync up your Vortex to the EDP? > > John hi John You can't actually sync it, all you can do is get the delay time to be set automatically. The loop will always drift eventually. So I never bothered, as (i think) I can tap accurately enough. There's a circuit for doing this (from Matthias Grob) on Lexicon Vortex Database Also I noticed that sometimes the Vortex modulation FX introduce a time delay, which throws out the timing anyway. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 12:40:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32079; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:40:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:40:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:38:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 16:38:57.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBE64830:01C2211D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah. I usually make my loops stereo via post processing. The EDP goes either into a Vortex>Lxp-1 combo or straight into a PCM80. Fun dizzy stuff :P LOU >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:31:01 EDT > > > Did you ever sync up your Vortex to the EDP? > > > > John > >hi John > >You can't actually sync it, all you can do is get the >delay time to be set automatically. >The loop will always drift eventually. >So I never bothered, as (i think) I can tap accurately >enough. >There's a circuit for doing this (from Matthias Grob) on > Lexicon Vortex >Database > > >Also I noticed that sometimes the Vortex modulation FX >introduce a time delay, which throws out the timing anyway. > >andy > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 13:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02779; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:08:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:08:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:59:32 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Apple Acquires Emagic X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Steve Ellison , John McMahon , Stephen Noftall , Richard Bugg , Jeremy Friesner , Jeff Koftinoff Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------------------------------------------------------------- APPLE U.K. P R E S S R E L E A S E ------------------------------------------------------------- 1 July 2002 REF: UK02/0701 ============================================================= Apple Acquires Emagic ============================================================= CUPERTINO, California and HAMBURG, Germany--July 1, 2002--Apple today announced it has acquired Emagic, a leading provider of professional software solutions for computer based music production. 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Apple is committed to bringing the best personal computing experience to students, educators, creative professionals and consumers around the world through its innovative hardware, software and Internet offerings. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 13:09:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02781; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:08:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: I know, stereo Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:54:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP IV is definitely the desert island box. I've created some of my best loop music in my first week of use. It'll take you into DEEP places... Repeater is a perfect complement to the the EDP. Not necessarily at the same time, but the possibilities appear endless in tandem use with EDP Loop IV. Biggest obstacle to that is that LoopIV is so stimulating to creativity and discovery, that at first you may find you don't use the Repeater for a while :-) The AdrenaLinn is a monster with these loopers. It sends midi clock so works great as a master clock. As clock slave I have not gotten it to recognize start song yet (could be I'm filtering something out of my midi patchbay), though the tempo does sync. I think the guitar amp sims are great (but I'm no tube purist either), and the clock or sequence synced filters, flange, etc are vast in their potential. Using the SoundDiver editing module makes rolling patches a lot of fun. One thing I did a few days ago: Recorded a drum beat from the AdrenaLinn into the clock slaved EDP. Using Sync=8ths, the sync was tight enough for me to reverse the beat on the EDP, slice it, unround multiply, etc---all while the original beat was playing, getting (for me) unprecedented polyrhythms, backward drums, etc. Very exciting. Then putting some clock synced flange or filter sequenced guitar on this...Guess you can't tell I'm stoked :-) NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 13:15:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03379; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:14:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:14:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:14:30 +0100 Subject: looping other people... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> yeah, it's a different approach. personally, i like to integrate things wherever possible, so..... sometimes i'm the one making the original bleeping that's being looped, and at other times i'm looping other sources --- inputs from microphones on the sax-ist, the drummer, bassist, singer, etc..... many times, though, all of the previous might wind up in one of a few parallel loops, or in the same one..... i do find that the 'looping' of someone else's performance (or, a-performance) conveys a completely different perspective, both as a 'player' and as a listener.....<<< I did the recently with vibraphonist Orphy Robinson - I ran his MALLET KAT MIDI vibes thingie into my loop set up, and tweaked away - it was great fun, and when we play live, I'm thinking of having a line from the MALLET KAT into my raven labs DI, so I can bring it in and out when I want to to loop bits in with my bass nonsense... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 13:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03613; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:17:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:17:12 +0100 Subject: gig spam - advanced warning of dates in the UK... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just finalising the details of a very loop-heavy tour in November, featuring me, michael manring and David Friesen. So far booked are Nov 5th at Ocean in Hackney, London, Nov 6th at South Street Arts Centre in Reading, and Michael and I doing a clinic at the Bass Centre in Wapping, London on the 7th. put those in your diary - I'll do a proper spam mail with details when they are firmer... Hoping to firm up venues for 4th and 8th ASAP - let me know if there's somewhere near you that we could play - anyone got contacts at Norwich Arts Centre/similar place in Cambridge or Birmingham? cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 13:36:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05267; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:35:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:35:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:35:16 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fran: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > CUPERTINO, California and HAMBURG, Germany--July 1, 2002--Apple today > announced it has acquired Emagic, a leading provider of professional > software solutions for computer based music production. Emagic's most > popular product, Logic, is actively used by over 200,000 musicians around > the world. Emagic will operate as a wholly owned division of Apple. > > "Emagic has set the industry standard for professional music creation and > production," said Sina Tamaddon, Apple's senior vice president of > Applications. "We're very excited to have the Emagic team join Apple and > create more amazing products for musicians." > > Macintosh-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic's current > revenues. Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on > September 30, 2002. > > Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple > II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. > Apple is committed to bringing the best personal computing experience to > students, educators, creative professionals and consumers around the world > through its innovative hardware, software and Internet offerings. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD Thanks for the reminder, Richard. I was hit by these news early this morning, Swedish time, which is the same time zone as Germany. I have been helping Emagic in beta-testing Logic for Windows for a while, but I guess that will soon be history. I don't know yet if I will now have to get a faster Mac (my powerbook G3 died last week and my second Mac is a Centris 25 mHz ;-) to go on working in Logic - or if I will have to start using Digital Performer or Cubase SX on my fast studio P4. This depends on a lot of things, yet to be revealed. But I must say I'm curious to see what Logic for OS X will look like and if there might be a Apple OS X for Intel machines coming out in a near future. As curious as I'm also pissed of by corporate strategies of this kind. Needless to say there are a lot of sad and angry PC users around the world today. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 8 341181 Mobile 070 4416713> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 14:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08892; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:05:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c2212a$4b264ee0$e3981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: , References: Subject: Re: Apple Acquires Emagic Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:08:22 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is digital performer also for PC? .jukka andersson finland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Fran: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > > CUPERTINO, California and HAMBURG, Germany--July 1, 2002--Apple today > > announced it has acquired Emagic, a leading provider of professional > > software solutions for computer based music production. Emagic's most > > popular product, Logic, is actively used by over 200,000 musicians around > > the world. Emagic will operate as a wholly owned division of Apple. > > > > "Emagic has set the industry standard for professional music creation and > > production," said Sina Tamaddon, Apple's senior vice president of > > Applications. "We're very excited to have the Emagic team join Apple and > > create more amazing products for musicians." > > > > Macintosh-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic's current > > revenues. Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on > > September 30, 2002. > > > > Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple > > II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. > > Apple is committed to bringing the best personal computing experience to > > students, educators, creative professionals and consumers around the world > > through its innovative hardware, software and Internet offerings. > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > > Thanks for the reminder, Richard. I was hit by these news early this > morning, Swedish time, which is the same time zone as Germany. I have been > helping Emagic in beta-testing Logic for Windows for a while, but I guess > that will soon be history. I don't know yet if I will now have to get a > faster Mac (my powerbook G3 died last week and my second Mac is a Centris 25 > mHz ;-) to go on working in Logic - or if I will have to start using Digital > Performer or Cubase SX on my fast studio P4. This depends on a lot of > things, yet to be revealed. > > But I must say I'm curious to see what Logic for OS X will look like and if > there might be a Apple OS X for Intel machines coming out in a near future. > As curious as I'm also pissed of by corporate strategies of this kind. > Needless to say there are a lot of sad and angry PC users around the world > today. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com > Phone +46 8 341181 > Mobile 070 4416713> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 14:20:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09950; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:15:14 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Apple Acquires Emagic In-reply-to: <003a01c2212a$4b264ee0$e3981cd5@hyeena> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, per@boysen.se Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003a01c2212a$4b264ee0$e3981cd5@hyeena> Resent-Message-ID: <7SI5rB.A.HbC.lzJI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:08 PM +0300 7/1/02, Jukka Andersson wrote: >is digital performer also for PC? No. Mac only: Requirements Digital Performer requires a Power Macintosh with at least 64Mb or more of free RAM (not virtual memory). We recommend a Macintosh G4 with 256MB of RAM for optimal performance. Digital Performer runs on MacOS 8.5.1 thru the latest versions of MacOS 9. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 14:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12170; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:45:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:45:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D20A311.8228971E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:44:34 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why stereo? (Was Re: I know, I'll start a war! ) References: <6f.29cc4ea6.2a51d21b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > But, for myself, I really thought I was missing something by > not hearing all of the panning FX (from my Lexicon Vortex > especially) repeat in the loop -- it all seemed kind of "flat" > sounding as it looped around. I play with an EXTREMELY > processed sound and stereo is pretty essential to make > it work at all (IMOHO). Exactly. I'm also using a GR-30 to trigger a XV-5050 which has tons of stereo information. Sometimes, when > I listen to what Andre is doing with just a guitar, an amp > and a single EDP. I get a nasty jones in the other direction. Right! Ah the simple life! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 14:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12710; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:51:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:51:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:49:58 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: looping other people... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:30 AM -0400 7/1/02, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >sometimes i'm the one making the original bleeping that's being >looped, and at other times i'm looping other sources --- inputs from >microphones on the sax-ist, the drummer, bassist, singer, etc..... At 6:14 PM +0100 7/1/02, Steve Lawson wrote: >I did the recently with vibraphonist Orphy Robinson - I ran his MALLET KAT >MIDI vibes thingie into my loop set up, and tweaked away - it was great fun, >and when we play live, I'm thinking of having a line from the MALLET KAT >into my raven labs DI, so I can bring it in and out when I want to to loop >bits in with my bass nonsense... Aside from the occasional solo gig where I process prerecorded material, all of my performances are based on sampling and processing of other performers. The setup varies somewhat, but normally is built around a mixer with multiple effects sends and several processors. I did this for several years (1982-85) with Diamanda Galas, using two DDLs, an Eventide Harmonizer, and digital reverb. In this case there was no looping (except on one of the prerecorded backing tapes), but there was a certain amount of cross-routing of the effects. I returned all the effects outputs to mixer inputs, so that I could send one effect to another via the effects sends. The main outputs generally went to a quad surround speaker system. We used four microphones, and these were often sent individually to separate processors. Mics were also spatially assigned for some pieces. On "Eyes Without Blood" AKA "Les yeux sans sang" AKA "Wild Women With Steakknives" three stand mics were arranged in a small triangle. The left mic went to the left front speaker and the right mic to the right speaker; the top (center) mic went to the rear speaker(s). The left and right mics were individually assigned to DDLs and the returns of these delays were assigned to the opposite speakers (left mic to left speaker and to DDL1; DDL1 output to right speaker). The hand-held mic went to all speakers. Performances with bassist Robert Black used a smaller setup, usually an Eventide H3000 and one or two TC2290 sampler/delays, with everything controlled from a Max patch and fader boxes. The processing was generally more extreme than with Diamanda and was much more freely improvised. In these performances looping and processing with long delays were common. A couple projects with the Philadelphia new music ensemble Relache used a method of sending selected inputs to a Fairlight Voicetracker, so rather than imposing effects processing on the instrumental sounds I would generate a derived synthesizer voice that tracked the source with varying degrees of accuracy. Sometimes I'd send an instrument signal into a reverb and then to the Voicetracker, introducing a kind of "pitch memory" to the VT's response. My setup with Cosmic Debris (late '90s) used a pair of Eventides fed by signals from the rest of the band (actor, flute, keyboard synths, percussion loops, sometimes bass). The processing in this case was all over the DSP map, but looping and sampling were prominent in certain pieces. Signal routing was accomplished with a sort of backwards patching of an old Mackie 1604 mixer. I'd send the Alt 3-4 outputs to the house mix, which allowed me to audition my post-fader effects without sending either the source or the effects to the mix. Then when I was ready I would assign the effect to Alt. Processing other people can be challenging both on a technical and aesthetic level and on an interpersonal level. Most people just don't like their performance to be messed with; others treat it as a delightful opportunity. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 14:53:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12967; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:52:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:52:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701115021.02fca1e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:52:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020630233109.02cd6c48@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:46 AM 7/1/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >On Sunday, June 30, 2002, at 11:38 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >>If you have quantize on, it will wait until the downbeat to start the >>record, so everything is tightly aligned. > >That's the way it should be Kim. Sweet. Question: Does Loop4 come with >new EDPs? that is expected to be true in the very near future. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 15:15:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16180; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D20A9A2.E700006F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:12:36 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen wrote: > > But I must say I'm curious to see what Logic for OS X will look like and if > there might be a Apple OS X for Intel machines coming out in a near future. When Apple got Steve Jobs back, there was a version of the NextStep OS (which OSX is based on) that was ready to run on Intel boxes. Apple announced that OSX would be released for BOTH platforms. Yeah, that's right folks. Both. I think they realized that they make most of their money on hardware, so they scrapped the Intel version. A damn shame for Intel box owners. Imagine being able to have the best commercial OS in the world run on cheap hardware? Oh well. > > As curious as I'm also pissed of by corporate strategies of this kind. > Needless to say there are a lot of sad and angry PC users around the world > today. Oh poor PC users. They hardly have any software. Software companies never just stop development of Mac software. Sorry for the sarcasm, but this stuff has been happening to Mac users for years and years, so it's hard to hear the other side complain. Suck it up and buy a Mac. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 15:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16366; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:15:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:15:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D20AA32.843F66B3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:15:00 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4pboz.A.M-D.4oKI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The DL4 (or the Line6 Loop Pro) are a totally different catagory, IMO. They're inability to synch to computer gear, or any other gear, for that matter, make them not very useful to me, though I imagine they'd be great for a little ambient loop show. Mark Sottilaro Stuart Wyatt wrote: > If I had a choice between my Repeater and the DL4, then I'd choose the > DL4 out of its sheer simplicity (but could I have four of them in > exchange for the repeater? :) > > Or can I take a chance and trade it all in for a bank of EDP's? > > :) > > On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 05:59 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > OK, here goes: All you EDP and Repeater owners, here's the question: > > If you had to only have a single looper (and I'll even extend this to > > multiple loopers of one type) WHAT WOULD IT BE? EDP or Repeater? > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 16:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24930; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:26:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010601c2213e$1b960260$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents still coiled with redjet media visuals Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:30:15 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Summer chillout in an underground air-conditioned bar - mmmm. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 2nd - still coiled with redjet media visuals still coiled (Rob Greenway aka brilliantfish and Jim Field from Rhea's Obsession) perform 2 sets of "saline, iodine and mercury" in celebration of their debut self-titled CD, recorded last November at The Ambient Ping by Crispin Giles. (Bring some extra $ as the new CD will be available at the club.) This show utilizes live and recorded loops, guitar, synths and electronic percussion, and again features the stunning visual work of redjet media. http://www.brilliantfish.com - Between Sets CD - Inner Zone by Steve Roach + Vidna Obmana Two surrealist sound sculptors collaborate on an album of shape-shifting soundscapes mixed with rhythmic excursions. Fujara, a Hungarian overtone flute, & electric guitar are featured elements of this acoustic & electronic atmospheric music experience. (Projekt) (2002) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 9th - dreamSTATE with Steven Sauve and General Chaos Visuals http://www.dreamSTATE.to - http://www.karmafarm.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient and experimental performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 16:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25986; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 13:37:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Why stereo? (Was Re: I know, I'll start a war! ) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6f.29cc4ea6.2a51d21b@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As an example of what happens with a single EDP and stereo effects, you can visit: http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg The raw guitar has pretty obvious cross delays (DL8000R, if you care). The loop doesn't. I sometimes miss the effects in the loop, but it's one way to make the loop recede a bit relative to the new material. I also gain back a little bit of stereo for the loop when it hits the ambience effects (mostly AM8000R and an Ibanez SDR-1000+). So, now I've got two EDPs. I have some interest in just running them as a stereo pair, but that's also just driven by the realization that doubling the number of EDPs significantly increases the number of controls I need if they aren't acting as a stereo pair. As it is, I'm focusing on trying to work with independent loops which is easy if I push buttons but more confusion prone if done with my feet unless I get another EFC-7 and find space to put it. Mark P.S. Speaking of dual EDPs, my new EDP seems to have made my old EDP much more heat sensitive. Could I mitigate some of this by splitting them up in the rack so that the hot spots on one wouldn't be right near the hot spots on the other? on 7/1/02 8:41 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com at ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hello there, > > In a message dated 6/30/02 11:29:04 PM, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes: > >> Maybe I'm just stuck in dumb-guitar-player mode, but >> here's a question I've been wanting to ask for years. >> What are you looping when you are stereo looping? >> I understand wanting 2 or more EDPs or a Repeater >> to do multitrack loops, but what are you guys/gals >> doing that requires the loop, as created, to be >> stereo? > > I'm just a dumb guitar player too so I guess I can answer > this with some authority. If I were ONLY using a guitar > and an amp in a mono setup a single EDP would suffice > somewhere either in a mono FX loop or simply patched > between the two somehow . . . I suppose. > > But, since many of my other effects contain all sorts > of stereo information, I also have a stereo amplification > set up too. And, since I've already gone to that > trouble, it seems sensible to me to try to preserve > this aspect in the loops as well. > > It might work in live situation to have a looper that sums > right and left inputs to mono (like my JamMan did when > I had one). In that old setup my effected "original" guitar > sound was still awash in stereo delays 'n' stuff and the > loop (when it came around) was summed mono. Often in > clubs the PA is blasted out in mono as well and nobody > hears all those neat panning FX, ping-pong delays and > stereo filters unless there right at the stage anyway. > > But, for myself, I really thought I was missing something by > not hearing all of the panning FX (from my Lexicon Vortex > especially) repeat in the loop -- it all seemed kind of "flat" > sounding as it looped around. I play with an EXTREMELY > processed sound and stereo is pretty essential to make > it work at all (IMOHO). > > Add to that that there is often a little Roland g-synth added > to my guitar sound that has it's own stereo characteristics > and its own FX chain (including another Vortex). To me only > using one EDP did not seem an option as long as I have 2 > working ears. > > In many ways I often fantasize that I had yet another pair. > I own enough power amps and have speaker cabs enough to > operate in quad . . . and there's a switch on my 12-channel > stereo mixer that will actually split it into two independent > 6-channel stereo mixers. I dunno, it could be kinda cool . . . > > Or maybe I'm just another crazy victim of G.A.S. (gear > acquisition syndrome). Heh, heh. heh. Sometimes, when > I listen to what Andre is doing with just a guitar, an amp > and a single EDP. I get a nasty jones in the other direction. > What he's doing is pretty doggone amazin'. I can hardly wait > till the Santa Cruz concert in 2 weeks at the Cayuga Vault. > It'll be the first time I seen him play in 5 or 6 years. > > Best, > > Ted > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 16:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27491; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:48:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:48:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021001c22140$9080aa10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Why stereo? (Was Re: I know, I'll start a war! ) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:47:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > . . . As it is, I'm focusing on trying to > work with independent loops which is easy if I push buttons but more > confusion prone if done with my feet unless I get another EFC-7 and find > space to put it. > . . . I thought you might be interested in this: http://www.worldserver.com/leas/pedal.htm It's basically a custom EFC-7 for controlling two EDPs. Since the LD posting, I've taken my own advice and added stereo jacks to the pedals so I can use one cable to control both EDPs. (I've posted this before, but it has been some time.) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 16:53:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27371; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:47:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:47:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 13:50:15 -0700 Subject: OT: Silence From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020630224136.00a8c988@evenfall.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA27321 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Big noises at odds over the sound of silence By David Lister Media and Culture Editor 21 June 2002 'The Sound of Silence' may have prompted engaging harmonies from Simon and Garfunkel – but a more literal appreciation of the absence of noise has prompted one of the more curious copyright disputes of modern times. Mike Batt, the man behind the Wombles and Vanessa Mae, has put a silent 60-second track on the album of his latest classical chart-topping protégés, the Planets. This has enraged representatives of the avant-garde, experimentalist composer John Cage, who died in 1992. The silence on his group's album clearly sounds uncannily like 4'33", the silence composed by Cage in his prime. Batt said last night: "I've received a letter on behalf of John Cage's music publishers. I was in hysterics when I read their letter. "As my mother said when I told her, 'which part of the silence are they claiming you nicked?'. They say they are claiming copyright on a piece of mine called 'One Minute's Silence' on the Planets' album, which I credit Batt/Cage just for a laugh. But my silence is original silence, not a quotation from his silence." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 17:10:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30894; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:09:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01af01c22144$20a25f00$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <60611433-8CB5-11D6-BEF3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20020701014911.02d4fa98@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: I know, stereo Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:13:20 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 11:28 PM 6/30/2002, John Tidwell wrote: > >Maybe I'm just stuck in dumb-guitar-player mode, but > >here's a question I've been wanting to ask for years. > > > >What are you looping when you are stereo looping? > > > >I understand wanting 2 or more EDPs or a Repeater > >to do multitrack loops, but what are you guys/gals > >doing that requires the loop, as created, to be > >stereo? > > I've often wondered about that too, in regards to live performance. How > useful is stereo on stage? For live ambient music, stereo is an important aspect, even in a club. The spaciality is enriched even if pinpoint directionality is severely compromised. Cascading echoes and swirling madness are wonderful things. I currently use a single EDP and have the out split to go directly to a mono channel on my mixer and also into my Nord Modular and then into a Boss SE-70 for further mutating and spacializing. Someday I plan to incorporate a 2nd EDP to trap my synths and their treatments in stereo. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 17:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31237; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020701211258.12043.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP heat To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > > P.S. Speaking of dual EDPs, my new EDP seems to have made my old EDP > much > more heat sensitive. Could I mitigate some of this by splitting them > up in > the rack so that the hot spots on one wouldn't be right near the hot > spots > on the other? If either or both of these edp runs rather hot, then perhaps you have the old voltage regulators? I found replacing the old voltage regulators with the new one makes a huge difference in edp heating. The new regulator can be bought from digitech, I believe, or maybe from gibson direct (how I bought mine a couple of yrs ago). bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 17:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32487; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:28:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:28:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:27:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-reply-to: <3D20A9A2.E700006F@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_7ELsD.A.a6H.BlMI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow... just, wow. This is an incredible move for Apple. I can't decide whether it's going to be a good thing for them or not. It seems they're attempting to reclaim their lost leader position in the audio world, and I'm sure it'll work to some extent given the number of faithful Logic users out there... but it makes me wonder... Couldn't this be just the break that Steinberg needs to step up and take over the entire PC marketplace? And might Emagic not end up losing half their customers to CubaseSX? I wonder if Digidesign will try and make extra effort in the PC market now? If Apple's play _does_ work, you certainly won't have to worry about people halting development work on Apple audio software anymore. It seems like that's the whole point of this, to bolster confidence in the Apple platform in the audio community. > Oh poor PC users. They hardly have any software. Regardless of the platform they use, it's hard not to feel somewhat bad for folks who are probably really dedicated to Logic, pretty much being abandoned. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:13 PM > To: loopers > Subject: Re: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic > > > > > Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > But I must say I'm curious to see what Logic for OS X will look > like and if > > there might be a Apple OS X for Intel machines coming out in a > near future. > > When Apple got Steve Jobs back, there was a version of the > NextStep OS (which > OSX is based on) that was ready to run on Intel boxes. Apple > announced that > OSX would be released for BOTH platforms. Yeah, that's right > folks. Both. I > think they realized that they make most of their money on > hardware, so they > scrapped the Intel version. A damn shame for Intel box owners. > Imagine being > able to have the best commercial OS in the world run on cheap > hardware? Oh > well. > > > > > As curious as I'm also pissed of by corporate strategies of this kind. > > Needless to say there are a lot of sad and angry PC users > around the world > > today. > > Oh poor PC users. They hardly have any software. Software > companies never > just stop development of Mac software. Sorry for the sarcasm, > but this stuff > has been happening to Mac users for years and years, so it's hard > to hear the > other side complain. Suck it up and buy a Mac. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 17:41:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01402; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:40:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020701213940.25092.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP, rather easily I might add. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > OK, here goes: All you EDP and Repeater owners, > here's the question: If > you had to only have a single looper (and I'll even > extend this to > multiple loopers of one type) WHAT WOULD IT BE? EDP > or Repeater? > > Let the games begin! > > Mark Sottilaro > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 17:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02203; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:51:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Why stereo? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <021001c22140$9080aa10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, my name is stan and i am a mono man. my heroes are phil spector and joe meek. never heard a stereo sound that i liked (unless i'm listening w/ headphones(which i dont like)to a hendrix record) one guitar one amp one speaker one world (oh yeah, and one looper) :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 18:02:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02426; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:55:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:55:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c22149$e2f918a0$fae9883e@thx1138> From: "matt ishq" To: Subject: Re: hi and a just a quick question. Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:54:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C22152.309B1560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C22152.309B1560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to you all, i'm just dropping it , just looking a for a little = feedback on the electrix repeater.Ive checked the past archives a little but dont have a few spare months :) , i just = wondered if people could confirm if the repeater can do what i'm after = and maybe mention any thing thats not so cool about it. Can you slip loop times or start points etc in realtime ?without a = glitch. Can you easily jam with say 6- 8 loops with no hassle.Does anyway get glitches and is there an issue with the = cards used? Also , can anyway recommend a place to buy one in the uk? as i cant seem = to find a seller anymore....are electrix winding up or something ...as they seem to only sell end of = line in the uk...and no repeaters at all.... Finally!=20 would anyone recommend the repeater for deep chilled and evolving = soundscape stuff? i am thinking i maybe asking a stupid question now but it would be nice to hear = someone say its wonderfull for this . . i would try one out but......not = one for 1000 miles it would seem , in the uk anyway. Finally finally.....can anyone recommend where in the uk to get memeory = cards and pc loader thingy...and can you now transfer wavs to the card = and straight into the repeater all edited and ready to go. Anyway, thanks for the advice in advance , i feel a little lame in that i guess = theres been many posts about this but i would end up spending all my = repeater saved money on web / phone bills......just trying to save = time.....and being lazy....bless you all in loopers land...... best wishes, matt ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C22152.309B1560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi to you all,
 
          &nbs= p;    =20 i'm just dropping it , just  looking a for a little feedback on the = electrix repeater.Ive checked the
past archives a little but dont have = a  few=20 spare months :) , i just wondered if people could confirm if the = repeater can do=20 what i'm after and maybe mention any thing thats not so cool about=20 it.
 
Can you slip loop times or start points = etc in=20 realtime ?without a  glitch. Can you easily jam with say 6- 8=20 loops
with no hassle.Does anyway get glitches = and is=20 there an issue with the cards used?
 
Also , can anyway recommend a place to = buy one in=20 the uk? as i cant seem to find a seller anymore....are
electrix  winding up or something ...as they seem to only sell end = of line in=20 the uk...and no repeaters at all....
 
Finally!
 
would anyone recommend the repeater for = deep=20 chilled and evolving soundscape stuff? i am thinking
i maybe asking a stupid question now = but it would=20 be nice to hear someone say its wonderfull for this . . i would try = one out=20 but......not one for 1000 miles it would seem , in the uk = anyway.
 
Finally finally.....can anyone = recommend where in=20 the uk to get memeory cards and pc loader thingy...and can you now = transfer wavs=20 to the card and straight into the repeater all edited and ready to=20 go.
 
Anyway,
 
thanks for the advice in advance , = i feel a=20 little lame in that i guess theres been many posts about this but i = would end up=20 spending all my repeater saved money on web / phone bills......just = trying to=20 save time.....and being lazy....bless you all in loopers = land......
 
best wishes,
 
matt
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C22152.309B1560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 18:23:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05342; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Why stereo? From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5.99 Date: 01 Jul 2002 14:18:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1025547537.11043.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My acoustic guitar rig is stereo. The overall effect live is very subtle; but striking. Depth of field is amazing. later, jeff On Mon, 2002-07-01 at 18:51, Stan Card wrote: > hello, my name is stan and i am a mono man. > my heroes are phil spector and joe meek. > never heard a stereo sound that i liked > (unless i'm listening w/ headphones(which i dont like)to a hendrix record) > > one guitar > one amp > one speaker > one world > (oh yeah, and one looper) :-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 18:44:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06576; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:43:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:43:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:42:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was excited this AM, but now I am somewhat confused as to what Apple expects to get out of this: Do they think they are buying a dominant highly competitive player who is going to gobble marketshare and drive their revenues? I don't really see that working for them? Do they see themselves as pushing a native audio platform built on Emagic core source? Nice, but with the Mac world at 5% and the beauty of the mac being able to manage multiple vendors and platforms reletively cleanly (emphasis on reletive to Windows) I don't quite get that either. I could see them working some interesting angles on mass-market level as they have done with the imac with the bundled video app they have (my mac is too old to have it -sorry I don't know the name) and smooth upgrade/compatibility with Final Cut Pro. Perhaps they imiatate and/or integrate. That would be cool. The last thing I would want to see is the cottage industry audio developer community spurned with some pay-to-develop SDK which is a possibility. I like all my silly shareware apps! But it's a surprise to me overall - anyone else have any good theories on what's goin on upstairs in Appleland? Ben -----Original Message----- From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul@nioterra.com] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 5:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic Wow... just, wow. This is an incredible move for Apple. I can't decide whether it's going to be a good thing for them or not. It seems they're attempting to reclaim their lost leader position in the audio world, and I'm sure it'll work to some extent given the number of faithful Logic users out there... but it makes me wonder... Couldn't this be just the break that Steinberg needs to step up and take over the entire PC marketplace? And might Emagic not end up losing half their customers to CubaseSX? I wonder if Digidesign will try and make extra effort in the PC market now? If Apple's play _does_ work, you certainly won't have to worry about people halting development work on Apple audio software anymore. It seems like that's the whole point of this, to bolster confidence in the Apple platform in the audio community. > Oh poor PC users. They hardly have any software. Regardless of the platform they use, it's hard not to feel somewhat bad for folks who are probably really dedicated to Logic, pretty much being abandoned. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:13 PM > To: loopers > Subject: Re: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic > > > > > Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > But I must say I'm curious to see what Logic for OS X will look > like and if > > there might be a Apple OS X for Intel machines coming out in a > near future. > > When Apple got Steve Jobs back, there was a version of the > NextStep OS (which > OSX is based on) that was ready to run on Intel boxes. Apple > announced that > OSX would be released for BOTH platforms. Yeah, that's right > folks. Both. I > think they realized that they make most of their money on > hardware, so they > scrapped the Intel version. A damn shame for Intel box owners. > Imagine being > able to have the best commercial OS in the world run on cheap > hardware? Oh > well. > > > > > As curious as I'm also pissed of by corporate strategies of this kind. > > Needless to say there are a lot of sad and angry PC users > around the world > > today. > > Oh poor PC users. They hardly have any software. Software > companies never > just stop development of Mac software. Sorry for the sarcasm, > but this stuff > has been happening to Mac users for years and years, so it's hard > to hear the > other side complain. Suck it up and buy a Mac. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 18:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06766; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c2214d$d744bd80$fae9883e@thx1138> From: "matt ishq" To: References: Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:22:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i thought stans were extinct ........no offence stan. On the subject of stereo......whats wrong with it?anyone played with rss and psychoacoustics also...hass effect....this can be fascinating....ok...so theres phase cancellation ? ive heard and seen this used on many ambient recordings and it does give an edge........wide is wonderfull.....the pseudo 3d movement is way better than left right.....ok so its not 360 degree..... mono ? i use mono signals in a stereo soundfield alot...shifting symetry.....using '3d panning' and hass effect. are we on the same planet stan ?one world i would love to see.......is mother nature in mono? best wishes, matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Card" To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: Why stereo? > hello, my name is stan and i am a mono man. > my heroes are phil spector and joe meek. > never heard a stereo sound that i liked > (unless i'm listening w/ headphones(which i dont like)to a hendrix record) > > one guitar > one amp > one speaker > one world > (oh yeah, and one looper) :-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 18:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07847; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:57:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:57:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:56:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005001c2214d$d744bd80$fae9883e@thx1138> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com probably not > mono ? > are we on the same planet stan ? > > best wishes, > > matt >> hello, my name is stan and i am a mono man. >> my heroes are phil spector and joe meek. >> never heard a stereo sound that i liked >> (unless i'm listening w/ headphones(which i dont like)to a hendrix record) >> >> one guitar >> one amp >> one speaker >> one world >> (oh yeah, and one looper) :-) >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 19:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09664; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:06:37 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > But it's a surprise to me overall - anyone else have any good theories on > what's goin on upstairs in Appleland? > It seems fairly baffling to me as well. Maybe Emagic are struggling a bit and decided to throw their lot in with Apple and OSX and gamble on giving the Dark Side away. Maybe Apple like the coding at Emagic and want those resources for a slightly higher level of built in Audio features for the likes of iPhoto and iMovie. Or maybe (insert theme from twilight zone) Apple are hatching a fully Microsoftian terror beastie on the world of Audio and will not stop until they've fragmented, confused and ultimately destroyed life as we know it because no one can understand how to hook up shit in the Environment window. One thing's for sure, knowing the pace of development, we won't have to worry about anything for a while. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 19:19:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10060; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c2214c$3e3cd380$fae9883e@thx1138> From: "matt ishq" To: References: Subject: Re: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:11:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_Gu7kC.A.ycC.VMOI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Couldn't this be just the break that Steinberg needs to step up and take > over the entire PC marketplace? And might Emagic not end up losing half > their customers to CubaseSX? i for one wouldnt swap over.....no offence...and no....steinberg v emagic discussion but i cant see myself ever needing anymore updates , logic 5.0 i think i stick with.....theres already way to many features for me to use and enough plugins to sink the titanic .Its a fascinating developement though......... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 19:22:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10264; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D20E3F2.62C78BD0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:21:23 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why stereo? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh Stan, unless you've only got a single ear, you are hearing stereo sound, automatically. Can't help it. It's the way humans are wired. Don't limit yourself to a single world. There are many worlds inside of this one, most just less obvious. Mark Sottilaro Stan Card wrote: > hello, my name is stan and i am a mono man. > my heroes are phil spector and joe meek. > never heard a stereo sound that i liked > (unless i'm listening w/ headphones(which i dont like)to a hendrix record) > > one guitar > one amp > one speaker > one world > (oh yeah, and one looper) :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 19:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10435; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:24:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D20E4AC.19070F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:24:30 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that's *exactly* what they're going for. Microsoft seems to be doing it (Windows/Office), why not Apple? Mark Sottilaro "Reid, Benjamin" wrote: > > I could see them working some interesting angles on mass-market level as > they have done with the imac with the bundled video app they have (my mac is > too old to have it -sorry I don't know the name) and smooth > upgrade/compatibility with Final Cut Pro. Perhaps they imiatate and/or > integrate. That would be cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 19:38:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11386; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:37:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:37:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:33:43 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: SV: Apple Acquires Emagic In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Add to this acquisition of eMagic the fact that Doug Wyatt (author of OMS) and James McCartney (author of SuperCollider) are already working at Apple... -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 19:46:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11799; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D20E970.15756E0E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:44:50 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hi and a just a quick question. References: <002201c22149$e2f918a0$fae9883e@thx1138> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can you slip loop times or start points etc in realtime ?without a glitch. > yes > Can you easily jam with say 6- 8 loops > with no hassle.Does anyway get glitches and is there an issue with the cards used? > Also yes, up to 99 loops. Not sure what you'd call a hassle, but to cue a new loop to go into record, you've got to select a loop, then hit record. Same holds true to go to a prerecorded loop. There's no one step operation to this. > Also , can anyway recommend a place to buy one in the uk? as i cant seem to find a seller anymore....are > electrix winding up or something ...as they seem to only sell end of line in the uk...and no repeaters at all.... > Sorry, can't help you here, but you may be able to order them direct via www.electrixpro.com > would anyone recommend the repeater for deep chilled and evolving soundscape stuff? i am thinking > i maybe asking a stupid question now but it would be nice to hear someone say its wonderfull for this . . i would try one out > but......not one for 1000 miles it would seem , in the uk anyway. > I'm not sure if this beast is the best for soundscape stuff for two reasons. One, you can only fade by setting a feedback % *while it's in Record* Sure would be nice to have any track fade (you can do 4 at a time) regardless of it's record status. Second, there's a slight volume "bump" when doing droney stuff. My stuff is never that simple, so I never notice it, but I was a Repeater Beta tester, and I did notice it when I tried. Even so, it's not all that pronounced, but others hate it. No word from Electrix as to if this will ever be fixed. The reasons this beast *is* the best for soundscape stuff is that it's dual stereo or quad, or stereo and dual mono. Very flexible. It's also got a stereo effects send that is really great. Can have it set to effect the loop, but not what's going into the loop. Great for evolving stuff. It's got the longest loop ability, I believe. 8 min per loop. Best audio fidelity of most loopers too. The ability to pitch shift your loops is amazing as well. Real time, while in record, so you're dry signal sounds fine, then it's all pitch shifted in it's first iteration of the loop. Same holds true for time streatching. The USB card reader is really easy to find at most computer shops. You've got to do a little editing of the loop (trim the loop's beginning and end, it's a pain, but easy.) to use it as a loop in other software. I think someone on this list was talking about a PC program that would do this for you. Never heard that it came out. hope this helps, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 19:50:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12254; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D20EA53.9F42B4C4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:48:36 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I know, stereo References: <20020701091350.25406.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think we need to hear from Gary Hall, who's doing most of his stuff in Dolby Digital 5.1! Don't think he performs live though. Could be amazing. Pink Floyd used to do stuff like this. Mark John Tidwell wrote: > Thank you, Kim. I was afraid you might make me > change my name to "Ace". > > :) > > John > > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > > > I've often wondered about that too, in regards to > > live performance. How > > useful is stereo on stage? > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 19:52:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12404; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <17c.a784382.2a5244de@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:50:54 EDT Subject: EDP heat problem (Was Re: Why stereo?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 7/1/02 1:35:08 PM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >P.S. Speaking of dual EDPs, my new EDP seems to have made my old EDP much >more heat sensitive. Could I mitigate some of this by splitting them up in >the rack so that the hot spots on one wouldn't be right near the hot spots >on the other? My EDPs happen to be older ones and are a just bit heat sensitive on hot summer days out in the garage/studio. No problem in Fall/Winter/Spring when it's cool. But, when the temps outside reach the mid 90s (and mid 80s in the studio) my loopers start messing up after only 2 or 3 hours of play. Buttons pressed on the footpedal yield crazy commands (other than the ones intended). I've got spaces between mine in the rack for cooling . . . and this HAS made it better (so my answer to your question is YES). But it still happens pretty regularly anyway this time of year. Good thing I hardly ever play longer than that at a gig anyway. I sure hope the Santa Cruz venue is air conditioned BTW . . . :-) Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 20:13:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15219; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:12:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:12:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:12:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207012012.AA104333354@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: looping: a structural approach X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >e_schnack@yahoo.com writes: > >>On that note, one concept I'd like to explore is >>to take the idea of the "looper as an instrument" >>further by having a seperate person operating it. >> In my experience this leads to much more >>interesting possibilities. > I've done a lot of work with remixing others live. Usually with a singer, but also with guitarists. If you are working with someone who is a strong improvisor, it can be pretty amazing. It's a lot of fun to grab interesting tidbits of what someone is doing and looping it, allowing them to layer over themselves. Some of the best players I've worked with using this approach will start to expect the loop, repeating something they want me to grab until they start to hear it back... Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 20:53:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17284; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:52:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701172616.01dfb4c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:53:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... In-Reply-To: <005001c2214d$d744bd80$fae9883e@thx1138> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:22 PM 7/1/2002, matt ishq wrote: >i thought stans were extinct ........no offence stan. the vast majority of guitarists that I see just have a guitar plugged into an amp. Maybe a few pedals. no stereo, just like stan. >On the subject of stereo......whats wrong with it? I think my original question got lost and never really answered. it wasn't "is stereo useful?" or "how do you use stereo?" or "why use stereo?". Of course it makes sense if you are talking about recorded music in headphones, or playing ambient music to 19 people in a cafe. that isn't the question. I was wondering about a broader scope of live performance -> Where does stereo work and not work? If it is a large club with 1900 people and a big PA, is a stereo rig useful? What about an outdoor festival? Or even a larger cafe where you are stuck over in the corner somewhere and most of the audience are not in a proper stereo field. What i'm wondering is how the stereo effects come across in these situations, since it seems to me most of the audience won't be in a proper stereo field. Is stereo actually useful, pointless, or harmful? does it work for all the members of a band to provide a stereo feed in a large club? How would the sound person use that? Would he really pan each member hard left and right? Or would he reposition each person's stereo image in his stereo field? Or would he laugh at you and sum everybody to mono and mix you his way? Does anybody here have real experiences with this to share? And then I wondered about dance clubs. When people make dance music intended for listening, it often obviously uses stereo. Sounds nice in the headphones, but that is not the real environment for dance music. what actually happens in real dance clubs? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 21:14:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19322; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D20FDC8.122CD2B4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:11:38 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701172616.01dfb4c8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5sI1MD.A.HtE.O3PI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: what > actually happens in real dance clubs? > In reality? You usually get a super loud distorted mix that's so bassy, it drowns out most of the info that your ears can descern stereo information from (note, if the waveform is longer than your ears are apart, you can't tell where it is in a stereo field) but most people are so drunk or on extacy that they don't notice much. The largest stereo gig I did was a small down tempo rave of about 100 people, and there were speakers on each corner of the room, as well as two in the center aiming in. I have no idea how they were positioned, but the effect of my more obvious stereo effects was pretty amazing. The room was probably a little bigger than SLO Loopstock, and everything was covered with futons and beanbag chairs, so the room was nice and dead. I played a smaller place recently, with high ceilings and concreat floors, and the effect was less noticable. When I've mixed sound live for bands playing larger places... I usually wouldn't sum stereo feeds to mono, but do a soft pan (10 & 2 o'clock) Mostly it was from a keyboard player, as stereo guitar effects were less poplular then. (like early 80s) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 22:50:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24246; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:49:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:49:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DSDALY@aol.com Message-ID: <123.13052568.2a526eb9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:49:29 EDT Subject: Brand Spanking New To This To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.13052568.2a526eb9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_123.13052568.2a526eb9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All: I am brand new to this. I am a GUITAR guy. Please give some quick insight. I want a looper for 2 reasons. (1) Lay down rythm parts so I can PRACTICE my soloing and experiment with my soloing. (2) LIVE play to lay down 1 possibly 2 loops in a live situation to compliment what I am doing in my band. I need more than 20 seconds for loops so that eliminates a few machines. I need something that will sound good, and something easy to use and compatible with my Roland VG8-EX rig. I want to put the unit at the end of the chain, after the Roland VG8-EX without coloring my sound. And I need something with a small footprint, I don't have alot of room when I gig live, the FS-300 footswitch that goes with the REPEATER seems like the best choice. My choice right now is the REPEATER, but I see they are now discontinued, but I can still get one. Is there somnething wrong with this unit? Is there a new REPEATER coming out that will be better? BOOMERANG is my second choice, but it is big to put on the floor near my rig, otherwise I hear it is pretty good. Other choices were BOSS RC-20 (but I'm told it colors the sound) Line 6 RACK mount (but it costs so much I would get the EDP, instead). EDP sounds like the best (but it is a little more money that I want to spend, but I would get it if that is the way to go) Thank you all for any quick help here.. Don --part1_123.13052568.2a526eb9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All:

I am brand new to this. I am a GUITAR guy.  Please give some quick insight.

I want a looper for 2 reasons.

(1) Lay down rythm parts so I can PRACTICE my soloing and experiment with my soloing.
(2) LIVE play to lay down 1 possibly 2 loops in a live situation to compliment what I am doing in my band.

I need more than 20 seconds for loops so that eliminates a few machines. I need something that will sound good, and something easy to use and compatible with my Roland VG8-EX rig. I want to put the unit at the end of the chain, after the Roland VG8-EX without coloring my sound. And I need something with a small footprint, I don't have alot of room when I gig live, the FS-300 footswitch that goes with the REPEATER seems like the best choice.

My choice right now is the REPEATER, but I see they are now discontinued, but I can still get one. Is there somnething wrong with this unit? Is there a new REPEATER coming out that will be better?

BOOMERANG is my second choice, but it is big to put on the floor near my rig, otherwise I hear it is pretty good.

Other choices were BOSS RC-20 (but I'm told it colors the sound) Line 6 RACK mount (but it costs so much I would get the EDP, instead). EDP sounds like the best (but it is a little more money that I want to spend, but I would get it if that is the way to go)

Thank you all for any quick help here..
Don --part1_123.13052568.2a526eb9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 23:32:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27324; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e001c22146$6e7ae3d0$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <123.13052568.2a526eb9@aol.com> Subject: Re: Brand Spanking New To This Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:29:48 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C2214E.CF56E7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2HAKtC.A.vqG.c6RI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C2214E.CF56E7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable don- the edp and repeater are probably the highest in fidelity. you can find = both on ebay for cheaper than retail. there are a few edp's on right = now, actually...all under 600 work credits (money). it looks like your usage will be fairly limited, so perhaps something = other than the edp is the right way to go. just do some technical = research to find out which is best for you. i would advise against the = boomerang...the only one i've heard added a hell of a lot of noise. = boss might be the right unit. hopefully you'll get some other replies to help you in your quest for = the perfect looper. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C2214E.CF56E7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
don-
 
the edp and repeater are probably the highest in=20 fidelity.  you can find both on ebay for cheaper than retail.  = there=20 are a few edp's on right now, actually...all under 600 work credits=20 (money).
 
it looks like your usage will be fairly limited, so = perhaps=20 something other than the edp is the right way to go.  just do some=20 technical research to find out which is best for you.  i would = advise=20 against the boomerang...the only one i've heard added a hell of a lot of = noise.  boss might be the right unit.
 
hopefully you'll get some other replies to help you = in your=20 quest for the perfect looper.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C2214E.CF56E7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 23:40:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28083; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ec01c22147$7e2abd40$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701172616.01dfb4c8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:37:24 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've performed live in rock clubs (i play in a rock band) and just asked the engineer, who usually doesn't care if you play stereo, mono, or turn into a pumpkin onstage, to pan your guitar cabs hard. does it translate? well, i saw king crimson fairly recently and they had some stereo stuff going on...probably the work of fripp...but i was off to the left of the stage about 15 feet from the edge and even i could hear the different sides. very very very cool. the club was packed, too (house of blues in new orleans). now, i don't know how many people noticed/cared, but i thought it was a nice trick. i keep everything stereo because, as someone mentioned, things get kinda muddy otherwise. a few of my processor effects sound great divided in stereo...they sound like mush when combined into mono. there are some folks who swear off live stereo applications. london power (amp company) refused to build their stereo power amp when i was in the market for a power amp (they're a "per customer" company...too expensive anyhow). the builder was adamant that "nobody" in the audience could pick up on the difference. anyhow, it cost him a customer, but i don't think he cared one way or the other. there are folks like me who just love - when it's done right. i think with the right p.a. and a semi-cooperative sound guy/gal you can easily get your stereo signal to hit the audience effectively. just my two cents... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 1 23:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28414; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:40:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:40:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f001c22147$a580c6f0$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701172616.01dfb4c8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Why stereo? OT: efc-7 for sale Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:38:30 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of...i've got a practically brand new efc for sale...controlling everything with the all access so i don't need it any longer. email off the list if interested: jimfowler@prodigy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 00:20:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31958; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:19:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:19:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:04:54 -0700 From: mitchkinney Subject: Re: Jamman for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow loopheads, If anyone is interested, I have a Lexicon JamMan for sale. It has the 32 second upgrade, with 1 footswitch and a photocopy of the manual. It is in mint condition. The only reason I am selling it is because I found an EH 16-second delay about a year ago, so I haven't touched the JamMan since. I am asking $450 US. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 00:20:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31957; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:19:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:19:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020702041906.63375.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #398 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207010804.EAA14556@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "Hi. I'm Will." > > Is your friend sharing/selling his thesis with > the > rest of the world? I don't know what his specific plans are, but if you go to www.glennianaro.com and go to software, there's a piture of it (X-tronics). I imagine he'll be putting info on it as well. There's contact info too if you want to email him about it. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 00:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32069; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:20:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:20:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:05:47 -0700 From: mitchkinney Subject: Re: Jamman for sale To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow loopheads, If anyone is interested, I have a Lexicon JamMan for sale. It has the 32 second upgrade, with 1 footswitch and a photocopy of the manual. It is in mint condition. The only reason I am selling it is because I found an EH 16-second delay about a year ago, so I haven't touched the JamMan since. I am asking $450 US. Thanks. Mitch Kinney From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 00:33:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01239; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:32:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:32:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020702043232.64769.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:32:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #399 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207011610.MAA29356@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0ZsEf.A.AT.hzSI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: jim palmer > cool stuff. > i searched "schnackertronics" at google and > found this link: > > www.csounds.com/ezine/Summer2001/schnackertronics/ ah, cool, I didn't know that article was still online. That's the original version on C-Sound. I believe it was also featured in a Electronic Musician article as C-Loops or something like that. The new version was written using PD. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 00:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02891; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:52:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:52:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:52:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Jamman for sale From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh my-a eh16secdelay-my mouth waters w/ those words!!! i use mine everyday and its the most amazing box i will ever own!!(and its a looper) so-whereja git it and waddaya think other than yer statement... i've had mine since they came out and have used it interrmitently(god that dont look right-spelling anyone?). but it is now a permanent part of my anatomy. your mileage *willnot* vary!! s > Hello fellow loopheads, > > If anyone is interested, I have a Lexicon JamMan for sale. It has the 32 > second upgrade, with 1 footswitch and a photocopy of the manual. It is in > mint condition. The only reason I am selling it is because I found an EH > 16-second delay about a year ago, so I haven't touched the JamMan since. I > am asking $450 US. Thanks. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 05:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27590; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:14:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <28.28e53b37.2a52c88c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:12:44 EDT Subject: Stick SB8 and other stuff for sale... To: taptalk@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For sale: Chapman Stick SB8, rack mount effects (Lexicon Vortex, Alesis Quadraverb2, Electrix Filter Queen/ EQ Killer), a Mackie 1202vlz Mixer, and an Akai DR4d hard disk recorder. If interested contact me off list. Thanks. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 05:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28612; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:21:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:21:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Stick SB8 and other stuff for sale... Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:22:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c221aa$0a5206e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <28.28e53b37.2a52c88c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3auPDB.A.p-G.8BXI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Paul- I'd be interested in the Filter Queen and EQ Killer- can you tell me more about them and how much? Thanks- Cliff > -----Original Message----- > From: PMimlitsch@aol.com [mailto:PMimlitsch@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:13 AM > To: taptalk@yahoogroups.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Stick SB8 and other stuff for sale... > > For sale: Chapman Stick SB8, rack mount effects (Lexicon Vortex, Alesis > Quadraverb2, Electrix Filter Queen/ EQ Killer), a Mackie 1202vlz Mixer, > and > an Akai DR4d hard disk recorder. If interested contact me off list. > Thanks. - > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 05:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29330; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Stick SB8 and other stuff for sale... Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:30:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c221ab$0c4b9780$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c221aa$0a5206e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ack- sorry... C > -----Original Message----- > From: Om_Audio [mailto:Om-Studios@Om-Studios.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Stick SB8 and other stuff for sale... > > Hey Paul- > > I'd be interested in the Filter Queen and EQ Killer- can you tell me > more about them and how much? Thanks- > > Cliff > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PMimlitsch@aol.com [mailto:PMimlitsch@aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:13 AM > > To: taptalk@yahoogroups.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Stick SB8 and other stuff for sale... > > > > For sale: Chapman Stick SB8, rack mount effects (Lexicon Vortex, > Alesis > > Quadraverb2, Electrix Filter Queen/ EQ Killer), a Mackie 1202vlz > Mixer, > > and > > an Akai DR4d hard disk recorder. If interested contact me off list. > > Thanks. - > > Paul > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 07:43:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08952; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:42:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:42:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ishq@btinternet.com Message-ID: <1971375.1025610104302.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:41:44 +0100 (BST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MAILER: talk21.com WAS v2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com then this is one giantstereo. close encounters..... > from: Stan Card > date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 00:56:46 > to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... > > probably not > > > mono ? > > > are we on the same planet stan ? > > > > best wishes, > > > > matt > > >> hello, my name is stan and i am a mono man. > >> my heroes are phil spector and joe meek. > >> never heard a stereo sound that i liked > >> (unless i'm listening w/ headphones(which i dont like)to a hendrix record) > >> > >> one guitar > >> one amp > >> one speaker > >> one world > >> (oh yeah, and one looper) :-) > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 09:23:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19478; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <126.1300ebcd.2a5302cf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:21:19 EDT Subject: Re: Jamman for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_126.1300ebcd.2a5302cf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_126.1300ebcd.2a5302cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if EH plan on re-issuing the 16 sec. delay? ...since it's become such a coveted peice it seems like a no-brainer to me. (I seem to recall talk of a possible re-issue a while ago but nothing since). -Todd --part1_126.1300ebcd.2a5302cf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if EH plan on re-issuing the 16 sec. delay?

...since it's become such a coveted peice it seems like a no-brainer to me.
(I seem to recall talk of a possible re-issue a while ago but nothing since).  -Todd --part1_126.1300ebcd.2a5302cf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 10:21:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26174; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:20:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:20:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:25:35 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: even newer microtonal guitar mp3.com file To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , Ohmbient list , the_UncommonChord@yahoogroups.com, the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, davidtorn@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001b01c221d4$54a862a0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com photo 63-tone Just Intonation guitar. Recorded 6.12.2002, NYC http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/200/david_beardsley1.html and also: http://www.seemonkeyphotography.com/david/photo4.htm * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 10:32:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27347; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:31:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:31:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:30:46 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: uploaded loops and.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, We are planning the event,it called "Looper's Delight J 3rd Round". http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J We offer if you have interest,please upload your loop materials to our server via FTP. Detail is below: http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2002 or http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2002/ftp.html Uploaded loops are below: http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2002/uploaded_loops_2002.html if you have interest this event,Please upload your loops.. (it is not later than 10th July 2002. ) _____________ Looper's Delight J is Webcast loop show. it means we invite the net to enter the materials and textures of loops by mp3 for our "Looper's Delight J"live gig. The performers use them and we are live streaming the gig by Real System. Then Internet is big loop. After the show,uploaded loops are free for use everyone,it free download via ftp. Happy Connection and Looping. _____________ p.s. sorry for my poor English.. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 11:55:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03413; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:54:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:54:04 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <042a01c221e0$b1497f10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701172616.01dfb4c8@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sound reinforcement guys argue this ad nauseum. i've played many different sizes of clubs and i've played festivals outside. i've known excellent mixers that refused to go stereo and excellent mixers that swore by it. the best mixer i've known loved stereo. he was the house soundman at a large venue (~2000 capacity) he could make anybody sound good (or bad if they pissed him off) i used to run my guitar in stereo and many of the soundmen wanted to run mono. summing reverb to mono can cause nastiness. better to pick a side. i think reverb (other than spring reverb, which is mono anyway) should be added in the mix this is the main reason i no longer run my guitar in stereo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... > At 03:22 PM 7/1/2002, matt ishq wrote: > >i thought stans were extinct ........no offence stan. > > the vast majority of guitarists that I see just have a guitar plugged into > an amp. Maybe a few pedals. no stereo, just like stan. > > >On the subject of stereo......whats wrong with it? > > I think my original question got lost and never really answered. it wasn't > "is stereo useful?" or "how do you use stereo?" or "why use stereo?". Of > course it makes sense if you are talking about recorded music in > headphones, or playing ambient music to 19 people in a cafe. that isn't the > question. > > I was wondering about a broader scope of live performance -> Where does > stereo work and not work? If it is a large club with 1900 people and a big > PA, is a stereo rig useful? What about an outdoor festival? Or even a > larger cafe where you are stuck over in the corner somewhere and most of > the audience are not in a proper stereo field. > > What i'm wondering is how the stereo effects come across in these > situations, since it seems to me most of the audience won't be in a proper > stereo field. Is stereo actually useful, pointless, or harmful? > > does it work for all the members of a band to provide a stereo feed in a > large club? How would the sound person use that? Would he really pan each > member hard left and right? Or would he reposition each person's stereo > image in his stereo field? Or would he laugh at you and sum everybody to > mono and mix you his way? Does anybody here have real experiences with this > to share? > > And then I wondered about dance clubs. When people make dance music > intended for listening, it often obviously uses stereo. Sounds nice in the > headphones, but that is not the real environment for dance music. what > actually happens in real dance clubs? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 12:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10485; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:56:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:56:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020702165520.9129.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D20FDC8.122CD2B4@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > (note, if the waveform is longer than your ears are apart, you can't > tell > where it is in a stereo field) but most people are so drunk or on > extacy that > they don't notice much. Let's see, the eardrums on a human head are about 5 inches apart, or .42 foot apart. The speed of sound in air is about 1116 ft/sec. Speed = Wavelength * Frequency, so Frequency = Speed/Wavelength Thus, a wavelength of 5 inches (.42 foot) has a frequency of about 2,657 hz (1116/.42 = 2657). A person with normal binaural hearing can certainly tell where a tone of less than 2,657 hz (i.e. longer than .42 feet) is located in a stereo field, or 3 dimentional space, so I don't understand how you can assert 'if the waveform is longer than your ears are apart, you can't tell where it is in a stereo field'. Maybe I misunderstand your statement? bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 14:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21361; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:15:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:15:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <028301c221f4$448af750$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Zoom 2100 questions Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:14:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Zoomers, here's some questions for you. I'm making a emulation of the Zoom 2100 Jam Play and Sampler functions and some items aren't clear from the manual. 1) In Jam Play, how do the LEDs work? In particular the JAM 1, JAM 2, and JAM 3 LEDs? 2) In Sampler, how does the "Rewind" work? Does it instantly jump to the loop beginning? Or does it play the loop in reverse? If so, does it play the loop at normal speed (in reverse)? 3) In Sampler, how does the FUNCTION switch change the playback speed? Does each press decrement the speed by 1? How do you increment the speed once you've changed it? Perhaps it cycles through the choices 1.0, 94, 89, 84, 79, 75, 71, 67, 50, 25? My thanks for any help! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 14:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22043; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020702181954.30414.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207021323.JAA19653@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About this stereo business, let me add my thoughts: in September of 1990, I saw The Grateful Dead for the very first time. I was basically on the far right hand side of the stage (from the audience's perspective), not on the floor, but in the seating section that was to the side of the stage, you could have ostensibly drawn a straight line from where Garcia, Weir, etc the area where I was sitting. During the percussion that Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann always did during the second set, I could most distinctly hear the quadrophonic panning effects that were being used. When stuff was coming out of the rear speakers only, it was easy enough to tell. When I saw Pink Floyd in 94, I was on the far left hand of the audience, quite a distance from the stage, and pretty close to one of the PA stacks. Again I could distinctly hear things coming from behind me. For instance, the voice at the beginning of Great Gig In The Sky that says "I'm not afraid of dying, anytime will do", or the drone at the beginning of Sorrow. Mind you, these examples aren't specifically about stereo, they're about quad (or whatever you want to call what Pink Floyd was using, it seemed like they had five PA stacks, two on other side of the stage, two on either side of what I guess would have been aprox. the 50 yard line on a football field, and one in the rear of the audience). But I think these demonstrate that panning can be used in stadium and arena environments. Mind you, I don't know if everyone else in the audience would have been able to notice these effects. Maybe I just lucked out in both instances and just happened to be in one of the "sweet spots" in the room. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 15:28:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01447; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:27:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: flirts@mail1.wn.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:27:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Arterton Subject: Cape Cod or Boston-area Looper Coach wanted! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking to hire a gentle Looper Coach in the Boston area (preferably Cape Cod). I'm a techno-challenged New England Conservatory-trained singer with a wide range and a lot of experience with writing vocal a cappella arrangements and doing vocal improvisation. I'm hoping to hire a consultant to help me set up a user-friendly system for solo-voice loop-based LIVE performance. I'm MAC-based and have some gear, including a Roland VS-880 (but even it scares me). Please call Jon Arterton (508) 487-0477. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 16:01:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08845; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:02:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020702165520.9129.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't forget the harmonic series. Can one tell where a sine wave of less than 2657 Hz is coming from other than by volume differences? Mark on 7/2/02 9:55 AM, Bret at echoplex@yahoo.com wrote: > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> (note, if the waveform is longer than your ears are apart, you can't >> tell >> where it is in a stereo field) but most people are so drunk or on >> extacy that >> they don't notice much. > > Let's see, the eardrums on a human head are about 5 inches apart, or > .42 foot apart. > The speed of sound in air is about 1116 ft/sec. > Speed = Wavelength * Frequency, so > Frequency = Speed/Wavelength > Thus, a wavelength of 5 inches (.42 foot) has a frequency of about > 2,657 hz (1116/.42 = 2657). > > A person with normal binaural hearing can certainly tell where a tone > of less than 2,657 hz (i.e. longer than .42 feet) is located in a > stereo field, or 3 dimentional space, so I don't understand how you can > assert 'if the waveform is longer than your ears are apart, you can't > tell where it is in a stereo field'. Maybe I misunderstand your > statement? > bret From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 16:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12132; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:16:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:16:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D220A4D.9A67AB35@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:31:06 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT re vs880 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon Arterton wrote: > I'm looking to hire a gentle Looper Coach in the Boston area > (preferably Cape Cod). > I'm a techno-challenged New England Conservatory-trained singer with > a wide range and a lot of experience with writing vocal a cappella > arrangements and doing vocal improvisation. I'm hoping to hire a > consultant to help me set up a user-friendly system for solo-voice > loop-based LIVE performance. I'm MAC-based and have some gear, > including a Roland VS-880 (but even it scares me). > Please call Jon Arterton (508) 487-0477. 1) yes, the vs880 can be somewhat intimidating for a little box, but always remember: it is smaller than you, has fewer moving parts, and, in a pinch, you could probably outrun it... 2) on your needing a loop coach, methinks there ought to be plenty of loopers able/willing to take that one up (heck, i'd even give you a short lesson in all i know if i was east coast-based...but it would be quite short!) 3) on the topic of the vs880, i have a question to the list. i have one of these small dinosaurs, and while i save money toward a 24 track unit, i figure the least i could do to make my recording life more livable would be to invest in a bigger hard drive for it (1GB sure doesn't go very far these days!). i just got an admail for a maxtor 120GB drive for US $160...does this thing fit, and/or what have others put into the vs880? 4) respond off list, blah blah blah. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 16:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14672; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:28:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:27:41 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <049f01c22206$ea4d7c50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes. phase difference is another factor. this gets more difficult with lower frequencies because the phase difference from ear to ear is directly proportional... there are also reflections from the outer ear that give cues. this is easy to try with your computer it starts getting difficult for me below 200 (partly because my speakers are no good) > Don't forget the harmonic series. Can one tell where a sine wave of less > than 2657 Hz is coming from other than by volume differences? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 16:39:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16311; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:36:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:36:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D220EA6.578073DA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:35:51 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... References: <20020702165520.9129.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <31715B.A.f9D.x6gI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe you're not misunderstanding me, maybe I'm wrong... my physics of sound class... so long ago... so very long... I do know that there is a correlation between the ear distance and frequency at which you stop hearing in stereo. It's the principal that every sub woofer ever made is based on. Basically, what I was saying is, that most sound in clubs is a big loud muddy mess that would step on any subtle stereo chorus. Speaking of which, people keep talking about the "One guitar into a single combo amp" setup. I can think of a couple of dozen combo guitar amps, such as the famous Roland Stereo Chorus, that use stereo chorus effects. My first stereo guitar experience was with an Ampeg SC160 that I loved so very much. Mark Bret wrote: > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > (note, if the waveform is longer than your ears are apart, you can't > > tell > > where it is in a stereo field) but most people are so drunk or on > > extacy that > > they don't notice much. > > Let's see, the eardrums on a human head are about 5 inches apart, or > .42 foot apart. > The speed of sound in air is about 1116 ft/sec. > Speed = Wavelength * Frequency, so > Frequency = Speed/Wavelength > Thus, a wavelength of 5 inches (.42 foot) has a frequency of about > 2,657 hz (1116/.42 = 2657). > > A person with normal binaural hearing can certainly tell where a tone > of less than 2,657 hz (i.e. longer than .42 feet) is located in a > stereo field, or 3 dimentional space, so I don't understand how you can > assert 'if the waveform is longer than your ears are apart, you can't > tell where it is in a stereo field'. Maybe I misunderstand your > statement? > bret > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 16:47:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18963; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:46:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:46:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020702204552.81885.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT re vs880 To: baumhaus@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D220A4D.9A67AB35@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- lance glover wrote: > 3) on the topic of the vs880, i have a question to the list. i have > one > of these small dinosaurs, and while i save money toward a 24 track > unit, > i figure the least i could do to make my recording life more livable > would be to invest in a bigger hard drive for it (1GB sure doesn't go > very far these days!). i just got an admail for a maxtor 120GB drive > for > US $160...does this thing fit, and/or what have others put into the > vs880? > Lance, Currently maxtor does not make 2.5" drives that are required to fit inside the vs880. You need a 2.5" drive like is made for a laptop. I have used fujitsu in my vs880, and hitachi, and ibm. You can buy some of these cheap at: http://www.pcperipherals.com/ Here is a vs880 compatible media guide: http://www.synthman.com/roland/support/supplementalnotes/SUPNOTES/VSCOMP.html If you have problem finding what you want, write me offline. I have a dozen or so of these drives and could probably sell you one too. The vs880 has a limit to the drive size it can use. I think they can only use up to a 4gb, 4 partitions, 1 gb each. If you get a larger drive it can work, you can only use 4gb of it. I recently upgraded to the vs-2480, it is awesome. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 17:03:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24538; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020702210207.57872.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, one can localize sine waves lower than 2657hz, easily. It is commonly accepted that very low frequency sounds become hard to localize, as was noted by someone else as employed in use for subwoofers. In spite of this, in some environments localizing low frequencies can be done without difficulty for binaural listeners. I have found that even when my ears have a hard time telling which direction is the source of a very low tone (under 100hz), that pressure on my skin of my arms, legs, or face indicates the direction of the source. Low frequency sounds tend to be able to move around corners or bends without difficulty, causing spreading through the room, and reflections in rooms, making localization harder. Further, standing waves can be present in rooms causing regions in the room that have intensified low freq sound where the standing wave antinodes, and nulls where the standing wave has nodes. bret --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > Don't forget the harmonic series. Can one tell where a sine wave of > less > than 2657 Hz is coming from other than by volume differences? > > Mark > > on 7/2/02 9:55 AM, Bret at echoplex@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> (note, if the waveform is longer than your ears are apart, you > can't > >> tell > >> where it is in a stereo field) but most people are so drunk or on > >> extacy that > >> they don't notice much. > > > > Let's see, the eardrums on a human head are about 5 inches apart, > or > > .42 foot apart. > > The speed of sound in air is about 1116 ft/sec. > > Speed = Wavelength * Frequency, so > > Frequency = Speed/Wavelength > > Thus, a wavelength of 5 inches (.42 foot) has a frequency of about > > 2,657 hz (1116/.42 = 2657). > > > > A person with normal binaural hearing can certainly tell where a > tone > > of less than 2,657 hz (i.e. longer than .42 feet) is located in a > > stereo field, or 3 dimentional space, so I don't understand how you > can > > assert 'if the waveform is longer than your ears are apart, you > can't > > tell where it is in a stereo field'. Maybe I misunderstand your > > statement? > > bret > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 20:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13566; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:39:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2247B5.118A87EA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:39:17 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Where to stay in Santa Cruz? References: <20020702165520.9129.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Santa Cruz Loopers, Looks like the weekend after next is the Santa Cruz Loopfest. Boy howdy! My wife and I are both coming down and we're wondering where would be a decent place to stay? Maybe a bed and breakfast? We'd probably stay Friday and Saturday night. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 20:58:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15244; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c2222c$54ba5c00$6ce65cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #275 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:55:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #275 June 27, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri, who creates ambient music laced with tribal, world, and industrial influences. The Featured CD at midnight was "Sleep," the fourth disc from "The Bluebox Collection" on the Arya label. The Vinyl Starter was from Et S'Aimer Et Mourir by Catharsis on the Sonopresse label. Amir Baghiri http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jun PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Catharsis Vie Et S'Aimer Et Mourir (Sonopresse) Don Slepian Fugitive Intuition Electronic Music from the Rainbow Isle (none) Ricochet Musos Southern Sunset Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu Harmony and Quantum) Ricochet Musos Feedback Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu Harmony and Quantum) Craig Padilla Melting Galaxies Folding Space and Menlting Galaxies (Soace for Music) VA [Harold Grosskopf] Nostalgia 76 First Decade (Manikin) 12:00 am Amir Baghiri Part 1 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 2 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 3 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 4 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 5 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 6 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 7 Sleep (Arya) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Robert Carty. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Gateway" on the Deep Sky label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Floating Music" by Robert Schroder on the IC label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 21:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20639; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:42:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019601c22232$b8d0dc40$6ce65cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for June, 2002 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:37:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for June, 2002. Shows #272 to #275; 6-June-2002 to 27-June-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Alhedion - Kosmische Spuren Eines Lebens - Invisible Shadows Amir Baghiri - City - Arya Amir Baghiri - Live - Arya Amir Baghiri - Night - Arya Amir Baghiri - Sleep - Arya Boots, Aerts, vd Heijden - Livelines - Groove Brannan Land and vidnaObmana - Deep Unknown - brannanlane.com Chris Short and Vir Unis - The Yellow House - In the Bubble Music Craig Padilla - Folding Space and Menlting Galaxies - Space for Music Don Slepian - Electronic Music from the Rainbow Isle - none Giles Reaves with Ashid Himons - The Deep End - Space for Music Martin, Klamt, Rownd - Convergence - Spotted Peccary Max Corbacho - The Resonant Memory of Earth - Space for Music Ministry of Inside Things - Live at the ICA - Synkronos Ministry of Inside Things - Live at the Phila. Museum - Synkronos Ricochet Musos - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Neu Harmony and Quantum Robert Rich - Shambala - Space for Music Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Outpost - DiN Various Artists - First Decade - Manikin vidnaObmana and Joris De Backer - The Oblique Fusion - none Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 22:04:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24195; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:03:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:03:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT:The Sound of Silence Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c22235$f78b2e60$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C221FB.4B2C5660" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C221FB.4B2C5660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just herd a funny article on NPR- a fellow named Mike Batt named and registered a 60 second silent gap on his cd and although he did so as tounge in check reference to John Cage=92s =934:33=94 and credited = himself and =93Cage=94 =96 he was sure to give the record company the fact that he = meant another bloke with last name Cage- (fictional creation actually) The gap was to separate 2 sections on the cd-=20 =20 Now John Cage=92s record company is taking action against this fellow = for Copyright infringement. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C221FB.4B2C5660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 2 22:38:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27892; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:37:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3D064A9000015DB1@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3D2247B5.118A87EA@zerocrossing.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Where to stay in Santa Cruz? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA27836 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, Not that it is in Santa Cruz, but the Brookdale Lodge (http://www.brookdalelodge.com/) is a great place. It's in Brookdale, off of Hmy 9.. Santa Cruz is about 15 miles from there... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:39:17 -0700 >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Where to stay in Santa Cruz? >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Hey Santa Cruz Loopers, > >Looks like the weekend after next is the Santa Cruz Loopfest. Boy howdy! >My wife and I are both coming down and we're wondering where would be a >decent place to stay? Maybe a bed and breakfast? We'd probably stay >Friday and Saturday night. > >Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 02:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24846; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:47:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:47:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 01:46:49 -0500 From: Skip Subject: somebody update the website... In-reply-to: <3D064A9000015DB1@mta08.san.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater's no longer a 'current' looper. http://www.electrixpro.com/ right after i bought one too...fancy the luck. i like it (and still glad i bought it- thank you Guitar Center credit gods), but i was hoping for a version update soon. it's OS is still young and there's a lot of room for improvement. anybody wanna sell a cheap EDP? -12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 03:03:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27210; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:02:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: somebody update the website... Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:03:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2225f$ad5a29c0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4I3QsB.A.8nG.9EqI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn that sucks. C > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [mailto:s-12@swbell.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:47 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: somebody update the website... > > Repeater's no longer a 'current' looper. > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > right after i bought one too...fancy the luck. > > > i like it (and still glad i bought it- thank you Guitar Center credit > gods), > but i was hoping for a version update soon. it's OS is still young and > there's a lot of room for improvement. > > > anybody wanna sell a cheap EDP? > > -12 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 03:08:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27757; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:07:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:07:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: somebody update the website... Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:08:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c22260$74700b60$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PS- Anyone who can find the special multi pin poer supplies for the Repeaters let me know! Cliff > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [mailto:s-12@swbell.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:47 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: somebody update the website... > > Repeater's no longer a 'current' looper. > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > right after i bought one too...fancy the luck. > > > i like it (and still glad i bought it- thank you Guitar Center credit > gods), > but i was hoping for a version update soon. it's OS is still young and > there's a lot of room for improvement. > > > anybody wanna sell a cheap EDP? > > -12 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 03:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29530; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:29:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:29:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: DL4 vs. Line6 Echo Pro Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anyone here played with both of them? i know you guys seem to like the dl4 quite a bit, but i'm curious as to what (if any) real advantage there is to working with the echo pro as opposed to the dl4. i've heard the dl4's construction was fairly poor... maybe the rack is better? anything else worthwhile? paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 04:02:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01099; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:01:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:01:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c22235$3c439bb0$07f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701172616.01dfb4c8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: OT: for sale - gibson EFC-7 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:59:13 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7JAO7D.A.qQ.G9qI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com using my all access now, so this guy's gotta go. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=891792766 thanks. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 04:16:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03093; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c2226a$78e75720$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: New piece upload Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:20:13 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear loopers, I have uploaded a new song to my site at http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com . The name of the song is "Blank mirror". It is a long piece (9'34''). I tried to combine abstract elektroacoustic textures with a pop feel. Also on my site you can listen to the piece "Living in Istanbul" which has been chosen as one of the finalists at the Luigi Russolo electroacoustic music competition last year. I hope you will enjoy them. You can send your comments directly to erdemhel@turk.net . Thank you very much. Erdem Helvacýoðlu erdemhel@turk.net P.S. There are some cool loops on both of the pieces. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 04:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06212; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <196.93aebb9.2a541453@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:48:19 EDT Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <3SoRcB.A.KgB.6prI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dennis > Hey, Zoomers, here's some questions for you. > > I'm making a emulation of the Zoom 2100 Jam Play and Sampler functions and > some items aren't clear from the manual. > > 1) In Jam Play, how do the LEDs work? In particular the JAM 1, JAM 2, and > JAM 3 LEDs? the Jam 1-3 LEDs are off when you go into JamPlay. As soon as you hit one of the buttons to start record, the respective LED comes on, and then stays on till you leave JamPlay. (it tells you that you have a loop recorded) don't forget the LED between Jam2 & Jam3 which is off all the time. the Jam Rec Led flashes when the 2100 is ready to record, and is on during record. otherwise it is off > > 2) In Sampler, how does the "Rewind" work? Does it instantly jump to the > loop beginning? Or does it play the loop in reverse? If so, does it play > the loop at normal speed (in reverse)? it mutes the signal, and "winds the tape back" at about 4x normal speed. (you can see the timing LEDS count down) If you release Rewind before you get back to the start of the loop, then replay starts at that position. If you rewind to the start of the loop, and keep holding, then replay will start from the beginning. > > 3) In Sampler, how does the FUNCTION switch change the playback speed? Does > each press decrement the speed by 1? How do you increment the speed once > you've changed it? Perhaps it cycles through the choices 1.0, 94, 89, 84, > 79, 75, 71, 67, 50, 25? yes, it cycles through the choices ...and don't forget, you can only change playback speed when using the aux input ;-) AND a question for you:- Why emulate this, rather than make something better? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 04:57:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07190; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:56:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:56:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020703085641.24661.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Hi. I'm Will." Subject: Loopers Radio? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1703904707-1025686601=:24499" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1703904707-1025686601=:24499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all. new to the list... is there a Loopers Delight internet radio station around? if not, would some one be willing to start one? I wanna hear what other people are doing. Will ----------- luktown.org musictransparent --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access --0-1703904707-1025686601=:24499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii hi all. new to the list... is there a Loopers Delight internet radio station around? if not, would some one be willing to start one? I wanna hear what other people are doing.

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Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access --0-1703904707-1025686601=:24499-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 05:25:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10843; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 05:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 05:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:23:01 +0200 Subject: Re: DL4 vs. Line6 Echo Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <78DD9445-8E66-11D6-ADA8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The echo pro is a more feature filled rack mounted version of the DL4. It has balanced inputs/outputs, a 60 second loop sampler instead of 14 seconds on the DL4, Midi BPM synchronisation for the delays (no sync for the loop sampler unfortunately). I have only played with the Echo Pro in a shop, but from what I saw, it looked like a very nice piece of kit. Remember that you will probably need a midi pedalboard with the Echo pro too... The construction of the DL4 is far from poor - solid metal case. I abused mine for two years solidly before it went wrong (I ended up getting concrete dust collect inside the pedal, which ate one of the micro switches)... The only criticism that I have of the DL4 is that the buttons are pretty noisy to operate. It is fine for a large stage, but a small solo concert.... 'click'.....'click-click'....... heh :) For the price/quality, the DL4 is unbeatable. On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 09:29 AM, Paul Weissman wrote: > has anyone here played with both of them? > > i know you guys seem to like the dl4 quite a bit, but i'm curious as to > what > (if any) real advantage there is to working with the echo pro as > opposed to > the dl4. i've heard the dl4's construction was fairly poor... maybe the > rack is better? anything else worthwhile? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 05:41:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12202; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 05:40:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 05:40:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Why stereo? its a lesser spotted stan...... Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:40:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020701172616.01dfb4c8@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 5:53 PM > > And then I wondered about dance clubs. When people make dance music > intended for listening, it often obviously uses stereo. Sounds > nice in the > headphones, but that is not the real environment for dance music. what > actually happens in real dance clubs? no one seemed to answer this bit... i dj at many different dance venues and at many parties that i've had a part in producing and i haven't encountered a mono system yet, nor have i ever set up a mono system when responsible for sound. of course, the quality of the sound system at parties and clubs varies _immensely_ and given the state people are in when they set these systems up (and given the average knowledge about sound systems in general) i would doubt they would do anything but plug the L+R outs of their mixers directly into the L+R of the sound system. i'm out dancing often, but usually if the music is good i'm not exactly in the state of mind to analyze the stereo field quality of the speaker setup. ;) the number one concern, as far as i can tell, for dance music is poorly mixed and mastered records. lots of great records pretty much don't hold up in mono. it would SUCK for a dj to throw in a favorite low budget bootleg or trashy mix only to have the entire bass line drop out due to phase cancellation in a mono system. there's tons of delays type effects, like chorus, on basslines in dance music. i've only worked on sound rigs for 1500 or less so i can't tell you waht larger dance venues do. there are often rooms where you have speakers in any of 8 directions from the middle of the floor... i have no idea what kind of mix is in each of those. paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 05:41:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12276; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 05:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 05:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:39:59 +0200 Subject: Re: somebody update the website... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm glad that I purchased mine when I did... I wonder if we will see a reincarnation of the Repeater through TC-Helicon, in the same way that we saw with the EDP? (Oberheim/Gibson). I'm sad. No more updates... the potential of this unit was never even close to being reached :( On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 08:46 AM, Skip wrote: > Repeater's no longer a 'current' looper. > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > right after i bought one too...fancy the luck. > > > i like it (and still glad i bought it- thank you Guitar Center credit > gods), > but i was hoping for a version update soon. it's OS is still young and > there's a lot of room for improvement. > > > anybody wanna sell a cheap EDP? > > -12 > > > -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 06:40:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19612; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:39:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:39:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020703103859.24364.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:38:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: somebody update the website... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does this mean I can sell mine for $3000.00 on ebay? John --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I'm glad that I purchased mine when I did... > > I wonder if we will see a reincarnation of the > Repeater through > TC-Helicon, in the same way that we saw with the > EDP? (Oberheim/Gibson). ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 08:13:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30192; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014001c22352$82721440$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20020703103859.24364.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Repeater's Demise Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:01:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A piss-poor mistake to discontinue it, IMHO. Look at all the work that went into creating it. There's gotta be a better way. 'gards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: Re: somebody update the website... > Does this mean I can sell mine for $3000.00 > on ebay? > > John > > > --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > I'm glad that I purchased mine when I did... > > > > I wonder if we will see a reincarnation of the > > Repeater through > > TC-Helicon, in the same way that we saw with the > > EDP? (Oberheim/Gibson). > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 09:13:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04602; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <84.2ab53c62.2a5451f0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:11:12 EDT Subject: Re: DL4 vs. Line6 Echo Pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_84.2ab53c62.2a5451f0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <5ECvqB.A.JHB.YgvI9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_84.2ab53c62.2a5451f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2002 3:29:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paul@nioterra.com writes: > i've heard the dl4's construction was fairly poor I think the dl4 is better built than a lot of other pedals. That said, i wouldn't want to drop it down the stairs. =-) PJ --part1_84.2ab53c62.2a5451f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2002 3:29:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paul@nioterra.com writes:


i've heard the dl4's construction was fairly poor

I think the dl4 is better built than a lot of other pedals. That said, i wouldn't want to drop it down the stairs.                                       =-) PJ
 --part1_84.2ab53c62.2a5451f0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 09:19:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05344; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <154.1053ed05.2a54534b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:16:59 EDT Subject: Re: somebody update the website... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com s-12@swbell.net writes: >Repeater's no longer a 'current' looper. >http://www.electrixpro.com/ >right after i bought one too...fancy the luck. there goes another one..... >i like it (and still glad i bought it- thank you Guitar Center credit gods), >but i was hoping for a version update soon. it's OS is still young and >there's a lot of room for improvement. ..... and there were plans, but..... >anybody wanna sell a cheap EDP? edp's *are* cheap, given their functionality & support in the ex-pantheon of 'available' looping devices. my suggestion? BUY A NEW ONE FROM GIBSON. (intentional shouting). best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 09:22:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05748; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:21:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:21:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <138.10baf304.2a545408@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:20:08 EDT Subject: Re: somebody update the website... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stuart@solostring.com writes: >the potential of this unit was never even >close to being reached :( truth: sigh..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 10:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14821; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:36:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:36:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.201.161.55] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: somebody update the website... Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:35:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 14:35:51.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE03F890:01C2229E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I was a young looper! I saw the ad for the Repeater. I tried to buy one but Electrix wasn't selling them yet so I looked for some other looping device. I discovered the EDP! It was more than I wanted to spend but I remembered the old tape loop device I had used and really wanted to duplicate what I'd previously done so I took the plunge. I never imagined that the EDP could do what it does when I first purchased it. I still sit and dream of new sounds and try to figure out how to produce them with this unit. Oh, I did get the repeater eventually and it is very nice. I really like using it to record my EDP work. BUY THE EDP! I hope that wasn't too loud... The EDP is my most valuable instrument after the guitar! I love it! Weg From: Hedewa7@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: somebody update the website... Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:16:59 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBEEC44A1001440043212CFE4EE090BE40; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:18:34 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05298;Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:17:37 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:20:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <154.1053ed05.2a54534b@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com s-12@swbell.net writes: >Repeater's no longer a 'current' looper. >http://www.electrixpro.com/ >right after i bought one too...fancy the luck. there goes another one..... >i like it (and still glad i bought it- thank you Guitar Center credit gods), >but i was hoping for a version update soon. it's OS is still young and >there's a lot of room for improvement. ..... and there were plans, but..... >anybody wanna sell a cheap EDP? edp's *are* cheap, given their functionality & support in the ex-pantheon of 'available' looping devices. my suggestion? BUY A NEW ONE FROM GIBSON. (intentional shouting). best, dt / splattercell Weg _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 11:10:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19359; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:04:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <030b01c222a2$c1f06a00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <196.93aebb9.2a541453@aol.com> Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 questions Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:03:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the answers, Andy! > AND a question for you:- > Why emulate this, > rather than make something better? > This is a demo for my Looper Construction Kit for Kyma. I haven't mentioned the LCK in awhile on the list, but I'm about one month from releasing it. (It's against my religion to discuss vaporware, but the LCK software is now in final beta.) The LCK consists of approximately 40 highly optimized DSP assembly routines and associated GUIs tailored for looping. The routines are integrated into the Kyma language so you can easily program with them using the standard Kyma graphical editor. The LCK routines look like little boxes on the screen that you connect together. Hopefully, the LCK is general enough that you can build any kind of looper. As a test, I'm modeling existing loopers such as the Headrush, DL4, Boomerang and Zoom 2100. So far, it's quite easy. The major difficulty is trying to understand how a looper actually operates from the meager on-line documentation and manuals. For example, I anticipate completing the Zoom 2100 emulation in just a few hours. The Headrush, DL4, and Boomerang models are already complete and I have an RC-20 mostly done. (I may need to revise them once I meet up with the real boxes.) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 11:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24317; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:53:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:53:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <014001c22352$82721440$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Message-Id: <05CC4B5B-8E9D-11D6-9D4D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw that coming like a freight train. (Mark lowers flag to half mast) I can't help feeling they totally dropped the ball. I remember a bunch of us offering to go to local music shops all over the world to do demos, and the offer was ignored. Why? When your customers are offering free help for your marketing and you turn them down, you don't deserve to be in business. Still, the Repeater was an amazing beast. To have a looper as the sole product of a decent sized company is suicide though, IMO. There's just not enough public awareness, or demand. I knew it was only a matter of time. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 05:01 AM, Butch wrote: > A piss-poor mistake to discontinue it, IMHO. Look at all the work that > went > into creating it. There's gotta be a better way. > > 'gards, Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Tidwell" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:38 AM > Subject: Re: somebody update the website... > awearness From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 12:18:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27928; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:17:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:17:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <032901c222ac$f11e9db0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <196.93aebb9.2a541453@aol.com> Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 questions Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:16:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > 2) In Sampler, how does the "Rewind" work? Does it instantly jump to the > > loop beginning? Or does it play the loop in reverse? If so, does it play > > the loop at normal speed (in reverse)? > > it mutes the signal, and "winds the tape back" at about 4x normal speed. > (you can see the timing LEDS count down) > If you release Rewind before you get back to the start of the loop, > then replay starts at that position. > If you rewind to the start of the loop, and keep holding, then replay will > start from the beginning. Hmmmm, another question occurs to me... Do the timing LEDs count up during playback? And are they subsequently cleared at the start of the loop? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 12:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29759; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c222b0$0db74be0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <196.93aebb9.2a541453@aol.com> <032901c222ac$f11e9db0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 questions Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:38:24 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 17:16 PM Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 questions > > > 2) In Sampler, how does the "Rewind" work? Does it instantly jump to > the > > > loop beginning? Or does it play the loop in reverse? If so, does it > play > > > the loop at normal speed (in reverse)? > > > > it mutes the signal, and "winds the tape back" at about 4x normal speed. > > (you can see the timing LEDS count down) > > If you release Rewind before you get back to the start of the loop, > > then replay starts at that position. > > If you rewind to the start of the loop, and keep holding, then replay will > > start from the beginning. > > Hmmmm, another question occurs to me... > > Do the timing LEDs count up during playback? And are they subsequently > cleared at the start of the loop? Yes, it's the only way to tell where it is in the loop: * * * * * x x x x x The vertical LEDs do the point-by-point count. The horizontal ones signify each level of count done by the vertical LEDs. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 12:58:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31747; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:57:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:57:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031257.AA163316002@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: somebody update the website... X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wonder if they'll finally publish their proprietary file formats so that we can do some shareware tools for it, and make it easier to move files back and forth from the computer to the unit. Sad, really. I love my repeater (and Filter Factory and MoFX)... Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 12:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31868; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:58:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:58:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020703165731.28885.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: somebody update the website... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com get em while you still can! as far as i'm concerned, the repeater is still the best available looping tool on the mkt (depending on your needs ofcourse)...and i wouldn't be surprised to see their prices start to skyrocket as is the case with most of the older, no longer made amazing pieces of gear from yester-year. speaking of which, anybody have one of those vintage hot pink ibanez delay pedals that they want to part with at a reasonable price? still repeating... e va n|s sa b --- Skip wrote: > Repeater's no longer a 'current' looper. > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > right after i bought one too...fancy the luck. > > > i like it (and still glad i bought it- thank you > Guitar Center credit gods), > but i was hoping for a version update soon. it's OS > is still young and > there's a lot of room for improvement. > > > anybody wanna sell a cheap EDP? > > -12 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 13:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01397; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:06:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:05:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031305.AA581304514@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: DL4 vs. Line6 Echo Pro X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I never really thought that the DL4 was made poorly. I got one right after it came out, and it's been in my gig setup ever since. I haven't dropped it off a stage onto a cement floor or anything, but I've never had a problem with it. It's got a couple scratches, but it seems built like a tank. The pro unit has a couple interesting extra features: Midi Sync, BPM calculations, longer looper... I guess it depends which features are important to you. I thought about getting one when it came out, but I was bummed that it didn't have S/PDIF out (or in), unlike their PodPros and the soon to be sadly missed Repeater. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 13:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04832; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:37:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:37:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D233653.91AEB85D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:37:22 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: somebody update the website... References: <20020703165731.28885.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, where was your vote for the Repeater in the EDP vs Repeater thread? Evan Meyers wrote: > get em while you still can! as far as i'm concerned, > the repeater is still the best available looping tool > on the mkt (depending on your needs ofcourse)...and i From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 13:42:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05131; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D23371C.1F264338@bagend.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:40:44 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise References: <05CC4B5B-8E9D-11D6-9D4D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sure am glad I got mine last month. Also got a Warp Factory (which I haven't even tried yet), a Filter Queen, and a Filter Factory, both of which I love. I watched the company tease us with the Repeater at the NAMM show for maybe 3 years before it became available. Remember that wooden mock-up? All the Electrix products were met with great interest at the shows. The last time they exhibited was winter 2001 in Anaheim. They had a working Repeater demo/one man band that was very effective. Maybe that was one of you folks. Making the OS open source sounds like a great idea. Even (especially) if they intend to sell the hardware production off to another manufacturer. Electrix: do it before you sell the hardware. Could be good incentive for your potential buyer. OTOH I have no idea how many were ever produced. Any clues? Maybe not enough. shucks. -Henry Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > I saw that coming like a freight train. (Mark lowers flag to half mast) > I can't help feeling they totally dropped the ball. I remember a bunch > of us offering to go to local music shops all over the world to do > demos, and the offer was ignored. Why? When your customers are > offering free help for your marketing and you turn them down, you don't > deserve to be in business. Still, the Repeater was an amazing beast. > To have a looper as the sole product of a decent sized company is > suicide though, IMO. There's just not enough public awareness, or > demand. I knew it was only a matter of time. > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 05:01 AM, Butch wrote: > > > A piss-poor mistake to discontinue it, IMHO. Look at all the work that > > went > > into creating it. There's gotta be a better way. > > > > 'gards, Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Tidwell" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:38 AM > > Subject: Re: somebody update the website... > > awearness From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 13:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05707; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:47:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: Request! (was RE: somebody update the website...) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:47:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200207031257.AA163316002@mail.unitcircle.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, who has contact information for the folks at Electrix? I'm going to attempt to find someone who is willing to share their file format spec, at least partially so I can integrate it with my little Repeater software app. I doubt we'll get their proprietary pitch shifting algorithms since they're still of value to their parent company, but the file format can't sensibly be of value to the mother ship, can it? It would definitely help us out in the community. If you know of anyone who I should talk, please let me know! Feel free to write me off-list... Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Goldsmith [mailto:kevin@unitcircle.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:57 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: somebody update the website... > > > Wonder if they'll finally publish their proprietary file formats > so that we can do some shareware tools for it, and make it easier > to move files back and forth from the computer to the unit. > > Sad, really. I love my repeater (and Filter Factory and MoFX)... > > Kevin > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 14:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08911; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:07:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:07:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D233D2C.D06E9ABC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:06:37 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: DL4 vs. Line6 Echo Pro References: <200207031338.AA1169817654@mail.unitcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a lie. A bold faced lie. What they mean is it will set it's delay time to the midi clock. Synching a loop to a MIDI clock is a totally different story. This was a thread a while ago, when it first came out. I was very excited before I found out that you can't synch loops via MIDI. You just can't, unless they've since added this feature. Mark Sottilaro Kevin Goldsmith wrote: > I got that from their web page: > > STUDIO MODELER FEATURES: > 24-bit processing and A/D/A conversion > 99 User definable programs > MIDI Clock Sync > . > . > . > > Kevin > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Mark Sottilaro > Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:34:35 -0700 > > >The Echo Pro *DOES NOT SYNCH TO MIDI* It can derive delay time from a MIDI clock, but it won't truly synch to midi. If it did, I'd own one for sure. As far as I know, only the EDP, Repeater, and JamMan will do this. > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >Kevin Goldsmith wrote: > > > >> The pro unit has a couple interesting extra features: Midi Sync, BPM calculations, longer looper... I > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 14:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11009; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:22:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:21:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031421.AA211157274@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Request! (was RE: somebody update the website...) X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Ok, who has contact information for the folks at Electrix? I'm going to >attempt to find someone who is willing to share their file format spec, at >least partially so I can integrate it with my little Repeater software app. > I just tried sending mail to Support there, but I know there were some Electrix people on the list. Jamie? Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 14:41:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12834; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:40:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:40:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:42:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-169906308 Subject: more electrix From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <9EEA4E54-8EB4-11D6-8BD5-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-169906308 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ironically (or maybe not) i got an email from them yesterday. i had asked them why their store was "sold out" of repeaters and i got an email from lisa tyner saying that they were still available and (i thought) implying that nothing was wrong. when i sent another email to them asking if they were still manufacturing them i got no response. we all saw it coming but it still makes me sad. i'm curious as too how many they sold... monk Ok, who has contact information for the folks at Electrix? I'm going to attempt to find someone who is willing to share their file format spec, at least partially so I can integrate it with my little Repeater software app. I just tried sending mail to Support there, but I know there were some Electrix people on the list. Jamie? monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com --Apple-Mail-4-169906308 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII ironically (or maybe not) i got an email from them yesterday. i had asked them why their store was "sold out" of repeaters and i got an email from lisa tyner saying that they were still available and (i thought) implying that nothing was wrong. when i sent another email to them asking if they were still manufacturing them i got no response. we all saw it coming but it still makes me sad. i'm curious as too how many they sold... monk 0000,0000,DEDEOk, who has contact information for the folks at Electrix? I'm going to attempt to find someone who is willing to share their file format spec, at least partially so I can integrate it with my little Repeater software app. I just tried sending mail to Support there, but I know there were some Electrix people on the list. Jamie? monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com --Apple-Mail-4-169906308-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 14:46:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13396; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:45:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:45:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <036601c222c1$ac360890$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200207031338.AA1169817654@mail.unitcircle.com> <3D233D2C.D06E9ABC@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: DL4 vs. Line6 Echo Pro Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:44:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The Echo Pro *DOES NOT SYNCH TO MIDI* It can derive delay time from a MIDI > clock, but it won't truly synch to midi. If it did, I'd own one for sure. As far as I know, > only the EDP, Repeater, and JamMan will do this. Yes, I thought this was an odd omission for the Echo Pro. Sort of a half-way MIDI impl. BTW: For the record, the LCK/Kyma fully syncs to MIDI so count it among the EDP, Repeater, and Jamman. And since I'm talking about it, you can easily change the DL4, Boomerang, etc, models to make them fully MIDI-able too, if you've ever wondered what that would be like. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 14:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13203; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:43:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:43:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:44:24 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c222ca$0993bb10$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: <20020703165731.28885.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: somebody update the website... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <13_R1.A.-ND.RX0I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Better hurry. I'm cornering the market BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: Re: somebody update the website... > get em while you still can! as far as i'm concerned, > the repeater is still the best available looping tool > on the mkt (depending on your needs ofcourse)...and i > wouldn't be surprised to see their prices start to > skyrocket as is the case with most of the older, no > longer made amazing pieces of gear from yester-year. > > speaking of which, anybody have one of those vintage > hot pink ibanez delay pedals that they want to part > with at a reasonable price? > > still repeating... > e va n|s sa b > > > --- Skip wrote: > > Repeater's no longer a 'current' looper. > > > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > > > right after i bought one too...fancy the luck. > > > > > > i like it (and still glad i bought it- thank you > > Guitar Center credit gods), > > but i was hoping for a version update soon. it's OS > > is still young and > > there's a lot of room for improvement. > > > > > > anybody wanna sell a cheap EDP? > > > > -12 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 15:22:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17944; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:19:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:19:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3D234E67.310DFA37@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:20:07 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: BSP: Armatronix & DJ Greenuts @ Sweet Springs Friday July 5th References: <001b01c21e47$1741e160$a27ba8c0@charterpipeline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: armatronix@charter.net From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Kevin Menton , Funky@ernieball.com, Greg Wuller , Miles Brown , Daniel Henderson , Keith Kurczewski , Jay Russki , Jagjit Chadha , Nathan Korman , Commissioner , Nathan Daly , Alison Rule , Daniel Seymour , Shane Stoneman , Johnee Ganga , Catharsis , Greg Stahler , Brian Skinner , Mark Diel , Loopers Delight , Zachary Stowasser , Ryan McLain , ccraves , Ben Korman , cory paul , Ali Brown , Robert Batty , Crystal Taub , DJ semaJ , Chris Peck , Nicole Kissam , Joel , Dan Ernst , Zachary Park , Armatronix , Kristen Ruskey Resent-Message-ID: <9wOcyB.A.mXE.140I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody- Armatronix and DJ Greenuts will be playing at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos, California this Friday night, July 5th 2002. The show will begin promptly at 9:30 and go until 1:30 or so. This show is for those 21 and over only, and there is a $3 cover. Once again, the kind folks at Red Bull are nice enough to sponsor your drinking habit with free Red Bull mixers (while it lasts). If you don't drink, we'll still hook you up. Take care, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 16:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28641; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:57:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:57:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:57:17 -0400 Subject: EDP rebooting problem From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207031922.PAA18171@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3108560239_4947271" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3108560239_4947271 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have two Echoplexi. I just upgraded both of them to loop IV without a problem. A week later one of them, the older of the two (they are slaved for stereo use) keeps rebooting itself. Has anyone else seen this problem. I have a bad feeling it needs to be sent in for repair. kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik) --B_3108560239_4947271 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable EDP rebooting problem I have two Echoplexi. I just upgraded both of them = to loop IV without a problem. A week later one of them, the older of the two= (they are slaved for stereo use) keeps rebooting itself. Has anyone else se= en this problem. I have a bad feeling it needs to be sent in for repair.

kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik) --B_3108560239_4947271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 17:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30094; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:00:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:00:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c222d4$a3dbd720$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP rebooting problem Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:00:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C22299.F625AC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_micR.A.xVH.uX2I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C22299.F625AC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP rebooting problemTry re-seating the EPROMS- my EDP was very unruly = at one point and re-seating the chips solved the probs I was having. Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kenn lowy=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: EDP rebooting problem I have two Echoplexi. I just upgraded both of them to loop IV without = a problem. A week later one of them, the older of the two (they are = slaved for stereo use) keeps rebooting itself. Has anyone else seen this = problem. I have a bad feeling it needs to be sent in for repair. kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C22299.F625AC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP rebooting problem
Try re-seating the EPROMS- my EDP was very unruly at = one point=20 and re-seating the chips solved the probs I was having.
 
Cliff
 
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I have two Echoplexi. I just = upgraded=20 both of them to loop IV without a problem. A week later one of them, = the older=20 of the two (they are slaved for stereo use) keeps rebooting itself. = Has anyone=20 else seen this problem. I have a bad feeling it needs to be sent in = for=20 repair.

kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C22299.F625AC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 17:31:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32708; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D236BFA.6060506@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:26:18 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more electrix References: <9EEA4E54-8EB4-11D6-8BD5-000393073870@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > we all saw it coming but it still makes me sad. i'm curious as too how > many they sold... When I bought my Repeater from Alto music, I told the sale person that there had been a price quoted on this list and wondered how to go about getting that price. He told me to just go to the website and order since they had changed the price on the site to the super secret special Loopers Delight price ($469) since the only people they were selling them to were from this list. I think I saw them for $449 in the musician's friend catalog a few weeks back. Wonder if we'll see a $100 Repeater blowout? Kevin C. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 17:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00599; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:38:24 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: more electrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00db01c222d9$f59ab680$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9EEA4E54-8EB4-11D6-8BD5-000393073870@fuse.net> <3D236BFA.6060506@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > I think I saw them for $449 in the musician's friend catalog a few weeks > back. Wonder if we'll see a $100 Repeater blowout? I'd buy one! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 17:52:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01892; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more electrix In-Reply-To: <00db01c222d9$f59ab680$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3UlzO.A.Oc.nG3I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > > I think I saw them for $449 in the musician's friend catalog a few weeks > > back. Wonder if we'll see a $100 Repeater blowout? > I'd buy one! At $100 I'd divert money from my existing "saving-for-specific -stuff-I-promised -I'd-buy-next" fund and get a spare Repeater for backup purposes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 18:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05015; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:17:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:17:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DSDALY@aol.com Message-ID: <38.2a53d350.2a54d1ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:16:14 EDT Subject: Re: more electrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.2a53d350.2a54d1ae_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: <_HOPLB.A.jNB.Sf3I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_38.2a53d350.2a54d1ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2002 5:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kevin@minds-eye.org writes: > I think I saw them for $449 in the musician's friend catalog a few weeks > back. Wonder if we'll see a $100 Repeater blowout? > > Kevin C. > The Musicians Friend REPEATERS have the old 1.0 OS. FYI --part1_38.2a53d350.2a54d1ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2002 5:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kevin@minds-eye.org writes:


I think I saw them for $449 in the musician's friend catalog a few weeks
back.  Wonder if we'll see a $100 Repeater blowout?

Kevin C.


The Musicians Friend REPEATERS have the old 1.0 OS. FYI --part1_38.2a53d350.2a54d1ae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 19:34:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11006; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D238963.BDA73CAA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:31:48 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more electrix References: <38.2a53d350.2a54d1ae@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't hold your breath on $100 Repeaters. That special was just Electrix trying to raise funds to pay their programmers so the Repeater could get out the door. As for the OS, it's so easy to update. You can get the USB card readers for about $30, which you'll want anyway. Mark DSDALY@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/3/2002 5:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kevin@minds-eye.org writes: > > > >> I think I saw them for $449 in the musician's friend catalog a few >> weeks >> back. Wonder if we'll see a $100 Repeater blowout? >> >> Kevin C. > > The Musicians Friend REPEATERS have the old 1.0 OS. FYI From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 19:46:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12408; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:46:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:46:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <19b.4b636ca.2a54e687@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:45:11 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, >I saw that coming like a freight train. (Mark lowers flag to half mast) >I can't help feeling they totally dropped the ball. while your hindsight (and probably foresight, too) is/are estimable, electrix did not really 'drop the ball'; i believe that it's quite a bit more complicated than that, what w/the involvement of parent companies and all..... >I remember a bunch >of us offering to go to local music shops all over the world to do >demos, and the offer was ignored. Why? When your customers are >offering free help for your marketing and you turn them down, you don't >deserve to be in business. well..... that's a bit harsh. >Still, the Repeater was an amazing beast. it's *still* fun and useful, here. >To have a looper as the sole product of a decent sized company is >suicide though, IMO. in that, i hope you'll be proven wrong, one day. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 19:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13073; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:52:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:52:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:51:32 EDT Subject: Re: somebody update the website... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes: >get em while you still can! as far as i'm concerned, >the repeater is still the best available looping tool >on the mkt (depending on your needs ofcourse)... no, not the best: different, extremely useful, and clearly unfinished..... if (in some nightmare-world) i were forced to choose between the edp-loop4 and the repeater -(and, thankfully, i don't)-, i would choose the edp-loop4. >and i >wouldn't be surprised to see their prices start to >skyrocket as is the case with most of the older, no >longer made amazing pieces of gear from yester-year. ..... seems likely to me, too..... at least, eventually, but..... i ain't selling mine. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 20:18:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16017; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:17:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:17:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207032017.AA732430380@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Repeater File Formats response from Electrix X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Lisa Tyner Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:03:43 -0700 Kevin, Thanks for the support. I apologize for not following through on that promise, it must have got pushed aside. We are planning on making the file formats available to the public but it won't be for a few months. All the Repeater engineers are tied up until the end of the month at least. I'll post the code on our website when it's available. Cheers, Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Goldsmith [mailto:kevin@unitcircle.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:42 AM To: support@electrixpro.com Subject: file format on Card? hey, when I first got a repeater, I sent mail asking if I could get the file formats that you guys use on the CFC so that I could write a program to help me move my WAV files into the repeater from the computer. You told me that you were comming out with your own, so that you weren't making that info public... Given your recent sad announcement, I was wondering if you'll be making those formats public now? Kevin P.S. I'm really bummed, I love my repeater and Filter Factory and MoFX, you guys were killed in your prime! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 20:23:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16442; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:22:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:22:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D23953C.A6DBF013@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:22:20 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise References: <19b.4b636ca.2a54e687@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > did not really 'drop the ball'; i believe that it's quite a bit more > complicated than that, what w/the involvement of parent companies and all..... Oh, believe me, I know that there were a lot of talented people at Electrix, and they did a great job at creating the looper that I chose as my main looper. I don't know if it was the parent company (IVL) or upper managment at Electrix, but there was a constant flow of missinformation coming out of that company. > >I remember a bunch > >of us offering to go to local music shops all over the world to do > >demos, and the offer was ignored. Why? When your customers are > >offering free help for your marketing and you turn them down, you don't > >deserve to be in business. > well..... > that's a bit harsh. But is it harsh? This product meant a lot to me, as it did a lot of us. All of us, for that matter, even the ones that did not choose it. Another successful looper on the market is good for all of us. No doubt. I see the crap that happens in my company, and others that I've worked for. Upper managment making uninformed and arbitary desicions about things mostly based on their hubris. Rather than defer to someone who knows what's going on, they'll spit something out and then let the engineering dept clean up the mess. My motto here is, "Don't puke on me then tell me I stink." The short story is Elextrix didn't get the word out, for no good reason. > >Still, the Repeater was an amazing beast. > it's *still* fun and useful, here. Oh, don't get me wrong, I have no plans to ditch my Repeater. It's a great little box, and until it dies it will probably have a space in my rack. > >To have a looper as the sole product of a decent sized company is > >suicide though, IMO. > in that, i hope you'll be proven wrong, one day. > best, > dt / splattercell Amen to that brother. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 20:31:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17321; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:30:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "marcus rojo" To: Subject: RE: more electrix Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:41:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c222f3$7a4477e0$c4322304@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <3D238963.BDA73CAA@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <84Eqw.A.NOE.wc5I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got my Repeater last week to find out the next day or something about them discontinuing. Ever wonder what last guys to get on the Titanic felt like? Maybe it isn't all that bad but maybe one of you could clarify some confusion I have. My repeater came with the 01.1 OS on it. I read a review in Keyboard magazine that talked about a few gliches with midi-sync that were cleared up in the 01.2 OS which the author said should be out by the time the article was published. I went online to the Repeater site and saw nothing about the new OS. Does this discontuance mean that will never come out and what will be the future status of OS for the Repeater. I am not a techie by any stretch of the imagination so please bear with me. I read the previous message talking about the company making the file system public. Will that have any bearing on OS being refined in the future and made available for download over the internet. Thanks, Marcus -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more electrix Don't hold your breath on $100 Repeaters. That special was just Electrix trying to raise funds to pay their programmers so the Repeater could get out the door. As for the OS, it's so easy to update. You can get the USB card readers for about $30, which you'll want anyway. Mark DSDALY@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/3/2002 5:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kevin@minds-eye.org writes: > > > >> I think I saw them for $449 in the musician's friend catalog a few >> weeks >> back. Wonder if we'll see a $100 Repeater blowout? >> >> Kevin C. > > The Musicians Friend REPEATERS have the old 1.0 OS. FYI From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 21:08:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21190; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703180330.00b6c180@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:06:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: EDP rebooting problem In-Reply-To: <004501c222d4$a3dbd720$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine was doing that too. Be very careful when removing the chips - it's easy to bend/break the pins! -Hans At 14:00 03/07/2002, you wrote: >Try re-seating the EPROMS- my EDP was very unruly at one point and >re-seating the chips solved the probs I was having. > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: kenn lowy >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:57 PM >Subject: EDP rebooting problem > >I have two Echoplexi. I just upgraded both of them to loop IV without a >problem. A week later one of them, the older of the two (they are slaved >for stereo use) keeps rebooting itself. Has anyone else seen this problem. >I have a bad feeling it needs to be sent in for repair. > >kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 21:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22032; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:17:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:17:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c222c6$086dae70$0ef8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <19b.4b636ca.2a54e687@aol.com> <3D23953C.A6DBF013@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:15:44 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as an edp user with no desire to get into the repeater, i'm nonetheless intrigued at this. so, let me assume that the manufacturers of higher-end loopers (edp and rptr for argument's sake) are marketing and selling to a relatively small group of dedicated buyers/users/afficianados. is it simply that gibson has the capital to back any losses they might incur as a result of product A or B and electrix doesn't/didn't? or is it marketing? history...since the edp has been around longer than the rptr? exclusively curious, -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 21:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22487; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:24:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c222f9$7440cc80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703180330.00b6c180@pop.charter.net> Subject: Re: EDP rebooting problem Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:23:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_B1-fC.A.HfF.2O6I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, Hans is right- I ruined a Jam Man upgrade chip this way- "It takes a steeeady haand!" C ----- Original Message ----- From: "armatronix" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: Re: EDP rebooting problem > Mine was doing that too. Be very careful when removing the chips - it's > easy to bend/break the pins! > > -Hans > > > At 14:00 03/07/2002, you wrote: > >Try re-seating the EPROMS- my EDP was very unruly at one point and > >re-seating the chips solved the probs I was having. > > > >Cliff > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: kenn lowy > >To: > >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight .com > > > >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:57 PM > >Subject: EDP rebooting problem > > > >I have two Echoplexi. I just upgraded both of them to loop IV without a > >problem. A week later one of them, the older of the two (they are slaved > >for stereo use) keeps rebooting itself. Has anyone else seen this problem. > >I have a bad feeling it needs to be sent in for repair. > > > >kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 21:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23092; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703182733.00b6be48@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:32:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: EDP rebooting problem In-Reply-To: <001701c222f9$7440cc80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703180330.00b6c180@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8AbiE.A.WoF.8W6I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would recommend going down to Radio Shack or some other electronics shop and getting a tool that's specially made for pulling chips. With a couple of those chips, there's not really any room to get in there with a screwdriver, and you won't be able to pull them with your fingertips (I tried - once). -Hans At 18:23 03/07/2002, you wrote: >Yeah, Hans is right- I ruined a Jam Man upgrade chip this way- "It takes a >steeeady haand!" > >C > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "armatronix" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:06 PM >Subject: Re: EDP rebooting problem > > > > Mine was doing that too. Be very careful when removing the chips - it's > > easy to bend/break the pins! > > > > -Hans > > > > > > At 14:00 03/07/2002, you wrote: > > >Try re-seating the EPROMS- my EDP was very unruly at one point and > > >re-seating the chips solved the probs I was having. > > > > > >Cliff > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: kenn lowy > > >To: > > > >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight >.com > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:57 PM > > >Subject: EDP rebooting problem > > > > > >I have two Echoplexi. I just upgraded both of them to loop IV without a > > >problem. A week later one of them, the older of the two (they are slaved > > >for stereo use) keeps rebooting itself. Has anyone else seen this >problem. > > >I have a bad feeling it needs to be sent in for repair. > > > > > >kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik) > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 22:13:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26748; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:10:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:10:37 -0700 Subject: JamMan FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001001c222f3$7a4477e0$c4322304@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Message-Id: <3B32C9D8-8EF3-11D6-897B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Kids. JamMan with 32 sec upgrade foot switch and and Rolls MIDI Wizard controller for sale. JamMan in good shape, but there's some scratches from rack mounting, and it had locking screws that ended up getting stripped when I put the upgrade in. Works perfectly. $350 firm. Buyer pays shipping and insurance. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 23:15:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32509; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:14:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.dd9070d.2a551733@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:12:51 EDT Subject: Re: more electrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com marcus, re: the below: why dontcha just ask the peeps at electrix? best, dt / s-c >Does this discontuance mean that will never come out and what will be the > >future status of OS for the Repeater. I am not a techie by any stretch >of > >the imagination so please bear with me. I read the previous message talking > >about the company making the file system public. Will that have any bearing > >on OS being refined in the future and made available for download over >the > >internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 23:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32212; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:12:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.a27dbad.2a5516d2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:11:14 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, we exchanged thusly: >> did not really 'drop the ball'; i believe that it's quite a bit more >> complicated than that, what w/the involvement of parent companies and >all..... >Oh, believe me, I know that there were a lot of talented people at Electrix, >and >they did a great job at creating the looper that I chose as my main looper. > I >don't know if it was the parent company (IVL) or upper managment at Electrix, >but >there was a constant flow of missinformation coming out of that company. right. am i mistaken, or..... doesn't (?didn't?) the parent-company-hierarchy there somehow flow thusly: electrix/ivl design/ivl/digitech/harman? and, repeater's development certainly required way more man-hours than they'd been prepared for..... it seemed that, well --- once the repeater design team management split (ie, damon langlois & darrell smith), that spelled the *middle* of the end..... anyway, maybe they'll sell the product to roland or some such who, btw, probably won't listen to us-all. >> >I remember a bunch >> >of us offering to go to local music shops all over the world to do >> >demos, and the offer was ignored. Why? When your customers are >> >offering free help for your marketing and you turn them down, you don't >> >deserve to be in business. >> well..... >> that's a bit harsh. >But is it harsh? yeah, it's harsh. there were/are good people, there, who spit blood, money and sleepless months on that thang. relatively speaking, there was some awesome *intention* in that project & buncha people..... it just went deeply awry, for reasons upon which we can only speculate. >This product meant a lot to me, as it did a lot of us. > All of >us, for that matter, even the ones that did not choose it. Another successful >looper on the market is good for all of us. No doubt. yes. total agreement on that. i felt strongly (and tried to express myself, in that regard, in this forum and others) that any dedicated loopist might wanna make a concerted effort to buy a repeater, not only to gain some new techno-musical capabilities, but also to invigorate the long-lost loop-device 'competition'. (silly me, eh? pragmatism obviated by altruism..... the self-serving kind, of course!) *-) indeed, i feel *exactly* the same way about the EDP. i kinda figure that if folks're truly *serious* about loop-tools, they'd see that --- in this incredibly small niche --- we (users) can't have real development of evolving tools w/o supporting those developers, *somehow*..... and money should oughta seem to do that. i watched lexicon cancel the pcm 42, put the jamman to bed w/o its supper and not implement looping-tech in the pcm80+ series. the edp? from oberheim to gibson-trace to nowhere and back to gibson, again, at least: hoping for the best, there! ye olde tc looper? gone. not interested. roland? not interested in development. there's the boomerang, which does have some features, though they're not particularly forward-looking, but: it works, it's fun, it does some tricks. there are a slew of old-school delay type loopers around, both old and new, but..... that doesn't interest *me*, too much. anyway, i'm just babbling pointlessly, now: a long month, it's been..... >I see the crap >that >happens in my company, and others that I've worked for. Upper managment >making >uninformed and arbitary desicions about things mostly based on their hubris. >Rather than defer to someone who knows what's going on, they'll spit something >out and then let the engineering dept clean up the mess. My motto here >is, >"Don't puke on me then tell me I stink." The short story is Elextrix didn't >get >the word out, for no good reason. certainly, the word was out..... but the product came so late that consumers doubted its stability, lost their excitable 'impulse'-to-buy, and: in fact: the final release was somewhat less substantial & capable than it might have been. >> >Still, the Repeater was an amazing beast. >> it's *still* fun and useful, here. > >Oh, don't get me wrong, I have no plans to ditch my Repeater. It's a great >little box, and until it dies it will probably have a space in my rack. i dig ya; i'm very lucky, in that i have 2.5 of them: no shortage of looping devices, here! anyway, dude: what a world, eh? *-() best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 23:22:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00959; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:21:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:21:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Repeater's Demise Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:20:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <007401c222c6$086dae70$0ef8c440@g0wn7> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > is it simply that gibson has the capital to back any losses they > might incur > as a result of product A or B and electrix doesn't/didn't? or is it > marketing? history...since the edp has been around longer than the rptr? i don't think so, i think it has more to do with electrix themselves. if you've been following their history, you know that there's been funny stuff going on behind the scenes for pretty much their entire lifespan. i don't think anyone knows exactly what has happened inside the company. i mean, they had/have very decent products that people were excited about... they got at least half of it right... so it must be the other half that was screwy. > exclusively curious, > > -jim likewise, paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 23:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01826; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:29:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:29:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020703203105.00adee60@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:31:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise In-Reply-To: <18e.a27dbad.2a5516d2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That .5 being the result of some sort of industrial accident? At 08:11 PM 2002/07/03, dt wrote: > >Oh, don't get me wrong, I have no plans to ditch my Repeater. It's a great > >little box, and until it dies it will probably have a space in my rack. >i dig ya; i'm very lucky, in that i have 2.5 of them: >no shortage of looping devices, here! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 3 23:53:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03522; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:51:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:51:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:54:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19b.4b636ca.2a54e687@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/3/02 4:45 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >> To have a looper as the sole product of a decent sized company is >> suicide though, IMO. > in that, i hope you'll be proven wrong, one day. It would be interesting to know how big the looping community is relative to the size of this list. It's certainly somewhat bigger since as far as I know RF isn't on this list. On the other hand, it isn't necessarily a lot bigger -- witness the report regarding Alto's sales of the Repeater. I suspect that Electrix was in a better position selling their earlier effects modules. As the results of the blow out indicated, their problem if anything on those was probably just having the wrong price point. I know I love my FilterQueen, EQ Killer, and MoFX and wish that I'd been more aggressive about grabbing some of the others. On the other hand, I spent several months before getting them mulling over whether or not to do so because the price point kept it from being an impulse buy. So, the blow out did a great job of getting things moving but it probably also sabotaged their ability to bring the products back at a sustainable price point if they had wanted to. Line6 probably does well with the DL4 in spite of the looper not because of it. Okay. There isn't really a downside for them in including the looper, but I suspect that the vast majority of the units they sell are on the basis of the echo effects not the looper. That may lead people who buy the pedal into looping, but it isn't the selling point. Gibson can sustain the EDP because at this point it's mostly a matter of doing a production run every so often and selling them through their existing channels. I would be surprised if they have even one person dedicated to nothing but the EDP. (That being said, it would be good for them to continue seeing sales.) Matthias and Kim have done wonderful things as Aurisis Research, but I doubt that either of them would want to depend on it to keep them fed and sheltered. Running a company isn't cheap -- particularly if you build hardware and have to worry about inventory, shipping to dealers, etc.. There's a certain amount that's basically minimal fixed cost. Furthermore, if you have employees as opposed to someone just doing work on the side or on a consulting basis, you've now got additional ongoing expenses. So, Electrix abandoned their somewhat broader market to build a cool product for a niche market. Furthermore, it's a harder market to explain to people so it's prone to remaining more or less a niche. They also priced their product quite competively all things considered. At the same time, while the product offered many cool, unique features, it had flaws -- specifically with respect to creating drone loops -- that interfered with selling it to a significant subsegment of the niche. Result: Not a sustainable business model. Sad because while I can't comment on the Repeater's software, I do know that Electrix built nice hardware. I've certainly been tempted to get one to complement my EDPs. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 00:03:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05670; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:02:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20020703205012.039c4320@evenfall.com> X-Sender: web732f3@evenfall.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:01:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christopher MacDonald Subject: Re: more electrix In-Reply-To: <38.2a53d350.2a54d1ae@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9GgLlD.A.yXB.1i8I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:16 PM 7/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/3/2002 5:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >kevin@minds-eye.org writes: > > >>I think I saw them for $449 in the musician's friend catalog a few weeks >>back. Wonder if we'll see a $100 Repeater blowout? >> >>Kevin C. > > >The Musicians Friend REPEATERS have the old 1.0 OS. FYI Hmm, mine came with 1.1 in it, but I purchased it fairly recently from MF. Maybe they ran through all their stock of 1.0's. Pretty easy to upgrade anyway. I was going to return mine after experiencing the loop-end-overdub glitch and deciding I couldn't really do ambient stuff with it, but I guess I'll keep it now. A great product though, to be sure. I emailed Lisa at Electrix about the possibility of releasing the source code. She said it wouldn't be released due to proprietary information contained in it. -Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 01:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14087; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:30:50 +0200 Subject: Looper cencus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3346C1C9-8F0F-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 05:54 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > It would be interesting to know how big the looping community is > relative to > the size of this list Its growing by the day.... :) I think that loopers influence other people into becoming loopers. Just over the past 2 months or so, I've persuaded two people to purchase DL4's, and another to get a Repeater (damn, I still have not told him the news). The freedom that live looping gives to a musician, as you know, is amazing. Its like a drug, and highly addictive. Once tried, it is very hard to give it up. Bear in mind that up until recently, the looping community has been relatively small, simply due to the price of the specialist hardware needed (tape loopers, EDP's, Repeaters etc). But we are seeing a lot of low-budget equipment (Boss/Line6), and also software (Live) hit the stores. Even sequencing software (FruityLoops/Reason) is looping - and just imagine how many people use those.... Just out of interest, how many people are actually registered to this list? Anyone have access to this info? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 02:47:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21478; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.220.191.165] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: JamMan FS Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:48:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.1700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C222FC.E0062FC0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 06:45:34.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[6618DCB0:01C22326] Resent-Message-ID: <0hTOgB.A.EPF.t8-I9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C222FC.E0062FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, I'm interested. Please email me privately at jonathanyandel@msn.com. in= fo on the MIDI controller would be nice, too. best, jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:11 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JamMan FS Hey Kids. JamMan with 32 sec upgrade foot switch and and Rolls MIDI Wizard =20 controller for sale. JamMan in good shape, but there's some scratches =20 from rack mounting, and it had locking screws that ended up getting =20 stripped when I put the upgrade in. Works perfectly. $350 firm. Buyer pays shipping and insurance. Mark SottilaroGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http:/= /explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C222FC.E0062FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C222FC.E0062FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 03:01:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24101; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:00:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:00:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:59:17 +0200 Subject: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703182733.00b6be48@pop.charter.net> Message-Id: <8ECB4527-8F1B-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I have just received an email from Lisa at Electrix, saying that the file format info for the Repeater will be hopefully made public, and posted on the website, but unfortunately, the code to the OS source code will never be made public due all the secret IVL proprietory (sic?) stuff..... I have a feeling that most of this is down to the pitch shifting algorithms (which I never use anyway). This is bad news for any continued development for the Repeater. So, my idea is this, to set up an online petition to ask IVL to release enough information about the Repeater hardware/BIOS so that developers can at least have a go at writing something for the unit. If this is to be done, it has to be done fast, as I have a feeling that the Electrix programmers will not stay around at IVL for long (if they are still there at all).... Anyone know what is the best way to go about this? Who to contact? How to set up the petition? Is it worth the time? Just an idea.... - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 03:21:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25740; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:17:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:17:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2232a$cc132300$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <8ECB4527-8F1B-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:16:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would prefer a petition to ask IVL to ship the Repeater again in a short time, even under another flag else than electrix. Heck, here in Italy arrived very few of them and at almost double the price (almost 1000$). Three months ago the shop I work into decided to order a pair of them and the importer told us that we had to wait 'till October, since they were waiting a shipping from electrix... Now it will never arrive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: Electrix/IVL petition > Hi all, > > I have just received an email from Lisa at Electrix, saying that the > file format info for the Repeater will be hopefully made public, and > posted on the website, but unfortunately, the code to the OS source code > will never be made public due all the secret IVL proprietory (sic?) > stuff..... I have a feeling that most of this is down to the pitch > shifting algorithms (which I never use anyway). > > This is bad news for any continued development for the Repeater. So, my > idea is this, to set up an online petition to ask IVL to release enough > information about the Repeater hardware/BIOS so that developers can at > least have a go at writing something for the unit. If this is to be > done, it has to be done fast, as I have a feeling that the Electrix > programmers will not stay around at IVL for long (if they are still > there at all).... > > Anyone know what is the best way to go about this? Who to contact? How > to set up the petition? > > Is it worth the time? > > Just an idea.... > > - Stu > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 04:07:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30528; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:05:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:05:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:05:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <18e.a27dbad.2a5516d2@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 08:11 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > there were/are good people, there, who spit blood, money and sleepless > months > on that thang. > relatively speaking, there was some awesome *intention* in that > project & > buncha people..... it just went deeply awry, for reasons upon which we > can > only speculate. Right. I know from experience that the best most talented people working on a project doesn't add up to anything, if somewhere up the line you get cut off. My main problem with Electrix has always been this: They lie. They ask all these questions, then start telling the public stuff when they should just shut their mouths. You have no option but to speculate. Oh well, again, I with the best for those that are loosing their jobs at this point. I have a lot of .com refugee friends that gave blood for companies that cut them loose with often no warning, while the CEOs were probably cashing in their stock options and buying homes. > oping devices, here! > anyway, dude: > what a world, eh? It is indeed. > *-() > best, > dt / splattercell > Same to you. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 04:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31180; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:12:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:11:39 +0200 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001301c2232a$cc132300$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The high European price was due to the fact that Electrix did not give European distributors any dealer prices (at least this was the case in April). I asked D&H to order a few Repeaters directly from Electrix, and they were basically told to order them directly from the Electrix store. Most dealers at 100% to cover their profit/taxes etc. etc. thus I have seen Repeaters over here for $1200!!!! I ended up ordering mine directly from Electrix, but had to pay 150$ import duty on top of the $650 :( Anyway, there is a fair amount of activity on the Electrix forums now, with quite a few good suggestions as to the continuance of the Repeater.... and I recognise quite a few names there from this list :) - Stuart On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 09:16 AM, Luigi Meloni wrote: > I would prefer a petition to ask IVL to ship the Repeater again in a > short > time, even under another flag else than electrix. > Heck, here in Italy arrived very few of them and at almost double the > price > (almost 1000$). Three months ago the shop I work into decided to order a > pair of them and the importer told us that we had to wait 'till October, > since they were waiting a shipping from electrix... Now it will never > arrive. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Wyatt" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 8:59 AM > Subject: Electrix/IVL petition > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 04:24:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA32465; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f101c22334$126b7920$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:21:34 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, Happy Independence Day anyway. I've got one observation about all this, it's not much, but I've seen parallels between the games market and the effects arena, based upon the posts on this newsgroup concerning effects/looping units and the companies that make them. In the games market, one can have the best-seller of all time, and then, in the motions to get the money for the sequel - a fairly guaranteed purchasing decision for many, depending on the game - it all goes to hell, and you never see the sequel, though there's lots of talk about it. Sometimes the company itself ceases to exist within a year. I expect that this is yet another reason why getting work in the sound design area for games is difficult at best. At the same time, though, perhaps they'll wise up to the idea of using consultants for such work, and make it possible for some of us to get some footholds there. It's just the volatility of the marketplace seems similar. Granted, if you work for a Gibson - a diversified company with more than one product - there's a lot more support in process for what might otherwise be an endangered product. What would it be like, for instance, if the EDP had been developed and maintained by a small firm? It'd either be scooped up by a larger company, or we'd be discussing it wistfully just like the EH 16-second delay. Those of us with firms producing such items would no doubt cast more light on this concept...? And, hey, does anyone else here play Quake III Arena, or its mods? Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 05:35:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06621; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 05:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 05:34:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D241709.2CD906C3@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 05:36:10 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater tricks References: <200207031922.PAA18177@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1rV1o.A.vmB.aaBJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too am bummed about Repeater going belly up. Guess this means the bug that crashes my 'peater when I try to copy from main memory to the CFC ain't gonna get fixed :( Anyway, has anyone tried syncing two repeaters in order to get an 8-track recorder? Is this feasible? If so, I'd be interested in hearing a bit about your setup ... Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 06:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13994; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:48:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:48:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #399 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200207011610.MAA29354@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200207011610.MAA29354@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:49:26 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <17Q4AP-19Hn5UC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've often wondered about that too, in regards to live performance. How > useful is stereo on stage? > > I can see the point in a small, intimate setting where the audience is > sitting in front of the speakers much as they would sit in front of their > stereo at home. But how could that work in a larger venue? Wouldn't a lot > of people only hear one channel or the other? Would the stereo effect be > totally lost for most of the audience? Or worse, actually harm the sound > for significant portions of the audience? > > Does the sound guy at a larger club even care if you give him a stereo > feed? Do they actually use it or just run it mono? > > And what about a dance club? Is stereo even used in that context? > > I'd be really interested to hear from people with experience with these > things. > > kim Sorry, I am way behind in the digest, so I don't know if this has been said already......I need a stereo setup on stage badly because I need separation of my main (usually rhythmic) loop and the lead/improvised parts. If everything goes through a mono amp my solo will be lost especially over a more massive, multi-layered background. Infact, I am using up to two smaller (Gibson 10-16W) and one midsized amp (Fender Bassman or Dynachord Bass King). Soundguys love stereo, it makes their job more important ;-) Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 06:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14639; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:55:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:55:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 06:49:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Message-ID: <67CB3634.41F0360E.006DDF79@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FWIW-Alto Music still has them available with 1.1 $449.99-for the list sales@altomusic.com I think there are 12 or so remaining We do also have EDP;s as well Thanks and Happy 4th From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 07:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19012; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:37:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:37:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <183.a90a3e9.2a558d5e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:37:02 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <8DHSuC.A.doE.BODJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sean_@mindspring.com writes: >That .5 being the result of some sort of industrial accident? exactly! dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 08:26:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24034; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:25:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <136.104856c9.2a559874@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:24:20 EDT Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stuart@solostring.com writes: >I have just received an email from Lisa at Electrix, saying that the >file format info for the Repeater will be hopefully made public, and >posted on the website, yes; it'd been posted, here, by someone. good for them! >but unfortunately, the code to the OS source code >will never be made public due all the secret IVL proprietory (sic?) >stuff..... I have a feeling that most of this is down to the pitch >shifting algorithms (which I never use anyway). i'm curious as to why not? i find it useful, sometimes, myself..... >This is bad news for any continued development for the Repeater. unless, of course, they've got a plan to sell the product -in toto- to another manufacturer. >So, my >idea is this, to set up an online petition to ask IVL to release enough >information about the Repeater hardware/BIOS so that developers can at >least have a go at writing something for the unit. >If this is to be >done, it has to be done fast, as I have a feeling that the Electrix >programmers will not stay around at IVL for long (if they are still >there at all).... >Anyone know what is the best way to go about this? Who to contact? >How >to set up the petition? >Is it worth the time? gonna think about this, for a minute..... thanks. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 10:20:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02540; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:19:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:19:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:24:21 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Looper cencus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012a01c22366$7d41dd20$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xfPYwdU+ZQRcUZ0Z3P+2cw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <162.102ef9df.2a55b28e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5mjCHB.A.Bn.klFJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_xfPYwdU+ZQRcUZ0Z3P+2cw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The Boss rc20 has 5 1/2 min. of looping time. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: DSDALY@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Looper cencus I just got interested in looping because my BOSS DD-5 delay has a 2 second looper and is a big tease. But when I got interested in getting a looper that works longer, the info is very confusing on what to buy and can get expensive. I know alot of guitar players that are excellent and would definitely loop, but the marketing of the subject is all wrong. I just bought the REPEATER knowing that it has been discontinued because of the good reviews and the fact I can run a fairly small FS300 stage pedal to operate the unit live. I also bought it to lay down tracks so I can solo over and get better. I know that it can do so much more, but I suppose I will learn through trial because I don't see a place where I can get alot of tips and tricks information. Guitar Looping seems to be kept a big secret and that's why more guitarists arent into it. If a company, say BOSS, came out with a small easy to use, reasonably priced (say $100-$150 range) stompbox looper that could give say 10-14 seconds of simple looping and went into the guitar magazines with well thought out ads proclaiming.. "SOMETHING NEW for all you guitarists out there" and maybe had some good sound files on there web site and a few tips to get going .. the whole looping thing could take off. At least that's how I see it. Don --Boundary_(ID_xfPYwdU+ZQRcUZ0Z3P+2cw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
The Boss rc20 has 5 1/2 min. of looping time.
 
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I just got interested in looping because my BOSS DD-5 delay has a 2 second looper and is a big tease. But when I got interested in getting a looper that works longer, the info is very confusing on what to buy and can get expensive. I know alot of guitar players that are excellent and would definitely loop, but the marketing of the subject is all wrong.

I just bought the REPEATER knowing that it has been discontinued because of the good reviews and the fact I can run a fairly small FS300 stage pedal to operate the unit live.

I also bought it to lay down tracks so I can solo over and get better.

I know that it can do so much more, but I suppose I will learn through trial because I don't see a place where I can get alot of tips and tricks information.

Guitar Looping seems to be kept a big secret and that's why more guitarists arent into it.

If a company, say BOSS, came out with a small easy to use, reasonably priced (say $100-$150 range) stompbox looper that could give say 10-14 seconds of simple looping and went into the guitar magazines with well thought out ads proclaiming.. "SOMETHING NEW for all you guitarists out there" and maybe had some good sound files on there web site and a few tips to get going .. the whole looping thing could take off.

At least that's how I see it.

Don
--Boundary_(ID_xfPYwdU+ZQRcUZ0Z3P+2cw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 10:24:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02274; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DSDALY@aol.com Message-ID: <162.102ef9df.2a55b28e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:15:42 EDT Subject: Re: Looper cencus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_162.102ef9df.2a55b28e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_162.102ef9df.2a55b28e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got interested in looping because my BOSS DD-5 delay has a 2 second looper and is a big tease. But when I got interested in getting a looper that works longer, the info is very confusing on what to buy and can get expensive. I know alot of guitar players that are excellent and would definitely loop, but the marketing of the subject is all wrong. I just bought the REPEATER knowing that it has been discontinued because of the good reviews and the fact I can run a fairly small FS300 stage pedal to operate the unit live. I also bought it to lay down tracks so I can solo over and get better. I know that it can do so much more, but I suppose I will learn through trial because I don't see a place where I can get alot of tips and tricks information. Guitar Looping seems to be kept a big secret and that's why more guitarists arent into it. If a company, say BOSS, came out with a small easy to use, reasonably priced (say $100-$150 range) stompbox looper that could give say 10-14 seconds of simple looping and went into the guitar magazines with well thought out ads proclaiming.. "SOMETHING NEW for all you guitarists out there" and maybe had some good sound files on there web site and a few tips to get going .. the whole looping thing could take off. At least that's how I see it. Don --part1_162.102ef9df.2a55b28e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got interested in looping because my BOSS DD-5 delay has a 2 second looper and is a big tease. But when I got interested in getting a looper that works longer, the info is very confusing on what to buy and can get expensive. I know alot of guitar players that are excellent and would definitely loop, but the marketing of the subject is all wrong.

I just bought the REPEATER knowing that it has been discontinued because of the good reviews and the fact I can run a fairly small FS300 stage pedal to operate the unit live.

I also bought it to lay down tracks so I can solo over and get better.

I know that it can do so much more, but I suppose I will learn through trial because I don't see a place where I can get alot of tips and tricks information.

Guitar Looping seems to be kept a big secret and that's why more guitarists arent into it.

If a company, say BOSS, came out with a small easy to use, reasonably priced (say $100-$150 range) stompbox looper that could give say 10-14 seconds of simple looping and went into the guitar magazines with well thought out ads proclaiming.. "SOMETHING NEW for all you guitarists out there" and maybe had some good sound files on there web site and a few tips to get going .. the whole looping thing could take off.

At least that's how I see it.

Don --part1_162.102ef9df.2a55b28e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 10:26:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03643; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:25:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DSDALY@aol.com Message-ID: <62.2210a7df.2a55b491@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:24:17 EDT Subject: Re: Looper cencus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_62.2210a7df.2a55b491_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: <6QLM6C.A.I4.zqFJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_62.2210a7df.2a55b491_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have bought the Boss RC20 but I hear it butchers your sound and has no true bypass on it. That was the pedal I wanted at first. --part1_62.2210a7df.2a55b491_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have bought the Boss RC20 but I hear it butchers your sound and has no true bypass on it. That was the pedal I wanted at first. --part1_62.2210a7df.2a55b491_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 10:33:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04221; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:37:04 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Looper cencus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01b801c22368$440d79e0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9IykoZPVN0W2SE3t70lwtA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <62.2210a7df.2a55b491@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_9IykoZPVN0W2SE3t70lwtA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Line 6 DL-4 * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: DSDALY@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Looper cencus I would have bought the Boss RC20 but I hear it butchers your sound and has no true bypass on it. That was the pedal I wanted at first. --Boundary_(ID_9IykoZPVN0W2SE3t70lwtA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Line 6 DL-4
 
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I would have bought the Boss RC20 but I hear it butchers your sound and has no true bypass on it. That was the pedal I wanted at first.
--Boundary_(ID_9IykoZPVN0W2SE3t70lwtA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 11:49:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11060; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:48:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00f101c22334$126b7920$0201a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: <78B67354-8F65-11D6-897B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to find out "what happened to Electrix" read the book "Vintage Synthesizers" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879306033/qid=1025797576/sr=1-1/ref= sr_1_1/104-7159374-2160702 it's a great look into small music tech companies. A very fun read. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 01:21 AM, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Well, Happy Independence Day anyway. > > I've got one observation about all this, it's not much, but I've seen > parallels between the games market and the effects arena, based upon the > posts on this newsgroup concerning effects/looping units and the > companies > that make them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 11:53:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11455; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:52:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater tricks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D241709.2CD906C3@cloud9.net> Message-Id: <0812547E-8F66-11D6-897B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think there may be issues unless you've got a third clock that they can both synch to. I've tried using the clock from my Repeater to drive the effects in the Mo-FX and the Lexicon MPX1, to no avail. There's a weird glitch that happens in the beginning of the loop. Another bug that may never get fixed. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 02:36 AM, Mountain Man wrote: > I too am bummed about Repeater going belly up. Guess this means the bug > that crashes my 'peater when I try to copy from main memory to the CFC > ain't gonna get fixed :( > > Anyway, has anyone tried syncing two repeaters in order to get an > 8-track recorder? Is this feasible? If so, I'd be interested in > hearing a bit about your setup ... > > Thanks, > Elby > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 13:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22605; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:54:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:54:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020704175402.21618.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #407 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207041420.KAA02705@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Hedewa7@aol.com > ye olde tc looper? gone. not interested. > roland? not interested in development. Speaking of which, anybody know anything about the new Roland MC-09 that's coming out soon? It seems almost like they mated a Repeater with one of their groove boxes. No guitar-friendly inputs, but it does have some cool features. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 13:58:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22486; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:21:58 +0200 Subject: Re: Looper cencus Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-251478763 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <162.102ef9df.2a55b28e@aol.com> Message-Id: <8BE31C26-8F72-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-251478763 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I just got interested in looping because my BOSS DD-5 delay has a 2 > second looper That is how I got into looping!!! Ah, I miss the DD5. If it weren't so overly expensive in todays digital age, I would purchase another one to replace the one that got stolen.... -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com --Apple-Mail-1-251478763 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII ArialI just got interested in looping because my BOSS DD-5 delay has a 2 second looper Arial That is how I got into looping!!! Ah, I miss the DD5. If it weren't so overly expensive in todays digital age, I would purchase another one to replace the one that got stolen.... -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com --Apple-Mail-1-251478763-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 15:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01412; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:45:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:45:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020704194536.74250.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207031313.JAA04737@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A common misconception... the DL-4 (and the other multi-coloured Line 6 stomp boxes) are not made with metal casings, they are plastic. I know of someone who *stomps* on them regularly and the button/switch broke through the case. They do a good job of making them look like metal however. I'm glad that Stuart finds these boxes to work well for him. On Harmony Central, you'll find a lot of varying opinions about the reliability of the Line 6 stomp boxes in general and the DL-4 in particular. Both mechanical and electronic. I have owned all four stomp boxes over the past year and consider myself lucky to have not had any lemons in the batch. Though I enjoy the various sounds that each of the Line 6 boxes produce individually, I find that they don't work well in a chain of effects. Something about the digital processing (perhaps) messes with the ability of the sound to become further processed either before or after it in the chain. I haven't had this same problem with other effects, though I'm not well versed in the world of stomp boxes, I'm more of a newbie at it. The box that I enjoy the most is the Modulation Modeller. It sounds crisp and clean in most of the various modes. That is until I add other signal processors in the chain (especially prior to the MM-4), then it becomes lower level and loses much of the high frequency content. SVG << ....The construction of the DL4 is far from poor - solid metal case. I abused mine for two years solidly before it went wrong (I ended up getting concrete dust collect inside the pedal, which ate one of the micro switches)... The only criticism that I have of the DL4 is that the buttons are pretty noisy to operate. It is fine for a large stage, but a small solo concert.... 'click'.....'click-click'....... heh :)>>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 16:20:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04049; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:19:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:19:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:18:05 +0200 Subject: Re: DL-4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020704194536.74250.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <261E4DC2-8F8B-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 09:45 PM, S V G wrote: > A common misconception... the DL-4 (and the other multi-coloured Line 6 > stomp boxes) are not > made with metal casings, they are plastic. I'd have to disagree with you... After two years of playing mine on the street, the paint is completely chipped around the edges, and it is definitely metal. I have also taken my DL4 apart many times to clean the street grime off of the PCB and switches.... it is definitely metal! I'd bet my Repeater on it (but not the DL4) :) > I know of someone who *stomps* on them regularly and > the button/switch broke through the case. They do a good job of making > them look like metal > however. Are you sure it broke through the case? Or the bolt holding the switch to the unit came loose? If it is the latter, it has happened to me twice. I dont know if Line6 have changed the material for the stomp boxes for the newer batches, but mine is definitely metal. > I'm glad that Stuart finds these boxes to work well for him. The simplicity of the unit is ideal for me. I do not think when I play, and often play for up to 20 minutes no stop with my eyes closed... for the street work that I do, it is ideal. However, I have had problems with overloading the input in a studio environment... I think soon it will be time to try and find myself an echo Pro. Considering the abuse that I have put my poor pedal through - playing in dirty, damp environments, and sometimes in near freezing weather - it has performed remarkably well considering the price of the box :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 16:42:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05062; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:41:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:41:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <47.1f6a9a4a.2a560cda@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:40:58 EDT Subject: Re: Looper cencus/Loop history To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I started off with a pair of Delta Lab looping Delays. The 1024 and the 4096. At that time I also had a boss delay pedal (1 second). I used to chain them together and get some interesting results. One thing that I really liked about the Delta Lab units was that they had inputs to modulate their internal LFO's. Later I got a Digitech RDS 7.6, and then a Jamman. I actually used the RDS 7.6 live a lot more than the Jamman. I really liked using the RDS 7.6 because of its realtime controls. Sometimes I would use them together (asynchronously of course). The Jamman did have better audio quality, etc., but really lacked in the realtime control dept. (compared to the RDS 7.6 anyway). I mostly used the Jamman for it's tap tempo feature (w/ short delays). Recently I acquired an Eventide H3500 DFXe. I have played around a little with its looping features. It can do some interesting things in the loop dept. Of course its not an EDP, but it certainly has a lot of nice effects. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 17:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07898; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:12:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:12:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.a9ee020.2a5613e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:10:56 EDT Subject: Re: Looper cencus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DSDALY@aol.com writes: >I know alot of guitar players that are excellent and would >definitely loop, but the marketing of the subject is all wrong. but, there is no marketing. >I just bought the REPEATER knowing that it has been discontinued because >of >the good reviews and the fact I can run a fairly small FS300 stage pedal >to >operate the unit live. >I also bought it to lay down tracks so I can solo over and get better. interested: did you buy it before you tried it? >I know that it can do so much more, but I suppose I will learn through >trial >because I don't see a place where I can get alot of tips and tricks >information. look harder; and, you can look and ask here! >Guitar Looping seems to be kept a big secret and that's why more guitarists >arent into it. ain't no secret. i'm not good at keeping secrets, myself. >If a company, say BOSS, came out with a small easy to use, reasonably priced >(say $100-$150 range) stompbox looper that could give say 10-14 seconds >of >simple looping and went into the guitar magazines with well thought out >ads >proclaiming.. "SOMETHING NEW for all you guitarists out there" and maybe >had >some good sound files on there web site and a few tips to get going .. >the >whole looping thing could take off. 1) while it's not been fully plumbed -(what instrument has been?)- looping is not strictly new. 2) companies have certainly done that: boomerang, roland, akai, line 6 put out reasonably inexpensive looping devices ---(hell, the jamman was cheap, wasn't it?)--- and, some of them have spent some dough on advertising, as well. and: oberheim used to advertise the EDP. my conclusion? what's critically missing from the manufacturers' vision is a long-term plan that includes education of the potential marketplace via seminars, clinics, instructional videos, and *functional* endorsements. etc. anyway: i babbled, again. sorry, if..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 17:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08209; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:13:33 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater tricks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Mountain Man wrote: > >> I too am bummed about Repeater going belly up. Guess this means the >bug >> that crashes my 'peater when I try to copy from main memory to the CFC >> ain't gonna get fixed :( dude, i betya that ain't a bug: it's probably a bad unit. get in touch w/electrix, right away! what ya waitin' on? eek, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 17:40:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10000; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:39:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:39:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Repeater tricks Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:40:32 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01c223a3$6cc0a0c0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually it just might be a bug- awhile back I found if I copied a loop to CFC, then worked the loop on internal memory more- that when I went to copy the revised version over top of the original on the CFC I would get a complete reboot and subsequent bad file on the CFC- Electrix worked with me in diagnosing it then acknowledged this as a bug to be squished in the next OS. Yo MM, is it crashing 1st time or are you copying over an existing loop on the CFC? Cliff > -----Original Message----- > From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 2:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater tricks > > >Mountain Man wrote: > > > >> I too am bummed about Repeater going belly up. Guess this means the > >bug > >> that crashes my 'peater when I try to copy from main memory to the CFC > >> ain't gonna get fixed :( > dude, i betya that ain't a bug: > it's probably a bad unit. > get in touch w/electrix, right away! > what ya waitin' on? > eek, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 17:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10503; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c22372$14852830$02f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <8BE31C26-8F72-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Looper cencus Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:47:17 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2237A.74D1BD40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2237A.74D1BD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that boss pedal is pretty rad...i accidentaly figured out how to get it = to make this strange resonant-soudning thing by setting it to mode 7 (or = 8) and then messing with the second-from-right knob. you can set the = pitch, too. very interesting and not an intended feature, i wouldn't = think. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2237A.74D1BD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
that boss pedal is pretty rad...i accidentaly = figured out how=20 to get it to make this strange resonant-soudning thing by setting it to = mode 7=20 (or 8) and then messing with the second-from-right knob.  you can = set the=20 pitch, too.  very interesting and not an intended feature, i = wouldn't=20 think.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2237A.74D1BD40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 17:53:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10655; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:52:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c22372$94374810$02f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <17d.a9ee020.2a5613e0@aol.com> Subject: Re: Looper cencus Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:50:52 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "what's critically missing from the manufacturers' vision is a long-term plan that includes education of the potential marketplace via seminars, clinics, instructional videos, and *functional* endorsements. etc." ...and i'll bet they aren't listening. it would make a lot of sense if a representative from each company were on this list since it's the largest single collection of looping musicians. maybe actually listen to what their patrons have to say... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 18:20:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13199; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:19:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:19:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Internet and music:another point of view... OT Message-ID: <1025821053.3d24c97da7f8f@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:17:33 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.198.0.93 Resent-Message-ID: <1KT7vC.A.eND.RnMJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 18:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13418; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:20:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:20:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Internet and music:another point of view... OT Message-ID: <1025821123.3d24c9c348d2a@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:18:43 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.198.0.93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 18:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13421; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:20:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:20:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Internet and music:another point of view... OT Message-ID: <1025821122.3d24c9c26139b@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:18:42 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.198.0.93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 19:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16558; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:01:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:01:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020704230113.45557.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Line 6 pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207042221.SAA13549@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << The box that I enjoy the most is the Modulation Modeller. It sounds crisp and clean in most of the various modes. That is until I add other signal processors in the chain (especially prior to the MM-4), then it becomes lower level and loses much of the high frequency content>> That's funny, I don't seem to have that problem. When I run my Boss Metal Zone in front of the MXR flanger emulation on the MM-4, it sounds just like when I used to run it in front of an actual vintage MXR flanger (back before the manual control stopped working). And the other models sound great with distortion on them, as well. I get great sounds by using the Metal Zone, MM-4 and DL-4 all together. Other than that, I can think of few instances where I'd run a bunch of effects at once. For instance, I also have the Filter Modeler, and I've found that I don't get much by using all three Line 6 pedals at once (or say using the Filter Modeler with my vintage Coloursound wah wah). Whether this is a matter of this design fault you mention, or a simple case of "less is more", I'm not sure. But I have absolutely qualms with any of the Line 6 gear I've bought so far. And I would advise your friend who damaged his pedal by stomping on it too hard to use a little less pressure when he steps on the footswitch. I always think it's ridiculous when I read about damaging pedals because they took the expression "stompbox" a little too literally. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 21:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27803; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:38:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020705013753.82431.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207042221.SAA13549@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Stuart Wyatt" On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 09:45 PM, S V G wrote: > A common misconception... the DL-4 (and the other multi-coloured Line 6 > stomp boxes) are not > made with metal casings, they are plastic. I'd have to disagree with you... After two years of playing mine on the street, the paint is completely chipped around the edges, and it is definitely metal. I have also taken my DL4 apart many times to clean the street grime off of the PCB and switches.... it is definitely metal! I'd bet my Repeater on it (but not the DL4) :) Well bugger me over a barrel! I had heard some talk about the Line 6 pedals being plastic so I decided to check it out myself. After tapping on the box, it sure didn't sound like metal. I decided it was plastic. Stuart's reply prompted me to take it apart and do a continuity check on the case... sure enough, it's metal. Cast aluminum I believe (though my credibilty is pretty low at the moment). Imagine that, one of the things that I am critical of in others, is speaking (especially here on the internet) without really doing the research. Thanks Stuart for the wake up call! > I know of someone who *stomps* on them regularly and > the button/switch broke through the case. They do a good job of making > them look like metal > however. Are you sure it broke through the case? Or the bolt holding the switch to the unit came loose? If it is the latter, it has happened to me twice. I dont know if Line6 have changed the material for the stomp boxes for the newer batches, but mine is definitely metal. Yeah, this guy is a real monster. I guess that the metal casting wasn't thick enough at that point to hold up under his weight. Good point on the switches coming loose, it's always a good idea to check the tightness of the nuts every once in a while. Both the nuts on the switches and the nuts on the 1/4" input and output jacks in the back. > I'm glad that Stuart finds these boxes to work well for him. The simplicity of the unit is ideal for me. I do not think when I play, and often play for up to 20 minutes no stop with my eyes closed... for the street work that I do, it is ideal. However, I have had problems with overloading the input in a studio environment... I think soon it will be time to try and find myself an echo Pro. Considering the abuse that I have put my poor pedal through - playing in dirty, damp environments, and sometimes in near freezing weather - it has performed remarkably well considering the price of the box :) Considering the working conditions that Stuart has described (playing on the street, battery powered), I would like to applaud his efforts. His website shows some real quality in his approach to music making and the sound clips are stunning. Though the DL-4 ultimately doesn't meet my needs, (loop not long enough, sound quality a bit low, other effects good but not great), I find it refreshing to hear what other people are able to get from these humble little boxes. Cheers, SVG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 22:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00892; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:49:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:49:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:46:50 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: [web cast spam] Live from Far East Vol.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig, it called "Live from Far East" Vol.4 gig is 14th July 2002. "Looper's Delight J 3rd round" You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast This event called "Looper's Delight J", In this time is 3rd round,2nd was 2001,1st was 1998.. Details are below: http://cavestudio.com/LD_J or http://cavestudio.com/LD_J/2002 We invite the net to enter the materials and textures of loops by mp3 for our "Looper's Delight J" live gig. We can accept upload your loops via FTP. The performers use them and we are live streaming the gig by Real System. You can hear your uploaded sounds by mixed or edited and looped by the performers via Internet. Then Internet is big loop. After the show,uploaded loops are free for use everyone,it free download via FTP. Happy Connection and Looping. The uploaded loop materials for Looper's Delight J 3rd Round performance are below: http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2002/uploaded_loops_2002.html "Looper's Delight J 3rd Round" 14th Sun. July 2002 at C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue 19:30 - 21:30 (JST) - night = 10:30 - 12:30 (GMT) - noon = 2:30 - 4:30 (PST) - late night SOUND Sunao Inami from TIMECONTROL (computer,sampler) http://www.cavestudio.com Kazuya Ishigami from BILLY? (computer,sampler) http://www.neus318.com Masato Kawatani from TIMECONTROL (guitar) Ryota Nishi from PORT (synthesizers) http://osaka.cool.ne.jp/port333 Yoshifumi Asa (synthesizers) KOQ (electronics) DANCE Emi Makino Asako Iwasa Broadcast http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east (Real Player G2 or higher required) from Kobe,Japan ___________ More Info: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org ______________________ Other news: Our CD shop and Label,C.U.E. records is below.. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop ______________________ sorry for spam.. Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 22:52:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01253; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:51:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:51:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020705025119.35208.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Hi. I'm Will." Subject: LooperRadio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9XUP0D.A.VT.omQJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess there's no station. I'd be willing to put one together on mp3.com if folks send me links of which songs they'd like added. If I had a server or something, I'd do a more full on one but an mp3.com only version will have to do. So, if'n you're interested, send me a link or two and i'll try to get it going on. It's gonna rain..., WillWillWillWill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 4 23:45:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05577; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:44:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:44:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1025821123.3d24c9c348d2a@www.correo.unam.mx> References: <1025821123.3d24c9c348d2a@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:34:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Internet and music:another point of view... OT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id XAA05516 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for posting that, Smaug. At 5:18 PM -0500 7/4/02, smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: >http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html > >------------------------------------------------- >Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx >UNAMonos Comunicándonos -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 01:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13521; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:25:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:25:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020705052413.15703@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: ysh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:24:13 +0900 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #407 In-Reply-To: <20020704175402.21618.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020704175402.21618.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ARENA Internet Mailer 2.1.1 PPC X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <2QWn0.A.ZSD.k2SJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks like a different beast: max time 6 secs. Some nifty features like splitting a loop into 16 and re-ordering the segments, or MIDI-triggering of samples/loops either pitched or non-pitched. Ernesto Schnack$B$5$s$,(B02.7.4 10:54 AM$B$K=q$-$^$7$?!'(B >Speaking of which, anybody know anything about >the new Roland MC-09 that's coming out soon? It >seems almost like they mated a Repeater with one >of their groove boxes. No guitar-friendly >inputs, but it does have some cool features. > >Ernesto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 02:17:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17486; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:16:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:15:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper cencus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <17d.a9ee020.2a5613e0@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 02:10 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > my conclusion? what's critically missing from the manufacturers' vision > is a > long-term plan that includes education of the potential marketplace via > seminars, clinics, instructional videos, and *functional* endorsements. > etc. > I could not agree with you more! It's the main reason I'm mad at Electrix. I tried (twice) via Damon to organize Electrix sponsored Repeater demos in music stores all over, and was ignored. I was offering my time free because I believed in the product. Why don't companies feel it's worth it? We need to start a "Knights of the Looper's Delight" crusade. A round table... yeah, I see it all.... We'll travel near and far in the name of Looping. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 03:24:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21576; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 03:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 03:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:23:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater tricks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003f01c223a3$6cc0a0c0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Message-Id: <2129ECB4-8FE8-11D6-95B6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, don't hold your breath on bug fixes. Got an email from Lisa at Electrix and after she yelled at me for being critical of Electrix on this forum, she informed me that they're will not be an update of the OS. Nice. We've got no right to be mad, just because we bought a product that doesn't work as it was spec'd to. They had a hard time, so be nice. I just wish I could use it's MIDI clock out. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 02:40 PM, Om_Audio wrote: > Actually it just might be a bug- awhile back I found if I copied a loop > to CFC, then worked the loop on internal memory more- that when I went > to copy the revised version over top of the original on the CFC I would > get a complete reboot and subsequent bad file on the CFC- Electrix > worked with me in diagnosing it then acknowledged this as a bug to be > squished in the next OS. > > Yo MM, is it crashing 1st time or are you copying over an existing loop > on the CFC? > > Cliff > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] >> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 2:14 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Repeater tricks >> >>> Mountain Man wrote: >>> >>>> I too am bummed about Repeater going belly up. Guess this means > the >>> bug >>>> that crashes my 'peater when I try to copy from main memory to the > CFC >>>> ain't gonna get fixed :( >> dude, i betya that ain't a bug: >> it's probably a bad unit. >> get in touch w/electrix, right away! >> what ya waitin' on? >> eek, >> dt / s-c >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 04:01:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25119; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:00:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:00:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #401 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200207012325.TAA10533@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200207012325.TAA10533@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:01:19 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <17QO0i-1I08BsC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <3tBat.A.3HG.XIVJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > OK, here goes: All you EDP and Repeater owners, > here's the question: If > you had to only have a single looper (and I'll even > extend this to > multiple loopers of one type) WHAT WOULD IT BE? EDP > or Repeater? As Pedro Felix said: EDP, rather easily I might add. I'll second that! The EDP is THE realtime looping tool, the Repeater does do stereo and time strech stuff but is not as easily creative IMO. Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 04:39:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27784; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:38:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:38:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:37:18 +0200 Subject: Re: Repeater tricks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <2129ECB4-8FE8-11D6-95B6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <6A524466-8FF2-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com She got mad at you for criticising Electrix on *THIS* forum? WTF? You have a right to be mad. I have a right to be mad... Anybody that purchased a Repeater has a right to be mad. I've been reading your posts also on the Electrix forum too, and agree with every word that you wrote. To leave the OS as it is, is a waste... It still has bugs, it still does not have full Midi implementation.... What was the point of their 'Repeater Wishes' section on their forum? And as to them lying, I again wholeheartedly agree with you. "We are on Vacation"... "People are sick".... "We are going through a reorganisation that will temporarily affect Repeater distribution".... etc. etc. etc. It reminded me so much about all the corporate bullshit that my old dot com told us to tell our clients when we fell on hard times. They've handled the customer relations side of the business really badly. I don't blame Lisa though... she is just the spokesperson, and probably repeated what she was told to write. I wish that I could find out how to contact the people who make the decisions at the top :( This whole situation sucks. They wont release what there is of OS1.2 (maybe it was never started? - the rumours about the update were just that... rumours?), They wont release the code to allow the community to develop the Repeater. It looks as though they will not release the internal hardware specs to allow programmers the opportunity to rewrite the code... and it looks as though the Repeater will be shelved permanently.... It sucks. Ah well.... Looks like I'll be going down the EDP route in the future.... On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 09:23 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Yeah, don't hold your breath on bug fixes. Got an email from Lisa at > Electrix and after she yelled at me for being critical of Electrix on > this forum, she informed me that they're will not be an update of the > OS. Nice. We've got no right to be mad, just because we bought a > product that doesn't work as it was spec'd to. They had a hard time, > so be nice. > > I just wish I could use it's MIDI clock out. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 04:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28376; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:44:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:44:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:43:47 +0200 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <136.104856c9.2a559874@aol.com> Message-Id: <5221AC08-8FF3-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 02:24 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >> I have a feeling that most of this is down to the pitch >> shifting algorithms (which I never use anyway). > i'm curious as to why not? i find it useful, sometimes, myself..... Its just the way that I play. I dont believe in adding effects to pre-recorded loops, or altering them in any way afterwards. Its a kind of personal philosophy that I have.... the music should be performed as it is played... If it cant be played live, then it should not be played at all. If I want to pitch shift, I route the violin through an effects unit prior to the loop being recorded. I used to have the same philosophy when I used to session work in studios. If I had the authority to impose my rules, the entire vioin tracks had to be recorded from start to finish without any overdubs/drop-ins..... I feel like a cheat if I dont stick to this rule. Yes... I am strange :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 05:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30430; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:07:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:07:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c22403$5dd5f500$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020705025119.35208.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LooperRadio Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:07:17 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah on the mp3.com/Vivendi bunch, as they're not too interested in paying anyone despite their recent rigging of the royalties determinations. I have a station on Live365, EarthLight Online, that's running over two hours of my material at this time. I'm not using my full allotment obviously. But, I've just gotten a notice from them saying that, because of the recent rulings about royalties, they have to charge people a $5/month fee for the former free stations to cover it all. Like I was talking about several months ago? I hate being right sometimes. This is hilarious in a dark way, in that I own my own material, it's not registered with ASCAP or BMI (at this time), and I pay nobody for the use of it. Somewhat similar to the situation described as being in Italy, but at least it's not prohibitive as yet. I do appreciate the costs associated with running such a process even without the attempted squashing by the RIAA and their gangster buddies. Suffice it to say that I have no money as usual, and so if I can't pull $5 out every month starting in August, EarthLight Online will also be a victim of royalty rates. So here's my proposition: If you'd like your material to be played on the station, send me a CD and let me know which pieces you'd like to have playing - along with a small amount to help defray the $5 cost, but also my time in encoding and uploading (bandwidth costs money too) to my site. Respond to spgoodman@earthlight.net off the list, if you'd like to do this. I can promise you I won't make a dime on this, but I do need to keep from being in the hole as well. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 05:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31284; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c22406$5f1dfe00$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <8BE31C26-8F72-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Looper cencus Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:27:39 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_TYa5D.A.ToH.JbWJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I missed the beginning of this one somehow. As the spelling is 'census' I assume that someone called for a poll of which looping devices we use? Or what got us into it? 1st Looper (1980): two really old Bell reel-to-reel tape decks The sound was awful and had no effects or compression attached to control the geometrically-increasing noise, which eventually became a bizarre spiked sound if left for too long. The experiments done, I put the Bell decks back in the closet, later to be sold by my parents when they moved out of the big old house in NJ, along with my super8 film of the Moon landings (arrgh!). I gave up on looped music for a while since it was too expensive to produce anything that wouldn't drive the dogs in the next county insane. And the neighbors. Kept the resulting tapes as a matter of archiving work, and will eventually use some of it as interesting background noise. 2nd Looper (1992): DigiTech DDS 7.6-second "Time Machine" I bought it using some money I got after leaving a job in 1992, along with my QuadraVerb+. Still working, though the DDS does have this awful need for a ground-break, and so cannot be used in facilities without a grounding outlet (thankfully this has only happened once). 3rd Looper (1999?): Two Zoom 2100 units I bought the first one from Musician's Fiend, and the second one from David M. from this list. Still haven't figured out how to use most of the features, and I hate the little buttons as well as the miniscule labels for those buttons, which make the unit more suitable as a rack - close to the eyes of course - but for the footpedals. However, as a matter of course it's generally manditory to have settings you rely upon, and if you've succeeded in setting up and saving them, it's a breeze to select, and thank God the LED digits are large enough for an old poop like me to read. Most of the time I use the long sound-on-sound delay that the Zoom 2100 produces. Very tape-like, but without the noise! I use an A/B switch to direct guitar through either of the 2100s, which then go to a Mackie 1202VLZ, which the DDS 7.6 is attached to on one of the aux loops. I like to switch from the settings chosen to the recording/sampling mode, after having produced a nice background loop and off-loading it to the DDS - and then using the recording/sampling mode to set down a mid-lead loop of sorts (I use the 32-second mode on each). Over the background loop on the DDS and the twin 2100s, I can then play lead on top of THAT. So far so good! Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 06:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01348; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:59:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:59:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c2240a$0ca7ed80$474865d5@elias> From: "Elias Faingersh" To: References: <5221AC08-8FF3-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:55:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA01325 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sound to me you have classical education. Way to go! I do use pitch control myself. But never pre-recorded loops. I feel that I just have to have some kinda pride I guess. Besides it does sound alot more alive when you make it on the spot. One has to be able to play the instrument though :) Elias Faingersh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition > > On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 02:24 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > >> I have a feeling that most of this is down to the pitch > >> shifting algorithms (which I never use anyway). > > > i'm curious as to why not? i find it useful, sometimes, myself..... > > Its just the way that I play. I dont believe in adding effects to > pre-recorded loops, or altering them in any way afterwards. Its a kind > of personal philosophy that I have.... the music should be performed as > it is played... If it cant be played live, then it should not be played > at all. If I want to pitch shift, I route the violin through an effects > unit prior to the loop being recorded. > > I used to have the same philosophy when I used to session work in > studios. If I had the authority to impose my rules, the entire vioin > tracks had to be recorded from start to finish without any > overdubs/drop-ins..... I feel like a cheat if I dont stick to this rule. > > Yes... I am strange :) > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 06:07:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01844; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:06:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Looper cencus Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:05:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <009b01c22406$5f1dfe00$0201a8c0@eluk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > poll of which looping devices we > use? Or what got us into it? > (1983) Ibanez Digital Delay, Ibanez Harmo Delay With these two cheap units I got a kick start into looping. You could switch between three delay settings; like 128, 256 or 504 milliseconds, while the loops kept bouncing. In the effect loop of the delay I used to put the harmonizer and was tweaking it to have the loop evolving up or down in pitch with each repeat. Main instrument was the tenor sax but I was also using electric guitar and some shouting (bent over the sax mic ;-) (1990) Two old Tandberg reel-to-reel machines borrowed. My cheap, but funny, digital units finally broke down and as a temporary workaround I borrowed these tape recorders on certain occations. (1993) Jam Man rented just for gigs. (2001) EDP, Repeater (finally what I have always been dreaming of... ;-D My recent set-up also includes a Behringer 1604A mixer, a Behringer FCB 1010 midi foot controller and a Fostex LXP-5 used only for reverb. I find this rig a very open as a creative system. With the mixer (and repeater direct signal set to "off") I can set up feedback loops where one track, set to some pitch value, is building pitched layers on top of itself (in rec mode, of course). The EDP is used as midi clock master and I find it extremely fun to fool around with all the new LOOP4 tricks, sometimes going straight into a new loop length/tempo and having the entire Repeater Noise Squad time stretch to catch up in a couple of seconds. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 06:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02694; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:15:54 +0200 Subject: Re: Looper census Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <009b01c22406$5f1dfe00$0201a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: <30EA768A-9000-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 11:27 AM, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Sorry, I missed the beginning of this one somehow. As the spelling is > 'census' I assume that someone called for a poll of which looping > devices we > use? Or what got us into it? Yes, I misspelled the word.... :) I'm doing that a lot lately... I actually posted the original message to ask how many loopers were subscribed to the list (There are a lot of lurkers here I think)... just out of curiosity. However, people replied detailing their equipment, and what got them into looping. Not a bad transformation of the thread... and quite interesting too! :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 06:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04780; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:47:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:46:04 +0200 Subject: Re: Looper census Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <30EA768A-9000-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: <6781E9BE-9004-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To answer the current thread myself, I started experimenting with loops using a Juno1 and Fostex 4-track whilst I was still at school (1984 I think). It was a haphazard affair, using a 30 second looped audio cassette from an old answering machine - involving remixing pre-recorded tracks with live stuff. It was impossible to actually do much with it rhythmically, but it was fun :) I did not start looping again until I purchased a DD5 back in 93/94... the two second sampler back then seemed incredible :) "Wow look at me! I sound like two violins!!!".... again, it was pretty limited. It was not until I read a review about the Akai Headrush a couple of years ago that I really decided to give looping a go seriously. I saved up some money, and went out to purchase one. When I got to the music shop, the owner showed me the newly released DL4. A minute or so after playing with it, I decided that it was for me. Had I opted for the Headrush instead of the DL4, I probably would not be doing what I am doing now (musical street prostitution), as the Headrush is mains only. The other equipment I am using at home at the moment is the Repeater, and also Ableton's Live software. I'm unable to really test the latters limits properly , due to a crap USB soundcard (griffin imic) and the lack of a second Midi controller pedal. Temporary problems.... the solution solved with $$$'s. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 08:47:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12249; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:45:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:45:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 08:46:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Record-to-Next-Record on Loop IV From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200206111531.LAA01554@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3108703596_225048_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3108703596_225048_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm having trouble doing Record-to-Next-Record on Loop IV -- it seems so simple, and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I've got auto record on, 2 loops enabled, both loops empty, and when I end the record of the first loop with a press of next loop all it does it play back the first loop, with the "next loop" LED in red and all others in orange. Isn't is supposed to go directly to a record in the next loop? Can anyone help? Thanks. BTW, everything else I've explored in LOOP IV is great -- it solves so many little problems so elegantly. I haven't even gotten deeply into it yet. --MS_Mac_OE_3108703596_225048_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Record-to-Next-Record on Loop IV I'm having trouble doing Record-to-Next-Record on Loop IV -- it seems so simple, and I can't f= igure out what I'm doing wrong.
I've got auto record on, 2 loops enabled, both loops empty, and when I end = the record of the first loop with a press of next loop all it does it play b= ack the first loop, with the "next loop" LED in red and all others= in orange.  Isn't is supposed to go directly to a record in the next l= oop?
Can anyone help? Thanks.
BTW, everything else I've explored in LOOP IV is great -- it solves so many= little problems so elegantly.  I haven't even gotten deeply into it ye= t. --MS_Mac_OE_3108703596_225048_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 10:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19045; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:14:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <14a.10596040.2a570376@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:13:10 EDT Subject: "Loop Philosophy" wasRe: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure that we all have our own "Loop Philosophy". Stuart, I don't think that your philosophy is strange at all. You've decided what works for you and gone on to make music. That's what's important. For me, the real point to looping live is to create all of it on-the-fly. It may be composed loops (that you build from scratch every performance), structured improv, or just born out of the moment. I do really like to transform loops though. My favorite loop transformers are Reaktor3, CrusherX, and Spektral Delay. Up until now this has been something for the studio only. I just got a Laptop though, and I am looking forward to using this in live performance. In the studio, loops are great fodder for sound design. Some really interesting rhythmic sounds can been generated by processing loops far beyond recognition. Drum loops are especially good for this. Synth tracks/loops with a lot of fast pitch and/or filter modulation are great too. I do prefer to use loops that I have created myself though. I feel that even if the resultant sound/soundscape is totally unrecognizable from the original, the musician who performed/programmed the loop being processed deserves credit for providing the sonic starting point/inspiration. Of course, everyone will have their own variant of loop philosophy. What's yours? Marc In a message dated 7/5/02 4:44:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stuart@solostring.com writes: > Its just the way that I play. I dont believe in adding effects to > pre-recorded loops, or altering them in any way afterwards. Its a kind > of personal philosophy that I have.... the music should be performed as > it is played... If it cant be played live, then it should not be played > at all. If I want to pitch shift, I route the violin through an effects > unit prior to the loop being recorded. > > I used to have the same philosophy when I used to session work in > studios. If I had the authority to impose my rules, the entire vioin > tracks had to be recorded from start to finish without any > overdubs/drop-ins..... I feel like a cheat if I dont stick to this rule. > > Yes... I am strange :) > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 11:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24471; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:30:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:30:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:29:05 -0700 Subject: Re: LooperRadio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020705025119.35208.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <-0sIhC.A.v9F.DtbJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Feel free to grab my stuff from www.mp3.com/0crossing Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 07:51 PM, Hi. I'm Will. wrote: > I guess there's no station. I'd be willing to put one > together on mp3.com if folks send me links of which > songs they'd like added. If I had a server or > something, I'd do a more full on one but an mp3.com > only version will have to do. So, if'n you're > interested, send me a link or two and i'll try to get > it going on. > > It's gonna rain..., > WillWillWillWill > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 11:37:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24960; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:36:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:36:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:41:09 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: LooperRadio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00f601c2243a$627f2cc0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020705025119.35208.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm at http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi. I'm Will." To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: LooperRadio > I guess there's no station. I'd be willing to put one > together on mp3.com if folks send me links of which > songs they'd like added. If I had a server or > something, I'd do a more full on one but an mp3.com > only version will have to do. So, if'n you're > interested, send me a link or two and i'll try to get > it going on. > > It's gonna rain..., > WillWillWillWill > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 11:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26087; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:57:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:57:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:57:36 -0700 Subject: Adding effects to a loop (was Re: Electrix/IVL petition) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5221AC08-8FF3-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 01:43 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > . I dont believe in adding effects to pre-recorded loops, or altering > them in any way afterwards. Its a kind of personal philosophy that I > have.... the music should be performed as it is played... If it cant be > played live, then it should not be played at all. If I want to pitch > shift, I route the violin through an effects unit prior to the loop > being recorded. > Not trying to knock your philosophy, but you say, "I dont believe in adding effects to pre-recorded loops, or altering them in any way afterwards..." Well, in a sense, aren't all loops pre-recorded? Or do you, like myself, draw a line between loops that you're making during a performance (not pre recorded) and loops made prior to the performance? Here's why I ask. Adding effects via the Repeater's simple, yet brilliant, effects loop will alter your loop without changing what you played. Because you're improvising what you're putting into the loop (I believe you said you were in a previous post, correct me if I'm wrong), you've got no choice but to be influenced to play somewhat differently based on what you already hear in the loop, which is *not exactly what you played*. Then you take off the effect, and now you've got a loop that was created with a set of variables that is no longer there. So you keep adding, based on that. It's just an interesting and fun way to work with live loops, IMO. That added little chaos is a nice element, especially when looping alone. On the other hand, sometimes I don't do this at all, and just play straight into the loop. Both techniques are valid. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 12:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30199; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:37:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:37:02 +0200 Subject: Re: Adding effects to a loop (was Re: Electrix/IVL petition) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6EE55AB4-9035-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <-Xx9CD.A.OXH.NtcJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 05:57 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Not trying to knock your philosophy, I was not trying to knock anyone else's philosophy either :) , just trying to explain how my head works (at least for the moment). > but you say, "I dont believe in adding effects to pre-recorded loops, > or altering them in any way afterwards..." Well, in a sense, aren't > all loops pre-recorded? Er... I should type slower, and think more when I write.... I see ambiguity in what I wrote... :( > Or do you, like myself, draw a line between loops that you're making > during a performance (not pre recorded) and loops made prior to the > performance? I draw the line at using anything pre-recorded. Everything that I use loop wise is recorded live during the performance. > Here's why I ask. Adding effects via the Repeater's simple, yet > brilliant, effects loop will alter your loop without changing what you > played. Because you're improvising what you're putting into the loop > (I believe you said you were in a previous post, correct me if I'm > wrong), you've got no choice but to be influenced to play somewhat > differently based on what you already hear in the loop, which is *not > exactly what you played*. Then you take off the effect, and now you've > got a loop that was created with a set of variables that is no longer > there. So you keep adding, based on that. I understand what you are trying to say. For me, just using my electric violin with a clean sound, and one looping device (DL4) gives me an almost infinite amount of options when I come to 'paint' on the looping canvas. I've tried adding effects, playing around with the sounds after they are recorded etc. etc., but it just does not feel right. It overly complicates something that is so purely simple... maybe pollutes is the correct word... I dont know. Maybe a parallel can be drawn with Django Rheinhardt (not sic - cant be bothered to look it up) - he was able to produce amazing things on the guitar using just two fingers and a thumb that people with 5 fingers cannot play. By keeping it simple in my setup and rules, it allows me a greater freedom than if I had rack after rack of synchronised effects units.... Am I making sense? > > It's just an interesting and fun way to work with live loops, IMO. > That added little chaos is a nice element, especially when looping > alone. True. I've heard what other loopers on this list do with their music, and it works for them.... sadly, it just does not work for me. Gotta go... I have my first night tonight playing with an improvisational theatre group... and I've just realised I'm cutting it fine if I'm going to get there on time. Later ;) > -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 12:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29902; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:33:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater tricks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6A524466-8FF2-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 01:37 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > She got mad at you for criticizing Electrix on *THIS* forum? WTF? > Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that I was very critical, but also one of the Repeater's biggest evangelists. How the memory is selective.... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 13:23:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03063; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:23:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:23:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020705172249.52917.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: Help! Using Repeater CFC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How does one get the 'peater to use its CFC memory during loop recording? I format it, start building loops, and quickly run out of the built in memory. According to the check memory function (long Copy press), the card has 3.00 available, but it never gets used before I can no longer record any more. This is the CFC that came with the unit. Am I wrong in thinking it should be able to use the CFC in the same way as the main memory? Yours in rhythm, Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 13:31:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03488; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:30:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Help! Using Repeater CFC Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:32:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c22449$eec510a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020705172249.52917.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Before you record, select a loop number without the little "i" and you will then be recording direct to CFC. C > -----Original Message----- > From: SRice [mailto:srice44@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Help! Using Repeater CFC > > > How does one get the 'peater to use its CFC memory during loop > recording? > > I format it, start building loops, and quickly run out of > the built in memory. According to the check memory function > (long Copy press), the card has 3.00 available, but it never > gets used before I can no longer record any more. > > This is the CFC that came with the unit. > > Am I wrong in thinking it should be able to use the CFC in the > same way as the main memory? > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 13:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03625; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help! Using Repeater CFC Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:31:25 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <20020705172249.52917.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020705172249.52917.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200207051931.25185.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you shure you have selected a card loop number? Memory loops have a ' marc in front of the number, card loops don't. Turn the loop knob to select a card loop. - Robert On Friday 05 July 2002 19:22, SRice wrote: > How does one get the 'peater to use its CFC memory during loop > recording? > > I format it, start building loops, and quickly run out of > the built in memory. According to the check memory function > (long Copy press), the card has 3.00 available, but it never > gets used before I can no longer record any more. > > This is the CFC that came with the unit. > > Am I wrong in thinking it should be able to use the CFC in the > same way as the main memory? > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 13:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04091; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:35:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:35:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cd01c2244b$4312d510$81a45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <20020705172249.52917.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Help! Using Repeater CFC Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:41:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The loop numbers for internal have ' next to them: 1' 2' ... keep scrolling until the numbers are alone: 1 2 ... That will put you in the card memory. Hope that's all your problem is! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "SRice" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Help! Using Repeater CFC > > How does one get the 'peater to use its CFC memory during loop > recording? > > I format it, start building loops, and quickly run out of > the built in memory. According to the check memory function > (long Copy press), the card has 3.00 available, but it never > gets used before I can no longer record any more. > > This is the CFC that came with the unit. > > Am I wrong in thinking it should be able to use the CFC in the > same way as the main memory? > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 13:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04711; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:45:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c2244b$8c0e74e0$d7a8a418@hvc.rr.com> From: "krumsite" To: References: <6EE55AB4-9035-11D6-9979-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Adding effects to a loop (was Re: Electrix/IVL petition) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:44:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i gotcha and I agree chris lane`-memory boxing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Adding effects to a loop (was Re: Electrix/IVL petition) > On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 05:57 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Not trying to knock your philosophy, > > I was not trying to knock anyone else's philosophy either :) , just > trying to explain how my head works (at least for the moment). > > > but you say, "I dont believe in adding effects to pre-recorded loops, > > or altering them in any way afterwards..." Well, in a sense, aren't > > all loops pre-recorded? > > Er... I should type slower, and think more when I write.... I see > ambiguity in what I wrote... :( > > > Or do you, like myself, draw a line between loops that you're making > > during a performance (not pre recorded) and loops made prior to the > > performance? > > I draw the line at using anything pre-recorded. Everything that I use > loop wise is recorded live during the performance. > > > Here's why I ask. Adding effects via the Repeater's simple, yet > > brilliant, effects loop will alter your loop without changing what you > > played. Because you're improvising what you're putting into the loop > > (I believe you said you were in a previous post, correct me if I'm > > wrong), you've got no choice but to be influenced to play somewhat > > differently based on what you already hear in the loop, which is *not > > exactly what you played*. Then you take off the effect, and now you've > > got a loop that was created with a set of variables that is no longer > > there. So you keep adding, based on that. > > I understand what you are trying to say. For me, just using my electric > violin with a clean sound, and one looping device (DL4) gives me an > almost infinite amount of options when I come to 'paint' on the looping > canvas. I've tried adding effects, playing around with the sounds after > they are recorded etc. etc., but it just does not feel right. It overly > complicates something that is so purely simple... maybe pollutes is the > correct word... I dont know. Maybe a parallel can be drawn with Django > Rheinhardt (not sic - cant be bothered to look it up) - he was able to > produce amazing things on the guitar using just two fingers and a thumb > that people with 5 fingers cannot play. By keeping it simple in my setup > and rules, it allows me a greater freedom than if I had rack after rack > of synchronised effects units.... > > Am I making sense? > > > > > It's just an interesting and fun way to work with live loops, IMO. > > That added little chaos is a nice element, especially when looping > > alone. > > True. I've heard what other loopers on this list do with their music, > and it works for them.... sadly, it just does not work for me. > > Gotta go... I have my first night tonight playing with an > improvisational theatre group... and I've just realised I'm cutting it > fine if I'm going to get there on time. > > Later ;) > > > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 13:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05067; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:49:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:49:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:48:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Help! Using Repeater CFC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00cd01c2244b$4312d510$81a45e82@audiows> Message-Id: <7676C9D1-903F-11D6-95B6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That was a bit confusing for me when I first got the Repeater. It's not the most intuitive thing about the Repeater. Mark On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 10:41 AM, David Auker wrote: > The loop numbers for internal have ' next to them: > > 1' 2' ... > > keep scrolling until the numbers are alone: > > 1 2 ... > > That will put you in the card memory. > > Hope that's all your problem is! > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SRice" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:22 AM > Subject: Help! Using Repeater CFC > > >> >> How does one get the 'peater to use its CFC memory during loop >> recording? >> >> I format it, start building loops, and quickly run out of >> the built in memory. According to the check memory function >> (long Copy press), the card has 3.00 available, but it never >> gets used before I can no longer record any more. >> >> This is the CFC that came with the unit. >> >> Am I wrong in thinking it should be able to use the CFC in the >> same way as the main memory? >> >> Yours in rhythm, >> Steve >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 13:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05485; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:55:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <141.10fc88c1.2a573748@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:54:16 EDT Subject: Re: LooperRadio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! In a message dated 7/4/02 7:51:26 PM, superscience@yahoo.com writes: >So, if'n you're interested, send me a link or two and i'll try to get it going on. Okay, I'll bite. I've got stuff up at: www.mp3.com/TedKillian (only the 1st four tracks are downloadable though). Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 14:23:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08499; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:22:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:22:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020705182031.75601.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: somebody update the website... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D233653.91AEB85D@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5pTfK.A.tDC.OOeJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry, checking this list is not as much of a high priority as it once was. my vote...repeater (happy?) i only choose th repeater for its multi-track capabilities...which fits my purpse for owning a looping device. never even bothered plugging into an edp because it couldn't handle what i needed to do. --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > So, where was your vote for the Repeater in the EDP > vs Repeater thread? > > Evan Meyers wrote: > > > get em while you still can! as far as i'm > concerned, > > the repeater is still the best available looping > tool > > on the mkt (depending on your needs > ofcourse)...and i > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 14:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08869; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:25:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:25:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:24:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Looping, on stage, a 2 minute song part by part? From: Alex Weinstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7EDF484E-9044-11D6-B751-003065713EDA@alexweinstein.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <3dEbCB.A.CKC.0ReJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a classical musician... trying desperately to bring looping into my recitals. I have a performance in a few weeks, where I would love to be able to perform a piece for 5 guitars, one part at a time. The piece is about 2 minutes long... and with all the parts in place I would be looping at least 8 minutes worth of music, possibly 10. Any advice? Hardware vs. Software? I've been looking into Ableton's LIVE, which might be a good way for me to go, but I need hands free control over the loop starts and stops. anything for <$500? any help asap would be greatly appreciated. thanks! -alex- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 14:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09648; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:38:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:38:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:40:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Looping, on stage, a 2 minute song part by part? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7EDF484E-9044-11D6-B751-003065713EDA@alexweinstein.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alex, i have done four part bach chorales on the Electrix Repeater in stereo (solo guitar fashion) . but i recommend doing it in mono. using it in stereo makes the flash memory a little unreliable. On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 02:24 PM, Alex Weinstein wrote: > I am a classical musician... trying desperately to bring looping into > my recitals. > I have a performance in a few weeks, where I would love to be able to > perform a piece for 5 guitars, one part at a time. > > The piece is about 2 minutes long... and with all the parts in place I > would be looping at least 8 minutes worth of music, possibly 10. > > Any advice? Hardware vs. Software? > > I've been looking into Ableton's LIVE, which might be a good way for me > to go, but I need hands free control over the loop starts and stops. > > anything for <$500? > > any help asap would be greatly appreciated. > > thanks! > > -alex- > > > > monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 14:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10739; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:47:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:47:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:47:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping, on stage, a 2 minute song part by part? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7EDF484E-9044-11D6-B751-003065713EDA@alexweinstein.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hardware. There's nothing that will run on a straight laptop that will really do it for real time looping... yet. Mark On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 11:24 AM, Alex Weinstein wrote: > I am a classical musician... trying desperately to bring looping into > my recitals. > I have a performance in a few weeks, where I would love to be able to > perform a piece for 5 guitars, one part at a time. > > The piece is about 2 minutes long... and with all the parts in place I > would be looping at least 8 minutes worth of music, possibly 10. > > Any advice? Hardware vs. Software? > > I've been looking into Ableton's LIVE, which might be a good way for me > to go, but I need hands free control over the loop starts and stops. > > anything for <$500? > > any help asap would be greatly appreciated. > > thanks! > > -alex- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 14:56:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11152; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:50:15 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: Looping, on stage, a 2 minute song part by part? In-reply-to: <7EDF484E-9044-11D6-B751-003065713EDA@alexweinstein.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have a performance in a few weeks, where I would love to be able to > perform a piece for 5 guitars, one part at a time. > > The piece is about 2 minutes long... and with all the parts in place I > would be looping at least 8 minutes worth of music, possibly 10. > > Any advice? Hardware vs. Software? Wow. Not wishing to be the wet blanket _too_ much, but that is asking quite a lot, especially for a few weeks. This sort of thing would be difficult enough to do in a studio, let alone a live performance, and I think that the main problem, even if you could solve all the technical gear issues would be one of synchronisation between the recorded parts - not ending up with a big mess.Any deviation from strict time would be virtually impossible to play tightly with on the next pass. So, with the caveat out of the way.... I think you'd need a hard disk recorder or some sort. I don't know of any smaller box with 10 minutes of sample time on five different tracks. My vote for the easiest way to do it solo would be a Mac, a really nice soundcard, and a custom patch in Max/Msp, actually this would be simple to setup in Max - let me know if you have access to this sort of gear and I'll knock up a patch for you which you can use with the Max runtime for free. If you had an assistant you would be able to do it with any Hard Disk recording app on any old computer, as long as you had a nice audio interface. Your assistant could enable a track for recording, then at the end of a "take" you could pause slightly while s/he enabled another track and started out again. If you are new to performing and operating computers at the same time, this would be the way to go. Apart from that you would need some really nice monitors placed close to you to mimic the sound of a guitar group, and probably a little gating on the input signal so you didn't end up with 5 channels of track 1, 4 of track 2, etc. Could be pretty interesting...... What style is the music? Cheers A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 15:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13200; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:08:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:08:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:08:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping, on stage, a 2 minute song part by part? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <88E0521F-904A-11D6-95B6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 11:50 AM, Andrew Pask wrote: > > I think you'd need a hard disk recorder or some sort. I don't know of > any > smaller box with 10 minutes of sample time on five different tracks. > The Repeater will do 8 min four track looping. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 15:19:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14162; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:19:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:19:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CARP. RIAA & YAHOO Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:18:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 19:18:20.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9104B50:01C22458] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 15:32:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15085; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:31:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:31:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.2a5ee4df.2a574dc8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:30:16 EDT Subject: Re: LooperRadio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will, I actually started a mp3.com Looper's Delight radio station on mp3.com earlier this year... mp3.com/stations/loopersdelight Not too many people seemed interested... Very cool though! The more loop related stations the better! It's too bad both of our stations have exactly the same name... LOL Good luck with your station! please feel free to add anything of mine you like! When you go to add songs ... enter artist name: Gregory Bruce Campbell My express URL is: www.mp3.com/freakwincing I WOULD LOVE TO ADD YOU AS WELL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 15:33:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15218; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:32:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:32:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.10383c21.2a574e29@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:31:53 EDT Subject: 2 min. song To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the boomerang can do a 2 min. 4 loop song.....no problem.....as long as the loops are all the same length, as in a "round" (row 3x yer boat).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 17:04:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22974; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:02:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:02:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705135504.02d9a7c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:03:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Record-to-Next-Record on Loop IV In-Reply-To: References: <200206111531.LAA01554@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:46 AM 7/5/2002, Steve Sandberg wrote: >I'm having trouble doing Record-to-Next-Record on Loop IV -- it seems so >simple, and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. >I've got auto record on, 2 loops enabled, both loops empty, and when I end >the record of the first loop with a press of next loop all it does it play >back the first loop, with the "next loop" LED in red and all others in >orange. Isn't is supposed to go directly to a record in the next loop? >Can anyone help? Thanks. Hi Steve- it sounds to me like you have the SwitchQuant parameter turned on. Check that one and set it to "off". Then the Record-to-Next should do what you are expecting. You may want to turn on the AutoRecord parameter as well, so it will begin recording immediately when you switch to the next loop. This way you can record several loops as you play continuously, which is a very useful function that people have been asking about for a long time. Once you get the hang of that, you may want to go back to exploring the the various new SwitchQuant settings. These allow you several flexible ways to get the loops to switch quantized to the loop or cycle points. This gives you a lot of power to determine what function is happening in the new loop, or switch to any arbitrary loop instead of cycling through them in order. >BTW, everything else I've explored in LOOP IV is great -- it solves so >many little problems so elegantly. I haven't even gotten deeply into it yet. great, glad you are enjoying it! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 17:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23709; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:09:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:09:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705140420.0316d9a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:09:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LooperRadio In-Reply-To: <008401c22403$5dd5f500$0201a8c0@eluk> References: <20020705025119.35208.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:07 AM 7/5/2002, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >I have a station on Live365, EarthLight Online, that's running over two >hours of my material at this time. I'm not using my full allotment >obviously. But, I've just gotten a notice from them saying that, because of >the recent rulings about royalties, they have to charge people a $5/month >fee for the former free stations to cover it all. Like I was talking about >several months ago? I hate being right sometimes. if you check the Live365 entries on fuckedcompany.com, you will see that they were undergoing major layoffs and drastic cost-cutting efforts last year, well before any of this riaa stuff. You were going to be paying for their service no matter what, because there is no way they could continue consuming so much bandwidth and keep letting everybody use it for free. >This is hilarious in a dark way, in that I own my own material, it's not >registered with ASCAP or BMI (at this time), and I pay nobody for the use of >it. so put it on your own website. DIY. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 19:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31463; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:13:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:13:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020705231326.3242.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Hi. I'm Will." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From:"Stephen P. Goodman" >Nah on the mp3.com/Vivendi bunch, as they're not too >interested in paying anyone despite their recent >rigging of the royalties determinations. I completely agree. mp3.com sucks a big dirty butt. it's the only place I can think of to start a free station at the moment. If anyone else can suggest a better place, by all means do. If anyone is interested you can hear some of my looper based stuff here: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/willthemoor_music.htm Tracks 1, 4, 7, 9 and 13 are all live via DL4 graciously loaned to me by one il bols. I'm not suggesting some looper radio station that's going to make us all famous. Just a spot where list members can hear what other list members are doing. we all know who has what looping device but not necessarily what they're doing with it. I've heard some amazing stuff already from links people have sent me. I really loved Per Boyson's sounds at http://loopboy.tk/ I dunno, since I got a dsl modem, i've been an internet radio junkie. Sounds as good as earth radio, often better. No commercials on many of the stations and the variety, oh the variety... come on loopers. represent! happy aloha friday, Will __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 19:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32007; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:25:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:25:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020705232524.65326.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Hi. I'm Will." Subject: Looper Radio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, that was easy. I just found it already existing on mp3.com. Some one coulda said something.... :) for all of you who were as lost as I was, there's a blissfully genre-hoping Loopers Delight radio station at: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html For those who have sent me links, I'm not going to make a second station. please stop by the station above and send the 'station owner' (looping9string@aol.com) your links. Thanks to all who sent some. I enjoyed them. Will __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 19:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00829; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:52:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:52:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:51:19 +0200 Subject: Re: Looping, on stage, a 2 minute song part by part? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1A6F29C3-9072-11D6-95FB-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 08:47 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > There's nothing that will run on a straight laptop that will really do > it for real time looping... yet. Try Live. It works.... If you set the latency of your card correctly, then it works really well. Kill the dry sound through the software - have that routed through a hardware device (eg mixer) and you wont have a problem. You can record live loops, synchronise them to midi, assign ANY controls of Live to Midi CC/PC - but alas no overdub. When you loop in the way above, the software only outputs what you have recorded on the first cycle of the repeat... latency is not a problem. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 20:07:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02892; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.229.152.230] From: "Roojah Amighty" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 00:05:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 00:05:31.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[D79C6540:01C22480] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me lord...] and I am looking for a delay unit that has delay time controlled on-the-fly by an expression pedal, be it MIDI or CV based, as well as the ability to "sample" live from my guitar signal. There are a million little stomp delay pedals on the market, but I need to be able to change the delay time without bending over to tweak knobs or doing some weird foot stomping dance. I don't care about the number of echoes/loops/layers[I always just use one]-But I want to be able to control the "tempo"/delay-time by variable expression, NOT a tap-tempo stomp. Can anyone recommend ANY Setup/unit that would enable one to accomplish this feat with one's feet? Thus far the only suggestion I've had was to use the out of production BigBriar MoogerFooger Analog delay with a CV pedal, but they are both pricey pricey and somewhat scarce. . . Any suggestions? -TIA, --Roots _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 20:07:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02845; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 17:08:24 -0700 Subject: OT: German synth prices From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is my perception that the price in the US for Waldorf and Access synths have jumped in the last few months? If so, does anyone know why? I was getting tempted to get a MicroWave XT or XTk but I'm having to think a bit harder now. (If anyone has any input on those synths, I'd be interested in hearing it -- probably off list since this is off topic.) Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 20:31:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04637; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:31:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:31:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:33:27 -0400 Subject: Re: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pretty much any post-midi rack mount delay will allow you to control any number of parameters (including delay time) some of the best are the lexicon pcm-70 (also the 80 and 90..but imo they don't sound as good) the tc electronic 2290. the line 6 dl-4 is s cheap pedal that allows you to change several parameters (including delay time) without using midi. to the best of my knowledge only the repeater ( of the-until-recently-manufactured variety) allows you to change the tempo once the loop is "locked"... but lots of the old units did , but via a front panel knob - the old digitech rack mount series and the venerable lexicon pcm 42. do a little homework and you'll find lots and lots that can be manipulated via pedals. monk On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 08:05 PM, Roojah Amighty wrote: > > I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me lord...] and I am > looking for a delay unit that has delay time controlled on-the-fly by > an expression pedal, be it MIDI or CV based, as well as the ability to > "sample" live from my guitar signal. There are a million little stomp > delay pedals on the market, but I need to be able to change the delay > time without bending over to tweak knobs or doing some weird foot > stomping dance. > I don't care about the number of echoes/loops/layers[I always just > use one]-But I want to be able to control the "tempo"/delay-time by > variable expression, NOT a tap-tempo stomp. > Can anyone recommend ANY Setup/unit that would enable one to > accomplish this feat with one's feet? Thus far the only suggestion I've > had was to use the out of production BigBriar MoogerFooger Analog delay > with a CV pedal, but they are both pricey pricey and somewhat > scarce. . . Any suggestions? > -TIA, --Roots > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 20:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05459; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:49:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:49:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705174720.02f04008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 17:50:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT: German synth prices In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:08 PM 7/5/2002, Mark Hamburg wrote: >Is my perception that the price in the US for Waldorf and Access synths have >jumped in the last few months? If so, does anyone know why? the value of the dollar has been declining steadily against the euro for the last few months. Your dollar will not buy as many german dsp cycles as it used to. or maybe there is another explanation, but that is what I would guess. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 21:31:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08428; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:31:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:31:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c2248c$c92bafa0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020705025119.35208.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020705140420.0316d9a8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: LooperRadio Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:30:58 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 22:09 PM Subject: Re: LooperRadio > At 02:07 AM 7/5/2002, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > >I have a station on Live365, EarthLight Online, that's running over two > >hours of my material at this time. I'm not using my full allotment > >obviously. But, I've just gotten a notice from them saying that, because of > >the recent rulings about royalties, they have to charge people a $5/month > >fee for the former free stations to cover it all. Like I was talking about > >several months ago? I hate being right sometimes. > > if you check the Live365 entries on fuckedcompany.com, you will see that > they were undergoing major layoffs and drastic cost-cutting efforts last > year, well before any of this riaa stuff. You were going to be paying for > their service no matter what, because there is no way they could continue > consuming so much bandwidth and keep letting everybody use it for free. > > >This is hilarious in a dark way, in that I own my own material, it's not > >registered with ASCAP or BMI (at this time), and I pay nobody for the use of > >it. > > so put it on your own website. DIY. As your stance on this has been a given for some time this is sadly predictable, and a bit beneath what one expects of an otherwise objective list moderator. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 21:56:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09534; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:55:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D264E7D.CA522CCD@friendlyspider.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:58:08 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1lIfsB.A.JUC.E4kJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know the new Yamaha UD Stomp would do the the job, but it may be a little pricey... but I bet it sounds great. I have the DG and AG Stomp boxes and I really like them. They all have expression pedal inputs that are fully configurable. Anybody had a chance to try out the UD Stomp yet...? -- gary @friendlyspider.com Roojah Amighty wrote: > I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me lord...] and I am > looking for a delay unit that has delay time controlled on-the-fly by an > expression pedal, be it MIDI or CV based, as well as the ability to "sample" > live from my guitar signal. There are a million little stomp delay pedals on > the market, but I need to be able to change the delay time without bending > over to tweak knobs or doing some weird foot stomping dance. > I don't care about the number of echoes/loops/layers[I always just use > one]-But I want to be able to control the "tempo"/delay-time by variable > expression, NOT a tap-tempo stomp. > Can anyone recommend ANY Setup/unit that would enable one to > accomplish this feat with one's feet? Thus far the only suggestion I've had > was to use the out of production BigBriar MoogerFooger Analog delay with a > CV pedal, but they are both pricey pricey and somewhat scarce. . . Any > suggestions? > -TIA, --Roots > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 21:58:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09899; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:57:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:57:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <114.13e56a21.2a57a855@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:56:37 EDT Subject: guilt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_114.13e56a21.2a57a855_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_114.13e56a21.2a57a855_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/02 8:06:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roojah@hotmail.com writes: > I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me lord...] "the horror.....the horror".....why is this?.....do trumpet players feel guilty about playing the trumpet?....."your honor and members of the jury.....he is a guitar player, he doesnt know what he is doing.....in fact, he is a recovering catholic guitar playing looper.....i rest my case!.....give him more meds and send him off to bed!".....michael --part1_114.13e56a21.2a57a855_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/02 8:06:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roojah@hotmail.com writes:


I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me lord...]


"the horror.....the horror".....why is this?.....do trumpet players feel guilty about playing the trumpet?....."your honor and members of the jury.....he is a guitar player, he doesnt know what he is doing.....in fact, he is a recovering catholic guitar playing looper.....i rest my case!.....give him more meds and send him off to bed!".....michael --part1_114.13e56a21.2a57a855_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11552; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:07:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:07:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.29c166de.2a57aab5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:06:45 EDT Subject: Re: LooperRadio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.29c166de.2a57aab5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: <6NcTk.A.L0C.ADlJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7d.29c166de.2a57aab5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/2002 6:31:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > As your stance on this has been a given for some time this is sadly > predictable, and a bit beneath what one expects of an otherwise objective > list moderator. > Hmmmmm, ya know, I think Kim's response made really perfect sense. & I also think that maybe it is not beath anyone to have their own opinions. Perhaps it is a bit harsh to think that those who disagree with you are beaneath objectvity cuz - maybe - there are other ways of seeing an issue in which you are still objective without making it so personal. But speaking of radio stations @ mp3.com ahemmmmmmm... We gots some mighty fine listenin' goin on here @ all 4 AKASHRADIO Stations. Please feel free to add whatever music you would like from AKASH ( there are now over 50 songs by AKASH online @ mp3 ) or any other artist featured on our AKASHRADIO playlists. Theres somethin for everyone: mp3.com/stations/akashradio : dark ambient, electronica, noise with jazz + more mp3.com/stations/akashradio2 : mostly j-pop from japan mp3.com/stations/akashradio3 : noise, drones and moocho ear splitting madness mp3.com/stations/akashradio4 : free jazz, avant garde improv and more "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic --part1_7d.29c166de.2a57aab5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/2002 6:31:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes:


As your stance on this has been a given for some time this is sadly
predictable, and a bit beneath what one expects of an otherwise objective
list moderator.


Hmmmmm, ya know, I think Kim's response made really perfect sense.

& I also think that maybe it is not beath anyone to have their own opinions.

Perhaps it is a bit harsh to think that those who disagree with you are beaneath objectvity cuz - maybe - there are other ways of seeing an issue in which you are still objective without making it so personal.

But speaking of radio stations @ mp3.com ahemmmmmmm...

We gots some mighty fine listenin' goin on here @ all 4
AKASHRADIO Stations.

Please feel free to add whatever music you would like from AKASH
( there are now over 50 songs by AKASH online @ mp3 ) or any other artist featured on our AKASHRADIO playlists.

Theres somethin for everyone:

mp3.com/stations/akashradio : dark ambient, electronica, noise with jazz + more
mp3.com/stations/akashradio2 : mostly j-pop from japan
mp3.com/stations/akashradio3 : noise, drones and moocho ear splitting madness
mp3.com/stations/akashradio4 : free jazz, avant garde improv and more

"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
                                JP/AKASH
            "The World's Most Erotic Band" 
                http://www.akashmusic.com
                http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic

 --part1_7d.29c166de.2a57aab5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11864; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:09:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:09:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705190605.01fcd408@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:10:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper cencus In-Reply-To: <00a001c22372$94374810$02f8c440@g0wn7> References: <17d.a9ee020.2a5613e0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:50 AM 7/4/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >"what's critically missing from the manufacturers' vision is a long-term >plan that includes education of the potential marketplace via seminars, >clinics, instructional videos, and *functional* endorsements. >etc." > >...and i'll bet they aren't listening. it would make a lot of sense if a >representative from each company were on this list since it's the largest >single collection of looping musicians. maybe actually listen to what their >patrons have to say... pretty much every manufacturer of looping devices has had representatives on this list at one time or another. There are always people listening to what is said here. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12713; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:13:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:13:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:12:22 EDT Subject: Re: Looper cencus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b2.e06882b.2a57ac06_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <0NUC-B.A.UGD.qIlJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b2.e06882b.2a57ac06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/02 10:09:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > There are always people listening to what is said here. > > damn.....now ya tell me!.....michael --part1_b2.e06882b.2a57ac06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/02 10:09:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


There are always people listening to what is said here.



damn.....now ya tell me!.....michael --part1_b2.e06882b.2a57ac06_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:14:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12762; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:13:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:13:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c22492$b98c4cc0$7407f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D264E7D.CA522CCD@friendlyspider.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually have a pedal (in the equipment burial unit aka storage) which is a unholy union of the 2 sec Digitech delay pedal (PDS 2000?) and my old Morley electrostatic delay foot pedal/controller--with this you can control all the functions of the Digitech with pedal controls--talk about FSU--It might need some love however . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Gary Phillips [mailto:gary@friendlyspider.com] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? I know the new Yamaha UD Stomp would do the the job, but it may be a little pricey... but I bet it sounds great. I have the DG and AG Stomp boxes and I really like them. They all have expression pedal inputs that are fully configurable. Anybody had a chance to try out the UD Stomp yet...? -- gary @friendlyspider.com Roojah Amighty wrote: > I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me lord...] and I am > looking for a delay unit that has delay time controlled on-the-fly by an > expression pedal, be it MIDI or CV based, as well as the ability to "sample" > live from my guitar signal. There are a million little stomp delay pedals on > the market, but I need to be able to change the delay time without bending > over to tweak knobs or doing some weird foot stomping dance. > I don't care about the number of echoes/loops/layers[I always just use > one]-But I want to be able to control the "tempo"/delay-time by variable > expression, NOT a tap-tempo stomp. > Can anyone recommend ANY Setup/unit that would enable one to > accomplish this feat with one's feet? Thus far the only suggestion I've had > was to use the out of production BigBriar MoogerFooger Analog delay with a > CV pedal, but they are both pricey pricey and somewhat scarce. . . Any > suggestions? > -TIA, --Roots > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:16:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13158; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:15:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper census Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705190605.01fcd408@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <43542B1D-9086-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I was amazed that Lisa from Electrix seemed to have every single negative (and none of the postitive) things I've ever said about Electrix stored up for ammo. When I asked about a future bug fix, she prefaced the "No" with about 10 quotes from me. Flattering, really. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 07:10 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:50 AM 7/4/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >> "what's critically missing from the manufacturers' vision is a >> long-term >> plan that includes education of the potential marketplace via seminars, >> clinics, instructional videos, and *functional* endorsements. >> etc." >> >> ...and i'll bet they aren't listening. it would make a lot of sense >> if a >> representative from each company were on this list since it's the >> largest >> single collection of looping musicians. maybe actually listen to what >> their >> patrons have to say... > > pretty much every manufacturer of looping devices has had > representatives on this list at one time or another. > > There are always people listening to what is said here. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:17:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13989; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:17:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:17:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:16:59 -0700 Subject: Re: LooperRadio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7d.29c166de.2a57aab5@aol.com> Message-Id: <739EEDEA-9086-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA13956 Resent-Message-ID: <4LLIlD.A.XaD.dMlJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah Kim, could you please keep your opinions to yourself? Christ. What kind of moderator are you anyway? Oh yeah, you're not a moderator... you just pay the bills to keep this going. Well, you should know better. Mark Sarcasticlaro On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 07:06 PM, AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/5/2002 6:31:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > > > As your stance on this has been a given for some time this is sadly > predictable, and a bit beneath what one expects of an otherwise > objective > list moderator. > > > > Hmmmmm, ya know, I think Kim's response made really perfect sense. > > & I also think that maybe it is not beath anyone to have their own > opinions. > > Perhaps it is a bit harsh to think that those who disagree with you are > beaneath objectvity cuz - maybe - there are other ways of seeing an > issue in which you are still objective without making it so personal. > > But speaking of radio stations @ mp3.com ahemmmmmmm... > > We gots some mighty fine listenin' goin on here @ all 4 > AKASHRADIO Stations. > > Please feel free to add whatever music you would like from AKASH > ( there are now over 50 songs by AKASH online @ mp3 ) or any other > artist featured on our AKASHRADIO playlists. > > Theres somethin for everyone: > > mp3.com/stations/akashradio : dark ambient, electronica, noise with > jazz + more > mp3.com/stations/akashradio2 : mostly j-pop from japan > mp3.com/stations/akashradio3 : noise, drones and moocho ear splitting > madness > mp3.com/stations/akashradio4 : free jazz, avant garde improv and more > > "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" >                                 JP/AKASH >             "The World's Most Erotic Band"  >                 http://www.akashmusic.com >                 http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13370; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:15:34 -0500 From: Skip Subject: MIDI pedals In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705174720.02f04008@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi y'all! i recently bought a Behringer FCB1010 to control my Repeater, and it's been a huge improvement over the FS300, but there are some things i have a problem with. i need more dedicated CC pedals to control track volume (and a few other parameters)...i don't like scrolling through presets to get to the one for track3 volume or the one for filter cutoff. i also need momentary switches that will send two different CC commands on depress/release. i want to emulate the glitch technique that Andre LaFosse uses, but on the Repeater (no cash for an EDP right now). it's hard to get really short bits of sound in replace mode w/out a momentary switch. i need something that will send a CC command of 127 on depress and then 0 on release to trigger the record function (CC#86). i found the MIDI Solutions company... http://www.midisolutions.com/index.htm but i'd have to buy a box for each pedal/switch. expensive :( the RFX MIDI Wizard has 8 CC pedal inputs (and seems pretty cheap)... but the switches don't seem too programable...and i doubt they can be used as momentary switches. the Roland FC-200 sounds like it might be able to do the momentary thing...does anyone know? people have given it mixed reviews on the list, though. in an ideal world i'd be able to find something that does all of this, AND has a programable led next to each pedal so the light could either toggle on/off, or work "radio button" style when set up to control transport functions... but that's not gonna happen. i have a feeling i'm going to end up with a tangle of spaghetti and 10 different pedalboards. (my anal-retentive side shudders) any-hoo...anyone with any advice/help- i'd love to hear it. thanks, 12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14735; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:30:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:30:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c22462$7440bd70$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <17d.a9ee020.2a5613e0@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020705190605.01fcd408@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Looper cencus Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:27:57 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "There are always people listening to what is said here." i stand...er, sit actually...corrected. it's good to know that the manufacturers are listening. perhaps the edp's extensive and highly-useful features can be attributed to the software designer's being ACTIVE members of this list... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15039; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:33:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:33:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c22462$de5a4cd0$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI pedals Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:30:55 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, the biggest and baddest midi pedals would be an easy fix, more than likely: rocktron all access custom audio electronics rs10 skydstrup (sp?) there are a few other in-depth midi controllers, but i can't recall right now... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 22:56:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16461; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:47:41 -0500 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: Looping, on stage, a 2 minute song part by part? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D26685D.678F5D96@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <88E0521F-904A-11D6-95B6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do this sort of stuff all of the time using two boomerangs. I usually start with one unit and stack two or three guitar parts over the top, then work in flourishes and such from the other unit. 8 parts seems to me would get muddy unless you are talking about distinct parts of a song rather than continuous overdubbing. I use an acoustic guitar for the most part ( with about a zillion effects, however ) Mike Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 5 23:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18774; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:28:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:28:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705202829.02e51d98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:29:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper cencus In-Reply-To: <003401c22462$7440bd70$0af8c440@g0wn7> References: <17d.a9ee020.2a5613e0@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020705190605.01fcd408@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:27 PM 7/5/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >"There are always people listening to what is said here." > >i stand...er, sit actually...corrected. it's good to know that the >manufacturers are listening. > >perhaps the edp's extensive and highly-useful features can be attributed to >the software designer's being ACTIVE members of this list... that is one part of it, yes. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 01:25:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26016; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:24:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:24:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:24:00 -0700 Subject: Re: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8-OBH.A.WWG.57nJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me lord...] and I am >looking for a delay unit that has delay time controlled on-the-fly by an >expression pedal, be it MIDI or CV based, as well as the ability to "sample" >live from my guitar signal. There are a million little stomp delay pedals on >the market, but I need to be able to change the delay time without bending >over to tweak knobs or doing some weird foot stomping dance. > I don't care about the number of echoes/loops/layers[I always just use >one]-But I want to be able to control the "tempo"/delay-time by variabl>e >expression, NOT a tap-tempo stomp. > Can anyone recommend ANY Setup/unit that would enable one to >accomplish this feat with one's feet? Thus far the only suggestion I've had >was to use the out of production BigBriar MoogerFooger Analog delay with a >CV pedal, but they are both pricey pricey and somewhat scarce. . . Any >suggestions? >-TIA, --Roots The old Digitech Time Machines would let you do this via CV. And the ever-popular DL-4 also lets you assign delay time to a CV pedal. TH *** "One of the biggest problems, I think, with computers [is] that all of the designed energy is going into multiplying the options inside this box. Now, fine: that's wonderful, we're very pleased, in one sense; but the important thing, as anyone who's played synthesizers knows, is not the number of options that you have, but the rapport you can have with the instrument. This is why people playing crappy 35 year old electric guitars consistently come up with more interesting results, musically, than synthesizer players do. Because what you are thrilled by is not a new sound as such, but a new type of rapport that you feel. This is why there's a place for good players [and] why they don't disappear when sequencers suddenly come on the scene: because we still appreciate hearing that rapport. We feel that this is a musical activity. And these things [computers] as instruments are so pathetic. They depend so much on a kind of nerd's eye view of what sort of thing would be fun to do." --Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 02:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29885; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020706064959.76352.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: plugins as fx box To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know of any software that's specifically geared towards using VST plugins as a multi-effects box? I was told such a thing existed, but my source could not recall the name. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 03:00:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31531; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:59:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:59:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:59:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <43542B1D-9086-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9nhDy.A.fsH.kVpJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just out of curiosity... who uses pre-recorded loops extensively or exclusively for performances? i'm wondering if anyone out there does the kind of music that i do, i guess. everyone here seems mainly concerned with live instrumental sampling... i don't use any instruments, at least none of the 'common' instruments. i guess it's no surprise that i do dance and electronic music mainly. anyone else? paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 03:09:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32002; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:07:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:07:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <43542B1D-9086-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:05:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >just out of curiosity... who uses pre-recorded loops extensively or >exclusively for performances? > >i'm wondering if anyone out there does the kind of music that i do, i guess. >everyone here seems mainly concerned with live instrumental sampling... i >don't use any instruments, at least none of the 'common' instruments. > >i guess it's no surprise that i do dance and electronic music mainly. >anyone else? > >paul I've got the gizmos for it, but haven't seen anybody dj that way, so I have no idea what an actual performance demands (and what the audiences have come to expect.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 03:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01168; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:52:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:52:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c224c1$a3822a60$7b86143e@z3o2l3> From: "Björn Eriksson" To: References: <20020705231326.3242.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 09:49:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA01124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I completely agree. mp3.com sucks a big dirty butt. > it's the only place I can think of to start a free > station at the moment. If anyone else can suggest a > better place, by all means do. > You can start a shoutcast radio station. If you're on PC you need: WinAmp, Shoutcast source plugin, Shoutcast DNAS server. These are all free. You can send live as well as prepared playlists. The station is only "hearable" when you have your machines running. I've made a short "HOW TO stream audio live" at the bulletin board at Tapegerm Collective (Technical Talk) at www.tapegerm.com Yours, Björn Eriksson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 04:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03993; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:45:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:45:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 03:44:22 -0500 From: Skip Subject: Re: plugins as fx box In-reply-to: <20020706064959.76352.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com VSTi host: http://www.defectiverecords.com/vstihost/findex.html Spark: http://www.tcworks.de/home/content/en/Welcome/render_top both for Mac, though. -12 > From: Ernesto Schnack > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 23:49:59 -0700 (PDT) > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: plugins as fx box > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:50:40 -0400 > > Does anyone know of any software that's > specifically geared towards using VST plugins as > a multi-effects box? I was told such a thing > existed, but my source could not recall the name. > > Ernesto > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 04:47:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04242; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:46:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:46:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <125.1321adf5.2a580828@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:45:28 EDT Subject: Re: plugins as fx box To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. Here are a few: http://www.spinaudio.com/press/pr_asiofxproc.html http://www.plogue.com/bidule/ http://www.audiomulch.com/ Marc In a message dated 7/6/02 2:50:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, e_schnack@yahoo.com writes: > Does anyone know of any software that's > specifically geared towards using VST plugins as > a multi-effects box? I was told such a thing > existed, but my source could not recall the name. > > Ernesto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 05:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06143; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 05:11:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 05:11:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c224cd$0c276840$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <739EEDEA-9086-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: LooperRadio Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:10:59 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah, I just think it's not right to support a basic cartel that manipulates the Law for the sole purpose of wiping out their competition. I'll wait to hear how justifiable the Big Five's actions have been. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 03:16 AM Subject: Re: LooperRadio > Yeah Kim, could you please keep your opinions to yourself? Christ. > What kind of moderator are you anyway? Oh yeah, you're not a > moderator... you just pay the bills to keep this going. Well, you > should know better. > > Mark Sarcasticlaro > > On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 07:06 PM, AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/5/2002 6:31:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > > > > > > As your stance on this has been a given for some time this is sadly > > predictable, and a bit beneath what one expects of an otherwise > > objective > > list moderator. > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm, ya know, I think Kim's response made really perfect sense. > > > > & I also think that maybe it is not beath anyone to have their own > > opinions. > > > > Perhaps it is a bit harsh to think that those who disagree with you are > > beaneath objectvity cuz - maybe - there are other ways of seeing an > > issue in which you are still objective without making it so personal. > > > > But speaking of radio stations @ mp3.com ahemmmmmmm... > > > > We gots some mighty fine listenin' goin on here @ all 4 > > AKASHRADIO Stations. > > > > Please feel free to add whatever music you would like from AKASH > > ( there are now over 50 songs by AKASH online @ mp3 ) or any other > > artist featured on our AKASHRADIO playlists. > > > > Theres somethin for everyone: > > > > mp3.com/stations/akashradio : dark ambient, electronica, noise with > > jazz + more > > mp3.com/stations/akashradio2 : mostly j-pop from japan > > mp3.com/stations/akashradio3 : noise, drones and moocho ear splitting > > madness > > mp3.com/stations/akashradio4 : free jazz, avant garde improv and more > > > > "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" > > JP/AKASH > > "The World's Most Erotic Band" > > http://www.akashmusic.com > > http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 08:51:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14957; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014b01c224eb$a2b0b780$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020705025119.35208.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020705140420.0316d9a8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Request for Linux and Mac Users Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:47:57 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9NoeWD.A.YpD.uduJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As some might know I've been publishing the Loop of the Week at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios since 1996. Some especially from this list have asked in the past if I would allow others to utilize this technology to mount their own loops, and I have up until recently been hesitant to do so. While it is at this time intended to make the apparatus I use to make these self-executing loops available to the public for a more-than-reasonable license, I can't let my background in software development/QA go to the winds here, and therefore need to have it tested on other than Windows platforms. And so, if any of yez running Linux or Macs (if they're capable of running Windows EXEs) could help with this please download and run the self-executing EXE from my Studios site, URL'ed above and below. Or contact me separate from the list at spgoodman@earthlight.net. Thanks in advance! Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 09:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17611; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 09:32:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 09:32:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 06:16:25 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00fb01c224ef$55cbd2c0$aa9bae40@justman> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <2KLQj.A.2SE.yEvJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MFooger would work, but the delay time is short. sounds really good through. I love mine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roojah Amighty" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? > > I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me lord...] and I am > looking for a delay unit that has delay time controlled on-the-fly by an > expression pedal, be it MIDI or CV based, as well as the ability to "sample" > live from my guitar signal. There are a million little stomp delay pedals on > the market, but I need to be able to change the delay time without bending > over to tweak knobs or doing some weird foot stomping dance. > I don't care about the number of echoes/loops/layers[I always just use > one]-But I want to be able to control the "tempo"/delay-time by variable > expression, NOT a tap-tempo stomp. > Can anyone recommend ANY Setup/unit that would enable one to > accomplish this feat with one's feet? Thus far the only suggestion I've had > was to use the out of production BigBriar MoogerFooger Analog delay with a > CV pedal, but they are both pricey pricey and somewhat scarce. . . Any > suggestions? > -TIA, --Roots > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 11:10:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22990; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:09:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:09:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.185.84.78] From: "richard dyson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vst multi fx Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:08:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 15:08:24.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[F97717E0:01C224FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does anyone know of any software that's >specifically geared towards using VST plugins as >a multi-effects box? I was told such a thing >existed, but my source could not recall the name. > >Ernesto not specifically, but audiomulch yesterday announced asio drivers which bring latency down to a useable level depending on yr soundcard, and improved midi sync though i haven't tested that yet....chain however many plug ins you want off the sound in....it can handle vstis & has some wacky granular effects, delays & a drum machine. great for loop mangling or sound creation. with the new asio drivers this is very powerful coupled with a midi controller. www.audiomulch.com cheers Richard _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 11:52:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23907; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:36:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:36:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014b01c224eb$a2b0b780$0201a8c0@eluk> References: <20020705025119.35208.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020705140420.0316d9a8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:32:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Request for Linux and Mac Users Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And so, if any of yez running Linux or Macs (if they're capable of running >Windows EXEs) MacOS itself doesn't run "EXE"s. Windows under VirtualPC (for instance) under MacOS can, but I don't think that's what you're after. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 12:29:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26342; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:13:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c22507$f2afc700$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020705025119.35208.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020705140420.0316d9a8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Request for Linux and Mac Users Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:12:36 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 16:32 PM Subject: Re: Request for Linux and Mac Users > > > >And so, if any of yez running Linux or Macs (if they're capable of running > >Windows EXEs) > > MacOS itself doesn't run "EXE"s. Windows under VirtualPC (for instance) > under MacOS can, but I don't think that's what you're after. Yeah, that's it. After all, the PowerPC Macs have been with us since 1995 or so, haven't they? Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 13:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29686; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:01:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:00:39 -0700 Subject: VST Hardware? (was Re: plugins as fx box) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's another question: Is there any hardware, like a rack mountable box, that's designed to use VST effects with very low latency? Not a rack mounted PC, but just something that's solely designed to be used as an effects processor. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 6, 2002, at 01:44 AM, Skip wrote: > VSTi host: > > http://www.defectiverecords.com/vstihost/findex.html > > Spark: > > http://www.tcworks.de/home/content/en/Welcome/render_top > > both for Mac, though. > > -12 > > >> From: Ernesto Schnack >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 23:49:59 -0700 (PDT) >> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: plugins as fx box >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:50:40 -0400 >> >> Does anyone know of any software that's >> specifically geared towards using VST plugins as >> a multi-effects box? I was told such a thing >> existed, but my source could not recall the name. >> >> Ernesto >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 13:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29767; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:01:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:01:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2722BB.541AD6EC@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:02:51 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: plugins as fx box References: <125.1321adf5.2a580828@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's another that looks interesting: Check out RT Player Pro from D Sound. http://www.barryrudolph.com/ingear/gear/dsoundrtplayer.html gary@ friendlyspider.com RandomLFO@aol.com wrote: > Hello. Here are a few: > http://www.spinaudio.com/press/pr_asiofxproc.html > http://www.plogue.com/bidule/ > http://www.audiomulch.com/ > Marc > > In a message dated 7/6/02 2:50:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > e_schnack@yahoo.com writes: > > > Does anyone know of any software that's > > specifically geared towards using VST plugins as > > a multi-effects box? I was told such a thing > > existed, but my source could not recall the name. > > > > Ernesto @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 13:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31360; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:35:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:35:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020706173517.60447.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Help! Using Repeater CFC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207051839.OAA09868@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:31:25 +0200 From: "Robert van der Kamp" i'm glad this question came up now as i just bought a repeater...figured now was the time to join up if at all... and i probably would have been scratching my head over this issue in particular! thanks phil >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Help! Using Repeater CFC >Are you shure you have selected a card loop number? >Memory loops have a ' marc in front of the number, >card loops don't. >Turn the loop knob to select a card loop. > - Robert ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 14:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00994; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:00:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:00:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:59:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 17:59:50.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC3EC4C0:01C22516] Resent-Message-ID: <_TUps.A.CP.1AzJ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul, I do ....I play live improvisations (like most loopers seem to do) for the most part but for some pieces will use a pre-recorded 'bed' loop (drones, beatz, vox samples, sonic ephemera) to build upon or as a segue between live pieces. I play them off my ibook. My music is ambient soundscaping so this all works well for me in cooking up a tasty recipe with the occassional disaster errupting from time to time - but I'm quite partial to happy accidents. I inhabit a performance regime that stradles DJ-ing and live in-the-moment composition....well that's the plan - or lack thereof. The outcome is never the same twice and I like the indeterminacy of the process. I just acquired a copy of MAX so I'm trying to get my head into it and plan to utilize it at some point in the future. Terry www.anomalousdisturbances.com >From: "Paul Weissman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops >Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:59:36 -0700 > > >just out of curiosity... who uses pre-recorded loops extensively or >exclusively for performances? > >i'm wondering if anyone out there does the kind of music that i do, i >guess. >everyone here seems mainly concerned with live instrumental sampling... i >don't use any instruments, at least none of the 'common' instruments. > >i guess it's no surprise that i do dance and electronic music mainly. >anyone else? > >paul _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 14:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02582; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:41:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:41:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c2251d$07b1b040$e3981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: VST Hardware? (was Re: plugins as fx box) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:43:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope, there is no such a things as a VST hardware effect unit or similar. All you have to do is a get a laptop or rackmountable PC/MAC and Windows or MacOS for it. There is a VST host's that acts like a Effect engine where you can get effects etc. connected. I use some of effects live as a effect only, I dont run Cubase or other app with it, only this SpinAudio's ASIO FX host. VST instruments are designed to work with windows or macos and in Intel/AMD style processor or on mac Motorola's prosessor.... .jukka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: VST Hardware? (was Re: plugins as fx box) > Here's another question: Is there any hardware, like a rack mountable > box, that's designed to use VST effects with very low latency? Not a > rack mounted PC, but just something that's solely designed to be used as > an effects processor. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, July 6, 2002, at 01:44 AM, Skip wrote: > > > VSTi host: > > > > http://www.defectiverecords.com/vstihost/findex.html > > > > Spark: > > > > http://www.tcworks.de/home/content/en/Welcome/render_top > > > > both for Mac, though. > > > > -12 > > > > > >> From: Ernesto Schnack > >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 23:49:59 -0700 (PDT) > >> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: plugins as fx box > >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:50:40 -0400 > >> > >> Does anyone know of any software that's > >> specifically geared towards using VST plugins as > >> a multi-effects box? I was told such a thing > >> existed, but my source could not recall the name. > >> > >> Ernesto > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > >> http://sbc.yahoo.com > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 16:03:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07044; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:47:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:47:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 14:35:35 -0700 From: glenn Subject: OT: gear for sale(yamaha cp-70B) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for pimping this Yamaha electric grand piano on the forum, desperate for moola at the moment! Please let me know if interested, pic is here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=892004617 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 16:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09381; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:06:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020706130250.00b1ef70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:06:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping, on stage, a 2 minute song part by part? In-Reply-To: References: <7EDF484E-9044-11D6-B751-003065713EDA@alexweinstein.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:50 AM 7/5/2002, Andrew Pask wrote: > > I have a performance in a few weeks, where I would love to be able to > > perform a piece for 5 guitars, one part at a time. > > > > The piece is about 2 minutes long... and with all the parts in place I > > would be looping at least 8 minutes worth of music, possibly 10. > > > > Any advice? Hardware vs. Software? > >Wow. Not wishing to be the wet blanket _too_ much, but that is asking quite >a lot, especially for a few weeks. > >This sort of thing would be difficult enough to do in a studio, let alone a >live performance, and I think that the main problem, even if you could solve >all the technical gear issues would be one of synchronisation between the >recorded parts - not ending up with a big mess.Any deviation from strict >time would be virtually impossible to play tightly with on the next pass. I don't think what he is looking for is such a complicated thing at all. this is pretty straightforward to do on a repeater or echoplex, or even a jamman. People do this same sort of thing all the time. Just use the basic features of overdub, multiply, and maybe multiple loops and loop copies depending on the piece. Pretty easy. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 16:36:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10634; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:35:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:35:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020706143534.00a1c200@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 14:35:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: I know, I'll start a war! In-Reply-To: <20020701062848.89348.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <60611433-8CB5-11D6-BEF3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, I run in stereo all the time, with many different effects and such. -I.E. Panning, delay, reverb and such. I'll use a mono looper in a pinch, but really enjoy having stereo. I think it can add alot to a piece when used creatively. -just my thoughts... Smiles, G-Girl At 11:28 PM 6/30/02 -0700, you wrote: >Maybe I'm just stuck in dumb-guitar-player mode, but >here's a question I've been wanting to ask for years. > >What are you looping when you are stereo looping? > >I understand wanting 2 or more EDPs or a Repeater >to do multitrack loops, but what are you guys/gals >doing that requires the loop, as created, to be >stereo? > >John > > >--- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Sometimes I just want a great sounding stereo >> looper that's very >> simple to operate. Is that so wrong? Maybe the >> answer is "both." >> >> Mark > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 17:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14491; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Repeater tricks Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:43:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c22536$1ee9dda0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2129ECB4-8FE8-11D6-95B6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark- Just a note- I tested my 3 different Korg Electribes with clock from the Repeater and found 2 different things. 1. - Any midi Thru chains longer than 2 devices introduces noticeable timing fluxuations. 2. - The ES-1 Tempo based delay never glitches, the ER-1 Tempo delay glitches some, and the Ea-1 glitches but far less once I used an old Motu midi box in the following way (It has 2 In to 2 out each): Repeater clock to In A, Out A 1 to ES-1 (thru to router/another band member's Repeater), then Out A #2 feeds into In B- which now gives me 2 more tight clock outputs from the Rptr from the 2 B outputs. Those outputs go to numerous other devices thus keeping all my thru chains down to only 2 devices and everything gets a better clock. Granted, I still get EA-1 glitches and occasional Mo-Fx glitches- but nothing like I used to get- and all for a very cheap price (I paid $30 for the Motu) It is obviously a 2 sided problem- Korg created an ES-1 that handles the clock fine, yet their other boxes do not. I guess it is a combination of not-so-great clock and different recievers. I wish they all had the ES-1 specs in that one aspect. Maybe this info could help you in your setup- Cliff > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:24 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater tricks > > Yeah, don't hold your breath on bug fixes. Got an email from Lisa at > Electrix and after she yelled at me for being critical of Electrix on > this forum, she informed me that they're will not be an update of the > OS. Nice. We've got no right to be mad, just because we bought a > product that doesn't work as it was spec'd to. They had a hard time, so > be nice. > > I just wish I could use it's MIDI clock out. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 17:44:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14768; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:43:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:43:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:44:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3D237B4000001912@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA14739 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul, I use looping in both ways... In some 'configurations of players' I create loops using live material, but in another (one that I have been working with more recently) I use prerecorded material... The tool I use to deliver these loops is Acid... My mode is to 'semi-randomly' pull in samples, lay them into the time space I want them to play, and then bring them into the piece... I'll also use pitch shifting to create dynamics with an individual 'sample track'... For me, the 'trick' top keeping it interesting is to be changing the tracks extremely often, fading old ones out, fading new ones in, etc... Otherewise (as with all looping music) it can quickly become stale... Of course, the other thing I do to keep it 'fresh' is to do this along with other musicians playing live (Mark when are you going to come down and play?!?! :)... I'd love to chat about this technique more, if anyone is interested... As time goes on, it become more apparent to me that Acid is not the perfect tool for what I am doing, and while I gave Live a quick test run, it did not seem to lend itself to what I am doing either, although that might be because I am 'stuck' on the techniques I've developed with Acid, so I want to go back and give that another try... I'm hoping the next version of Acid will allow me to do some of the things I want to, like automate a crossfade between tracks, etc... blah.. blah... blah... :) peace -cpr p.s. Some examples of what I am doing with Acid can be found at: www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine >-- Original Message -- >From: "Paul Weissman" >To: >Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops >Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:59:36 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >just out of curiosity... who uses pre-recorded loops extensively or >exclusively for performances? > >i'm wondering if anyone out there does the kind of music that i do, i guess. >everyone here seems mainly concerned with live instrumental sampling... i >don't use any instruments, at least none of the 'common' instruments. > >i guess it's no surprise that i do dance and electronic music mainly. >anyone else? > >paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 6 21:56:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31947; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:55:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <135.10d89f73.2a58f948@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:54:16 EDT Subject: Re: VST Hardware? (was Re: plugins as fx box) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if someone developed one for VST plugs yet, but I do remember that someone is making a box that will run Yamaha cards. What kind of functionality this gives one I do not know. There is also the SoundArt Chameleon and DSP Arts' Tauron. I don't know how much has been developed yet for these 2 devices. Of course Creamware just put out a new keyboard that runs their plugs. Then there's always KYMA... (if you can afford it) It does seem to me that the best way to go if you want focus on using VST and/or DX plugs as processors live is to buy a laptop. Marc In a message dated 07/06/2002 10:01:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Here's another question: Is there any hardware, like a rack mountable > box, that's designed to use VST effects with very low latency? Not a > rack mounted PC, but just something that's solely designed to be used as > an effects processor. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 13:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18383; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c225d9$5b29eb40$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents dreamSTATE with Steven Sauve + General Chaos Visuals Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:11:38 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 9th - dreamSTATE with Steven Sauve and General Chaos Visuals dreamSTATE (ambient electronic artists Scott M2 & Jamie Todd) return for their 3rd annual live encounter with special guest synthesist Steven Sauve (karmafarm). Improvisations based around a drone note of F# will travel from deepspace soundscapes to interlocking clockwork grooves, as the trio create new instant-compositions & remulch, twist & elasticise concepts initiated in their original Clockwork Drone show in July 2000. General Chaos Visuals will add their outstanding analog projections to create an evolving ambient light environment for the night. http://www.dreamSTATE.to - http://www.karmafarm.ca Between Sets CD - "Rainbow Dome Musick" (side 1) by Steve Hillage This classic musical sound environment CD was created as installation music for the Rainbow Dome at the Mind-Body-Spirit Olympia in London April 21-29 1979. Side 1 - "Garden Of Paradise" features the rippling analog sequencer work of Hillage's partner Miquette Giraudy. (Blue Plate) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 16th - Matt Borghi and Pholde (Knurl) http://www.mattborghi.com http://www.theambientping.com/pholde/home.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient and experimental performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 15:06:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25482; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:01:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:01:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:00:54 -0700 Subject: SF area Gig spam TONIGHT 7/7/02! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705202829.02e51d98@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Sorry for the short notice, but I just booked a little ambient show at: Java Rama Cafe Alameda CA it's on Park St and Alameda Ave. I'll be starting at 8:00 PM. Totally free. No beats, just guitar/synth loops, very ambient. I'm using this as a dry run for the Santa Cruz Loopfest show. see ya there, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 15:34:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26562; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:30:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:29:43 -0500 Subject: OT: EFC-7 on ebay (again) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ebay yanked my auction because i had stipulated a 3% increase if paypal is used... so, it's back up and the reserve is only 50 bucks. thanks for tolerating the gear-spam. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 16:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29235; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:03:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:03:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:02:46 -0700 Subject: Mystery gear spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <813DF217-91E4-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, You'd probably do better if you add the manufacturer and what it is you're selling in the subject of the email. What are you selling? Do I have to do a Google search to find out? By then it may be too late. Some stuff (Like an EDP or a DL4) is probably common enough to name by model number only, but EFC-7? Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 01:29 PM, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > ebay yanked my auction because i had stipulated a 3% > increase if paypal is used... > > so, it's back up and the reserve is only 50 bucks. > > thanks for tolerating the gear-spam. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 16:55:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31848; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:54:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Mystery gear spam Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry... GIBSON ECHOPLEX EFC-7 footcontroller for the edp. i just assumed (erroneously) that all on the list would be familiar with the edp and all it's peripherals. it's in 100% perfect condition, fwiw. thanks again for the toleration. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 17:08:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01742; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:07:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:07:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:09:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: SF area Gig spam TONIGHT 7/7/02! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey, > >Sorry for the short notice, but I just booked a little ambient show at: > >Java Rama Cafe >Alameda CA > >it's on Park St and Alameda Ave. I'll be starting at 8:00 PM. >Totally free. No beats, just guitar/synth loops, very ambient. I'm >using this as a dry run for the Santa Cruz Loopfest show. > Wow, a little blast from the past for me. 10-12 years ago, there was a little coffee shop here in Corvallis, OR, called Java Rama, that was very friendly to interesting music. Played many weird and fun gigs there, saw even more, it was a very cool scene while it lasted. We're still lacking a venue with that kind of open-minded attitude. Anyway, good luck with the show! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 18:02:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05036; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D28B946.8030609@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 23:57:26 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vst rack References: <200207072055.QAA31925@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1Zm6D.A.jOB.-nLK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com " Here's another question: Is there any hardware, like a rack mountable box, that's designed to use VST effects with very low latency? Not a rack mounted PC, but just something that's solely designed to be used as an effects processor." Funny you mention that. I was waking up three days ago, and i remmebered a dream where I had a machine (looked more like a big line 6 pedal in fact) that was a little thing designed to run VST effects. You would hook it to a computer, arrange sets of programs (memory 1 would be a pro five with a delayifier...) etc etc. Trouble in my dream was the machine would work with PC not macs (No.......and I use Apple machines) So I had a gig and could not run the set properly (talk about stupid dreams). BUT BUT BUT The idea never occured to me before. And I thought "the first guy that can do it is a sure winner" I started to plot a few things myself. It is definitely a good idea, but I don't see how it can be but a PC in a samll box with an serious amount of memory... Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 18:46:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07522; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:45:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:45:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:45:32 -0700 Subject: Re: vst rack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D28B946.8030609@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <3E86C4BA-91FB-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I imagine it could be just that, with a serious sound card. Would need a tiny, but readable monitor and some sort of way to control it. Mark On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 02:57 PM, o.malhomme wrote: > It is definitely a good idea, but I don't see how it can be but a PC in > a samll box with an serious amount of memory... > > > Olivier > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 20:22:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13558; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:21:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:21:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:21:05 -0700 Subject: Controlling an EDP with a FCP1010? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D237B4000001912@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <976BE27E-9208-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <5LLBbD.A.uTD.zrNK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, I'm on the edge of an EDP purchase, and I have a question, Do I need the Echoplex pedal, or could I totally get by with my Behringer FCP1010? It's a floor space issue. I'm out of it. What are the pluses? Drawbacks? Thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 20:31:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14245; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:31:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:31:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Controlling an EDP with a FCP1010? Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:30:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c22616$b9a48c60$a307f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <976BE27E-9208-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Mark Sottilaro wrote: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15387; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:55:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020707185529.00a6be00@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:55:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops In-Reply-To: References: <43542B1D-9086-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm planning on using my own pre-recorded loops quite extensively for an upcomming performance, and adding to, and playing with, them live, having them evolve dynamically. Smiles, G-Girl At 11:59 PM 7/5/02 -0700, you wrote: > >just out of curiosity... who uses pre-recorded loops extensively or >exclusively for performances? > >i'm wondering if anyone out there does the kind of music that i do, i guess. >everyone here seems mainly concerned with live instrumental sampling... i >don't use any instruments, at least none of the 'common' instruments. > >i guess it's no surprise that i do dance and electronic music mainly. >anyone else? > >paul > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 21:07:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17267; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:06:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:06:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c2261b$aeb40100$2161f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207072055.QAA31924@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K2 LOOPFEST (3rd Annual Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival) Official Website is up: Check it out!!! Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:06:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi fellow loopers, Thanks to the expert graphic/website skills of fellow looper (and performer at LoopFest) Mark Sottilaro, we now have an official website for the Y2K2 LOOPFEST!!!! Check it out.........We're going to have so much fun and it is so very, very cool that everyone is dedicating their performances to saving the historic Cayuga Vault in Santa Cruz. Yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 21:22:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17900; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:21:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:21:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.1073060c.2a5a42d8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:20:24 EDT Subject: christy doran To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15a.1073060c.2a5a42d8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15a.1073060c.2a5a42d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy Loopy People, Anyone familiar w/ guitarist Christy Doran? I have a cd of his w/ a drummer and a clarinetist called ADD that is pretty cool. Christy does some interesting looping. Anyone know what he uses to loop with? Any info would be appreciated. Take care, PJ --part1_15a.1073060c.2a5a42d8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy Loopy People,
                                 Anyone familiar w/ guitarist Christy Doran? I have a cd of his w/ a drummer and a clarinetist called ADD that is pretty cool. Christy does some interesting looping. Anyone know what he uses to loop with? Any info would be appreciated.             Take care, PJ --part1_15a.1073060c.2a5a42d8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 7 23:34:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25268; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:29:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:29:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.2a8d2a44.2a5a60d1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:28:17 EDT Subject: Re: vst rack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This discussion makes me think of the Wavedigital Microwave PC. If you're not familiar with it, it is basically a PIII that will fit in the palm of your hand. They still have a pitcure of it in the lower left corner of thier Website, but I couldn't find any info about it. I did inquire about it this past spring. At that point, they were still selling it, but it was kinda pricey. Who knows, maybe they will eventually drop the price of it. Marc In a message dated 7/7/02 6:00:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, malhommeo@wanadoo.fr writes: > " Here's another question: Is there any hardware, like a rack mountable > box, that's designed to use VST effects with very low latency? Not a > rack mounted PC, but just something that's solely designed to be used as > an effects processor." > > Funny you mention that. > I was waking up three days ago, and i remmebered a dream where I had a > machine (looked more like a big line 6 pedal in fact) that was a little > thing designed to run VST effects. > You would hook it to a computer, arrange sets of programs (memory 1 > would be a pro five with a delayifier...) etc etc. > Trouble in my dream was the machine would work with PC not macs > (No.......and I use Apple machines) So I had a gig and could not run > the set properly (talk about stupid dreams). > BUT BUT BUT > The idea never occured to me before. > And I thought "the first guy that can do it is a sure winner" > I started to plot a few things myself. > It is definitely a good idea, but I don't see how it can be but a PC in > a samll box with an serious amount of memory... > > > Olivier > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 03:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05592; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:17:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:17:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c2261c$e097f4f0$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <15a.1073060c.2a5a42d8@aol.com> Subject: Re: christy doran Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 02:14:56 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C22625.412ABAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9feD8.A.GXB.rxTK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C22625.412ABAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you might want to think about decreasing your font size in your mails to = the list...it's a bit of a pain to have to scroll down just to read a = single sentence.=20 ; ) -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C22625.412ABAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you might want to think about decreasing your font = size in=20 your mails to the list...it's a bit of a pain to have to scroll down = just to=20 read a single sentence.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C22625.412ABAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 03:32:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06065; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:31:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:31:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c2261e$d7f1fd30$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <976BE27E-9208-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Controlling an EDP with a FCP1010? Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 02:29:01 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can you send control changes from the behringer? the edp recognizes something like #'s 38-45 as the main functions and you can control the feedback/output volume with the expression pedal (if it has one built in) which will require a dedicated control number...i think... sorry i can't be more specific as i'm completely unfamiliar with the behringer unit. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 06:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15533; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:35:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:35:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c2266b$1143d710$8d2793d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <976BE27E-9208-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Controlling an EDP with a FCP1010? Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:34:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_2OG-.A.6xD.2rWK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hey kids, > > I'm on the edge of an EDP purchase, and I have a question, Do I need the > Echoplex pedal, or could I totally get by with my Behringer FCP1010? > It's a floor space issue. I'm out of it. What are the pluses? > Drawbacks? Mark wanna bet ? You will order one 3-5 weeks after you got your edp so get it today Its essential for serious use and you are a power user have a nice day Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 07:20:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19209; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:19:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:19:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D297536.36FBE007@turino.ch> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:19:19 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: jesus@turino.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: christy doran References: <15a.1073060c.2a5a42d8@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------77AF502819C521C99520E9EA" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------77AF502819C521C99520E9EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi pj christys homepage -> http://www.christydoran.ch/ & his new band -> http://www.newbag.ch check them out, they're "quite cool" =E4hhhm, yes: theres always an echoplex on stage ... maybe he's a LOOOPER= ? later-, jes=FAs PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > Howdy Loopy People, > Anyone familiar w/ guitarist Christy > Doran? I have a cd of his w/ a drummer and a clarinetist called ADD > that is pretty cool. Christy does some interesting looping. Anyone > know what he uses to loop with? Any info would be > appreciated. Take care, PJ --------------77AF502819C521C99520E9EA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi pj

christys homepage -> http://www.christydoran.ch/
& his new band ->  http://www.newbag.ch
check them out, they're "quite cool"

ähhhm, yes: theres always an echoplex on stage ... maybe he's a LOOOPER?

later-, jesús
 

PJBMHB@aol.com wrote:

Howdy Loopy People,
                                 Anyone familiar w/ guitarist Christy Doran? I have a cd of his w/ a drummer and a clarinetist called ADD that is pretty cool. Christy does some interesting looping. Anyone know what he uses to loop with? Any info would be appreciated.             Take care, PJ
--------------77AF502819C521C99520E9EA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 09:46:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27549; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: UD Stomp...was RE: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:44:58 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 07/08/2002 09:44:59 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm working with a UD Stomp these days, and it will allow delay time to be controlled with an expression pedal. It doesn't create pitch shifts as you do this, BUT it can create little clicks as you sweep the time. It's also a pretty neat footswitchable looper, max time 5.5 sec, but it excells at multi-tap rhythmic looping and crossfading between different delay times and patterns. I'm posting a patch set with audio examples of this kind of thing on the Yamaha website soon (probably after NAMM). I'll notify the list when it's up, and will do a looper's review of the thing ASAP. All told, it's pretty cool, if your looping (or mangling) tastes run to delays as opposed to samplers. It's a bank of delays only, but these can be made to do volume boosts, tone shifts and wahs, glassy reverbs, and of course, all sorts of flangy, chorusy sweeping or static resonances, groans and shimmers. David Coffin "Gary Lehmann" hlink.net> cc: Subject: RE: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? 07/05/2002 10:13 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight I actually have a pedal (in the equipment burial unit aka storage) which is a unholy union of the 2 sec Digitech delay pedal (PDS 2000?) and my old Morley electrostatic delay foot pedal/controller--with this you can control all the functions of the Digitech with pedal controls--talk about FSU--It might need some love however . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Gary Phillips [mailto:gary@friendlyspider.com] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? I know the new Yamaha UD Stomp would do the the job, but it may be a little pricey... but I bet it sounds great. I have the DG and AG Stomp boxes and I really like them. They all have expression pedal inputs that are fully configurable. Anybody had a chance to try out the UD Stomp yet...? -- gary @friendlyspider.com Roojah Amighty wrote: > I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me lord...] and I am > looking for a delay unit that has delay time controlled on-the-fly by an > expression pedal, be it MIDI or CV based, as well as the ability to "sample" > live from my guitar signal. There are a million little stomp delay pedals on > the market, but I need to be able to change the delay time without bending > over to tweak knobs or doing some weird foot stomping dance. > I don't care about the number of echoes/loops/layers[I always just use > one]-But I want to be able to control the "tempo"/delay-time by variable > expression, NOT a tap-tempo stomp. > Can anyone recommend ANY Setup/unit that would enable one to > accomplish this feat with one's feet? Thus far the only suggestion I've had > was to use the out of production BigBriar MoogerFooger Analog delay with a > CV pedal, but they are both pricey pricey and somewhat scarce. . . Any > suggestions? > -TIA, --Roots > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 09:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27908; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <156.10767da7.2a5af2e5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:51:33 EDT Subject: Re: vst rack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. For those interested in a computer based VSTi/DXi host, I just got this from the Plogue (Bidule) list today.http://www.console.jp/screen.html C O N S O L E . J P - TOP PAGE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:00:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08841; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020613184223.22207.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020613184223.22207.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater OS issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you EDP users agree with Gregs point? : >3) it appeared that there was a >substantial learning curve associated with being able to use an EDP >effectively. if that is true I completely failed. It seems very easy to press-play-press and then overdub with the second button and fade with FB. Other functions are usefull but not needed to make great music. And even those are easy to grab. It only becomes more complicated if you want to sync or use parameters... but for this the Repeater is not simpler either, is it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08672; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:59:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D07CE3B.16712734@earthlink.net> References: <3D07CE3B.16712734@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Styles and Limits (was, long ago: Repeater vs EDP) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like a lot what you say here, Andree, as I like all you say anyway ;-) ...and all that has been said in this thread, it makes me cry how friends defend my dirty old work on the Mac+. Yes limits are necessary, but where should they come from? - Technology? - The selection by the creator of the tool? - By a consense of the users? - By each user? The last option seems to be the most atractive, but it means that the user has to test all options to select, and for this he has to study a lot of parameters, so most may be too lazy. History made that the EDPs limits are mostly given by the old technology and for non MIDI users by the decision to do it all with seven buttons. How many more can you handle? Do you want a page oriented free programming of the keys functions as the MIDI pedals alow it for you now? Yes, I did select: For example, on the EDP hardware, I could program a four track looper without feedback and volume control. But since I would not find it fun, I did not do it. But: Once we can overcome the technical limits, we can develop a software that implements everybodys wishes, but will anybody still understand its operation? The InterfaceModes started to be created by the users. Andy Butler litteraly created Flip mode from nothing but understanding a table of mine and playing with it in his mind until he suggested the one he wanted and it worked in about three attempts! Now, he may be a rather extraordinay person, but there may be more of those, especially if we manage to offer some kind of developpers manual. In the future. For now, you can select a InterfaceMode, select other parameters that fit to your use and save it as a preset. If this preset is called by a preset of the MIDIpedal which contains a set of functions for the foot switches, this defines pretty freely what the buttons do and when. If others offer their work as Andre does and we develop this into some data base, a newcomer can listen through samples and select the InterfaceMode/Preset/Style he wants to start his looping experience on. >At the risk of sounding like an idealistic optimist, my advice would be >to look at the Repeater in terms of what it CAN do, as opposed to what >it CAN'T do. That doesn't mean people shouldn't push for additional >features, or relay any frustrations with the current OS to the >designers. What it means, to me, is that it's a different instrument >with a unique feature set. If there's a lesson to be learned from the >EDP in that regard, I'd say that it's important to explore the features >that are already in a unit, just as much as asking for new features that >aren't in there yet. > >NO looper can do everything, and if there was one that COULD, I think >it'd be awfully difficult to decide what to do with it in the first >place. :) > >> To hear how passionate people are about this box >> really highlights my ignorance in the unit, >> and feeling embarrassed for saying what I did. > >Well, I spent the first two years of this list highlighting my own >ignorance about countless things, so I'm well ahead of you in the >self-induced public embarassment department. ;) > >Take care, > >--Andre LaFosse >http://www.altruistmusic.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09424; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703182733.00b6be48@pop.charter.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703180330.00b6c180@pop.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020703182733.00b6be48@pop.charter.net> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP rebooting (EPROM exchange) problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <--TP2C.A.HMC.RUcK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would recommend going down to Radio Shack or some other >electronics shop and getting a tool that's specially made for >pulling chips. With a couple of those chips, there's not really any >room to get in there with a screwdriver, and you won't be able to >pull them with your fingertips (I tried - once). call me an amateur, but I do it without, for years, hundreds of EPROM exchanges... for me there is enough space under the chip to insert a screwdriver. Coming from the left, the processors socket serves as a support for it and then I slide it totally under the chip to loosen the other end... and I always recycle the EPROM, so its possible without bending the pins... To set in the new EPROMs, I also have to be carefull not to bend one of the pins instead of inserting it. It depends on the angle they are bent to, because they come with "open legs" from the factory, so Kim has to bend them parallel. But naturally, you insert one row of the pins correctly first and then watch the other side and press the whole chip in position so all lets fit to their wholes. > >-Hans > > >At 18:23 03/07/2002, you wrote: >>Yeah, Hans is right- I ruined a Jam Man upgrade chip this way- "It takes a >>steeeady haand!" >> >>C >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "armatronix" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:06 PM >>Subject: Re: EDP rebooting problem >> >> >>> Mine was doing that too. Be very careful when removing the chips - it's >>> easy to bend/break the pins! >>> >>> -Hans >>> >>> >>> At 14:00 03/07/2002, you wrote: >>> >Try re-seating the EPROMS- my EDP was very unruly at one point and >>> >re-seating the chips solved the probs I was having. >>> > >>> >Cliff >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: kenn lowy >>> >To: >>> >>>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight >>.com >>> > >>> >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:57 PM >>> >Subject: EDP rebooting problem >>> > >>> >I have two Echoplexi. I just upgraded both of them to loop IV without a >>> >problem. A week later one of them, the older of the two (they are slaved >>> >for stereo use) keeps rebooting itself. Has anyone else seen this >>problem. >>> >I have a bad feeling it needs to be sent in for repair. >>> > >>> >kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik) >>> >>> >>> >>> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:01:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09229; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020702181954.30414.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020702181954.30414.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: stereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had quite some experiences with mono/stero, as a musician and sound engineer and I found: Its fundamental to have least the reverb stereo, otherwhise its a mess. Its always helpfull to do some paning because even a listener outside the stereo field can percieve it, unless there are no room reflexions at all. Mono on a stereo speaker setup creates ugly phase effects that improve a lot even with a random slight panning, because for every instrument the phase cancellations happen on a different spot, so the ear can distinguish them and does not suffer that pressure feeling of two mono speakers. If you have only one mono instrument and no reverb, join the two speakers into one corner. I never understood why anyone would pan one conga full right and the other full left and such. It sounds a bit strange in the stereo field and horrible outside of it. I only pan stereo effects fully L-R and keep mono sources close to, but not quite in the center. Autopaning sounds are fascinating, but such may distract from the music, depends on the intention. Usually the effect is great to express confusion or euphoria. Since I want to keep my looping rig as small as possible, I use only one EDP. The PCM80 output produces some nice stereo effects that I loose, because I prefer to have them mono instead of hearing them stereo first and the mono from the loop. The PCM90 creates reverb after the EDP and gives a nice feeling of space to everything. I did play with two EDPs and panned my melodies (on "Jejum" for example) and I like the result. But I find it difficult to remember to pan them right while improvising. >I need a stereo setup on stage badly because I need separation >of my main (usually rhythmic) loop and the lead/improvised parts. If >everything goes through a mono amp my solo will be lost especially over a >more massive, multi-layered background. Infact, I am using up to two >smaller (Gibson 10-16W) and one midsized amp (Fender Bassman or Dynachord >Bass King). Soundguys love stereo, it makes their job more important ;-) > >Andreas I am not sure what we should call stereo. Several instruments from several speakers probably not. So a loop that comes out of a different speaker than the realtime instrument probably not either, but it certainly helps for clarity! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:01:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09090; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <036601c222c1$ac360890$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <200207031338.AA1169817654@mail.unitcircle.com> <3D233D2C.D06E9ABC@zerocrossing.net> <036601c222c1$ac360890$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: MIDI syncing (Was: DL4 vs. Line6 Echo Pro) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis said: > > The Echo Pro *DOES NOT SYNCH TO MIDI* It can derive delay time from a >MIDI >> clock, but it won't truly synch to midi. If it did, I'd own one for sure. >As far as I know, >> only the EDP, Repeater, and JamMan will do this. > >Yes, I thought this was an odd omission for the Echo Pro. Sort of a >half-way MIDI impl. > >BTW: For the record, the LCK/Kyma fully syncs to MIDI so count it among the >EDP, Repeater, and Jamman. great! >And since I'm talking about it, you can easily >change the DL4, Boomerang, etc, models to make them fully MIDI-able too, if >you've ever wondered what that would be like. thats a strong statement! Do you say that you modelled all those units in KYMA? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09823; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D092BE9.3AD1AEFE@earthlink.net> References: <42.28a1129f.2a3a7925@aol.com> <3D092BE9.3AD1AEFE@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: ambient then rhythmic? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Does anyone here do loop pieces that perhaps start out in ambient >fashion (no > > real time) and then move into looped rhythmic parts? > > Is it necessary to have two units? I dont use several loopers either. I use UnroundMultiply a lot, as Andree explains: > >1) Use UnRounded Multiply (ending Multiply with Record) while playing a >rhythmic figure, and hit record (to end the multiply) in time with the >new rhythm you're playing, so you have a new loop that's been redefined >to the length of the rhythm you're playing. > >2) Set sync=out, take an audio cable out of the beatsync jack, and use >the click track which ensues (which the EDP automatically generates when >sync=out, according to the value of 8th/beat) as an audible reference of >where the pulse is within the loop. uh, the beatsync jack only sends cycle pulses. So you may want to start the ambient loop as a multiple to get the clock later: RECORD - play two seconds - MULTIPLY - play another 6 seconds - OVERDUB when the green counter shows 4 - keep on playing to get a smooth ambience. Or use the MIDI notes out: There is a note sent at every fraction of the cycle that hits the bell while the cycle kicks (is that right?) so if you start out with the 8 sec loop and set 8th/beat to 4, you get the same metronome. But I dont use the metronome, I prefer to feel time: It fascinates me to find the timing of the drone by overdubbing waves into it. Start with one faded note, about half as long as the continuing drone. By this you softly divide the time feeling. Then fade another two in where you feel that one note is the most and least present, so you have 4 phases of the loop, somehow. Take your time and slowly come closer to the feel of this subdivision and go on with shorter and lesser faded notes until you suddenly hear the timing exactly and fall into the concrete rhythm - quite an amazing experience! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09829; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: somebody update the website... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm glad that I purchased mine when I did... > >I wonder if we will see a reincarnation of the Repeater through >TC-Helicon, in the same way that we saw with the EDP? >(Oberheim/Gibson). not the same situation t.c. had many good oportunities to include loop features and did not want to do it, so I doubt they will now. >I'm sad. No more updates... the potential of this unit was never >even close to being reached :( right, I hope someone will be able to take care of the precious incomplete Repeater software! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07360; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:58:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:58:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:56:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: I am catching up again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8WAhwC.A.TxB.bQcK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Helo friends! I had an oportunity to change to some other work, be it playing professionally or developping other audio tools or even get a job. But while I felt most attracted to continue on this trail for another while, the conditions improved miraculously to do so! ;-) So I am with you, there is still a lot to improve... While traveling, caring for my sick mother, setting up new development conditions and figuring out the Loop5 bases (just the bases, no wish lists yet, please!), I got too far behind to post with the necessary atention. Now I worked through the recent posts and finished my old ones which still make sense. Thats why you get 10 at a time now, I hope you profit well... good to be here, thank you for all the nice feed back (long live FB! ;-) Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:06:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09318; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c21318$fed54dd0$2e2f04d1@home> References: <000001c21318$fed54dd0$2e2f04d1@home> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Half-Speed in Loop IV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does going into half-speed mode double the recording time in Loop IV? > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com > yes! And if you are very patient, you will see the face of the alien shaman... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:06:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09655; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3346C1C9-8F0F-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <3346C1C9-8F0F-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper cencus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 05:54 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >>It would be interesting to know how big the looping community is relative to >>the size of this list > >Its growing by the day.... :) I wonder, too, but there is no definition for the "looping community" as many use some loops sometime but are not addict or interested in deeper knowledge. Many are not into internet. Many dont speek english easily enough to participate on this list. I know about 10 swiss EDP "power users" of which only Claude is on the list, just to give an idea... >I think that loopers influence other people into becoming loopers. >Just over the past 2 months or so, I've persuaded two people to >purchase DL4's, and another to get a Repeater (damn, I still have >not told him the news). The freedom that live looping gives to a >musician, as you know, is amazing. Its like a drug, and highly >addictive. Once tried, it is very hard to give it up. I also hear from people that manage to get cured of it! Dont be afraid... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:09:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09536; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15a.1073060c.2a5a42d8@aol.com> References: <15a.1073060c.2a5a42d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: christy doran Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Howdy Loopy People, > Anyone familiar w/ guitarist Christy Doran? an old friend of mine... >I have a cd of his w/ a drummer and a clarinetist called ADD that is >pretty cool. Christy does some interesting looping. Anyone know what >he uses to loop with? Any info would be appreciated. >Take care, PJ In the 80ies he started with two Roland 3000. Later he joined an EDP -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 13:26:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11750; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:16:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c226a2$e664fa50$362a93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <000001c21318$fed54dd0$2e2f04d1@home> Subject: Re: Half-Speed in Loop IV Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:14:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Half-Speed in Loop IV > >Does going into half-speed mode double the recording time in Loop IV? > > > >Dave Eichenberger > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Matthias >yes! > And if you are very patient, you will see the face of the alien shaman... Traitor Claude private joke sorry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 14:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16073; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:14:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:14:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:14:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081414.AA1285095664@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: vst rack X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe something like this? http://www.oqo.com/ I've been hitting their site every week waiting for some sort of announcement of this thing shipping. I've also been trying to find out what kind of firewire chip it uses to figure out if I can use it with my MOTU 828. Seems like the perfect tool for musicians who want laptop power without having an actual laptop on stage... Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:45:32 -0700 >Well, I imagine it could be just that, with a serious sound card. Would >need a tiny, but readable monitor and some sort of way to control it. > >Mark > >On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 02:57 PM, o.malhomme wrote: >> It is definitely a good idea, but I don't see how it can be but a PC in >> a samll box with an serious amount of memory... >> >> >> Olivier >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 15:08:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20869; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020708190624.64331.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: vst rack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207081701.NAA10142@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Somewhat related to this; wasn't there a hardware synth that came out recently that can use vst plugins? Or something along those lines, i don't quite remember... Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 15:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22171; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:32:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:32:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020708133203.00a34d60@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:32:03 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Losing one's solo.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, the idea of losing one's solo in the mix under various conditions has come up lately. I just wanted to send a quick note with some thoughts on this. FFirst off, aside from the obvious volume considerations, whether in mono or stereo, in my opinion, it's always a good idea to work with sounds which don't completely occupy the same frequency bands, within reason of course. This not only can help with a cleaner mix a bit, but can make for a more interesting piece in my opinion, and can also add alot of color. So in essence, you're viewing your live performance as an engineer would, a project they're mixing. Does this make sense? To do this, you may have to use sounds which may not necessarily sound good by themselves, but when placed within a larger and more complex mix of textures, will accent them, and also be easier to hear, standing out from the mix, if that's what you desire. In mono situations, musical complexity may be an issue as well. In other words, put simply, if you have a very busy and complicated loop playing, it may be a bit difficult to have your solo stand out. -that is of course, unless your solo is very sparce and sustaining. Does this make sense? Panning and stereo effects or ambience can also come into play here as well. If you're using a mono looper, and you are playing over a current loop, in stereo, the loop will be in mono, while your solo will be in stereo. This can also help to bring out the solo from the background loop a bit. Finally, note choices and the music itself can help distinguish a solo from a background. -Which also gets back to frequency a bit. -But in this case, style can also be an issue. You might play chords for a background, and then layer single-note playing over it, or accent a certain mode for a background or sounscape, and then solo using a completely different but complimentary mode, thus not only lending diversity to the piece musically, but also again bringing out the solo from the background soundscape. Does this make sense?... anyway, -just my thoughts on this. -Hope it helps. -Hope yer' all havin' a wonderful day. Talk with ya soon... Smiles, G-Girl --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 15:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22556; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:39:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:39:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: RE: Controlling an EDP with a FCP1010? Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:38:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004201c2266b$1143d710$8d2793d4@black> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A footcontroller that can send any controller value and note numbers (for loop triggering) does well for the edp. I have a yamaha mfc-10. I recall that the behringer can do these things also. An important issue is convenient and quick access. Having a dedicated footcontroller for the edp is ideal, yet not always practical. I plug in a dual footswitch into the rear record and overdub jacks to always have access to those functions. One example where this really comes in handy is when I have the footcontroller setup to trigger 9 loops by note number. I program the remaining pedal for undo and the record/overdub are on the above mentioned footswitch. Also, the Loop IV directMidi commands are great and a midi footcontroller is best for this, if not actually required. I have an efc-7 and unfortunately it began to respond inconsistently after 9 months or so. The central triggering post in a couple of the red plastic switches started to deform. www.ericzang.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 15:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23437; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ehdanilo@pop.erdbeerhund.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:49:55 +0200 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Danilo Rometsch Subject: german repeater users? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-j27xB.A.KsF.L4eK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there! I am looking for german repeater users. Are there any on the list? I will probably buy a repeater and wanted to find out where I can get the recommended Compact Flash Cards. Until now I could not find a dealer that sells the 128 MB Cards Electrix recommends on their site. Danilo -- _________________________________ funky jazzy Pop'N'Groove: MISSIS RAINTOWN missis@missisraintown.com www.missisraintown.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 16:41:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26777; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:39:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:39:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D29F8C6.B7313BD8@friendlyspider.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:41:03 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Machinedrum users... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_uAlZD.A.BgG.OhfK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If there are any new MachineDrum users out there, I'd like to turn them on to this website I discovered: http://www.erekutro.com/ It has a nice interface for uploading custom kits, patterns, and a forum. I'm just starting to realize the potential of this monster... If any loopers are looking for their first drum machine and can eat peanut butter for a couple of months, I strongly recomment it.....Tons of live MIDI control possibilites and infinite sound mangling. -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 16:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27334; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:49:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:49:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c2268e$52eab440$0ef8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Controlling an EDP with a FCP1010? Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:47:01 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the good thing about the rocktron all access is that it gives you the option of "instant access" switches, which are always in the same place regardless of bank. so the top 5 switches (out of 3 rows of 5) are always accessible and control the main functions that i use (record, overdub, multiply, reverse, and next loop). using a midi pedal without these ever-present switches might become more of a pain than a floor-space-saver. meanwhile, having the efc as a dedicated controller was definitely a bonus, but i would've had to build an entirely new pedalboard to hold the efc and i wasn't interested in doing that. i'm not a "power user" (yet) so the sacrifice of total control with the efc wasn't such a big deal. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 17:10:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29547; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:08:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:08:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02d701c226c3$198dd940$dbe75cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #276 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:04:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #276 July 4, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at midnight was "Gateway" on the Deep Sky label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Floating Music" by Robert Schroder on the IC label. Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Robert Schroder Floating Music Floating Music (IC) Klangwelt Weltweit Weltweit (Spheric) Terra Ambient To the Brink and Back The Darker Space (Space for Music) VA [Vir Unis] The Slow Motion World Portraits (In the Bubble of All Desires Music) VA [romb] Above the Earth 2000 Lost & Found (Foundry/Hypnos) VA [Seofon and Collecting the Spirits Lost & Found (Foundry/Hypnos) vidnaObmana] Vir Unis and Monastery of the The Yellow House (In the Bubble Chris Short South * Music) 12:00 am Robert Carty Opening Gateway (Deep Sky) Robert Carty The Gateway Gateway (Deep Sky) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Carty. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Energy" on the Deep Sky label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Body Love Volume 2" by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 17:41:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31792; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: eventide orville Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:38:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C226D0.26D45D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 21:39:37.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[F51E0D50:01C226C7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C226D0.26D45D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable im looking to buy a secondhand eventide orville how much do you think i will have to pay [approx] i live in england thanks David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C226D0.26D45D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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i live in england
 
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David Swain
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C226D0.26D45D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 17:46:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32151; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:45:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:45:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:45:17 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_eventide_orville?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.3.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA32090 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David hard to say! prices are very different from country to country. I can't help you...sorry... maybe60% of the street price of a new one? greetings Italo > im looking to buy a secondhand eventide orville > how much do you think i will have to pay [approx] > i live in england > > thanks > > David Swain > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 17:59:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00590; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:58:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:58:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: eventide orville Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:56:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 21:57:27.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[72C04E10:01C226CA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmmmmmmm thanks ..... i've seen them new fr about £3000 in america http://www.ktjmusic.com and the street price in the uk is about £5700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo De Angelis" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:45 PM Subject: Re: eventide orville > David > hard to say! > prices are very different from country to country. > I can't help you...sorry... > maybe60% of the street price of a new one? > > greetings > Italo > > > im looking to buy a secondhand eventide orville > > how much do you think i will have to pay [approx] > > i live in england > > > > thanks > > > > David Swain > > > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > > ___________________________________________ > Italo De Angelis > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > italo@eventide.com > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 18:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02542; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:02:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:02:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:00:51 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_eventide_orville?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.3.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA02262 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well...a picture is still worth a thousands words! Italo > hmmmmmmmm thanks ..... > > i've seen them new fr about £3000 in america > http://www.ktjmusic.com > > and the street price in the uk is about £5700 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Italo De Angelis" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:45 PM > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > David > > hard to say! > > prices are very different from country to country. > > I can't help you...sorry... > > maybe60% of the street price of a new one? > > > > greetings > > Italo > > > > > im looking to buy a secondhand eventide orville > > > how much do you think i will have to pay [approx] > > > i live in england > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > David Swain > > > > > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Italo De Angelis > > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > > italo@eventide.com > > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 18:09:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03097; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:08:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: eventide orville Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:06:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 22:07:29.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9F05CA0:01C226CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ehhhh ?????????? you lost me there ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo De Angelis" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Re: eventide orville > well...a picture is still worth a thousands words! > > Italo > > > > hmmmmmmmm thanks ..... > > > > i've seen them new fr about £3000 in america > > http://www.ktjmusic.com > > > > and the street price in the uk is about £5700 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Italo De Angelis" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:45 PM > > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > > > > David > > > hard to say! > > > prices are very different from country to country. > > > I can't help you...sorry... > > > maybe60% of the street price of a new one? > > > > > > greetings > > > Italo > > > > > > > im looking to buy a secondhand eventide orville > > > > how much do you think i will have to pay [approx] > > > > i live in england > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > David Swain > > > > > > > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Italo De Angelis > > > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > > > italo@eventide.com > > > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > Italo De Angelis > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > italo@eventide.com > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 18:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04511; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:21:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:21:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: eventide orville Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:19:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 22:20:27.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[A97D2F60:01C226CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com eh ??? i dont understand you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo De Angelis" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Re: eventide orville > well...a picture is still worth a thousands words! > > Italo > > > > hmmmmmmmm thanks ..... > > > > i've seen them new fr about £3000 in america > > http://www.ktjmusic.com > > > > and the street price in the uk is about £5700 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Italo De Angelis" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:45 PM > > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > > > > David > > > hard to say! > > > prices are very different from country to country. > > > I can't help you...sorry... > > > maybe60% of the street price of a new one? > > > > > > greetings > > > Italo > > > > > > > im looking to buy a secondhand eventide orville > > > > how much do you think i will have to pay [approx] > > > > i live in england > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > David Swain > > > > > > > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Italo De Angelis > > > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > > > italo@eventide.com > > > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > Italo De Angelis > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > italo@eventide.com > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 18:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04658; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:21:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:21:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:21:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when i dj, i do it with turntables and a laptop. it's really no different from just a pair of decks... most audience members have no idea what's happening with just turntables, so adding a laptop doesn't really add any more confusion anyway. i love it when people are standing around the mixing booth and suddenly realize that there's no vinyl on either of the turntables. ;) lots of fun, surprised looks... paul > -----Original Message----- > From: just john [mailto:just-john@just-john.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 12:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops > > > I've got the gizmos for it, but haven't seen anybody dj that way, > so I have > no idea what an actual performance demands (and what the audiences have > come to expect.) > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 18:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05605; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:32:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:32:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:31:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > ... My mode is to 'semi-randomly' pull in samples, lay > them into the time space I want them to play, and then bring them into the live, improvisational mixing. that's what i do as well. i think there's an incredible amount of creative space to be explored there. transforming loops over time and using them to play with dynamics. good stuff, for sure. anyone else consider 'live mixing' to be part of their show? hmmm... i'm guessing that from the amount of responses to this query that dance music is pretty far from the kind of stuff most people do here. i'm kind of struggling right now with the usefulness of my repeater. given that i still haven't figured out a realistic way to make real time sampling work for me (since everything in my music operates so precisely), i'm considering moving all my repeater loops over to my mpc2k. it's funny because i'm definitely a looper, my music is all loops, but in such a different way than almost anyone else on the list. the liveness comes in the mixing of 10+ tracks simultaneously. > From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > As time goes on, it become more apparent to me that Acid is not > the perfect > tool for what I am doing, and while I gave Live a quick test run, it did > not seem to lend itself to what I am doing either, although that might be you should definitely, absolutely, with no doubt... continue to check out Live. it rules the universe. i nearly guarantee that with a little digging you can do the things you need to do with it. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: terry o'brien [mailto:anomalousdisturbances@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:00 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops > > > Paul, I do ....I play live improvisations (like most loopers seem > to do) for > the most part but for some pieces will use a pre-recorded 'bed' loop > (drones, beatz, vox samples, sonic ephemera) to build upon or as a segue > between live pieces. I play them off my ibook. My music is ambient > soundscaping so this all works well for me in cooking up a tasty > recipe with > the occassional disaster errupting from time to time - but I'm > quite partial > to happy accidents. I inhabit a performance regime that stradles > DJ-ing and > live in-the-moment composition....well that's the plan - or lack > thereof. > The outcome is never the same twice and I like the indeterminacy of the > process. > > I just acquired a copy of MAX so I'm trying to get my head into > it and plan > to utilize it at some point in the future. > > Terry > www.anomalousdisturbances.com > > > > >From: "Paul Weissman" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops > >Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:59:36 -0700 > > > > > >just out of curiosity... who uses pre-recorded loops extensively or > >exclusively for performances? > > > >i'm wondering if anyone out there does the kind of music that i do, i > >guess. > >everyone here seems mainly concerned with live instrumental sampling... i > >don't use any instruments, at least none of the 'common' instruments. > > > >i guess it's no surprise that i do dance and electronic music mainly. > >anyone else? > > > >paul > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 18:35:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05927; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:34:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:34:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2A12A1.38D36DB2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:30:58 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex Demystification References: <20020613184223.22207.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome back Mr. Grob! Matthias Grob wrote: > > Do you EDP users agree with Gregs point? : > > >3) it appeared that there was a > >substantial learning curve associated with being able to use an EDP > >effectively. > > if that is true I completely failed. > It seems very easy to press-play-press and then overdub with the > second button and fade with FB. Other functions are usefull but not > needed to make great music. And even those are easy to grab. I agree completely with what Matthias says here. The EDP is very straightforward out of the box, and the default parameters and architecture are structured in such a way that you can choose to delve more deeply into the unit if and when you so choose. But you absolutely don't need to understand every single function and parameter in order to use it just as you would expect to use a DL4, a Jamman, etc. One thing I'm going to try and focus on at the clinic in Santa Cruz this weekend is the "bread and butter" aspect of the EDP - the idea that, as Matthias says, you can get an awful lot of milage out of just a few functions. The architecture the Echoplex uses is actually very intuitive and straightforward, but because of the unit's unique and somewhat ideosyncratic terminology, they're the sort of things that can be a bit tricky to visualize in one's ear ahead of time. So hopefully there'll be some technical demystification of things this weekend - as well as some healthy and deliberate musical mysticism... :() --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 19:19:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09906; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:18:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:18:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:18:11 +0200 Subject: Any EDP LoopIV'ers in Paris? (France/Europe?) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-618451590 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-618451590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi all, I was wondering if any of you knew of any musicians in Paris who have an EDP with the Loop IV upgrade? The unit seems pretty rare over here - nobody really knows anything about it (its a sin, I know). I'd love to get my grubby mittens on one for a quick play and a test - just to be 100% sure. Also, has anyone had experience ordering a model from inside Europe? I think that I have digested enough to realise that the EDP is something quite special.... and I want one :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com --Apple-Mail-1-618451590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I was wondering if any of you knew of any musicians in Paris who have an EDP with the Loop IV upgrade? The unit seems pretty rare over here - nobody really knows anything about it (its a sin, I know). I'd love to get my grubby mittens on one for a quick play and a test - just to be 100% sure. Also, has anyone had experience ordering a model from inside Europe? I think that I have digested enough to realise that the EDP is something quite special.... and I want one :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com --Apple-Mail-1-618451590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 19:41:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10860; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:40:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <113.141a3ed7.2a5b7cb0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:39:28 EDT Subject: Re: vst rack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/8/02 3:06:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, e_schnack@yahoo.com writes: > Somewhat related to this; wasn't there a hardware > synth that came out recently that can use vst > plugins? Or something along those lines, i don't > quite remember... > > Ernesto The new Creamware keyboard runs Pulsar/Scope plugs if that is what you are thinking of. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 20:21:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13845; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:20:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:20:04 -0500 Subject: Re: eventide orville Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if i were you, i'd keep an eye on ebay. the most recent orville on ebay went for about 4 grand (u.s. dollars). well worth the cost of importing it if you can get it for that...although i'm not up-to-date with the current exchange rates. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 20:28:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14475; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:27:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: eventide orville Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:25:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 00:26:43.0864 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D717980:01C226DF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think you may be right, do you know how often they come up on ebay ? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:20 AM Subject: Re: eventide orville > if i were you, i'd keep an eye on ebay. the most > recent orville on ebay went for about 4 grand (u.s. > dollars). well worth the cost of importing it if you > can get it for that...although i'm not up-to-date with > the current exchange rates. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 20:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15075; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:36:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:36:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:36:25 -0500 Subject: Re: eventide orville Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not too terribly often. people tend to hang on to them, as can be expected with such a powerful machine. i've owned my 7K for about 4 months and only got interested in eventide products within the last 6 months. in that time, i've periodically scoured ebay just out of curiosity and seen two...maybe three...in that time. for what it's worth, i'm hanging on for a bss equalizer and with ebay, patience really is the key for getting a good deal...but that can mean waiting months and months. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 21:03:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17299; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: eventide orville Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:00:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 01:02:03.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CD583A0:01C226E4] Resent-Message-ID: <8Cgl_D.A.jNE.qYjK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cheers thanks i jut wondered if anyone knew ive seen one new for $4669.99 at http://www.ktjmusic.com but i dont wanna pay that :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:36 AM Subject: Re: eventide orville > not too terribly often. people tend to hang on to > them, as can be expected with such a powerful machine. > > i've owned my 7K for about 4 months and only got > interested in eventide products within the last 6 > months. in that time, i've periodically scoured ebay > just out of curiosity and seen two...maybe three...in > that time. > > for what it's worth, i'm hanging on for a bss > equalizer and with ebay, patience really is the key > for getting a good deal...but that can mean waiting > months and months. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 21:15:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18023; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c226e6$289ff3a0$0db0bfa8@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <113.141a3ed7.2a5b7cb0@aol.com> Subject: Re: vst rack Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:15:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kenton Plugstation maybe? www.kenton.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 21:48:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19450; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:47:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:47:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:47:03 -0500 Subject: Re: eventide orville Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com let me do a little research...i recall getting my 7K for a bit less than ktj's price. i paid 2800 while ktj advertised their's for an even 3 large. i'll get back to you with the contact information for the shop i bought from if you're interested. i'm not even sure they carry the orville and if they do, it will still be over 4 grand. it's up to you. i have the information if you'd like it. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 23:05:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23530; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:58:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <1bb.2dfe855.2a5bab2c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:57:48 EDT Subject: Re: vst rack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/8/02 9:14:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdwiv@webtv.net writes: > Kenton Plugstation maybe? > www.kenton.co.uk Ahh yes, that's the one that runs the Yamaha boards. Something tells me that a VST/DXi device will be coming soon. Maybe the folks making the Oqo will sell one with either an Intel or AMD processor. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 8 23:57:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26945; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:56:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:56:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: eventide orville Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:56:26 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c226fc$996f0880$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know who you might check with is Alto Music. They have treated me very well and I have yet to beat their prices, even from my local Guitar Center who I have been doing business with for the past 3 years. I recently bought my Eventide Eclipse there and I couldn't be happier. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:47 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > let me do a little research...i recall getting my 7K > for a bit less than ktj's price. i paid 2800 while > ktj advertised their's for an even 3 large. i'll get > back to you with the contact information for the shop > i bought from if you're interested. > > i'm not even sure they carry the orville and if they > do, it will still be over 4 grand. it's up to you. i > have the information if you'd like it. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 00:23:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29415; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater OS issues Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:22:09 -0500 Message-ID: <007401c22700$315bfab0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, I have owned my EDP for about a month now (although I only got to play it a couple of times before having to send it to Gibson for the "Err" problem ... Btw, Shane says it will take him at least 2 weeks to even get to it). Anyway, the EDP seems fairly easy to use up front except for a few things ... First, trying to learn the best gain structure and use of the feedback controls so that loops are built in a way that they maintain their clarity without getting all mushy. Second, learning the best way to incorporate the EDP within the overall mixing scheme such as applying effects before the loop (do we cut off reverb tails?) or after when we only have a single effects unit. Third, when you see all the commands in the EDP manual such as Quantize=On or RoundMode=Off and everyone on the loopers list refers to these functions as if they were able to change them on the fly (I assume with midi commands), the amount of possible button presses to accomlish many different things begins to greatly exceed the standard EFC buttons of "Record" "Overdub" "Multiply" "Insert" "Mute" "Undo" and "Next Loop". I know a lot of people here use the EDP for different things, but if these large number of various functions are meant to be static, I have yet to see any recommendations as to standard recommended setups, assuming that is possible. Are there any recommended standard configuration setups for the EDP? M. Steven Ginn P.S. I spoke with Shane Radtke at Gibson and according to him, they will not be getting any Loop IV chips so I guess I have to order those directly from Aurisis and install those myself when Gibson finally gets finished fixing my 2 month old EDP. ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater OS issues > > > Do you EDP users agree with Gregs point? : > > >3) it appeared that there was a > >substantial learning curve associated with being able to use an EDP > >effectively. > > if that is true I completely failed. > It seems very easy to press-play-press and then overdub with the > second button and fade with FB. Other functions are usefull but not > needed to make great music. And even those are easy to grab. It only > becomes more complicated if you want to sync or use parameters... but > for this the Repeater is not simpler either, is it? > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 00:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29499; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:22:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:22:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Ease of learning/using the EDP, was RE: Repeater OS issues Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:22:57 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c22700$4d826670$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, I have owned my EDP for about a month now (although I only got to play it a couple of times before having to send it to Gibson for the "Err" problem ... Btw, Shane says it will take him at least 2 weeks to even get to it). Anyway, the EDP seems fairly easy to use up front except for a few things ... First, trying to learn the best gain structure and use of the feedback controls so that loops are built in a way that they maintain their clarity without getting all mushy. Second, learning the best way to incorporate the EDP within the overall mixing scheme such as applying effects before the loop (do we cut off reverb tails?) or after when we only have a single effects unit. Third, when you see all the commands in the EDP manual such as Quantize=On or RoundMode=Off and everyone on the loopers list refers to these functions as if they were able to change them on the fly (I assume with midi commands), the amount of possible button presses to accomlish many different things begins to greatly exceed the standard EFC buttons of "Record" "Overdub" "Multiply" "Insert" "Mute" "Undo" and "Next Loop". I know a lot of people here use the EDP for different things, but if these large number of various functions are meant to be static, I have yet to see any recommendations as to standard recommended setups, assuming that is possible. Are there any recommended standard configuration setups for the EDP? M. Steven Ginn P.S. I spoke with Shane Radtke at Gibson and according to him, they will not be getting any Loop IV chips so I guess I have to order those directly from Aurisis and install those myself when Gibson finally gets finished fixing my 2 month old EDP. ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater OS issues > > > Do you EDP users agree with Gregs point? : > > >3) it appeared that there was a > >substantial learning curve associated with being able to use an EDP > >effectively. > > if that is true I completely failed. > It seems very easy to press-play-press and then overdub with the > second button and fade with FB. Other functions are usefull but not > needed to make great music. And even those are easy to grab. It only > becomes more complicated if you want to sync or use parameters... but > for this the Repeater is not simpler either, is it? > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 01:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32474; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:14:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:14:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Repeater OS issues Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:13:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c22707$622f0c20$dfd6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Compared to other devices, the EDP is easy to use. Unless the definition of effectively is based on what Andre is capable of (or Claude, or dt, or . . .) I do find that using a MIDI pedal enables a better end product--the EDP will pretty much do what you want it to. I have to think that the real issue here is knowing what you want to do before you play--as well as knowing the architecture of the device, which, in the case of the EDP and LoopIV is deeper than ever-- I don't think the Repeater is that shallow either. And I think that it, too, is easy to use for simple record and playback things. Although not without its flaws . . . and not simpler than the EDP. Gary PS Is "effectively" a pun? G PPS See ya in Santa Cruz G -----Original Message----- Matthias Grob wrote: Do you EDP users agree with Gregs point? : >3) it appeared that there was a >substantial learning curve associated with being able to use an EDP >effectively. if that is true I completely failed. It seems very easy to press-play-press and then overdub with the second button and fade with FB. Other functions are usefull but not needed to make great music. And even those are easy to grab. It only becomes more complicated if you want to sync or use parameters... but for this the Repeater is not simpler either, is it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 01:21:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32712; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709052034.99922.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:20:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #415 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207082209.SAA03275@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "Kevin Goldsmith" > > Maybe something like this? > http://www.oqo.com/ > I dont know if that would really have any advantage. One would still need an external keyboard, and possibly a monitor. Who knows how that display would look in a poorly lit stage. I'd rather just carry a laptop around. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 02:59:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04591; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:58:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:58:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709065738.55713.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher MacDonald Subject: AmbiLoop 1.20 released To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1883090356-1026197858=:55430" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1883090356-1026197858=:55430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A new version of AmbiLoop is now available. New features include eight tracks of playback, stereo/mono support, a stereo low/band/high/notch filter with LFOs, and reverse. A discussion group has been set up as well. Details here: http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop Thanks, Chris --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access --0-1883090356-1026197858=:55430 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

A new version of AmbiLoop is now available.  New features include eight tracks of playback, stereo/mono support, a stereo low/band/high/notch filter with LFOs, and reverse.  A discussion group has been set up as well.  Details here: http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop

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Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access --0-1883090356-1026197858=:55430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 09:24:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27890; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <119.141ff3e6.2a5c3d65@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:21:41 EDT Subject: Re: Looper census - pre-recorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-NxrSD.A.AwG.KOuK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pw, >live, improvisational mixing. that's what i do as well. i think there's >an >incredible amount of creative space to be explored there. transforming >loops over time and using them to play with dynamics. good stuff, for >sure. it can be; it's got great potential..... >anyone else consider 'live mixing' to be part of their show? absolutely, as i've said before. though my show isn't really a show. >hmmm... i'm guessing that from the amount of responses to this query that >dance music is pretty far from the kind of stuff most people do here. it might be more informative to find out than to guess..... i'm sure there's all kindsa looping going on, connected-to-here. >i'm kind of struggling right now with the usefulness of my repeater. given >that i still haven't figured out a realistic way to make real time sampling >work for me really? you could, among other things, try: keeping a source running material that ya can't hear, to sample from --- could be tv tracks, or solo'ed om khalsoum, etc etc (non-transient, non-rhythmic mat'l could work well) --- randomly into the repeater, locked to tempo..... and fly it in, to taste..... etc >(since everything in my music operates so precisely), any musical technique can be learned to be effected precisely; i'm sure that you could get your repeater to lock to whatever your masterclock is, no? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 10:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31724; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709141524.41249.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roojah - here's my offering - check the LD site and web for info on:' Lexicon PCM42 Lexicon Primtime Series Digitech RDS units (specf. the Time Machine line, the 7.6 model can take a cv pedal and works in real time, as does the 2001 model, 3.6, 1900, 3600, et al.) DeltaLab delay units, the DL4 has real time control and you can choose the waveform (hot shite!) then check eBay (selling at:PCM42~$1200, PT~$500, Digitech ~80, DL~140)for prices and Harmony Central for reviews and go your own way. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- Roojah Amighty wrote: > > I am a guitar player [yet another one, forgive me > lord...] and I am > looking for a delay unit that has delay time > controlled on-the-fly by an > expression pedal, be it MIDI or CV based, as well as > the ability to "sample" > live from my guitar signal. There are a million > little stomp delay pedals on > the market, but I need to be able to change the > delay time without bending > over to tweak knobs or doing some weird foot > stomping dance. > I don't care about the number of > echoes/loops/layers[I always just use > one]-But I want to be able to control the > "tempo"/delay-time by variable > expression, NOT a tap-tempo stomp. > Can anyone recommend ANY Setup/unit that would > enable one to > accomplish this feat with one's feet? Thus far the > only suggestion I've had > was to use the out of production BigBriar > MoogerFooger Analog delay with a > CV pedal, but they are both pricey pricey and > somewhat scarce. . . Any > suggestions? > -TIA, --Roots > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 10:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32176; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709142751.36056.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: Looper cencus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17d.a9ee020.2a5613e0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <36Hp-.A.c2H.oLvK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my knee jerkey re-action: ugh! why do guitarist (one of which I happen to be) need to be told about anything that is there if they looked, sort of like circular picking! BUT/AND the ones who are looking for it will find it just like they found speaker ripping. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > DSDALY@aol.com writes: > > >I know alot of guitar players that are excellent > and would > >definitely loop, but the marketing of the subject > is all wrong. > but, there is no marketing. > > >I just bought the REPEATER knowing that it has been > discontinued because > >of > >the good reviews and the fact I can run a fairly > small FS300 stage pedal > >to > >operate the unit live. > >I also bought it to lay down tracks so I can solo > over and get better. > interested: > did you buy it before you tried it? > > >I know that it can do so much more, but I suppose I > will learn through > >trial > >because I don't see a place where I can get alot of > tips and tricks > >information. > look harder; and, you can look and ask here! > > >Guitar Looping seems to be kept a big secret and > that's why more guitarists > >arent into it. > ain't no secret. > i'm not good at keeping secrets, myself. > > >If a company, say BOSS, came out with a small easy > to use, reasonably priced > >(say $100-$150 range) stompbox looper that could > give say 10-14 seconds > >of > >simple looping and went into the guitar magazines > with well thought out > >ads > >proclaiming.. "SOMETHING NEW for all you guitarists > out there" and maybe > >had > >some good sound files on there web site and a few > tips to get going .. > >the > >whole looping thing could take off. > 1) while it's not been fully plumbed -(what > instrument has been?)- looping is > not strictly new. > 2) companies have certainly done that: boomerang, > roland, akai, line 6 put > out reasonably inexpensive looping devices ---(hell, > the jamman was cheap, > wasn't it?)--- and, some of them have spent some > dough on advertising, as > well. and: oberheim used to advertise the EDP. > my conclusion? what's critically missing from the > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 10:49:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00382; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709144628.40837.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: NYC Gig Thurs. 7/11/02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705202829.02e51d98@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'allo - Pedro Felix Thursday, July 11, 2002 at Chama 332 East 4th Street btw avenues C/D East Village, NYC 646-654-6472 $2 and a smile 9:30 pm - midnight or so check LD archives for quasi-reviews~ I use a few Digitech units and an EDP to loop various guitar derived sounds, in real time thankfully. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 10:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00714; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:51:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:51:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709145129.16204.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: Looper census To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43542B1D-9086-11D6-8CFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark - remember when i told you that the RPTR would always be a little buggy, well told you so. lol, Pedro --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Yeah, I was amazed that Lisa from Electrix seemed to > have every single > negative (and none of the postitive) things I've > ever said about > Electrix stored up for ammo. When I asked about a > future bug fix, she > prefaced the "No" with about 10 quotes from me. > Flattering, really. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 07:10 PM, Kim Flint > wrote: > > > At 08:50 AM 7/4/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > >> "what's critically missing from the > manufacturers' vision is a > >> long-term > >> plan that includes education of the potential > marketplace via seminars, > >> clinics, instructional videos, and *functional* > endorsements. > >> etc." > >> > >> ...and i'll bet they aren't listening. it would > make a lot of sense > >> if a > >> representative from each company were on this > list since it's the > >> largest > >> single collection of looping musicians. maybe > actually listen to what > >> their > >> patrons have to say... > > > > pretty much every manufacturer of looping devices > has had > > representatives on this list at one time or > another. > > > > There are always people listening to what is said > here. > > > > kim > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 11:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02682; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:04:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:04:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709150355.54174.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: Looper census wups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020709145129.16204.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com argh- that was meant just for Mark, srry --- Pedro Felix wrote: > Mark - > remember when i told you that the RPTR would always > be > a little buggy, well told you so. > lol, Pedro > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Yeah, I was amazed that Lisa from Electrix seemed > to > > have every single > > negative (and none of the postitive) things I've > > ever said about > > Electrix stored up for ammo. When I asked about a > > future bug fix, she > > prefaced the "No" with about 10 quotes from me. > > Flattering, really. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 07:10 PM, Kim Flint > > wrote: > > > > > At 08:50 AM 7/4/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > >> "what's critically missing from the > > manufacturers' vision is a > > >> long-term > > >> plan that includes education of the potential > > marketplace via seminars, > > >> clinics, instructional videos, and *functional* > > endorsements. > > >> etc." > > >> > > >> ...and i'll bet they aren't listening. it > would > > make a lot of sense > > >> if a > > >> representative from each company were on this > > list since it's the > > >> largest > > >> single collection of looping musicians. maybe > > actually listen to what > > >> their > > >> patrons have to say... > > > > > > pretty much every manufacturer of looping > devices > > has had > > > representatives on this list at one time or > > another. > > > > > > There are always people listening to what is > said > > here. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 14:45:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16844; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:42:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:42:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709183931.94724.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5xYrUD.A.nGE.K5yK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > Line6 probably does well with the DL4 in spite of the looper not > because of it. Okay. There isn't really a downside for them in > including the looper, > but I suspect that the vast majority of the units they sell are on > the basis > of the echo effects not the looper. That may lead people who buy the > pedal into looping, but it isn't the selling point. I've seen this personally. Several of my guitar playing friends bought DL4s for the flexable delays, and have started enjoying and using the looping section now too. This is good, as it builds people's interest in looping and will help reinforce the market for higher end loopers in the future. The looper in the DL4 also presents a feature checkmark (in marketing terms) that other competing products probably feel they need to also include. That also expands the exposure of musicians to looping devices, further enhancing the market for such a device. This should eventually lead to more sales of great units like the EDP, and potentially enough market for other vendors to add full-featured loopers. Line6 has actually done us all a big favor by including that secondary feature. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 14:53:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17321; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2B30C4.BED0DB08@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:51:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper census References: <20020709145129.16204.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1q8E0C.A.ZOE.TDzK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro Felix wrote: > Mark - > remember when i told you that the RPTR would always be > a little buggy, well told you so. > lol, Pedro Oh, you're in BIG trouble young man. BIG. OK, so I went for the "new kid on the block" but I'm not sorry. I've done, and will do, a lot of great loop based music with the Repeater, as have others. However, I've also come to the conclusion that it's probably not the best suited looper for my primary needs. I think that's the consensus on this list. (only one person responded to my query that the Repeater would be their "desert island looper") However, I think if I had purchased the EDP instead, I probably would have picked up the Repeater eventually, even knowing it's bugs and limits. My wish list for the Repeater was actually pretty small. All I really wanted was the ability to predefine the length of my loops, the way you can with the EDP and the JamMan. I just found it clumsy to have to think about having to end a loop while I'm playing. Yes, that's it. Predefined loop length. I found that by recording a blank loop before I started, and then just opening up the loop when I wanted to, I got that feature. Not the most horrible work-around. As for bugs? After OS 1.1, the Repeater was mostly bug free. The two major bugs I'm aware of are the volume "bump" at the loop's beginning. (this never really bothered me much. I could only hear it when I was playing a perfectly smooth drone, which is pretty much never.) and the wonky MIDI clock thing that prevented me from using the Repeater as a clock source for the MoFX and the Lexicon MPX1. Since I do a lot with a drum machine anyway, that didn't bother me too much either. The ambient show I did on Sunday night relied on the clock from my AdrenaLinn, which seems just fine. The pluses? Great effects loop. Great pitch shifting. Great tempo shifting. Stereo. Quad. 8 min loops. So basically, I just want to say that the Repeater was and IS still a great product. If I didn't own one, I'd be buying one now before they're gone forever. Electrix's mistakes had nothing to do with their product, but more about internal stuff that I'm sure we'll never really know about. Here's what not to do as a company: Discontinue all of your products except for one. Tell the public release dates that have nothing to do with reality. Make up lies about why the product is late that are obviously pure bullshit. Alternate giving lot's of info out to the public, with being totally silent. Ignore customers that offer (for free) to hold seminars on your product. I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of them right now. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 15:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19113; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:09:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c2277b$dece06e0$eba85e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: References: <20020709183931.94724.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:07:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA19061 Resent-Message-ID: <3-hABD.A.EqE.9SzK9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- Mark wrote: > > Line6 probably does well with the DL4 in spite of the looper not > > because of it. . . . That may lead people who buy the > > pedal into looping, but it isn't the selling point. Greg replied: > I've seen this personally. Several of my guitar playing friends bought > DL4s for the flexable delays, and have started enjoying and using the > looping section now too. This is good, as it builds people's interest > in looping and will help reinforce the market for higher end loopers in > the future. So the DL4 can be considered as a "gateway" device, leading the curious but unsuspecting musician to "harder" loopers? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 15:20:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19546; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:18:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2B3799.6CD14D4D@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:24:26 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise References: <20020709183931.94724.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> <003601c2277b$dece06e0$eba85e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James Pokorny wrote: > > --- Mark wrote: > > > Line6 probably does well with the DL4 in spite of the looper not > > > because of it. . . . That may lead people who buy the > > > pedal into looping, but it isn't the selling point. > > Greg replied: > > I've seen this personally. Several of my guitar playing friends bought > > DL4s for the flexable delays, and have started enjoying and using the > > looping section now too. This is good, as it builds people's interest > > in looping and will help reinforce the market for higher end loopers in > > the future. > > So the DL4 can be considered as a "gateway" device, leading the curious but unsuspecting musician to "harder" loopers? ;-) hm, yes...the "stepping stone" theory. maybe it works with loopers tho... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 15:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19722; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:20:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:20:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:19:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <119.141ff3e6.2a5c3d65@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt... thanks for the response... > >anyone else consider 'live mixing' to be part of their show? > absolutely, as i've said before. > though my show isn't really a show. hmmm... do you mean that you don't do a live performance? do you do most of your work in the studio? > >hmmm... i'm guessing that from the amount of responses to this query that > >dance music is pretty far from the kind of stuff most people do here. > it might be more informative to find out than to guess..... > i'm sure there's all kindsa looping going on, connected-to-here. absolutely, and i may query the list about it... i'm just drawing that conclusion from what i've observed the general dialog on the list to be. frankly, the genre of music people do isn't really important to me on this list, and i think that's a nice thing about the list in general. we're here to discuss tools and techniques and gather ideas. of course, i am _curious_ what people classify their music as. maybe i'll post about it shortly after all. ;) > >i'm kind of struggling right now with the usefulness of my > repeater. given > >that i still haven't figured out a realistic way to make real > time sampling > >work for me > really? > you could, among other things, try: > keeping a source running material that ya can't hear, to sample from --- > could be tv tracks, or solo'ed om khalsoum, etc etc (non-transient, > non-rhythmic mat'l could work well) --- randomly into the > repeater, locked to > tempo..... and fly it in, to taste..... > etc anything non rhythmic would work well, definitely. cool ideas. i use reaktor and some granular soft synths, it would be pretty cool to sample them and make loops out of them live. it would take some practice though. i could definitely use more ideas on how to use the repeater... > >(since everything in my music operates so precisely), > any musical technique can be learned to be effected precisely; > i'm sure that > you could get your repeater to lock to whatever your masterclock is, no? haven't had much luck yet getting the repeater in a tight enough sync to be able to add rhythmic accompaniment to my set. however, i have been able to do this manually... just hit 'start' over and over again until it syncs up in my cue, and then i can throw it in the mix. of course, i can do the same thing with an mpc, and instead of being limited to 4 tracks of audio, have as many as i like going on and use the touchpad to turn loops on and off. this is all possible, of course, because i don't usually need to change tempo while my set is running. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looper census - pre-recorded loops > > > pw, > > >live, improvisational mixing. that's what i do as well. i think there's > >an > >incredible amount of creative space to be explored there. transforming > >loops over time and using them to play with dynamics. good stuff, for > >sure. > it can be; it's got great potential..... > > >anyone else consider 'live mixing' to be part of their show? > absolutely, as i've said before. > though my show isn't really a show. > > >hmmm... i'm guessing that from the amount of responses to this query that > >dance music is pretty far from the kind of stuff most people do here. > it might be more informative to find out than to guess..... > i'm sure there's all kindsa looping going on, connected-to-here. > > >i'm kind of struggling right now with the usefulness of my > repeater. given > >that i still haven't figured out a realistic way to make real > time sampling > >work for me > really? > you could, among other things, try: > keeping a source running material that ya can't hear, to sample from --- > could be tv tracks, or solo'ed om khalsoum, etc etc (non-transient, > non-rhythmic mat'l could work well) --- randomly into the > repeater, locked to > tempo..... and fly it in, to taste..... > etc > > >(since everything in my music operates so precisely), > any musical technique can be learned to be effected precisely; > i'm sure that > you could get your repeater to lock to whatever your masterclock is, no? > best, > dt / splattercell > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 15:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20026; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:27:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <119.141ff3e6.2a5c3d65@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their looping tools to make dance music? and while i'm talking about dance music, i seriously consider richie hawtin's latest album release 'DE9: Closer To The Edit' to be a wonderful example of how looping can be used creatively. he takes a whole stack of techno records, edits them down to small loops and recombines them into a mix that moves so quickly from song to song, you hardly get a chance to notice where loops start and stop. definitely minimal, definitely listenable, definitely cool. check it out. richie was (don't know about now) a heavy repeater user. paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 15:35:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20355; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:34:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:34:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:35:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2B2E4600000168@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA20328 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if I may be so bold, what is 'dance' music? anything with a beat? or something more specific... :) -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Paul Weissman" >To: >Subject: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:27:06 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their looping tools >to >make dance music? > >and while i'm talking about dance music, i seriously consider richie >hawtin's latest album release 'DE9: Closer To The Edit' to be a wonderful >example of how looping can be used creatively. he takes a whole stack of >techno records, edits them down to small loops and recombines them into a >mix that moves so quickly from song to song, you hardly get a chance to >notice where loops start and stop. definitely minimal, definitely >listenable, definitely cool. check it out. > >richie was (don't know about now) a heavy repeater user. > >paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 15:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20934; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:42:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:42:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:41:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 19:41:13.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[9570CCD0:01C22780] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their looping tools to > make dance music? > I do, or try to. I been opening for djs at clubs in the SF. I'm not into that four-on-the-floor candy-rave stuff though. Yech. Thump-ti-thump-ti-thump bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 15:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21291; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:43:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D2B2E4600000168@mta08.san.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater + Square Dancing = Pure Bliss The "Stutter Start Effect" is where it's at! Sw Sw Swing... Sw Sw Swing... Sw Sw Swing your Partner... Sw Sw Swing your Partner.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 15:47:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21500; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers Message-Id: <090702190.45946@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:45:52 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Paul Weissman" >ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their looping tools to >make dance music? I definitely hope *some* of the music i make is danceable! And: FWIW, i don't play guitar. (I'll play *with* one, now and again, if one is around.) -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 15:48:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21498; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:46:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:46:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71FED563EED4D311AE0C00A0C9916A8E0841B6F4@ksopsitexng.primediabusiness.com> From: "Zola, Joanne" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:44:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check out www.remixmag.com - December 2001 issue interview with Mr. Hawtin for techniques/gear used making DE9"Closer to the Edit" full studio/gear list included. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul@nioterra.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their looping tools to make dance music? and while i'm talking about dance music, i seriously consider richie hawtin's latest album release 'DE9: Closer To The Edit' to be a wonderful example of how looping can be used creatively. he takes a whole stack of techno records, edits them down to small loops and recombines them into a mix that moves so quickly from song to song, you hardly get a chance to notice where loops start and stop. definitely minimal, definitely listenable, definitely cool. check it out. richie was (don't know about now) a heavy repeater user. paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 16:08:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23986; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709200642.14136.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207091948.PAA21680@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think i am now, since i just bought a repeater... had a bunch of drum loops programmed from a studio that i used to work at, but hadn't been able to use them much as i can't sync my boomerang to my sampler... but now i'm been loading them onto the 'peater and it's a whole different world of stuff that i'm coming up with, drum'n'bass beats lead to groovier basslines, which i'm playing on the guitar and pitchshifting i've long been into middle eastern music/dastgah scales, now i have some programmed "tabla" loops loaded up and it's giving it a different, possibly danceable, feel... problem w/ the boomerang (which i love, don't misunderstand) was that in creating percussive loops on the guitar, after 5 or 6 layers the percussive was completely decayed, that's no longer an issue so while i have been doing lots of rythmic, groovy stuff w/ the boomerang, the possibilities are now just exponentiated by the repeater, and i'm moving more in that direction for now excellent thread...good idea paul and dt cheers, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 16:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25994; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:20:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709201949.27567.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:19:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: Looper census To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D2B30C4.BED0DB08@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sparky Mark - agreed on most points. hey I had an EDP and still went and bought two RPTR's. they opened my ears to many new things, and your prodding to try predefined loop lengths made me dive into old Digitech units which was/is a very good thing. as i thik many of us are seeing a lot of companies get caught up in their appearance before they get their business sqauared away, often to the detriment of everyone involved. loop on bro, Pedro --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Pedro Felix wrote: > > > Mark - > > remember when i told you that the RPTR would > always be > > a little buggy, well told you so. > > lol, Pedro > > Oh, you're in BIG trouble young man. BIG. > > OK, so I went for the "new kid on the block" but I'm > not sorry. I've > done, and will do, a lot of great loop based music > with the Repeater, as > have others. However, I've also come to the > conclusion that it's > probably not the best suited looper for my primary > needs. I think that's > the consensus on this list. (only one person > responded to my query that > the Repeater would be their "desert island looper") > However, I think if I > had purchased the EDP instead, I probably would have > picked up the > Repeater eventually, even knowing it's bugs and > limits. My wish list for > the Repeater was actually pretty small. All I > really wanted was the > ability to predefine the length of my loops, the way > you can with the EDP > and the JamMan. I just found it clumsy to have to > think about having to > end a loop while I'm playing. > > Yes, that's it. Predefined loop length. I found > that by recording a > blank loop before I started, and then just opening > up the loop when I > wanted to, I got that feature. Not the most > horrible work-around. > > As for bugs? After OS 1.1, the Repeater was mostly > bug free. The two > major bugs I'm aware of are the volume "bump" at the > loop's beginning. > (this never really bothered me much. I could only > hear it when I was > playing a perfectly smooth drone, which is pretty > much never.) and the > wonky MIDI clock thing that prevented me from using > the Repeater as a > clock source for the MoFX and the Lexicon MPX1. > Since I do a lot with a > drum machine anyway, that didn't bother me too much > either. The ambient > show I did on Sunday night relied on the clock from > my AdrenaLinn, which > seems just fine. > > The pluses? Great effects loop. Great pitch > shifting. Great tempo > shifting. Stereo. Quad. 8 min loops. > > So basically, I just want to say that the Repeater > was and IS still a > great product. If I didn't own one, I'd be buying > one now before they're > gone forever. Electrix's mistakes had nothing to do > with their product, > but more about internal stuff that I'm sure we'll > never really know > about. Here's what not to do as a company: > > Discontinue all of your products except for one. > Tell the public release dates that have nothing to > do with reality. > Make up lies about why the product is late that are > obviously pure > bullshit. > Alternate giving lot's of info out to the public, > with being totally > silent. > Ignore customers that offer (for free) to hold > seminars on your product. > > I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of them > right now. > > Mark > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 16:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27839; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:24:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:24:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2B4665.C4CCAE8E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:23:59 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've yet to actually play where people were dancing, but the beats I use tend to be inspired by Hip Hop, and other forms of urban dance music. I'm gearing up to provide more middle eastern flavored beats to accompany my wife's belly dancing troupe. Mark Sottilaro Paul Weissman wrote: > ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their looping tools to > make dance music? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 16:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27849; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:24:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:24:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: prerecorded loops Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:23:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 20:23:59.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E9251D0:01C22786] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most of the time I'm turned off by prerecorded loops. A lot of performances have lost points with me because the musicians put on a cd of the musical background and simply soloed over it. The same goes for pre-programmed drum machines. To me it's a turnoff. Part of the challenge behind making a live solo (or small group) performance work is to find ways to do everything you need onstage, which includes cutting some elements that might not be necessary. But then again, I come from a very improvisational background. Also, my latest live performances have been built entirely on prerecorded loops. Those have been a different approach though. It involves getting 4 tape recorders of different field recordings to sound good together. Most of the loops are not in recognizeable rhythmic patters, and I what I do with them is rarely something I planned the night before. I'm feeling a little ill today, so please forgive me if this message comes off as a little too something or other. Matt www.mp3.com/mattdavignon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 16:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28229; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:28:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:28:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:27:55 -0800 Subject: Re: prerecorded loops From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Most of the time I'm turned off by prerecorded loops. A lot of performances > have lost points with me because the musicians put on a cd of the musical > background and simply soloed over it. The same goes for pre-programmed drum > machines. To me it's a turnoff. Part of the challenge behind making a live > solo (or small group) performance work is to find ways to do everything you > need onstage, which includes cutting some elements that might not be > necessary. Matt > www.mp3.com/mattdavignon i concur s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 16:45:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30053; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:44:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:44:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: Looping with Brother Sean Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:45:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c22789$97f00e90$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2275F.AF1A0690" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2275F.AF1A0690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would interested in thoughts and comments concerning this live clip of my band Brother Sean. Just Hold Still http://www.brothersean.com/audio/JHS_ug_6_9_02.mp3 Brother Sean is just my brother (bass) and I (vocals, guitar & loops) and an MPC 2000xl playing the drum loop. There is some guitar looping (using an EDP) in the middle of the song but more extensive loops at the end. The vocal loop at the end as an Eventide Eclipse on it (Angelic Echos). The drum loop has been modified since this was recorded; I'm pretty new at programming drums. But working hard and learning! Enjoy, Kevin www.brothersean.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2275F.AF1A0690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would interested in = thoughts and comments concerning this live clip of my band Brother = Sean.

 

Just Hold Still

http://www.br= othersean.com/audio/JHS_ug_6_9_02.mp3

 

Brother Sean is just my brother (bass) and I (vocals, = guitar & loops) and an MPC 2000xl playing the drum = loop.

There is some guitar looping (using an EDP) in the = middle of the song but more extensive loops at the = end.

 

The vocal loop at the end = as an Eventide Eclipse on it (Angelic Echos).

 

The drum loop has been modified since this was = recorded; I’m pretty new at programming drums. But

working= hard and learning!

 

Enjoy,

Kevin

 

www.brothersean.com

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2275F.AF1A0690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 17:05:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32402; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: prerecorded loops Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:02:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 21:02:02.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF8359E0:01C2278B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Most of the time I'm turned off by prerecorded loops. A lot of performances > have lost points with me because the musicians put on a cd of the musical > background and simply soloed over it. The same goes for pre-programmed drum > machines. To me it's a turnoff. Hear hear. I've seen more than one act get up on stage and do nothing but playback beats from their synths. Why not just play the cd? (If it's more than one person, why not just synch up cd players? Or all stand around a repeater, with one hand on your volume knob?) It's also the biggest problem I have with my own current 'live' sound, 50% of my noise comes from live loops and electric instruments, but the other half is painfully sequenced. I've been trying very hard to get away from it, but current technology limit things :< At this point, the only option seems to be to >add< a second sequencer, to make up for the poor level of interactivity of the one I am using. This will be putting me one laptop outside the '10 minute set up' limit, and those dj booths aren't getting any larger :/ > Part of the challenge behind making a live > solo (or small group) performance work is to find ways to do everything you > need onstage, which includes cutting some elements that might not be > necessary. I wouldn't call it a challenge myself, though I agree with the gist of what you are saying. It's not the 'challenge' or 'not challenge' that people came to see - they came to hear expression in aural form, so you need to justify the trouble they took to come and see you instead of just playing your cd. Otherwise, why bother? And no, guitar noodle over pre-recorded tracks is not 'extra expression' :> (Not that I haven't been guilty of that myself in the past) > > But then again, I come from a very improvisational background. > No need for caveats - you're making sense. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 17:16:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00731; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:15:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:15:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.1089f110.2a5cac25@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:14:13 EDT Subject: Re: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15a.1089f110.2a5cac25_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15a.1089f110.2a5cac25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/9/02 4:07:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philraath@yahoo.com writes: > problem w/ the boomerang (which i love, don't > misunderstand) was that in creating percussive loops > on the guitar, after 5 or 6 layers the percussive was > completely decayed phil.....with the rang + you can set it so nothing goes away and over-dub your brains out.....does get a bit overpowering though.....:).....michael --part1_15a.1089f110.2a5cac25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/9/02 4:07:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philraath@yahoo.com writes:


problem w/ the boomerang (which i love, don't
misunderstand) was that in creating percussive loops
on the guitar, after 5 or 6 layers the percussive was
completely decayed


phil.....with the rang + you can set it so nothing goes away and over-dub your brains out.....does get a bit overpowering though.....:).....michael --part1_15a.1089f110.2a5cac25_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 17:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01775; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:29:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:29:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:30:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2B2E4600000433@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: prerecorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA01733 Resent-Message-ID: <1ZNT0D.A.Yb.rW1K9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm... I guess I spend too much time going to CCRMA to hear 'piece for violin and tape' and 'composition for tape and cello'... or, worse yet 'tape machine duet'... hehe... :) but, seriously, we are talking about performance, so, I would tend to agree if there is no 'performance' happening, then something is lacking... but, if someone performs on a solo instrument, but, for whatever reason, doesn't have a band, it seems that prerecorded backing music makes sense... nine inch nails (until thier last tour) ran 7 tracks of prerecorded material along with thier live instrument playing... this, of course, greatly impinges on the 'improvability', but, imo, did not take away from the 'performance'... just a couple of cents from the few I have... :) -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >To: >Subject: Re: prerecorded loops >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:02:01 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >> Most of the time I'm turned off by prerecorded loops. A lot of >performances >> have lost points with me because the musicians put on a cd of the musical >> background and simply soloed over it. The same goes for pre-programmed >drum >> machines. To me it's a turnoff. > >Hear hear. > >I've seen more than one act get up on stage and do nothing but playback >beats from their synths. Why not just play the cd? (If it's more than one >person, why not just synch up cd players? Or all stand around a repeater, >with one hand on your volume knob?) > >It's also the biggest problem I have with my own current 'live' sound, 50% >of my noise comes from live loops and electric instruments, but the other >half is painfully sequenced. I've been trying very hard to get away from >it, >but current technology limit things :< > >At this point, the only option seems to be to >add< a second sequencer, to >make up for the poor level of interactivity of the one I am using. This will >be putting me one laptop outside the '10 minute set up' limit, and those >dj >booths aren't getting any larger :/ > >> Part of the challenge behind making a live >> solo (or small group) performance work is to find ways to do everything >you >> need onstage, which includes cutting some elements that might not be >> necessary. > >I wouldn't call it a challenge myself, though I agree with the gist of what >you are saying. It's not the 'challenge' or 'not challenge' that people came >to see - they came to hear expression in aural form, so you need to justify >the trouble they took to come and see you instead of just playing your cd. >Otherwise, why bother? And no, guitar noodle over pre-recorded tracks is >not >'extra expression' :> (Not that I haven't been guilty of that myself in the >past) > >> >> But then again, I come from a very improvisational background. >> > >No need for caveats - you're making sense. > >bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 17:50:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02683; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:47:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:46:46 -0800 Subject: Re: prerecorded loops From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D2B2E4600000433@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hmmm... I guess I spend too much time going to CCRMA to hear 'piece for > violin and tape' and 'composition for tape and cello'... or, worse yet 'tape > machine duet'... hehe... :) thats one thing that is done...among a million others > > but, seriously, we are talking about performance, so, I would tend to agree > if there is no 'performance' happening, then something is lacking... but, > if someone performs on a solo instrument, but, for whatever reason, doesn't > have a band, it seems that prerecorded backing music makes sense... sorry to me it doesnt make any sense.for me its about honesty and reality.the latter which i'm not too familiar w/ sometimes... > > nine inch nails (until thier last tour) ran 7 tracks of prerecorded material > along with thier live instrument playing... this, of course, greatly impinges > on the 'improvability', but, imo, did not take away from the 'performance'... yeah and band plays to a dat tape(*a lotta bands do it*)-sorry they all lose points on immediacy and thinkin creatively on yer toes... > > just a couple of cents from the few I have... :) just a different perspective... s > > -cpr > >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >> To: >> Subject: Re: prerecorded loops >> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:02:01 -0700 >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> Most of the time I'm turned off by prerecorded loops. A lot of >> performances >>> have lost points with me because the musicians put on a cd of the musical >>> background and simply soloed over it. The same goes for pre-programmed >> drum >>> machines. To me it's a turnoff. >> >> Hear hear. >> >> I've seen more than one act get up on stage and do nothing but playback >> beats from their synths. Why not just play the cd? (If it's more than > one >> person, why not just synch up cd players? Or all stand around a repeater, >> with one hand on your volume knob?) >> >> It's also the biggest problem I have with my own current 'live' sound, > 50% >> of my noise comes from live loops and electric instruments, but the other >> half is painfully sequenced. I've been trying very hard to get away from >> it, >> but current technology limit things :< >> >> At this point, the only option seems to be to >add< a second sequencer, > to >> make up for the poor level of interactivity of the one I am using. This > will >> be putting me one laptop outside the '10 minute set up' limit, and those >> dj >> booths aren't getting any larger :/ >> >>> Part of the challenge behind making a live >>> solo (or small group) performance work is to find ways to do everything >> you >>> need onstage, which includes cutting some elements that might not be >>> necessary. >> >> I wouldn't call it a challenge myself, though I agree with the gist of > what >> you are saying. It's not the 'challenge' or 'not challenge' that people > came >> to see - they came to hear expression in aural form, so you need to justify >> the trouble they took to come and see you instead of just playing your > cd. >> Otherwise, why bother? And no, guitar noodle over pre-recorded tracks is >> not >> 'extra expression' :> (Not that I haven't been guilty of that myself in > the >> past) >> >>> >>> But then again, I come from a very improvisational background. >>> >> >> No need for caveats - you're making sense. >> >> bIz >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 18:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04698; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:05:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:04:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D2B2E4600000168@mta08.san.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, there's two ways of looking at it, as far as i can tell... the structured vs unstructed. dance music is either: - anything anyone can dance to, even a little OR - a large industry made up of highly specific genres, mostly using rigid or programmed beats. house, trance, techno, jungle, breakbeat - with all the myriad of subgenres therein AND hip-hop, dancehall of course this is most likely an endlessly debatable topic... which isn't really the point, but is definitely worth defining briefly in order to have the discussion in the first place. i was personally mostly interested in those people working in the SECOND category. people who feel comfortable performing in between dj sets, or at an event where people are expecting to dance to your set (club, rave, house party, festival, etc.) but hell, it's all interesting! > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers > > > if I may be so bold, what is 'dance' music? anything with a beat? > or something > more specific... :) > > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Paul Weissman" > >To: > >Subject: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers > >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:27:06 -0700 > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > >ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their looping tools > >to > >make dance music? > > > >and while i'm talking about dance music, i seriously consider richie > >hawtin's latest album release 'DE9: Closer To The Edit' to be a wonderful > >example of how looping can be used creatively. he takes a whole stack > of > >techno records, edits them down to small loops and recombines them into > a > >mix that moves so quickly from song to song, you hardly get a chance to > >notice where loops start and stop. definitely minimal, definitely > >listenable, definitely cool. check it out. > > > >richie was (don't know about now) a heavy repeater user. > > > >paul > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 18:06:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04696; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:05:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:04:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <36-gr.A.IJB.M41K9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Most of the time I'm turned off by prerecorded loops. A lot of > performances > have lost points with me because the musicians put on a cd of the musical > background and simply soloed over it. The same goes for > pre-programmed drum > machines. To me it's a turnoff. Part of the challenge behind > making a live > solo (or small group) performance work is to find ways to do > everything you > need onstage, which includes cutting some elements that might not be > necessary. i also, couldn't agree more. which is exactly why i use prerecorded loops. (ok, there are some other reasons too) i come from a completely instrumental jazz background, and until i was bitten by the dance music bug i only played live, in groups. but once i saw this whole other world, i realized that improvisation could be applied there too, without compromising the essence or style of the music. the problem with prerecorded loops isn't the concept, but how they've been used. there's a complete stigma to them... and it's mostly justified. people are fabulously uncreative with loops and drum machines. but that does not mean you have to be. and that's where it's fascinating... to me. the one thing that i really miss is having other musicians on stage to create that live inter-musician dynamic that's so exciting. but, as people have pointed out on this list, multiple people on stage can be both incredible and incredibly frustrating. there's definitely trade offs. paul > > But then again, I come from a very improvisational background. > > Also, my latest live performances have been built entirely on prerecorded > loops. Those have been a different approach though. It involves getting 4 > tape recorders of different field recordings to sound good > together. Most of > the loops are not in recognizeable rhythmic patters, and I what I do with > them is rarely something I planned the night before. > > I'm feeling a little ill today, so please forgive me if this > message comes > off as a little too something or other. > > Matt > www.mp3.com/mattdavignon > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 18:10:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05289; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:09:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020709145234.031d5e70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:10:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise In-Reply-To: <20020709183931.94724.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:39 AM 7/9/2002, Greg House wrote: >The looper in the DL4 also presents a feature checkmark (in marketing >terms) that other competing products probably feel they need to also >include. just correcting the history a bit here: Line6 copied the Boomerang feature set almost exactly for their looper in the DL-4. The main obvious difference is one less button, forcing line6 to do the odd halfspeed/reverse combo on one button. In Line6's original literature from before they shipped the DL-4 they even referred to the looper as a "Boomerang Model". This disappeared shortly later, probably when Boomerang pointed out that they did not agree to this use of their name. so in reality, it is Boomerang that should get the credit for the basic feature check list for a footpedal looper. >That also expands the exposure of musicians to looping >devices, further enhancing the market for such a device. This should >eventually lead to more sales of great units like the EDP, and >potentially enough market for other vendors to add full-featured >loopers. That is true. Having a variety of devices in the market brings more people to the idea of looping. Sooner or later many of those people become customers of the other companies making similar devices. Also, just the collective effort of several different companies marketing the idea helps everybody, since nobody has the resources to do a big enough marketing effort on their own. The real source of growth for any company making niche products like these is the huge pool of potential users who don't use any of them yet. Stealing the relatively tiny number of current customers from each other doesn't amount to much. So even from a manufacturer's point of view, having more companies involved is better in the long run even if it doesn't always seem that way in the short run.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 18:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05660; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:17:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2B2E460000051F@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA05598 Resent-Message-ID: <0tGdN.A.tXB.EC2K9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul, In that case, I play some of both 1 and 2.. hehe... I mean, my focus in 'dynamics', so, in general, my set might not work for the catagory you were asking about, in that I may very well go from a techno-ish beat into some totally spaced out ambient feel... But, in the breadth of what I am doing, extremely danceable beats, synth lines, etc, happen... :) I have considered working on creating sets that are completely dance oriented, and looking for gigs doing what you are talking about, but, I've not gone there yet... -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Paul Weissman" >To: >Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:04:43 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >well, there's two ways of looking at it, as far as i can tell... the >structured vs unstructed. > >dance music is either: > >- anything anyone can dance to, even a little > >OR > >- a large industry made up of highly specific genres, mostly using rigid >or >programmed beats. >house, trance, techno, jungle, breakbeat - with all the myriad of subgenres >therein >AND >hip-hop, dancehall > > >of course this is most likely an endlessly debatable topic... which isn't >really the point, but is definitely worth defining briefly in order to have >the discussion in the first place. > >i was personally mostly interested in those people working in the SECOND >category. people who feel comfortable performing in between dj sets, or >at >an event where people are expecting to dance to your set (club, rave, house >party, festival, etc.) > >but hell, it's all interesting! > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:36 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers >> >> >> if I may be so bold, what is 'dance' music? anything with a beat? >> or something >> more specific... :) >> >> -cpr >> >> >-- Original Message -- >> >From: "Paul Weissman" >> >To: >> >Subject: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers >> >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:27:06 -0700 >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> > >> > >> >ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their looping tools >> >to >> >make dance music? >> > >> >and while i'm talking about dance music, i seriously consider richie >> >hawtin's latest album release 'DE9: Closer To The Edit' to be a wonderful >> >example of how looping can be used creatively. he takes a whole stack >> of >> >techno records, edits them down to small loops and recombines them into >> a >> >mix that moves so quickly from song to song, you hardly get a chance to >> >notice where loops start and stop. definitely minimal, definitely >> >listenable, definitely cool. check it out. >> > >> >richie was (don't know about now) a heavy repeater user. >> > >> >paul >> > >> > >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 18:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06205; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:24:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:24:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020709151103.03118150@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:21:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper census In-Reply-To: <3D2B30C4.BED0DB08@zerocrossing.net> References: <20020709145129.16204.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6mxxb.A.YgB.jK2K9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:51 AM 7/9/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >So basically, I just want to say that the Repeater was and IS still a >great product. If I didn't own one, I'd be buying one now before they're >gone forever. Electrix's mistakes had nothing to do with their product, >but more about internal stuff that I'm sure we'll never really know >about. Here's what not to do as a company: > >Discontinue all of your products except for one. >Tell the public release dates that have nothing to do with reality. >Make up lies about why the product is late that are obviously pure >bullshit. >Alternate giving lot's of info out to the public, with being totally >silent. >Ignore customers that offer (for free) to hold seminars on your product. > >I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of them right now. since I opened my repeater the other day and poked around, I would also add: - engineer a very costly to manufacture product, with expensive parts, multiple PCB's, custom plastics, extrusions, expensive power supply, and a lot of complex hand assembly requirements; target it for a small niche market; then set the list price of your product at only $750. Six months later, smack palm against forehead and say, "ohhh, you mean we were supposed to sell it for *more* than it cost to build it?" kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 18:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06776; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:47:14 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: eventide orville To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a401c2279a$921e47a0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007101c226fc$996f0880$420e88cf@stevespc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do you like the Eclipse? I'm thinking about that or the TC Fireworx ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: RE: eventide orville > You know who you might check with is Alto Music. They have treated me > very well and I have yet to beat their prices, even from my local Guitar > Center who I have been doing business with for the past 3 years. I > recently bought my Eventide Eclipse there and I couldn't be happier. > > M. Steven Ginn > > ******************************** > Please go to > > Listen to the music. > Purchase the CD > Support the NY Firefighters > 9/11 Relief Fund > ******************************** > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:47 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > > > let me do a little research...i recall getting my 7K > > for a bit less than ktj's price. i paid 2800 while > > ktj advertised their's for an even 3 large. i'll get > > back to you with the contact information for the shop > > i bought from if you're interested. > > > > i'm not even sure they carry the orville and if they > > do, it will still be over 4 grand. it's up to you. i > > have the information if you'd like it. > > > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 18:45:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07069; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:44:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: prerecorded loops Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:44:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 22:43:19.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[05D35CE0:01C2279A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really dig what someone said about the key being that there needs to be a performance of some sort on stage. This is a very open and accepting way of looking at it - if there's pre-produced material being played back, there better be something else for me to enjoy or else I'd just invite all my friends over to come listen to my stereo. Do you avoid dance performances if they use pre-recorded music? I also don't apriciate any attempt to hide the fact that there's pre-recorded material being played - a good performer would flaunt it and use its strengths to some advantage. Personally I have no interest in anything pre-recorded, pre-sequenced, or not created on stage in my own performances - and I think this stems from my inability to dance correctly - although an attempt could be quite entertaining for sure... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 18:48:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07257; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:47:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:47:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709224648.59353.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:46:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: prerecorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207092206.SAA04801@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > yeah and band plays to a dat tape(*a > lotta bands do it*)-sorry they > all lose points on immediacy and thinkin > creatively on yer toes... > > True. It might work up to a certain point, but there's still something missing. I remember seeing Mr. Bungle on tour for California, and they had this ridiculous setup to recreate the songs on the album, like 6 keyboards on stage, and they were jumping back and forth through instruments...one guy would change the patch on another guy's keyboard while he was busy playing guitar, and so on...it added a certain level of excitement that wouldn't have been there if they just played to a DAT. Not to mention that they HAD to give their 100% in order for it to work. It just takes some creativity and a willingness to take risks. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 19:03:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09017; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:01:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:01:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020709230056.96504.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #417 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207091948.PAA21680@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: lance glover > > So the DL4 can be considered as a "gateway" > device, leading the curious but unsuspecting > musician to "harder" loopers? ;-) > > hm, yes...the "stepping stone" theory. maybe it > works with loopers tho... > That's how it worked for me. Using the DL4 let me have a better idea of what i needed, which led me to get a Repeater. > AT> From: "Paul Weissman" > > ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the > list use their looping tools to > make dance music? Sort of. I got into looping because I wanted to exloit the percussive possibilities of the acoustic guitar, so i would make drum loops by hitting the guitar in different spots. A lot of the loops ended up being a Roni Size-type groove. Solo acoustic drum'n'bass. :) And now i'm getting more into "electronic" music and i'm seeing the possibilities of syncing my Repeater to my laptop for live shows, but I haven't started experimenting seriously with it yet. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 19:28:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09895; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: OT: visual effects for PC audio Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:36:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a real time visual effects software program that generates interesting patterns from selectable audio inputs? I was thinking of something like a better quality winamp plugin that can do the same thing with audio from my mixing board... Basically, I want to have visual effects on a screen at our rehersals. :) Thanks, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 19:32:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10112; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:31:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:31:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:33:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2B2E460000065F@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: OT: visual effects for PC audio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA10071 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, I wonder if you can use winamp to do this? You can setup winamp to get input from a line, or mic, input, but, I don't know if it will run it's visualization based on this input... I'm at the office, otherwise I would test it... Let me know what you find out... :) -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Tim Goodwin" >To: >Subject: OT: visual effects for PC audio >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:36:15 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Is there a real time visual effects software program that generates >interesting patterns from selectable audio inputs? > >I was thinking of something like a better quality winamp plugin that can >do >the same thing with audio from my mixing board... > >Basically, I want to have visual effects on a screen at our rehersals. :) > >Thanks, > >Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 19:49:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10924; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:48:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:48:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF Event: Field Effects 5 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:46:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 23:46:33.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAE74510:01C227A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----------[ Quiet American presents at 964 Natoma ]-------------------- Field Effects 5: Depth of Field Friday, July 19th Doors 8pm, show 8:30pm 964 Natoma, San Francisco, CA USA $6-10 sliding, no one turned away for lack of funds ----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- The world makes music, remember to listen. The world makes images, remember to watch. Field Effects 5 offers a night of field recording-based sound and visual art. The fifth in a series of concerts showcasing artists using found materials, Field Effects 5 focuses on work with a visual component: video, film or slide projection. While we've hosted visual work before, this is the first Field Effects show devoted entirely to work with a visual component... Field Effects 5 features work by Bay Area artists: ryan junell (of Sagan) Ryan Junell is a San Francisco based designer and videographer. He is one third of the bay area concept band "Sagan" featuring Blevin Blectum and J Lesser. http://www.texasmonkey.com keith evans (of silt) 'birds of the night sky cut images with the tips of their wings. opposing clusters mark the bounds; auditive lines for a nocturnal survey.' gregory cowley (of TEST:) Gregory Cowley is a San Francisco based visual artist working in electronic projection media and sound in performance settings. Since 1997, he has created and performed as the TEST: project, an elaborate spectacle that combines the low-tech beauty of projected slides with high tech computer control systems. 'Flow' is a multi-sensory "musical composition" improvised on a custom image and sound instrument, to create a "living film." The result is a visual representation of a complex system of layers of manipulated control nodes. http://www.testsite.org http://www.transcinema.com sk reimers, seth warren, dave d. (downrvvr) 'The work to be presented consists of approximately 30 minutes of field-recorded video, divided into two parts, exploring space & movement. It will be accompanied by a live mix of subtly manipulated sounds recorded on various metallic sculptures in the east bay.' The Field Effects series showcases artists who are interested in framing the hidden beauty of the everyday world: beauty on the surface, awaiting our attention. Beauty that must be delicately extracted. And beauty in potential, awaiting juxtaposition, collage, repetition and mutilation. Seating mostly on futons to encourage comfortable deep listening (and this time, comfortable viewing!). With luck we'll have some beanbags this time... Depending on weather, hot or cold drinks will be available. Depending on her schedule, Diane might make cookies. ----> Venue Info <------------------------------------------------------ 964 Natoma San Francisco, CA, USA Between Mission and Howard, 10th and 11th street, south of market. A few blocks from Civic Center BART. One block from Market & Van Ness. Bike parking inside. ----> Additional Info <------------------------------------------------- ghede@well.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 20:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13388; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:14:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020710001338.13119.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207092206.SAA04801@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5iHx2B.A.wQD.zw3K9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >phil.....with the rang + you can set it so nothing >goes away and over-dub your brains out.....does get a >bit overpowering though.....:).....michael understood...i had been thinking about sending it in for the upgrade, but decided just to go with the repeater for now. i will probably upgrade the 'rang at some point as well... thanks for the head's up! phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 20:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13664; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:20:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:20:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9B8@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:18:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1135A228361232-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- I'm wondering if someone can help, i wasn't able to find what i needed in the archives, and i'm sure that many of you have done this before. I'm attempting to add a MIDI footpedal to control my EDP for two reasons: 1. My EDP-specific footpedal has two sporadically-working switches and its not much of a pedal. 2. I'm interested in seeing how the EDP works with a MIDI footpedal so i can assess whether the new software is user-friendly enough on the fly to be worth the purchase price (i'm not very MIDI-savvy, most is done live). At any rate, my pedal is the Yamaha MFC10 (its wind controller friendly). I have MIDI Out from the MFC10 to a MIDI routing box, to the MIDI In on the EDP. The MFC10 can send note info, cc info etc., so i assume that it should work with the EDP. However, the "User's Guide" is not very useful so far. I don't see any MIDI spec as to what messages each button might respond to, etc.... The relevant things that i've found are: ControlSource (which i've set to "not" for Notes). Source# (which is set to 36). Channel (which is set to 1, the same as the footpedal). So, i believed that if i sent out a MIDI note on message of 36 from my footpedal to the EDP, the Parameter button should be triggered, is that right? And by extension, Record takes a MIDI note of 38, Overdub 39 and so on.... So, i set up my footcontroller to send these MIDI notes, but no change from the EDP. I don't know if i'm missing something 'obvious' or not. So far, the MIDI footpedal is a total waste of $$. If anyone has any light that they can shed, i'd appreciate it and i'd also REALLY like to hear from someone who is currently using this particular pedal. cheers, jim. James Lanpheer Database Administrator National Access System Phone: 303.267.5175 Email: lanpheer.james.a@broadband.att.com <<...OLE_Obj...>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 20:56:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14972; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:55:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <30.297a2152.2a5cdfb8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:54:16 EDT Subject: Re: prerecorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <9FWzp.A.NpD.dX4K9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Hmmmm . . . interesting discussion. I can well understand most of your aversions to prerecorded elements in music as somehow being "fake" or something. We all remember Mili Vanilli pretty well I suppose. And, as loopers we may all be a little bit sensitive to folks thinking the same about what we do -- that looping is a "cheat" of some kind. However, for the past couple of years I have been using at least SOME prerecorded loops in my performances and recordings. It was not always like that though . . . It's been a fairly recent thing for me. But, provisionally, I have no problem with anything that's creative and "works" on some "gut" level. But hey . . . that's just me. Once upon a time . . . When I lived in southern California there were any number of brilliant people to call on at any time (or so it seemed) to organize a jam, a gig or a recording session for the stuff I was interested in doing . . . whenever or whatever. I may be over-romanticising the past a little . . . but whatever. Now that I live in Medford, OR there seems to be a dearth of musicians around of my own "ilk" (whatever the heck that is) and interests to try to put something together and pull something off. So, a few years ago I began by recording snippets of my own past material, tweaking it in the computer and loading it into a phrase sampler to form the "ambient beds" of some "new" pieces. It could be backwards samples me or my 3 kid's singing . . . or some of my own m'bira or ocarina playing . . . or didgeridoo or keyboard or kitchen utensils . . . power tools, whatever . . . what have you. It was my stuff and I was trying to find ways of making a "live" audio collage to play with and against. And . . . I had enough gear to cart to a gig already without bringing a whole orchestra's worth of instruments along too. I've been doing looping since the early '80s. So . . . it just didn't seem like that big of a "conceptual" jump to use loops of material that I'd previously created at home in the studio. Nobody could really "play" the stuff I was doing this with anyway. Forget Milli Vanilli, even Pink Floyd has been pre recording "music concrete" accompaniment for decades. It's nothing new. Great gobs of folks were doing it eons before that. Anywho, I share most folks a strong distaste for drum machines. But, I eventually I discovered that in the computer I could take a snippet of live (or prerecorded) druming/percussion and make a somewhat more interesting "beat" loop out of it than I could EVER actually program into a drum machine. Yes, sometimes these loops were very "static." But still, somehow they were pretty compelling and even musically "useful" nonetheless. Eventually I found ways if gathering several loops that fit together as an interesting "family" so to speak . . . ambient stuff that interrelated thematically, plus percussion bits that interlocked and subdivided time in interesting ways and pads/swells that were in the same keys. These formed the basises of new "pieces" that could still be "played" in a live sense . . . minimally, sort of . . . and they also allowed some flexibility still to turn that "unexpected corner" every now and then to explore an idea that hadn't occurred to me before when improvising on my guitar. And . . . to play with the idea even further . . . I eventually took one of those silly Yamaha keyboards with those danged canned rhythm tracks in it (I'd bought it for my kids originally) and I recorded some of the more fun, ironic, ersatz bits into my computer, treated and distorted the holy bejezus out of them and "viola" . . . some of the more "rockish" pieces on my CD were sort of unintentionally born that way. Ironically, I'd put them together originally so I could "exorcise" all those rock guitar "wankster" demons in the safety and privacy of my own home . . . and get them out of my system before a studio recording or practice session of more "serious pieces." Funny thing is that they got recorded anyway and it is often THOSE tracks that s some folks single out as faves on the CD . . . go figure. So, here I am. Using unsequenced but still very much prerecorded material in what I do in the studio and live. Is it legitimate? Is it fakery and flimflammery? I dunno. Is it real or Memorex? A little of each I suppose. The whole live audio "collage" aspect still seems fun and "immediate" and emotionally real to me . . . but I'm pretty sure there's something seriously "wrong" with me anyway so it's better not to judge by what I think. I try to keep a sense of humor (and perspective) about the proceedings anyway. Here's another question . . . In the past 6 months I have snipped a bit of orchestral music from an obscure foreign movie soundtrack CD . . . just a couple of string swells and a swell or two of brass. I had to alter them to be in the same key as each other (and all of them together into one of the keys I like to play in on the guitar). As individual elements one would never associate them with any particular piece of someone's "intellectual property" they are almost so completely and totally generic -- though in truth I must admit that they are still, in fact, other artist's work (especially the orchestra's), even though I've edited and altered them significantly with filters and other processing in Hyperprism. Until I have access to an orchestra of my own . . . am I doing something seriously wrong here? Maybe? Maybe not? Someone wanna offer an opinion? One of my favorite electronic musicians, James Tenney, made a "digital" sample of Elvis's "Blue Suede Shoes" straight off a single record at Bell Labs in the early '60s. The computer recording "medium" at the time was a big stack of IBM punch cards -- anyone here remember those? Anywho, He took those cards and semi- randomly shuffled them up and then ran them back through the computer again. The resulting recording became one of his major "breakthrough" pieces -- though it wouldn't sound too remarkable to anyone nowadays with the audio capabilities of personal computers currently available. Modern sampling . . . and maybe even a few DJs owe a lot to him conceptually. In the meantime . . . I dunno. Fake? Real? I'm just makin' noise, playing guitar and amusing myself I suppose. What I do isn't for everybody. And I'm certainly not making any money off it (though I don't think THAT'S any excuse either). Is it music? Is it artistically valid? Is it honest? These are all serious questions. Hey . . . let the "flame" wars begin. Best regards, Ted Killian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 21:32:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18048; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:31:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:31:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.145.186.243] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <30.297a2152.2a5cdfb8@aol.com> Subject: Re: prerecorded loops Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:44:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 01:30:59.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[7223D200:01C227B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a simple philosophy on this: 1 .only have on tape "that which CANNOT be played live" and 2. dont pretend that it is.. i find i sleep very well! Mark Red ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:54 AM Subject: Re: prerecorded loops > Hi all, > > Hmmmm . . . interesting discussion. I can well understand > most of your aversions to prerecorded elements in music > as somehow being "fake" or something. We all remember > Mili Vanilli pretty well I suppose. And, as loopers we > may all be a little bit sensitive to folks thinking the same > about what we do -- that looping is a "cheat" of some kind. > > However, for the past couple of years I have been using at > least SOME prerecorded loops in my performances and > recordings. It was not always like that though . . . It's been > a fairly recent thing for me. But, provisionally, I have no problem > with anything that's creative and "works" on some "gut" level. > But hey . . . that's just me. > > Once upon a time . . . > > When I lived in southern California there were any number > of brilliant people to call on at any time (or so it seemed) to > organize a jam, a gig or a recording session for the stuff > I was interested in doing . . . whenever or whatever. I may > be over-romanticising the past a little . . . but whatever. > Now that I live in Medford, OR there seems to be a dearth > of musicians around of my own "ilk" (whatever the heck that > is) and interests to try to put something together and > pull something off. > > So, a few years ago I began by recording snippets of my > own past material, tweaking it in the computer and loading > it into a phrase sampler to form the "ambient beds" of > some "new" pieces. It could be backwards samples me or > my 3 kid's singing . . . or some of my own m'bira or ocarina > playing . . . or didgeridoo or keyboard or kitchen utensils . . . > power tools, whatever . . . what have you. It was my stuff and > I was trying to find ways of making a "live" audio collage to > play with and against. And . . . I had enough gear to cart to a gig > already without bringing a whole orchestra's worth of instruments > along too. > > I've been doing looping since the early '80s. So . . . it just > didn't seem like that big of a "conceptual" jump to use loops > of material that I'd previously created at home in the studio. > Nobody could really "play" the stuff I was doing this with > anyway. Forget Milli Vanilli, even Pink Floyd has been pre > recording "music concrete" accompaniment for decades. > It's nothing new. Great gobs of folks were doing it eons > before that. > > Anywho, I share most folks a strong distaste for drum machines. > But, I eventually I discovered that in the computer I could > take a snippet of live (or prerecorded) druming/percussion > and make a somewhat more interesting "beat" loop out of it > than I could EVER actually program into a drum machine. > Yes, sometimes these loops were very "static." But still, > somehow they were pretty compelling and even musically > "useful" nonetheless. > > Eventually I found ways if gathering several loops that fit > together as an interesting "family" so to speak . . . ambient > stuff that interrelated thematically, plus percussion bits > that interlocked and subdivided time in interesting ways and > pads/swells that were in the same keys. These formed > the basises of new "pieces" that could still be "played" in > a live sense . . . minimally, sort of . . . and they also > allowed some flexibility still to turn that "unexpected corner" > every now and then to explore an idea that hadn't occurred > to me before when improvising on my guitar. > > And . . . to play with the idea even further . . . I eventually took > one of those silly Yamaha keyboards with those danged canned > rhythm tracks in it (I'd bought it for my kids originally) and > I recorded some of the more fun, ironic, ersatz bits into my > computer, treated and distorted the holy bejezus out of them > and "viola" . . . some of the more "rockish" pieces on my CD > were sort of unintentionally born that way. Ironically, I'd put > them together originally so I could "exorcise" all those rock > guitar "wankster" demons in the safety and privacy of my own > home . . . and get them out of my system before a studio recording > or practice session of more "serious pieces." Funny thing is that > they got recorded anyway and it is often THOSE tracks that s > some folks single out as faves on the CD . . . go figure. > > So, here I am. Using unsequenced but still very much prerecorded > material in what I do in the studio and live. Is it legitimate? Is it > fakery and flimflammery? I dunno. Is it real or Memorex? A little > of each I suppose. The whole live audio "collage" aspect still seems > fun and "immediate" and emotionally real to me . . . but I'm pretty > sure there's something seriously "wrong" with me anyway so it's > better not to judge by what I think. I try to keep a sense of humor > (and perspective) about the proceedings anyway. > > Here's another question . . . > > In the past 6 months I have snipped a bit of orchestral music > from an obscure foreign movie soundtrack CD . . . just a couple > of string swells and a swell or two of brass. I had to alter them to be > in the same key as each other (and all of them together into one of > the keys I like to play in on the guitar). As individual elements one > would never associate them with any particular piece of someone's > "intellectual property" they are almost so completely and totally > generic -- though in truth I must admit that they are still, in fact, > other artist's work (especially the orchestra's), even though I've > edited and altered them significantly with filters and other processing in > Hyperprism. Until I have access to an orchestra of my own . . . am > I doing something seriously wrong here? Maybe? Maybe not? > Someone wanna offer an opinion? > > One of my favorite electronic musicians, James Tenney, made a > "digital" sample of Elvis's "Blue Suede Shoes" straight off a single > record at Bell Labs in the early '60s. The computer recording > "medium" at the time was a big stack of IBM punch cards -- anyone > here remember those? Anywho, He took those cards and semi- > randomly shuffled them up and then ran them back through the > computer again. The resulting recording became one of his major > "breakthrough" pieces -- though it wouldn't sound too remarkable > to anyone nowadays with the audio capabilities of personal computers > currently available. Modern sampling . . . and maybe even a few > DJs owe a lot to him conceptually. > > In the meantime . . . I dunno. Fake? Real? I'm just makin' noise, > playing guitar and amusing myself I suppose. What I do isn't > for everybody. And I'm certainly not making any money off it > (though I don't think THAT'S any excuse either). Is it music? Is > it artistically valid? Is it honest? These are all serious questions. > Hey . . . let the "flame" wars begin. > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 21:33:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18043; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:31:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:31:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.194.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #418 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:30:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 01:30:44.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[68C68310:01C227B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hmmm... I guess I spend too much time going to CCRMA to hear 'piece for >violin and tape' and 'composition for tape and cello'... or, worse yet >'tape >machine duet'... hehe... :) thats one thing that is done...among a million others > >but, seriously, we are talking about performance, so, I would tend to agree >if there is no 'performance' happening, then something is lacking... but, >if someone performs on a solo instrument, but, for whatever reason, doesn't >have a band, it seems that prerecorded backing music makes sense... sorry to me it doesnt make any sense.for me its about honesty and reality.the latter which i'm not too familiar w/ sometimes... > >nine inch nails (until thier last tour) ran 7 tracks of prerecorded >material >along with thier live instrument playing... this, of course, greatly >impinges >on the 'improvability', but, imo, did not take away from the >'performance'... yeah and band plays to a dat tape(*a lotta bands do it*)-sorry they all lose points on immediacy and thinkin creatively on yer toes... > >just a couple of cents from the few I have... :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 22:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21192; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.194.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prerecorded loops Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:15:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 02:15:25.0989 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7588550:01C227B7] Resent-Message-ID: <_empKC.A.yKF.cj5K9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hmmm... I guess I spend too much time going to CCRMA to hear 'piece for >violin and tape' and 'composition for tape and cello'... or, worse yet >'tape machine duet'... hehe... :) Well, those tape things are a weird case. I didn't know they were still happening. I admit I participated in a "Tape Music Festival" in april. ALL the music was prerecorded, and all the artists did was mildly adjust the EQ for the room and PA system. That was quite different from a live performance, but all of the music presented was brand new unreleased work, too intricate to be accurately represented on most home stereos, and we very specifically stated that all the music presented was prerecorded. A lot of people came, and it was a good event. >nine inch nails (until thier last tour) ran 7 tracks of prerecorded >material along with thier live instrument playing... >yeah and band plays to a dat tape(*a lotta bands do it*)-sorry they >all lose points on immediacy and thinkin creatively on yer toes... It's kind of strange that artists like Nine Inch Nails and Moby (to whom very little of the musical output is actually generated in real time) are expected to go out and do the same kind of tours as bands that play actual instruments. I understand that it's a huge challenge, yet the use of background tracks seems like such a cop out. It takes a lot away from the legitimacy of being a "live" performance. At either show, I'd much rather see them play find a way to play every element live, even if it means that they're simply hitting "A" on a keyboard for a particular sample, and the rhythm tracks don't sound exactly like the drum machine on the cd. It's quite possible to get really nice sounding electonic-ified rhythm sounds out of a regular drum kit - I've seen it done. For $50 a ticket, I would hope that tour organizers could hire somebody to do it. Then again, I'm sure most Nine Inch Nails or Moby fans would be pissed if the song they heard at the concert didn't sound like the cd. I've never been able to understand how going to a big stadium concert is so important to fans of that kind of music. Is it a matter of being in the room with the performer? Seeing him/her without it being a photograph or tv screen? That's what it was for me when I was a teen, and the lack of that line of thinking saves me a lot of money these days. >sorry to me it doesnt make any sense.for me its about honesty and >reality.the latter which i'm not too familiar w/ sometimes... I've always been under the impression that the live music event was supposed to be a tool to prove that the musician in question has the same amount of talent and innovation on stage as (s)he does on the recording. Of course, there is a number of ways in which this argument could be faulty. These days I think this cultural expectation that ALL serious musicians (especially the famous ones) should do "live performance" shows is silly and outdated. There's just too large of an amount of music that's intricately created by someone spending 40 hours on a computer - it's not even really applicable to think of loyally bringing that to a live format. Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 9 23:23:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25814; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:21:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:21:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010301c227c0$cee4cb20$0964f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207100056.UAA15198@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: visual effects for looping music on PC Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:20:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You have to have a Creative Labs Audigy Platinum sound card (at $200 it is a great deal having a breakout box and mic pre-s and USB, line inputs and lite pipe) that comes with the truly inspiring OOZIC software. As a plug, the FXTC digital animation team (made up of the top Creative visual software designers) will be providing the live digital interactive video animation for this weekends' Y2K2 LOOPFEST (3rd Annual Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival) here in Santa Cruz. You've got to see these beautiful and complex and interactive visuals to believe them. Come on to Santa Cruz if you are within easy traveling distance. If not we are trying to document the hell out of this whole weekend with digital recordings of all the performances on both stages, including the panel discussions on the Future Of Looping, Dr. Richard Zvonar's presentation on the history of Looping (Including a short performance by looping pioneer Ramon Sender) and performance/demonstrations of the Gibson EDP by Andre LaFosse, the Line 6 DL-4 (by yours truly) and the Electrix Repeater (remember that discontinued looper? he he he) and Behringer midi control footpedals by Bill Walker Check it out and happy visuals!!!! yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 00:03:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29036; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:02:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:02:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:03:55 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: OT: visual effects for PC audio -- WinAmp Works To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008701c227c6$cffb8390$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3D2B2E460000065F@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just tried it ... WinAmp has a plug-in called "NullSoft Line-In" ... you can download it from them if need be. Select that plug-in (Options, Preferences, Plug-Ins, Input), then select File, Location, then type in "linein://" (without quotes) I just plugged something into my soundcard line-in and it seems to control the visualizations ... cool! Make sure you hit "Play" in WinAmp .... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Roberts" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: RE: OT: visual effects for PC audio > Tim, > > I wonder if you can use winamp to do this? You can setup winamp to get > input from a line, or mic, input, but, I don't know if it will run it's > visualization based on this input... I'm at the office, otherwise I would > test it... > > Let me know what you find out... :) > > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Tim Goodwin" > >To: > >Subject: OT: visual effects for PC audio > >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:36:15 -0700 > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Is there a real time visual effects software program that generates > >interesting patterns from selectable audio inputs? > > > >I was thinking of something like a better quality winamp plugin that can > >do > >the same thing with audio from my mixing board... > > > >Basically, I want to have visual effects on a screen at our rehersals. > :) > > > >Thanks, > > > >Tim > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 00:04:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29095; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:03:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:03:55 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: OT: visual effects for PC audio -- WinAmp Works To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008a01c227c7$18b426f0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3D2B2E460000065F@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9IHJZC.A.cGH.JI7K9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just tried it ... WinAmp has a plug-in called "NullSoft Line-In" ... you can download it from them if need be. Select that plug-in (Options, Preferences, Plug-Ins, Input), then select File, Location, then type in "linein://" (without quotes) I just plugged something into my soundcard line-in and it seems to control the visualizations ... cool! Make sure you hit "Play" in WinAmp .... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Roberts" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: RE: OT: visual effects for PC audio > Tim, > > I wonder if you can use winamp to do this? You can setup winamp to get > input from a line, or mic, input, but, I don't know if it will run it's > visualization based on this input... I'm at the office, otherwise I would > test it... > > Let me know what you find out... :) > > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Tim Goodwin" > >To: > >Subject: OT: visual effects for PC audio > >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:36:15 -0700 > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Is there a real time visual effects software program that generates > >interesting patterns from selectable audio inputs? > > > >I was thinking of something like a better quality winamp plugin that can > >do > >the same thing with audio from my mixing board... > > > >Basically, I want to have visual effects on a screen at our rehersals. > :) > > > >Thanks, > > > >Tim > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 00:38:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30886; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:37:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:37:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020710043706.13471.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: prerecorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207100056.UAA15198@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've always been amazed at GARBAGE's live show for the reasons we've been discussing. to my ear there is no DAT, and any prerecorded loops seem to be triggered by butch vig. i could be wrong. but regardless of that, the amount of WORK that they do on stage is astounding. both guitar players are constantly jumping back and forth between guitar and keyboard. on one song the bald guy is alternating guitar and keyboard every 2 bars! and their performance is always tight. point being if you have a chance to see them, do so. it's a great show. cheers, phil > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:46:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ernesto Schnack > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: prerecorded loops > > True. It might work up to a certain point, but > there's still something missing. I remember > seeing Mr. Bungle on tour for California, and > they had this ridiculous setup to recreate the > songs on the album, like 6 keyboards on stage, > and they were jumping back and forth through > instruments...one guy would change the patch on > another guy's keyboard while he was busy playing > guitar, and so on...it added a certain level of > excitement that wouldn't have been there if they > just played to a DAT. Not to mention that they > HAD to give their 100% in order for it to work. > It just takes some creativity and a willingness > to take risks. > > Ernesto ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 00:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31634; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:55:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:55:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020710045452.12272.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9B8@ENTCOEXCH13> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James, Does the MFC10 allow you to set the foot switches to act as momentary switches? This would be necessary to control the EDP, whether using notes or cc. I'm assuming it does since it's capable of sending midi notes. Maybe there's an extra programming step to tell the MFC10 switches to behave as momentary? Sorry, that's all I can think of. John --- "Lanpheer, James A" wrote: > > So, i believed that if i sent out a MIDI note on > message of 36 from my > footpedal to the EDP, the Parameter button should be > triggered, is that > right? And by extension, Record takes a MIDI note > of 38, Overdub 39 and so > on.... So, i set up my footcontroller to send these > MIDI notes, but no > change from the EDP. I don't know if i'm missing > something 'obvious' or > not. So far, the MIDI footpedal is a total waste of > $$. If anyone has any > light that they can shed, i'd appreciate it and i'd > also REALLY like to hear > from someone who is currently using this particular > pedal. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 02:21:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06283; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:19:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:19:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c227a7$2a5c9f10$05f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020710045452.12272.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:17:21 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use a rocktron, but i had to set the switches to "hold" as opposed to "momentary" or "latching" does your pedal send information per preset or globally? perhaps you should try sending control change messages instead of note on/off? this is all i can think of for the time being. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 05:46:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17855; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:44:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <71FED563EED4D311AE0C00A0C9916A8E0841B6F4@ksopsitexng.primediabusiness.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is a great interview, btw... richie is definitely pushing the looping scene, in his own way. really great stuff. :::::: Q: You're taking loop mixing to a new level on DE9. A: I'm using technology to reevaluate my ideas and trying to approach them in a different way. Hopefully it will let me do something a bit more intricate, which usually is what technology allows you to do. In some ways the album is much like a DJ performance. All I'm doing is layering one track over another, but instead of layering them in a linear fashion from the start of one to the beginning of the next, I've been able to cut each track up into smaller components and build new ideas by overlaying, intermixing, and intersplicing loops. Remixing is taking someone else's track and reinventing it. I tried to reinvent the whole album by using different pieces of other people's tracks. :::: > -----Original Message----- > From: Zola, Joanne [mailto:JZola@primediabusiness.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:45 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers > > > check out www.remixmag.com - December 2001 issue interview with Mr. Hawtin > for techniques/gear used making DE9"Closer to the Edit" > > full studio/gear list included. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul@nioterra.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:27 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers > > > > ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their > looping tools to > make dance music? > > and while i'm talking about dance music, i seriously consider richie > hawtin's latest album release 'DE9: Closer To The Edit' to be a wonderful > example of how looping can be used creatively. he takes a whole stack of > techno records, edits them down to small loops and recombines them into a > mix that moves so quickly from song to song, you hardly get a chance to > notice where loops start and stop. definitely minimal, definitely > listenable, definitely cool. check it out. > > richie was (don't know about now) a heavy repeater user. > > paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 05:46:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17856; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:45:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:45:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:44:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020709200642.14136.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, interesting enough responses. seems a bunch of us are doing dancier music. seems like drumnbass and hiphop are having a slight bit of a genre lead... although not everyone specified what genre they're doing. so, for the folks out of that group who DON'T use live instrumental accompaniments... what makes your music interesting? how do you keep it varied? perhaps the folks who shy away from pre-programmed drum beats can find some interesting ideas about how to use looped drums behind their work in a live context... ? i know for me, that's pretty much the focus of my set. if i was also trying to play an instrument i'd be overwhelmed. i mix many tracks of drums at a time and am constantly varying what's in the mix, along with balancing them against melodic and harmonic components... it's quite a full time job on stage. but at least it makes it not 'canned' in any way. lots of improv stuff going on. oh, and my genres are breakbeat and techno... some experimental every now and again. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: philip raath [mailto:philraath@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers > > > i think i am now, since i just bought a repeater... > > had a bunch of drum loops programmed from a studio > that i used to work at, but hadn't been able to use > them much as i can't sync my boomerang to my > sampler... > > but now i'm been loading them onto the 'peater and > it's a whole different world of stuff that i'm coming > up with, > > drum'n'bass beats lead to groovier basslines, which > i'm playing on the guitar and pitchshifting > > i've long been into middle eastern music/dastgah > scales, now i have some programmed "tabla" loops > loaded up and it's giving it a different, possibly > danceable, feel... > > problem w/ the boomerang (which i love, don't > misunderstand) was that in creating percussive loops > on the guitar, after 5 or 6 layers the percussive was > completely decayed, that's no longer an issue > > so while i have been doing lots of rythmic, groovy > stuff w/ the boomerang, the possibilities are now just > exponentiated by the repeater, and i'm moving more in > that direction for now > > excellent thread...good idea paul and dt > > cheers, > > phil > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 05:46:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17868; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:45:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:45:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:44:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-6SDKB.A.pWE.XIAL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I really dig what someone said about the key being that there > needs to be a > performance of some sort on stage. This is a very open and > accepting way of > looking at it - if there's pre-produced material being played back, there > better be something else for me to enjoy or else I'd just invite all my > friends over to come listen to my stereo. Do you avoid dance performances > if they use pre-recorded music? i agree about there needing to be a performance on stage... BUT... how can you explain the international DJ phenomena? this goes against everything you just said. no real performance, all pre-recorded music. it still makes people get off their heads... and here's a preemptive shhh for anyone who says it's about drugs. you don't understand what a good dj set is if you think it has to do with being altered. as a timely example... i just saw richie hawtin a couple days ago. as far as i could tell he was just using Final Scratch (basically just spinning records) and it was absolutely incredible. his tools were (i'm guessing a bit): eq, filters, loops and knowledge of the tracks. it can do wonderful things. i will say, though, that 90% of DJs are nowhere near this level of control. really quality DJs are an extremely hard to find bunch. this next level of 'live'ness added to DJing will really improve what is mostly a very static world, in my opinion of course. but there's something very powerful about really nice sounding music on a really nicely tuned sound system. it's like you could never achieve that level of dynamics and sonic control in an instrumental set... it's a strange strange thing. don't know how to explain it. > I also don't apriciate any attempt to hide the fact that there's > pre-recorded material being played - a good performer would flaunt it and > use its strengths to some advantage. agreed. > Personally I have no interest in anything pre-recorded, pre-sequenced, or > not created on stage in my own performances - and I think this > stems from my > inability to dance correctly - although an attempt could be quite > entertaining for sure... everything seems to stem from whether or not people are comfortable dancing. it's like there's this great divide in the music world... people who understand the appeal dancing and people who don't. i know all about it cause for years i just didn't ever want to dance. then suddenly one day i'm at burning man, and everything changes. ;) paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 05:48:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18560; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:47:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c227c4$3076f1d0$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9B8@ENTCOEXCH13> Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:45:08 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7D4Z0C.A.ufE.eKAL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if i were you, i'd try setting the edp to "ctr" for controller and send control change messages instead of note on/off. this might work better (or work period, in your situation). just a thought... on your mfc10, try setting it to use program change/function mode together, where 6-10 will be fixed to send what yamaha refers to as functions or control changes, in this case. that's all i can gather from just glancing over the specs of the yamaha. i wouldn't worry...once you get your pedal figured out, you'll be pleased i'm sure. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 05:56:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18975; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:55:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: eventide orville Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:53:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 09:55:02.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC2CE3D0:01C227F7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent thank you, and yes im interested in getting as many pices as i can ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:47 AM Subject: Re: eventide orville > let me do a little research...i recall getting my 7K > for a bit less than ktj's price. i paid 2800 while > ktj advertised their's for an even 3 large. i'll get > back to you with the contact information for the shop > i bought from if you're interested. > > i'm not even sure they carry the orville and if they > do, it will still be over 4 grand. it's up to you. i > have the information if you'd like it. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 05:57:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18945; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:55:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:55:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:54:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D2B2E460000051F@mta08.san.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > extremely danceable beats, synth lines, etc, happen... :) I have > considered > working on creating sets that are completely dance oriented, and looking > for gigs doing what you are talking about, but, I've not gone there yet... i'm doing those kinds of gigs now. i keep a beat going throughout the whole set and mix from song to song. pretty challenging right now... but i'm hoping it gets easier as i go along and as i get more practice. still, it has the potential to make a much more varied and interesting set. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:17 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers > > > Paul, > > In that case, I play some of both 1 and 2.. hehe... I mean, my focus in > 'dynamics', so, in general, my set might not work for the > catagory you were > asking about, in that I may very well go from a techno-ish beat into some > totally spaced out ambient feel... But, in the breadth of what I am doing, > extremely danceable beats, synth lines, etc, happen... :) I have > considered > working on creating sets that are completely dance oriented, and looking > for gigs doing what you are talking about, but, I've not gone there yet... > > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Paul Weissman" > >To: > >Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers > >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:04:43 -0700 > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > >well, there's two ways of looking at it, as far as i can tell... the > >structured vs unstructed. > > > >dance music is either: > > > >- anything anyone can dance to, even a little > > > >OR > > > >- a large industry made up of highly specific genres, mostly using rigid > >or > >programmed beats. > >house, trance, techno, jungle, breakbeat - with all the myriad > of subgenres > >therein > >AND > >hip-hop, dancehall > > > > > >of course this is most likely an endlessly debatable topic... which isn't > >really the point, but is definitely worth defining briefly in order to > have > >the discussion in the first place. > > > >i was personally mostly interested in those people working in the SECOND > >category. people who feel comfortable performing in between dj sets, or > >at > >an event where people are expecting to dance to your set (club, > rave, house > >party, festival, etc.) > > > >but hell, it's all interesting! > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:36 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: RE: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers > >> > >> > >> if I may be so bold, what is 'dance' music? anything with a beat? > >> or something > >> more specific... :) > >> > >> -cpr > >> > >> >-- Original Message -- > >> >From: "Paul Weissman" > >> >To: > >> >Subject: loops for dance music & album rec for ALL loopers > >> >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:27:06 -0700 > >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >ok, i'm gonna bite... how many people on the list use their looping > tools > >> >to > >> >make dance music? > >> > > >> >and while i'm talking about dance music, i seriously consider richie > >> >hawtin's latest album release 'DE9: Closer To The Edit' to be > a wonderful > >> >example of how looping can be used creatively. he takes a whole stack > >> of > >> >techno records, edits them down to small loops and recombines > them into > >> a > >> >mix that moves so quickly from song to song, you hardly get a chance > to > >> >notice where loops start and stop. definitely minimal, definitely > >> >listenable, definitely cool. check it out. > >> > > >> >richie was (don't know about now) a heavy repeater user. > >> > > >> >paul > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 06:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21290; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:24:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 4520D425-5A30-451F-8662-E5DDF307F3B1 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9BC@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:22:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1132D4A8554584-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John- I'm not sure that i've fully got my arms around what makes a switch a "momentary" one or not. It seems like you need to be able to send a NoteOn and a NoteOff in a single button press? I'm not fully sure on that one, but i'm hoping to hear more on this list. I'll try searching the archives tomorrow. cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. James, Does the MFC10 allow you to set the foot switches to act as momentary switches? This would be necessary to control the EDP, whether using notes or cc. I'm assuming it does since it's capable of sending midi notes. Maybe there's an extra programming step to tell the MFC10 switches to behave as momentary? Sorry, that's all I can think of. John --- "Lanpheer, James A" wrote: > > So, i believed that if i sent out a MIDI note on > message of 36 from my > footpedal to the EDP, the Parameter button should be > triggered, is that > right? And by extension, Record takes a MIDI note > of 38, Overdub 39 and so > on.... So, i set up my footcontroller to send these > MIDI notes, but no > change from the EDP. I don't know if i'm missing > something 'obvious' or > not. So far, the MIDI footpedal is a total waste of > $$. If anyone has any > light that they can shed, i'd appreciate it and i'd > also REALLY like to hear > from someone who is currently using this particular > pedal. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 06:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21736; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:28:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:28:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a401c227c9$e4583150$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: will 9v ac interfere with audio signal? Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:25:57 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i need to bundle all my audio cables together so that i can get rid of the mess under my feet. my pedalboard requires 9v with an adapter. will running an extension cable (carrying the converted 120v) alongside my audio cables create an interference? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 06:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21847; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9BE@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:28:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1132D31B605154-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <17PVr.A.EVF.TyAL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jimmy- I think that might be a good idea to try 'ctr' instead of 'not'. However, does that mean that i program to send cc number 36 to simulate the Parameter button press, cc number 38 for Record and so on? thanx for the help, i'm sure it'll work out, i'm just missing something pretty basic and i've spent a few maddening hours. Looking forward to BLISSFUL hours! cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. if i were you, i'd try setting the edp to "ctr" for controller and send control change messages instead of note on/off. this might work better (or work period, in your situation). just a thought... on your mfc10, try setting it to use program change/function mode together, where 6-10 will be fixed to send what yamaha refers to as functions or control changes, in this case. that's all i can gather from just glancing over the specs of the yamaha. i wouldn't worry...once you get your pedal figured out, you'll be pleased i'm sure. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 08:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30922; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:29:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:29:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:29:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Prerecorded Loops From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207100946.FAA18076@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suppose I could say the reason I got into looping in the first place wasn't because of an interest in looping per se, but because I fell in love with playing wind synthesizer and was looking for a context to play it in. Noone seemed interested in hiring me as a wind synthesizist in a band, and my own band somehow didn't seem the right context for what I wanted to do. The first thing I did was record a CD on Digital Performer (Alaya) using lots of live and programmed percussion stuff and MIDI keyboards -- it came out well, but I realized that since this was something I was doing for my own artistic satisfaction, I didn't want to be working at the computer -- it was too left-brain oriented, there wasn't enough organic musical flow to the creative process. Bottom line, it wasn't enjoyable enough for me. That was when I discovered Matthias's writings about looping, and got my first EDP. The looping process satisfied my desire to create a context for my wind synthesist stuff (and vocals) that was fun and organic for me to do in the moment. So -- prerecorded loops. I gave some concerts based on the Alaya CD where I actually played and sang along with tracks. I burned a CD without the wind synthesizer and lead vocals, added a live percussionist -- and people loved it. The only people who objected to the tracks were musicians who knew what was going on. The general public had no problem with it, and was especially responsive to my percussionist, who played lots of toys and was very dynamic and visual. The person who had problems with it was me. I felt kind of dead up there -- it was depressing to think that there were to be no structural surprises in performance, that everything was predetermined. So I moved on to live looping. The most exciting concerts I have given are the ones where it's all spontaneously created. I do use some prerecorded rhythm loops from my MIDI keyboard, but after looping something I immediately start to overlay it with vocal percussion and other samples, perhaps chop it up or reverse it, to create something new. So no prerecorded loop ever sounds the same after about 10 seconds. But the majority of rhythmic loops I create are not prerecorded. Sometimes I do songs as part of my concerts, and I did an experiment for my last show -- I brought back the prerecorded tracks for the songs only. Frankly, I was a little tired of the pressure of the high-wire act of looping -- I mean the pressure to be constantly spontaneous and creative with an audience watching -- and thought it would be a relief to have some prerecorded stuff to rely on that I wouldn't have to think about. Well, I hated it. The contrast was so clear -- the live stuff was vital, the stuff with tracks felt dead. This time, most of the audience agreed. So I guess my current aesthetic is to go live with no prerecorded tracks and only use prerecorded loops that can be altered immediately to something unique to that performance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 08:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32003; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:46:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:46:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: eventide orville Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:46:51 -0500 Message-ID: <012b01c2280f$dcfe9ed0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00a401c2279a$921e47a0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_8c0TC.A.tzH.ZyCL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Eclipse is excellent. At first I was wondering if it would be capable of replacing my MPX1 reverbs but as it has turned out, I like the Eclipse reverbs even better. They don't sound as muffled as the ones in the MPX1. Then of course, all the other things the Eclipse can do that the MPX1 couldn't even touch ... M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Anthony Justman [mailto:pantonio@pacbell.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:47 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > How do you like the Eclipse? > > I'm thinking about that or the TC Fireworx > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Steven Ginn" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:56 PM > Subject: RE: eventide orville > > > > You know who you might check with is Alto Music. They have > treated me > > very well and I have yet to beat their prices, even from my local > > Guitar Center who I have been doing business with for the past 3 > > years. I recently bought my Eventide Eclipse there and I > couldn't be > > happier. > > > > M. Steven Ginn > > > > ******************************** > > Please go to > > > > Listen to the music. > > Purchase the CD > > Support the NY Firefighters > > 9/11 Relief Fund > > ******************************** > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:47 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > > > > > > let me do a little research...i recall getting my 7K > > > for a bit less than ktj's price. i paid 2800 while > > > ktj advertised their's for an even 3 large. i'll get > > > back to you with the contact information for the shop > > > i bought from if you're interested. > > > > > > i'm not even sure they carry the orville and if they > > > do, it will still be over 4 grand. it's up to you. i > > > have the information if you'd like it. > > > > > > -jim > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 11:35:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13767; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:32:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:32:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:41:23 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: eventide orville To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008401c22828$40be2040$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <012b01c2280f$dcfe9ed0$420e88cf@stevespc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bougth an MPX1 when it first came out and used mostly slightly tweaked presets initially. Once I rolled up my sleeves and programmed a few of my own and then linked a midi controller to "patches" I was really impressed. Its like a vortex on steriods and then some and it sounds great! (I loved my vortex, but couldn't tolerate the rolloff above 12kHz). But I'm still coveting another high quality FX box. I'm a little surprised that the MPX1 reverbs don't hold up as well, but the Eclipse is rough 3.5 times as much $$$ for what the MPX1 is going for these days. I own no Eventide stuff. How steep is the learning curve to program it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:46 AM Subject: RE: eventide orville > The Eclipse is excellent. At first I was wondering if it would be > capable of replacing my MPX1 reverbs but as it has turned out, I like > the Eclipse reverbs even better. They don't sound as muffled as the > ones in the MPX1. Then of course, all the other things the Eclipse can > do that the MPX1 couldn't even touch ... > > M. Steven Ginn > > ******************************** > Please go to > > Listen to the music. > Purchase the CD > Support the NY Firefighters > 9/11 Relief Fund > ******************************** > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anthony Justman [mailto:pantonio@pacbell.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:47 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > > > How do you like the Eclipse? > > > > I'm thinking about that or the TC Fireworx > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M. Steven Ginn" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:56 PM > > Subject: RE: eventide orville > > > > > > > You know who you might check with is Alto Music. They have > > treated me > > > very well and I have yet to beat their prices, even from my local > > > Guitar Center who I have been doing business with for the past 3 > > > years. I recently bought my Eventide Eclipse there and I > > couldn't be > > > happier. > > > > > > M. Steven Ginn > > > > > > ******************************** > > > Please go to > > > > > > Listen to the music. > > > Purchase the CD > > > Support the NY Firefighters > > > 9/11 Relief Fund > > > ******************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] > > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:47 PM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > > > > > > > > > let me do a little research...i recall getting my 7K > > > > for a bit less than ktj's price. i paid 2800 while > > > > ktj advertised their's for an even 3 large. i'll get > > > > back to you with the contact information for the shop > > > > i bought from if you're interested. > > > > > > > > i'm not even sure they carry the orville and if they > > > > do, it will still be over 4 grand. it's up to you. i > > > > have the information if you'd like it. > > > > > > > > -jim > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 11:38:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14130; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:36:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:36:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2C5281.C00D0E24@bagend.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:28:01 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: will 9v ac interfere with audio signal? References: <01a401c227c9$e4583150$04f8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably no, if it is a good power supply, especially if the audio is run thru twisted pair balanced lines. I assume that you're unbalanced at instrument level ( a guitar ) . This is the worst case scenario. Don't expect to get 9v at the load end of a long skinny wire. In other words, use heavy guage wire to run low voltage any distance. Probably #14 twisted pair would be OK for 30 feet or more. Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > i need to bundle all my audio cables together so that i can get rid of the > mess under my feet. my pedalboard requires 9v with an adapter. will > running an extension cable (carrying the converted 120v) alongside my audio > cables create an interference? > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 12:04:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17452; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:59:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:58:33 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_eventide_orville?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.7.98 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA16796 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Anthony the ECLIPSE is a very poweful unit...5 times the processing power of an H3000. It's the only 1 space rack unit on the market performing at 24bit/up to 96KHz sampling rate. It has 40 seconds delay memory, preamps, polyfuzzes, up to 8 voices delays/pitch shifters/comb taps/ring modulators/chorus/flangers. Reverbs are AWESOME !!! It also offer different reverbs like PLEXVERBS, using complex feedback routings between delay lines and detuners...to get a very particular grainy texture, quite popular among "experimenters" (Tibbetts/Brook/Fripp/Aarset/Gunn/Kaiser)! "Normal" reverbs are simply outstanding: I have just got back from Oslo where I spent a few days with Jan Garbarek. We have designed reverb algorithms (and more...) , trying to achieve the best possible sound Jan wants. Well...after many years of touring and recording with a 480 and G-Force, Pcm70, Pcm80...jan will start his world tour in the coming fal with his brand new ORVILLE...leaving all those boxes home. He was simply floored by our reverb algorithms. Eclipse verbs are better than a dsp4000 in quality, so no mistery it sounds better than an MPX1. You will also find dozens of other algorithms (reverse delays/reverse shifters/etc) for any kind of processing & mangling. Gtr distortions are very unique. Eventide has a Support Area/Forum on the web : EVENTIDE HELPS. Join it at:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ there you'll find lots of info/users interaction/MP3s/patches to download/tutorial documents and more also you can get Eclipse manuals here: http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm Learnig curve for Eclipse is not an issue. best regards Italo De Angelis > I bougth an MPX1 when it first came out and used mostly slightly tweak ed > presets initially. Once I rolled up my sleeves and programmed a few o f my > own and then linked a midi controller to "patches" I was really impres sed. > Its like a vortex on steriods and then some and it sounds great! (I l oved > my vortex, but couldn't tolerate the rolloff above 12kHz). > > But I'm still coveting another high quality FX box. > > I'm a little surprised that the MPX1 reverbs don't hold up as well, bu t the > Eclipse is rough 3.5 times as much $$$ for what the MPX1 is going for these > days. > > I own no Eventide stuff. How steep is the learning curve to program i t? > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 12:41:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20284; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:39:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020710093802.0210ad18@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:40:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. In-Reply-To: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9BC@ENTCOEXCH13> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:22 AM 7/10/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: >I'm not sure that i've fully got my arms around what makes a switch a >"momentary" one or not. It seems like you need to be able to send a NoteOn >and a NoteOff in a single button press? I'm not fully sure on that one, but >i'm hoping to hear more on this list. I'll try searching the archives >tomorrow. "momentary" means it sends a command when you press it and a command when you release it. For example, you press it down and it sends a note-on, release it and it sends a note-off. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 12:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20834; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8.28fe46ca.2a5dbda6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:41:10 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Prerecorded Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just one note for clarification. I have NEVER played to a pre-composed "backing track" (karaoke-style). That WOULD be deadly dull and boring. I can't imagine why anybody (performer or audience) would find THAT particularly interesting at all except for just a few narrowly defined sorts of settings ("tape" concerts of electro-acoustic music being one and more "dance/theatrical-oriented" performances for another). I've been using keyboard samplers and small table top "phrase samplers" to trigger prerecorded loops that interact with each other in odd ways. The timing, volume, loop selection/juxtaposition and FX treatments that help make the total sonic output a little less "static" sounding are all still done very much LIVE. This whole approach gives me a dependable and predictable "starting place" for performances (when I want or need one) but it also allows me to have a certain amount of very real-time improvisational, compositional flexibility too. Mistakes CAN still be made . . . "clams" still happen . . . and so can many "happy accidents." Part of the thrill of improvisation (for me) are those instances of being "pleasantly surprised" at what is happening . . . when you find yourself in unfamiliar territory and are still liking what you're hearing/playing on some "gut" emotional level. I don't know how I could achieve that in a totally preprogrammed setting . . . though I am sure that some other folks possibly do. So, I guess, THAT is where I draw the line for myself. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 12:55:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21961; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:55:27 -0400 Subject: Re:Prerecorded Loops & DJs From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207101538.LAA14275@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > how can you explain the international DJ phenomena? this goes against > everything you just said. no real performance, all pre-recorded music. it > still makes people get off their heads Isn't the distinguishing factor here that people are participating by dancing, not sitting down looking at musicians on a stage presenting a show? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 12:56:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22053; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:54:25 -0500 From: Skip Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20020710093802.0210ad18@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <57aaLB.A.8XF.fbGL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i posted a question about this a few days back- i'm looking for a MIDI pedal that can be used as momentary switches. is the MFC10 the only one in it's price range that does it? i can't justify spending more on the pedal than i did on my Repeater :) -12 > At 03:22 AM 7/10/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: >> I'm not sure that i've fully got my arms around what makes a switch a >> "momentary" one or not. It seems like you need to be able to send a NoteOn >> and a NoteOff in a single button press? I'm not fully sure on that one, but >> i'm hoping to hear more on this list. I'll try searching the archives >> tomorrow. > > "momentary" means it sends a command when you press it and a command when > you release it. For example, you press it down and it sends a note-on, > release it and it sends a note-off. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 13:01:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23960; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:00:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:00:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 10 Jul 2002 08:56:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1026305827.2303.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <1eUyL.A.J2F.UgGL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not sure if it costs less but I'm using an fbc1010 On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 12:54, Skip wrote: > i posted a question about this a few days back- i'm looking for a MIDI pedal > that can be used as momentary switches. > > is the MFC10 the only one in it's price range that does it? > > > i can't justify spending more on the pedal than i did on my Repeater :) > > -12 > > > > > > At 03:22 AM 7/10/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: > >> I'm not sure that i've fully got my arms around what makes a switch a > >> "momentary" one or not. It seems like you need to be able to send a NoteOn > >> and a NoteOff in a single button press? I'm not fully sure on that one, but > >> i'm hoping to hear more on this list. I'll try searching the archives > >> tomorrow. > > > > "momentary" means it sends a command when you press it and a command when > > you release it. For example, you press it down and it sends a note-on, > > release it and it sends a note-off. > > > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 13:03:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24299; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:01:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:01:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:04:08 -0400 Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0C8951F9-9427-11D6-BB66-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i know this is a familiar refrain, but... the lake butler midigator can do all that. if you can find one. they probably are getting a bit tough to find. but i see them here and there. keep an eye on ebay. monk On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 12:54 PM, Skip wrote: > i posted a question about this a few days back- i'm looking for a MIDI > pedal > that can be used as momentary switches. > > is the MFC10 the only one in it's price range that does it? > > > i can't justify spending more on the pedal than i did on my Repeater :) > > -12 > > > > >> At 03:22 AM 7/10/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: >>> I'm not sure that i've fully got my arms around what makes a switch a >>> "momentary" one or not. It seems like you need to be able to send a >>> NoteOn >>> and a NoteOff in a single button press? I'm not fully sure on that >>> one, but >>> i'm hoping to hear more on this list. I'll try searching the archives >>> tomorrow. >> >> "momentary" means it sends a command when you press it and a command >> when >> you release it. For example, you press it down and it sends a note-on, >> release it and it sends a note-off. >> >> kim > > monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 13:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25613; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:17:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:17:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: Prerecorded Loops & DJs Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:17:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Isn't the distinguishing factor here that people are participating by dancing, not sitting down looking at musicians on a stage presenting a show?" What about the trainspotters? They get off on watching the DJ work, and just feeling the groove. Also, what about DJ's like Alex Paterson of the Orb? His sets are great to just watch(the way he feels the music) and listen to. -Nathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 13:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25956; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:20:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:20:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020710171939.39937.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Looper census To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D2B30C4.BED0DB08@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > OK, so I went for the "new kid on the block" but I'm not sorry. I've > done, and will do, a lot of great loop based music with the Repeater, > as > have others. However, I've also come to the conclusion that it's > probably not the best suited looper for my primary needs. I think > that's > the consensus on this list. (only one person responded to my query > that the Repeater would be their "desert island looper") Well, I didn't respond to the original question, since I've been behind on my msgs, but I guess it'd be mine. I did a lot of research before I bought it and the features I specifically wanted (stereo processing, 4 tracks/loop and the ability to persistantly save loops) still stand as things only the Repeater can do in the looping world today. I still value those things despite the fact that I've learned about features other units have that I might like. For me the biggest thing is the persistant loops (and the fact that you can swap the media). I don't know how many times I've gone back to loops I'd recorded before to work with them more, or just to enjoy them again. This feature alone is very close to making the Repeater a worthwhile purchase even if it didn't do anything else. I've been doing audio recording for several years, so the concept of persistant storage and multiple tracks fit nicely with the way my mind has been trained to work. Adding looping to a recorder makes something very appealing to me. My working methodology fits very much with this paradigm. I record all the effects into the Repeater. I've tried putting things in the efx loop and after, but ended up changing that after awhile, since I like having the effect recorded. My current signal chain is: guitar -> stomps -> Roland GP-16 -> Vortex -> Repeater -> stereo amp. I've been experimenting with adding a simple dedicated reverb after the Repeater, and I'm liking that too. But so far, I've wanted to loop mangled signals more then mangle looped signals, if you get my drift. > However, I think if I > had purchased the EDP instead, I probably would have picked up the > Repeater eventually, even knowing it's bugs and limits. My wish list > for the Repeater was actually pretty small. Likewise. I've read about the bugs/limitations, but so far none have affected my ability to use the Repeater effectively. > All I really wanted was the > ability to predefine the length of my loops, the way you can with the > EDP and the JamMan. I just found it clumsy to have to think about > having to end a loop while I'm playing. Yeah, having looped with a (borrowed) DL4 before I got Repeater, I got used to just letting it end the loop when it ran out of delay time. This was my first disappointment with the Repeater, until I figured out I could just prerecord a blank loop any length I wanted. I don't find that too inconvenient. My biggest complaint with the Repeater is that it's sensitive to the signal level and can't be switched between instrument and line level. This makes it inconvenient to use with my guitar amp. > The pluses? Great effects loop. Great pitch shifting. Great tempo > shifting. Stereo. Quad. 8 min loops. Persistant, removable, storage. > Here's what not to do as a company: > Discontinue all of your products except for one. Especially when that one product hits a narrow nitch market... > Tell the public release dates that have nothing to do with reality. > Make up lies about why the product is late that are obviously pure > bullshit. Unfortunately, this appears to be Standard Operating Procedure for much of the technology marketplace. There's a lot more vaporware sold then solid software. Many more promises then features etc. > Ignore customers that offer (for free) to hold seminars on your > product. But hey, you're not BITTER or anything... Like you, I still like the Repeater. I'm a bit worried about parts availability (rotory encoders, etc), ongoing availability of compatible flash cards, and that sort of thing. Other then that concern, even after being quite a bit more educated about what it takes to make a good looper, I'd probably still buy one. Doesn't hurt that my financial circumstances at the time allowed for it in a way that would not have worked for an EDP. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 13:30:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26869; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:29:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:29:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:28:12 -0500 From: Skip Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. In-reply-to: <1026305827.2303.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so am i, but it won't do the momentary thing...nor the toggle function (where it alternates between sending two commands). thankfully the Repeater's OS handles the toggling, but for my Pod i had to set up one pedal to turn on reverb and one pedal to turn off reverb...kind of a waste of space. but it WAS cheap ($100). > not sure if it costs less but I'm using an fbc1010 > > On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 12:54, Skip wrote: >> i posted a question about this a few days back- i'm looking for a MIDI pedal >> that can be used as momentary switches. >> >> is the MFC10 the only one in it's price range that does it? >> >> >> i can't justify spending more on the pedal than i did on my Repeater :) >> >> -12 >> >> >> >> >>> At 03:22 AM 7/10/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: >>>> I'm not sure that i've fully got my arms around what makes a switch a >>>> "momentary" one or not. It seems like you need to be able to send a NoteOn >>>> and a NoteOff in a single button press? I'm not fully sure on that one, >>>> but >>>> i'm hoping to hear more on this list. I'll try searching the archives >>>> tomorrow. >>> >>> "momentary" means it sends a command when you press it and a command when >>> you release it. For example, you press it down and it sends a note-on, >>> release it and it sends a note-off. >>> >>> kim >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 13:39:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27540; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:38:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020710173733.44283.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:37:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Echoplex Demystification To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D2A12A1.38D36DB2@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <619hyB.A.ttG.iDHL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > Welcome back Mr. Grob! > > Matthias Grob wrote: > > > > Do you EDP users agree with Gregs point? : > > > > >3) it appeared that there was a > > >substantial learning curve associated with being able to use an > EDP > > >effectively. > > > > if that is true I completely failed. > > It seems very easy to press-play-press and then overdub with the > > second button and fade with FB. Other functions are usefull but not > > needed to make great music. And even those are easy to grab. > > I agree completely with what Matthias says here. The EDP is very > straightforward out of the box, and the default parameters and > architecture are structured in such a way that you can choose to > delve > more deeply into the unit if and when you so choose. But you > absolutely > don't need to understand every single function and parameter in order > to use it just as you would expect to use a DL4, a Jamman, etc. I based my acessment primarily on discussion of the unit on this list. Perhaps that's not really fair, since we're primarily dealing with very experienced users here, who are dealving into the depths of the unit, with no need to discuss the obvious and easy to use features. That said, I've seen enough discussion of features the EDP has to make me want one rather badly. Learning curve or not, I can see it being something I'd use often, perhaps in conjunction with the Repeater I said I liked in the last msg I sent. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 13:42:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27991; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:41:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:41:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020710174044.7463.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003601c2277b$dece06e0$eba85e0c@u73x0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- James Pokorny wrote: > So the DL4 can be considered as a "gateway" device, leading the > curious but unsuspecting musician to "harder" loopers? ;-) It's certainly an introduction to looping, and is getting more musicians familiar with the concept and practice of it. I don't know how many actually go on to more powerful loopers, although I did. My experience looping with a friend's DL4 is what convinced me that looping was my long-lost friend and that I absolutely had to have a device to do this. I chose one with more capability then the DL4. My friend, however, is still doing all his looping with the DL4 and seems very happy with it. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 13:58:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28771; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020710175245.17854.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:52:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020709145234.031d5e70@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:39 AM 7/9/2002, Greg House wrote: > >The looper in the DL4 also presents a feature checkmark (in > marketing > >terms) that other competing products probably feel they need to also > >include. > > just correcting the history a bit here: Line6 copied the Boomerang > feature set almost exactly for their looper in the DL-4. I wasn't saying that they did any pioneering design work. What they did was put a feature into a device that did other things that an "average musician" might buy it for, only to discover the "jewel" later on. The fact that the DL4 became popular with the looping feature available means that anyone who wants to make a product that competes directly with it will probably need to include a looping feature too. This expands the availability of looping devices on the market (although, it only really makes basic functionality available). > so in reality, it is Boomerang that should get the credit for the > basic feature check list for a footpedal looper. Sure. The difference is that the Boomerang is a dedicated looper, that's all it does. People won't buy it for a delay (or if they do, they'll probably be disappointed). I was interested in looping years ago, looked at the Boomerang 'cause it was a cool concept, but I never got one because I just couldn't justify spending that much money on something to experiment with. If a DL4 had been available at that time, which offered several other useful modes (at a lower price), I would have bought one instantly...and used the looping mode. In retrospect, I'm sorry I didn't grab a Boomerang back when. Would have been great, but how was I to know? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 14:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30509; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:01:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <10f.13a9d26c.2a5dd025@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:00:05 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.13a9d26c.2a5dd025_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10f.13a9d26c.2a5dd025_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/02 1:53:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > The difference is that the Boomerang is a dedicated looper, > that's all it does. People won't buy it for a delay it goes from less than a second of delay to over 4 mins. with everything in between and with several levels of feedback it fits my definition of a delay.....but i do agree, it is a "dedicated" looper first and formost.....michael --part1_10f.13a9d26c.2a5dd025_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/02 1:53:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:


The difference is that the Boomerang is a dedicated looper,
that's all it does. People won't buy it for a delay


it goes from less than a second of delay to over 4 mins. with everything in between and with several levels of feedback it fits my definition of a delay.....but i do agree, it is a "dedicated" looper first and formost.....michael --part1_10f.13a9d26c.2a5dd025_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 14:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30855; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:06:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:06:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:21:18 -0400 From: Bill Cummings Subject: Re: Re:Prerecorded Loops & DJs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001f01c22836$3422b4f0$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <3lOp6D.A.WhH.CeHL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com good point. unless your playing for a crowd of fellow musos, that's precisely what you would want them to be doing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: Re:Prerecorded Loops & DJs > > how can you explain the international DJ phenomena? this goes against > > everything you just said. no real performance, all pre-recorded music. it > > still makes people get off their heads > > Isn't the distinguishing factor here that people are participating by > dancing, not sitting down looking at musicians on a stage presenting a show? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 14:16:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31593; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:15:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:15:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c2280b$19eb5680$0cf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9BE@ENTCOEXCH13> Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:12:44 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I think that might be a good idea to try 'ctr' instead of 'not'. However, does that mean that i program to send cc number 36 to simulate the Parameter button press, cc number 38 for Record and so on?" yes, it seems to be a fairly simple procedure. just make sure that 36 is your default source number. also, check to see that your control change messages are being sent to the edp. reverse wouldn't work for a while and then i discovered i was sending it to the wrong machine. what different "types" of buttons does your yamaha allow: momentary, hold, latching? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 14:20:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32078; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:19:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:21:50 -0700 To: From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: prerecorded loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a project that's essentially a duo with a DJ. He also plays drum kit and analog synths, in addition to turntables and a phrase sampler. I play keys(Rhodes and Nord Lead), bass, and program a lot of grooves and textures into an MC-303, ER-1 and Nord MicroModular, as well as live looping w/JamMan and Repeater. One of the ways that we keep the prerecorded material fresh is that neither of us will have heard the other's preprogrammed loops before the gig. The stuff we do is probably the closest to hip-hop as far as the grooves go, but there's a lot of improvisation. At our last gig, we added a trumpet player, sax player and guitarist. Several audience members noted after the show that we seemed to be genuinely surprised at times at the sounds we were making, and that this carried over the the audience's experience as well, they stuck around just to see where we might go next. It was pretty satisfying. These gigs are hard to pull off because of the amount of gear, and consequently set-up time, it takes to do them, and the difficulty of explaining to club owners just what to expect ("No, it's not a DJ set, no it's not a "live" band per se, yes it'll sound like the CD, but no, we won't play any of the material from the cd, blah blah blah"), especially in a part of Oregon not exactly known for being on the musical cutting edge (Ted K., I feel your pain :-). Still, it's one of the best contexts I've ever found to play in. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 14:23:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32616; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:22:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:22:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c2280c$227189e0$0cf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <01a401c227c9$e4583150$04f8c440@g0wn7> <3D2C5281.C00D0E24@bagend.com> Subject: Re: will 9v ac interfere with audio signal? Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:20:08 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep, unbalanced. i only need about 5 feet extra...nothing extensive. the audio cable is well insulated. what about midi cable? will 9v interfere with that also? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 14:31:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00361; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:25:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710112037.00b2cd50@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:23:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. In-Reply-To: <0C8951F9-9427-11D6-BB66-000393073870@fuse.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7PHb8D.A.zE.0vHL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com likewise, another familiar refrain is the out-of-production-but-makes-ebay-appearances Digitech PMC10 (at least once listed as a digitech pcm10). At 01:04 PM 2002/07/10 -0400, mr monk wrote: >i know this is a familiar refrain, but... the lake butler midigator can do all that. if you can find one. they probably are getting a bit tough to find. but i see them here and there. keep an eye on ebay. > > >monk > > > > > > > >On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 12:54 PM, Skip wrote: > >>i posted a question about this a few days back- i'm looking for a MIDI pedal >>that can be used as momentary switches. >> >>is the MFC10 the only one in it's price range that does it? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 14:37:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01041; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:35:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <01a401c227c9$e4583150$04f8c440@g0wn7> <3D2C5281.C00D0E24@bagend.com> <009a01c2280c$227189e0$0cf8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: will 9v ac interfere with audio signal? Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:33:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 18:34:38.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[7273E0D0:01C22840] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from what i have heard for the cleanest signal run midi and power cable at 90 degrees to audio not sure what difference it makes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: Re: will 9v ac interfere with audio signal? > yep, unbalanced. > > i only need about 5 feet extra...nothing extensive. the audio cable is well > insulated. > > what about midi cable? will 9v interfere with that also? > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 14:41:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01457; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:40:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:40:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: prerecorded loops Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:38:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 18:38:40.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[03157B80:01C22841] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > how can you explain the international DJ phenomena? this goes against > everything you just said. no real performance, all pre-recorded music. it > still makes people get off their heads... and here's a preemptive shhh for Yes. People think the dj is doing a lot more than they really are. I've also seen djs doing a tremendous amount of freaking ( ie - pretending along to a bump cut or a scratch on a record). I saw some of the invisible scratch pickles crew last weekend at the Elbow Room, with the scratches coming off repressed vinyl. If they need a 'lift' to get by, then who doesn't? Damn... > anyone who says it's about drugs. you don't understand what a good dj set > is if you think it has to do with being altered. > Dj'ing is sooooo easy. Beat matching isn't some kind of magic art, if you have any rhythm in you at all, and thinking of what record to play next doesn't involve anything more than a modicum of creativity. I'm talking from my own experience - playing records at clubs and parties. Sure, it's fun, and the crowd seem to like it more than my own crap :> but it's not music. It's music apreciation. Besides, being able to put together a set list isn't precluded from the >live< musician. However, the music they have ready to play is limited to what they have prepared. If anything a good set of musicians will be able to alter the songs to fit the mood of the crowd. I try to... though that doesn't say I do much of a good job :> > as a timely example... i just saw richie hawtin a couple days ago. as far > as i could tell he was just using Final Scratch (basically just spinning > records) and it was absolutely incredible. his tools were (i'm guessing a > bit): eq, filters, loops and knowledge of the tracks. it can do wonderful > things. Did you work out exactly how much he was doing and how much was just part of the mp3 he was playing? > but there's something very powerful about really nice sounding music on a > really nicely tuned sound system. it's like you could never achieve that > level of dynamics and sonic control in an instrumental set... it's a strange > strange thing. don't know how to explain it. It's called live mastering, and yes, you can acheive it. You just need the right gear to get that 'studio' sound. A good multiband compressor, limiter and bass and treble exciters will get you started. For the really well heeled, get an experienced sound engineer who knows how to mix aggressively, who knows your set, with a real mixing board and a proper set of outboard gear. > > > I also don't apriciate any attempt to hide the fact that there's > > pre-recorded material being played - a good performer would flaunt it and > > use its strengths to some advantage. > > agreed. Could you explain? What strengths do prerecorded material have? I'm not dissing - I'd just like to know how you use it to advantage. As well as a 16 track sequencer, I run a cd of pre-recorded sounds in my live set - one or two tracks for each song. The sounds in each track are usually a spoken word clip, looped and run through some slowly changing effects. Most of the time, I just fade it into the backgroun of the music I'm playing via volume pedal, though it also feeds into the echoplex and repeater, so I can grab a portion and improvise it's playback - fade back and forth using the wet/dry, reverse and stutter in the repeater, and now do all those crazy new functions in the repeater. > it's like there's this great divide in the music world... people who > understand the appeal dancing and people who don't. i know all about it > cause for years i just didn't ever want to dance. then suddenly one day i'm > at burning man, and everything changes. ;) > shh - it's about the drugs. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 14:45:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01896; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020710184344.99222.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: prerecorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207100946.FAA18074@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com > I've always been under the impression that the > live music event was supposed > to be a tool to prove that the musician in > question has the same amount of > talent and innovation on stage as (s)he does on > the recording. It's funny how just a few generations ago, recordings were just a way of recreating a live event, but now most people expect the live event to recreate the recording. Ever since i got into jazz and improv I started to find most rock concerts quite boring because of their lack of immediacy and spontaneity. Yet a good DJ's set can be much more exciting and immediate, prerecorded music and all. But bands playing to backing tracks seem to be in the middle where you don't get the best from either world. I think it has to do with the amount of risk involved, rathert than something being pre-recorded or not. A DJ could still mess up by missing a beat, or maybe choosing the wrong song to mix into. But the only risk moby is taking is that the DAT will blow up...and he probably has backups anyways. I've always wondered what guys like Aphex Twin and Amon Tobin do live...do they basically just bring their laptop and press play, or is there something more interactive going on? Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 15:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05007; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:48:46 -0400 From: Bill Cummings Subject: Re: prerecorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006101c22842$6c572c00$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <5yh1OB.A.cNB.wcIL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, I checked out alot of your mp3s. Great Stuff! Very diversified and interesting. And it grooves! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: prerecorded loops > > I have a project that's essentially a duo with a DJ. He also plays > drum kit and analog synths, in addition to turntables and a phrase > sampler. I play keys(Rhodes and Nord Lead), bass, and program a lot > of grooves and textures into an MC-303, ER-1 and Nord MicroModular, > as well as live looping w/JamMan and Repeater. One of the ways that > we keep the prerecorded material fresh is that neither of us will > have heard the other's preprogrammed loops before the gig. The stuff > we do is probably the closest to hip-hop as far as the grooves go, > but there's a lot of improvisation. At our last gig, we added a > trumpet player, sax player and guitarist. Several audience members > noted after the show that we seemed to be genuinely surprised at > times at the sounds we were making, and that this carried over the > the audience's experience as well, they stuck around just to see > where we might go next. It was pretty satisfying. These gigs are hard > to pull off because of the amount of gear, and consequently set-up > time, it takes to do them, and the difficulty of explaining to club > owners just what to expect ("No, it's not a DJ set, no it's not a > "live" band per se, yes it'll sound like the CD, but no, we won't > play any of the material from the cd, blah blah blah"), especially in > a part of Oregon not exactly known for being on the musical cutting > edge (Ted K., I feel your pain :-). Still, it's one of the best > contexts I've ever found to play in. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music > http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 15:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05329; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:19:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:19:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2C894F.CA819321@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:29:12 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prerecorded loops References: <20020710184344.99222.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ernesto Schnack wrote: > ... > > I've always wondered what guys like Aphex Twin > and Amon Tobin do live...do they basically just > bring their laptop and press play, or is there > something more interactive going on? > > Ernesto didn't catch aphex twin at this year's ATP festival (i opted for the live band night :o), but a good friend did & reported that while very enjoyable, it was essentially a "press play and depart the stage" scenario... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 15:23:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05541; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:18:20 +0800 Subject: COOKOUT last minute gig spam From: Darrell Havard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com July 10: Murphy's - Memphis, TN July 11: The Outland - Springfield, MO July 12: Chester's - Fayetteville, AR July 13: Soulshine Pizza Factory - Jackson, MS not much looping going on, but hope you can come thanks, d www.cookout.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 15:31:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06069; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:30:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:30:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:27:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <20020710184344.99222.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, fwiw, since aphex twin builds many of the electonics he uses in his sets and recordings, i think he's a bit removed from the moby paradigm (not sure if he even uses a laptop, although he's built/modded digital electronics). don't know amon tobin ... mike -----Original Message----- From: Ernesto Schnack [mailto:e_schnack@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prerecorded loops > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com > I've always been under the impression that the > live music event was supposed > to be a tool to prove that the musician in > question has the same amount of > talent and innovation on stage as (s)he does on > the recording. It's funny how just a few generations ago, recordings were just a way of recreating a live event, but now most people expect the live event to recreate the recording. Ever since i got into jazz and improv I started to find most rock concerts quite boring because of their lack of immediacy and spontaneity. Yet a good DJ's set can be much more exciting and immediate, prerecorded music and all. But bands playing to backing tracks seem to be in the middle where you don't get the best from either world. I think it has to do with the amount of risk involved, rathert than something being pre-recorded or not. A DJ could still mess up by missing a beat, or maybe choosing the wrong song to mix into. But the only risk moby is taking is that the DAT will blow up...and he probably has backups anyways. I've always wondered what guys like Aphex Twin and Amon Tobin do live...do they basically just bring their laptop and press play, or is there something more interactive going on? Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 15:40:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06900; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:38:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Looping with Brother Sean & Summer NAMM Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:43:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22852.7523B960" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000001c22789$97f00e90$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22852.7523B960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great voice; similar to the singer in Creed. It's great to hear the Echoplex live, since I've just spent the last 150 hours, locked in a room on my own, up to my neck in Echoplex parts. Lots of new stock will be built in the next couple of weeks and shipped to the US. Anyone thinking of going to Summer NAMM next week can chat to Clive & Paul, (from the UK), or Kevin Van Pamel, (Gibson US), about all things Echoplex. I 'll make sure Paul has a pocket full of replacement Footcontroller switches for those of you who have dicky ones. I'd like to be there, but there's simply too much to do. -----Original Message----- From: Brother Sean [mailto:info@brothersean.com] Sent: 09 July 2002 21:46 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping with Brother Sean I would interested in thoughts and comments concerning this live clip of my band Brother Sean. Just Hold Still http://www.brothersean.com/audio/JHS_ug_6_9_02.mp3 Brother Sean is just my brother (bass) and I (vocals, guitar & loops) and an MPC 2000xl playing the drum loop. There is some guitar looping (using an EDP) in the middle of the song but more extensive loops at the end. The vocal loop at the end as an Eventide Eclipse on it (Angelic Echos). The drum loop has been modified since this was recorded; I'm pretty new at programming drums. But working hard and learning! Enjoy, Kevin www.brothersean.com ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22852.7523B960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gr= eat voice; similar to the singer in = Creed.

It= ’s great to hear the Echoplex live, since I’ve just spent the last 150 = hours, locked in a room on my own, up to my neck in Echoplex = parts.

Lo= ts of new stock will be built in the next couple of weeks and shipped to the = US.

An= yone thinking of going to Summer NAMM next week can chat to Clive & Paul, = (from the UK), or Kevin Van Pamel, (Gibson US), about all things Echoplex. = I’ll make sure Paul has a pocket full of replacement Footcontroller switches for = those of you who have dicky ones. I’d like to be there, but there’s = simply too much to do.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brother Sean [mailto:info@brothersean.com]
Sent: 09 July 2002 = 21:46
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Looping with = Brother Sean

 

I would interested in thoughts and comments concerning this live clip of my band Brother = Sean.

 =

Just Hold Still=

http://www.br= othersean.com/audio/JHS_ug_6_9_02.mp3

 =

Brother Sean is just my brother = (bass) and I (vocals, guitar & loops) and an MPC 2000xl playing the drum = loop.

There is some guitar looping (using = an EDP) in the middle of the song but more extensive loops at the = end.

 =

The vocal loop at the end as an = Eventide Eclipse on it (Angelic Echos).=

 =

The drum loop has been modified = since this was recorded; I’m pretty new at programming drums. = But

working hard and = learning!

 =

Enjoy,=

Kevin

 =

www.brothersean.com

 =

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22852.7523B960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 15:40:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06927; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:39:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6ED71@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> From: Kevin Simonson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:38:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always thought this was a sort of musical "urban legend" (conflicting reports). Does he *really* build his own gear and write his own software? -K -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prerecorded loops well, fwiw, since aphex twin builds many of the electonics he uses in his sets and recordings, i think he's a bit removed from the moby paradigm (not sure if he even uses a laptop, although he's built/modded digital electronics). don't know amon tobin ... mike -----Original Message----- From: Ernesto Schnack [mailto:e_schnack@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prerecorded loops > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com > I've always been under the impression that the > live music event was supposed > to be a tool to prove that the musician in > question has the same amount of > talent and innovation on stage as (s)he does on > the recording. It's funny how just a few generations ago, recordings were just a way of recreating a live event, but now most people expect the live event to recreate the recording. Ever since i got into jazz and improv I started to find most rock concerts quite boring because of their lack of immediacy and spontaneity. Yet a good DJ's set can be much more exciting and immediate, prerecorded music and all. But bands playing to backing tracks seem to be in the middle where you don't get the best from either world. I think it has to do with the amount of risk involved, rathert than something being pre-recorded or not. A DJ could still mess up by missing a beat, or maybe choosing the wrong song to mix into. But the only risk moby is taking is that the DAT will blow up...and he probably has backups anyways. I've always wondered what guys like Aphex Twin and Amon Tobin do live...do they basically just bring their laptop and press play, or is there something more interactive going on? Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 15:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08065; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:47:11 -0700 To: From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0VfagB.A.F9B.-6IL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:27 PM -0400 7/10/2002, Michael LaMeyer wrote: >well, fwiw, since aphex twin builds many of the electonics he uses in his >sets and recordings, i think he's a bit removed from the moby paradigm (not >sure if he even uses a laptop, although he's built/modded digital >electronics). From what I understand, most of Aphex Twin's recent work has been in Max/MSP, so a live performance from a laptop is possible. I've heard he's not that interesting live. > >don't know amon tobin ... Saw him once, he basically DJ'd a lot of his stuff and the kind of stuff that he constructs his albums from, Brazilian records, 50's/60's jazz, etc. Was interesting, but didn't blow me away. I think I've read in an interview that he basically doesn't feel like what he does is possible to pull off live. His records are amazing, though. The new DJ Shadow CD has a "Deluxe" edition version that includes a 2nd live disc, a performance with DJ Shadow, Cut Chemist and another DJ. It's pretty interesting, lots of variety. I'm guessing that Shadow is playing an MPC live, while the others scratch. Unfortunately, it's only 12 minutes long, hardly enough to justify the cost of it over the standard edition. >mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ernesto Schnack [mailto:e_schnack@yahoo.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:44 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: prerecorded loops > > >> From: ArsOcarina@aol.com >> I've always been under the impression that the >> live music event was supposed >> to be a tool to prove that the musician in >> question has the same amount of >> talent and innovation on stage as (s)he does on >> the recording. > >It's funny how just a few generations ago, >recordings were just a way of recreating a live >event, but now most people expect the live event >to recreate the recording. Ever since i got into >jazz and improv I started to find most rock >concerts quite boring because of their lack of >immediacy and spontaneity. Yet a good DJ's set >can be much more exciting and immediate, >prerecorded music and all. But bands playing to >backing tracks seem to be in the middle where you >don't get the best from either world. > >I think it has to do with the amount of risk >involved, rathert than something being >pre-recorded or not. A DJ could still mess up by >missing a beat, or maybe choosing the wrong song >to mix into. But the only risk moby is taking is >that the DAT will blow up...and he probably has >backups anyways. > >I've always wondered what guys like Aphex Twin >and Amon Tobin do live...do they basically just >bring their laptop and press play, or is there >something more interactive going on? > >Ernesto > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free >http://sbc.yahoo.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 15:46:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08071; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:45:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:45:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006101c22842$6c572c00$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> References: <006101c22842$6c572c00$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:48:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: prerecorded loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <966PM.A.d9B._6IL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Dave, >I checked out alot of your mp3s. Great Stuff! Very diversified and >interesting. And it grooves! Thanks, I wish I'd recorded the gig the other night, it was quite interesting, and unlike anything else I've done. Lots of loops! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 15:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08500; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6ED71@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> References: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6ED71@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:52:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I always thought this was a sort of musical "urban legend" (conflicting >reports). Does he *really* build his own gear and write his own software? I've heard the same, it doesn't seem like there's all that much in his earlier work (the pre-MSP period) that couldn't be done with creative programming of commercial synths and samplers. I think there's a tendency among a lot of the British electronic guys (and a few of the Americans I've met) to overly mystify what they do, as if they're afraid that someone else buying the same box will steal their gig. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 16:07:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10843; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:06:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9C1@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:04:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11324C03824082-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heck, I'M not even sure the MFC10 "does it" yet... ;) I'm still searching for the answers, but will try 'ctr' tonight and see if that has any effect. cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Skip [mailto:s-12@swbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. i posted a question about this a few days back- i'm looking for a MIDI pedal that can be used as momentary switches. is the MFC10 the only one in it's price range that does it? i can't justify spending more on the pedal than i did on my Repeater :) -12 > At 03:22 AM 7/10/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: >> I'm not sure that i've fully got my arms around what makes a switch a >> "momentary" one or not. It seems like you need to be able to send a NoteOn >> and a NoteOff in a single button press? I'm not fully sure on that one, but >> i'm hoping to hear more on this list. I'll try searching the archives >> tomorrow. > > "momentary" means it sends a command when you press it and a command when > you release it. For example, you press it down and it sends a note-on, > release it and it sends a note-off. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 16:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11900; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2C980A.6664D04E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:24:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. References: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9C1@ENTCOEXCH13> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe the Behringer FCP1010 is momentary, and it also has both MIDI and Switch outputs. I'm not sure if the switch outputs would work with an EDP. I have not used them yet. Mark "Lanpheer, James A" wrote: > Heck, I'M not even sure the MFC10 "does it" yet... ;) I'm still searching > for the answers, but will try 'ctr' tonight and see if that has any effect. > > cheers, > jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [mailto:s-12@swbell.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:54 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. > > i posted a question about this a few days back- i'm looking for a MIDI pedal > that can be used as momentary switches. > > is the MFC10 the only one in it's price range that does it? > > i can't justify spending more on the pedal than i did on my Repeater :) > > -12 > > > > At 03:22 AM 7/10/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: > >> I'm not sure that i've fully got my arms around what makes a switch a > >> "momentary" one or not. It seems like you need to be able to send a > NoteOn > >> and a NoteOff in a single button press? I'm not fully sure on that one, > but > >> i'm hoping to hear more on this list. I'll try searching the archives > >> tomorrow. > > > > "momentary" means it sends a command when you press it and a command when > > you release it. For example, you press it down and it sends a note-on, > > release it and it sends a note-off. > > > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 16:36:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12528; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:35:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:35:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> Subject: Re: prerecorded loops Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:34:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 20:34:58.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[41CF4580:01C22851] Resent-Message-ID: <_uR1oC.A.9CD.RqJL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > well, fwiw, since aphex twin builds many of the electonics he uses in his > sets and recordings, i think he's a bit removed from the moby paradigm (not > sure if he even uses a laptop, although he's built/modded digital > electronics). > > don't know amon tobin ... > > mike > You should check him out - very powerful stuff. Old record sampling at it's very best - he puts the dj spooky/shadow guys to complete shame. His most recent album (more than a year old now?) isn't his best - but the rest are real desert island disks. Yes, I wonder what he does live - especially since so much of his material is sampled out to begin with. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 16:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13052; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Message-ID: <1026333457.3d2c9b11e082e@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6ED71@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> In-Reply-To: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6ED71@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting the other Bear From Hell: > Does he *really* build his own gear and write his own software? NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. he uses everything everyone else does, he's just VERY VERY GOOD. look at his studio ... everything's standard stuff, just repainted (and otherwise superficially adjusted). my favourite Dick James story is when he claimed he built a sampler as a "science project" in college, and he "reckoned it beat every other manufacturer's sampler into the ground". that was in Keyboard magazine. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 16:40:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13190; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:39:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c22851$840de3c0$6445230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm, i haven't listened to or followed any of his stuff in years, but i recall seen a fairly good interview piece with him where he was describing a few pieces of equipment that he was using that he at least claimed to have built. seemed to be fairly specialized and 'garage-y' stuff. one was an analog device that used sine wave oscillators and some dedicated modulation to produce a fairly narrow range of tones, another was a simple low bit-depth sampler. there were some pictures of these as i recall. a couple of tracks (can't remember what albums they came of off) that i think would be interesting to check out if you get the chance, "Didgeridoo" and "Bucephalus Bouncing Ball", that had some rather distinctive tones in them which sounded very analog to me (at least analog filtering and modulation), or phenomenally good aproximations. stood out in my ear as quite unique. but i could be mistaken ... *shrug* -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prerecorded loops >I always thought this was a sort of musical "urban legend" (conflicting >reports). Does he *really* build his own gear and write his own software? I've heard the same, it doesn't seem like there's all that much in his earlier work (the pre-MSP period) that couldn't be done with creative programming of commercial synths and samplers. I think there's a tendency among a lot of the British electronic guys (and a few of the Americans I've met) to overly mystify what they do, as if they're afraid that someone else buying the same box will steal their gig. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 16:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14595; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2C9E3F.FE34E642@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:51:12 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Prerecorded Loops & DJs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very good point. Steve Sandberg wrote: > > how can you explain the international DJ phenomena? this goes against > > everything you just said. no real performance, all pre-recorded music. it > > still makes people get off their heads > > Isn't the distinguishing factor here that people are participating by > dancing, not sitting down looking at musicians on a stage presenting a show? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 16:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14731; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:53:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:53:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:52:53 EDT Subject: Re: prerecorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <8upuMB.A.4lD.G7JL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ernesto, Uh oh. I didn't write this and I don't recall who's quote it really is. I appreciate your thoughts. But this particular bit of blurbage isn't mine. Best regards, Ted In a message dated 7/10/02 11:44:10 AM, e_schnack@yahoo.com writes: >> From: ArsOcarina@aol.com >> I've always been under the impression that the >> live music event was supposed >> to be a tool to prove that the musician in >> question has the same amount of >> talent and innovation on stage as (s)he does on >> the recording. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 16:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15099; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:56:22 EDT Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: > but it's not music. > It's music apreciation. > you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right? they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc. But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow. Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the same But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is dispersed. that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO. Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between ). But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:) But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin? I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not? But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked. "cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted. and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician. aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already been. I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times. I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking. in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those statements but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter. & I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid "musical" experience. My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all music(s).. It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you. This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) : " Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music". Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their performances and listening experience be "musical". They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO. and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo. But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all over the venue. i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ... guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :). "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic --part1_1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:


but it's not music.
It's music apreciation.


you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right?

they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc.

But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.

Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the same

But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is dispersed.

that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO.

Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between ).

But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so,  you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:)

But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just  as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?

I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not?

But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked.

"cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted.

and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician.

aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already been.

I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times.

I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking.

in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those statements

but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? 

That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious -  "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter.

& I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" &  valid "musical" experience.

My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all music(s)..

It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you.

This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )...  the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) :

" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music".

Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their performances and listening experience be "musical".

They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO.

and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.

But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa  on video screens. all over the venue.

i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...

guess i need to go & do it  but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :).

     "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
                                  JP/AKASH
             "The World's Most Erotic Band" 
                    http://www.akashmusic.com
                    http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


 --part1_1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 17:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16582; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:01:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:01:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c22822$50b5b540$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9C1@ENTCOEXCH13> <3D2C980A.6664D04E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:58:55 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i would think that the "switch" output on the behringer would act just like the efc, since the efc is, of course, not sending midi commands. as well, the edp will respond to both "hold" and "momentary" switches if you're going midi. i know i'm all over this topic, and while i've already got my board and my edp communicating just fine (even controlling output volume with continuous control messages) i'm still very much interested in the topic. so pardon my frequent suggestions as i'm just trying to learn what i can about all the controllers. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 17:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16730; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:02:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:02:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:00:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c22854$c697b470$6445230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <1026333457.3d2c9b11e082e@www.suitandtieguy.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9XLkVC.A.6DE.KDKL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com shit. LOL ;-P -----Original Message----- From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prerecorded loops Quoting the other Bear From Hell: > Does he *really* build his own gear and write his own software? NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. he uses everything everyone else does, he's just VERY VERY GOOD. look at his studio ... everything's standard stuff, just repainted (and otherwise superficially adjusted). my favourite Dick James story is when he claimed he built a sampler as a "science project" in college, and he "reckoned it beat every other manufacturer's sampler into the ground". that was in Keyboard magazine. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 17:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16989; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:04:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:04:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:02:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c22855$176e7000$6445230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C22833.905CD000" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C22833.905CD000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread! personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood how anyone could like ketcup ... mike -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: but it's not music. It's music apreciation. you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right? they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc. But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow. Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the same But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is dispersed. that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO. Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between ). But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:) But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin? I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not? But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked. "cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted. and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician. aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already been. I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times. I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking. in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those statements but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter. & I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid "musical" experience. My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all music(s).. It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you. This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) : " Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music". Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their performances and listening experience be "musical". They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO. and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo. But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all over the venue. i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ... guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :). "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C22833.905CD000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's really = muscians"=20 thread!
 
personally, i've always really liked mustard, = and never=20 understood how anyone could like ketcup ...
 
mike
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com=20 [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 = 4:56=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: Is=20 it "Live" or "Memorex"

In a message dated = 7/10/2002=20 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com=20 writes:


but it's not music.
It's music=20 apreciation.


you gotta be=20 kiddin here when u say that right?

they ( DJ's) may not be = traditional=20 musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & = especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context = that you=20 mention here - such as BPM matching, etc.

But DJ Spooky doesnt = just "play=20 with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just = "play with=20 music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.

Alll the afortementioned = DJ's=20 made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as = Yoyo Ma is=20 a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther = there is=20 a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a = certain type=20 of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional = musician=20 can do the same

But The experience of music is not just focused = or=20 dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based = upon=20 the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much = as it is=20 perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and = the=20 quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how = it is=20 dispersed.

that seems to be the way you can observe what is = happening=20 without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO.

Its = also=20 sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the = Buddha King=20 All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a = new dish=20 and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le = Bec Fin=20 - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's = best and=20 highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the = culinary arts=20 and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and = in=20 between ).

But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that = the food=20 at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could = make to=20 that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill = you=20 over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if = especially=20 so,  you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it = could give=20 you a stomach ache:)

But you cant say it isnt "food" they are = eating @=20 Buddha king just  as much as you can not say that the experince a = customer=20 has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food = themselves or=20 perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods = preparation=20 was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a=20 microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec=20 Fin?

I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see = as=20 going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal = and=20 conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why=20 not?

But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or=20 uncooked.

"cooking" is just passing food along to another state = as that=20 combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back = again as=20 nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted.

and the = musical chain=20 of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where = you or=20 how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a = musician.

aint=20 no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before = you=20 begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear = toward all=20 of that which has already been.

I also think how we perceive = music most=20 times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as = musicians most=20 times.

I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on = record=20 in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters = regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music-=20 sucking.

in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive = comments I=20 made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true = musicians...i=20 think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those=20 statements

but hopefully we dont start asking - what is = music? =20

That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious -  = "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its=20 self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you = could ever=20 claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that = matter.

& I=20 could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they = too=20 could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working = and=20 tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want = and or=20 need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" &  valid = "musical" experience.

My own personal experiences are valid = without=20 needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set = of=20 expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps = may have=20 been given or learned to apply against all music(s)..

It seems = like with=20 all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and = feeling=20 and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular = way, says=20 that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and = looking=20 for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or = message/story=20 the music may or may not have to reveal to you.

This dialog makes = me=20 think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary = Experimental-NoiseAvant=20 Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is=20 quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP (=20 http://mp3.com/cockesp = )...  the = quote goes=20 somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) :

" Music Sucks & = COCK=20 ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned = or=20 preoccupied with music".

Only now am I seein' what the wisdom = &=20 beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really = "play=20 music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those = who=20 demand their performances and listening experience be = "musical".

They (=20 COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than = what the=20 music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for=20 IMHO.

and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe = look for in=20 any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when = listening=20 in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.

But this "is it live or = memorex" talk=20 also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show = where I=20 just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very = ornate=20 and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote = control=20 flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play = where all=20 the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the = working=20 man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch = themselves and=20 me and...vice versa  on video screens. all over the venue.

i = think=20 the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something = quite=20 similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...

guess i need to = go &=20 do it  but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process = :).=20

     "Remember To Always Kill Your=20 Expectations"
         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 JP/AKASH
          &= nbsp; =20 "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20
           &nb= sp;       =20 http://www.akashmusic.com
       &n= bsp;           =20 http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C22833.905CD000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 17:08:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17572; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:07:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:07:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6ED78@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> From: Kevin Simonson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:07:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22855.BFDBCEE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22855.BFDBCEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, this brings up something I've been curious about for a while. Does ketchup have a direction? >>ducks<< -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread! personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood how anyone could like ketcup ... mike -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: but it's not music. It's music apreciation. you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right? they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc. But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow. Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the same But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is dispersed. that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO. Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between ). But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:) But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin? I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not? But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked. "cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted. and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician. aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already been. I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times. I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking. in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those statements but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter. & I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid "musical" experience. My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all music(s).. It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you. This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) : " Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music". Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their performances and listening experience be "musical". They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO. and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo. But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all over the venue. i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ... guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :). "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22855.BFDBCEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Actually, this brings up something I've been curious about for a while.  Does ketchup have a direction?
 
>>ducks<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:02 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread!
 
personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood how anyone could like ketcup ...
 
mike
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:


but it's not music.
It's music apreciation.


you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right?

they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc.

But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.

Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the same

But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is dispersed.

that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO.

Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between ).

But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so,  you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:)

But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just  as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?

I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not?

But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked.

"cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted.

and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician.

aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already been.

I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times.

I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking.

in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those statements

but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? 

That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious -  "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter.

& I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" &  valid "musical" experience.

My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all music(s)..

It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you.

This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )...  the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) :

" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music".

Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their performances and listening experience be "musical".

They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO.

and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.

But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa  on video screens. all over the venue.

i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...

guess i need to go & do it  but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :).

     "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
                                  JP/AKASH
             "The World's Most Erotic Band" 
                    http://www.akashmusic.com
                    http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


------_=_NextPart_001_01C22855.BFDBCEE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 17:13:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18511; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710140919.01f64d58@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:10:28 -0700 To: From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In-Reply-To: <001001c22855$176e7000$6445230a@melon> References: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmph.

mustard on hot dogs.

mustard AND ketchup on burgers.


At 05:02 PM 2002/07/10 -0400, Michael LaMeyer wrote:
aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread!
 
personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood how anyone could like ketcup ...
 
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 17:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18916; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <17a.b029c6f.2a5dfe26@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:16:22 EDT Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17a.b029c6f.2a5dfe26_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17a.b029c6f.2a5dfe26_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/2002 2:12:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sean_@mindspring.com writes: > hmmph. > > mustard on hot dogs. > > mustard AND ketchup on burgers. GRIN - Dont forget veggie burgers, sauerkraut, onions, picklz & Pabst. Blue Ribbon to wash it all down :) "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic --part1_17a.b029c6f.2a5dfe26_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/2002 2:12:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sean_@mindspring.com writes:


hmmph.

mustard on hot dogs.

mustard AND ketchup on burgers.


GRIN - Dont forget veggie burgers, sauerkraut, onions, picklz & Pabst. Blue Ribbon to wash it all down :)

"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
                                  JP/AKASH
             "The World's Most Erotic Band" 
                    http://www.akashmusic.com
                    http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
 --part1_17a.b029c6f.2a5dfe26_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 17:34:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20214; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> Subject: Music spam Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:32:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 21:32:20.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[455872A0:01C22859] Resent-Message-ID: <1ZfLaD.A.E6E.CgKL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok guys, I've finally got a website, with a couple of track from my current project uploaded, and thought you guys might be interested. http://www.groovetronica.com The website is exactly 1/2 an hour old, so it's pretty barren. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 17:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21518; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:48:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C22831.A2ECC650" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6ED78@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C22831.A2ECC650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one. Don't know why...but it tastes better too! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Simonson [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Actually, this brings up something I've been curious about for a while. Does ketchup have a direction? >>ducks<< -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread! personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood how anyone could like ketcup ... mike -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: but it's not music. It's music apreciation. you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right? they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc. But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow. Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the same But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is dispersed. that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO. Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between ). But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:) But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin? I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not? But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked. "cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted. and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician. aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already been. I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times. I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking. in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those statements but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter. & I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid "musical" experience. My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all music(s).. It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you. This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) : " Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music". Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their performances and listening experience be "musical". They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO. and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo. But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all over the venue. i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ... guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :). "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C22831.A2ECC650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My=20 tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one.  = Don't=20 know why...but it tastes better too!
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Simonson=20 [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002 4:07=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = RE: Is=20 it "Live" or "Memorex"

Actually, this brings up something I've been = curious=20 about for a while.  Does ketchup have a = direction?
 
>>ducks<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael LaMeyer=20 [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002 4:02=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is=20 it "Live" or "Memorex"

aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's = really=20 muscians" thread!
 
personally, i've always really liked = mustard, and=20 never understood how anyone could like ketcup ...
 
mike
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com = [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 = 4:56=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Is=20 it "Live" or "Memorex"

In a message dated = 7/10/2002=20 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com=20 writes:


but it's not music.
It's music=20 apreciation.


you gotta be kiddin here when u say that=20 right?

they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that = they are=20 perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just = that in=20 the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such = as BPM=20 matching, etc.

But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and = as=20 someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as = same=20 can be said of DJ Shadow.

Alll the afortementioned DJ's made = very clear=20 and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a = muscian and=20 still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a = backing=20 track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type = of=20 virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional = musician=20 can do the same

But The experience of music is not just focused = or=20 dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be = based upon=20 the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as = much as it=20 is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience = and the=20 quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or = how it is=20 dispersed.

that seems to be the way you can observe what is = happening=20 without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO.

Its = also=20 sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the = Buddha King=20 All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a = new=20 dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to = Philadelphia's Le=20 Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of = the=20 world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years=20 studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - = experiemntal-classical, and in between ).

But what you guys are = saying=20 is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( = though there=20 are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat = buffets=20 as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more = unhealthy dishes=20 they have there and if especially so,  you were to eat those = unhealthy=20 dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:) =

But you=20 cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just  as = much as=20 you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or=20 enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that = it came=20 from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it = was put=20 on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and = who's to say=20 they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?

I think folks are = expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who = are in=20 turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon = themselves the=20 status of chef...who cares & why not?

But from my mind food = is food=20 - be it cooked or uncooked.

"cooking" is just passing food = along to=20 another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all = along=20 the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only=20 converted.

and the musical chain of events is never one that is = fixed=20 or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look = at it=20 or place yourself as a musician.

aint no new notes as miles = once said=20 and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can = have an=20 original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has = already=20 been.

I also think how we perceive music most times says more = about=20 "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most = times.

I'm=20 also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some = places in=20 print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this = subject=20 have already said concerning canned music- sucking.

in recent = days I=20 have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's = & BPM=20 matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and = off the=20 mark and regret having made those statements

but hopefully we = dont=20 start asking - what is music? 

That "age old question" is = more or=20 less the most obvious -  "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the = time and=20 energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from = any=20 sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even = reject at=20 that matter.

& I could care less ( as most audiences feel = the same=20 way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually = playing or=20 fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called = "boundary" that=20 either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a = "significantly"=20 &  valid "musical" experience.

My own personal = experiences are=20 valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or = anyone=20 eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make = &=20 perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all=20 music(s)..

It seems like with all those expectations.of = validity where=20 one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that = something=20 is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again = really=20 only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - = regardless=20 as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not = have to=20 reveal to you.

This dialog makes me think of Something that = Weasel=20 Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock = troupe The=20 Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the = AEN band=20 COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp=20 )...  the quote goes = somethin like=20 this ( as i am paraphrasing ) :

" Music Sucks & COCK ESP = doesnt=20 suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or = preoccupied=20 with music".

Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty = is in=20 that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" = despite=20 their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand = their=20 performances and listening experience be "musical".

They ( COCK = ESP )=20 just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the = music=20 asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for=20 IMHO.

and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe = look for=20 in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or = when=20 listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.

But this "is it = live or=20 memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really = wanna=20 play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done = up to be=20 like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a = couch with a=20 remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are = on=20 random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by = gorgeous women=20 sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the = audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa  on video = screens. all=20 over the venue.

i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk = all may=20 have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again=20 ...

guess i need to go & do it  but i think it would = be fun=20 and 100% musical in the process :).

     = "Remember=20 To Always Kill Your=20 = Expectations"
         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 = JP/AKASH
          &= nbsp; =20 "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20 =
           &nb= sp;       =20 = http://www.akashmusic.com
       &n= bsp;           =20 http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C22831.A2ECC650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 18:02:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23801; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:00:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:00:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:59:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03f801c2285d$0da1eae0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com which condiment is best for looping? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 18:10:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24403; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:08:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:08:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c2285e$4515f920$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <03f801c2285d$0da1eae0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:08:05 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 22:59 PM Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" > which condiment is best for looping? I can't say in writing. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 18:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24054; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c2285d$953763e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:03:10 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C22865.F5DE7500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C22865.F5DE7500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I happen to like the other-coloured ketchup (or is it catsup?) that's = been out - Orange, Green, Striped. But I still can't have it on hot = dogs. No, it's not a sex hangup. :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nathan Bannow=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 22:48 PM Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" My tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one. = Don't know why...but it tastes better too! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Simonson [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Actually, this brings up something I've been curious about for a = while. Does ketchup have a direction? >>ducks<< -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread! personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood = how anyone could like ketcup ... mike -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: but it's not music. It's music apreciation. you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right? they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are = perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in = the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as = BPM matching, etc. But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also = mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of = DJ Shadow. Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music = IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could = be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track = present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of = virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional = musician can do the same But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon = what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the = process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as = it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the = audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within = where it goes or how it is dispersed. that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without = "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO. Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes = to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines = pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a = person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and = Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained = chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and = can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in = between ). But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at = Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make = to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely = kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there = and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large = portions it could give you a stomach ache:)=20 But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just = as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be = blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or = perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods = preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone = else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods = @ Lebec Fin? I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as = going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal = and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not? But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked. "cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that = combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back = again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted. and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched = in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or = place yourself as a musician. aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before = even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to = bring to bear toward all of that which has already been. I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" = than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times. I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in = some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters = regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- = sucking. in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I = made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i = think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those = statements but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? =20 That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious - = "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its = self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you = could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that = matter. & I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days = as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or = fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called = "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to = have a "significantly" & valid "musical" experience. My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check = them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and = inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or = learned to apply against all music(s).. It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one = would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that = something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you = would again really only be there listening for and looking for = affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or = message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you. This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the = legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying = Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as = saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( = http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am = paraphrasing ) : " Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" = and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music". Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment = as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their = aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their = performances and listening experience be "musical". They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything = other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you = can ever hope for IMHO. and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in = any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when = listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo. But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've = always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit = on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush = 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control = flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play = where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women = sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the = audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all = over the venue. i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done = something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ... guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% = musical in the process :).=20 "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20 http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C22865.F5DE7500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I happen to like the other-coloured ketchup = (or is it=20 catsup?) that's been out - Orange, Green, Striped.  But I still = can't have=20 it on hot dogs.  No, it's not a sex hangup. :)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nathan = Bannow=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 = 22:48=20 PM
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or=20 "Memorex"

My=20 tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state = one.  Don't=20 know why...but it tastes better too!
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Simonson=20 [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002=20 4:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

Actually, this brings up something I've = been curious=20 about for a while.  Does ketchup have a = direction?
 
>>ducks<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael LaMeyer=20 [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002 4:02=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's = really=20 muscians" thread!
 
personally, i've always really liked = mustard, and=20 never understood how anyone could like ketcup = ...
 
mike
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = AKASHMUSIC@aol.com=20 [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 = 4:56=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

In a=20 message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:


but it's not music.
It's music=20 apreciation.


you gotta be kiddin here when u say that=20 right?

they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that = they are=20 perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just = that in=20 the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such = as BPM=20 matching, etc.

But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" = and as=20 someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" = as same=20 can be said of DJ Shadow.

Alll the afortementioned DJ's made = very=20 clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma = is a=20 muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther = there=20 is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a = certain=20 type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other = traditional=20 musician can do the same

But The experience of music is not = just=20 focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt = have to=20 be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or=20 physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the=20 connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. = and also=20 there within where it goes or how it is dispersed.

that seems = to be=20 the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in = the way=20 of the music's story IMHO.

Its also sorta kinda like the = difference=20 between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - = Chinese=20 Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say = contrast=20 that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( = 12 star=20 dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and = highly=20 trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary = arts=20 and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, = and in=20 between ).

But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin = that the=20 food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you = could=20 make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will = surely=20 kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have = there and=20 if especially so,  you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in = large=20 portions it could give you a stomach ache:)

But you cant say = it isnt=20 "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just  as much as you can = not say=20 that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable = becasue they=20 didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and = all=20 that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a = plate for=20 them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they = arent=20 using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?

I think folks are = expressing=20 outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn = claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon = themselves the=20 status of chef...who cares & why not?

But from my mind = food is=20 food - be it cooked or uncooked.

"cooking" is just passing = food along=20 to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen = all=20 along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost = -only=20 converted.

and the musical chain of events is never one that = is fixed=20 or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to = look at it=20 or place yourself as a musician.

aint no new notes as miles = once said=20 and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can = have an=20 original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has = already=20 been.

I also think how we perceive music most times says more = about=20 "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most = times.

I'm=20 also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some = places=20 in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding = this=20 subject have already said concerning canned music- = sucking.

in recent=20 days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made = concerning DJ's=20 & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was = way wrong=20 and off the mark and regret having made those statements

but=20 hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? 

That = "age old=20 question" is more or less the most obvious -  "idiots-slippery = slope"=20 IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - = defining-=20 dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, = hate,=20 love, want or even reject at that matter.

& I could care = less (=20 as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could = care less )=20 if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking = knobs or=20 pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to = have=20 affirmed for me to have a "significantly" &  valid = "musical"=20 experience.

My own personal experiences are valid without = needing to=20 cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of = expectations=20 and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have = been given=20 or learned to apply against all music(s)..

It seems like with = all=20 those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and = feeling=20 and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular = way,=20 says that in any case you would again really only be there listening = for and=20 looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, = genre or=20 message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to = you.

This=20 dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the = legendary=20 Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying = Luttenbacher's (=20 http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers )=20 is quoted as saying = which makes=20 reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )...  the quote goes somethin like this ( = as i am=20 paraphrasing ) :

" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - = cuz they=20 dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with=20 music".

Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is = in that=20 sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" = despite=20 their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand = their=20 performances and listening experience be "musical".

They ( = COCK ESP )=20 just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what = the music=20 asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for=20 IMHO.

and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe = look=20 for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer = or when=20 listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.

But this "is it = live or=20 memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really = wanna=20 play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage = done up to=20 be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a = couch=20 with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while = they are=20 on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by = gorgeous=20 women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - = watchinmg the=20 audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa  on video = screens.=20 all over the venue.

i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or = kraftwerk=20 all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm = rambling=20 again ...

guess i need to go & do it  but i think it = would=20 be fun and 100% musical in the process :). =

    =20 "Remember To Always Kill Your=20 = Expectations"
         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 = JP/AKASH
          &= nbsp; =20 "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20 =
           &nb= sp;       =20 = http://www.akashmusic.com
       &n= bsp;           =20 http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


= ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C22865.F5DE7500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 18:19:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25568; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:16:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:16:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c2285f$af554380$d0554ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <20020710173733.44283.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex Demystification Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:18:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > if that is true I completely failed. I've got to say that the EDP is one of the most brilliantly designed bits of kit I've ever come across - from the footswitch to the deep editting stuff, it's so clearly laid out to be multi-level, with the deeper levels staying well out of the way of the obvious stuff until you want it to, it ROCKS... I reckon it will take me years to get fully inside loop III, let alone the new software - every time I touch it I'm coming up with new things. Maximum respect to Matthias and Kim for all their work on this box. cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 18:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25887; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:19:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:19:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c2285f$fcd33720$d0554ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <20020710174044.7463.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater's Demise Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:20:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- James Pokorny wrote: > > So the DL4 can be considered as a "gateway" device, leading the > > curious but unsuspecting musician to "harder" loopers? ;-) LOL - the interface on the DL4 is distinctly different from other loopers, especially the interaction between the loop and the delay functions over the top/half speed double speed pedal. All good stuff, enough to inspire me to do an entire album with it as my only effect (Conversations - duo CD with pianist Jez Carr, as reviewed on this list by Andre LaFosse and Ted Killian...) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 19:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30617; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:04:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:04:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:03:25 -0500 From: Skip Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. In-reply-to: <3D2C980A.6664D04E@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <2Vwxs.A.PdH.-0LL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no i can't find anything in the manual about changing the Behringer to momentary. i think they intended it to be a somewhat 'dumb' pedal. i know it can send multiple commands, but they seem to be for simply changing patches...not realtime control (well, except for the expression pedals). the Manual for the Yamaha (from the website) said that you can program momentary switches, but it definatly wasn't the clearest about it... who writes these things?!? somebody needs to go into business translating them into an understandable language. -12 > I believe the Behringer FCP1010 is momentary, and it also has both MIDI and > Switch outputs. I'm not sure if the switch outputs would work with an EDP. I > have not used them yet. > > Mark > > "Lanpheer, James A" wrote: > >> Heck, I'M not even sure the MFC10 "does it" yet... ;) I'm still searching >> for the answers, but will try 'ctr' tonight and see if that has any effect. >> >> cheers, >> jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Skip [mailto:s-12@swbell.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:54 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. >> >> i posted a question about this a few days back- i'm looking for a MIDI pedal >> that can be used as momentary switches. >> >> is the MFC10 the only one in it's price range that does it? >> >> i can't justify spending more on the pedal than i did on my Repeater :) >> >> -12 >> >> >>> At 03:22 AM 7/10/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: >>>> I'm not sure that i've fully got my arms around what makes a switch a >>>> "momentary" one or not. It seems like you need to be able to send a >> NoteOn >>>> and a NoteOff in a single button press? I'm not fully sure on that one, >> but >>>> i'm hoping to hear more on this list. I'll try searching the archives >>>> tomorrow. >>> >>> "momentary" means it sends a command when you press it and a command when >>> you release it. For example, you press it down and it sends a note-on, >>> release it and it sends a note-off. >>> >>> kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 19:12:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31271; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:11:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:11:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:10:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2282C.413F8870" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2282C.413F8870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the food does today... -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Bannow [mailto:Nathan@giza.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" My tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one. Don't know why...but it tastes better too! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Simonson [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Actually, this brings up something I've been curious about for a while. Does ketchup have a direction? >>ducks<< -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread! personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood how anyone could like ketcup ... mike -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: but it's not music. It's music apreciation. you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right? they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc. But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow. Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the same But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is dispersed. that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO. Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between ). But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:) But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin? I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not? But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked. "cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted. and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician. aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already been. I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times. I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking. in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those statements but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter. & I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid "musical" experience. My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all music(s).. It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you. This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) : " Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music". Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their performances and listening experience be "musical". They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO. and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo. But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all over the venue. i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ... guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :). "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2282C.413F8870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah,=20 food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the food does=20 today...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Bannow=20 [mailto:Nathan@giza.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:49 = PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is=20 it "Live" or "Memorex"

My=20 tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state = one.  Don't=20 know why...but it tastes better too!
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Simonson=20 [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002=20 4:07 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

Actually, this brings up something I've = been curious=20 about for a while.  Does ketchup have a = direction?
 
>>ducks<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael LaMeyer=20 [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002 4:02=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's = really=20 muscians" thread!
 
personally, i've always really liked = mustard, and=20 never understood how anyone could like ketcup = ...
 
mike
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = AKASHMUSIC@aol.com=20 [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 = 4:56=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

In a=20 message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:


but it's not music.
It's music=20 apreciation.


you=20 gotta be kiddin here when u say that right?

they ( DJ's) may = not be=20 traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing = with=20 music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense = in the=20 context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, = etc.

But DJ=20 Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also = mentionedThe=20 ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ=20 Shadow.

Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and = distinct=20 music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and = still=20 could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a = backing track=20 present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of = virtuosity=20 as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician = can do=20 the same

But The experience of music is not just focused or = dependent=20 upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon = the=20 process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much = as it is=20 perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience = and the=20 quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or = how it=20 is dispersed.

that seems to be the way you can observe what = is=20 happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story=20 IMHO.

Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the = person who=20 goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines=20 pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a = person=20 who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and = Tres=20 expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained = chef's=20 who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can = apprach=20 cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between=20 ).

But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the = food at=20 Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could = make to=20 that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely = kill you=20 over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and = if=20 especially so,  you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large = portions it could give you a stomach ache:)

But you cant say = it isnt=20 "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just  as much as you can = not say=20 that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable = becasue they=20 didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and = all=20 that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a = plate for=20 them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they = arent=20 using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?

I think folks are = expressing=20 outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn = claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon = themselves the=20 status of chef...who cares & why not?

But from my mind = food is=20 food - be it cooked or uncooked.

"cooking" is just passing = food along=20 to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen = all=20 along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost = -only=20 converted.

and the musical chain of events is never one that = is fixed=20 or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to = look at it=20 or place yourself as a musician.

aint no new notes as miles = once said=20 and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can = have an=20 original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has = already=20 been.

I also think how we perceive music most times says more = about=20 "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most = times.

I'm=20 also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some = places=20 in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding = this=20 subject have already said concerning canned music- = sucking.

in recent=20 days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made = concerning DJ's=20 & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was = way wrong=20 and off the mark and regret having made those statements

but=20 hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? 

That = "age old=20 question" is more or less the most obvious -  "idiots-slippery = slope"=20 IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - = defining-=20 dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, = hate,=20 love, want or even reject at that matter.

& I could care = less (=20 as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could = care less )=20 if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking = knobs or=20 pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to = have=20 affirmed for me to have a "significantly" &  valid = "musical"=20 experience.

My own personal experiences are valid without = needing to=20 cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of = expectations=20 and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have = been given=20 or learned to apply against all music(s)..

It seems like with = all=20 those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and = feeling=20 and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular = way,=20 says that in any case you would again really only be there listening = for and=20 looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, = genre or=20 message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to = you.

This=20 dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the = legendary=20 Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying = Luttenbacher's (=20 http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to = the AEN band=20 COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp=20 )...  = the quote=20 goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) :

" Music = Sucks=20 & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont = ever be=20 concerned or preoccupied with music".

Only now am I seein' = what the=20 wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK = ESP does=20 really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with = "music"=20 and those who demand their performances and listening experience be=20 "musical".

They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with = having to be=20 anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty = much all=20 you can ever hope for IMHO.

and i think thats all I happen to = ever=20 actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet = away from=20 the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car=20 stereo.

But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me = that=20 I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just = show up and=20 sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and = plush=20 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control = flicking=20 thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where = all the=20 while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the = working=20 man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch = themselves=20 and me and...vice versa  on video screens. all over the = venue.

i=20 think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done = something=20 quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...

guess i = need to=20 go & do it  but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in = the=20 process :).

     "Remember To Always = Kill Your=20 = Expectations"
         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 = JP/AKASH
          &= nbsp; =20 "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20 =
           &nb= sp;       =20 = http://www.akashmusic.com
       &n= bsp;           =20 http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


= ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2282C.413F8870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 19:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31715; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:14:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:14:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CDBF@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:12:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22867.489EE2B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22867.489EE2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the food does today... **well, for one thing, it was analog back then. now it's all digital . . . unless you can find some killer vintage food. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22867.489EE2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"


Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the food does today...
 
**well, for one thing, it was analog back then. now it's all digital . . . unless you can find some killer vintage food.
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22867.489EE2B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 19:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31864; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:16:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c22867$d862eea0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:16:38 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01C22870.393DE100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C22870.393DE100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you were around for the Seventies, you shouldn't remember the food! = :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Weissman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 00:10 AM Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the food does today... -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Bannow [mailto:Nathan@giza.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" My tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one. = Don't know why...but it tastes better too! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Simonson [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Actually, this brings up something I've been curious about for a = while. Does ketchup have a direction? >>ducks<< -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread! personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood = how anyone could like ketcup ... mike -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: but it's not music. It's music apreciation. you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right? they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are = perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in = the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as = BPM matching, etc. But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else = also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be = said of DJ Shadow. Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music = IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could = be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track = present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of = virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional = musician can do the same But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon = what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the = process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as = it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the = audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within = where it goes or how it is dispersed. that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without = "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO. Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who = goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines = pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a = person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and = Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained = chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and = can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in = between ). But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at = Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make = to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely = kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there = and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large = portions it could give you a stomach ache:)=20 But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just = as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be = blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or = perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods = preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone = else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods = @ Lebec Fin? I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as = going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal = and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not? But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked. "cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that = combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back = again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted. and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or = etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at = it or place yourself as a musician. aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before = even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to = bring to bear toward all of that which has already been. I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" = than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times. I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record = in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters = regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- = sucking. in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I = made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i = think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those = statements but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? =20 That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious - = "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its = self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you = could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that = matter. & I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these = days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or = fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called = "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to = have a "significantly" & valid "musical" experience. My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross = check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations = and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or = learned to apply against all music(s).. It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one = would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that = something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you = would again really only be there listening for and looking for = affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or = message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you. This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from = the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying = Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as = saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( = http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am = paraphrasing ) : " Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" = and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music". Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment = as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their = aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their = performances and listening experience be "musical". They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be = anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much = all you can ever hope for IMHO. and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for = in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when = listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo. But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've = always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit = on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush = 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control = flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play = where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women = sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the = audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all = over the venue. i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done = something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ... guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% = musical in the process :).=20 "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20 http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C22870.393DE100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you were around for the Seventies, you = shouldn't=20 remember the food! :)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul = Weissman=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 = 00:10=20 AM
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or=20 "Memorex"

Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better = than the=20 food does today...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Bannow=20 [mailto:Nathan@giza.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 = 2:49=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

My=20 tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state = one. =20 Don't know why...but it tastes better too!
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Simonson=20 [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us]
Sent: Wednesday, July = 10, 2002=20 4:07 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

Actually, this brings up something I've = been=20 curious about for a while.  Does ketchup have a=20 direction?
 
>>ducks<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael = LaMeyer=20 [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002=20 4:02 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is it = "Live" or=20 "Memorex"

aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's = really=20 muscians" thread!
 
personally, i've always really liked = mustard, and=20 never understood how anyone could like ketcup = ...
 
mike
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = AKASHMUSIC@aol.com=20 [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002 4:56=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

In=20 a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:


but it's not music.
It's music=20 apreciation.


you gotta be kiddin here when u say that=20 right?

they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as = that they=20 are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing = just=20 that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention = here -=20 such as BPM matching, etc.

But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play = with=20 Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just = "play with=20 music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.

Alll the = afortementioned=20 DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as = much as=20 Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical = regrdless as to=20 whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be = able to=20 obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as = much as=20 any other traditional musician can do the same

But The = experience=20 of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on = the=20 stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a = performer=20 takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the=20 intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of = that=20 connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is=20 dispersed.

that seems to be the way you can observe what is = happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story=20 IMHO.

Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the = person=20 who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who = combines=20 pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against = a person=20 who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and = Tres=20 expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly = trained chef's=20 who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can = apprach=20 cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between=20 ).

But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that = the food=20 at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you = could make=20 to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will = surely=20 kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have = there=20 and if especially so,  you were to eat those unhealthy dishes = in=20 large portions it could give you a stomach ache:)

But you = cant say=20 it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just  as much as = you can=20 not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or = enjoyable=20 becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it = came from=20 cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it = was put=20 on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and = who's to=20 say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?

I think = folks are=20 expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet = who are in=20 turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon = themselves=20 the status of chef...who cares & why not?

But from my = mind food=20 is food - be it cooked or uncooked.

"cooking" is just = passing food=20 along to another state as that combinations and and = re-combinations happen=20 all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever = lost=20 -only converted.

and the musical chain of events is never = one that=20 is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would = choose to=20 look at it or place yourself as a musician.

aint no new = notes as=20 miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin = it -=20 but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward = all of=20 that which has already been.

I also think how we perceive = music=20 most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or = play as=20 musicians most times.

I'm also gonna do some flip flopping = here as=20 that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta = things that=20 most of the posters regarding this subject have already said = concerning=20 canned music- sucking.

in recent days I have come to regret = those=20 dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc = as not=20 being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark = and regret=20 having made those statements

but hopefully we dont start = asking -=20 what is music? 

That "age old question" is more or = less the=20 most obvious -  "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time = and=20 energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts = from any=20 sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or = even=20 reject at that matter.

& I could care less ( as most = audiences=20 feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if = someone is=20 actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or = pushing some=20 so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have = affirmed for=20 me to have a "significantly" &  valid "musical"=20 experience.

My own personal experiences are valid without = needing=20 to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of=20 expectations and inferences I would & or could make & = perhaps may=20 have been given or learned to apply against all = music(s)..

It seems=20 like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end = up=20 looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a = certain=20 or particular way, says that in any case you would again really = only be=20 there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - = regardless as=20 to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not = have to=20 reveal to you.

This dialog makes me think of Something that = Weasel=20 Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock = troupe=20 The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to = the AEN=20 band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )...  the quote goes somethin like this ( = as i am=20 paraphrasing ) :

" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - = cuz=20 they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied = with=20 music".

Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty = is in=20 that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play = music"=20 despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those = who demand=20 their performances and listening experience be = "musical".

They (=20 COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other = than=20 what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can = ever hope=20 for IMHO.

and i think thats all I happen to ever actively = observe=20 look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the = performer=20 or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.

But = this "is=20 it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & = still do=20 really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well = adorned=20 stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living = room -=20 where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my = "john=20 price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm = on the=20 couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's = champagne=20 Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and = me=20 and...vice versa  on video screens. all over the = venue.

i=20 think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done = something=20 quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...

guess = i need=20 to go & do it  but i think it would be fun and 100% = musical in=20 the process :).

     "Remember To = Always Kill=20 Your=20 = Expectations"
         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 = JP/AKASH
          &= nbsp; =20 "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20 =
           &nb= sp;       =20 = http://www.akashmusic.com
       &n= bsp;           =20 http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


<= /FONT> ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C22870.393DE100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 19:35:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01057; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2CC47B.9933286C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:34:19 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music spam References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW. Really Nice Jon. REALLY. How come you're not playing the Santa Cruz loopfest? I'd share my slot with you any day. And I mean that in a plutonic way, so don't get fresh. Mark Sottilaro Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Ok guys, I've finally got a website, with a couple of track from my current > project uploaded, and thought you guys might be interested. > > http://www.groovetronica.com > > The website is exactly 1/2 an hour old, so it's pretty barren. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 19:38:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01329; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:37:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:37:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CDBF@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:36:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C22830.0299F2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 23:36:59.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF4515E0:01C2286A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C22830.0299F2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man, the chefs these days - they just buy servings from restaurants, = work out the order to eat them, and call it cookery. bIz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the food does today... **well, for one thing, it was analog back then. now it's all digital = . . . unless you can find some killer vintage food. stig=20 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended = only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader = of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent = responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any = dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly = prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, = disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur = while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you = have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by = return e-mail. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C22830.0299F2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Man, the chefs these days - they = just buy=20 servings from restaurants, work out the order to eat them, and = call it=20 cookery.
 
bIz
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 = 4:12=20 PM
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or=20 "Memorex"



Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better = than the=20 food does today...
 
**well, for one thing, it was analog back = then. now=20 it's all digital . . . unless you can find some killer vintage=20 food.
 
stig 


Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail = contains=20 information intended only for the use of the individual or entity = named above.=20 If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the = employee or=20 agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any=20 dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly = prohibited.=20 The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption = or=20 damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data = contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received = this=20 e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank=20 you.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C22830.0299F2A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 19:52:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02369; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:51:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:51:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> <3D2CC47B.9933286C@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Music spam Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:50:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 23:50:17.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B5A38C0:01C2286C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > WOW. Really Nice Jon. REALLY. How come you're not playing the Santa Cruz > loopfest? I'd share my slot with you any day. I'm hoping to finish the album and get it into distribution, so I haven't been doing the live thing much. I'm also trying to make my live sound more like my studio sound, working out how to make my pre-sequenced stuff more 'live', discovering Loop IV, discovering how little I knew about Loop III and going back to that, meeting with distributors, recovering from the death of Logic Audio, and trying to find band mates. > And I mean that in a plutonic > way, so don't get fresh. Hey you can be my wing man any time :> bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 20:00:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04176; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:59:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:59:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: TRLounge@aol.com Message-ID: <197.982f854.2a5e2437@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:58:47 EDT Subject: Re: Looper census - pre-recorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I DJ I usually use about 4-5 sound sources including one or more DJ Style CD Players w/a looping function, a cassette deck, a Dr Sample, and that cheapo Zoom Sampler, whatever its called. My EDP stays at home, though I've used it in the past. I mostly play downtempo Trip Hop/Bangra/and funky jazz. I'm forever searching in bargain bins for CD's featuring solo vocals and instrumentation for mixing. Also anything ambient, or any spoken word is mixed in too. I use a lot of loops, both rhythmic and melodic. Man, when I get three, four, or five different things all going at once (and sounding good) -- its like heaven. tr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 20:13:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05047; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:11:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:11:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c2286f$6db737c0$6501a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> Subject: Re: Music spam Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:10:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the tracks- thanks- what do you do the drums with? I see you work with the SomaFM crew- damn shame that situation- c PS- How long to Santa Cruz from L.A.-?(realistically) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: Music spam > > Ok guys, I've finally got a website, with a couple of track from my current > project uploaded, and thought you guys might be interested. > > http://www.groovetronica.com > > The website is exactly 1/2 an hour old, so it's pretty barren. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 20:37:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06131; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:36:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:36:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> <002201c2286f$6db737c0$6501a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Music spam Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:35:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 00:35:18.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5291F60:01C22872] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I like the tracks- thanks- what do you do the drums with? > The drums are drum loops from several libraries, cut into 16th notes and then sequenced in soft sampler. There's also a lot of dynamics processing going on - tuning the snare pump, expanding the drums to make them more sparse and the like or 'breathing' the reverb tails. > I see you work with the SomaFM crew- damn shame that situation- > I'm haven't actually worked with 'Rusty' aka SomaFM, but I have met him on occasion. Yes, too bad but I have a feeling the whole thing will get sorted out for the better of artists everywhere. The flyer I threw up there is a listing of the tranquility base shows, with me at the very bottom in small print :> Sottilaro's on that flyer too BTW. > c > > PS- How long to Santa Cruz from L.A.-?(realistically) > About an 8 hour drive. Of course, it depends drastically where you start from in L.A. Good luck, Jonathan El-Bizri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 20:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06885; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:50:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:50:01 -0700 Subject: Re:Prerecorded Loops & DJs From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207101820.OAA32166@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3109168202_16018383_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3109168202_16018383_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For me, if I'm in a concert-style setting--fixed rows of seats facing a black box stage, pre-recorded (or mostly pre-recorded) pieces tend to be a drag. If there's some visuals going along with it, sometimes maybe. If it's presented as more a listening party with comfortable seating, it's fine--like sitting in a big living room listening to a new record with a bunch of people. TH > how can you explain the international DJ phenomena? this goes against > everything you just said. no real performance, all pre-recorded music. it > still makes people get off their heads Isn't the distinguishing factor here that people are participating by dancing, not sitting down looking at musicians on a stage presenting a show? --MS_Mac_OE_3109168202_16018383_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:Prerecorded Loops & DJs
For me, if I'm in a concert-style setting--fixed rows of seats = facing a black box stage, pre-recorded (or mostly pre-recorded) pieces tend = to be a drag.  If there's some visuals going along with it, sometimes m= aybe.   If it's presented as more a listening party with comfortab= le seating, it's fine--like sitting in a big living room listening to a new = record with a bunch of people.

TH


> how can you explain the international DJ phenomena? &n= bsp;this goes against
> everything you just said.  no real performance, all pre-recorded = music.  it
> still makes people get off their heads

Isn't the distinguishing factor here that people are participating by
dancing, not sitting down looking at musicians on a s= tage presenting a show?
 --MS_Mac_OE_3109168202_16018383_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 20:51:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06897; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:50:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:50:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c22875$54a0bc60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: EDP Review Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:53:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't see this get posted. If it did, ignore me. http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=46&releaseid=10298&m agazinearticleid=151169&siteid=15 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 20:52:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07083; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:52:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:52:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c22842$89518990$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:49:33 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01C2284A.EA08EE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C2284A.EA08EE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok...gotta jump in on this one... i wouldn't say that dj spooky or whomever is on the same level as, say, = yoyo ma. not even close. and virtuosity doesn't make one any more or = less of a musician. creating something out of nothing makes you an = artist or a creator. regarding music, creating sound out of silence = makes you a musician, silence being the total absense of what one will = ultimately go on to create...as in: the song isn't written yet, so it = isn't music...or something like that. may i offer an analogy: john coltrane vs. dj spooky coltrane would be painting on a blank canvas with only the colors within = his technical range available. so he paints a picture. dj spooky comes = along and cuts the painting into tiny and not-so-tiny pieces (along with = multiple other paintings, as suits his fancy). he then reassembles them = to make a "new" creation. key word: reassembles. he's not taking = nothing and making something...rather, he's just taking what's already = there and rearranging it. if you take the frame of your '88 toyota and = put a honda hood, chevy doors, and a vw engine in/on it, you haven't = built a totally new car. you've just taken parts of pre-existing cars = and mushed them together so that perhaps it looks new, drives = differently, and gets better gas mileage but the parts still belonged to = cars that were already in existence. sorry, it's a touchy subject for me. i'd be pretty angry if i wrote a = song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have them say "look at = this new song that i wrote" as well, i'm a fan of dj spooky and john coltrane. but i can't agree = that they are capable of existing on the same musical plane. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C2284A.EA08EE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ok...gotta jump in on this one...
 
i wouldn't say that dj spooky or whomever is on the = same level=20 as, say, yoyo ma.  not even close.  and virtuosity doesn't = make one=20 any more or less of a musician.  creating something out of nothing = makes=20 you an artist or a creator.  regarding music, creating sound out of = silence=20 makes you a musician, silence being the total absense of what one will=20 ultimately go on to create...as in: the song isn't written yet, so it = isn't=20 music...or something like that.
 
may i offer an analogy: john coltrane vs. dj=20 spooky
 
coltrane would be painting on a blank canvas with = only the=20 colors within his technical range available.  so he paints a = picture. =20 dj spooky comes along and cuts the painting into tiny and not-so-tiny = pieces=20 (along with multiple other paintings, as suits his fancy).  he then = reassembles them to make a "new" creation.  key word:=20 reassembles.  he's not taking nothing and making = something...rather, he's=20 just taking what's already there and rearranging it.  if you take = the frame=20 of your '88 toyota and put a honda hood, chevy doors, and a vw engine = in/on it,=20 you haven't built a totally new car.  you've just taken parts of=20 pre-existing cars and mushed them together so that perhaps it looks new, = drives=20 differently, and gets better gas mileage but the parts still belonged to = cars=20 that were already in existence.
 
sorry, it's a touchy subject for me.  i'd be = pretty angry=20 if i wrote a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have them = say "look=20 at this new song that i wrote"
 
as well, i'm a fan of dj spooky and john = coltrane.  but i=20 can't agree that they are capable of existing on the same musical=20 plane.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C2284A.EA08EE60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 20:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06854; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2CD577.A3184E1D@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:46:48 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Los Angeles - Santa Cruz Express References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> <002201c2286f$6db737c0$6501a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O my peeps, > > PS- How long to Santa Cruz from L.A.-?(realistically) > > About an 8 hour drive. Of course, it depends drastically where you start > from in L.A. I'll bet you could do it in 6 1/2 or so, especially if you take the 5 instead of the 101/1. Mapquest says 6 1/2 to 7... I'm heading up Friday afternoon and returning Monday - otherwise I'd offer to carpool witcha, Cliff. I must say, as I've been going through my paces and figuring out what to play and discuss... this is gonna be an AWFUL lot of fun! I look forward to seeing (and hearing!) many of you folk up there. Ciao for now, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 20:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07430; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c22843$6703d720$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: New MIDI footpedal (MFC10) and EDP. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:55:45 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3zlwl.A.rzB.LgNL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com who writes these things?!? blind polar bears. the edp and eventide manuals are the clearest i've found so far. it seems that manufacturers don't invest a lot of time into really conveying the information in an easy-to-interpret manner...like they're trying to save paper and ink or something. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 21:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09219; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:08:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:08:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> Subject: Re: Music spam Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:09:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 01:07:47.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E9A8780:01C22877] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan- great job programming the drums! The whole thing sounds really good. Great job - keep it up! I hope we'll be playing again in the future, I don't know if I ever mentioned my plan quit my job, move up to the city, and focus on playing music this fall... Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: Music spam > > Ok guys, I've finally got a website, with a couple of track from my current > project uploaded, and thought you guys might be interested. > > http://www.groovetronica.com > > The website is exactly 1/2 an hour old, so it's pretty barren. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 21:23:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09982; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:22:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:22:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710181533.00b49ce0@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:20:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: The Los Angeles - Santa Cruz Express In-Reply-To: <3D2CD577.A3184E1D@earthlink.net> References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> <002201c2286f$6db737c0$6501a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8vwe-D.A.bbC.j2NL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you could do that drive in under 6 hours from downtown LA, via 101/1. Three hours to SLO, 2-1/2 more to SC. I'm going up on Saturday morning and returning Sunday night, if you want to do a partial carpool. This is going to be a good one.... -Hans At 17:46 10/07/2002, you wrote: >O my peeps, > > > > PS- How long to Santa Cruz from L.A.-?(realistically) > > > > About an 8 hour drive. Of course, it depends drastically where you start > > from in L.A. > >I'll bet you could do it in 6 1/2 or so, especially if you take the 5 >instead of the 101/1. Mapquest says 6 1/2 to 7... > >I'm heading up Friday afternoon and returning Monday - otherwise I'd >offer to carpool witcha, Cliff. > >I must say, as I've been going through my paces and figuring out what to >play and discuss... this is gonna be an AWFUL lot of fun! I look >forward to seeing (and hearing!) many of you folk up there. > >Ciao for now, > >--Andre LaFosse >The Echoplex Analysis Pages: >http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 21:27:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10236; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:26:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:26:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710182317.00b5a5e8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:24:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: EDP Review In-Reply-To: <00d701c22875$54a0bc60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4FkPlD.A.YfC.T6NL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I noticed a brief EDP review in the new _Mix_ today, also. They're saying that it has flange and chorus modes.... -Hans At 17:53 10/07/2002, you wrote: >I didn't see this get posted. If it did, ignore me. > >http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=46&releaseid=10298&m >agazinearticleid=151169&siteid=15 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 21:34:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10575; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:33:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:33:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c2287b$e1ae9a40$49a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> <3D2CC47B.9933286C@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Music spam Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:40:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainbow on Prozac...nice! (What IS "You're going to give me something to hang onto??") Thanks for sharing, David > > WOW. Really Nice Jon. REALLY. How come you're not playing the Santa > Cruz > > loopfest? I'd share my slot with you any day. :::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 21:36:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10727; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:35:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:35:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Playing along with stuff you didn't just do Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:34:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c2287b$391ebf40$7307f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3PjrPB.A.bnC.nDOL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'll jump in here--since it's on my mind recently. I used to use sequences and do a solo act--at one point it was my main gig--and lots of folks (including me) didn't mind so much. But it really depends on who you are trying to sell--case in point: Tomorrow AM we begin the trek from San Diego to the Bay area to perform at the Cayuga benefit--and I plan on just using acoustic guitar and the underexplored LoopIV EDP (that's Echoplex to you). I tried some stuff using the SR-16, and it was fine--but don't forget this is master percussionist Rick Walker's gig, and he HATES the sounds on the SR-16. It really comes down to how you feel about it--it starts with you and ends with the audience--if you are really persuasive, they believe you--if you don't believe in it, they can't . . . I wanted to use the Ztar 'cause it's so whizzy but I just got the new software and I'm not quite ready to use it in public. Lots of new features including a MIDI looper, and also you can feed it MIDI in to change kits, trigger sensors and more--still can't get it to send MIDI clock, but it will (so harveyS says) . . . See ya in Santa Cruz . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 21:44:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11150; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:43:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:43:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:42:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Message-ID: <61EC69F0.4FDE251A.09B5D419@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:49:33 +0100, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > as well, i'm a fan of dj spooky and john coltrane. but i > can't agree that they are capable of existing on the same > musical > plane. creating something out of nothing makes you an artist or a creator. > > -jim IMHO you choose not to see it that way. AS I do think Spooky creates something out of a nothing per se but more in the sense that he is articulating that which we have yet to perhaps observe & where its drawn out of a something which has always been there for anyone to observe. I think what Spooky is doing what Coltrane did or in the best example i can muster i think spoojy and his ilk both to greater and lessor degrees, are "amplifyin" and articulating a perspective which never didnt exist but is more or less shaped by their real;tionship with it, ya know? I dont really believe anymore that a musician ever starts with a blank page in as much as they articulate things which are already present and available to all of us. as that if things werent already available & existeing per se to all of us, there could be nothing really which is either classic or universal or perceivfed and shared as a common experience. & who is to say that essentially the same possibilities are not available to Spooky or anyone else regardless as to their instrument or genre, canvas or brush or turntable FX units? Again, it more IMHO about relationships & intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of those "connections", and the way in which they are engaged, nurtured and or moved along. And again, all that is IMHO ideally despite "you" or "me" and more or less in and of or by its own accord - according to what the music's story or the fucntion the music is serving, ya know? i think yet again, these sentiments are in turn folks maybe reflecting more of their own expectations and placing their own demands on a performance & performer & that aint got anthing todo with any music we could articulate, hear, like dislike know or avoid "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 22:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14035; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:09:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:12:37 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In-Reply-To: <007f01c22842$89518990$0af8c440@g0wn7> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > ok...gotta jump in on this one... > > i wouldn't say that dj spooky or whomever is on the same level as, say, yoyo ma. not even close. and virtuosity doesn't make one any more or less of a musician. creating something out of nothing makes you an artist or a creator. regarding music, creating sound out of silence makes you a musician, silence being the total absense of what one will ultimately go on to create...as in: the song isn't written yet, so it isn't music...or something like that. > > may i offer an analogy: john coltrane vs. dj spooky > > coltrane would be painting on a blank canvas with only the colors > within his technical range available. so he paints a picture. dj > spooky comes along and cuts the painting into tiny and not-so-tiny > pieces (along with multiple other paintings, as suits his fancy). he > then reassembles them to make a "new" creation. key word: reassembles. > he's not taking nothing and making something...rather, he's just taking > what's already there and rearranging it. if you take the frame of your > '88 toyota and put a honda hood, chevy doors, and a vw engine in/on it, > you haven't built a totally new car. you've just taken parts of > pre-existing cars and mushed them together so that perhaps it looks new, > drives differently, and gets better gas mileage but the parts still > belonged to cars that were already in existence. With the caveat that the last time I saw DJ Spooky perform live, he had a number of instruments with him (including an electric upright bass), and *played them live*. Yes, he sampled himself and then mangled them, worked them into samples, and spent much of the performance working with other peoples' sounds, but it's not quite accurate to say he only reassembles others' sounds. best, Steve -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 22:37:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15494; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:36:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:36:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2CEF0D.BC07EB95@mac.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:36:07 -0700 From: Matt McCabe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: no loop content: drummer with studio needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for a drummer with a studio (and good ears) to add drums to my songs. Anybody interested? Email me privately. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 23:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20775; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:36:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:36:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:35:43 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Review From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710182317.00b5a5e8@pop.charter.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They have a special pre-release version of Loop 6. Mark on 7/10/02 6:24 PM, armatronix at armatronix@charter.net wrote: > I noticed a brief EDP review in the new _Mix_ today, also. They're saying > that it has flange and chorus modes.... > > -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 23:38:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20869; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:37:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:37:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:40:17 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e301c2288c$ac790520$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> <007f01c22842$89518990$0af8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> may i offer an analogy: john coltrane vs. dj spooky >> i'd be pretty angry if i wrote a song and a dj cut it up >> and remixed it just to have them say "look at this new song that i wrote" hmmm ... that's exactly what coltrane did for many of his songs when he was getting established. many of *his* songs were patterned after the jazz standards of the day bassist steve swallow takes changes from jazz standards and makes them into his own songs ... he turned "softly as in a morning sunrise" into "let's eat" on the real book cd ... it certainley doesn't take away from his sonwriting or bass playing credentials ... i once read a joe zawinul quote that he stopped listening to all other music except his own playing for quite some time ... his premise was that you are always basically copping other people's ideas anyway and he didn't want to be influenced by that ... how much of what you play on your instrument is really ~yours~ and not some rehash of something else you heard? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 23:42:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21219; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:41:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c2288c$7075dc60$3a62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207110237.WAA15629@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drum machine Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:38:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <14OFcB.A.RLF.R5PL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehman writes: "I tried some stuff using the SR-16, and it was fine--but don't forget this is master percussionist Rick Walker's gig, and he HATES the sounds on the SR-16." Oh, Gary, please don't NOT use your SR-16 for fear of judgment from me. I'm probably as supportive a person as you will find in terms of accepting of people's artistic expression. While I have to admit that I can't believe that Alesis won't update there sounds on that still excellent selling unit (released in 1989!!!!), both my brother, Bill and the wonderful looping bassist Max Valentino have done really cool stuff with SR-16s just running them through effects. I must confess, I use that machine more than any other drum machine I own (and I own a lot) because of it's ease of programming and it's excellent midi implementation. My brother is doing a lot of gigs running it through a little half rack Electrix FILTER QUEEN (best deal in the universe when they blew them out at $79 and I'm still reeling from Electrix going out of business :-( Max used different effects pedals to get his cool sounds until he switched over to getting all of his percussion sounds out of his bass guitar--and what a universe that is.....I only regret that he won't be present this coming weekend. He rocks!!!! I have a large collection of really old analogue drum machines (going back to my piece de resistance, 1953 Wurlizter Sideman) which were mostly organ accompaniement machines. They have really dweeby analogue sounds but run them through a flanger and a distortion box and a filter box and they sound like god. Another way to use the SR-16 (or any out of date but MIDI controllable drum machine is to go out and buy a used Alesis DR-4 or DR-5 drum module. They have a myriad of excellent sounds and you can use the SR-16 to trigger them. Even a really cheap out of date sampler can be really effective for triggering short envelope drum sounds with an old drum machine. My old Akai S 950 has incredible sound on drum sounds..........just don't plan on using a long quiet flute sample with it...............LOL...........noise city. In a way, the more idiosyncratic you are with your sound choices, the more interesting your minimalistic programming can be. Think of your drum progamming as the same thing as voicing a chord on any chordal instrument. The more notes you use in the chord the more you box yourself in harmonically for your theme or solo on top of it. I can always tell keyboard or guitar players who program because they overprogram almost universally: In a wierd way, I have found that the most useful drum programs (or rhythmic 'bed' loops for that matter) are the ones that are incredibly minimalistic and almost always only one bar or two bars long.............this gives one much more room to layer on top of the piece to create interest and diversity. Less is definitely More when it comes to effective grooves and programming. Bottom line on all of this, is that your gear is as good as you are creative with it. Noone should feel ashamed or judged by what they have. Just get jiggy with it!!!! See you all in Santa Cruz this weekend. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 10 23:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22174; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:50:25 -0400 From: akashmusic@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Message-ID: <7DA23FE4.3EE9E935.0E5DEBD9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:40:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlawren@pacbell.net writes: > how much of what you play on your instrument is really > ~yours~ ? Nothing is truly all yours IMHO except the "attitude" & perspective you or anyone else would bring to "it". & that is reagardless as to "it" being either an instruemnt or a just mere condiment :) "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 00:04:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24312; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710205937.00b6f348@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:02:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Music spam In-Reply-To: References: <000801c22847$e74bf8a0$6445230a@melon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice tracks, Jonathan. I'll volunteer for your and Jon W's band. Need a DJ? ;) -Hans At 14:32 10/07/2002, you wrote: >Ok guys, I've finally got a website, with a couple of track from my current >project uploaded, and thought you guys might be interested. > >http://www.groovetronica.com > >The website is exactly 1/2 an hour old, so it's pretty barren. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 00:31:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25852; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:33:08 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Band Info & Gig Spam -- San Francisco Area To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005b01c22894$0ef58f00$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <080XND.A.aTG.UnQL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am finally posting some information about a relatively new live drum 'n bass / trip hop / ambient project I am involved with in San Francisco. The band is called "jump/cut" and we make some use of looping and real-time sampling ... and ample use of effects. The instrumentation is bass, midi synth guitar, drums, and turntablist. I play mostly fretless 5-string bass and electric upright bass ... and use an EDP and Electrix Mo-FX in my rack along with extensive pedalboard set-up (Lovetone Meatball, Line 6 MM4 & DL4, Akai Headrush, EBS Octabass, EH Bass Synth, Moogerfooger Ring Mod, Pearl Phaser) You can check us out on the Web at: http://www.jumpcut.net We are looking to work with interactive video/multimedia artists at our shows ... if you know of anyone who may be interested, send them our way. Also, we like to have guest players at rehearsals and gigs (if space permits), so if you are interested in sitting in with us sometime, shoot me an e-mail. Upcoming gigs: August 8, 2002 @ Cloud 9 Hotel 34 7th Street (7th @ Market) San Francisco, CA 415.355.9991 9p - 12a August 16, 2002 @ Jupiter 2181 Shattuck Ave Berkeley, CA 510.843.8277 8p - 11p August 26, 2002 @ 26 Mix 3024 Mission St San Francisco, CA 415.826.7378 9p - 12a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 00:40:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26272; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:38:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:38:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c22862$2ed98ab0$03f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <61EC69F0.4FDE251A.09B5D419@aol.com> Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:36:05 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "AS I do think Spooky creates something out of a nothing per se but more in the sense that he is articulating that which we have yet to perhaps observe & where its drawn out of a something which has always been there for anyone to observe." i think this argument creates a very slippery slope in that one could easily walk this ideal into the realm of absurdity. i mean, that's like reading a book and then talking about something that may or may not have been elucidated...and then calling it your own. sorry, i can't get with that idea...not because i want to get down on spooky, but it's an ideal that i can't rationalize. "I dont really believe anymore that a musician ever starts with a blank page in as much as they articulate things which are already present and available to all of us." in this case, can one ever take credit for writing a song? coming up with a "new idea"? once again, that darn slippery slope... "i think yet again, these sentiments are in turn folks maybe reflecting more of their own expectations and placing their own demands on a performance & performer & that aint got anthing to do with any music we could articulate, hear, like dislike know or avoid" of course...i don't think there's a universal in this case. i don't think you have an option other than to apply your personal aesthetic. who's to say "dj spooky is wrong"? certainly not me. otherwise, there is no "like" or "dislike". how is it that one decides what lp they are going to buy? it's what they look for in the music. each artist/musician/etc. is at liberty to do whatever they please. as a member of the buying public, i'm going to take the liberty to discuss it within the confines of groups like this. am i unjustified? if so, we need to go about firing every art critic in the world. "but it's not quite accurate to say he only reassembles others' sounds." i sit corrected. for argument's sake, let's assume that i'm talking strictly about his sample-based music...cut and paste stuff...not his own. "how much of what you play on your instrument is really ~yours~ and not some rehash of something else you heard?" i don't think anybody can escape their influences, at least to some degree. does what i listen to come out in my own music? absolutely. is it intentional? not really. i never set out to mimic what i've heard in an overt way. "that's exactly what coltrane did for many of his songs when he was getting established. many of *his* songs were patterned after the jazz standards of the day" patterned, yes...but just copies? not really. i think something like this probably has a bit to do with the harmony involved. trane may have liked the way certain chords moved to other chords. that's like saying "sorry dude, can't use bricks to build your house...i've already done that". things like chord progressions, as far as i see it, come across more as formats. like the blues format...been done a trillion times. it's a platform. it can be incidental. "moment's notice" has a lot of ii-V's that move in half steps...and this can be found in oodles of tunes. same thing as a I chord turning into a ii. this is getting fun. i'm finding all kinds of holes in my own theories... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 02:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01420; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:11:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020711061104.40672.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: live or memorex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207110237.WAA15629@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "Jimmy Fowler" > > more or less of a musician. creating something > out of nothing makes you an artist or a > creator. regarding music, creating sound out > of silence makes you a musician, silence being > the total absense of what one will ultimately > go on to create...as in: the song isn't written > yet, so it isn't music...or something like > that. But do musicians really create from silence or just make something new from all the music they've heard in their life, stored in the back of their mind somewhere? I tend to go for the latter. Nobody creates out of nothing, everybody takes in some form of raw materials and organizes them in a way they find to be ideal. Whether it's notes and licks or samples and loops. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 02:28:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02198; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:27:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <157.10a08cfe.2a5e7f00@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:26:08 EDT Subject: Re: Music spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan, Very cool indeed. Keep us posted with other new stuff you do. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 02:39:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02803; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:39:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c22873$004e5980$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020711061104.40672.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: live or memorex Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:36:29 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > But do musicians really create from silence or > just make something new from all the music > they've heard in their life, stored in the back > of their mind somewhere? I tend to go for the > latter. Nobody creates out of nothing, everybody > takes in some form of raw materials and organizes > them in a way they find to be ideal. Whether > it's notes and licks or samples and loops. certainly nobody is at a point of total and absolute freedom, but dj spooky (now just a totem) is getting a headstart on the game. what he uses is already organized to some degree...i mean, if he's cutting it up so much so that he's left with a single piano note or a single drum hit, then why not just play the piano and drum kit and sample your own playing? what dj spooky uses is already organized and placed on/within a piece of media (cd, lp, 8-track, etc.). i think every musician, particularly guitarists, have "licks" that they fall back on. the idea is to catch yourself when you're using stock ideas and say "you know, this is just an automatic lick that my fingers like to play. for that reason, i shall now discard it and try to come up with some arrangment of notes that i, personally, have never knowingly encountered." i think charlie parker told a story once: he had a fellow musician stand beside him as he practiced. parker's instructions were for his friend to hit him everytime they heard him recylce an idea. if he played a "lick", he got whacked. this is the idea, so far as i'm concerned. don't allow yourself to get away with anything less than 100% of your creativity. anything less is simply a cop-out...a sort of getting-by in the music. but no, to get back, no musician creates anything from total scratch. that having been said, where does your influence start and where does it stop? when you play a riff, how can you know for sure that it wasn't influenced or strikes your fancy because you heard something similar while walking down the street...maybe some cars were honking and the pitches just sounded right and your mind stored them but you didn't really pay that much attention. sorry, tangent... my point: sampling other folks music is just a little more effortless and therefore a little less legitimate (maybe legitimate isn't the right word). you didn't have to try quite as hard because you found a riff that you liked on a record somewhere, created by somebody else, already employed in somebody else's jam. i get the sneaking suspicion that i'm a one-man minority on this subject. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 05:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16457; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:50:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:50:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.145.186.243] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> <007f01c22842$89518990$0af8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:02:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0103_01C228D2.E57839E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 09:49:34.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[43576CB0:01C228C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C228D2.E57839E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry, it's a touchy for them and=20 if say, dj remixed song ? just to have cut it up=20 i'd be angry for that song=20 and look at this new subject i wrote!! pretty me! >sorry, it's a touchy subject for me. i'd be pretty angry if i wrote a = song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have them say >"look at = this new song that i wrote" =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C228D2.E57839E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry, it's a touchy for them
and
 if  say, dj remixed song  ?
just to have cut it  up
i'd  be  angry for that song
and
look at this new subject i wrote!!
pretty me!
 
 
 
>sorry, it's a touchy subject for me.  i'd = be pretty=20 angry if i wrote a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have = them say=20 >"look at this new song that i wrote"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C228D2.E57839E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 06:33:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19460; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:31:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: live or memorex Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:29:28 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c228c5$d6fbcdd0$cb68fea9@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <001801c22873$004e5980$04f8c440@g0wn7> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but this notion seems to me to be more of an aesthetic of musicianship rather than a definition of what "true" musicianship is universally. you're definition may be valid enough in your perspective and context, but i don't think we can ever come to a true universally applicable and accepted definition of music or musicianship, because the abstract tools (words) we're using to attempt this are inherently incapable of doing anything more than providing a rough, abstracted frame of reference. words are handy enough when you want to get a vague idea of what's on the menu, but they can't let you taste the food. there's an infinite diversity of perspective within any experience, the validity of any given perspective is only in relation to a particular context, and to get hung up on definitions such as those we're tossing around here is truely a very, very, slippery slope. IMHO, FWIW ... and besides, silence is music too ;-) mike -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live or memorex > But do musicians really create from silence or > just make something new from all the music > they've heard in their life, stored in the back > of their mind somewhere? I tend to go for the > latter. Nobody creates out of nothing, everybody > takes in some form of raw materials and organizes > them in a way they find to be ideal. Whether > it's notes and licks or samples and loops. certainly nobody is at a point of total and absolute freedom, but dj spooky (now just a totem) is getting a headstart on the game. what he uses is already organized to some degree...i mean, if he's cutting it up so much so that he's left with a single piano note or a single drum hit, then why not just play the piano and drum kit and sample your own playing? what dj spooky uses is already organized and placed on/within a piece of media (cd, lp, 8-track, etc.). i think every musician, particularly guitarists, have "licks" that they fall back on. the idea is to catch yourself when you're using stock ideas and say "you know, this is just an automatic lick that my fingers like to play. for that reason, i shall now discard it and try to come up with some arrangment of notes that i, personally, have never knowingly encountered." i think charlie parker told a story once: he had a fellow musician stand beside him as he practiced. parker's instructions were for his friend to hit him everytime they heard him recylce an idea. if he played a "lick", he got whacked. this is the idea, so far as i'm concerned. don't allow yourself to get away with anything less than 100% of your creativity. anything less is simply a cop-out...a sort of getting-by in the music. but no, to get back, no musician creates anything from total scratch. that having been said, where does your influence start and where does it stop? when you play a riff, how can you know for sure that it wasn't influenced or strikes your fancy because you heard something similar while walking down the street...maybe some cars were honking and the pitches just sounded right and your mind stored them but you didn't really pay that much attention. sorry, tangent... my point: sampling other folks music is just a little more effortless and therefore a little less legitimate (maybe legitimate isn't the right word). you didn't have to try quite as hard because you found a riff that you liked on a record somewhere, created by somebody else, already employed in somebody else's jam. i get the sneaking suspicion that i'm a one-man minority on this subject. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 06:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19701; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:36:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c228c6$966ebab0$462793d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <01a401c227c9$e4583150$04f8c440@g0wn7> <3D2C5281.C00D0E24@bagend.com> <009a01c2280c$227189e0$0cf8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: will 9v ac interfere with audio signal? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:34:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0CE5OD.A.czE.H-VL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:20 PM Subject: Re: will 9v ac interfere with audio signal? > yep, unbalanced. > > i only need about 5 feet extra...nothing extensive. the audio cable is well > insulated. > > what about midi cable? will 9v interfere with that also? > > -jim > do NOT mix audio (specially unbal mic level ) with MIDI in the same multicore you'll get clics, noizes as midi messages co by this is real Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 06:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20700; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:55:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:55:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: Loopy mp3s Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:55:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c228c9$802d86c0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2288E.D3CEAEC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2288E.D3CEAEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey gang-=20 =20 I just posted another late night live mix to my audio page- =93Stay = Close To The Lord=94 - Repeater, ES-1, and more- I plan on adding some brief explanations on them in the coming month- I hope someone enjoys them. =20 http://www.om-studios.com/Audio/ArtandSound/om-studios/Audio.html =20 Cliff =20 http://www.om-studios.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2288E.D3CEAEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey gang- =

 

I just posted another = late night live mix to my audio page- = =93Stay Close To The Lord=94 -  Repeater, = ES-1, and more- I plan on adding some brief explanations on them in the coming month- I hope someone enjoys them.

 

http://www.om-studios.com/Audio/ArtandSound/om-studios/Audio.html

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2288E.D3CEAEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 07:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22420; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:01:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:01:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: OT: live or memorex Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c228ca$0c51afa0$cb68fea9@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <001201c228c5$d6fbcdd0$cb68fea9@melon> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm, i sound preachy and dorky. shouldn't try philosophy first thing in the morning, slapstick humor seems to be easier to pull off ;-) sorry if i appeared to jump on your case jimmy! i mean, what's the point of words at all, maaaan? just intonate, we'll get the drift! OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!! although i do stand by the "silence is music too" remark. i think. well, you could look at it that way i guess ... ok, that's it, i think i better eat something ;-) mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: live or memorex but this notion seems to me to be more of an aesthetic of musicianship rather than a definition of what "true" musicianship is universally. you're definition may be valid enough in your perspective and context, but i don't think we can ever come to a true universally applicable and accepted definition of music or musicianship, because the abstract tools (words) we're using to attempt this are inherently incapable of doing anything more than providing a rough, abstracted frame of reference. words are handy enough when you want to get a vague idea of what's on the menu, but they can't let you taste the food. there's an infinite diversity of perspective within any experience, the validity of any given perspective is only in relation to a particular context, and to get hung up on definitions such as those we're tossing around here is truely a very, very, slippery slope. IMHO, FWIW ... and besides, silence is music too ;-) mike -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live or memorex > But do musicians really create from silence or > just make something new from all the music > they've heard in their life, stored in the back > of their mind somewhere? I tend to go for the > latter. Nobody creates out of nothing, everybody > takes in some form of raw materials and organizes > them in a way they find to be ideal. Whether > it's notes and licks or samples and loops. certainly nobody is at a point of total and absolute freedom, but dj spooky (now just a totem) is getting a headstart on the game. what he uses is already organized to some degree...i mean, if he's cutting it up so much so that he's left with a single piano note or a single drum hit, then why not just play the piano and drum kit and sample your own playing? what dj spooky uses is already organized and placed on/within a piece of media (cd, lp, 8-track, etc.). i think every musician, particularly guitarists, have "licks" that they fall back on. the idea is to catch yourself when you're using stock ideas and say "you know, this is just an automatic lick that my fingers like to play. for that reason, i shall now discard it and try to come up with some arrangment of notes that i, personally, have never knowingly encountered." i think charlie parker told a story once: he had a fellow musician stand beside him as he practiced. parker's instructions were for his friend to hit him everytime they heard him recylce an idea. if he played a "lick", he got whacked. this is the idea, so far as i'm concerned. don't allow yourself to get away with anything less than 100% of your creativity. anything less is simply a cop-out...a sort of getting-by in the music. but no, to get back, no musician creates anything from total scratch. that having been said, where does your influence start and where does it stop? when you play a riff, how can you know for sure that it wasn't influenced or strikes your fancy because you heard something similar while walking down the street...maybe some cars were honking and the pitches just sounded right and your mind stored them but you didn't really pay that much attention. sorry, tangent... my point: sampling other folks music is just a little more effortless and therefore a little less legitimate (maybe legitimate isn't the right word). you didn't have to try quite as hard because you found a riff that you liked on a record somewhere, created by somebody else, already employed in somebody else's jam. i get the sneaking suspicion that i'm a one-man minority on this subject. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 07:27:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23666; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:26:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:26:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Prerecorded Loops & DJs Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:25:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8L89yC.A.axF.HtWL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Sandberg [mailto:stevesandberg@earthlink.net] > > Isn't the distinguishing factor here that people are participating by > dancing, not sitting down looking at musicians on a stage > presenting a show? george clinton. phish. karl denson. jamiroquai. -- 'live' orbital. prodigy. bt. hybrid. -- '???' richie hawtin. sasha & digweed. etc. -- 'djs' people dance at all these shows. where's the distinguishing factor? paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 07:40:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24597; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:39:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:39:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2D6E55.558D5587@turino.ch> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:39:02 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: jesus@turino.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Prerecorded Loops & DJs References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C4ABADF0471FF630A46D56B9" Resent-Message-ID: <4OzOa.A.2_F.n5WL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------C4ABADF0471FF630A46D56B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wellcome to 2k ;-) - i'm trying to make dj-music without turntables ... we call our performances "open minded dance music". thats our goal -> make all this "consuming dance people" to listen to "real" (... what an awful word ...) music. the best feedback was 2 weeks ago from a young woman: "i never listen to live music ... now i can dance & watch/listen to real instruments ... Paul Weissman wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Sandberg [mailto:stevesandberg@earthlink.net] > > > > Isn't the distinguishing factor here that people are participating by > > dancing, not sitting down looking at musicians on a stage > > presenting a show? > > george clinton. phish. karl denson. jamiroquai. -- 'live' > > orbital. prodigy. bt. hybrid. -- '???' > > richie hawtin. sasha & digweed. etc. -- 'djs' > > people dance at all these shows. where's the distinguishing factor? > > paul --------------C4ABADF0471FF630A46D56B9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wellcome to 2k

;-)

- i'm trying to make dj-music without turntables ... we call our performances "open minded dance music".
thats our goal -> make all this "consuming dance people" to listen to "real" (... what an awful word ...) music.
the best feedback was 2 weeks ago from a young woman: "i never listen to live music ... now i can dance & watch/listen to real instruments ...

Paul Weissman wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Sandberg [mailto:stevesandberg@earthlink.net]
>
> Isn't the distinguishing factor here that people are participating by
> dancing, not sitting down looking at musicians on a stage
> presenting a show?

george clinton.  phish.  karl denson.  jamiroquai.   -- 'live'

orbital.  prodigy.  bt.  hybrid.                     -- '???'

richie hawtin.  sasha & digweed.  etc.               -- 'djs'

people dance at all these shows.  where's the distinguishing factor?

paul

--------------C4ABADF0471FF630A46D56B9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 09:46:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07202; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:45:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:45:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c228e1$3c172e60$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> <007f01c22842$89518990$0af8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:45:34 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C228E9.9CE8F900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C228E9.9CE8F900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone watched the interview with Bowie the other night, hm? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" sorry, it's a touchy for them and=20 if say, dj remixed song ? just to have cut it up=20 i'd be angry for that song=20 and look at this new subject i wrote!! pretty me! >sorry, it's a touchy subject for me. i'd be pretty angry if i wrote = a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have them say >"look at = this new song that i wrote" =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C228E9.9CE8F900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Someone watched the interview with Bowie the = other=20 night, hm?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark francombe
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 = 11:02=20 AM
Subject: Burroughsesqe ...Re: = Is it=20 "Live" or "Memorex"

sorry, it's a touchy for them
and
 if  say, dj remixed song  ?
just to have cut it  up
i'd  be  angry for that song
and
look at this new subject i wrote!!
pretty me!
 
 
 
>sorry, it's a touchy subject for me.  i'd = be pretty=20 angry if i wrote a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have = them=20 say >"look at this new song that i wrote"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C228E9.9CE8F900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 10:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11096; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:09:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:09:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:08:23 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drum machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <048101c228e4$6b4e8e00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200207110237.WAA15629@hemlock.violacea.com> <005f01c2288c$7075dc60$3a62f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > They have really dweeby analogue sounds but > run them through a flanger and a distortion box and a filter box and they > sound like god. >... > yours, Rick > i don't think it's fair to compare any drum machine to god. just listen to his tone on layla... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 10:39:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15160; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:37:50 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: live or memorex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <049701c228e8$88ba9c50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020711061104.40672.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c22873$004e5980$04f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ... > i think charlie parker told a story once: he had a fellow musician stand > beside him as he practiced. parker's instructions were for his friend to > hit him everytime they heard him recylce an idea. if he played a "lick", he > got whacked. this is the idea, so far as i'm concerned. don't allow > yourself to get away with anything less than 100% of your creativity. > anything less is simply a cop-out...a sort of getting-by in the music. > >... hey, charlie parker was just breathing my air in a different way. good thing he didn't realize that and quit... no, really. if music were only about doing "something new," it wouldn't be music anymore either... interestingly, music is a ancient greek word and for them it included a much wider universe than it does for us (for example math and physics) >... > my point: sampling other folks music is just a little more effortless and > therefore a little less legitimate (maybe legitimate isn't the right word). > you didn't have to try quite as hard because you found a riff that you liked > on a record somewhere, created by somebody else, already employed in > somebody else's jam. > > i get the sneaking suspicion that i'm a one-man minority on this subject. > > -jim > you are not alone. i have held this position myself in the past. i suggest that you try to do what you are claiming is "more effortless" and see what comes out. i actually prefer to be effortless in my playing. (this ironically turns out to be quite difficult) check out kenny werner's excellent book "effortless mastery" i consider it essential reading for any musician. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 10:47:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16040; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:46:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:46:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2D9773.1B095063@bagend.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:34:27 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: will 9v ac interfere with audio signal? References: <01a401c227c9$e4583150$04f8c440@g0wn7> <3D2C5281.C00D0E24@bagend.com> <009a01c2280c$227189e0$0cf8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No. I don't think midi is sensitive to noise in the frequency range of a little power supply. Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > yep, unbalanced. > > i only need about 5 feet extra...nothing extensive. the audio cable is well > insulated. > > what about midi cable? will 9v interfere with that also? > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 11:18:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20514; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:12:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:12:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <175.b129c0b.2a5ef9fd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:10:53 EDT Subject: Re: live or memorex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_175.b129c0b.2a5ef9fd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <951SIB.A.e_E.pAaL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_175.b129c0b.2a5ef9fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/02 2:39:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > hit him everytime they heard him recylce an idea i would be beaten to death!.....yikes!.....michael --part1_175.b129c0b.2a5ef9fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/02 2:39:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


hit him everytime they heard him recylce an idea


i would be beaten to death!.....yikes!.....michael --part1_175.b129c0b.2a5ef9fd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 11:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24393; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:38:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:38:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020711153756.88337.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:37:56 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: RE: prerecorded loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207102040.QAA13292@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:47:11 -0700 >From: "Dave Trenkel" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: prerecorded loops having seen video of the shadow/cutchemist/whomever? i'm pretty sure he's doing both cuts and the MPC live he's HIGHLY skilled and creative in both areas, IMHO cheers, phil >The new DJ Shadow CD has a "Deluxe" edition version >that includes a >2nd live disc, a performance with DJ Shadow, Cut >Chemist and another >DJ. It's pretty interesting, lots of variety. I'm >guessing that >Shadow is playing an MPC live, while the others >scratch. ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 11:50:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26470; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:49:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <19e.50ea68c.2a5f02bb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:48:11 EDT Subject: Re: live or memorex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19e.50ea68c.2a5f02bb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19e.50ea68c.2a5f02bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/2002 7:38:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes: > hey, charlie parker was just breathing my air in a different way. > good thing he didn't realize that and quit... > > no, really. > if music were only about doing "something new," it wouldn't be music > anymore either... actually prefer to be effortless in my playing...check > out kenny werner's excellent book "effortless mastery" > i consider it essential reading for any musician. > AMEN! and man, I think i got to get a hold of that book you mention there. "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic --part1_19e.50ea68c.2a5f02bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/2002 7:38:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes:


hey, charlie parker was just breathing my air in a different way.
good thing he didn't realize that and quit...

no, really.
if  music were only about doing "something new," it wouldn't be music anymore either... actually prefer to be effortless in my playing...check out kenny werner's excellent book "effortless mastery"
i consider it essential reading for any musician.




AMEN!

and man,  I think i got to get a hold of that book you mention there.

"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
            JP/AKASH
  "The World's Most Erotic Band"
      http://www.akashmusic.com
     http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic

 --part1_19e.50ea68c.2a5f02bb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 12:21:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31400; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:20:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:20:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2DAD49.D011DE52@bagend.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:07:37 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Human drummer:oxymoron? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon and group: I have worked with this setup a bit now, and gotten the Repeater to sync satisfactorily with a mic on the kik drum. My drummer thinks I may have even better results by micing the hi-hat. The repeater does quite well interpeting syncopated beats to bpm. PLEASE, how can I setup the Repeater to get 3 tracks, per the post below. Has anyone tried the RedSound Micro Sync? thanks in advance for the help. -henry Jon Wagner wrote: > > >Does anyone have experience setting up the Repeater to chase a human > >drummer? > > I'm a human drummer. The repeater chases me. Now if it can catch me is the > question :) > > I've had very good luck with the beat detect on the repeater. My only gripe > is that the only way it can beat detect, is from its audio source. So if > you don't want to loop the beat detect source too, you're in for a little > gymnastics. You'll need to use the left input for the beat detect source > signal, and the right input for your bass. Then stereo lock the tracks > together and mute the left track. So the repeater WILL loop the beat detect > source (your drummer) but you won't hear it because the left tracks are > muted. Congradulations, you now have only two tracks to work with. Or > three if you're fancy - I can explain how if you really want. > > Experiment with micing the drum kit. A good place to start is an SM57 on > the hi-hat, or the bass drum. While the repeater is trying to lock onto the > tempo, you can help it out by tapping the tap tempo button. Once the beat > detect led stops blinking, signaling that it found the tempo, press the > tempo-lock button and now it will only react to little variations in the > drummer's tempo - syncopations shouldn't shake it at this point. > > Let us konw how it goes! > Jon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 12:50:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00971; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:48:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:48:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020711001553.03263a30@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:49:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: live or memorex In-Reply-To: <001801c22873$004e5980$04f8c440@g0wn7> References: <20020711061104.40672.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, I just had to go check the calendar....it is 2002! whew! I was worried I had left the way-back machine turned on and had slipped back to 1987. kim At 05:36 PM 7/10/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >i get the sneaking suspicion that i'm a one-man minority on this subject. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 12:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00903; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01a401c227c9$e4583150$04f8c440@g0wn7> References: <01a401c227c9$e4583150$04f8c440@g0wn7> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:48:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: will 9v ac interfere with audio signal? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i need to bundle all my audio cables together so that i can get rid of the >mess under my feet. my pedalboard requires 9v with an adapter. will >running an extension cable (carrying the converted 120v) alongside my audio >cables create an interference? > >-jim if its 9V AC: Yes, if its DC: No -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 13:01:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03325; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: mam warp nine Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:57:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C22904.7E3C8A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 16:59:20.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CA13C60:01C228FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C22904.7E3C8A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable any good ???? i want to use it for well filtering obviously i am a guitarist interesed in creating sythn textures [like a lot of = poepl on this list :)] your feedback is welcome David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C22904.7E3C8A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
any good ????
i want to use it for well filtering=20 obviously
i am a guitarist interesed in = creating sythn=20 textures [like a lot of poepl on this list :)]
your feedback is welcome
 
David Swain
 
www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C22904.7E3C8A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 13:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04437; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.24.8.6] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:18:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.1700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C228D5.0358EDE0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 17:15:18.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[87DD59B0:01C228FE] Resent-Message-ID: <_PuZAC.A.-EB.F1bL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C228D5.0358EDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good analogy, but one needs to be careful when discussing this subject ma= tter, because, like the art world, the distinction between what isn't art= and what is gets really fuzzy, if you follow me. For the sake of good a= rgument (and do not take this personally), I will take your reasoning to = the next level: instead of using Coltrane, let's use a keyboard player--a= ny one will do. Now, let's say that the keyboardist "creates" a piece of= music out of silence, which would, by your reasoning, qualify the player= as a musician. However, with many keyboards out there (and yes, this do= es betray my lack of enthusiasm for the instruments), one is not directly= "creating" the sounds: the keyboard's sounds are actually made up of man= y samples of "real" instruments. So is it the player or the machine that= is the real player? Is it the player, because he/she actually pressed t= he fight buttons/keys? Or the machine, which is ultimately doing most of= the work "creating" the quality of sound? Add sequencers and hard-disk = recorders and soft synths and effects processors and the distinction on w= ho is "actually" creating the music disappears... Might I offer a suggestion? (Now putting my Zen hat on) The whole argum= ent is faulty, because we are assuming one thing: that music is an object= that is made by a musician. However, music is in actuality an event, or= process (which is why live music is much more exciting to witness). The= musician, regardless of the instrument played, is not the "creator" of t= hat process, but part of it. (For excellent examples of this I suggest s= ome of the later Miles Davis quintets, such as My Funny Valentine or the = Plugged Nickel--the entire group was actually one large organism. There = was no egoism involved.) Again, just offering an opinion for the sake of an intelligent discussion= ... best, Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Fowler Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" ok...gotta jump in on this one... i wouldn't say that dj spooky or whomever is on the same level as, say, y= oyo ma. not even close. and virtuosity doesn't make one any more or les= s of a musician. creating something out of nothing makes you an artist o= r a creator. regarding music, creating sound out of silence makes you a = musician, silence being the total absense of what one will ultimately go = on to create...as in: the song isn't written yet, so it isn't music...or = something like that. may i offer an analogy: john coltrane vs. dj spooky coltrane would be painting on a blank canvas with only the colors within = his technical range available. so he paints a picture. dj spooky comes = along and cuts the painting into tiny and not-so-tiny pieces (along with = multiple other paintings, as suits his fancy). he then reassembles them = to make a "new" creation. key word: reassembles. he's not taking nothin= g and making something...rather, he's just taking what's already there an= d rearranging it. if you take the frame of your '88 toyota and put a hon= da hood, chevy doors, and a vw engine in/on it, you haven't built a total= ly new car. you've just taken parts of pre-existing cars and mushed them= together so that perhaps it looks new, drives differently, and gets bett= er gas mileage but the parts still belonged to cars that were already in = existence. sorry, it's a touchy subject for me. i'd be pretty angry if i wrote a so= ng and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have them say "look at this = new song that i wrote" as well, i'm a fan of dj spooky and john coltrane. but i can't agree tha= t they are capable of existing on the same musical plane. -jimGet more from the Web. 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Good analogy, but one n= eeds to be careful when discussing this subject matter, because, like the= art world, the distinction between what isn't art and what is gets reall= y fuzzy, if you follow me.  For the sake of good argument (and do no= t take this personally), I will take your reasoning to the next level: in= stead of using Coltrane, let's use a keyboard player--any one will do.&nb= sp; Now, let's say that the keyboardist "creates" a piece of music out of= silence, which would, by your reasoning, qualify the player as a musicia= n.  However, with many keyboards out there (and yes, this does betra= y my lack of enthusiasm for the instruments), one is not directly "creati= ng" the sounds: the keyboard's sounds are actually made up of many sample= s of "real" instruments.  So is it the player or the machine that is= the real player?  Is it the player, because he/she actually pressed= the fight buttons/keys?  Or the machine, which is ultimately doing = most of the work "creating" the quality of sound?  Add sequencers an= d hard-disk recorders and soft synths and effects processors and the dist= inction on who is "actually" creating the music disappears...
= Might I offer a suggestion?  (Now putting my Zen hat on)  The w= hole argument is faulty, because we are assuming one thing: that music is= an object that is made by a musician.  However, music is in actuali= ty an event, or process (which is why live music is much more exciting to= witness).  The musician, regardless of the instrument played, is no= t the "creator" of that process, but part of it.  (For excellent exa= mples of this I suggest some of the later Miles Davis quintets, such as M= y Funny Valentine or the Plugged Nickel--the entire group was actually on= e large organism.  There was no egoism involved.)
Again, = just offering an opinion for the sake of an intelligent discussion...
best,
Jonathan
----- Original Me= ssage -----
From: Jimmy Fowler
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:53 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"
 
ok...gotta jump in on this one.= ..
 
i wouldn't say that dj spooky or whomever is on the same level as, say,= yoyo ma.  not even close.  and virtuosity doesn't make one any= more or less of a musician.  creating something out of nothing make= s you an artist or a creator.  regarding music, creating sound out o= f silence makes you a musician, silence being the total absense of what o= ne will ultimately go on to create...as in: the song isn't written yet, s= o it isn't music...or something like that.
 
may i offer an analogy: john co= ltrane vs. dj spooky
 
=
coltrane would be painting on a blank canvas with on= ly the colors within his technical range available.  so he paints a = picture.  dj spooky comes along and cuts the painting into tiny and = not-so-tiny pieces (along with multiple other paintings, as suits his fan= cy).  he then reassembles them to make a "new" creation.  = key word: reassembles.  he's not taking nothing and making something= ...rather, he's just taking what's already there and rearranging it. = ; if you take the frame of your '88 toyota and put a honda hood, chevy do= ors, and a vw engine in/on it, you haven't built a totally new car. = you've just taken parts of pre-existing cars and mushed them together so= that perhaps it looks new, drives differently, and gets better gas milea= ge but the parts still belonged to cars that were already in existence.
 
s= orry, it's a touchy subject for me.  i'd be pretty angry if i wrote = a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have them say "look at t= his new song that i wrote"
 =
as well, i'm a fan of dj spooky and john coltr= ane.  but i can't agree that they are capable of existing on the sam= e musical plane.
 
-jim

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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C228D5.0358EDE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 13:24:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04997; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:24:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:24:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2DBF20.4FA60501@turino.ch> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:23:43 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: jesus@turino.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" References: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> <007f01c22842$89518990$0af8c440@g0wn7> <003201c228e1$3c172e60$0201a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >sorry, it's a touchy subject for me.  i'd be pretty angry if i wrote a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have them say >"look at this new song that i wrote"

have you ever (...think ... =8-)...) wrote a song with any melody /tune/lick never -ever- played before ??????????? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 13:47:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06578; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:46:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:46:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:46:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c22902$d4a5e330$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-2l62B.A.VlB.-QcL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, I have owned my EDP for about a month now (although I only got to play it a couple of times before having to send it to Gibson for the "Err" problem ... Btw, Shane says it will take him at least 2 weeks to even get to it). Anyway, the EDP seems fairly easy to use up front except for a few things ... First, trying to learn the best gain structure and use of the feedback controls so that loops are built in a way that they maintain their clarity without getting all mushy. Second, learning the best way to incorporate the EDP within the overall mixing scheme such as applying effects before the loop (do we cut off reverb tails?) or after when we only have a single effects unit. Third, when you see all the commands in the EDP manual such as Quantize=On or RoundMode=Off and everyone on the loopers list refers to these functions as if they were able to change them on the fly (I assume with midi commands), the amount of possible button presses to accomlish many different things begins to greatly exceed the standard EFC buttons of "Record" "Overdub" "Multiply" "Insert" "Mute" "Undo" and "Next Loop". I know a lot of people here use the EDP for different things, but if these large number of various functions are meant to be static, I have yet to see any recommendations as to standard recommended setups, assuming that is possible. Are there any recommended standard configuration setups for the EDP? M. Steven Ginn P.S. I spoke with Shane Radtke at Gibson and according to him, they will not be getting any Loop IV chips so I guess I have to order those directly from Aurisis and install those myself when Gibson finally gets finished fixing my 2 month old EDP. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 13:54:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06947; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:55:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >With the caveat that the last time I saw DJ Spooky perform live, he had a >number of instruments with him (including an electric upright bass), and >*played them live*. Yes, he sampled himself and then mangled them, worked >them into samples, and spent much of the performance working with other >peoples' sounds, but it's not quite accurate to say he only reassembles >others' sounds. > By coincidence, I just got the new DJ Spooky CD, "Optometry", this week, and have been listening to it quite a lot. It's a collaboration with a number of excellent NYC avant jazz types: Matthew Shipp (piano), William Parker (bass), Joe McPhee (sax), Guillermo Brown (drums). Spooky is credited with laptop, kalimba, turntables, and upright bass. Amazing record, there's obviously looping and sampling, but lots of live playing as well. And the liner notes talk a lot about the meaning of "jazz" in the current culture. It's part of Thirsty Ear's Blue series discs, curated, I believe, by Matthew Shipp, and this has been one of the most interesting series of improvised music discs in recent memory. As far as the live/memorex thing goes, I have this argument all the time with friends of mine. Surprisingly, the people who are often the most adamant about the looping/turntables/sampling/etc front not being music are non-musicians, but people who consider themselves "informed" listeners, fans, etc. Most musicians I know are fairly open to the concept, at least those under 50 or so. My personal feeling is this: I listen to the results, not the means. If I hear something that kicks my ass musically, I don't care that much whether it was made by someone who has studied the saxophone for 60 years, or someone messing around with a turntable for the first time. Of course, I have a lot of respect for anyone who has mastered an instrument, but mastery is not necessarily related to musicality. I have heard plenty of extremely capable instrumentalists who bore me to tears. I've also heard my fair share of inept amateur performances, naivete does not automatically equal inspiration either. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 13:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07102; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:55:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:55:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711104902.01f8a200@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:53:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? In-Reply-To: <001301c22902$d4a5e330$420e88cf@stevespc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These questions are akin to asking what's the recommended standard configuration setup for a blank canvas. Or asking whether you should use acrylics, watercolors, oils, chalk, pastels, broad strokes, fine strokes, etc. There is no recommended standard. Some people have already responded that they like to loop an effected sound and others like to post-process their loops. Some do it both ways . At 12:46 PM 2002/07/11 -0500, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >Second, learning the best way to incorporate the EDP within the overall >mixing scheme such as applying effects before the loop (do we cut off >reverb tails?) or after when we only have a single effects unit. > >Third, when you see all the commands in the EDP manual such as >Quantize=On or RoundMode=Off and everyone on the loopers list refers to >these functions as if they were able to change them on the fly (I assume >with midi commands), the amount of possible button presses to accomlish >many different things begins to greatly exceed the standard EFC buttons >of "Record" "Overdub" "Multiply" "Insert" "Mute" "Undo" and "Next Loop". >I know a lot of people here use the EDP for different things, but if >these large number of various functions are meant to be static, I have >yet to see any recommendations as to standard recommended setups, >assuming that is possible. Are there any recommended standard >configuration setups for the EDP? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 14:05:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08862; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:04:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:04:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711110140.00b20310@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:02:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711104902.01f8a200@mail.mindspring.com> References: <001301c22902$d4a5e330$420e88cf@stevespc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forgot to mention there are those who neither pre- nor post-process - like Andre. heathens. :) At 10:53 AM 2002/07/11 -0700, Sean Echevarria wrote: >These questions are akin to asking what's the recommended standard configuration setup for a blank canvas. Or asking whether you should use acrylics, watercolors, oils, chalk, pastels, broad strokes, fine strokes, etc. There is no recommended standard. Some people have already responded that they like to loop an effected sound and others like to post-process their loops. Some do it both ways . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 14:18:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09430; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:17:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:17:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020711181648.24130.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: live or memorex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207111056.GAA20799@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From:"Jimmy Fowler" > certainly nobody is at a point of total and > absolute freedom, but dj spooky > (now just a totem) is getting a headstart on > the game. what he uses is > already organized to some degree...i mean, if > he's cutting it up so much so > that he's left with a single piano note or a > single drum hit, then why not > just play the piano and drum kit and sample > your own playing? > I see your point, but is that really much of a headstart? When I hear somebody like AMon Tobin, the way he puts samples together to make a song is so incredible and took such an obvious amount of work, that the fact that they're samples doesn't even become an issue for me. Is it really that big a difference if the phrases you use come from your LP collection instead of your subconcious? Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 14:44:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10570; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c2290a$b7550790$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711104902.01f8a200@mail.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean I am fully aware that the EDP could be configured ad-infinitum, I was only wondering if there were some guidelines somewhere that I might use to set up my EDP initially. A lot of times gear/software that have a great deal of options will also have recommended defaults from which to start. If the defaults of the EDP are in fact those that are in effect if you reset the system back to factory defaults, then I can live with that and use that as my starting point. My only comments about this to Matthias (who I was trying to direct this message to) was his comment about making the EDP to begin using for a beginner. But for me (a beginner), as powerful and awesome as the EDP is (or can be), having so many choices when trying to learn it is somewhat intimidating. Relating the EDP to an empty canvas is quite an interesting analogy, but remember even art books exist so you can learn how best to combine colors and use different mediums to accomplish a masterpiece. As for the pre/post or the before EDP after EDP effects question, I have seen the posts how some have used one or the other, but not necessarily a great amount as to why you would want it one way or the other. I have actually been thinking that it might be nice to somehow figure out how to determine if effects are applied before or after on-the-fly so that I might add some effects to part of what I am putting on the loop and then change the effects for the entire mix after the loop ... But how best to accomplish this is something else I have learn. Most likely from reading what the experts in LD have to say. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:54 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? > > > These questions are akin to asking what's the recommended > standard configuration setup for a blank canvas. Or asking > whether you should use acrylics, watercolors, oils, chalk, > pastels, broad strokes, fine strokes, etc. There is no > recommended standard. Some people have already responded > that they like to loop an effected sound and others like to > post-process their loops. Some do it both ways . > > > > At 12:46 PM 2002/07/11 -0500, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > >Second, learning the best way to incorporate the EDP within > the overall > >mixing scheme such as applying effects before the loop (do > we cut off > >reverb tails?) or after when we only have a single effects unit. > > > >Third, when you see all the commands in the EDP manual such as > >Quantize=On or RoundMode=Off and everyone on the loopers > list refers to > >these functions as if they were able to change them on the fly (I > >assume with midi commands), the amount of possible button presses to > >accomlish many different things begins to greatly exceed the > standard > >EFC buttons of "Record" "Overdub" "Multiply" "Insert" "Mute" > "Undo" and > >"Next Loop". I know a lot of people here use the EDP for different > >things, but if these large number of various functions are > meant to be > >static, I have yet to see any recommendations as to standard > >recommended setups, assuming that is possible. Are there any > >recommended standard configuration setups for the EDP? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 15:07:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13392; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2DD5CC.5540346B@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:00:29 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? References: <001901c2290a$b7550790$420e88cf@stevespc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yet another non-Matthias reply to a question for Matthias! "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: > Sean I am fully aware that the EDP could be configured ad-infinitum, I > was only wondering if there were some guidelines somewhere that I might > use to set up my EDP initially. http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/2001.html http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/tg.html I specifically designed these pages to reflect different applications for the Echoplex using certain combinations of functions and parameter setttings. Certain types of combinations are more effective for different types of approaches. Matthias also has an excellent EDP tutorial written: A lot of times gear/software that have > a great deal of options will also have recommended defaults from which > to start. If the defaults of the EDP are in fact those that are in > effect if you reset the system back to factory defaults, then I can live > with that and use that as my starting point. My only comments about > this to Matthias (who I was trying to direct this message to) was his > comment about making the EDP to begin using for a beginner. But for me > (a beginner), as powerful and awesome as the EDP is (or can be), having > so many choices when trying to learn it is somewhat intimidating. > Relating the EDP to an empty canvas is quite an interesting analogy, but > remember even art books exist so you can learn how best to combine > colors and use different mediums to accomplish a masterpiece. > > As for the pre/post or the before EDP after EDP effects question, I have > seen the posts how some have used one or the other, but not necessarily > a great amount as to why you would want it one way or the other. I have > actually been thinking that it might be nice to somehow figure out how > to determine if effects are applied before or after on-the-fly so that I > might add some effects to part of what I am putting on the loop and then > change the effects for the entire mix after the loop ... But how best to > accomplish this is something else I have learn. Most likely from > reading what the experts in LD have to say. > > M. Steven Ginn > > ******************************** > Please go to > > Listen to the music. > Purchase the CD > Support the NY Firefighters > 9/11 Relief Fund > ******************************** > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:54 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? > > > > > > These questions are akin to asking what's the recommended > > standard configuration setup for a blank canvas. Or asking > > whether you should use acrylics, watercolors, oils, chalk, > > pastels, broad strokes, fine strokes, etc. There is no > > recommended standard. Some people have already responded > > that they like to loop an effected sound and others like to > > post-process their loops. Some do it both ways . > > > > > > > > At 12:46 PM 2002/07/11 -0500, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > > >Second, learning the best way to incorporate the EDP within > > the overall > > >mixing scheme such as applying effects before the loop (do > > we cut off > > >reverb tails?) or after when we only have a single effects unit. > > > > > >Third, when you see all the commands in the EDP manual such as > > >Quantize=On or RoundMode=Off and everyone on the loopers > > list refers to > > >these functions as if they were able to change them on the fly (I > > >assume with midi commands), the amount of possible button presses to > > >accomlish many different things begins to greatly exceed the > > standard > > >EFC buttons of "Record" "Overdub" "Multiply" "Insert" "Mute" > > "Undo" and > > >"Next Loop". I know a lot of people here use the EDP for different > > >things, but if these large number of various functions are > > meant to be > > >static, I have yet to see any recommendations as to standard > > >recommended setups, assuming that is possible. Are there any > > >recommended standard configuration setups for the EDP? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 15:18:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14313; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:17:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:17:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2DD8DA.68286B03@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:13:30 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? References: <001901c2290a$b7550790$420e88cf@stevespc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeez, I'm getting clumsy - that was a premature send. Um, take two: "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: > Sean I am fully aware that the EDP could be configured ad-infinitum, I > was only wondering if there were some guidelines somewhere that I might > use to set up my EDP initially. http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/2001.html http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/tg.html I specifically designed these pages to reflect different applications for the Echoplex using certain combinations of functions and parameter setttings. Certain types of combinations are more effective for different types of approaches. Matthias also has an excellent EDP tutorial written: http://loopers-delight.com/tips/Plhints.html Lots of great technical and conceptual ideas, especially for a newcomer looking for a way to get their feet wet. > As for the pre/post or the before EDP after EDP effects question, I have > seen the posts how some have used one or the other, but not necessarily > a great amount as to why you would want it one way or the other. A few quick thoughts: (Potential) advantages to effects before the EDP: - Textural variety of sounds which occur within a single loop - Get more milage out of your effects by using different effects/settings for each different overdub - Use effects to put each new element in a different textural/frequency spot, so that the overall content of the loop is less congested. Reasons to effect after the EDP: - Turn what would be a static EDP loop into an evolving texture by tweaking it with processing - Turn the mono EDP into a stereo signal via pitch modulation, delay, reverb, etc. - Effects like reverb, delay, etc. can decay longer than the length of the loop - You're not stuck with the effect you used when you recorded it into the EDP Vis a vis these ideas, putting mono effects (stomp boxes and such) before the EDP, and stereo effects after the box, is a nice approach... And after trying this, then you can read about why I stopped using effects altogether: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/muso.html#effects Anyway, hope that helps for starters. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 15:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14513; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:20:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:20:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:19:55 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: live or memorex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04ec01c2290f$f06f9d10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020711061104.40672.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020711001553.03263a30@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the stock market thinks it's 1987... > wow, I just had to go check the calendar....it is 2002! whew! I was worried > I had left the way-back machine turned on and had slipped back to 1987. > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 15:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14949; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:27:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3D2DDB89.F5B65DAF@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:24:57 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? References: <200207111907.PAA13624@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <6_1SSB.A.8oD.SwdL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that starting with the factory presets is probably your best bet. Matthias & Kim seem to be the kind of guys who would have thought of the beginning user, and made it easy to start out without having to re-configure a bunch of presets. Once you delve in to it, you'll get a better idea of what different parameters do. My advice is to try to go through them one at a time and see what each one does. This is a lot easier with Loop3 than with Loop4, BTW. -Hans > If the defaults of the EDP are in fact those that are in > effect if you reset the system back to factory defaults, then I can > live with that and use that as my starting point. > > M. Steven Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 15:31:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15330; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:30:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:30:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020711123014.030b2648@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:31:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: live or memorex In-Reply-To: <04ec01c2290f$f06f9d10$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <20020711061104.40672.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020711001553.03263a30@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks, I don't need any more reminders about that. why else do you think I was trying to get the way-back machine working? kim At 12:19 PM 7/11/2002, jim palmer wrote: >the stock market thinks it's 1987... > > > wow, I just had to go check the calendar....it is 2002! whew! I was > worried > > I had left the way-back machine turned on and had slipped back to 1987. > > > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 15:35:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15177; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:29:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:29:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:30:29 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: mam warp nine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D2DDCD5.4DA6F24B@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IweMjB+ZBR582TS0/K2jOw)" X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_IweMjB+ZBR582TS0/K2jOw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have a warp 9 and wrote a short review: http://waltzer.crosswinds.net/egw/equipment/warp9.htm I haven't tried it with guitar. You can email me if you have any questions. one less than none wrote: > any good ????i want to use it for well filtering obviouslyi am a > guitarist interesed in creating sythn textures [like a lot of poepl on > this list :)]your feedback is welcome David > Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk --Boundary_(ID_IweMjB+ZBR582TS0/K2jOw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have a warp 9 and wrote a short review:

 http://waltzer.crosswinds.net/egw/equipment/warp9.htm

I haven't tried it with guitar.
You can email me if you have any questions.

one less than none wrote:

any good ????i want to use it for well filtering obviouslyi am a guitarist interesed in creating sythn textures [like a lot of poepl on this list :)]your feedback is welcome David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk
--Boundary_(ID_IweMjB+ZBR582TS0/K2jOw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 15:49:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16679; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:48:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 19:48:11.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[E392EE90:01C22913] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Dave, I agree wholeheartedly with your take on it - results vs. means.

BTW, I'm doing a panel on Aug.1st with DJ Spooky at the New Forms Festival in Vancouver.  http://www.newformsfestival.com/  No doubt this subject will come up in some form.  I look forward to his show, as it's been a few years since last seeing/hearing him. Thanks for the tip on the CD too!

Terry

www.anomalousdisturbances.com

>From: Dave Trenkel
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"
>Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:55:52 -0700
>
>>
>>With the caveat that the last time I saw DJ Spooky perform live, he
>>had a
>>number of instruments with him (including an electric upright
>>bass), and
>>*played them live*. Yes, he sampled himself and then mangled them,
>>worked
>>them into samples, and spent much of the performance working with
>>other
>>peoples' sounds, but it's not quite accurate to say he only
>>reassembles
>>others' sounds.
>>
>By coincidence, I just got the new DJ Spooky CD, "Optometry", this
>week, and have been listening to it quite a lot. It's a
>collaboration
>with a number of excellent NYC avant jazz types: Matthew Shipp
>(piano), William Parker (bass), Joe McPhee (sax), Guillermo Brown
>(drums). Spooky is credited with laptop, kalimba, turntables, and
>upright bass. Amazing record, there's obviously looping and
>sampling,
>but lots of live playing as well. And the liner notes talk a lot
>about the meaning of "jazz" in the current culture. It's part of
>Thirsty Ear's Blue series discs, curated, I believe, by Matthew
>Shipp, and this has been one of the most interesting series of
>improvised music discs in recent memory.
>
>As far as the live/memorex thing goes, I have this argument all the
>time with friends of mine. Surprisingly, the people who are often
>the
>most adamant about the looping/turntables/sampling/etc front not
>being music are non-musicians, but people who consider themselves
>"informed" listeners, fans, etc. Most musicians I know are fairly
>open to the concept, at least those under 50 or so.
>
>My personal feeling is this: I listen to the results, not the means.
>If I hear something that kicks my ass musically, I don't care that
>much whether it was made by someone who has studied the saxophone
>for
>60 years, or someone messing around with a turntable for the first
>time. Of course, I have a lot of respect for anyone who has mastered
>an instrument, but mastery is not necessarily related to musicality.
>I have heard plenty of extremely capable instrumentalists who bore
>me
>to tears. I've also heard my fair share of inept amateur
>performances, naivete does not automatically equal inspiration
>either.
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 15:58:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17408; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:57:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:57:19 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <055201c22915$2a0296e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <8ECB4527-8F1B-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com been thinking about this thread a bit and i'm going to go out on a limb. creeeaaaaak... just thinking out loud. what if we organise a group to license the source from ivl (money to come from donations) which license we then give to aurisis and they either opensource a version with a linkable object for the pitch shift algorithms and such or support the software and merge it with Loop? of course i'm happy to volunteer matthias and kim for this... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 16:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20315; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:06:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:06:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c22916$567f5540$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <8ECB4527-8F1B-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <055201c22915$2a0296e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:05:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IMO- we would get sued- they wouldn't license it to you so you could open source it after! I'm sure the lic agreement would have plenty of blurbage to cover this kind of thing- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition > been thinking about this thread a bit and i'm going to go out on a limb. > creeeaaaaak... > > just thinking out loud. > > what if we organise a group to license the source from ivl > (money to come from donations) which license we then give to aurisis and they > either opensource a version with a linkable object for the pitch shift algorithms and such > or support the software and merge it with Loop? > > of course i'm happy to volunteer matthias and kim for this... > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 16:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20788; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:10:37 +0200 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <055201c22915$2a0296e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <43BB553A-950A-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 09:57 PM, jim palmer wrote: > what if we organise a group to license the source from ivl > (money to come from donations) which license we then give to aurisis > and they > either opensource a version with a linkable object for the pitch shift > algorithms and such > or support the software and merge it with Loop? YES!!! Offer them money..... how could they refuse? The only problem is that there is a lot of IVL proprietary stuff in there (pitch shift etc)... but maybe if we offer to purchase a stripped down version of the code? Just the base.... so that the masters can adapt it to suit our needs... Talking of which.... > of course i'm happy to volunteer matthias and kim for this... I can think of nobody else who is as qualified, respected and able as these two. I'm pretty skint, but I would be quite happy to ebay one (or both) of my kidneys to see this happen! Anyone else? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 16:29:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22371; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:27:26 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <058301c22919$5f3141a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <8ECB4527-8F1B-11D6-B7E9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <055201c22915$2a0296e0$080210ac@jpalmer> <00c801c22916$567f5540$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3zMKdC.A.vcF.woeL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm sorry, i was speaking programmer speak. a linkable object is not source code. it's a compiled object which is linked to a project at compile time. maybe opensource doesn't allow for linkable objects, i don't know... ivl may have a problem with allowing distribution of such a linkable object, but it seems unlikely that it could be used for anything but the repeater. what is the processor(s) in the repeater? it seems like it would be worth it to ivl to avoid a lot of hate mail from abandoned repeater users... > IMO- we would get sued- they wouldn't license it to you so you could open > source it after! I'm sure the lic agreement would have plenty of blurbage to > cover this kind of thing- > > Cliff > > > been thinking about this thread a bit and i'm going to go out on a limb. > > creeeaaaaak... > > > > just thinking out loud. > > > > what if we organise a group to license the source from ivl > > (money to come from donations) which license we then give to aurisis and > they > > either opensource a version with a linkable object for the pitch shift > algorithms and such > > or support the software and merge it with Loop? > > > > of course i'm happy to volunteer matthias and kim for this... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 16:38:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22944; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:37:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:37:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:36:55 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <059101c2291a$b252bb10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <43BB553A-950A-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > YES!!! Offer them money..... how could they refuse? The only problem is > that there is a lot of IVL proprietary stuff in there (pitch shift > etc)... but maybe if we offer to purchase a stripped down version of the > code? Just the base.... so that the masters can adapt it to suit our > needs... Talking of which.... > i think it would be quite difficult to strip the pitch shifting from the os. time stretch and midi synch are definitely using it and would have to be completely redone. of course creating an opensource version would also be difficult. of course, aurisis will simply take over supporting the repeater. so it's settled. i hereby declare it to be so. that is all. > > of course i'm happy to volunteer matthias and kim for this... > > I can think of nobody else who is as qualified, respected and able as > these two. agreed. > > I'm pretty skint, but I would be quite happy to ebay one (or both) of my > kidneys to see this happen! > > Anyone else? no kidneys, but i would not have suggested it if i weren't willing to kick in... maybe i'll buy one of yours! what do they taste like? > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 16:50:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23563; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:49:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:49:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <43BB553A-950A-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <059101c2291a$b252bb10$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:48:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 20:48:22.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B626D40:01C2291C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm >still< waiting for Repeat II Hasn't it been ages? I mean, come on. Is Aurisis going to be working on it forever? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition > > > > YES!!! Offer them money..... how could they refuse? The only problem is > > that there is a lot of IVL proprietary stuff in there (pitch shift > > etc)... but maybe if we offer to purchase a stripped down version of the > > code? Just the base.... so that the masters can adapt it to suit our > > needs... Talking of which.... > > > > i think it would be quite difficult to strip the pitch shifting from the os. > time stretch and midi synch are definitely using it and would have to be > completely redone. > > of course creating an opensource version would also be difficult. > of course, aurisis will simply take over supporting the repeater. > so it's settled. i hereby declare it to be so. > that is all. > > > > of course i'm happy to volunteer matthias and kim for this... > > > > I can think of nobody else who is as qualified, respected and able as > > these two. > > agreed. > > > > > > I'm pretty skint, but I would be quite happy to ebay one (or both) of my > > kidneys to see this happen! > > > > Anyone else? > > no kidneys, but i would not have suggested it if i weren't willing to kick in... > maybe i'll buy one of yours! what do they taste like? > > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > > http://www.solostring.com > > stuart@solostring.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 17:03:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25382; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:02:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:02:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:01:25 +0200 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <059101c2291a$b252bb10$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <5CEB8AC0-9511-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i think it would be quite difficult to strip the pitch shifting from > the os. > time stretch and midi synch are definitely using it and would have to be > completely redone. Ah yes... I did not think about that :( > > of course creating an opensource version would also be difficult. > of course, aurisis will simply take over supporting the repeater. > so it's settled. i hereby declare it to be so. > that is all. Then forget about open source.... try and persuade certain people (hint hint) to purchase the code (with a little financial help from the Repeater users). The code will still be 'top secret', but licensed to a third party. >> I'm pretty skint, but I would be quite happy to ebay one (or both) of >> my >> kidneys to see this happen! > > no kidneys, but i would not have suggested it if i weren't willing to > kick in... > maybe i'll buy one of yours! what do they taste like? Somehow, I keep getting flashbacks of 'The Silence of the Lambs'.... :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 17:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26159; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:15:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2DF551.C29767AB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:14:57 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition References: <43BB553A-950A-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this is moot, as Electrix/IVL had made perfectly clear that they don't care. If they felt future Repeater OSs would be worth the work (as in make a profit) they'd be doing it themselves. I'm sure they must have done some work on an update (v. 1.2?) and won't even sell/finish that. Believe me, it hurts me as much as any of you to know that this is the end of the line for the Repeater. On the other hand, it's a damn useful device as it is, so my advise would be to get used to it. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 17:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27558; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:43:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <43BB553A-950A-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3D2DF551.C29767AB@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:42:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 21:42:51.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7EA4780:01C22923] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It wouldn't hurt to find out, though. It also wouldn't hurt to ask other repeater users if they would like to join the petition. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition > All this is moot, as Electrix/IVL had made perfectly clear that they don't > care. If they felt future Repeater OSs would be worth the work (as in make > a profit) they'd be doing it themselves. I'm sure they must have done some > work on an update (v. 1.2?) and won't even sell/finish that. > > Believe me, it hurts me as much as any of you to know that this is the end > of the line for the Repeater. On the other hand, it's a damn useful device > as it is, so my advise would be to get used to it. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 17:49:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27855; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:46:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:46:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:46:28 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <05cc01c22924$697a0100$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <43BB553A-950A-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3D2DF551.C29767AB@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we might as well stop breathing now. it's inevitable after all... > All this is moot, as Electrix/IVL had made perfectly clear that they don't > care. If they felt future Repeater OSs would be worth the work (as in make > a profit) they'd be doing it themselves. I'm sure they must have done some > work on an update (v. 1.2?) and won't even sell/finish that. > > Believe me, it hurts me as much as any of you to know that this is the end > of the line for the Repeater. On the other hand, it's a damn useful device > as it is, so my advise would be to get used to it. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 17:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27987; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:47:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:47:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2DFC49.AD7B674D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:44:41 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition References: <5CEB8AC0-9511-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Total luddite non-programmer commentary here: I've seen the idea of Aurisis taking over Repeater development mentioned in a few different places, and to me it seems like a pretty dubious proposition, if only for one main reason: The EDP is a very different beast than the Repeater. For one thing, the hardware of the Echoplex, and the user interface, is very much linked to the software inside - even the dozens of DirectMIDI commands in LoopIV are essentially more immedate and flexible versions of functions which originate from various front panel/EFC-7 button presses. So it's not as if the Loop code could just be ported into a completely different hardware chassis and have all of its architecture accessible in a reasonable manner. Another important consideration is that the Repeater and the EDP have very different design angles and philosophies. They're coming from different points of view about what would be interesting or important to have a looper do. A very large part of what makes the EDP so intuitive and "playable" has to do with the tremendous depth with which Kim and Matthias have pursued their core concepts about the unit, and an awful lot of time has been spent working out very minute details, many of which don't necessarily reveal themselves to users until after months or even years of use. As Matthias mentioned a couple of days ago, it would be possible to have four simultaneous loops in the EDP without feedback or volume control, but that's not a direction he wanted to pursue. And as Kim has mentioned many, many times, the EDP was designed principally as a real=time audio-editing performance tool, with the idea that loops could be evolved, edited, and otherwise "played" on the fly, with the emphasis on flexibility and user choice. So a lot of what makes the Repeater what it is (loop storage, multiple tracks, a more "recorder" - based paradigm, pitch-shifting, etc.) have very little to do with where the EDP is coming from. There are a lot of things I think are very cool about the Repeater, but I'd much rather see Kim and Matthias (and Claude Voit and Andy Butler and Chris Muir and the rest of the Aurisis extended family, for that matter) put their amazing creativity and resources into further developing their own very distinctive and unique vision, rather than trying to tack their ideas onto a completely different piece of gear that was designed largely with different types of applications in mind. Anyway... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 17:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28719; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2DFD7A.19E6073B@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:49:46 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition References: <43BB553A-950A-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3D2DF551.C29767AB@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6hy5YD.A.F-G.y4fL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Mark, > I'm sure they must have done some > work on an update (v. 1.2?) and won't even sell/finish that. Question for you: If there were (hypothetically speaking) some sort of pre-beta version of 1.2 floating around somewhere, which was very buggy and essentially unusable in any remotely consistent manner, would you really be eager to pay money for it and stick it into your Repeater? I've heard a few people complain about this with regards to Bob Sellon's Jamman upgrade - lots of extremely cool features, but unpredictable and buggy enough that they don't feel comfortable using it on a regular basis. With all of the complaints that people have had regarding the 1.0 software (and even some aspects of 1.1), I have a hard time believing that the Repeater users in general would be happy buying and trying to use a pre-beta software version, a la the mythical 1.2. But please fill me in if I'm missing something (always a definite possibility!) --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 18:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30379; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:03:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:03:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:02:33 +0200 Subject: Repeater/EDP swap? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <05cc01c22924$697a0100$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been thinking for a few days now.... and I'll take the plunge and ask.... Are there any loopers in Europe (relatively close to France) who would be interested in swapping their EDP with LoopIV for my Repeater? I love the Repeater, but taking into account how I perform (totally live), I believe that it is not the correct unit for me. Without any further OS upgrades or equipment purchases (i.e. an EDP - which is impossible given my finances at the moment), I fear that the Repeater will be wasted on me. My unit is 2 months old, as new and includes a 32Meg Simpletech card. I would only be interested in swapping 'in person'... so that we can both see each unit and agree on the deal face-to-face. I can either travel to you via bus/train (if you can put me up on your floor for a night or so)... or if anyone fancies a night or two in Paris, I can also do the same (I have a spare futon). If anyone is interested, or if anyone knows anyone who might be interested, then please feel free to email me off-list. Thanks! :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 18:07:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30545; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:05:17 +0200 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D2DFD7A.19E6073B@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <48840CC5-951A-11D6-B50F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <3gdcqB.A.1cH.8EgL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 11:49 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Question for you: If there were (hypothetically speaking) some sort of > pre-beta version of 1.2 floating around somewhere, which was very buggy > and essentially unusable in any remotely consistent manner, would you > really be eager to pay money for it and stick it into your Repeater? I doubt if OS1.2 ever existed. Electrix, from what I can gather, has been having hard times for quite a while, and it would not surprise me if all development of the OS stopped at 1.1 Its such a shame.... so much potential flushed down the toilet.... -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 18:16:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30864; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:15:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:15:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:15:36 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c22928$7b52a680$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711104902.01f8a200@mail.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am still trying to understand some of the inner workings of the EDP. First, is there a midi commands list somewhere for the EDP (Loop III)? On page 44 & 45 of the Loop IV addendum are midi commands but I am not sure how I could use that information to program my footpedal to control these things? For example what is meant by "source# offset"? And, where does the Note value fit into the programming scheme? Finally, is it recommended that all of these functions be programmed for use by a foot controller and if so, which ones would most likely be used during a performance? Thanks, M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:54 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? > > > These questions are akin to asking what's the recommended > standard configuration setup for a blank canvas. Or asking > whether you should use acrylics, watercolors, oils, chalk, > pastels, broad strokes, fine strokes, etc. There is no > recommended standard. Some people have already responded > that they like to loop an effected sound and others like to > post-process their loops. Some do it both ways . > > > > At 12:46 PM 2002/07/11 -0500, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > >Second, learning the best way to incorporate the EDP within > the overall > >mixing scheme such as applying effects before the loop (do > we cut off > >reverb tails?) or after when we only have a single effects unit. > > > >Third, when you see all the commands in the EDP manual such as > >Quantize=On or RoundMode=Off and everyone on the loopers > list refers to > >these functions as if they were able to change them on the fly (I > >assume with midi commands), the amount of possible button presses to > >accomlish many different things begins to greatly exceed the > standard > >EFC buttons of "Record" "Overdub" "Multiply" "Insert" "Mute" > "Undo" and > >"Next Loop". I know a lot of people here use the EDP for different > >things, but if these large number of various functions are > meant to be > >static, I have yet to see any recommendations as to standard > >recommended setups, assuming that is possible. Are there any > >recommended standard configuration setups for the EDP? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 18:20:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31128; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:18:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:18:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c22928$e5461040$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D2DD8DA.68286B03@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Andre, this is a tremendous help. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? > > > Jeez, I'm getting clumsy - that was a premature send. Um, take two: > > "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: > > > Sean I am fully aware that the EDP could be configured > ad-infinitum, I > > was only wondering if there were some guidelines somewhere that I > > might use to set up my EDP initially. > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/2001.html > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/tg.html > > I specifically designed these pages to reflect different > applications for the Echoplex using certain combinations of > functions and parameter setttings. Certain types of > combinations are more effective for different types of approaches. > > Matthias also has an excellent EDP tutorial written: > > http://loopers-delight.com/tips/Plhints.html > > Lots of great technical and conceptual ideas, especially for > a newcomer looking for a way to get their feet wet. > > > As for the pre/post or the before EDP after EDP effects question, I > > have seen the posts how some have used one or the other, but not > > necessarily a great amount as to why you would want it one > way or the other. > > A few quick thoughts: > > (Potential) advantages to effects before the EDP: > > - Textural variety of sounds which occur within a single loop > > - Get more milage out of your effects by using different > effects/settings for each different overdub > > - Use effects to put each new element in a different > textural/frequency spot, so that the overall content of the > loop is less congested. > > Reasons to effect after the EDP: > > - Turn what would be a static EDP loop into an evolving > texture by tweaking it with processing > > - Turn the mono EDP into a stereo signal via pitch > modulation, delay, reverb, etc. > > - Effects like reverb, delay, etc. can decay longer than the > length of the loop > > - You're not stuck with the effect you used when you recorded > it into the EDP > > Vis a vis these ideas, putting mono effects (stomp boxes and > such) before the EDP, and stereo effects after the box, is a > nice approach... > > And after trying this, then you can read about why I stopped > using effects altogether: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/muso.html#effects Anyway, hope that helps for starters. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 18:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31469; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:24:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016801c22929$9959eac0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Latest Electrix OS info QUOTE Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:23:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0165_01C228EE.E9A494C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1rbru.A.SrH.1VgL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0165_01C228EE.E9A494C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From Lisa on the Electrix forum on 7-3-02: First, I would like to thank those of you that have supported Electrix = through it's short but wonderful existence. Your support and well-wishes = are much appreciated.=20 Second, I want to assure all of you that we will continue to honour all = warranty repairs and will do our best to answer tech questions. The tech = position has been empty for some time for reasons other than the = discontinuation of the line. I apologize for the delay in response. If = you have a specific question it is best to email us directly. This forum = is intended as a way for users to speak with each other.=20 Third, we cannot release the entire code, there is a lot of proprietary = information contained in the software. We will however work on releasing = bits of it, particularly the file format stuff.=20 And last, we will happily maintain this forum if it is used as a way for = you guys to work with each other. It is for the exchange of ideas and = common interests. If it is just being used as a way to complain about us = and say "I told you so" then it no longer serves the purpose for which = it is intended.=20 Nobody wanted this to happen, guys. It was unavoidable and out of our = hands. You can speculate the reasons all you want but I would appreciate = it if you didn't use our forum for the speculation.=20 Best to all, Lisa End Quote http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0165_01C228EE.E9A494C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From Lisa on the Electrix forum on = 7-3-02:
 
First, I would like to thank = those of you=20 that have supported Electrix through it's short but wonderful existence. = Your=20 support and well-wishes are much appreciated.

Second, I want to assure all of you that we will continue to honour = all=20 warranty repairs and will do our best to answer tech questions. The tech = position has been empty for some time for reasons other than the = discontinuation=20 of the line. I apologize for the delay in response. If you have a = specific=20 question it is best to email us directly. This forum is intended as a = way for=20 users to speak with each other.=20

Third, we cannot release the entire code, there is a lot of = proprietary=20 information contained in the software. We will however work on releasing = bits of=20 it, particularly the file format stuff.=20

And last, we will happily maintain this forum if it is used as a way = for you=20 guys to work with each other. It is for the exchange of ideas and common = interests. If it is just being used as a way to complain about us and = say "I=20 told you so" then it no longer serves the purpose for which it is = intended.=20

Nobody wanted this to happen, guys. It was unavoidable and out of our = hands.=20 You can speculate the reasons all you want but I would appreciate it if = you=20 didn't use our forum for the speculation.=20

Best to all,
Lisa

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http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0165_01C228EE.E9A494C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 18:35:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31799; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:29:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:29:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020711222914.77370.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <058301c22919$5f3141a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jim palmer wrote: > it seems like it would be worth it to ivl to avoid a lot of hate mail > from abandoned repeater users... Mail is as easy to deal with as reaching for the key. That's no problem. If I were in IVL's shoes right now, I'd probably be shopping the Repeater's technology around to see if another company will buy it, complete. If they're doing that, they aren't going to release anything about it before they're absolutely certain that nobody on Earth will pay money for it. An alternatively thought would be that they would hold the intellectual property for use in other products. Who knows? It's infrequent that someone actually gives something away in today's world, even if they aren't going to use it themselves. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 18:58:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00542; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:56:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:55:42 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <05ee01c2292e$15a78610$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020711222914.77370.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i never suggested they give it away. if they are already seeking a buyer then they are doing all we can ask. otherwise, it is reasonable to expect them to do what they can to avoid screwing their own customers. my whole point was to find a way to finish the repeater os without them throwing their proprietary tech to the winds. isn't the prospect of a four channel edp with time stretch, pitch-shift, digital i/o, card-memory, and an easily updatable os appealing in the least? ring a bell and i'll salivate... (i admit i'm suprised kim hasn't already posted about what a stupid idea this is) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 19:04:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02085; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:03:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <3D2DAD49.D011DE52@bagend.com> Subject: Re: Human drummer:oxymoron? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:03:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 23:02:06.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAA0ECC0:01C2292E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's three ideas for ways to free up some tracks if you're using an audio beat sync input. 1)Lets say you've set up the sync input on the left channel, and stereo synced 1/2 and 3/4. Then 1 and 3 are throwaways and are muted. After you've got a loop on 2 and 4, then try this: un-stereo-sync 3/4 and erase the sound on track 3. Then resample track 2 onto track three and you can record over the 1/2 pair again. on long loops bouncing like this can be a pain:( 2)Only stereo sync 1/2 and when you get a loop you like, resample 2 onto 3 or 4 to free up your 1/2 pair again. 3)Slightly more slick but untested by me, though I think it should work. Set up your repeater to use the stereo effects sends as described in the manual. Now use a patch cable to patch from right send directly to right return. Leave nothing in the left send or return jacks. Now try engaging the pre-loop effects send and record in mono onto one track. If this one works, you aught to be able to get 4 tracks without using a scratch setup - let us all know how you go! Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Heine" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Human drummer:oxymoron? Jon and group: I have worked with this setup a bit now, and gotten the Repeater to sync satisfactorily with a mic on the kik drum. My drummer thinks I may have even better results by micing the hi-hat. The repeater does quite well interpeting syncopated beats to bpm. PLEASE, how can I setup the Repeater to get 3 tracks, per the post below. Has anyone tried the RedSound Micro Sync? thanks in advance for the help. -henry Jon Wagner wrote: > > >Does anyone have experience setting up the Repeater to chase a human > >drummer? > > I'm a human drummer. The repeater chases me. Now if it can catch me is the > question :) > > I've had very good luck with the beat detect on the repeater. My only gripe > is that the only way it can beat detect, is from its audio source. So if > you don't want to loop the beat detect source too, you're in for a little > gymnastics. You'll need to use the left input for the beat detect source > signal, and the right input for your bass. Then stereo lock the tracks > together and mute the left track. So the repeater WILL loop the beat detect > source (your drummer) but you won't hear it because the left tracks are > muted. Congradulations, you now have only two tracks to work with. Or > three if you're fancy - I can explain how if you really want. > > Experiment with micing the drum kit. A good place to start is an SM57 on > the hi-hat, or the bass drum. While the repeater is trying to lock onto the > tempo, you can help it out by tapping the tap tempo button. Once the beat > detect led stops blinking, signaling that it found the tempo, press the > tempo-lock button and now it will only react to little variations in the > drummer's tempo - syncopations shouldn't shake it at this point. > > Let us konw how it goes! > Jon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 19:33:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03190; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:32:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:32:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2E14B7.D64F2ABD@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:28:55 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP References: <002701c22928$7b52a680$420e88cf@stevespc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again Steven, "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: > First, is there a midi commands list somewhere for the EDP (Loop III)? There is (in the LoopIII manual), but it's duplicated in the LoopIV MIDI commands list. > For example what is meant by "source# offset"? And, > where does the Note value fit into the programming scheme? They're interrelated. There's a parameter called "ControlSource" which lets you select the starting note/CC value which the MIDI commands table is based upon. The default value for this is 36. So, for instance, the default "source# offset" for Record is 2. If ControlSource is set to 36, then the MIDI note (or CC number) to engage Record would be 38 (ControlSource=36 + source# offset=2). > Finally, is it recommended that all of these functions be programmed for > use by a foot controller and if so, which ones would most likely be used > during a performance? It's a really personal issue, because so many of the DirectMIDI commands lend themselves to different types of techniques. For myself, I have different banks on my MIDI footpedal, each one of which has a different collection of DirectMIDI commands programmed into them. The best advice I would offer would be to pick a few commands that look intriguing, assign them to a MIDI controller, and experiment. You'll likely find that different commands work better, depending on your playing style. A few examples of ways to group DirectMIDI commands: -- A "sus-mania" bank with lots of different SUS-commands available (I love this one) -- A bank where the top row contains note values to select different loops, and the bottom row allows you to perform different functions within a loop (overdub, insert, multiply, etc.) so you can switch between loops quickly -- An "insert-mania" bank with lots of different Insert modes available at once (Reverse, Half-Speed, Replace, Substitute, SUS, etc.) so you can access them all at the same time without having to change the front panel Insertmode. Trial and error are the keys here - take some time and experiment to see what works best for you. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 20:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17308; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:43:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:43:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: Foot control footware (was Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:28:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D2E14B7.D64F2ABD@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6sy4pD.A.3NE.tXiL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not being facetious here at all (though it is a little funny): I find that the top row of the PMC-10 hard to use in a precise manner unless I'm barefooted. They're too close together for most shoes, and I false trigger switches on the lower row too much. I was thinking rock climbing shoes would be about as good as functionality as it would get. Any other ideas? Really sorry I can't make the Santa Cruz gathering. Very much there in spirit though :-) _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 21:31:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21453; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:29:36 -0400 From: Bill Cummings Subject: Re: Band Info & Gig Spam -- San Francisco Area To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024301c22943$96db7e70$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <005b01c22894$0ef58f00$0282c83f@kinesys1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, great work! I enjoyed listening to these cutz very much. BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: Band Info & Gig Spam -- San Francisco Area > I am finally posting some information about a relatively new live drum 'n > bass / trip hop / ambient project I am involved with in San Francisco. The > band is called "jump/cut" and we make some use of looping and real-time > sampling ... and ample use of effects. The instrumentation is bass, midi > synth guitar, drums, and turntablist. > > I play mostly fretless 5-string bass and electric upright bass ... and use > an EDP and Electrix Mo-FX in my rack along with extensive pedalboard set-up > (Lovetone Meatball, Line 6 MM4 & DL4, Akai Headrush, EBS Octabass, EH Bass > Synth, Moogerfooger Ring Mod, Pearl Phaser) > > You can check us out on the Web at: > http://www.jumpcut.net > > We are looking to work with interactive video/multimedia artists at our > shows ... if you know of anyone who may be interested, send them our way. > Also, we like to have guest players at rehearsals and gigs (if space > permits), so if you are interested in sitting in with us sometime, shoot me > an e-mail. > > > Upcoming gigs: > > August 8, 2002 > @ Cloud 9 Hotel > 34 7th Street > (7th @ Market) > San Francisco, CA > 415.355.9991 > 9p - 12a > > August 16, 2002 > @ Jupiter > 2181 Shattuck Ave > Berkeley, CA > 510.843.8277 > 8p - 11p > > August 26, 2002 > @ 26 Mix > 3024 Mission St > San Francisco, CA > 415.826.7378 > 9p - 12a > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 21:57:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22725; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:57:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:57:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711184707.00b183e0@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: hlindauer@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:56:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: SPAM: armatronix sounds on-line Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, IUMA finally approved my site, so I now have exactly one tune available on-line. It features extensive overuse of the new Loop4 halfspeed function. Please check it out: http://armatronix.iuma.com More to come very soon! -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 22:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24407; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:04:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2E3866.6F0F2400@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:01:09 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SPAM: armatronix sounds on-line References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711184707.00b183e0@pop.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1ELmVC.A.F9F.ekjL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool, Hans. Now the important question: What do I have to do to get you to wear that jacket onstage? ;) --Dre Hans Lindauer wrote: > > Dear Loopers, > > IUMA finally approved my site, so I now have exactly one tune available > on-line. It features extensive overuse of the new Loop4 halfspeed > function. Please check it out: > > http://armatronix.iuma.com > > More to come very soon! > > -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 22:57:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26493; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:56:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:56:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711195503.00b60af0@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:55:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: SPAM: armatronix sounds on-line In-Reply-To: <3D2E3866.6F0F2400@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711184707.00b183e0@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I need matching pants. -Hans At 19:01 11/07/2002, you wrote: >Very cool, Hans. Now the important question: > >What do I have to do to get you to wear that jacket onstage? > >;) > >--Dre > >Hans Lindauer wrote: > > > > Dear Loopers, > > > > IUMA finally approved my site, so I now have exactly one tune available > > on-line. It features extensive overuse of the new Loop4 halfspeed > > function. Please check it out: > > > > http://armatronix.iuma.com > > > > More to come very soon! > > > > -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 23:11:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28755; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:10:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:10:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:10:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D2DFC49.AD7B674D@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I couldn't agree more. The people who should be working on the next Repeater OS (or even a more bug free version of the current one!) should be the people who conceived the beast in the first place. Mark On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 02:44 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > > There are a lot of things I think are very cool about the Repeater, but > I'd much rather see Kim and Matthias (and Claude Voit and Andy Butler > and Chris Muir and the rest of the Aurisis extended family, for that > matter) put their amazing creativity and resources into further > developing their own very distinctive and unique vision, rather than > trying to tack their ideas onto a completely different piece of gear > that was designed largely with different types of applications in mind. > > Anyway... > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 23:12:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28896; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:11:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:11:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <05cc01c22924$697a0100$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <089BF57D-9545-11D6-B4B3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <3enIvB.A.BCH.XjkL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, and you people are preventing me from getting choice parking spaces. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 02:46 PM, jim palmer wrote: > we might as well stop breathing now. > it's inevitable after all... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 23:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30196; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:30:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:30:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:29:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D2DFD7A.19E6073B@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <9BCBD23A-9547-11D6-B4B3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, what I conceder a tenth place up-grade is a bug fix. Maybe add a few features at .5, if they're *ready*. I'm actually (as I've said) mostly happy about the Repeater and how it works. The problem is, it doesn't work as it's spec'd to. (I'll mostly harp on the MIDI clock out) This is why I'm pretty comfortable in being angry at Electrix for selling me something that didn't totally work as described, with the promise that it would be fixed in the future. Perhaps a petition isn't in order, but a class action suit. Sue IVL for not providing a 100% working version of the Repeater. Sue for punitive damages. Can I sue you? For punitive damages? Sorry, slipped into a Jerky Boys phone call. I really think things are far past the point where asking really nicely would get us anywhere. Soooooo, to answer your question, I couldn't imagine a 1.2 OS to be worse than the 1.1 (though it's a possibility, I agree) but if they had a beta of a 2.0 that had more features, but was unreliable, I would not use it. At this point, I probably would pay a bit for the bug fix, but I don't think I should have to. I would probably pay a few hundred for an upgrade that had a few of my big "wish list" items on it that was stable. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 02:49 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Yo Mark, > >> I'm sure they must have done some >> work on an update (v. 1.2?) and won't even sell/finish that. > > Question for you: If there were (hypothetically speaking) some sort of > pre-beta version of 1.2 floating around somewhere, which was very buggy > and essentially unusable in any remotely consistent manner, would you > really be eager to pay money for it and stick it into your Repeater? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 23:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02709; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:46:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:46:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:45:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Band Info & Gig Spam -- San Francisco Area Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <024301c22943$96db7e70$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <9-j-WB.A.mp.jDlL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW. Really impressive! I will endeavor to make it to these shows! It's interesting to see that you, Jon (Serendipity) and I are all playing 26mix. It's becoming a haven for loopers. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 06:29 PM, Bill Cummings wrote: > Doug, > great work! I enjoyed listening to these cutz very much. > BC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Lawrence" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:33 AM > Subject: Band Info & Gig Spam -- San Francisco Area > > >> I am finally posting some information about a relatively new live >> drum 'n >> bass / trip hop / ambient project I am involved with in San Francisco. >> The >> band is called "jump/cut" and we make some use of looping and real-time >> sampling ... and ample use of effects. The instrumentation is bass, >> midi >> synth guitar, drums, and turntablist. >> >> I play mostly fretless 5-string bass and electric upright bass ... and >> use >> an EDP and Electrix Mo-FX in my rack along with extensive pedalboard > set-up >> (Lovetone Meatball, Line 6 MM4 & DL4, Akai Headrush, EBS Octabass, EH >> Bass >> Synth, Moogerfooger Ring Mod, Pearl Phaser) >> >> You can check us out on the Web at: >> http://www.jumpcut.net >> >> We are looking to work with interactive video/multimedia artists at our >> shows ... if you know of anyone who may be interested, send them our >> way. >> Also, we like to have guest players at rehearsals and gigs (if space >> permits), so if you are interested in sitting in with us sometime, >> shoot > me >> an e-mail. >> >> >> Upcoming gigs: >> >> August 8, 2002 >> @ Cloud 9 Hotel >> 34 7th Street >> (7th @ Market) >> San Francisco, CA >> 415.355.9991 >> 9p - 12a >> >> August 16, 2002 >> @ Jupiter >> 2181 Shattuck Ave >> Berkeley, CA >> 510.843.8277 >> 8p - 11p >> >> August 26, 2002 >> @ 26 Mix >> 3024 Mission St >> San Francisco, CA >> 415.826.7378 >> 9p - 12a >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 23:47:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02712; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:46:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:46:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2E50F3.3A7A90DB@iwvisp.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:45:55 -0700 From: dirt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: REQUEST FOR HELP WITH Y2K2 LOOPFEST VIDEO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greets all - IF you're going to this grand ballyhoo AND you have a camcorder you can bring, please know that an effort is underway to get this thing video taped and made into something we all can enjoy (VHS, VCD or maybe just Quicktime movies on CDR.. no DVD). So far, we have one very kind soul who will be the main person taping but she won't be able to tape the whole time, both days. OTHERS ARE NEEDED! If you can help out, please coordinate with Eileen Sundet or Rick Walker when you get there. It's a teeny, tiny, (and one would hope) crowded place so there will not be room for a whole bunch of roving camera-pointers.. BUT, you can videotape from your seats and other out-of-everybody's-way places (if there are any). The more raw footage to choose from, the better this thing will turn out. Can handle almost all consumer-grade formats - originals will be returned (or replacement paid for if you'd rather). Even better is if video info is transferred to CDR or DVD, but not necessary. Thanks all - dirt Questions? Off list: mailto:dpratt@iwvisp.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 11 23:48:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02904; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:47:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:47:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Electrix/IVL petition Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:47:54 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c22956$e78478a0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <9BCBD23A-9547-11D6-B4B3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My question would be whether or not these particular issues/bugs could be considered warranty issues that should be repaired? Since Lisa said that they will continue to honor warranty related fixes, if these things don't work (and I am not talking about features that may have been promised but not delivered) then they should be fixed. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition > > > Well, what I conceder a tenth place up-grade is a bug fix. > Maybe add a > few features at .5, if they're *ready*. I'm actually (as I've said) > mostly happy about the Repeater and how it works. The problem is, it > doesn't work as it's spec'd to. (I'll mostly harp on the MIDI clock > out) This is why I'm pretty comfortable in being angry at > Electrix for > selling me something that didn't totally work as described, with the > promise that it would be fixed in the future. Perhaps a > petition isn't > in order, but a class action suit. Sue IVL for not providing a 100% > working version of the Repeater. Sue for punitive damages. > Can I sue > you? For punitive damages? > > Sorry, slipped into a Jerky Boys phone call. > > I really think things are far past the point where asking > really nicely > would get us anywhere. > > Soooooo, to answer your question, I couldn't imagine a 1.2 OS to be > worse than the 1.1 (though it's a possibility, I agree) but > if they had > a beta of a 2.0 that had more features, but was unreliable, I > would not > use it. At this point, I probably would pay a bit for the > bug fix, but > I don't think I should have to. I would probably pay a few > hundred for > an upgrade that had a few of my big "wish list" items on it that was > stable. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 02:49 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > > > Yo Mark, > > > >> I'm sure they must have done some > >> work on an update (v. 1.2?) and won't even sell/finish that. > > > > Question for you: If there were (hypothetically speaking) > some sort of > > pre-beta version of 1.2 floating around somewhere, which was very > > buggy and essentially unusable in any remotely consistent manner, > > would you really be eager to pay money for it and stick it > into your > > Repeater? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 00:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05066; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:13:45 -0700 Subject: Re: SPAM: armatronix sounds on-line Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711184707.00b183e0@pop.charter.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <5HeT4D.A.BPB.7dlL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NICE Hans! Very interesting to hear your studio production stuff, compared to your live set at Loopstock. I like it a lot. I have one question to ask though: How the hell do you expect to get your gear set up in the 20 min time limit we have at the Santa Cruz loopfest this weekend? 10 min breakdown? That's UNPOSSIBLE! I'm going way stripped down, myself. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 06:56 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > Dear Loopers, > > IUMA finally approved my site, so I now have exactly one tune available > on-line. It features extensive overuse of the new Loop4 halfspeed > function. Please check it out: > > http://armatronix.iuma.com > > More to come very soon! > > -Hans Lindauer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 00:19:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05303; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711211541.00b22d08@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:17:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: SPAM: armatronix sounds on-line In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711184707.00b183e0@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well if it's going to be that kind of party, I guess I don't need the pants after all! -Hans >I have one question to ask though: How the hell do you expect to get your >gear set up in the 20 min time limit we have at the Santa Cruz loopfest >this weekend? 10 min breakdown? That's UNPOSSIBLE! I'm going way >stripped down, myself. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 06:56 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > >>Dear Loopers, >> >>IUMA finally approved my site, so I now have exactly one tune available >>on-line. It features extensive overuse of the new Loop4 halfspeed >>function. Please check it out: >> >>http://armatronix.iuma.com >> >>More to come very soon! >> >>-Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 01:41:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10633; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:40:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:39:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c22956$e78478a0$420e88cf@stevespc> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8TJp5.A.mlC.TumL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not going to happen but... How many current Repeater owners would pay money for a replacement OS that eliminated the pitch shifting, time stretching, etc. and left one with essentially multiple DL4-style loopers in a box with a configurable effects loop and MIDI sync? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 01:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11086; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c22935$999109e0$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <002701c22928$7b52a680$420e88cf@stevespc> <3D2E14B7.D64F2ABD@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:49:28 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andre- what board do you use to control your edp? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 01:58:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11277; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:55:28 -0700 Subject: Re: SPAM: armatronix sounds on-line From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/11/02 9:13 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > I have one question to ask though: How the hell do you expect to get > your gear set up in the 20 min time limit we have at the Santa Cruz > loopfest this weekend? 10 min breakdown? That's UNPOSSIBLE! I'm going > way stripped down, myself. I wondered the same thing. I just worked today on coming up with a smaller set up than I had at Loopstock (e.g., only one EDP instead of 2). One of the great things about the space at Loopstock was that we had enough backstage area that gear storage wasn't an issue. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 02:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11372; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:58:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:58:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:01:15 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003601c22969$88a00ad0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't own a Repeater, but that would keep me from wanting to purchase a used one ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition > Not going to happen but... > > How many current Repeater owners would pay money for a replacement OS that > eliminated the pitch shifting, time stretching, etc. and left one with > essentially multiple DL4-style loopers in a box with a configurable effects > loop and MIDI sync? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 02:04:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12864; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:02:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drum machine From: Mark Hamburg To: , "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c2288c$7075dc60$3a62f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_moblD.A.0ID.iDnL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/10/02 8:38 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > I can always tell keyboard or guitar players who program because they > overprogram almost universally: In a wierd way, I have found that the > most useful drum programs (or rhythmic 'bed' loops for that matter) are the > ones that are incredibly minimalistic and almost always only one bar or two > bars long.............this gives one much more room to layer on top > of the piece to create interest and diversity. Speaking of which, Rick, I think a number of us are still waiting for you to present your tips for would be drum machine programmers. You are understandably a little busy right now... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 02:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12940; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:52:51 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR HELP WITH Y2K2 LOOPFEST VIDEO In-reply-to: <3D2E50F3.3A7A90DB@iwvisp.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3D2E50F3.3A7A90DB@iwvisp.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6ZwVQB.A.1JD.WEnL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:45 PM -0700 7/11/02, dirt wrote: >IF you're going to this grand ballyhoo AND you have a camcorder you can >bring, please know that an effort is underway to get this thing video >taped and made into something we all can enjoy (VHS, VCD or maybe just >Quicktime movies on CDR.. no DVD). Just yesterday I was talking on the phone with one of the O.L.s (Original Loopers - actually the guy who started the two-machine accumulating delay) and he suggested that it would be interesting to make a DVD on the history and present state of looping. Sounds like a good idea, so I suggest we keep track of who has what on tape or still photo media. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 02:32:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14067; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2E764E.7DD17B9F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:25:18 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP References: <002701c22928$7b52a680$420e88cf@stevespc> <3D2E14B7.D64F2ABD@earthlink.net> <004401c22935$999109e0$04f8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Jim, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > andre- > > what board do you use to control your edp? Digitech PMC 10, scored after about three straight hours of online hunting back in April. The force was with me. --Dre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 02:39:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14405; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:37:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <9fEZ0D.A.vgD.8knL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My guess is that's impossible. From what I can tell, the Repeater is ALWAYS in some degree of time stretching. One of the beautiful things about it is if you're in MIDI synch mode, it will chase the clock (within reason) and you're loop will be nicely synched (after a little catch up if the change is fast) I think this is how it's Loop Point Assist feature works (you can't turn it off) it's just subtly stretching your loop so it fits. It's pretty damn transparent, and one of the coolest things about the Repeater. I can grab the big turntable style pitch/tempo adjust on my Roland MC-307 groovebox, and bring it up, or down, and the Repeater follows. A great effect. If I wanted Multiple DL-4 style loopers in a box, I'd just get a pair of Echoplexes. Oh damn, I forgot. I'm going to. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 10:39 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Not going to happen but... > > How many current Repeater owners would pay money for a replacement OS > that > eliminated the pitch shifting, time stretching, etc. and left one with > essentially multiple DL4-style loopers in a box with a configurable > effects > loop and MIDI sync? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 02:48:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14878; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:45:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:45:15 -0700 Subject: S.C. Loopfest Gear Security. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good point. Where can we keep our gear while we're observing? I'm paring down my rig so it will stealthfully fit in my trunk (it's a good size trunk) but what about others? What about possible break ins anyway? Here's a proposal. I can't be around on Saturday, but on Sunday, I'd planned on making "rounds" to check on my stuff. Especially after night falls. Maybe we could all take turns paroling the area, so we can keep stuff in our cars, and not worry. Call me paranoid, but I've just heard of too many people who've left stuff in their cars for a minute or so, and had come back to find a window broken and their stuff GONE. Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean people aren't out to get you. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 10:55 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 7/11/02 9:13 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> I have one question to ask though: How the hell do you expect to get >> your gear set up in the 20 min time limit we have at the Santa Cruz >> loopfest this weekend? 10 min breakdown? That's UNPOSSIBLE! I'm >> going >> way stripped down, myself. > > I wondered the same thing. I just worked today on coming up with a > smaller > set up than I had at Loopstock (e.g., only one EDP instead of 2). One > of the > great things about the space at Loopstock was that we had enough > backstage > area that gear storage wasn't an issue. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 03:25:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17938; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 03:22:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 03:22:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9D9@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:10:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11305F5A38325-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre- I'm on my way (if i can get my lovely [sweettalk never hurts when a new device isn't working the way you thought it should when you bought it] MFC10 to work with me lovely EDP) to some things that you describe below. My question lies around your statement: "A bank where the top row contains note values to select different loops". Where do these "different loops" come from? Did you just create them at that moment and your are switching between them somehow? Did you pre-load them via MIDI? This is one of the few areas (along with the fact that its the only box in my rig that's NOT stereo) that i don't have a usable mental handle on yet... Storing EDP loops and switching from loop 2 to say... loop 6 at the touch of a button. It seems the Repeater does all this fairly seamlessly, but the EDP, i haven't figured out how to do what you are talking about. But, i'm dreaming about it, so i'm HALFWAY there. ; ) cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP Hi again Steven, "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: > First, is there a midi commands list somewhere for the EDP (Loop III)? There is (in the LoopIII manual), but it's duplicated in the LoopIV MIDI commands list. > For example what is meant by "source# offset"? And, > where does the Note value fit into the programming scheme? They're interrelated. There's a parameter called "ControlSource" which lets you select the starting note/CC value which the MIDI commands table is based upon. The default value for this is 36. So, for instance, the default "source# offset" for Record is 2. If ControlSource is set to 36, then the MIDI note (or CC number) to engage Record would be 38 (ControlSource=36 + source# offset=2). > Finally, is it recommended that all of these functions be programmed for > use by a foot controller and if so, which ones would most likely be used > during a performance? It's a really personal issue, because so many of the DirectMIDI commands lend themselves to different types of techniques. For myself, I have different banks on my MIDI footpedal, each one of which has a different collection of DirectMIDI commands programmed into them. The best advice I would offer would be to pick a few commands that look intriguing, assign them to a MIDI controller, and experiment. You'll likely find that different commands work better, depending on your playing style. A few examples of ways to group DirectMIDI commands: -- A "sus-mania" bank with lots of different SUS-commands available (I love this one) -- A bank where the top row contains note values to select different loops, and the bottom row allows you to perform different functions within a loop (overdub, insert, multiply, etc.) so you can switch between loops quickly -- An "insert-mania" bank with lots of different Insert modes available at once (Reverse, Half-Speed, Replace, Substitute, SUS, etc.) so you can access them all at the same time without having to change the front panel Insertmode. Trial and error are the keys here - take some time and experiment to see what works best for you. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 04:27:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22583; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:25:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:25:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:24:39 -0700 Subject: Re: prerecorded loops From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020710184344.99222.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even without pre-recorded loops, a lot of rock music feels pre-planned to the point of lacking spontaneity live. I saw Peter Gabriel in 1987 (only the last third or so of the show) and was relatively underwhelmed. Maybe he was just tired at the end of the tour, but the concert felt so controlled that there was no give and take of energy between him and the audience. On the other hand, I also saw The Stranglers that year and they kicked ass on stage. More recently, Chris Isaak routinely puts on one of the best live shows I've seen. (No looping content, though.) Live shows have a certain level of surprise and risk to them. That's a good part of where the energy comes in. (Okay. It was really surprising when Margo Timmins had to give up on performing a new song during a Cowboy Junkies show at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz because she'd forgotten the words.) Electronic music has never been quite as friendly toward live performance. On the other hand, if Tangerine Dream's _Ricochet_ is even mostly live I really would have liked to have been at those concerts. Mostly now I seem to be either too tired or too cheap to go see shows and the bars seem to cater to a much younger crowd... Mark P.S. You can now draw conclusions about what I listen to though this list is indicative in only the most rudimentary way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 04:27:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22582; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:24:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Echoplex Demystification From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007901c2285f$af554380$d0554ed5@bigboy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Echoplex itself is pretty easy. Record and Overdub are simple. Multiply is pretty natural. Insert takes practice but you can set it up to do easier to comprehend things like reverse. Mute is simplicity itself. Undo is arguably a different matter. I don't think I'd describe Undo on the EDP as simple. Interesting and useful? Yes. Obvious in what it does? Not always. Now, where the EDP can rapidly get complicated is selecting amongst sync options, deciding whether to round or not to round, how to quantize, how to quantize switching, etc.. This stuff is intricate and what you do will depend greatly on how you want to use the unit. But for looping, it's very simple while still offering a lot of depth to explore. Mark P.S. Current configuration: Interface mode = Expert; Insert = Substitute; other parameters still getting tweaked. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 04:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22578; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:25:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:24:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drum machine From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c2288c$7075dc60$3a62f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/10/02 8:38 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > I can always tell keyboard or guitar players who program because they > overprogram almost universally: In a wierd way, I have found that the > most useful drum programs (or rhythmic 'bed' loops for that matter) are the > ones that are incredibly minimalistic and almost always only one bar or two > bars long.............this gives one much more room to layer on top > of the piece to create interest and diversity. This reminds me. One of the most effective drum machine loops I ever recorded with was probably a metronomic single hit from a Korg DDM-110. It worked perfectly with the bass line a friend was playing through my Boss RDD-10. I've long since sold the Korg (though I still have it's brother the DDM-220 Super Percussion). The RDD-10 sits waiting for me to figure out what to do with it in my setup since it overloads in a rather nice way. On the other hand, this same bass player would tend to look at me with a sort of "what? are you kidding?" look when I'd program in drum loops playing a cycle of 2 against a cycle of 3 against a cycle of 5 etc.. By the way: When people on this list talk polyrhythms, do you generally mean multiple ways of dividing a single bar of music or multiple bar lengths? I had an SR-16 for several years that I never got into programming because it's pads felt too harsh coming from a Korg DDD-1 (which sounded worse but was actually pretty nice to program). Now, I have an MC-505 that mostly leaves me feeling too annoyed to program it. It could find itself replaced with an ER-1, an EM-1, or a Machinedrum. Actually the only percussion I've actually bothered to record recently came from me playing a Handsonic through a Mo-FX into an EDP, but while I can handle basic kick/snare patterns and some amount of ornamentation, I've never quite figured out how to play a hi-hat line that pleases me. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 04:45:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24400; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:44:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:44:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:43:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9nM93B.A.68F.AbpL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My point had been, if you lost the IVL proprietary stuff would there be something interesting to do with the hardware or would people feel that without things like the pitch shifting and time stretching the machine was essentially gutted? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 05:14:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26916; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 05:13:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 05:13:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> <007f01c22842$89518990$0af8c440@g0wn7> <003201c228e1$3c172e60$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:25:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C22996.DCC00480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 09:12:17.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[385B88E0:01C22984] Resent-Message-ID: <-F-6LD.A.MkG.Q2pL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C22996.DCC00480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Afraid not, I live in Norway, we dont have TV here! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen P. Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Someone watched the interview with Bowie the other night, hm? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" sorry, it's a touchy for them and=20 if say, dj remixed song ? just to have cut it up=20 i'd be angry for that song=20 and look at this new subject i wrote!! pretty me! >sorry, it's a touchy subject for me. i'd be pretty angry if i = wrote a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have them say = >"look at this new song that i wrote" =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C22996.DCC00480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Afraid not, I live in Norway, we dont = have TV=20 here!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephen P. Goodman
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 = 3:45=20 PM
Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe = ...Re: Is it=20 "Live" or "Memorex"

Someone watched the interview with Bowie = the other=20 night, hm?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark francombe
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 = 11:02=20 AM
Subject: Burroughsesqe ...Re: = Is it=20 "Live" or "Memorex"

sorry, it's a touchy for them
and
 if  say, dj remixed song  ?
just to have cut it  up
i'd  be  angry for that song
and
look at this new subject i wrote!!
pretty me!
 
 
 
>sorry, it's a touchy subject for me.  = i'd be=20 pretty angry if i wrote a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it = just to=20 have them say >"look at this new song that i=20 wrote"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C22996.DCC00480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 05:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26970; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 05:14:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 05:14:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:12:59 +0200 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8F9242AD-9577-11D6-8D0A-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <2wusdC.A.4kG._2pL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 10:43 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > My point had been, if you lost the IVL proprietary stuff would there be > something interesting to do with the hardware or would people feel that > without things like the pitch shifting and time stretching the machine > was > essentially gutted? If we were given the hardware specs, and a basic operating system, I believe that the potential of the unit would be reached. At the moment, everything is closed source. The hardware, software, everything. If it stays like this, then there will be no futher Repeater development. Without being flamed again (maybe I was misunderstood a few weeks back?), I still believe that the Repeater has the potential to wipe the floor of the EDP... but I was just talking about the hardware specs. It has a faster processor, more controls, able to access more memory..... But comparing the Repeater to the EDP with loopIV is like comparing the original EDP (with the original software) to the Repeater. OS1.1 has a lot of quirks for live looping.... I really do hope that IVL feel generous and charitable enough to release enough information to allow the people who believe in the Repeater to continue to develop this unit. However, I have a gut feeling that IVL will just say no. :( -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 06:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31087; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:31:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:31:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 03:39:26 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: eventide orville To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e101c22990$66ec8040$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for that info. I'm searching for a good price on one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo De Angelis" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: Re: eventide orville > Hello Anthony > the ECLIPSE is a very poweful unit...5 times the processing power of an > H3000. It's the only 1 space rack unit on the market performing at > 24bit/up to 96KHz sampling rate. It has 40 seconds delay memory, > preamps, polyfuzzes, up to 8 voices delays/pitch shifters/comb > taps/ring modulators/chorus/flangers. Reverbs are AWESOME !!! > It also offer different reverbs like PLEXVERBS, using complex feedback > routings between delay lines and detuners...to get a very particular > grainy texture, quite popular among "experimenters" > (Tibbetts/Brook/Fripp/Aarset/Gunn/Kaiser)! "Normal" reverbs are simply > outstanding: I have just got back from Oslo where I spent a few days > with Jan Garbarek. We have designed reverb algorithms (and more...) , > trying to achieve the best possible sound Jan wants. Well...after many > years of touring and recording with a 480 and G-Force, Pcm70, > Pcm80...jan will start his world tour in the coming fal with his brand > new ORVILLE...leaving all those boxes home. He was simply floored by > our reverb algorithms. Eclipse verbs are better than a dsp4000 in > quality, so no mistery it sounds better than an MPX1. > You will also find dozens of other algorithms (reverse delays/reverse > shifters/etc) for any kind of processing & mangling. Gtr distortions > are very unique. > Eventide has a Support Area/Forum on the web : EVENTIDE HELPS. > Join it at:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > there you'll find lots of info/users interaction/MP3s/patches to > download/tutorial documents and more > also you can get Eclipse manuals here: > http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm > Learnig curve for Eclipse is not an issue. > > best regards > Italo De Angelis > > > > I bougth an MPX1 when it first came out and used mostly slightly tweak > ed > > presets initially. Once I rolled up my sleeves and programmed a few o > f my > > own and then linked a midi controller to "patches" I was really impres > sed. > > Its like a vortex on steriods and then some and it sounds great! (I l > oved > > my vortex, but couldn't tolerate the rolloff above 12kHz). > > > > But I'm still coveting another high quality FX box. > > > > I'm a little surprised that the MPX1 reverbs don't hold up as well, bu > t the > > Eclipse is rough 3.5 times as much $$$ for what the MPX1 is going for > these > > days. > > > > I own no Eventide stuff. How steep is the learning curve to program i > t? > > > > ___________________________________________ > Italo De Angelis > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > italo@eventide.com > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 07:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01722; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:30:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:30:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c22997$82f3a000$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <1a4.4e193b8.2a5df976@aol.com> <007f01c22842$89518990$0af8c440@g0wn7> <003201c228e1$3c172e60$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:29:19 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2299F.BE9B8FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2299F.BE9B8FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, so! Jonathan Ross ("Woss") interviewed Bowie for round 45 minutes last week = on BBC. He had the band with him, and played a few from "Heathen" - but = they fiddled with the cut-ups method he'd gotten from Burroughs. Gotta = go back and look at the tape again...! S. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Afraid not, I live in Norway, we dont have TV here! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen P. Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Someone watched the interview with Bowie the other night, hm? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Burroughsesqe ...Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" sorry, it's a touchy for them and=20 if say, dj remixed song ? just to have cut it up=20 i'd be angry for that song=20 and look at this new subject i wrote!! pretty me! >sorry, it's a touchy subject for me. i'd be pretty angry if i = wrote a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it just to have them say = >"look at this new song that i wrote" =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2299F.BE9B8FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah, so!
 
Jonathan Ross ("Woss") interviewed Bowie for = round 45=20 minutes last week on BBC.  He had the band with him, and played a = few from=20 "Heathen" - but they fiddled with the cut-ups method he'd gotten from=20 Burroughs.  Gotta go back and look at the tape = again...!
 
S.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark francombe
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 = 10:25=20 AM
Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe = ...Re: Is it=20 "Live" or "Memorex"

Afraid not, I live in Norway, we dont = have TV=20 here!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephen P. Goodman =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 = 3:45=20 PM
Subject: Re: Burroughsesqe = ...Re: Is it=20 "Live" or "Memorex"

Someone watched the interview with Bowie = the other=20 night, hm?
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 mark francombe =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 11, = 2002 11:02=20 AM
Subject: Burroughsesqe = ...Re: Is it=20 "Live" or "Memorex"

sorry, it's a touchy for them
and
 if  say, dj remixed song  ?
just to have cut it  up
i'd  be  angry for that song
and
look at this new subject i wrote!!
pretty me!
 
 
 
>sorry, it's a touchy subject for me.  = i'd be=20 pretty angry if i wrote a song and a dj cut it up and remixed it = just to=20 have them say >"look at this new song that i=20 wrote"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2299F.BE9B8FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 08:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04891; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:19:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:20:04 -0500 Message-ID: <005c01c2299e$74230960$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D2E764E.7DD17B9F@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andre, Thanks for all your help. I have the PMC10 as well and it seems it is well suited for controlling the EDP. Thanks, M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP > > > Yo Jim, > > Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > > > andre- > > > > what board do you use to control your edp? > > Digitech PMC 10, scored after about three straight hours of > online hunting back in April. The force was with me. > > --Dre > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 08:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05559; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:27:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:27:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <005e01c2299f$0d9850a0$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: eventide orville Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:25:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 12:26:50.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[660DBB30:01C2299F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got a quote for $4500 for an orville ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: RE: eventide orville > I got mine at Alto music. Excellent price and service. > > M. Steven Ginn > > ******************************** > Please go to > > Listen to the music. > Purchase the CD > Support the NY Firefighters > 9/11 Relief Fund > ******************************** > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anthony Justman [mailto:pantonio@pacbell.net] > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:39 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > > > thanks for that info. > > > > I'm searching for a good price on one. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Italo De Angelis" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:58 AM > > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > > > > Hello Anthony > > > the ECLIPSE is a very poweful unit...5 times the processing > > power of > > > an > > > H3000. It's the only 1 space rack unit on the market performing at > > > 24bit/up to 96KHz sampling rate. It has 40 seconds delay memory, > > > preamps, polyfuzzes, up to 8 voices delays/pitch shifters/comb > > > taps/ring modulators/chorus/flangers. Reverbs are AWESOME !!! > > > It also offer different reverbs like PLEXVERBS, using > > complex feedback > > > routings between delay lines and detuners...to get a very > > particular > > > grainy texture, quite popular among "experimenters" > > > (Tibbetts/Brook/Fripp/Aarset/Gunn/Kaiser)! "Normal" reverbs > > are simply > > > outstanding: I have just got back from Oslo where I spent a > > few days > > > with Jan Garbarek. We have designed reverb algorithms (and > > more...) , > > > trying to achieve the best possible sound Jan wants. > > Well...after many > > > years of touring and recording with a 480 and G-Force, Pcm70, > > > Pcm80...jan will start his world tour in the coming fal > > with his brand > > > new ORVILLE...leaving all those boxes home. He was simply > > floored by > > > our reverb algorithms. Eclipse verbs are better than a dsp4000 in > > > quality, so no mistery it sounds better than an MPX1. > > > You will also find dozens of other algorithms (reverse > > delays/reverse > > > shifters/etc) for any kind of processing & mangling. Gtr > > distortions > > > are very unique. > > > Eventide has a Support Area/Forum on the web : EVENTIDE HELPS. > > > Join it at:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > > there you'll find lots of info/users interaction/MP3s/patches to > > > download/tutorial documents and more > > > also you can get Eclipse manuals here: > > > http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm > > > Learnig curve for Eclipse is not an issue. > > > > > > best regards > > > Italo De Angelis > > > > > > > > > > I bougth an MPX1 when it first came out and used mostly slightly > > > > tweak > > > ed > > > > presets initially. Once I rolled up my sleeves and > > programmed a few > > > > o > > > f my > > > > own and then linked a midi controller to "patches" I was really > > > > impres > > > sed. > > > > Its like a vortex on steriods and then some and it sounds > > great! (I > > > > l > > > oved > > > > my vortex, but couldn't tolerate the rolloff above 12kHz). > > > > > > > > But I'm still coveting another high quality FX box. > > > > > > > > I'm a little surprised that the MPX1 reverbs don't hold > > up as well, > > > > bu > > > t the > > > > Eclipse is rough 3.5 times as much $$$ for what the MPX1 is going > > > > for > > > these > > > > days. > > > > > > > > I own no Eventide stuff. How steep is the learning curve > > to program > > > > i > > > t? > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Italo De Angelis > > > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > > > italo@eventide.com > > > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 08:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05321; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:23:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: eventide orville Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:24:22 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c2299f$0d9850a0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00e101c22990$66ec8040$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got mine at Alto music. Excellent price and service. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Anthony Justman [mailto:pantonio@pacbell.net] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:39 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > thanks for that info. > > I'm searching for a good price on one. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Italo De Angelis" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: eventide orville > > > > Hello Anthony > > the ECLIPSE is a very poweful unit...5 times the processing > power of > > an > > H3000. It's the only 1 space rack unit on the market performing at > > 24bit/up to 96KHz sampling rate. It has 40 seconds delay memory, > > preamps, polyfuzzes, up to 8 voices delays/pitch shifters/comb > > taps/ring modulators/chorus/flangers. Reverbs are AWESOME !!! > > It also offer different reverbs like PLEXVERBS, using > complex feedback > > routings between delay lines and detuners...to get a very > particular > > grainy texture, quite popular among "experimenters" > > (Tibbetts/Brook/Fripp/Aarset/Gunn/Kaiser)! "Normal" reverbs > are simply > > outstanding: I have just got back from Oslo where I spent a > few days > > with Jan Garbarek. We have designed reverb algorithms (and > more...) , > > trying to achieve the best possible sound Jan wants. > Well...after many > > years of touring and recording with a 480 and G-Force, Pcm70, > > Pcm80...jan will start his world tour in the coming fal > with his brand > > new ORVILLE...leaving all those boxes home. He was simply > floored by > > our reverb algorithms. Eclipse verbs are better than a dsp4000 in > > quality, so no mistery it sounds better than an MPX1. > > You will also find dozens of other algorithms (reverse > delays/reverse > > shifters/etc) for any kind of processing & mangling. Gtr > distortions > > are very unique. > > Eventide has a Support Area/Forum on the web : EVENTIDE HELPS. > > Join it at:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > there you'll find lots of info/users interaction/MP3s/patches to > > download/tutorial documents and more > > also you can get Eclipse manuals here: > > http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm > > Learnig curve for Eclipse is not an issue. > > > > best regards > > Italo De Angelis > > > > > > > I bougth an MPX1 when it first came out and used mostly slightly > > > tweak > > ed > > > presets initially. Once I rolled up my sleeves and > programmed a few > > > o > > f my > > > own and then linked a midi controller to "patches" I was really > > > impres > > sed. > > > Its like a vortex on steriods and then some and it sounds > great! (I > > > l > > oved > > > my vortex, but couldn't tolerate the rolloff above 12kHz). > > > > > > But I'm still coveting another high quality FX box. > > > > > > I'm a little surprised that the MPX1 reverbs don't hold > up as well, > > > bu > > t the > > > Eclipse is rough 3.5 times as much $$$ for what the MPX1 is going > > > for > > these > > > days. > > > > > > I own no Eventide stuff. How steep is the learning curve > to program > > > i > > t? > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Italo De Angelis > > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > > italo@eventide.com > > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 08:48:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07199; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:47:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:47:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: one for the guitarist's Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:45:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C229AA.5F50B8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 12:46:40.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B4A3700:01C229A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C229AA.5F50B8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what guitar do you play and what modifications do y have on it since the robbery at my place i have at the moment none ! David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C229AA.5F50B8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what guitar do you play  and = what=20 modifications do y have on it
since the robbery at my place i have = at the=20 moment none !
 
David Swain
 
www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C229AA.5F50B8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 08:57:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08068; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:56:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 12 Jul 2002 04:53:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1026463996.1376.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com taylor 814 custom acoustic florentine cutaway,cedar top, ebony fret board,rosewood back, single abalone rosette. electronics: Sunrise in the sound hole, LRBaggs LB6 in bridge run in stereo to Pendulum preamp. Some day I wish to own a car that cost more than my guitar rig:) On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 08:45, one less than none wrote: > what guitar do you play and what modifications do y have on it > since the robbery at my place i have at the moment none ! > > David Swain > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 09:18:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10243; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:17:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:17:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Foot control footware (was Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP) From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 12 Jul 2002 05:13:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1026465250.1376.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have you looked at wrestling shoes or those rubber slippers that surfers where? On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 20:28, Neil Goldstein wrote: > > Not being facetious here at all (though it is a little funny): > > I find that the top row of the PMC-10 hard to use in a precise manner unless > I'm barefooted. They're too close together for most shoes, and I false > trigger switches on the lower row too much. I was thinking rock climbing > shoes would be about as good as functionality as it would get. Any other > ideas? > > Really sorry I can't make the Santa Cruz gathering. Very much there in > spirit though :-) > > > > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ > _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ > _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 10:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13836; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:14:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207120827.EAA22999@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9BpJT.A.KXD.jRuL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While it's regrettable that the Repeater has been deep-sixed, I'd like to make a few points: 1) If you're past the point of asking for something nicely, asking for it in some other way probably won't get you what you want either. What you want is an updated OS. What you'd probably get is several years worth of legal bills and hassle, which would make the effective "price" of this upgrade prohibitive. 2) Fixing bugs (very) often introduces new bugs. Even if you could persuade a company which nearly drove itself to bankruptcy to work on this update, you'd probably find another bunch of issues in the update. 3) As far as considering this a "warranty" issue, I'd be surprised if buried in the Repeater docs there isn't the boilerplate "all specs and features subject to change, etc". Again, maybe you could drag it out in court and get a judge to agree with you, but there's that whole big-legal fee thing again. Plus, court cases are always unpleasant, because by definition you've moved beyond the "asking for things nicely". 4) And as far as the whole "license the software to someone else" suggestion...it's phenomenally unlikely that IVL has any interest in that, and maybe less likely that you'd be able to find someone who wanted to sift through someone else's buggy code for a price you'd be willing to pay in a timeframe that you'd find satisfactory. This was all Electrix did for a year or so, and look how far those poor guys got. TH > > Well, what I conceder a tenth place up-grade is a bug fix. Maybe add a > few features at .5, if they're *ready*. I'm actually (as I've said) > mostly happy about the Repeater and how it works. The problem is, it > doesn't work as it's spec'd to. (I'll mostly harp on the MIDI clock > out) This is why I'm pretty comfortable in being angry at Electrix for > selling me something that didn't totally work as described, with the > promise that it would be fixed in the future. Perhaps a petition isn't > in order, but a class action suit. Sue IVL for not providing a 100% > working version of the Repeater. Sue for punitive damages. Can I sue > you? For punitive damages? > > Sorry, slipped into a Jerky Boys phone call. > > I really think things are far past the point where asking really nicely > would get us anywhere. > > Soooooo, to answer your question, I couldn't imagine a 1.2 OS to be > worse than the 1.1 (though it's a possibility, I agree) but if they had > a beta of a 2.0 that had more features, but was unreliable, I would not > use it. At this point, I probably would pay a bit for the bug fix, but > I don't think I should have to. I would probably pay a few hundred for > an upgrade that had a few of my big "wish list" items on it that was > stable. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 10:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14203; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:20:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:20:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c227be$c0094e20$0a00a8c0@speakeasy.net> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:06:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2279D.37E37F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2279D.37E37F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I now play Fernandes/sustainer system, i have a revolver pro and my main = is a decade model. I am a working class guy so i can't afford the kliens(sp), etc. The = sustainer system has freed me in some way, i gave away my strat and paul = to my nieces, i have never looked back in spite of some of the hardware = problems with the instruments, They can be fixed... even without the = sustainer they sing to me. jeff http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Echo17/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/185/echo_17.html ----- Original Message ---- From: one less than none=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: one for the guitarist's what guitar do you play and what modifications do y have on it since the robbery at my place i have at the moment none ! David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2279D.37E37F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I now play Fernandes/sustainer system, = i have a=20 revolver pro and my main is a decade model.
I am a working class guy so i can't = afford the=20 kliens(sp), etc. The sustainer system has freed me in some way, i gave = away my=20 strat and paul to my nieces, i have never looked back in spite of some = of the=20 hardware problems with the instruments, They can be fixed... even = without the=20 sustainer they sing to me.
 
jeff
http://artists2.iuma= .com/IUMA/Bands/Echo17/
http://artists.= mp3s.com/artists/185/echo_17.html
----- Original Message ----
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To: Loopers Delight
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 = 8:45 AM
Subject: one for the = guitarist's

what guitar do you play  and = what=20 modifications do y have on it
since the robbery at my place i = have at the=20 moment none !
 
David Swain
 
www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2279D.37E37F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 10:30:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15057; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:29:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:29:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:27:59 EDT Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's (parker fans in loopland?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d7.1a226e5f.2a60416f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d7.1a226e5f.2a60416f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just recently traded a gibson sg for a parker nightfly and totally love it. thinking about getting another. also love my customized tele and my thd univalve. any parker fans out there in loopland? =-) PJ --part1_d7.1a226e5f.2a60416f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just recently traded a gibson sg for a parker nightfly and totally love it. thinking about getting another. also love my customized tele and my thd univalve. any parker fans out there in loopland?             =-) PJ --part1_d7.1a226e5f.2a60416f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 10:35:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15374; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:34:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:34:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c229b1$3ce9ca20$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:34:14 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C229B9.93E14DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C229B9.93E14DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cthuhlu is a '89 Fender Strat, Floyd Rose tremolo, no mods unless you = include the re-soldering I've done (a fall in the '94 Northridge quake = broke some of the contacts). I also play an Oscar Schmidt 6-string = acoustic, which by the way resonates really well with an E-Bow. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: one less than none=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 13:45 PM Subject: one for the guitarist's what guitar do you play and what modifications do y have on it since the robbery at my place i have at the moment none ! David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C229B9.93E14DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cthuhlu is a '89 Fender Strat, Floyd Rose = tremolo, no=20 mods unless you include the re-soldering I've done (a fall in the '94 = Northridge=20 quake broke some of the contacts).  I also play an Oscar Schmidt = 6-string=20 acoustic, which by the way resonates really well with an = E-Bow.
 
Stephen P. Goodman
EarthLight = Productions
*
http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios -=20 The Free Loop of the Week!
http://www.earthlig= ht.net/Gallery_Front.html=20 - Cartoons!
http://www.earthlight= .net/HiddenTrack.html=20 - More Cartoons!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 one less than none =
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 = 13:45=20 PM
Subject: one for the = guitarist's

what guitar do you play  and = what=20 modifications do y have on it
since the robbery at my place i = have at the=20 moment none !
 
David Swain
 
www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C229B9.93E14DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 10:37:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15517; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <96.2936643c.2a604324@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:35:16 EDT Subject: Re: SPAM: armatronix sounds on-line To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, Congratulations! Sounds great! Looking forward to Santa Cruz. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 10:39:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16135; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:37:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:37:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c227c1$25cf28e0$0a00a8c0@speakeasy.net> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <1026463996.1376.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:23:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <9xr2ED.A.07D.jmuL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I driv an 86 crown vic ex taxi, 500$, rig $$$$$$$$$..... sorry 'bout the lack of caps and ees my keyboard is screwed, lol. peace, jeff ---- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's > taylor 814 custom acoustic florentine cutaway,cedar top, ebony fret > board,rosewood back, single abalone rosette. > > electronics: Sunrise in the sound hole, LRBaggs LB6 in bridge run in > stereo to Pendulum preamp. > > Some day I wish to own a car > that cost more than my guitar rig:) > > > > On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 08:45, one less than none wrote: > > what guitar do you play and what modifications do y have on it > > since the robbery at my place i have at the moment none ! > > > > David Swain > > > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 11:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19673; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:23:34 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06ba01c229b8$16aea220$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1026463996.1376.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <001701c227c1$25cf28e0$0a00a8c0@speakeasy.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 72 les paul custom 80's lucille early 70's martin d35 strat plus american tele carvin bb75 bass yamaha 4string i ripped the frets off (gotta get a decent fretless one of these days) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 11:47:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20774; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:46:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:46:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c229bc$2b2cec30$46a35e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: Genres (Re: prerecorded loops) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:52:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg said: >On the other hand, if Tangerine Dream's _Ricochet_ is even mostly live I >really would have liked to have been at those concerts. Gotta comment on a Tangerine Dream concert in Portland a few years back(!). After the long, lush electronica performance, for an encore one of the group came back on stage and played straight MOZART on keyboard. Great contrast! Surprising. Very well-received, even if we were hankering for more T.G. synth. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 12:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23565; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:15:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.74.2] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:13:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 16:13:50.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C2563E0:01C229BF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, Ibanez John Petrucci Model Ibanez Universe 7 string Ibanez RG-770dx Ibanez RG-550 and.... arriving in October a Klein with acoustic chambers and a Trans-Trem! I can hardly wait! My other guitars may be looking for a new home. :^) Have a good Friday! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 12:23:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24201; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:22:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:20:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 16:22:03.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[41DB5CB0:01C229C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm klein how long di you have to wiat or that ?? i hear they have quite a waiting list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Olden" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's > > Howdy, > Ibanez John Petrucci Model > Ibanez Universe 7 string > Ibanez RG-770dx > Ibanez RG-550 > and.... > arriving in October > a Klein with acoustic chambers and a Trans-Trem! I can hardly wait! > My other guitars may be looking for a new home. :^) > Have a good Friday! > Chris Olden > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 12:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24510; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: edp + Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:26:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C229C9.35CA2240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 16:27:24.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[017384D0:01C229C1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C229C9.35CA2240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just talking ot a guy a trace elliot new model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS=20 it's the same except cosmetics, black with white writing [as opposed to = te other way round] anyone seen any pics ???? David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C229C9.35CA2240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
just talking ot a guy a trace = elliot
new model due out, the echopled = digital pro PLUS=20
it's the same except cosmetics, black = with white=20 writing [as opposed to te other way round]
 
anyone seen any pics = ????
 
David Swain
 
www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C229C9.35CA2240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 12:33:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24888; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:32:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:32:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712092958.02f796e0@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:31:08 -0700 To: Loopers Delight List From: Tom Heasley Subject: Cayuga address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_57579477==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <7ljAyB.A.oEG.gSwL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_57579477==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I know, Cayuga & Soquel, but a street # that I could punch into mapquest would be useful. Thanks. Tom Heasley NEW CD AVAILABLE: On the Sensations of Tone, (www.innova.mu) ALSO AVAILABLE: Where the Earth Meets the Sky, (www.hypnos.com) New Reviews: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B31kveai44x07~C http://www.instrumentalweekly.com/reviewarchive/jun2002/20020605b.asp http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 603.849.7751 E: tom@tomheasley.com WEBSITE COMING SOON: TOMHEASLEY.COM Upcoming Solo Concerts / Appearances: Saturday, July 13, 2002, 10:30 P.M. 3rd Annual Santa Cruz Looping Festival Cayuga Vault, Santa Cruz, CA (Soquel & Cayuga) Saturday, July 20, 2002 Solo Concert TUVA 3192 Adeline Berkeley, CA Info: 510.655.9755 --=====================_57579477==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I know, Cayuga & Soquel, but a street # that I could punch into mapquest would be useful.  Thanks.

Tom Heasley
NEW CD AVAILABLE:  On the Sensations of Tone,  (www.innova.mu)
ALSO AVAILABLE:  Where the Earth Meets the Sky,  (www.hypnos.com)

New Reviews:  http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B31kveai44x07~C
                http://www.instrumentalweekly.com/reviewarchive/jun2002/20020605b.asp

http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
427 Alma St., Suite 206         
Palo Alto, CA  94301
P:  650.322.3633                
F:  603.849.7751
E:  tom@tomheasley.com
WEBSITE COMING SOON:  TOMHEASLEY.COM

Upcoming Solo Concerts / Appearances:

Saturday, July 13, 2002, 10:30 P.M.
3rd Annual Santa Cruz Looping Festival
Cayuga Vault, Santa Cruz, CA (Soquel & Cayuga)

Saturday, July 20, 2002
Solo Concert
TUVA
3192 Adeline
Berkeley, CA
Info:  510.655.9755
 --=====================_57579477==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 12:39:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25548; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:37:48 -0700 Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0kvpmC.A.vOG.fXwL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Instruments: Klein electric (chambered ash, Joe Barden pickups, S-Trem) Seagull CW(6)+ acoustic Steinberger electric with TransTrem Alvarez 12-string acoustic Steinberger Spirit bass Chapman Stick (polycarbonate) I mostly play the Klein with the Seagull coming in second and the rest falling away rapidly after that though not necessarily in the order listed above. The Stick is definitely the least used since I never really learned to play it and will probably get sold one of these days when I just admit that it's never going to rise to the top of my list to play it. Waiting time for the Klein: It could have been none. It actually took a while because I had to decide whether I wanted it. Reason: I bought one that Lorenzo's assistant had dropped and hence is somewhat damaged. Not that there was much of a discount for the damage. I'm contemplating ordering a second Klein with a Sustainer or Sustainiac and I expect that one to take a lot longer. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 12:42:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25471; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:36:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:36:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712093315.02f7ec80@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:35:05 -0700 To: Loopers Delight List From: Tom Heasley Subject: Nevermind (was: Cayuga address) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_57817312==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_57817312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.santacruzguide.com/page.cgi/pages/970263/97026350.html Cayuga Vault 1100 Soquel Ave. Soquel, CA 95062 831.425.1865 Tom Heasley NEW CD AVAILABLE: On the Sensations of Tone, (www.innova.mu) ALSO AVAILABLE: Where the Earth Meets the Sky, (www.hypnos.com) New Reviews: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B31kveai44x07~C http://www.instrumentalweekly.com/reviewarchive/jun2002/20020605b.asp http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 603.849.7751 E: tom@tomheasley.com WEBSITE COMING SOON: TOMHEASLEY.COM Upcoming Solo Concerts / Appearances: Saturday, July 13, 2002, 10:30 P.M. 3rd Annual Santa Cruz Looping Festival Cayuga Vault, Santa Cruz, CA (Soquel & Cayuga) Saturday, July 20, 2002 Solo Concert TUVA 3192 Adeline Berkeley, CA Info: 510.655.9755 --=====================_57817312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" http://www.santacruzguide.com/page.cgi/pages/970263/97026350.html

Cayuga Vault
1100 Soquel Ave.
Soquel, CA  95062
831.425.1865

Tom Heasley
NEW CD AVAILABLE:  On the Sensations of Tone,  (www.innova.mu)
ALSO AVAILABLE:  Where the Earth Meets the Sky,  (www.hypnos.com)

New Reviews:  http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B31kveai44x07~C
                http://www.instrumentalweekly.com/reviewarchive/jun2002/20020605b.asp

http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
427 Alma St., Suite 206         
Palo Alto, CA  94301
P:  650.322.3633                
F:  603.849.7751
E:  tom@tomheasley.com
WEBSITE COMING SOON:  TOMHEASLEY.COM

Upcoming Solo Concerts / Appearances:

Saturday, July 13, 2002, 10:30 P.M.
3rd Annual Santa Cruz Looping Festival
Cayuga Vault, Santa Cruz, CA (Soquel & Cayuga)

Saturday, July 20, 2002
Solo Concert
TUVA
3192 Adeline
Berkeley, CA
Info:  510.655.9755
 --=====================_57817312==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 12:54:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26714; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020712165244.95213.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_ivMQC.A.vgG.dlwL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I couldn't agree more. The people who should be working on the next > Repeater OS (or even a more bug free version of the current one!) > should be the people who conceived the beast in the first place. I'm be very surprised if that's not what THEY'D prefer to be doing right now. To me, that sounds like one of those "dream jobs". I bet it's heartbreaking for them to have produced a cool product, with a lot more potential, only to have it yanked away due to company politics and management decisions that are probably WAY out of their control. I honestly feel for 'em. It hurts to pour your heart and effort into something only to have it taken away from you. That's probably why you got such an emotional reaction from Lisa when you slammed 'em. My guess is that all the junk happened somewhere up the food chain and the people actually involved with the product got the shaft. I've felt bad about having my software projects cancelled even when they WEREN'T cool projects! I can only dream of working on something as interesting as a looping device, and I can only imagine how devistating it'd be having a great project like that get killed. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 13:02:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28310; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020712170108.97075.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9BCBD23A-9547-11D6-B4B3-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Soooooo, to answer your question, I couldn't imagine a 1.2 OS to be > worse than the 1.1 (though it's a possibility, I agree) If it was work in progress which hadn't been integration tested, it's more likely then the potential for getting something that fully functioned. Having worked in software development and test for years, interum versions of released products are frequently unstable, often highly unstable. I truly doubt getting their last development build would be something we'd want. > At this point, I probably would pay a bit for the bug fix, but > I don't think I should have to. IF the bug fix was ready for prime time... I'd pay a smallish fee for an update. > I would probably pay a few hundred for > an upgrade that had a few of my big "wish list" items on it that was > stable. I'd also be willing to pay for an upgrade. I don't think I'd pay more then $100 for it, but I'd be willing to pay that much. Perhaps an answer would be for IVL/Electrix would be to spin off the software development to a smaller independant company, similar to how Auresis/Gibson (Oberheim,etc) have their arrangement. Smaller companies can be more nimble and have lower overhead. Of course, software the relies on a specific hardware platform wouldn't be very viable unless the hardware remained available. I wonder how many Repeaters have been sold so far? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 13:11:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28708; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020712170927.602.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:09:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > Not going to happen but... > > How many current Repeater owners would pay money for a replacement OS > that > eliminated the pitch shifting, time stretching, etc. and left one > with > essentially multiple DL4-style loopers in a box with a configurable > effects loop and MIDI sync? I doubt I'd pay for it just to get the ability to be a MIDI clock source. But if it had some enhancements like improved loop beginning/end transition logic (nicer crossfading), I might. As long as I had the option of keeping OS1.1, in case I wanted to return to those features. The ability to switch between the two OS's would be essential if the primary features weren't retained. Now, your presumption is that those are the only things they'd consider "proprietary" (and therefore releasable), which I doubt. Oh yeah, from a testing standpoint, it takes JUST AS LONG to test features which have been removed from a piece of software as it does to test new features. This is because you have to be sure they were correctly removed and the removal didn't affect other functionality. So asking them to take something out in order to add something else isn't really a compelling argument, since the development & test time would still be about the same. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 13:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28956; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:13:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020712171310.6670.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drum machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > Speaking of which, Rick, I think a number of us are still waiting for > you to present your tips for would be drum machine programmers. Oh yeah. I've been waiting around for that since you mentioned it. I'm really very interestd in hearing more about this! Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 13:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29319; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:20:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:20:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:19:08 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's [sp.] In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could you guys do me a favor and stop misusing apostrophes? It creeps me out. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 13:28:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29780; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:27:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:27:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:25:17 -0700 From: pnyboer@slambassador.com (peter nyboer) Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #433 X-Sender: pnyboer@mail.yowstar.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drum machine Ikue Mori, noted NYC musician, uses an SR16-thru-effects almost exclusively for some really great sounds and compositions.... >My brother is doing a lot of gigs running it through a little half rack >Electrix FILTER QUEEN My brother has an old attachment for the FILTER QUEEN vacuum cleaner. What this attachment was for: You could use your vacuum cleaner as a HAIR DRYER. Slip the business end over your hairdo, and put the other end on the vacuum cleaner, and you've got a whole new look. I still don't know if you could use this while vacuuming. It's a nice image, though. Pete. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 13:35:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30004; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020712172958.82530.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:29:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- one less than none wrote: > what guitar do you play and what modifications do y have on it Zion RT Classic. It's unmodified. Came from the factory with Joe Barden pickups. See: http://www.zionguitars.com/rt.htm Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 13:41:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30708; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:40:05 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #433 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <074701c229cb$28aecf00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com was this an electrix product? i wonder if we can get them to release the propietary BlueHair(TM) tech... > >Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drum machine > > Ikue Mori, noted NYC musician, uses an SR16-thru-effects almost exclusively > for some really great sounds and compositions.... > > >My brother is doing a lot of gigs running it through a little half rack > >Electrix FILTER QUEEN > > My brother has an old attachment for the FILTER QUEEN vacuum cleaner. What > this attachment was for: You could use your vacuum cleaner as a HAIR > DRYER. Slip the business end over your hairdo, and put the other end on > the vacuum cleaner, and you've got a whole new look. > I still don't know if you could use this while vacuuming. It's a nice > image, though. > > Pete. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 13:46:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30702; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:40:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <10e.140138f4.2a606e53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:39:31 EDT Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 7/12/02 9:38:10 AM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >I'm contemplating ordering a second Klein with a Sustainer or Sustainiac >and I expect that one to take a lot longer. Now THAT would be a sweet combination indeed. I'm a big fan of Kleins ever since Lorenzo forced one into my grubby hands at a Nashville NAMM 7 or 8 years ago. But . . . it's pretty unlikely that I could ever afford one, plus there's the other problem . . . I'm a Sustainiac Model B user . . . so where do you put the driver/ transducer when there's no headstock? Forget the Roland GK pickup (and other paraphernalia) I'm so fond of. Oh . . . (FWIW) This is waaaaay of the "loop" topic (BTW). But I own a small number of nice guitars, a bass and some other stringed instruments . . . but what I play most (95% of the time) is a '77 Gibson RD Artist with Seymour Duncan Jazz and JB pickups, a beta-test Duncan ToneCircuit preamp/ compressor replacing the RD's original electronics, a Kahler tremolo and a Roland GK-2 hex pickup. I never play it without the GR-1 or the Sustainiac. So, because of all the extra hardware that is attached to it, I often refer to it as the "Borg" guitar. It's not a pretty sight. Whatever "vintage" or "rare and collectable" value it might have had is totally screwed. But it's been my steady favorite since 1980 when I rescued it from a small shop where it had hung unplayed for literally years (one of Gibsons many "Edsels" from the '70s). They sold it too me at their cost -- half the list price and threw the hardshell case in for free (it wouldn't fit anything else). Heh, heh, heh. It's a heavy piece of furniture however. So, whenever my back hurts I bang on a lightweight, GK-equipped Danelectro Hodad baritone. The hex pickup is more expensive than the guitar -- which I got from Musician's Fiend at a blowout price of $69.00. I use the Sustaniac and the GR-1 with that low-budget low-rider too. Don't say it! I KNOW I'm a weirdo . . . oh well. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 13:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31469; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:54:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:55:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200207121655.g6CGtP212162@mail7.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [140.233.70.138] From: "murkie !" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one for the guitarists Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steinberger custom job (telecaster body + trans-trem) klein 12-string (my desert island axe) rickenbaker 360-12 (1966) plus on other occasions, as needed: chapman stick (purpleheart grand) b.c. rich acryllic mockingbird with gk-2 pickup driving a korg x5dr and oberheim matrix-1000 synths all looped with a jamman and headrush. m Mark Christensen http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Big Heavy World at http://www.bigheavyworld.com, Vermont's music 24/7. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:18:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01769; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:17:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ee01c2299d$ba71f530$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:14:51 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EA_01C229A6.1B01D4D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6TIboD.A.ma.a0xL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EA_01C229A6.1B01D4D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable linc luthier baritone...28" scale, bartolini humbuckers... my one and only guitar. =20 -jim ------=_NextPart_000_00EA_01C229A6.1B01D4D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

linc luthier baritone...28" scale, bartolini=20 humbuckers...
 
my one and only guitar. 
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_00EA_01C229A6.1B01D4D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:19:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01842; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:18:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:18:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020712181753.36420.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: one for the guitarists To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207121633.MAA24980@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Carvin 7-string Martin DR cheap Hamer "Slammer Series"-ironically the one that gets played the most. So far I've only replaced the floyd rose on it, but I've always wanted to mod it, just haven't gotten around to it. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:21:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02090; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:20:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:20:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.1403f962.2a6077b5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:19:33 EDT Subject: Re: one for the guitarists To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well me and my carvin ae-185 are off to the airport enroute to santa cruz.....im leavin my electrix "phoenix" with built in duck and my guild d-25 acoustic at home seeing i can only play them one at a time.....hope to see ya all at the fest!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:33:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02923; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:32:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:32:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020712183211.62911.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David - usually Selina, (named after a character from a certain Portier film) a Steinberger GM2T, modded with a slightly re-bent arm, (older) AH Duncan pickups, and some (different pressure) screws on the pickup rings which are used to change the delay in real time BUT/AND at yesterday's gig I used (Irene Black aka Blackie) an early 70's Modulus Alembic Blacknife with 18v EMG's and (worn) brass gear. I scored Blackie off of eBay for something like $400 three years ago, Seller had no picture, but I had heard that the Modulus folks had holed up with Alembic so I asked a few questions and thought it was a great deal after gettng her. a few months later I contacted Modulus and they gave me some background info and asked about buying it back. Just last week Blackie's sister was also on EBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=888218176 sold for $2K, ah the wonders of re-sale. I won't mention the Bond ElectraGlide since I haven't gigged with her yet. hope you get your gear back or at least some gear to work with soon! best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- one less than none wrote: > what guitar do you play and what modifications do y > have on it > since the robbery at my place i have at the moment > none ! > > David Swain > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:34:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02986; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:33:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:33:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <10e.140138f4.2a606e53@aol.com> Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:31:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 18:32:22.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[76120A80:01C229D2] Resent-Message-ID: <3Yyg5C.A.Tu.UDyL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the rd sounds fantastic actually !!! can you send me pics ???? there is an electronic sustainiac as well as the model b which works in the same way as the fernades system that is feeding the output back into the bridge pickup [or something like that] David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's > Mark, > > In a message dated 7/12/02 9:38:10 AM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > > >I'm contemplating ordering a second Klein with a Sustainer or Sustainiac > >and I expect that one to take a lot longer. > > Now THAT would be a sweet combination indeed. > > I'm a big fan of Kleins ever since Lorenzo forced one into my grubby > hands at a Nashville NAMM 7 or 8 years ago. But . . . it's pretty > unlikely that I could ever afford one, plus there's the other problem > . . . I'm a Sustainiac Model B user . . . so where do you put the driver/ > transducer when there's no headstock? Forget the Roland GK pickup > (and other paraphernalia) I'm so fond of. > > Oh . . . (FWIW) > > This is waaaaay of the "loop" topic (BTW). But I own a small number of > nice guitars, a bass and some other stringed instruments . . . but what > I play most (95% of the time) is a '77 Gibson RD Artist with Seymour > Duncan Jazz and JB pickups, a beta-test Duncan ToneCircuit preamp/ > compressor replacing the RD's original electronics, a Kahler tremolo > and a Roland GK-2 hex pickup. I never play it without the GR-1 or the > Sustainiac. So, because of all the extra hardware that is attached > to it, I often refer to it as the "Borg" guitar. > > It's not a pretty sight. Whatever "vintage" or "rare and collectable" > value it might have had is totally screwed. But it's been my steady > favorite since 1980 when I rescued it from a small shop where it > had hung unplayed for literally years (one of Gibsons many "Edsels" > from the '70s). They sold it too me at their cost -- half the list price > and threw the hardshell case in for free (it wouldn't fit anything > else). Heh, heh, heh. > > It's a heavy piece of furniture however. So, whenever my back hurts > I bang on a lightweight, GK-equipped Danelectro Hodad baritone. The > hex pickup is more expensive than the guitar -- which I got from > Musician's Fiend at a blowout price of $69.00. I use the Sustaniac > and the GR-1 with that low-budget low-rider too. > > Don't say it! I KNOW I'm a weirdo . . . oh well. > > Ted Killian > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03486; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:39:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:39:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:31:41 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: one for the guitarists [OK!] In-reply-to: <12d.1403f962.2a6077b5@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <12d.1403f962.2a6077b5@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_hedSC.A.K2.mJyL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:42:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03755; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:41:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:41:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011b01c229a1$160190b0$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <10e.140138f4.2a606e53@aol.com> Subject: klez virus still around... Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:38:54 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4Tkw4C.A.95.4KyL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi. am i the only one still getting klez-infected files from all over creation? the newest version is a returned mail subsytem reply stating that i mailed the virus to all these emails that i know i've never written to. i think it came from somebody else's computer and got bounced back to mine. it sure isn't me, i'm up-to-date with anti-virus. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:43:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04011; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:42:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <20020712183211.62911.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:40:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 18:42:02.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0473100:01C229D3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well i've ordered my switchblade gl, considering an orville, dunno weather to wait for a black edp [vain i know] just cant decide on a guitar !!!!! doesnt look like my custom can be built ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's > David - > > usually Selina, (named after a character from a > certain Portier film) a Steinberger GM2T, modded with > a slightly re-bent arm, (older) AH Duncan pickups, and > some (different pressure) screws on the pickup rings > which are used to change the delay in real time > BUT/AND > at yesterday's gig I used (Irene Black aka Blackie) an > early 70's Modulus Alembic Blacknife with 18v EMG's > and (worn) brass gear. I scored Blackie off of eBay > for something like $400 three years ago, Seller had no > picture, but I had heard that the Modulus folks had > holed up with Alembic so I asked a few questions and > thought it was a great deal after gettng her. a few > months later I contacted Modulus and they gave me some > background info and asked about buying it back. Just > last week Blackie's sister was also on EBay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=888218176 > sold for $2K, ah the wonders of re-sale. > I won't mention the Bond ElectraGlide since I haven't > gigged with her yet. > > hope you get your gear back or at least some gear to > work with soon! > > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > > > --- one less than none > wrote: > > what guitar do you play and what modifications do y > > have on it > > since the robbery at my place i have at the moment > > none ! > > > > David Swain > > > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:46:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04398; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:45:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:45:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <20020712183211.62911.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:43:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 18:44:19.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[2178B6C0:01C229D4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com p.s. dont quite get how the screws on the pickup rings change delay time ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's > David - > > usually Selina, (named after a character from a > certain Portier film) a Steinberger GM2T, modded with > a slightly re-bent arm, (older) AH Duncan pickups, and > some (different pressure) screws on the pickup rings > which are used to change the delay in real time > BUT/AND > at yesterday's gig I used (Irene Black aka Blackie) an > early 70's Modulus Alembic Blacknife with 18v EMG's > and (worn) brass gear. I scored Blackie off of eBay > for something like $400 three years ago, Seller had no > picture, but I had heard that the Modulus folks had > holed up with Alembic so I asked a few questions and > thought it was a great deal after gettng her. a few > months later I contacted Modulus and they gave me some > background info and asked about buying it back. Just > last week Blackie's sister was also on EBay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=888218176 > sold for $2K, ah the wonders of re-sale. > I won't mention the Bond ElectraGlide since I haven't > gigged with her yet. > > hope you get your gear back or at least some gear to > work with soon! > > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > > > --- one less than none > wrote: > > what guitar do you play and what modifications do y > > have on it > > since the robbery at my place i have at the moment > > none ! > > > > David Swain > > > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04745; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:47:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:47:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c229d4$7e951420$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <10e.140138f4.2a606e53@aol.com> <011b01c229a1$160190b0$04f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: klez virus still around... Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:46:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No sir- we are getting them like crazy here at work too- same new style- so refreshing! C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:38 AM Subject: klez virus still around... > hi. > > am i the only one still getting klez-infected files from all over creation? > > the newest version is a returned mail subsytem reply stating that i mailed > the virus to all these emails that i know i've never written to. i think it > came from somebody else's computer and got bounced back to mine. it sure > isn't me, i'm up-to-date with anti-virus. > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:53:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05057; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:52:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:52:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711184707.00b183e0@pop.charter.net> Subject: Re: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP?, Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:52:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 18:51:04.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[13584500:01C229D5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I first got my EDP, I had no problem making loops and manipulating the basic functions. I have since learned more and more about it and have been getting a little more effective with it. I have a suggestion for those first time users: Rather than let the machine guide your playing, try to imagine what it is you want to do conceptually. Then figure out how to make the machine do it, chances are that the EDP can do exactly what you want, very easily. I have yet to have a looping idea that I could not somehow execute with my EDP (except time stretches and pitch bending, but that's what the repeater is for:). Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 14:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05315; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020712185337.61206.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020712183211.62911.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David - switchbalde gl, eh, very nice black EDP's (Dr.Z alert), isn't that what Matthias ran with for the original? i thought the list was just for gigging instruments, the stable also has: the Mongrel (pat. pending Kramer Pacer neck, 48th Street Custom body, Floyd, AH Duncan in the neck, Hotrail in the middle and DiMarzio Steve Morse in the bridge - my "very loud rock guitar") early Steinberger fretless MusicMan Steve Morse Model 48th Street Custom J Bass 72 re-issue 80's Fender Strat early 90's Fender Strat (w/ Floyd and buckers) misc. others, a busted Bond, a really pretty (sounding) Goya named Sharon that doesn't do well in the heat. br, Pedro --- Pedro Felix wrote: > David - > > usually Selina, (named after a character from a > certain Portier film) a Steinberger GM2T, modded > with > a slightly re-bent arm, (older) AH Duncan pickups, > and > some (different pressure) screws on the pickup rings > which are used to change the delay in real time > BUT/AND > at yesterday's gig I used (Irene Black aka Blackie) > an > early 70's Modulus Alembic Blacknife with 18v EMG's > and (worn) brass gear. I scored Blackie off of eBay > for something like $400 three years ago, Seller had > no > picture, but I had heard that the Modulus folks had > holed up with Alembic so I asked a few questions and > thought it was a great deal after gettng her. a few > months later I contacted Modulus and they gave me > some > background info and asked about buying it back. Just > last week Blackie's sister was also on EBay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=888218176 > sold for $2K, ah the wonders of re-sale. > I won't mention the Bond ElectraGlide since I > haven't > gigged with her yet. > > hope you get your gear back or at least some gear to > work with soon! > > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > > > --- one less than none > wrote: > > what guitar do you play and what modifications do > y > > have on it > > since the robbery at my place i have at the moment > > none ! > > > > David Swain > > > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 15:00:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07047; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:59:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:59:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020712185903.79712.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David - i've modded the Digitech delay units I have to handle extreme real time cv control which are triggered with pedals, etc that I use. I found that different metals could be used in this same way with my modded units. I found some screws that worked in cool ways. people have no idea what i'm doing when they see me live, as well it should be :) best, Pedro --- one less than none wrote: > p.s. dont quite get how the screws on the pickup > rings change delay time > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pedro Felix" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's > > > > David - > > > > usually Selina, (named after a character from a > > certain Portier film) a Steinberger GM2T, modded > with > > a slightly re-bent arm, (older) AH Duncan pickups, > and > > some (different pressure) screws on the pickup > rings > > which are used to change the delay in real time > > BUT/AND > > at yesterday's gig I used (Irene Black aka > Blackie) an > > early 70's Modulus Alembic Blacknife with 18v > EMG's > > and (worn) brass gear. I scored Blackie off of > eBay > > for something like $400 three years ago, Seller > had no > > picture, but I had heard that the Modulus folks > had > > holed up with Alembic so I asked a few questions > and > > thought it was a great deal after gettng her. a > few > > months later I contacted Modulus and they gave me > some > > background info and asked about buying it back. > Just > > last week Blackie's sister was also on EBay > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=888218176 > > sold for $2K, ah the wonders of re-sale. > > I won't mention the Bond ElectraGlide since I > haven't > > gigged with her yet. > > > > hope you get your gear back or at least some gear > to > > work with soon! > > > > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > > > > > > --- one less than none > > > wrote: > > > what guitar do you play and what modifications > do y > > > have on it > > > since the robbery at my place i have at the > moment > > > none ! > > > > > > David Swain > > > > > > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 15:05:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07295; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:03:11 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Equipment Spam: 6 string electric violin for sale.... From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <027DAEF4-95CA-11D6-9934-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm going to be selling my Barnshaw 6-string electric violin (Lucy) to try and raise funds to purchase an EDP or two. The violin is solid wood (made from the soundpost of a 150 year old grand piano), and was actually the very first model produced by Barnshaw. The pickup is an Ashworth bridge pickup, and the tuning from top to bottom is E,A,D,G,C,F (in 5ths). It also comes with a lightweight crush-proof Hiscox flight case. I recorded all of the 'Live at Place des Vosges' improvisations with this baby - the sound quality/response is pretty damn good. Its in pretty good condition considering the amount of touring and playing it has endured, but it does have a couple of minor 'personality blemishes' - but nothing too serious. There is a picture of a similar model online at http://www.solostring.com/images/violinbig.jpg. Mine is identical, except that the chin-rest is the same colour as the rest of the body. The list price at the moment is $3900 new. I am asking $2500 (ono). If anyone knows of a violinist who might want to try their hand at something different, then please forward them this info. Many thanks! -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 15:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07777; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:14:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:14:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c229d8$1a067220$5ca95e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: References: Subject: Polyrhythms (was Re: Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drummachine) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:12:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA07722 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg wrote: > On the other hand, this same bass player would tend to look at me with a > sort of "what? are you kidding?" look when I'd program in drum loops playing > a cycle of 2 against a cycle of 3 against a cycle of 5 etc.. > By the way: When people on this list talk polyrhythms, do you generally mean > multiple ways of dividing a single bar of music or multiple bar lengths? The term "polyrhythm" certainly is a loaded one. I suppose in its widest sense "polyrhythm" can mean any contrasting rhythmic patterns in music. So technically, triplets played over a backbeat could be considered to be polyrhythmic. Of course this is such a standard pattern that no one thinks twice about using it. Another standard practice, as Mark mentioned, is dividing the accents within a single bar. For example, breaking a bar of 4/4 into three groupings of eighth notes as 3/3/2 or 2/3/3 or 3/2/3. Again, an everyday occurrence. The next level of polyrhythms would be along the line of "compound" rhythms like 6/8, where the count is divided into two equal groups of three. Generally you'd tap your foot on the 1 and the 4, which creates a nice tension between a feeling of duple and triple meters. This also occurs in 9/8 and 12/8 rhythms when they're evenly divided into groups of three. For instance, Irish "slip jigs" in 9/8 still have very much of a waltz-time feeling, being three equal groups of 3. Another term that you sometimes see for "polyrhythm" is "cross rhythms." This is more what Mark means by the "cycle of 2 against a cycle of three against a cycle of 5." Let's start a little bit simpler, with 4 against 5. In this instance, you would have 2 contrasting time signatures occurring simultaneously. Although this can be achieved by a single player, it's easier to visualize this polyrhythm as a duet. Drummer A will be playing in 4/4, accenting only the 1. Drummer B plays in 5/4, also accenting only the 1. What happens is that after the first four beats the rhythms go out of phase with each other, so that you're hearing each drummers' accents on 1, but they're occurring at different times. After 20 beats (four measures of 5/4 and five measures of 4/4) the rhythms will again coincide on "1" (the twenty-first beat) and then begin to diverge again. This too creates an interesting tension between the two separate time signatures that resolves on beat 21. My training is in North Indian classical music, where this type of polyrhythm (or cross rhythm) is very common. In Hindi this is called "layakari" which literally means "rhythm work." Part of the reason for its popularity is that there is no harmony in Indian music, only rhythm and melody, so this is one way to add variety to the music to keep it more interesting. There are many ways to do this. For instance, in plucked stringed instruments like sitar or sarod, there are a set of openly-tuned rhythm strings ("chikari") which are used to create various rhythmic patterns. In an extended performance, one would play a long solo section before joining together with tabla to play compositions. In this solo section of three movements ("alap-jod-jhalla") the second two movements are exclusively rhythmic. Although there is no set meter in these sections, a pulse is present and the rhythms become increasingly more dense over time. Again, in order to keep things interesting, the soloist will vary the stoking patterns using cross rhythms. For instance, a typical pattern across 8 counts would be: 3/3/2. This can get doubled into 3/3/2/3/3/2 or further divided into many variations, e.g., 3/3/3/3/2/2 or 2/2/3/3/3/3 or 3/2/3/2/3/3 etc. Generally this is done by systematically playing through a large number of permutations, usually in a logically flowing order. Using one or two counts of silence within the pattern is still another way to create tension and maintain interest. After playing any number of increasingly dense rhythmic patterns, the solo section comes to a frenzied conclusion. After this, the soloist begins to play precomposed material (with continuing improvisations) in a strict time signature ("tala") along with the tabla player. This too leads to much polyrhythmic interplay. Generally what happens is that the tabla player maintains a steady stereotypical rhythmic pattern (called "theka") over which the soloist plays the precomposed melody and variations. At a certain point the soloist will begin the "layakari" usually starting with simple cross rhythms. In North Indian music the most common rhythmic cycle is 16 beats (called "tintal"). The tabla player marks out the 16 beats (subdivided into four equal groups of 4). So the soloist may begin by playing patterns of 3 against those sixteen beats, similar to the "triplets over a backbeat" mentioned above. The next round of rhythmic interplay usually goes to a more complex pattern, such as 5 against 16. In actual practice this becomes more like 5 against 4. However, instead of having a perfectly interlocking and meshing rhythm, usually the soloist will "tie up" the loose ends by filling in the remaining beats. For example, if the soloist is playing in a 5 against 4 pattern within the 16 beat cycle, he will play the contrasting pattern up to beat 30, then play the remaining two beats normally (to round out to 32 beats, i.e., 2 cycles of 16). One of the most remarkable performers of this style of playing is the great santur (hammered dulcimer) player, Pandit Shivkumar Sharma. Pandit Sharma had extensive training as a tabla player before choosing the santur as his preferred instrument, and this certainly shows in his elegant, precise, mathematical layakari. I've seen him perform brilliant variations of 4, 5, 6, 7 and 9 beats against a rhythmic cycle of 11 beats (itself subdivided into four/four/one and a half/one and a half !) as well as all of these against a cycle of 15 beats. Needless to say, he routinely plays such cross rhythms against the more common (for Indian music) cycles of 7, 10, 12, 14, etc. I think what impressed me most about all of this was that he was playing melodically as well -- following the rules of the raga, while coming up with these dazzling crossrhythms. The tabla player gets his turn too. (Or as James Brown would say, "Give the drummer some!"). The soloist will cue the tabla player to perform a solo by playing the precomposed melody repeatedly. What happens now is that the roles are reversed -- the melody keeps basic time for the drummer to improvise. Often at this point the tabla player will play precomposed material from the solo tabla repertoire. However, a sensitive tabla player might want to reinforce the idea of layakari, and so will begin to perform his variations on the rhythmic interplay. Sometimes he will amplify on what the soloist has just played, at other times he may begin a new cross rhythm. In a spirited performance, one might see a very taut back-and-forth exchange of polyrhythmic soli between the main instrumentalist and tabla player. In solo tabla performance there is also a large degree of polyrhythmic play. Usually there will be an accompanying melody ("lehera") which serves to keep time. The tabla player will display various cross rhythms against the main cycle, in the same manner as noted above. Some tabla players have also developed more "isometric" polyrhythms. That is, they will play 2 contrasting meters simultaneously -- but not crossing bar lines. In other words, the duration of time for the 2 meters is the same. I've seen one phenomenal tabla player perform a solo simultaneously in "jhaptal" (10 beats) and rupak tal (7 beats). What was most amazing about this was that the 10 beats fit perfectly into the same amount of time as the 7 beats. This obviously depends on compressing the larger time signature slightly to occupy the same amount of time as the smaller. It was mind-boggling to hear this kind of manual time-stretching. Getting back to what Mark mentioned about having three or more contrasting time cycles: I've been working on this type of polyrhythm for some time, for instance playing 3 against 4 against 5. The same "falling out of phase" occurs here as well, except that it gets compounded by one additional factor, so that it will take longer for all the cycles to meet at "1." This occurs at the "least common denominator" for all of the cycles. For example, in 3 vs 4 vs 5, the rhythms come together after 60 beats to resolve at beat 61, which will be the "1" for all three cycles (3 x 4 x 5 = 60). My earliest attempts at this sort of polyrhythm were miserable and unlistenable, due to trying to cram too much information into the rhythms. It's much better to leave some space in each one, so that you can hear the contrasting patterns that arise from the juxtaposition, rather than a jumbled mess. The EDP (to get back on topic) is a wonderful tool for this type of polyrhythm. For instance, Record one measure of 4 beats, then Multiply by three. Overdub a 3-beat pattern against the three measures of 4. Now Multiply again to 60 (easier than ever to do in Loop IV -- thanks Kim, Matthias et al. for this godsend!) and Overdub a pattern of 5 beats against the existing polyrhythm. It takes a bit of getting used to. I personally like the off-kilter patterns that arise from this type of polyrhythm, as well as the feeling of "Where the hell is '1' !?!" I don't have any experience with polyrhythms from African, Afro-Cuban, or Brazilian drumming traditions. I'm wondering if some of the percussionists on the list like Dennis, Jon or Rick could share some insight on how rhythms are crossed in these traditions and/or any personal tips and tricks they have on polyrhythms? James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 15:59:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09995; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:56:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:56:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: edp + Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:01:05 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C229E7.3CE63820" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C229E7.3CE63820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit David, I guess you were the guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone today. I have deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the Echoplex on the list, as it is due to be launched at the Nashville show next week. However, Clive is renowned throughout the music biz for having an incredibly large mouth and he can’t help himself. So now the cat’s out of the bag: - This new version is identical in operation to the one currently on sale, has the same technical specifications and should in no way deter an imminent buyer from getting one of the current ones with the up-grade from Kim. This new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few months. The reason for developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale in the UK and Europe, (previous versions could only be sold through retail in the US and Switzerland who don’t really recognise CE). This has cost Gibson about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long days and over three years to complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, make it 4-layer, add loads of VHF filtering; a filtered mains inlet and some really groovy tinned-brass screening cans for the processor and audio codec. Kim and Matthias have been invaluable during the long process and when we finally got that CE-certificate, it was definitely all worth it. We settled on the name ‘Digital pro Plus’ to distinguish it from all previous non-CE models. It will ship with Loop4 installed. We reversed the colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but this is not finalised, (I really like Matthias’ suggestion of wine-red with cream graphics). Gibson honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening to opinions at the show, where there will be two fully spammed-up & working prototypes on display. I’m hoping to get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as Clive will finally be able to flood all his European distributors with them. This is almost as exiting for the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the much-revered Loop4 upgrade. This is proof of Gibson’s commitment to continue to expand the horizons of the Echoplex. Someday, all people will own an Echoplex; Someday, Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard work :-) Andy, Echoplex Slave, I mean Production Manager. -----Original Message----- From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 July 2002 17:26 To: Loopers Delight Subject: edp + just talking ot a guy a trace elliot new model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS it's the same except cosmetics, black with white writing [as opposed to te other way round] anyone seen any pics ???? David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C229E7.3CE63820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Da= vid,

I = guess you were the guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone today. I have = deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the Echoplex on the list, as it is due = to be launched at the Nashville show next week. However, Clive is renowned = throughout the music biz for having an incredibly large mouth and he can’t = help himself.

So= now the cat’s out of the bag: -

Th= is new version is identical in operation to the one currently on sale, has the = same technical specifications and should in no way deter an imminent buyer = from getting one of the current ones with the up-grade from = Kim.

Th= is new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few = months.

Th= e reason for developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale in the UK = and Europe, (previous versions could only be sold through retail in the US = and Switzerland who don’t really recognise = CE).

Th= is has cost Gibson about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long days and over = three years to complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, make it 4-layer, = add loads of VHF filtering; a filtered mains inlet and some really groovy = tinned-brass screening cans for the processor and audio codec. Kim and Matthias have = been invaluable during the long process and when we finally got that = CE-certificate, it was definitely all worth it.

We= settled on the name ‘Digital pro Plus’ to distinguish it from all = previous non-CE models.

It= will ship with Loop4 = installed.

We= reversed the colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but this is = not finalised, (I really like Matthias’ suggestion of wine-red with cream = graphics). Gibson honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening to opinions at the show, where = there will be two fully spammed-up & working prototypes on = display.

I&= #8217;m hoping to get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as Clive will = finally be able to flood all his European distributors with them. This is almost as = exiting for the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the much-revered Loop4 = upgrade.

Th= is is proof of Gibson’s commitment to continue to expand the horizons of = the Echoplex.

 

So= meday, all people will own an Echoplex;

So= meday, Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard work = J

 

An= dy,

Ec= hoplex Slave, I mean Production Manager.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 July 2002 = 17:26
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: edp = +

 

just talking ot a guy a trace elliot

new model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS

it's the same except cosmetics, black with white writing [as opposed to te = other way round]

 <= /font>

anyone seen any pics ????

 <= /font>

David Swain

 <= /p>

www.onelessthannone.co.uk<= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C229E7.3CE63820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 16:08:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12152; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:07:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:07:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CDD7@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: edp + Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:02:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C229DF.1CFC2E50" Resent-Message-ID: <7rXo_C.A.Q9C.RbzL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C229DF.1CFC2E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Someday, Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard work :-) ** one can hope that this will soon be true. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C229DF.1CFC2E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Someday,=20 Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard work= J

 

** one can hope that this will soon be=20 true.

 

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C229DF.1CFC2E50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 16:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13584; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:35:54 +0200 Subject: Re: edp + Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-954313847 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <-WzpgB.A.4TD.K3zL9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-954313847 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 10:01 PM, Andy Ewen wrote: > This new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few > months. That gives me a very warm glowy feeling :) And coming supplied with LoopIV as standard will rock! I am waiting for that day :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com --Apple-Mail-1-954313847 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 10:01 PM, Andy Ewen wrote: Arial0000,0000,8080This new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few months. Arial0000,0000,8080 That gives me a very warm glowy feeling :) And coming supplied with LoopIV as standard will rock! I am waiting for that day :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com --Apple-Mail-1-954313847-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 16:43:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13913; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:42:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:48:50 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's (parker fans in loopland?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009701c229e5$871a69e0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1HC+7M0n+OzBV6f4J/TkxQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_1HC+7M0n+OzBV6f4J/TkxQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Nah...I'm so traditional when it comes to guitar design (at least the guitar most of them have the frets in the wrong place!), I've come to love that Strat spank. But the Parker is soooo easy to play! Like buttah! I would like to try one through a Univalve....hmmm.....I know someone who stopped using his... another happy Univalve owner! dB * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: PJBMHB@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's (parker fans in loopland?) i just recently traded a gibson sg for a parker nightfly and totally love it. thinking about getting another. also love my customized tele and my thd univalve. any parker fans out there in loopland? =-) PJ --Boundary_(ID_1HC+7M0n+OzBV6f4J/TkxQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Nah...I'm so traditional when it comes to guitar design (at least the guitar
most of them have the frets in the wrong place!),
I've come to love that Strat spank. But the Parker is soooo
easy to play! Like buttah!
 
I would like to try one through a Univalve....hmmm.....I know
someone who stopped using his...
 
another happy Univalve owner!
dB
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's (parker fans in loopland?)

i just recently traded a gibson sg for a parker nightfly and totally love it. thinking about getting another. also love my customized tele and my thd univalve. any parker fans out there in loopland?             =-) PJ
--Boundary_(ID_1HC+7M0n+OzBV6f4J/TkxQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 16:52:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14409; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:51:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:51:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:57:05 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009b01c229e6$ae1c43a0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rV56SWKvzXUST4Io8IaUJg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_rV56SWKvzXUST4Io8IaUJg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I gig with a G&L/Freenote fretless S-500 guitar and a G&L 63-tone microtonal JI S-500 guitar. - > http://microtones.com & my site: http://biink.com At home other axes I play the most: Martin 000C-15E, all mahogany acoustic, '93-'94 Strat Plus w/ DiMarzio Virtual Vintage p/u, Music Man Sterling fretless bass (Jazz style neck), and other assorted items that I rarely play: Oud, no-name lap steel, no-name resophonic w/metal body & Lace P/U, a Gibson L-6S w/ Roland synth p/u (my first good guitar) and various other guitars and basses. 99% of the time I use a Univalve amp with a ported 1x12 Harry Kolbe cab. I own and occasionally use: 1956 White amp with a real low serial number (same guts as a narrow face tweed Princeton, Forrest White was production manager manager @ Fender at the time), a two Silverface Princetons, a Silverface Bassman head, and a bunch of other stuff that's too much trouble to list...BTW: I have an armed guard watching all this 24/7, and also dug a moat around our apt. complex. This weekend we roll out the razor wire on both sides of the moat. My neighbors love me! GEAR HEADS!!!! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_rV56SWKvzXUST4Io8IaUJg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I gig with a G&L/Freenote fretless S-500 guitar and
a G&L 63-tone microtonal JI S-500 guitar. -
 
At home other axes I play the most: Martin 000C-15E, all mahogany acoustic,
'93-'94 Strat Plus w/ DiMarzio Virtual Vintage p/u,
Music Man Sterling fretless bass (Jazz style neck),
and other assorted items that I rarely play: Oud, no-name lap steel, no-name
resophonic w/metal body & Lace P/U, a Gibson L-6S w/ Roland synth p/u (my first good guitar) and
various other guitars and basses.
 
99% of the time I use a Univalve amp with a ported 1x12 Harry Kolbe cab.
I own and occasionally use: 1956 White amp with a real low serial number
(same guts as a narrow face tweed Princeton, Forrest White was production
manager manager @ Fender at the time), a two Silverface Princetons,
a Silverface Bassman head, and a bunch of other stuff that's too much trouble
to list...BTW: I have an armed guard watching all this 24/7, and also dug
a moat around our apt. complex. This weekend we roll out the razor wire
on both sides of the moat. My neighbors love me!
 
GEAR HEADS!!!!
 
--Boundary_(ID_rV56SWKvzXUST4Io8IaUJg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 16:59:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15013; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2F4228.1010506@minds-eye.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:55:04 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Repeater Midi woes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2nNOpB.A.MqD.kK0L9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a really strange midi problem happening with my Repeater (to Filter Factory-Mo-FX) that I was wondering if anyone else out there understood. Basically, when I increase the level on track one or two, its sending midi commands to my filter factory. Track two puts the FF into bypass and track one puts it into four pole mono. I don't recall having this happen last week so I'm at a loss as to what's going on. Anyone else seen anything odd like this? Oh yes, it doesn't seem to matter where the FF is in the Midi chain (first or second), its still getting these commands from the Repeater. Also internal or CFC memory, its all the same. ???? Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 17:04:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16600; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:03:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:03:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c229e7$8c2c68a0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <3D2F4228.1010506@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Repeater Midi woes Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:02:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_kcTuD.A.7CE.hQ0L9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bet you have them set to the same midi chan- change the midi chan setting on either unit and see if the prob goes away- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "loop" Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Repeater Midi woes > I've got a really strange midi problem happening with my Repeater (to > Filter Factory-Mo-FX) that I was wondering if anyone else out there > understood. Basically, when I increase the level on track one or two, > its sending midi commands to my filter factory. Track two puts the FF > into bypass and track one puts it into four pole mono. I don't recall > having this happen last week so I'm at a loss as to what's going on. > Anyone else seen anything odd like this? > > Oh yes, it doesn't seem to matter where the FF is in the Midi chain > (first or second), its still getting these commands from the Repeater. > Also internal or CFC memory, its all the same. > > ???? > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 17:08:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16830; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:07:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <165.100e9a66.2a609e9f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:05:35 EDT Subject: Re: edp + To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA16771 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, In a message dated 7/12/02 12:57:20 PM, andy.ewen@btinternet.com writes: >This is proof of Gibson’s commitment to continue to >expand the horizons of the Echoplex. Yipeeeee! This is great news indeed. Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 17:15:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17462; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.196.112] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one for the guitarists(waiting for Klein) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:13:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 21:13:33.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[FADEEBA0:01C229E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I ordered my Klein from Lorenzo on December 30th of last year. I drove down to his place in Discovery Bay, CA to meet with him and discuss my guitar. My only real disappointment is that Lorenzo is no longer making the Klein with the Novax fingerboard. I was really looking forward to making the "alien artifact" look complete. ;^) I don't know how long the waiting period is now though. I first played a Klein 11 years ago when I was living in Austin, TX. My father- in-law had one of the Klein's with the Steinberger graphite neck; it really had a unique tone.(I had a tough time with the Crafty Guitar tuning he used!) Aside from the tuning it played exquisitely. Of course, at the time, it was _way_ out of my price range. If you have not had the chance to play one, play one ASAP; it will change the way you think about playing your instrument. Take Care! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 19:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27352; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:23:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:23:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: edp + Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 00:20:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011C_01C22A03.1CB52FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 23:21:56.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9E161E0:01C229FA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C22A03.1CB52FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ooooooooooopppppppppppppppppppppsssssssssssssssssssss sorry about that, i am another who doent know when to keep his mouth = shut any chance of some pics ???? or will there be a website with them soon ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Ewen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: RE: edp + David, I guess you were the guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone = today. I have deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the = Echoplex on the list, as it is due to be launched at the Nashville show = next week. However, Clive is renowned throughout the music biz for = having an incredibly large mouth and he can't help himself. So now the cat's out of the bag: - This new version is identical in operation to the one currently on = sale, has the same technical specifications and should in no way deter = an imminent buyer from getting one of the current ones with the up-grade = from Kim. This new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a = few months. The reason for developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale = in the UK and Europe, (previous versions could only be sold through = retail in the US and Switzerland who don't really recognise CE). This has cost Gibson about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long = days and over three years to complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, = make it 4-layer, add loads of VHF filtering; a filtered mains inlet and = some really groovy tinned-brass screening cans for the processor and = audio codec. Kim and Matthias have been invaluable during the long = process and when we finally got that CE-certificate, it was definitely = all worth it.=20 We settled on the name 'Digital pro Plus' to distinguish it from all = previous non-CE models. It will ship with Loop4 installed. We reversed the colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but = this is not finalised, (I really like Matthias' suggestion of wine-red = with cream graphics). Gibson honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening = to opinions at the show, where there will be two fully spammed-up & = working prototypes on display. I'm hoping to get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as = Clive will finally be able to flood all his European distributors with = them. This is almost as exiting for the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the = much-revered Loop4 upgrade. This is proof of Gibson's commitment to continue to expand the = horizons of the Echoplex. =20 Someday, all people will own an Echoplex; Someday, Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their = hard work J =20 Andy, Echoplex Slave, I mean Production Manager. =20 -----Original Message----- From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 July 2002 17:26 To: Loopers Delight Subject: edp + =20 just talking ot a guy a trace elliot new model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS=20 it's the same except cosmetics, black with white writing [as opposed = to te other way round] =20 anyone seen any pics ???? =20 David Swain =20 www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C22A03.1CB52FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ooooooooooopppppppppppppppppppppsssssssssssssssssssss
sorry about that, i am another who = doent know=20 when to keep his mouth shut
any chance of some pics = ????
or will there be a website with them = soon=20 ?
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Ewen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 = 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: edp +

David,

I=20 guess you were the guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone = today. I have=20 deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the Echoplex on the = list, as it=20 is due to be launched at the Nashville show next week. However, Clive = is=20 renowned throughout the music biz for having an incredibly large mouth = and he=20 can=92t help himself.

So now=20 the cat=92s out of the bag: -

This=20 new version is identical in operation to the one currently on sale, = has the=20 same technical specifications and should in no way deter an imminent = buyer=20 from getting one of the current ones with the up-grade from=20 Kim.

This=20 new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few=20 months.

The=20 reason for developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale in = the UK=20 and Europe, (previous versions could only be sold through retail in = the US and=20 Switzerland who don=92t really recognise=20 CE).

This=20 has cost Gibson about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long days = and over=20 three years to complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, make it = 4-layer,=20 add loads of VHF filtering; a filtered mains inlet and some really = groovy=20 tinned-brass screening cans for the processor and audio codec. Kim and = Matthias have been invaluable during the long process and when we = finally got=20 that CE-certificate, it was definitely all worth it.=20

We=20 settled on the name =91Digital pro Plus=92 to distinguish it from all = previous=20 non-CE models.

It=20 will ship with Loop4=20 installed.

We=20 reversed the colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but this = is not=20 finalised, (I really like Matthias=92 suggestion of wine-red with = cream=20 graphics). Gibson honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening to = opinions at the=20 show, where there will be two fully spammed-up & working = prototypes on=20 display.

I=92m=20 hoping to get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as Clive = will=20 finally be able to flood all his European distributors with them. This = is=20 almost as exiting for the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the much-revered = Loop4=20 upgrade.

This=20 is proof of Gibson=92s commitment to continue to expand the horizons = of the=20 Echoplex.

 

Someday,=20 all people will own an Echoplex;

Someday,=20 Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard = work=20 J

 

Andy,

Echoplex=20 Slave, I mean Production Manager.

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = one less=20 than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 July 2002 = 17:26
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: edp = +

 

just=20 talking ot a guy a trace elliot

new=20 model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS

it's=20 the same except cosmetics, black with white writing [as opposed to te = other=20 way round]

 

anyone = seen any=20 pics ????

 

David=20 Swain

 

www.onelessthannone.co.uk

------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C22A03.1CB52FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 19:42:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28331; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:41:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:41:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: edp + Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:42:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 23:40:34.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[84A8E0C0:01C229FD] Resent-Message-ID: <5hqPxD.A.S6G.Rk2L9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all this interest in an EDP that simply looks different. Not too long ago we had a thread on redesigning the EDP faceplate. Back then, I wondered to myself whether people would really shell out cold hard cash just for an "EDP hop-up kit." Basically an aftermarket replacement faceplate that looked really cool and didn't detract from the usability. Lets say I produced one that you liked and looked suitably cool, would anyone here pay $100 for one? $75? $50? $30? Jon ps. be honest (personal replies are fine too if you're list-shy) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 20:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32349; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:20:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:20:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: cram@panix.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:20:47 -0400 Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D2F1DFF.15101.2D7D92@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 12 Jul 2002 at 13:45, one less than none wrote: > what guitar do you play and what modifications do y have on it > since the robbery at my place i have at the moment none ! Gibson 335 Studio Godin LGXT American Strat American Tele Gibson MX-v Gibson Gary Moore I suck at playing, but excel at picking great sounding guitars! Craig ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ Life goes on within you and without you. -- George Harrison Craig Ramseur cram@panix.com Listen at: www.soundclick.com\craigramseur ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 20:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01793; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:47:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <008b01c229d8$1a067220$5ca95e0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: Polyrhythms (was Re: Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drummachine) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:47:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02BF_01C229CC.352157C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 00:46:07.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC9065F0:01C22A06] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02BF_01C229CC.352157C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I don't have any experience with polyrhythms from African, Afro-Cuban, = or Brazilian drumming traditions. I'm wondering if some of the = percussionists on the list like Dennis, Jon or Rick could share some = insight on how rhythms are crossed in these traditions and/or any = personal tips and tricks they have on polyrhythms? > Wow James, this is an awesome response to a simple question! I wish I = knew more about the history of drumming traditions, especially with = respect to polyrhythms. I do know a lot about the history of jazz = drumming and of course polyrhythms or crossrhythms are a big part of = jazz drumming. However there are many jazz drummers who seem to have no = interest in this type of rythmical interplay and they have perfectly = valid view points as well. In jazz, it is very common to hear "3 over = 4" or "4 over 3" types of cross rhythms because swing time is more or = less based around a quarter note triplet (I'm generalizing here:). = You'll often hear jazz drummers during solos keeping the basic time with = their feet (bass drum and hi-hat, or just hi-hat) and playing complex = polyrhythmic figures with their hands. Traditionally you'll hear a ride = cymbal+hi-hat pattern with rhythmic interplay on the snare drum and bass = drum. Here's a few examples of this (Excuse the fixed width font) 6 over 4 example quarter note: q q q q =20 ride cymbal: x x x x x x snare: o o o o o o =20 3 over 4 example quarter note: q q q q =20 ride cymbal: x x x x x x=20 snare: o o o =20 more intricate 3 over 4 example quarter note: q q q q=20 hi-hat x x snare o o o o o o o o o =20 bass o o o this one crosses bar lines and is a practical example of 5 over 3 fit = into a 2 bar phrase. Notice that there are 24 triples in 2 bars of 4/4. = You can fit 4 clean cycles of 5/triplet into that and be left with 4 = triplets left, so it resolves at the end of the second bar - similar to = James description of tying up the loose end of a polyrhythm towards the = end of a rhythmic cycle (tintal). the polyrhythm is mostly in the bass = drum, with the snare drum playing a supporting role in both time = signatures. quarter note: q q q q q q q q =20 hi-hat x x x x snare o o o o o o o o o o o o =20 bass o o o o (o) =20 There's another thing that happens a lot in jazz drumming called metric = modulation, or implied metric. This is when another time signiature is = implied over the base time signiature. this happens a lot playing in = 3/4 time where a "duple" feel is introduced. Example: duple metric modulation in 2 bars of 3/4 time (this works really well on = 3/4 latin tunes - straight eights) =20 quarter note: q q q q q q=20 ride cymbal x x x x x x snare o o bass o o =20 not exaclty a polyrhythm but my favorite metric modulation right now: = its a half time feel "slipped" by 2 triplet notes (I first heard this = played by Elvin Jones on a Wayne Shorter Album though the name escapes = me) quarter note: q q q q q q q q =20 ride cymbal: x x x x x x x x x x x x snare o o o O o o o O =20 hihat x x bass o o =20 OK, I'm tired of typing these in but if anyone has questions about = examples of specific types of polyrhythms, ask me and I can try and type = them up. My all time favorite is a story about Richard Fynman (sp?) who = is a famous physicist who also played bongo drums. Apparently he got = interested in polyrhythms and wouldn't stop until he could feel 12 over = 13, or 12 beats played in the same amount of time as 13 beats! I tried = it a few times and I definitely don't feel it yet... These kinds of = things CAN get really mathematical and there are tricks to figuring them = out which I can post if anyone wants. Jon ------=_NextPart_000_02BF_01C229CC.352157C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> I don't have any experience with = polyrhythms=20 from African, Afro-Cuban, or Brazilian drumming traditions.  I'm = wondering=20 if some of the percussionists on the list like Dennis, Jon or Rick could = share=20 some insight on how rhythms are crossed in these traditions and/or any = personal=20 tips and tricks they have on polyrhythms?
>
 
Wow James, this is an awesome = response to a=20 simple question!  I wish I knew more about the history of drumming=20 traditions, especially with respect to polyrhythms.  I do know a = lot about=20 the history of jazz drumming and of course polyrhythms or crossrhythms = are a big=20 part of jazz drumming.  However there are many jazz drummers = who seem=20 to have no interest in this type of rythmical interplay and they have = perfectly=20 valid view points as well.  In jazz, it is very common to = hear "3 over=20 4" or "4 over 3" types of cross rhythms because swing time is more = or less=20 based around a quarter note triplet (I'm generalizing here:).  = You'll often=20 hear jazz drummers during solos keeping the basic time with their feet = (bass=20 drum and hi-hat, or just hi-hat) and playing complex polyrhythmic = figures with=20 their hands.  Traditionally you'll hear a ride cymbal+hi-hat = pattern with=20 rhythmic interplay on the snare drum and bass drum.  Here's a few = examples=20 of this
 
(Excuse the fixed width = font)
 
6 over 4 example
 
quarter note:   =20 q     q     = q    =20 q   
ride=20 cymbal:     x    =  x   x=20 x     x   x
snare:         &nbs= p; o =20  o   o   o   o   o =20
 
3 over 4 example
 
quarter note:   =20 q     q     = q    =20 q      
ride=20 cymbal:     x    =  x   x=20 x     x   x
snare:        &nbs= p;  o       o  &nb= sp;    o       
 
more intricate 3 over 4 example
quarter note:   =20 q     q     = q    =20 q 
hi-hat        &nbs= p;        x   &nbs= p;      =20 x
snare   =20         o o o   o o o  =  o=20 o o 
bass         =          =20 o       = o      =20 o
 
this one crosses bar lines and is a practical = example=20 of 5 over 3 fit into a 2 bar phrase.  Notice that there are 24 = triples=20 in 2 bars of 4/4.  You can fit 4 clean cycles of 5/triplet into = that and be=20 left with 4 triplets left, so it resolves at the end of the second bar - = similar=20 to James description of tying up the loose end of a polyrhythm towards = the end=20 of a rhythmic cycle (tintal).  the polyrhythm is mostly in the bass = drum,=20 with the snare drum playing a supporting role in both time=20 signatures.
 
 
quarter note:   =20 q     q     = q    =20 q     q     = q    =20 q     q    
hi-hat        &nbs= p;        x   &nbs= p;      =20 x       =20    x         =  =20 x
snare   =20        =20 o   o o     o  =  o =20  o   o     o o   o  =  o=20 o 
bass         =            =20 o        =20 o        =20 o         o=20    (o)   
 
There's another thing that happens a lot in = jazz=20 drumming called metric modulation, or implied metric.  This is when = another=20 time signiature is implied over the base time signiature.  this = happens a=20 lot playing in 3/4 time where a "duple" feel is introduced. =20 Example:
 
duple metric modulation in 2 bars of 3/4 time = (this=20 works really well on 3/4 latin tunes - straight eights)
 
quarter note:    q  =20 q   q   q   q   q 
ride cymbal     =20 x     x   x=20 x     x   x
snare         = ;         o   = ;        o
bass         =     o        =   =20 o        =20
 
not exaclty a polyrhythm but my favorite = metric=20 modulation right now: its a half time feel "slipped" by 2 triplet notes = (I first=20 heard this played by Elvin Jones on a Wayne Shorter = Album though=20 the name escapes me)
 
quarter note:   =20 q     q     = q    =20 q     q     = q    =20 q     q    
ride=20 cymbal:     x    =  x   x=20 x     x   x x   =20  x   x x     x   = x
snare         = ;   o   o     &nbs= p; o   O      =20 o   o      =20 o   O         = ;  =20
hihat         = ;       =20            x =           =20            x
bass         =         o    =        =20            o =          =20
 
OK, I'm tired of typing these in but if anyone = has=20 questions about examples of specific types of polyrhythms, ask me and I = can try=20 and type them up.  My all time favorite is a story about Richard = Fynman=20 (sp?) who is a famous physicist who also played bongo drums.  = Apparently he=20 got interested in polyrhythms and wouldn't stop until he could feel 12 = over 13,=20 or 12 beats played in the same amount of time as 13 beats!  I tried = it a=20 few times and I definitely don't feel it yet...  These kinds of = things CAN=20 get really mathematical and there are tricks to figuring them out which = I can=20 post if anyone wants.
Jon
 
------=_NextPart_000_02BF_01C229CC.352157C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 21:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04105; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:08:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:08:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011b01c229a1$160190b0$04f8c440@g0wn7> References: <10e.140138f4.2a606e53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:06:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: klez virus still around... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hi. > >am i the only one still getting klez-infected files from all over creation? > >the newest version is a returned mail subsytem reply stating that i mailed >the virus to all these emails that i know i've never written to. i think it >came from somebody else's computer and got bounced back to mine. it sure >isn't me, i'm up-to-date with anti-virus. > >-jim That's happened with me, too. (And I'm sure I didn't send 'em, having a Mac and all ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 21:10:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04255; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:09:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:09:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRIVybTc9lH1Tl6qF4P6Ef0Uv+4XAIUCzEdeKK0UV7Gp1KeTu8SalsyqZE= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:09:02 -0700 (PDT) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: loopers Message-ID: <13182-3D2F7DAE-698@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've got a edp and have a reapter on layaway, hearing some complications/problems on the reapter would it be better purchase a keyboard instead of a repeater, or just get another edp. Some of the rhythm's are` complicated and I would like to have them done ahead of time then use the edp for live situation. Bill/las vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 21:13:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04439; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:11:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:11:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2F7E31.2487A560@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:11:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #433 References: <074701c229cb$28aecf00$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have blue hair Mark jim palmer wrote: > was this an electrix product? > i wonder if we can get them to release the propietary BlueHair(TM) tech... > > > >Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drum machine > > > > Ikue Mori, noted NYC musician, uses an SR16-thru-effects almost exclusively > > for some really great sounds and compositions.... > > > > >My brother is doing a lot of gigs running it through a little half rack > > >Electrix FILTER QUEEN > > > > My brother has an old attachment for the FILTER QUEEN vacuum cleaner. What > > this attachment was for: You could use your vacuum cleaner as a HAIR > > DRYER. Slip the business end over your hairdo, and put the other end on > > the vacuum cleaner, and you've got a whole new look. > > I still don't know if you could use this while vacuuming. It's a nice > > image, though. > > > > Pete. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 21:25:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05424; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:24:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:24:12 -0500 From: Skip Subject: Re: Polyrhythms In-reply-to: <3D2F1DFF.15101.2D7D92@localhost> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3CEFDADB-95FF-11D6-A693-0003934741A4@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, it never occurred to me that there might be some drummers here...I'm pretty new to the list. The looping thing seems so guitar/synth oriented. I'm primarily a drummer, but I've only used my Repeater for guitar (although, it's very percussive guitar). I'm hoping to change that once I can afford some microphones. Anyone here use their looper with drum/percussion? Any sites or lists on this? -12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 22:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09774; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:20:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:20:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2F8E0F.D1B2936B@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:18:55 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: klez virus still around... References: <10e.140138f4.2a606e53@aol.com> <011b01c229a1$160190b0$04f8c440@g0wn7> <009501c229d4$7e951420$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe that klez is able to gather e-mail addresses from the address books on infected computers and uses them to spoof. Basically anyone who is infected and happens to have your e-mail address in their address book could be spreadin the virus and the virus is making it look like ir came from you. Pretty evil. Scott Clifford Novey wrote: > > No sir- we are getting them like crazy here at work too- same new style- so > refreshing! > > C > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy Fowler" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:38 AM > Subject: klez virus still around... > > > hi. > > > > am i the only one still getting klez-infected files from all over > creation? > > > > the newest version is a returned mail subsytem reply stating that i mailed > > the virus to all these emails that i know i've never written to. i think > it > > came from somebody else's computer and got bounced back to mine. it sure > > isn't me, i'm up-to-date with anti-virus. > > > > -jim > > > > > > -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 22:42:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11233; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:41:15 -0500 Subject: Re: klez virus still around... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that's what i was guessing...making me look bad. i can do a good enough job of that myself. i don't need any help for a computer virus. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 23:04:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13830; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:03:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020712194835.0219a118@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:03:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Attn: Matthias; Learning How to use the EDP? In-Reply-To: <3D2DDB89.F5B65DAF@ernieball.com> References: <200207111907.PAA13624@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:24 PM 7/11/2002, Hans Lindauer wrote: >I think that starting with the factory presets is probably your best >bet. Matthias & Kim seem to be the kind of guys who would have thought >of the beginning user, and made it easy to start out without having to >re-configure a bunch of presets. yes, that is right. (and we did spend a lot of time thinking about this.) The default parameter settings are what we feel is a good place to start. So a beginning user can power up and get right in and do the basic looping functions without having to care what the parameters are all about. Then, after you feel you understand the basics of looping with the Echoplex, you can explore some of the parameters and learn what they do. Depending on what you wish to do with looping, how you play, your style of music, your setup, or whatever, you may find that some different parameter settings are really useful to you. You might want to change to those permanently instead of the defaults. Or perhaps you just want to switch that parameter sometimes, depending on the needs of a particular piece of music. LoopIV now has parameter presets, which are really helpful as a way to manage different echoplex configurations. No more reaching over, hit the parameter button a few times, find the right parameter button, hit it some more to edit - all while still trying to play. Now you can set up your favorite configs in advance and change them on the fly with a program change message from any midi controller. much easier! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 12 23:40:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15697; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:33:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:33:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020712200444.021edf50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:34:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Learning How to use the EDP? In-Reply-To: <007401c22700$315bfab0$420e88cf@stevespc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steven- It will be a lot easier for people to answer these questions for you if you can help us understand more about you. How you might use the Echoplex or any other looper depends a lot on you, that is why there are no stock answers for your questions. What do you wish to do with loops? What kind of music do you play? How do you play it and how do you see loops fitting into that? What instrument do you play, if any? What other gear are you using? What need are you trying to fill by getting a looper? The more you can answer these questions the more others can help you. (and probably you will gain a better understanding of yourself in the process.) Looping is not a genre of music or something only done by one type of musician, it is just a tool and a musical approach used by many different musicians with many different needs, in all styles of music. Saying you are a looper doesn't really tell us that much about you. We find customers of the EDP are all over the map, from regular blues musicians to electronic dance music producers to ambient players to wildly experimental types to whatever. It is really varied. If you just tell us that you have an EDP we can't tell if you are an old skool rapper trying to bring your human beat box routine into a live drum and bass context or a Fripp wannabe trying to make droney guitar layers into a soundscape. The "right" answer for one might be totally wrong for the other. kim At 09:22 PM 7/8/2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >First, trying to learn the best gain structure and use of the feedback >controls so that loops are built in a way that they maintain their >clarity without getting all mushy. > >Second, learning the best way to incorporate the EDP within the overall >mixing scheme such as applying effects before the loop (do we cut off >reverb tails?) or after when we only have a single effects unit. > >Third, when you see all the commands in the EDP manual such as >Quantize=On or RoundMode=Off and everyone on the loopers list refers to >these functions as if they were able to change them on the fly (I assume >with midi commands), the amount of possible button presses to accomlish >many different things begins to greatly exceed the standard EFC buttons >of "Record" "Overdub" "Multiply" "Insert" "Mute" "Undo" and "Next Loop". >I know a lot of people here use the EDP for different things, but if >these large number of various functions are meant to be static, I have >yet to see any recommendations as to standard recommended setups, >assuming that is possible. Are there any recommended standard >configuration setups for the EDP? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 01:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23105; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D2FB3E4.30206@minds-eye.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:00:20 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Midi woes References: <3D2F4228.1010506@minds-eye.org> <001201c229e7$8c2c68a0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1KAk4C.A.HoF.dR7L9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, that seems to have done the trick, thanks. The real benefit of asking obvious questions is that it lowers expectations, makes it easier to amaze with your brilliance the *next* time. If only I weren't such a steadfast midiot things might be different. But I love this list and the fact that my problem has been resolved in mere hours. Thanks Kevin Clifford Novey wrote: >I bet you have them set to the same midi chan- change the midi chan setting >on either unit and see if the prob goes away- > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" >To: "loop" >Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:55 PM >Subject: Repeater Midi woes > > >>I've got a really strange midi problem happening with my Repeater (to >>Filter Factory-Mo-FX) that I was wondering if anyone else out there >>understood. Basically, when I increase the level on track one or two, >>its sending midi commands to my filter factory. Track two puts the FF >>into bypass and track one puts it into four pole mono. I don't recall >>having this happen last week so I'm at a loss as to what's going on. >> Anyone else seen anything odd like this? >> >>Oh yes, it doesn't seem to matter where the FF is in the Midi chain >>(first or second), its still getting these commands from the Repeater. >> Also internal or CFC memory, its all the same. >> >>???? >> >>Thanks >> >>Kevin >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 02:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28046; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:05:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020713060523.36074.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's [sp.] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7drnxB.A.q1G.kM8L9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > Could you guys do me a favor and stop misusing > apostrophes? > > It creeps me out. you tell'um perfesser, it creep's me out too! :) MIJ Fender Strat w/Kahler trem, bridge hot rail, & Yamaha midi pick-up. Antoria LP copy w/Les-Trem & Roland GK2a. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 02:28:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29601; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:28:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:28:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:30:49 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Polyrhythms (was Re: Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drummachine) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Jon Wagner wrote: > OK, I'm tired of typing these in but if anyone has questions about > examples of specific types of polyrhythms, ask me and I can try and type > them up. My all time favorite is a story about Richard Fynman (sp?) who > is a famous physicist who also played bongo drums. Apparently he got > interested in polyrhythms and wouldn't stop until he could feel 12 over > 13, or 12 beats played in the same amount of time as 13 beats! I tried > it a few times and I definitely don't feel it yet... These kinds of > things CAN get really mathematical and there are tricks to figuring them > out which I can post if anyone wants. > Jon My favorite polyrhythm story was one I heard from Philip Glass when he was speaking after a performance on the Monsters of Grace tour. He was discussing recording Passages with Ravi Shankar, and that Ravi Shankar was always teaching all the time. So after a recording session one day Ravi Shankar gets everyone participating in playing, and teaches everyone this simple melody in a nine-beat measure. So he works with everyone, gets them going, and everyone's happily playing along. Suddenly Ravi goes off on this other rhythm and Glass, confused, asked "What rhythm are you playing in now, Ravi?" "Thirteen and a half!" "Why?" ""Three times nine is twenty-seven. Divide by two and get thirteen and a half!" best, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 02:50:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30956; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:49:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:49:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Polyrhythms (was Re: Meditations on the awful sounds of the Alesis SR-16 drummachine) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:49:16 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c22a39$67e41ae0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's why Rajivi is THE MAN. :) Cliff > > My favorite polyrhythm story was one I heard from Philip Glass when he was > speaking after a performance on the Monsters of Grace tour. He was > discussing recording Passages with Ravi Shankar, and that Ravi Shankar was > always teaching all the time. So after a recording session one day Ravi > Shankar gets everyone participating in playing, and teaches everyone this > simple melody in a nine-beat measure. So he works with everyone, gets them > going, and everyone's happily playing along. Suddenly Ravi goes off on > this other rhythm and Glass, confused, asked "What rhythm are you playing > in now, Ravi?" > > "Thirteen and a half!" > > "Why?" > > ""Three times nine is twenty-seven. Divide by two and get thirteen and a > half!" > > best, > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 02:56:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31374; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:55:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:55:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020713065443.12494.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: looking for Fernandes guitar opinions To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Musician's Friend has the following Fernandes guitars w/sustainer on sale...... Native Pro - $249.99 Revolver Pro - $349.99 Dragonfly Pro - $399.99 The Dragonfly has 3 pick-ups, so I assume it has more tonal variety than the others when played without the sustainer. The Revolver has a Floyd Rose trem, the other two are described as having a "vintage" trem. The Native Pro looks like you're getting a free guitar with your sustainer purchase. I would also want to stick a GK2-a pick-up on one if I buy it. Hoping to hear from some users. Many thanks, John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 03:22:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01370; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020712232343.00b249c8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: hlindauer@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 00:15:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: D-Two Looper Settings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang- I've finally sat down for a few hours with my T.C. Electronics D-Two delay, and figures out how to make it function as a simple MIDI-syncable looper with overdub, multiply, and feedback control. It will do odd time signatures, also. I'm using a Digitech PMC-10 MIDI footcontroller to send commands, although you could use the front panel easily enough. Here's how to do it: Set the unit to receive MIDI. This is under Setup - I set MIDI Sync to 1/1 and Delay mode to Mono for extra time. Feedback is pretty self-explanatory. I set the PMC-10 up with CC (#50) values of 127, 96, and 0 for 100%, 75%, and 0% feedback, respectively. You can also use the knob on the front to adjust the feedback. Overdub uses the Bypass command. Set the Bypass Mode to "FX In" in Setup. You can toggle the front panel button, or else send CC #20 with a MIDI controller to create either a sustained or toggled overdub. You could also leave it wide open if you want. Multiply is achieved via the user presets. I set the Subdivision to 1/16 note, and programmed FB #1 to 32/16 at 0 dB for a two-measure loop, 16/16 for one measure, 8/16 for 1/2 measure, etc., and saved each one to its own preset. I set each ones' FB% to 100 so that 100% feedback would be the default when calling up a preset. I also programmed Program Change commands into the PMC-10 to allow me to switch easily between loop lengths. When you switch presets, there may be a very brief moment of silence. This doesn't insert itself into the loop, fortunately. If anybody else has any good D-Two tricks, I'd be interested in hearing them. Enjoy, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 05:00:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10768; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 05:00:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 05:00:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: edp + Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:05:01 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C22A54.C0829D00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8g5nxD.A.xnC.Ew-L9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C22A54.C0829D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Don’t feel guilty; once info like this is given out by Gibson staff, it’s public domain. One of the show models is off to photography after the show so it should turn up on the Echoplex website pretty soon. -----Original Message----- From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com] Sent: 13 July 2002 00:21 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp + ooooooooooopppppppppppppppppppppsssssssssssssssssssss sorry about that, i am another who doent know when to keep his mouth shut any chance of some pics ???? or will there be a website with them soon ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: RE: edp + David, I guess you were the guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone today. I have deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the Echoplex on the list, as it is due to be launched at the Nashville show next week. However, Clive is renowned throughout the music biz for having an incredibly large mouth and he can’t help himself. So now the cat’s out of the bag: - This new version is identical in operation to the one currently on sale, has the same technical specifications and should in no way deter an imminent buyer from getting one of the current ones with the up-grade from Kim. This new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few months. The reason for developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale in the UK and Europe, (previous versions could only be sold through retail in the US and Switzerland who don’t really recognise CE). This has cost Gibson about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long days and over three years to complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, make it 4-layer, add loads of VHF filtering; a filtered mains inlet and some really groovy tinned-brass screening cans for the processor and audio codec. Kim and Matthias have been invaluable during the long process and when we finally got that CE-certificate, it was definitely all worth it. We settled on the name ‘Digital pro Plus’ to distinguish it from all previous non-CE models. It will ship with Loop4 installed. We reversed the colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but this is not finalised, (I really like Matthias’ suggestion of wine-red with cream graphics). Gibson honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening to opinions at the show, where there will be two fully spammed-up & working prototypes on display. I’m hoping to get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as Clive will finally be able to flood all his European distributors with them. This is almost as exiting for the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the much-revered Loop4 upgrade. This is proof of Gibson’s commitment to continue to expand the horizons of the Echoplex. Someday, all people will own an Echoplex; Someday, Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard work :-) Andy, Echoplex Slave, I mean Production Manager. -----Original Message----- From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 July 2002 17:26 To: Loopers Delight Subject: edp + just talking ot a guy a trace elliot new model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS it's the same except cosmetics, black with white writing [as opposed to te other way round] anyone seen any pics ???? David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C22A54.C0829D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Don’t feel guilty; once info like this is given out by = Gibson staff, it’s public domain.

One of the show models is off to photography after the show so it = should turn up on the Echoplex website pretty = soon.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com]
Sent: 13 July 2002 = 00:21
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: edp = +

 

oooooooooooppp= ppppppppppppppppppsssssssssssssssssssss<= /p>

sorry about that, i am another who doent know when to keep his mouth = shut<= /p>

any chance of some pics ????

or will there be a website with them soon ?<= /p>

 <= /p>

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Ewen

=

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com

Sent: Friday, July = 12, 2002 9:01 PM

Subject: RE: edp +

 <= /p>

David,

I guess you were the = guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone today. I have deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the Echoplex on the list, as it is due to = be launched at the Nashville show next week. However, Clive is renowned = throughout the music biz for having an incredibly large mouth and he can’t = help himself.

So now the = cat’s out of the bag: -

This new version is identical in operation to the one currently on sale, has the same = technical specifications and should in no way deter an imminent buyer from getting = one of the current ones with the up-grade from = Kim.

This new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few = months.

The reason for = developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale in the UK and Europe, = (previous versions could only be sold through retail in the US and Switzerland who = don’t really recognise CE).

This has cost Gibson = about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long days and over three years to = complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, make it 4-layer, add loads of VHF = filtering; a filtered mains inlet and some really groovy tinned-brass screening = cans for the processor and audio codec. Kim and Matthias have been invaluable = during the long process and when we finally got that CE-certificate, it was = definitely all worth it.

We settled on the = name ‘Digital pro Plus’ to distinguish it from all previous = non-CE models.

It will ship with Loop4 = installed.

We reversed the = colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but this is not finalised, (I really = like Matthias’ suggestion of wine-red with cream graphics). Gibson = honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening to opinions at the show, where there will be two = fully spammed-up & working prototypes on = display.

I’m hoping to = get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as Clive will finally be able to = flood all his European distributors with them. This is almost as exiting for = the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the much-revered Loop4 = upgrade.

This is proof of = Gibson’s commitment to continue to expand the horizons of the = Echoplex.

 

Someday, all people = will own an Echoplex;

Someday, Kim & = Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard work = J

 

Andy,

Echoplex Slave, I = mean Production Manager.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 July 2002 = 17:26
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: edp = +<= /p>

 <= /p>

just talking ot a guy a trace elliot

new model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS =

it's the same except cosmetics, black with white writing = [as opposed to te other way round]

 

anyone seen any pics ????

 

David Swain

 <= /p>

www.onelessthannone.co.uk<= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C22A54.C0829D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 09:00:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00653; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020713125918.58853.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 05:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: one for the guitarists AND Repeater question To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My current rig: Yamaha Pacifica 311 (Mike Stern tele) Digitech Genesis3 Lexicon Vortex Repeater Behringer FCB1010 for MIDI control I'm currently eyeing a DOD Dimension 12 to put in the Repeater's effects loop. Which brings me to: is the Repeater clever enough to recognize a mono device in the effects loop and act accordingly? In other words, if I only have plugs in the L FX send and FX return, will my stereo tracks be mixed to mono when assigned to the loop, or will only the left side of the stereo field be sent to the FX loop? I'm also having my first custom guitar built by Chris Fouke of industrialguitar.com. It's sort of the bastard son of Gibson's ES-135 Gothic (which I think they only made for one year), except it's made of aluminum finished a flat black. It's cyber-goth! =) Later, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com You can't make me think like you, mundane -Incubus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 09:18:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02411; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:17:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:17:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: TRLounge@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:16:44 EDT Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's [sp.] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whats you're problem? ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 10:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08319; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c22a75$fe702da0$1261f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207121959.PAA11377@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K2 LOOPFEST Diary: Installment 1 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:02:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4dnQbC.A.aBC.WNDM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Y2K2 LOOPFEST Diary, Intallment 1 Hi, fellow loopers, I'm so excited and nervous about this festival that I'm having trouble sleeping so, after redoing the entrance posters and the signs instructing stage two artists to use the board mutes so that they can line check silently as the stage one artists perform at 3 a.m. I took a Melatonin and some stupid herbal 'sleep aid' and went to bed. Like clockwork, I just woke up, completely wide awake at 5:55 a.m. I decided to burn off some excess energy and start a tour diary. If this is the only installment, please forgive me, there is a lot of work to do in the next 48 hours or so. So, if you are bored to tears, sit back and let me ramble incoherently to you. If you are busy, I warn you, this is a waste of time: just erase it along with your other "Naked Furry Barnyard Animals" porn spam and be done with it. 5:55 a.m.: That number keeps coming up in my life: so much so that I frequently will look down at my watch in the middle of my 5 o'clock lessons (3 of them a week) and see my digital watch click onto 5:55:55. When this happens, I have taken to interupting the flow of the lesson and insisting that my student and I play 5 bars of 5/8 exactly and then continuing on. Long ago, my students have figured out that I am quirky and insane,so they don't even balk at such a non-sequitor and this has led many a student into a "what's this odd-time" thingee we just played and we jump off into a 3 month odd-time tangent in our lessons. Wow, I am nervous and excited: that was quite a tangent! LOL. The house is quiet and eery: strangely overclean and empty. My wife and I have been frantically cleaning in preparation for the festival and the onslaught of homeless loopers who may or may not need a place to crash. I'm not used to it. Normally the house is a chaotic mess (where I know where everything goes exactly). I've always jokingly described it as being like a world class ethnic instrument museum where the curator is some psychotic alchoholic in love with his job. I'm not an alcholholic by the way, but I like the image and it fits the visuals. Earlier, after burning the last of my new CD copies to have for sale at the festival, I drove to the San Francisco Airport to pick up fellow looper Michael Klobuchar who has the wonderful distinction of being the looper who has come the farthest way to participate (he's from Pittsburgh, for gosh sake!!!) and we then continued on into the Sunsest District of San Francisco to pick up the Festival T-shirts from Jason Gellis, an immensely talented young visual artist (and budding punk rock/celtic guitarist in his own right). The tees look fabulous!!!! I'm nervous that I won't sell all of them, but everyone has admonished me for not having more made up (I made 24). When the festival is over and if there are any left, I'll put them up for sale here at the website if anyone is interested. Michael and I have so many things to talk about, that the next couple of hours of driving go by quickly and we soon find ourselves at the Cayuga Vault (midnight), where we find Pete Coates (co-owner and Sunday performer) busy helping Alan Peevers of the FXTC crew hanging the video animation projector for the visuals tonight. Pete is amazing!!! He hand built a screen especially to accomodate this performance and was busy rewiring electrical sockets and installing an ingenious little projector 'hanger' that comes down from the ceiling. He and fellow owner, Linda Kimball have worked so hard to make this festival a smooth running operation!!! Michael and I then busy ourselved erecting the mighty STAGE TWO (you'll laugh when you see it...........mighty is not quite an adjective one would use if one weren't nervous and hyperbolic at 5:55 a.m.). Everything checks out and I rewire my setup for the gear demonstrations with Bill and Andre. David Fitzpatrick, my incredibly talented young student arrives and begins to set up his Darwin harddrive to record all of the stage two performances. Pete Coates (who is also a fine recording/live sound engineer in his own right) will be recording the STAGE ONE performances on his harddrive set up built into his massive mixing rack. Eilleen Sundet,another computer music student of mine will be handling the video documentation chores with her brand new and incredible digital camcorder. She took hand held shots of my recent looping demo for the PASIC (percussion arts society) festival here in Santa Cruz and I was amazed at the quality of the camera work and her intuitive grasp of filming. I mention all these people because we have 22 hours of documentation ahead of us which, if you stop to think of it, is a hell of a lot of work...............all for free...........all for the love of this wonderful community...........my heart just swells with gratitude when I think of what an incredible thing we are about to embark on. Michael Klobuchar rocks!!! He is as insane as I am and we just talk and talk (even after ordering obscenely large double bacon cheeseburgers at the local diner...............ahhhhh, that's why I can't sleep, I just put two and two together and got five fifty five!). I tell him about what a wierd and wonderful place Santa Cruz is and he tells me what a wierd and wonderful place Pittsburgh is. He has a hard time getting over our $1.99/gallon gas prices (He filled up at $1.29 before he left and I laugh at this piece of news..........wow between the atrocious dot.com greedy real estate rents and the gas gouging, I realize that we really get screwed here in northern california!). Then it's off home to check off the final checks on my big 'to do' sheet for the festival. I redo the signs on the computer, regretfully inform Suano Inami that I probably won't be able to upload MP3s of the festival in time for his Saturday world wide looping webcast. A shame and I realize that next time maybe I'll see if I can enlist someone's aid to simulcast the performances over the web..........anyone know how to do this? I'm a relative web newbies (I'm only 3 years old in that regard) and still haven't learned how to put up my own website (although I did get ambitious and purchase LooppooL.NFO). I realize that with all of this technology (from the looping gear to the computers and printers that have allowed me to make my own CD without the aid of a single record company, lawyer, business manager, graphic artist, distribution company or publicist) that we live in the most exciting time in the history of music. Michael and I marvelled at how any kid with a $1,000 computer can now make a record that would have cost $500,000 to make 15 or 20 years ago. It's astonighing really. I tell him, excitingly about the Repeater's ability to have it's loops 'played' by any midi instrument while the samples are time stretched in real time and the put the finishing touches on my battery powered portable looping rig and give him a demo. I have to acknowledge here, the inspiration from Papa Dave Potter and John Whooley who have both beaten me to the punch by constructing mobile looping rigs: Jeez, Papa Dave drives around in his car looping away and John has already been run off the mall twice by the police for his excursions into portable overtone singing/looping. My rig has a purple plastic portable speaker system that I bought for $10 at the local pubescent girls accesory shop in the mall. It is intended for hooking up one's portable CD player, but I have it velcroed onto a high school marching snare drum harness, replete with a little battery powered mixer (kluged onto my belt with the plastic from to CD cases held together by some plastic strap down locks), a battery powered BOSS "intelli shifter", through a DL-4 battery powered looper. I then have an AKG battery powered head set mic attached to this whole rig......The audible results are decidedly lo-tech and I still have to figure out how to control the feedback, but hey, what do you want for 2 a.m. in the morning. Well, the sun is rising and I"m going to make another vain attempt at sleep. Back to the venue at 12:30 and off we go. Hope I make it back for installment number two...........and, if anyone has actually read this far and wants to add another installment. please do. I have very fond memories of fighting Steve Lawson for computer time at 4 a.m. in the morning each night to add installments of our tour diary on TALKBASS.com after our exciting Bass Looping shows with Michael Manring and Max Valentino last year. I miss Steve and his finger nail polish and wonderful wit. He should be here at this festival. People should give him thousands of dollars to play his music all over the world................I smile as I suddenly realize...............they will......... in time. later, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 10:35:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10723; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:29:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c22a7a$3afc86c0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <20020713065443.12494.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: OT Re: looking for Fernandes guitar opinions Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:33:18 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" > Musician's Friend has the following Fernandes guitars > w/sustainer on sale...... > > Native Pro - $249.99 > Revolver Pro - $349.99 > Dragonfly Pro - $399.99 > > The Dragonfly has 3 pick-ups, so I assume it has > more tonal variety than the others when played > without the sustainer. > > The Revolver has a Floyd Rose trem, the other two > are described as having a "vintage" trem. snip > Hoping to hear from some users. I *also* would appreciate any info or opinions on the difference between the quality/usability of the Floyd Rose vs the "vintage" trem for these guitars. (I'm currently using a Divebomber modified Strat with the bridge screws loosened to "float" the bridge and have been very happy with the feel.) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 10:42:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11907; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:41:33 -0400 Subject: looking for Fernandes guitar opinions From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207130900.FAA10822@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Fernendes with sustainer, GK-2 and trem. The trem works ok (get's a little out of tune when I use it), the GK-2 and sustainer work well, but I have to say it's the cheapest feeling guitar I own. I also have a strat a les paul and a chapman stick. the fernendes feels like a piece of wood in my hands. but I like the sound of the guitar, so I put up with the feel of it. hope that helps a little. klowy (a.k.a. wrinklemuzik) nyc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 12:04:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23551; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:01:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:01:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <18c.a98cc5c.2a61a89a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:00:26 EDT Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: <7q5-a.A.mvF.96EM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, thanks very much for posting this. I've been interested in the D2 ever since it was announced, but have not had a chance to try it out (No one carries it locally). Regarding CC's and Feedback, I am wondering if feedback can be assigned to a CV pedal and swept without glitches in the audio. How about delay time? Can the D2 change delay time without changing pitch (via CV pedal)? Thanks, Marc In a message dated 7/13/02 3:16:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, armatronix@charter.net writes: > Subj: D-Two Looper Settings > Date: 7/13/02 3:16:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: armatronix@charter.net (Hans Lindauer) > Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Hi Gang- > > I've finally sat down for a few hours with my T.C. Electronics D-Two delay, > and figures out how to make it function as a simple MIDI-syncable looper > with overdub, multiply, and feedback control. It will do odd time > signatures, also. I'm using a Digitech PMC-10 MIDI footcontroller to send > commands, although you could use the front panel easily enough. Here's how > to do it: > > Set the unit to receive MIDI. This is under Setup - I set MIDI Sync to 1/1 > and Delay mode to Mono for extra time. > > Feedback is pretty self-explanatory. I set the PMC-10 up with CC (#50) > values of 127, 96, and 0 for 100%, 75%, and 0% feedback, respectively. You > can also use the knob on the front to adjust the feedback. > > Overdub uses the Bypass command. Set the Bypass Mode to "FX In" in > Setup. You can toggle the front panel button, or else send CC #20 with a > MIDI controller to create either a sustained or toggled overdub. You could > also leave it wide open if you want. > > Multiply is achieved via the user presets. I set the Subdivision to 1/16 > note, and programmed FB #1 to 32/16 at 0 dB for a two-measure loop, 16/16 > for one measure, 8/16 for 1/2 measure, etc., and saved each one to its own > preset. I set each ones' FB% to 100 so that 100% feedback would be the > default when calling up a preset. I also programmed Program Change > commands into the PMC-10 to allow me to switch easily between loop lengths. > > When you switch presets, there may be a very brief moment of silence. This > doesn't insert itself into the loop, fortunately. > > If anybody else has any good D-Two tricks, I'd be interested in hearing them. > > > Enjoy, > > -Hans > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 12:04:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23712; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:02:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:02:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:02:13 -0700 Subject: Re: loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <13182-3D2F7DAE-698@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want a Repeater, I say get one. Nothing really has changed, unless you were banking on a few of the bugs being dealt with at some point. IVL has promised full technical service, so it's not as if there will be no support. Frankly, when you think of it, how many devices have you purchased that have had multiple upgrades? I've had synths and drummachines for years that never progressed past 1.0 in their ROM version. SO. If you don't care about the slight "bump" (a few millisecond volume change at the beginning of your loop, only detectable when playing a sustained drone note with no dynamics. I never notice it) or the wonky MIDI clock output, the Repeater is still a fine choice for looping. Think of it this way. You're not going to have a chance to get one in the future, and I don't really see any companies releasing multitrack loopers any time soon. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 06:09 PM, William Mcallister wrote: > i've got a edp and have a reapter on layaway, hearing some > complications/problems on the reapter would it be better purchase a > keyboard instead of a repeater, or just get another edp. Some of the > rhythm's are` complicated and I would like to have them done ahead of > time then use the edp for live situation. Bill/las vegas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 12:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25811; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:17:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Learning How to use the EDP? Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:17:41 -0500 Message-ID: <012301c22a88$d00f7cf0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020712200444.021edf50@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, Thanks for the insights into using the EDP. Trying to decide how I will use the EDP can at least provide a starting point. I guess I was thinking I had to have a good understanding of all the different combinations of parameters first so that I would know which combination would work best for what I want to do. Sort of putting the cart before the horse. I am a sax player (tenor & soprano) and windcontroller player (WX5 & EWI). I play a selection of about 6 different synths with my EWI and use them for 3 primary areas for sound generation. First, I use them for acoustic emulations of various wind instruments (flutes, pipes, brass, etc.) and non wind instruments like strings (cello, violin, etc.), both solo and ensemble. Next, some of the sounds I produce are lead type synth voices using analog and fm. Finally, I use the synth rig for generating things a keyboard player might create like pads and other types of textures where I can fill in if a keyboard player isn't available or add to and enhance if one is. As for potential uses of the EDP, initially my thought was to create pad/drone textures which I could play over. One example of a very basic use would be when I play a bagpipes where I start a loop of one or several notes for the drone and then I play the chanter on my EWI over it. I can do this with my WX5 playing a single drone note, but felt the EDP would allow me to not only play my EWI (which doesn't have the same note hold feature of the WX5) but also create multiple note/chordal drones. I also really like a lot of what Jean Luc Ponty has done with violin and looping from a rhythmic standpoint. Also, I am not sure how I might use the EDP with my sax but maybe there might be some for it as well. As for audio routing, I am currently bringing everything into an Event Ezbus which gives me a lot of flexibility for my routing. However, with only one effects processor (Eventide Eclipse) I have been going back and forth between deciding to use it during the creation of the loops on the EDP or processing the loops after the EDP. I could actually see how nice it would be to select a preset on the Eclipse to process my loop creation and then change the routing and select another preset on the Eclipse that will process my overall sound and my solo playing over whats going on in the loop. But doing this all on the fly during a live gig is where it gets complicated. Thanks, M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Learning How to use the EDP? > > > Hi Steven- > > It will be a lot easier for people to answer these questions > for you if you > can help us understand more about you. How you might use the > Echoplex or > any other looper depends a lot on you, that is why there are no stock > answers for your questions. > > What do you wish to do with loops? What kind of music do you > play? How do > you play it and how do you see loops fitting into that? What > instrument do > you play, if any? What other gear are you using? What need > are you trying > to fill by getting a looper? The more you can answer these > questions the > more others can help you. (and probably you will gain a better > understanding of yourself in the process.) > > Looping is not a genre of music or something only done by one type of > musician, it is just a tool and a musical approach used by > many different > musicians with many different needs, in all styles of music. > Saying you are > a looper doesn't really tell us that much about you. We find > customers of > the EDP are all over the map, from regular blues musicians to > electronic > dance music producers to ambient players to wildly > experimental types to > whatever. It is really varied. If you just tell us that you > have an EDP we > can't tell if you are an old skool rapper trying to bring > your human beat > box routine into a live drum and bass context or a Fripp > wannabe trying to > make droney guitar layers into a soundscape. The "right" > answer for one > might be totally wrong for the other. > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 12:24:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26608; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:23:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:23:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:23:04 -0700 Subject: Re: one for the guitarists [sp.] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020713060523.36074.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <6yHPWD.A.UfG.tPFM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Put me down for a: Steinberger M series 6 string G&L Skyhawk 6 string Steinberger Q series bass. I love each of these babies. I traded the G&L in for an Ibanez with a locking floyd rose system, and I was physically sick about it for a month. Luckily, the shop I traded it in to, allowed me to trade back (less the cash I added) and it's been with me ever since. The Steinbergers are still my bread and butter guitars, though. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 11:05 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > --- Richard Zvonar wrote: >> Could you guys do me a favor and stop misusing >> apostrophes? >> >> It creeps me out. > > you tell'um perfesser, it creep's me out too! > > :) > > MIJ Fender Strat w/Kahler trem, bridge hot rail, > & Yamaha midi pick-up. > > Antoria LP copy w/Les-Trem & Roland GK2a. > > John > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 12:31:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27448; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:30:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:30:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020713091611.00b85d38@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:29:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings In-Reply-To: <18c.a98cc5c.2a61a89a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Marc- There is a 1/4" jack in the back of the unit for "External Control", but I couldn't find any mention of it in the manual. It could be for feedback control, delay time, tap tempo, who knows? The D-Two will change delay time without changing pitch using the front-panel knob. Check out TC Electronics' website - they've got all of the manuals and support Q&A online: http://www.tcelectronic.com/ -Hans At 09:00 13/07/2002, you wrote: > Hans, thanks very much for posting this. I've been interested in the D2 >ever since it was announced, but have not had a chance to try it out (No one >carries it locally). Regarding CC's and Feedback, I am wondering if feedback >can be assigned to a CV pedal and swept without glitches in the audio. How >about delay time? Can the D2 change delay time without changing pitch (via CV >pedal)? > Thanks, Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 13:08:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01072; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:07:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a401c22a8f$6c1c9e60$82d497c8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <20020712172958.82530.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:02:05 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com * 78 Fender Strat with Schecter birdeye neck totaly reshaped , Sperzel tunning machines , Schecter bridge , DiMarzio ''the chopper'' at bridge position , Lace Sensors Gold at middle n neck , TBX tone control for middle n neck pickups and mod for tone at bridge ...standard tunning ... * Dharma custom ( by brazilian luthier Jorge Augusto) tunned whole step down , mahogany semihollow chambered body , carved top , with Fender 78 maple neck ( totally reshaped with extra jumbo frets and upper frets scalloped) 2 Bartolini humbuckers , 5 position megaswitch for single/humbuckin work , TBX tone control , and Hipshot Trem Setter .... julio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 13:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01413; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:09:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:09:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c22a91$267324e0$8ccafea9@c340907b> From: "Tom Dauria" To: Subject: another one for the guitarists Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:17:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C22A56.78EF54E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C22A56.78EF54E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I've always been loopy, but I guess I just became a "looper" = recently partly because I've been having a hell of a time finding cool = people to play music with in Olympia, Washington. It's openning up alot = of new doors for me, I come from a kind of classic rock/ jam rock = background in high school and am trying to always expand my horizons. = Some of my favorite bands right now include Pink Floyd, Phish, = Radiohead, TOOL, and Gov't Mule. My loop stuff often sounds nothing = like these people though. Well, there's a brief introduction, let me = tell y'all about my rig Hamer Semi-Hollow Korina w/ JoeB Humbuckers -> crybaby or snarling dogs wah -> boomerang -> ts9 -> compressor -> nobels Overdrive special (w/ EQ, for nasty grit) -> RLinn Adrennalinn -> Repeater -> The Repeater and AndrenaLinn are controlled with a Behringer FCB = 1010. Right now in my home I have a Fender DeVille 4x10 on the right = rear side, and a THD UniValve in the center fed off the left channel. = The THD also chains a Fender Princeton on the left rear. The setup is = awesome, I am super pleased with it. I'm building an FX loops switcher = for the Boomerang, b/c with the trim setting at a level where the hot = humbuckers in my guitar don't clip the thing there is a lot of added = noise. Cheers! Tom D ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C22A56.78EF54E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all, I've always been loopy, but I = guess I just=20 became a "looper" recently partly because I've been having a hell of a = time=20 finding cool people to play music with in Olympia, Washington.  = It's=20 openning up alot of new doors for me, I come from a kind of classic = rock/ jam=20 rock background in high school and am trying to always expand my = horizons. =20 Some of my favorite bands right now include Pink Floyd, Phish, = Radiohead, TOOL,=20 and Gov't Mule.  My loop stuff often sounds nothing like these = people=20 though.  Well, there's a brief introduction, let me tell y'all = about=20 my rig
 
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crybaby or snarling dogs wah =20 ->
boomerang  ->
ts9 ->
compressor  ->
nobels Overdrive special (w/ EQ, for = nasty grit)=20 ->
RLinn Adrennalinn  = ->
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    The Repeater and=20 AndrenaLinn are controlled with a Behringer FCB 1010.  Right = now in my=20 home I have a Fender DeVille 4x10 on the right rear side, and a THD = UniValve in the center fed off the left channel.  The THD also = chains a=20 Fender Princeton on the left rear.  The setup is awesome, I am = super=20 pleased with it.  I'm building an FX loops switcher for the = Boomerang, b/c=20 with the trim setting at a level where the hot humbuckers in my guitar = don't=20 clip the thing there is a lot of added noise.  Cheers!
 
Tom D
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C22A56.78EF54E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 13:33:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04552; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: References: Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:46:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C22AA5.F6C56FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 17:32:56.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[536C97E0:01C22A93] Resent-Message-ID: <5or62C.A.3GB.nRGM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C22AA5.F6C56FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thats because 70's food is 30 yrs old! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Weissman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the food does today... -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Bannow [mailto:Nathan@giza.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" My tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one. = Don't know why...but it tastes better too! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Simonson [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Actually, this brings up something I've been curious about for a = while. Does ketchup have a direction? >>ducks<< -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread! personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood = how anyone could like ketcup ... mike -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: but it's not music. It's music apreciation. you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right? they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are = perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in = the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as = BPM matching, etc. But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else = also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be = said of DJ Shadow. Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music = IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could = be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track = present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of = virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional = musician can do the same But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon = what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the = process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as = it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the = audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within = where it goes or how it is dispersed. that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without = "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO. Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who = goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines = pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a = person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and = Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained = chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and = can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in = between ). But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at = Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make = to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely = kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there = and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large = portions it could give you a stomach ache:)=20 But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just = as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be = blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or = perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods = preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone = else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods = @ Lebec Fin? I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as = going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal = and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not? But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked. "cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that = combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back = again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted. and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or = etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at = it or place yourself as a musician. aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before = even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to = bring to bear toward all of that which has already been. I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" = than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times. I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record = in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters = regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- = sucking. in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I = made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i = think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those = statements but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? =20 That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious - = "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its = self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you = could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that = matter. & I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these = days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or = fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called = "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to = have a "significantly" & valid "musical" experience. My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross = check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations = and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or = learned to apply against all music(s).. It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one = would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that = something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you = would again really only be there listening for and looking for = affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or = message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you. This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from = the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying = Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as = saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( = http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am = paraphrasing ) : " Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" = and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music". Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment = as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their = aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their = performances and listening experience be "musical". They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be = anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much = all you can ever hope for IMHO. and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for = in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when = listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo. But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've = always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit = on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush = 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control = flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play = where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women = sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the = audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all = over the venue. i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done = something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ... guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% = musical in the process :).=20 "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20 http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C22AA5.F6C56FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thats because 70's food is 30 yrs = old!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul = Weissman=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 = 1:10=20 AM
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or=20 "Memorex"

Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better = than the=20 food does today...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Bannow=20 [mailto:Nathan@giza.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 = 2:49=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

My=20 tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state = one. =20 Don't know why...but it tastes better too!
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Simonson=20 [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us]
Sent: Wednesday, July = 10, 2002=20 4:07 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

Actually, this brings up something I've = been=20 curious about for a while.  Does ketchup have a=20 direction?
 
>>ducks<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael = LaMeyer=20 [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002=20 4:02 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is it = "Live" or=20 "Memorex"

aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's = really=20 muscians" thread!
 
personally, i've always really liked = mustard, and=20 never understood how anyone could like ketcup = ...
 
mike
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = AKASHMUSIC@aol.com=20 [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002 4:56=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

In=20 a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:


but it's not music.
It's music=20 apreciation.


you gotta be kiddin here when u say that=20 right?

they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as = that they=20 are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing = just=20 that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention = here -=20 such as BPM matching, etc.

But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play = with=20 Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just = "play with=20 music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.

Alll the = afortementioned=20 DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as = much as=20 Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical = regrdless as to=20 whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be = able to=20 obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as = much as=20 any other traditional musician can do the same

But The = experience=20 of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on = the=20 stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a = performer=20 takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the=20 intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of = that=20 connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is=20 dispersed.

that seems to be the way you can observe what is = happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story=20 IMHO.

Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the = person=20 who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who = combines=20 pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against = a person=20 who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and = Tres=20 expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly = trained chef's=20 who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can = apprach=20 cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between=20 ).

But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that = the food=20 at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you = could make=20 to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will = surely=20 kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have = there=20 and if especially so,  you were to eat those unhealthy dishes = in=20 large portions it could give you a stomach ache:)

But you = cant say=20 it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just  as much as = you can=20 not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or = enjoyable=20 becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it = came from=20 cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it = was put=20 on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and = who's to=20 say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?

I think = folks are=20 expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet = who are in=20 turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon = themselves=20 the status of chef...who cares & why not?

But from my = mind food=20 is food - be it cooked or uncooked.

"cooking" is just = passing food=20 along to another state as that combinations and and = re-combinations happen=20 all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever = lost=20 -only converted.

and the musical chain of events is never = one that=20 is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would = choose to=20 look at it or place yourself as a musician.

aint no new = notes as=20 miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin = it -=20 but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward = all of=20 that which has already been.

I also think how we perceive = music=20 most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or = play as=20 musicians most times.

I'm also gonna do some flip flopping = here as=20 that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta = things that=20 most of the posters regarding this subject have already said = concerning=20 canned music- sucking.

in recent days I have come to regret = those=20 dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc = as not=20 being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark = and regret=20 having made those statements

but hopefully we dont start = asking -=20 what is music? 

That "age old question" is more or = less the=20 most obvious -  "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time = and=20 energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts = from any=20 sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or = even=20 reject at that matter.

& I could care less ( as most = audiences=20 feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if = someone is=20 actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or = pushing some=20 so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have = affirmed for=20 me to have a "significantly" &  valid "musical"=20 experience.

My own personal experiences are valid without = needing=20 to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of=20 expectations and inferences I would & or could make & = perhaps may=20 have been given or learned to apply against all = music(s)..

It seems=20 like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end = up=20 looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a = certain=20 or particular way, says that in any case you would again really = only be=20 there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - = regardless as=20 to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not = have to=20 reveal to you.

This dialog makes me think of Something that = Weasel=20 Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock = troupe=20 The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to = the AEN=20 band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )...  the quote goes somethin like this ( = as i am=20 paraphrasing ) :

" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - = cuz=20 they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied = with=20 music".

Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty = is in=20 that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play = music"=20 despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those = who demand=20 their performances and listening experience be = "musical".

They (=20 COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other = than=20 what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can = ever hope=20 for IMHO.

and i think thats all I happen to ever actively = observe=20 look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the = performer=20 or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.

But = this "is=20 it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & = still do=20 really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well = adorned=20 stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living = room -=20 where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my = "john=20 price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm = on the=20 couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's = champagne=20 Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and = me=20 and...vice versa  on video screens. all over the = venue.

i=20 think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done = something=20 quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...

guess = i need=20 to go & do it  but i think it would be fun and 100% = musical in=20 the process :).

     "Remember To = Always Kill=20 Your=20 = Expectations"
         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 = JP/AKASH
          &= nbsp; =20 "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20 =
           &nb= sp;       =20 = http://www.akashmusic.com
       &n= bsp;           =20 http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


<= /FONT> ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C22AA5.F6C56FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 14:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12012; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:11:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:11:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:10:49 -0500 Subject: midi thru box Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com suggestions for midi thru boxes? the midiman 1x4 and midi solutions quadra thru look good... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 14:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13312; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:19:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:19:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: midi thru box Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:17:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 18:18:58.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[C17F8D40:01C22A99] Resent-Message-ID: <23FFa.A.RPD.x8GM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i used to use a philip rees eight way unit no problems with that thru's were selectable in banks of four from either one of two inputs needed a 9v power supply though ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: midi thru box > suggestions for midi thru boxes? the midiman 1x4 and > midi solutions quadra thru look good... > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 14:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13782; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:23:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D306FD9.F67E98BA@turino.ch> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:22:16 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: jesus@turino.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds like my grandad -> everything was better in the past

mark francombe wrote:

Thats because 70's food is 30 yrs old!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:10 AM
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"
 Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the food does today... 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Bannow [mailto:Nathan@giza.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:49 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"
 
My tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one.  Don't know why...but it tastes better too!
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Simonson [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"
 
Actually, this brings up something I've been curious about for a while.  Does ketchup have a direction?>>ducks<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:02 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"
 
aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread!personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood how anyone could like ketcup ...mike
-----Original Message-----
From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"
 
In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:
 
 
but it's not music.
It's music apreciation.

you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right?

they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc.

But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.

Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the same

But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is dispersed.

that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO.

Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between ).

But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so,  you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:)

But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just  as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?

I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not?

But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked.

"cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted.

and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician.

aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already been.

I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times.

I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking.

in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those statements

but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music?

That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious -  "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter.

& I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" &  valid "musical" experience.

My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all music(s)..

It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you.

This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )...  the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) :

" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music".

Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their performances and listening experience be "musical".

They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO.

and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.

But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa  on video screens. all over the venue.

i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...

guess i need to go & do it  but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :).

     "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
                                  JP/AKASH
             "The World's Most Erotic Band"
                    http://www.akashmusic.com
                    http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
 
 

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 14:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14602; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3071ED.52248E59@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:31:14 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott McGregor Moore , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT looking for guitar opinions.... References: <20020713065443.12494.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> <005501c22a7a$3afc86c0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott .. The Floyd Rose bridge is the most expressive and reliable.... I have one on a custom modified Charvel by Jackson electric guitar. It has the string locks at the nut and at the bridge where you have to remove the ball ends and use an allen wrench to lock down the strings. There are also fine tuners at the bridge so that you don't have to unlock at the nut very often. I can dive at will and be extremely expressive without fear of losing tune. It does take more time to set up ....but it is well worth it. The following is from www.guitarsrule.com : “A fixed bridge doesn't move. A Floyd Rose bridge uses a lock nut and no string ends while a Wilkinson bridge is closer to a "vintage" bridge in operation. Usually a Wilkinson will employ locking tuning pegs and a graphite nut as part of the setup as well. Each has its own special purpose... The fixed bridge is the most stable, allowing you to use different tunings. The Floyd Rose allows you to "dive bomb" and "pull-up" without fear of going out of tune. A Wilkinson bridge gives more flexibility to a standard design. With a Floyd Rose bridge, the ball ends are removed and are held by a string holder block, similiar to a vise. This, combined with the lock nut, means the only part of the string being stretched is from nut to bridge.. hence the term "double locking". A Floyd 2 bridge uses the ball ends of the strings... it's only "single locking", as there is no vise locking system at all. Because of this, sometimes the ball ends can stretch and affect tuning slightly. The Floyd Rose 2 is a less expensive and maintainance friendly bridge... you'll see them on beginner/intermediate guitars.” -- gary @friendlyspider.com Scott McGregor Moore wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Tidwell" > > > Musician's Friend has the following Fernandes guitars > > w/sustainer on sale...... > > > > Native Pro - $249.99 > > Revolver Pro - $349.99 > > Dragonfly Pro - $399.99 > > > > The Dragonfly has 3 pick-ups, so I assume it has > > more tonal variety than the others when played > > without the sustainer. > > > > The Revolver has a Floyd Rose trem, the other two > > are described as having a "vintage" trem. > snip > > Hoping to hear from some users. > > I *also* would appreciate any info or opinions > on the difference between the quality/usability > of the Floyd Rose vs the "vintage" trem for these guitars. > > (I'm currently using a Divebomber modified Strat > with the bridge screws loosened to "float" the bridge > and have been very happy with the feel.) > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 14:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18382; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:53:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:53:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:53:27 -0500 Subject: Re: midi thru box Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com adapter = no good. the two units i mentioned both need no external power source, which is a bonus. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 15:30:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25109; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:29:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: midi thru box Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: <012e01c22aa3$9edc0390$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, I have both the Midiman USB Midisport 2x2 and the Merge 2x2 and although they both have jacks for power, I have never had to use the power connection and they have operated very well. They are small and I can velcro them to the inside of my rack. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: midi thru box > > > adapter = no good. > > the two units i mentioned both need no external power > source, which is a bonus. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 15:33:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25733; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:32:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: midi thru box Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:33:05 -0500 Message-ID: <012f01c22aa4$1c04b970$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0rewF.A.YRG.UBIM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another source you might look into are the ones by MidiSolutions. I don't think they require power either. Their link is: http://www.midisolutions.com/ M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: midi thru box > > > adapter = no good. > > the two units i mentioned both need no external power > source, which is a bonus. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 15:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27111; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:40:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:40:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c22aa5$a1bd3fa0$7e8efc9e@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: Subject: Re: midi thru box Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:43:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used two midi solutions quadra merge boxes for at least three years and never had any problems. The thru box I imagine would work just as well. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: midi thru box > suggestions for midi thru boxes? the midiman 1x4 and > midi solutions quadra thru look good... > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 13 21:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06298; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:25:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:25:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:25:17 -0700 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: OT: Is the music scene better in Europe? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <012f01c22aa4$1c04b970$420e88cf@stevespc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've noticed lately, that allot of my favorite musicians have been spending more time touring Europe and seemingly less time in the States. Maybe it's just perception, but is the live music scene and music appreciation just better in Europe? From what I gather, the Europeans appear to be a bit more adventurous in the music they listen to. Also, the civic support for musical events seems to be better and more varied than in the U.S. This is not to say that there isn't support for interesting and experimental music in the U.S.... Perhaps in Europe the support is wider and more lucrative? ------------------------------------------ Greg Kucharo- mutantaudio.com "Evil never dies, but copyrights expire" -Firesign Theatre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 01:31:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24099; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:29:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:29:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c22af7$f7f4cee0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents dropfile + Pholde Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:33:22 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com * Please note - Matt Borghi will not be able to travel from Detroit to perform this Tuesday so we're happy to be able to "drop" the very cool new microsound/dub duo, dropfile, into the crowded Ping schedule and present this intriguing double-bill of bowed steel soundsculptures from Pholde and the two laptop manipulators of dropfile. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 16th - dropfile and Pholde (Knurl) dropfile began as an abstract broken-beat dub microsound alter ego for Neil Wiernik (aka naw) a little over a year ago. Neil has recently been joined by the very talented Jakob Thiesen to complete the sound and vision of the project. Their maiden performance together recently took place at the OM festival as the two wooed the audience with their own special brand of broken-beat dub-oriented abstract ambience. Neil Wiernik - http://cec.concordia.ca/Radio/Long/Wiernik.html Jakob Thiesen - http://www.theambientping.com/thiesen/home.html Opening the night is Pholde, the ambient soundscape project of Alan Bloor, who is also known for his extreme noise project, Knurl. All of Alan's sounds are created from bowing and striking his unique steel sculptures which are then treated through guitar effects pedals. (Alan will have CDs available of some of his Pholde releases.) Pholde - http://www.theambientping.com/pholde/home.html Between Sets CD - "Rainbow Dome Musick" (side 2) by Steve Hillage Side 2 of this classic musical sound environment album features the "gliss guitar" of Hillage who gained fame with the band Gong in the 70's & who helms the System 7 techno project in the present. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 23rd - Robert Hoare with cheryl o Rob Hoare - http://www.robhoare.de cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient and experimental performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 02:24:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27009; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020714062304.72186.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Re: OT: Is the music scene better in Europe? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-76402518-1026627784=:70363" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-76402518-1026627784=:70363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greg, I'm not familiar with your music yet, but... Back in my street music days, I did a lot better in the good ol' US of A than in Europe. I also played festivals/theatres with a multi-ethnic dance troupe in Germany - it went well but I believe we were best recieved in the States. Of course there is no 21 drinking age in Europe so the club scene doesn't suffer like it does here. I get the sense that Techno is huge in Europe, and while the same is probably true in San Fran, here in the heartland, people still want to hear "real" music played by humans. It depends on what you are doing... For grants you could check into your state's arts council...but ultimately, I think you want popular support for your music...perhaps, re-think and work on your marketing and/or product! I've always had the belief that you need to conquer home first before you go off...I've seen too many people leave little Madison, WI bitching about the (actually pretty good) music scene here to become rock stars in say, Seattle or Austin - before they had built up a solid fan base here - only to come back with their tails between their legs and start over. On the other hand, if there is a scene that you want to collaborate with or immerse yourself in for artistic or spiritual growth, or you have a gig waiting...well, that's a great reason to go...I'm working to set up some stuff in Israel soon...there is some pretty amazing music coming out of that tiny little country packed full of immigrants from a hundred different countries. Jamming with international cats in Mexico on the beach was one of the most amazing experiences... Finally, at the risk of offending my good European brothers and Sisters out there, while I met some great folks, I found the overall vibe to be a little more snooty and the US to be more down home/relaxed (could it have been the American flag I had hanging from my as*?)....On the other hand, that may bode well for experimental music. Snooty people tend to pretend to enjoy and understand that sort of thing...Otherwise you are only playing for the other musicians who really do enjoy and understand it... Hope this is helpful Bradley Greg Kucharo wrote: I've noticed lately, that allot of my favorite musicians have been spending more time touring Europe and seemingly less time in the States. Maybe it's just perception, but is the live music scene and music appreciation just better in Europe? >From what I gather, the Europeans appear to be a bit more adventurous in the music they listen to. Also, the civic support for musical events seems to be better and more varied than in the U.S. This is not to say that there isn't support for interesting and experimental music in the U.S.... Perhaps in Europe the support is wider and more lucrative? ------------------------------------------ Greg Kucharo- mutantaudio.com "Evil never dies, but copyrights expire" -Firesign Theatre --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-76402518-1026627784=:70363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Greg, I'm not familiar with your music yet, but...

Back in my street music days, I did a lot better in the good ol' US of A than in Europe. I also played festivals/theatres with a multi-ethnic dance troupe in Germany - it went well but I believe we were best recieved in the States. 

Of course there is no 21 drinking age in Europe so the club scene doesn't suffer like it does here.

I get the sense that Techno is huge in Europe, and while the same is probably true in San Fran, here in the heartland, people still want to hear "real" music played by humans. It depends on what you are doing...

For grants you could check into your state's arts council...but ultimately, I think you want popular support for your music...perhaps, re-think and work on your marketing and/or product!

I've always had the belief that you need to conquer home first before you go off...I've seen too many people leave little Madison, WI bitching about the (actually pretty good) music scene here to become rock stars in say, Seattle or Austin - before they had built up a solid fan base here - only to come back with their tails between their legs and start over. 

On the other hand, if there is a scene that you want to collaborate with or immerse yourself in for artistic or spiritual growth, or you have a gig waiting...well, that's a great reason to go...I'm working  to set up some stuff in Israel soon...there is some pretty amazing music coming out of that tiny little country packed full of immigrants from a hundred different countries. Jamming with international cats in Mexico on the beach was one of the most amazing experiences...  

Finally, at the risk of offending my good European brothers and Sisters out there, while I met some great folks, I found the overall vibe to be a little more snooty and the US to be more down home/relaxed (could it have been the American flag I had hanging from my as*?)....On the other hand, that may bode well for experimental music. Snooty people tend to pretend to enjoy and understand that sort of thing...Otherwise you are only playing for the other musicians who really do enjoy and understand it...    

Hope this is helpful

Bradley

  Greg Kucharo <telecaster@mac.com> wrote:

I've noticed lately, that allot of my favorite musicians have been
spending more time touring Europe and seemingly less time in the States.
Maybe it's just perception, but is the live music scene and music
appreciation just better in Europe?
From what I gather, the Europeans appear to be a bit more adventurous
in the music they listen to. Also, the civic support for musical events
seems to be better and more varied than in the U.S.
This is not to say that there isn't support for interesting and
experimental music in the U.S....

Perhaps in Europe the support is wider and more lucrative?


------------------------------------------
Greg Kucharo-
mutantaudio.com
"Evil never dies, but copyrights expire"
-Firesign Theatre


Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-76402518-1026627784=:70363-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 04:27:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06364; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 04:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 04:26:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Is the music scene better in Europe? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:25:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oy... i have asked myself this question dozens of times. i'm moving to berlin in six months or so, i'll send some reports. the thing that really gets me is the relaxed atmosphere they have regarding venues... what the hell is with the whole 2am thing here, huh? in general, europe has always appeared to be more receptive to the arts. look at all the jazz cats that were so warmly welcomed in places all over europe! but i'm sure it has its quirks. i was in barcelona, berlin and london not too long ago. they all seemed pretty awesome for going out to see stuff, although... definitely better for electronic/dj stuff in london. but that's what i was there for mainly. anyone living there feel like giving us their thoughts? i'm definitely curious... paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Is the music scene better in Europe? > > > I've noticed lately, that allot of my favorite musicians have been > spending more time touring Europe and seemingly less time in the States. > Maybe it's just perception, but is the live music scene and music > appreciation just better in Europe? > From what I gather, the Europeans appear to be a bit more adventurous > in the music they listen to. Also, the civic support for musical events > seems to be better and more varied than in the U.S. > This is not to say that there isn't support for interesting and > experimental music in the U.S.... > > Perhaps in Europe the support is wider and more lucrative? > > > ------------------------------------------ > Greg Kucharo- > mutantaudio.com > "Evil never dies, but copyrights expire" > -Firesign Theatre > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 04:27:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06360; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 04:26:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 04:26:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C22AD5.574D0060" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C22AD5.574D0060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in case anyone is interested... i'm selling some vintage food on ebay. -----Original Message----- From: mark francombe [mailto:mark_francombe@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Thats because 70's food is 30 yrs old! ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Weissman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the food does today... -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Bannow [mailto:Nathan@giza.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" My tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one. Don't know why...but it tastes better too! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Simonson [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" Actually, this brings up something I've been curious about for a while. Does ketchup have a direction? >>ducks<< -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians" thread! personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never understood how anyone could like ketcup ... mike -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex" In a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: but it's not music. It's music apreciation. you gotta be kiddin here when u say that right? they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM matching, etc. But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow. Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the same But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is dispersed. that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO. Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between ). But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give you a stomach ache:) But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin? I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not? But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked. "cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted. and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician. aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already been. I also think how we perceive music most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times. I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking. in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those statements but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music? That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter. & I could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid "musical" experience. My own personal experiences are valid without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all music(s).. It seems like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you. This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) : " Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with music". Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their performances and listening experience be "musical". They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO. and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo. But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens. all over the venue. i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ... guess i need to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :). "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" JP/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C22AD5.574D0060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
in=20 case anyone is interested... i'm selling some vintage food on = ebay. =20
-----Original Message-----
From: mark francombe=20 [mailto:mark_francombe@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 13, = 2002=20 10:46 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

Thats because 70's food is 30 yrs=20 old!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul = Weissman=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 = 1:10=20 AM
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or=20 "Memorex"

Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better = than the=20 food does today...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Bannow=20 [mailto:Nathan@giza.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 = 2:49=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"

My tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid = state=20 one.  Don't know why...but it tastes better = too!
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Simonson = [mailto:ksimonso@icc.state.il.us]
Sent: Wednesday, July = 10, 2002=20 4:07 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is it = "Live" or=20 "Memorex"

Actually, this brings up something I've = been=20 curious about for a while.  Does ketchup have a=20 direction?
 
>>ducks<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael = LaMeyer=20 [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July = 10, 2002=20 4:02 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Is it = "Live"=20 or "Memorex"

aha!!  it's the annual "are DJ's = really=20 muscians" thread!
 
personally, i've always really liked = mustard,=20 and never understood how anyone could like ketcup=20 ...
 
mike
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = AKASHMUSIC@aol.com=20 [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, = 2002=20 4:56 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Is it = "Live"=20 or "Memorex"

In a message = dated 7/10/2002=20 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com=20 writes:


but it's not music.
It's music=20 apreciation.


you gotta be kiddin here when u say = that=20 right?

they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as = that they=20 are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially = doing just=20 that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention = here -=20 such as BPM matching, etc.

But DJ Spooky doesnt just = "play with=20 Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just = "play=20 with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.

Alll the=20 afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and = were=20 musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be = considered=20 musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present = or not=20 IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as = a=20 possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician = can do the=20 same

But The experience of music is not just focused or = dependent=20 upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based = upon the=20 process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as = much as=20 it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the = audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there = within=20 where it goes or how it is dispersed.

that seems to be = the way=20 you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the = way of=20 the music's story IMHO.

Its also sorta kinda like the = difference=20 between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - = Chinese=20 Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say = contrast=20 that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin = - ( 12=20 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's = best=20 and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years = studuying the=20 culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles -=20 experiemntal-classical, and in between ).

But what you = guys are=20 saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt = even food (=20 though there are arguments you could make to that effect = concerning all=20 u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if = you eat=20 the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially = so, =20 you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it = could give=20 you a stomach ache:)

But you cant say it isnt "food" = they are=20 eating @ Buddha king just  as much as you can not say that = the=20 experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue = they=20 didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans = and all=20 that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a = plate=20 for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to = say they=20 arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?

I think folks = are=20 expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet = who are=20 in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring = upon=20 themselves the status of chef...who cares & why = not?

But from=20 my mind food is food - be it cooked or = uncooked.

"cooking" is=20 just passing food along to another state as that combinations = and and=20 re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as = nothing or no=20 enegery is ever lost -only converted.

and the musical = chain of=20 events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter = where you=20 or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a=20 musician.

aint no new notes as miles once said and its = all been=20 done before even before you begin it - but you can have an = original=20 perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has = already=20 been.

I also think how we perceive music most times says = more=20 about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most = times.

I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that = i am on=20 record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most = of the=20 posters regarding this subject have already said concerning = canned=20 music- sucking.

in recent days I have come to regret = those=20 dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers = etc as not=20 being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark = and=20 regret having made those statements

but hopefully we dont = start=20 asking - what is music? 

That "age old question" is = more or=20 less the most obvious -  "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where = the=20 time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- = dialog=20 detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, = hate,=20 love, want or even reject at that matter.

& I could = care less=20 ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too = could care=20 less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and = tweaking=20 knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want = and or=20 need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" = &  valid=20 "musical" experience.

My own personal experiences are = valid=20 without needing to cross check them against my own database or = anyone=20 eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could = make=20 & perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against = all=20 music(s)..

It seems like with all those expectations.of = validity=20 where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the = knowldge=20 that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any = case you=20 would again really only be there listening for and looking for=20 affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or=20 message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to=20 you.

This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel = Walter=20 from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe = The=20 Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference = to the AEN=20 band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )...  the quote goes somethin like this = ( as i am=20 paraphrasing ) :

" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck = - cuz=20 they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied = with=20 music".

Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty = is in=20 that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play = music"=20 despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those = who=20 demand their performances and listening experience be=20 "musical".

They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with = having=20 to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and = thats=20 pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO.

and i think = thats all=20 I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance = context be=20 it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my = bedrooom or on=20 my car stereo.

But this "is it live or memorex" talk also = reminds=20 me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show = where I just=20 show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a = very ornate=20 and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a = remote=20 control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are = on random=20 play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous = women=20 sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - = watchinmg the=20 audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa  on video = screens. all over the venue.

i think the pet shop = boys,.erasure=20 or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that=20 effect...I'm rambling again ...

guess i need to go & = do=20 it  but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the = process :).=20

     "Remember To Always Kill Your=20 = Expectations"
         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 = JP/AKASH
          &= nbsp; =20 "The World's Most Erotic Band" =20 =
           &nb= sp;       =20 = http://www.akashmusic.com
       &n= bsp;           =20 http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C22AD5.574D0060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 05:57:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10430; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:56:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:56:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c22b1c$9ab61ca0$cf64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207131823.OAA13956@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K2 LOOOPFEST diary: Installment Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:55:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi fellow loopers, Well it's 2:21 a.m. and the festival has been incredible!!! I"m in my kitchen with Larry the "O" (who had a really nice set with Gary Hall today), Matt Davignon and Michael Klobuchar. We should be sleeping because we hit it again hard tomorrow for the last 11/12 hours of looping madness. Gary and Ted Killian and Jon Wagner (who had a very cool percussive looping exploration) are out sleeping in the garage which is clean for the first time in history. It feels so great being part of this community. There was so much creativity on display tonight. A couple of people broke their live solo looping virginity (Logan Kroeber, the youngest amongst us and Eric Oberthaler who had a beautiful set----one an wonderful high tech trumpeter he is)and then there were incredible sets from Amy X Neuburg ___who tore the house down with her incredible set of vocal looping--- funny; intense; scary and completely thought provoking......I think she probably had the most 'talked about' set of the entire day. We also had a wonderful lecture by Richard Zvonar on the history of Looping. I was excited to hear him say that he plans on formally writing it up and, I hope, publishing it in some form. We also had demos by my brother Bill Walker (Electrix Repeater) and Andre LaFosse (on the intensely powerful and deep and elegant Loop IV software for the Echoplex) and me (Line 6 DL 4)....a cassette looping performance by proto-looper Ramon Sender and a cool panel discussion (which was too brief due, unfortunately, to our having run behind in our 12 hour schedule). I'm exhausted and it's time to sleep!!!! More to come..........anyone else with some impressions? One incredible note: All the loopers made this show incredible with their strong sense of community and solidarity: Everybody was helpful. Everybody busted ass to get on and off stage very quickly. I had half a dozen people come up to me and ask if they could go get me food (since I was MC, stage cop, and performer demoer and could not really ever leave)...........I felt so supported and appreciated. ......and the t-shirts sold like hot cakes......there are only two left!!!! A lot of artists sold a lot of CDs and that was gratifying and we had a healthy crowd the whole day. Good night.............sleep tight yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 07:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16100; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <20020714062304.72186.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Is the music scene better in Europe? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:01:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C22B3F.002EDB40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 11:48:24.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C2DB550:01C22B2C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C22B3F.002EDB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking as someone who has toured extensively all over the US and = Europe, which my ex-group Cranes, I must stick my oar in here...The two = continents ARE different thats for sure, but I would not like to = generalize as which was better. I myself prefered playing in the US but = to be honest i think that was largely because I, as a European felt more = "abroad" and the sites of America (long staight roads, drive-in = McDonalds, Motels, Disneyland) are what we in Europe want to go and see! = Europe is home so to speak. However. To the musical differences. US: Largely comprising "Little black Hole" Punk rock clubs with BADDD = PA.s (often mono, often only 2 way monitors) Terrible dressing rooms, = always Pizza and Deli tray was the food.Did i say bad beer? Bad beer! PLUS Sides... OH Many!!! Audience there without doubt "To have a good = time" Dancing wild ker-razy people, who made us feel at all times, = welcome and happy! (slight feeling that possibly they are maybe not = judgemental enough, certainly got the feeling that "we were cool just = cos we were from the UK???" But ALWAYS fun, jumped into the crowd often, = people came onstage to dance, EUROPE: Often council funded "arts center" style venues, great sound, = proffesional crew, Dressing rooms COULD vary, however food was often = COOKED, or given money to eat out. Great BEER! (Check DNA bar Brussels, = 150 diff beers pheww!!) Audiences are ALSO there to have a good time = sure, but definately an atmosphere of cross-armed serious people with a = " GO ON, IMPRESS ME!" attitude, you have to work hard with em. This = kinda slacker seattle attidute just aint good enough, you gotta be = slick, smooth breaks between songs. Chatting to the crowd??? nope, = they'll chat to you afterwards if they wanna talk. Rambled enough... any other views? Need I say that all of the above can be interspersed with liberal = sprinkling of ...."IMHO's" Ha det,=20 Mark Red ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bradley Fish=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: Re: OT: Is the music scene better in Europe? Greg, I'm not familiar with your music yet, but...=20 Back in my street music days, I did a lot better in the good ol' US of = A than in Europe. I also played festivals/theatres with a multi-ethnic = dance troupe in Germany - it went well but I believe we were best = recieved in the States. =20 Of course there is no 21 drinking age in Europe so the club scene = doesn't suffer like it does here.=20 I get the sense that Techno is huge in Europe, and while the same is = probably true in San Fran, here in the heartland, people still want to = hear "real" music played by humans. It depends on what you are doing...=20 For grants you could check into your state's arts council...but = ultimately, I think you want popular support for your music...perhaps, = re-think and work on your marketing and/or product!=20 I've always had the belief that you need to conquer home first before = you go off...I've seen too many people leave little Madison, WI bitching = about the (actually pretty good) music scene here to become rock stars = in say, Seattle or Austin - before they had built up a solid fan base = here - only to come back with their tails between their legs and start = over. =20 On the other hand, if there is a scene that you want to collaborate = with or immerse yourself in for artistic or spiritual growth, or you = have a gig waiting...well, that's a great reason to go...I'm working to = set up some stuff in Israel soon...there is some pretty amazing music = coming out of that tiny little country packed full of immigrants from a = hundred different countries. Jamming with international cats in Mexico = on the beach was one of the most amazing experiences... =20 Finally, at the risk of offending my good European brothers and = Sisters out there, while I met some great folks, I found the overall = vibe to be a little more snooty and the US to be more down home/relaxed = (could it have been the American flag I had hanging from my as*?)....On = the other hand, that may bode well for experimental music. Snooty people = tend to pretend to enjoy and understand that sort of thing...Otherwise = you are only playing for the other musicians who really do enjoy and = understand it... =20 Hope this is helpful=20 Bradley=20 Greg Kucharo wrote:=20 I've noticed lately, that allot of my favorite musicians have been spending more time touring Europe and seemingly less time in the = States. Maybe it's just perception, but is the live music scene and music appreciation just better in Europe?=20 From what I gather, the Europeans appear to be a bit more = adventurous in the music they listen to. Also, the civic support for musical = events seems to be better and more varied than in the U.S. This is not to say that there isn't support for interesting and experimental music in the U.S.... Perhaps in Europe the support is wider and more lucrative? ------------------------------------------ Greg Kucharo-=20 mutantaudio.com "Evil never dies, but copyrights expire" -Firesign Theatre -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C22B3F.002EDB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Speaking as someone who has toured = extensively all=20 over the US and Europe, which my ex-group Cranes, I must stick my oar in = here...The two continents ARE different thats for sure, but I would not = like to=20 generalize as which was better. I myself prefered playing in the US but = to be=20 honest i think that was largely because I, as a European felt more = "abroad" and=20 the sites of America (long staight roads, drive-in McDonalds, Motels,=20 Disneyland) are what we in Europe want to go and see! Europe is = home so to=20 speak.
 
However. To the musical = differences.
 
US: Largely comprising "Little black = Hole" Punk=20 rock clubs with BADDD PA.s (often mono, often only 2 way monitors) = Terrible=20 dressing rooms, always Pizza and Deli tray was the food.Did i say bad = beer? Bad=20 beer!
PLUS Sides... OH Many!!! Audience there = without=20 doubt "To have a good time" Dancing wild ker-razy people, who made us = feel at=20 all times, welcome and happy! (slight feeling that possibly they are = maybe not=20 judgemental enough, certainly got the feeling that "we were cool just = cos we=20 were from the UK???" But ALWAYS fun, jumped into the crowd often, people = came=20 onstage to dance,
 
EUROPE: Often council funded "arts = center" style=20 venues, great sound, proffesional crew, Dressing rooms COULD vary, = however food=20 was often COOKED, or given money to eat out. Great BEER! (Check DNA bar=20 Brussels, 150 diff beers pheww!!) Audiences are ALSO there to have a = good time=20 sure, but definately an atmosphere of cross-armed serious people with a = " GO ON,=20 IMPRESS ME!" attitude, you have to work hard with em. This kinda slacker = seattle=20 attidute just aint good enough, you gotta be slick, smooth breaks = between songs.=20 Chatting to the crowd??? nope, they'll chat to you afterwards if they = wanna=20 talk.
 
Rambled enough... any other = views?
 
Need I say that all of the above can be = interspersed with liberal sprinkling of ...."IMHO's"
 
Ha det,
 
Mark Red
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bradley Fish
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 = 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Is the music = scene=20 better in Europe?

Greg, I'm not familiar with your music yet, but...=20

Back in my street music days, I did a lot better in the good ol' US = of A=20 than in Europe. I also played festivals/theatres with a=20 multi-ethnic dance troupe in Germany - it went well but = I=20 believe we were best recieved in the States. =20

Of course there is no 21 drinking age in Europe so the club scene = doesn't=20 suffer like it does here.=20

I get the sense that Techno is huge in Europe, and while the same = is=20 probably true in San Fran, here in the heartland, people still want=20 to hear "real" music played by humans. It depends on what you are = doing...=20

For grants you could check into your state's arts = council...but=20 ultimately, I think you want popular support for your music...perhaps, = re-think and work on your marketing and/or product!=20

I've always had the belief that you need to conquer home first = before=20 you go off...I've seen too many people leave little Madison, WI = bitching=20 about the (actually pretty good) music scene here to become rock stars = in say,=20 Seattle or Austin - before they had built up a solid fan = base here -=20 only to come back with their tails between their legs and start = over. =20

On the other hand, if there is a scene that you want to collaborate = with or=20 immerse yourself in for artistic or spiritual growth, or you have = a gig=20 waiting...well, that's a great reason to go...I'm working  = to set up=20 some stuff in Israel soon...there is some pretty amazing music coming = out of=20 that tiny little country packed full of immigrants from a hundred = different countries. Jamming with international cats in = Mexico on=20 the beach was one of the most amazing experiences...  =20

Finally, at the risk of offending my good European brothers and = Sisters out=20 there, while I met some great folks, I found the overall vibe to = be a=20 little more snooty and the US to be more down home/relaxed (could it = have been=20 the American flag I had hanging from my as*?)....On the other hand, = that may=20 bode well for experimental music. Snooty people tend to pretend to = enjoy and=20 understand that sort of thing...Otherwise you are only playing for the = other=20 musicians who really do enjoy and=20 understand it...    =20

Hope this is helpful=20

Bradley=20

  Greg Kucharo <telecaster@mac.com> wrote: = I've=20 noticed lately, that allot of my favorite musicians have = been
spending=20 more time touring Europe and seemingly less time in the = States.
Maybe=20 it's just perception, but is the live music scene and = music
appreciation=20 just better in Europe?
From what I gather, the Europeans appear = to be a=20 bit more adventurous
in the music they listen to. Also, the civic = support=20 for musical events
seems to be better and more varied than in the = U.S.
This is not to say that there isn't support for interesting=20 and
experimental music in the U.S....

Perhaps in Europe = the=20 support is wider and more=20 = lucrative?


------------------------------------------
Greg = Kucharo-
mutantaudio.com
"Evil never dies, but copyrights=20 expire"
-Firesign Theatre


Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Autos - = Get free=20 new car price quotes ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C22B3F.002EDB40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 08:33:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18807; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:32:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cb01c22b32$b66dbf00$fe474ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Is the music scene better in Europe? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:33:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've noticed lately, that allot of my favorite musicians have been > spending more time touring Europe and seemingly less time in the States. > Maybe it's just perception, but is the live music scene and music > appreciation just better in Europe? > From what I gather, the Europeans appear to be a bit more adventurous > in the music they listen to. Also, the civic support for musical events > seems to be better and more varied than in the U.S. > This is not to say that there isn't support for interesting and > experimental music in the U.S.... > > Perhaps in Europe the support is wider and more lucrative? Greg, I think it's just that foreigners are more exotic and interesting... seriously, I find it really hard to get gigs in London, and much much easier in Calfornia - partly cos people will come out to see 'the guy from England', whereas in London, 'the guy from Southgate' doesn't really have the same quality to it... :o) There is a scene over here, but it's pretty narrowly defined - if you're not weird enough, one crowd won't book you, if you're not jazz enough, another crowd won't book you, etc. etc... If you're a solo bassist who plays nice tunes mixed in with FSU-electronica influenced stuff (just wait for my next album... :o) then you've got no chance... ..although, changes are afoot - watch this space for groovy news of rather big tour for me in the not too distant future... sorry, I'm rambling. The scene is what you make it - go to Santa Cruz and Rick Walker IS the scene - not because he fits the scene, but because he created his own, with over 25 years of seriously hard work and creativity. He's a huge inspiration to me to stop complaining about the scene here in London and start to try and create my own space... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 12:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32252; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c22b55$a27b4f80$5bebbfa8@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: Subject: Repeater clicking sound Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:43:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C22B1A.F4820160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8GwE4B.A.h3H.shaM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C22B1A.F4820160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, my Repeater is making this low-level "ticking" sound out of the = right channel when it plays back off of a Simpletech 128 mb CFC. It's = definitely not the metronome, and it can't be heard during initial = recording. It's very annoying, has anyone else had this problem? = Also, what's up with the MIDI clock out? Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C22B1A.F4820160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all, my Repeater is making this = low-level=20 "ticking" sound out of the right channel when it plays back off of a = Simpletech=20 128 mb CFC.  It's definitely not the metronome, and it can't be = heard=20 during initial recording.  It's very annoying, has anyone else had = this=20 problem?   Also, what's up with the MIDI clock = out?

Tom
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C22B1A.F4820160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 13:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02841; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:19:30 -0500 From: Skip Subject: Re: Repeater clicking sound In-reply-to: <006701c22b55$a27b4f80$5bebbfa8@TommyD> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA02803 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard it....drives me crazy. I don't know of any solution though. The MIDI clock signal is a tiny bit unstable (+ or - .5 BPM)...not _that_ much of a problem, but a HUGE pain in the ass if you're syncing delays. I just got a MoFX and I was so psyched about syncing it up to the Repeater. Unfortunately the MoFX has a pitch shifting algorithm to simulate analog delays (for when you change delay speed), and when the clock jitters... your delay's pitch warbles. I tried to sync up to Pro Tools Free on my iBook, but it jittered too...you could see it on the tempo display of the Repeater. I've sort of assumed that with all the processing going on in the Repeater, the clock gets behind and then it has to speed up to stay on beat. That's just my guess. -12 On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 11:43 AM, Tom Dauria wrote: > Hey all, my Repeater is making this low-level "ticking" sound out of > the right channel when it plays back off of a Simpletech 128 mb CFC.  > It's definitely not the metronome, and it can't be heard during initial > recording.  It's very annoying, has anyone else had this problem?   > Also, what's up with the MIDI clock out? > > Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 14:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:41:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c22b66$ebfed440$69ebfc9e@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater clicking sound Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:47:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_6o6B.A.BzB.sWcM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, that clock jitter is a major pain in the ass.... it seems like it should be able to stay steady, it's just a MIDI click, basically.... oh well.... it basically renders my time-syncing stuff unusable as well, at least if I give a crap at all about the quality. That ticking sound is pretty LAME too. Are you using a Simpletech CFC? It doesn't do it when I playback off of internal mem. T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Repeater clicking sound > I've heard it....drives me crazy. > I don't know of any solution though. > > The MIDI clock signal is a tiny bit unstable (+ or - .5 BPM)...not > _that_ much of a problem, but a HUGE pain in the ass if you're syncing > delays. > > I just got a MoFX and I was so psyched about syncing it up to the > Repeater. > > Unfortunately the MoFX has a pitch shifting algorithm to simulate analog > delays (for when you change delay speed), and when the clock jitters... > your delay's pitch warbles. > > I tried to sync up to Pro Tools Free on my iBook, but it jittered > too...you could see it on the tempo display of the Repeater. > > I've sort of assumed that with all the processing going on in the > Repeater, the clock gets behind and then it has to speed up to stay on > beat. > > That's just my guess. > > -12 > > > On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 11:43 AM, Tom Dauria wrote: > > > Hey all, my Repeater is making this low-level "ticking" sound out of > > the right channel when it plays back off of a Simpletech 128 mb CFC. > > It's definitely not the metronome, and it can't be heard during initial > > recording. It's very annoying, has anyone else had this problem? > > Also, what's up with the MIDI clock out? > > > > Tom > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 17:08:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17442; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:07:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:07:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:16:37 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005e01c22b7b$bee8e120$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020713091611.00b85d38@pop.charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that the "external control" is for a footpedal that can control bypass and tap and that's it. I don't think that you can change these parameters. But, there is a MIDI implementation guide on the TC website and pretty much every parameter can be controlled via midi, so a MIDI footpedal could be set to modulate feedback. BTW, I love my D2 and will be another when I can get one for the right price. ----- Original Message ----- From: "armatronix" To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings > Hi Marc- > > There is a 1/4" jack in the back of the unit for "External Control", but I > couldn't find any mention of it in the manual. It could be for feedback > control, delay time, tap tempo, who knows? > > The D-Two will change delay time without changing pitch using the > front-panel knob. > > Check out TC Electronics' website - they've got all of the manuals and > support Q&A online: http://www.tcelectronic.com/ > > -Hans > > > At 09:00 13/07/2002, you wrote: > > Hans, thanks very much for posting this. I've been interested in the D2 > >ever since it was announced, but have not had a chance to try it out (No one > >carries it locally). Regarding CC's and Feedback, I am wondering if feedback > >can be assigned to a CV pedal and swept without glitches in the audio. How > >about delay time? Can the D2 change delay time without changing pitch (via CV > >pedal)? > > Thanks, Marc > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 17:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17699; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:11:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:11:57 -0500 Subject: repeater clock jitter, was repeater clicking sound From: Eric Williamson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c22b66$ebfed440$69ebfc9e@TommyD> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i only have issues with the repeater clock jitter when i'm using an unstable clock source. i've found that clock drift out of my Electribe ER-1 is +/-.2bpm, and out of my macintosh (with the old MOTU serial MIDI Express) is =/-.1bpm the clock out of a Roland SBX-10 sync box is almost ALWAYS .1bpm slower than what the display on the unit says, and the clock out of the TR-909 is ALWAYS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT spot on. but my ears generally can't tell the difference Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 17:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18273; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:23:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:23:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: repeater clock jitter, was repeater clicking sound Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:23:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c22b7c$a97a5160$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes- but can you sync the ER-1 to the Repeater's internal clock and not get any tempo delay warbles on the ER-1? I don't think the issue is how the Repeater handles incoming clock but the clock that it generates. Cliff > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 2:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: repeater clock jitter, was repeater clicking sound > > i only have issues with the repeater clock jitter when i'm using an > unstable > clock source. > > i've found that clock drift out of my Electribe ER-1 is +/-.2bpm, and out > of > my macintosh (with the old MOTU serial MIDI Express) is =/-.1bpm > > the clock out of a Roland SBX-10 sync box is almost ALWAYS .1bpm slower > than > what the display on the unit says, and the clock out of the TR-909 is > ALWAYS > ONE HUNDRED PERCENT spot on. > > but my ears generally can't tell the difference > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 17:49:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19162; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:47:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c22b80$9e493000$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: mpx1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:41:49 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to buy a very good all-around effects processor under 1000$. I was considering the Lexicon MPX-1. Anyone using it? What are your opinions? Thanks. Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@turk.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 18:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20990; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:00:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:01:15 -0500 Subject: Re: repeater clock jitter, was repeater clicking sound From: Eric Williamson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c22b7c$a97a5160$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/14/02 4:23 PM, Om_Audio at Om-Studios@Om-Studios.com wrote: > Yes- but can you sync the ER-1 to the Repeater's internal clock and not > get any tempo delay warbles on the ER-1? I don't think the issue is how > the Repeater handles incoming clock but the clock that it generates. oh. my bad ... Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 18:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22690; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:46:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:46:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c22b88$e0873860$52ebbfa8@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: References: Subject: Re: repeater clock jitter, was repeater clicking sound Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:50:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <23jmdC.A.ngF.V9fM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, my problem is when using the Repeater AS the clock source to control other time-based effects. The jitter seems to cause a substantial, audible chatter and garbage to come through my Rlinn Adrennalinn. Perhaps if I controlled both with a high-quality clock it would allevitate the problem. T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: repeater clock jitter, was repeater clicking sound > i only have issues with the repeater clock jitter when i'm using an unstable > clock source. > > i've found that clock drift out of my Electribe ER-1 is +/-.2bpm, and out of > my macintosh (with the old MOTU serial MIDI Express) is =/-.1bpm > > the clock out of a Roland SBX-10 sync box is almost ALWAYS .1bpm slower than > what the display on the unit says, and the clock out of the TR-909 is ALWAYS > ONE HUNDRED PERCENT spot on. > > but my ears generally can't tell the difference > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 21:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00955; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:28:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <98.28c81778.2a637f0f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:27:43 EDT Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anthony, thanks for this info. From what I have read, the max delay time on the D2 is 10 seconds mono. I am guessing that the max time stereo would therefore be 5 seconds. Is this true? Can you still do overdub looping at 10 seconds mono? Does engaging any of there other onboard effects have an impact on the max delay time? Thanks, Marc In a message dated 7/14/02 5:07:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pantonio@pacbell.net writes: > I think that the "external control" is for a footpedal that can control > bypass and tap and that's it. > > I don't think that you can change these parameters. > > But, there is a MIDI implementation guide on the TC website and pretty much > every parameter can be controlled via midi, so a MIDI footpedal could be set > to modulate feedback. > > BTW, I love my D2 and will be another when I can get one for the right > price. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 14 23:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09649; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:49:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:48:49 -0700 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Y2K2 Loopfest: One Day Review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <98.28c81778.2a637f0f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Resent-Message-ID: <_EfPbC.A.eUC.oYkM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey that was allot of fun! Aside from the fact that everyone seemed to have a technical problem at the beginning of each set, the efforts were all great. Hans Lindauer also treated everyone to multiple costume changes in the space of 10 minutes. Thanks to Rick Walker for putting this on! ------------------------------------------ Greg Kucharo- mutantaudio.com "Evil never dies, but copyrights expire" -Firesign Theatre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 00:47:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13541; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:46:41 -0500 Subject: Howdy again. From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am selling my Boomerang Phrase Sampler Plus on ebay ... Thought I'd let y'all know since you're the loopiest folks I've ever encountered ... =) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=893950302 It's like new, and I've set a buying price at $300. Take a look if you're interested. Thanks! Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 01:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16592; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:21:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:21:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020715052041.49668.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: A request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207140957.FAA10489@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd really appreciate if you guys could be kind of to trim your posts so as to not needlessly reitereate stuff from the post you're responding to. There's been an excessive number of digests lately because a certain extremely long post has been unnecessarily reposted numerous times by certain individuals when responding to each other. I think it's generally considered polite to edit such things when responding to a previous e-mail. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 01:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16886; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:24:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater clicking sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1FEF63BA-97B3-11D6-811F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA16833 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not the unstable midi clock. Most midi clocks have a bit of jitter. There's something weird going on at the beginning of the loop. Sucks. Maybe it will be fixed in the 1.2 OS... Oh yeah, I forgot, there won't be one. Do you're self a favor and use a different device for your midi clock. (I used the output of the AdrenaLinn this weekend in Santa Cruz... that is until the cable fell out during the performance, and then it just got "loose" Never heard the click you're describing. Are you sure your gain structure is good? Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 10:19 AM, Skip wrote: > I've heard it....drives me crazy. > I don't know of any solution though. > > The MIDI clock signal is a tiny bit unstable (+ or - .5 BPM)...not > _that_ much of a problem, but a HUGE pain in the ass if you're syncing > delays. > > I just got a MoFX and I was so psyched about syncing it up to the > Repeater. > > Unfortunately the MoFX has a pitch shifting algorithm to simulate > analog delays (for when you change delay speed), and when the clock > jitters... your delay's pitch warbles. > > I tried to sync up to Pro Tools Free on my iBook, but it jittered > too...you could see it on the tempo display of the Repeater. > > I've sort of assumed that with all the processing going on in the > Repeater, the clock gets behind and then it has to speed up to stay on > beat. > > That's just my guess. > > -12 > > > On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 11:43 AM, Tom Dauria wrote: > >> Hey all, my Repeater is making this low-level "ticking" sound out of >> the right channel when it plays back off of a Simpletech 128 mb CFC.  >> It's definitely not the metronome, and it can't be heard during >> initial recording.  It's very annoying, has anyone else had this >> problem?   Also, what's up with the MIDI clock out? >> >> Tom > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 01:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17282; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:31:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:31:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:30:45 -0700 Subject: (AdrenaLinn BUG) was Re: repeater clock jitter, was repeater clicking sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000d01c22b88$e0873860$52ebbfa8@TommyD> Message-Id: <02F124F2-97B4-11D6-811F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, that's NOT the Repeater. It's a BUG of the AdrenaLinn! Contact them, and they'll send you new ROMS and it will go away. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 03:50 PM, Tom Dauria wrote: > Yea, my problem is when using the Repeater AS the clock source to > control > other time-based effects. The jitter seems to cause a substantial, > audible > chatter and garbage to come through my Rlinn Adrennalinn. Perhaps if I > controlled both with a high-quality clock it would allevitate the > problem. > T > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Williamson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 2:11 PM > Subject: repeater clock jitter, was repeater clicking sound > > >> i only have issues with the repeater clock jitter when i'm using an > unstable >> clock source. >> >> i've found that clock drift out of my Electribe ER-1 is +/-.2bpm, and >> out > of >> my macintosh (with the old MOTU serial MIDI Express) is =/-.1bpm >> >> the clock out of a Roland SBX-10 sync box is almost ALWAYS .1bpm slower > than >> what the display on the unit says, and the clock out of the TR-909 is > ALWAYS >> ONE HUNDRED PERCENT spot on. >> >> but my ears generally can't tell the difference >> >> Eric Williamson >> www.suitandtieguy.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 04:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26827; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D328229.E7921AA0@turino.ch> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:04:56 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: jesus@turino.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: emancipate bass (was: Re: Is the music scene better in Europe?) References: <00cb01c22b32$b66dbf00$fe474ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you're a solo bassist who plays nice
> tunes mixed in with FSU-electronica influenced stuff (just wait for my next
> album... :o) then you've got no chance...

huum .... an emancipate bassplayer.
how many of us are on this list ... & what do you work with?

real jesús From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 04:08:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26991; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:07:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:07:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3282C1.301693BD@turino.ch> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:07:28 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: jesus@turino.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam References: <00cb01c22b32$b66dbf00$fe474ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com  
July, 31th, 11pm.

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  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 05:43:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31451; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:42:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:42:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c22be3$b8d2f9c0$2364f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207140624.CAA27092@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K2 LOOPFEST: tour diary Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:40:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW, what can I say. The loopfest was phenomenal all day today and now it is over. I am so psychotically tired that I will write about it all tomorrow, after the final Loopers Brunch and driving Michael Klobuchar back to the airport (sadly) to fly back to Pittsburgh (that's in South Carolina, right?) I promise. sweet dreams. over and over and over and over and over and over and over and out................. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 06:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02165; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:18:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:18:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: mpx1 & mpx500 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:17:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002101c22b80$9e493000$0200a8c0@erdem> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <7mEv8.A.qh.pFqM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone have experience with both or either of these? (also) curious to hear what anyone has to say... > -----Original Message----- > From: erdem helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@turk.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 2:42 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: mpx1 > > > I would like to buy a very good all-around effects processor > under 1000$. I > was considering the Lexicon MPX-1. Anyone using it? What are your > opinions? > > Thanks. > > Erdem Helvacioglu > erdemhel@turk.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 06:58:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03502; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:57:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:57:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mpx1 & mpx500 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:55:50 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200207151255.50947.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday 15 July 2002 12:17, Paul Weissman wrote: > anyone have experience with both or either of these? (also) > curious to hear what anyone has to say... I have an MPX-G2 and looked for an additional box for extra reverb. I loooove the G2, especially the great reverb and looong delay (20 secs mono, 10 secs stereo). Tried the MPX500 and the MPX1. The MPX500 sounds different, the algo's are not identical to the G2. It's nice but different and imo of a lower quality. The 500 produces LOTS of noise, however, revealed when the lowpass filter is opened. The noise was too much for me. The MPX1 sounds very much like the G2, which isn't a surprise, as the G2 was based on the MPX1, but updated with 24-bit hardware (ADDA), and with added guitar effects of course. The interface of the MPX1 is similar to the G2. The reverb algos are identical and produce the same character. The noise level is similar to that of the G2 (good, imo). However, the aged ADDAs of the MPX1 could clearly be heard when listening to the reverb tail. Using an exactly same algo on both machines (a 10 sec hall), the MPX1 introduced conversion noise at about 60% of the tail, while the G2 stayed clean all the way. Especially for ambient productions, where I have stuff *swimming* in my G2 reverb, the MPX1 would introduce way too much artifacts. So even the mighty MPX1 could not meet my requirements, which was a big surprise for me. I finally got an TC M-one, which I'm starting to like more and more. It has a *very* different reverb character (cleaner, more open and neutral), but it sounds good. And when I find a second-hand MPX-G2 I'll buy it right away. - Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 08:07:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09125; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:06:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:06:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:02:24 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00d801c22bd5$f5d683e0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <98.28c81778.2a637f0f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8Op3JD.A.AOC.KqrM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 5 sec stereo; 10 sec mono. You are right. "Overdubbing" is not quite the right concept with the D-2 b/c it's not really a true looper. I believe that the feedback rate controls how quickly something decays, so if it's at 100% it's like setting the JamMan at 16 in echo mode, in which case you can overdub. So "overdubs" are possible, I guess, and it won't affect sample time. I don't really think of the D2 as having onboard effects, but I guess the chorus, spatial, ping pong options fall in that category.... Oh yeah, there are also some basic filters. Yup, those are effects all right. Using these options does not effect the delay time. This thing doesn't shine as a looper, I don't think. Mostly, I use it to tap a tempo and syncopate a rhythm in 1/4. or 1/4T or something weird. You can also tap in a rhythm and really mess up a 4/4 drum machine pattern. It is clean and awesome and very easy to program. I also use it with Cubase quite a bit. B/c you can set things like "bypass" to different parameters, I use MIDI to trigger precisely certain parameters or easily sync to clock. And w/ the S/PDIF I/O, I often track with the D2 all digital. I just bought a Control Freak Live, so I'm stoked about controlling multiple D2 parameters via knobs rather than menus in a live setting. Being a "non-musician" music maker, I have spare hands (most times). It really is a great box. I'm not sure it's a "looper" though ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings > Anthony, thanks for this info. From what I have read, the max delay time > on the D2 is 10 seconds mono. I am guessing that the max time stereo would > therefore be 5 seconds. Is this true? Can you still do overdub looping at 10 > seconds mono? Does engaging any of there other onboard effects have an impact > on the max delay time? > Thanks, Marc > > In a message dated 7/14/02 5:07:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > pantonio@pacbell.net writes: > > > I think that the "external control" is for a footpedal that can control > > bypass and tap and that's it. > > > > I don't think that you can change these parameters. > > > > But, there is a MIDI implementation guide on the TC website and pretty much > > every parameter can be controlled via midi, so a MIDI footpedal could be > set > > to modulate feedback. > > > > BTW, I love my D2 and will be another when I can get one for the right > > price. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 08:32:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10237; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:31:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:31:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.101.51.79] From: "richard dyson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater ticking sound Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:30:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 12:30:22.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[63A77620:01C22BFB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrix Lisa told me it was unfortunate, but yes there is some noise using the cfc. electrix solution - inputs to rptr up, indiv track levels on rptr up, level on receiving device set to about 60%. it sorta fixes it, but you know it is there, not good for a tool marketed as a prof studio instrument. probably a stupid question - what would it take to turn the headphones volume control into a wet/dry effects mix? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 11:31:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23583; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:30:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:30:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c22c14$ed9c3280$70ecbfa8@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: References: <1FEF63BA-97B3-11D6-811F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater clicking sound Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:33:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, my gain structure is solid. The click only happens when I record directly to the CFC and then playback. If I record to internal mem and then copy it to the CFC, it's fine. I'll double check, but I think it only happens when I record in Stereo to the CFC and then playback. Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 11:42:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24226; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:41:18 -0700 Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d801c22bd5$f5d683e0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/15/02 1:02 AM, Anthony Justman at pantonio@pacbell.net wrote: > "Overdubbing" is not quite the right concept with the D-2 b/c it's not > really a true looper. I believe that the feedback rate controls how quickly > something decays, so if it's at 100% it's like setting the JamMan at 16 in > echo mode, in which case you can overdub. So "overdubs" are possible, I > guess, and it won't affect sample time. That would probably match the definition of feedback from the EDP. If you can deal with a little math, I'm pretty sure that the EDP and the D2 would both be computing: new_loop_content = new_material + old_loop_content * feedback The cool thing about the D2 is that you could presumably also use the filters as part of the feedback process so that the signal not only got quieter as it repeated but lost some of its frequency content. (Oooh. I just had the vision of a "morphable feedback" for a looper. At 0% it just gets rid of the old content. At 100% it keeps the old content unchanged. At intermediate settings it could implement a variety of decay functions. This could just be a matter of doing things like saying that the high-frequency feedback is equal to the feedback squared so that the high frequencies drop off faster. Not that you can do this on any loopers that I am presently aware of.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 11:53:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24776; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:47:15 -0700 Subject: Re: mpx1 & mpx500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <228A6084-980A-11D6-811F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check the recent archives. We went on about them a lot. Both good units. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 03:17 AM, Paul Weissman wrote: > > anyone have experience with both or either of these? (also) curious to > hear > what anyone has to say... > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: erdem helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@turk.net] >> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 2:42 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: mpx1 >> >> >> I would like to buy a very good all-around effects processor >> under 1000$. I >> was considering the Lexicon MPX-1. Anyone using it? What are your >> opinions? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Erdem Helvacioglu >> erdemhel@turk.net >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 12:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27416; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:14:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:14:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:13:43 -0700 Subject: remove From: Larry Stites To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com remove From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 12:27:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28189; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:27:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <92.28c98f95.2a64518d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:25:49 EDT Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. Thanks very much for the additional info. For a long time I used a Digitech RDS 7.6 and I added a Jamman to it later. I really enjoyed using the RDS 7.6 more than the Jamman. At the time the RDS 7.6 came out it was a Looping Delay. It worked on the same principal of using 100% feedback to infinitely sustain whatever was recorded into it. It did also have an infinite repeat button. Does the D2 have one? When the infinite repeat button was engaged, the input was muted so you could play over whatever was looping, without adding to the loop. When you disengeaged the inifinite repeat button, you were free to add to the loop again. Anyway, although the standard has changed a lot for loopers these days, I still consider the RDS 7.6 a looper, just not a fancy one. So I am guessing that the D2 can function as a simple looper. BTW, if you use a 10 second Delay (mono) does the D2 only output on one channel? Thanks again, Marc In a message dated 7/15/02 8:06:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pantonio@pacbell.net writes: > 5 sec stereo; 10 sec mono. You are right. > > "Overdubbing" is not quite the right concept with the D-2 b/c it's not > really a true looper. I believe that the feedback rate controls how quickly > something decays, so if it's at 100% it's like setting the JamMan at 16 in > echo mode, in which case you can overdub. So "overdubs" are possible, I > guess, and it won't affect sample time. > > I don't really think of the D2 as having onboard effects, but I guess the > chorus, spatial, ping pong options fall in that category.... Oh yeah, there > are also some basic filters. Yup, those are effects all right. > > Using these options does not effect the delay time. > > This thing doesn't shine as a looper, I don't think. Mostly, I use it to > tap a tempo and syncopate a rhythm in 1/4. or 1/4T or something weird. You > can also tap in a rhythm and really mess up a 4/4 drum machine pattern. It > is clean and awesome and very easy to program. > > I also use it with Cubase quite a bit. B/c you can set things like "bypass" > to different parameters, I use MIDI to trigger precisely certain parameters > or easily sync to clock. And w/ the S/PDIF I/O, I often track with the D2 > all digital. > > I just bought a Control Freak Live, so I'm stoked about controlling multiple > D2 parameters via knobs rather than menus in a live setting. Being a > "non-musician" music maker, I have spare hands (most times). > > It really is a great box. I'm not sure it's a "looper" though From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 12:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28805; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:29 -0400 Subject: Repeater FS From: David Myers To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know, odd timing for this--most probably I should hold on to it and watch the price climb. But I'm suddenly in a crunch and have barely touched this new Repeater, so need the cash. Latest OS and a 256 MB card. Original box, manual, etc. Have had it powered up about two hours, home only. I know I'm gonna regret this. Musician's Friend and Nova Musik are now out of them, so it looks like rarity is right around the corner if not here already. The card must go with it, so consider that if you make an offer. I'll probably look for a figure near to what I paid; Repeater was 500 and card 130. Also have a *brand new* Peavy PC 1600X MIDI fader controller and a *very* minty Lexicon LXP-15 II up for grabs. Best to email me offlist, thanks... David Lee Myers dmgraph@pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 12:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29973; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:56:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:56:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: "Plex" Questions Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:10:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just got the "Plex"...I've been using the Boss RC-20. I'm having some problems and wanted to ask these questions.... 1) I have to press the mute button twice each time (start/stop) to get it to function instantaneously. Other wise there is a delay in the time it activates which makes it not useable for me. 2) When I overdub the part does not come in right away and instead this "ooo" comes up in the display and then the part comes in a bar or two later. 3) Can you Y-Cord footswitches together? 4)I do a one-man-jamband where I loop West African percussion, bass, guitars, guitar synth and vocals in real time at all my gigs (4-6 shows a week) and I am wondering what the best/quickest way to loop songs with verse/chorus sections? I would appreciate any experienced "Plex" Master's input!!!! Thank you!! -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com (not of "Love") Yeah...it's my real name...so please no "Love" fan comments. ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 13:08:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31905; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:06:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:06:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:06:03 -0700 Message-Id: <200207151706.g6FH63G02217@mail4.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [140.233.70.138] From: "murkie !" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Whatever it is, I got it bad. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, many of us here are aware of Gear Aquisition Syndrome but my problem is slightly different. Is anyone else out there constantly reconfiguring their rig? Not adding new stuff, just rearranging/repatching in search of...? "Now it's pre-fader, now it's not..." > >This may stem from the treatment I was undergoing for G.A.S. Anytime I was tempted by a piece of gear I would ask myself "Do I already own someting that will do the same thing if I alter my set-up or program it?" And so it began. > >And I'm still suffering from a bout of monorigneurosis (the inabillity to play without a stereo - or in my case three-way - setup). > >m.c. > > > > >Mark Christensen > >http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.htm Mark Christensen http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Big Heavy World at http://www.bigheavyworld.com, Vermont's music 24/7. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 13:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01904; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:45:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:45:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c22bf4$9116a470$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: "Plex" Questions Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:41:27 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ummm...i'm pretty sure all of those issues are covered in the manual. check the quantize function for the mute issues. you can usually find the answers to your questions in one of two places: the manual and the archive. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 14:03:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04462; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:02:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:02:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: "Plex" Questions Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:05:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It definitely sounds like you've accidentally put the EDP into quantize mode. Just re-boot the Echoplex with the Parameters button pressed until it is fully on. Then re-boot it again with no buttons pressed. It should now be at factory defaults and your mute and overdub will work instantaneously. -----Original Message----- From: ARTHUR LEE MUSIC [mailto:arthurlee@arthurleemusic.com] Sent: 15 July 2002 18:11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "Plex" Questions Hi, I just got the "Plex"...I've been using the Boss RC-20. I'm having some problems and wanted to ask these questions.... 1) I have to press the mute button twice each time (start/stop) to get it to function instantaneously. Other wise there is a delay in the time it activates which makes it not useable for me. 2) When I overdub the part does not come in right away and instead this "ooo" comes up in the display and then the part comes in a bar or two later. 3) Can you Y-Cord footswitches together? 4)I do a one-man-jamband where I loop West African percussion, bass, guitars, guitar synth and vocals in real time at all my gigs (4-6 shows a week) and I am wondering what the best/quickest way to loop songs with verse/chorus sections? I would appreciate any experienced "Plex" Master's input!!!! Thank you!! -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com (not of "Love") Yeah...it's my real name...so please no "Love" fan comments. ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 14:54:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07511; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:53:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:53:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012601c22c30$32090720$e13d5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #277 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:47:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-KkFT.A.I1B.2oxM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #277 July 11, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at midnight was "Energy" on the Deep Sky label. Plus, the show ran an extra hour, just because it could! The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Body Love Vol. 2" by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label. Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Moogetique Body Love Vol. 2 (Brain) Vir Unis and Kinetic Center Thermal Transfer (Binary) Saul Stokes Vir Unis and Stroboscopic Thermal Transfer (Binary) Saul Stokes Vir Unis and Replicants in Orbit Thermal Transfer (Binary) Saul Stokes Ministry of Inside Set One * Soundscapes Concert #2 (none) Things Ron Boots Forgotten Memories Liquid Structures in Solid Form (Groove) 12:00 am Robert Carty Up from the Depths Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Rolling View Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Contemplating Horizon Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Moving Towards You Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Evening Vibrations Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Energy Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty New Touch Energy (Deep Sky) 1:00 am VA [Kubusschnitt] Vantage Trick Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) VA [Dave Fulton] Falling Away Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) VA [Synthetic Block] Flash of Attention Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) Paul Ellis Drifting Shards from Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) an Ice Floe Paul Ellis Luminous Depths in a Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) Sapphire Sea Paul Ellis Suspended Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) Paul Ellis The Underground River Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) VA [Detlef Keller] Different Faces Rehearsal First Decade (Manikin) Dino Pacifici untitled * special cdr (none) 2:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Carty. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Midnight Rainbows" on the Deep Sky label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Aqua" by Edgar Froese on the Brain label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 14:54:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07506; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:53:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:53:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:54:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2B2E4600005D24@mta08.san.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA07405 Resent-Message-ID: <1AG2MC.A.8zB.coxM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to pass on my appreciation to all those who participated in this amazing event! :) So many great musicians! An almost flawless flow between sets! And damn good cookies... hehe... Everyone was great, but I wanted to mention some performances which stick out in my mind: day 1 : Matt Davignon, Amy X, Tom Heasley, and Bill Walker day 2 : Pete Coates, Zoe Keating, Tim Crowe, John Whooley, DVB, and, of course, Rick Walker I'm looking forward to the next one! -cpr p.s. no, I'm not Kim, I just have a similar hair-doo... heh.. ;-p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 15:04:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09493; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020715190312.27555.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater clicking sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1FEF63BA-97B3-11D6-811F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Never heard the click you're describing. Are you sure your gain > structure is good? I haven't heard that on mine either, but I have heard a couple of people complain about it before. Check the Repeater forum on www.electrixpro.com for some discussion there, maybe the Repeater Users yahoogroup too. As I remember, things to check are: the switch for line/phono input, the CFC, your gain structure (as Mark suggested), use of balanced/shielded cabling (didn't understand the balanced part, since the Repeater is unbalanced, but I seem to remember one person claiming it helped with their problem (?). Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 15:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11385; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:40:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3324C6.D0396FAC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:48 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! References: <3D2B2E4600005D24@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a great time mostly TALKING to you folks. Performances were all good, but let's face it, none of us are "Kiss," though few could deny that Hans is the Cher of Looping with all his costume changes. I think I got the most out of seeing other's people's approaches, and tools. Fun. These events are great because they cement the looping "scene" that I guess we're apart of. We should try harder to get together, Loopfests or not. Maybe we should form a N. Cal Loopers Coalition. I notice that few of us (myself included) go to each other's gigs. Perhaps we should try and form a more united front, which could only serve to bring a wider audience to what we're doing. Regardless as to if something "official" happens, I'm going to endeavor to try and be better about dragging my tired bones out to more loop shows. I'd also like to take this time to scold Gary Lehman, as I woke up at 5:00 AM this morning and couldn't get Todd Rundgren's "Wailing Wall" out of my head! CURSE YOU GARY! Oh, and by the way, I think it was Chris Roberts that recommended the Brookdale Lodge to me and Gary as a good place to stay in Santa Cruz, and if so, I would never trust Chris' word again. The Brookdale Lodge was probably the worst dump I've ever stayed in, and I encourage all to avoid it like the plague. What were you thinking Chris? Why did you want to hurt me? Mark Sottilaro Chris Roberts wrote: > Just wanted to pass on my appreciation to all those who participated in > this amazing event! :) So many great musicians! An almost flawless flow > between sets! And damn good cookies... hehe... > > Everyone was great, but I wanted to mention some performances which stick > out in my mind: > > day 1 : Matt Davignon, Amy X, Tom Heasley, and Bill Walker > day 2 : Pete Coates, Zoe Keating, Tim Crowe, John Whooley, DVB, and, of > course, Rick Walker > > I'm looking forward to the next one! > > -cpr > > p.s. no, I'm not Kim, I just have a similar hair-doo... heh.. ;-p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 15:42:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11455; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:41:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:41:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c22c38$025f83c0$98ebfc9e@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: References: <20020715190312.27555.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater clicking sound Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:44:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thinking that it's probably related to the CFC since it does not happen to the internal mem playback. I wrote Electrix a letter, I'll keep y'all posted. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Repeater clicking sound > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Never heard the click you're describing. Are you sure your gain > > structure is good? > > I haven't heard that on mine either, but I have heard a couple of > people complain about it before. Check the Repeater forum on > www.electrixpro.com for some discussion there, maybe the Repeater Users > yahoogroup too. > > As I remember, things to check are: the switch for line/phono input, > the CFC, your gain structure (as Mark suggested), use of > balanced/shielded cabling (didn't understand the balanced part, since > the Repeater is unbalanced, but I seem to remember one person claiming > it helped with their problem (?). > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 15:46:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11767; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:45:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3D332684.6C327B42@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:46:12 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings References: <200207151746.NAA02076@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:02:24 -0700 > From: Anthony Justman > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > 5 sec stereo; 10 sec mono. You are right. > > "Overdubbing" is not quite the right concept with the D-2 b/c it's not > really a true looper. ... > > It really is a great box. I'm not sure it's a "looper" though from http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html: Current Real-Time Loopers at the minimum, a Real-Time Looper must be able to sample audio and loop it on the fly, and allow the user to sample new material while the current loop is playing. Usually they do much more. These are live, performance-oriented looping instruments.... Sounds like a looper to me ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 15:52:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12067; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:50:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:50:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D332738.70226DA6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:49:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater at the Y2K2 Loopfest References: <200207140624.CAA27092@hemlock.violacea.com> <000501c22be3$b8d2f9c0$2364f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, It was mentioned to me that the reliability of the Repeater was questionable at Loopfest this weekend, and I'm wondering why. My problems were due to cables getting yanked out during set up, and my decision to just "go with it" and loose my midi clock and effects loop. (as if I need more effects!) Did anyone else have problems? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 15:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12169; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:51:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:51:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3D2B2E4600005D24@mta08.san.yahoo.com> <3D3324C6.D0396FAC@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:50:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 19:50:34.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[E20711A0:01C22C38] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My thoughts were with you guys all weekend (well, there was this ten minute spot on Saturday night where I though about my looping rig...) Unfortunately, I spent the weekend helping various friends reorganize (and recover) their lives after this week's set of tech company lay offs. (It's so nice of all the companies to announce their financial results together, so they can all lay people together too.) Last man standing, bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! > I had a great time mostly TALKING to you folks. Performances were all good, > but let's face it, none of us are "Kiss," though few could deny that Hans is > the Cher of Looping with all his costume changes. I think I got the most > out of seeing other's people's approaches, and tools. Fun. These events > are great because they cement the looping "scene" that I guess we're apart > of. We should try harder to get together, Loopfests or not. Maybe we > should form a N. Cal Loopers Coalition. I notice that few of us (myself > included) go to each other's gigs. Perhaps we should try and form a more > united front, which could only serve to bring a wider audience to what we're > doing. Regardless as to if something "official" happens, I'm going to > endeavor to try and be better about dragging my tired bones out to more loop > shows. > > I'd also like to take this time to scold Gary Lehman, as I woke up at 5:00 > AM this morning and couldn't get Todd Rundgren's "Wailing Wall" out of my > head! CURSE YOU GARY! > > Oh, and by the way, I think it was Chris Roberts that recommended the > Brookdale Lodge to me and Gary as a good place to stay in Santa Cruz, and if > so, I would never trust Chris' word again. The Brookdale Lodge was probably > the worst dump I've ever stayed in, and I encourage all to avoid it like the > plague. What were you thinking Chris? Why did you want to hurt me? > > Mark Sottilaro > > Chris Roberts wrote: > > > Just wanted to pass on my appreciation to all those who participated in > > this amazing event! :) So many great musicians! An almost flawless flow > > between sets! And damn good cookies... hehe... > > > > Everyone was great, but I wanted to mention some performances which stick > > out in my mind: > > > > day 1 : Matt Davignon, Amy X, Tom Heasley, and Bill Walker > > day 2 : Pete Coates, Zoe Keating, Tim Crowe, John Whooley, DVB, and, of > > course, Rick Walker > > > > I'm looking forward to the next one! > > > > -cpr > > > > p.s. no, I'm not Kim, I just have a similar hair-doo... heh.. ;-p > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 16:03:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14128; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:02:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:02:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:04:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2B2E4600005F2B@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3D3324C6.D0396FAC@zerocrossing.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA14082 Resent-Message-ID: <2_Zyw.A.RcD.bpyM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I support the idea of the NCLC... :) What's our first event Mark? ;) As for the Brookdale Lodge; I'm sorry it didn't work out for you... I've stayed there a few times, and enjoyed my stay. So, either we have different tastes, or it's changed drastically since I was last there (several years ago)... Sorry that the reccomendation has eroded that trust that I've worked so hard to build.. hehe... I guess this means yo won't be coming down to jam anytime soon? ;-p peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:48 -0700 >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >I had a great time mostly TALKING to you folks. Performances were all good, >but let's face it, none of us are "Kiss," though few could deny that Hans >is >the Cher of Looping with all his costume changes. I think I got the most >out of seeing other's people's approaches, and tools. Fun. These events >are great because they cement the looping "scene" that I guess we're apart >of. We should try harder to get together, Loopfests or not. Maybe we >should form a N. Cal Loopers Coalition. I notice that few of us (myself >included) go to each other's gigs. Perhaps we should try and form a more >united front, which could only serve to bring a wider audience to what we're >doing. Regardless as to if something "official" happens, I'm going to >endeavor to try and be better about dragging my tired bones out to more loop >shows. > >I'd also like to take this time to scold Gary Lehman, as I woke up at 5:00 >AM this morning and couldn't get Todd Rundgren's "Wailing Wall" out of my >head! CURSE YOU GARY! > >Oh, and by the way, I think it was Chris Roberts that recommended the >Brookdale Lodge to me and Gary as a good place to stay in Santa Cruz, and >if >so, I would never trust Chris' word again. The Brookdale Lodge was probably >the worst dump I've ever stayed in, and I encourage all to avoid it like >the >plague. What were you thinking Chris? Why did you want to hurt me? > >Mark Sottilaro > >Chris Roberts wrote: > >> Just wanted to pass on my appreciation to all those who participated in >> this amazing event! :) So many great musicians! An almost flawless flow >> between sets! And damn good cookies... hehe... >> >> Everyone was great, but I wanted to mention some performances which stick >> out in my mind: >> >> day 1 : Matt Davignon, Amy X, Tom Heasley, and Bill Walker >> day 2 : Pete Coates, Zoe Keating, Tim Crowe, John Whooley, DVB, and, of >> course, Rick Walker >> >> I'm looking forward to the next one! >> >> -cpr >> >> p.s. no, I'm not Kim, I just have a similar hair-doo... heh.. ;-p > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 16:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16369; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:38:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:38:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200207140624.CAA27092@hemlock.violacea.com> <000501c22be3$b8d2f9c0$2364f93f@global> <3D332738.70226DA6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater at the Y2K2 Loopfest Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:39:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 20:37:57.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[80DDB350:01C22C3F] Resent-Message-ID: <_dQNrC.A.V_D.ELzM9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My repeater functioned flawlessly for me this weekend, and all during the last two weeks of semi-daily playing. then again I've learned how to be nice to it. Jon > It was mentioned to me that the reliability of the Repeater was questionable > at Loopfest this weekend, and I'm wondering why. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 17:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20759; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:31:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.169.162.17] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Audio Interface options for recording loops Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:30:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 21:30:33.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9A642C0:01C22C46] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, In the past I have been "documenting" my loops by recording straight to DAT but I just picked up a G4 that will be loaded w/ some audio software. Is there a way I can use the S/PDIF output on my Lexicon PCM 80 straight into the MAC or do I just have go out & buy an digital audio interface? I really can’t spend a lot of cash right now but maybe someone can suggest something under $400. Thanks. Lou _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 17:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20939; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:35:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c22c47$774c8980$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:34:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6ictlD.A.BHF.ZA0M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are many great options under $400 - I would suggest looking at the M-Audio and Echo websites and looking at the PCI card based soloutions with break-out boxes- You get great i/o and ASIO drivers which are the best for audio IMO. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Audio Interface options for recording loops > > Hello, > > In the past I have been "documenting" my loops by recording straight to DAT > but I just picked up a G4 that will be loaded w/ some audio software. Is > there a way I can use the S/PDIF output on my Lexicon PCM 80 straight into > the MAC or do I just have go out & buy an digital audio interface? I really > can't spend a lot of cash right now but maybe someone can suggest something > under $400. > > Thanks. > Lou > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 17:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21458; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:43:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:43:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9EE@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Audio Interface options for recording loops Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:42:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 112D9E4D85371-03-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6t6KmD.A.zNF.gH0M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard great things and am investigating Echo Layla as a solution, especially if i decide "PC" on the great PC/Mac debate. I was headed toward the PC (running Logic) when Emagic sold to Apple sending my platform decision into chaos. I can't see buying Logic for the Mac after what they did to 35% of their user base. I'm also looking at the MIDIMan Delta 1010. Both are a bit out of the range that you are speaking of, but might be worth it for the quality. We're talking about a CRITICAL part of the chain here... cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@Om-Studios.com] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 3:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops There are many great options under $400 - I would suggest looking at the M-Audio and Echo websites and looking at the PCI card based soloutions with break-out boxes- You get great i/o and ASIO drivers which are the best for audio IMO. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Audio Interface options for recording loops > > Hello, > > In the past I have been "documenting" my loops by recording straight to DAT > but I just picked up a G4 that will be loaded w/ some audio software. Is > there a way I can use the S/PDIF output on my Lexicon PCM 80 straight into > the MAC or do I just have go out & buy an digital audio interface? I really > can't spend a lot of cash right now but maybe someone can suggest something > under $400. > > Thanks. > Lou > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 17:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21862; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:51:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:51:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:50:43 +0200 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34C9EE@ENTCOEXCH13> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the subject of Audio cards - has anyone had any experience with the Edirol UA-5 USB box? It looks pretty decent at under $400, offering 24 bit/96Khz with XLR and phantom power. I need to replace my crappy Griffin imic (very low tech non-usable pos). I have an apple ibook, so my options for audio cards are pretty limited :( -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 17:56:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22140; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:55:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:58:57 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Y2K2 LOOPFEST: tour diary To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001501c22c4a$d26176c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200207140624.CAA27092@hemlock.violacea.com> <000501c22be3$b8d2f9c0$2364f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: <2ZOvS.A.EZF.6S0M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what does this all sound like? After all the self congratulatory pats on the back from the left coast crowd, I'd like to know what they sound like. Are there any archives from past events? Let's hear the hype. The NYC open loop fest has archives, but they are still archives for now. I have examples from my solo gigs at: http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley So what's up? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 17:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22601; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009c01c22c4a$a020c760$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:57:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2WzYh.A.TgF.iV0M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not really- RME Hammerfall makes a PCMIA card which will allow connection of their MultiFace- great setup but will cost some money- as I understand it it is well worth it- http://www.rme-audio.com/english/index.htm select "Hammerfall DSP" Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops > On the subject of Audio cards - has anyone had any experience with the > Edirol UA-5 USB box? It looks pretty decent at under $400, offering 24 > bit/96Khz with XLR and phantom power. > > I need to replace my crappy Griffin imic (very low tech non-usable pos). > I have an apple ibook, so my options for audio cards are pretty > limited :( > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 17:59:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22642; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:01:53 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > On the subject of Audio cards - has anyone had any experience with the > Edirol UA-5 USB box? It looks pretty decent at under $400, offering 24 > bit/96Khz with XLR and phantom power. > > I need to replace my crappy Griffin imic (very low tech non-usable pos). > I have an apple ibook, so my options for audio cards are pretty > limited :( If you're looking for a USB solution, look at the Digidesign MBox. I've seen them as low as $450, but would like to see a lower price :). http://www.digidesign.com/ -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 18:31:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25647; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:29:23 +0200 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4FF2EE75-9842-11D6-9014-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 12:01 AM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > If you're looking for a USB solution, look at the Digidesign MBox. I've > seen them as low as $450, but would like to see a lower price :). > > http://www.digidesign.com/ Looks nice :) I have not come across it before. It has the same specs though as the Edirol, and a quick search on the French sites has drawn a blank - maybe its not released over here? Or has a different model number? Either that, or its after midnight and my head just is not working :) The link to the Edirol is here: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ua5.html just in case you want to draw a comparison. It has zero-latency hardware monitoring, optical in/out.... hhhmmm.... -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 18:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26048; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:34:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:33:53 +0200 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <009c01c22c4a$a020c760$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 11:57 PM, Clifford Novey wrote: > Not really- RME Hammerfall makes a PCMIA card which will allow > connection of > their MultiFace- great setup but will cost some money- as I understand > it it > is well worth it- I sometimes curse my ibook. No built in audio input.... and no bloody PCMIA :( I'm surprised that there are not more firewire audio cards on the market. Other than the two Motu units, which are incredible machines with an unfortunately matching price, there is nothing else on the market. USB was not designed for high-bandwidth data, whereas Firewire is designed just for that. It seems strange. And what is this bloody USB2.0? Is there a need for this? Who's idea was it to introduce yet a third option? Bah! Humbug! :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 18:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26355; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.204.25] From: "Sam Houston" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stereo Recording equipment for trade towards loopers. Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:36:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 22:36:45.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[195C9960:01C22C50] Resent-Message-ID: <8CyMyB.A.gbG.c60M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I was doing alot of recording this summer for colleges and I ended up with a bunch of stereo recording equipment so if anyone has any gear the wanna trade let me know. I have quite a few neumann like km 100's kn84's nice AKG stuff so let me know if it sound like somehing you are interested in. I am especially interested in in echopros and repeaters. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 18:41:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26547; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:39:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:39:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:38:57 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm surprised that there are not more firewire audio cards on the > market. Other than the two Motu units, which are incredible machines > with an unfortunately matching price, there is nothing else on the > market. http://www.mhlabs.com Mobile I/O L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 18:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26391; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:38:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:38:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c22c50$3bd33b20$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:37:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn- no PCMIA- well maybe a USB devise would work if you are only doing stereo recording- I know the M-Audio USB stuff is PC/Mac- USB 2.0 is faster than Firewire- main reason for the new protocol. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops > > On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 11:57 PM, Clifford Novey wrote: > > > Not really- RME Hammerfall makes a PCMIA card which will allow > > connection of > > their MultiFace- great setup but will cost some money- as I understand > > it it > > is well worth it- > > I sometimes curse my ibook. No built in audio input.... and no bloody > PCMIA :( > > I'm surprised that there are not more firewire audio cards on the > market. Other than the two Motu units, which are incredible machines > with an unfortunately matching price, there is nothing else on the > market. USB was not designed for high-bandwidth data, whereas Firewire > is designed just for that. It seems strange. And what is this bloody > USB2.0? Is there a need for this? Who's idea was it to introduce yet a > third option? > > Bah! Humbug! :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 18:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27176; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:50:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Vortex, RDS 7.6 NEW LOWER PRICE Message-ID: <1026773427.3d3351b35dc1f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:50:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lexicon vortex with an acting up preset encoder: $75 digitech rds 7.6 fully functional minor scratches, delay time mod: $75 please respond through private email to erwill@suitandtieguy.com if interested. thanks, Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 18:56:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27492; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:54:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:54:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:53:58 +0200 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00d801c22c50$3bd33b20$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 12:37 AM, Clifford Novey wrote: > Damn- no PCMIA- well maybe a USB devise would work if you are only doing > stereo recording- I know the M-Audio USB stuff is PC/Mac- I actually swapped my old G4 system for the ibook that I have now so that I could be truly portable... but I never realised what a pain in the arse it would be to find a decent audio interface for the unit. I only really need a stereo input, as I play live, and only need to capture the final stereo mix. If anyone has any other ideas before I pawn my soul (again) and purchase the Edirol, I'd be grateful! :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 19:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29267; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:04:20 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > If anyone has any other ideas before I pawn my soul (again) and purchase > the Edirol, I'd be grateful! :) > Sound devices USB pre looks quite nice too http://www.usbpre.com L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 19:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29908; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:12:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:12:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:11:54 +0200 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <40762516-9848-11D6-9014-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 01:04 AM, Andrew Pask wrote: > Sound devices USB pre looks quite nice too > > http://www.usbpre.com Looks very nice. No OS/X support yet though - thats a problem that I've gone through many times... so much hardware is still geared for OS9.2 : ( As well, I cant seem to find anyone in France that stocks them.... I'm really starting to think that France is still sitting in the dark ages when it comes to obscure high-tec audio equipment. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 19:21:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30665; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:20:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:20:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D335860.AF31342E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:18:57 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Northcal Loop coalition (wasY2K2 Loopfest was awesome!) References: <3D2B2E4600005F2B@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OH, I'll forgive you, but I can't speak for my wife who's got an adversion to tremendous amounts of cobwebs and furniture that's literally falling apart. God, that place was CREEPY. Good thing your music is better than your hotel reviews! I accept your apology, but now I've just got to find a monday when I don't work so late! So, I've never organized anything like this before, anyone have any ideas? What do we do? Meetings? I think I'm going to talk to a friend of mine about hosting a bay area Loopfest. I'll come back with more info as I get it. Any comments or suggestions are welcome. Mark Sottilaro Chris Roberts wrote: > I support the idea of the NCLC... :) What's our first event Mark? ;) > > As for the Brookdale Lodge; I'm sorry it didn't work out for you... I've > stayed there a few times, and enjoyed my stay. So, either we have different > tastes, or it's changed drastically since I was last there (several years > ago)... Sorry that the reccomendation has eroded that trust that I've worked > so hard to build.. hehe... I guess this means yo won't be coming down to > jam anytime soon? ;-p > > peace > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:48 -0700 > >From: Mark Sottilaro > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >I had a great time mostly TALKING to you folks. Performances were all > good, > >but let's face it, none of us are "Kiss," though few could deny that Hans > >is > >the Cher of Looping with all his costume changes. I think I got the most > >out of seeing other's people's approaches, and tools. Fun. These events > >are great because they cement the looping "scene" that I guess we're apart > >of. We should try harder to get together, Loopfests or not. Maybe we > >should form a N. Cal Loopers Coalition. I notice that few of us (myself > >included) go to each other's gigs. Perhaps we should try and form a more > >united front, which could only serve to bring a wider audience to what > we're > >doing. Regardless as to if something "official" happens, I'm going to > >endeavor to try and be better about dragging my tired bones out to more > loop > >shows. > > > >I'd also like to take this time to scold Gary Lehman, as I woke up at 5:00 > >AM this morning and couldn't get Todd Rundgren's "Wailing Wall" out of > my > >head! CURSE YOU GARY! > > > >Oh, and by the way, I think it was Chris Roberts that recommended the > >Brookdale Lodge to me and Gary as a good place to stay in Santa Cruz, and > >if > >so, I would never trust Chris' word again. The Brookdale Lodge was probably > >the worst dump I've ever stayed in, and I encourage all to avoid it like > >the > >plague. What were you thinking Chris? Why did you want to hurt me? > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >Chris Roberts wrote: > > > >> Just wanted to pass on my appreciation to all those who participated > in > >> this amazing event! :) So many great musicians! An almost flawless flow > >> between sets! And damn good cookies... hehe... > >> > >> Everyone was great, but I wanted to mention some performances which stick > >> out in my mind: > >> > >> day 1 : Matt Davignon, Amy X, Tom Heasley, and Bill Walker > >> day 2 : Pete Coates, Zoe Keating, Tim Crowe, John Whooley, DVB, and, > of > >> course, Rick Walker > >> > >> I'm looking forward to the next one! > >> > >> -cpr > >> > >> p.s. no, I'm not Kim, I just have a similar hair-doo... heh.. ;-p > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 19:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31232; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:27:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:27:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:26:38 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops In-reply-to: <40762516-9848-11D6-9014-0003934B4712@solostring.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Looks very nice. No OS/X support yet though - thats a problem that I've > gone through many times... so much hardware is still geared for OS9.2 : > ( As well, I cant seem to find anyone in France that stocks them.... Don't expect any OSX support in the near future. I'm not expecting any decent reliability or performance from it for at least another year. RME have alpha drivers out for Hammerfall, but the OS is not optimised at all for audio and preliminary reports have CPU use at 40% for 2 channels of audio on a G4 (iTunes)! This is going to take a long time to sort out, and it's not all the problem of the 3rd party manufacturers. I really see no point in using OSX for audio at all. Cheers A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 19:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31760; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:33:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:33:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D335B91.A09645BF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:32:35 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops References: <00d801c22c50$3bd33b20$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've read that IEEE 1394b (firewire2) will reach speeds of 800 megabits per second (Mbps) in its initial incarnation, followed by speeds of 1.6 gigabits per second (Gbps) and, eventually, 3.2 Gbps over copper wire. Apple is looking into going to that standard in the future. Also, I've heard there might be issues about the 480 megabits/sec spec on USB 2, making Firewire (the current version) still better for sustained high bandwidth operations. I'm not sure what the issues are. Mark Sottilaro Clifford Novey wrote: > Damn- no PCMIA- well maybe a USB devise would work if you are only doing > stereo recording- I know the M-Audio USB stuff is PC/Mac- > > USB 2.0 is faster than Firewire- main reason for the new protocol. > > Cliff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Wyatt" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops > > > > > On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 11:57 PM, Clifford Novey wrote: > > > > > Not really- RME Hammerfall makes a PCMIA card which will allow > > > connection of > > > their MultiFace- great setup but will cost some money- as I understand > > > it it > > > is well worth it- > > > > I sometimes curse my ibook. No built in audio input.... and no bloody > > PCMIA :( > > > > I'm surprised that there are not more firewire audio cards on the > > market. Other than the two Motu units, which are incredible machines > > with an unfortunately matching price, there is nothing else on the > > market. USB was not designed for high-bandwidth data, whereas Firewire > > is designed just for that. It seems strange. And what is this bloody > > USB2.0? Is there a need for this? Who's idea was it to introduce yet a > > third option? > > > > Bah! Humbug! :) > > > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > > http://www.solostring.com > > stuart@solostring.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 19:53:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32630; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:52:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:52:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020715235144.27669.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:51:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: NYC Gig, Thurs. 7/18 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001501c22c4a$d26176c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'allo - Pedro Felix Thursday, July 18, 2002 at Chama 332 East 4th Street btw avenues C/D East Village, NYC 646-654-6472 $2 and a smile 9:30 pm - midnight or so check LD archives for quasi-reviews~ I use a few Digitech units and an EDP to loop various guitar derived sounds, in real time thankfully. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 20:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02141; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:08:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:08:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:06:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 00:06:33.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4F1AB30:01C22C5C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was particularly fond of Jon Wagner's hand percussion dance music, Eric Oberthaler's occasionally microfragmented trumpet loops, Andre LaFosse's in depth use of the EDP, Bill Walker's same of the Repeater, Tom Heasley's colliding tectonic plates of tuba, Zoe Keating's four versions of herself, Michael Klobcuhar's transformation of poppy guitar tunes into sticky sweet electronic soup, and John Whooley's instant barbershop experimentation. Sadly, I had to miss several of the last acts. Thanks for the good word Chris, I was definitely a bit worried about certain parts of my performance. There's another upcoming looping event in Oakland next month. I'm going to make it a seperate message. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 20:15:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02518; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sunday, 8/11 Oakland Mini-Loop Fest Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:13:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 00:13:45.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[A62EC9A0:01C22C5D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, given the scale of the Y2K2 festival, I have to unofficially change the name of this event from "Oakland Loop Fest" to "Oakland Mini Loop Fest". After all, we only have a about tenth of the musicians: Oakland Mini-Loop Fest 8:00 $6-10 Sliding Scale Sunday, August 11 21 Grand 449B 23rd Street (at Broadway) Oakland, CA Rick Walker - Processed Live Percussion & Found Objects Bill Walker - Electronic Guitar Matt Davignon - Turntable, CD, and Tape Scott "Kungha" Drengsen - Looped Fretless Bass 4 musicians exploring instruments combined with live electronic processing/looping from different perspectives will present solo sets, followed by collaborative improvisation. Rick Walker has been improvising and composing music for the past 25 years. Originally highly involved with world music, Rick is now equally interested in the process of real-time sampling and looping. With his Loop.pooL project, he creates mesmerizing one-man shows in which he spontaneously creates intricate multi-tracked music from a well-varied selection of household objects and ethnic instruments. Many of his shows also feature an element of audience participation. http://www.watershed-arts.com/walker.html Bill Walker is a a guitarist/multi-instrumentalist who uses live digital looping to create lush aural landscapes that he describes as "soundtracks for imaginary films." Bill brings a wide range of stylistic diversity to his performances, mixing in influences from the far corners of the globe. Matt Davignon utilizes consumer grade home audio equipment (turntable, CD player and cassette) to create shifting tapestries of improvised sound. Utilizing real-time sampling devices to create irregular but recognizable patterns, Matt strives to create music that is unpredictable yet accessible. www.mp3.com/mattdavignon http://mattdavignon.iuma.com Scott "Kungha" Drengsen has been using effects and looping devices to explore/expand the capabilities of his 6 string fretless bass for nearly 10 years. This music has appeared in film, radio, television and cafes where people mostly ignored him. In his day job as a "regular" bassist, Kungha has performed for Stevie Wonder, (Oaklands own) Dimensions Dance Theatre,and our last elected American President. www.basscapes.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 20:58:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04101; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:57:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715175431.01fbadd8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:55:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: post-Y2K2 Loopfest brunch In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6VS90.A.l_.h92M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How was brunch today? Who was in attendance? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 22:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09711; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:02:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:02:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.185.84.78] From: "richard dyson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #455 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:00:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 02:00:29.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F79F5E0:01C22C6C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Tyner To: 'samrichzoe' Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: RE: cfc noise Unfortunately there is some noise of the CFC card working. The best way to avoid this is to turn up the level of your input and turn down the input level of Repeater. It is best to have Repeaters input level set at about 10 o'clock. Best, Lisa Lisa Tyner Sales & Marketing Electrix/IVL (250) 544-4133.....lisa@electrixpro.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 22:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10278; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:08:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:08:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c22d35$6599f3a0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: Subject: Re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:58:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did anyone loop the sounds of a 'swinette'? Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! I was particularly fond of Jon Wagner's hand percussion dance music, Eric Oberthaler's occasionally microfragmented trumpet loops, Andre LaFosse's in depth use of the EDP, Bill Walker's same of the Repeater, Tom Heasley's colliding tectonic plates of tuba, Zoe Keating's four versions of herself, Michael Klobcuhar's transformation of poppy guitar tunes into sticky sweet electronic soup, and John Whooley's instant barbershop experimentation. Sadly, I had to miss several of the last acts. Thanks for the good word Chris, I was definitely a bit worried about certain parts of my performance. There's another upcoming looping event in Oakland next month. I'm going to make it a seperate message. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 23:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15058; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:24:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:24:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:24:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D335B91.A09645BF@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8VjdVD.A.zqD.0H5M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might want to go browse through the Sound-on-Sound archives. They seem to have done a fair amount of writing about Macs and audio. http://www.sospubs.co.uk/ I'm not sure how far back you have to go to avoid needing a subscription. Mark P.S. My audio input to my Mac: SP-808 to ZIP disk into the iBook via a USB ZIP drive. A bit convoluted. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 15 23:48:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16044; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:47:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:47:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:47:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What what what? That's nutty! I'd advise any person of the Mac persuasion to save your pennies and pick up a nice Mark of the Unicorn 828 Firewire interface. They're working on OSX version of Digital Performer and drivers, but until then it's a sweet single rack solution for getting 24 bit audio into your Mac. Plus, it's designed to work flawlessly with Digital Performer 3, which is a great little program, IMO. The great thing about MOTU is that they're the only ones that do a complete system, as far as I know. Audio interface, MIDI interface, software. Stereo in is nice, but there were too many times I wanted to record multiple stereo signals from different devices (sometimes coming from different people, even!) so I'd recommend waiting and going for 4 stereo pairs. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 08:24 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > P.S. My audio input to my Mac: SP-808 to ZIP disk into the iBook via a > USB > ZIP drive. A bit convoluted. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 00:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18538; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:22:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:22:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <17c.b0dd6dd.2a64f961@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:21:53 EDT Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to second Jim's note, I am using the Echo Layla24 Laptop (PC). It works extremely well. I've been using it for location recording, SoftSynths, and sound design. They do have Mac drivers. Of course this is a $695.00 unit, so you may decide that it is too far out of your price range. A friend of mine is using the Delta 1010 (PC), and is very happy with it. I believe that they have Mac drivers as well. This is a $595.00 unit. I know that you are limited on budget, but you may want to consider buying one these units, or one with similar I/O capability. Both Echo and M-Audio have less expensive sound cards as well. Marc In a message dated 7/15/02 5:43:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lanpheer.James.A@broadband.att.com writes: > I've heard great things and am investigating Echo Layla as a solution, > especially if i decide "PC" on the great PC/Mac debate. I was headed toward > the PC (running Logic) when Emagic sold to Apple sending my platform > decision into chaos. I can't see buying Logic for the Mac after what they > did to 35% of their user base. > > I'm also looking at the MIDIMan Delta 1010. > > Both are a bit out of the range that you are speaking of, but might be worth > it for the quality. We're talking about a CRITICAL part of the chain > here... > > cheers, > jim. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 00:26:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18787; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:26:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:26:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <13f.1161463c.2a64fa20@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:25:04 EDT Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the USB front, I remember seeing some very positive opinions of the Emagic USB audio interface. Since you are using a Mac, you will be safe buying one. I hear that the Tascam 428 is nice too. Marc In a message dated 7/15/02 5:51:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stuart@solostring.com writes: > On the subject of Audio cards - has anyone had any experience with the > Edirol UA-5 USB box? It looks pretty decent at under $400, offering 24 > bit/96Khz with XLR and phantom power. > > I need to replace my crappy Griffin imic (very low tech non-usable pos). > I have an apple ibook, so my options for audio cards are pretty > limited :( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 00:35:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19165; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:34:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:34:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.29d2debb.2a64fc30@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:33:52 EDT Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know that there is another company about to release a firewire interface. I can't remember the name of it, but if you just enter "firewire audio interface" in some search engines, you should find it quickly. Also check this out, it will give you an idea of some other audio interfaces that are available for Laptops. LAPTOP AUDIO Marc In a message dated 7/15/02 6:34:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stuart@solostring.com writes: > I'm surprised that there are not more firewire audio cards on the > market. Other than the two Motu units, which are incredible machines > with an unfortunately matching price, there is nothing else on the > market. USB was not designed for high-bandwidth data, whereas Firewire > is designed just for that. It seems strange. And what is this bloody > USB2.0? Is there a need for this? Who's idea was it to introduce yet a > third option? > > Bah! Humbug! :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 00:35:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19217; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:35:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:35:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:34:49 -0700 Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000901c22b1c$9ab61ca0$cf64f93f@global> Message-Id: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids. So, I had a slight meltdown at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Upon unpacking tonight, I realized that heat in my car had softened the duct tape that was holding some wallwarts into their powerstrips, and they fell out and took some cables with them. It didn't matter much due to what I had planned to do, but it brings me to the question: How do people keep it all together? It seems to me like every other gig SOMETHING is getting pulled out. I'm not the only one, I believe Ted also had this issue at the festival. Usually, I can recover, but with a quick setup time, I just gave up. Regardless, it's a pain in the ass at any show. Is there a tip or trick anyone has for such things? Does anyone know where one can get generic computer style power cords in 1 or 2 foot lengths? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 00:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19713; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:40:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: RE: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:54:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check with Martin at Custom Audio Electronics in Hollywood CA. www.customaudioelectronics.com They are the kings or Rack Rigs! -Arthur Lee -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Hey kids. So, I had a slight meltdown at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Upon unpacking tonight, I realized that heat in my car had softened the duct tape that was holding some wallwarts into their powerstrips, and they fell out and took some cables with them. It didn't matter much due to what I had planned to do, but it brings me to the question: How do people keep it all together? It seems to me like every other gig SOMETHING is getting pulled out. I'm not the only one, I believe Ted also had this issue at the festival. Usually, I can recover, but with a quick setup time, I just gave up. Regardless, it's a pain in the ass at any show. Is there a tip or trick anyone has for such things? Does anyone know where one can get generic computer style power cords in 1 or 2 foot lengths? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 00:42:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19824; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:41:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:40:51 -0700 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Resent-Message-ID: <69j37.A.f0E.VP6M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fry's Electronics usually has stuff like that aplenty. on 7/15/02 Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Hey kids. > >So, I had a slight meltdown at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Upon unpacking >tonight, I realized that heat in my car had softened the duct tape that >was holding some wallwarts into their powerstrips, and they fell out and >took some cables with them. It didn't matter much due to what I had >planned to do, but it brings me to the question: > >How do people keep it all together? It seems to me like every other gig >SOMETHING is getting pulled out. I'm not the only one, I believe Ted >also had this issue at the festival. Usually, I can recover, but with a >quick setup time, I just gave up. Regardless, it's a pain in the ass at >any show. Is there a tip or trick anyone has for such things? Does >anyone know where one can get generic computer style power cords in 1 or >2 foot lengths? > >Mark Sottilaro > ------------------------------------------ Greg Kucharo- mutantaudio.com "Evil never dies, but copyrights expire" -Firesign Theatre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 00:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20092; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:47:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:47:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020715214303.0234bff0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:50:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... In-Reply-To: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <000901c22b1c$9ab61ca0$cf64f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0x0yQC.A.y5E.rV6M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a link that Hans originally posted (http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200202/msg00088.html): http://www.newark.com/psearch/searchResults.jsp?action=1&First=0&NPart=&MPart=&APart=&MName=&KWord=powerbrite&advancedSearch.x=0&advancedSearch.y=0 Bought some myself - but they were out of the colored ones. At 09:34 PM 2002/07/15, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Does anyone know where one can get generic computer style power cords in 1 >or 2 foot lengths? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 00:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20516; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c22c52$751b0280$05f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:53:36 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <34XLtC.A.OAF.Td6M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Check with Martin at Custom Audio Electronics in Hollywood CA. www.customaudioelectronics.com They are the kings or Rack Rigs!" yeah, have fun waiting...they're also the kings of making customers wait a REALLY long time for their wares. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 01:00:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21951; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:59:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:59:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0sGQVC.A.yWF.yg6M9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > If anyone has any other ideas before I pawn my soul (again) and purchase > the Edirol, I'd be grateful! :) > I've been using the Tascam 224 (the two-input little brother to the 428) that comes bundled with Cubasis with a G3 Powerbook, and I've been quite happy with it. You can find it for $299, and you get the two audio inputs, plus four fader/mute/solo controls and tape transport/scrub wheel. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 01:28:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23126; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:28:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:28:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715222418.00b74a50@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:27:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020715214303.0234bff0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <000901c22b1c$9ab61ca0$cf64f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Sean, I was going to have to go back and look for those again. I actually bought 12" ones a few years ago, so I have a feeling that not everything is showing up in their search. I'll check the print catalog at work for some more part numbers. -Hans At 21:50 15/07/2002, you wrote: >Here's a link that Hans originally posted >(http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200202/msg00088.html): > >http://www.newark.com/psearch/searchResults.jsp?action=1&First=0&NPart=&MPart=&APart=&MName=&KWord=powerbrite&advancedSearch.x=0&advancedSearch.y=0 > >Bought some myself - but they were out of the colored ones. > > > >At 09:34 PM 2002/07/15, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>Does anyone know where one can get generic computer style power cords in >>1 or 2 foot lengths? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 01:35:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23435; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:34:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715222721.00baea20@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:33:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... In-Reply-To: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <000901c22b1c$9ab61ca0$cf64f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw something else about a year ago that was really cool in Industrial Equipment News or some such catalog. I've looked for them since, but haven't had any luck. They were metal clips that attach to the mounting screws for standard IEC receptacles, which hold the IEC plug permanently into the receptacle. Anybody else seen these? They were made by some company that supplies power connectors for international use. Furman Pluglock power strips are pretty nice, also. They're pricey, though. -Hans At 21:34 15/07/2002, you wrote: >Hey kids. > >So, I had a slight meltdown at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Upon unpacking >tonight, I realized that heat in my car had softened the duct tape that >was holding some wallwarts into their powerstrips, and they fell out and >took some cables with them. It didn't matter much due to what I had >planned to do, but it brings me to the question: > >How do people keep it all together? It seems to me like every other gig >SOMETHING is getting pulled out. I'm not the only one, I believe Ted also >had this issue at the festival. Usually, I can recover, but with a quick >setup time, I just gave up. Regardless, it's a pain in the ass at any >show. Is there a tip or trick anyone has for such things? Does anyone >know where one can get generic computer style power cords in 1 or 2 foot >lengths? > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 01:37:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23653; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:36:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:36:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:35:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 05:35:49.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4AF0E00:01C22C8A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's one that I read about in MacWorld a while back. I just found this blurb via google. Have no idea how good it really is though, but the price is low. http://shop.store.yahoo.com/quantumshoppes/onseu5usbdig.html >From: Stuart Wyatt >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:50:43 +0200 > >On the subject of Audio cards - has anyone had any experience with the >Edirol UA-5 USB box? It looks pretty decent at under $400, offering 24 >bit/96Khz with XLR and phantom power. > >I need to replace my crappy Griffin imic (very low tech non-usable pos). I >have an apple ibook, so my options for audio cards are pretty limited :( > >-- >Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project >http://www.solostring.com >stuart@solostring.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 01:42:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23846; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:41:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:41:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:29:20 -0700 To: From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Repeater at the Y2K2 Loopfest Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My repeater functioned flawlessly for me this weekend, and all during the >last two weeks of semi-daily playing. then again I've learned how to be >nice to it. >Jon > Ditto for moi' I did however erase a track at the end of my abbreviated demo .Doh! I would have liked to have spent more time showing how to get the most out of the bugger, but the show ran late and the performances were of more importance anyway. What a great event. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 02:01:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25698; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020716000034.008902b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:00:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Repeater/EDP swap? In-Reply-To: References: <05cc01c22924$697a0100$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love a night in Paris, but I don't have an EDP! lol! Smiles, CQ At 12:02 AM 7/12/02 +0200, you wrote: >I've been thinking for a few days now.... and I'll take the plunge and >ask.... > >Are there any loopers in Europe (relatively close to France) who would >be interested in swapping their EDP with LoopIV for my Repeater? I love >the Repeater, but taking into account how I perform (totally live), I >believe that it is not the correct unit for me. Without any further OS >upgrades or equipment purchases (i.e. an EDP - which is impossible given >my finances at the moment), I fear that the Repeater will be wasted on >me. > >My unit is 2 months old, as new and includes a 32Meg Simpletech card. > >I would only be interested in swapping 'in person'... so that we can >both see each unit and agree on the deal face-to-face. I can either >travel to you via bus/train (if you can put me up on your floor for a >night or so)... or if anyone fancies a night or two in Paris, I can also >do the same (I have a spare futon). > >If anyone is interested, or if anyone knows anyone who might be >interested, then please feel free to email me off-list. > >Thanks! :) >-- >Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project >http://www.solostring.com >stuart@solostring.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 02:10:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26330; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:09:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:09:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020716000932.0088f320@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:09:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: SPAM: armatronix sounds on-line In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711211541.00b22d08@pop.charter.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711184707.00b183e0@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* yeah, after reading that last post, I'm sorry I missed it! lollollol! Smiles, CQ At 09:17 PM 7/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >Well if it's going to be that kind of party, I guess I don't need the pants >after all! > >-Hans > > >>I have one question to ask though: How the hell do you expect to get your >>gear set up in the 20 min time limit we have at the Santa Cruz loopfest >>this weekend? 10 min breakdown? That's UNPOSSIBLE! I'm going way >>stripped down, myself. >> >>Mark Sottilaro >> >>On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 06:56 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: >> >>>Dear Loopers, >>> >>>IUMA finally approved my site, so I now have exactly one tune available >>>on-line. It features extensive overuse of the new Loop4 halfspeed >>>function. Please check it out: >>> >>>http://armatronix.iuma.com >>> >>>More to come very soon! >>> >>>-Hans Lindauer > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 02:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26710; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:19:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:19:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020716001945.00960940@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:19:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, you mentioned the Groove Box, and I was curious, since I'm using Repeaters with an MC-303 currently, and am planning very soon, to upgrade to the 505, how well it synches? I'm also curious if the 307 is newer than the 505 and how it's feature set would compare, if you have an idea. Lastly, does it send Program change messages, and CC messages?... The 303 doesn't. Go figure!... lol! -Thanks bunches, for any info you can address. Smiles, G-Girl At 11:37 PM 7/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >My guess is that's impossible. From what I can tell, the Repeater is >ALWAYS in some degree of time stretching. One of the beautiful things >about it is if you're in MIDI synch mode, it will chase the clock >(within reason) and you're loop will be nicely synched (after a little >catch up if the change is fast) I think this is how it's Loop Point >Assist feature works (you can't turn it off) it's just subtly stretching >your loop so it fits. It's pretty damn transparent, and one of the >coolest things about the Repeater. I can grab the big turntable style >pitch/tempo adjust on my Roland MC-307 groovebox, and bring it up, or >down, and the Repeater follows. A great effect. If I wanted Multiple >DL-4 style loopers in a box, I'd just get a pair of Echoplexes. Oh >damn, I forgot. I'm going to. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 10:39 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> Not going to happen but... >> >> How many current Repeater owners would pay money for a replacement OS >> that >> eliminated the pitch shifting, time stretching, etc. and left one with >> essentially multiple DL4-style loopers in a box with a configurable >> effects >> loop and MIDI sync? >> >> Mark >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 02:27:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27006; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:27:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020716002709.00a15d70@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:27:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I definitely wouldn't. Midi synching, stereo looping, and storage are all really important to me. Smiles, CQ At 01:43 AM 7/12/02 -0700, you wrote: >My point had been, if you lost the IVL proprietary stuff would there be >something interesting to do with the hardware or would people feel that >without things like the pitch shifting and time stretching the machine was >essentially gutted? > >Mark > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 02:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27402; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:36:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:36:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020716003659.00a1ab20@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:36:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I play a Steinberger GL-2-T with 2 EMG active 81s and passive tone controls, which is essentially unmodified save the tremelo arm reshaped so it sits more comfortably for me, and it's end protected so the guitar's body won't be damaged when doing trem dives. lol! smiles, CQ At 01:45 PM 7/12/02 +0100, you wrote: > and what modifications do y have on it since the robbery at my place >i have at the moment none ! David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 02:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27911; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020716004446.00a15e50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:44:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: one for the guitarist's (parker fans in loopland?) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Aside from the big obnoxious nasty pointy breast killer, I think they're great and sound wonderful! There was a mahogany one which I thought was quite nice... smiles, CQ At 10:27 AM 7/12/02 EDT, you wrote: > =-) PJ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 02:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28489; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:56:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:56:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <127.13c78e01.2a651d7a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:55:54 EDT Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 7/15/02 9:35:14 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >I believe Ted also had this issue at the festival. My problem was entirely "operator error." In my great haste to get loaded in, set up and ready to play in under 20 minutes (a personal record for me) I plugged in the cable from the EDP footpedal into the "slave" rather than the "master" EDP. Stupid mistake really. But one I suspected as soon as I got off my stool to investigate in the back of my rack. Fortunately, however, it was fixed in a moment or two and everything else proceeded without a single "technical" hitch of any sort from then on -- just my silly guitar wanking. Ted PS: I enjoyed what I heard of your set Mark. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 03:23:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31204; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:20:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:19:26 -0700 Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <127.13c78e01.2a651d7a@aol.com> Message-Id: <5C697132-988C-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 11:55 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > just my silly > guitar wanking. > > Ted > > PS: I enjoyed what I heard of your set Mark. > > As I enjoyed yours Ted. Funny, I notice that guitar loopers are often dismissed to some degree, unless some unusual type of loop technique is used, but I thought your use of melody was some of the best I heard all weekend, regardless of the "wanking" lable. And if Amy X wasn't voice wanking, I don't know what is! (I loved her set too) WANKERS UNITE! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 03:24:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30904; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:15:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020716001945.00960940@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I don't think the 307 is newer, just "the next model up." It does indeed send CC messages, so I keep it on a separate midi channel to keep it from driving the Repeater nuts. I'm not sure if it sends program change... but you can probably read about it in the manual, which is a .pdf download at www.rolandus.com I really do like the 307, for the most part. I wish it had velocity sensitive pads for programming, but I bought a cheap midi controller that does the trick. It's got some pretty cool sounds. A lot have criticized it, and there aren't very many great acoustic sounds, but very nice "odd" stuff. Probably similar to the 303. Other nice features are it's tempo slider, which can be set to act like a turntable, or just affect tempo or pitch separately, which the repeater will chase. Fun. Since OS 1.1, I've never had tempo synch issues with the 307 driving the Repeater. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 11:19 PM, Goddess wrote: > Mark, you mentioned the Groove Box, and I was curious, since I'm using > Repeaters with an MC-303 currently, and am planning very soon, to > upgrade > to the 505, how well it synches? I'm also curious if the 307 is newer > than the 505 and how it's feature set would compare, if you have an > idea. > Lastly, does it send Program change messages, and CC messages?... The > 303 > doesn't. Go figure!... lol! -Thanks bunches, for any info you can > address. > > Smiles, > > G-Girl > > At 11:37 PM 7/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >> My guess is that's impossible. From what I can tell, the Repeater is >> ALWAYS in some degree of time stretching. One of the beautiful things >> about it is if you're in MIDI synch mode, it will chase the clock >> (within reason) and you're loop will be nicely synched (after a little >> catch up if the change is fast) I think this is how it's Loop Point >> Assist feature works (you can't turn it off) it's just subtly >> stretching >> your loop so it fits. It's pretty damn transparent, and one of the >> coolest things about the Repeater. I can grab the big turntable style >> pitch/tempo adjust on my Roland MC-307 groovebox, and bring it up, or >> down, and the Repeater follows. A great effect. If I wanted Multiple >> DL-4 style loopers in a box, I'd just get a pair of Echoplexes. Oh >> damn, I forgot. I'm going to. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 10:39 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >> >>> Not going to happen but... >>> >>> How many current Repeater owners would pay money for a replacement OS >>> that >>> eliminated the pitch shifting, time stretching, etc. and left one with >>> essentially multiple DL4-style loopers in a box with a configurable >>> effects >>> loop and MIDI sync? >>> >>> Mark >>> >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 03:30:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31736; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:30:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:30:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020716072939.11532.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Rack Dreams To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish.... Rack makers would use the dead space at top & bottom to provide patch points. I've been tempted to dis- assemble one of my patch bays, break out my drill set, & see what happens. For that matter, someone ought to make a 1/2 rack space HIGH patch bay. My 12 space rack has an odd space left over due to a home made sliding shelf. It could be handy to have patch points at different levels off the rack also. I've been tempted to disassemble one of my patch bays, break out the band saw, & see what happens. I wish equipment makers would design their products so you could run cable from the midi & cv connections on the back panel to a corresponding plug on the rack ear. I wish someone made a single space rack mixer with 16 channels & 8 fx sends. I'm reasonable - I wouldn't even demand EQ. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 03:33:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31886; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:32:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:32:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.1f01fbba.2a6525d5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:31:33 EDT Subject: RE: Audio Interface options for recording loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've heard great things and am investigating Echo Layla as a solution, > especially if i decide "PC" on the great PC/Mac debate. > I'm also looking at the MIDIMan Delta 1010. > > Both are a bit out of the range that you are speaking of, but might be worth > it for the quality. We're talking about a CRITICAL part of the chain > here... > > cheers, > jim. I had the ECHO Gina for about a year, never got rid of a problem with clicks on the output. (Intel chipset pc which was bought at the same time as the card) Tech support from ECHO was so poor that the music shop I bought it from gave me a refund deal on a MIDIMan unit which did about the same for much less money. The MIDIMan unit , (the M-Audio Delta 66) works fine. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 03:46:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32491; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:46:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:46:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.2882cf03.2a6528fa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:44:58 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K2 LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whew! After 7.5 hours of driving I finally made it back to my home in Oregon from Santa Cruz. I got a speeding ticket on I-5 just south of Red Bluff but what the hey. It was worth it. I'd really like to publicly thank Rick Walker for making the Y2K2 Loopfest a terrific weekend. It was very well organized. And, I think a good deal of the good feelings and camaraderie were greatly inspired by Rick's own personal spirit. There couldn't be a more gracious host, understanding "traffic cop," personal, promotional "cheerleader" and all around "good guy!" Rick . . . you rock! I came away physically tired but creatively inspired and energized. It was an amazing thing. And, with the one lone exception of the momentary technical snafu at the beginning of my set it was a fairly painless ordeal for me. I even enjoyed it -- though I dare not hope that the audience felt the same way. I also appreciated all of the help from everyone who helped me schlep so much gear in and out. Best regards and wishes, Ted Killian PS: Rick reiterate my sincere thanks to your lovely wife for her hospitality and letting all these strange men (out of town loopers) invade her home for 2+ days too. She's a peach. Do something nice for her for having to put up with us. Thanks again! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 04:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03480; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:14:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:14:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.22e050dd.2a652fa3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:13:23 EDT Subject: Re: mam warp nine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: mam warp nine (can't remember who asked about this, and sorry for the delay) > any good ???? > i want to use it for well filtering obviously > i am a guitarist interesed in creating sythn textures [like a lot of = > poepl on this list :)] > your feedback is welcome cons:- quite hard to program, you'd want to use MIDI Prog -change. user interface is "difficult". Need to read the manual. mono kind of lo-fi, with a limited frequency response, no extreme highs or lows. discontinued by MAM, they say there's no longer a good enough market for filters. one bug, the LFO is not retriggered by audio input (and MAM won't fix this) (but remember, I find bugs in everything) won't reproduce the sound of other filter units pros:- very varied set of sounds. large number of tweaks to make, especially when using MIDI 32 user programs, and very quick response to MIDI prog-change just about every triggering/re-triggering option you can imagine full ADSR, and LFO at the same time. there's a VCA, which you can use to remove the attack from your guitar note very "analog" sounding. won't reproduce the sound of other filter units Overall:- a very quirky unit, based on the filter from the old "Wasp" synth. I like it a lot. It does a really good job of making the guitar sound like an analog synth. The sounds it produces are thin in a pleasant kind of way , very good for adding layers to loops without it getting too cluttered. the manual is available on the MAM site, suggest you have a look, as this will give you an idea how hard the unit is to use. ...but check out the Line 6 Filter-Pro, which is now available at reduced price (I'll review when I get it) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 04:26:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04025; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f101c22ca2$4d823c20$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020716072939.11532.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rack Dreams Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:25:02 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about a single rack space in a block that is off to the side and vertical, so to provide easy plug access to all devices in the rack assembly? Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 08:29 AM Subject: Rack Dreams > I wish.... > > Rack makers would use the dead space at top & bottom > to provide patch points. I've been tempted to dis- > assemble one of my patch bays, break out my drill > set, & see what happens. > > For that matter, someone ought to make a 1/2 rack > space HIGH patch bay. My 12 space rack has an odd > space left over due to a home made sliding shelf. > It could be handy to have patch points at different > levels off the rack also. I've been tempted to > disassemble one of my patch bays, break out the > band saw, & see what happens. > > I wish equipment makers would design their products > so you could run cable from the midi & cv connections > on the back panel to a corresponding plug on the > rack ear. > > I wish someone made a single space rack mixer with > 16 channels & 8 fx sends. I'm reasonable - I wouldn't > even demand EQ. :) > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 05:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06961; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:05:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:05:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:08:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 09:04:12.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1050F10:01C22CA7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just had to take this chance to brag about my brand new rack case that I debued in Santa Cruz. Here's a quasi-marketing type photo of my creation. My goal was to be able to quickly and easily take my looping rig anywhere I want. 10 minute setup every time, perfect gear placement for me while seated, and it has wheels... http://www.jondrums.com/pic_s/looping-rack.jpg I now never have to plug/unplug anything except for microphones, mains, a 12' power cord, and external controllers. I went nuts with zip-ties so I'm pretty sure I won't have to worry about any cables falling out of place. I was able to find some 1meter power cables a few months back, I'll have try and find out if I can figure out where they came from. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 05:27:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07984; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e501c22cab$177887c0$ea5c4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:28:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cable ties seems the obvious way to go - at the moment, my faves are the Planet Waves little elastic ones, that clip onto your cable and then wind round it - you can check them out online at www.planet-waves.com :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 5:34 AM Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... > Hey kids. > > So, I had a slight meltdown at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Upon unpacking > tonight, I realized that heat in my car had softened the duct tape that > was holding some wallwarts into their powerstrips, and they fell out and > took some cables with them. It didn't matter much due to what I had > planned to do, but it brings me to the question: > > How do people keep it all together? It seems to me like every other gig > SOMETHING is getting pulled out. I'm not the only one, I believe Ted > also had this issue at the festival. Usually, I can recover, but with a > quick setup time, I just gave up. Regardless, it's a pain in the ass at > any show. Is there a tip or trick anyone has for such things? Does > anyone know where one can get generic computer style power cords in 1 or > 2 foot lengths? > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 05:35:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08334; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:31:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200207161131.53433.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday 16 July 2002 06:34, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey kids. > > How do people keep it all together? Tiewraps. They changed my life. ;) - Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 07:12:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15370; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:11:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01f201c22cb9$8cea4350$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, I get 18" power cords to replace the real longs ones that come with my gear to clean up the rats nest inside the racks. As for the wall warts, I use a rack mounted powerstrip by isobar that is fairly skinny. I usually mount it in the back of my rack so that it doesn't take up a valuable space up front. Then I get the zip ties and after plugging in a wall wart, I put a zip tie around it and the powerstrip so that it is locked in place. I also use shorter zip ties for tying back all the cableing (midi, power, audio) to keep it clean and everything inside accessible. The nice thing about the zip ties is that if the ones you have aren't long enough, you can combine them to make them almost any length you want. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... > > > Hey kids. > > So, I had a slight meltdown at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Upon > unpacking > tonight, I realized that heat in my car had softened the duct > tape that > was holding some wallwarts into their powerstrips, and they > fell out and > took some cables with them. It didn't matter much due to what I had > planned to do, but it brings me to the question: > > How do people keep it all together? It seems to me like > every other gig > SOMETHING is getting pulled out. I'm not the only one, I believe Ted > also had this issue at the festival. Usually, I can recover, > but with a > quick setup time, I just gave up. Regardless, it's a pain in > the ass at > any show. Is there a tip or trick anyone has for such things? Does > anyone know where one can get generic computer style power > cords in 1 or > 2 foot lengths? > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 07:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15589; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:16:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:16:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <6a.22e050dd.2a652fa3@aol.com> Subject: Re: mam warp nine Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 11:15:04.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[08F728F0:01C22CBA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com iut was me who asked !!!!!!!! thanks for the input i think i'll invest in one ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: mam warp nine > Re: mam warp nine > (can't remember who asked about this, and > sorry for the delay) > > > any good ???? > > i want to use it for well filtering obviously > > i am a guitarist interesed in creating sythn textures [like a lot of = > > poepl on this list :)] > > your feedback is welcome > > cons:- > > quite hard to program, > you'd want to use MIDI Prog -change. > user interface is "difficult". > Need to read the manual. > > mono > > kind of > lo-fi, with a limited frequency response, > no extreme highs or lows. > > discontinued by MAM, they say there's no longer > a good enough market for filters. > > one bug, the LFO is not retriggered by audio input (and > MAM won't fix this) > (but remember, I find bugs in everything) > > won't reproduce the sound of other filter units > > pros:- > > very varied set of sounds. large number of > tweaks to make, especially when using MIDI > > 32 user programs, and very quick response > to MIDI prog-change > > just about every triggering/re-triggering option you can imagine > > full ADSR, and LFO at the same time. > > there's a VCA, which you can use to remove the attack > from your guitar note > > very "analog" sounding. > > won't reproduce the sound of other filter units > > > > Overall:- > > a very quirky unit, based on the filter from > the old "Wasp" synth. > > I like it a lot. It does a really good job of > making the guitar sound like an analog synth. > The sounds it produces are thin in a pleasant kind of > way , very good for adding > layers to loops without it getting too cluttered. > > the manual is available on the MAM site, suggest you > have a look, as this will give you an idea how hard the unit is > to use. > > > > ...but check out the Line 6 Filter-Pro, > which is now available at reduced price > (I'll review when I get it) > > andy butler > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 07:36:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16243; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:36:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:35:14 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Y2K2 Loopfest was awesome! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00bd01c22cbc$daa95740$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <1O8K5.A.S9D.KUAN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" > I was particularly fond of Jon Wagner's hand percussion dance music, Eric > Oberthaler's occasionally microfragmented trumpet loops, Andre LaFosse's in > depth use of the EDP, Bill Walker's same of the Repeater, Tom Heasley's > colliding tectonic plates of tuba, Zoe Keating's four versions of herself, > Michael Klobcuhar's transformation of poppy guitar tunes into sticky sweet > electronic soup, and John Whooley's instant barbershop experimentation. Thanks for being descriptive! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 08:14:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19318; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:13:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a901c22cc1$8c477a00$a3883b3e@crossfate> From: "Remco" To: Subject: OT: Stick Switching Unit Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:08:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C22CD2.4F6B94C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C22CD2.4F6B94C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, For several months I've been looking for a switching-unit that, apart = from the usual Stick stereo routing, was also able of summing bass and = melody together. Since I have a Echoplex loopingunit in my melodychain I = needed such a device to loop my bass-side as well.=20 Today such a unit was delivered at my doorstep. It was a custom-pedal = built by legendary British Pedalguru Pete Cornish. It rules!!!! I've = never seen a sturdier build pedal, which features 2 ins and 2 two out. = The volume is also boosted and can be adjusted via two trimpots inside = the unit. I feel this unit is a must for every Stickplayer who likes to = have a lot of flexibility in his soundrouting. You can check out other gear by Pete Cornish at www.pacifix-ltd.com=20 If people are interested the can contact him through Pacifix or contact = me remcohelbers@editionblue.com ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C22CD2.4F6B94C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone,
 
For several months I've been looking = for a=20 switching-unit that, apart from the usual Stick stereo routing, was also = able of=20 summing bass and melody together. Since I have a Echoplex loopingunit in = my=20 melodychain I needed such a device to loop my bass-side as well. =
 
Today such a unit was delivered at my = doorstep. It=20 was a custom-pedal built by legendary British Pedalguru Pete Cornish. It = rules!!!! I've never seen a sturdier build pedal, which features 2 ins = and 2 two=20 out. The volume is also boosted and can be adjusted via two trimpots = inside the=20 unit. I feel this unit is a must for every Stickplayer who likes to have = a lot=20 of flexibility in his soundrouting.
 
You can check out other gear by Pete = Cornish at www.pacifix-ltd.com =
 
If people are interested the can = contact him=20 through Pacifix or contact me remcohelbers@editionblue.com=
------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C22CD2.4F6B94C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 08:36:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20810; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:36:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a901c22cc1$8c477a00$a3883b3e@crossfate> References: <00a901c22cc1$8c477a00$a3883b3e@crossfate> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:34:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: OT: Stick Switching Unit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1185299595==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <0e-YEC.A.vEF.jMBN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1185299595==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =8Aso, how many thousands of dollars/pounds have you paid for that? mr cornish asked me something about 12K/15K pounds to build a simple 5 loops box. when i say simple, i mean REALLY simple (in, out, 4 mono loops, 1 stereo loo= p). i'd like to keep my Porsche 911 in the garage rather than give it to him as an account for a switcher: unfortunately, there's no 911 in the garage neither=8A ;-) Doei =46aisal >Hi everyone, >For several months I've been looking for a switching-unit that, >apart from the usual Stick stereo routing, was also able of summing >bass and melody together. Since I have a Echoplex loopingunit in my >melodychain I needed such a device to loop my bass-side as well. >Today such a unit was delivered at my doorstep. It was a >custom-pedal built by legendary British Pedalguru Pete Cornish. It >rules!!!! I've never seen a sturdier build pedal, which features 2 >ins and 2 two out. The volume is also boosted and can be adjusted >via two trimpots inside the unit. I feel this unit is a must for >every Stickplayer who likes to have a lot of flexibility in his >soundrouting. > You can check out other gear by Pete Cornish at >www.pacifix-ltd.com > If people are interested the can contact him through Pacifix or >contact me >remcohelbers@editionblue.com --============_-1185299595==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT: Stick Switching Unit
=8Aso, how many thousands of dollars/pounds have you paid for that?
mr cornish asked me something about 12K/15K pounds to build a simple 5 loops box.
when i say simple, i mean REALLY simple (in, out, 4 mono loops, 1 stereo loop).
i'd like to keep my Porsche 911 in the garage rather than give it to him as an account for a switcher: unfortunately, there's no 911 in the garage neither=8A ;-)

Doei
Faisal

Hi everyone,
For several months I've been looking for a switching-unit that, apart from the usual Stick stereo routing, was also able of summing bass and melody together. Since I have a Echoplex loopingunit in my melodychain I needed such a device to loop my bass-side as well.
Today such a unit was delivered at my doorstep. It was a custom-pedal built by legendary British Pedalguru Pete Cornish. It rules!!!! I've never seen a sturdier build pedal, which features 2 ins and 2 two out. The volume is also boosted and can be adjusted via two trimpots inside the unit. I feel this unit is a must for every Stickplayer who likes to have a lot of flexibility in his soundrouting.
 You can check out other gear by Pete Cornish at www.pacifix-ltd.com
 If people are interested the can contact him through Pacifix or contact me remcohelbers@editionblue.com
--============_-1185299595==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 09:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24176; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Another one for the guitarists (acoustic) From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 16 Jul 2002 05:22:50 -0400 Message-Id: <1026811388.14169.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <7BPoWB.A.W5F.B8BN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a stereo pickup configuration in my acoustic. A sunrise in the soundhole and a fishman piezo under the bridge. I'm thinking about replacing the fishman with something else. Any suggestions? Later Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 09:38:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24781; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:38:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:38:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:37:37 -0700 Subject: Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207160746.DAA32590@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Pluglock from Furman, that's what you need: http://www.furmansound.com/PlugLock.html They're usually about $40, which is much cheaper than the damage you can incur with wall worts rattling around loose in the back of your rack. TH > > So, I had a slight meltdown at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Upon unpacking > tonight, I realized that heat in my car had softened the duct tape that > was holding some wallwarts into their powerstrips, and they fell out and > took some cables with them. It didn't matter much due to what I had > planned to do, but it brings me to the question: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 10:35:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28868; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:33:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:33:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: RE: Another one for the guitarists (acoustic) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:48:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1026811388.14169.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Highlander makes a great sounding pickup. I use one with a Pendulum Preamp. They are a bit troublesome to install and get the strings balanced but it's worth the effort. Www.highlanderpickups.com Much better than the Baggs or Fishman. Also McIntyre has one called The Feather Acoustic that is suppose to be awesome (according to Greg at Pendulum) and would be more like the Michael Hedges combination used with a Sunrise. You can call a talk to Carl McIntyre. http://www.mcintyrepickups.com Good luck. -Arthur -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Lomas [mailto:jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another one for the guitarists (acoustic) I have a stereo pickup configuration in my acoustic. A sunrise in the soundhole and a fishman piezo under the bridge. I'm thinking about replacing the fishman with something else. Any suggestions? Later Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 10:48:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29677; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:47:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:47:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:47:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c22cd7$a62b6dd0$3e2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020715214303.0234bff0@pop.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A source for 12" power cables: http://www.cablesonline.net/1footacpowca.html Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com At 09:34 PM 2002/07/15, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Does anyone know where one can get generic computer style power cords >in 1 >or 2 foot lengths? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 11:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02707; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:55:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Rtpilk@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:54:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thanks and a ? Message-ID: <57CBA391.4C1C54A7.000547A6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good Day Team Looper! Short time lurker, first time poster. First, I just wanted to thank those of you who spend the time (make the time) to interact and share knowledge, skills, and opinions. I'm just a hobbyist (hack) but because of you I've found a way (the confidence to try) to make the music that I've enjoyed (Soundscapes, Ambient) and has been in my head since back when I use to have a full head of hair. I use a Gibson Les Paul, POD, GR33, EDP, 4-track recorder and I just received the last Repeater from Musicians friend. While I've only just begun to scratch the surface of the possibilities I've read about here, the pure enjoyment of creating what I like to call 'spontaneous sound' is very gratifying. Anyway……the new Repeater I have has a 'hum' emanating from the headphone jack (in the headphones only). The frequency of the 'hum' changes as different buttons illuminate on the front of the unit. Short somewhere? Any ideas? It is something I can live with but just wanted to know if anyone else has come across this situation. Again thanks and someday I hope I can contribute something of value to those who have help me so much. v/r Rob Pilkington From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 12:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05299; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:18:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:12:54 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:37 AM -0700 7/16/02, Travis Hartnett wrote: >The Pluglock from Furman, that's what you need: > >http://www.furmansound.com/PlugLock.html > >They're usually about $40 You can also secure your wall warts with simple cable ties (a lot cheaper). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 12:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05992; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CDF4@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Another one for the guitarists (acoustic) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:23:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22CE5.1AF6CCB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22CE5.1AF6CCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** here's a possibility: a raven labs pmb-1. http://www.raven-labs.com/mainframe.html (go to product, it's the reddish one) i use one for mixing a piezo under the bridge of my electric bass and the regular magnetic pickup. i have a stereo jack in the bass, send a stereo cable to the pmb-1 and can mix the signals there. i also have it wired up so that a mono cable will be completely passive and bypass the piezo. the pmb-1 is approximately 1/2 rack and runs on two 9-volt batteries. i think it's pretty hgih-quality stuff. it is an *outboard* device, so that may be a probelm for you. the upside is that you don't have to disembowel your instrument to change batteries. the other is that, if you have device failure, you can always plug in mono and finish the gig . . . rick turner of rennaisance guitars (and all-around guitar/electronics visionary) recommended this to me and i think it has worked out quite well. maybe this helps??? stig I have a stereo pickup configuration in my acoustic. A sunrise in the soundhole and a fishman piezo under the bridge. I'm thinking about replacing the fishman with something else. Any suggestions? Later Jeff Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22CE5.1AF6CCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Another one for the guitarists (acoustic)

** here's a possibility: a raven labs pmb-1.

http://www.raven-labs.com/mainframe.html

(go to product, it's the reddish one)

i use one for mixing a piezo under the bridge of my elect= ric bass and the regular magnetic pickup. i have a stereo jack in the bass,= send a stereo cable to the pmb-1 and can mix the signals there. i also hav= e it wired up so that a mono cable will be completely passive and bypass th= e piezo.

the pmb-1 is approximately 1/2 rack and runs on two 9-vol= t batteries. i think it's pretty hgih-quality stuff. it is an *outboard* de= vice, so that may be a probelm for you. the upside is that you don't have t= o disembowel your instrument to change batteries. the other is that, if you= have device failure, you can always plug in mono and finish the gig . . . =


rick turner of rennaisance guitars (and all-around guitar= /electronics visionary) recommended this to me and i think it has worked ou= t quite well.


maybe this helps???

stig



I have a stereo pickup configuration in my acoustic. = ; A sunrise in the
soundhole and a fishman piezo under the bridge.  I'= m thinking about
replacing the fishman with something else.  Any sug= gestions?

Later
Jeff




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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22CE5.1AF6CCB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 12:41:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06576; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:39:30 -0700 Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c22cd7$a62b6dd0$3e2f04d1@home> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, now we've got solutions to IEC powered items: Get short power cables. We also have answers for wall warts: Use cable ties to tie them to the power strip. Any advice on what to do about line lumps? Any good way to tie them down so they won't slide around? For Loopfest, I taped my four line lumps together and just counted on having enough cables crammed into a small rack that they wouldn't move too much in transit. It isn't a great solution for lots of travel, however. (Which reminds me. I should get the tape off before it becomes a sticky mess...) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 12:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06741; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:41:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:41:33 -0700 Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I meant to ask you at Loopfest: How heavy is it? Mark on 7/15/02 2:08 PM, Jon Wagner at jondrums@hotmail.com wrote: > I just had to take this chance to brag about my brand new rack case that I > debued in Santa Cruz. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 12:46:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07231; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:45:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:45:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:48:44 -0700 To: From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7LwvWD.A.zwB.p2EN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:08 PM -0700 7/15/2002, Jon Wagner wrote: >I just had to take this chance to brag about my brand new rack case that I >debued in Santa Cruz. Here's a quasi-marketing type photo of my creation. >My goal was to be able to quickly and easily take my looping rig anywhere I >want. 10 minute setup every time, perfect gear placement for me while >seated, and it has wheels... > >http://www.jondrums.com/pic_s/looping-rack.jpg > Wow, very nice, elegant solution to the gear transportation/setup conundrum. I've just finished a considerably less elegant setup, but one more inline with my own (lack of) carpentry skills: A board, 16" deep by 48" long, velcro'd to it are a Roland MC-303, a Korg ER-1, a Nord Micro Modular, a Kurzweill ExpressionMate ribbon controller and main control box, a Peavey PC-1600, and a Furman locking power strip for all the wallwarts. Then I have an SKB 10-space rack with a Repeater, JamMan, Vortex, and MoFX, and a Mackie 1202 sitting in the bottom. The board sits on top of the rack, or on a keyboard stand. A MIDI cable goes to the board from my master controller (Nord Lead), 3 stereo audio leads and 1 MIDI cable go from the board to the rack. Board fits into an SKB keyboard case. Setup is slightly more than 10 minutes, it looks funky and homebrew (I'll post pictures when I get a chance), but, based on 1 gigs worth of experience, it works, and greatly simplifies my gigging life. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 12:47:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07304; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:45:40 +0200 Subject: Re: Thanks and a ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <57CBA391.4C1C54A7.000547A6@aol.com> Message-Id: <7688797B-98DB-11D6-9014-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA07255 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 05:54 PM, Rtpilk@aol.com wrote: > Anyway……the new Repeater I have has a 'hum' emanating from the > headphone jack (in the headphones only). The frequency of the 'hum' > changes as different buttons illuminate on the front of the unit. > Short somewhere? Any ideas? It is something I can live with but just > wanted to know if anyone else has come across this situation. The headphone socket is not shielded in the same way as the standard audio outs, but you should not get too much noise out of the unit. How loud is it? I had a small amount of noise out of mine, but after juggling around with the power cables/leads and finding a decent earth, it vanished. I know a few Repeater users who has earthing faults inside the unit... its not too uncommon. Check your earth, and if nothing solves your problem, then I'd contact Electrix ASAP to get a fix. And welcome to the list :) You have some nice equipment! -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 12:55:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08088; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:54:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:53:35 -0700 Subject: Grooveboxes (was Re: Electrix/IVL petition) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MC-505 is older than the MC-307 but has more individual outs, an integrated power supply, a D-Beam and a variety of other additional features. On the other hand, the 307 offers other control options. The following review of the 307 makes a fair number of comparisons between the two: http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/jun01/articles/rolandmc307.asp If you want a 505, I would be willing to sell mine. It's in great condition. Never been on the road (not even to a looping festival). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 13:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10291; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: cheap looper Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:06:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200207161632.MAA06062@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally decided to include my Loopdelay and EDP into my home studio rack - which I'd only put on the road for rare _real_ gigs, not for sessions and small events where I'd not really make use of them anyway. For small events, I'd rather use a cheap floor based looper. Which one should I buy? It should be a small and lightweight stomp box, easy to use, and it wouldn't have to do more than just long delays. = michael peters = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 13:25:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11298; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:24:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:24:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c22cba$f4ac7fc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <00a901c22cc1$8c477a00$a3883b3e@crossfate> Subject: Re: Stick Switching Unit Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:21:38 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C22CC3.5588AAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C22CC3.5588AAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have you seen the lehle switching boxes? i think they have an a/b box, = a 2-to-1 box, and something else. maybe lehle.com...i don't know. it's a german product, i think. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C22CC3.5588AAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
have you seen the lehle switching boxes?  i = think they=20 have an a/b box, a 2-to-1 box, and something else.
 
maybe lehle.com...i don't know.  it's a german = product, i=20 think.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C22CC3.5588AAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 13:30:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11670; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:29:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:29:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Roman = Virus? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:28:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 17:28:29.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[338F67B0:01C22CEE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got an email from "loopers delight" (hotmail doesn't show the addresses unless you open the email) with the title "New Roman". It's about the same size as a virus (121k) so I didn't open it. Was this a legitimate email? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 13:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11713; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:29:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:29:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c22ced$8ebb3520$0a15893e@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Kyma for sale Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:23:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_Dn-YB.A.t2C.1fFN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm reluctantly selling mine. Its the (newer) Capybara 320. Excellent nick etc. I'm asking £1500 which is about 2350 dollars. Therea a pcmcia interface for laptop use as well as pci card. It IS the most powerful system on earth and with Dennis Leas' amazing software a mighty looper indeed. Contact me off list if interested. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 13:45:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12999; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:44:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:44:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020716174355.77429.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:43:55 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A cautionary note on fixing your wall warts to the strip- once at a gig my noise-o-verb wasn't powering up. I had taped the wall wart down but one of the prongs wasn't making contact. Luckily I had a sharp object in my bag to cut it loose and put a little twist in the prong. So, be prepared to remove your fasteners if you have to. Yours in rhythm, Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 14:15:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15919; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:14:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:14:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:13:15 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Kyma for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <040901c22cf4$7444bf20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <000901c22ced$8ebb3520$0a15893e@GarethWhittock> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i gotta say, dennis' LCK is going to make a believer out of anybody who buys this. he has some very, very cool stuff that will be unavailable on any other device. and these things are very rarely available for sale used... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Kyma for sale > I'm reluctantly selling mine. Its the (newer) Capybara 320. Excellent nick > etc. > I'm asking £1500 which is about 2350 dollars. > Therea a pcmcia interface for laptop use as well as pci card. > It IS the most powerful system on earth and with Dennis Leas' amazing > software > a mighty looper indeed. > > Contact me off list if interested. > > Gareth > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 14:16:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16064; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:15:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:15:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:14:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 18:14:24.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D293100:01C22CF4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a patch bay in the back of my rig, with all my cables going into it, then back to the mixer. This gives me several advantages. - I never have to reach into my rig for cables, possibly unseating other cables in the process - Reduced setup time - all the outs I - Less wear and tear on rack gear and mixer, since the cables connected to it aren't being pulled around the stage - The connects are half normaled, so that I can remove a signal from my mixer and feed it straight out to the stage mixer, or into my mixer at home, just by pluging in the new cable.(or mult the signal by plugging into the other connection). With no fuss at all, and an 8 channel snake I have just for this purpose, I can give a house engineer separate feeds from my synth, stick, and loopers and have >them< worry about gain, balance and eq. In the same manner, when the rig comes home to record, I can feed my computer with the same outs. I still have to solve the power cable problem, with some 2 foot leads etc - (the ones I mentioned earlier on the list turn out to be unsuitable) but the result I am hoping for is a rig that I >never< need to open up, for any reason. We can all dream, I suppose :> I'm thinking of drilling some screws through the walls of my rack, to hang the power strips from. Sturdier than the gooey duct tape in there now... bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:34 PM Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... > Hey kids. > > So, I had a slight meltdown at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Upon unpacking > tonight, I realized that heat in my car had softened the duct tape that > was holding some wallwarts into their powerstrips, and they fell out and > took some cables with them. It didn't matter much due to what I had > planned to do, but it brings me to the question: > > How do people keep it all together? It seems to me like every other gig > SOMETHING is getting pulled out. I'm not the only one, I believe Ted > also had this issue at the festival. Usually, I can recover, but with a > quick setup time, I just gave up. Regardless, it's a pain in the ass at > any show. Is there a tip or trick anyone has for such things? Does > anyone know where one can get generic computer style power cords in 1 or > 2 foot lengths? > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 14:22:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16505; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:22:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:21:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161421.AA992411762@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <80YjsB.A.YBE.xQGN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use industrial velcro to secure my line lumps to the side or bottom of the rack. Works pretty well, but it isn't gaurenteed. For plane travel, I disconnect them and bring them separately. Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Hamburg Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:39:30 -0700 >So, now we've got solutions to IEC powered items: Get short power cables. > >We also have answers for wall warts: Use cable ties to tie them to the power >strip. > >Any advice on what to do about line lumps? Any good way to tie them down so >they won't slide around? > >For Loopfest, I taped my four line lumps together and just counted on having >enough cables crammed into a small rack that they wouldn't move too much in >transit. It isn't a great solution for lots of travel, however. (Which >reminds me. I should get the tape off before it becomes a sticky mess...) > >Mark > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 14:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17212; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:31:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020716113032.03590540@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:32:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New Roman = Virus? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:28 AM 7/16/2002, matt davignon wrote: >I just got an email from "loopers delight" (hotmail doesn't show the >addresses unless you open the email) with the title "New Roman". It's >about the same size as a virus (121k) so I didn't open it. > >Was this a legitimate email? that didn't come from the list, and it probably is a virus. Most likely the klez virus on somebody's machine forged the looper's delight address in the from field. This has been going on a lot. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 14:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18661; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:48:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:48:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:44:35 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <1ZP23B.A.BjE.ppGN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:39 AM -0700 7/16/02, Mark Hamburg wrote: >Any advice on what to do about line lumps? Any good way to tie them down so >they won't slide around? You can use a combination of velcro and cable ties. If your rack has rear rails you can run the cable ties through the screw holes and wrap them around the line lump cables (one at each end of the lump) and around the lump itself. You can also buy adhesive mounting widgets that are specially designed for tying cables to. If you haven't seen these, they're usually square with a double-stick surface on one side and a small projection on the other. The latter has a hole through it that you can run a cable tie through. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 14:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19611; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:56:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:56:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:55:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161455.AA544342248@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second Jonathan's recommendation. Patchbays are really useful for racking up stuff. I tend to customize my road case for the gig, so that I end up racking different stuff in different ways every time. At home I have the "uber" case that has all my road gear patched into audio and MIDI patch bays. It allows me to test out all sorts of different combinations and orders of gear without having to patch and repatch. Also, it lets me patch my road gear into my studio patch bays easily. If I had a consistent road setup, I'd definitely set it up along Jonathan's recommendation. I've been planning to get one of the cheaper patchbays with removable cards so that I can build a custom housing to do something similar with my pedal board. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 15:00:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21277; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:59:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:59:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D346D0B.3CF8795A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:59:22 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Velcro has been working fine for me. The self adheasive kind. It's only the duct tape that lost it's grip during my trip. Mark Sottilaro Mark Hamburg wrote: > So, now we've got solutions to IEC powered items: Get short power cables. > > We also have answers for wall warts: Use cable ties to tie them to the power > strip. > > Any advice on what to do about line lumps? Any good way to tie them down so > they won't slide around? > > For Loopfest, I taped my four line lumps together and just counted on having > enough cables crammed into a small rack that they wouldn't move too much in > transit. It isn't a great solution for lots of travel, however. (Which > reminds me. I should get the tape off before it becomes a sticky mess...) > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 15:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22169; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:04:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D346DF1.4DCCDF26@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:03:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rack Dreams References: <20020716072939.11532.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> <00f101c22ca2$4d823c20$0201a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While we're at it, how many Repeater users HATE the fact that the chassis is angled! Because it's angled and shallow, there's NO good place to put it in a rack, unless it's in a rack with all other Electrix gear. VERY bad design, IMO. Makes plugging things into it really hard. Mark Sottilaro "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > How about a single rack space in a block that is off to the side and > vertical, so to provide easy plug access to all devices in the rack > assembly? > Stephen P. Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Tidwell" > To: "Loopers Delight" > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 08:29 AM > Subject: Rack Dreams > > > I wish.... > > > > Rack makers would use the dead space at top & bottom > > to provide patch points. I've been tempted to dis- > > assemble one of my patch bays, break out my drill > > set, & see what happens. > > > > For that matter, someone ought to make a 1/2 rack > > space HIGH patch bay. My 12 space rack has an odd > > space left over due to a home made sliding shelf. > > It could be handy to have patch points at different > > levels off the rack also. I've been tempted to > > disassemble one of my patch bays, break out the > > band saw, & see what happens. > > > > I wish equipment makers would design their products > > so you could run cable from the midi & cv connections > > on the back panel to a corresponding plug on the > > rack ear. > > > > I wish someone made a single space rack mixer with > > 16 channels & 8 fx sends. I'm reasonable - I wouldn't > > even demand EQ. :) > > > > John > > > > ===== > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 15:16:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23742; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:14:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:14:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:14:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 19:13:30.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF2A7E80:01C22CFC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > and around the lump itself. You can also buy adhesive mounting > widgets that are specially designed for tying cables to. If you > haven't seen these, they're usually square with a double-stick > surface on one side and a small projection on the other. The latter > has a hole through it that you can run a cable tie through. I've tried these adhesive anchors and my repeater line-lump eventually ripped them off the skb rack case wall and then it dangled. Maybe some really big ones might do it, but I would be suspect; I used 4 adhesive anchors each 1" square and they still came off. I would recommend a zip tie anchor that is designed to be bolted on - drill a hole in your rack case and use a small bolt to attach the anchor. Or possibly just drill a couple of holes to thread the zip ties through - depends on how much you want to keep your rack case "stock." Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 15:40:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27482; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:39:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:39:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:35:22 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... In-reply-to: <3D346D0B.3CF8795A@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3D346D0B.3CF8795A@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:59 AM -0700 7/16/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Velcro has been working fine for me. The self adheasive kind. duct >tape that lost it's grip during my trip. I personally avoid using duct tape for anything except ducts. It's generally much better to pay a bit extra and use real gaffer's tape. Even then tape is probably not a good choice for rigging anything that is intended to be permanent or otherwise long-lasting. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 16:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08006; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:49:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:49:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:48:41 -0700 Subject: Thank You From: e o To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c22d35$6599f3a0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-OBUFB.A.M7B.jaIN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been playing with my Echoplex with renewed joy today. I have learned so much this past weekend. Thank you, Rick, Hans, Kim and everyone else who has given selflessly to catalyze the community supporting this art form. Community is the true art. Many blessings, e o -- Eric Oberthaler Composer | Performer | Teacher http://www.ericoberthaler.com http://www.soundsliketree.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 16:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09451; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:58:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c22d0b$9b7bfec0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5CEA7308-9875-11D6-BF9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kid, I found out that these are the details that actually make the difference between a crappy rack containing expensive gear and a pro rack. Some of the ideas I adhere to to avoid the former and reach the latter: i) no tape. Use cable ties, solutions using metal objects and screws where appropriate. ii) use self-built power-distribution strips. In the case of my main rack, there are three of them; one of them with 8 sockets with switch, screwed to the bottom of the rack. Two more, suited for being screwed to the wall, srewed to the sides, with custom cables (short ones). iii) avoid wallwarts at all costs. This can be done by a)cleverly shopping for gear, b) custom power supplys (don't know if this exists as a commercial solution, but one can integrate a transformer, rectifier and several of the low-power jacks to get rid of all external power supplies once and for all). iv) avoid external power supplies at all costs. This can be done by see above. If you absolutely have to use one (the Repeater comes to mind), be sure to construct some mimic to fasten it securely to the rack as described in i). v) make your cahles as short as possible. Have enough patch cables of different lengths ready. Plan the arrangement of the devices in the rack by minimizing cable lenths (especially makes sense in those 20+ HU racks). vi) floorboards are an issue of its own, and where I don't have extensive experience. In my case, a few devices are on the floor, and these are not wired or held in place in a professional way. I suggest you do better. vii) When connecting external components with more than two cables, think about some kind of multipin connector. Example: the keyboard rack with the SY85 and the Equinox connects to the main rack with 10 cables in total. A huge time saver is a custom multicore... viii) Tie your external components to the rack with a firmly attached string that is slightly shorter than your cables. Some of this actually extends over the point of your question. Sorry. Yet I can say of the things in my rack nothing will get pulled out. And using point viii), nothing gets disconnected, either. This leaves only the connections to the main mixer and the power feed for possible disconnection, but this won't happen as I don't move around the main rack onstage. Of course, I could still disconnect the cable from my bass's GK2B hexaphonic pickup... Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Dienstag, 16. Juli 2002 06:35 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... > > > Hey kids. > > So, I had a slight meltdown at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Upon > unpacking > tonight, I realized that heat in my car had softened the duct > tape that > was holding some wallwarts into their powerstrips, and they > fell out and > took some cables with them. It didn't matter much due to what I had > planned to do, but it brings me to the question: > > How do people keep it all together? It seems to me like > every other gig > SOMETHING is getting pulled out. I'm not the only one, I believe Ted > also had this issue at the festival. Usually, I can recover, > but with a > quick setup time, I just gave up. Regardless, it's a pain in > the ass at > any show. Is there a tip or trick anyone has for such things? Does > anyone know where one can get generic computer style power > cords in 1 or > 2 foot lengths? > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 17:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11151; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c22cd9$3981abc0$0cf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020716072939.11532.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> <00f101c22ca2$4d823c20$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D346DF1.4DCCDF26@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Rack Dreams Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:58:18 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Makes plugging things into it really hard." same thing with the sherman filterbank. why on earth is it shaped like it is? for table-top use, sure, but it comes with rack ears and 6 terribly inconvenient ways to rackmount it. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 17:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13525; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:18:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: cheap looper Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:18:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c22d0e$4cb04e10$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, there are a lot of options available, most of which you'll know at least by name (Boomerang, Digitech PDS8000, ZVex Lo-Fi Loop Junkie, Akai Headrush, Line6 Dl4). I do own the Dl4 and the Headrush, and have been playing for a short time with a PDS8000. My recommendation: get the DL4. Reasons: This is a superb delay. Delay time is only ~5sec. (in comparison to the PDS8000s 8sec. and the Headrush's 23sec.), BUT: excellent sound quality, true stereo delays, solid stompbox, lots of interesting AND accurately modelled "vintage" delays (I only know the SpaceEcho in its original form, but the guys from the dubreggae combo I used to play in gave me completely flabberghasted looks when I appeared at a show with a small green stombox which - among other things - sounded exactly like their huge SpaceEchos), a chorus, LFO-modulated filter and tube and tape distortion as nice addons, and a 14sec. loop recorder with reverse, stutter and halftempo functionality plus a 800msec. delay), and the option to connect any expression pedal for realtime control. I liked this from day one as a simple looper and cool delay, but just recently found out what it really does and how much I use it when I moved it from my main rig to my live rig (because I thought I could do what I used to do with the DL4 with my lots of other effects, like headrush, FireworX, HR-GP5, Studio4, Vortex, RS3, D2 etc - mistake!). The Headrush is cheaper, sounds worse, has a maximum delay time of ~23sec. in standard delay mode, a stupid overdub logic which halves available loop time, and can emulate a four-head tape echo (max. delay time of 5.6sec) sending out the separate heads to 4 separate outputs, allowing for some real madness...but this is rather a specialized option. The PDS8000 allows for modulated long delays that sound completely honkers. The Boomerang is the only stomplooper for long loops. The ZVEX can't overdub... None of these devices will allow you to make that kind of outstanding music contained on your CD, though... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 16. Juli 2002 19:06 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: cheap looper > > > I finally decided to include my Loopdelay and EDP into my > home studio rack - > which I'd only put on the road for rare _real_ gigs, not for > sessions and > small events where I'd not really make use of them anyway. > For small events, > I'd rather use a cheap floor based looper. Which one should I > buy? It should > be a small and lightweight stomp box, easy to use, and it > wouldn't have to > do more than just long delays. > > = michael peters > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 17:33:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15700; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:32:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:32:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <168.109c52e3.2a65eab9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:31:37 EDT Subject: y2k2 loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_168.109c52e3.2a65eab9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_168.109c52e3.2a65eab9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/02 4:48:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, listenup@soundsliketree.com writes: > Community is the true art. > eric hit the nail on the head.....the music was wonderful but hanging with so many kool folk was the tops (schznitz).....BIG THANKS to rick and chris and to all involved in a magical (too short, hans are you going to give us 3 days?) weekend.....btw, where has that lazy bum walker been hiding today, havent heard a peep out of him.....:).....michael --part1_168.109c52e3.2a65eab9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/02 4:48:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, listenup@soundsliketree.com writes:


Community is the true art.

eric hit the nail on the head.....the music was wonderful but hanging with so many kool folk was the tops (schznitz).....BIG THANKS to rick and chris and to all involved in a magical (too short, hans are you going to give us 3 days?) weekend.....btw, where has that lazy bum walker been hiding today, havent heard a peep out of him.....:).....michael
 --part1_168.109c52e3.2a65eab9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 17:43:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17198; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:42:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:42:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: EDP Question Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:56:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you know how to get the Next Loop function to start at the beginning of the loop instead of wherever it left off at? -Arthur Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 17:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17999; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:47:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:47:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: RE: "Plex" Questions Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:01:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <003f01c22bf4$9116a470$06f8c440@g0wn7> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your help. -a -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Plex" Questions ummm...i'm pretty sure all of those issues are covered in the manual. check the quantize function for the mute issues. you can usually find the answers to your questions in one of two places: the manual and the archive. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 18:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27621; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c22ce9$5f16ff60$02f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Question Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:53:53 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com getting from, say loop1 to loop2? or getting back? once again, i believe this will have to do with quantizing. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 19:03:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29655; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:02:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:02:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <001301c22ce9$5f16ff60$02f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: EDP Question Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:02:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 23:01:41.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF6F6CC0:01C22D1C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've wondered the same thing. Lets say you set quantize to cycle and loop2 has 4 cycles in it. If you switch out of loop2 at the end of cycle 1, then next time you come back to loop2, it will start at the beginning of cycle2. The question is, how do you make it come back into loop2 starting at the beginning of cycle1? Jon > getting from, say loop1 to loop2? > > or getting back? > > once again, i believe this will have to do with quantizing. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 19:04:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29724; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: RE: EDP Question Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:17:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <001301c22ce9$5f16ff60$02f8c440@g0wn7> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have quantize off which solved my other problem. But say I've got two loops going and if you switch to either of them before the current loop is finished it will come back in at the closest cycle from where you left it. It would be nice if it could just start back at the beginning every time. -arthur -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Question getting from, say loop1 to loop2? or getting back? once again, i believe this will have to do with quantizing. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 19:05:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30114; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:04:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Rack Dreams Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <028501c22d1d$19354c20$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D346DF1.4DCCDF26@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually put the Mo-FX on the backside of my rack. Because it's so shallow, it seemed to work well in that spot. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Rack Dreams > > > While we're at it, how many Repeater users HATE the fact that > the chassis is angled! Because it's angled and shallow, > there's NO good place to put it in a rack, unless it's in a > rack with all other Electrix gear. VERY bad design, IMO. > Makes plugging things into it really hard. > > Mark Sottilaro > > "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > > > How about a single rack space in a block that is off to the > side and > > vertical, so to provide easy plug access to all devices in the rack > > assembly? Stephen P. Goodman > > EarthLight Productions > > * > > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! > > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Tidwell" > > To: "Loopers Delight" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 08:29 AM > > Subject: Rack Dreams > > > > > I wish.... > > > > > > Rack makers would use the dead space at top & bottom > > > to provide patch points. I've been tempted to dis- > > > assemble one of my patch bays, break out my drill > > > set, & see what happens. > > > > > > For that matter, someone ought to make a 1/2 rack > > > space HIGH patch bay. My 12 space rack has an odd > > > space left over due to a home made sliding shelf. > > > It could be handy to have patch points at different > > > levels off the rack also. I've been tempted to > > > disassemble one of my patch bays, break out the > > > band saw, & see what happens. > > > > > > I wish equipment makers would design their products > > > so you could run cable from the midi & cv connections > > > on the back panel to a corresponding plug on the > > > rack ear. > > > > > > I wish someone made a single space rack mixer with > > > 16 channels & 8 fx sends. I'm reasonable - I wouldn't > > > even demand EQ. :) > > > > > > John > > > > > > ===== > > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 19:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31438; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:14:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:14:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Jamman price Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:28:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know what used Jamman's are going for that have the upgraded memory? -a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 19:25:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00384; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:24:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:24:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D34AA41.77435C7@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:20:32 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tbe SamplerStyle parameter solves this. If it's set to "run," it'll take you back to wherever you left off in the loop. But... If it's set to "Sta" (or "start",) then it'll do what this thread is looking for - play the loop back from the beginning every time you go back to it. Much fun! --Andre EDP Jedi At Large From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 19:30:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01339; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:29:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:29:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D34AC21.BA0715C1@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:28:31 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jamman price References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine just went for $350 ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: > Does anyone know what used Jamman's are going for that have the upgraded > memory? > -a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 19:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01566; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: RE: EDP Question Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:44:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3D34AA41.77435C7@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only Sampler Style Parameters I have on mine is "run", "one" and "att" Maybe I could make some cell-phone calls if I set it to "at&t" ;-) -Arthur P.S. I have version 5.0 -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Question Tbe SamplerStyle parameter solves this. If it's set to "run," it'll take you back to wherever you left off in the loop. But... If it's set to "Sta" (or "start",) then it'll do what this thread is looking for - play the loop back from the beginning every time you go back to it. Much fun! --Andre EDP Jedi At Large From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 19:35:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02327; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:34:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:34:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715222721.00baea20@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:39:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Resent-Message-ID: <9RRMNB.A.ij.M1KN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got me one of them furman pluglock thingies for wall warts, It works great, clamps them babies right down. Wall warts check in, they don't check out. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 20:08:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08206; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQb4DigAwOZSZs6Xqv+0xBUEt6uIwIVAKD2TE62+pWs7Qa5mPsTDs5LGAfE From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:05:34 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater question Message-ID: <21456-3D34B4CE-872@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Mark Sottilaro 's message of Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:15:44 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now my question shows my ignorance, what do the numbers OS 1.3 mean? and I believe I saw different #'s like 1.5 and 2.0. Have I not. I'm getting ready to purchase a peater and want to get the best one I can. Thanx in advance. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 20:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08563; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D34B467.B7C8A825@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:03:50 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: > The only Sampler Style Parameters I have on mine is "run", "one" and "att" Ah... the "start" parameter is new to the LoopIV upgrade. :-/ > Maybe I could make some cell-phone calls if I set it to "at&t" ;-) I'm sure Matthias could probably work something out... --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 20:29:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10954; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:28:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:28:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQnYsDnSE8o+I2e8ol+yyF84NCbBQIUV5JKbmwURBFUJV3Mvh5QS1u6BHU= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:27:26 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: crystal bowls Message-ID: <21450-3D34B9EE-6058@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Jimmy Fowler" 's message of Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:58:18 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who mentioned that they start their looping with crystal bowls not to long ago. Please e:mail me I have a question. Thanx, Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 20:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13878; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:51:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:51:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D34B467.B7C8A825@earthlink.net> References: <3D34B467.B7C8A825@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:51:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Question (SamplerStyle=Sta) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: > >> The only Sampler Style Parameters I have on mine is "run", "one" and "att" > >Ah... the "start" parameter is new to the LoopIV upgrade. :-/ > >> Maybe I could make some cell-phone calls if I set it to "at&t" ;-) > >I'm sure Matthias could probably work something out... me? I am behind again, there is so much going on here... originally I thought that we only want to jump to the start of a loop if we leave the previous at the end, so NextQuant=Cyc (+ care to switch in the last cycle) solved this. Then this question came up anyway. So we made the Sta value Andre mentioned for Loop4 Then Andy found that in Loop3, Att does the same thing, althought it was meant for keyboard triggering! Choose *Att*, Arthur, and do your uni-phone call to the next loop spirit... [ I never understood why the phone-cells were abandoned for a bone called cell-phone... in Switzerland they call it "Handy" (yes the english word!), but we feel embarassed to say that, so the worlds most popular technical tool does not have a decent name... but we call it anyway, just by dialing to it :-) ] -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 21:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16174; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:59:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:59:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:59:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Rolf Spuler From: Matthias Grob Subject: OT: 12 string Deacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After a Grobschnitt concert in 1984 I needed a 12 string solid body, too. Its fun for dirty solos! I waited long and paid a lot and used it for a year or two and later nobody wanted to buy it and I stored it and forgot about it. Recently someone mentioned he would like to have one and I did not know where mine was. Now I found it again and dont remember who wanted it... Ovations Deacon has a nice ergonomical form similar to Klein and a nice flat neck. Mine is all original sunburst with 2-3 scratches, simplified electronics (can be recuperated) and in neck position a Les Paul pickup instead of the thin sounding original (which still comes along, too). -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 21:51:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21537; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:50:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:50:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Brookdale Lodge in Question (OT)--Y2K2 Looping Festival Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:31:12 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c22d31$c2909d60$f007f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D2B2E4600005F2B@mta08.san.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A recap-- Chris Roberts recently received some good natured ribbing from Mark Sottilaro concerning certain questionable lodging recommended for the Santa Cruz thing-- My partner observed, "They aren't spending a lot of money keeping it up." She also said, "No wonder no President since Herbert Hoover has stayed there." The folks behind the counter were flat out rude when I checked out on Monday (before the traditional brunch--good food, great company.) We couldn't make it back to San Diego in one day--we took Highway 1 and caught Point Lobos on Rick Walker's recommendation--Lucia was also very beautiful (got a sample of baby birds chirping whilst being fed). Stayed in Santa Maria at the Holiday Inn last night and it was very new and corporate--and the same price ($99) as the Lodge--but no redwoods! Nice to meet, play for, and listen to everybody-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 16 22:25:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26310; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:24:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:24:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Foot control footware (was Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:05:31 -0700 Message-ID: <006001c22d36$6fbaeb40$f007f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1026465250.1376.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0JRWEC.A.AZG.qUNN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whole lotta barefoot loopers at the Santa Cruz thing-- Gary Jeffrey Lomas wrote: have you looked at wrestling shoes or those rubber slippers that surfers where? On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 20:28, Neil Goldstein wrote: > I find that the top row of the PMC-10 hard to use in a precise manner unless > I'm barefooted. They're too close together for most shoes, and I false > trigger switches on the lower row too much. I was thinking rock climbing > shoes would be about as good as functionality as it would get. Any other > ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 00:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10317; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:15:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020716221525.007db6d0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:15:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Thanks and a ? In-Reply-To: <57CBA391.4C1C54A7.000547A6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA10198 Resent-Message-ID: <695XWC.A.lfC.08ON9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rob, the quick answer is yes, regarding the changing noise depending on certain button presses, on the Repeater. Having said that, I've only heard it change on two operations. The first being erasing tracks, and the second being copying data from internal memory to the CFC. My posts regarding this should be in the fairly recent archives. - -about 2 or 3 weeks ago. I A/B'ed it with a new Repeater from Electrix, and the new one sounds the same, though I haven't tested it with the erase and copy operations. -Best of luck... Smiles, CQ At 11:54 AM 7/16/02 -0400, you wrote: >Good Day Team Looper! > >Short time lurker, first time poster. > >First, I just wanted to thank those of you who spend the time (make the time) to interact and share knowledge, skills, and opinions. I'm just a hobbyist (hack) but because of you I've found a way (the confidence to try) to make the music that I've enjoyed (Soundscapes, Ambient) and has been in my head since back when I use to have a full head of hair. I use a Gibson Les Paul, POD, GR33, EDP, 4-track recorder and I just received the last Repeater from Musicians friend. While I've only just begun to scratch the surface of the possibilities I've read about here, the pure enjoyment of creating what I like to call 'spontaneous sound' is very gratifying. > >Anyway……the new Repeater I have has a 'hum' emanating from the headphone jack (in the headphones only). The frequency of the 'hum' changes as different buttons illuminate on the front of the unit. Short somewhere? Any ideas? It is something I can live with but just wanted to know if anyone else has come across this situation. > >Again thanks and someday I hope I can contribute something of value to those who have help me so much. > >v/r >Rob Pilkington > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 00:24:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11485; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:22:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020716222144.007cb260@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:21:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Grooveboxes (was Re: Electrix/IVL petition) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, first off, thanks soooo much! I'll check out the review. If you don't mind, I'd like to also e-mail ya privately concerning the 505. I am interested, and would like to know a bit more if that's ok? Thanks bunches... Smiles, CQ At 09:53 AM 7/16/02 -0700, you wrote: >The MC-505 is older than the MC-307 but has more individual outs, an >integrated power supply, a D-Beam and a variety of other additional >features. On the other hand, the 307 offers other control options. The >following review of the 307 makes a fair number of comparisons between the >two: > >http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/jun01/articles/rolandmc307.asp > >If you want a 505, I would be willing to sell mine. It's in great condition. >Never been on the road (not even to a looping festival). > >Mark > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 00:51:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15271; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:50:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:50:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020716224317.007aa630@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:43:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: repeater question In-Reply-To: <21456-3D34B4CE-872@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The latest OS is 1.1 and it looks as if that will be the case from now on... The unit can be upgraded pretty easily though, without having to have it serviced. Smiles, CQ At 05:05 PM 7/16/02 -0700, you wrote: >Now my question shows my ignorance, what do the numbers OS 1.3 mean? and >I believe I saw different #'s like 1.5 and 2.0. Have I not. I'm getting >ready to purchase a peater and want to get the best one I can. Thanx in >advance. Bill/Las Vegas > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 01:04:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17928; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:02:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c22d1c$6b5286e0$09f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <006001c22d36$6fbaeb40$f007f843@gary> Subject: Re: Foot control footware (was Expanded Midi Commands and the EDP) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:59:18 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe this explains the goofy baseball umpire-looking kicks that robert fripp can be seen wearing in the robert fripp string quintet video...lots of close-together buttons on the floor... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 02:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30376; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020717062832.408.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:28:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: Another one for the guitarists (acoustic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207161632.MAA06063@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use an l.r.baggs ibeam with a fishman rare earth and they compliment each other very well. The ibeam has a great sound and dynamic range. Also, you might want to check out the acoustic lens at tranceaudio.com It's what the ibeam is based on and i've heard a lot of wonderful things about it. later, Ernesto > From: Jeffrey Lomas > I have a stereo pickup configuration in my > acoustic. A sunrise in the > soundhole and a fishman piezo under the bridge. > I'm thinking about > replacing the fishman with something else. Any > suggestions? > > Later > Jeff > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 03:21:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02458; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:18:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: RE: Another one for the guitarists (acoustic) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:32:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20020717062832.408.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <77qu2C.A.ml.HoRN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The McIntyre Feather Pickup is suppose to blow away the Acoustic Lens by Trance Audio with about 1/4 of the price and no installation hassles. www.mcintyrepickups.com I heard this from Greg at Pendulum audio. -arthur Sorry if this message is redundant ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Ernesto Schnack [mailto:e_schnack@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another one for the guitarists (acoustic) I use an l.r.baggs ibeam with a fishman rare earth and they compliment each other very well. The ibeam has a great sound and dynamic range. Also, you might want to check out the acoustic lens at tranceaudio.com It's what the ibeam is based on and i've heard a lot of wonderful things about it. later, Ernesto > From: Jeffrey Lomas > I have a stereo pickup configuration in my > acoustic. A sunrise in the > soundhole and a fishman piezo under the bridge. > I'm thinking about > replacing the fishman with something else. Any > suggestions? > > Later > Jeff > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 03:39:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03268; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:37:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c22d32$22614550$02f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: , References: Subject: rocktron all access BIG PROBLEM!!! Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:34:44 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C22D3A.82F28480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C22D3A.82F28480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tonight i fired up my all access only to have every possible led in the = text screen light up. the button led's did not test themselves, no = software breifing, nothing. just the entire text screen lighting up. = it wasn't sending any information either. =20 looks like something is bad wrong here. advice? -jim ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C22D3A.82F28480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
tonight i fired up my all access only to have every possible led in = the=20 text screen light up.  the button led's did not test themselves, no = software breifing, nothing.  just the entire text screen lighting = up. =20 it wasn't sending any information either. 
 
looks like something is bad wrong here.  advice?
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C22D3A.82F28480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 04:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05813; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:05:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:05:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:04:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: Jamman price Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm selling mines for 350,00 euro each one :-) doei! Faisal >Does anyone know what used Jamman's are going for that have the upgraded >memory? >-a -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 04:18:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06322; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: looping tits on LD site?? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:23:51 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200207170416.AAA10622@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Kim, not sure what kind of a site 'Bullz-eye.com' is and what a 'guys portal to the net' is good for but ... do we really need half-naked ladies ads on the LD site? I wouldn't object to ads that show half-naked loopers though ... :-) = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 04:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07499; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020717085540.54012.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now you know who put the "OO" in LOOPERS!!! John --- Michael Peters wrote: > hi Kim, > > not sure what kind of a site 'Bullz-eye.com' is and > what a 'guys portal to > the net' is good for but ... do we really need > half-naked ladies ads on the > LD site? I wouldn't object to ads that show > half-naked loopers though ... > :-) > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 04:58:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07501; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: looping tits on LD site?? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:55:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c22d6f$c7f16120$04d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-3f7fD.A.50B.nETN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans does The Full Monty? Gary PS I don't mind sexist ads as long as it keeps LD alive. G -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters: hi Kim, not sure what kind of a site 'Bullz-eye.com' is and what a 'guys portal to the net' is good for but ... do we really need half-naked ladies ads on the LD site? I wouldn't object to ads that show half-naked loopers though ... :-) = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 08:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17793; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:41:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:41:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <19b.560b4da.2a66bf8d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:39:41 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19b.560b4da.2a66bf8d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19b.560b4da.2a66bf8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pipe cleaners are my cable ties of choice. very economical and you often have a choice of designer colors. =-) PJ --part1_19b.560b4da.2a66bf8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pipe cleaners are my cable ties of choice. very economical and you often have a choice of designer colors.                        =-) PJ --part1_19b.560b4da.2a66bf8d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 09:11:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19873; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:11:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:11:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c22d93$56f47920$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <19b.560b4da.2a66bf8d@aol.com> Subject: Re: Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:10:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: PJBMHB@aol.com pipe cleaners are my cable ties of choice. very economical and you often have a choice of designer colors. =-) PJ I like those yellow locking ties that Hefty gives with the large white kitchen garbage bags - If you have always been in the habit of tying them shut with the bags' neck anyway. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 09:20:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20221; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:20:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:20:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:18:14 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <050301c22d94$6872d100$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000001c22d6f$c7f16120$04d6f343@gary> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what's wrong with being sexy? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" > Hans does The Full Monty? > Gary > PS I don't mind sexist ads as long as it keeps LD alive. > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters: > hi Kim, > not sure what kind of a site 'Bullz-eye.com' is and what a 'guys portal to > the net' is good for but ... do we really need half-naked ladies ads on the > LD site? I wouldn't object to ads that show half-naked loopers though ... > :-) > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 09:23:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20452; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:23:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:23:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:21:58 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <051701c22d94$ede060f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <19b.560b4da.2a66bf8d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com make sure you don't use these for power cables. i got a nasty shock at a gig once when a loose one slid down as i plugged in... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Subject: THE RACK. Keeping to together... > pipe cleaners are my cable ties of choice. very economical and you often have > a choice of designer colors. =-) PJ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 09:31:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20907; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c22d95$e64edbe0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000001c22d6f$c7f16120$04d6f343@gary> Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:28:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not even getting THAT - loopers-delight.com times out from here, attempts to attach to 207.228.238.36, and then just sits there, blank. A trace is indicative of delays but not just on the host's part...? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 09:55 AM Subject: RE: looping tits on LD site?? > Hans does The Full Monty? > Gary > PS I don't mind sexist ads as long as it keeps LD alive. > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters: > hi Kim, > not sure what kind of a site 'Bullz-eye.com' is and what a 'guys portal to > the net' is good for but ... do we really need half-naked ladies ads on the > LD site? I wouldn't object to ads that show half-naked loopers though ... > :-) > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 09:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21742; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:52:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D357176.2000709@oasis-open.org> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:30:30 -0400 From: Jeffrey Lomas Organization: OASIS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? References: <000001c22d6f$c7f16120$04d6f343@gary> <002601c22d95$e64edbe0$0201a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Same here. I think there are too many people looking for naked loopers or something. :P jeff Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >I'm not even getting THAT - loopers-delight.com times out from here, >attempts to attach to 207.228.238.36, and then just sits there, blank. A >trace is indicative of delays but not just on the host's part...? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 10:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23867; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000001c22d6f$c7f16120$04d6f343@gary> <050301c22d94$6872d100$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:12:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 14:12:57.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D24D160:01C22D9C] Resent-Message-ID: <8Z1KaD.A.0zF.IuXN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me either, but those ads are anything but. Still, if they are paying Kim, I've got no problem with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:18 AM Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? > what's wrong with being sexy? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > > Hans does The Full Monty? > > Gary > > PS I don't mind sexist ads as long as it keeps LD alive. > > G > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Peters: > > hi Kim, > > not sure what kind of a site 'Bullz-eye.com' is and what a 'guys portal to > > the net' is good for but ... do we really need half-naked ladies ads on the > > LD site? I wouldn't object to ads that show half-naked loopers though ... > > :-) > > > > = michael peters > > = computer graphics + electronic music > > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 10:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24567; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:35:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:35:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.201.161.4] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:33:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 14:33:54.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA370E30:01C22D9E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I agree with Richard. Our band started using it in the late 80's to tape down cables at shows and it sure helps in keeping the cables cleaner, less gummy and it is just as durable. I like to use the plastic tubing and cable ties from Lowes to protect permanent cables in the rack or studio. I find that the George L's are perfect for making my own rack snakes and the small tubes keep the snakes tamed! Wego From: Richard Zvonar Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE RACK. Keeping to together... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:35:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc2-f10.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.237.17]) by mc2-s12.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:47:24 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc2-f10.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:37:02 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27357;Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:37:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:37:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-reply-to: <3D346D0B.3CF8795A@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net Message-id: References: <3D346D0B.3CF8795A@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 19:37:03.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[291A8910:01C22D00] At 11:59 AM -0700 7/16/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Velcro has been working fine for me. The self adheasive kind. duct tape >that lost it's grip during my trip. I personally avoid using duct tape for anything except ducts. It's generally much better to pay a bit extra and use real gaffer's tape. Even then tape is probably not a good choice for rigging anything that is intended to be permanent or otherwise long-lasting. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz Weg _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 10:51:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25308; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:50:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:47:12 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:23 AM +0200 7/17/02, Michael Peters wrote: >not sure what kind of a site 'Bullz-eye.com' is It's the kind of site that has a muscular bull with a pink bra hanging from his horns as a logo. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 11:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28442; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:43:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:43:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:42:19 -0700 Subject: Re: repeater question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <21456-3D34B4CE-872@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Operating system 1.3 is two versions higher than ever existed with the Repeater. The OS made it to version 1.1, and then Electrix folded. What this means is if there's a feature you were hoping for in the future, you can forget it. However, I find the Repeater mostly bug free. It's main issue, for me, is a weird glitch with the Repeater's MIDI clock out, making it unusable. Using a drum machine as a master clock fixes this. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 05:05 PM, William Mcallister wrote: > Now my question shows my ignorance, what do the numbers OS 1.3 mean? and > I believe I saw different #'s like 1.5 and 2.0. Have I not. I'm getting > ready to purchase a peater and want to get the best one I can. Thanx in > advance. Bill/Las Vegas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 12:20:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30636; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:18:54 -0500 From: Skip Subject: AdrenaLinn and MIDI clock In-reply-to: <1FEF63BA-97B3-11D6-811F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I kind of came to the conclusion that I'd have to get an alternate clock source. It also seems to be the only way to keep the tempo the same when recording loops (in user mode the tempo is adjusted to what Repeater 'thinks' you want if you close the loop a few milliseconds early...well, not if the metronome is on, but there's no way to make it go only to the headphones...sigh). This is super important when using MoFX. So...any comments on the AdrenaLinn? I looked at the web site when it first came out and wasn't too impressed by the Quicktime demo...the presets sounded very 'guitar center'...(but then again, so did my Pod presets until I mangled them). Stable clock? Does it send start/stop commands to control transport? How has it worked live...anything to be concerned about? thanks, -12 On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 12:24 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > It's not the unstable midi clock. Most midi clocks have a bit of > jitter. There's something weird going on at the beginning of the > loop. Sucks. Maybe it will be fixed in the 1.2 OS... Oh yeah, I > forgot, there won't be one. Do you're self a favor and use a different > device for your midi clock. (I used the output of the AdrenaLinn this > weekend in Santa Cruz... that is until the cable fell out during the > performance, and then it just got "loose" > > Never heard the click you're describing. Are you sure your gain > structure is good? > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 10:19 AM, Skip wrote: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 12:57:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31649; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:56:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:56:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c22db3$359ef140$eac0bf3f@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: References: Subject: Re: AdrenaLinn and MIDI clock Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:58:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't tell if my clock problems stem exclusively from running off of the repeater, or if the Adrenalinn has issues too. Someone here mentionned that it did, but that there is a ROM upgrade available to make things run smoother. I wrote the company asking about this, but I haven't heard back. Yea, that would be way more helpful if you could make the metronome out go to headphones. Damn, it sure is frustrating Electrix folded! I like the Adrenalinn, it's fun sometimes, but sometimes not. Some of the presets totally suck, some are pretty cool, and you can program some fun stuff. It has the kind of vibe of an "all-in-one" for dumb guitar players box, I think if you had alot of cooler stuff hooked up together it would be more fun to use than the Alinn, but you get alot for the price with the little guy. And, it's small on my pedalboard duuuuuuuddeee. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: AdrenaLinn and MIDI clock > I kind of came to the conclusion that I'd have to get an alternate clock > source. > > It also seems to be the only way to keep the tempo the same when > recording loops (in user mode the tempo is adjusted to what Repeater > 'thinks' you want if you close the loop a few milliseconds early...well, > not if the metronome is on, but there's no way to make it go only to the > headphones...sigh). > > This is super important when using MoFX. > > > So...any comments on the AdrenaLinn? > > I looked at the web site when it first came out and wasn't too impressed > by the Quicktime demo...the presets sounded very 'guitar center'...(but > then again, so did my Pod presets until I mangled them). > > Stable clock? > Does it send start/stop commands to control transport? > > How has it worked live...anything to be concerned about? > > thanks, > -12 > > > On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 12:24 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > It's not the unstable midi clock. Most midi clocks have a bit of > > jitter. There's something weird going on at the beginning of the > > loop. Sucks. Maybe it will be fixed in the 1.2 OS... Oh yeah, I > > forgot, there won't be one. Do you're self a favor and use a different > > device for your midi clock. (I used the output of the AdrenaLinn this > > weekend in Santa Cruz... that is until the cable fell out during the > > performance, and then it just got "loose" > > > > Never heard the click you're describing. Are you sure your gain > > structure is good? > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 10:19 AM, Skip wrote: > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 12:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31928; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:59:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:59:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c22db3$a9e75060$eac0bf3f@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: References: Subject: Repeater improvement list Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:01:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, just for laughs I'm going to keep a list on my computer of all the bug fixes and improvements we all want made to Repeater. Maybe I'm just in denial, but *maybe* it will be able to be improved someday. ? ..? so far MIDI Clock jitter must be fixed CFC right channel ticking sound must be eliminated get rid of the operations noises (probably not able to be fixed in software) option to route metronome click to headphones MIDI control for sync mode changes, tempo lock function, and copy function Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 13:18:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01314; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:17:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:17:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D35A6FD.1029F09D@friendlyspider.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:19:07 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What about the GNX3 ? References: <007501c22db3$a9e75060$eac0bf3f@TommyD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So no one has had a chance to check out the Digitech GNX3 and evaluate it as a looping tool, possible in lieu of the Repeater ? Sounds like a JamMan with 8 tracks, built in footpedals, expression pedal and mic input with effects and memory cards.... Or are there some drawbacks ? >From the manual, it doesn't sound like the recorder section can auto-locate, so punching in sounds problematic.... but if the looping section will lock to MIDI and there is enough control, could be cool....... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 13:32:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01932; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:31:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:31:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D35A9B1.E5B9E647@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:30:25 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AdrenaLinn and MIDI clock References: <007101c22db3$359ef140$eac0bf3f@TommyD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Dauria wrote:Someone here mentionned that > it did, but that there is a ROM upgrade available to make things run > smoother. I wrote the company asking about this, but I haven't heard back. Uh, that was me. I emailed them, and they sent me the replacement roms in the mail. Got them the next day. (they're two towns over from me though) Maybe try calling them? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 13:32:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01935; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:31:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:31:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:31:39 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2B2E4600008656@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <005501c22d31$c2909d60$f007f843@gary> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Brookdale Lodge in Question (OT)--Y2K2 Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA01864 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, I've been thinking... If life were like improvisational music, I should recommend the Brookdale Lodge at least one more time... I mean, musically speaking, if you do something once, it's a mistake, but if you repeat it, it's jazz... :) -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Gary Lehmann" >To: >Subject: Brookdale Lodge in Question (OT)--Y2K2 Looping Festival >Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:31:12 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >A recap-- >Chris Roberts recently received some good natured ribbing from Mark >Sottilaro concerning certain questionable lodging recommended for the Santa >Cruz thing-- >My partner observed, "They aren't spending a lot of money keeping it up." >She also said, "No wonder no President since Herbert Hoover has stayed >there." >The folks behind the counter were flat out rude when I checked out on Monday >(before the traditional brunch--good food, great company.) >We couldn't make it back to San Diego in one day--we took Highway 1 and >caught Point Lobos on Rick Walker's recommendation--Lucia was also very >beautiful (got a sample of baby birds chirping whilst being fed). >Stayed in Santa Maria at the Holiday Inn last night and it was very new and >corporate--and the same price ($99) as the Lodge--but no redwoods! >Nice to meet, play for, and listen to everybody-- >Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 13:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02475; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D35ABA0.1F4B53B6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:38:41 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AdrenaLinn and MIDI clock References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3ZdWXC.A.Um.ouaN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Skip wrote: > I kind of came to the conclusion that I'd have to get an alternate clock > source. > > So...any comments on the AdrenaLinn? > I totally like it. The MIDI clock out is fine. Getting MIDI in is problematic, if you have one of the first batches, which shipped with a bug. The bug produces weird clicking artifacts when the AdrenaLinn is getting any sort of MIDI clock. Getting new ROMS from the company was no problem though. Presents DEFINATLY need to be tweeked, as a bunch do sound generic on their own. However, it's pretty easy to program, and a lot of the presets are good places to start. It does have some good "bread and butter" presets too. Stuff like a flange with a rate of one bar with a 1/8 delay and a little grunge. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 14:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04532; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:03:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:03:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020717180145.28581.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:01:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater improvement list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007501c22db3$a9e75060$eac0bf3f@TommyD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tom Dauria wrote: > Hey all, just for laughs I'm going to keep a list on my computer of > all the > bug fixes and improvements we all want made to Repeater. Maybe I'm > just in > denial, but *maybe* it will be able to be improved someday. ? ..? > > so far > > MIDI Clock jitter must be fixed > CFC right channel ticking sound must be eliminated > get rid of the operations noises (probably not able to be > fixed > in software) > option to route metronome click to headphones > MIDI control for sync mode changes, tempo lock function, > and copy function I'd add: - Fix bug when copying loops to occupied location on CFC - Improve loop point transition to allow seemless drones Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 14:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05300; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:24:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:24:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020717182347.81494.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: need some help w/ repeater pitch bend To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200206260605.CAA22321@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm finding that my pitch bend wheel on my synth has no effect on pitchshifting the repeater...somehow i thought this would be an assumed part of being able to control pitch from a keyboard... the repeater responds to pitch change from the keyboard, and the synth is sending pitchbend commands on the same channel, and i'm of course holding down a key while using the wheel... so is there some MIDI implementation i'm not grasping here, or does OS 1.1 just not respond to pitch bend controller values? thanks, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 14:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05589; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:29:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:29:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: need some help w/ repeater pitch bend Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:28:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020717182347.81494.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Off the top of my head: To control pitch via MIDI w/ the Repeater, you can play notes on a keyboard or use 2 MIDI parameters. Why 2? One is for the whole (cents?) and the other for the semi-(cents?). So 2 wheels/dials/sliders are needed to input a new pitch. Also, this is for a single track, so for all tracks, you would need 8/4 (mono/stereo) knobs/sliders etc. to control pitch. There may be another way I am not aware of... -Nathan -----Original Message----- From: philip raath [mailto:philraath@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: need some help w/ repeater pitch bend i'm finding that my pitch bend wheel on my synth has no effect on pitchshifting the repeater...somehow i thought this would be an assumed part of being able to control pitch from a keyboard... the repeater responds to pitch change from the keyboard, and the synth is sending pitchbend commands on the same channel, and i'm of course holding down a key while using the wheel... so is there some MIDI implementation i'm not grasping here, or does OS 1.1 just not respond to pitch bend controller values? thanks, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 14:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06031; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:37:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:37:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D35B93C.CE9D9A6F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:36:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: need some help w/ repeater pitch bend References: <20020717182347.81494.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've actually never tried that, but I have done it with note messages. I know there is a CC# that the repeater will respond to for Pitch Bend, you'll have to consult the manual, and figure out how to map this number to output from your bend wheel. Good luck. Mark Sottilaro philip raath wrote: > i'm finding that my pitch bend wheel on my synth has > no effect on pitchshifting the repeater...somehow i > thought this would be an assumed part of being able to > control pitch from a keyboard... > > the repeater responds to pitch change from the > keyboard, and the synth is sending pitchbend commands > on the same channel, and i'm of course holding down a > key while using the wheel... > > so is there some MIDI implementation i'm not grasping > here, or does OS 1.1 just not respond to pitch bend > controller values? > > thanks, > > phil > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 14:56:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06641; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:55:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c22dc3$65f93a20$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020717182347.81494.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> <3D35B93C.CE9D9A6F@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: need some help w/ repeater pitch bend Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:54:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya- which is not possible on most keyboards I've used- I was trying to get this same idea working to control params on my 5080- too bad- C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: need some help w/ repeater pitch bend > I've actually never tried that, but I have done it with note messages. > I know there is a CC# that the repeater will respond to for Pitch Bend, > you'll have to consult the manual, and figure out how to map this number > to output from your bend wheel. Good luck. > > Mark Sottilaro > > philip raath wrote: > > > i'm finding that my pitch bend wheel on my synth has > > no effect on pitchshifting the repeater...somehow i > > thought this would be an assumed part of being able to > > control pitch from a keyboard... > > > > the repeater responds to pitch change from the > > keyboard, and the synth is sending pitchbend commands > > on the same channel, and i'm of course holding down a > > key while using the wheel... > > > > so is there some MIDI implementation i'm not grasping > > here, or does OS 1.1 just not respond to pitch bend > > controller values? > > > > thanks, > > > > phil > > > > ===== > > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > > for you too." > > -Frederick Buechner > > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 16:46:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14801; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:45:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:45:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020717131616.020f7b70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:45:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? In-Reply-To: <002601c22d95$e64edbe0$0201a8c0@eluk> References: <000001c22d6f$c7f16120$04d6f343@gary> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The LD site is back alive. It was out for the last few hours due to some mysterious problem that crashed Apache. We're checking into that to make sure it doesn't happen again. Meanwhile, sorry about that bulls-eye ad if it bothers you. (although more people click on that than most other ads, so I guess it doesn't bother some of you....) It is kind of embarrassing to have stupid things like that on the site. That particular ad is basically one of several default ads from an ad service that appears when I don't have someone paying for that spot. For some reason Electrix wasn't interested in renewing their ad campaign and I haven't had time to find someone else, so we got half-naked ladies. That ad alone doesn't pay well enough to be worth it, so I'll pull it out of rotation. Or, if there are any attractive male loopers out there, please feel free to send me half naked photos of yourselves and I'll include them in the rotation to balance things out. Maybe we can have a looper dating service, or a hot talk line where people can call to have the looper of their dreams talk to them about midi clocks and cable routing. For sure Mark Sottilaro's hairy legs would rake in the bucks. kim At 06:28 AM 7/17/2002, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >I'm not even getting THAT - loopers-delight.com times out from here, >attempts to attach to 207.228.238.36, and then just sits there, blank. A >trace is indicative of delays but not just on the host's part...? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 16:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15765; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:54:13 +0200 Subject: I have a studio! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020717180145.28581.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <5994FCF2-99C7-11D6-9C8B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After living for 2.5 years in a 35m2 two roomed apartment, I almost went mad. I just did not have the space to set up my musical gear - and this was especially the case once I received the Repeater, VF1 and various other pedals.... My girlfriend proposed the other day that we move everything from the bedroom into the lounge, and to give me the bedroom purely to do my music. I don't know why I am writing this, but I am just blown away by her understanding and charity. Anyway, hopefully in a couple of weeks or so, I will have finished the new album :) I'll upload the album in its entirety to a secret FTP site and let you guys download at will. :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 17:13:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18393; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D35D879.50600@oasis-open.org> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:50:01 -0400 From: Jeffrey Lomas Organization: OASIS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? References: <000001c22d6f$c7f16120$04d6f343@gary> <5.1.1.6.2.20020717131616.020f7b70@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Are you aware of the apache worm that was found in the wild last week? Make sure you are current on your patches. Jeff Kim Flint wrote: > The LD site is back alive. It was out for the last few hours due to > some mysterious problem that crashed Apache. We're checking into that > to make sure it doesn't happen again. > > Meanwhile, sorry about that bulls-eye ad if it bothers you. (although > more people click on that than most other ads, so I guess it doesn't > bother some of you....) It is kind of embarrassing to have stupid > things like that on the site. That particular ad is basically one of > several default ads from an ad service that appears when I don't have > someone paying for that spot. For some reason Electrix wasn't > interested in renewing their ad campaign and I haven't had time to > find someone else, so we got half-naked ladies. > > That ad alone doesn't pay well enough to be worth it, so I'll pull it > out of rotation. Or, if there are any attractive male loopers out > there, please feel free to send me half naked photos of yourselves and > I'll include them in the rotation to balance things out. Maybe we can > have a looper dating service, or a hot talk line where people can call > to have the looper of their dreams talk to them about midi clocks and > cable routing. For sure Mark Sottilaro's hairy legs would rake in the > bucks. > > kim > > At 06:28 AM 7/17/2002, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > >> I'm not even getting THAT - loopers-delight.com times out from here, >> attempts to attach to 207.228.238.36, and then just sits there, >> blank. A >> trace is indicative of delays but not just on the host's part...? > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 17:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18949; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:18:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717133930.02e10250@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:15:01 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Tom Heasley Subject: Berkeley Concert 7/20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2976122==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_2976122==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tom Heasley, tuba and other devices Saturday, July 20, 2002, 8:00 P.M. Tuva 3192 Adeline (across from Ashby Bart, at the corner of Martin Luther King & Adeline) Berkeley, California info: 510.655.9755 Forget all previous conceptions of the tuba. When Tom Heasley performs his own music for tuba, didjeridu, throat singing, live electronic processing and loop sampler, you will be transported to a cavernous panorama of sonic exploration: delicious deep drones, spiraling swells of brass shifting like seismic plates. Tom Heasley NEW CD AVAILABLE: On the Sensations of Tone, (www.innova.mu) ALSO AVAILABLE: Where the Earth Meets the Sky, (www.hypnos.com) New Reviews: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B31kveai44x07~C http://www.instrumentalweekly.com/reviewarchive/jun2002/20020605b.asp http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 603.849.7751 E: tom@tomheasley.com WEBSITE COMING SOON: TOMHEASLEY.COM --=====================_2976122==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Tom Heasley, tuba and other devices

Saturday, July 20, 2002, 8:00 P.M.

Tuva
3192 Adeline (across from Ashby Bart, at the corner of Martin Luther King & Adeline)
Berkeley, California
info:  510.655.9755

Forget all previous conceptions of the tuba.  When Tom Heasley performs his own music for tuba, didjeridu, throat singing, live electronic processing and loop sampler, you will be transported to a cavernous panorama of sonic exploration:  delicious deep drones, spiraling swells of brass shifting like seismic plates.


Tom Heasley
NEW CD AVAILABLE:  On the Sensations of Tone,  (www.innova.mu)
ALSO AVAILABLE:  Where the Earth Meets the Sky,  (www.hypnos.com)

New Reviews:  http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B31kveai44x07~C
                http://www.instrumentalweekly.com/reviewarchive/jun2002/20020605b.asp

http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
427 Alma St., Suite 206         
Palo Alto, CA  94301
P:  650.322.3633                
F:  603.849.7751
E:  tom@tomheasley.com
WEBSITE COMING SOON:  TOMHEASLEY.COM

 --=====================_2976122==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 17:22:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19332; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <5994FCF2-99C7-11D6-9C8B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: I have a studio! Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:18:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 21:20:10.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB83A2A0:01C22DD7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nice one !!!!!!!!! i know the feeling the space is fantastic ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: I have a studio! > After living for 2.5 years in a 35m2 two roomed apartment, I almost went > mad. I just did not have the space to set up my musical gear - and this > was especially the case once I received the Repeater, VF1 and various > other pedals.... > > My girlfriend proposed the other day that we move everything from the > bedroom into the lounge, and to give me the bedroom purely to do my > music. > > I don't know why I am writing this, but I am just blown away by her > understanding and charity. > > Anyway, hopefully in a couple of weeks or so, I will have finished the > new album :) I'll upload the album in its entirety to a secret FTP site > and let you guys download at will. > > :) > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 17:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19426; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020717212151.56251.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020717131616.020f7b70@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > > For some reason Electrix wasn't interested in renewing their ad > campaign Isn't that odd? > and I haven't had time to find someone else, so we got half-naked > ladies. > > That ad alone doesn't pay well enough to be worth it, so I'll pull it > out > of rotation. Or, if there are any attractive male loopers out there, > please > feel free to send me half naked photos of yourselves and I'll include > them > in the rotation to balance things out. Maybe we can have a looper > dating > service, or a hot talk line where people can call to have the looper > of > their dreams talk to them about midi clocks and cable routing. Attractive male loopers? Isn't that an oxymoron? The young ones are skinny, pimple faced, and greasy haired, the old ones are fat, scarred and wrinkled faced, and gray or balding. The intermediates are somewhere in the morph between. 8-) I have some pictures of topless EDPs, some with their eproms removed, will that balance things? I personally don't care what ads you run. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 18:11:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23885; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Repeater MIDI clock issues Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:08:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c22dde$7eb97c30$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Repeateros, first I'd like to thank you for pointing out the issue of the Repeater clock jitter. I already got angry with my Roland V-Bass because its delay clicked when syncronized with a MIDI clock - but the reason wasn't the V-Bass but the Repeater's clock (ok, it was both of them: the V-Bass and the FireworX click, while the Sony HR-GP5 and the D Two do not click). This Repeater is a bunch of crap, really. What I did up to now was: FCB1010 -> Repeater -> everything else for clock. Now I use my Sirius as a (stable) clock master. Problem: 1. I can't varispeed the Repeater anymore (when locked to a MIDI clock the Repeater's varispeed works as a pitchbend for all tracks) 2. I can't tap the tempo with my foot. This is a problem, as I sometimes have something running (i.e. a loop in the Headrush) and then add another loop in a completely different tempo in the repeater. Up until now I was playing this and at the same time tapping the Repeater with my foot...I guess I need to get an Echoplex for clocking issues. :-) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 18:17:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24696; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: need some help w/ repeater pitch bend Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:16:48 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c22ddf$a4cbc5d0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: the second paragraph. There is another way. If you have synced the Repeater to an external MIDI clock (which is to be recommended at all costs if you need a MIDI clock), the "Varispeed" CC (it's called "BPM" and works as a varispeed when running on internal MIDI clock) controls pitch for all four tracks. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlab > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan Bannow [mailto:Nathan@giza.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2002 20:28 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: need some help w/ repeater pitch bend > > > Off the top of my head: > > To control pitch via MIDI w/ the Repeater, you can play notes > on a keyboard > or use 2 MIDI parameters. Why 2? One is for the whole > (cents?) and the > other for the semi-(cents?). So 2 wheels/dials/sliders are > needed to input > a new pitch. > > Also, this is for a single track, so for all tracks, you > would need 8/4 > (mono/stereo) knobs/sliders etc. to control pitch. > > There may be another way I am not aware of... > > -Nathan > > -----Original Message----- > From: philip raath [mailto:philraath@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: need some help w/ repeater pitch bend > > > i'm finding that my pitch bend wheel on my synth has > no effect on pitchshifting the repeater...somehow i > thought this would be an assumed part of being able to > control pitch from a keyboard... > > the repeater responds to pitch change from the > keyboard, and the synth is sending pitchbend commands > on the same channel, and i'm of course holding down a > key while using the wheel... > > so is there some MIDI implementation i'm not grasping > here, or does OS 1.1 just not respond to pitch bend > controller values? > > thanks, > > phil > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 18:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25504; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D35EF0E.B1072E63@friendlyspider.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:27:00 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I have a studio! References: <5994FCF2-99C7-11D6-9C8B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1z95hB.A.2LG.X6eN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does your girlfriend have a twin sister who is available ? -- gary @friendlyspider.com Stuart Wyatt wrote: > My girlfriend proposed the other day that we move everything from the > bedroom into the lounge, and to give me the bedroom purely to do my > music. > > I don't know why I am writing this, but I am just blown away by her > understanding and charity. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 19:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30406; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:29:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:29:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <000401c22dde$7eb97c30$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI clock issues Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:29:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 23:28:08.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C109EC0:01C22DE9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > foot...I guess I need to get an Echoplex for clocking issues. :-) > That's the only thing that's worked for me so far, but it sure works nice to sync my repeater to the EDP - especially with LoopIV's better midi clock features! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 20:17:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01872; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Interesting Loss of EDP Front Panel Functionality with Loop IV Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:15:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c22df0$2ead3760$df07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's an interesting thing--with LoopIII I was using multiply and insert to create a 12 bar blues pattern--I make reference to the specific sequence of button presses in a post from late 2000: The song I am constructing is a blues. I play a figure for the first phrase, the "I" chord, which is two bars in length. I allow it to play one additional time (a vamp). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the second cycle begins and bar 3 or 4 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and when bar 5 begins, I am in insert mode and I play a "IV" chord figure for two bars which is a bluesy IV figure vague enough to pass for either an IV or a I7#9 (trust me). Around bar 6 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 7 arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", the original cycle. I allow this to continue through bar 8--I press insert during bar 8, and when bar 9 arrives, I play the "V" chord for two bars, pressing multiply during bar 10. When bar 10 arrives, it delivers THE SECOND CYCLE! and during bar 12 I hit multiply. Are you with me? At this point I start adding cycles every other time as before--insert, multiply--but when I press multiply, it delivers THE FIRST CYCLE! And here's some more from another post: Let's alter the chord progression. We start with the same figure for the first phrase, the "I" chord, which is one bar in length. I allow it to play one additional time (now playing bar 2). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the second cycle begins and bar 2 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and when bar 3 begins, I am in insert mode and I play the "IV" chord for two bars. Around bar 4 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 5 arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", as created by the original multiply. During bar 6, I hit insert and play the "V" chord for two bars (bars 7 and 8). During bar 8 I hit multiply. When bar 9 arrives, I expect two bars of the "I" chord. Instead I am jarred by one bar of "I" and one bar of "IV". What gives? Or to put it more clearly--with which cycle does the multiply begin? BTW the second progression corresponds to the harmonic progression for "Boil That Cabbage Down" or it would if I could get that far :=( In later posts the discussion develops--I cannot access all the posts as the Net seems to be sluggish tonight--and I was able to get the results I wanted (2 bars of the tonic) by multiplying the first cycle out to four bars for the first figure. But here's the deal: This sequence of front panel button presses no longer produces the same results in Loop IV! Doesn't look like you can follow insert with multiply to get another cycle of the original recording (I know, I've lost everybody now . . .) I discovered this when rehearsing my act for the Santa Cruz show--where I DID in fact play the "Boil That Cabbage Down" thing, but let myself get caught in the lobster trap--boy was I nervous-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 20:32:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02955; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D360C45.40A7BDBF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:31:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? References: <000001c22d6f$c7f16120$04d6f343@gary> <5.1.1.6.2.20020717131616.020f7b70@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > For some reason Electrix wasn't interested in renewing their ad campaign > and I haven't had time to find someone else, so we got half-naked ladies. Well, that's a decent consolation. I don't feel that bad now. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 20:55:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04435; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:51:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3610C2.8896254D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:50:11 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI clock issues References: <000401c22dde$7eb97c30$0601a8c0@SATAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3kYVCB.A.DEB.JDhN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the reasons I purchased the Roland MC-307 was for it's BIG turntable like slider that controls both, or either, pitch and tempo. The Repeater chases is flawlessly (well, if you go too fast, there's a slight lag, but it catches up.) I wonder if there's a device or something that could clear up that damn weird clock issue. I wouldn't go as far to say the Repeater's a piece of crap though. My opinion of them leaving the OS in this state is on the record though. Mark Jon Wagner wrote: > > foot...I guess I need to get an Echoplex for clocking issues. :-) > > > > That's the only thing that's worked for me so far, but it sure works nice to > sync my repeater to the EDP - especially with LoopIV's better midi clock > features! > Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 21:42:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08668; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:41:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:41:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c22dfb$f27cc6a0$e263f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207172211.SAA24189@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: LOOPER TITS on LD Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:39:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4WOGyD.A.bGC.JyhN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, I've been so busy with Loopfest that I haven't read a lot of the posts here this past week. So I'm assuming that the thread about the RACK is the same thread as the thread about LOOPER TITS on LD? ;-) I have have naked pictures of myself but they have dayglo green plastic in them..........does that qualify for the ad Kim wants to run? yours, Rick (and yes, now that I'm starting to financially recover from the festival and get some actual sleep in, I'll try to write the follow up to my LOOPFEST diary. Probably by the weekend if anyone cares. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 21:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09562; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:53:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:53:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c22dfd$c5f46820$e263f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207172211.SAA24189@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K2 LOOPFEST T-shirt reorder? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:52:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We sold out of the Y2K2 LOOPFEST tees on day one of the festival (24 of them). As a matter of fact it seems that someone made off with my only teeshirt :-( so I am considering making another run. Is anyone interested? The price will be $15 including p + h. The tee shirts are made on heavy duty cotton black tee shirts with white printing and they say Y2K2 LOOPFEST (in large letters) 3rd Annual Santa Cruz Looping Festival (in smaller letters) then there is a piece of ASCII art (art using only typewriter letters) of interlocking three dimensional donuts (loops) Cayuga Vault July 13-14, 2002 on the bottom. They are really sexy!!!!!! No , just kidding, but if anyone is interested let me know that you are, send me your snail mail address and the size tee shirt that you would like and I'll send you snail mail info to send me a check. I want to do this in a timely manner and I think I may not do it again, so this is your chance. Yours, Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL) PS if any loopfest participants read this, please write in and tell us just how satisfied you are with your official loopfest t-shirt.......LOL. If the response is good enough, I'm considering doing an infomercial on television nationally to sell them. Any half naked loopers want to be the sexy 'fluff' background for my infomercial? I hear that Kim Flint is becoming quite the porn impressario with his naked ads on LD.......maybe a guest shot, Kim with, say Ron Jeremy as a guest panelist........I like it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 22:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12784; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:42:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:42:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020717204246.008a6100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:42:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20020716001945.00960940@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, out of curiocity, what functions on the Repeater do you control with the MC-307? I'm needing to control which loop is played, and fading. So I want to switch loops at different times during a sequence, and then fade out at the end. Is this possible with the MC-307? -Thanks bunches... Smiles, G-Girl At 12:15 AM 7/16/02 -0700, you wrote: >Hey, > >I don't think the 307 is newer, just "the next model up." It does >indeed send CC messages, so I keep it on a separate midi channel to keep >it from driving the Repeater nuts. I'm not sure if it sends program >change... but you can probably read about it in the manual, which is a >.pdf download at www.rolandus.com > >I really do like the 307, for the most part. I wish it had velocity >sensitive pads for programming, but I bought a cheap midi controller >that does the trick. It's got some pretty cool sounds. A lot have >criticized it, and there aren't very many great acoustic sounds, but >very nice "odd" stuff. Probably similar to the 303. Other nice >features are it's tempo slider, which can be set to act like a >turntable, or just affect tempo or pitch separately, which the repeater >will chase. Fun. Since OS 1.1, I've never had tempo synch issues with >the 307 driving the Repeater. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 11:19 PM, Goddess wrote: > >> Mark, you mentioned the Groove Box, and I was curious, since I'm using >> Repeaters with an MC-303 currently, and am planning very soon, to >> upgrade >> to the 505, how well it synches? I'm also curious if the 307 is newer >> than the 505 and how it's feature set would compare, if you have an >> idea. >> Lastly, does it send Program change messages, and CC messages?... The >> 303 >> doesn't. Go figure!... lol! -Thanks bunches, for any info you can >> address. >> >> Smiles, >> >> G-Girl >> >> At 11:37 PM 7/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >>> My guess is that's impossible. From what I can tell, the Repeater is >>> ALWAYS in some degree of time stretching. One of the beautiful things >>> about it is if you're in MIDI synch mode, it will chase the clock >>> (within reason) and you're loop will be nicely synched (after a little >>> catch up if the change is fast) I think this is how it's Loop Point >>> Assist feature works (you can't turn it off) it's just subtly >>> stretching >>> your loop so it fits. It's pretty damn transparent, and one of the >>> coolest things about the Repeater. I can grab the big turntable style >>> pitch/tempo adjust on my Roland MC-307 groovebox, and bring it up, or >>> down, and the Repeater follows. A great effect. If I wanted Multiple >>> DL-4 style loopers in a box, I'd just get a pair of Echoplexes. Oh >>> damn, I forgot. I'm going to. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 10:39 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>> >>>> Not going to happen but... >>>> >>>> How many current Repeater owners would pay money for a replacement OS >>>> that >>>> eliminated the pitch shifting, time stretching, etc. and left one with >>>> essentially multiple DL4-style loopers in a box with a configurable >>>> effects >>>> loop and MIDI sync? >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >> eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 22:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13285; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:48:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:48:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020717204718.008a49c0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:47:18 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI clock issues In-Reply-To: <000401c22dde$7eb97c30$0601a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just switch out of midi synch mode when you want to change tempo manually. If I'm missing something -sorry... Smiles, G-Girl At 12:08 AM 7/18/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Repeateros, > >first I'd like to thank you for pointing out the issue of the Repeater clock >jitter. I already got angry with my Roland V-Bass because its delay clicked >when syncronized with a MIDI clock - but the reason wasn't the V-Bass but >the Repeater's clock (ok, it was both of them: the V-Bass and the FireworX >click, while the Sony HR-GP5 and the D Two do not click). > >This Repeater is a bunch of crap, really. What I did up to now was: > >FCB1010 -> Repeater -> everything else for clock. Now I use my Sirius as a >(stable) clock master. Problem: 1. I can't varispeed the Repeater anymore >(when locked to a MIDI clock the Repeater's varispeed works as a pitchbend >for all tracks) 2. I can't tap the tempo with my foot. This is a problem, as >I sometimes have something running (i.e. a loop in the Headrush) and then >add another loop in a completely different tempo in the repeater. Up until >now I was playing this and at the same time tapping the Repeater with my >foot...I guess I need to get an Echoplex for clocking issues. :-) > > Rainer > >Rainer Straschill >Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 23:25:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16658; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:24:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:24:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020717193401.00b48790@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:23:29 -0700 To: "Jon Wagner" From: armatronix Subject: Re: 15/16 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529210504.00b3ab90@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon- I'm really glad you asked me that. I didn't get it working on Sunday, but I'm just working on it now that you bring it up. Even when the drum machine is in 15/16, the EDP still wants to see 8 8ths/beat, so it records 16/16 (or 8/16 or 24/16, etc...). This can be good, because then if you overdub something on the EDP, it stays in some multiple of 8. With the EDP set for 15 8ths/cycles, that's when it records 15/16. This can be cool, too. I was just getting some really good jungley-type beats with this one combined with half-speed a la "Resident Evil" and played against the drum machine at 16/16. Four multiples of 15 sound interesting with a 15/16 bass line, too :) Add the easy polyrhythmic capabilities of the D-Two into the mix, and things start getting even more interesting. That little guy has what is essentially its own 8th/cycle (or anything up to a dotted 16th/cycle) parameter, so you can really stack up some whacky rhythms. 7/16 against 15/16 against 16/16 actually sounds pretty cool. This is really going to change things for me - I'm glad you guys got me thinking about it. I need to go have dinner now. Thanks again, talk to you later! -Hans P.S. I'll copy this to the list - others may find it useful. At 11:02 17/07/2002, you wrote: >Hans- > Did you ever figure out how to get a 15 beat loop set up on your echoplex. >Academicly wondering how to do it. >Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 23:41:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18043; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020717214104.008e1140@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:41:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020717131616.020f7b70@loopers-delight.com> References: <002601c22d95$e64edbe0$0201a8c0@eluk> <000001c22d6f$c7f16120$04d6f343@gary> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* You go Kim!!! -would love to see some hot male loopers! lollollol! I'm not at all opposed to nudity!, -just bad taste! lol! -I do afterall, have some pics of myself on my own webpage, which are of course, extremely tasteful! lol! Laters, G-Girl At 01:45 PM 7/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >The LD site is back alive. It was out for the last few hours due to some >mysterious problem that crashed Apache. We're checking into that to make >sure it doesn't happen again. > >Meanwhile, sorry about that bulls-eye ad if it bothers you. (although more >people click on that than most other ads, so I guess it doesn't bother some >of you....) It is kind of embarrassing to have stupid things like that on >the site. That particular ad is basically one of several default ads from >an ad service that appears when I don't have someone paying for that spot. >For some reason Electrix wasn't interested in renewing their ad campaign >and I haven't had time to find someone else, so we got half-naked ladies. > >That ad alone doesn't pay well enough to be worth it, so I'll pull it out >of rotation. Or, if there are any attractive male loopers out there, please >feel free to send me half naked photos of yourselves and I'll include them >in the rotation to balance things out. Maybe we can have a looper dating >service, or a hot talk line where people can call to have the looper of >their dreams talk to them about midi clocks and cable routing. For sure >Mark Sottilaro's hairy legs would rake in the bucks. > >kim > >At 06:28 AM 7/17/2002, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >>I'm not even getting THAT - loopers-delight.com times out from here, >>attempts to attach to 207.228.238.36, and then just sits there, blank. A >>trace is indicative of delays but not just on the host's part...? > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 23:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18736; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:47:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020717214740.007eb5b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:47:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: re: LOOPER TITS on LD In-Reply-To: <007201c22dfb$f27cc6a0$e263f93f@global> References: <200207172211.SAA24189@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <53fcf.A.AkE.yojN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Rick, lol! between you and I, we should start a naked loopers site! lollollol! Congrats to the max! on the way cool Loop fest!!!!! I wish I was able to make it... Hugs, CQ At 06:39 PM 7/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >You know, I've been so busy with Loopfest that I haven't read a lot of the >posts here this past week. > > >So I'm assuming that the thread about the RACK >is the same thread as the thread about LOOPER TITS on LD? ;-) > >I have have naked pictures of myself but they have dayglo green plastic >in them..........does that qualify for the ad Kim wants to run? > > >yours, Rick (and yes, now that I'm starting to financially recover from >the festival and get some actual sleep in, I'll try to write the follow up >to my LOOPFEST diary. Probably by the weekend if anyone cares. > >yours, Rick Walker > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 17 23:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19233; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:51:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:51:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: accident Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:48:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Fellow Loopists! I've been away... On July 7th, I was in a rather nasty bicycle accident. I broke my clavicle in two places; eight consecutive ribs in my back (all along my left side); snapped-off several "transverse processes" (those little ears that stick out on the sides of the vertebrae); and I had a hemothorax (collapsed lung). And the spot I crashed in? Filled with poison ivy! Fortunately, my prognosis is good. I probably will suffer no permanent paralysis. (ALWAYS wear a helmet!) Everything (all arms, legs, fingers, toes, neck, etc.) was functioning for several days immediately after the accident. Currently my left arm is non-functional but the docs believe this is temporary due to internal swelling around my left clavicle. It might seem odd, but I'm definitely celebrating my good fortune. If the impact had occurred one inch closer, I'd have a damaged spinal cord. Since I'll be off of work for a several weeks, I've re-subscribed with another address. So contact me at dennis@mail.worldserver.com instead of dennis@mdbs.com. For the next few weeks I'll probably read email rather erratically. In the meantime, I'll read the archives to catch-up. BTW: My neurologist is an mbira-ist! He showed me one of his instruments. It's the finest mbira I've every seen. One of those instruments that feels alive when you play it! (I think I'll eventually convince him to get a looper.) Great to be back! And looping! Breathe the air. Enjoy simple breathing as a kind of looping. See your family and friends and enjoy their company again. It's a kind of loop as well. Revel in life, music, and love. Perhaps they're all loops of a kind. Peace, Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 00:33:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24072; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Fascinating Restoration of EDP Front Panel Functionality with DirectMIDI in Loop IV Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c22e13$f87a0dc0$99d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601c22df0$2ead3760$df07f843@gary> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hoo boy--it gets weirder-- I just used Raymond (thank you Sean!!!) to write the DirectMIDI patches for the PMC-10--haven't gotten too far (haven't actually recorded/listened to any audio using the pedal, just pressed buttons and watched colourful lights) but one thing I notice-- The record/multiply/insert thingie works with DirectMIDI! So if I just HAVE to do the blues I can use these commands. Sorry if I seemed ungrateful or hysterical previously . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 00:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25372; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:44:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:44:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ignore Previous Transmission Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c22e15$8a810f60$99d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000301c22e13$f87a0dc0$99d6f343@gary> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I take it back-- It did not restore this function. Loop IV is awesome, it rules, I will learn to love it-- But it is different than Loop III. I'll shut up now (no, really . . .) G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 00:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26376; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:56:02 -0700 Subject: Re: LOOPER TITS on LD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007201c22dfb$f27cc6a0$e263f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wait a minute. You in dayglow green plastic, and me with my hair legs... ARE YOU THINKING WHAT I'M THINKING? HOT LOOPER ON LOOPER ACSHUN! LOVE YOU LONG TIME LOOPER! http://www.zerocrossing.net./me3.jpg Please put this in your trash and delete it ASAP. Mark Hairylaro On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, at 06:39 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > You know, I've been so busy with Loopfest that I haven't read a lot of > the > posts here this past week. > > > So I'm assuming that the thread about the RACK > is the same thread as the thread about LOOPER TITS on LD? ;-) > > I have have naked pictures of myself but they have dayglo green plastic > in them..........does that qualify for the ad Kim wants to run? > > > yours, Rick (and yes, now that I'm starting to financially recover > from > the festival and get some actual sleep in, I'll try to write the follow > up > to my LOOPFEST diary. Probably by the weekend if anyone cares. > > yours, Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 01:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28549; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:07:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:07:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix/IVL petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020717204246.008a6100@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: <376750C4-9A0C-11D6-B7B4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just start/stop (wish I could get it to send the Repeater into record when I start a beat, but I don't think so) pitch shift and beat, I'm afraid. I automate the drums (unless I'm playing with Gerard, our DJ, and then he deals with it) and I pretty much just take clock from the 307. I'm curious to see how your experimentation goes. I wish I had the time to dig deeper into the drummachine/ Repeater relationship. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, at 07:42 PM, Goddess wrote: > Mark, out of curiocity, what functions on the Repeater do you control > with the MC-307? I'm needing to control which loop is played, and > fading. > So I want to switch loops at different times during a sequence, and then > fade out at the end. Is this possible with the MC-307? -Thanks > bunches... > > Smiles, > > G-Girl > > At 12:15 AM 7/16/02 -0700, you wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I don't think the 307 is newer, just "the next model up." It does >> indeed send CC messages, so I keep it on a separate midi channel to >> keep >> it from driving the Repeater nuts. I'm not sure if it sends program >> change... but you can probably read about it in the manual, which is a >> .pdf download at www.rolandus.com >> >> I really do like the 307, for the most part. I wish it had velocity >> sensitive pads for programming, but I bought a cheap midi controller >> that does the trick. It's got some pretty cool sounds. A lot have >> criticized it, and there aren't very many great acoustic sounds, but >> very nice "odd" stuff. Probably similar to the 303. Other nice >> features are it's tempo slider, which can be set to act like a >> turntable, or just affect tempo or pitch separately, which the repeater >> will chase. Fun. Since OS 1.1, I've never had tempo synch issues with >> the 307 driving the Repeater. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 11:19 PM, Goddess wrote: >> >>> Mark, you mentioned the Groove Box, and I was curious, since I'm >>> using >>> Repeaters with an MC-303 currently, and am planning very soon, to >>> upgrade >>> to the 505, how well it synches? I'm also curious if the 307 is >>> newer >>> than the 505 and how it's feature set would compare, if you have an >>> idea. >>> Lastly, does it send Program change messages, and CC messages?... The >>> 303 >>> doesn't. Go figure!... lol! -Thanks bunches, for any info you can >>> address. >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> G-Girl >>> >>> At 11:37 PM 7/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >>>> My guess is that's impossible. From what I can tell, the Repeater is >>>> ALWAYS in some degree of time stretching. One of the beautiful >>>> things >>>> about it is if you're in MIDI synch mode, it will chase the clock >>>> (within reason) and you're loop will be nicely synched (after a >>>> little >>>> catch up if the change is fast) I think this is how it's Loop Point >>>> Assist feature works (you can't turn it off) it's just subtly >>>> stretching >>>> your loop so it fits. It's pretty damn transparent, and one of the >>>> coolest things about the Repeater. I can grab the big turntable >>>> style >>>> pitch/tempo adjust on my Roland MC-307 groovebox, and bring it up, or >>>> down, and the Repeater follows. A great effect. If I wanted >>>> Multiple >>>> DL-4 style loopers in a box, I'd just get a pair of Echoplexes. Oh >>>> damn, I forgot. I'm going to. >>>> >>>> Mark Sottilaro >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 10:39 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Not going to happen but... >>>>> >>>>> How many current Repeater owners would pay money for a replacement >>>>> OS >>>>> that >>>>> eliminated the pitch shifting, time stretching, etc. and left one >>>>> with >>>>> essentially multiple DL4-style loopers in a box with a configurable >>>>> effects >>>>> loop and MIDI sync? >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >>> eachother. >>> -Then, anything is possible..." >>> >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >>> >>> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >>> >>> >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 01:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28959; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:13:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:13:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accident Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:12:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2002 05:12:21.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1EF1110:01C22E19] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeeeeoouuch! Speedy recovery Dennis! ....Terry >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: accident >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:48:42 -0500 > >Hello Fellow Loopists! > >I've been away... > >On July 7th, I was in a rather nasty bicycle accident. I broke my clavicle >in two places; eight consecutive ribs in my back (all along my left side); >snapped-off several "transverse processes" (those little ears that stick >out >on the sides of the vertebrae); and I had a hemothorax (collapsed lung). >And the spot I crashed in? Filled with poison ivy! > >Fortunately, my prognosis is good. I probably will suffer no permanent >paralysis. (ALWAYS wear a helmet!) Everything (all arms, legs, fingers, >toes, neck, etc.) was functioning for several days immediately after the >accident. Currently my left arm is non-functional but the docs believe >this >is temporary due to internal swelling around my left clavicle. It might >seem odd, but I'm definitely celebrating my good fortune. If the impact >had >occurred one inch closer, I'd have a damaged spinal cord. > >Since I'll be off of work for a several weeks, I've re-subscribed with >another address. So contact me at dennis@mail.worldserver.com instead of >dennis@mdbs.com. > >For the next few weeks I'll probably read email rather erratically. In the >meantime, I'll read the archives to catch-up. > >BTW: My neurologist is an mbira-ist! He showed me one of his instruments. >It's the finest mbira I've every seen. One of those instruments that feels >alive when you play it! (I think I'll eventually convince him to get a >looper.) > >Great to be back! And looping! > >Breathe the air. Enjoy simple breathing as a kind of looping. See your >family and friends and enjoy their company again. It's a kind of loop as >well. Revel in life, music, and love. Perhaps they're all loops of a >kind. > >Peace, >Dennis Leas >----------- >dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 01:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29355; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:18:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:18:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.147439cb.2a67a997@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:18:15 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K2 LOOPFEST T-shirt reorder? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, In a message dated 7/17/02 6:53:40 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >the size tee shirt that you would like and >I'll send you snail mail info to send me a check. Would you consider having an XXL or two printed up? I'd love to support "the cause" but mere XLs don't fit my flabby frame . . . and no one else in the family would likely wear them (maybe my 16 year old). I've gotta go on a diet. Ciao, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 01:56:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31210; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:56:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:56:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020717225228.00bc5a60@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:54:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: LOOPER TITS on LD In-Reply-To: References: <007201c22dfb$f27cc6a0$e263f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ha! Very few photographers ever get that close to a gorilla in the wild and live to develop the film. -Hans At 21:56 17/07/2002, you wrote: >Wait a minute. You in dayglow green plastic, and me with my hair legs... >ARE YOU THINKING WHAT I'M THINKING? HOT LOOPER ON LOOPER ACSHUN! LOVE >YOU LONG TIME LOOPER! > >http://www.zerocrossing.net./me3.jpg > >Please put this in your trash and delete it ASAP. > >Mark Hairylaro > >On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, at 06:39 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > >>You know, I've been so busy with Loopfest that I haven't read a lot of the >>posts here this past week. >> >> >>So I'm assuming that the thread about the RACK >>is the same thread as the thread about LOOPER TITS on LD? ;-) >> >>I have have naked pictures of myself but they have dayglo green plastic >>in them..........does that qualify for the ad Kim wants to run? >> >> >>yours, Rick (and yes, now that I'm starting to financially recover from >>the festival and get some actual sleep in, I'll try to write the follow up >>to my LOOPFEST diary. Probably by the weekend if anyone cares. >> >>yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 04:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08851; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:24:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:24:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:23:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Interesting Loss of EDP Front Panel Functionality with Loop IV From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c22df0$2ead3760$df07f843@gary> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gary you essplaned this to me very well in santa cruz and altho' i dont be understandin much about it,hopefully you will get some answers right soon! and just a note to say what a great set you had (never thought i'd sing along to a loopster!) and w/ all the other loopers-i felt almost overwhelmed by all the talent, energy and tolerance('specially for my set :-) those two days were edjamacational and entertaining and infotaining- thanx rick,kim et al s > Here's an interesting thing--with LoopIII I was using multiply and insert to > create a 12 bar blues pattern--I make reference to the specific sequence of > button presses in a post from late 2000: > > The song I am constructing is a blues. I play a figure for the first > phrase, the "I" chord, which is two bars in length. I allow it to play one > additional time (a vamp). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. > After the second cycle begins and bar 3 or 4 of the "song" is playing, I hit > insert and when bar 5 begins, I am in insert mode and I play a "IV" chord > figure for two bars which is a bluesy IV figure vague enough to pass for > either an IV or a I7#9 (trust me). Around bar 6 or so I hit multiply again > and when bar 7 arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", the original > cycle. I allow this to continue through bar 8--I press insert during bar 8, > and when bar 9 arrives, I play the "V" chord for two bars, pressing multiply > during bar 10. When bar 10 arrives, it delivers THE SECOND CYCLE! and > during bar 12 I hit multiply. > Are you with me? At this point I start adding cycles every other time as > before--insert, multiply--but when I press multiply, it delivers THE FIRST > CYCLE! > > And here's some more from another post: > > Let's alter the chord progression. We start with the same figure for the > first phrase, the "I" > chord, which is one bar in length. I allow it to play one additional time > (now playing bar 2). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the > second cycle begins and bar 2 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and > when bar 3 begins, I am in insert mode and I play the "IV" chord for two > bars. Around bar 4 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 5 arrives, I am > treated to two bars of "I", as created by the original multiply. During bar > 6, I hit insert and play the "V" chord for two bars (bars 7 and 8). During > bar 8 I hit multiply. When bar 9 arrives, I expect two bars of the "I" > chord. Instead I am jarred by one bar of "I" and one bar of "IV". What > gives? Or to put it more clearly--with which cycle does the multiply begin? > BTW the second progression corresponds to the harmonic progression for "Boil > That Cabbage Down" or it would if I could get that far :=( > > In later posts the discussion develops--I cannot access all the posts as the > Net seems to be sluggish tonight--and I was able to get the results I wanted > (2 bars of the tonic) by multiplying the first cycle out to four bars for > the first figure. But here's the deal: > > This sequence of front panel button presses no longer produces the same > results in Loop IV! Doesn't look like you can follow insert with multiply > to get another cycle of the original recording (I know, I've lost everybody > now . . .) > I discovered this when rehearsing my act for the Santa Cruz show--where I > DID in fact play the "Boil > That Cabbage Down" thing, but let myself get caught in the lobster trap--boy > was I nervous-- > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 05:53:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15548; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 05:53:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 05:53:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: References: Subject: Re: looping tits on LD site?? Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:05:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2002 09:52:17.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCFE07A0:01C22E40] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tits on loopers delight??? COOOOL! knew there was SOMEthing missing! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 06:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18202; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:26:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:26:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c22e45$5291e770$cf2993d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: accident Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:24:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis hope everything will be back soon big kisses Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 09:23:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29649; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1C90E041D1CFD4119EA30008C75D079601AF6BAD@MAILSERVER> From: Gary Weideman To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Repeater and Drum Machine question Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:16:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, Being a new owner of a Repeater with a DR-770 I'm wondering what can and can't be done with these two connected together given the MIDI out problem with the Repeater ? Any help would be greatly appreciated !! Thanks Gary Weideman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 10:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01695; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:09:51 -0500 Subject: Audio interfaces From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000301c22e13$f87a0dc0$99d6f343@gary> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for the going opinions on a couple of audio interfaces. I've got a new G4 iMac (800Mhz, 512Mb RAM) and recently ditched my old PC on which I did all of my recording. So now I need an audio interface. I've got cash burning a hole in my pocket. =) I've can get a used MOTU 828 for about the same price (or less) as a new Tascam US-428. So let's pretend price isn't a factor. Here are my thoughts so far... The Tascam looks cool, and I like the tactile controls for mixing. However, I'm concerned about latency. I'm NOT a recording genius, so if I don't have to mess with control panels/drivers/trial and error to deal with possible latency issues, I'll be happy. Plus I don't do anything with MIDI - it just confuses me. So that's extra functionality I won't need. BUT it has OS X drivers available, which is my primary OS. The MOTU 828 by its very nature would be less likely to have latency issues, but I can't find any information regarding its compatibility (or planned compatibility) with OS X. Anyone know anything about that? Portability: I plan on using these for recording gigs as well, but I don't have a rack case. I have a mixer with its own case, but no room for additional rack units. I'd like to upgrade to a better road case, which would allow the MOTU unit to fit in. Plus I would just feel better lugging the MOTU around in a case than an unprotected Tascam unit sitting on the seat of my car or some such. What are your thoughts? If you have experience with these units, I'd love to hear pros and cons. Thanks! Mike on 7/17/02 11:31 PM, Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net said somethin' like: > Hoo boy--it gets weirder-- > I just used Raymond (thank you Sean!!!) to write the DirectMIDI patches for > the PMC-10--haven't gotten too far (haven't actually recorded/listened to > any audio using the pedal, just pressed buttons and watched colourful > lights) but one thing I notice-- > The record/multiply/insert thingie works with DirectMIDI! > So if I just HAVE to do the blues I can use these commands. > Sorry if I seemed ungrateful or hysterical previously . . . > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 10:24:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02604; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:22:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:22:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:23:07 -0700 From: andrew pask Subject: Los Angeles Gig Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More fun and games this weekend with Digitalcutuplounge. Saturday night at an Art Exhibition opening in Culver city (Free!!) See www.la-architect.com for details. We'll be on about 10 I think, but we will be doing an improvisation to go with some video work earlier on. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 10:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04502; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:48:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:48:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6EDD8@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> From: Kevin Simonson To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT: St. Louis music stores Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:46:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All. Travelling to STL for the afternoon, and was wondering if anyone had a favorite place to go for the dusty, the knobby, the unappreciated, the esoteric, the well-priced, and the obscure. Replies off-list? Thanks -Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 11:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07493; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:11:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Re: Audio interfaces Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9MAWUC.A.Z0B.xqtN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi mike I have a MOTU 828: a very good product under many aspects. I don't know nothing about compatibility with OSX. I use 9 on all my Macs. Wich audio-sequencer software would you use with it? I don't think that DP3 is running on OSX. Not yet, at least, and, since I use the 828 with DP3, I don't know nothing about the ASIO drive for the 828. But I assume that the 828 is working much better with DP and MOTU resident drive. Above all there's another issue you should consider. MOTU 828 and Tascam US-428 are not comparable. The USB is much slower so with the U-428 you can record just two tracks simultaneously. The MOTU can record up to 8. This make a big difference, don't you think...? anyhow I've seen that MOTU and Mackie have just announced a new controller for DP3 check this url http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Mackie-Control.html don't know about prices. Could be a perfect upgrade for a system based on one or more 828! ciao b:k >I'm looking for the going opinions on a couple of audio interfaces. I've >got a new G4 iMac (800Mhz, 512Mb RAM) and recently ditched my old PC on >which I did all of my recording. So now I need an audio interface. I've >got cash burning a hole in my pocket. =) > >I've can get a used MOTU 828 for about the same price (or less) as a new >Tascam US-428. So let's pretend price isn't a factor. Here are my thoughts >so far... > >The Tascam looks cool, and I like the tactile controls for mixing. However, >I'm concerned about latency. I'm NOT a recording genius, so if I don't have >to mess with control panels/drivers/trial and error to deal with possible >latency issues, I'll be happy. Plus I don't do anything with MIDI - it just >confuses me. So that's extra functionality I won't need. BUT it has OS X >drivers available, which is my primary OS. > >The MOTU 828 by its very nature would be less likely to have latency issues, >but I can't find any information regarding its compatibility (or planned >compatibility) with OS X. Anyone know anything about that? > >Portability: I plan on using these for recording gigs as well, but I don't >have a rack case. I have a mixer with its own case, but no room for >additional rack units. I'd like to upgrade to a better road case, which >would allow the MOTU unit to fit in. Plus I would just feel better lugging >the MOTU around in a case than an unprotected Tascam unit sitting on the >seat of my car or some such. > >What are your thoughts? If you have experience with these units, I'd love >to hear pros and cons. > >Thanks! >Mike > > > > > > >on 7/17/02 11:31 PM, Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net said >somethin' like: > >> Hoo boy--it gets weirder-- >> I just used Raymond (thank you Sean!!!) to write the DirectMIDI patches for >> the PMC-10--haven't gotten too far (haven't actually recorded/listened to >> any audio using the pedal, just pressed buttons and watched colourful >> lights) but one thing I notice-- >> The record/multiply/insert thingie works with DirectMIDI! >> So if I just HAVE to do the blues I can use these commands. >> Sorry if I seemed ungrateful or hysterical previously . . . >> Gary >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 11:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09993; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:40:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:40:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c22e71$392b0ce0$bba95e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: References: Subject: Re: accident Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:38:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA09930 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis: Get well soon. I hope that everything heals properly and that you'll be up and making music again ASAP! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 11:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10843; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c22e73$5f903c00$5ce8bb3f@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: References: <007f01c22e71$392b0ce0$bba95e0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: accident Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:54:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Best wishes Dennis. Maybe you can score some medicincal marijauna. Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 12:12:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13790; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013401c22e76$503eb260$4b168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Gary Phillips" , Subject: Re: What about the GNX3 ? Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:09:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Miltered: at mx Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Phillips wrote: >So no one has had a chance to check out >the Digitech GNX3 and evaluate it as a >looping tool, possible in lieu of the Repeater ? >Sounds like a JamMan with 8 tracks, built in >footpedals, expression pedal and mic input >with effects and memory cards.... >Or are there some drawbacks ? I just reviewed the GNX3 for GuitarOne magazine - the September issue, which should be on the stands in about three weeks. The BIG problem with the looping function is that there is a TOTAL of about three minutes of recording time using the internal memory in "CD" mode. There are lower-fi modes with more time, but the quality suffers. Take three minutes and spread it evenly over eight tracks and you have about twenty-two seconds per track. On-the-fly looping manipulation was difficult - it's really set up to function as a multi-track recorder. The internal effects are fair to good (and the pitch shift/whammy fx are VERY good) but overall, my feeling was that it tries to be too many things and doesn't deliver enough in any one category. Re. the mic input - it's XLR and good quality, useful for both inputting normal vocals and "processed" vocoder-like stuff, but the vocoder functions were pretty diluted. At a list price of around $700, I'd just buy the individual items: a good multi-fx pedal like the Boss GT-6 and a good looper/delay or a good digital recorder. >>From the manual, it doesn't sound like the recorder >section can auto-locate, so punching in sounds >problematic.... Yes, punching in is non-existant. >but if the looping section will >lock to MIDI I did'nt try this. and there is enough control, could be >cool....... Coulda been. I suspect some mad scientist could fiddle with it and fly with the looping, but I ain't the one. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 12:28:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15325; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:28:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:28:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:23:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Audio interfaces From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , bruno kleinefeld Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw that Mackie unit too. That looked pretty cool. Bias's Deck software is available for OS X now, which I was considering. But I think I've been convinced to go with the MOTU unit. Everyone seems to say there's no real comparing the two. Are the MOTU 828's 8 outputs pass-through, or are they affected by the volume controls? Just trying to work out the best way to use it in a live setting so that I can still use my mixer to control the live sound while not necessarily affecting the recorded mix. Also, do I understand correctly that you can record up to 8 tracks simultaneously, but can only monitor (hear) two of them? That is kind of confusing me in the literature I can find. Thanks for the input. I really appreciate it! Mike on 7/18/02 10:11 AM, bruno kleinefeld at brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com said somethin' like: > hi mike > > I have a MOTU 828: a very good product under many aspects. > > I don't know nothing about compatibility with OSX. I use 9 on all my Macs. > Wich audio-sequencer software would you use with it? > > I don't think that DP3 is running on OSX. Not yet, at least, > and, since I use the 828 with DP3, I don't know nothing about the > ASIO drive for the 828. > But I assume that the 828 is working much better with DP and MOTU > resident drive. > > Above all there's another issue you should consider. MOTU 828 and > Tascam US-428 are not comparable. The USB is much slower so with the > U-428 you can record just two tracks simultaneously. The MOTU can > record up to 8. This make a big difference, don't you think...? > > anyhow I've seen that MOTU and Mackie have just announced a new > controller for DP3 > > check this url > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Mackie-Control.html > don't know about prices. > Could be a perfect upgrade for a system based on one or more 828! > > ciao > b:k > > > > >> I'm looking for the going opinions on a couple of audio interfaces. I've >> got a new G4 iMac (800Mhz, 512Mb RAM) and recently ditched my old PC on >> which I did all of my recording. So now I need an audio interface. I've >> got cash burning a hole in my pocket. =) >> >> I've can get a used MOTU 828 for about the same price (or less) as a new >> Tascam US-428. So let's pretend price isn't a factor. Here are my thoughts >> so far... >> >> The Tascam looks cool, and I like the tactile controls for mixing. However, >> I'm concerned about latency. I'm NOT a recording genius, so if I don't have >> to mess with control panels/drivers/trial and error to deal with possible >> latency issues, I'll be happy. Plus I don't do anything with MIDI - it just >> confuses me. So that's extra functionality I won't need. BUT it has OS X >> drivers available, which is my primary OS. >> >> The MOTU 828 by its very nature would be less likely to have latency issues, >> but I can't find any information regarding its compatibility (or planned >> compatibility) with OS X. Anyone know anything about that? >> >> Portability: I plan on using these for recording gigs as well, but I don't >> have a rack case. I have a mixer with its own case, but no room for >> additional rack units. I'd like to upgrade to a better road case, which >> would allow the MOTU unit to fit in. Plus I would just feel better lugging >> the MOTU around in a case than an unprotected Tascam unit sitting on the >> seat of my car or some such. >> >> What are your thoughts? If you have experience with these units, I'd love >> to hear pros and cons. >> >> Thanks! >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> on 7/17/02 11:31 PM, Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net said >> somethin' like: >> >>> Hoo boy--it gets weirder-- >>> I just used Raymond (thank you Sean!!!) to write the DirectMIDI patches for >>> the PMC-10--haven't gotten too far (haven't actually recorded/listened to >>> any audio using the pedal, just pressed buttons and watched colourful >>> lights) but one thing I notice-- >>> The record/multiply/insert thingie works with DirectMIDI! >>> So if I just HAVE to do the blues I can use these commands. >>> Sorry if I seemed ungrateful or hysterical previously . . . >>> Gary >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 12:35:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16241; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:35:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:35:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c22e78$36415640$c5aa87d9@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: Subject: Re: accident Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:28:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3xPc1C.A.68D.a4uN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, you're a marvel. Get well soon mate. Gareth snip It might > seem odd, but I'm definitely celebrating my good fortune. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 13:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22952; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:34:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:34:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D36FC7D.A520EEED@friendlyspider.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:36:00 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio interfaces References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0kASLB.A.WmF.HwvN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got Digital Performer up and running on a G4... I'm using an older Korg 1212 card for the audio interface and a MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface. I used to use Deck for everything and locked it to Metro for MIDI sequencing... If you don't plan on doing any MIDI work, then I'd just stick with Deck...it is already OSX compatible and it will work with a wide variety of interfaces. I will be updating to another interface soon and am interested in the Prosonus Firestation.....it is just like the 828 except it has a tube circuit and includes MIDI...and it is about the same price...It isn't shipping yet, though, and I haven't heard any reviews. If all you need are 2 simultaneous record tracks, I'm sure the US-424 or it's little brother, the US-224, would be great. I'd check into the control templates available for the Tascam devices for Deck..... you can find them at Tascam's web site in addition to checking out the user's forum for any feedback latency. If you plan on using Digital Performer and ever want to get into MIDI, I would stick with only MOTU products so that you can use their Free MIDI drivers as opposed to OMS......... -- gary @friendlyspider.com Mike Feeney wrote: > I'm looking for the going opinions on a couple of audio interfaces. I've > got a new G4 iMac (800Mhz, 512Mb RAM) and recently ditched my old PC on > which I did all of my recording. So now I need an audio interface. I've > got cash burning a hole in my pocket. =) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 13:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24020; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:47:05 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: accident To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06d401c22e83$2174a040$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "...rather nasty bicycle accident..." what an understatement. hope you heal quickly... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 14:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28381; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020718182726.6197.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: Audio interfaces To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207181628.MAA15386@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: bruno kleinefeld > Above all there's another issue you should > consider. MOTU 828 and > Tascam US-428 are not comparable. The USB is > much slower so with the > U-428 you can record just two tracks > simultaneously. Actually the us-428 can record up to 4 tracks simultaneously. It had it's issues when it came out, but with the new drivers it has become much more stable and reliable. And I believe most of the problems where on pc's anyways. There are relatively few complaints from mac users. I'm using mine on XP and i've had no problems. The latency hasn't been much of an issue for me either, i find it falls within an acceptable range. But as far as portability goes the 828 wins hands down. As for the controls on the 428, i guess it depends how important they are for you. They are definitely a plus, but it is worth checking the compatibility with the software you use, and if it will really help you out. FWIW, if I could've afforded it at the time I would've probably gotten the 828, but I am happy with the 428. Ernesto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 14:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29044; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:34:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:32:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Audio interfaces From: Mike Feeney To: , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D36FC7D.A520EEED@friendlyspider.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5AWeEC.A.RFH.LowN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/18/02 12:36 PM, Gary Phillips at gary@friendlyspider.com said somethin' like: > If all you need are 2 simultaneous record tracks, > I'm sure the US-424 or it's little brother, the US-224, would be > great. I'd check into the control templates available for the Tascam > devices for Deck..... you can find them at Tascam's web site in > addition to checking out the user's forum for any feedback latency. I did read on BIAS's website that Deck is compatible with the US-428, although it didn't go into more detail than that. But for my purposes, I'll be playing with a band on occasion, so I think the 8 inputs will do nicely. =) Say, who do you guys use as a supplier for patch cables? Thanks for all the help! Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 15:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32256; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:08:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:07:22 +0200 Subject: Re: Audio interfaces Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <96FB2040-9A81-11D6-BFC8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <6u3NeD.A.V3H.LIxN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone is looking for a good 2 track USB soundcard that is OSX compatible, then the Edirol UA-5 seems to be the choice of many people. I emailed a couple of other lists asking for recommendations, and this one came out tops. I'm being given 500 Euro's tonight as commission for selling a D&H violin - so I think that at 10am tomorrow morning, I will be purchasing one (just in time for the looping jam session to christen my new studio with Andy!!!). 96Khz, noise-free 24 bit audio....hhhhmmmm :) Completely off topic, but does anyone have the same problem as I do? I seem to be plagued by an infestation of cable-pixies. These little bastards hide until I am not here, and then they come out, run around, and tie knots in every bloody cable that I have meticulously untangled. I'm 100% certain that these creatures exist. I'm going to set up a time-lapse webcam tomorrow and catch them in action. Hhhhmmm.... and maybe I should lay off the Absinthe. :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 15:15:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00660; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:15:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:11:19 -0500 Subject: Some MOTU 828 info From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got this from their tech support just now: >> >> I am considering purchasing the MOTU 828 interface, but I am wondering >> if it is OS X compatible, or if there are plans to make it OS X compatible >> in the near future? If so, when might I expect that to happen? Thank you! >> >> Mike > > We have released OSX drivers, and the Clockworks console for our USB MIDI > interfaces, which are a free download from www.motu.com. OSX drivers for > our PCI and Firewire audio interfaces will be next, followed by OSX Digital > Performer. OSX development is a high priority at MOTU. Digital Performer > for OSX will come during the second half of 2002, as posted on the press > release on www.motu.com. > > -- > Jonas Nauda > MotU tech support. Thought y'all might be interested. =) Thanks again, Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 15:32:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02084; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:31:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:31:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio interfaces Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:29:58 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 29 2002) Message-Id: <20020718192959.YHGO26053.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << Completely off topic, but does anyone have the same problem as I do? I seem to be plagued by an infestation of cable-pixies. These little bastards hide until I am not here, and then they come out, run around, and tie knots in every bloody cable that I have meticulously untangled. I'm 100% certain that these creatures exist. I'm going to set up a time-lapse webcam tomorrow and catch them in action. >> How true. I HATE THE BLOODY THINGS! Cables, that is! My rigs looks like spaghetti bowls in the back. I use two of those slanted Middle Atalntic racks on casters. Fortunate that they HAVE casters so I can move the racks and check cabling. Ever see those studios in MIX, et al that show NO cables at all? Where the hell are their cable? Regards, Paul > If anyone is looking for a good 2 track USB soundcard that is OSX > compatible, then the Edirol UA-5 seems to be the choice of many people. > I emailed a couple of other lists asking for recommendations, and this > one came out tops. > > I'm being given 500 Euro's tonight as commission for selling a D&H > violin - so I think that at 10am tomorrow morning, I will be purchasing > one (just in time for the looping jam session to christen my new studio > with Andy!!!). 96Khz, noise-free 24 bit audio....hhhhmmmm :) > > Completely off topic, but does anyone have the same problem as I do? I > seem to be plagued by an infestation of cable-pixies. These little > bastards hide until I am not here, and then they come out, run around, > and tie knots in every bloody cable that I have meticulously untangled. > I'm 100% certain that these creatures exist. I'm going to set up a > time-lapse webcam tomorrow and catch them in action. > > Hhhhmmm.... and maybe I should lay off the Absinthe. :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 15:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03579; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:49:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:49:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D371B93.4A4BB6CE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:48:33 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio interfaces References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BIG issue with the 828 is that you can ONLY monitor 2 of it's inputs via hardware. It's weird. You can monitor them all via software in DP3, but there's a small bit of latency if you're running plugins. What I did/do is to use a Soundcraft FX8 mixer that has an output for each channel. It's bigger and seemingly flimsier than the Mackie I was using, but it does the job and it's been totally reliable so far, but I only use it in the studio. I'm not sure if the 896 fixes that issue. Mark Mike Feeney wrote: > I saw that Mackie unit too. That looked pretty cool. > > Bias's Deck software is available for OS X now, which I was considering. > But I think I've been convinced to go with the MOTU unit. Everyone seems to > say there's no real comparing the two. > > Are the MOTU 828's 8 outputs pass-through, or are they affected by the > volume controls? Just trying to work out the best way to use it in a live > setting so that I can still use my mixer to control the live sound while not > necessarily affecting the recorded mix. > > Also, do I understand correctly that you can record up to 8 tracks > simultaneously, but can only monitor (hear) two of them? That is kind of > confusing me in the literature I can find. > > Thanks for the input. I really appreciate it! > Mike > > on 7/18/02 10:11 AM, bruno kleinefeld at brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com said > somethin' like: > > > hi mike > > > > I have a MOTU 828: a very good product under many aspects. > > > > I don't know nothing about compatibility with OSX. I use 9 on all my Macs. > > Wich audio-sequencer software would you use with it? > > > > I don't think that DP3 is running on OSX. Not yet, at least, > > and, since I use the 828 with DP3, I don't know nothing about the > > ASIO drive for the 828. > > But I assume that the 828 is working much better with DP and MOTU > > resident drive. > > > > Above all there's another issue you should consider. MOTU 828 and > > Tascam US-428 are not comparable. The USB is much slower so with the > > U-428 you can record just two tracks simultaneously. The MOTU can > > record up to 8. This make a big difference, don't you think...? > > > > anyhow I've seen that MOTU and Mackie have just announced a new > > controller for DP3 > > > > check this url > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Mackie-Control.html > > don't know about prices. > > Could be a perfect upgrade for a system based on one or more 828! > > > > ciao > > b:k > > > > > > > > > >> I'm looking for the going opinions on a couple of audio interfaces. I've > >> got a new G4 iMac (800Mhz, 512Mb RAM) and recently ditched my old PC on > >> which I did all of my recording. So now I need an audio interface. I've > >> got cash burning a hole in my pocket. =) > >> > >> I've can get a used MOTU 828 for about the same price (or less) as a new > >> Tascam US-428. So let's pretend price isn't a factor. Here are my thoughts > >> so far... > >> > >> The Tascam looks cool, and I like the tactile controls for mixing. However, > >> I'm concerned about latency. I'm NOT a recording genius, so if I don't have > >> to mess with control panels/drivers/trial and error to deal with possible > >> latency issues, I'll be happy. Plus I don't do anything with MIDI - it just > >> confuses me. So that's extra functionality I won't need. BUT it has OS X > >> drivers available, which is my primary OS. > >> > >> The MOTU 828 by its very nature would be less likely to have latency issues, > >> but I can't find any information regarding its compatibility (or planned > >> compatibility) with OS X. Anyone know anything about that? > >> > >> Portability: I plan on using these for recording gigs as well, but I don't > >> have a rack case. I have a mixer with its own case, but no room for > >> additional rack units. I'd like to upgrade to a better road case, which > >> would allow the MOTU unit to fit in. Plus I would just feel better lugging > >> the MOTU around in a case than an unprotected Tascam unit sitting on the > >> seat of my car or some such. > >> > >> What are your thoughts? If you have experience with these units, I'd love > >> to hear pros and cons. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> on 7/17/02 11:31 PM, Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net said > >> somethin' like: > >> > >>> Hoo boy--it gets weirder-- > >>> I just used Raymond (thank you Sean!!!) to write the DirectMIDI patches for > >>> the PMC-10--haven't gotten too far (haven't actually recorded/listened to > >>> any audio using the pedal, just pressed buttons and watched colourful > >>> lights) but one thing I notice-- > >>> The record/multiply/insert thingie works with DirectMIDI! > >>> So if I just HAVE to do the blues I can use these commands. > >>> Sorry if I seemed ungrateful or hysterical previously . . . > >>> Gary > >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 15:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04276; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:54:08 +0200 Subject: Re: Audio interfaces Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020718192959.YHGO26053.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Message-Id: <1F5971C2-9A88-11D6-BFC8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 18, 2002, at 09:29 PM, paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > Ever see those studios in MIX, et al that show NO cables > at all? Where the hell are their cable? I dont know about MIX... but there is a lot of new audio gear that uses wireless technology. Audio-one (the guys that gave me my PA system) have a setup which includes two head units, two woofers and a 16 channel mixing desk - all contained within their own wheeled cases, communicating with each other wirelessly, and running off of their own internal rechargable batteries. I first saw them at MusikMesse in Frankfurt, and their demonstration was awesome. Sexy ladies wheeling the separate parts of the PA to different parts of the hall. The sound quality/power was phenominal. I'd love to see rack units communicating wirelessly too... maybe using some sort of Bluetooth technology. The technology exists.... but I believe that any units adopting this today would be pricey. Give it a few years though :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 16:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07132; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:06:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:06:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c22e95$874bece0$0500a8c0@alfred.natoma964> From: "Zoe Keating" To: Subject: Testing, my first loopmail post Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:58:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C22E5A.DA5F2CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C22E5A.DA5F2CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20 =20 It was great meeting many of you at Y2K2 and I really enjoyed all the = performances I caught.Thanks very much to Rick Walker for putting it = together and allowing me to be a part of it. Hope to do it all again = soon, until then, there is cyberspace. =20 Thanks! =20 Zo=EB Keating, looping cellist ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C22E5A.DA5F2CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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It was great meeting many of you at = Y2K2 and I=20 really enjoyed all the performances I caught.Thanks very much to Rick = Walker for=20 putting it together and allowing me to be a part of it. Hope to do it = all again=20 soon, until then, there is cyberspace.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C22E5A.DA5F2CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 16:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07843; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:12:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:12:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c22e97$31521ec0$53a85e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: References: <008801c22e95$874bece0$0500a8c0@alfred.natoma964> Subject: Re: Testing, my first loopmail post Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:10:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA07670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It was great meeting many of you at Y2K2 and I really enjoyed >all the performances . . . Hope to do it all again soon, until then, >there is cyberspace. Welcome to loopland, Zoë! As a new list member I'm sure we'd all like to hear your impressions of the Santa Cruz loopfest. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 16:18:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08510; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:18:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008801c22e95$874bece0$0500a8c0@alfred.natoma964> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:17:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Testing, my first loopmail post Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA08472 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hello, > : : > >Zoë Keating, looping cellist Welcome aboard! How's the "Music for 16 Cellos" CD coming? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 16:29:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09407; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020718202750.64241.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Audio interfaces To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020718192959.YHGO26053.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5Hzsj.A.YSC.HTyN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > Ever see those studios in MIX, et al that show NO cables > at all? Where the hell are their cable? This is way off topic, but there are two factors that come into play with the studios pictured in Mix. First off, they aren't working when those pictures are taken. Couldn't be... Second, everything in a big studio is wired to patchbays. Otherwise it's unmanagable. All the cabling for that generally goes through conduits under the floor or through the walls. So to do a lot of stuff, all you need are the patchcords to connect things at the bay. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 17:02:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11324; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:52:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:52:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:50:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Audio interfaces From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Mark Sottilaro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D371B93.4A4BB6CE@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/18/02 2:48 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net said somethin' like: > BIG issue with the 828 is that you can ONLY monitor 2 of it's inputs via > hardware. > It's weird. You can monitor them all via software in DP3, but there's a small > bit > of latency if you're running plugins. What I did/do is to use a Soundcraft > FX8 > mixer that has an output for each channel. I thought about doing that but my mixer has a channel insert for each channel, but no output. Which is a bummer. =( I think my signal path will be: patch bay, MOTU 828, mixer, PA/Monitor. Sound like it might work? =) Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 17:09:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13984; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020718202750.64241.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Audio interfaces Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:07:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2002 21:07:06.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[128B1DE0:01C22E9F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > > Ever see those studios in MIX, et al that show NO cables > > at all? Where the hell are their cable? > Like the perceived flaws in other objectifying magazine pictures, they airbrush them out. Damn media business... bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 17:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15482; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <24.28898ddb.2a688dd5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:32:05 EDT Subject: Re: Testing, my first loopmail post To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zoe, I hardly got to hear much of your set. I was schlepping in my own gear at the time. But, what I DID hear was l certainly lovely. Keep the list posted as to your activities and recordings. Welcome to the loop bozo district of cyberville! Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 17:37:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16198; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:36:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:36:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c22e8d$02a242d0$6787abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: Subject: Sei chitarre sole - with Claude Voit Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:56:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0WVmZC.A.u7D.-SzN9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, we have arrived to the last one of the 3 evenings of the solo guitar festival i am organizing in italy. Claude will be concluding this third edition. So, it is a pleasure to finally have one of us at this festival. Here are some info: 2002 EDITION: Tuesday, July the 9th Elliott Sharp Pino Dieni Tuesday, July the 16th Fred Frith Pietro Nobile Tuesday, July the 16th Claude Voit Claudio Gabbiani PAST EDITIONS: 2000 First edition August, the 27th: Bebo Ferra - Acoustic Guitar in Jazz Rolf Lislevand - Liuto and Tiorba, baroque music before the invention of Guitar September, the 3rd: Franco Morone - Fingerpicking Guitar Luca Formentini - Electric and fretless Guitars and deep processing. September, the 10th: Rudy Rotta - Traditional Blues Guitar Roberto Zorzi - Electric Guitar and improvisation 2001 Second edition July, the 6th: Duck Baker - Fingestyle nylon string Guitar Luciano Margorani - Classic, electric Guitar and electronics July, the 7th: Paolo Angeli - Prepared sardinian Guitar Mike Cooper - Dobro and Hawaiian Guitar July, the 8th: Sandro Gibellini - Traditional Jazz Guitar Hans Reichel - His own doubleneck and Daxophone Sei Chitarre Sole (Six Guitars Alone): Guitar Concert Series What is a Guitar? Everyone knows what one is, but few know of it's remarkable ability to transcend musical and stylistic boundaries. Of course, there are different kinds and styles of guitar: Classical, Acoustic, Electric, but the stylistic breadth of the guitar transcends these classifications. One can, for example, use a Classical nylon string guitar to play many kinds of music besides 'Classical' music. Or one can use specially treated guitars (alligator clips, forks and knives, etc.) to play the 'Blues'. This series of concerts hosts two different Guitar players from diverging backgrounds. In each evenings performance, each guitarist will play one 40 to 50 minutes set. Each concert will present audiences with two radically different guitar worlds. The likelihood of encountering a style that is exotic and unfamiliar is very high. One of the chief goals of the festival is to acquaint people with the amount of stylistic diversity that exists in the Guitar world.The hope of the performances is to expand the musical vocabulary of the listener: to leave them with a new appreciation for new and unusual Guitaristic techniques; to celebrate the Guitar! The concerts will be held in Desenzano del Garda (south Garda Lake, between Verona and Brescia), in the ancient 14th Century Closter of Santa Maria de Senioribus. Looping Europe. my best Luca ------------------------------ www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 17:45:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17051; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE21@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sei chitarre sole - with Claude Voit Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:41:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22EA3.DD9F8080" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22EA3.DD9F8080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" very cool. Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22EA3.DD9F8080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 18:58:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23056; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ6A1JDT98C3+YegGk+9bwOC4+D3AIVAJvhDWkWNNaqZXx5S57+O2xFlvOG From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping celloist Message-ID: <1805-3D3747BC-2830@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Zoe, unfortunately I was unable to make it to the loopfest. do you have an mp3 or cd's available? I would like to hear your work. Mark Sottilaro, did you recieve my personel e:mail? Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 20:35:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31753; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:35:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c22ebb$f87b7e00$4861f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207181628.MAA15386@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: Mark Sottilaro's Loop Erotica contributions to LD Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:33:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com God, Mark...........that is priceless.........I laughed my ass off. I've got it. Let's start a website and cash in: AMATEUR LOOPERS: Natural and Hairy Hot LOOP on LOOP Action three day trial subscritption: $2.95 Yeah, BABY!!!!!!! We'll make a fortune I can link it to my "Naked Furry Barnyard Animals" website (I actually got a piece of porn spam that said that----that's as opposed to the clothed, non-furry barnyard animals, I suppose...... ;-) later, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 21:10:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02790; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:10:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020719010942.39959.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: re: Mark Sottilaro's Loop Erotica contributions to LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008101c22ebb$f87b7e00$4861f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > God, Mark...........that is priceless.........I laughed my ass off. Hans's comment was the one that really got me going. (Sorry, Mark...) > I can link it to my "Naked Furry Barnyard Animals" website > (I actually got a piece of porn spam that said that----that's as > opposed > to the clothed, non-furry barnyard animals, I suppose...... ;-) That would be as opposed to the Shaved Formerly-Furry Barnyard Animals. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 21:27:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03916; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:27:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:27:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c22f8b$2a018ee0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20020718202750.64241.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Audio interfaces Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:17:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If EVERYTHING is wird into a patch bay, they must use a LOT OF CABLES. I know I personally have a fortune invested in cables and only have a small amount of gear connected to a patchbay and a couple switches. Hate to have to troubleshoot a bad cable. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Audio interfaces > --- paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > > Ever see those studios in MIX, et al that show NO cables > > at all? Where the hell are their cable? > > This is way off topic, but there are two factors that come into play > with the studios pictured in Mix. First off, they aren't working when > those pictures are taken. Couldn't be... > > Second, everything in a big studio is wired to patchbays. Otherwise > it's unmanagable. All the cabling for that generally goes through > conduits under the floor or through the walls. So to do a lot of stuff, > all you need are the patchcords to connect things at the bay. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 21:34:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04495; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c22f8c$298f9dc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <1C90E041D1CFD4119EA30008C75D079601AF6BAD@MAILSERVER> Subject: Re: Repeater and Drum Machine question Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:24:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Zoom MRT-3 connected to my Repeater and have used a couple of others with it (Zoom 234-something (I think), a Yanaha and a Roland 770). Works okay but occasionally the repeater seems to change the tempo downwards for some reason and I have to spin the dial to get it back. Basically, I use the drum machine output as a glorified metronome. I usually record the drums though with the intention of later replacing them with different drum tracks played live. I liked the EDP's interaction with a drum machine much better than the Repeaters. The EDP seemed to surprise me with a tempo that would really change the characteristic of whatever drum pattern I might be using. I really miss my EDP in that regard. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Weideman" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: Repeater and Drum Machine question > All, > Being a new owner of a Repeater with a DR-770 I'm wondering what can and > can't be done with these two connected together given the MIDI out problem > with the Repeater ? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated !! > > Thanks > Gary Weideman > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 21:36:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04890; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:36:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:36:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D376D01.11E8D726@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:35:58 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mark Sottilaro's Loop Erotica contributions to LD References: <200207181628.MAA15386@hemlock.violacea.com> <008101c22ebb$f87b7e00$4861f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, I'm so there. OK, I can't hold back, I must tell the story behind this pict. It's a still from a video I did, where I tell the story of how a Korean woman who owned a Korean resturaunt in Syracuse NY, upon taking my order felt the need to inform me that I was "Herrie rike ma-kee" When I laughed and explained to her that I was the first generation in my family that could walk upright, she informed me that "Asian or Korean person think that big insult!" So there you have it. Mark Sottilaro P.S. Being up in a tree totally naked (yes I was) was a LOT more comfortable than I thought it would be. "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > God, Mark...........that is priceless.........I laughed my ass off. > > I've got it. Let's start a website and cash in: > > AMATEUR LOOPERS: Natural and Hairy > > Hot LOOP on LOOP Action > > three day trial subscritption: $2.95 > > Yeah, BABY!!!!!!! We'll make a fortune > > I can link it to my "Naked Furry Barnyard Animals" website > (I actually got a piece of porn spam that said that----that's as opposed > to the clothed, non-furry barnyard animals, I suppose...... ;-) > > later, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 21:41:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05463; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:41:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200207181628.MAA15386@hemlock.violacea.com> <008101c22ebb$f87b7e00$4861f93f@global> Subject: Re: Mark Sottilaro's Loop Erotica contributions to LD Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:41:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2002 01:40:28.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[42ADB2F0:01C22EC5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > AMATEUR LOOPERS: Natural and Hairy > > Hot LOOP on LOOP Action See two EDP's in hot brothersync action Our EDP's are too hot to handle - no power regulator mods here dirty, nasty, uneven Repeater clock outputs exposed for all Live Audio Feeds repeat forever Messy tangled up cord sex caught on tape High quality video of extended knob twiddling Guaranteed largest racks on the net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 22:28:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09954; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:27:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:27:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200207182137.RAA16437@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:32:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re:Y2K Resent-Message-ID: <0sgxrD.A.9aC.3j3N9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to thank everyone who performed at Loopfest Y2K. I had such a great time with all of you. I was truly amazed at the diversity of styles, instruments, and applications. Everyone who performed, did so under rather adverse conditions, with minimal set up time, no sound check, and half an hour to do their thing. Not to mention rather stifling heat during the day. Even on day two, when it seemed like everyone was having technical meltdowns, everyone kept their cool, supported their fellow performers, and each of you said something unique. I was really expecting several hours of rehashed frippertronics (no disrespect Mr. crimson) but what happened was so much more. Rick, you did a great job, and a great service to the looping community. Thanks again, and if this sounds back-patting, all I can say is pat pat pat pat..... Bill Competition is for horses Bela Bartok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 18 22:44:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11011; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:44:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:44:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c22ece$79e3ad20$37c1bf3f@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: References: Subject: Tips from Electrix on ticking sound/ stu- stu- studio Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:46:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C22E93.CC0BF0C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C22E93.CC0BF0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm.... I wonder wonder wonder if you could just use the FX outputs = instead of the regular outputs to alleviate the ticking sound.... would = you still have level control? Time to experiment for sure. Evil grin. = Read the attachment below for some more info. =20 BTW, I just got a Behringer mixer in all its german-chinese glory to = hook up to my Aardvark LX6, all rolling around with my old workhorse but = stable Pentium III. It's official, I now have a computer-based studio = at 24/96 with disk space to burn. If anyone wants do record some fresh = jams in Olympia, Washington in a peaceful rural setting near horses and = frog ponds, I'm your man. Plenty of room inside and out. : ) Cheers, Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lisa Tyner=20 To: 'Tom Dauria'=20 Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: RE: Repeater ticking sound There is a certain amount of noise from the CFC in all Repeaters. It = is usually just in the right channel, and does not come out of the FX = outputs or the digital output. It may be that your Repeater has a = particularly bad CFC noise level. However, some setups can make the CFC = noise worse. The following points may help the noise level, or assist me = in verifying the problem. 1. Make sure that the phono switch on the rear of the unit is = disengaged, unless you are using a turntable directly connected to = Repeater. 2. Make sure that you have a good signal level going into Repeater. = The input signal LED should light up red on signal peaks. 3. Make sure that all track slider levels are right up. 4. Make sure that the nuts around the jack sockets on the rear of the = unit are secure. Hand tight is fine. 5. Make sure that the correct power supply was included with your unit = (it will have "Electrix" written on it). 6. Make sure that any connected amplifiers are grounded. Some = amplifiers have a ground lift switch, the ground lift needs to be off. 7. If the above points are all covered, and Repeater is still = exhibiting a high level of CFC noise, try touching the front panel. If = the hum stops, there is a grounding problem within your Repeater, and it = will have to be returned for repair.=20 Cheers, Lisa ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C22E93.CC0BF0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmmm.... I wonder wonder wonder if you = could just=20 use the FX outputs instead of the regular outputs to alleviate the = ticking=20 sound....  would you still have level control?  Time to = experiment for=20 sure.  Evil grin.  Read the attachment below for some more = info. =20
    BTW, I just got a = Behringer=20 mixer in all its german-chinese glory to hook up to my Aardvark LX6, all = rolling=20 around with my old workhorse but stable Pentium III.  = It's=20 official, I now have a computer-based studio at 24/96 with disk space to = burn.  If anyone wants do record some fresh jams in Olympia,=20 Washington in a peaceful rural setting near horses and frog ponds, I'm = your=20 man.  Plenty of room inside and out.  : )  = Cheers,
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lisa = Tyner
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 = 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: Repeater ticking = sound

There is a certain amount of noise from the CFC in = all=20 Repeaters. It is usually just in the right channel, and does not come = out of=20 the FX outputs or the digital output. It may be that your Repeater has = a=20 particularly bad CFC noise level. However, some setups can make the = CFC noise=20 worse. The following points may help the noise level, or assist me in=20 verifying the problem.

1. Make sure that the phono switch on the rear of = the unit is=20 disengaged, unless you are using a turntable directly connected to=20 Repeater.

2. Make sure that you have a good signal level going = into=20 Repeater. The input signal LED should light up red on signal = peaks.

3. Make sure that all track slider levels are right=20 up.

4. Make sure that the nuts around the jack sockets = on the rear=20 of the unit are secure. Hand tight is fine.

5. Make sure that the correct power supply was = included with=20 your unit (it will have "Electrix" written on it).

6. Make sure that any connected amplifiers are = grounded. Some=20 amplifiers have a ground lift switch, the ground lift needs to be=20 off.

7. If the above points are all covered, and Repeater = is still=20 exhibiting a high level of CFC noise, try touching the front panel. If = the hum=20 stops, there is a grounding problem within your Repeater, and it will = have to=20 be returned for repair.

Cheers,=20 Lisa

------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C22E93.CC0BF0C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 00:41:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19724; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:40:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:40:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:40:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Mark Sottilaro's Loop Erotica contributions to LD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <960DA62A-9AD1-11D6-90A9-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW, you must have been saving up Jon! Listening to Prince much? Mark Monkeyboy Sottilaro On Thursday, July 18, 2002, at 06:41 PM, Jon Wagner wrote: >> AMATEUR LOOPERS: Natural and Hairy >> >> Hot LOOP on LOOP Action > > See two EDP's in hot brothersync action > Our EDP's are too hot to handle - no power regulator mods here > dirty, nasty, uneven Repeater clock outputs exposed for all > Live Audio Feeds repeat forever > Messy tangled up cord sex caught on tape > High quality video of extended knob twiddling > Guaranteed largest racks on the net > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 02:33:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26435; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020719003249.00804210@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:32:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: accident In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, I'd just like to send you the warmest of wishes. Please get well soon, K? -My thoughts are with you... Smiles, G-Girl At 10:48 PM 7/17/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Fellow Loopists! > >I've been away... > >On July 7th, I was in a rather nasty bicycle accident. I broke my clavicle >in two places; eight consecutive ribs in my back (all along my left side); >snapped-off several "transverse processes" (those little ears that stick out >on the sides of the vertebrae); and I had a hemothorax (collapsed lung). >And the spot I crashed in? Filled with poison ivy! > >Fortunately, my prognosis is good. I probably will suffer no permanent >paralysis. (ALWAYS wear a helmet!) Everything (all arms, legs, fingers, >toes, neck, etc.) was functioning for several days immediately after the >accident. Currently my left arm is non-functional but the docs believe this >is temporary due to internal swelling around my left clavicle. It might >seem odd, but I'm definitely celebrating my good fortune. If the impact had >occurred one inch closer, I'd have a damaged spinal cord. > >Since I'll be off of work for a several weeks, I've re-subscribed with >another address. So contact me at dennis@mail.worldserver.com instead of >dennis@mdbs.com. > >For the next few weeks I'll probably read email rather erratically. In the >meantime, I'll read the archives to catch-up. > >BTW: My neurologist is an mbira-ist! He showed me one of his instruments. >It's the finest mbira I've every seen. One of those instruments that feels >alive when you play it! (I think I'll eventually convince him to get a >looper.) > >Great to be back! And looping! > >Breathe the air. Enjoy simple breathing as a kind of looping. See your >family and friends and enjoy their company again. It's a kind of loop as >well. Revel in life, music, and love. Perhaps they're all loops of a kind. > >Peace, >Dennis Leas >----------- >dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 02:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26208; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:30:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:30:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:30:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Audio interfaces From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c22f8b$2a018ee0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8ufWtB.A.PZG.uH7N9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/19/02 6:17 PM, Butch at paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > If EVERYTHING is wird into a patch bay, they must use a LOT OF CABLES. I > know I personally have a fortune invested in cables and only have a small > amount of gear connected to a patchbay and a couple switches. > > Hate to have to troubleshoot a bad cable. That's what interns are for. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 02:42:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27171; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020719004203.00a86320@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:42:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Testing, my first loopmail post In-Reply-To: <008801c22e95$874bece0$0500a8c0@alfred.natoma964> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Zoe, welcome to the list! Smiles, CQ At 12:58 PM 7/18/02 -0700, you wrote: > Hello, It was great meeting many of you at Y2K2 and I really >enjoyed all the performances I caught.Thanks very much to Rick Walker for >putting it together and allowing me to be a part of it. Hope to do it all >again soon, until then, there is cyberspace. Thanks! Zoë Keating, >looping cellist --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 02:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29359; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:59:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:59:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:58:45 -0700 Subject: Signal flow From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a number of people ask me questions about what the gear was in my rack at Loopfest. I figured I'd send out one message and try to cover those questions: Klein electric ---> Arion Chorus pedal ---> Line6 DM4 ---> Roland GP100 In the effects loop of the GP100: Electrix FilterQueen ---> Korg DL8000R GP100 output A --> EDP --> Korg AM8000R --> Electrix EQ Killer GP100 output B --> effects returns on the EQ Killer EQ Killer outputs --> Loopfest direct boxes For those who were asking by color, the GP100 is gold. The Korg units are silver. I was using the EQ Killer in a somewhat contorted way since the idea is that you'd use the killer to send signals into an effects loop and instead I was using the effects returns on the EQ Killer to mix in a signal that had not gone through the Killer circuitry. I didn't use the EQ Killer that much at Loopfest, but it's a lot of fun for isolating pieces of loops. For control, I had a pedal for the cutoff frequency on the FilterQueen -- those were low-pass filter sweeps not volume sweeps. I also had a pedal for feedback on the DL8000R. The EDP footswitch and the built-in switches on the Line6 and the Arion rounded it out. I normally use a Yamaha DG-Stomp and have contemplated selling the GP-100. I like the way the DG-Stomp reacts to the Klein though the GP-100 certainly has a broader range of sounds and effects. I went with the GP-100 because it saved me from needing to set up and power another device on the floor. (Despite the benefits I got out of it at Loopfest, the GP-100 is essentially for sale if anyone is interested.) I feel a little weird running an instrument like the Klein into a cheap little chorus pedal (that I got with my first electric guitar), but it's actually a relatively nice if somewhat lo-fi pedal that doesn't seem to add a huge amount of noise. I also had an interesting discussion with Rick before Loopfest about the non-pro-issues with ending with a box that only has RCA outputs. I guess that tells us what market Electrix was aiming for with the EQ Killer. My home configuration is built around a Mackie mixer and is a lot more freeform in the signal routing, but my Loopfest configuration had the benefit of being simple and easy to move if less flexible. I was, however, very tempted by Jon Wagner's rack configuration. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 03:20:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30184; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Signal flow Message-ID: <1027062880.3d37bc60d9816@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lucky you, mark. i tried explaining my routing (which involves a mackie 3204, repeater, studio 400, and about 50 patch cables in addition to the REST of the rack) to a fellow listmember today and the only way we could agree to effectively describe it in words was ... "Very Complicated" ... which i must admit is a reference to a boardgame in an old Dr Who fanzine i had. it just doesn't work right without a cartoon drawing of Jon Pertwee next to it. when i get some new tracks up on my site, i'll make a more detailed post. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 03:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31363; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:41:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:41:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D37C326.22BA3D12@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:48:58 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accident References: <3.0.5.32.20020719003249.00804210@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Goddess wrote: > Dennis, I'd just like to send you the warmest of wishes. Please get > well soon, K? -My thoughts are with you... > > Smiles, > > G-Girl > > At 10:48 PM 7/17/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello Fellow Loopists! > > > >I've been away... > > > >On July 7th, I was in a rather nasty bicycle accident. I broke my clavicle > >in two places; eight consecutive ribs in my back (all along my left side); > >snapped-off several "transverse processes" (those little ears that stick out > >on the sides of the vertebrae); and I had a hemothorax (collapsed lung). > >And the spot I crashed in? Filled with poison ivy! > oh! guess i missed this thread. heal well there, pardner! but enough about you...how's the bike? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 03:42:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31497; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:42:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c22ef7$ba35c100$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Audio interfaces Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:41:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you considered the RME Hammerfall DSP? I've heard nothing but praise for these units. About the same price as the 828 but better spec. The RME has alpha OS X drivers, so they're clearly being worked on. I've heard nothing about any OS X 828 drivers. Oh, the RME is also sold by Steinberg, rebadged as the Nuendo Audiolink. cheers, os. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Feeney" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: Audio interfaces > > > I'm looking for the going opinions on a couple of audio interfaces. I've > got a new G4 iMac (800Mhz, 512Mb RAM) and recently ditched my old PC on > which I did all of my recording. So now I need an audio interface. I've > got cash burning a hole in my pocket. =) > > I've can get a used MOTU 828 for about the same price (or less) as a new > Tascam US-428. So let's pretend price isn't a factor. Here are my thoughts > so far... > > The Tascam looks cool, and I like the tactile controls for mixing. However, > I'm concerned about latency. I'm NOT a recording genius, so if I don't have > to mess with control panels/drivers/trial and error to deal with possible > latency issues, I'll be happy. Plus I don't do anything with MIDI - it just > confuses me. So that's extra functionality I won't need. BUT it has OS X > drivers available, which is my primary OS. > > The MOTU 828 by its very nature would be less likely to have latency issues, > but I can't find any information regarding its compatibility (or planned > compatibility) with OS X. Anyone know anything about that? > > Portability: I plan on using these for recording gigs as well, but I don't > have a rack case. I have a mixer with its own case, but no room for > additional rack units. I'd like to upgrade to a better road case, which > would allow the MOTU unit to fit in. Plus I would just feel better lugging > the MOTU around in a case than an unprotected Tascam unit sitting on the > seat of my car or some such. > > What are your thoughts? If you have experience with these units, I'd love > to hear pros and cons. > > Thanks! > Mike > > > > > > > on 7/17/02 11:31 PM, Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net said > somethin' like: > > > Hoo boy--it gets weirder-- > > I just used Raymond (thank you Sean!!!) to write the DirectMIDI patches for > > the PMC-10--haven't gotten too far (haven't actually recorded/listened to > > any audio using the pedal, just pressed buttons and watched colourful > > lights) but one thing I notice-- > > The record/multiply/insert thingie works with DirectMIDI! > > So if I just HAVE to do the blues I can use these commands. > > Sorry if I seemed ungrateful or hysterical previously . . . > > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 04:29:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03090; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:29:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:28:36 -0500 Subject: Moog Prodigy possibly FS ... From: Eric Williamson To: , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "synthesizerscomgroup@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c22eb0$1d549740$d37478d4@ensch1.ov.nl.home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a Moog Prodigy with a non-functional oscillator 1, and an audio input mod (with holes drilled for the rest of the connections: cv/gate in/out). i'm buying a Liberation here in a couple weeks, and have decided i don't _need_ the prodigy. i'm _asking_ $350, but feel free to send an email telling me to keep it or tell me you want it if you'd like. Prepal.com says the average price of a Prodigy is $604, so i don't think $350 is out-of-line. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 11:53:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01271; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:51:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:51:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020719155042.2889.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Studio cabling (was: Re: Audio interfaces) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c22f8b$2a018ee0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Butch wrote: > If EVERYTHING is wird into a patch bay, they must use a LOT OF > CABLES. I > know I personally have a fortune invested in cables and only have a > small amount of gear connected to a patchbay and a couple switches. Exactly. That's one of the expenses of putting together a studio that a lot of people don't plan for. They buy nice equipment, and then find themselves taking forever to work 'cause they need several thousand dollars worth of patchbays and wiring that they didn't budget for. I talked to a guy one time who freelanced for installation companies. He and another person had just spent several months soldering up the custom wiring for a major studio. Two people, months of full-time work. (Think about how many connections there are on a 100+ channel SSL console...) That's indeed a lot of wiring, and a big expense, but what a joy to use once it's all done! In my home studio, it's no big deal if I spend 20 minutes crawling behind the racks to hook something up. I generally record people I know, and don't usually charge 'em. But if someone was paying $250 an hour to use the place (probably with additional time-based charges for engineer & producer), they'd likely be peeved at that amount of wasted time. > Hate to have to troubleshoot a bad cable. Just a part of doing business at that level. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 11:58:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01754; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D38375E.6428F661@friendlyspider.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:59:30 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: External battery question for a wiz.... References: <1C90E041D1CFD4119EA30008C75D079601AF6BAD@MAILSERVER> <004601c22f8c$298f9dc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any electronics wizzes out there ? I want to use an external NiMH battery to power a Roland BR532 portable recorder. The recorder takes 6 D cells or a 9V DC power supply. The Roland power supply actually outputs around 9.5V on a meter. The recorder draws a min of 200mA.... I can get 9.6V NiMH packs inexpensively.... but they are liable to be even hotter when first charged. Question: Is there an easy way to voltage regulate an external battery or does anyone know how well Roland protects its gear in terms of the voltage being plus or minus the required amount ? -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 12:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03530; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:04:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:04:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:06:28 -0500 From: Claudia Friedman Subject: JamMan for SALE!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: Claudia Friedman Message-id: <000a01c22f3e$3dd45a80$4552b8d1@encourager> Organization: The Encourager Church MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22F14.5491FC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22F14.5491FC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please make your best offer! This is a MINT Condition JamMan which already includes the memory = upgrade and two pedals.=20 I even have the original manual. Thank you. 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22F14.5491FC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 14:43:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16286; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:42:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:42:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D385D66.6AF2AAAD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:41:33 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop approach: Loop as effect References: <003b01c22ef7$ba35c100$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Lately, I've been thinking about the different approaches of looping I experienced at the Santa Cruz Loopfest. The two major camps I broke it down to were those who used a looper very simply (such as myself), as in a straight loop with some percentage of feedback with external effects and those who played with few or no effects, but used the looping device as an effect in itself (as in Andre Lafosse). So I just wanted to get a dialog going about the differences in these two approaches. One of my first proto "loop effects" was me duct taping an old Ibanez analog delay pedal to my guitar and twiddling with the time and feedback knobs while I played. I later graduated to an old Digitech RDS8000 pedal, which I put fat rubber washers on the knobs, so I could manipulate the knobs with my feet while I played. Later, I seemed to partially abandon this technique, when I acquired a bunch of digital effects that did pitch shifting and a whole other slew of sonic mayhem. As my effects pallet became larger, my looping technique became more simple. With the addition of a decent guitar synth driving a synth module that's got over a thousand sounds, I find there's rarely a time when I feel my sonic pallet is limited. On the contrary, I feel it's often too much! One of the things I do in my looping, is I set up large banks of effects and synth sounds, and then kind of randomly choose them, not really knowing what sound I'm going to get. I then have to DEAL with it. Fun. But then I saw Andre's little act, and I thought, "Gee that's COOL." I wonder why I didn't go more in that direction? It inspired me to try a Repeater experiment I've been thinking about for a while. Start recording a loop while in Beat Detect mode. Take off the Tempo Lock. End the loop, and then try to manipulate the tempo by how you play. Wacky! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 17:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29379; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:31:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D388514.68823C12@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:30:51 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K2 LOOPFEST T-shirt reorder? References: <200207172211.SAA24189@hemlock.violacea.com> <007401c22dfd$c5f46820$e263f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, I'm going to sell mine on eBay. Why don't you just bid on it? It's sure to be a collector's item. Mark Sottilaro "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > We sold out of the Y2K2 LOOPFEST tees on day one of the festival > (24 of them). As a matter of fact it seems that someone made off with > my only teeshirt :-( so I am considering making another run. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 18:42:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01160; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D385D66.6AF2AAAD@zerocrossing.net> References: <003b01c22ef7$ba35c100$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> <3D385D66.6AF2AAAD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:40:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When you get into the place where the creative decisions of the moment are about changing the timing, slicing and dicing, and warping a loop, as much or more than about playing into or against it, I almost think of this as something distinct from "looping". I'm not one for strict categorization of music methods but sometimes I call this "improvisational editing" instead of looping. Whatever. Probably the reason I sense some distinction is that the technology makes it possible to perform incredibly fluid and dense layers, and possible to perform awesome feats of rhythmic sample jugging, but it's still kind of hard to do both at the same time. Matthias' and Andre's playing at the LoopIV release party reminded me of this contrast, although I make no pretense to say that was anything more than my personal impression from a too-short evening. I tend to run every piece of gear, whether it's an "instrument", an "effect", a "looper" or a "recorder" in and out of some central matrix mixer. This makes it easier to do stuff like route the loop feedback path through additional processing, so each repeat is transformed a little further, and bring multiple loops in and out of the mix. From there it's hard to avoid thinking of looping as an instrument rather than a technique, effect or a real-time-multitracking device. (ok, well, for me it's hard not to think that way but then again my audio heredity is more sound guy than musician anyway, if anyone still makes that distinction.) When the loop starts to take on a life of its own and you can sort of pick it up and play it, then put it down and play something else for a while, that's when I get hopeful of achieving the elusive "time in loop music is like a rubber chicken laying golden eggs" effect. -Alex S. >Hey, > >Lately, I've been thinking about the different approaches of looping I >experienced at the Santa Cruz Loopfest. The two major camps I broke >it down to >were those who used a looper very simply (such as myself), as in a straight >loop with some percentage of feedback with external effects and those who >played with few or no effects, but used the looping device as an effect in >itself (as in Andre Lafosse). > >So I just wanted to get a dialog going about the differences in these two >approaches. One of my first proto "loop effects" was me duct taping an old >Ibanez analog delay pedal to my guitar and twiddling with the time >and feedback >knobs while I played. I later graduated to an old Digitech RDS8000 pedal, >which I put fat rubber washers on the knobs, so I could manipulate the knobs >with my feet while I played. > >Later, I seemed to partially abandon this technique, when I acquired >a bunch of >digital effects that did pitch shifting and a whole other slew of sonic >mayhem. As my effects pallet became larger, my looping technique became more >simple. With the addition of a decent guitar synth driving a synth module >that's got over a thousand sounds, I find there's rarely a time when I feel my >sonic pallet is limited. On the contrary, I feel it's often too much! One of >the things I do in my looping, is I set up large banks of effects and synth >sounds, and then kind of randomly choose them, not really knowing what sound >I'm going to get. I then have to DEAL with it. Fun. > >But then I saw Andre's little act, and I thought, "Gee that's COOL." I wonder >why I didn't go more in that direction? It inspired me to try a Repeater >experiment I've been thinking about for a while. > >Start recording a loop while in Beat Detect mode. Take off the Tempo Lock. >End the loop, and then try to manipulate the tempo by how you play. Wacky! > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 19:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03259; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:02:33 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "ernesto schnack" X-Epoch: 1027119753 X-Sasl-enc: nxfrHPy9ZmzufGryUTqxgA Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Message-Id: <20020719230233.C3F2F6DA61@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:41:33 -0700, "Mark Sottilaro" said: > Start recording a loop while in Beat Detect mode. Take off the Tempo > Lock. > End the loop, and then try to manipulate the tempo by how you play. > Wacky! Ha, that sounds like fun. I myself have been trying to find ways to exploit the Repeater's abilities, but haven't been able to try much because of an arm injury. I've been wondering if the trim function can be used in a musical way. I also want to explore the Slip funtion further and see what fun things are possible with it. Ernesto -- http://fastmail.fm/ - IMAP accessible web-mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 19:33:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04980; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:31:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:31:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003b01c22ef7$ba35c100$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> <3D385D66.6AF2AAAD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:29:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5vsl7D.A.JNB.REKO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:40 PM -0700 7/19/02, Alex Stahl wrote: >When the loop starts to take on a life of its own and you can sort of pick it up and play it, then put it down and play something else for a while, that's when I get hopeful of achieving the elusive "time in loop music is like a rubber chicken laying golden eggs" effect. Beautiful. -C -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 19:42:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05581; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:42:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:42:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20020719230233.C3F2F6DA61@www.fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:43:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2002 23:41:27.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD1491D0:01C22F7D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > be used in a musical way. I also want to explore the Slip function > further and see what fun things are possible with it. I have been having a lot of fun with the slip function. I record a nice punchy "4 on the floor" bass drum type groove onto one track. Then bounce that to another track and slip it out of time by an eight note. Its kind of fun and disorientating to fade one into the other (only one is heard at a time). As I mentioned at my L2K set, I have been very interested in what I call "the in between time". I define this as starting the moment you fade in a slipped track and ending the moment when you finally decide that the slipped track is the new downbeat. During this time your mind isn't sure whether to imagine the slipped track as offbeats, or whether its the new downbeat. I've been experimenting with making my mind either extend the inbetween time as long as I can, or trying to make it as short as I possibly can - redefine the downbeat immediately. I'm trying to teach myself to create loops that have what I call "ambiguous rhythmical content." In other words, they can sound nice over many different time signatures or what have you. Sometimes I can create some loops that sound good over the slipped bassdrum groove as well as the non-slipped groove. One other idea I had for the slip function but haven't tried yet. I was thinking that it might be a neat way to get some interesting panning functions if you bounce a track to a new one, then pan it and slip it a bit. When you play both tracks you'd get kind of a one-time slapback panned delay. This is probably easier to do on some stereo multi-effects boxes right? Jon ps. I got the idea for "ambigous rhythmical content" from Matthias. I had a discussion with him about playing with a DJ. He used the term "ambigous harmonic content" as a way to fit his guitar sounds with any unexpected harmonic content on a DJ's record. I decided that I needed to try out the same thing with rhythm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 19:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05578; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:42:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:42:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D38A3B2.9A04803@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:41:29 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been curious about the slip as well. I saw a demo, where he took a stereo track, looped it and then slipped each side. I couldn't make it happen. Either that didn't make it to v.1.1 or I'm doing something wrong. I can't seem to select a single track to slip, if I recorded them as a pair, but I know I saw it done. Anyone? Mark Sottilaro > Ha, that sounds like fun. I myself have been trying to find ways to > exploit the Repeater's abilities, but haven't been able to try much > because of an arm injury. I've been wondering if the trim function can > be used in a musical way. I also want to explore the Slip funtion > further and see what fun things are possible with it. > > Ernesto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 22:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15871; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:21:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:19:44 EDT Subject: is there a loopfest video? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks: 1) did someone videotape the recent nocali fete? and, if so 2) how might i obtain a copy? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 22:28:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16184; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:27:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <10.22093641.2a6a2469@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:26:49 EDT Subject: Re: is there a loopfest video? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <5NKPbB.A.m8D.JqMO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt.....there is like 22 hours worth of video.....and i believe the same amount of audio (i.e. over and above the video soundtrac).....rick w. will be letting us know whats up with this plethora (sp) of loopage.....info coming soon, i hope.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 22:40:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16794; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: is there a loopfest video? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:39:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c22f96$bb34e140$6a07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <10.22093641.2a6a2469@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After seeing Jon Wagner at the Santa Cruz throwdown, I would be most interested in video of the Wagner/Grob duo performances at Loopstock--also, what about the Grob/La Fosse duets? Can't wait to see my shiny face on video-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 19 23:50:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21705; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:49:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:49:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020719214847.00858d60@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:48:47 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Direction... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I thought some might be interested in this. A couple of nights ago, I recorded an interesting vocal loop which I like alot. One of the cool things about it is that I have a really difficult time telling which direction it's playing in. -soundwise I mean... I vary from recording in forward and reverse modes, so I'm not exactly sure which one I recorded this in... Not only is the melodic and harmonic progression incredibly similar both ways, but the actual envelope of my voice, and the style I'm singing in, are almost exactly the same in either direction. I even take a breath at one point, and *laughing* I still can't tell which direction the darn thing is playing in. I have a suspicion, but that's it... lol! Anyway, I thought this might be an interesting idea to explore further, since it's so easy on the Repeater to flip a sample back and forth. -And it encompasses both the idea of the looper as instrument, as well as a technical and musical attention to detail. Anyway, talk with y'all real soon, K? Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 00:44:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25185; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D38E9A5.72AFDB86@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:40:06 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect References: <003b01c22ef7$ba35c100$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> <3D385D66.6AF2AAAD@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0Wd5jD.A.yIG.lpOO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Alex, Alex Stahl wrote: > > When you get into the place where the creative decisions of the > moment are about changing the timing, slicing and dicing, and warping > a loop, as much or more than about playing into or against it, I > almost think of this as something distinct from "looping". I know what you mean here. By the same token, though, I think an argument could be made (and I'm not even arguing this, but it's interesting stuff to think about) that this sort of thing is very much part of looping, for a few reasons: 1) Very little real-time looping involves simply setting up a loop and then letting it repeat over and over and over, with no changes made to it. Even overdubbing a new layer into a loop, or changing feedback levels, involved changing (or "editing") the content of the loop in some way. 2) Ultimately (at least in the case of EDP or Repeater editing functions) everything that's being done, in terms of slicing and dicing, changing loop length, or otherwise chopping up the sound, is still being applied to material which, left to its own devices, will repeat over and over again - that is, loop! 3) One point of view might say that using a bunch of EDP editing functions to chop up a loop actually represents a PURER form of looping than does a system that applies serious processing or effects to the loop. The reason I say this is that things like reverb, pitch modulation, pitch shifting, or other processing aren't really part of "looping," per se - they're electronic treatments applied to sound. On the other hand, things like Unrounded Multiply, Replace, Substitute, SUS-insert, SubCycle Multiply and the like are all intrinsic functions built into a unit designed explicitly as a looper. And all of those fancy EDP functions are ultimately performing one of two basic functions: changing the content of a loop by adding or removing material, or redefining the length of the loop itself. Even half-speed on the EDP seems to fit into this criteria, because the effect is obtained by playing back the loop at half the sample rate, rather than applying pitch-shifting DSP. > Probably the reason I sense some distinction is that the technology > makes it possible to perform incredibly fluid and dense layers, and > possible to perform awesome feats of rhythmic sample jugging, but > it's still kind of hard to do both at the same time. Matthias' and > Andre's playing at the LoopIV release party reminded me of this > contrast, although I make no pretense to say that was anything more > than my personal impression from a too-short evening. I'd agree with this to a large extent; on the material we played earlier in the evening, I felt like there was generally one of us who was at the forefront at any given time, and the other one tended to try and find ways of fitting "his thing" into the picture. The best stuff we played, I thought, happened after the party was over, later that night and the next morning. Also, Matthias' whole "thing" is infinitely more finely tuned and developed than my approach. I pretty much started over from scratch a year ago, and am still trying to figure out what my relationship with the EDP is, and can be. So I kind of feel like I'm growing up in public with this stuff. Listening to the videotape on the drive home, I often felt like I was getting in Mr. Grob's way, or not leaving enough space for the guy. :( And I have to say that seeing Matthias (and Amy X the next morning) do their stuff up close was a serious learning experience for me. They definitely inspired me to stop thinking that I had to constantly slice and warp the loops every time they were in danger of (shock! horror!) repeating a few times. Seeing how stunningly well Matthias and Amy were able to use repetition in very musical, attention-grabbing ways was tremendously educational. I drove home from Oakland that day thinking, "OK, Andre, enough fooling around. It's time to get your act together with this stuff." --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 00:45:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25372; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:45:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:45:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D38EA1D.2195BD3D@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:42:05 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect References: <003b01c22ef7$ba35c100$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> <3D385D66.6AF2AAAD@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Mark, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The two major camps I broke it down to > were those who used a looper very simply (such as myself), as in a straight > loop with some percentage of feedback with external effects and those who > played with few or no effects, but used the looping device as an effect in > itself (as in Andre Lafosse). Right, I can see what you mean. I'd say there was lots of middle-ground between those two "camps," too, such as: -- Rick Walker changing speed on the DL4 mid-overdub to get wonderful octave jumps, -- Bill Walker using MIDI guitar data to warp the Repeater loops in different ways, -- Amy X using that warbly pitch mod on the "pot smoking" verse in "My God" (I think that was the name of the tune, anyway) > As my effects pallet became larger, my looping technique became more > simple. Yes, I've noticed the same thing with my own work, though in reverse - as time goes on, I've used fewer and fewer effects, as I've tried to use the EDP more deeply. > I find there's rarely a time when I feel my > sonic pallet is limited. On the contrary, I feel it's often too much! Me too - I've spent many an hour staring at banks and banks of synth patches, wondering where I should begin, and scrolling through all the presets two or three times without hearing anything that grabs me very much. On the other hand, I can always find something to play when I just pick up a regular, un-effected, un-looped electric guitar. So not using effects, for me, is a way of trying to deal with looping on the terms of my "regular" playing, rather than completely changing the way I play because I'm suddenly looping (and am therefore "supposed" to play a certain way...) > One of > the things I do in my looping, is I set up large banks of effects and synth > sounds, and then kind of randomly choose them, not really knowing what sound > I'm going to get. I then have to DEAL with it. Conceptually, that's what I do too - playing something into the EDP and warping it, so that my playing is spit back at me in unexpected ways. Like you, it's a way of jump-starting my improvisation; it's almost like having a seperate person to play with, because I rarely know exactly what the stuff coming back is going to sound like until I hear it. And ideally, that can inspire me to play things I wouldn't have thought of if I was just looping phrases in a straightforward manner. This is where the "turntablist" concept comes into play for me: the idea is that instead of using a looper (or a turntable/mixer) as a means of playing back a phrase (or a record) verbatim, you can use it as a way of scultping and generating sound on its own, using the apparatus as a medium for doing so. Pseudo-signifying Marshall McLuhan on a Friday night, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 00:52:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25747; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:50:44 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "ernesto schnack" X-Epoch: 1027140644 X-Sasl-enc: +Az5W7vsQGsQ0E155AIAWQ Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Message-Id: <20020720045044.BBC366D9E4@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:43:10 -0700, "Jon Wagner" said: > One other idea I had for the slip function but haven't tried yet. I > was > thinking that it might be a neat way to get some interesting panning > functions if you bounce a track to a new one, then pan it and slip it a > bit. > When you play both tracks you'd get kind of a one-time slapback panned > delay. This is probably easier to do on some stereo multi-effects > boxes > right? yeah, you can come up with some cool chorusing and delay effects by bouncing tracks and using the pitch and slip functions. Another thing i was messing around with (nothing to do with slip though) is recording something at a really slow tempo...REEAAAALLLLY slow, like 1 bpm. Then when you bring it up to speed it can turn into all kinds of delightful noises. Haven't tried it with a cfc though, might be too slow for it. Ernesto -- http://fastmail.fm/ - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 01:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29097; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:51:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D38FAE0.F66B3ACB@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:02:43 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Direction... References: <3.0.5.32.20020719214847.00858d60@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Goddess wrote: > Hi All, I thought some might be interested in this. A couple of nights > ago, I recorded an interesting vocal loop which I like alot. One of the > cool things about it is that I have a really difficult time telling which > direction it's playing in. -soundwise I mean... I vary from recording in > forward and reverse modes, so I'm not exactly sure which one I recorded > this in... Not only is the melodic and harmonic progression incredibly > similar both ways, but the actual envelope of my voice, and the style I'm > singing in, are almost exactly the same in either direction. I > even take a breath at one point, and *laughing* I still can't tell which > direction the darn thing is playing in. I have a suspicion, but > that's it... lol! > Anyway, I thought this might be an interesting idea to explore further, > since it's so easy on the Repeater to flip a sample back and forth. -And > it encompasses both the idea of the looper as instrument, as well as a > technical and musical attention to detail. Anyway, talk with > y'all real soon, K? > > Smiles, > > CQ > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe hm sounds like you mighta hit a node of some kind. it's been recently discovered that time actually propagates much the way light does, that is, evenly outward from the source in all directions (unless it encounters gravitational anomalies, but that's another matter altogether); we are merely limited by our ability to perceive it as such, except on those rare occasions as i suspect you have just done... :o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 02:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31436; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:18:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.131.19] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: a nice review Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:16:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2002 06:16:28.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBC5ACD0:01C22FB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all...just got back from a cross-country trek (played solo looping shows in Utah, Nebraska, South Dakota, Idaho, wyoming...all the places we looper's don't usually get to (unless there is a Snake River LoopFest in the works that I have not heard of....) All the shows were warmly recieved, even tho I was more than once greeted with the (somewhat expected) "how'd you do that?" Nontheless, it was a gas, and a relative success. Just wanted to congratulate all the Y2K2 Loopers...I wish I coulda been there! And another big salute to Rick! Oh..to the point. I found my new CD reviewed at bassically.net, and thought I might share with you (since everyone here seems to enjoy posting their reviews!) "From Ekstasis Productions comes bassist Max Valentino's debut solo project, A Caravan of Dreams. On his first self-produced outing, Valentino paints haunting soundscapes, explores exotic Middle Eastern flavors, and reveals hints of Spanish vibes. Utilizing his instrument of choice, the Godin A4 acoustic bass guitar, throughout the majority of the tracks, and state-of-the-art sound processing technology, Valentino has assembled a thoughtfully textured collection of multi-dimensional, looped-based compositions. While most of the tracks found on this recording are based on live improvisations, you'd never be able to tell it. These tracks sound so good, it seems like Valentino's dense orchestrations were meant to be. Although some tracks are developed into seriously interwoven electronic arrangements, Valentino's acoustic bass guitar lends an organic feel throughout his music. Unlike the rut in which many of today's contemporary bass loopers find themselves falling into, Valentino is able to maintain the listeners attention from start to finish. Valentino's compositions are all wide ranging in sounds, styles, and textures. During his sonic exhibitions, Valentino demonstrates his skills as a composer by producing completely eclectic, unaccompanied compositions with intense chordal workouts, slapping, two-handed tapping, and traditional fingerstyle techniques. Lush chordal sequences, lyrically improvised melodic phrases, and percussive-laden figures are all infused into this recording. A complete track listing includes: "Into That Still Dark Night", "Alegria", "Here & Now", "Djam Karet", "Drifting", "A Caravan of Dreams", "Farfetched", "Anika's Tune", "Hidden Roads", "Ghost Town", and "Into That Still Dark Night (Reprise)." Bottom Line: With his debut release, A Caravan of Dreams, Max Valentino has redefined the future of solo bass performance. Emotionally evocative, wholly musical, and technically awe-inspiring best describe this recording." The CD is heavily loop-laden, which is barely mentioned here, but then again it is a bass-site. Nonetheless, it was a good thing to come home to. Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 03:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02692; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:17:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:17:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: OT: Bass Ztar for sale Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:15:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c22fbd$4faf2d00$2e07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all: Since there are a few looping bassist on this list I thought I would forward this--Harvey got bumped off the list a while back and so didn't post it here. I got it from the Z list. Heeere's Harvey: hi! I've got a Zbass we built for Billy Sheehan that he's had for about 5 years. He's traded it in toward a new one. This one can be rebuilt with newer hardware/software if desired. It's flame maple with a purple anodized front panel. I've got it up on ebay. If you'd like to check it out it's at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=893678183&r=0&t=0&showTut orial=0&ed=0&indexURL=0&rd=1 thanks, harveyS http://www.starrlabs.com Hey it's me again. Nice thing about this instrument: those pads can be used to send any MIDI message, so you could control a looper (I do--double neck 6 string Ztar and electric 6 string guitar). Too bad Rick Walker's going with dayglo green now--that purple would have been perfect! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 03:46:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03891; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:46:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:46:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020720014624.00a2cd80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:46:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <3D38E9A5.72AFDB86@earthlink.net> References: <003b01c22ef7$ba35c100$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> <3D385D66.6AF2AAAD@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi you guys, -Hope ya don't mind me chiming in on this thread a bit. lol! Ah, the wonders of insomnia! -I think I'll spend a bit of time with my Repeater after writing this. -my current metallic lover... lol! Anyway, regarding the idea of too much slicing and dicing of loops, -personally, even if I'm only playing straight ahead soundscapy sort of stuff, I really like to keep a loop changing to a certain degree. It's just my personal taste, concerning what I, myself, playing the role of an audience would realy like to hear. -Where I feel I'm being guided to go musically. I like to hear repetition, but also like movement. -I like a piece to travel somewhere, and take me with it. -But still be a consistant companion. Does that make sense? For me, changing a loop usually means changing it musically, with regard to what I might be playing on whatever instrument I'm playing at the time, but to me, this could be applied to the idea of using the looper itself as the instrument as well, to bring together the ideas of repetition with movement. I bet most loopers try to do this anyway, but it's interesting to discuss. -at least in my opinion... I like the moment and the music to guide me. anyway, -just some late-night thoughts... -Hope yer' all havin' a wonderfully loopy dream-filled evening... Smiles, G-Girl At 09:40 PM 7/19/02 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Alex, > >Alex Stahl wrote: >> >> When you get into the place where the creative decisions of the >> moment are about changing the timing, slicing and dicing, and warping >> a loop, as much or more than about playing into or against it, I >> almost think of this as something distinct from "looping". > >I know what you mean here. By the same token, though, I think an >argument could be made (and I'm not even arguing this, but it's >interesting stuff to think about) that this sort of thing is very much >part of looping, for a few reasons: > >1) Very little real-time looping involves simply setting up a loop and >then letting it repeat over and over and over, with no changes made to >it. Even overdubbing a new layer into a loop, or changing feedback >levels, involved changing (or "editing") the content of the loop in some >way. > >2) Ultimately (at least in the case of EDP or Repeater editing >functions) everything that's being done, in terms of slicing and dicing, >changing loop length, or otherwise chopping up the sound, is still being >applied to material which, left to its own devices, will repeat over and >over again - that is, loop! > >3) One point of view might say that using a bunch of EDP editing >functions to chop up a loop actually represents a PURER form of looping >than does a system that applies serious processing or effects to the >loop. The reason I say this is that things like reverb, pitch >modulation, pitch shifting, or other processing aren't really part of >"looping," per se - they're electronic treatments applied to sound. > >On the other hand, things like Unrounded Multiply, Replace, Substitute, >SUS-insert, SubCycle Multiply and the like are all intrinsic functions >built into a unit designed explicitly as a looper. And all of those >fancy EDP functions are ultimately performing one of two basic >functions: changing the content of a loop by adding or removing >material, or redefining the length of the loop itself. Even half-speed >on the EDP seems to fit into this criteria, because the effect is >obtained by playing back the loop at half the sample rate, rather than >applying pitch-shifting DSP. > >> Probably the reason I sense some distinction is that the technology >> makes it possible to perform incredibly fluid and dense layers, and >> possible to perform awesome feats of rhythmic sample jugging, but >> it's still kind of hard to do both at the same time. Matthias' and >> Andre's playing at the LoopIV release party reminded me of this >> contrast, although I make no pretense to say that was anything more >> than my personal impression from a too-short evening. > >I'd agree with this to a large extent; on the material we played earlier >in the evening, I felt like there was generally one of us who was at the >forefront at any given time, and the other one tended to try and find >ways of fitting "his thing" into the picture. The best stuff we played, >I thought, happened after the party was over, later that night and the >next morning. > >Also, Matthias' whole "thing" is infinitely more finely tuned and >developed than my approach. I pretty much started over from scratch a >year ago, and am still trying to figure out what my relationship with >the EDP is, and can be. So I kind of feel like I'm growing up in public >with this stuff. Listening to the videotape on the drive home, I often >felt like I was getting in Mr. Grob's way, or not leaving enough space >for the guy. :( > >And I have to say that seeing Matthias (and Amy X the next morning) do >their stuff up close was a serious learning experience for me. They >definitely inspired me to stop thinking that I had to constantly slice >and warp the loops every time they were in danger of (shock! horror!) >repeating a few times. Seeing how stunningly well Matthias and Amy were >able to use repetition in very musical, attention-grabbing ways was >tremendously educational. I drove home from Oakland that day thinking, >"OK, Andre, enough fooling around. It's time to get your act together >with this stuff." > >--Andre LaFosse >http://www.altruistmusic.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 03:52:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04258; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:52:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3915C2.F5EBDFB2@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:48:19 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Momentary Behringer FCB1010? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, A question about the Behrinher FCB1010: I've heard conflicting things with regards to its ability to function in a "momentary" manner - that is, to send one command when a pedal is depressed (for instance, a note on or a positive CC value), and another commands when the pedal is released (in this case, a note off or a CC value of 0). The idea here is that it could be assigned to trigger EDP functions in a sustained fashion, so that the function in question only occurs for as long as the pedal is depressed. I've scanned the instruction manual for the unit on Behringer's web site, and it seems (from what I can tell) to explicitly state that it only sends note on commands and not note offs. Are there any EDP users (Andy?) who are able to use the Behringer in a momentary fashion? Does note vs. CC make a difference here? I like my PMC-10 just fine, but I'd prefer not to have to troll Ebay looking for backup units... Big thanks in advance! --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 04:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07407; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:13:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:13:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c22fc5$1da96a20$7864f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207200444.AAA25245@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: GODDESS's forward/reverse 'accident Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:11:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Goddess, Viz a vis this idea of forwards and backwards loops. Try this on for size: Start playing around with some palindromic rhythms. an example would be this simple rhythm in 5/8 5/8 ||: D*T*D :|| where D = a bass note T = a treble note * = a rest These could be melodic or percussive sounds. Flip 'em over backwards and , voila, you have the same rhythm coming as going!!!! Here's a beautiful rhythm from Cuba called 'Cascara' that is rhythmically palindromic: ||: T*TT*T*TT*T*TT*T :|| 1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a *by the way, if these rhythms don't line up, select them and change the font to courier or andale (fixed width fonts that make all characters line up). That's how we send rhythms on the frame drummers list without having to use a notation program. Now make the melody palindromic as well, as in: ||: 1*33*5*77*5*33*1 :|| 1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a I'm using 1, 3, 5 and 7 as whatever degree of whatever mode or scale you happen to choose (hence, locrian mode would be 1, flat 3, flat 5, flat 7). You see what I mean? Excellent for forwards and backwards and forwards playing that still stays 'consonant' both rhythmically and harmonically. Try it, you'll like it.......... Hope you are well. How's that new repeater coming along? Can't wait to hear you perform at the World's First All Woman Looping Festival, October 4th at the San Jose Museum of Art. Amy X Neuburg was phenomenal and phenomenally well recieved at this past weeks' Y2K2 Loopfest, btw, and she will also be on the bill with you as the headliner. It's going to kick butt. warmly, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 04:23:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07974; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:22:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:22:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c22fc6$6aef6860$7864f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207200444.AAA25245@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Ambiguous Rhythmic Effect: was Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:21:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon wrote: . I got the idea for "ambigous (sic) rhythmical content" from Matthias. I had a discussion with him about playing with a DJ. He used the term "ambigous harmonic content" as a way to fit his guitar sounds with any unexpected harmonic content on a DJ's record. I decided that I needed to try out the same thing with rhythm. Along these lines, I have really enjoyed making either rubato/ambient or complex odd time rhythmic loops on my DL4 and then playing a groove against them that is in a more straight time: recording both on the repeater and thereby, randomly 'grabbing' phrasing from the first loop that was not intended conciously for the first loop. This is a great way to create insteresting ambient pads that , nevertheless, contextualize as 'grooves' once the final 4/4 rhthym (or any rhthym, for that matter) is imposed on it. I have loved doing this with just two DL-4s until I got the Repeater. Now I can use this method and then play the damn thing as a melody with my new WX-5 wind controller...........I love life..........tee hee. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 04:41:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08902; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:41:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c22fc9$05cf5140$7864f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207200444.AAA25245@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: The LOOPFEST VIDEO Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:39:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4kRJq.A.vIC.FISO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, There is a tremendous amount of material on the 22 hours of video that Eileen Sundet took at LOOPFEST at the behest of DIRT (who wasn't there but who convinced me to arrange for it). I can't believe that Eileen filmed the whole thing. This is an astonishing accomplishment as I'm sure you will all agree. Pete Coates also did a stereo audio recording off the board into his hardrive for Stage One artists (and panel discussions and demonstrations). David Fitzpatrick (my incredibly talented assistant of late) recorded all of STAGE TWO performance on DAY ONE with his DARWIN (which broke down later that evening, but we still have the material on the harddrive) and then on my 20-bit ADAT on DAY TWO. This material represents potentially hundreds of hours of editing to get it into releasable form. We first need to get the written permission to do so from the participating artists, one of whom has already forbidden us from releasing her work in any form. Ethically, this must be accomplished because neither of us 'owns' the material. That being said and done, we have to come to some decision about how to release the material (individual sets by special order? the whole two days on three VHS tapes in a more low fi and 'docuvideo approach', or whatever). Dirt, who really instigated the taping (even though he was not present at the event) really wants to do some professional editing and put it out as AVI or QUICKTIME files on a CD that could be played on a DVD player. This is all up for consideration. So, a couple of factors to consider: 1) Everyone is wasted from the festival still. Eileen just left on a 5 day vacation and I would if I had the dough right now, but alas. 2) we need to get artist release forms from the participants 3) I'd appreciate it if you would send any ideas you have about all of this stuff to me off list and I will bring them to the attention of all the people who will be required to put a lot of long and hard hours into getting this material ready. 4) We have to figure out how much to charge for such a thing. No one is interested in any way shape or form in 'making a profit' with this material, but I have asked these wonderful documenters for more than I'm wiling to ask them to do this for 'free'. Most of the coming decision will need to come from discussions with them. 5) I will gently shepherd this project, but have come to the point where I can't work too much longer on this incredible event. I took virtually 6 weeks of my life off to do it and i have to make some money now to keep my landlord at bay and myself in the triple venti espresso soy mocha's to which I am accustomed. ;-) In other words, this will not happen immediately. Please write me or the list and let me know how badly you want this to happen. There may be only a few people interested in which case, we won't go to such trouble to get it all highly slick. Talk amongst yourselves. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) ps please also do me a favor and CC me any posts about this to my home e-mail address at GLOBAL@cruzio.com as well as the list. I"m incredibly swamped with projects now and may not make it to the digest everyday, but want to stay abreast of the dialogue. Thanks.! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 05:36:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11809; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:35:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:35:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020720033559.007fb100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:35:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: re: GODDESS's forward/reverse 'accident In-Reply-To: <004c01c22fc5$1da96a20$7864f93f@global> References: <200207200444.AAA25245@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Rick, woohoo!, still up and loopy! lol! Thanks for the tips. I play around with palindromic polyrhythms and teach them in my lessons, I also used to use simple rhythmic palindromes as count-ins when recording in reverse with tape. So I'm familiar with the concepts. I can't wait to try these out! Yes, amy and I have been corresponding a bit lately. I wish I got to see the festival. Something I found particularly interesting about my vocal loop is that there's alot of sliding of notes relative to eachother, changing chords between tension and resolve, and despite all this, it's still almost impossible for me to tell which direction this was recorded at. It's pretty wild! Anyway, nighters for now, -will talk soon, K? Hugs, CQ At 01:11 AM 7/20/02 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Goddess, > >Viz a vis this idea of forwards and backwards loops. >Try this on for size: > >Start playing around with some palindromic rhythms. > >an example would be this simple rhythm in 5/8 > > >5/8 ||: D*T*D :|| > >where D = a bass note > T = a treble note > * = a rest > >These could be melodic or percussive sounds. > >Flip 'em over backwards and , voila, you have the same rhythm coming as >going!!!! > >Here's a beautiful rhythm from Cuba called 'Cascara' that is rhythmically >palindromic: > >||: T*TT*T*TT*T*TT*T :|| > 1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a > >*by the way, if these rhythms don't line up, select them and change the font >to courier or andale (fixed width fonts that make all characters line up). >That's how we send rhythms on the frame drummers list without having to use >a notation program. > >Now make the melody palindromic as well, as in: > >||: 1*33*5*77*5*33*1 :|| > 1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a > >I'm using 1, 3, 5 and 7 as whatever degree of whatever mode or scale you >happen to choose (hence, locrian mode would be 1, flat 3, flat 5, flat >7). > >You see what I mean? Excellent for forwards and backwards and forwards >playing that still stays 'consonant' both rhythmically and harmonically. > >Try it, you'll like it.......... > >Hope you are well. How's that new repeater coming along? Can't wait to >hear you perform at the World's First All Woman Looping Festival, October >4th at the San Jose Museum of Art. Amy X Neuburg was phenomenal and >phenomenally well recieved at this past weeks' Y2K2 Loopfest, btw, and she >will also be on the bill with you as the headliner. It's going to kick >butt. > >warmly, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 05:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12635; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:51:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:51:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020720035123.00956100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:51:23 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: replacing and time slipping single tracks on Repeater Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, -Well, I did afterall, have a little fling with my friendly Repeater for a while, and well, IT WAS AWESOME!!! lollollol! Mark Sottilaro asked earlier about slipping one track of a stereo pair. Mark, simply deselect the stereo pair, and then select a single track and then time slip it. anyway, one really neat thing I was just doing was to use the replace function to selectively create drop-outs in a stereo track by replacing little bits of it with silence. Then, I'd select a single track of the pair to time slip. You end up with a sort of uneven chopy track with a panning delay effect. Then, if you add the original rhythm back in, you can get some pretty wild accents due to the audio cuts and delaying. Then if you reverse it all... lollollol!!! anyway, you can create some real craziness if you then go ahead and do the same thing to the original rhythm track and mix it in as well. It gets pretty mangled. lol! Anyway, -just thought I'd share... Nighters, G-Girl --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 06:04:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14791; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:04:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:04:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c22fd4$8e916260$ed2d93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <200207200444.AAA25245@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20020720033559.007fb100@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: GODDESS's forward/reverse 'accident Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:02:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com GODDESS can we have a listen to this accident or isnt it the instinctive result of your sutained work with those stuctures in your guitar playing that made you sing palindromic by instinct work and search always land in your instinctive playing (finnaly....;=) where can I find more info on the palindromic uses in music how did you discover this way of generating structures are there others ways very interested Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: re: GODDESS's forward/reverse 'accident > hey Rick, woohoo!, still up and loopy! lol! Thanks for the tips. I > play around with palindromic polyrhythms and teach them in my lessons, I > also used to use simple rhythmic palindromes as count-ins when recording > in reverse with tape. So I'm familiar with the concepts. I can't wait to > try these out! > Yes, amy and I have been corresponding a bit lately. I wish I got to see > the festival. > Something I found particularly interesting about my vocal loop is that > there's alot of sliding of notes relative to eachother, changing chords > between tension and resolve, and despite all this, it's still almost > impossible for me to tell which direction this was recorded at. It's > pretty wild! > Anyway, nighters for now, -will talk soon, K? > > Hugs, > > CQ > > At 01:11 AM 7/20/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Dear Goddess, > > > >Viz a vis this idea of forwards and backwards loops. > >Try this on for size: > > > >Start playing around with some palindromic rhythms. > > > >an example would be this simple rhythm in 5/8 > > > > > >5/8 ||: D*T*D :|| > > > >where D = a bass note > > T = a treble note > > * = a rest > > > >These could be melodic or percussive sounds. > > > >Flip 'em over backwards and , voila, you have the same rhythm coming as > >going!!!! > > > >Here's a beautiful rhythm from Cuba called 'Cascara' that is rhythmically > >palindromic: > > > >||: T*TT*T*TT*T*TT*T :|| > > 1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a > > > >*by the way, if these rhythms don't line up, select them and change the font > >to courier or andale (fixed width fonts that make all characters line up). > >That's how we send rhythms on the frame drummers list without having to use > >a notation program. > > > >Now make the melody palindromic as well, as in: > > > >||: 1*33*5*77*5*33*1 :|| > > 1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a > > > >I'm using 1, 3, 5 and 7 as whatever degree of whatever mode or scale you > >happen to choose (hence, locrian mode would be 1, flat 3, flat 5, flat > >7). > > > >You see what I mean? Excellent for forwards and backwards and forwards > >playing that still stays 'consonant' both rhythmically and harmonically. > > > >Try it, you'll like it.......... > > > >Hope you are well. How's that new repeater coming along? Can't wait to > >hear you perform at the World's First All Woman Looping Festival, October > >4th at the San Jose Museum of Art. Amy X Neuburg was phenomenal and > >phenomenally well recieved at this past weeks' Y2K2 Loopfest, btw, and she > >will also be on the bill with you as the headliner. It's going to kick > >butt. > > > >warmly, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 06:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15526; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:15:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:15:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c22fd6$1be2a420$ed2d93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20020720035123.00956100@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: replacing and time slipping single tracks on Repeater Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:13:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Automate those button presses with a sequencer (pattern mode or song mode) "the slipping song" no sound created yet just a looping/mangling empty structure fire the sequencer then add the notes/sounds to the slipping song Claude > Hi All, -Well, I did afterall, have a little fling with my friendly > Repeater for a while, and well, IT WAS AWESOME!!! lollollol! > Mark Sottilaro asked earlier about slipping one track of a stereo pair. > Mark, simply deselect the stereo pair, and then select a single track and > then time slip it. > anyway, one really neat thing I was just doing was to use the replace > function to selectively create drop-outs in a stereo track by replacing > little bits of it with silence. Then, I'd select a single track of the > pair to time slip. You end up with a sort of uneven chopy track with a > panning delay effect. Then, if you add the original rhythm back in, you > can get some pretty wild accents due to the audio cuts and delaying. > Then if you reverse it all... lollollol!!! > anyway, you can create some real craziness if you then go ahead and do > the same thing to the original rhythm track and mix it in as well. It gets > pretty mangled. lol! > Anyway, -just thought I'd share... > > Nighters, > > G-Girl > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 06:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15871; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:15:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:15:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: replacing and time slipping single tracks on Repeater Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:15:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020720035123.00956100@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fran: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] >y neat thing I was just doing was to use the replace > function to selectively create drop-outs in a stereo track by replacing > little bits of it with silence. Then, I'd select a single track of the > pair to time slip. > G-Girl Hey - that was inspiring! ;-) I have to add that to my behringer foot controller. Thanks! ...got some pretty wild ideas right now... have to try them out in the lab first though... Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 06:16:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15872; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020720025112.031b1288@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:16:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Momentary Behringer FCB1010? In-Reply-To: <3D3915C2.F5EBDFB2@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:48 AM 7/20/2002, Andre LaFosse wrote: >A question about the Behrinher FCB1010: I've heard conflicting things >with regards to its ability to function in a "momentary" manner - that >is, to send one command when a pedal is depressed (for instance, a note >on or a positive CC value), and another commands when the pedal is >released (in this case, a note off or a CC value of 0). weirdly, I was researching exactly the same question earlier today since somebody had been asking me about it...... >The idea here is that it could be assigned to trigger EDP functions in a >sustained fashion, so that the function in question only occurs for as >long as the pedal is depressed. I've scanned the instruction manual for >the unit on Behringer's web site, and it seems (from what I can tell) to >explicitly state that it only sends note on commands and not note offs. From what I can figure out, it does send a NoteOff. Actually a NoteOn with velocity 0, which is generally treated as NoteOff. They have this information buried way at the end of the manual in the section explaining midi, instead of the obvious spot where they discuss programming Notes. And from what somebody else told me, their customer support has confirmed this. So anyway, that much is ok, it sends a NoteOn and NoteOff. What I can't figure out is *when* the NoteOff gets sent. Is it immediately after the NoteOn when the pedal is pressed? or when the pedal is released? (allowing for a sustained note.) Does anybody know? > Are there any EDP users (Andy?) who are able to use the Behringer in a >momentary fashion? Does note vs. CC make a difference here? I like my >PMC-10 just fine, but I'd prefer not to have to troll Ebay looking for >backup units... From what I can tell, using cc messages from the Behringer won't work because it can only send one value when the pedal is pressed. It doesn't appear to allow one cc value sent when the pedal is pressed and a different value when released, which is what the echoplex would want. It seems like a nice pedal for the price, but the midi implementation and programming just seems needlessly weird. Like they tried to limit things to make it simpler to use and ended up making it more complicated. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 06:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17463; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:47:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8.298adb3e.2a6a996a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:46:02 EDT Subject: Re: Momentary Behringer FCB1010? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <2QohGC.A.fQE.N-TO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > A question about the Behrinher FCB1010: I've heard conflicting things > with regards to its ability to function in a "momentary" manner - that > is, to send one command when a pedal is depressed (for instance, a note > on or a positive CC value), and another commands when the pedal hi Andre, the 1010 does Note-Off when you release the, so it works fine with the EDP. ...but sends a single CC on the downpress only. Soon I hope to work on some ideas to send Progchange for preset select, and NoteOn with one press. ...by getting the preset right this could produce all sorts of stuff. ...like "Instant cut the loop in half" ...or going directly into 8th replace. hope this helps andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 10:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29733; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Subject: SV: replacing and time slipping single tracks on Repeater Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:23:59 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Fran: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] > > >y neat thing I was just doing was to use the replace > > function to selectively create drop-outs in a stereo track by replacing > > little bits of it with silence. Then, I'd select a single track of the > > pair to time slip. > > G-Girl > Fran: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Hey - that was inspiring! ;-) > I have to add that to my behringer foot controller. Thanks! > > ...got some pretty wild ideas right now... have to try them out > in the lab first though... I tried this trick with my FCB1010 and Repeater today - it was awesome! Pressed a foot pad I had programmed to "record enable track 3+4", recorded a loop with a saxophone, stepped another foot pad for "replace", tap danced on the rec button to record "gated silence"(drop-outs), stepped the pad for "record enable track 3", went into overdub mode and recorded one second of silence to break up the stereo pair of 3/4, stepped a foot pad for "slip track 4". By default I keep track 3 and 4 panned left/right. Now the drop-outs created a nice groove. On my FCB1010 I have set a modulation pedal to control the amount of sliding, so I could manipulate the left/right bouncing groove with that pedal while playing melodies on top of it. If you have a Repeater and a FCB1010 you have to try this! ;)))) regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 10:31:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30218; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:30:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:30:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 23:30:27 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: LD J photos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <19wrvB.A.yXH.NQXO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, We did web cast gig,Looper's Delight J at 14th July from Kobe,Japan. Photos available below(audio clips are not yet,sorry..) http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2002/reports.html and uploaded loops are: http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2002/uploaded_loops_2002.html Details of Looper's Delight J: http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 11:44:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05029; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:43:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:43:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1a0.58c7496.2a6adeda@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:42:18 EDT Subject: Re: OT: a nice review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations! Way to go Max! Cheers, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 11:45:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05445; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:45:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:45:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: wavecomputer360@gmx.de Message-ID: <004001c23004$5c7a0c20$cb64fe91@parsick> To: Subject: Electrix Repeater CFCs? Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:44:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C23015.1F28A8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C23015.1F28A8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I=B4ve been off for a while, and searching the archives didn=B4t help me = any further. Does anybody on this list have experiences as to which = large CFCs can be used with the Repeater? I=B4d like to have maximum = loop time available so I=B4m primarily interested in cards that have 256 = or 512 mB. Please respond off-list if I=B4m wasting bandwidth. Thanks, Stephen. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C23015.1F28A8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I=B4ve been off for a while, and = searching the=20 archives didn=B4t help me any further. Does anybody on this list have = experiences=20 as to which large CFCs can be used with the Repeater? I=B4d like to have = maximum=20 loop time available so I=B4m primarily interested in cards that have 256 = or 512=20 mB. Please respond off-list if I=B4m wasting bandwidth. = Thanks,
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C23015.1F28A8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 11:57:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06312; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:56:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater CFCs? From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001c23004$5c7a0c20$cb64fe91@parsick> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA06154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/20/02 11:44 AM, wavecomputer360@gmx.de at wavecomputer360@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I´ve been off for a while, and searching the archives didn´t help me any further. Does anybody on this list have experiences as to which large CFCs can be used with the Repeater? I´d like to have maximum loop time available so I´m primarily interested in cards that have 256 or 512 mB. Please respond off-list if I´m wasting bandwidth. Thanks, Stephen. You might want to search for my post of maybe two months ago on this issue. For sure only try Simpletechs, and I doubt you will be able to use 512s. I've just decided to sell my Repeater, so I can offer you a 256MB card that will work for sure--I had to get a replacement from Simpletech; one from the store wasn't up to the strain... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 12:15:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08306; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:09:31 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: re: GODDESS's forward/reverse 'accident In-reply-to: <004c01c22fc5$1da96a20$7864f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200207200444.AAA25245@hemlock.violacea.com> <004c01c22fc5$1da96a20$7864f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:11 AM -0700 7/20/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Start playing around with some palindromic rhythms. Olivier Messiaen made extensive use of "non-retrogradable rhythms" (his term for musical palindromes). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 12:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09282; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:29:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:29:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: accident Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:26:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D37C326.22BA3D12@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My thanks for all the kind thoughts and words! This is a *great* community we have here! -----Original Message----- From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accident Goddess wrote: > Dennis, I'd just like to send you the warmest of wishes. Please get > well soon, K? -My thoughts are with you... > > Smiles, > > G-Girl > > At 10:48 PM 7/17/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello Fellow Loopists! > > > >I've been away... > > > >On July 7th, I was in a rather nasty bicycle accident. I broke my clavicle > >in two places; eight consecutive ribs in my back (all along my left side); > >snapped-off several "transverse processes" (those little ears that stick out > >on the sides of the vertebrae); and I had a hemothorax (collapsed lung). > >And the spot I crashed in? Filled with poison ivy! > oh! guess i missed this thread. heal well there, pardner! but enough about you...how's the bike? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 13:49:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13892; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:43:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:43:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:48:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Loop strategies Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About a year ago I was working on a solo CD by my good friend George Perry. George is a brilliant musician and writer who always challenges me in creative ways. On one particular tune, he wanted a chorus of laughing guitars. We decided to eschew the traditional use of a wah pedal, and got creative with a jamman. We realized that laughter has an almost saw tooth-like wave characteristic with a short rise and rapid fall time. To mimic his particular laughter I first sampled a bit of his laughter into the jamman. I then reversed the track, and proceeded to learn the cadence of his laughter played backwards. Then I did my best to duplicate this cadence on guitar, and the final step was to record and reverse the guitar track so as to mimic not only the direction of his laughter, but also the sawtooth-like characteristic of his laughter. We did this a half dozen times on different guitars (baritone, strat, and mini strat) to create a chorus of laughing guitars. The results were quite remarkable and hysterically funny. It almost sounded like the canned laughter you would hear on old tv sitcoms. The idea came from an attempt I made to create an answering machine message where I learned how to phonetically say the message in reverse and then flipped it over. ie. Hello my name is Bill pronounced: lliB si eman ym olleH. If I'm not mistaken I believe David Lynch used this same technique for the midget's voice on Twin Peaks. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 13:58:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14788; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:57:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:55:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Loop strategies Resent-Message-ID: <25t3RD.A.bmD.aRaO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hear on old tv sitcoms. The idea came from an attempt I made to create an >answering machine message where I learned how to phonetically say the >message in reverse and then flipped it over. ie. Hello my name is Bill >pronounced: lliB si eman ym olleH. If I'm not mistaken I believe David >Lynch used this same technique for the midget's voice on Twin Peaks. Have I ever mentioned this silly exploit I did in college with somebody's mini tape dictation machine? It was in the mid-1970s, and it was a handheld device that used micro-cassettes. Another guy had been using it for notes, and one of our drinking buddies then went and recorded rude remarks into the middle of that. So, you'd have whatever academic notes were being spoken, then another voice saying, "And eat my shorts." The tape device had a rewind mode that kept the play head engaged, so when I was rewinding, I noticed the interruptions, which sounded roughly like "stoltz yawm ghi." I practiced saying "stoltz yawm ghi" in a slow, deep voice, and recorded this over and over onto a tape. So then I had something I could run up to a person with, point at them like a phaser and which would emit an uncannily whining, phaser-like "EatMyShorts!EatMyShorts!EatMyShorts! ..." --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 14:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17512; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:15:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:12:10 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loop strategies In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:48 AM -0700 7/20/02, William R. Walker, wrote: >On one particular tune, he wanted a chorus of laughing >guitars. We decided to eschew the traditional use of a wah pedal, and got >creative with a jamman. We realized that laughter has an almost saw >tooth-like wave characteristic with a short rise and rapid fall time. You might find the theories of Manfred Clynes interesting. I once saw him lecture on his science of "sentics" and use the gestural quality of laughter as an example. >Hello my name is Bill pronounced: lliB si eman ym olleH. There was a DJ in Boston in the '60s who popularized the saying, "Flesruoy toh os kool tnod uoy." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 14:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18184; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:19:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:19:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: GODDESS's forward/reverse 'accident Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:16:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <007401c22fd4$8e916260$ed2d93d4@black> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To my great delight, I discovered that "you" is nearly the exact reverse of "we". (Try it!) It would be great fun to compile a dictionary of words which have meaning both forwards and backwards. Any linguistists on the list? We could probably work from a dictionary with IPA (international phonentic alphabet) spellings of words. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 14:37:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19321; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:37:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:37:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.62.100.226] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gr-33/VG8 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:35:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2002 18:35:43.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[4155BA30:01C2301C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am sure this has come up . . . I have decided to allocate the funds I've been saving for an EDP for a guitar synth. I have been getting more opportunities for commercial sound design and I thought it was time to try out a synth. I am hoping I can get it to control my software synths (mainly reaktor) but I was wondering if anyone had advice on which Roland unit was the best for tweaking and manipulating sounds within the unit. It is my understanding that the VG-8 is primarily a modeler. I am very new to synths, and don't really know what they offer. Maybe there is a different manufacturer I should look into? Any takers? Nick Schillace In Door Park _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 14:42:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19656; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:42:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:42:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: MIDI syncing (Was: DL4 vs. Line6 Echo Pro) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:40:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <44RVuB.A.6yE.57aO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias! Just getting caught up on postings... > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MIDI syncing (Was: DL4 vs. Line6 Echo Pro) > From: Matthias Grob > Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:59:58 +0200 >> And since I'm talking about it, you can easily >> change the DL4, Boomerang, etc, models to make them fully MIDI-able too, if >> you've ever wondered what that would be like. > thats a strong statement! > Do you say that you modelled all those units in KYMA? Yes, I have exact models of the Boomerang and the Loop Mode of the DL4. (At least I believe they are exact models.) I've also got the Headrush, Zoom 2100 and venerable JamMan modeled. I have a pretty good model of the RC-20 going that I want to complete but is temporarily on hold. I'm very excited about the Looper Construction Kit (LCK) for Kyma. When I officially release it, I'll make the manual available for free download. It's pretty heavy going, particularly if you're used to manuals like the DL4. Currently, it's at 137 pages. What's cool about these models under the LCK, is that you can easily change them. It's quite simple to add MIDI-sync to the DL4 model, or pitch shifting, or make a true stereo/quad/etc version of it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 14:44:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20044; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.1fc89ec0.2a6b0937@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:43:03 EDT Subject: Re: LD J photos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6e.1fc89ec0.2a6b0937_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6e.1fc89ec0.2a6b0937_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/02 10:30:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cave@osk.3web.ne.jp writes: > http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2002/reports.html > sunao.....looked like a loopie time was had by all!.....michael --part1_6e.1fc89ec0.2a6b0937_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/02 10:30:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cave@osk.3web.ne.jp writes:


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sunao.....looked like a loopie time was had by all!.....michael --part1_6e.1fc89ec0.2a6b0937_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 14:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20779; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:49:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Audio interfaces Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Feeney [mailto:mike@feenomenal.com] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Audio interfaces > . . . > I thought about doing that but my mixer has a channel > insert for each channel, but no output. Which is a > bummer. =( > . . . I've used channel inserts as "tap-off" points. As I recall, I shorted the tip and ring (the send/return) and took the channel output across that point and the sleeve. If you don't load the output very heavily, it doesn't affect the channel volume significantly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 15:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22807; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:05:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 Resent-Message-ID: <1636fD.A.1jF.TSbO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this may be way off-base, but every time i get it in my head that i want to get into guitar synth (and forget that i have a nord lead 2) i decide i want to get an axon pitch-to-midi converter and some other sound module, like a nord or virus... i'd have to look for a good unit for acoustics though, since the two i mentioned focus mainly on "synth- esque" sounds. guitar synth is pretty limited compared to a keyboard synth...which is exactly why i haven't bought one yet. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 15:59:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26352; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Gr-33/VG8 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:44:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com VG8 is a guitar modeler ONLY. Of these two only the GR33 will send midi to control other synths as well as softsynths. On board sounds on the GR are OK. It is from what I can tell, the only 'budget' option for midi guitar. Tracking has improved on this model slightly over earlier models. _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > -----Original Message----- > From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 > > > this may be way off-base, but every time i get it in > my head that i want to get into guitar synth (and > forget that i have a nord lead 2) i decide i want to > get an axon pitch-to-midi converter and some other > sound module, like a nord or virus... > > i'd have to look for a good unit for acoustics though, > since the two i mentioned focus mainly on "synth- > esque" sounds. > > guitar synth is pretty limited compared to a keyboard > synth...which is exactly why i haven't bought one yet. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 16:15:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27187; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:14:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c2302a$a2824040$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Robert Hoare and cheryl o Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:18:39 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chillout Tuesdays at the Ping - "Underground" and air-conditioned...mmm THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 23rd - Robert Hoare and cheryl o Flying in from Berlin, Germany for a return visit, Canadian composer and saxophonist, Rob Hoare teams up with cellist/loopist cheryl o for an evening of electroacoustic explorations. Special guest, Steven Sauve, who´s recently returned from a few concerts with Rob in Dresden & Berlin will be provding some live mix surprises, as well as injecting material from a "stream of consciousness" CD prepared in Berlin. Rob Hoare - http://www.robhoare.de cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca Between sets CD - "lost terrain" by Jeff Greinke (Hypnos) Darkly beautiful soundscapes recorded between 1990-1992 by this prolific American composer, performer and sound sculptor. http://www.hypnos.com/greinke . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 16:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28628; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:44:02 -0500 Subject: good music stores in san francisco Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm going to be in san francisco at the beginning of august and would like to know which musical instrument stores you might recommend i visit. any of these stores carry edp's for a good price (i'm looking to pick up a second unit)? thanks. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 16:50:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29309; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:50:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "marcus rojo" To: Subject: RE: Gr-33/VG8 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:00:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c23030$6b414bc0$b24c3c04@dslverizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Nick! I am in a similar situation as you only a little farther along the guitar synth road. I recently made the break from largely and acoustic multi-style player into the world of guitar and midi synth. I began by buying a Godin ACS-nylon string synth access guitar. I then bouht a VG-88 to accomplish the widest possible palette of guitar sounds possible with one unit. I also wanted to be able to use various tunings without having to actually retune the guitar. I found that the tunings had a sound that wasn't acceptable to me but the various other sounds provided made the unit worth it. Like you I was debating the choice between the Axon and GR-33 until I found someone selling an American Fender Strat with GK-2A pickup and GR-33 for a great price. The Strat GK-2A combo made the tuning options on the VG-88 sound much better as well as many of the other sounds. The Godin tracks the GR-33 better but some of the patches still sound better with the Strat. I should qualify that I haven't sat down to tweak the setup on the GR-33 both for the Strat and the Godin. I am right now beginning to hook up my Yamaha S-80 to see how the GR-33 works at controlling it. I still have a long way to go to really be able to comment thoroughly about the system but it seems as if it is going to be suitable for my needs. As far as the onboard sounds of the GR-33 the tracking seems to be fast enough. Once I work with the S-80 I'll let you know how it tracks. It seems quite evident to me that this is the future of guitar. There will always be a place for straight acoustic but this setup expands my horizons immeasurably. Have fun! MR -----Original Message----- From: Nick Schillace [mailto:nickschillace@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 11:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gr-33/VG8 I am sure this has come up . . . I have decided to allocate the funds I've been saving for an EDP for a guitar synth. I have been getting more opportunities for commercial sound design and I thought it was time to try out a synth. I am hoping I can get it to control my software synths (mainly reaktor) but I was wondering if anyone had advice on which Roland unit was the best for tweaking and manipulating sounds within the unit. It is my understanding that the VG-8 is primarily a modeler. I am very new to synths, and don't really know what they offer. Maybe there is a different manufacturer I should look into? Any takers? Nick Schillace In Door Park _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 16:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29762; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:45:03 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:05 PM -0500 7/20/02, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >this may be way off-base, but every time i get it in my head that i >want to get into guitar synth (and forget that i have a nord lead 2) >i decide i want to get an axon pitch-to-midi converter and some >other sound module, like a nord or virus... I have a Yamaha G50 (licensed axon technology) and like to use it with several Yamaha VL70m physical modeling synths and a Yamaha FS1R Fm synth. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 16:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30293; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.111.94] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gr-33/VG8 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:54:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2002 20:55:00.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[B668C1B0:01C2302F] Resent-Message-ID: <0vxMmC.A.NXH.D5cO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > guitar synth is pretty limited compared to a keyboard > > synth...which is exactly why i haven't bought one yet. > > So am I kidding myself if I think a guitar synth will control some hardware/software synths effectively? I understand the limits of midi guitar in general, but I really do not like playing on a keyboard. I feel much more creative with the guitar. N.Schillace _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 17:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32640; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020720151108.00a4e100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:11:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater CFCs? In-Reply-To: <004001c23004$5c7a0c20$cb64fe91@parsick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA32466 Resent-Message-ID: <_kOjIB.A.h7H.-GdO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please respond on-list, since I'm also interested in this info as well. Thanks bunches... Smiles, CQ At 05:44 PM 7/20/02 +0200, you wrote: > Hi, I´ve been off for a while, and searching the archives didn´t help >me any further. Does anybody on this list have experiences as to which >large CFCs can be used with the Repeater? I´d like to have maximum loop >time available so I´m primarily interested in cards that have 256 or 512 >mB. Please respond off-list if I´m wasting bandwidth. Thanks, Stephen. --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 17:28:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01473; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:26:34 -0500 Subject: RE: Gr-33/VG8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, i fell much better with a guitar in my hands versus sitting in front of a keyboard. from everything i've read and heard, midi guitar (exclusively traditional guitar with midi conversion) can only control a few parameters from the guitar itself...note on/off...things like vibrato and pitch bends, volume swells/un-swells, etc. have to programmed into the patch. i think the axon gives the user a few more options. and then there's always the tracking issue, which is always up for debate (which should tell you something). i must say that i'm terribly happy with my keyboard and learning a new instrument can only help. plus, it's cheaper than outfitting my guitar with all the synth essentials. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 17:29:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01973; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:29:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "marcus rojo" To: Subject: RE: Gr-33/VG8 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:39:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c23035$e0fa5fa0$b24c3c04@dslverizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I don't think your kidding yourself at all. Tracking probably won't be all that a keyboard would especially on some patches but unless you like to play very fast a lot, it probably won't represent a major obstacle. Though I haven't worked with software synths, I don't think there is anyl reason technically why they would differ from hardware. If extremely fast tracking is imperative to you, look at the Axon. They used to send out a free demo video and the guy playing is extremely fast and there is no lag at all in the tracking. Besides that the Axon has some impressive features that allow you to assign different sounds to different (2-upper and lower)parts of the neck as well as have different sounds triggered by where you pick the string. MR -----Original Message----- From: Nick Schillace [mailto:nickschillace@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gr-33/VG8 > > > > guitar synth is pretty limited compared to a keyboard > > synth...which is exactly why i haven't bought one yet. > > So am I kidding myself if I think a guitar synth will control some hardware/software synths effectively? I understand the limits of midi guitar in general, but I really do not like playing on a keyboard. I feel much more creative with the guitar. N.Schillace _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 18:23:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05511; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:23:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:23:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:22:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <245F526E-9C2F-11D6-A003-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. I couldn't tell the difference in tracking from the GR-30 to the 33, but the sounds seem equally lame. I ended up going with a totally different synth module, which works well. My ultimate goal is to ditch the GR-30 and go with the Axion, which seems great for tracking. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 20, 2002, at 12:44 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > VG8 is a guitar modeler ONLY. Of these two only the GR33 will send midi > to > control other synths as well as softsynths. On board sounds on the GR > are > OK. It is from what I can tell, the only 'budget' option for midi > guitar. > Tracking has improved on this model slightly over earlier models. > > > > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ > _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ > _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] >> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:06 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 >> >> >> this may be way off-base, but every time i get it in >> my head that i want to get into guitar synth (and >> forget that i have a nord lead 2) i decide i want to >> get an axon pitch-to-midi converter and some other >> sound module, like a nord or virus... >> >> i'd have to look for a good unit for acoustics though, >> since the two i mentioned focus mainly on "synth- >> esque" sounds. >> >> guitar synth is pretty limited compared to a keyboard >> synth...which is exactly why i haven't bought one yet. >> >> -jim >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 18:27:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05995; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:26:45 -0700 Subject: Re: good music stores in san francisco Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think they're all gone. Killed by The Guitar Center. I just got home with an EDP from Banana's at Large on 4th St in San Rafael. (10 mi north of SF) OK prices, and the salesman Rik, is on this list, and is the most loop savy salesperson around. Owns an EDP and a Repeater. Mark On Saturday, July 20, 2002, at 02:44 PM, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > i'm going to be in san francisco at the beginning of > august and would like to know which musical instrument > stores you might recommend i visit. any of these > stores carry edp's for a good price (i'm looking to > pick up a second unit)? > > thanks. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 18:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06416; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c2303c$c63183e0$0100a8c0@MARCSDESKTOP> From: "Marc Roche" To: References: Subject: Re: good music stores in san francisco Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:28:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, Guitar solo Haight street music Bananas at large (San Rafael) has the EDP I think. I bought my EDP online from 8th Street Music (in '98) for what I thought was the best price I could find, $525.00 Let me know how your second unit works out, I'm thinking of doing the same. Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: good music stores in san francisco > i'm going to be in san francisco at the beginning of > august and would like to know which musical instrument > stores you might recommend i visit. any of these > stores carry edp's for a good price (i'm looking to > pick up a second unit)? > > thanks. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 19:47:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12075; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:47:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:47:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: replacing and time slipping single tracks on Repeater Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:47:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c23047$c4f1fe00$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020720035123.00956100@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn that's fun- I use mono and just re-sample the original to copy it to other tracks- thanks for the tip! Cliff > -----Original Message----- > From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] > anyway, one really neat thing I was just doing was to use the replace > function to selectively create drop-outs in a stereo track by replacing > little bits of it with silence. Then, I'd select a single track of the > pair to time slip. You end up with a sort of uneven chopy track with a > panning delay effect. Then, if you add the original rhythm back in, you > can get some pretty wild accents due to the audio cuts and delaying. > Then if you reverse it all... lollollol!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 19:53:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12367; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:47:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:47:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hamnsoda@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.146d3ca5.2a6b505e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:46:38 EDT Subject: Line6 DL4 schematics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking to find the schematics for the line6 DL4 so I can modify the unit. Anyone have any leads? thanks, scott a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 20:19:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14946; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:18:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:18:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c2304b$13f37d00$0500a8c0@alfred.natoma964> From: "Zoe Keating" To: Cc: Subject: Y2K2 impressions (was 'my first loopmail post') Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:10:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C23010.671F26E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C23010.671F26E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's see, where to start? I think I came to the festival with the idea that looping machines were = just a means to an end, like pencils or something. In my case, I'm = trying to recreate pre-composed cello compositions. So I saw myself as = being somewhat forced to use this quirky equipment only because of a = lack of willing cello-puppets. I had a distinction in my head between = the cello as the instrument and the looping device as a subservient = tool. Very snobby and classical musician of me, I know... This is not news to any of you I'm sure, but during the festival I = realized that the looping device is an instrument that can be played in = unique and subtle ways (I also realized that I need to do some serious = practicing on this new instrument!). The performances I enjoyed the most = were those where the performer had complete mastery of his looping = "instrument" in addition to whatever other instruments he was playing. = And, in those performances a key thing happened for me: the looping = technology "disappeared" and it was all about music, which is where I = like to be in general... Enjoyed it all very much! Zo=EB To: =20 Subject: Re: Testing, my first loopmail post=20 From: "James Pokorny" =20 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:10:40 -0400=20 References: <008801c22e95$874bece0$0500a8c0@alfred.natoma964>=20 >It was great meeting many of you at Y2K2 and I really enjoyed=20 >all the performances . . . Hope to do it all again soon, until then,=20 >there is cyberspace. Welcome to loopland, Zo=EB! As a new list member I'm sure we'd all = like to hear your impressions of the Santa Cruz loopfest. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C23010.671F26E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let's see, where to = start?
 
I think I came to the festival with = the idea=20 that looping machines were just a means to an end, like pencils or = something. In=20 my case, I'm trying to recreate pre-composed cello compositions. So I = saw myself=20 as being somewhat forced to use this quirky equipment only because of a = lack of=20 willing cello-puppets. I had a distinction in my head between the cello = as the=20 instrument and the looping device as a subservient tool. Very snobby and = classical musician of me, I know...
 
This is not news to any of you I'm = sure, but=20 during the festival I realized that the looping device is an instrument = that can=20 be played in unique and subtle ways (I also realized that I need to do = some=20 serious practicing on this new instrument!). The performances I enjoyed = the most=20 were those where the performer had complete mastery of his looping=20 "instrument" in addition to whatever other instruments he was = playing.=20 And, in those performances a key thing happened for me:  = the looping technology "disappeared" = and it was=20 all about music, which is where I like to be in general...
 
Enjoyed it all very = much!
 
Zoë

      = To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>=20
      Subject: Re: Testing, my first = loopmail post=20
      From: "James Pokorny" = <j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net= >=20
      Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:10:40 -0400 =
      References: <008801c22= e95$874bece0$0500a8c0@alfred.natoma964>=20
 
 
 
 >It was great meeting many = of you at=20 Y2K2 and I really enjoyed
 >all the performances . . . Hope = to do it=20 all again soon, until then,
 >there is = cyberspace.
 
 Welcome to loopland, = Zoë!  As a=20 new list member I'm sure we'd all like to hear your impressions of the = Santa=20 Cruz loopfest.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C23010.671F26E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 21:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19400; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:23:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:23:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.130.110.5] From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:22:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2301A.5C582A40" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2002 01:22:14.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B876050:01C23055] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2301A.5C582A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, if you're a bit of a non-comformist, and want maximum control with = non-existent latency, check out www.starrlabs.com... on this list, both I= and Gary Lehmann have ztars. Cool stuff. Kevin I am sure this has come up . . . I have decided to allocate the funds I've been saving for an EDP for a =20 guitar synth. I have been getting more opportunities for commercial sound= =20 design and I thought it was time to try out a synth. I am hoping I can get it to control my software synths (mainly reaktor) b= ut =20 I was wondering if anyone had advice on which Roland unit was the best fo= r =20 tweaking and manipulating sounds within the unit. It is my understanding =20 that the VG-8 is primarily a modeler. I am very new to synths, and don't =20 really know what they offer. Maybe there is a different manufacturer I =20 should look into? Any takers? Nick Schillace In Door Park _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.comGet = more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2301A.5C582A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, if you'r= e a bit of a non-comformist, and want maximum control with non-existent l= atency, check out www.starrlabs= .com... on this list, both I and Gary Lehmann have ztars. Cool stuff.=
 
Kevin
 
I am sure this has come up . .= .

I have decided to allocate the funds I've been saving for an ED= P for a
guitar synth. I have been getting more opportunities for comm= ercial sound
design and I thought it was time to try out a synth.
=
I am hoping I can get it to control my software synths (mainly reakto= r) but
I was wondering if anyone had advice on which Roland unit was = the best for
tweaking and manipulating sounds within the unit. It is = my understanding
that the VG-8 is primarily a modeler. I am very new = to synths, and don't
really know what they offer. Maybe there is a di= fferent manufacturer I
should look into? Any takers?

Nick Schi= llace
In Door Park


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------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2301A.5C582A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 21:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19668; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:29:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c23030$6b414bc0$b24c3c04@dslverizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:34:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE: Gr-33/VG8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have had several guitar synth models and currently use the Gr30, which preceeded the GR-33. Although the newer model GR-33 has a slightly better sound engine and built in expression pedal, its internal arpeggiater does not sync to midi and the arpeggiater function is not programable like it is on the GR-30. This means you can't sync your Repeater or EDP or Jamman to it the GR-33.. The ability to write my own arpeggio patterns and sync them to my repeater has become like a second pair of hands to me. Also I am capable of creating complex synth rythmns that I could'nt possibly do with my hands due to the tracking lag time. This may not be an issue with you, but you might find a used GR-30 on ebay for cheap and test the waters of guitar synth, without too much investment. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 20 21:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20213; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:37:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c23024$5ad8f8c0$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: electrix repeater in tape op mag Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:33:40 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2302C.BB7B00D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2302C.BB7B00D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tape op magazine ran a review of the repeater in their latest issue, for = those who might care... "you can record and sequence easily via midi pedal or controller, but i = have heard of problems when attempting anything more complicated. from = what i gather from internet newsgroups and electrix, this will be ironed = out better in future software upgrades (available free online)" uh-huh...nice timing. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2302C.BB7B00D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
tape op magazine ran a review of the repeater in = their=20 latest issue, for those who might care...
 
"you can record and sequence easily via midi = pedal or=20 controller, but i have heard of problems when attempting anything more=20 complicated.  from what i gather from internet newsgroups and = electrix,=20 this will be ironed out better in future software upgrades (available = free=20 online)"
 
uh-huh...nice timing.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2302C.BB7B00D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 02:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02881; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:03:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Gr-33/VG8 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:48:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Well, if you're a bit of a non-comformist, and want maximum control with non-existent latency, check out www.starrlabs.com... on this list, both I and Gary Lehmann have ztars. Cool stuff. Kevin =========================================================================== And if you have a hefty budget...but they look awfully amazing, and I'll bet deliver the goods, in terms of rivalling a midi keyboard for precision control. I find the main strength of my midi axes GK2/Strat and Godin ACS to be the fact they are nice sounding and playable guitars on their own (esp the ACS), with 3 way switch going from dry/mix/synth only. The 'organic' sound and feel of the strings, along with synths/VG8 really allows for a vast tonal palette. I find the latency on the GR33 to be 'workable'--I get used to playing a little ahead and/or programming patches with a long enough attack to 'work around' the wee bit of latency... That said, for the Toyata Tercel crowd:-: is the current rev of the Axon that much better than the GR series latency-wise? I had one of the first Axon units and found it to be inscrutable, and not that much better than the GR30, latency-wise. NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 03:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06588; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:24:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:24:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c23054$f41d9240$05f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:21:33 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the axon, i believe, can convert after 1/2 of a cycle of each frequency. so, for 50Hz, it takes 1/100th of a second...i think my math is right. please correct me if it's not. the roland units probably take at least a cycle or two for the frequency to register. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 03:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06307; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:23:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:23:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:22:45 -0800 Subject: Re: replacing and time slipping single tracks on Repeater From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c23047$c4f1fe00$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Damn that's fun- I use mono and just re-sample the original to copy it > to other tracks- thanks for the tip! > > Cliff 'ello 'ello-did someone say ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 03:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07987; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:58:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3A69E5.BC2766@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:59:45 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8/Photon References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody interested in the king of unique, but unfortunately dinosauric, MIDI guitar controllers: The Photon ! I've got one of the original units made by K-Muse before Gibson bought the technology and let it die. (but not before John McLaughlin had 'em make him a custom version that he uses on a nylon axe) (and Calos Alomar of Bowie fame used one) Great idea.... infrared light beams broken by string vibrations count the frequency and amplitude... I created a custom guitar with the hyperspeed version - all B strings; the Photon does the proper transposing to your liking..... The tracking speed is about with the Roland units, but the glitching is kinda high....though manageable. And it could be tough to set up the strings perfectly in line with the light beams.... But it is cooool.... I'm waiting for Axon to get better reviews or someone else to jump on their technology... Yamaha licensed their stuff and put out a simpler box a couple of years ago... I haven't heard much feedback about it.... Anybody else ? -- gary @friendlyspider.com > > That said, for the Toyata Tercel crowd:-: is the current rev of the Axon > that much better than the GR series latency-wise? I had one of the first > Axon units and found it to be inscrutable, and not that much better than the > GR30, latency-wise. > > NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 05:14:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17642; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Guitar Type Controller Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:12:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c23096$cfac5300$6fd6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nick Schillace wrote: > > > > guitar synth is pretty limited compared to a keyboard > > synth...which is exactly why i haven't bought one yet. > > So am I kidding myself if I think a guitar synth will control some hardware/software synths effectively? I understand the limits of midi guitar in general, but I really do not like playing on a keyboard. I feel much more creative with the guitar. N.Schillace I gotta say--make sure you aren't wanting to play guitar with synthesizer sounds. Pitch to voltage works ok for that, but you gotta put up with the glitches--and forget about the bottom string. If you truly want to control a synthesizer with a guitar type interface, the Ztar is hard to beat. For its price range there's really nothing else--it's like a working man's SynthAxe. Harvey is now shipping a new operating system with all kinds of new features, including an onboard looping sequencer, complete fretboard remapping (handy for drum kits) and (finally!) MIDI input, so you can trigger all the onboard sensors from another controller. the reason it works so well is the neck doesn't have strings--it's all switches (little buttons) so there's no latency at all. Just don't try to play blues guitar (although, Harvey was telling me something about Gigastudio with a National Guitar sample and Mode 4--what the heck is mode 4?). It's really a synthesizer controller--if you can play guitar and want to make that sound, it makes sense to do it on a real guitar. OTOH, there's lots of optional controller stuff he puts on the Ztar (he practically custom builds each one--no two alike)--volume pots (just saw a model with 7 of 'em), sustain pedal, ribbon controllers, breath control, joysticks, electronic whammy bar, those pads he's got all over the thing, not to mention string triggers AND pad type triggers to play the "strings" (I don't have these on mine, so I can't play the open "string"), so if you're talking about modifying the sound of a synth, all those things make it possible to do so. He even puts a USB port in the damn thing if you want. Peter Einhorn is also on this list--he plays Ztar (he's on the demo). And Jon El-Bizri has a Mini-Z that I want to buy when I get the scoot (I really need it for two handed playing!). All that being said, what about the Parker Fly? How does it track? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 05:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18748; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:40:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:40:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Guitar Type Controller Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:39:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2309a$892cb2e0$b7d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c23096$cfac5300$6fd6f343@gary> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7VFREB.A.hkE.eFoO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mode 4--what the heck is mode 4?). http://www.northwestern.edu/musicschool/links/projects/midi/pages/midichmd.h tml Thought I'd beat Richard to the punch. Mode 4 - Omni-Off Mono - The MIDI device will listen to all incoming channel data but only responds to information set to one particular channel. It will only play one note at any given moment. A typical use for this mode is a MIDI Guitar Controller, where each string of the guitar is assigned to a separate MIDI channel and each string will play only one note at a time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 05:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19324; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:52:21 +0200 Subject: Removal of cranium from rectum.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c23096$cfac5300$6fd6f343@gary> Message-Id: <8CD4A748-9C8F-11D6-9F46-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've been sucked out from the internet by the new studio over the past couple of days... but thought that I'd post this to let you know of a few changes in my beliefs and ideas when it comes to looping. It was only a week or two ago when I told you about my 'rule' about not changing loops once they are recorded.... Well, I thought to myself...'Why?'.... and to be quite honest, I could not come up with an answer other than just 'Because'.... Maybe its because I have been limited with using a DL4 for so long. The unit that I used created my rules. So, at the music shop yesterday, I purchased an Edirol UA-5 (for the sound - amazing quality), Behringer Ultrapatch pro patch-bay ($75 new - 48 point 4/Way patch bay) and a Midiman 25 key midi keyboard, and plugged everything in to the Repeater. I've re-routed everything through the patchbay so that I can plug in floor effects and also rewire the studio quickly from the front without pulling everything apart. Yesterday, I was changing the pitch of the loops with the keyboard, and also using the computer as a sampler, introducing choir, brass and percussion to my loops. Although I dont know my VF1 effects unit that well, I was inserting delays/flanger etc. into the effects chain of the repeater, and altering recorded loops. Then, for the first time, I was bouncing samples from the Repeater straight into Live!, and mucking around with them in there whilst being able to record new loops on the Repeater.... .... In other words, in one afternoon, I have broken all my rules. It was great. I have now officially removed my head from my backside and lifted the veil of self-imposed limitations. Its great! :) ....rules are meant to be broken I suppose.... -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 05:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19518; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:58:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:57:31 +0200 Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater CFCs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020720151108.00a4e100@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: <461C9401-9C90-11D6-9F46-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA19491 Resent-Message-ID: <-1IhD.A.ywE.rWoO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I'd suggest is to take the Repeater, a microphone, and a small pair of headphones into the shop, and physically try the CFC's.... Any shop worth its salt would have no problems allowing you to do this. Whilst I'm still using the original 32Meg CFC that came with the unit (I dont need more for the moment), I know other people who have wasted small fortunes on useless 256/512 Meg CFC's. Electrix recommend Simpletech, but from reading about other people's experiences, not all of their cards work. Its a bit like a lottery. So, take the unit into a store, try the cards (recording on Stereo of course - more work for the CFC's)... try multiplying tracks, undoing, etc. etc. and see if you have any probs. If not, purchase the card :) Good luck... On Saturday, July 20, 2002, at 11:11 PM, Goddess wrote: > Please respond on-list, since I'm also interested in this > info > as well. Thanks bunches... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 05:44 PM 7/20/02 +0200, you wrote: >> Hi, I´ve been off for a while, and searching the archives didn´t >> help >> me any further. Does anybody on this list have experiences as to which >> large CFCs can be used with the Repeater? I´d like to have maximum >> loop >> time available so I´m primarily interested in cards that have 256 or >> 512 >> mB. Please respond off-list if I´m wasting bandwidth. Thanks, >> Stephen. > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 06:51:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22404; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:51:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <96.29a63342.2a6bebd8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:50:00 EDT Subject: Re: Direction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the phrase "hairwash in the shower" is palindromic (sort of). try it! Somewhere I have a list which came with a cheap sampler toy called a Yak backwards. (cheap mic/speaker/sampler with reverse and speed control, v.lofi) Lots of phrases that were either audio-palindromic or came out as a different intelligible phrase. (though most of them seemed not to work without a lot of imagination) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 06:53:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22568; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:53:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:53:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c230a4$8d6288d0$742993d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:51:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Err I think the Gr30 does not send midi clock you can set it to slave its tempo to midi clock or this may be a goood surprise (didnt check) Claude William > I have had several guitar synth models and currently use the Gr30, which > preceeded the GR-33. Although the newer model GR-33 has a slightly better > sound engine and built in expression pedal, its internal arpeggiater does > not sync to midi and the arpeggiater function is not programable like it is > on the GR-30. This means you can't sync your Repeater or EDP or Jamman to > it the GR-33.. The ability to write my own arpeggio patterns and sync > them to my repeater has become like a second pair of hands to me. Also I am > capable of creating complex synth rythmns that I could'nt possibly do with > my hands due to the tracking lag time. This may not be an issue with you, > but you might find a used GR-30 on ebay for cheap and test the waters of > guitar synth, without too much investment. > Bill > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 07:05:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24170; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:05:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:05:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: replacing and time slipping single tracks on Repeater Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 04:05:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c230a6$85439b60$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya- mono indeed- Rptr is competing for auxes- I only have 6- :) (Mo-Fx takes 2, M-One, EDP, Filter Factory, Rptr) Here is where it get's really interesting: be sure and try any divisions that also include values of .25, .50, .75 - yeah! Pan those tracks hard right and left- wanna hear what can be done in about 2 minutes? Try here- http://www.om-studios.com/Audio/ArtandSound/om-studios/RptrBeats.mp3 Beat from ES-1, then Rptr track 1, tracks 2 and 3 both same pan, track 4 then all 4 Rptr tracks- nifty! Cliff > 'ello 'ello-did someone say ? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 10:36:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00642; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019901c230c2$d375da20$6de65cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #278 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:27:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #278 July 28, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at midnight was "Midnight Rainbows" on the Deep Sky label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Aqua" by Edgar Froese on the Brain label. Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Edgar Froese Upland Aqua (Brain) Bjorn Lynne Messages Colony (none) Mark Jenkins Weaponised Strain 11966 Sequencer Loops (AMP) Mark Jenkins Peace Machine Sequencer Loops (AMP) Artemiy Artemiev and Part I Transfiguration (ElectroShock) Peter Frohmader Paul Ellis and Sands of Time Live at the Alladin (none) Steve Roach VA [Steve Roach] New Planet Passage * The Gatherings (Synkronos) 12:00 am Robert Carty Near That Place Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Viscosity Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Goyaba Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Resonant Imaging Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Lodestone Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Windswept Vista Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Tending the Flame * Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Robert Carty. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Source" on the Deep Sky label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Heaven and Hell" by Vangelis on the RCA label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 10:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01262; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c230c5$94cc4220$c8a95e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: References: Subject: Re: good music stores in san francisco Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:47:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA01110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i'm going to be in san francisco at the beginning of > august and would like to know which musical instrument > stores you might recommend i visit. any of these >stores carry edp's No EDPs or any other loopers, but Clarion Music in SF's Chinatown is worth a visit for their large selection of non-mainstream musical instruments. They have the largest selection of digeridus I've ever seen in one place, as well as many traditional Chinese instruments, including some very rare lutes and fiddles from the Uyghur, Kazakh and Kirghiz peoples of Central Asia. http://www.clarionmusic.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 11:45:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05152; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017e01c230cd$d94c9960$d6524ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <96.29a63342.2a6bebd8@aol.com> Subject: Re: Direction Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:46:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Somewhere I have a list which came with > a cheap sampler toy called a Yak backwards. > (cheap mic/speaker/sampler with reverse and speed control, v.lofi) > Lots of phrases that were either audio-palindromic > or came out as a different intelligible phrase. > (though most of them seemed not to work without > a lot of imagination) Rick Walker uses a lot of these little $5 samplers in various tunes of his - there are some very cool effects that can be gleaned if you have the time to play with them, and the kind of messed up head that Rick clearly has... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 12:00:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07140; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:00:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:00:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <73.22d2b06e.2a6c3448@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:59:04 EDT Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, FWIW, I just thought I'd pop in here with a comment or two about my own experiences with guitar synths. Though I've owned only one (a Roland GR-1) I have played nearly all of the Roland products going back to the very beginning. Like some of the current postees I had hoped for minimal latency and great tracking before I'd put down hard cash on the line. I got neither (really) but found out that -- to a great degree -- it (nearly glitch-free performance) depends upon a couple of things mostly: proper installation and setup of the hex pickup (GK-2, GK-2A) and discipline in applying a little cleaner than usual playing technique. Both can be a pain in the backside. However, you might be surprised at how much difference it makes. Many of the things that I'd originally gotten into MIDI guitar for I have never actually used. I'd hoped to use it to play improv pieces into a computer and create written scores from the MIDI files. It never happened. I'd hoped that having access to good approximations of other traditional instrument sounds might enable me to fill other musical roles. But a grand piano sound (no matter good) played by a guitar still sounds like just that -- generally. There are idiomatic guitar playing techniques that stick out like a sore thumb when the sound is another instrument. And there are idiomatic techniques for those other instruments that one really must learn something about in order to be even modestly convincing. Over time I have learned to do this to some degree . . . but I mostly don't even bother anymore. I have more or less settled on the idea that the guitar is my primary instrument and have learned to like the sound I am getting. I still use some synth to "thicken" that sound a little (every now and then) . . . or (more often) I use a patch that is a pretty close functional replica of an acoustic guitar (or fretless bass) to double my electric sound. But, I almost NEVER play only the synth engine any more by itself -- unless we are talking about pads and large washes of sound (something that guitar synths do quite well without even trying. After nearly a decade of struggling with this hybrid mongrel of an instrument I have been definitely left dissatisfied with regard to what I'd originally intended to achieve with it. I still use the thing and have SOME attachments to it's quirky/difficult capabilities. But the honeymoon is long over. More attractive to me are the COSM modeling capabilities of the VG-88 and it's ilk. I am not quite ready to plunk down my money again yet . . . but prices have com waaaaay down. It's tempting. I have a keyboard synth that can do the other stuff better than the guitar synth (even though I am quite ham-fisted at keys). Sometimes all I use the GR-1 for is as a pedal controller for my rack gear any more. I think I might be better served to go back to the old X-15 "Ultrafoot" for that function. Maybe . . . maybe not. It's something to think about anyway. Cheers, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 12:35:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08569; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:34:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:34:11 -0500 Subject: Re: good music stores in san francisco Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Clarion Music in SF's Chinatown is worth a visit for their large selection of non-mainstream musical instruments." now we're talking...this is definitely on my list of places to go. let's see, i'll just write it down right after "guitar center" where i go to ask the employees semi-difficult questions just to see the look on their face...ok, done. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 13:11:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11274; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:11:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:11:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:16:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Gr-33/VG8 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <73.22d2b06e.2a6c3448@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not played the more modern guitar synth controllers, but I have owned both a Roland GR-500 and an Ibanez MIDI guitar. I did some interesting things with each of them, but I found myself driven back to straight guitar because of a weird feeling of disconnect with my playing. That was probably partially a latency issue but probably also something about expressiveness or lack thereof. Bear in mind that I am far from a speedy player. I also haven't developed lots of subtle nuances in my playing (though I hope I've got some). I also don't have a feeling that I need to hear a "guitar sound" when I play a note since I've at times gone in for fairly heavy processing to the point where people less familiar with what you can do to an electric guitar ask me what instrument they are listening to. What I think I'd like right now is something that fed a hex pickup into a six way fuzz (I'm partial to Line6's Big Muff emulation these days) and then fed those signals through six low-pass filters set with their frequencies offset based on guitar tuning but being driven from a single expression pedal to do the sweep. If I wanted to get fancy, I'd throw in some envelope generators. My idea here is that this would allow me to do something similar to my current sound but do so polyphonically. I think this is actually moderately close to the architecture of the GR-100 or GR-300. Does anyone know? Does anyone know of a more modern box that does something like this? Is something like this buried in the VG88? The Boss wave generator was a real disappointment. An option without resorting to the hex pickup might be something like the PAiA Quadrafuzz. It's been a long time, however, since I've done any soldering. Getting back to guitar synths, I have to admit that there were things about the GR-500 that I liked. My favorite may have been the effect when it lost pitch tracking and the note would wander off in strange ways as the sound died out. This, however, was never reliably triggerable so it was just a "happy" accident when it occurred. Mark P.S. As I noted to Tom Heasley, listening to his performance made me want to go find a set of Moog Taurus pedals so that I could throw in the occasional thunderous low drone. I figure there isn't a way for me to incorporate a tuba into my guitar playing -- and I don't have the lung capacity -- but those low notes hit one in a really wonderful way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 13:53:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13016; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:52:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Guitar Type Controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c2309a$892cb2e0$b7d6f343@gary> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So here's my feelings about midi guitar controllers based on the GK-2a pickup. They can be be good, or not so good, depending on the setup and guitar. I first put it on a G&L Skyhawk (strat style) and it tracked OK. I later put it on my M series Steinberger, and it worked a LOT better. Neither time was bad, but I do see better tracking with the Steinberger. So, my feeling is a "Les Paul" style guitar is probably going to work better than a Stratocaster. Also, I don't know about the GR-33, but the GR-30 is leaps and bounds over anything I've played before. I've had a Yamaha MIDI guitar, and a Casio MIDI guitar, and let me tell you, they SUCKED in comparison. So technology has come a way in the last few years. SO, is there latency? Yup. Mostly noticeable on the lower strings, due to longer note cycle time. Is it bad? Not really, IMO. What I do is if I want a bass sound, I bring the octave down and play notes higher. Works like a charm. So, I say go for it. Especially if you're going for an Axion box, which is better than what I have. The GR-30 seems to track my bends and hammer ons almost flawlessly. I think you'll be happy, but remember, setup and guitar is very important. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 14:09:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15070; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:09:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:09:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Guitar Type Controller Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:08:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c230e1$a306c560$d007f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Mark Sottilaro sez: The GR-30 seems to track my bends and hammer ons almost flawlessly. This is a GOOD thing! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 14:36:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16088; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:36:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:36:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <49.20bc9d4e.2a6c58bd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:34:37 EDT Subject: Re: Removal of cranium from rectum.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stuart@solostring.com writes: >....rules are meant to be broken I suppose.... ..... maybe there were no rules, to begin with..... best, dt / splattercell ps: if you're now using a computer sequencer w/your repeater --- and, btw, congrats on the re-pitching discovery --- i'm sure you'll find some value in using the computer to *sequence* repeater's various other midi-commands..... re-start, reverse, pitch (by track, or otherwise), slip, tempo, mix, etc etc whatever..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 14:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16619; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:47:41 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good music stores in san francisco In-Reply-To: <000d01c230c5$94cc4220$c8a95e0c@u73x0> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yOn Sun, 21 Jul 2002, James Pokorny wrote: > > i'm going to be in san francisco at the beginning of > > august and would like to know which musical instrument > > stores you might recommend i visit. any of these > >stores carry edp's Lark in the Morning? No EDPs, but they do carry theremins and an amazing array of world music instruments. main website http://www.larkinthemorning.com/ SF location http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/musiiqueshoppeSF Steve -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 14:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16979; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:48:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:48:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:51:19 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good music stores in san francisco In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, James Pokorny wrote: [snip] Sorry, James didn't write the request, but replied with a nice link to Clarion Music. My bad. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 14:49:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17298; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.40.166.7] From: "juan darkness" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: space station xp300 eprom Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:47:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2002 18:47:55.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[20012600:01C230E7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, does anyone have one of these and an eprom reader?i burnt mine,and can`t find a replacement prom here in Uruguay,we don`t have a service center for digitech... if someone can read the eprom,it's a 27c256,and mail me the image ... Thanks!!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Charle con sus amigos online usando MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 14:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19017; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:59:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:59:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022301c230e8$c262dc80$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Guitar Type Controller Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:58:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Mark Sottilaro" put forth: > So here's my feelings about midi guitar controllers based on the GK-2a > pickup. They can be be good, or not so good, depending on the setup and > guitar. I first put it on a G&L Skyhawk (strat style) and it tracked > OK. I later put it on my M series Steinberger, and it worked a LOT > better. Neither time was bad, but I do see better tracking with the > Steinberger. So, my feeling is a "Les Paul" style guitar is probably > going to work better than a Stratocaster. The big question is why, though? Would this be in the same territory as an E-Bow working just fine on some acoustic steel-strings, and not others? Perhaps a resonance-to-response ratio to be figured? I remember reading an interview with Andy Summers and Robert Fripp around the time their first collaboration came out; and they discussed the Roland GR MIDI interface use - Both of them said that the delays in response were noticeable and required a different kind of playing to really be what they thought it should be. It was agreed that, for the washes and such, it was fine - but the moment one started picking, it'd fall apart. I notice your mention of the latency as well. Is this still the case, then? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 15:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20173; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:29:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:29:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:24:49 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Gr-33/VG8 In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:34 PM -0700 7/20/02, William R. Walker, wrote: >Although the newer model GR-33 has a slightly better sound engine >and built in expression pedal, its internal arpeggiater does not >sync to midi and the arpeggiater function is not programable like it >is on the GR-30. At 12:51 PM +0200 7/21/02, Claude Voit wrote: >I think the Gr30 does not send midi clock you can set it to slave >its tempo to midi clock According to a posting on the GR-30 Yahoo list, page 75 of the manual states that the GR-30 outputs MIDI clock, but this is incorrect. Here are some GR-30 resources: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GR-30/ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/6226/gr30.html http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Roland/GR_30_Guitar_Synthesizer-01.html http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Roland/GR_33-01.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 16:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23218; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: deadtech guitar synth help Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:11:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2002 20:11:26.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[CABD07C0:01C230F2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks! Well with all the talk about guitar synths, I thought this might be a good point to throw this request out there. I am looking for information on a long defunct British brand/company called Top Gear (circa 75/'76/’77). They made stompboxes mainly,... I think. I have a prototype,1-of-a-kind guitar synth called the TG-55 - the chassis has the number 001 etched into it, if memory serves. It consists of fuzz, compression, top boost, cycler, attack filter, envelope shaper, reverb and four tracking oscillators with a pitch to voltage converter. You can plug any guitar into it - no special pick-up. It is a dinosaur beyond belief and is so rude sounding. It's good for big ugly duck sounds mostly. IMHO, It's a special artifact of deadtech beauty. Alas, there are no schematics. The whole unit still (barely) works, but talk about glitch and noise - it is the king in that regard. The pitch to voltage converter is encased in a block of epoxy ....and still works after all these years to my surprise. Great and noisy fuzz with octavia setting - not working at this time. I’ve searched for info high and low on the net periodically over the last year and have come up with nothing so far. If still alive, I’d love to find the folks who made this oddity or someone who worked for the co. I’ll be posting a photo on my website in the near future. I also plan to make a series of recordings with it and my loopers - DL4 and 'Rang. So far, I have only used it for a bed drone on a track off my CD. So, I realize this is a long shot, ....it's ancient history tech-wise and way-obscure but if anyone has ideas or comments, drop me a line. Otherwise, I hope some of you may just appreciate the story of a very unique, terribly flawed and weird little beastie of a thing. Thanks, Terry www.anomalousdisturbances.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 16:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24465; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:33:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D38E9A5.72AFDB86@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <2CC104F6-9CE9-11D6-A003-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RIGHT. I totally agree with your point. I think it's in a lot of our (I know mine!) natures to want to explore our gear to it's "n'th" degree, and at a point, it can become "gear wanking." I remember buying Adrian Belew's "Desire Caught by the Tail" and thinking, "Oh, Adrian's got a new guitar synth and he recorded his gear wanking." In an interview, he totally said just that. Some tracks I felt musically held up, but many seemed academic. I think Zappa did that at times as well. Can you play G-Spot Tornado while you're cruising around town? Probably not, as it's more a "sit down and appreciate it" kind of deal that I think is mainly appreciated by other musicians. It's still totally valid, and it must be done to "push the envelope" but, as Andre said, "...enough fooling around. It's time to get your act together." BTW, I bought Andre's Turntableist Guitar at the Santa Cruz Loopfest, and I feel it's amazing! Andre, is that the result of you "getting your act together"? If it is, you're totally successful! Great listening fun! Oh, and if you wonder what indigenous tribes from all over the world would sound like if they were trapped in a Toys R Us, pick up Rick Walker's Dayglow Green Plastic too, very interesting stuff. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 19, 2002, at 09:40 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > And I have to say that seeing Matthias (and Amy X the next morning) do > their stuff up close was a serious learning experience for me. They > definitely inspired me to stop thinking that I had to constantly slice > and warp the loops every time they were in danger of (shock! horror!) > repeating a few times. Seeing how stunningly well Matthias and Amy were > able to use repetition in very musical, attention-grabbing ways was > tremendously educational. I drove home from Oakland that day thinking, > "OK, Andre, enough fooling around. It's time to get your act together > with this stuff." > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 17:01:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27197; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stations@cinci.rr.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:07:24 -0400 Subject: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3110116044_152113_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3110116044_152113_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Kim, Thanks for trying to help. You have been most kind. I am still having no luck, so I am posting this to this whole list like you suggested. Can anyone on the list tell me how to set up the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller to work with the echoplex? I can't get it to change anything at all on the echoplex. I changed the note numbers like you suggested to what is below, but still nothing is working. Here is how I set up the Behringer: (what note I set the behringer to send for each) I set the Global midi to ch #1 Footswitch #1 = record note 8 Footswitch #2 = overdub note 39 Footswitch #3 = reverse note 49 Footswitch #4 = 1/2 speed note 48 Footswitch #5 = substitute note 46 Footswitch #6 = multiply note 40 Footswitch #7 = insert note 41 Footswitch #8 = mute note 42 Footswitch #9 = undo note 42 Footswitch #10 = next loop note 44 ______________________________________________ Here is how I have the echoplex midi set up (is this correct?): channel = *1 control source + not source # = 36 vol cont = 7 feedback control = 1 __________________________________________________________________________ Here is a link where you can download the fill Behringer FCB 1010 manual. http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=fcb1010&lang=eng I still cannot get it to change anything at all on the echoplex. __________________________________________________________________________ > As another user explained to me, there is a calibration procedure needed > for pedals that is explained on the Behringer website. (not in the manual > apparently) I went to the Behringer site but couldn't find this. Do you know exactly where this is explained? Do you think this calibration thing could be the problem? __________________________________________________________________________ I searched the Loop archives for Behringer FCB1010 midi controller. All the posts I found talked about using it with the Repeater and none about how to set it up and use it with the echoplex. ____________________________________________________________________________ Thanks for the links. I'd already searched through all the links you sent though and found nothing to help this particular problem. (I was up all night last night looking through them). (some real good other info was there though) ___________________________________________________________________________ Any other suggestions? (I am going to join the list and see if anyone can help like you suggested.) ____________________________________________________________________________ I have a suggestion for you. Could you guys make a midi pedal just for the echoplex? You could have it set from the factory to to everything (in non erasable memory). Have how ever many banks you need to, set up from the factory to do all of the most useful things. Then you could also have ways to create your own banks with custom settings as well. I bet uou'd sell one to every one who has an echoplex. ____________________________________________________________________________ Another suggestion. Seeing how the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller seems to be the only one you can find readily in stores right now, and it is only $129, it seems like a lot of echoplex users may get one. (assuming they work) It makes no sense to suggest for people to try and find midi controllers that are no longer in production. (even if they are better) There has to be a midi controller that is reasonably priced, readily available, and easy to set up and use with the echoplex. As a midi controller greatly adds to what the echoplex can do, I think it would be worth your time to eventually put up detailed on how to set up the FCB1010 midi controller to work with the echoplex. ___________________________________________________________________________ All the very best! Terry --MS_Mac_OE_3110116044_152113_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Hi Kim,

Thanks for trying to help. You have been most kind.

I am still having no luck, so I am posting this to this whole list like you= suggested.

Can anyone on the list tell me how to set up the Behringer FCB1010 midi foo= t controller to work with the echoplex? I can't get it to change anything at= all on the echoplex.

I changed the note numbers like you suggested to what is below, but still n= othing is working.

Here is how I set up the Behringer: (what note I
set the behringer to send for each)

I set the Global midi to ch #1

Footswitch #1 =3D record         &nbs= p; note 8

Footswitch #2 =3D overdub         &nb= sp;note 39

Footswitch #3 =3D reverse         &nb= sp;note 49

Footswitch #4 =3D 1/2 speed        note 48=

Footswitch #5 =3D substitute       note 46

Footswitch #6 =3D multiply         no= te 40

Footswitch #7 =3D insert         &nbs= p; note 41

Footswitch #8 =3D mute          =    note 42

Footswitch #9 =3D undo          =    note 42

Footswitch #10 =3D next loop       note 44

______________________________________________

Here is how I have the echoplex midi set up (is this correct?):

channel =3D *1

control source + not

source # =3D 36

vol cont =3D 7

feedback control =3D 1

__________________________________________________________________________<= BR>
Here is a link where you can download the fill Behringer FCB 1010 manual.
http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=3Dfcb1010&lang=3Deng<= BR>
I still cannot get it to change anything at all on the echoplex.

__________________________________________________________________________<= BR>
> As another user explained to me, there is a calibration procedure need= ed
> for pedals that is explained on the Behringer website. (not in the man= ual
> apparently)

I went to the Behringer site but couldn't find this. Do you know exactly wh= ere this is explained?  Do you think this calibration thing could be th= e problem?

__________________________________________________________________________<= BR>
I searched the Loop archives for Behringer FCB1010 midi controller. All the= posts I found talked about using it with the Repeater and none about how to= set it up and use it with the echoplex.

___________________________________________________________________________= _

Thanks for the links. I'd already searched through all the links you sent t= hough and found nothing to help this particular problem. (I was up all night= last night looking through them).

(some real good other info was there though)

___________________________________________________________________________=

Any other suggestions?

(I am going to join the list and see if anyone can help like you suggested.= )

___________________________________________________________________________= _

I have a suggestion for you.  Could you guys make a midi pedal just fo= r the echoplex? You could have it set from the factory to to everything (in = non erasable memory). Have how ever many banks you need to, set up from the = factory to do all of the most useful things.

Then you could also have ways to create your own banks with custom settings= as well.

I bet uou'd sell one to every one who has an echoplex.

___________________________________________________________________________= _

Another suggestion. Seeing how the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller seems = to be the only one you can find readily in stores right now, and it is only = $129, it seems like a lot of echoplex users may get one. (assuming they work= )

It makes no sense to suggest for people to try and find midi controllers th= at are no longer in production. (even if they are better)

There has to be a midi controller that is reasonably priced, readily availa= ble, and easy to set up and use with the echoplex.

As a midi controller greatly adds to what the echoplex can do, I think it w= ould be worth your time to eventually put up detailed on how to set up the F= CB1010 midi controller to work with the echoplex.

___________________________________________________________________________=

All the very best!

Terry

 --MS_Mac_OE_3110116044_152113_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 17:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28783; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:25:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:25:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:28:50 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002601c230fd$9b7217c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2CC104F6-9CE9-11D6-A003-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_mvpDC.A.k_G.MayO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > Some tracks I felt musically held > up, but many seemed academic. I think Zappa did that at times as well. > Can you play G-Spot Tornado while you're cruising around town? Probably > not, as it's more a "sit down and appreciate it" kind of deal that I > think is mainly appreciated by other musicians. I have no problem with playing Jazz From Hell while driving. One of my fave Zappa discs. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 18:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32585; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:17:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Footswitch #1 = record note 8 so this is sending note# 44, correct? 36 + 8... the same applies to the following. the notes you're sending should all be X in the equation 36 + X = whichever function you're wanting to trigger. >Footswitch #2 = overdub note 39 > >Footswitch #3 = reverse note 49 > >Footswitch #4 = 1/2 speed note 48 > >Footswitch #5 = substitute note 46 > >Footswitch #6 = multiply note 40 > >Footswitch #7 = insert note 41 > >Footswitch #8 = mute note 42 > >Footswitch #9 = undo note 42 > >Footswitch #10 = next loop note 44 > >______________________________________________ > >Here is how I have the echoplex midi set up (is this correct?): > >channel = *1 > >control source + not try using cont instead of not >source # = 36 > >vol cont = 7 > >feedback control = 1 check page 11 of the fcb manual and make sure "note" is selected. i think using control changes might be a touch easier. that's what i use with my all access and it's a breeze to configure. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 18:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01154; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:35:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c23106$f45b8ac0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <2CC104F6-9CE9-11D6-A003-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:35:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 21:33 PM Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect > RIGHT. I totally agree with your point. I think it's in a lot of our > (I know mine!) natures to want to explore our gear to it's "n'th" > degree, and at a point, it can become "gear wanking." I remember buying > Adrian Belew's "Desire Caught by the Tail" and thinking, "Oh, Adrian's > got a new guitar synth and he recorded his gear wanking." In an > interview, he totally said just that. Some tracks I felt musically held > up, but many seemed academic. I think Zappa did that at times as well. > Can you play G-Spot Tornado while you're cruising around town? Probably > not, as it's more a "sit down and appreciate it" kind of deal that I > think is mainly appreciated by other musicians. It's still totally > valid, and it must be done to "push the envelope" but, as Andre said, > "...enough fooling around. It's time to get your act together." Actually I found "G-Spot Tornado" and other songs from "Jazz from Hell" to be wonderful accompaniment for playing Quake. :) It didn't carve down the knowledge that this was Frank's "Synclavier" album, and I understood the idea of putting such pieces in a single collection; but it didn't change how much I enjoy the music on the album. I wondered at the time I read about it whether ol' FZ was making a comment about the gear-prone nature of musicians in a technical age, but I also had the impression that he had a lot of fun putting JFH together. (Still pinin' for the West Coast) Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 19:00:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03586; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020721165015.00805190@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:50:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater CFCs? In-Reply-To: <461C9401-9C90-11D6-9F46-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20020720151108.00a4e100@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA03527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, thanks so much... Smiles, CQ P.S. -Glad to see you're finding new horizons with your new musical ideas!... At 11:57 AM 7/21/02 +0200, you wrote: >What I'd suggest is to take the Repeater, a microphone, and a small pair >of headphones into the shop, and physically try the CFC's.... Any shop >worth its salt would have no problems allowing you to do this. Whilst >I'm still using the original 32Meg CFC that came with the unit (I dont >need more for the moment), I know other people who have wasted small >fortunes on useless 256/512 Meg CFC's. > >Electrix recommend Simpletech, but from reading about other people's >experiences, not all of their cards work. Its a bit like a lottery. > >So, take the unit into a store, try the cards (recording on Stereo of >course - more work for the CFC's)... try multiplying tracks, undoing, >etc. etc. and see if you have any probs. If not, purchase the card :) > >Good luck... > > >On Saturday, July 20, 2002, at 11:11 PM, Goddess wrote: > >> Please respond on-list, since I'm also interested in this >> info >> as well. Thanks bunches... >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 05:44 PM 7/20/02 +0200, you wrote: >>> Hi, I´ve been off for a while, and searching the archives didn´t >>> help >>> me any further. Does anybody on this list have experiences as to which >>> large CFCs can be used with the Repeater? I´d like to have maximum >>> loop >>> time available so I´m primarily interested in cards that have 256 or >>> 512 >>> mB. Please respond off-list if I´m wasting bandwidth. Thanks, >>> Stephen. >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >> eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> >> >> >-- >Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project >http://www.solostring.com >stuart@solostring.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 19:01:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03596; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:00:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:00:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020721170055.007ff100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:00:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: space station xp300 eprom In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5qCBjD.A.y3.5zzO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have an eprom, but am curious, since I do have a Space Station, what is it? lol! Is this a new version of the SS software? Thanks bunches... Smiles, G-Girl At 06:47 PM 7/21/02 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi, >does anyone have one of these and an eprom reader?i burnt mine,and can`t >find a replacement prom here in Uruguay,we don`t have a service center for >digitech... >if someone can read the eprom,it's a 27c256,and mail me the image ... >Thanks!!!!!!!! > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Charle con sus amigos online usando MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 19:12:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04649; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020721171122.0079ada0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:11:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Loop strategies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4Hc7tC.A.YFB.Y-zO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com William, that's funny, I'm doing this very thing right now for material for the first Women's Looping Festival! -Reverse speak, I mean... -Go figure... lol!, the laughing guitars sound absolutely hilarious! Where can I hear them? -I also mimic my voice from time to time, -it cracks up students... lol! Laters, G-Girl At 10:48 AM 7/20/02 -0700, you wrote: >About a year ago I was working on a solo CD by my good friend George Perry. >George is a brilliant musician and writer who always challenges me in >creative ways. On one particular tune, he wanted a chorus of laughing >guitars. We decided to eschew the traditional use of a wah pedal, and got >creative with a jamman. We realized that laughter has an almost saw >tooth-like wave characteristic with a short rise and rapid fall time. To >mimic his particular laughter I first sampled a bit of his laughter into >the jamman. I then reversed the track, and proceeded to learn the cadence >of his laughter played backwards. Then I did my best to duplicate this >cadence on guitar, and the final step was to record and reverse the guitar >track so as to mimic not only the direction of his laughter, but also the >sawtooth-like characteristic of his laughter. We did this a half dozen >times on different guitars (baritone, strat, and mini strat) to create a >chorus of laughing guitars. The results were quite remarkable and >hysterically funny. It almost sounded like the canned laughter you would >hear on old tv sitcoms. The idea came from an attempt I made to create an >answering machine message where I learned how to phonetically say the >message in reverse and then flipped it over. ie. Hello my name is Bill >pronounced: lliB si eman ym olleH. If I'm not mistaken I believe David >Lynch used this same technique for the midget's voice on Twin Peaks. >Bill > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 19:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04777; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020721171204.0079ab80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:12:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: replacing and time slipping single tracks on Repeater Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <100QlB.A.OGB.d-zO9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, can you elaborate a little more? In order for me to create drop-outs, I need to replace over existing audio, so I can't just record fresh and have it work the same way. -Perhaps I'm missing something... Smiles, G-Girl At 12:13 PM 7/20/02 +0200, you wrote: >Automate those button presses with a sequencer (pattern mode or song mode) >"the slipping song" >no sound created yet just a looping/mangling empty structure >fire the sequencer >then add the notes/sounds to the slipping song > >Claude > > > > >> Hi All, -Well, I did afterall, have a little fling with my friendly >> Repeater for a while, and well, IT WAS AWESOME!!! lollollol! >> Mark Sottilaro asked earlier about slipping one track of a stereo pair. >> Mark, simply deselect the stereo pair, and then select a single track and >> then time slip it. >> anyway, one really neat thing I was just doing was to use the replace >> function to selectively create drop-outs in a stereo track by replacing >> little bits of it with silence. Then, I'd select a single track of the >> pair to time slip. You end up with a sort of uneven chopy track with a >> panning delay effect. Then, if you add the original rhythm back in, you >> can get some pretty wild accents due to the audio cuts and delaying. >> Then if you reverse it all... lollollol!!! >> anyway, you can create some real craziness if you then go ahead and do >> the same thing to the original rhythm track and mix it in as well. It gets >> pretty mangled. lol! >> Anyway, -just thought I'd share... >> >> Nighters, >> >> G-Girl >> > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 19:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04780; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020721171143.0079ab80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:11:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: GODDESS's forward/reverse 'accident Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, I just sang, and it came out this way. I'd love to play it for you, but I'm not sure I have enough space in my personal web space at the moment. Is there a place I could upload it to? -Or can I e-mail it to you privatelY? As far as getting turned on to palindromic polyrhythms and simple palindromic rhythms, I first played with them quite unexpectedly, since I realized I needed a 9 count when recording in reverse to get a chord to match up with the beginning of a forward track. That way, I'd have a four count forward, and a four count backward, and could get them both dead-on. I thought it was way cool! lol! Anyway, I then was introduced to polyrhythms, some of which being palindromic, through Music Craft and Guitar Craft. This vocal loop just happened though. I was really surprized not to be able to tell the direction. anyway, if you'd like to hear it, -just lemme' know what you'd like me to do, K? Smiles, CQ At 12:02 PM 7/20/02 +0200, you wrote: >GODDESS > >can we have a listen to this accident >or isnt it the instinctive result of your sutained work with those stuctures in >your guitar playing >that made you sing palindromic by instinct >work and search always land in your instinctive playing (finnaly....;=) > >where can I find more info on the palindromic uses in music >how did you discover this way of generating structures >are there others ways >very interested > >Claude > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Goddess" >To: >Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 11:35 AM >Subject: re: GODDESS's forward/reverse 'accident > > >> hey Rick, woohoo!, still up and loopy! lol! Thanks for the tips. I >> play around with palindromic polyrhythms and teach them in my lessons, I >> also used to use simple rhythmic palindromes as count-ins when recording >> in reverse with tape. So I'm familiar with the concepts. I can't wait to >> try these out! >> Yes, amy and I have been corresponding a bit lately. I wish I got to see >> the festival. >> Something I found particularly interesting about my vocal loop is that >> there's alot of sliding of notes relative to eachother, changing chords >> between tension and resolve, and despite all this, it's still almost >> impossible for me to tell which direction this was recorded at. It's >> pretty wild! >> Anyway, nighters for now, -will talk soon, K? >> >> Hugs, >> >> CQ >> >> At 01:11 AM 7/20/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >Dear Goddess, >> > >> >Viz a vis this idea of forwards and backwards loops. >> >Try this on for size: >> > >> >Start playing around with some palindromic rhythms. >> > >> >an example would be this simple rhythm in 5/8 >> > >> > >> >5/8 ||: D*T*D :|| >> > >> >where D = a bass note >> > T = a treble note >> > * = a rest >> > >> >These could be melodic or percussive sounds. >> > >> >Flip 'em over backwards and , voila, you have the same rhythm coming as >> >going!!!! >> > >> >Here's a beautiful rhythm from Cuba called 'Cascara' that is rhythmically >> >palindromic: >> > >> >||: T*TT*T*TT*T*TT*T :|| >> > 1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a >> > >> >*by the way, if these rhythms don't line up, select them and change the font >> >to courier or andale (fixed width fonts that make all characters line up). >> >That's how we send rhythms on the frame drummers list without having to use >> >a notation program. >> > >> >Now make the melody palindromic as well, as in: >> > >> >||: 1*33*5*77*5*33*1 :|| >> > 1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a >> > >> >I'm using 1, 3, 5 and 7 as whatever degree of whatever mode or scale you >> >happen to choose (hence, locrian mode would be 1, flat 3, flat 5, flat >> >7). >> > >> >You see what I mean? Excellent for forwards and backwards and forwards >> >playing that still stays 'consonant' both rhythmically and harmonically. >> > >> >Try it, you'll like it.......... >> > >> >Hope you are well. How's that new repeater coming along? Can't wait to >> >hear you perform at the World's First All Woman Looping Festival, October >> >4th at the San Jose Museum of Art. Amy X Neuburg was phenomenal and >> >phenomenally well recieved at this past weeks' Y2K2 Loopfest, btw, and she >> >will also be on the bill with you as the headliner. It's going to kick >> >butt. >> > >> >warmly, Rick Walker (loop.pool) >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 19:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05376; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:16:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:16:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020721171719.0079a760@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:17:19 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: off-list for a few hours... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I've just resubscribed to LD after being unsubed for a few hours it would seem because LD-request was saying my address was bouncing too many messages. -Not sure why this was, but -Glad to be back!... anyway, if anyone has sent any messages in response to mine, or needing a response from me, would you mind sending them along again, -possibly off-list so as not to send repeats along? Thanks so so so so much... Smiles, G-Girl --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 20:32:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10411; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:31:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:31:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.149fd86e.2a6cac3d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:30:53 EDT Subject: Taking the plunge To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <_WiuzB.A.9fC.eJ1O9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, okay, okay. I've finally been convinced by last weekends Loopfest to part with a little cash and upgrade my EDPs from Loop III to Loop IV status. Let the slicing and dicing begin. Many thanks to Andre's demo and performance in Santa Cruz (and for all of the CDs he's given me of late) ultimately for making a convert of me. My kid's new shoes will have to wait. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 20:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11047; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stations@cinci.rr.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:48:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. Actually I had already added the 36 into the equation. I had control source set to not, I just tried setting it to cont instead but it still didn't work. I did have the behringer set to note. There must be something simple I am missing. Footswitch #2 = overdub original note 2 + 36 = 38 Footswitch #3 = reverse original note 3 + 36 = 39 Footswitch #4 = 1/2 speed original note 13 + 36 = 49 Footswitch #5 = substitute original note 12+ 36 = 48 Footswitch #6 = multiply original note 4 + 36= 40 Footswitch #7 = insert original note 5 + 36= 41 Footswitch #8 = mute original note 6 + 36= 42 Footswitch #9 = undo original note 7 + 36= 43 Footswitch #10 = next loop original note 8 + 36= 44 > try using cont instead of not > check page 11 of the fcb manual and make sure "note" > is selected. i think using control changes might be a > touch easier. that's what i use with my all access > and it's a breeze to configure. > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 21:24:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14702; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:24:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:24:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stations@cinci.rr.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:30:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3110131836_20588_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3110131836_20588_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Has anybody on this list successfully used the Behringer FCB1010 to control an echoplex? (I noticed that most of the posts about the FCB1010 were about using it with The Repeater.) I can't get the Behringer FCB1010 to work at all with the echoplex. Terry Hi Kim, Thanks for trying to help. You have been most kind. I am still having no luck, so I am posting this to this whole list like you suggested. Can anyone on the list tell me how to set up the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller to work with the echoplex? I can't get it to change anything at all on the echoplex. I changed the note numbers like you suggested to what is below, but still nothing is working. Here is how I set up the Behringer: (what note I set the behringer to send for each) I set the Global midi to ch #1 Footswitch #1 = record note 38 Footswitch #2 = overdub note 39 Footswitch #3 = reverse note 49 Footswitch #4 = 1/2 speed note 48 Footswitch #5 = substitute note 46 Footswitch #6 = multiply note 40 Footswitch #7 = insert note 41 Footswitch #8 = mute note 42 Footswitch #9 = undo note 43 Footswitch #10 = next loop note 44 ______________________________________________ Here is how I have the echoplex midi set up (is this correct?): channel = *1 control source + not source # = 36 vol cont = 7 feedback control = 1 __________________________________________________________________________ Here is a link where you can download the fill Behringer FCB 1010 manual. http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=fcb1010&lang=eng I still cannot get it to change anything at all on the echoplex. __________________________________________________________________________ > As another user explained to me, there is a calibration procedure needed > for pedals that is explained on the Behringer website. (not in the manual > apparently) I went to the Behringer site but couldn't find this. Do you know exactly where this is explained? Do you think this calibration thing could be the problem? __________________________________________________________________________ I searched the Loop archives for Behringer FCB1010 midi controller. All the posts I found talked about using it with the Repeater and none about how to set it up and use it with the echoplex. ____________________________________________________________________________ Thanks for the links. I'd already searched through all the links you sent though and found nothing to help this particular problem. (I was up all night last night looking through them). (some real good other info was there though) ___________________________________________________________________________ Any other suggestions? (I am going to join the list and see if anyone can help like you suggested.) ____________________________________________________________________________ I have a suggestion for you. Could you guys make a midi pedal just for the echoplex? You could have it set from the factory to to everything (in non erasable memory). Have how ever many banks you need to, set up from the factory to do all of the most useful things. Then you could also have ways to create your own banks with custom settings as well. I bet uou'd sell one to every one who has an echoplex. ____________________________________________________________________________ Another suggestion. Seeing how the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller seems to be the only one you can find readily in stores right now, and it is only $129, it seems like a lot of echoplex users may get one. (assuming they work) It makes no sense to suggest for people to try and find midi controllers that are no longer in production. (even if they are better) There has to be a midi controller that is reasonably priced, readily available, and easy to set up and use with the echoplex. As a midi controller greatly adds to what the echoplex can do, I think it would be worth your time to eventually put up detailed on how to set up the FCB1010 midi controller to work with the echoplex. ___________________________________________________________________________ All the very best! Terry --MS_Mac_OE_3110131836_20588_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Has anybody on this list successfully used the Behringer FCB1010 to control= an echoplex?

(I noticed that most of the posts about the FCB1010 were about using it wit= h The Repeater.)

I can't get the Behringer FCB1010 to work at all with the echoplex.

Terry

Hi Kim,

Thanks for trying to help. You have been most kind.

I am still having no luck, so I am posting this to this whole list like you= suggested.

Can anyone on the list tell me how to set up the Behringer FCB1010 midi foo= t controller to work with the echoplex? I can't get it to change anything at= all on the echoplex.

I changed the note numbers like you suggested to what is below, but still n= othing is working.

Here is how I set up the Behringer: (what note I
set the behringer to send for each)

I set the Global midi to ch #1

Footswitch #1 =3D record         &nbs= p; note 38

Footswitch #2 =3D overdub         &nb= sp;note 39

Footswitch #3 =3D reverse         &nb= sp;note 49

Footswitch #4 =3D 1/2 speed        note 48=

Footswitch #5 =3D substitute       note 46

Footswitch #6 =3D multiply         no= te 40

Footswitch #7 =3D insert         &nbs= p; note 41

Footswitch #8 =3D mute          =    note 42

Footswitch #9 =3D undo          =    note 43

Footswitch #10 =3D next loop       note 44

______________________________________________

Here is how I have the echoplex midi set up (is this correct?):

channel =3D *1

control source + not

source # =3D 36

vol cont =3D 7

feedback control =3D 1

__________________________________________________________________________<= BR>
Here is a link where you can download the fill Behringer FCB 1010 manual.
http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=3Dfcb1010&lang=3Deng<= BR>
I still cannot get it to change anything at all on the echoplex.

__________________________________________________________________________<= BR>
> As another user explained to me, there is a calibration procedure need= ed
> for pedals that is explained on the Behringer website. (not in the man= ual
> apparently)

I went to the Behringer site but couldn't find this. Do you know exactly wh= ere this is explained?  Do you think this calibration thing could be th= e problem?

__________________________________________________________________________<= BR>
I searched the Loop archives for Behringer FCB1010 midi controller. All the= posts I found talked about using it with the Repeater and none about how to= set it up and use it with the echoplex.

___________________________________________________________________________= _

Thanks for the links. I'd already searched through all the links you sent t= hough and found nothing to help this particular problem. (I was up all night= last night looking through them).

(some real good other info was there though)

___________________________________________________________________________=

Any other suggestions?

(I am going to join the list and see if anyone can help like you suggested.= )

___________________________________________________________________________= _

I have a suggestion for you.  Could you guys make a midi pedal just fo= r the echoplex? You could have it set from the factory to to everything (in = non erasable memory). Have how ever many banks you need to, set up from the = factory to do all of the most useful things.

Then you could also have ways to create your own banks with custom settings= as well.

I bet uou'd sell one to every one who has an echoplex.

___________________________________________________________________________= _

Another suggestion. Seeing how the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller seems = to be the only one you can find readily in stores right now, and it is only = $129, it seems like a lot of echoplex users may get one. (assuming they work= )

It makes no sense to suggest for people to try and find midi controllers th= at are no longer in production. (even if they are better)

There has to be a midi controller that is reasonably priced, readily availa= ble, and easy to set up and use with the echoplex.

As a midi controller greatly adds to what the echoplex can do, I think it w= ould be worth your time to eventually put up detailed on how to set up the F= CB1010 midi controller to work with the echoplex.

___________________________________________________________________________=

All the very best!

Terry



--MS_Mac_OE_3110131836_20588_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 22:31:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18727; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:30:20 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "ernesto schnack" X-Epoch: 1027305020 X-Sasl-enc: TY8R8+NMKp0YztUCqE5D7g Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Message-Id: <20020722023020.3510F6DA89@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:33:54 -0700, "Mark Sottilaro" said: > up, but many seemed academic. I think Zappa did that at times as well. > Can you play G-Spot Tornado while you're cruising around town? > Probably > not, as it's more a "sit down and appreciate it" kind of deal that I > think is mainly appreciated by other musicians. I think in FZ's case, it had more to do with the frustration of dealing with orchestras than gear-wanking. Especially since G-Spot played by Ensemble Modern is one of the best Zappa moments ever. Definitely the ballsiest chamber work i've ever heard. But he did have a tendency to jump into new technology before it had really matured (the electronic drums on the '84 tour, ewwww....but then again, a lot of people where using those then.) Ernesto -- http://fastmail.fm Any faster and it wouldn't be email! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 21 23:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23739; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:40:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:45:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nutty, yes. On the other hand, the computer is in a different room and carrying ZIPs seems more practical than running a really long Firewire cable. I have been eyeing an 828 if the computer and music equipment ever end up in the same room. Mark on 7/15/02 8:47 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > What what what? That's nutty! > > I'd advise any person of the Mac persuasion to save your pennies and > pick up a nice Mark of the Unicorn 828 Firewire interface. They're > working on OSX version of Digital Performer and drivers, but until then > it's a sweet single rack solution for getting 24 bit audio into your > Mac. Plus, it's designed to work flawlessly with Digital Performer 3, > which is a great little program, IMO. The great thing about MOTU is > that they're the only ones that do a complete system, as far as I know. > Audio interface, MIDI interface, software. > > Stereo in is nice, but there were too many times I wanted to record > multiple stereo signals from different devices (sometimes coming from > different people, even!) so I'd recommend waiting and going for 4 stereo > pairs. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 08:24 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >> P.S. My audio input to my Mac: SP-808 to ZIP disk into the iBook via a >> USB >> ZIP drive. A bit convoluted. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 00:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26068; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:06:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.40.165.77] From: "juan darkness" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: space station xp300 eprom Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 04:05:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 04:05:15.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBA992D0:01C23134] Resent-Message-ID: <7VGPd.A._UG.ZS4O9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com G-girl, the eprom is where the O.S. is stored,the code for the microcontroller (8031) and the DsP are written,and if there was some new version of the software,it would be that chip that would have to be changed...i know my question is really specific ,because i need someone who has an space station,an eprom reader burner(someone who`s into electronics,like me) and who would open the xp300,take the eprom apart(it`s easy),read it in the burner and mail the image to me...i`m almost hopeless in other words,and i miss my SS so much... Thanks for your interest... please visit my band`s site www.internet.com.uy/elefante _________________________________________________________________ MSN Fotos: la forma más fácil de compartir e imprimir fotos. http://photos.msn.es/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 00:07:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26241; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:06:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:06:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721203010.0443a480@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:07:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Terry- At 02:07 PM 7/21/2002, stations@cinci.rr.com wrote: >Can anyone on the list tell me how to set up the Behringer FCB1010 midi >foot controller to work with the echoplex? I can't get it to change >anything at all on the echoplex. if some behringer owner could help him I would appreciate it, since I don't know anything about programming that pedal and don't have time to read the manual for it right now. >I changed the note numbers like you suggested to what is below, but still >nothing is working. > >Here is how I set up the Behringer: (what note I >set the behringer to send for each) > >I set the Global midi to ch #1 I think you have to set the notes specifically to midi ch 1, if I understood the behringer manual when I glanced at it before. >Footswitch #1 = record note 8 this one is wrong, it should be note 38. >Footswitch #2 = overdub note 39 > >Footswitch #3 = reverse note 49 > >Footswitch #4 = 1/2 speed note 48 > >Footswitch #5 = substitute note 46 > >Footswitch #6 = multiply note 40 > >Footswitch #7 = insert note 41 > >Footswitch #8 = mute note 42 > >Footswitch #9 = undo note 42 this one is wrong, should be note 43. >Footswitch #10 = next loop note 44 > >______________________________________________ > >Here is how I have the echoplex midi set up (is this correct?): > >channel = *1 > >control source + not > >source # = 36 > >vol cont = 7 > >feedback control = 1 yes, this is correct. I think your problem here is on the Behringer side. > > As another user explained to me, there is a calibration procedure needed > > for pedals that is explained on the Behringer website. (not in the manual > > apparently) > >I went to the Behringer site but couldn't find this. Do you know exactly >where this is explained? Do you think this calibration thing could be the >problem? i understood that to be about the expression pedals that you would be using to control feedback and volume, so i don't think this is your problem. I have no idea where to find this at the Behringer site. (didn't have time to look for you.) >I searched the Loop archives for Behringer FCB1010 midi controller. All >the posts I found talked about using it with the Repeater and none about >how to set it up and use it with the echoplex. I would expect that somebody using it with the Repeater might still be able to explain to you how to program the pedal. The problem is in programming the Behringer to do what you want, and anybody familiar enough with that pedal should be able to explain it. >(I am going to join the list and see if anyone can help like you suggested.) welcome! >I have a suggestion for you. Could you guys make a midi pedal just for >the echoplex? You could have it set from the factory to to everything (in >non erasable memory). Have how ever many banks you need to, set up from >the factory to do all of the most useful things. > >Then you could also have ways to create your own banks with custom >settings as well. I'm sure that would be lovely, and I would certainly like to see better midi pedals available, but if I had the couple of spare years and $2-3million in funding this would require, I would probably spend it on developing another looper instead of a midi pedal. probably it is simpler for users to trade sysex dumps from the existing batch of pedals. Very simple to do with the Digitech PMC-10 and Sean's Raymond editor. >I bet uou'd sell one to every one who has an echoplex. I'd want to set my sights a little higher than that I think.... >Another suggestion. Seeing how the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller seems >to be the only one you can find readily in stores right now, and it is >only $129, it seems like a lot of echoplex users may get one. (assuming >they work) yamaha MFC10, roland FC200, and Rocktron AllAccess are in stores, although they cost more. >It makes no sense to suggest for people to try and find midi controllers >that are no longer in production. (even if they are better) hmm, don't agree. Current midi pedal manufacturers make crappy pedals, and I'm not interested in supporting them for it. You will be much happier with some of the out-of-print pedals, because they are much better. If current manufacturers get the message that people would rather use an "old" pedal because it is actually much better than their "new" pedal, perhaps they will finally make a decent pedal. >There has to be a midi controller that is reasonably priced, readily >available, and easy to set up and use with the echoplex. > >As a midi controller greatly adds to what the echoplex can do, I think it >would be worth your time to eventually put up detailed on how to set up >the FCB1010 midi controller to work with the echoplex. that seems like a fine idea, although I think it seems strange that I should have to explain how to program Behringer's pedal....seems like that is Behringer's job to me. Anyway, if I created such a document, I would need help from somebody who uses the Behringer pedal since I don't have one. BTW, I saw that Behringer announced a new software update for the FCB1010 at NAMM the other day. I don't know what's new about it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 00:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26573; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:11:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721210919.00ae5db0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:12:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:17 PM 7/21/2002, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > > > >Here is how I have the echoplex midi set up (is this >correct?): > > > >channel = *1 > > > >control source + not > >try using cont instead of not the Behringer pedal is not capable of controlling the Echoplex very well (or at all) with it's simple continuous controller implementation. only the Note implementation would work. > >source # = 36 > > > >vol cont = 7 > > > >feedback control = 1 > >check page 11 of the fcb manual and make sure "note" >is selected. i think using control changes might be a >touch easier. that's what i use with my all access >and it's a breeze to configure. i don't understand what the difference would be. From the echoplex point of view, it works exactly the same whether you use notes or cc. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 00:19:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27011; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721211409.00adf4e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:19:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:48 PM 7/21/2002, stations@cinci.rr.com wrote: >Thanks. > >Actually I had already added the 36 into the equation. > >I had control source set to not, I just tried setting it to cont instead but >it still didn't work. you would also need to reprogram your pedal to send cc messages... but in the case of the Behringer pedal it can't send one cc value when you press a pedal and another when you release, so it won't work with cc. with notes it works. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 00:25:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27508; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:24:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.10e2ed8f.2a6ce2e5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:24:05 EDT Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop is no effect, though it can have effect. is instrument, or gimmick, eh? no speaks 2 well no mo', dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 01:30:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32439; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:30:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:30:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c2310e$03a93840$05f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721210919.00ae5db0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:26:15 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I have a suggestion for you. Could you guys make a midi pedal just for the echoplex? You could have it set from the factory to to everything (in non-erasable memory). Have how ever many banks you need to, set up from the factory to do all of the most useful things." not necessary. pedals like the all access and certain cae units, skydstrup, etc. do EVERYTHING you might ever want out of a midi pedal. anything more, and simple switches and an expression pedal or two won't do much to control things. "i don't understand what the difference would be. From the echoplex point of view, it works exactly the same whether you use notes or cc." the difference is the controller (which is more than likely the source of the confusion here). i found that the all access is easier to program using cc instead of note. just a personal anecdote, but if it worked for me... "the Behringer pedal can't send one cc value when you press a pedal and another when you release (it), so it won't work with cc" that's why it helps to have different "types" of switches: momentary, latching, and hold. are these not options with the behringer? one would hope that they would be options, as having just one "type" of switch might be fairly limiting. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 01:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00568; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c23142$cd908bc0$e7d1bf3f@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: References: <16f.10e2ed8f.2a6ce2e5@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:44:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what constitutes an "effect"? ayaya poopoo? this dialogue lacks precision/syntactical cohesion *harshbud* I guess "loop as effect" means "alterating ; ) a loop in some way from its original form" or some such gist. -Tom the Tonal Transmuter "What's wrong with my compass?" - Amelia Earhardt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect > loop is no effect, though it can have effect. > is instrument, or gimmick, eh? > no speaks 2 well no mo', > dt / s-c > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 02:43:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04003; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:41:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0AAB3406-9D3E-11D6-A003-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have seen really long fire wire cables for such things, if you are interested. I can't imagine my music and my computer in separate rooms, they are one! Mark On Sunday, July 21, 2002, at 08:45 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Nutty, yes. On the other hand, the computer is in a different room and > carrying ZIPs seems more practical than running a really long Firewire > cable. > > I have been eyeing an 828 if the computer and music equipment ever end > up in > the same room. > > Mark > > on 7/15/02 8:47 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> What what what? That's nutty! >> >> I'd advise any person of the Mac persuasion to save your pennies and >> pick up a nice Mark of the Unicorn 828 Firewire interface. They're >> working on OSX version of Digital Performer and drivers, but until then >> it's a sweet single rack solution for getting 24 bit audio into your >> Mac. Plus, it's designed to work flawlessly with Digital Performer 3, >> which is a great little program, IMO. The great thing about MOTU is >> that they're the only ones that do a complete system, as far as I know. >> Audio interface, MIDI interface, software. >> >> Stereo in is nice, but there were too many times I wanted to record >> multiple stereo signals from different devices (sometimes coming from >> different people, even!) so I'd recommend waiting and going for 4 >> stereo >> pairs. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> >> On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 08:24 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>> P.S. My audio input to my Mac: SP-808 to ZIP disk into the iBook via a >>> USB >>> ZIP drive. A bit convoluted. >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 02:45:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04442; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:44:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:44:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721232810.02d88cd8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:38:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex In-Reply-To: <003d01c2310e$03a93840$05f8c440@g0wn7> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721210919.00ae5db0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7wWhoD.A.2EB.En6O9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:26 PM 7/21/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >"i don't understand what the difference would be. From the echoplex point of >view, it works exactly the same whether you use notes or cc." > >the difference is the controller (which is more than likely the source of >the confusion here). i found that the all access is easier to program using >cc instead of note. just a personal anecdote, but if it worked for me... must be something about the AllAccess I guess. On my PMC-10 it is the same either way to program notes or cc. For me I would rather use notes, since it fits with the way a keyboard works exactly, so anything intended to play notes on a synth or sampler works great. If you have a keyboard, you can just map a range of keys to control the EDP. >"the Behringer pedal can't send one cc value when you press a pedal and >another when you release (it), so it won't work with cc" > >that's why it helps to have different "types" of switches: momentary, >latching, and hold. are these not options with the behringer? no, they are not. that's the problem. Fortunately, it does seem to send Notes as if the switches were momentary, so it should work. >one would >hope that they would be options, as having just one "type" of switch might >be fairly limiting. yep. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 02:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05168; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:50:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:50:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:50:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721211409.00adf4e8@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <4E5DCB0A-9D3F-11D6-A003-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 21, 2002, at 09:19 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > you would also need to reprogram your pedal to send cc messages... but > in the case of the Behringer pedal it can't send one cc value when you > press a pedal and another when you release, so it won't work with cc. > with notes it works. > > kim > The 1010 does indeed do this, as it runs the Repeater perfectly using this method. I played around a bit with my new toy today, but have not broached the MIDI pedal task. I'll post my findings tomorrow. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 02:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05566; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:53:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <16f.10e2ed8f.2a6ce2e5@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you think that loop is no effect, you have yet to hear Mr. LaFosse's latest EDP mayhem. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 21, 2002, at 09:24 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > loop is no effect, though it can have effect. > is instrument, or gimmick, eh? > no speaks 2 well no mo', > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 03:00:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07080; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721234727.00ab0330@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:00:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <003101c23142$cd908bc0$e7d1bf3f@TommyD> References: <16f.10e2ed8f.2a6ce2e5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To me an effect is something that just sits there and does it's thing with little or no interaction from the user. Like a reverb, or a chorus or distortion pedal, at least the way most people use such things. Sound goes in, gets changed in some consistent way, comes out again. Once you've turned the effect on you otherwise go about playing your instrument, which is the thing you interact with in order to convert whatever is inside you into audible music outside of you. The effect simply affects the way it sounds. So to me the instrument is interactive, the effect passive. From that perspective, a loop that is simply recorded and left to repeat indefinitely would fall more in the "effect" category. When you make looping an interactive effort where various techniques are used to change the resulting sound according to your musical directive, then looping becomes more of an instrument. kim At 10:44 PM 7/21/2002, Tom Dauria wrote: >what constitutes an "effect"? ayaya poopoo? this dialogue lacks >precision/syntactical cohesion *harshbud* > I guess "loop as effect" means "alterating ; ) a loop in some way from >its original form" or some such gist. >-Tom the Tonal Transmuter > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 03:29:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07880; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 03:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 03:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:28:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721234727.00ab0330@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <5IqhxC.A.l6B.wQ7O9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, you see I will totally disagree with you there. When you apply distortion to your guitar, you immediately change things like tone and sustain. Minor thirds sound more nasty, notes ring out longer. Unless you're applying distortion post performance, it's going to (should) change the way you play, and therefore can't be thought of as passive. Many effects devices have lot's of realtime parameter options, and can be very similar in nature to rocking your finger on a string to produce vibrato or any other more finger oriented effect. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 12:00 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > To me an effect is something that just sits there and does it's thing > with little or no interaction from the user. Like a reverb, or a chorus > or distortion pedal, at least the way most people use such things. > Sound goes in, gets changed in some consistent way, comes out again. > Once you've turned the effect on you otherwise go about playing your > instrument, which is the thing you interact with in order to convert > whatever is inside you into audible music outside of you. The effect > simply affects the way it sounds. So to me the instrument is > interactive, the effect passive. > > From that perspective, a loop that is simply recorded and left to > repeat indefinitely would fall more in the "effect" category. When you > make looping an interactive effort where various techniques are used to > change the resulting sound according to your musical directive, then > looping becomes more of an instrument. > > kim > > At 10:44 PM 7/21/2002, Tom Dauria wrote: >> what constitutes an "effect"? ayaya poopoo? this dialogue lacks >> precision/syntactical cohesion *harshbud* >> I guess "loop as effect" means "alterating ; ) a loop in some way >> from >> its original form" or some such gist. >> -Tom the Tonal Transmuter >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 04:53:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11901; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 04:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 04:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722014223.00ae8fd8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:53:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721234727.00ab0330@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:28 AM 7/22/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Ah, you see I will totally disagree with you there. When you apply >distortion to your guitar, you immediately change things like tone and >sustain. yes of course, that's what I said. It changes the way your instrument sounds, but it does it passively. >Minor thirds sound more nasty, notes ring out longer. Unless you're >applying distortion post performance, it's going to (should) change the >way you play, and therefore can't be thought of as passive. The key point is it changes the way you play your *guitar*, which remains the instrument. You are not actively putting your hands/feet/lips on the distortion pedal itself and playing that. You are playing and interacting with the guitar, and the distortion pedal just sits there, passively. It might affect how you play the guitar and how the guitar sounds, but that's what an effect does. It affects things. >Many effects devices have lot's of realtime parameter options, and can be >very similar in nature to rocking your finger on a string to produce >vibrato or any other more finger oriented effect. exactly my point. When you start interacting with the parameters of a device to the point where that interaction is a constant musical manipulation, in my mind the device has become the instrument. It is no longer a passive effect. Very few people treat their effects processors this way. Most just set a patch and play their instrument through it, leaving the processor to be passive rather than interactive. kim >On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 12:00 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >>To me an effect is something that just sits there and does it's thing >>with little or no interaction from the user. Like a reverb, or a chorus >>or distortion pedal, at least the way most people use such things. Sound >>goes in, gets changed in some consistent way, comes out again. Once >>you've turned the effect on you otherwise go about playing your >>instrument, which is the thing you interact with in order to convert >>whatever is inside you into audible music outside of you. The effect >>simply affects the way it sounds. So to me the instrument is interactive, >>the effect passive. >> >> From that perspective, a loop that is simply recorded and left to repeat >> indefinitely would fall more in the "effect" category. When you make >> looping an interactive effort where various techniques are used to >> change the resulting sound according to your musical directive, then >> looping becomes more of an instrument. >> >>kim >> >>At 10:44 PM 7/21/2002, Tom Dauria wrote: >>>what constitutes an "effect"? ayaya poopoo? this dialogue lacks >>>precision/syntactical cohesion *harshbud* >>> I guess "loop as effect" means "alterating ; ) a loop in some way from >>>its original form" or some such gist. >>>-Tom the Tonal Transmuter >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 05:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15350; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:56:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <161.1109cd26.2a6d3076@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:55:02 EDT Subject: Re: FCB1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >channel = *1 > > > >control source + not > > try using cont instead of not Terry Er, no don't do that! The FCB1010 only works well with the EDP if you use Note-On. (you can't do LongPress) Here's a mail I sent to someone with the same problem, tells you how to program for Record, which is a good place to start. make sure your MIDI cable is working, and that your using MIDI Out from the Behringer to MIDI in ont the EDP. (obvious, but so easy to get wrong) andy butler *************************************** Here's how Get the gear set up and connected, and have your Behringer and EDP manuals to hand. 1) first make sure the EDP is set up right:- ControlSource = not Source# = 36 check which MIDI channel it uses 2) Go to page 10 in your Behringer manual. In the Global setup make sure that functio 10/0, which sends note on/off is set to the same MIDI channel as your EDP. (at this point you might also like to set functions 8 & 9, to the EDP MIDI channel. These are the expression pedals, and if you like these can control output vol. and feedback on the EDP) 3)Then go to the bottom of page 13 (section 2.4.4) and program the note numbers for the EDP functions you wish to access. see page 4-71 in the EDP manual, under "Source#." Record is 38 Well give it a go, you can always ask again if it doesn't work. ...and remember, if you upgrade your EDP to the new Loop4 software there's even more opportunity for MIDI control. good luck and happy looping andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 07:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22417; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:31:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:31:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020722113116.25858.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 04:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16f.10e2ed8f.2a6ce2e5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i only loop for affect. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > loop is no effect, though it can have effect. > is instrument, or gimmick, eh? > no speaks 2 well no mo', > dt / s-c > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 07:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22707; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:33:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:33:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:36:40 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D3BEE48.917939B0@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <16f.10e2ed8f.2a6ce2e5@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020721234727.00ab0330@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lots of people play effects interactively, especially in electronic music. An effect is something that alters the sound, but does not generate it's own sound. Kim Flint wrote: > To me an effect is something that just sits there and does it's thing with > little or no interaction from the user. Like a reverb, or a chorus or > distortion pedal, at least the way most people use such things. Sound goes > in, gets changed in some consistent way, comes out again. Once you've > turned the effect on you otherwise go about playing your instrument, which > is the thing you interact with in order to convert whatever is inside you > into audible music outside of you. The effect simply affects the way it > sounds. So to me the instrument is interactive, the effect passive. > > From that perspective, a loop that is simply recorded and left to repeat > indefinitely would fall more in the "effect" category. When you make > looping an interactive effort where various techniques are used to change > the resulting sound according to your musical directive, then looping > becomes more of an instrument. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 08:04:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26027; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:03:54 EDT Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, >If you think that loop is no effect, llop has effect, but is no one. >you have yet to hear Mr. LaFosse's >latest EDP mayhem. i have heared many time. probably before did you. is good! has effect! but is not effect. is music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 08:07:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26503; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:07:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:07:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:06:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <6Ejzh.A.jbG.aV_O9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has anybody on this list successfully used > the Behringer FCB1010 to control an echoplex? > Terry Yes. But I only use the FCB1010 button n:o 10 for the EDP (globally assigned to the EDP midi channel) since I need the rest for controlling my Repeater. I use the FCB/10 to bring the EDP into HalfSpeed, which keeps the EDP foot pedal INSERT free to control "EDP reverse". Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 08:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27932; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:24:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:24:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <157.113a801c.2a6d5361@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:24:01 EDT Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-2aeK.A.zxG.pl_O9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: >When you start interacting with the parameters of a >device to the point where that interaction is a constant musical >manipulation, in my mind the device has become the instrument. like as to be similar in my mind. >It is no >longer a passive effect. Very few people treat their effects processors >this way. many peoples treat their instruments this way. d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 08:38:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28843; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:37:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.105] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:35:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 12:35:54.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[51F4D220:01C2317C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, I too am attempting to program the 1010 with CC's and you are right the long press is not there. I am going to try using notes next. I had trouble programming the pedals for volume and feedback. I didn't find the CC # in the book but I am sure I overlooked it somewhere as I haven't read the manual cover to cover sequentially. Can you steer me in the right direction. I started using the 1010 with the Repeater and it is great for that but if I can eliminate one more pedal from the overcrowded floor I may be able to dance while I play without breaking something. Thanks, Weg From: SoundFNR@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:55:02 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc1-f41.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.48]) by mc1-s17.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 22 Jul 2002 03:02:15 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc1-f41.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:56:06 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15200;Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <161.1109cd26.2a6d3076@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 09:56:07.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFBA69E0:01C23165] > >channel = *1 > > > >control source + not > > try using cont instead of not Terry Er, no don't do that! The FCB1010 only works well with the EDP if you use Note-On. (you can't do LongPress) Here's a mail I sent to someone with the same problem, tells you how to program for Record, which is a good place to start. make sure your MIDI cable is working, and that your using MIDI Out from the Behringer to MIDI in ont the EDP. (obvious, but so easy to get wrong) andy butler *************************************** Here's how Get the gear set up and connected, and have your Behringer and EDP manuals to hand. 1) first make sure the EDP is set up right:- ControlSource = not Source# = 36 check which MIDI channel it uses 2) Go to page 10 in your Behringer manual. In the Global setup make sure that functio 10/0, which sends note on/off is set to the same MIDI channel as your EDP. (at this point you might also like to set functions 8 & 9, to the EDP MIDI channel. These are the expression pedals, and if you like these can control output vol. and feedback on the EDP) 3)Then go to the bottom of page 13 (section 2.4.4) and program the note numbers for the EDP functions you wish to access. see page 4-71 in the EDP manual, under "Source#." Record is 38 Well give it a go, you can always ask again if it doesn't work. ...and remember, if you upgrade your EDP to the new Loop4 software there's even more opportunity for MIDI control. good luck and happy looping andy butler Weg _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 09:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02947; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:56:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: How do I get? From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 22 Jul 2002 05:50:27 -0400 Message-Id: <1027331430.1376.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm fairly new to looping and have been having more fun than I ought with my EDP. After the first 90 minutes of jamming in my music room (yes, I have a very cool girlfriend, too) I ask myself, how do I get out? More specifically, what transitional elements do you use to move between musical segments? Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 11:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11374; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:22:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:22:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: off-list for a few hours... Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020721171719.0079a760@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi All, I've just resubscribed to LD after being > unsubed for a few hours it would seem because LD-request > was saying my address was bouncing too > many messages. -Not sure why this was, but > -Glad to be back!... Interesting...must have been some kind of glitch. The same thing happened to me. I was removed from the list due to "too many bounced messages." Wonder if we lost some other folks? - Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 11:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12512; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:35:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:35:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: off-list for a few hours... From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 22 Jul 2002 07:31:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1027337518.2119.133.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4Ib6VC.A.yCD.xYCP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for momentary departure into nerdom. I've seen this happen on firewalls where port 25 isn't properly configured. Don't know if it your ISP or not. jeff On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 11:23, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > Hi All, I've just resubscribed to LD after being > > unsubed for a few hours it would seem because LD-request > > was saying my address was bouncing too > > many messages. -Not sure why this was, but > > -Glad to be back!... > > Interesting...must have been some kind of glitch. The same thing happened > to me. I was removed from the list due to "too many bounced messages." > Wonder if we lost some other folks? > > - Dennis > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 11:36:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12535; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:35:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:35:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:36:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c23195$96151f50$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722014223.00ae8fd8@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, just to make sure I get this correctly: if the distortion does come (as in my case) from a FireworX or (what lots of guitarists might prefer) from a Line6 distortion modeler, the effect turns into an "active" effect in you vocabulary because then I can use one (or several) pedals to realtime-affect the parameters? And what about dynamic-sensitive effects? Playing them can be a "constant musical manipulation" (as in some possibilities with the Vortex or even weirder processors)? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Montag, 22. Juli 2002 10:54 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect > > > At 12:28 AM 7/22/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >Ah, you see I will totally disagree with you there. When you apply > >distortion to your guitar, you immediately change things > like tone and > >sustain. > > yes of course, that's what I said. It changes the way your instrument > sounds, but it does it passively. > > >Minor thirds sound more nasty, notes ring out longer. Unless you're > >applying distortion post performance, it's going to (should) > change the > >way you play, and therefore can't be thought of as passive. > > The key point is it changes the way you play your *guitar*, > which remains > the instrument. You are not actively putting your > hands/feet/lips on the > distortion pedal itself and playing that. You are playing and > interacting > with the guitar, and the distortion pedal just sits there, > passively. It > might affect how you play the guitar and how the guitar > sounds, but that's > what an effect does. It affects things. > > >Many effects devices have lot's of realtime parameter > options, and can be > >very similar in nature to rocking your finger on a string to produce > >vibrato or any other more finger oriented effect. > > exactly my point. When you start interacting with the parameters of a > device to the point where that interaction is a constant musical > manipulation, in my mind the device has become the > instrument. It is no > longer a passive effect. Very few people treat their effects > processors > this way. Most just set a patch and play their instrument through it, > leaving the processor to be passive rather than interactive. > > kim > > > >On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 12:00 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > > > >>To me an effect is something that just sits there and does > it's thing > >>with little or no interaction from the user. Like a reverb, > or a chorus > >>or distortion pedal, at least the way most people use such > things. Sound > >>goes in, gets changed in some consistent way, comes out again. Once > >>you've turned the effect on you otherwise go about playing your > >>instrument, which is the thing you interact with in order > to convert > >>whatever is inside you into audible music outside of you. > The effect > >>simply affects the way it sounds. So to me the instrument > is interactive, > >>the effect passive. > >> > >> From that perspective, a loop that is simply recorded and > left to repeat > >> indefinitely would fall more in the "effect" category. > When you make > >> looping an interactive effort where various techniques are used to > >> change the resulting sound according to your musical > directive, then > >> looping becomes more of an instrument. > >> > >>kim > >> > >>At 10:44 PM 7/21/2002, Tom Dauria wrote: > >>>what constitutes an "effect"? ayaya poopoo? this dialogue lacks > >>>precision/syntactical cohesion *harshbud* > >>> I guess "loop as effect" means "alterating ; ) a loop > in some way from > >>>its original form" or some such gist. > >>>-Tom the Tonal Transmuter > >> > >>____________________________________________________________ > __________ > >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 11:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13366; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:43:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:43:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:43:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c23196$924f6f50$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D3BEE48.917939B0@optonline.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Greg, > An effect is something that alters the sound, but does not > generate it's own > sound. You mean, like a trombone (or any brass instrument)? >:-) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Waltzer [mailto:gwaltzer@optonline.net] > Sent: Montag, 22. Juli 2002 13:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect > > > Lots of people play effects interactively, especially in > electronic music. > > Kim Flint wrote: > > > To me an effect is something that just sits there and does > it's thing with > > little or no interaction from the user. Like a reverb, or a > chorus or > > distortion pedal, at least the way most people use such > things. Sound goes > > in, gets changed in some consistent way, comes out again. > Once you've > > turned the effect on you otherwise go about playing your > instrument, which > > is the thing you interact with in order to convert whatever > is inside you > > into audible music outside of you. The effect simply > affects the way it > > sounds. So to me the instrument is interactive, the effect passive. > > > > From that perspective, a loop that is simply recorded and > left to repeat > > indefinitely would fall more in the "effect" category. When you make > > looping an interactive effort where various techniques are > used to change > > the resulting sound according to your musical directive, > then looping > > becomes more of an instrument. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 12:07:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16107; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: How do I get? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:07:24 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c23199$e070ee90$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1027331430.1376.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <0CPwmD.A.a7D.11CP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jeff, several possibilities can be used to move between musical segments (what I understand as moving "out of the loop" to go somewhere else), the ones I currently can think of I will describe here. Most of the time I will implicitly talk about my gear as well, which loop-sided is mainly a repeater: i) Fade the loop. The simplest way to do this is to put the looper in overdub with a finite feedback setting (this can be adjusted on some loopers, on some loopers it is fixed to a finite value, like on the Line6 DL4). You simply listen to the signal fading as the loop spins around. Depending on your musical wishes, you might at some point start to overdub you next musical segment into the fading loop (but keep in mind that some remnants of the former loop will remain, but you can record the new loop on a new track on the repeater and when it plays swith off/erase the first track). ii) The Beethoven Method: break down a longer loop into a short sequence with a clear musical statements. This is how the finales of Beethoven Symphonies end, hence the name. Say you have an eight-bar guitar line running in your repeater. You can now use either different delays between which you alternate to sample specific portions of the running loop, or use a clever combination of stopping/restarting the loop and slipping it using either a foot controller (i.e. assign sequences of stop, slip defined amount, start to different buttons of a FCB1010) or a sequencer. With clever programming and/or timing, you can then only play measures 1, 5, 5, 8 (or anything else you might like), and then loop this with another looper and so on. This is clever insofar as you can use it to bring down the loop to a length where the available processors allow for simpler handling. iii) Play along with your loop and change it: Say you played something on your bass guitar, looped it (i.e. a chord progression or lick), and then solo over it. Now you want the loop to change. You can then play along with your loop in unisono, fade and stop the loop, and then gradually change the loop's contents, because now you're playing your former loop "live". This is greatly simplified by using a MIDI foot controller to control both the volume of your bass guitar and reciprocally the volume of the loop. iv) Use secondary effects to "hide" your loop and then do something else: different effects, like reverb, slap delays, ring modulators and whatnot can be used and faded it to slowly turn a loop into a mess of sonic mayhem. After you've arrived at total mayhem, you can simply start to record another loop and come out of it by fading out the weirdness effects. v) Stop the loop: It's as simple as that. If you want to do some other loop afterwards, a tricky thing is to have the loop signal feed a ducked delay, which is inaudible while the looper plays. When the looper is stopped, the delay suddenly fades in, repeating the last segment of the loop ad infinitum (at the same time adding specific "tape loop" effects if you want it to). Then start another loop and do whatever you want. Similair topics have (if I remember correctly) already been discussed, so a search in the archives might bring additional enlightenment... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Lomas [mailto:jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Montag, 22. Juli 2002 11:50 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: How do I get? > > > I'm fairly new to looping and have been having more fun than I ought > with my EDP. After the first 90 minutes of jamming in my music room > (yes, I have a very cool girlfriend, too) I ask myself, how do I get > out? > > More specifically, what transitional elements do you use to > move between > musical segments? > > Regards, > Jeff > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 14:03:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26241; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:02:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:02:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:01:50 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01b201c231a9$daa844d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000701c23196$924f6f50$0601a8c0@SATAN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > An effect is something that alters the sound, but does not > > generate it's own > > sound. > > You mean, like a trombone (or any brass instrument)? > actually, this doesn't make sense. a brass instrument does generate sound. though the lip is part of the equation, the instrument doesn't just amplify lip buzz... there will always be a distinction blur between effect and instrument. is a wah pedal an effect? how about the guitar amp? good luck being consistent on the hairy edge... "Nothing is intrinsically good or evil, but its usage may make it so." - St. Thomas Aquinas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 14:34:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27868; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722113338.02e9e508@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:34:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: off-list for a few hours... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20020721171719.0079a760@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9kqRNB.A.9yG.c_EP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:23 AM 7/22/2002, you wrote: > > Hi All, I've just resubscribed to LD after being > > unsubed for a few hours it would seem because LD-request > > was saying my address was bouncing too > > many messages. -Not sure why this was, but > > -Glad to be back!... > >Interesting...must have been some kind of glitch. The same thing happened >to me. I was removed from the list due to "too many bounced messages." >Wonder if we lost some other folks? I do actually manage the list here...such things get monitored and handled. nobody was lost. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 14:50:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28861; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: off-list for a few hours... Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722113338.02e9e508@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I do actually manage the list here...such things > get monitored and handled. > nobody was lost. > kim I have infinite faith in Kim. I'd say "Kim for President" but then where would Loop V be? I *do* have priorities, after all... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 14:58:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29522; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:57:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:57:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3C5590.606FEE65@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:57:20 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure how you can say this. It's generally accepted that "delay" is an effect, no? I've got a ton of gear that lists the type of effects and "delay" is usually one of them. Is a loop not essentially a long delay with a 100% feedback? Don't think that I don't agree that we're on some slippery ground. I think the minute you take the acoustic phenomena of a string vibration, and apply a transformer and an amplifier on it, you've got an effect. You've *changed* the sound in a way. Again, it allows you to use technique in a different way than without it. I also don't understand where you draw the line between effect and music. To me it seems like one long continuum, starting with the effect of the string vibrating (insert favorite oscillation here) when struck in some way. So there, you've manipulated reality. Then you put a magnet on it and get it to change the way electrons are behaving, then you.... It really becomes one big mess. A fun mess! is both effect has effect and is music. no? i think so. Mark Sottilaro Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > i have heared many time. > probably before did you. > is good! > has effect! > but is not effect. is music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 15:10:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31639; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:10:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:09:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D3C5590.606FEE65@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I think the minute you take the acoustic phenomena of a string vibration, and apply a transformer and an amplifier on it, you've got an effect." Isn't a violin an "effect" than as well? It is the violin body shape applied to the phenomena of a string vibration, no? -Nathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 15:12:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31642; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:10:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:10:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3C585B.4816F68C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:09:15 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721234727.00ab0330@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020722014223.00ae8fd8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > > >Many effects devices have lot's of realtime parameter options, and can be > >very similar in nature to rocking your finger on a string to produce > >vibrato or any other more finger oriented effect. > > exactly my point. When you start interacting with the parameters of a > device to the point where that interaction is a constant musical > manipulation, in my mind the device has become the instrument. It is no > longer a passive effect. Very few people treat their effects processors > this way. Most just set a patch and play their instrument through it, > leaving the processor to be passive rather than interactive. > > kim True, in general, you're probably correct, except for wah wah pedals, most people don't "perform" the effect much, but a lot of that is changing now that manufacturers are putting realtime control built into many of their devices. Digitech hardly makes a guitar effect that doesn't have a built in pedal. This is sweet, IMO. Saves me the trouble of having to duct tape effects boxes to my guitar. (which does have a certain charm, though) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 15:34:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01493; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:33:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:33:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020722193301.22557.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: repeater sync question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207211436.KAA00696@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm having trouble getting the repeater to sync properly to my computer... the tempo from the sequencer is 151, but the repeater keeps running at 147 w/ slight fluctuations (which i understand as neccesary) before i was running the sequencer at 113 bpm, and the repeater was running at 247! wierd...help? phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 15:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01511; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722123138.02e74c40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:35:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <3D3C5590.606FEE65@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:57 AM 7/22/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I'm not sure how you can say this. It's generally accepted that "delay" >is an effect, no? I've got a ton of gear that lists the type of effects >and "delay" is usually one of them. Is a loop not essentially a long >delay with a 100% feedback? if that is all you do with looping, then yes, for you loops are just an effect. You would not be interacting with it at all, just using it as accompaniment. sort of like karaoke. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 15:39:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02246; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:38:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:38:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:24:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000701c23196$924f6f50$0601a8c0@SATAN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it is fruitless (but interesting) to try to define or describe Looping as 'Instrument' or 'Effect'. But I feel like playing, so here goes... A Looper is its own class of device. Period. I think of Looping as occupying the terrain between Recording and Live (unrecorded) Playing. Realtime recording, spontaneous production, instant karma with audio, "turntablist guitar"...But its what happens to the sound AFTER the sound leaves ones' fingers/voice/body/mouth that is the starting point of Looping. There would be no Looping without an instrument or some audio source with which to create sound, whether the instrument is a traditional one, or toys, body, nature sounds. That said, there are effects on-board the EDP and Repeater. In the EDP case, I would consider Reverse and Half Time to be an Effect; everything else would be in that fuzzy zone I try to describe above. On the Repeater, effects are the pitch/time changes and what happens in the effects loop. _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 15:42:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02784; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:42:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c23185$2ef73700$07f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721210919.00ae5db0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020721232810.02d88cd8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:39:19 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "For me I would rather use notes, since it fits with the way a keyboard works exactly, so anything intended to play notes on a synth or sampler works great. If you have a keyboard, you can just map a range of keys to control the EDP. ok, i'm not controlling (or using as a controller) any tone-producing units, so this makes sense. "no, they are not. that's the problem. Fortunately, it does seem to send Notes as if the switches were momentary, so it should work. oh...hmmm...so much for versatility, i guess. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 15:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03403; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c23185$da811820$07f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: FCB1010 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:44:07 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I too am attempting to program the 1010 with CC's and you are right the long press is not there." this may be of no concern, but the all access let's you do long press functions. fwiw, with the all access you can eleminate just about every other pedal from your floorboard. sorry, this probably sounds like an ad for rocktron, but after reading about all the confusion and limitations surrounding the behringer, i can't help but pipe up. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 16:03:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05899; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:02:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:02:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3C64B4.103FF106@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:01:56 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure is, in my world. How close minded we'd be if we did not concider the shape of a well designed room as an "effect" in music. Just because we can digitally emulate it now, doesn't mean that it's original form is no longer valid. I think everything is just one big effect, right down to a genetic level. Our genes inform matter how to become a human, and then it goes from there. Mark Sottilaro Nathan Bannow wrote: > "I think the minute you take the acoustic phenomena of a string vibration, > and apply a transformer and an amplifier on it, you've got an effect." > > Isn't a violin an "effect" than as well? It is the violin body shape > applied to the phenomena of a string vibration, no? > > -Nathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 16:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06353; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:06:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6EDF6@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> From: Kevin Simonson To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:05:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My take is that effects manipulate timbre and tone, while looping manipulates performance. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 2:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect At 11:57 AM 7/22/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I'm not sure how you can say this. It's generally accepted that "delay" >is an effect, no? I've got a ton of gear that lists the type of effects >and "delay" is usually one of them. Is a loop not essentially a long >delay with a 100% feedback? if that is all you do with looping, then yes, for you loops are just an effect. You would not be interacting with it at all, just using it as accompaniment. sort of like karaoke. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 16:35:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08505; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:34:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:34:50 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c231bf$3aa4d230$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01b201c231a9$daa844d0$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you tell a brass player to "blow his instrument" and then take the instrument away, what you will hear is "melodic sound" generated by the lips vibrating in the stream of air. If you add the instrument, the sound is louder and more focused on a single frequency and sounds what most people will call "nicer", but this is actually well-consistent with the definition of an "effect" you gave... Mind you, I chose the trombone (or any brass instrument) here for a reason - your "the instrument does generate sound" point would be valid for about any other instrument I can think of at the moment (except for blowing a comb or singing onto a timpano or something to this effect)... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > actually, this doesn't make sense. > a brass instrument does generate sound. > though the lip is part of the equation, the instrument doesn't just > amplify lip buzz... > > > there will always be a distinction blur between effect and instrument. > is a wah pedal an effect? > how about the guitar amp? > good luck being consistent on the hairy edge... > > "Nothing is intrinsically good or evil, but its usage may > make it so." - St. Thomas Aquinas > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 16:37:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08850; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE38@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:35:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C231BF.53A741A0" Resent-Message-ID: <36h6ZB.A.GKC.xzGP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C231BF.53A741A0 Content-Type: text/plain 3) One point of view might say that using a bunch of EDP editing functions to chop up a loop actually represents a PURER form of looping than does a system that applies serious processing or effects to the loop. The reason I say this is that things like reverb, pitch modulation, pitch shifting, or other processing aren't really part of "looping," per se - they're electronic treatments applied to sound. ** of course, one could say that the type of looping that is being discussed here is an "electronic treatment" (or manipulation of sound). in that it *affects* (or _effects_, if you prefer) the _original_ sound. in the instance being discussed, it seems that the edp (or other advanced looper) is *not* creating the initial sound (as a trumpet would), but rather re-contextualizing it. to me this is not a _big deal_ (in the sense of a debate about what is an effect and what isn't). it sorta gets into the same conceptual gray area of whether or not a dj is a musician, ya know? if one extrapolates from the idea of the instrument creating the sound, it may mean that the "advanced" looping device is really more of a compositional tool than it is an instrument unto itself. for example: the instruments in an orchestra make their discrete sounds (or a solo instrument for a solo piece). the composer takes the musical material (notes, etc.) and then also applies timbral effects (mutes, bow/breath/lip techniques) and deals with form, slicing and dicing motives, etc. well, not very well articulated, but maybe the gist of it comes through. (rest could be good). stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C231BF.53A741A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect

3) One point of view might say that using a bunch of EDP = editing
functions to chop up a loop actually represents a PURER = form of looping
than does a system that applies serious processing or ef= fects to the
loop.  The reason I say this is that things like re= verb, pitch
modulation, pitch shifting, or other processing aren't r= eally part of
"looping," per se - they're electronic treatme= nts applied to sound. 

** of course, one could say that the type of looping that= is being discussed here is an "electronic treatment" (or manipul= ation of sound). in that it *affects* (or _effects_, if you prefer) the _or= iginal_ sound.

in the instance being discussed, it seems that the edp (o= r other advanced looper) is *not* creating the initial sound (as a trumpet = would), but rather re-contextualizing it.

to me this is not a _big deal_ (in the sense of a debate = about what is an effect and what isn't). it sorta gets into the same concep= tual gray area of whether or not a dj is a musician, ya know?

if one extrapolates from the idea of the instrument creat= ing the sound, it may mean that the "advanced" looping device is = really more of a compositional tool than it is an instrument unto itself. <= /FONT>

for example: the instruments in an orchestra make their d= iscrete sounds (or a solo instrument for a solo piece). the composer takes&= nbsp; the musical material (notes, etc.) and then also applies timbral effe= cts (mutes, bow/breath/lip techniques) and deals with form, slicing and dic= ing motives, etc.

well, not very well articulated, but maybe the gist of it= comes through.

(rest could be good).

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C231BF.53A741A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 17:09:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12605; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:08:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:08:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:07:52 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020f01c231c3$d7cdfce0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000001c231bf$3aa4d230$0601a8c0@SATAN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i gave no definition of effect. in fact i am refusing to define, especially at the rough borders. i have played trumpet for many years, so i don't need to tell a brass player to try it for me. believe me, the instrument doesn't just make lip buzz sound "nicer" or "more focused on a single frequency." this is somewhat like saying an organ just makes key click sound nicer... i agree that the players body is more part of the equation in brass (and all winds, really) than in string and percussion instruments.... hmmm, "...something to this effect..." was an intentional pun? good one, either way... > If you tell a brass player to "blow his instrument" and then take the > instrument away, what you will hear is "melodic sound" generated by the lips > vibrating in the stream of air. If you add the instrument, the sound is > louder and more focused on a single frequency and sounds what most people > will call "nicer", but this is actually well-consistent with the definition > of an "effect" you gave... > > Mind you, I chose the trombone (or any brass instrument) here for a reason - > your "the instrument does generate sound" point would be valid for about any > other instrument I can think of at the moment (except for blowing a comb or > singing onto a timpano or something to this effect)... > > Rainer > > > > actually, this doesn't make sense. > > a brass instrument does generate sound. > > though the lip is part of the equation, the instrument doesn't just > > amplify lip buzz... > > > > > > there will always be a distinction blur between effect and instrument. > > is a wah pedal an effect? > > how about the guitar amp? > > good luck being consistent on the hairy edge... > > > > "Nothing is intrinsically good or evil, but its usage may > > make it so." - St. Thomas Aquinas > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 17:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14099; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:27:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:27:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:26:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <020f01c231c3$d7cdfce0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well here is my thinking(?) on this subject. i know there have been alotta folks waiting w/ baited breath :-) i give credit to my mentor and friend jim thomas of for getting me on this path of thinking: i look at my setup holistically-it has to do w/ using all the *gear together* to get a certain sound. it is a whole system,integrative,balanced and natural.it is hard work to get a sound and this thinking helps me keep it all interconnected. whether is a frazzled thought in my head,a loop going right(or left or wrong) or the rattling of speaker its all the same thing s > i gave no definition of effect. in fact i am refusing to define, especially > at the rough borders. > > i have played trumpet for many years, so i don't need to tell a brass player > to try it for me. believe me, the instrument doesn't just make lip buzz sound > "nicer" > or "more focused on a single frequency." this is somewhat like saying an > organ > just makes key click sound nicer... > > i agree that the players body is more part of the equation in brass (and all > winds, really) > than in string and percussion instruments.... > > hmmm, "...something to this effect..." was an intentional pun? > good one, either way... > > > > >> If you tell a brass player to "blow his instrument" and then take the >> instrument away, what you will hear is "melodic sound" generated by the lips >> vibrating in the stream of air. If you add the instrument, the sound is >> louder and more focused on a single frequency and sounds what most people >> will call "nicer", but this is actually well-consistent with the definition >> of an "effect" you gave... >> >> Mind you, I chose the trombone (or any brass instrument) here for a reason - >> your "the instrument does generate sound" point would be valid for about any >> other instrument I can think of at the moment (except for blowing a comb or >> singing onto a timpano or something to this effect)... >> >> Rainer >> >> >>> actually, this doesn't make sense. >>> a brass instrument does generate sound. >>> though the lip is part of the equation, the instrument doesn't just >>> amplify lip buzz... >>> >>> >>> there will always be a distinction blur between effect and instrument. >>> is a wah pedal an effect? >>> how about the guitar amp? >>> good luck being consistent on the hairy edge... >>> >>> "Nothing is intrinsically good or evil, but its usage may >>> make it so." - St. Thomas Aquinas >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 17:40:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15224; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:39:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:39:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE3A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:38:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C231C8.0F81F2F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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i look at my setup holistically-it has to do w/ using all= the *gear
together* to get a certain sound. it is a whole system,i= ntegrative,balanced
and natural.it is hard work to get a sound and this thin= king helps me keep
it all interconnected.
whether is a frazzled thought in my head,a loop going ri= ght(or left or
wrong) or the rattling of speaker its all the same thing=


** this makes a lot of sense to me. the whole thing is th= e instrument. (i sorta joke that with all my pedals and such, i'm really do= ing more of a modular synth thing with the bass being the tone generation t= han anything else . . . )

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C231C8.0F81F2F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 17:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16231; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722113548.02d29af8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:53:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <000601c23195$96151f50$0601a8c0@SATAN> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722014223.00ae8fd8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:36 AM 7/22/2002, Rainer Straschill wrote: >just to make sure I get this correctly: if the distortion does come (as in >my case) from a FireworX or (what lots of guitarists might prefer) from a >Line6 distortion modeler, the effect turns into an "active" effect in you >vocabulary because then I can use one (or several) pedals to realtime-affect >the parameters? No, just because you have the potential to use it as an instrument doesn't mean that you will or do. (most don't.) It requires you to actually interact with it musically and physically for that to happen. Do you? Otherwise, the processor is just sitting there, passively doing its thing. The transfer functions are loaded into the signal path and not changing, just passively transforming the sound according to their rules. You are not actively involved and not manipulating or modifying that transfer function in any active way. For me, that is what distinguishes something as an instrument. Your use of it is interactive, not passive. When you choose to make it interactive, then it starts to become more of an instrument. >And what about dynamic-sensitive effects? Playing them can be a "constant >musical manipulation" (as in some possibilities with the Vortex or even >weirder processors)? Again, it's how you use it. If you have dynamics mapped into some control of the sounds and you are actively manipulating that control in a musical way by changing dynamics of your playing, then I would call that a musical instrument. However, you could look at a limiter as a device using the same technical concept for its operation. It uses dynamics as a control on overall levels, probably to prevent clipping somewhere. Mostly people just turn it on and it sits there doing its thing without active musical interaction from the musician. I would not call that a musical instrument, I would call it an effect. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 18:00:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18050; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:59:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:59:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722145548.01fe7bd0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:00:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <3D3C585B.4816F68C@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721234727.00ab0330@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020722014223.00ae8fd8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:09 PM 7/22/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > except for wah wah pedals, most people >don't "perform" the effect much, but a lot of that is changing now that >manufacturers are putting realtime control built into many of their devices. >Digitech hardly makes a guitar effect that doesn't have a built in >pedal. This >is sweet, IMO. Saves me the trouble of having to duct tape effects boxes >to my >guitar. (which does have a certain charm, though) Is that something new? Seems to me there were always devices around that offered interesting ways to control them musically. I think there was a period about 10 years ago where rack processors tended to bury everything behind opaque menus with limited real-time control, which users tended to reject. So things just went back to how they used to be with more knobs, sliders, buttons, etc. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 18:47:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20955; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:47:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:47:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c231d1$bca43840$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3D3C5590.606FEE65@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:47:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" > I'm not sure how you can say this. It's generally accepted that "delay" > is an effect, no? I've got a ton of gear that lists the type of effects > and "delay" is usually one of them. Is a loop not essentially a long > delay with a 100% feedback? I think we call them "effects" because we've learned to do so. If I have a trombone player in a room, and the room's structured in such a way as to get great depth to the sound the trombone player makes, is he also playing the room as well as his instrument? Would baffles on the ceiling be "effects"? Perhaps, if we bought the baffles in boxes marked "effects". We've learned that a loop can be produced by having a delay unit - or a pair of revoxes for that matter - with a several-second length; but is the loop ultimately the FX unit, or is it the sound that's produced. > Don't think that I don't agree that we're on some slippery ground. I > think the minute you take the acoustic phenomena of a string vibration, > and apply a transformer and an amplifier on it, you've got an effect. > You've *changed* the sound in a way. Again, it allows you to use > technique in a different way than without it. Thankfully it's still in the realm of inference, style, magic, whatever intangible bit one wishes to hang on it. I prefer not to define what I'm doing in terms of the effects I use - they're after all only a means to an end result for me. Loop as technical construct, within which I place sounds; Loop as composition tool; Loop as something perhaps the audience doesn't completely understand, but they like it. It's late and I'm full of Day-Night cold medicine. Whee! > I also don't understand where you draw the line between effect and > music. To me it seems like one long continuum, starting with the effect > of the string vibrating (insert favorite oscillation here) when struck > in some way. So there, you've manipulated reality. Then you put a > magnet on it and get it to change the way electrons are behaving, then > you.... It really becomes one big mess. A fun mess! I agree - it's a continuum in which we all work, at different places. Some time ago I came to understand that putting extraordinary objects onto a piano's wires made a "piano" into a "modified piano". I thought this pretty funny-sounding, and wondered what it would sound like if, instead of forks and other objects, I put a plugged-in Osterizer, running on high. What the heck would it sound like then? I dunno, but it'd be interesting at least. I wouldn't want to do that to my piano (if I had one). Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! > is both effect has effect and is music. no? i think so. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > > i have heared many time. > > probably before did you. > > is good! > > has effect! > > but is not effect. is music. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 18:52:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21421; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:51:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:51:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.b6c1994.2a6de664@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:51:16 EDT Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: >sort of like karaoke. gawd, how i love karaoke..... d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 19:08:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23806; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c231e4$5d342c40$c756fea9@plainjane> From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: EDP Problem Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:00:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <031itD.A.ezF.8AJP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an EDP with Loop IV. I installed the software about a month ago and everything was working fine but just over the weekend I have had some troubles. When I intially power up the EDP will cycle through its LOOP 4 screen two to three times before allowing me to enter the actually looping screen (for lack of a better term the screen where your loop time appears). It used to never take that long just one cycle through. Also when I press the parameter button in order to modify the settings it won't let me cycle through Timing, Keys, Midi and Loops. It usually gets stuck bouncing between Timing and Keys (with each press of the Parameter button) and will rarely cycle all the way through allowing me to get back to the "actual loop screen". I usually just half to shut it down and power back up. I have tried resetting the EDP by holding down the Parameters button but that doesn't help. It's really strange all this started happening when I was trying to send midi CC commands from my Behringer FCB1010 through my MOTU Midi Timepiece II to my Eclipse to change programs up and down. All of my midi gear is routed through my Timepiece but it has been setup like this for almost half a year and no problems. Also my EDP is set to listen to notes and is on Midi CH#4 and my Eclipse is on Midi CH#5. Are these errors I'm receiving just a coincidence or do they have a direct correlation to the CC commands I sent to my Eclipse. Any ideas? thanks, Kevin ----- www.brothersean.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 19:30:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25095; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:30:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:30:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3C94E4.7080703@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:27:32 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722123138.02e74c40@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > if that is all you do with looping, then yes, for you loops are just > an effect. You would not be interacting with it at all, just using it > as accompaniment. sort of like karaoke. If that's all you do with looping, then yes, for you, Kim, loops are just an effect. As for myself, I honestly believe that if I am listening to a loop that I just captured and playing in response to that loop, then I am interacting with it. To my thinking, there is really only one effect and there is only one instrument and they are both the same, your mind. Use it well and the rest falls into place one way or another. Kevin CC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 19:50:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26399; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:49:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:49:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c231da$d098c6a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722123138.02e74c40@loopers-delight.com> <3D3C94E4.7080703@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:52:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this bandwidth... With honest and all due respect to everyone of you fine performers and great minds.... Who cares? I'll just play, and leave all of the labeling to you Berklee grads :) Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 20:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29315; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:14:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:14:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722170528.0334ae68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:14:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Problem In-Reply-To: <00e601c231e4$5d342c40$c756fea9@plainjane> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does it work if you disconnect it from MIDI? Sounds to me like you might have a midi loop somehow. At 06:00 PM 7/22/2002, Brother Sean wrote: >I have an EDP with Loop IV. I installed the software about a month ago and >everything was working fine but just over the weekend I have had some >troubles. When I intially power up the EDP will cycle through its LOOP 4 >screen two to three times before allowing me to enter the actually looping >screen (for lack of a better term the screen where your loop time appears). we usually call that "reset" when you haven't recorded any loop yet. Or we call it the "play state" or "play mode." >It used to never take that long just one cycle through. I'm not sure if I understood exactly what you are seeing, but normally the "Loop 4" zips by on the display 3 times at boot up, then stops and steps off the display, then shows the version, and goes to the reset state. Are you saying that it is repeating all of this sequence several times? If it is repeatedly rebooting itself at power up, there may be some hardware problem. It could be something simple, like the memory or rom sockets got dirty or a little corroded. Reseating the roms and the memory might clear it up. >Also when I press the parameter button in order to modify the settings it >won't let me cycle through Timing, Keys, Midi and Loops. It usually gets >stuck bouncing between Timing and Keys (with each press of the Parameter >button) and will rarely cycle all the way through allowing me to get back to >the "actual loop screen". I usually just half to shut it down and power back >up. I have tried resetting the EDP by holding down the Parameters button but >that doesn't help. > >It's really strange all this started happening when I was trying to send >midi CC commands from my Behringer FCB1010 through my MOTU Midi Timepiece >II to my Eclipse to change programs up and down. All of my midi gear is >routed through my Timepiece but it has been setup like this for almost half >a year and no problems. Also my EDP is set to listen to notes and is on Midi >CH#4 and my Eclipse is on Midi CH#5. Are these errors I'm receiving just a >coincidence or do they have a direct correlation to the CC commands I sent >to my Eclipse. Any ideas? If they are really on different channels it should be ok, but your problem smells a little like a midi loop to me. see if the EDP works when disconnected from the midi stuff and debug from there. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 20:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29477; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:15:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:15:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hamnsoda@aol.com Message-ID: <137.117f3d37.2a6df9d7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:14:15 EDT Subject: Remove To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com remove me from this list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 20:26:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30589; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:26:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:26:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004901c231d1$bca43840$0201a8c0@eluk> References: <3D3C5590.606FEE65@zerocrossing.net> <004901c231d1$bca43840$0201a8c0@eluk> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:25:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I wondered what it would sound like if, instead of forks >and other objects, I put a plugged-in Osterizer, running on high. What the >heck would it sound like then? I dunno, but it'd be interesting at least. >I wouldn't want to do that to my piano (if I had one). My ex-roommate played a piano with a chainsaw until it was reduced to dust. It sounded pretty cool. The chainsaw has nothing to do with our no longer being roommates. She just didn't like all my electronics. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 20:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30943; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:28:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:28:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:27:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17f.b6c1994.2a6de664@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > >> sort of like karaoke. > gawd, how i love karaoke..... > d > ~no U dont~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 20:55:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32425; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE3A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE3A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:53:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:38 PM -0400 7/22/02, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >** this makes a lot of sense to me. the whole thing is the >instrument. (i sorta joke that with all my pedals and such, i'm >really doing more of a modular synth thing with the bass being the >tone generation than anything else . . . ) Indeed. One world, one love, one piece of gear. (from a sign in the closet at Hyde Street Studios ca. 1982). I also include recording and editing equipment in the big modular instrument loop. To me looping is sort of live multitrack production, like effects manipulation is sort of live luthiery. The instrument/effect distinction being discussed seems to have more to do with the how than the what. ever. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 21:14:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02395; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:13:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:13:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012401c231f5$efa7df20$c756fea9@plainjane> From: "Brother Sean" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722170528.0334ae68@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP Problem Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:06:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried that, I isolated it from midi but it still did the same thing. That made me really worried... thanks for your help Kim! kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Re: EDP Problem > Does it work if you disconnect it from MIDI? Sounds to me like you might > have a midi loop somehow. > > At 06:00 PM 7/22/2002, Brother Sean wrote: > >I have an EDP with Loop IV. I installed the software about a month ago and > >everything was working fine but just over the weekend I have had some > >troubles. When I intially power up the EDP will cycle through its LOOP 4 > >screen two to three times before allowing me to enter the actually looping > >screen (for lack of a better term the screen where your loop time appears). > > we usually call that "reset" when you haven't recorded any loop yet. Or we > call it the "play state" or "play mode." > > >It used to never take that long just one cycle through. > > I'm not sure if I understood exactly what you are seeing, but normally the > "Loop 4" zips by on the display 3 times at boot up, then stops and steps > off the display, then shows the version, and goes to the reset state. Are > you saying that it is repeating all of this sequence several times? If it > is repeatedly rebooting itself at power up, there may be some hardware > problem. It could be something simple, like the memory or rom sockets got > dirty or a little corroded. Reseating the roms and the memory might clear > it up. > > >Also when I press the parameter button in order to modify the settings it > >won't let me cycle through Timing, Keys, Midi and Loops. It usually gets > >stuck bouncing between Timing and Keys (with each press of the Parameter > >button) and will rarely cycle all the way through allowing me to get back to > >the "actual loop screen". I usually just half to shut it down and power back > >up. I have tried resetting the EDP by holding down the Parameters button but > >that doesn't help. > > > >It's really strange all this started happening when I was trying to send > >midi CC commands from my Behringer FCB1010 through my MOTU Midi Timepiece > >II to my Eclipse to change programs up and down. All of my midi gear is > >routed through my Timepiece but it has been setup like this for almost half > >a year and no problems. Also my EDP is set to listen to notes and is on Midi > >CH#4 and my Eclipse is on Midi CH#5. Are these errors I'm receiving just a > >coincidence or do they have a direct correlation to the CC commands I sent > >to my Eclipse. Any ideas? > > If they are really on different channels it should be ok, but your problem > smells a little like a midi loop to me. see if the EDP works when > disconnected from the midi stuff and debug from there. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 21:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03422; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:28:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:28:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012a01c231f8$05cf0920$c756fea9@plainjane> From: "Brother Sean" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722170528.0334ae68@loopers-delight.com> <012401c231f5$efa7df20$c756fea9@plainjane> Subject: Re: EDP Problem Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:21:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I disconnected the EDP from midi, powered up and so far this is what has happened: (Loop 4 zips by three times and then the version # 1.1 shows) x 16 and counting. I think my EDP is getting sicker... kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brother Sean" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: Re: EDP Problem > I tried that, I isolated it from midi but it still did the same thing. That > made me really worried... > > thanks for your help Kim! > kevin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: EDP Problem > > > > Does it work if you disconnect it from MIDI? Sounds to me like you might > > have a midi loop somehow. > > > > At 06:00 PM 7/22/2002, Brother Sean wrote: > > >I have an EDP with Loop IV. I installed the software about a month ago > and > > >everything was working fine but just over the weekend I have had some > > >troubles. When I intially power up the EDP will cycle through its LOOP 4 > > >screen two to three times before allowing me to enter the actually > looping > > >screen (for lack of a better term the screen where your loop time > appears). > > > > we usually call that "reset" when you haven't recorded any loop yet. Or we > > call it the "play state" or "play mode." > > > > >It used to never take that long just one cycle through. > > > > I'm not sure if I understood exactly what you are seeing, but normally the > > "Loop 4" zips by on the display 3 times at boot up, then stops and steps > > off the display, then shows the version, and goes to the reset state. Are > > you saying that it is repeating all of this sequence several times? If it > > is repeatedly rebooting itself at power up, there may be some hardware > > problem. It could be something simple, like the memory or rom sockets got > > dirty or a little corroded. Reseating the roms and the memory might clear > > it up. > > > > >Also when I press the parameter button in order to modify the settings it > > >won't let me cycle through Timing, Keys, Midi and Loops. It usually gets > > >stuck bouncing between Timing and Keys (with each press of the Parameter > > >button) and will rarely cycle all the way through allowing me to get back > to > > >the "actual loop screen". I usually just half to shut it down and power > back > > >up. I have tried resetting the EDP by holding down the Parameters button > but > > >that doesn't help. > > > > > >It's really strange all this started happening when I was trying to send > > >midi CC commands from my Behringer FCB1010 through my MOTU Midi > Timepiece > > >II to my Eclipse to change programs up and down. All of my midi gear is > > >routed through my Timepiece but it has been setup like this for almost > half > > >a year and no problems. Also my EDP is set to listen to notes and is on > Midi > > >CH#4 and my Eclipse is on Midi CH#5. Are these errors I'm receiving just > a > > >coincidence or do they have a direct correlation to the CC commands I > sent > > >to my Eclipse. Any ideas? > > > > If they are really on different channels it should be ok, but your problem > > smells a little like a midi loop to me. see if the EDP works when > > disconnected from the midi stuff and debug from there. > > > > kim > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 21:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03924; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:31:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c231e8$8aa8fee0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722170528.0334ae68@loopers-delight.com> <012401c231f5$efa7df20$c756fea9@plainjane> <012a01c231f8$05cf0920$c756fea9@plainjane> Subject: Re: EDP Problem Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:30:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suggest re-seating the ROM chips- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 21:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05518; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:52:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:52:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013801c231fb$57dc4180$c756fea9@plainjane> From: "Brother Sean" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722170528.0334ae68@loopers-delight.com> <012401c231f5$efa7df20$c756fea9@plainjane> <012a01c231f8$05cf0920$c756fea9@plainjane> Subject: Re: EDP Problem Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:45:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok I reset the ROM chips and powered back up depressing Parameter. The display reads all 8's, I've also gotten all 6's and I've gotten strange lines. Each time I receive one of these (8's, 6's or lines) I power down and real power up with Parameter held down. What does this mean? kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brother Sean" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: EDP Problem > I disconnected the EDP from midi, powered up and so far this is what has > happened: > > (Loop 4 zips by three times and then the version # 1.1 shows) x 16 and > counting. I think my EDP is getting sicker... > > kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brother Sean" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: EDP Problem > > > > I tried that, I isolated it from midi but it still did the same thing. > That > > made me really worried... > > > > thanks for your help Kim! > > kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Flint" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:14 PM > > Subject: Re: EDP Problem > > > > > > > Does it work if you disconnect it from MIDI? Sounds to me like you might > > > have a midi loop somehow. > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 7/22/2002, Brother Sean wrote: > > > >I have an EDP with Loop IV. I installed the software about a month ago > > and > > > >everything was working fine but just over the weekend I have had some > > > >troubles. When I intially power up the EDP will cycle through its LOOP > 4 > > > >screen two to three times before allowing me to enter the actually > > looping > > > >screen (for lack of a better term the screen where your loop time > > appears). > > > > > > we usually call that "reset" when you haven't recorded any loop yet. Or > we > > > call it the "play state" or "play mode." > > > > > > >It used to never take that long just one cycle through. > > > > > > I'm not sure if I understood exactly what you are seeing, but normally > the > > > "Loop 4" zips by on the display 3 times at boot up, then stops and steps > > > off the display, then shows the version, and goes to the reset state. > Are > > > you saying that it is repeating all of this sequence several times? If > it > > > is repeatedly rebooting itself at power up, there may be some hardware > > > problem. It could be something simple, like the memory or rom sockets > got > > > dirty or a little corroded. Reseating the roms and the memory might > clear > > > it up. > > > > > > >Also when I press the parameter button in order to modify the settings > it > > > >won't let me cycle through Timing, Keys, Midi and Loops. It usually > gets > > > >stuck bouncing between Timing and Keys (with each press of the > Parameter > > > >button) and will rarely cycle all the way through allowing me to get > back > > to > > > >the "actual loop screen". I usually just half to shut it down and power > > back > > > >up. I have tried resetting the EDP by holding down the Parameters > button > > but > > > >that doesn't help. > > > > > > > >It's really strange all this started happening when I was trying to > send > > > >midi CC commands from my Behringer FCB1010 through my MOTU Midi > > Timepiece > > > >II to my Eclipse to change programs up and down. All of my midi gear is > > > >routed through my Timepiece but it has been setup like this for almost > > half > > > >a year and no problems. Also my EDP is set to listen to notes and is on > > Midi > > > >CH#4 and my Eclipse is on Midi CH#5. Are these errors I'm receiving > just > > a > > > >coincidence or do they have a direct correlation to the CC commands I > > sent > > > >to my Eclipse. Any ideas? > > > > > > If they are really on different channels it should be ok, but your > problem > > > smells a little like a midi loop to me. see if the EDP works when > > > disconnected from the midi stuff and debug from there. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 21:54:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05883; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:54:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:54:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020722185145.00bc4f20@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:55:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: EDP Problem In-Reply-To: <012a01c231f8$05cf0920$c756fea9@plainjane> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722170528.0334ae68@loopers-delight.com> <012401c231f5$efa7df20$c756fea9@plainjane> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1IjFFB.A.HbB.DdLP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin, try this: Give a good smack to the side of your rack, cycle the power, and see if it helps any. I had this same problem for months (usually solved successfully by the aforementioned technique), and it turned out that the RAM and EPROM chips needed to be removed and have their contacts cleaned. I guess that little bit of a jostle must have done just enough to get them working each time. -Hans At 20:21 22/07/2002, you wrote: > I disconnected the EDP from midi, powered up and so far this is what has >happened: > >(Loop 4 zips by three times and then the version # 1.1 shows) x 16 and >counting. I think my EDP is getting sicker... > >kevin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brother Sean" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:06 PM >Subject: Re: EDP Problem > > > > I tried that, I isolated it from midi but it still did the same thing. >That > > made me really worried... > > > > thanks for your help Kim! > > kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Flint" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:14 PM > > Subject: Re: EDP Problem > > > > > > > Does it work if you disconnect it from MIDI? Sounds to me like you might > > > have a midi loop somehow. > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 7/22/2002, Brother Sean wrote: > > > >I have an EDP with Loop IV. I installed the software about a month ago > > and > > > >everything was working fine but just over the weekend I have had some > > > >troubles. When I intially power up the EDP will cycle through its LOOP >4 > > > >screen two to three times before allowing me to enter the actually > > looping > > > >screen (for lack of a better term the screen where your loop time > > appears). > > > > > > we usually call that "reset" when you haven't recorded any loop yet. Or >we > > > call it the "play state" or "play mode." > > > > > > >It used to never take that long just one cycle through. > > > > > > I'm not sure if I understood exactly what you are seeing, but normally >the > > > "Loop 4" zips by on the display 3 times at boot up, then stops and steps > > > off the display, then shows the version, and goes to the reset state. >Are > > > you saying that it is repeating all of this sequence several times? If >it > > > is repeatedly rebooting itself at power up, there may be some hardware > > > problem. It could be something simple, like the memory or rom sockets >got > > > dirty or a little corroded. Reseating the roms and the memory might >clear > > > it up. > > > > > > >Also when I press the parameter button in order to modify the settings >it > > > >won't let me cycle through Timing, Keys, Midi and Loops. It usually >gets > > > >stuck bouncing between Timing and Keys (with each press of the >Parameter > > > >button) and will rarely cycle all the way through allowing me to get >back > > to > > > >the "actual loop screen". I usually just half to shut it down and power > > back > > > >up. I have tried resetting the EDP by holding down the Parameters >button > > but > > > >that doesn't help. > > > > > > > >It's really strange all this started happening when I was trying to >send > > > >midi CC commands from my Behringer FCB1010 through my MOTU Midi > > Timepiece > > > >II to my Eclipse to change programs up and down. All of my midi gear is > > > >routed through my Timepiece but it has been setup like this for almost > > half > > > >a year and no problems. Also my EDP is set to listen to notes and is on > > Midi > > > >CH#4 and my Eclipse is on Midi CH#5. Are these errors I'm receiving >just > > a > > > >coincidence or do they have a direct correlation to the CC commands I > > sent > > > >to my Eclipse. Any ideas? > > > > > > If they are really on different channels it should be ok, but your >problem > > > smells a little like a midi loop to me. see if the EDP works when > > > disconnected from the midi stuff and debug from there. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 22:11:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09024; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3CBAFC.31BEA86E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:10:06 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Problem References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722170528.0334ae68@loopers-delight.com> <012401c231f5$efa7df20$c756fea9@plainjane> <012a01c231f8$05cf0920$c756fea9@plainjane> <000701c231e8$8aa8fee0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did notice the first time I started my EDP, it went through it's little boot process then I got a blank screen. Wouldn't do anything. I restarted it, then it seemed fine. Goes through the LOOP3 v5 screen twice. Could I have something wrong? Didn't have a huge amount of time to play with it yet. I'd be working with it now, if stupid Powerpoint would run sorneson compressed quick time video. That's another story... Mark Sottilaro Clifford Novey wrote: > I suggest re-seating the ROM chips- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 22:41:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11816; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014801c23202$16a17a80$c756fea9@plainjane> From: "Brother Sean" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722170528.0334ae68@loopers-delight.com> <012401c231f5$efa7df20$c756fea9@plainjane> <012a01c231f8$05cf0920$c756fea9@plainjane> Subject: Re: EDP Problem (solved) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:33:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-qdHr.A.juC.cIMP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com VICTORY! Ok so I opened my EDP back up and reseated everything (the first time I just reseated the E-Proms) and she's as good as new. Thanks fellows, this community is truly amazing in many ways! kevin ---- www.brothersean.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brother Sean" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: EDP Problem > I disconnected the EDP from midi, powered up and so far this is what has > happened: > > (Loop 4 zips by three times and then the version # 1.1 shows) x 16 and > counting. I think my EDP is getting sicker... > > kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brother Sean" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: EDP Problem > > > > I tried that, I isolated it from midi but it still did the same thing. > That > > made me really worried... > > > > thanks for your help Kim! > > kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Flint" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:14 PM > > Subject: Re: EDP Problem > > > > > > > Does it work if you disconnect it from MIDI? Sounds to me like you might > > > have a midi loop somehow. > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 7/22/2002, Brother Sean wrote: > > > >I have an EDP with Loop IV. I installed the software about a month ago > > and > > > >everything was working fine but just over the weekend I have had some > > > >troubles. When I intially power up the EDP will cycle through its LOOP > 4 > > > >screen two to three times before allowing me to enter the actually > > looping > > > >screen (for lack of a better term the screen where your loop time > > appears). > > > > > > we usually call that "reset" when you haven't recorded any loop yet. Or > we > > > call it the "play state" or "play mode." > > > > > > >It used to never take that long just one cycle through. > > > > > > I'm not sure if I understood exactly what you are seeing, but normally > the > > > "Loop 4" zips by on the display 3 times at boot up, then stops and steps > > > off the display, then shows the version, and goes to the reset state. > Are > > > you saying that it is repeating all of this sequence several times? If > it > > > is repeatedly rebooting itself at power up, there may be some hardware > > > problem. It could be something simple, like the memory or rom sockets > got > > > dirty or a little corroded. Reseating the roms and the memory might > clear > > > it up. > > > > > > >Also when I press the parameter button in order to modify the settings > it > > > >won't let me cycle through Timing, Keys, Midi and Loops. It usually > gets > > > >stuck bouncing between Timing and Keys (with each press of the > Parameter > > > >button) and will rarely cycle all the way through allowing me to get > back > > to > > > >the "actual loop screen". I usually just half to shut it down and power > > back > > > >up. I have tried resetting the EDP by holding down the Parameters > button > > but > > > >that doesn't help. > > > > > > > >It's really strange all this started happening when I was trying to > send > > > >midi CC commands from my Behringer FCB1010 through my MOTU Midi > > Timepiece > > > >II to my Eclipse to change programs up and down. All of my midi gear is > > > >routed through my Timepiece but it has been setup like this for almost > > half > > > >a year and no problems. Also my EDP is set to listen to notes and is on > > Midi > > > >CH#4 and my Eclipse is on Midi CH#5. Are these errors I'm receiving > just > > a > > > >coincidence or do they have a direct correlation to the CC commands I > > sent > > > >to my Eclipse. Any ideas? > > > > > > If they are really on different channels it should be ok, but your > problem > > > smells a little like a midi loop to me. see if the EDP works when > > > disconnected from the midi stuff and debug from there. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 23:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14718; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:06:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:06:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: EDP Problem Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:05:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c231f5$cd5d5670$3e2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D3CBAFC.31BEA86E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have also noticed that if for some reason, I turn the EDP off and on without waiting for, say 15 seconds, I get a flash of the LEDs and then nothing. Weird. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 23:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15788; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:25:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:25:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:24:41 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Problem (solved) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <014801c23202$16a17a80$c756fea9@plainjane> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <2RVZ5.A.-zD.7xMP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh man, I may have to do the same. I just started up the EDP and it went through it's boot process, got to a screen that said, "198 1l" and then did the whole thing over again. It's been OK since though. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 09:33 PM, Brother Sean wrote: > VICTORY! > Ok so I opened my EDP back up and reseated everything (the first time I > just > reseated the E-Proms) and she's as good as new. > > Thanks fellows, this community is truly amazing in many ways! > > kevin > ---- > www.brothersean.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brother Sean" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: EDP Problem > > >> I disconnected the EDP from midi, powered up and so far this is what >> has >> happened: >> >> (Loop 4 zips by three times and then the version # 1.1 shows) x 16 and >> counting. I think my EDP is getting sicker... >> >> kevin >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brother Sean" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:06 PM >> Subject: Re: EDP Problem >> >> >>> I tried that, I isolated it from midi but it still did the same thing. >> That >>> made me really worried... >>> >>> thanks for your help Kim! >>> kevin >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kim Flint" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: EDP Problem >>> >>> >>>> Does it work if you disconnect it from MIDI? Sounds to me like you > might >>>> have a midi loop somehow. >>>> >>>> At 06:00 PM 7/22/2002, Brother Sean wrote: >>>>> I have an EDP with Loop IV. I installed the software about a month > ago >>> and >>>>> everything was working fine but just over the weekend I have had >>>>> some >>>>> troubles. When I intially power up the EDP will cycle through its > LOOP >> 4 >>>>> screen two to three times before allowing me to enter the actually >>> looping >>>>> screen (for lack of a better term the screen where your loop time >>> appears). >>>> >>>> we usually call that "reset" when you haven't recorded any loop yet. > Or >> we >>>> call it the "play state" or "play mode." >>>> >>>>> It used to never take that long just one cycle through. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure if I understood exactly what you are seeing, but >>>> normally >> the >>>> "Loop 4" zips by on the display 3 times at boot up, then stops and > steps >>>> off the display, then shows the version, and goes to the reset state. >> Are >>>> you saying that it is repeating all of this sequence several times? >>>> If >> it >>>> is repeatedly rebooting itself at power up, there may be some >>>> hardware >>>> problem. It could be something simple, like the memory or rom sockets >> got >>>> dirty or a little corroded. Reseating the roms and the memory might >> clear >>>> it up. >>>> >>>>> Also when I press the parameter button in order to modify the > settings >> it >>>>> won't let me cycle through Timing, Keys, Midi and Loops. It usually >> gets >>>>> stuck bouncing between Timing and Keys (with each press of the >> Parameter >>>>> button) and will rarely cycle all the way through allowing me to get >> back >>> to >>>>> the "actual loop screen". I usually just half to shut it down and > power >>> back >>>>> up. I have tried resetting the EDP by holding down the Parameters >> button >>> but >>>>> that doesn't help. >>>>> >>>>> It's really strange all this started happening when I was trying to >> send >>>>> midi CC commands from my Behringer FCB1010 through my MOTU Midi >>> Timepiece >>>>> II to my Eclipse to change programs up and down. All of my midi gear > is >>>>> routed through my Timepiece but it has been setup like this for > almost >>> half >>>>> a year and no problems. Also my EDP is set to listen to notes and is > on >>> Midi >>>>> CH#4 and my Eclipse is on Midi CH#5. Are these errors I'm receiving >> just >>> a >>>>> coincidence or do they have a direct correlation to the CC >>>>> commands I >>> sent >>>>> to my Eclipse. Any ideas? >>>> >>>> If they are really on different channels it should be ok, but your >> problem >>>> smells a little like a midi loop to me. see if the EDP works when >>>> disconnected from the midi stuff and debug from there. >>>> >>>> kim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>>> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 22 23:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16326; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:32:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:32:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c231fa$9e8a1630$75a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <000001c231f5$cd5d5670$3e2f04d1@home> Subject: Re: EDP Problem Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:39:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of start up LEDs, anybody besides me get a tad freaked first time you powered up Repeater, by how long it takes to show signs of life? I thought, "man, this is not getting any power..." I'm patient with it now... :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: RE: EDP Problem > I have also noticed that if for some reason, I turn the EDP off and on > without waiting for, say 15 seconds, I get a flash of the LEDs and then > nothing. Weird. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 00:44:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21162; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:44:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:44:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:43:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <8xzBoD.A.HKF.47NP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I don't know why, but I quickly figured out that when I went for a record function of note number 38, it was controlling parameters, which is 36! I set it to 40 instead, and there it was, recording like it's supposed to. Why 2 more? I have no idea. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 21, 2002, at 05:48 PM, stations@cinci.rr.com wrote: > Thanks. > > Actually I had already added the 36 into the equation. > > I had control source set to not, I just tried setting it to cont > instead but > it still didn't work. > > I did have the behringer set to note. > > There must be something simple I am missing. > > > Footswitch #2 = overdub original note 2 + 36 = 38 > > Footswitch #3 = reverse original note 3 + 36 = 39 > > Footswitch #4 = 1/2 speed original note 13 + 36 = 49 > > Footswitch #5 = substitute original note 12+ 36 = 48 > > Footswitch #6 = multiply original note 4 + 36= 40 > > Footswitch #7 = insert original note 5 + 36= 41 > > Footswitch #8 = mute original note 6 + 36= 42 > > Footswitch #9 = undo original note 7 + 36= 43 > > Footswitch #10 = next loop original note 8 + 36= 44 > > > >> try using cont instead of not > >> check page 11 of the fcb manual and make sure "note" >> is selected. i think using control changes might be a >> touch easier. that's what i use with my all access >> and it's a breeze to configure. >> >> -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 01:32:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25878; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020722232220.00966e80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:22:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: How do I get? In-Reply-To: <1027331430.1376.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff, personally, I tend to use fades quite a bit. -Fading from one musical idea into the next. -Making subtle, or not so subtle musical and timbral changes to make smooth yet noticable transitions. If I'm switching abruptly, from one loop to another, I tend to use loops of similar tone and texture or I might also cross fade between pre-recorded loops of similar musical idea. -Does this make sense? Smiles, G-Girl At 05:50 AM 7/22/02 -0400, you wrote: >I'm fairly new to looping and have been having more fun than I ought >with my EDP. After the first 90 minutes of jamming in my music room >(yes, I have a very cool girlfriend, too) I ask myself, how do I get >out? > >More specifically, what transitional elements do you use to move between >musical segments? > >Regards, >Jeff > > > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 01:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25882; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:31:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020722233144.00964e80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:31:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: off-list for a few hours... In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020722113338.02e9e508@loopers-delight.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20020721171719.0079a760@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <3NhZ7.A.sTG.foOP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, Kim actually did manage this one. He actually and fortunately resubscribed me before I was informed that I was off-list, and resubed myself. So I'm glad he was there to take care of it. Thanks bunches Kim... Smiles, CQ At 11:34 AM 7/22/02 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:23 AM 7/22/2002, you wrote: >> > Hi All, I've just resubscribed to LD after being >> > unsubed for a few hours it would seem because LD-request >> > was saying my address was bouncing too >> > many messages. -Not sure why this was, but >> > -Glad to be back!... >> >>Interesting...must have been some kind of glitch. The same thing happened >>to me. I was removed from the list due to "too many bounced messages." >>Wonder if we lost some other folks? > >I do actually manage the list here...such things get monitored and handled. >nobody was lost. >kim > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 01:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27193; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:57:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020722235745.00970ea0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:57:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <3D3C64B4.103FF106@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark said, "I think everything is just one big effect, right down to a genetic >level. Our genes inform matter how to become a human, and then it goes from >there." We are the idea of ourselves, in flesh... Are we the effect of the idea, or the instrument playing it? -I think we're both, -we're alive... Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 02:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30549; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:36:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:36:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:35:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <699D8AF8-9E06-11D6-9881-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, here's what I've figured out so far. You can control the basic functions of the EDP with the FCB1010. The FCB1010 is a weird little bugger to program, and I think I know where one might go wrong. Several times I started out programming the wrong pedal, confusing it with it's function (in program mode) it's a bit confusing, must stay focused and turn off the TV. No matter how easy it is to follow, Aqua Team Hunger Force could still trip up a delicate operation such as FCB1010. So I found that I had to add 2 to each MIDI note number to get it to work. Why? No idea. To tired to figure it out. It works. Also, I'm using the FCB1010 to control the Repeater and the EDP at the same time. Make sure you Globally set up the FCB1010 to transmit note info on a different channel than your EDP or wacky pitch bend madness will ensue. Now here's my beefs. Where the hell in the manual does it mention what the CC control numbers are that control the EDP? The manual is totally confusing. I keep getting this feeling that someone threw the pages up in the air and put them back together in what ever random fashion they landed in. I want to set up the EDP so it will automatically record 4 bars and then go into overdub, and although I know it can be done, I don't see it clearly described in the manual. No wonder the public clamors for a video tape. The manual needs a tutorial book to go along with it, as it seems mainly like a reference manual. Other than that, this thing is really sweet. Not sure if it would replace my Repeater though, as I'm already missing the stereo aspect, and while good, the fidelity of the EDP doesn't seem as good as the Repeater. On the other hand, I haven't even scratched the surface of this baby.... Mark Sottilaro On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 09:43 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, I don't know why, but I quickly figured out that when I went for a > record function of note number 38, it was controlling parameters, which > is 36! I set it to 40 instead, and there it was, recording like it's > supposed to. Why 2 more? I have no idea. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, July 21, 2002, at 05:48 PM, stations@cinci.rr.com wrote: > >> Thanks. >> >> Actually I had already added the 36 into the equation. >> >> I had control source set to not, I just tried setting it to cont >> instead but >> it still didn't work. >> >> I did have the behringer set to note. >> >> There must be something simple I am missing. >> >> >> Footswitch #2 = overdub original note 2 + 36 = 38 >> >> Footswitch #3 = reverse original note 3 + 36 = 39 >> >> Footswitch #4 = 1/2 speed original note 13 + 36 = 49 >> >> Footswitch #5 = substitute original note 12+ 36 = 48 >> >> Footswitch #6 = multiply original note 4 + 36= 40 >> >> Footswitch #7 = insert original note 5 + 36= 41 >> >> Footswitch #8 = mute original note 6 + 36= 42 >> >> Footswitch #9 = undo original note 7 + 36= 43 >> >> Footswitch #10 = next loop original note 8 + 36= 44 >> >> >> >>> try using cont instead of not >> >>> check page 11 of the fcb manual and make sure "note" >>> is selected. i think using control changes might be a >>> touch easier. that's what i use with my all access >>> and it's a breeze to configure. >>> >>> -jim >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 03:00:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32034; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:59:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:59:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020723065801.76312.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:58:01 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <699D8AF8-9E06-11D6-9881-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > OK, here's what I've figured out so far. > > > Now here's my beefs. Where the hell in the manual > does it mention what > the CC control numbers are that control the EDP? Knowing someone will correct me if I'm wrong........ I believe it follows the same principle as notes, the difference being that the source # would indicate a midi cc # instead of a midi note #. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 04:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06150; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:08:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:08:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c231ed$51ce7410$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020723065801.76312.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:04:44 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-X3zwD.A.FfB.r6QP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I believe it follows the same principle as notes, the difference being that the source # would indicate a midi cc # instead of a midi note #." true true true "Why 2 more? I have no idea." as long as the edp is set to 36, then it must be something in the behringer...maybe it's adding/subtracting an additional 2 in there, like it's starting on 2/-2. i get the impression that it's one confusing little fellow. "Where the hell in the manual..." it's brief...taking up maybe half a page. don't look for a paragraph, look for a short list. easy to overlook. look under "footpedals" or "midi". i don't think it's in the appendix. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 04:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06419; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:10:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:09:55 +0200 Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004b01c231da$d098c6a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: <926521A7-9E13-11D6-AD72-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 01:52 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > All this bandwidth... > With honest and all due respect to everyone of you fine performers and > great > minds.... > > Who cares? > > I'll just play, and leave all of the labeling to you Berklee grads :) > > Doug Likewise :) There is no right or wrong way at describing looping... only YOUR way, the way that works for YOU. Saying that, its been funny sitting back and reading the responses ;) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 04:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06687; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:13:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:13:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020723003358.020351d8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:13:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex In-Reply-To: <699D8AF8-9E06-11D6-9881-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8d3S8.A.ynB.mARP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:35 PM 7/22/2002, you wrote: >You can control the basic functions of the EDP with the FCB1010. The >FCB1010 is a weird little bugger to program, and I think I know where one >might go wrong. Several times I started out programming the wrong pedal, >confusing it with it's function (in program mode) it's a bit confusing, nice to know the behringer pedal works with the EDP, too bad that pedal is so confusing to program. >So I found that I had to add 2 to each MIDI note number to get it to >work. Why? No idea. do you have the Source# parameter of the EDP set to the default, 36? I can't understand why the behringer would be off by two. that is strange. >Now here's my beefs. Where the hell in the manual does it mention what >the CC control numbers are that control the EDP? bear in mind you are still using LoopIII, where the midi implementation is much simpler. you can use cc to control feedback and loop volume. The cc number used is set by the FeedBkCont and VolumeCont parameters respectively, in the midi row. Otherwise, you choose whether you want notes or cc messages to be used for the main function controls, using controlsource parameter as you already are. With the behringer pedal we've already established that cc doesn't work for this. >The manual is totally confusing. I keep getting this feeling that someone >threw the pages up in the air and put them back together in what ever >random fashion they landed in. William Burroughs wrote the EDP manual, maybe that wasn't such a good idea. I've actually just started the project that will surely drive me mad, revising the EDP manual. so feel free to overwhelm me with suggestions. > I want to set up the EDP so it will automatically record 4 bars and > then go into overdub, and although I know it can be done, I don't see it > clearly described in the manual. You're really gonna want LoopIV to do things like that, since that is where features like TempoSelect let you preset the tempo and the 8ths/cycle parameter has enough options to record things like you want. Are you syncing to midi clock or no? >No wonder the public clamors for a video tape. The manual needs a >tutorial book to go along with it, as it seems mainly like a reference manual. that's mainly what it is. >Other than that, this thing is really sweet. Not sure if it would replace >my Repeater though, a lot of people seem to be finding that one does not replace the other. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 04:24:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07965; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c231ef$95917d80$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <699D8AF8-9E06-11D6-9881-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:20:57 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com specifically: "reference 4-71" is where you'll find some midi information. 4-36, 4-84 could be potentially useful, as well. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 04:29:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09802; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:28:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:28:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c231f0$370fa740$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020723003358.020351d8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:25:28 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C231F8.97E89DD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C231F8.97E89DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "William Burroughs wrote the EDP manual" i would've guessed Ulysses-era Joyce... sorry, english major. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C231F8.97E89DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"William Burroughs wrote the EDP = manual"
 
i would've guessed Ulysses-era = Joyce...
 
sorry, english major.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C231F8.97E89DD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 04:36:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11350; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:35:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020723011733.02034318@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:36:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <926521A7-9E13-11D6-AD72-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <004b01c231da$d098c6a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:09 AM 7/23/2002, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >Saying that, its been funny sitting back and reading the responses ;) > I agree, even though I was writing some of them. it sure is easy to push some people's buttons. One thing I observed that I though was really odd: Why do people have such a desire to broaden the definition of words? If the definitions of words all overlap to the point where they lose their individual meaning and become interchangeable, you lose your ability to effectively communicate. The nuance of choosing one word over another is gone. Why do you want that? Let the words be distinct and hold clear meaning. If all the words begin to mean everything, than you won't be able to say anything at all. Strange, and this isn't the only place I notice this happening. I think Orwell was making that point in 2x4 fashion, he just got the year wrong. I'm becoming a word curmudgeon. Is this something that happens when you get older? If one more person tells me he is anxious when he is really eager, I'm giving him a fat lip. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 05:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14846; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:10:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:10:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "mamaSutra" To: Subject: Boomerang for sale Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:06:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C231ED.8C163130" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C231ED.8C163130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just ordered a Repeater and would like to sell my Boomerang. Anyone looking for one? Peace Russell russell@mamasutra.com ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C231ED.8C163130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just = ordered a=20 Repeater and would like to sell my Boomerang.
Anyone = looking for=20 one?
Peace
Russell
russell@mamasutra.com
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C231ED.8C163130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 05:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15804; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:26:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:26:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater sync question Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:24:29 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: <20020722193301.22557.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020722193301.22557.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200207231124.29558.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You *do* have MIDI sync selected on the Repeater, right? - Robert On Monday 22 July 2002 21:33, philip raath wrote: > i'm having trouble getting the repeater to sync > properly to my computer... > > the tempo from the sequencer is 151, but the repeater > keeps running at 147 w/ slight fluctuations (which i > understand as neccesary) > > before i was running the sequencer at 113 bpm, and the > repeater was running at 247! > > wierd...help? > > phil > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 05:55:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17717; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:55:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:55:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1a6.5870a46.2a6e81e1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:54:41 EDT Subject: Re: FCB1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I had trou= > ble=20 > programming the pedals for volume and feedback. I didn't find the CC # i= > n=20 > the book but I am sure I overlooked it somewhere as I haven't read the=20 > manual cover to cover sequentially. Can you steer me in the right directi= > on.=20 The expression pedals are programmable from the footswitches. So basically you have to program every switch that you are going to use if you want the pedals active all the time. MIDI channel for the pedals is set globally, as for the other FCB1010 "functions". So in the Beringer manual, setting the MIDI channel is on page 10. Programming the CC for the pedals is on page 13. The CC Numbers that the EDP expects are given in the VolumeCont and FeedBkCont parameters. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 09:31:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10072; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:30:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:30:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.123] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:29:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 13:29:13.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF721690:01C2324C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, Thanks, I saw a some of that information in some other posts and went home yesterday and tried programming the 1010 for notes instead of CC's and it worked great with the EDP. I even tried some of the new SUS commands and they worked great on the 1010! I was using the 1010 for the Repeater only for a long time and when I decided to try and eliminate the EDP pedal I programmed some CC's for the Edp. I didn't realize that the pedal source numbers were assignable seperately which is great too! I love using the EDP and the Repeater together. I am feeding them a signal from the new GNX3 and using the almost Jamman functions of that unit. It is a shame that the GNX3 will not sync via midi....:{ Thanks for the tips! I know I need to study the EDP manual more but I purchased too much gear last year and I am still studying manuals and documenting various approaches to sound creation....This list is a great source of inspiration using these tools! Thanks Everyone! I hope it never ends....;} Say Peace Y'all, Weg From: SoundFNR@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:54:41 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBF0672F9001040043254CFE4EE0906FF0; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:55:26 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17674;Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:54:55 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:56:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:54:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1a6.5870a46.2a6e81e1@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I had trou= > ble=20 > programming the pedals for volume and feedback. I didn't find the CC # i= > n=20 > the book but I am sure I overlooked it somewhere as I haven't read the=20 > manual cover to cover sequentially. Can you steer me in the right directi= > on.=20 The expression pedals are programmable from the footswitches. So basically you have to program every switch that you are going to use if you want the pedals active all the time. MIDI channel for the pedals is set globally, as for the other FCB1010 "functions". So in the Beringer manual, setting the MIDI channel is on page 10. Programming the CC for the pedals is on page 13. The CC Numbers that the EDP expects are given in the VolumeCont and FeedBkCont parameters. andy butler Weg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 10:37:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23783; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0AAB3406-9D3E-11D6-A003-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <0AAB3406-9D3E-11D6-A003-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:38:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I have seen really long fire wire cables for such things, if you are >interested. I can't imagine my music and my computer in separate >rooms, they are one! one with the fan noise ? It may not be so interesting for you, but in general I find the option of the long FireWire marvelous, it turns the 828 into a stage box! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 10:38:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23964; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:37:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:37:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020721234727.00ab0330@loopers-delight.com> References: <16f.10e2ed8f.2a6ce2e5@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020721234727.00ab0330@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:37:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very interesting thread ! Shure, the important is the result and categorizing is less nice than the "all is One feeling", but, as Kim points out, its fundamental for comunication. Names are inherent to things: Just because you sit on a table does not make it a chair. To sell a CD you need to select one section of the shop. As Kim suggests, the "all is One feeling" seems to be a characteristic of our era. You could explain it with astrology, but technology also brings it. I definitally want one of those still-and-camara-dictaphone-walkman-portable storage and documentation devices! What is it called? A computer does a lot more than "compute"... The "workstation" idea was too wide for musical tools... I observe that makers of catalogs dont know whether they should put the looping devices. We should help them. Of course, it would be nice to have a separate chapter called "looping tools", but I guess we are quite far from that. I suggest that small loop units like DL4 go to the pedal effects and big ones like the Repeater to the studio recording tools. It may not be a typical studio unit, but it has the characteristic of a recorder and nowadays most musicians use studio tools, too. Here is why: So here we treat the distinction Effect - Instrument - Recorder. (we are talking of "musical instrument" here, since most objects are instruments, somehow...) I tend to agree with Kims "an effect just sits there" definiton, but when you think about the interactivity: I control my effect units by pedal, so did all the wah pedalers for a long time. Also a AirFX is extremely interactive and they define it as "effect" themselves. If you play in a church, you play different, due to the acoustics, which is rather "effect" than "instrument" So its not the lack interactivity which defines "effect". Its interesting how the percussionists (in Brasil, at least) distinguish "instruments" and "effects": the ones they play continuous rhythms they call "instruments" (drums, bells, triangle,,,) and the ones that chime in every once in a while or rather paint, they call "effects" (chimes, whistles, rainstick,,,,) According to this, a random echo would be "effect", but not a rhythmic loop. In turn, even a constant drone traditionally comes from an instrument and has the musical function of an instrument, so it does not feel right to me to call any loop "effect". To call the loop gear "instrument" seems wrong also, since the instrument creates sound. Noone would call a tape recorder "instrument". "Composition tool" hits pretty exactly, but suggests some serious planning way of working which is not typical to users of loops. And its not handy. I prefer "Recorder" since soon we will hardly remember tapes and recording will be immediate and include. Also, the looping devices will become more multitracky and integrated in recording software... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 12:32:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32462; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:31:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:25:49 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02bf01c23266$651dcce0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004b01c231da$d098c6a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <5.1.1.6.2.20020723011733.02034318@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it seems to me that you are trying to stretch the meaning of the word "instrument." why would you want to do that? distinction blurs are common in concepts of sufficient complexity. i think they are even necessary. remember that in the center of yang is yin (and vis versa). it does bother me the way the word "valid" is thrown around. people should maybe be required by law to make some study of logic before they are allowed to use it... is it meat or is it cake? -george carlin > At 01:09 AM 7/23/2002, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > >Saying that, its been funny sitting back and reading the responses ;) > > > > I agree, even though I was writing some of them. it sure is easy to push > some people's buttons. > > One thing I observed that I though was really odd: Why do people have such > a desire to broaden the definition of words? If the definitions of words > all overlap to the point where they lose their individual meaning and > become interchangeable, you lose your ability to effectively communicate. > The nuance of choosing one word over another is gone. Why do you want that? > Let the words be distinct and hold clear meaning. If all the words begin to > mean everything, than you won't be able to say anything at all. Strange, > and this isn't the only place I notice this happening. I think Orwell was > making that point in 2x4 fashion, he just got the year wrong. > > I'm becoming a word curmudgeon. Is this something that happens when you get > older? If one more person tells me he is anxious when he is really eager, > I'm giving him a fat lip. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 12:44:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00594; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c23267$ef02beb0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <0AAB3406-9D3E-11D6-A003-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording loops) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:42:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I can't imagine my music and my computer in separate rooms, they are one! > one with the fan noise ? After many years of living with computer fan noise, I finally found myself living in a house where there was a small closet adjacent to my studio room. I punched a hole through the wall and put the computer in there. It is dead quiet now. Truly a refreshing experience! Some of you may have a room layout that would permit doing this. I highly recommend it! Cheaper than a firewire upgrade. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops > >I have seen really long fire wire cables for such things, if you are > >interested. I can't imagine my music and my computer in separate > >rooms, they are one! > > one with the fan noise ? > > It may not be so interesting for you, but in general I find the > option of the long FireWire marvelous, it turns the 828 into a stage > box! > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 12:45:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00985; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:45:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:45:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:45:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020723003358.020351d8@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <8B20692E-9E5B-11D6-A5B6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 01:13 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >> So I found that I had to add 2 to each MIDI note number to get it to >> work. Why? No idea. > > do you have the Source# parameter of the EDP set to the default, 36? I > can't understand why the behringer would be off by two. that is strange. Maybe it's a German thing? > Otherwise, you choose whether you want notes or cc messages to be used > for the main function controls, using controlsource parameter as you > already are. With the behringer pedal we've already established that cc > doesn't work for this. Wait, are you saying that they're the same numbers? If MIDI note #38 triggers record, will CC# 38 (value 64) do the same thing? I just reread the manual and it surely does not say this. > William Burroughs wrote the EDP manual, maybe that wasn't such a good > idea. > > I've actually just started the project that will surely drive me mad, > revising the EDP manual. so feel free to overwhelm me with suggestions. You sure my mom didn't write the manual? Why my mom? Because she's a librarian, and the main reason the EDP manual is so confusing is because it's in alphabetical order, which makes no sense at all. That's where I'd start. What's there isn't bad, it's just all over the place. It talks about the CC stuff on page 4-11, (doesn't say what numbers do what) then it talks about Note # on 4-71! My suggestion would be to reorder the manual, but not change what's there. Add to it. After each function, give a little real world example tutorial. Maybe we could write them, and someone edit them. >> I want to set up the EDP so it will automatically record 4 bars and >> then go into overdub, and although I know it can be done, I don't see >> it clearly described in the manual. > > You're really gonna want LoopIV to do things like that, since that is > where features like TempoSelect let you preset the tempo and the > 8ths/cycle parameter has enough options to record things like you want. > Are you syncing to midi clock or no? Oh man. My EDP is already obsolete! D'OH. I do plan on getting it, I just figured I'd tackle Loop3 first. I am synching to MIDI. > a lot of people seem to be finding that one does not replace the other. > Right, but unfortunately there will be no choice very soon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 13:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03044; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CA66@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording loo ps) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:57:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 112354BB404997-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there is a company out there that specializes in making quiet PC's for audio-specific applications. They will build either barebones systems or custom-built systems using various software platforms. I WAS going to be purchasing their Logic Audio platform for the PC, until Emagic pulled the plug on Logic for Windows. I'm going still going to be purchasing a barebones system at least and configuring my own. check it out: For PC: http://www.carillonusa.com Their sister company that does the same thing for Macs is: http://www.wavedigital.com cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Campbell [mailto:rcc@nwlink.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording loops) >I can't imagine my music and my computer in separate rooms, they are one! > one with the fan noise ? After many years of living with computer fan noise, I finally found myself living in a house where there was a small closet adjacent to my studio room. I punched a hole through the wall and put the computer in there. It is dead quiet now. Truly a refreshing experience! Some of you may have a room layout that would permit doing this. I highly recommend it! Cheaper than a firewire upgrade. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops > >I have seen really long fire wire cables for such things, if you are > >interested. I can't imagine my music and my computer in separate > >rooms, they are one! > > one with the fan noise ? > > It may not be so interesting for you, but in general I find the > option of the long FireWire marvelous, it turns the 828 into a stage > box! > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 13:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03490; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:03:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:03:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:02:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020723011733.02034318@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I wasn't trying to change the definition of "Effect" I just consider anything between the instrument and the listener to be an effect. I still think of the EDP as a very complex digital delay. Sure you can manipulate it, but that's true of almost all my effects processors. Who cares if people don't use the realtime controls? Screw them. I feel the same way about the Art vs. Craft issue (which I will never debate again, so don't go there). Why wouldn't a lot of people accept the definition of these words? I know why. It's because they've got value's implied, craft's people feel the term "craftsperson" (HI RICK!) is derogatory. Same thing with effect. "Oh, he/she sounds good, but they're just playing through a lot of effects." It's got a bad connotation. I think people resist the term "effect" because of it's stigma. Why would a digital delay with a feedback of 100% no longer be an effect? At what feedback% does a delay stop being an effect? How many extra features does a delay have to have before it stops being an effect? This is what I don't get. The EDP and the Repeater are EFFECTS! They move what you've played forward IN TIME! On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 01:36 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > The nuance of choosing one word over another is gone. Why do you want > that? Let the words be distinct and hold clear meaning. If all the > words begin to mean everything, than you won't be able to say anything > at all. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 13:04:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03364; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:00:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:00:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020723170041.40519.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: what are words worth? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02bf01c23266$651dcce0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7zjX0.A.gy.7uYP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I'm becoming a word curmudgeon. Is this something that happens when > you get > > older? If one more person tells me he is anxious when he is really > eager, > > I'm giving him a fat lip. > > > > kim I'm anxious to see you do that. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 13:09:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04066; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:08:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:08:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:08:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <-0NmQC.A.Q9.I2YP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, my world is so damn noisy I've given up long ago. Long live noise! God save the Queen! Mark On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 07:38 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> I have seen really long fire wire cables for such things, if you are >> interested. I can't imagine my music and my computer in separate >> rooms, they are one! > > one with the fan noise ? > > It may not be so interesting for you, but in general I find the option > of the long FireWire marvelous, it turns the 828 into a stage box! > > > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 13:11:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04280; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:10:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022301c2326b$f68e3700$1b504ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020723011733.02034318@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:11:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm becoming a word curmudgeon. Is this something that happens when you get > older? If one more person tells me he is anxious when he is really eager, > I'm giving him a fat lip. LOL - I'm fascinated by this linguistic deconstruction thing - there's a fine line between 'common useage' and just talking bollocks. My personal bug-bear at the moment is people who say 'literally' when they mean exactly the opposite - 'he was driving at literally 300 miles an hour'... grrrrr. Kim, you really ought to take up German, it's a far more specific language than english, you'd be able to sleep at night then... :o) right, I'm off, I'm literally starving to death and really anxious to find something to eat... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 13:18:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04703; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:18:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024701c2326d$19ebc0e0$1b504ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:19:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <-gnLvD.A.0IB.l-YP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Shure, the important is the result and categorizing is less nice than > the "all is One feeling", but, as Kim points out, its fundamental for > comunication. > Names are inherent to things: Just because you sit on a table does > not make it a chair. > To sell a CD you need to select one section of the shop. ...but this can also be a limitation. The instrument I play is cursed by being called a 'bass guitar', due to the perception people have of it. It's possible to undermine that with my usual response to 'you can't do that on a bass' which is 'then don't call it a bass, call it a baritone banjo' - labels can help to define things but also be very limiting when they ascribe specific function to a non-specific entity. A bass just makes a noise, what noise is up to you. It has no inherent sound, leave it alone it won't make a sound (back to the initial discussion) - if Gibson marketed the EDP as a 'guitar looper', would they sell more, or less? would people perceive it differently. If Lexicon has labelled the MPX-G2 as a guitar and bass processor, would it have got reviews in all the bass press? of course it would, but having the words 'and bass' missing from the front panel, stopped them from looking at it. The labelling was more important than what went on in the box. So what do we do? well, being a bunch of hard-core post-moderns, we apply a situational ethic, and pull ranks behind words when it suits us, and ditch linguistic specificity in favour of poetic license/common useage when it suits us. And that is the beauty of life in the new millenium! :o) Steve Lawson (who makes noises with wood, plastic and metal) www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 13:26:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05212; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:16:02 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE3D@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loop approach: Loop as effect Thread-Index: AcIya/4Gh5n/BlCDTC+X8xWJ7NjofQAANdpQ From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA05168 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com right, I'm off, I'm literally starving to death and really anxious to find something to eat... ** starvation could produce anxiety . . . stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 13:30:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05597; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:29:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:29:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:28:53 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02f701c2326e$6ad8f530$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <024701c2326d$19ebc0e0$1b504ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Steve Lawson (who makes noises with wood, plastic and metal) you wood-plastic-metalists really tick me off. it's not valid to neglect air, ceramics, liquids, etc... i'm literally anxious to give you all fat lips! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 13:50:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06977; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:49:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:49:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c23271$4fcb1e00$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CA66@ENTCOEXCH13> Subject: Re: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording loo ps) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:49:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been getting a newsletter of reviews, mostly done for gamers, but this one applies to us as well: Silver Mountain 2Q Quiet Fan: http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/cooling/akasa/silvm2q/silvm2q_1.htm > there is a company out there that specializes in making quiet PC's for > audio-specific applications. They will build either barebones systems or > custom-built systems using various software platforms. I WAS going to be > purchasing their Logic Audio platform for the PC, until Emagic pulled the > plug on Logic for Windows. I'm going still going to be purchasing a > barebones system at least and configuring my own. > > check it out: > For PC: > http://www.carillonusa.com > > Their sister company that does the same thing for Macs is: > http://www.wavedigital.com > > cheers, > jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Campbell [mailto:rcc@nwlink.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording > loops) > > > >I can't imagine my music and my computer in separate rooms, they are one! > > > one with the fan noise ? > > After many years of living with computer fan noise, I finally found myself > living in a house where there was a small closet adjacent to my studio room. > I punched a hole through the wall and put the computer in there. It is dead > quiet now. Truly a refreshing experience! > > Some of you may have a room layout that would permit doing this. I highly > recommend it! Cheaper than a firewire upgrade. > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:38 AM > Subject: Re: Audio Interface options for recording loops > > > > >I have seen really long fire wire cables for such things, if you are > > >interested. I can't imagine my music and my computer in separate > > >rooms, they are one! > > > > one with the fan noise ? > > > > It may not be so interesting for you, but in general I find the > > option of the long FireWire marvelous, it turns the 828 into a stage > > box! > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 14:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09209; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020723011733.02034318@loopers-delight.com> References: <004b01c231da$d098c6a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <5.1.1.6.2.20020723011733.02034318@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:06:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:36 AM -0700 7/23/02, Kim Flint wrote: >Why do people have such a desire to broaden the definition of words? like, calling any device at all an "effect?" :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 14:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11573; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:38:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:38:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <8B20692E-9E5B-11D6-A5B6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ...and the main reason the EDP manual is so confusing > is because it's in alphabetical order, which makes no > sense at all. I'll be the contrarian. I like the EDP manual in alpha order. But that's 'cause I use it as a reference manual and not a tutorial. > Add to it. After each function, give a little real > world example tutorial. Maybe we could > write them, and someone edit them. Hear ye, hear ye! Additions, I agree. Perhaps a seperate tutorial (Application Notes). In an earlier posting I joked about the "Mel Bay Guide to the EDP" but I'm only partly in jest. Perhaps some of us could contribute a short sequence of basic "lessons" starting with basic functions and proceeding onwards. Basically, the EDP is simple to operate, after all. It just has *so* many cool extensions! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 14:40:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11788; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:40:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:40:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:34:46 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-reply-to: <02f701c2326e$6ad8f530$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <024701c2326d$19ebc0e0$1b504ed5@bigboy> <02f701c2326e$6ad8f530$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting discussion (up to a point). I normally eschew the word "effect" in favor of such terms as "process" or "signal processor." This is because ever since I started working with electronic music systems in the '70s I have treated studio and performance systems either as instruments or as sound design procedures. Perhaps this is because I moved from the role of vocalist/instrumentalist to that of composer and thence to performer on electronic systems. I did have a fuzz tone and a wah-wah pedal briefly toward the end of my guitar-player period, but once I was making tape music these were just special instances of timbral modifiers. If I do use "effect" it is usually to describe something that is imposed as a minor "coloration" to the sound of an otherwise clearly identifiable instrument. Once the "processor" crosses the line to becoming a significant determinant of the sound it is clearly a part of the instrument. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 14:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11719; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:39:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:39:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:19:24 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") In-reply-to: <022301c2326b$f68e3700$1b504ed5@bigboy> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loop List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020723011733.02034318@loopers-delight.com> <022301c2326b$f68e3700$1b504ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:11 PM +0100 7/23/02, Steve Lawson wrote: >My personal bug-bear at the moment is people who say 'literally' >when they mean exactly the opposite I think most people don't even think about what words literally mean; they just mimic what they hear other people say. Even those who give some thought to the matter generally do so by assumption rather than actual knowledge. To me, "literally" means "to the letter" = "in actual fact." I suspect that many people think it means "fictionally" or "as if it were found in literature." This unthinking apery (to use a neologism) is rife. One of my particular disfavorites (another neologism?) is "far and few between." WTFDTM?! Of course in many cases such misusages can be amusing. Who among you remembers Mrs. Malaprop? Or Reverend Spooner? I'm frequently torn between pedantically correcting people for their verbal mayhem and letting it go as a lost cause (scattering metaphors as I may). The watershed between amusement and annoyance is the degree of penetration of the verbal gaffe in question. If one person says something such as "George W. Bush is arguably a dimwit" it is easy to dismiss him/her (not Dubya) as an uneducated (but possibly perceptive) peon. When ten people misuse "arguably" in this fashion it begins to become distressing, but when the entire English-speaking world does so it has to be filed in the lost cause bin. I do, however, sometimes use "arguable" with its traditional meaning just to confuse the hoi polloi. For those interested in such things, since 1976 Lake Superior State University has published an annual list of mis- or over-used words and phrases that are recommended for banishment: http://www.lssu.edu/banished/ A few examples: at this point in time (1976) do-able (1980) mandate (1985) best kept secret (1990) liberal (1995) millennium (2000) negative growth (2001) disenfranchise (2002) My personal suggestion for the 2003 list is "at the end of the day." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 14:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12387; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=7.0 Message-ID: <3D3DA59E.3F65DC47@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:51:10 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Gizmotron Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Engineering Sender: hans@ernieball.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember a little while ago, there was some discussion regarding the Gizmotron sustainer device. I just spoke to someone who has a NOS Bass Gizmotron for sale. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list and I can put you in touch. I don't know how much he wants for it. -Hans hans@ernieball.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 14:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12865; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:58:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3DA74E.EBB24581@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:58:23 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: David Torn EDP manual References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey! I know, we'll get David Torn to write it! hook up. press buttons and then make loop music. it is fun. loop loop! nice. best... Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Mark Sottilaro "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > > In an earlier posting I joked about the "Mel Bay Guide to the EDP" but I'm > only partly in jest. Perhaps some of us could contribute a short sequence > of basic "lessons" starting with basic functions and proceeding onwards. > Basically, the EDP is simple to operate, after all. It just has *so* many > cool extensions! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 15:01:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14272; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:00:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:00:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: what are words worth? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:45:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020723170041.40519.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > I'm becoming a word curmudgeon. Is this something that happens when > > you get > > > older? If one more person tells me he is anxious when he is really > > eager, > > > I'm giving him a fat lip. > > > > > > kim > I'm anxious to see you do that. > bret That would compliment his reputation too! (that "i" instead of "e" is one of my pet peeves, and is so widespread I think "complement" has gone out the window from lack of use: even the New York Times has made that gaffe a couple times) That misuse of "anxious" is a pretty mild malapropism (if it can be considered one; I think a malapropism has to be wildly unrelated in meaning but sound similar to the "correct" word. I love spotting them in interviews and conversation. Examples escape me at the moment. There were a few goodies from Shrub a while back... NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 15:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15105; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:17:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:17:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:16:53 -0800 Subject: Re: Gizmotron From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D3DA59E.3F65DC47@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-txruD.A.yrD.6uaP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Y dont U want it hans? jus' askin' s > I remember a little while ago, there was some discussion regarding the > Gizmotron sustainer device. I just spoke to someone who has a NOS Bass > Gizmotron for sale. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list > and I can put you in touch. I don't know how much he wants for it. > > -Hans hans@ernieball.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 15:20:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15262; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:19:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:19:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.208.66.75] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:19:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 19:19:17.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6B82B90:01C2327D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Watch out Steve, the word curmudgeon might pop you for "starving to death" hehehehehehehehehehe weg From: "Steve Lawson" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loop List" Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:11:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBF06D8DE009E400431A4CFE4EE0912610; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:09:57 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04195;Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:09:21 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:10:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:09:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022301c2326b$f68e3700$1b504ed5@bigboy> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020723011733.02034318@loopers-delight.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm becoming a word curmudgeon. Is this something that happens when you get > older? If one more person tells me he is anxious when he is really eager, > I'm giving him a fat lip. LOL - I'm fascinated by this linguistic deconstruction thing - there's a fine line between 'common useage' and just talking bollocks. My personal bug-bear at the moment is people who say 'literally' when they mean exactly the opposite - 'he was driving at literally 300 miles an hour'... grrrrr. Kim, you really ought to take up German, it's a far more specific language than english, you'd be able to sleep at night then... :o) right, I'm off, I'm literally starving to death and really anxious to find something to eat... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk Weg _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 15:40:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16384; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:39:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:38:45 -0700 Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D3DA74E.EBB24581@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is going to be my new .sig file.. On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 11:58 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > hook up. press buttons and > then make loop music. it is fun. > loop loop! nice. > > best... > > Sorry, I couldn't help myself. > > Mark Sottilaro > > "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > >> >> In an earlier posting I joked about the "Mel Bay Guide to the EDP" but >> I'm >> only partly in jest. Perhaps some of us could contribute a short >> sequence >> of basic "lessons" starting with basic functions and proceeding >> onwards. >> Basically, the EDP is simple to operate, after all. It just has *so* >> many >> cool extensions! > > --------------------------------------------- Greg Kucharo www.mutantaudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 15:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16740; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:41:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:41:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:36:19 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE41@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") Thread-Index: AcIyeJyz+Pncv69KRIOhUzFzH+gGdgABrjNQ From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA16658 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com of course, one thing that may be missed here is that fact that language is a living, growing organism, not a museum piece. (unless it's latin or other languages that have insisted on purity and fallen into disuse.) for one thing, "effect," as being discussed here, does not show up in my shorter oxford dictionary. the closest one gets is the entry for lightning used is stage plays. we, the musical community, have appropriated a word for our own nefarious uses. what we really mean by "effect" is not in the dictionary (at least mine). what we really have is a sound or timbral modifier (as dr. z pointed out). we, as most people do, appropriate and modify language as we go along - - the beauty and curse of language. stig (who sees car guys using words like "refreshening," etc., all day long) Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 15:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17458; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:50:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:50:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:12 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c23282$4c967020$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <024701c2326d$19ebc0e0$1b504ed5@bigboy> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2LEqmD.A.YQE.lNbP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, > ...but this can also be a limitation. The instrument I play > is cursed by > being called a 'bass guitar', due to the perception people > have of it. It's > possible to undermine that with my usual response to 'you > can't do that on a > bass' which is 'then don't call it a bass, call it a baritone banjo' - > labels can help to define things but also be very limiting > when they ascribe > specific function to a non-specific entity. A bass just makes > a noise, what > noise is up to you. It has no inherent sound, leave it alone > it won't make a > sound (back to the initial discussion) Actually, the point you're stretching differs from what I think you address by the term "initial discussion". You're talking about the perception "people" have, and specifically the people who are your audience. And the median audient (ok, not of the people who listen to you) regards the "bass guitar" as something with four (and sometimes more) strings with frets on which people play the lowest voice of any given rock /pop arrangement (this already being a rather technical definition...). So to emphasise that what people will get to hear from me if I do play bass (strange tunings, lots of effects, synth and guitar parts, triggering vocoders et al.), I experimented with different names for this instrument in combination with the player and the "effects", the most successful being "weirdbass"... Getting back to your Lexicon labelling example, I think I read somewhere that the first line of "cheap" effects by Lexicon (Alex, Reflex, Vortex and Jamman) were marketed as guitarist's devices (in comparison to their 480L and similair stuff for studio use), while everybody knows the best use of the Vortex is in combination with a drum machine...:-) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 15:52:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17661; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:52:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:52:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200207231952.g6NJq8nR027951@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gizmotron Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans writes: > I remember a little while ago, there was some discussion regarding the > Gizmotron sustainer device. I just spoke to someone who has a NOS Bass > Gizmotron for sale. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list > and I can put you in touch. I don't know how much he wants for it. > > -Hans hans@ernieball.com And I have one, new in the box, that I'll get off of. Make me an offer. Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 16:01:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19582; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:01:13 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c23283$b2be0f60$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard, to make example from the German-speaking world, let me just give two: first "in keinster Weise", which is something like a stronger form of "in keiner Weise" (under no circumstances), created by building a pseudo-superlativ of "kein", giving something like "under noest circumstances". Another nice example is "editieren", synonymous to the English "edit", both coming from Latin e(x)dare "to give out". The correct German verb would be "edieren" (which had until the advent of personal computers only existed as a jargon for people in the publishing business), yet because it entered the "new German" via the computer lingo, the verb was created by taking the English infinitve form and just adding a German infitive ending... Enough for now, but interesting nonetheless, and I'm glad other people think about these things, too! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 16:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21865; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:29:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:29:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:24:37 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: what are words worth? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <9Ybm-.A.cVF.5ybP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:45 AM -0700 7/23/02, Neil Goldstein wrote: >I think a malapropism has to be wildly unrelated in meaning but >sound similar to the "correct" word. Our drummer used to use "depraved" instead of "deprived." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 17:02:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24845; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:02:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3DC352.2C0B474E@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:57:53 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0vF5ZD.A.QDG.QQcP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > Perhaps some of us could contribute a short sequence > of basic "lessons" starting with basic functions and proceeding onwards. Good idea! http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP ;) --Andre (Hope you're healing up, Dennis.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 17:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27054; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:24:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 Message-ID: <3D3DC9A0.63C7715C@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:24:48 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gizmotron References: <200207231940.PAA16512@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I asked my boss, who I heard about it from, the same thing (since he's a collector of unusual guitar artifacts). He told me that he had installed a few Gizmotrons in the 70s, and that having a motor that close to your pickups isn't really ideal. -Hans > From: Stan Card > To: > > Y dont U want it hans? > jus' askin' > s > > > I remember a little while ago, there was some discussion regarding the > > Gizmotron sustainer device. I just spoke to someone who has a NOS Bass > > Gizmotron for sale. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list > > and I can put you in touch. I don't know how much he wants for it. > > > > -Hans hans@ernieball.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 17:38:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27900; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:38:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:38:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 Message-ID: <3D3DCCAE.114C8D82@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:37:50 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: computer fan noise References: <200207231940.PAA16512@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought a Carillon computer (Barebones 2.5) a few months ago, and it's amazingly quiet. The fan noise is really low, and the hard drives are virtually silent. The fan in the CD-R drive is as noisy as any, but you shouldn't be trying to burn CDs while you're recording anyway. You could probably use the same (or similar) components that they do (as listed on their website) and build one yourself, but I think the heavy steel chassis contributes a lot to how quiet it is. I have no regrets about paying a little extra, though - it actually worked right out of the box :) -Hans > Subject: RE: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording > loo ps) > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:57:41 -0600 > From: "Lanpheer, James A" > To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > > > there is a company out there that specializes in making quiet PC's for > audio-specific applications. They will build either barebones systems or > custom-built systems using various software platforms. I WAS going to be > purchasing their Logic Audio platform for the PC, until Emagic pulled the > plug on Logic for Windows. I'm going still going to be purchasing a > barebones system at least and configuring my own. > > check it out: > For PC: > http://www.carillonusa.com > > Their sister company that does the same thing for Macs is: > http://www.wavedigital.com > > cheers, > jim. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 17:45:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28424; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:45:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:45:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:39:05 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE41@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE41@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: <68zw9B.A.u7G.S5cP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my all-time linguistic peeve, misspelling division: "alot" At the present time is no such word in English. There is "allot" which means "allocate," and there is "a lot" which means, well, "a lot." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 17:45:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28423; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:45:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:45:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:28:30 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") In-reply-to: <000801c23283$b2be0f60$0601a8c0@SATAN> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: rs@moinlabs.de, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000801c23283$b2be0f60$0601a8c0@SATAN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:01 PM +0200 7/23/02, Rainer Straschill wrote: >"in keinster Weise" Yo! Ist der Keinster! >"editieren" Cut up by wild beasts? One of my faves is "Kentucky schreid ficken." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 17:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29242; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020723215822.8490.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use guitar affects, because I like the effect. bret --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > Interesting discussion (up to a point). > > I normally eschew the word "effect" in favor of such terms as > "process" or "signal processor." This is because ever since I started > > working with electronic music systems in the '70s I have treated > studio and performance systems either as instruments or as sound > design procedures. Perhaps this is because I moved from the role of > vocalist/instrumentalist to that of composer and thence to performer > on electronic systems. I did have a fuzz tone and a wah-wah pedal > briefly toward the end of my guitar-player period, but once I was > making tape music these were just special instances of timbral > modifiers. > > If I do use "effect" it is usually to describe something that is > imposed as a minor "coloration" to the sound of an otherwise clearly > identifiable instrument. Once the "processor" crosses the line to > becoming a significant determinant of the sound it is clearly a part > of the instrument. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 18:02:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30625; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:01:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020723220102.9363.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: RE: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about noone, for no one? --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my all-time linguistic peeve, > misspelling division: > > "alot" > > At the present time is no such word in English. > > There is "allot" which means "allocate," and there is "a lot" which > means, well, "a lot." > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 18:20:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31686; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:20:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:20:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:19:25 EDT Subject: Re: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording loo ps) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While the Carillon systems look nice, they have really fallen behind everyone else in the level of system offered. Their Barebones1 is still a 1.5 GHz P4, with SDRAM (no monitor). For the same price, you can get a 2 GHz Northwood system, with RDRAM, a flat panel, 6 USB ports, etc.. I'd suggest waiting on the Carillon until they catch up with the rest of the world. Maybe after NAMM they will improve their systems. Anyone interested in a rack mounted computer might find the info at Tomshardware.com. very helpful. Marc In a message dated 7/23/02 1:49:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > > there is a company out there that specializes in making quiet PC's for > > audio-specific applications. They will build either barebones systems or > > custom-built systems using various software platforms. I WAS going to be > > purchasing their Logic Audio platform for the PC, until Emagic pulled the > > plug on Logic for Windows. I'm going still going to be purchasing a > > barebones system at least and configuring my own. > > > > check it out: > > For PC: > > http://www.carillonusa.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 18:42:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00363; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:41:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <20020723223506.3d3dda1a21af0@hotmail.com> Subject: FA: TC Electronic D-Two (was Re: D-Two Looper Settings) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:40:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 22:40:58.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[036135D0:01C2329A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry that my only post in a few months is a blatant ebay item, but it seems appropriate... Also, if an LD subscriber wins the bid, I'll give them an 8% discount for putting up with my spam. http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=g716 Reserve is $290, Buy it now is $330. -Greg > > 5 sec stereo; 10 sec mono. You are right. > > > > "Overdubbing" is not quite the right concept with the D-2 b/c it's not > > > really a true looper. > ... > > > > It really is a great box. I'm not sure it's a "looper" though > > > from http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html: > > Current Real-Time Loopers > at the minimum, a Real-Time Looper must be able to sample audio and loop > it on the fly, and allow the user to sample new material while the > current loop is playing. Usually they do much more. These are live, > performance-oriented looping instruments.... > > Sounds like a looper to me ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 18:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00936; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:54:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:54:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CA72@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording loo ps) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:34:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 112305A32279165-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually Marc, that's no longer correct. If you check Carillon's website, their "barebones" pc's are gone and replaced by "core systems" which are upgraded. I agree they are still a bit pricey, but they are reportedly quieter than virtually anything else, which is what this thread was about. Is the Northwood system an audio-specific application as well? I am not familiar with it. This was NOT a paid advertisement for Carillon computers, i don't own one.... : ) cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording loo ps) While the Carillon systems look nice, they have really fallen behind everyone else in the level of system offered. Their Barebones1 is still a 1.5 GHz P4, with SDRAM (no monitor). For the same price, you can get a 2 GHz Northwood system, with RDRAM, a flat panel, 6 USB ports, etc.. I'd suggest waiting on the Carillon until they catch up with the rest of the world. Maybe after NAMM they will improve their systems. Anyone interested in a rack mounted computer might find the info at Tomshardware.com. very helpful. Marc In a message dated 7/23/02 1:49:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > > there is a company out there that specializes in making quiet PC's for > > audio-specific applications. They will build either barebones systems or > > custom-built systems using various software platforms. I WAS going to be > > purchasing their Logic Audio platform for the PC, until Emagic pulled the > > plug on Logic for Windows. I'm going still going to be purchasing a > > barebones system at least and configuring my own. > > > > check it out: > > For PC: > > http://www.carillonusa.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 19:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03238; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:23:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:23:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "KEVIN BRUNKHORST" Subject: Wordsworth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:23:16 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207231940.PAA16518@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6fFm6.A.cy.9VeP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do not fail to enjoy these fine words about looping music. EDP is a good tool to affect music. It is good to make creative. Not to worry about defining words or how music goes through wires. What about a modification that makes my hands control music? Wait, oh yes, it is my guitar! And the knobs on the boxes! OK! Kevin (beep beep) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 19:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04650; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:57:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:57:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c232a4$80357e90$b293adac@bxmm101> From: "Petrovich, Duane" To: Subject: scratchy edp Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:56:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C23282.F7D84BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C23282.F7D84BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hallo, i just got a new edp and im having some troubles. any recorded loop has = this staticy/scratchy sound along with it. ive tried multiple cables, = but can't get rid of it. when i just play thru the unit without = recording, it's fine-- no noise. and while im recording, it's fine--no = noise. but as soon as the loop starts playing back, it has all this = noise with it. it's not a digital distortion noise; i am keeping the = input at a reasonable level (no red lights). any suggestions? thanks, dp ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C23282.F7D84BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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i just got a new edp and im having = some=20 troubles.  any recorded loop has this staticy/scratchy sound along = with=20 it.  ive tried multiple cables, but can't get rid of it.  when = i just=20 play thru the unit without recording, it's fine-- no noise.  and = while im=20 recording, it's fine--no noise.  but as soon as the loop starts = playing=20 back, it has all this noise with it.  it's not a digital distortion = noise;=20 i am keeping the input at a reasonable level (no red lights).  any=20 suggestions?
 
 
thanks,
dp
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C23282.F7D84BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 20:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06768; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:15:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:15:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c232a7$30ef1fa0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: what are words worth? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:15:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Words worth am a grate poeter, evvybuddy nos that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 20:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08610; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:55:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:55:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:42:14 -0400 From: "Michael C. Gorman" Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-Two (was Re: D-Two Looper Settings) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: "Michael C. Gorman" Message-id: <001901c232aa$f56bd870$030aa8c0@worldhq.sufi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020723223506.3d3dda1a21af0@hotmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the D2. It has bypass mode setting that lets you choose whether the bypass occurs before the delay or after. It also lets you choose whether bypass applies to the wet and dry signal, or only the dry signal. The correct combination of bypass settings provides a tape loop that is easy to punch into and out of using a momentary floor switch. Add a momentary bypass switch becomes a very good tape loop device. One cool thing is it lets you set a threshold, above which the delayed sound is played backwards. It also has separate tap mode. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: FA: TC Electronic D-Two (was Re: D-Two Looper Settings) > Sorry that my only post in a few months is a blatant ebay item, but it seems > appropriate... > > Also, if an LD subscriber wins the bid, I'll give them an 8% discount for > putting up with my spam. > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=g716 > > Reserve is $290, Buy it now is $330. > > -Greg > > > > > 5 sec stereo; 10 sec mono. You are right. > > > > > > "Overdubbing" is not quite the right concept with the D-2 b/c it's not > > > > > really a true looper. > > ... > > > > > > It really is a great box. I'm not sure it's a "looper" though > > > > > > from http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html: > > > > Current Real-Time Loopers > > at the minimum, a Real-Time Looper must be able to sample audio and loop > > it on the fly, and allow the user to sample new material while the > > current loop is playing. Usually they do much more. These are live, > > performance-oriented looping instruments.... > > > > Sounds like a looper to me ;) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 23 23:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19719; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:50:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:50:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.21a260f1.2a6f7dc8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:49:28 EDT Subject: Re: computer fan noise (Audio Interface options for recording loo ps) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info Jim. I'm glad to see that they finally upgraded their systems. I'm still a little disappointed in some of their system decisions though. If the Core2 had RDRAM, that would be a nice system to get. Core3 & 4 have only 1 hard drive. Basically, the Northwood P4 is a "second generation" P4. It's been out for a while now. It has the 512KB Cache. From what I have read, the original P4 (SDRAM) was a real dog. (Hmm... actually I like dogs, but there we go with that language thing again). You really only get the true power of the P4 if you use it with RDRAM (850 chipset). Carillon does not like the Athlon, so they won't be making any AC-1's with it. There are other DAW manufacturers (SoundChaser for one) that only use the Athlon. Speaking of computer fan noise, check out the stealth fan. PC Modifications: Design, Manufacture, and Sales of PcMods I'm sure that they aren't they only retailer carrying them, but this is where I found out about the stealth fan. Marc In a message dated 7/23/02 6:54:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lanpheer.James.A@broadband.att.com writes: > Actually Marc, that's no longer correct. If you check Carillon's website, > their "barebones" pc's are gone and replaced by "core systems" which are > upgraded. I agree they are still a bit pricey, but they are reportedly > quieter than virtually anything else, which is what this thread was about. > Is the Northwood system an audio-specific application as well? I am not > familiar with it. > > This was NOT a paid advertisement for Carillon computers, i don't own > one.... : ) > > cheers, > jim. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 00:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22613; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:25:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:25:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020724042453.7971.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:24:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: effects To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207230129.VAA03486@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3rI1GD.A.kgF.XwiP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> I agree here, but it depends on what effects you're talking about. If I'm not mistaken, there were delay units back in the early 80's that allowed you to control the delay time, feedback, and/or wet/dry mix via foot pedals. As I recall, the option of controlling parameters on a multi-effects unit via MIDI dates back to, well, as far as I know, when the first MIDI controlled multi-effects units came out. And ones that didn't, could easily be modified to do so. Electro-Harmonix used to make a pedal that operated a cable, which attached to the pot shaft on any of their pedals (you took the knob off the shaft and replaced it with the end of the cable) and you control, say the delay time on a Memory Man as if it were a wah wah. And of course, if you were one to process your instrument via, say the filter on that trusty Mini-Moog, you could plug pedals into control the cutoff frequency (sorta like a wah wah type effect) and VCA level (giving you a volume pedal type deal) and you could also use a pedal to control the pitch bend effect (if memory serves, you could thusly control the modulation rate, since oscillator 3 was also wired to modulate the pitch of the other two oscillators and/or the cut off frequency). I imagine there were even more possiblities in that direction when you used a modular synth, and I imagine other analog synths offered other options (obviously, on something like the VCS3, you could use the ring modulator to process that external feed). And concerning the comment that having so many effects is something like having a modular synth, I sometimes feel the same way, and I'm really not using that many. I have a Boss Metal Zone distortion pedal, Danelectro French Toast octave fuzz, a Line 6 Filter Modeler, a Line 6 Modulation Modeler, a vintage Colorsound wah wah (I also have a fairly new Colorsound wah wah, as well as an early 90's Crybaby reissue), a Line 6 Delay Modeler, and finally, the Boomerang. In fact, if you look at what the Filter and Modulation Modelers can do, you basically have the basic modification effects you'd have a small-ish modular synth. The Filter Modeler actually has a built in monophonic synth, but it's mostly useless (very slow tracking and lousy sounds). Basically, with my effect rig, I have my guitar as the audio generator, with the pedals as being the rest of the synth. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 00:37:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23419; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:37:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:37:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: IVL Scraps Electrix for Kid Karaoke Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:23:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com was that a hint the other day, dt? http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000391.html _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 01:10:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27028; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:09:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:09:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.228.64.97] From: "g716_loop" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: DL4 Modification Draft 1 - building a remote control unit Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:08:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 05:08:39.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C2E3F90:01C232D0] Resent-Message-ID: <023IsD.A.YlG.2ZjP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, so I only promised to put this together about 5 months ago... and its still only a draft: http://www.geocities.com/g716g716/dl4remote/dl4remote.htm Good luck. Greg > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: DL4 modification... > From: Mike Killian > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:25:04 -0600 > > If regular CAT5 wire would work for this, would 25 pair standard telephone > cable work, also? This way, you would have one cable from the floor to a > stand. I use all 4 of the Line6 stompbox modelers and find that when I bend > over during a show, I can't see the knobs well (and it looks silly, too!) > > Mike in St. Louis > > Greg S wrote: > > > > Say, Greg, you should put together a little info on your DL-4 > > > "remote button project" for the LD website. > > > > I'll try and get this done this weekend. I'm lacking a digital camera, > > but I'll see if I can borrow a friend's. I'll also doc my first > > project: a CAT 5 breakout box. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 01:35:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28252; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:34:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:34:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <193.a49200c.2a6f965a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:34:18 EDT Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, oh, gee, thanks; that's real nice. is that what i get for a few recent (unusually inarticulate) comments? all i can say is..... dude. dt / s-c >Hey! I know, we'll get David Torn to write it! > >hook up. press buttons and >then make loop music. it is fun. >loop loop! nice. > >best... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 01:42:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28572; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:42:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:47:40 -0700 Subject: No choice (was Re: Using the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller w/ echoplex) From: Mark Hamburg To: , Mark Sottilaro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8B20692E-9E5B-11D6-A5B6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/23/02 9:45 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >> a lot of people seem to be finding that one does not replace the other. >> > > Right, but unfortunately there will be no choice very soon. Gone from Alto's web site. Gone at Nova Musik. You can probably still find them at places like Union Grove in Santa Cruz, but the days of the sub-$500 Repeater appear to be over. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 01:42:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28533; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:41:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:41:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:40:57 EDT Subject: Re: IVL Scraps Electrix for Kid Karaoke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ngold@attbi.com writes: >was that a hint the other day, dt? nope; 'twas merely coincidence/synchronicity/whatever. some l-delighter --- (kim, i think) --- mentioned karaoke in a disparahing way, and i was merely pointing out my deep love for the craft..... (so long as i'm not in the room with it). anyway, to clarify: i have had no 'insider' information from electrix since damon langlois departed, last october. bleep, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 01:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28839; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.24.116.98] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:48:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C232AB.C8CBEFC0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 05:45:38.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[56A51F00:01C232D5] Resent-Message-ID: <9smmMC.A.UCH.h8jP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C232AB.C8CBEFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > One thing I observed that I though was really odd: Why do people have s= uch > a desire to broaden the definition of words? If the definitions of word= s > all overlap to the point where they lose their individual meaning and > become interchangeable, you lose your ability to effectively communicat= e. This is because language really has little to do with reality--words are = just sounds that we have come to associate with real-life objects. Does = the word "pen" imply only a writing utensil, or can it be used as (thanks= to Joe Pesci) a weapon? Is a bucket still a bucket when banged on like = a drum, or sat on like a stool, or used to carry water? Words can only c= onvey a small part of life--that is what, in my opinion, music and art is= for in the first place. > The nuance of choosing one word over another is gone. Why do you want t= hat? > Let the words be distinct and hold clear meaning. If all the words begi= n to > mean everything, than you won't be able to say anything at all. Strange= , > and this isn't the only place I notice this happening. I think Orwell w= as > making that point in 2x4 fashion, he just got the year wrong Life doesn't work in neat little categories. There are so many things th= at words just can't grasp. Again, that's why we need music... jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explo= rer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C232AB.C8CBEFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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> One thing I observed that I though was really odd: Why do people= have such
> a desire to broaden the definition of words? If the de= finitions of words
> all overlap to the point where they lose their= individual meaning and
> become interchangeable, you lose your abi= lity to effectively communicate.

This is because language really h= as little to do with reality--words are just sounds that we have come to = associate with real-life objects.  Does the word "pen" imply only a = writing utensil, or can it be used as (thanks to Joe Pesci) a weapon?&nbs= p; Is a bucket still a bucket when banged on like a drum, or sat on like = a stool, or used to carry water?  Words can only convey a small part= of life--that is what, in my opinion, music and art is for in the first = place.


> The nuance of choosing one word over another is go= ne. Why do you want that?
> Let the words be distinct and hold clea= r meaning. If all the words begin to
> mean everything, than you wo= n't be able to say anything at all. Strange,
> and this isn't the o= nly place I notice this happening. I think Orwell was
> making that= point in 2x4 fashion, he just got the year wrong

Life doesn't wor= k in neat little categories.  There are so many things that words ju= st can't grasp.  Again, that's why we need music...

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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C232AB.C8CBEFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 01:48:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28967; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.24.116.98] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: what are words worth? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:49:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C232AB.F7F1A380" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 05:46:57.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[85A0B580:01C232D5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C232AB.F7F1A380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that's certainly a valid opinion... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bret Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: what are words worth? > > I'm becoming a word curmudgeon. Is this something that happens when > you get > > older? If one more person tells me he is anxious when he is really > eager, > > I'm giving him a fat lip. > > > > kim I'm anxious to see you do that. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download= : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C232AB.F7F1A380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
that's certain= ly a valid opinion...
 
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Subject: what are words worth?
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> > I'm becoming a word curmudgeon. Is this somethin= g that happens when
> you get
> > older? If one more perso= n tells me he is anxious when he is really
> eager,
> > I'= m giving him a fat lip.
> >
> > kim
I'm anxious to s= ee you do that.
bret

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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C232AB.F7F1A380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 01:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29295; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:52:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:52:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:58:12 -0700 Subject: Re: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020723220102.9363.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I could care less. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 02:08:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31310; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:07:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:07:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.11025322.2a6f9dab@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: effects To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com awareness is the oscillator, individuals and their capacities the articulators, music the effect. all is one, or maybe even none. everythought has equal weight & meaning, thoroughly expressible through any word-selection --- or, better yet, through one particular word w/encompassing meaning: dude. so, what's the difference between a duck? still descending, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 02:43:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32746; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:43:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:43:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.1161b730.2a6fa65b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:42:35 EDT Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jonathanyandel@msn.com writes, in reply to kim: >This is because language really has little to do with reality--words are >just sounds that we have come to associate with real-life objects. ummm, uhhhh: says whom? *-)) i've often heard it opined that hebrew, aramaic, amharic, sanskrit, dakini-language etc. have purported to actually *embody/essentialise* objects/actions/experiences via their 'sonic' representation..... could be mythic, of course, but..... >Does >the word "pen" imply only a writing utensil, or can it be used as (thanks >to Joe Pesci) a weapon? Is a bucket still a bucket when banged on like >a drum, or sat on like a stool, or used to carry water? >Words can only >convey a small part of life--that is what, in my opinion, music and art >is for in the first place. i might partially agree w/that, in principle --- but it merely seems like socio-cultural laziness & a certain lack of intellectual self-responsibility that allow us to deny our capacity to verbally express..... kim said: >> The nuance of choosing one word over another is gone. Why do you want >that? >> Let the words be distinct and hold clear meaning. i concur. and: where words *cannot* 'be distinct and hold clear meaning', would that a truckload of well-intentioned effort in that regard does not cease..... >>If all the words begin >to >> mean everything, than you won't be able to say anything at all. Strange, >> and this isn't the only place I notice this happening. I think Orwell >was >> making that point in 2x4 fashion, he just got the year wrong >Life doesn't work in neat little categories. There are so many things >that words just can't grasp. if i can't find the proper words to use, maybe i just need to learn more about the language(s) and their realtion to my experience? anyway, i'll continue trying. words do not grasp; people who are intent on communicating can assist others in grasping their meaning through their clear useage, though: words as pointers/signifiers, where technical 'descriptors' fail: words like paintbrushes on the canvas of the psyche & ephemera. and: there are many, many important arenas in life wherein a well-chosen word is the better medium/conveyance than music would be..... i don't think that music is an *improvement* (over words), as a communication-skill: they're simply very different. >Again, that's why we need music... no, that's not why; or, it's clearly not why *i* make music! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 03:29:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03613; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:26:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:21:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect From: kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15d.1161b730.2a6fa65b@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA03579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/23/02 10:42 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > if i can't find the proper words to use, maybe i just need to learn more > about the language(s) and their realtion to my experience? > anyway, i'll continue trying. Actually, a quick search over at Dictionary.com looking up the word "effect" reveals the following. Note that none of the entries below specifically mentions music. The words usefulness may come from its very ambiguity. Also, on the subject of George Orwell, he was interested in how language was used by people with political power, or put another way, how it was used for political effect. He was not a linguist or a grammarian. He was a political writer and novelist with a broad knowledge of English literature and a pessimistic view of human nature. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ef·fect   Pronunciation Key  (-fkt) n. 1. Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result. 2. The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence: The drug had an immediate effect on the pain. The government's action had no effect on the trade imbalance. 3. A scientific law, hypothesis, or phenomenon: the photovoltaic effect. 4. Advantage; avail: used her words to great effect in influencing the jury. 5. The condition of being in full force or execution: a new regulation that goes into effect tomorrow. 6. a. Something that produces a specific impression or supports a general design or intention: The lighting effects emphasized the harsh atmosphere of the drama. b. A particular impression: large windows that gave an effect of spaciousness. c. Production of a desired impression: spent lavishly on dinner just for effect. 7. The basic or general meaning; import: He said he was greatly worried, or words to that effect. 8. effects Movable belongings; goods. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 04:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06427; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:04:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:04:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Words to that Effect Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:03:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c232e8$9ba0bfc0$5cd6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I often find when I am checking out a new guitar effects processor that I perform snippets of music appropriate to the name given to the effect--the words the programmers used to indicate the style of the effect aid me in determining how "effective" they were . . . As far as linguistic horrors, how about that "is, is" thing going around? My grandmother used to say "flustrated"--ah, the portmanteau . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 04:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07291; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:32:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:32:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c232ec$ce7f11e0$7b4e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20020723220102.9363.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:33:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the things that fascinates me about all this language stuff is the morphing organic quality to it, and how arbitrarily we apply out concepts of what needs to stay and what can be morphed, seemingly define by fashion...those of us here who complain about linguistic abuse still all use f-ed up versions of the language, or at the very least, geographically specific modifications... :o) the other wild-card in all this is the net, and the egalitarianism of the net, where people with terrible grammar and spelling can get a very high profile as writers, be they contributors to discussion lists or on line news writers. As such, mistakes get perpetrated, and spoken english starts to be influenced by common typing mistakes! :o) The other thing to factor in with the net is how many people contribute for whom english is a second language. I think the world is a poorer place due to the tyranny of english on the net - it makes those of us who do speak it as a first language lazy, and can lead to ludicrous bouts of prejudice (I saw one ego-maniac hosting a bass discussion page ball someone out saying 'come back when you're learned to type in english, BUDDY' - mmm, that was friendly. ...and on the theme of malapropisms, the only interesting thing about Big Brother III, currently on in the UK, is that one of the contestants is thick as pig-shit and keeps coming out with some of the most remarkable faux-pas and malapropisms ever seen on a TV screen... :o) big love Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 07:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17614; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:36:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:36:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c23307$0bf6b360$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <16c.11025322.2a6f9dab@aol.com> Subject: Re: the effex bros Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:41:27 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <7NM__B.A.ATE.AFpP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > awareness is the oscillator, > individuals and their capacities the articulators, > music the effect. > > all is one, or maybe even none. > everythought has equal weight & meaning, thoroughly expressible through any > word-selection --- or, better yet, through one particular word w/encompassing > meaning: > dude. > > > so, what's the difference between a duck? > > still descending, > dt / splattercell But why a duck? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 07:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17794; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:39:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:39:08 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: LD J live sound uploaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, We did "Looper's Delight J 3rd Round" gig, Real Audio and mp3 available now. http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2002/reports.html Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 08:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22275; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:31:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:31:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020724123019.20253@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: ysh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:30:18 +0900 Subject: Re: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") In-Reply-To: <006d01c232ec$ce7f11e0$7b4e4ed5@bigboy> References: <006d01c232ec$ce7f11e0$7b4e4ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ARENA Internet Mailer 2.1.1 PPC X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, I must jump in, as Japanese is my native language. Responding to some quotes, somewhat out of context -- >The other thing to factor in with the net is how many people contribute for >whom english is a second language. I think the world is a poorer place due >to the tyranny of english on the net I recall a dinner-talk snippet somewhere in Europe, where a person mentioned: by defining English as the default language, the net has done Europe a lot of good in proving that French is *not* the 'international' language as some people believe. Naturally, this person didn't come from a French-speaking nation... :-) >>This is because language really has little to do with reality--words are >>just sounds that we have come to associate with real-life objects. "Words" don't necessarily originate in sounds. In Japan we have a situation where we have two character sets, one phonetic and one non-phonetic. The non-phonetic characters genererally embody meaning and not necessary a fixed pronounciation. ...Why? The characters were imported from China. I must know hundreds of words that I can understand on paper, but cannot pronounce. * * * Returning to even earlier in the thread, the inadequacy of words to express emotions/thoughts/whatever has been a big theme for many a novelist or poet too, not the sole domain of non-linguistic arts. I believe it was Kundera, perhaps Rhys or even Tim O'Brien, who mentioned that the art of the novel was to capture a state for which there is no word. An additional thought, vaguely related to looping: words defining emotions often define the emotions with which we can identify. Ditto for objects... in Japanese, I've heard that there are fifty-something variations of the word "tuna". The quest for precise identification brought birth to those words, which in turn educates the masses of the finer variations of the " tuna" theme. Thus, the dynamic nature of languages is most likely a result of the inadequacy of language to express the uniqueness of every subject, be it material or abstract. What a quest: I find it a positive thing! Or, taking the other extreme, maybe I should throw the idea that "words are stereotypes." How's that for the ultimate in political correctness? The logical conclusion to that thought would be for me to keep my mouth shut... Well, on that note... ;-) - - - - - Yoshi Matsumoto liminal@st.rim.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 09:53:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26609; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:52:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:52:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: schematic for EDP foot controller From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 24 Jul 2002 05:47:51 -0400 Message-Id: <1027504085.5517.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4T4zQB.A.7eG.fDrP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone know where I can get a hold of the schematic for EDP foot controller online? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 10:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29366; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020724142103.69456.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:21:03 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: repeater sync question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207231644.MAA00844@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com um...yeah...yeah i do. actually the incident seemed to be caused by the particular loop based program i was running. once i tried it w/cubase and an older sequencer just to be sure, the repeater started clocking perfectly. it's just something about this program... thanks for responding though! phil >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:24:29 +0200 >From: "Robert van der Kamp" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: repeater sync question > > > >You *do* have MIDI sync selected on the Repeater, >right? > >- Robert On Monday 22 July 2002 21:33, philip raath wrote: > i'm having trouble getting the repeater to sync > properly to my computer... > > the tempo from the sequencer is 151, but the repeater > keeps running at 147 w/ slight fluctuations (which i > understand as neccesary) > > before i was running the sequencer at 113 bpm, and the > repeater was running at 247! > > wierd...help? > > phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 11:08:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01241; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:08:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:08:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <10e.14990aee.2a701ca4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:07:16 EDT Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT, In a message dated 7/23/02 11:42:57 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >>Again, that's why we need music... >no, that's not why; or, it's clearly not why *i* make music! Ahhhhh . . . "why?" There's the $64,000 question. Where's Groucho when you need him? I wonder how many diverse answers there are to THAT one? DT, you wanna go first? :-) Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 11:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01601; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:10:58 EDT Subject: Re: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, In a message dated 7/24/02 1:31:41 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >where people with terrible grammar and spelling I resemble that remark. :-) Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 11:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02663; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:23:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:23:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:22:33 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Words to that Effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03cf01c23325$ef4331c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000001c232e8$9ba0bfc0$5cd6f343@gary> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As far as linguistic horrors, how about that "is, is" thing going around? > My grandmother used to say "flustrated"--ah, the portmanteau . . > Gary > i noticed this a few years ago. i think it's really interesting that people fail to notice it even when they are saying it themselves. language processing occurs mostly subconsciously. only people who really listen to sound seem to even notice this one. it seems to me that it comes from the tendency for contraction in spoken language. phrases like "the problem is" and "the answer is" become a single word. i even caught myself doing it once. (gasp) i think that this tendency has a very interesting effect on musical improvisation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 11:44:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03501; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:47:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Gig Spam July 27th Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear, Freinds and Music lovers, I will be bringing my one man looping dog and pony show (sans dogs and ponies) to the Chaminade in Santa Cruz, between 8-11 pm this Saturday July 27th. Hope to see you there. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 11:44:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03502; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:44:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:44:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <194.a4fc29a.2a70251d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:43:25 EDT Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: >I wonder how many diverse answers there are >to THAT one? DT, you wanna go first? :-) i think i'll politely decline that definition, for now. 8-) though..... while the tools that i use to make music are extremely important to me (as the potential for specificity in the use of language is similarly meaningful to me), i recognise in my motivation that i have (historically) always obsessively sought an (in)-appropriate avenue-for-expression for 'creative' output whether i'm looping (or not), composing (or not), writing prose (or not), playing stringed instruments (or not), going to a 'business' meeting (or not), pulling espresso shots (or not), gardening (or not)..... etc etc etc. as ever vague & likely insubstantial, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 11:45:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03700; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:45:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:45:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200207241508.LAA01302@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:50:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Repeater's for sale Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just thought I'd let everybody know that Union Grove Music has 5 count em 5 brand new Repeaters in stock. If you are intersted e-mail me directly. If you are expecting an Alto Music styley rock bottum price you will be disappointed, I don't think the store owner has ever authorized a price better than $599. Please understand that this is a family owned Mom and Pop store that does'nt have the kind of purchasing power that a Musicians freind or Alto Music has, hence the higher price. Who knows, that may soon be a bargain. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 12:00:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05604; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <16.22a0b8e3.2a7028d9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:59:21 EDT Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT, In a message dated 7/24/02 8:43:44 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >as ever vague & likely insubstantial, He, he, he (LOL). Laughing with you not at you. If I may offer further comment (tiny, as perhaps it is my own bias). I think a lot is said in that single word "obsessively" . . . then again "(or not)". Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 12:22:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06820; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:20:13 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <041101c2332d$fd575860$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <194.a4fc29a.2a70251d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com creatively expressing an espresso shot? would that be espression? this desire for perfect specificity in language may be somewhat misguided. i think language in use is a discrete, linear signal and as such can be studied in a similar way as a digital signal. when you perform an fourier transform to a time domain signal to convert it to a frequency domain signal, you have to trade between accurate frequency information or accurate time information. is this a less accurate representation of the signal? some would say yes. so why do it? because there are a lot of interesting things you can do to a frequency domain signal. is it a particle or a wave? is it meat or is it cake? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect > ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > > >I wonder how many diverse answers there are > >to THAT one? DT, you wanna go first? :-) > i think i'll politely decline that definition, for now. > 8-) > though..... > while the tools that i use to make music are extremely important to me (as > the potential for specificity in the use of language is similarly meaningful > to me), i recognise in my motivation that i have (historically) always > obsessively sought an (in)-appropriate avenue-for-expression for 'creative' > output whether i'm looping (or not), composing (or not), writing prose (or > not), playing stringed instruments (or not), going to a 'business' meeting > (or not), pulling espresso shots (or not), gardening (or not)..... etc etc > etc. > as ever vague & likely insubstantial, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 12:35:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07663; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:34:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020724093013.031c30d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:35:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: schematic for EDP foot controller In-Reply-To: <1027504085.5517.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4B80FC.A.J3B.kbtP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:47 AM 7/24/2002, Jeffrey Lomas wrote: >anyone know where I can get a hold of the schematic for EDP foot >controller online? there isn't a schematic online, but the pedal is so simple you can figure it out by opening it up and looking at it. there is a section in the echoplex footpedal tutorial on building your own pedal that explains it: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 12:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08438; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:48:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:48:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CA77@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater's for sale Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:41:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11200777129371-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6eC25.A.cDC.5otP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm interested in a Repeater! Hope that i'm one of the 5.... thanx, jim. -----Original Message----- From: William R. Walker, [mailto:chillyb@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater's for sale I just thought I'd let everybody know that Union Grove Music has 5 count em 5 brand new Repeaters in stock. If you are intersted e-mail me directly. If you are expecting an Alto Music styley rock bottum price you will be disappointed, I don't think the store owner has ever authorized a price better than $599. Please understand that this is a family owned Mom and Pop store that does'nt have the kind of purchasing power that a Musicians freind or Alto Music has, hence the higher price. Who knows, that may soon be a bargain. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 12:50:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08590; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012101c23331$dd70da90$3c2b93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <1027504085.5517.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: schematic for EDP foot controller Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:47:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7wg7MB.A.zEC.EqtP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please search www.loopers-delight.com Claude > anyone know where I can get a hold of the schematic for EDP foot > controller online? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 12:56:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09028; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:54:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:54:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:31:22 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-reply-to: <041101c2332d$fd575860$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <194.a4fc29a.2a70251d@aol.com> <041101c2332d$fd575860$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:20 AM -0500 7/24/02, jim palmer wrote: >this desire for perfect specificity in language may be somewhat misguided. It's often a matter of style, eh? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 13:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12021; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:23:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:23:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.14773d76.2a703c45@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:22:13 EDT Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <9kYlq.A.K7C.JJuP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >jim palmer wrote: >>this desire for perfect specificity in language may be somewhat misguided. and, zvonar@zvonar.com replied: >It's often a matter of style, eh? i think so. 'perfect specificity', as regards language, seems -(at least)- both in the mouth of the speaker and the ear of the hearer. sometimes, 'creative' (ie, personal, or idiosyncratic) abuse of the spoken word can be the quickering path for the transmission of intention..... dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 13:31:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12641; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c23337$ad353b40$3c2b93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3D3DA74E.EBB24581@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:29:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny but ""DT"" is right my main question is Why are you so hungry impatient to know it all, to do it all now, gimme the video, the private lesson, the complete dummy guide NOW....etc comme on every thing is described with precise words whether in the manual, LD edp pages, and you have the best support crew you can imagine:this list, one great quote from Mick Goodrick's "the advancing guitarist" may explain my point by memory: **sometimes you dont understand what's in it not because of the words but because youre not there yet to understand, think about it but be sure to come back later** Ive been hooked now since 4 years (3 years on loop4 alpha testing) and I'm still discovering incredible things, areas, not because I know the functions but because my imagination brought me there. My imagination and involvement cannot be shared, its in me, don't wait for an explanation or video to help you make music... creativity will yeld to the true use/understanding of the function youll have fun all along the way, true fun because what you invented, -you- invented and understood. there are so many ways to use the EDP in your music you dont need them all now just the best for you Claude > Hey! I know, we'll get David Torn to write it! > > hook up. press buttons and > then make loop music. it is fun. > loop loop! nice. > > best... > > Sorry, I couldn't help myself. > > Mark Sottilaro > > "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > > > > > In an earlier posting I joked about the "Mel Bay Guide to the EDP" but I'm > > only partly in jest. Perhaps some of us could contribute a short sequence > > of basic "lessons" starting with basic functions and proceeding onwards. > > Basically, the EDP is simple to operate, after all. It just has *so* many > > cool extensions! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 13:37:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13104; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:36:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:36:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020724093909.02f31eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:35:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <041101c2332d$fd575860$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <194.a4fc29a.2a70251d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:20 AM 7/24/2002, jim palmer wrote: >this desire for perfect specificity in language may be somewhat misguided. is it? I don't think the desire was for rigid, unchanging, perfectly specific definitions. I think the desire was for clear ideas of what words mean, and a variety of words with similar yet different meanings retaining those differences. My complaint was about people trying to make several different words become equal, broadening the definition of each until they all perfectly overlapped and could be used interchangeably. (i.e., instrument = effect = recording studio.) Eliminating the difference between various words limits the ability to clearly communicate ideas with words. My desire is to maintain the clearly different meanings, so I can have more words to use in communicating ideas. I don't think there is anything misguided in that. that's why, when I saw people using "effect" to describe instruments, and "instrument" to describe effects, I sought to clarify the definitions of the two and the differences between the two. Or at least how I understood the differences. (musical instrument = device physically and interactively manipulated in order to perform music; sound effect = device that passively and non-interactively processes sound according to some set rules.) Once we have a common understanding of the words and the ideas they represent, we can communicate other ideas from that common understanding. (And we can decide which devices in a given situation go in one category or another.) lacking that clarity brings confusion. When Mark said that people like Andre LaFosse and Bill Walker were using Looping as an "effect" at the loopfest, I didn't understand how he could possible see that. I had seen the exact same performances, and "effect" did not fit what those people were doing at all. Was Mark insulting them? Or complimenting them? By my understanding of the words, it was an insult and cheapened their performances. Perhaps by Mark's understanding of the words, it was a compliment. Without clarifying what the words mean we have confusion. >i think language in use is a discrete, linear signal and as such can be >studied >in a similar way as a digital signal. >when you perform an fourier transform to a time domain signal to >convert it to a frequency domain signal, you have to trade between >accurate frequency information or accurate time information. >is this a less accurate representation of the signal? some would say yes. >so why do it? because there are a lot of interesting things you can >do to a frequency domain signal. hmmmm, well I study signals all day long as a profession, and I'm having a real hard time understanding your comparison of that to studying language. Maybe in some really superficial way they are similar. But like anything, the complexity is in the details, and there these two things don't seem alike at all to me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 13:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13234; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:37:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:37:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3EE5C5.32B65129@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:37:10 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") References: <006d01c232ec$ce7f11e0$7b4e4ed5@bigboy> <20020724123019.20253@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4z1nPD.A.nND.QXuP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, since we've gotten here, I can't resist. If you're looking for interesting and creative use of English, you'll have to look no further than http://www.engrish.com/recentdiscoveries.html The posts range from hilarious, to beautiful, but for sure there is a 3rd thing that's created when two cultures collide... Mark ysh wrote: > Ah, I must jump in, as Japanese is my native language. > > Responding to some quotes, somewhat out of context -- > > >The other thing to factor in with the net is how many people contribute for > >whom english is a second language. I think the world is a poorer place due > >to the tyranny of english on the net > > I recall a dinner-talk snippet somewhere in Europe, where a person > mentioned: by defining English as the default language, the net has done > Europe a lot of good in proving that French is *not* the 'international' > language as some people believe. Naturally, this person didn't come from a > French-speaking nation... :-) > > >>This is because language really has little to do with reality--words are > >>just sounds that we have come to associate with real-life objects. > > "Words" don't necessarily originate in sounds. > > In Japan we have a situation where we have two character sets, one phonetic > and one non-phonetic. The non-phonetic characters genererally embody > meaning and not necessary a fixed pronounciation. ...Why? The characters > were imported from China. I must know hundreds of words that I can > understand on paper, but cannot pronounce. > > * * * > > Returning to even earlier in the thread, the inadequacy of words to express > emotions/thoughts/whatever has been a big theme for many a novelist or poet > too, not the sole domain of non-linguistic arts. I believe it was Kundera, > perhaps Rhys or even Tim O'Brien, who mentioned that the art of the novel > was to capture a state for which there is no word. > > An additional thought, vaguely related to looping: words defining emotions > often define the emotions with which we can identify. Ditto for objects... > in Japanese, I've heard that there are fifty-something variations of the > word "tuna". The quest for precise identification brought birth to those > words, which in turn educates the masses of the finer variations of the " > tuna" theme. > > Thus, the dynamic nature of languages is most likely a result of the > inadequacy of language to express the uniqueness of every subject, be it > material or abstract. What a quest: I find it a positive thing! > > Or, taking the other extreme, maybe I should throw the idea that "words are > stereotypes." How's that for the ultimate in political correctness? The > logical conclusion to that thought would be for me to keep my mouth shut... > > > Well, on that note... ;-) > > - - - - - > Yoshi Matsumoto > liminal@st.rim.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 13:53:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14026; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:51:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724135043.00a77630@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:52:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: verbally speaking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com an ex-girlfriend of mine worked at lexington school for the deaf here in nyc. she liked to say, "words suck - but they're all we have." a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 13:54:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13999; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:51:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:51:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2067A06E6567D311B1F9400050F55FF0029FE222@SF1CCD4.ph.ssa.gov> From: "Graboski, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:48:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.52) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why? There is an aphorism in Guitar Craft that reads: "Music so wishes to be heard that it calls on some to give it voice and some to give it ears. If we consider this creative musical impulse to actuation, what is necessary to bring this potential into expression? As potential, this about-to-be-becoming act does not exist (in esse), other than in potential (in posse). So, although it does not exist (in esse), it is nevertheless quite real. Since it is real, but does not exist, this potential act of music needs a field within which to know itself. That is, the act of music, which is one, requires a relationship with itself. For this unity to have a relationship with itself, it requires to separate within itself, but not apart from itself. So this oneness regards itself in twoness. There is music and, say, the audience of music. Or, there is music and, say, the musician." (THE ACT OF MUSIC, Pt.I, Guitar Craft Monograph One,A, February 18, 1988) -Jay -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect DT, In a message dated 7/23/02 11:42:57 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >>Again, that's why we need music... >no, that's not why; or, it's clearly not why *i* make music! Ahhhhh . . . "why?" There's the $64,000 question. Where's Groucho when you need him? I wonder how many diverse answers there are to THAT one? DT, you wanna go first? :-) Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 13:55:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14180; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:53:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:53:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:53:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2333b$006c9bc0$c407f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020724093909.02f31eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Kim Flint wrote: (musical instrument = device physically and interactively manipulated in order to perform music; sound effect = device that passively and non-interactively processes sound according to some set rules.) The same way some folks "play" effects, others allow an "instrument" to dictate what they play. Maybe the definitions change depending on the user and the situation? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:01:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15770; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:00:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3EEB06.AB2D3CD7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:59:35 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual References: <193.a49200c.2a6f965a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just an omage to your particular brand of prose. Though inarticulate it may be, your posts certianly convey something, like a beautiful poem about the repeater... Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > ms, > oh, gee, thanks; that's real nice. > is that what i get for a few recent (unusually inarticulate) comments? > all i can say is..... > dude. > dt / s-c > > >Hey! I know, we'll get David Torn to write it! > > > >hook up. press buttons and > >then make loop music. it is fun. > >loop loop! nice. > > > >best... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:02:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15900; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.156.106.24] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: loops w/ live groups Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:02:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23312.54679E60" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 17:59:58.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC8918D0:01C2333B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23312.54679E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to looping= , I suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with a live band= --you know, not just soundscapes and drones, but also more rhythmical loo= ps. However, getting these to sync up to a drummer (or vice versa) can b= e a bit of a challenge, at least to a relatively new "loopist". I just f= igured I'd throw this question out there and hopefully get some help: any= tips on syncing loops up with a real drummer (the first track off of the= Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd is a great example)? Right now I'm u= sing a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so the possibility of taking advantage of M= IDI could work, if it supplied a click track for my drummer... Sorry if this distracts some of you from the loop as fx vs loop as instru= ment debate 8^) jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explo= rer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23312.54679E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Although I hav= e the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to looping, I suppose wh= at really interests me is the use of loops with a live band--you know, no= t just soundscapes and drones, but also more rhythmical loops. = However, getting these to sync up to a drummer (or vice versa) can be a = bit of a challenge, at least to a relatively new "loopist".  I just = figured I'd throw this question out there and hopefully get some help: an= y tips on syncing loops up with a real drummer (the first track off of th= e Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd is a great example)?  Right now= I'm using a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so the possibility of taking advantag= e of MIDI could work, if it supplied a click track for my drummer...
 
Sorry if this distracts some of you from the loo= p as fx vs loop as instrument debate 8^)
 
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23312.54679E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16468; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:06:12 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "ernesto schnack" X-Epoch: 1027533973 X-Sasl-enc: dsoooBTKwWa6tTVcQC/cjw Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Message-Id: <20020724180613.3EE046DCB3@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that engrish? ;) I make music because it's fun. Ernesto On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:48:58 -0400, "Graboski, John" said: > Why? > > There is an aphorism in Guitar Craft that reads: "Music so wishes to be > heard that it calls on some to give it voice and some to give it ears. > If > we consider this creative musical impulse to actuation, what is > necessary to > bring this potential into expression? As potential, this > about-to-be-becoming act does not exist (in esse), other than in > potential > (in posse). So, although it does not exist (in esse), it is > nevertheless > quite real. Since it is real, but does not exist, this potential act > of > music needs a field within which to know itself. That is, the act of > music, > which is one, requires a relationship with itself. For this unity to > have a > relationship with itself, it requires to separate within itself, but > not > apart from itself. So this oneness regards itself in twoness. There > is > music and, say, the audience of music. Or, there is music and, say, the > musician." (THE ACT OF MUSIC, Pt.I, Guitar Craft Monograph One,A, > February > 18, 1988) > -Jay > > -- http://fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16598; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3EEDB8.8ADDB6F6@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:35:56 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: outa here References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com signing off for a while. loop well! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:18:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17272; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:17:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:17:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:16:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 18:16:18.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[347866D0:01C2333E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to looping, I >suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with a live band--you know, >not just soundscapes and drones, but also more rhythmical loops. However, >getting these to sync up to a drummer (or vice versa) can be a bit of a challenge, at >least to a relatively new "loopist". I just figured I'd throw this question out there and >hopefully get some help: any tips on syncing loops up with a real drummer (the first >track off of the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd is a great example)? Right now >I'm using a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so the possibility of taking advantage of >MIDI could work, if it supplied a click track for my drummer... The only thing that has worked for me so far is to provide the drummer with a good monitor feed of the loop, and make sure they don't suck. There are no fancy technical tricks that I have found to work. Besides having the drummer play to a metrnome, instead of the real loop is no fun for the drummer... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:26:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18370; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:26:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:26:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c2330c$f020a2d0$10f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:23:36 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is the only realm in which i use my looper: duplicating myself, stacking parts, etc. just gotta make sure YOUR time is dead-on...no more relying on the drummer for time. by playing a rythmically correct loop, you establish a metronome-like timekeeper...good for those drummers who don't have perfect time! so making sure that the drummer can hear your parts is tantamount to live looping with a proper band. all of a sudden, everybody's following you. YOU are in control. YOU control the universe. all power is vested in YOU. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:27:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18095; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:25:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:25:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020724111416.020fcc88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:26:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <000001c2333b$006c9bc0$c407f843@gary> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020724093909.02f31eb0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:53 AM 7/24/2002, Gary Lehmann wrote: >-----Original Message----- >Kim Flint wrote: > >(musical instrument = device physically and interactively >manipulated in order to perform music; sound effect = device that passively >and non-interactively processes sound according to some set rules.) > >The same way some folks "play" effects, If they are playing the thing, I would call it an instrument. Maybe for somebody else it would be an effect. >others allow an "instrument" to >dictate what they play. The instrument might dictate what they play, but they are still playing it to create music so for me it remains an instrument. It's more about the intent of the use, not the skill. >Maybe the definitions change depending on the user and the situation? I don't think the definitions change so much as, depending on user and situation, a given thing might go under different categories. For example, Rick Walker picks up a cheap plastic garbage can and transforms it into an amazing percussion instrument with which he creates music. If I pick up the same garbage can, it remains a garbage can. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:35:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19274; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:34:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: wavecomputer360@gmx.de Message-ID: <000e01c23340$afdcc580$665dfe91@parsick> To: Subject: Gig spam Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:48:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C232F7.45AA6120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C232F7.45AA6120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CAVERNA LARVARUM On October 26, 2002, Germany=B4s electronic music collective [=B4ramp] = will be playing live at the Dechenh=F6hle, a grotto near Iserlohn (Germany). = [=B4ramp] will be featuring the two founder members Frank Makowski (electronics, sampling, tools) and Stephen Parsick (electronics, atmospherics, tools). = As their special guest experimental guitarist Markus Reuter (Warr Touch = Guitar, loop devices, treatments) will augment the group. 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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C232F7.45AA6120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:50:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20646; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:50:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:50:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:52:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to >looping, I suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with >a live band--you know, not just soundscapes and drones, but also >more rhythmical loops. However, getting these to sync up to a >drummer (or vice versa) can be a bit of a challenge, at least to a >relatively new "loopist". I just figured I'd throw this question >out there and hopefully get some help: any tips on syncing loops up >with a real drummer (the first track off of the Bruford Levin Upper >Extremities cd is a great example)? Right now I'm using a Jamman >(thanks Mark!), so the possibility of taking advantage of MIDI could >work, if it supplied a click track for my drummer... > I recall a Pat Metheney interview where he talks about playing live to a sequencer in his band, he said it was like having another band member that wasn't very imaginative, didn't listen, but had great time... The best method I've found is to have the drummer play to the loops, not trying to sync the loops to the drummer. Humans are (or at least should be) flexible, machines aren't, so it's generally easier for the drummer to conform to the time of the loop than vice-versa. There's no real magic to it, just make sure the drummer can hear the loop really well, you may consider a monitor just for the drummer, or having him wear headphones. Also, as with just about everything, practice helps a lot. A lot of drummers are used to providing the time for the band, so it can be difficult at first to for them to groove when something else is stating the time. Another thing is that it's important for the loops themselves to be in time, it can take a lot of practice for you to get to where you can capture loops in perfect time, some people I know seem to have this skill naturally, others, like me, take years to get it together. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 14:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21296; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:58:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:58:33 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 07/24/2002 02:58:34 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Been enjoying these "effects/language" threads and feel compelled to toss in my $0.02 worth of observations: When giving directions, ordering a meal, writing an operating manual, or describing an event to a jury or a judge or any critical listener, it's important to be precise in one's choice of words, and damn useful when it can be made clear exactly what a word or label referrs to...but even in the best of circumstances clarity can be difficult to achieve, simply because we can only guess what is being heard and understood and felt by our listeners, no matter how precise we think we are being. When describing an emotional or enlightening or inspiring experience, or writing a poem or novel or critique, it's important to take advantage of the imprecision of words, and of one's certainty that one's listener's understanding of labels is more complex than can possibly be fully grasped, in order to attempt to share the unshareable. When using a tool, it's important to understand its functions and purpose, so you don't get hurt, waste time, or spoil your results. When creating art, or otherwise trying to share the unshareable, it's important not to think you know everything already, or have the only possible understanding of the tools at your disposal. And it's important not to underestimate the value of getting hurt, wasting time, or spoiling your results. When using an effects device, a recording tool, or an instrument, it's important for me to know only that my current understanding of its expressive potential is limited. When posting to an online forum, it's important to keep your preconceptions to a minimum. A useful way of keeping your preconceptions to a minimum is to subscribe to many online forums! Thanks, all! David <> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 15:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24930; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:33:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:33:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:32:31 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04a101c23348$da6c2ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <194.a4fc29a.2a70251d@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020724093909.02f31eb0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> At 09:20 AM 7/24/2002, jim palmer wrote: > >this desire for perfect specificity in language may be somewhat misguided. > > is it? I don't think the desire was for rigid, unchanging, perfectly > specific definitions. I think the desire was for clear ideas of what words > mean, and a variety of words with similar yet different meanings retaining > those differences. i don't understand this distinction. > My complaint was about people trying to make several > different words become equal, broadening the definition of each until they > all perfectly overlapped and could be used interchangeably. (i.e., > instrument = effect = recording studio.) Eliminating the difference between > various words limits the ability to clearly communicate ideas with words. > My desire is to maintain the clearly different meanings, so I can have more > words to use in communicating ideas. I don't think there is anything > misguided in that. i agree with this, but i don't think people were saying an effect is the same as an instrument... > > that's why, when I saw people using "effect" to describe instruments, and > "instrument" to describe effects, I sought to clarify the definitions of > the two and the differences between the two. Or at least how I understood > the differences. (musical instrument = device physically and interactively > manipulated in order to perform music; sound effect = device that passively > and non-interactively processes sound according to some set rules.) Once we > have a common understanding of the words and the ideas they represent, we > can communicate other ideas from that common understanding. (And we can > decide which devices in a given situation go in one category or another.) this was the point of my aquinas quote. > > lacking that clarity brings confusion. When Mark said that people like > Andre LaFosse and Bill Walker were using Looping as an "effect" at the > loopfest, I didn't understand how he could possible see that. I had seen > the exact same performances, and "effect" did not fit what those people > were doing at all. Was Mark insulting them? Or complimenting them? By my > understanding of the words, it was an insult and cheapened their > performances. Perhaps by Mark's understanding of the words, it was a > compliment. Without clarifying what the words mean we have confusion. > it seems to me that the responsibility for clearing up confusion is to ask the speaker. after all it's the speakers intent that you are trying to understand. you should be able to do this without concern about offending them or appearing foolish. (these are the most common outcomes, though. i blame society) i think a lot of problems could be eliminated if people would refuse to be offended by words. > > >i think language in use is a discrete, linear signal and as such can be > >studied > >in a similar way as a digital signal. > >when you perform an fourier transform to a time domain signal to > >convert it to a frequency domain signal, you have to trade between > >accurate frequency information or accurate time information. > >is this a less accurate representation of the signal? some would say yes. > >so why do it? because there are a lot of interesting things you can > >do to a frequency domain signal. > > hmmmm, well I study signals all day long as a profession, and I'm having a > real hard time understanding your comparison of that to studying language. > Maybe in some really superficial way they are similar. But like anything, > the complexity is in the details, and there these two things don't seem > alike at all to me. > > kim > > reading this back i see that it is not very well worded. (appropriate, yes?) this is an imperfect analogy, but aren't all analogies imperfect? clearly the human brain processes spoken language as a signal. but my point was that trying to totally define a word by itself excluding the context (speaker, syntax, time of day, blah blah) and without feedback, is like trying to get frequency information from a single sample. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 16:06:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28233; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:06:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:06:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:04:06 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE54@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loop approach: Loop as effect Thread-Index: AcIzONL/HmNqWrH4T2+kyZHdqnhQUgAAbWog From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA28137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (musical instrument = device physically and interactively manipulated in order to perform music; sound effect = device that passively and non-interactively processes sound according to some set rules.) ** it seems that the gray area can be intent or manifestation. however, i think (imho, etc.) an instrument must be able to make an "original" musical (another can of worms, i'm sure) sound, not just the manipulation of that sound. that's why i think that some looping devices are more aptly termed "compositional tools" - - they only put out what you put into them, but can do all sorts of great things with that sound by creating form, etc. also, let's face it, by your definition, some people are going to use looping devices as "effects" . . . stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 16:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29320; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:24:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:24:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:06:54 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20020724093909.02f31eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <194.a4fc29a.2a70251d@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020724093909.02f31eb0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:35 AM -0700 7/24/02, Kim Flint wrote: >musical instrument = device physically and interactively manipulated >in order to perform music; sound effect = device that passively and >non-interactively processes sound according to some set rules. This may be a subtle point, but oftentimes I (and many others) will use an audio process in a "static" fashion as "part" of an instrument. In such cases I don't think of it as an "effect" but rather as an integral element of the sound producing system. "Effect" as I understand the common usage, implies an external nature, something that is overlaid on the "object" of interest. Think of the way physical modeling synthesizer algorithms are designed an my point may be clearer. A resonator in this context stands in for a physical sounding chamber, such as a violin body. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 16:30:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29571; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:27:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Words to that Effect--Probably OT Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:25:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c23350$64d3d640$c407f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <03cf01c23325$ef4331c0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just heard Tom Ridge say, "The situation is, is that" while talking to Judy Woodruff on CNN-- I don't feel so good . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Words to that Effect > As far as linguistic horrors, how about that "is, is" thing going around? > My grandmother used to say "flustrated"--ah, the portmanteau . . > Gary > i noticed this a few years ago. i think it's really interesting that people fail to notice it even when they are saying it themselves. language processing occurs mostly subconsciously. only people who really listen to sound seem to even notice this one. it seems to me that it comes from the tendency for contraction in spoken language. phrases like "the problem is" and "the answer is" become a single word. i even caught myself doing it once. (gasp) i think that this tendency has a very interesting effect on musical improvisation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 16:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30293; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:40:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:40:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "KEVIN BRUNKHORST" Subject: the meaning of meaning and dishwashing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:38:56 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207241818.OAA17366@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've come to believe (there's a clue for language cops in the list) that I can carry a creative intent into all my activities. Long ago I had a spiritual kind of experience whilst cleaning a toilet. Lately I've come to enjoy washing dishes, the long way, by hand. Just for the joy of intent (or lack of it) in doing it. I play music because I hear it, and I desire to see it made manifest in the world. All things can become creative efforts (even destroying things!) when we see that we can create the world we wish to live in. Lately I've decided that if I want music, I should make it myself. I'm listening to 'others' less, and making 'my own' more. (The quotation marks are deliberate: as if we really own the music that comes out of us!) Looping is an interesting tool. There are many many others. Language is one too. Kevin Texas bibliography: 1. Jim Palmer sez: i noticed this a few years ago. i think it's really interesting that people fail to notice it even when they are saying it themselves. language processing occurs mostly subconsciously. only people who really listen to sound seem to even notice this one. it seems to me that it comes from the tendency for contraction in spoken language. phrases like "the problem is" and "the answer is" become a single word. i even caught myself doing it once. (gasp) i think that this tendency has a very interesting effect on musical improvisation. 2. and then dt sez: >I wonder how many diverse answers there are >to THAT one? DT, you wanna go first? :-) i think i'll politely decline that definition, for now. 8-) though..... while the tools that i use to make music are extremely important to me (as the potential for specificity in the use of language is similarly meaningful to me), i recognise in my motivation that i have (historically) always obsessively sought an (in)-appropriate avenue-for-expression for 'creative' output whether i'm looping (or not), composing (or not), writing prose (or not), playing stringed instruments (or not), going to a 'business' meeting (or not), pulling espresso shots (or not), gardening (or not)..... etc etc etc. as ever vague & likely insubstantial, dt / splattercell 3. and jim then said: creatively expressing an espresso shot? would that be espression? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 16:58:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31275; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:56:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:56:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3F1458.79591767@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:55:53 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual References: <3D3DA74E.EBB24581@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c23337$ad353b40$3c2b93d4@black> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry Claude, but I've got to call you on this one. No presence of Matthais and Kim or this list is an excuse for a poorly laid out manual. (though much appreciated!) Unlike the Repeater, the EDP does not have an intuitive interface. Plain and simple. I was able to start using the Repeater's basic functions without looking at it's manual. Kudos to Electrix, my they rest in peace. That's OK, I've owned Yamaha DX7s. I can handle it. But to criticize me because I'm hoping for a clear and easy to understand manual is ludicrous. I'm not the first to complain about it, it seems pretty universal. And yeah, I'm 37 years old. Not much time left. Lot's of music to make. The less I spend trying to figure out a piece of gear and the more I spend playing, the better. I'm not expecting to know the entire functionality of the EDP overnight, but having to go from page 11 to 71 just to learn how I can control the EDP via MIDI, is silly. A reference manual is not a substitution for a regular manual, but an addition. All the functionality should be explained in the main manual, and short alphabetical descriptions of each function should reside the the reference manual. Mark Sottilaro Claude Voit wrote: > Funny but ""DT"" is right > my main question is > Why are you so hungry impatient to know it all, to do it all now, gimme the > video, the private lesson, the complete dummy guide NOW....etc > comme on > every thing is described with precise words whether in the manual, LD edp pages, > and you have the best support crew you can imagine:this list, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 17:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00328; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:00:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:00:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3F155D.229D0AE0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:00:14 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9xFF7B.A.vE.kVxP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a tough one. I've only had luck when we had a drummer with a looper (Hi Jon W!) or a drummer that was willing to play along to a simple drum machine used as a click track. Mark Jonathan Yandel wrote: > Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to > looping, I suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with a > live band--you know, not just soundscapes and drones, but also more > rhythmical loops. However, getting these to sync up to a drummer (or > vice versa) can be a bit of a challenge, at least to a relatively new > "loopist". I just figured I'd throw this question out there and > hopefully get some help: any tips on syncing loops up with a real > drummer (the first track off of the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd > is a great example)? Right now I'm using a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so > the possibility of taking advantage of MIDI could work, if it supplied > a click track for my drummer... Sorry if this distracts some of you > from the loop as fx vs loop as instrument debate 8^) jonathan > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 17:11:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01100; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:09:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:09:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200207242108.g6OL8jAs018627@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The plain fact is that the EDP manual is easily as opaque as the worst Roland manual. Sales would be much enhanced by a well laid out tutorial, but by far the most effective evangelization would be a 15 minute video showing what you can do with one. The fact that there isn't one with the device over 4 years old tells you that Gibson has no clue what they have or to whom they're selling. A 15 minute video on the EDP could do wonders to advance this form. Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 17:19:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01647; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:18:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200207242108.g6OL8jAs018627@well.com> Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:17:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 21:17:51.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[9181CF10:01C23357] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The plain fact is that the EDP manual is easily as opaque as the worst > Roland manual. At least Roland 'engrish' manuals are an entertaining read. http://www.engrish.com I think that the manual has a lot to do with the unit's perception of 'complexity'. It definitely why >I< think it's complicated :> bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Elswit" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Sales would be much enhanced by a well laid out tutorial, > but by far the most effective evangelization would be a 15 minute video > showing what you can do with one. The fact that there isn't one with the > device over 4 years old tells you that Gibson has no clue what they have or > to whom they're selling. > > A 15 minute video on the EDP could do wonders to advance this form. > > Rik > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 17:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02581; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:29:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020724133719.032980d8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:29:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE54@mitorexch01.marit z.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:04 PM 7/24/2002, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >(musical instrument = device physically and interactively >manipulated in order to perform music; sound effect = device that passively >and non-interactively processes sound according to some set rules.) remember, that is my operating definition, based on how I see the words used around me. (not based on what I decided I wanted to be true.) I arrived at that by spending many years thinking about instrument design, observing people playing instruments, and discussing the subject with them. From my perception of things, these are the way the words get used, even though people don't necessarily clarify the meaning. >** it seems that the gray area can be intent or manifestation. I think that is correct. >however, i think (imho, etc.) an instrument must be able to make an >"original" musical (another can of worms, i'm sure) sound, not just the >manipulation of that sound. first off, re-read the definition I gave. I didn't say an instrument is a "manipulation of the sound" at all. I said it is a thing a musician physically manipulates in order to create music. In other words, something you stick your fingers, hands, lips, feet, or other body parts on and physically control in order to make music come out of you. Second, your idea that an instrument must make an "original musical sound" is definitely a "can of worms". In fact, so much so that I find it just doesn't work as a definition of "instrument". You can break it without much effort. It is very easy to give examples of items that people perceive easily as "instruments" yet which don't make any musical sound themselves. For example, any midi controller. It produces midi control bytes, not sounds. The midi data may cause sounds to be generated, but are they "original sounds"? Maybe not, maybe they are samples of something else. Maybe the midi data is being recorded into a sequencer without any sound at all. Yet, if you put a group of people in a room and had them watch somebody playing a midi keyboard, they would all refer to the device as an "instrument". With your definition, you have to jump through all sorts of complex hoops to resolve it with this particular situation. (you can do the opposite case too, conceiving of devices that produce "original musical sounds" but which nobody would normally consider an instrument.) For me, if it is getting that complicated, the definition ain't working because nobody is going through the world sorting out this many things before they speak. On the other hand, "musician puts his hands on object, actively controls it, music results in relation to what he does. therefore object= musical instrument." is really simple and for me seems to easily cover the situations I encounter in the world. >that's why i think that some looping devices are more aptly termed >"compositional tools" - - they only put out what you put into them, but >can do all sorts of great things with that sound by creating form, etc. Maybe for you that is true. But that is definitely not how everybody is approaching looping. When I watch a variety of people using loopers as I did at the loopfest, it is really hard for me to not see some people using them as "instruments". >also, let's face it, by your definition, some people are going to use >looping devices as "effects" . . . yes, exactly. I said that before. If you just record a loop and let it play away without any further interaction from you, then for you loopers are not instruments by my understanding of "instrument". Maybe they are "effects", maybe they are "recorders", maybe they are "compositional tools", maybe they are "glorified karaoke machines", or maybe they are something else. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 17:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02629; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: David Torn EDP manual Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:35:11 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <200207242108.g6OL8jAs018627@well.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nearer 10 years old. They're working on it, honestly:) -----Original Message----- From: Rik Elswit [mailto:rik@well.com] Sent: 24 July 2002 22:09 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual The plain fact is that the EDP manual is easily as opaque as the worst Roland manual. Sales would be much enhanced by a well laid out tutorial, but by far the most effective evangelization would be a 15 minute video showing what you can do with one. The fact that there isn't one with the device over 4 years old tells you that Gibson has no clue what they have or to whom they're selling. A 15 minute video on the EDP could do wonders to advance this form. Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 17:38:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03214; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020724213522.93929.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Gizmotron To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207240425.AAA22681@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> That's actually an interesting point that I had never thought of. I first heard of the Gizmotron back when I was a teenager, and I know I've read that Godley And Creme used it on some of their late 70's albums, and I believe Jimmy Page said he used one on Zep's In Through The Out Door album (on the intro to In The Evening, I believe). Anyway, I wouldn't have thought about it, but it does make sense that the motor might be a little too close to the pickups. Pretty much anything that makes mechanical noise, things like wind up toys or an electric tooth brush or a vibrator, even, will be amplified by the pickups if you get them close enough. Thusly, I can see how the motor on the Gizmotron was a little too close to the pickups for most practical purposes (and let's not forget that you also had to drill holes in your guitar to install this big thing that kinda looks like it could get in the way of your normal playing. Mind you, I've never actually had the opportunity to play a Gizmotron equipped guitar, so I really don't know about any of this. NP Grateful Dead "Jam" (Dick's Picks Vol. XIV) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 17:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03424; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:37:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:37:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6EE1D@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> From: Kevin Simonson To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: David Torn EDP manual Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:36:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't consider the EDP manual opaque. You can create some very complex things with an EDP. The manual has to have some degree of depth, right? It's a deep box, but IMHO, 75%->90% of the functionality of most loopers (or devices used as loopers) is covered in the first..say...5 pages? You know - record! overdub! repeat! I'm Robert Fripp/Brian Eno/whoever! Could it be improved? Sure! Most things can. This device is singular in its abilities. I would imagine its pretty difficult to document as a result. I've integrated a lot of the terminology (that didn't really exist prior to my using the EDP) into my vocabulary, but I still get a kick out of the "crazy martian language" post a few weeks back. I agree that a video would probably be helpful from a sales perspective, though. Actually, off list, if anyone would like to let me know which they think are excellent and/or poor manuals and why, I would be interested to receive some feedback. -K -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual > The plain fact is that the EDP manual is easily as opaque as the worst > Roland manual. At least Roland 'engrish' manuals are an entertaining read. http://www.engrish.com I think that the manual has a lot to do with the unit's perception of 'complexity'. It definitely why >I< think it's complicated :> bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Elswit" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Sales would be much enhanced by a well laid out tutorial, > but by far the most effective evangelization would be a 15 minute video > showing what you can do with one. The fact that there isn't one with the > device over 4 years old tells you that Gibson has no clue what they have or > to whom they're selling. > > A 15 minute video on the EDP could do wonders to advance this form. > > Rik > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:05:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06509; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020724215942.83288.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:59:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Zappa, Bruford, and electronic percussion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207220645.CAA04504@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> I'll have to listen to the recordings I have from the 84 tour, and get back to you on that one. I will admit that drum solo on Does Humor Belong In Music is a bit too...well, I'm not a fan of drum solos in the first place, but I sometimes think the sounds that Chad came up with there sound more like a product demonstration that something you wuold present to a record buying or concert attending public. On the other hand, I always liked what Bill Bruford did with electronic drums, and was a bit dismayed when I saw King Crimson in 95, and saw that he had moved back to mostly using an acoustic drum set. I've since reversed myself, because, though he probably was one of the more interesting people I've heard use electronic percussion, he's also just as interesting and amazing when he plays an all acoustic kit. I remember being thoroughly impressed with his drum solo that opened the early show at The Knitting Factory in NYC on the BLUE tour (I'll always kick myself for not attending the late show, as well). But getting back to Zappa, I once read where he said one of the head of R&D at New England Digital (the company that manufactured the Synclavier) accused Frank of pushing the instrument past it's capablities on purpose, or something to that effect. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:10:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06714; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:55:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241755.AA28573824@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Surface One... X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <3dXql.A.RoB.wPyP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the Surface One page is gone from the new M-Audio site, but there is still a picture of it on their page headers... Wonder if it got dropped... Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:11:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07073; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:06:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3F23DB.AE39C094@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:02:03 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual References: <200207242108.g6OL8jAs018627@well.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <09nZR.A.5sB.bSyP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O list, A few quick things I dare to chime in with: Rik Elswit wrote: > Sales would be much enhanced by a well laid out tutorial, > but by far the most effective evangelization would be a 15 minute video > showing what you can do with one. 15 minutes would be far too short to comphrehensively cover all of the functions of the EDP, especially in LoopIV. I had more time than that at the Santa Cruz clinic, and I still didn't get the chance to touch on a lot of details. It was a crash course, and a successful one, but not the same as a dedicated analysis - which the circumstances would not have permitted anyway. > A 15 minute video on the EDP could do wonders to advance this form. Again, I firmly believe it would require far more than 15 minutes... but: There has been some talk about using footage of my Santa Cruz clinic for just such a purpose, and Gibson themselves are actively interested in this idea. After discussing it with Rick Walker, the conclusion has been reached that it would likely be more effective to shoot a new tutorial video, making sure to take extra care to be comprehensive with feature details, as well as nailing down a high quality audio recording to mix/sync with it later. I'm going to be gigging in the Bay Area in late August, and will likely do some filming at various loop-centric locales along the way at that time. A rough guess would be that there will be some sort of dedicated tutorial footage floating around by mid September. Exactly what form it might take, or how it might be distributed, is yet to be determined... Speaking of that, Rik, I actually wanted to ask you about the possibility of staging an EDP clinic at Banana's some time in the near future. Interested? Mail me off list if so and we can talk about the details... Best, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08436; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:19:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:19:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3F2708.80CB610A@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:15:37 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual References: <3D3DA74E.EBB24581@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c23337$ad353b40$3c2b93d4@black> <3D3F1458.79591767@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Mark, (Glad you like the new stuff, by the way - thanks for that!) Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Unlike the Repeater, the EDP does not have an intuitive interface. > Plain and simple. I was able to start using the Repeater's basic functions without > looking at it's manual. Here's a different way of looking at it: When you buy a new instrument, you need to spend time to learn how to play it. A lot of aspects of an instrument's design that might seem "unintuitive" at first glance are actually very intricately interwoven and laid out, and make a lot of sense - once you've developed a certain level of understanding with it. This is one reason why people like Kim tend to drae a distinction between "effects" and "instruments." It's not just a question of how they can be used, but how the user/player learns to think about them and their interface, and how that interface can (or should) be implemented in the first place. For my part, I would say the EDP's interface is INCREDIBLY intuitive - but it's not the sort of thing I would expect anyone to master in half a week's time, any more so than I'd expect anyone to be up and running at full speed on a new instrument in that time. To fully take advantage of the (extremely deep) architecture of the unit, you need to learn to think about it from its own point of view. That might not happen overnight. Any good and deep instrument takes time to learn, and if you want to use the EDP on a deep level, you need to set aside your instant gratification impulse and begin at the beginning. Everybody knows what Pitch Shifting and Timestretching and Track Panning do, so it makes sense that the Repeater would be easy to use out of the box. But you need to understand the EDP to a certain extent to start figuring out exactly what Unrounded Multiply, SUS-insert, Substitute, or Cycle+Confirm SwitchQuantization can do for you. My suggestion is to sit down and say, "OK, today I'm going to learn all about Multiply," and read through the Multiply section in the manual. You'll find that the section makes many references to other sections in the manual, which will lead you into looking up other functions and parameters. It's kind of like the EDP itself: the more time you spend learning about any one feature, the more you'll understand the unit as a whole - and the more you'll grow to appreciate the true depth of the instrument's design. Welcome to the club. ;) --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08805; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:24:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3F2998.CDF589B2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:26:32 -0400 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Spam or Virus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone else getting a large number of Spam-like messages from a sender known as SIZE=366587 (the number changes) It contains a few attachments. If you do, the email contains a virus known as the Klez virus, and of course, the attachments should not be opened. I'm wondering if it's spreading through this group. Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08927; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:24:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:24:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c23360$cd079b60$8c64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207242130.RAA02712@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Drummers playing to metronomes and loops live Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:23:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan wrote: "Besides having the drummer play to a metronome, instead of the real loop is no fun for the drummer..." Au contraire, mon frere, As a professional drummer who has done hundreds of studio sessions I have to say that playing to a metronome is a difficult task to learn and I , for one, really enjoy it live. There are tricks to learning how to be able to be 'expressive' and 'human' while doing so. The fact is that most drummers don't know how to do it in a more expressive way. Here is a set of exercises designed to help you learn how to play to a metronome with feeling and ease: Try this(even if you've never attempted to play to metronomes before): Set a metronome to a very comfortable speed where the click is set to 16th notes (NOT 1/4 notes). Now play a 16th note hi hat pattern (kick on 1 and 3, snare on 2 and 4) on hi hat (or touches if you are a percussionist or double picked palm mutes if you are a guitarist or bassist or, or , or) As you play, see if you can audio-hallucinate that the metronome is almost imperceptively slowing down. Keep trying and try to project onto your listening that the machine is loosing energy and slowing down. FEEL IT SLOW DOWN and then allow yourself to slow down with it. The more you do this exercise, the more you will be able to project this concept on your hearing....of course it is not actually happening, but you can convince yourself that it is. Keep letting it slow until it is going as slow as you can imagine it. NOW, try to 'drag' it down even further by playing slower. Never let yourself get away from it, but play as slowly as you can possibly play with out getting off of it. At some point you will play so slowly that it will start to sound 'wrong'. This is a crucial place. Now begin to experiment with finding the exact spot in your playing where it starts to feel wrong. Purposefully let yourself lose the metronome and then try to very slowly speed up until you are back with it again. The important thing here (and with all metronomic playing) is to not try and correct immeditately, but rather, to let yourself drift back to accuracy. As wierd as it may feel, when you remove the metronome and go back and listen to the recording of yourself, YOU WON"T EVEN HEAR THE MISTAKE. Okay, bear with me now. Now go back and do the same exercise, except audio hallucinate that the metronome is now slowing starting to speed up. follow the same instructions as above. Once you can do either of these exercises with impunity, try going to the slowest point you can (without ever letting the metronome get away from you) and then take 2 minutes to slowly speed up to get 'perfectly' in sync with the metronome. Then take 2 minutes to slowly speed up until you are playing as fast as you can without getting away from the metronome. Now reverse this entire process and slow down to the slowest again. Take four minutes to do so. this is difficult, btw, but you can do it and the concentration that you will need will start to give you a brand new understanding of just how deep 'time' is, even when you are playing to a constant metronomic speed. Repeat this process...........1 minute from Slowest to normal 1 minute from normal to Fastest Again.........................30 seconds " " 30 seconds " " then ..........................15 seconds " " and finally, How quickly can you go between playing as slow as you can to how fast you can. ALL RIGHT, NOW IS THE AMAZING THING: Now play to the metronome and don't think about it. You will now play perfectly in sync without ever having attempted it before. What we have just learned how to do is to play 'behind the beat' (or fatback drumming as it is called by r&b drummers in the south) and play 'ahead of the beat'(really prevalent in rock and roll, big band music---but not always). Some of the ways that I cultivate this is by thinking of emotional states that can go with playing behind the beat or playing ahead of the beat. Behind the Beat states: tired, langorous,depressed,sad,drunk (or other depressants), sleepy,a feeling of physical 'heaviness'(this one really works for me---'how heavy can I feel and still play accurately-----almost invariably, I will play behind the beat feeling this way) Ahead of the Beat states: nervous, edgy, excited, angry, aggressive, to much coffee (or other stimulants) I find if I emotionally hallucinate these states, that I will play commensorately behind or ahead of the beat. Of course, the metronome never strays, it is just your perception and reaction to it that strays. This is such a powerful skill. With it it can allow you to completely change the feel of a piece of music form langorously playing 'way back' on the beat to a very edgy, nervous, excited playing 'way up on the beat'. You can also use this technique to reel in an errant bass player or rhythm guitarist who has either.........drunk to much coffee or drunk to much bear or who is really angry (tends to rush) or really bummed out (tends to drag). A great technique that I have used for years to accomplish this is to play perfectly metrononically (to the best of your ability) an the play the snare drum as a flam that either flams late (behind the beat) or flams early (ahead of the beat). It is amazing how you can get another musician to unconciously respond to your movement hear. Great drummers all have an intrinsic grasp of this process (although most of them haven't done this particular exercise to learn it). I have used this method on beginning beginner students who have never ever played to a metronome (and you know how dicey that can be) and they are able to play perfectly with the metronome in the first hour of play. Amazing. good luck, let me know if you have any success with this technique. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) p.s. Next we take on playing to 'lumpy' loops. LOL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:45:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10001; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:41:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:41:08 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Drummers playing to metronomes and loops live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <053201c23363$33aefc80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200207242130.RAA02712@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f201c23360$cd079b60$8c64f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all right rick, you finally posted this exercise. it was worth the wait. good stuff. >... >or drunk to much bear >... i remember when i drunk my first bear... it put up quite a fight... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:46:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10246; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:45:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:45:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:45:30 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: Drummers playing to metronomes and loops live In-reply-to: <00f201c23360$cd079b60$8c64f93f@global> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahhhhhh, I wish every drummer in the whole wide world could read this. Great post Rick. For someone who plays right out front, check out Art Blakey. He used to not let anybody in his bands come out front with him, he liked them all to be back, mind you he was a long way forward, makes for a really interesting dynamic. You know you're getting somewhere when you start having arguments in your band along the lines of "oh man, you're always there, why don't we try it with you in some other place for a change" Elvin Jones is a great example of someone who has different parts of his kit in different places at the same time.Ditto Jack DeJohnette.You don't really hear a good drummer play right back all the time unless he is in a really strong group, it is too easy for people to get the wrong idea.The back of the beat seems to be the province of horn players and piano players, check out how far back Keith Jarrett can get sometimes. Also I have often noticed in jazz that a really tight band will all move up slightly on the time when moving into a solo, and then lean back on it when coming back into a head/ensemble. Bill Evans trios often did this, and Miles' groups. There is a whole world to be discovered through this kind of practise and listening. Cheers Andrew on 7/24/02 3:23 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com or somebody wrote: > Jonathan wrote: > > "Besides having the drummer play to a metronome, instead of the real loop is > no fun for the drummer..." > > > Au contraire, mon frere, > > As a professional drummer who has done hundreds of studio sessions I have to > say that playing to a metronome is a difficult task to learn and I > , for one, really enjoy it live. > > There are tricks to learning how to be able to be 'expressive' and 'human' > while doing so. > > The fact is that most drummers don't know how to do it in a more expressive > way. > > > Here is a set of exercises designed to help you learn how to play to a > metronome with feeling and ease: > > Try this(even if you've never attempted to play to metronomes before): > > Set a metronome to a very comfortable speed where the click is set to > 16th notes (NOT 1/4 notes). > > Now play a 16th note hi hat pattern (kick on 1 and 3, snare on 2 and 4) > on hi hat (or touches if you are a percussionist or double picked palm mutes > if you are a guitarist or bassist or, or , or) > > As you play, see if you can audio-hallucinate that the metronome is > almost imperceptively slowing down. Keep trying and try to project onto > your listening that the machine is loosing energy and slowing down. > > FEEL IT SLOW DOWN and then allow yourself to slow down with it. The more > you do this exercise, the more you will be able to project this concept on > your hearing....of course it is not actually happening, but you can convince > yourself that it is. > > Keep letting it slow until it is going as slow as you can imagine it. > NOW, try to 'drag' it down even further by playing slower. > Never let yourself get away from it, but play as slowly as you can possibly > play with out getting off of it. > > At some point you will play so slowly that it will start to sound 'wrong'. > > This is a crucial place. Now begin to experiment with finding the > exact spot in your playing where it starts to feel wrong. > > Purposefully let yourself lose the metronome and then try to very slowly > speed up until you are back with it again. > > The important thing here (and with all metronomic playing) is to not try and > correct immeditately, but rather, to let yourself drift back to accuracy. > > As wierd as it may feel, when you remove the metronome and go back and > listen to the recording of yourself, YOU WON"T EVEN HEAR THE MISTAKE. > > > Okay, bear with me now. > > Now go back and do the same exercise, except audio hallucinate that the > metronome is now slowing starting to speed up. follow the same > instructions as above. > > Once you can do either of these exercises with impunity, try > going to the slowest point you can (without ever letting the metronome get > away from you) and then take 2 minutes to slowly speed up to get > 'perfectly' in sync with the metronome. Then take 2 minutes to slowly > speed up until you are playing as fast as you can without getting away from > the metronome. Now reverse this entire process and slow down to the slowest > again. Take four minutes to do so. this is difficult, btw, but you can do > it and the concentration that you will need will start to give you a brand > new understanding of just how deep 'time' is, even when you are playing to a > constant metronomic speed. > > Repeat this process...........1 minute from Slowest to normal > 1 minute from normal to Fastest > > Again.........................30 seconds " " > 30 seconds " " > > then ..........................15 seconds " " > > and finally, How quickly can you go between playing as slow as you can > to how fast you can. > > ALL RIGHT, NOW IS THE AMAZING THING: > Now play to the metronome and don't think about it. You will now play > perfectly in sync without ever having attempted it before. > > What we have just learned how to do is to play 'behind the beat' (or fatback > drumming as it is called by r&b drummers in the south) and > play 'ahead of the beat'(really prevalent in rock and roll, big band > music---but not always). > > Some of the ways that I cultivate this is by thinking of emotional states > that can go with playing behind the beat or playing ahead of the beat. > > Behind the Beat states: tired, langorous,depressed,sad,drunk (or other > depressants), sleepy,a feeling of physical 'heaviness'(this one really works > for me---'how heavy can I feel and still play accurately-----almost > invariably, I will play behind the beat feeling this way) > > Ahead of the Beat states: nervous, edgy, excited, angry, aggressive, > to much coffee (or other stimulants) > > I find if I emotionally hallucinate these states, that I will play > commensorately behind or ahead of the beat. > > Of course, the metronome never strays, it is just your perception and > reaction to it that strays. > > This is such a powerful skill. With it it can allow you to completely > change the feel of a piece of music form langorously playing 'way back' on > the beat to a very edgy, nervous, excited playing 'way up on the beat'. > > You can also use this technique to reel in an errant bass player or > rhythm guitarist who has either.........drunk to much coffee or drunk to > much bear or who is really angry (tends to rush) or really bummed out > (tends to drag). > > A great technique that I have used for years to accomplish this is to > play perfectly metrononically (to the best of your ability) an the play > the snare drum as a flam that either flams late (behind the beat) or flams > early (ahead of the beat). It is amazing how you can get another musician > to unconciously respond to your movement hear. Great drummers all have an > intrinsic grasp of this process (although most of them haven't done this > particular exercise to learn it). > > I have used this method on beginning beginner students who have never > ever played to a metronome (and you know how dicey that can be) and they are > able to play perfectly with the metronome in the first hour of play. > Amazing. > > good luck, let me know if you have any success with this technique. > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > > p.s. Next we take on playing to 'lumpy' loops. LOL > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:54:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10817; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:53:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:53:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3F2FD8.BA2C1E88@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:53:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual References: <200207242108.g6OL8jAs018627@well.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9usKb.A.loC.f_yP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed! Being a salesperson of the EDP, I bet Rik knows a lot about what people expect from their manuals. Roland's stuff is usually HORRIBLE as well. Let's here it for our Mark Hamburg, and that Photoshop program he and his company sell. Talk about a tool with a huge amount of depth, and an amazing manual to go along with it. (for an extra $50 they sell a "Classroom in a book" tutorial book that's a great addition) If every tool had a manual like Adobe gives with it's program, we'd be sitting pretty. Mark Sottilaro Rik Elswit wrote: > The plain fact is that the EDP manual is easily as opaque as the worst > Roland manual. Sales would be much enhanced by a well laid out tutorial, > but by far the most effective evangelization would be a 15 minute video > showing what you can do with one. The fact that there isn't one with the > device over 4 years old tells you that Gibson has no clue what they have or > to whom they're selling. > > A 15 minute video on the EDP could do wonders to advance this form. > > Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:58:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11192; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:57:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:57:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE54@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Man! We like to diverge on many topics...) IMHO, language is used in two ways. I'll call them "poetically" and "technically." Like David Coffin remarked, you can taking advantage of a word's impreciseness or preciseness. Both have their places but it's frustrating when communicators mix them up. Though it leads to good discussions as long as everybody keeps their cool. Sometimes, I find it quite useful to distinguish "effect" from "instrument". Sometimes, not. Words are only references. It's the root concept that is important. "Once the moon has been observed, the pointing finger is of no interest." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 18:59:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11190; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:57:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: the meaning of meaning and dishwashing Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've come to believe (there's a clue for language cops in > the list) that I can carry a creative intent into all my > activities. > . . . Yes! To me, that approach makes every experience blossom with life. Most creative people I know feel like they are merely a conduit for some larger force when they are in the throes of creation. It's kind of an out of body experience (out of mind experience?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 19:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12879; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:02:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:02:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Drummers playing to metronomes and loops live Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:04:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00f201c23360$cd079b60$8c64f93f@global> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the great posting, Rick! Wonderful info! -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Drummers playing to metronomes and loops live Jonathan wrote: "Besides having the drummer play to a metronome, instead of the real loop is no fun for the drummer..." Au contraire, mon frere, As a professional drummer who has done hundreds of studio sessions I have to say that playing to a metronome is a difficult task to learn and I , for one, really enjoy it live. There are tricks to learning how to be able to be 'expressive' and 'human' while doing so. . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 19:07:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13126; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:06:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: David Torn EDP manual Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:07:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D3F2708.80CB610A@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > When you buy a new instrument, you need to spend time > to learn how to play it. A lot of aspects of an > instrument's design that might seem > . . . Yes! If you think the EDP manual is inadequate, you should see the flimsy excuse that came with my tablas! :D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 19:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13273; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:08:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:08:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=7.0 Message-ID: <3D3F32FF.553F46CF@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:06:39 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gizmotron References: <200207242246.SAA10311@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Engineering Sender: hans@ernieball.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, I was under the impression that it was the (electro)magnetic noise that was the problem. -Hans > Anyway, I wouldn't have thought about it, but it > does make sense that the motor might be a little > too close to the pickups. Pretty much anything > that makes mechanical noise, things like wind up > toys or an electric tooth brush or a vibrator, > even, will be amplified by the pickups if you get > them close enough. Thusly, I can see how the > motor on the Gizmotron was a little too close to > the pickups for most practical purposes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 19:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13820; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:18:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:18:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:56:59 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE5E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loop approach: Loop as effect Thread-Index: AcIzWecJjb6Nv6P3Se+kgrJeuRECcQAApFzw From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA13770 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com remember, that is my operating definition, based on how I see the words used around me. (not based on what I decided I wanted to be true.) I arrived at that by spending many years thinking about instrument design, observing people playing instruments, and discussing the subject with them. From my perception of things, these are the way the words get used, even though people don't necessarily clarify the meaning. ** still and all, your understanding comes from your perceptions and experiences and i have my own that flavor my concepts. first off, re-read the definition I gave. I didn't say an instrument is a "manipulation of the sound" at all. ** i know, but my point is that is i believe that is what an edp does, i think that you alluded to that elsewhere. I said it is a thing a musician physically manipulates in order to create music. In other words, something you stick your fingers, hands, lips, feet, or other body parts on and physically control in order to make music come out of you. ** i don't really like doing this, as it isn't always helpful and dictionaries are written by lay persons rather than musicians, but one dict. has a definition that is somewhat closer to yours - -and one that is closer to mine . . . (and to be completely literal, it doesn't make the "music come out of you" - - but i understand your point). i think much of it comes down to does it create sound on its own . . . and this is where the proverbial "most" people might join me - - if we were to care about that. Second, your idea that an instrument must make an "original musical sound" is definitely a "can of worms". In fact, so much so that I find it just doesn't work as a definition of "instrument". ** sure, since so many of us use "non-instruments" to make music. You can break it without much effort. It is very easy to give examples of items that people perceive easily as "instruments" yet which don't make any musical sound themselves. ** not always the best arbiter in my view. after all, many people use "its" and "it's" interchangeably - - doesn't mean it's correct. ("its" is the possessive of "it," "it's" is a contraction of "it is.") For example, any midi controller. It produces midi control bytes, not sounds. The midi data may cause sounds to be generated, but are they "original sounds"? Maybe not, maybe they are samples of something else. Maybe the midi data is being recorded into a sequencer without any sound at all. Yet, if you put a group of people in a room and had them watch somebody playing a midi keyboard, they would all refer to the device as an "instrument". ** i follow your logic until you subsitute "keyboard" for "controller" - - since they are very different things, i believe that this example does not work. a midi keyboard does create sound if it is amplified, the controller does not - - it only does that if it's hooked up to something that does create/produce a sound. the other thing is that getting the bytes into the sequencer is more akin to writing notes on a piece of paper than it is to playing sound in air. (still, both are musical activities - - well at least one hopes they are . . . ) ** i should have said that i consider a sample an "original sound" in this case . . . my mistake. and i don't mean "original" to mean "never heard before" . . . rather this is in relation to the idea of what a looping device, such as and edp, or an effects pedal does vis a vis the "original sound." With your definition, you have to jump through all sorts of complex hoops to resolve it with this particular situation. (you can do the opposite case too, conceiving of devices that produce "original musical sounds" but which nobody would normally consider an instrument.) For me, if it is getting that complicated, the definition ain't working because nobody is going through the world sorting out this many things before they speak. On the other hand, "musician puts his hands on object, actively controls it, music results in relation to what he does. therefore object= musical instrument." is really simple and for me seems to easily cover the situations I encounter in the world. ** i think that most of the definitions here would require some hoops . . . even the one you are using. "music resulting," under this definition, could include someone writing on musical notes on paper with a pencil, which are conceivably only "potential music." >that's why i think that some looping devices are more aptly termed >"compositional tools" - - they only put out what you put into them, but >can do all sorts of great things with that sound by creating form, etc. Maybe for you that is true. But that is definitely not how everybody is approaching looping. **right, but what i've heard about andre lf's usage leads me to believe that this is what he is doing. it *is* situational . . . When I watch a variety of people using loopers as I did at the loopfest, it is really hard for me to not see some people using them as "instruments". ** sure, i understand that, but this also gets into that gray area of perception . . . sorta like what is and isn't music - - we had the definition wars over that about a year and a half ago - - and we've seen the dj is musician yes/no war a few times. yes, exactly. I said that before. If you just record a loop and let it play away without any further interaction from you, then for you loopers are not instruments by my understanding of "instrument". ** i thought that dr. z had an interesting comment on this bit. Maybe they are "effects", maybe they are "recorders", maybe they are "compositional tools", maybe they are "glorified karaoke machines", or maybe they are something else. ** sure. the bottom line (another over-used cliche!) is that people are using them to make music in really cool ways. the interesting thing about them is that they *are* changing the discussion on music and music production/creation. (and you and matthias have had no small part in this, no?) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 19:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14335; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:24:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3F370C.768C8959@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:23:57 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual References: <3D3DA74E.EBB24581@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c23337$ad353b40$3c2b93d4@black> <3D3F1458.79591767@zerocrossing.net> <3D3F2708.80CB610A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre LaFosse wrote: > My suggestion is to sit down and say, "OK, today I'm going to learn all > about Multiply," and read through the Multiply section in the manual. > You'll find that the section makes many references to other sections in > the manual, which will lead you into looking up other functions and > parameters. Right. I agree with everything you said. My issue is, while trying to learn "all about Multiply" I find myself having to go all over the manual, which can be confusing. All I'm saying is that "all about Multiply" should be in the form of a chapter. For bonus, add a little "for example...." in each function. See what I mean? It's not so much the writing of the manual, that's actually fine. I'm just saying the layout is wack. If you need to find something alphabetically, go to the index, that's what they're for. When you're learning about Physics, you don't start with Einstein and then go to Newton, because E comes before N. After you've read the book and want to find out more about Einstein, you can check out what pages he's on in the index. Also, I think it's unfair to compare the EDP, or any piece of gear, to an instrument, unless you're talking about bagpipes! My guitar has an incredibly simple interface! Put your finger in a position on the neck and a particular note will play. The end. Of course learning about what combination of notes work to sound like you want them to, is another story, and that's music theory. Piano's the same. Here's 88 buttons, go crazy. Playing it skillfully is a totally different story. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 19:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15287; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:39:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:44:30 -0700 Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D3F370C.768C8959@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4-OXt.A.HuD.zpzP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EDP manual is very easy if you just read the section at the beginning that tells you how to work record, overdub, and multiply. About the only thing really lacking there is advice about ending record with overdub to avoid bumps. I believe you can also pre-set the loop to overdub mode before recording, but this turns off the tempo preset as well and hence isn't really recommended. After that, however, it's pretty much the deep end. What I think is needed are more discussions of the form "I want to configure my EDP to do X" where X is things like sync to a drum machine, work with a MIDI pedal, work in stereo (that's actually covered), etc.. Past that, a lot of the material is probably best covered in reference manual form though it could almost certainly use more examples of why you would want to do certain things. It might also be better to do something other than an alphabetical reference manual by introducing some higher-level grouping. After all, an index provides a way for people to look things up when thinking alphabetically. But then, I think Photoshop is relatively easy to use despite having a manual that mostly looks pretty. (Illustrator, on the other hand, tends to frustrate the heck out of me.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 19:47:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15804; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:46:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:46:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c23339$ac8eb020$07f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <3D3F2998.CDF589B2@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Spam or Virus Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:43:50 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com klez is stil out there and abundant. i get at least one each day...from different senders each time...different file name, same stupid virus. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 19:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15930; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:47:22 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "ernesto schnack" X-Epoch: 1027554442 X-Sasl-enc: HO77ZeOm6H9u7FYvN1VVuQ Subject: RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect Message-Id: <20020724234722.1AE556DA9A@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: <6n_VUD.A.o4D.SyzP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this discussion is a bit vague, since "effects" is really a generic term for a vast array of tools with different purposes. So to "use a looper as an effect" doesn't really say much. Also, we tend to think of instruments as a self-contained device, but i wouldn't consider a looper by itself an instrument. OTOH a looper and a guitar:*that's* an instrument. Just like I would consider a guitar with an amplifier a whole instrument. Another example would be a filter. By itself it's just an "effect", but add an oscillator and some other things, and suddenly you have an instrument. And whether you actively interact with the filter or just leave it alone, it's still considered a part of the instrument, no? Ernesto -- http://fastmail.fm - Ever wonder why we aren't named snailmail.sm? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 20:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18669; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:08:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:08:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:07:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200207250007.g6P07ehh013184@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no problem with the EDP itself. And I think the first level of access is very intuitive. The manual is the problem. And the reason I mentioned Roland' stuff is that they have managed to work around the problem. Roland US has a bunch of quickstart manuals and video manuals for their stuff that are designed to get past the books that ship with their boxes. You don't have to show everything the box does. You get them up and running, and you show a few tricks. My demo of the EDP consists of making a short loop, doing a few overdubs, undoing the overdubs back to the original loop, and then demonstrating multiply. Then I'll play a 4 bar ostinato, loop it and show how you can alter the feel of a melody by changing your backup style. It takes five minutes and it gets them up and running. The main problem with the manual is that it's laid out like an index. If you know where to look, you can find 5 different ways to framus the widget, but no explanation of why you would want to framus a widget. The best teaching approach (which is also the best approach for sales and evangelism) is to give a quick course in the basics and to save the deep details for volume 2. That being said, the best thing Gibson could do is produce an hour's video of Andre working out. And give it away free. Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 20:11:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18965; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:10:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <3D3F155D.229D0AE0@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:15:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 00:09:46.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[956E3790:01C2336F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's a tough one. I've only had luck when we had a drummer with a > looper (Hi Jon W!) Last time we played, Mark brought up a cool idea that I want to ask about now. Has anyone tried using some sort of midi-time code synced strobe light to define the beat? Sort of a visual click track. In a way, the repeater has one, and the EDP loop IV has one too, which I find useful. But it would be neat to try something nice and bright, and with a definate "attack" Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 20:17:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19272; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:16:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:16:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200207250016.g6P0G92t023516@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "What I think is needed are more discussions of the form "I want to configure my EDP to do X" where X is things like sync to a drum machine, work with a MIDI pedal, work in stereo (that's actually covered), etc.." Now you're talking. Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 20:23:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19596; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:23:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:23:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3F4411.1AFCE4E@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:19:28 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual References: <3D3DA74E.EBB24581@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c23337$ad353b40$3c2b93d4@black> <3D3F1458.79591767@zerocrossing.net> <3D3F2708.80CB610A@earthlink.net> <3D3F370C.768C8959@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Mark, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Also, I think it's unfair to compare the EDP, or any piece of gear, to an instrument, > unless you're talking about bagpipes! My guitar has an incredibly simple interface! > Put your finger in a position on the neck and a particular note will play. The end. Of > course learning about what combination of notes work to sound like you want them to, is > another story, and that's music theory. A fine point - which illustrates why thinking of the EDP as an instrument makes more sense to me! If you want to engage any particular function on the EDP, it's a question of hitting a button or two. Multiply? Hit the "multiply" button. Unrounded Multiply? Hit Multiply and end with Record. That's no more complex than putting the finger on the fret and striking the note, to me. The physical interface is very straightforward, I think. And again, just about all of the functions in the EDP - including the vast DirectMIDI implementation in LoopIV - essentially originate from something which can be executed using one or two front-panel button presses. But as you say, the theory behind the interface is another story altogether, and the "theoretical" angle of the EDP is a big part of what makes it so powerful. Just like you need to learn what sorts of notes work against what sorts of chords, so too does trying different combinations of functions and parameters produce different sorts of results. But finding out how to communicate all of this stuff is not easy - the sort of examples and features that would be used for learning Matthias' incredibly smooth, fluid, graceful "ambient folk" style would be totally different from how I would teach the glitch technique, the turntablist technique, etc. So writing a tutorial begs the question: what style of playing are you trying to tutor a person in, anyway? If someone wants to play ambient soundscapes, should they have to sit through a lesson in my skipping CD player routine? If somebody wants to lay down chords and then solo over them for five days with different NextLoop and AutoRecord strategies, will a lesson in Matthias' style go over their heads? This is stuff I've been wrestling with (and continue to wrestle with) as I've thought about the Santa Cruz clinic, and now as I gear up for some "serious" videos. I could easily imagine spending several hours talking about different things I do with the EDP, and that would only cover the areas of the unit I use myself - which is by no means the full depth and breadth of the unit. Oh well... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 20:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20541; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <74.2040f8ad.2a70a13e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:33:02 EDT Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA20498 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, >Just an omage to your particular brand of prose. Though inarticulate it >may be, your posts certianly convey something, like a beautiful poem >about the repeater... well, thanks for that! 'tis nice to feel appreciated, sometimes and somehow..... i'd add, here, that --- regardless of the fact that i was medically 'out-of-it', at the time, and that the production values were painfully low--- i believe that my little (inexpensive, & therefore accessible) 'instructional'-video (c. 1992) did offer some reasonably articulate pointers, re: looping. add'ly, i think that there's a fairly large body of written/spoken shite from me extant, directly related to looping --- both public (in the form of interviews & whatnot), and private (in the form of papers that i've occasionally written for real & potential manufacturers/developers temporarily obsessed with the subject & practice). in my little life-as-a-looper, there have been at least three instances in which loop-instrument-manufacturers have expressed interest in co-producing w/me a dedicated instructional video, and/or mounting a series of regular clinic/promotional tours, in order to: b) offer folks a broad-range sped-up edumacation in the possibilities brought forward by the act of 'loop', and a) thereby better promote their product(s) for the future: while none of these ever actually occurred as they might have, i'd opine that the failure to produce same was clearly not mine to claim. (though, to be fair, lexicon did have me do one shamelessly/pointlessly under-promoted loop-clinic at sam ash/nyc, when the jamman was first released). frankly..... i remain very hopeful that gibson will now (at long last; god bless 'em) do something along these lines w/andré and other folk, for the edp, the awesome loopIV and the future of looping-at-large. then, someday ---after the potential for niche-marketing has finally been exposed--- we might have the opportunity to see the gary halls, matthias', kims', jhnos, marc poiriers & dougwyatts of the world placed in a well- aerated office/studio-blender w/some savvy UI-folk, not to emerge until the next stage of looping --- complete w/add-on dedicated, visceral, touchy-feely hardware interface --- is on the boards and ready to roll. until then, i'm happy-as-a-clam abusing loop IV, repeater & my garyhallerised-pcm42. anyway. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 20:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20811; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:37:26 EDT Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jonathanyandel@msn.com writes: >I just figured I'd throw this question out there and hopefully get some >help: any tips on syncing loops up with a real drummer (the first track >off of the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd is a great example)? i was triggering/re-triggering the edp on the fly, manually..... well, pedically, actually, if you'll allow the turn-of-phrase. so: i took responsibility for keeping the loop in time..... or *kinda* in time, anyway: no midi-clocks in that band. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 20:50:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21486; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Surface One... Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:51:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200207241755.AA28573824@mail.unitcircle.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > the Surface One page is gone from the new M-Audio site, > but there is still a picture of it on their page headers > ... Wonder if it got dropped... Hmmm, that would be too bad. It looked like a really cool idea with lot's of growth potential. BTW: Check out http://www.essentialreality.com/products.html This might be cool as a gestural controller for surround looping. Probably pretty easy to make it send MIDI messages. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 21:18:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24080; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:16:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:16:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:02:34 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Surface One... In-reply-to: <200207241755.AA28573824@mail.unitcircle.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: kevin@unitcircle.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200207241755.AA28573824@mail.unitcircle.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:55 PM -0400 7/24/02, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: >the Surface One page is gone from the new M-Audio site, but there is >still a picture of it on their page headers... Wonder if it got >dropped... Last I head the Surface One had just gone into beta test. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 21:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24598; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <1b9.3b4f456.2a70ae09@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:27:37 EDT Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA24571 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com among other things, ms said: >> Also, I think it's unfair to compare the EDP, or any piece of gear, to >an instrument, >> unless you're talking about bagpipes! My guitar has an incredibly simple >interface! >> Put your finger in a position on the neck and a particular note will >play. The end. well, uhhh..... not intending to be difficult, here, but: that certainly does not cover the way i approach the guitar..... or any of the other instruments i play, for that matter..... then, among other things, andré said: >If you want to engage any particular function on the EDP, it's a >question of hitting a button or two. Multiply? Hit the "multiply" >button. Unrounded Multiply? Hit Multiply and end with Record. That's >no more complex than putting the finger on the fret and striking the >note, to me. >The physical interface is very straightforward, I think. while handily done for what the edp actually offers (and at a price-point), it is not nearly physically reflective of what's technically available, esp. as the software has developed. straightforward? yup: it's a buncha buttons (and a pedal and a knob) accessing multi-layered menus. physical interface? still a long way to go..... but the best available. anyway, pls don't misunderstand me, here: i loves my edp: for me, looping without it would be, well, like living in the past..... >And again, >just about all of the functions in the EDP - including the vast >DirectMIDI implementation in LoopIV - jahwohl: good, that..... >essentially originate from >something which can be executed using one or two front-panel button presses. sort of..... if you don't include 'paging' to the menu-function, right? >But as you say, the theory behind the interface is another story >altogether, and the "theoretical" angle of the EDP is a big part of what >makes it so powerful. yes, but these are different arenas: the theoretical angle/approach of the edp (ie, the edp's capabilities), and the human interface with same. the edp's angle & approach sure suits me fine; the interface improved vastly w/loopIV's midi-imp, but still leaves some folk flustrated: the legacy of the multi-tiered menu-approach conveys a certain opacity to many musicians from what is ---in effect--- really an extremely visceral instrument. >Just like you need to learn what sorts of notes >work against what sorts of chords, so too does trying different >combinations of functions and parameters produce different sorts of results. truth. nothing wrong w/seeking a little guidance, though, especially if one is confounded by the UI. >But finding out how to communicate all of this stuff is not easy - the >sort of examples and features that would be used for learning Matthias' >incredibly smooth, fluid, graceful "ambient folk" style would be totally >different from how I would teach the glitch technique, the turntablist >technique, etc. true, but: a well-produced video manual/tutorial might exhibit *indicators* into what a hardcore-user may consider to be all the primary 'pathways'; every last little thing needn't be exemplified in such a work, just clear pointers to the main routes..... dontcha think? or..... >So writing a tutorial begs the question: what style of playing are you >trying to tutor a person in, anyway? if it is a tutorial that accompanies the unit, one may not wanna evangelise one style as opposed to any other..... where different types of technique are available, one will need to make 'stylistic' choices in individual regions of the tutorial. that being said: if it is a self-produced tutorial, or the manufacturer has a particular musical/stylistic bent, then one can promote whatever agenda is currently being entertained..... >If someone wants to play ambient >soundscapes, should they have to sit through a lesson in my skipping CD >player routine? ..... so long as they get something they need at some point, well..... why not? >If somebody wants to lay down chords and then solo over >them for five days with different NextLoop and AutoRecord strategies, >will a lesson in Matthias' style go over their heads? maybe, but: see above. and: maybe not, depending on the communication skills of the presenter(s) and the edit-flow. >This is stuff I've been wrestling with (and continue to wrestle with) as >I've thought about the Santa Cruz clinic, and now as I gear up for some >"serious" videos. I could easily imagine spending several hours talking >about different things I do with the EDP, and that would only cover the >areas of the unit I use myself - which is by no means the full depth and >breadth of the unit. >Oh well... sounds like: ya gotta decide what the goal of this project is to be..... in-depth presentation of everything? help for novices? touching all bases? promote IMI-IBI, ambient, glitch, FSU, quasi-turntablism, or continue the legacy of frippertronics? choices, choices..... i know where i'd go with it, dude! call me if you want any lousy advice..... *-)) the r*d to h*ll is paved w/f*c**d-u* int*nti*ns, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 21:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26101; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:57:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c2337e$73e55360$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <1b9.3b4f456.2a70ae09@aol.com> Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:56:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reminds me of the fact that all the musical traditions are passed down from person to person- not from book to person IMO- blues, jazz, Indian, Western even- and that this human exchange is crucial to the development of music- there are of course those seemingly self-sufficient creators who seem to do it all on their own- but is never really the case- FZ, Ravi Shankar, I remember seeing Ishtak Perlman feeling somewhat amazed when he played with a small group which performed Jewish traditionals and attempted to improvise with them as they did- he sucked and basically admitted it was one of the most challenging things he has ever done. I am often confounded by the feeling that I should be entirely creatively self sufficient- eternally inspired to create complete compositions all on my own- and then the band gets together and the collective energy is so awesome it grounds me to the fact that the interaction of musicians is a wonderful thing. Upon closer inspection I see many of my favs worked this way even though it may have appeared different on the outside- Bob Marley, Patti Smith, Devo, Ravi Shankar, etc- there were clearly powerhouse individuals involved but I'm sure the behind the scenes view would reveal a well tempered perspective including a lot of group interaction. Heck- Lennon/Mcartney for damn sake. I remember working on the GOP project (we did it at LoopStock) and really not knowing how to create ambient textures at all with my guitar- I lerned a lot from the other members and carried a tinge of that fact for awhile- and occasionally I am plagued by feeling like a LaFosse rip off looping on the EDP- *see middle section of "Felix's Erection" on my site- but hopefully you use the learned techniques with integrity and all is well with the world. There is always a special feeling when you make discoveries entirely on your own though! Cliff www.om-studios.com > true, but: > a well-produced video manual/tutorial might exhibit *indicators* into what a > hardcore-user may consider to be all the primary 'pathways'; every last > little thing needn't be exemplified in such a work, just clear pointers to > the main routes..... > dontcha think? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 24 23:06:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32131; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:05:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c23388$9c05f480$1ec8bb3f@TommyD> From: "Tom Dauria" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:08:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2334D.ECD6E580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1wmzK.A.l1H.0r2P9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2334D.ECD6E580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2334D.ECD6E580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2334D.ECD6E580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 01:30:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08127; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.24.116.150] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:31:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23372.95DA5F80" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 05:29:16.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[37F51AC0:01C2339C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23372.95DA5F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dt writes: >i'd add, here, that --- regardless of the fact that i was medically =20 >'out-of-it', at the time, and that the production values were painfully =20 >low--- i believe that my little (inexpensive, & therefore accessible) =20 >'instructional'-video (c. 1992) did offer some reasonably articulate =20 >pointers, re: looping. Couldn't agree more. I'm probably preaching to the choir, but those vide= os opened up so many doors and changed the way I view music-making for go= od. =20 jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explo= rer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23372.95DA5F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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<= P>>i'd add, here, that --- regardless of the fact that i was medically=
>'out-of-it', at the time, and that the production values were pa= infully
>low--- i believe that my little (inexpensive, & there= fore accessible)
>'instructional'-video (c. 1992) did offer some r= easonably articulate
>pointers, re: looping.

Couldn't a= gree more.  I'm probably preaching to the choir, but those videos op= ened up so many doors and changed the way I view music-making for good.&n= bsp;

jonathan

 


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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23372.95DA5F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 02:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11112; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:17:43 -0700 Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3AF613D4-9F96-11D6-80BE-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The infamous Wink Blink Synch (a failed device a friend made that sent a tap for any multiple of LED pulses it detected) actually did this with a fairly large piece of EL pad. It's problem was it wasn't sensitive enough to react to the Repeater's LED. It did react to other LEDs though, and was nice and bright. I sent it back for him to tweak, but never got it back. The funny thing is, it was meant to send tap to a Vortex, which I don't even own anymore. Waaaa waaaaa. But basically, I don't think something like this is rocket science. I've worked with photographers that have strobes that slave off eachother by detecting eachother's light. I say this, with no knowledge at all of how to do it. I also notice that I look less at the Repeater's LED ring, and more at the number count down. Something about that count down makes it easier to follow. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 24, 2002, at 05:15 AM, Jon Wagner wrote: >> It's a tough one. I've only had luck when we had a drummer with a >> looper (Hi Jon W!) > > Last time we played, Mark brought up a cool idea that I want to ask > about > now. Has anyone tried using some sort of midi-time code synced strobe > light > to define the beat? Sort of a visual click track. In a way, the > repeater > has one, and the EDP loop IV has one too, which I find useful. But it > would > be neat to try something nice and bright, and with a definate "attack" > > Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 02:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12143; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:36:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:36:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.194.188] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Excitement in Baltimore Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:35:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 06:35:39.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E1745B0:01C233A5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All of a sudden, I wish I had the means to get to Baltimore. There are two fascinating events going on there: (A 12 hour uninterrupted improv?! Perhaps I'm taking this too literally by thinking that there would be NO moments of silence. The idea of having musicians play in shifts is really neat. Wonder what the chances are of getting something like that together on this coast....) I also notice that LD's own Rob Switzer is among the performers. ------------------------- The Red Room is closed this weekend to make way for two extremely large scale, rich events in the history of Baltimore experimental music that are happening in Baltimore. Both events are entirely free. "Oddstruments" A gallery exhition of totally original instruments & their sounds, featuring work by Neil Feather, Reed Ghazala, Eric Leonardson, Michael Johnsen, Catherine Pancake, Ricardo Arias, Bradford Reed, Colin Hinz, and Andy Hayleck. An incredibly rare dose of very imaginative stimulus. http://www.johnberndt.org/oddstruments - plus, simultaneously, next door - "Sound/Shift" July 26th, 27th & 28th. Possibly the largest ever massing of musicians in North America for the purposes of pure experimental improvisation, this event bring around 80 improvisors together for three day-long (12-hour) uninterupted pieces of music, playing in overlapping shifts. An almost complete list of musicians is at the bottom of this email. With no aesthetic constraints other than that the music be wholy improvised, this is likely to be an extremely varied experience, and one that stretches perceptual, psychological, and social boundaries. A complete schedule can be found at - http://www.johnberndt.org/soundshift ARTSCAPE is www.artscape.org and the event is sponsored by Artscape, along with the Baltimore Office of Tourism and Promotion, and Mayer Martin O'Malley and the Citizens of Baltimore. Maps and directions can be found on the web site--parking is complicated, so it is best to park a couple blocks away and walk in. at The Red Room c/o. Normals Books and Records 25 E. 31st Street Baltimore http://www.redroom.org ============================================ Soundshift Features the following musicians: BALTIMORE: Neil Feather Jackie Blake Scott Larson John Berndt Julia Hammid John Dierker Kristen Toedtman Lafayette Gilchrist Mike Barker Dan Breen Andy Hayleck Calvin Tullos Vattel Cherry Chris Pumphrey Chris Donaghue John Lemonds Timothey Nohe Steve Castor Steve Bradley Michael Mersky aka LARKIN Twig Harper Carly Ptak Jason Urick David Crandall Tom Boram Jake Amaral Jason Willett Alex Strama Audrey Chen Ian Nagoski Greg O'brien keith childress Mark Richards Patrick Crouch Louis t. Gordy keith childres Jef Allen George Spicka Tom Goldstienm Adam Wright Ryan Copland Bryan Martin Mark Richards Chiara Giovando Doug Holden Dave Atoms Tyler Wilcox Wes Matthews ________________________________ ELSEWHERE: Ricardo Arias Lukas Legeti Eric Leonardson Elliot Levine Toshi Makihara Alberto Gait‡n Jonathan Matis Robert Switzer Steve Loewy Rachel Loewy Ernesto Diaz-Infante Charles Cohen Jim Meneses Helena Espvall-Santoleri Mike Sebastian Blaise Siwula Adam Lane Gary Hassay Stanley Schumacher Rotcod Zzaj Dan DeChellis Anita DeCellis Matt Hannafin Willie Mack Chris Forsyth Mary Flannery Robert W. Getz Chris Heenan Yvette Perez Elizabeth Ebaugh Zack Ebaugh and many, many more! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 02:47:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12770; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:47:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:46:39 +0200 Subject: Re: Drummers playing to metronomes and loops live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00f201c23360$cd079b60$8c64f93f@global> Message-Id: <45E7EF54-9F9A-11D6-B0B5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <-mXioC.A.OHD.w75P9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 12:23 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > Stuff about Audio Halluciination.... That was an amazing read. It was not until I was half way through your text that I realised that I often do the the same rhythmically with the violin, when playing with the DL4. I can speed up and slow down the performance at will, whilst the loop remains the same constant speed... or at least it feels as though I can. I never realised that it had a name :) Audio Hallucination.... Its got nice ring to it :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 02:54:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13167; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:53:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:53:23 -0700 Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <74.2040f8ad.2a70a13e@aol.com> Message-Id: <36256832-9F9B-11D6-80BE-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But my pal David Klausner tells of a David Torn JamMan demo at The Ithaca Guitar Center, many days gone by... or is that just Ithaca NY lore? BTW, if anyone knows a Guitarist/Stick player (and JamMan abuser) by the name of David Klausner, I'd love his email address. He was a long time Ithaca (Enfield actually) resident, and then he moved away and I've lost track of him. Was the first musician I shared a MIDI clock with! Many food credits were earned at our ABC Cafe performances. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 24, 2002, at 05:33 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > (though, to be fair, lexicon did have me do one shamelessly/pointlessly > under-promoted loop-clinic at sam ash/nyc, when the jamman was first > released). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 03:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14996; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:02:56 +0200 Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3AF613D4-9F96-11D6-80BE-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <8BFB4DCF-9F9C-11D6-B0B5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a great jam on the streets of Paris the other day with a bass clarinetist from Canada called Phil D'Gi (he's a street entertainer there)... and it was probably the first performance using loops that actually worked. He just turned up whilst I was playing and begging for money and asked "Can I play?". Normally I'm quite hesitant about jamming, because the DL4 is pretty restrictive with changing the tempo, and most musicians have difficulty playing to what I call an open/closed BPM loop (In other words, a loop that is played imperfectly tempo-wise, but repeats perfectly every time) Anyway, we jammed for about an hour, and at one stage, had over 100 people around us.... freeform jazz - most of the accompianment coming from the DL4/Violin, very tight performance. People asked us how long we had been playing together.... and just would not believe that we had just met... I never did see him again after that day.... The only other time I've used loops comfortably with other people was at an art gallery last month. My student had just purchased a 6-string electric violin, a talented singer/songwriter turned up with his guitar, and a percussionist arrived without drums.... but 5 minutes of searching found himself with a couple of bins and shaky things to hit. Again, it was total impro.... and it worked. I'm rambling...... need coffee..... just woken up..... deficating from the brain..... :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 03:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15290; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:11:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:11:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020725011149.00a63ce0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:11:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Drummers playing to metronomes and loops live In-Reply-To: <00f201c23360$cd079b60$8c64f93f@global> References: <200207242130.RAA02712@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_2suHB.A.huD.DS6P9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, thanks so much for the excellent post! This touches on something I teach my students as well, from the idea of subdivision of the beat, which I demonstrated with Kai Eckhardt at a workshop. I view the time between clicks as more of a space in which to play. This way, I simply view a particular space as being large enough for me to play a certain number of notes within. And, from my point of view, it's as if the metronome slows down to accommodate me, and I, as well, become relaxed in the timing. If I think of a smaller space the metronome seems to move faster, and again, if I think of a larger space, it moves more slowly. It's alot of fun. In this way, I'm not only able to practice quite comfortably at speeds of 16th notes at 208 bpm with a quarter note click. -as high -as my metronome at work will go, but also at very slow speeds as well, and then move smoothly from one extreme to another... -One's perception is a very powerful thing... Thanks again. Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 03:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15431; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:15:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:15:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f801c233aa$e17cbae0$2663f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207250023.UAA19650@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Playing behind the beat? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:14:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <-Z4EX.A.vwD.rV6P9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andrew Pask wrote: "The back of the beat seems to be the province of horn players and piano players, check out how far back Keith Jarrett can get sometimes." In my experience, most horn players who were classically trained have been so brow beaten by conductors to 'not rush' that they have a very strong tendency to play way, way back of the beat. This can cause some problems in performance (especially relative to live playing and relating to loops). To whit: I once played with a professional Motown band. I thank them profusely because it was like going to the college of time playing with them. They were all good players, but the time situation was thus: The guitarist was a perfect metronomic, unwaivering player. The entire horn section dragged like motherf*ckers but were consistent in their sense of time. This situation alone was fraught with problems with that situation alone. Add to this the fact the bass player (who was a really good musician) started off everysingle night by downing 4 cups of very, very sweet coffee, one right after the other...................he then proceeded, very methodically, to drink beer after beer after beer. consequently, like clock work, he played on top of the beat for set one (this was in bar wars, mind you), came to the middle of the beat in the middle of set two, started dragging in set three and then dragged horribly as he got completely drunk by set four. I did so many gigs with them in a short span of time that I could set my watch by this process. All night long I was trying as hard as possible to rectify the lack of cohesion in the band, rhythmically and it was really, really difficult. What was great about it, is that I had to listen harder than I've ever listened in my life to really, really subtle details of where the beat lies. I ultimately quit the band over this issue, but it was a great teacher to me: the greatest teacher until I started purposefully screwing around with the placement of the beat relative to a loop. Steve Lawson, if you happen to be reading this, please tell us all about your concept of stretching of phrasing relative to loops that are hint at metricity but don't play strictly metronomically. You would do it better justice than me. You, along with Debhashish Battycharya (the great hindi classical slide guitarist from Calcutta)have been my rhythmic gurus in the last year........:-) Oh yeah, and that crazy guy on the Santa Cruz Mall who plays tambourine that has NOTHING TO DO WITH any kind of repetitive rhythm or syncopative resolution.............He is so out, that trying to reproduce what he does has me absolutely fascinated. If I can cop his shit, I will put myself up for Rhythmic Guru status............LMAO!!! Well, my fingers are tired and I just heard that there is a killer UK DJ performing downtown tonight (on a Wendesday night?) so I'm going to go and jack hammer dance with all the young 19 year old drum and bass freaks. Wish me a heart attack free dancing experience, y'all. later, Rick (loop.pool) PS, I also thought I'd share this little concept with you all about visualizing the placement of the beat in a rhythm. In considering the placement of the backbeat (beats 2 and 4 on snare in most pop songs) I tell my drum students that I try to visualize one side of my drum studio as the 2 and the opposite side of my drum studio as the 16th note after two and I try to visualize myself as putting the backbeat somewhere in that space. Make this be the 16th before 2 and the 2 if you are trying to play 'on top' of the beat. Am I being clear? I try to visualize that space as being as large physically as possible and imagine my place in it, relative to the metronomic note that I am trying to play. Try this exercise.......it really stretches the mind, but I think you can do it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 06:00:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28259; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 05:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 05:59:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c233c2$30cfec40$06434ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:01:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <8RcYuD.A.D5G.uv8P9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" > > When you buy a new instrument, you need to spend time > > to learn how to play it. A lot of aspects of an > > instrument's design that might seem > > . . . > > Yes! If you think the EDP manual is inadequate, you should see the flimsy > excuse that came with my tablas! :D LOL Step 1) be born into Tabla dynasty, preferably benares tradition Step2) find guru - helps if he's a close relative Step 3) play 14 hours a day from the age of 4 to about 20 Step 4) you are now ready to play concerts - book a venue and a harmonium dude, and entertain the masses for about 7 hours with no break sounds pretty comprehensive to me... :o) Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 06:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29688; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:24:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010c01c233c5$71464640$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:24:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0109_01C233CD.D2320180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C233CD.D2320180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't disagree, Homeboy! I've wanted for some time to be able to add = guitar loopage as background to regular "pop" music. Perhaps it would = at least partially legitimize it, hm? I find the most difficult bits are still with respect to timing of the = loop in relation to the beat/etc.; and I think of the ideal situation = for it as being with someone else controlling the length and placement, = and my just working within the construct. It might make the material = meld better with what it's providing background for, yes? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan Yandel=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 19:02 PM Subject: loops w/ live groups Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to = looping, I suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with a = live band--you know, not just soundscapes and drones, but also more = rhythmical loops. However, getting these to sync up to a drummer (or = vice versa) can be a bit of a challenge, at least to a relatively new = "loopist". I just figured I'd throw this question out there and = hopefully get some help: any tips on syncing loops up with a real = drummer (the first track off of the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd = is a great example)? Right now I'm using a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so = the possibility of taking advantage of MIDI could work, if it supplied a = click track for my drummer... Sorry if this distracts some of you from the loop as fx vs loop as = instrument debate 8^) jonathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : = http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C233CD.D2320180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't disagree, = Homeboy!  I've=20 wanted for some time to be able to add guitar loopage as background to = regular=20 "pop" music.  Perhaps it would at least partially legitimize it,=20 hm?
 
I find the most = difficult bits are=20 still with respect to timing of the loop in relation to the beat/etc.; = and I=20 think of the ideal situation for it as being with someone else = controlling the=20 length and placement, and my just working within the construct.  It = might=20 make the material meld better with what it's providing background for,=20 yes?
----- Original Message -----
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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 = 19:02=20 PM
Subject: loops w/ live = groups

Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to = looping, I suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with a = live=20 band--you know, not just soundscapes and drones, but also = more rhythmical=20 loops.  However, getting these to sync up to a drummer (or vice = versa)=20 can be a bit of a challenge, at least to a relatively new = "loopist".  I=20 just figured I'd throw this question out there and hopefully get some = help:=20 any tips on syncing loops up with a real drummer (the first track off = of the=20 Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd is a great example)?  Right = now I'm=20 using a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so the possibility of taking advantage = of MIDI=20 could work, if it supplied a click track for my drummer...
 
Sorry if this distracts some of you from the loop as fx vs loop = as=20 instrument debate 8^)
 
jonathan
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C233CD.D2320180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 07:38:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01525; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:37:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Boston gig spam - dosage & the squares @ zeitgeist gallery, "the sketchpad" relaunched X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, all. Three months ago we here in Boston suffered a serious blow when the Zeitgeist Gallery burned to the ground. For many, including myself, it was a loss of enormous proportions, the gallery being one of the few adventurous performances spaces in town, and a great place to loop. I'm proud to annonuce the return of the Zeitgeist, in its new (and improved) location in Inman Square, Cambridge, as well as the return of my concert series, "the sketchpad," at which many fine loopers have appeared, including the peerless David Goodrich. I'll be looping there this Sunday night, and there's an open reception on Friday, so I'd love to see some Boston looper types down there, if you can swing through. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.i.m. > presents > the sketchpad Sunday, July 28th, 8:00 PM dosage with The Squares at the NEW Zeitgeist Gallery 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Square Cambridge, MA 02139 $6 at the door / all ages / BYOB http://aim.telepathyrecords.com http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org dosage is a Boston-based noise artist who, for most of 2002, has been mesmerizing, stupefying, and annoying audiences on both sides of the river with his psychedelic blend of sound-collage and harsh noise, made from distorted electrical hum, chance random-object deconstructions (performed on a prepared guitar), improvised real-time sampling of AM radio waves, and thick, erotic feedback. His influences include bad relationships, broken kitchen appliances, the sound of empty rooms while on drugs, the blight of modern music, and James Jamerson (bassist on every great Motown record). This performance, and his upcoming EP of live recordings (culled from appearances this summer) are presented by a.i.m. The Squares are an electrified duo featuring Jonah Kraut (guitar & electronics) and Simon Goldberg (trumpet & electronics), both students at the New England Conservatory. Their sounds spans influences from jazz, American blues and folk music, electronic music, and minimalism. Loops in hand, The Squares range from ambient textures to rhythmically driven energy, all within the space of intimate chamber improvisation. a.i.m. (advanced idea mechanics) is a newly-launched freeform collective dedicated to the advancement of fringe independent music, and the deconstruction of the stagnant commercial mainstream. a.i.m. functions as a subsidiary of local independent label Telepathy Records, both overseen by Elio DeLuca. a.i.m. curates "the sketchpad" concert series, which highlights artists from a wide variety of marginalized sonic art forms, including noise, loop, ambient, IDM, free improv, and sonic dance. Having produced events at the old Zeitgeist Gallery, as well as other locations in greater Boston, a.i.m. is proud to return the sketchpad to its rightful home at the new Zeitgeist. http://aim.telepathyrecords.com The Zeitgeist Gallery has long been heralded as the last gasp of loft-type performances spaces in the Boston area, maintaining both a high profile in city culture and a noble dedication to marginalized art forms. The Gallery was awarded "Best Art Gallery" in the 2001 Reader's Poll in the Boston Phoenix. After a fire which tragically consumed the original space on Broadway and Norfolk St., the Zeitgeist has been reborn by its progenitors in a wonderful new space in Inman Square. http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org More information forthcoming for shows in August & beyond...... Peace! +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Telepathy Records (617) 504-8278 P.O. Box 230484 info@telepathyrecords.com Boston, MA 02123 www.telepathyrecords.com To subscribe to our list write to +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 09:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09474; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3FF9D0.A8BECE96@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:14:56 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gizmotron References: <20020724213522.93929.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Richards wrote: > Thusly, I can see how the > motor on the Gizmotron was a little too close to > the pickups for most practical purposes (and > let's not forget that you also had to drill holes > in your guitar to install this big thing that > kinda looks like it could get in the way of your > normal playing. I never ran into problems with the motor being too close to the pick-ups with my Bass Gizmotron. The mounting plate can be installed with double sided tape instead of drilling holes. Yes, the big thing can get in the way of normal playing, especially if you're trying to play close to the bridge. My biggest peeve is the power cord for the motor getting in the way, that and the wheels wearing down rather quickly. I was once asked to do a recording session because I was the only guy the artist knew who owned a synthesizer (a monophonic Arp Odyssey). The artist wanted an orchestral sound like at the end of "A Day In The Life". It would have taken a ton of overdubs to get the desired thickness of sound with an Odyssey. Instead I used the Gizmotron to get four note chords and ran the signal through a Mu-tron Biphase and a Memory Man. The artist was quite pleased. To my knowledge, the album never got released, so I can't let you hear it, but the effect was *thick*. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 09:34:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10198; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:33:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:33:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:24:32 -0400 From: "Michael C. Gorman" Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: "Michael C. Gorman" Message-id: <004d01c233de$a09a53a0$030aa8c0@worldhq.sufi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_j7LASmC0OcmpzFmWgrLpEg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <010c01c233c5$71464640$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_j7LASmC0OcmpzFmWgrLpEg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yes we (Second Sufis) do the live looping. We use both digital delay looping and midi looping, more for an "overdub effect" than for a standard looping sound. The equipment must be top notch to stay in synch (look out for Alesis equipment, they have the worst clocks around). We use TC Electronin equipment mostly for looking - TC D2. TC equipment has very accurate clocks. Uses to use TC 2290, but it's internal timing begings to wander when they get old (never used its fast trigger option, not appropriate for what we do). We have managed to play live material where the clocks stay aligned with the MIDI sequencer (GHZ processor) for up to an hour without any noticeable offset. Mike http://www.secondsufis.com for samples of our work. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen P. Goodman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:24 AM Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups I don't disagree, Homeboy! I've wanted for some time to be able to add guitar loopage as background to regular "pop" music. Perhaps it would at least partially legitimize it, hm? I find the most difficult bits are still with respect to timing of the loop in relation to the beat/etc.; and I think of the ideal situation for it as being with someone else controlling the length and placement, and my just working within the construct. It might make the material meld better with what it's providing background for, yes? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Yandel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 19:02 PM Subject: loops w/ live groups Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to looping, I suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with a live band--you know, not just soundscapes and drones, but also more rhythmical loops. However, getting these to sync up to a drummer (or vice versa) can be a bit of a challenge, at least to a relatively new "loopist". I just figured I'd throw this question out there and hopefully get some help: any tips on syncing loops up with a real drummer (the first track off of the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd is a great example)? Right now I'm using a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so the possibility of taking advantage of MIDI could work, if it supplied a click track for my drummer... Sorry if this distracts some of you from the loop as fx vs loop as instrument debate 8^) jonathan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --Boundary_(ID_j7LASmC0OcmpzFmWgrLpEg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Yes we (Second Sufis) do the live looping. We use both digital delay looping and midi looping, more for an "overdub effect" than for a standard looping sound. The equipment must be top notch to stay in synch (look out for Alesis equipment, they have the worst clocks around). We use TC Electronin equipment mostly for looking - TC D2. TC equipment has very accurate clocks. Uses to use TC 2290, but it's internal timing begings to wander when they get old (never used its fast trigger option, not appropriate for what we do). We have managed to play live material where the clocks stay aligned with the MIDI sequencer (GHZ processor) for up to an hour without any noticeable offset.
Mike
http://www.secondsufis.com for samples of our work.
 
 
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Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups

I don't disagree, Homeboy!  I've wanted for some time to be able to add guitar loopage as background to regular "pop" music.  Perhaps it would at least partially legitimize it, hm?
 
I find the most difficult bits are still with respect to timing of the loop in relation to the beat/etc.; and I think of the ideal situation for it as being with someone else controlling the length and placement, and my just working within the construct.  It might make the material meld better with what it's providing background for, yes?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 19:02 PM
Subject: loops w/ live groups

Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to looping, I suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with a live band--you know, not just soundscapes and drones, but also more rhythmical loops.  However, getting these to sync up to a drummer (or vice versa) can be a bit of a challenge, at least to a relatively new "loopist".  I just figured I'd throw this question out there and hopefully get some help: any tips on syncing loops up with a real drummer (the first track off of the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd is a great example)?  Right now I'm using a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so the possibility of taking advantage of MIDI could work, if it supplied a click track for my drummer...
 
Sorry if this distracts some of you from the loop as fx vs loop as instrument debate 8^)
 
jonathan
 

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--Boundary_(ID_j7LASmC0OcmpzFmWgrLpEg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 10:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13249; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:15:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.201.161.107] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:14:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 14:14:26.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[95075BD0:01C233E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, This really says it all! I am a computer programmer and if I didn't spend time learning the language I am using at the time I could not effectively do my job! I may be able to fix the current problem but I doubt I could demand a higher salary without that knowledge. Thanks, Weg From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:15:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc2-f23.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.237.30]) by mc2-s3.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:21:53 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc2-f23.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:21:25 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08397;Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D3F2708.80CB610A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en References: <3D3DA74E.EBB24581@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c23337$ad353b40$3c2b93d4@black> <3D3F1458.79591767@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 22:21:26.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[73493610:01C23360] Yo Mark, (Glad you like the new stuff, by the way - thanks for that!) Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Unlike the Repeater, the EDP does not have an intuitive interface. > Plain and simple. I was able to start using the Repeater's basic functions without > looking at it's manual. Here's a different way of looking at it: When you buy a new instrument, you need to spend time to learn how to play it. A lot of aspects of an instrument's design that might seem "unintuitive" at first glance are actually very intricately interwoven and laid out, and make a lot of sense - once you've developed a certain level of understanding with it. This is one reason why people like Kim tend to drae a distinction between "effects" and "instruments." It's not just a question of how they can be used, but how the user/player learns to think about them and their interface, and how that interface can (or should) be implemented in the first place. For my part, I would say the EDP's interface is INCREDIBLY intuitive - but it's not the sort of thing I would expect anyone to master in half a week's time, any more so than I'd expect anyone to be up and running at full speed on a new instrument in that time. To fully take advantage of the (extremely deep) architecture of the unit, you need to learn to think about it from its own point of view. That might not happen overnight. Any good and deep instrument takes time to learn, and if you want to use the EDP on a deep level, you need to set aside your instant gratification impulse and begin at the beginning. Everybody knows what Pitch Shifting and Timestretching and Track Panning do, so it makes sense that the Repeater would be easy to use out of the box. But you need to understand the EDP to a certain extent to start figuring out exactly what Unrounded Multiply, SUS-insert, Substitute, or Cycle+Confirm SwitchQuantization can do for you. My suggestion is to sit down and say, "OK, today I'm going to learn all about Multiply," and read through the Multiply section in the manual. You'll find that the section makes many references to other sections in the manual, which will lead you into looking up other functions and parameters. It's kind of like the EDP itself: the more time you spend learning about any one feature, the more you'll understand the unit as a whole - and the more you'll grow to appreciate the true depth of the instrument's design. Welcome to the club. ;) --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com Weg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 10:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13423; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 25 Jul 2002 06:12:32 -0400 Message-Id: <1027591955.2362.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably a primitive suggestion; but I would recommend using a metronome. Regards, Jeff On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 14:02, Jonathan Yandel wrote: > Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to looping, I suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with a live band--you know, not just soundscapes and drones, but also more rhythmical loops. However, getting these to sync up to a drummer (or vice versa) can be a bit of a challenge, at least to a relatively new "loopist". I just figured I'd throw this question out there and hopefully get some help: any tips on syncing loops up with a real drummer (the first track off of the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd is a great example)? Right now I'm using a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so the possibility of taking advantage of MIDI could work, if it supplied a click track for my drummer... > > Sorry if this distracts some of you from the loop as fx vs loop as instrument debate 8^) > > jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 10:28:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14048; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:28:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:28:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D400AC3.E4FAD103@bagend.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:27:15 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Surface One... References: <200207241755.AA28573824@mail.unitcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was in Nashville at the NAMM show last weekend and they were using one to demo the Reason software. Yes , I saw it working. They weren't trying to sell them , tho. Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 5:55 PM -0400 7/24/02, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: > >the Surface One page is gone from the new M-Audio site, but there is > >still a picture of it on their page headers... Wonder if it got > >dropped... > > Last I head the Surface One had just gone into beta test. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 10:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14701; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:38:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:38:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:38:07 EDT Subject: re: legitimising gtr-loops in popmusic: was loopsinlivegroups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA14676 Resent-Message-ID: <_pzk4D.A.jlD.q1AQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stephen goodman said, >I've wanted for some time to be able to add guitar loopage as background >to regular "pop" music. Perhaps it would at least partially legitimize >it, hm? well..... a guitar-loop (as any loop w/any 'originating soundsource'), per sé, does not embody any particular sound/style/idiom other than that of the loopist, i think. and: while not exactly popularised as a *regular* musical element (maybe owing to its lack of inherent stylistic nature), such a pathway may already have been 'legitimised' thusly ---(strange word, that)--- for some time, even, i think..... that would be especially true in the world of studio-recordings; there are at least a coupla gtr-based loopists that have been (and currently remain) there. for a few examples, see: fripp: peter gabriel, crimson, tool, etc etc myself: david bowie, tori amos, meshell ndegeocello, jeremy toback, chocolate genius, madonna, tanita tikaram, manhattan transfer, jim carroll, patti scialfa, etc etc robby aceto: tom tom club, code, noella hutton, etc trey anastasio: phish, etc reeves gabrels: bowie, etc adrian belew: etc marc ribot peter maunu ..... and too many more to list, herein..... no offense is meant by me for unwitting acts of omission. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 10:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14817; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:39:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:39:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:38:46 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Surface One... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <05a201c233e8$fb7a22f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200207241755.AA28573824@mail.unitcircle.com> <3D400AC3.E4FAD103@bagend.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does this thing have visual feedback? > I was in Nashville at the NAMM show last weekend and they were using one to demo the Reason software. Yes , I saw it working. They weren't trying to sell them , tho. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 10:40:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14507; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.17.212] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drummers playing to metronomes and loops live Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:34:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 14:34:38.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[67D5CF90:01C233E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow...what a great post! I have on numerous accounts been complimented for my ability to, as a bassist, to navigate to the "right" side of the beat, and have been asked how do I find the top or back of the beat in my playing. The answer is, much as Rick pointed out, by putting myself in an emotional state of laziness or edginess, and allowing my playing to gravitate towards that. But, I really like the conept of "aural hallucination". Which brings up another topic: As musicians we tend to focus on technical matters be it from a standpoint of playing technique or gear issues. Yet, there is a whole emotional pallette from which we must also draw to enrich our music. The state of mind, or chemical imbalance thereof, from which we play is a very imporatnt launching pad for our sonic flights....and I think this might be very important to the making of "loop-based" music. Just as Rick spoke of the "aural hallucinations", are there any other, perhaps off-the-wall, concepts and techniques folks are using to mentally and emotionally, place themselves, and/or their perception of playing/rhythm/harmony/melody, in the music? Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 11:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17454; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:03:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:03:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D401308.E7E56C54@bagend.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:02:32 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Surface One... References: <200207241755.AA28573824@mail.unitcircle.com> <3D400AC3.E4FAD103@bagend.com> <05a201c233e8$fb7a22f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope. That would be cool. Just the pads and sliders. I had to look at a computer monitor to see what parameter the guy was changing. jim palmer wrote: > > does this thing have visual feedback? > > > I was in Nashville at the NAMM show last weekend and they were using one to demo the Reason software. Yes , I saw it working. They > weren't trying to sell them , tho. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 11:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17809; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:08:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:08:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gizmotron Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:06:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 15:06:30.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB1A0850:01C233EC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI...If memory serves, The Gizmotron was developed by Lol Creme or at least it was his idea and he had someone make it. The original was for guitar. Only the bass version made it to the marketplace. Godley and Creme recorded a three LP set called 'Consequences' as a showcase for the Gizmotron. Polygram also released a single LP featuring some of the songs sans dialog. If you ever see a copy of the full LP (very rare!), pick it up. It's a gem! The album is a concept album with a cast of characters - dialog provided by the late Peter Cook. Quite hilarious IMHO. 'I'll be in the bath if you need me, ....I'll be in the bath if you don't need me' Peter Cook/Consequences Terry www.anomalousdisturbances.com >From: Chris Richards >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Gizmotron >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:35:22 -0700 (PDT) > ><Gizmotrons in the 70s, and that having a motor >that close to your pickups isn't really ideal.>> > >That's actually an interesting point that I had >never thought of. I first heard of the Gizmotron >back when I was a teenager, and I know I've read >that Godley And Creme used it on some of their >late 70's albums, and I believe Jimmy Page said >he used one on Zep's In Through The Out Door >album (on the intro to In The Evening, I >believe). > >Anyway, I wouldn't have thought about it, but it >does make sense that the motor might be a little >too close to the pickups. Pretty much anything >that makes mechanical noise, things like wind up >toys or an electric tooth brush or a vibrator, >even, will be amplified by the pickups if you get >them close enough. Thusly, I can see how the >motor on the Gizmotron was a little too close to >the pickups for most practical purposes (and >let's not forget that you also had to drill holes >in your guitar to install this big thing that >kinda looks like it could get in the way of your >normal playing. > >Mind you, I've never actually had the opportunity >to play a Gizmotron equipped guitar, so I really >don't know about any of this. > >NP Grateful Dead "Jam" (Dick's Picks Vol. XIV) > >===== >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > >"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl >Jones > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 11:21:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18504; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:20:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:20:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020725152319.13365@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: ysh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:23:19 +0900 Subject: Re: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") In-Reply-To: <3D3EE5C5.32B65129@zerocrossing.net> References: <3D3EE5C5.32B65129@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ARENA Internet Mailer 2.1.1 PPC X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Speaking of engrish.com, I've always wondered how they could miss the Erectrix Repeater. >OK, since we've gotten here, I can't resist. If you're looking for interesting >and creative use of English, you'll have to look no further than >http://www.engrish.com/recentdiscoveries.html > >The posts range from hilarious, to beautiful, but for sure there is a 3rd thing >that's created when two cultures collide... > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 11:27:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18829; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:27:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:26:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200207251526.g6PFQbw1016740@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gizmotron Resent-Message-ID: <33ZDSC.A.5lE.wiBQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got mine as a gift from one of Godley and Creme's management team, but never got around to mounting and using it. When pulling it out of my gear graveyard (the hall closet), one of the rubber flaps that holds the wheels on had broken rendering that element useles. When I wiggled another, it just snapped off. All the silicone rubber pieces had degraded to uselessn ess. RIP. I heard some tapes of Godley and Creme during that visit and was amazed at the guitar sounds that they wer getting. This was before guitar synths that actually worked, and they we're getting absolutely symphonic sounds sans keyboards. But I think that this gadget is something like the resonator guitar in that it's time window was too short. At the same time I got it I was experimenting with one of Tom Easton's 360 Systems Slavedrivers and an Oberheim expander module. Got some neat horn sounds out of it, but the latency was terrible. Guitar synths of that era all still ran on steam. I still tease the owner of Bananas about it. I regualrly come and tell him that I almost got it to work last night. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 11:51:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20247; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:49:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:49:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:49:21 -0700 Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1027591955.2362.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-Id: <15D3F3A8-9FE6-11D6-B80D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Korg makes a really small earbud model that looks sweet. http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.KORMM1&z=1439812185371 Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 03:12 AM, Jeffrey Lomas wrote: > Probably a primitive suggestion; but I would recommend using a > metronome. > > Regards, > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 11:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20988; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:58:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:58:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:58:16 -0700 Subject: Re: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020725152319.13365@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Message-Id: <55046758-9FE7-11D6-B80D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I worked at a music store and we had toys to sell around Christmas. One was a Chinese made xylophone that had an amazing warning on it: "WARNING: Avoid heavy beat. Serious noise my result." I wish I would have scanned the box. There's a dance music cover if I ever saw one. Another goodie is in my Roland MC-307 manual. I'm paraphrasing, but it basically says, "Turn knob to achieve maximum grooviness" Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 08:23 AM, ysh wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Speaking of engrish.com, I've always wondered how they could miss the > Erectrix Repeater. > >> OK, since we've gotten here, I can't resist. If you're looking for >> interesting >> and creative use of English, you'll have to look no further than >> http://www.engrish.com/recentdiscoveries.html >> >> The posts range from hilarious, to beautiful, but for sure there is a >> 3rd thing >> that's created when two cultures collide... >> >> Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 12:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22619; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:04:41 -0700 Subject: Re: legitimising gtr-loops in popmusic: was loopsinlivegroups From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/25/02 7:38 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > myself: david bowie, tori amos, meshell ndegeocello, jeremy toback, chocolate > genius, madonna, tanita tikaram, manhattan transfer, jim carroll, patti > scialfa, etc etc Including some very nice work on k. d. Lang's _Drag_. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 12:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22812; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:06:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CA86@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: David Torn EDP manual Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:05:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 115EFE611257039-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA22756 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If using looping tools was so 'intuitive' and straightforward, there would be no "Loopers Delight" or at least, there'd be alot less interesting discussion and participation, imo. So, count your blessings and enjoy the interaction and sharing of information! ; ) cheers, jim. p.s. Andre's suggestions for improving EDP knowledge and use are what i've been doing and its really helped me. I spend an evening focusing on making loopage that emphasizes the use of a particular subset of the EDP. And then, i determine if its helpful to what i want to do or not. Actually, simply going thru the steps of programming my MFC10 to control the EDP has increased my knowledge of and ability to use of the EDP significantly. Its a discipline like any other. Unfortunately, i have a job, so there's the discipline of learning the EDP (on top of the discipline of tabla studies).... (on top of the discipline of general rhythm studies).... (on top of the discipline of pulling out the sax occasionally).... on top of...well, you get the idea, not enough time... ;) -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual among other things, ms said: >> Also, I think it's unfair to compare the EDP, or any piece of gear, to >an instrument, >> unless you're talking about bagpipes! My guitar has an incredibly simple >interface! >> Put your finger in a position on the neck and a particular note will >play. The end. well, uhhh..... not intending to be difficult, here, but: that certainly does not cover the way i approach the guitar..... or any of the other instruments i play, for that matter..... then, among other things, andré said: >If you want to engage any particular function on the EDP, it's a >question of hitting a button or two. Multiply? Hit the "multiply" >button. Unrounded Multiply? Hit Multiply and end with Record. That's >no more complex than putting the finger on the fret and striking the >note, to me. >The physical interface is very straightforward, I think. while handily done for what the edp actually offers (and at a price-point), it is not nearly physically reflective of what's technically available, esp. as the software has developed. straightforward? yup: it's a buncha buttons (and a pedal and a knob) accessing multi-layered menus. physical interface? still a long way to go..... but the best available. anyway, pls don't misunderstand me, here: i loves my edp: for me, looping without it would be, well, like living in the past..... >And again, >just about all of the functions in the EDP - including the vast >DirectMIDI implementation in LoopIV - jahwohl: good, that..... >essentially originate from >something which can be executed using one or two front-panel button presses. sort of..... if you don't include 'paging' to the menu-function, right? >But as you say, the theory behind the interface is another story >altogether, and the "theoretical" angle of the EDP is a big part of what >makes it so powerful. yes, but these are different arenas: the theoretical angle/approach of the edp (ie, the edp's capabilities), and the human interface with same. the edp's angle & approach sure suits me fine; the interface improved vastly w/loopIV's midi-imp, but still leaves some folk flustrated: the legacy of the multi-tiered menu-approach conveys a certain opacity to many musicians from what is ---in effect--- really an extremely visceral instrument. >Just like you need to learn what sorts of notes >work against what sorts of chords, so too does trying different >combinations of functions and parameters produce different sorts of results. truth. nothing wrong w/seeking a little guidance, though, especially if one is confounded by the UI. >But finding out how to communicate all of this stuff is not easy - the >sort of examples and features that would be used for learning Matthias' >incredibly smooth, fluid, graceful "ambient folk" style would be totally >different from how I would teach the glitch technique, the turntablist >technique, etc. true, but: a well-produced video manual/tutorial might exhibit *indicators* into what a hardcore-user may consider to be all the primary 'pathways'; every last little thing needn't be exemplified in such a work, just clear pointers to the main routes..... dontcha think? or..... >So writing a tutorial begs the question: what style of playing are you >trying to tutor a person in, anyway? if it is a tutorial that accompanies the unit, one may not wanna evangelise one style as opposed to any other..... where different types of technique are available, one will need to make 'stylistic' choices in individual regions of the tutorial. that being said: if it is a self-produced tutorial, or the manufacturer has a particular musical/stylistic bent, then one can promote whatever agenda is currently being entertained..... >If someone wants to play ambient >soundscapes, should they have to sit through a lesson in my skipping CD >player routine? ..... so long as they get something they need at some point, well..... why not? >If somebody wants to lay down chords and then solo over >them for five days with different NextLoop and AutoRecord strategies, >will a lesson in Matthias' style go over their heads? maybe, but: see above. and: maybe not, depending on the communication skills of the presenter(s) and the edit-flow. >This is stuff I've been wrestling with (and continue to wrestle with) as >I've thought about the Santa Cruz clinic, and now as I gear up for some >"serious" videos. I could easily imagine spending several hours talking >about different things I do with the EDP, and that would only cover the >areas of the unit I use myself - which is by no means the full depth and >breadth of the unit. >Oh well... sounds like: ya gotta decide what the goal of this project is to be..... in-depth presentation of everything? help for novices? touching all bases? promote IMI-IBI, ambient, glitch, FSU, quasi-turntablism, or continue the legacy of frippertronics? choices, choices..... i know where i'd go with it, dude! call me if you want any lousy advice..... *-)) the r*d to h*ll is paved w/f*c**d-u* int*nti*ns, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 12:36:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25630; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:42:34 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: the latest microtonal guitar mp3.com file To: David Beardsley Cc: the_UncommonChord@yahoogroups.com, the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, powerspot@yahoogroups.com, philly_ambient-request@phobos.serve.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , davidtorn@yahoogroups.com, Avant-Garde@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001a01c233fa$47bffc00$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Otim+60YluzZ7b53x5MlNA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Otim+60YluzZ7b53x5MlNA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley Land of Vibration II 63-tone microtonal/Just Intonation guitar loops. 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63-tone microtonal/Just Intonation guitar loops.
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--Boundary_(ID_Otim+60YluzZ7b53x5MlNA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 14:15:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00627; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:13:54 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "ernesto schnack" X-Epoch: 1027620834 X-Sasl-enc: VYasVLg3JOsGbIe8PdLsWg Subject: re: legitimising gtr-loops in popmusic: was loopsinlivegroups Message-Id: <20020725181354.ACCD26DA1C@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:38:07 EDT, Hedewa7@aol.com said: > marc ribot > Ribot loops? I've never heard him loop, any recorded examples? I'd be very interested to hear it. Ernesto -- The fastest email on the Internet! http://fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 14:22:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00987; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:21:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:21:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c233d5$697919f0$09f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <15D3F3A8-9FE6-11D6-B80D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: loops w/ live groups Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:18:35 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com another group to use live looping: don caballero but their last album, american don, relied too heavily on looping and every song became a predictable overdub haven...like "ok, here's the basis...and here comes the harmony...and now the counter-rhythm..." and some VERY unnatural changes from one part to another. fades into parts that had little to do, harmonically with the previous parts. this is one thing they were very good at before they started looping. they could put together these crazy parts and they made perfect sense, but with the introduction of guitar loops it just became repetative and predictable. on the other hand, i think it's very easy to make the loop sound natural but you have to build it so that getting out doesn't sound abrupt or unnatural. otherwise it starts to sound like 5 seperate tracks mushed into one. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 14:26:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01412; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:25:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:25:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D40425C.2060905@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:24:28 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ernesto schnack , Loopers Subject: Re: legitimising gtr-loops in popmusic: was loopsinlivegroups References: <20020725181354.ACCD26DA1C@www.fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4DXunD.A.vV.PKEQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I am not certain, the great album he made with Robert Quine and Ikue Mori called "The Painted Desert" has some loopy sounding stuff on it. -jas Albuquerque ernesto schnack wrote: >On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:38:07 EDT, Hedewa7@aol.com said: > >>marc ribot >> > >Ribot loops? I've never heard him loop, any recorded examples? I'd be >very interested to hear it. > >Ernesto > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 14:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02219; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:38:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:38:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: loops w/ live groups Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:23:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004001c233d5$697919f0$09f8c440@g0wn7> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > on the other hand, i think it's very easy to make the loop sound > natural but > you have to build it so that getting out doesn't sound abrupt or > unnatural. > otherwise it starts to sound like 5 seperate tracks mushed into one. > Yes. the biggest challenge is from the zero point till it 'locks'. Like taking off on a wave surfing, each one is different, and the chance of wiping out is there the steeper the takeoff... NG, ex-surfer stuck inland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 14:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03037; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:57:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020725185649.19890.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: Re: Playing behind the beat? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wait a minute, I saw Tambourine Guy at a Rick performance- they were perfectly in sync. What does that suggest? (I'll pay for that won't I Rick?) Yours in rhythm(I hope), Steve ------------------------------------------------------------ Oh yeah, and that crazy guy on the Santa Cruz Mall who plays tambourine that has NOTHING TO DO WITH any kind of repetitive rhythm or syncopative resolution.............He is so out, that trying to reproduce what he does has me absolutely fascinated. If I can cop his shit, I will put myself up for Rhythmic Guru status............LMAO!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 15:01:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04448; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:01:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Gibson EDP service? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:01:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01fd01c2340d$ac33a480$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know how long it takes to get an EDP serviced at Gibson? I bought this EDP brand new in May. Within a week it experienced the "ERR" problem that posted about in June. I sent the unit to Gibson in June and now July is almost over. The only time I have been provided with an update as to the status was last week (after I had left numerous messages for Shane Radtke to return my calls), from Shane, telling me that he just put the unit on his bench to begin trouble shooting. From my experience working with a few other items over the years that have had problems, if the item I got was fairly new and still under warranty, it was usually trouble shooted fairly quickly and if it appeared that the repair would be extensive or drawn out, the manufacturer would often just ship out a brand new unit. I have owned this for over 2 months now and have only been able to play it a few times. I have no idea when the unit will be returned to me or how much warranty time will be remaining in case something really goes wrong. I appologize for ranting here, but I am finding this extremely frustrating. Can anyone offer advice, experience, suggestions, etc.? M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 15:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05755; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:24:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:24:12 -0400 Subject: gizmotron From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207251822.OAA01065@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA05669 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com close. Lol Crème did develop it. There were production models for both guitar and bass. The version Lol used was different from the production model. The gizmo was used on most of 10cc's material. Songs like "old wild men" show it off quite well. He used it live as well, but from what I was told it was hard to tame. the production model, especially for guitar, wasn't great, or so I've heard. I still want one, but could never find one, and I'm left handed as well. and yes, consequences is fantastic and very funny. kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik) > FYI...If memory serves, The Gizmotron was developed by Lol Creme or at least > it was his idea and he had someone make it. The original was for guitar. > Only the bass version made it to the marketplace. > > Godley and Creme recorded a three LP set called 'Consequences' as a showcase > for the Gizmotron. Polygram also released a single LP featuring some of the > songs sans dialog. > > If you ever see a copy of the full LP (very rare!), pick it up. It's a gem! > The album is a concept album with a cast of characters - dialog provided by > the late Peter Cook. Quite hilarious IMHO. > > 'I'll be in the bath if you need me, ....I'll be in the bath if you don't > need me' Peter Cook/Consequences > > Terry > www.anomalousdisturbances.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 15:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06153; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:33:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:33:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Playing behind the beat? From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list In-Reply-To: <20020725185649.19890.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020725185649.19890.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 25 Jul 2002 11:29:08 -0400 Message-Id: <1027610977.2250.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to add my white guy comments to this thread. I often have the pleasure of playing with some very competent rhythm players. In observing all of them I have concluded that thinking about rhythm as a series of beats evenly placed from one another is an entirely too narrow view. I believe the illustration that has proved most useful to me is that rhythm is a circle. The beat is where the circle meets itself again in the passage of time. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 17:08:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13579; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:06:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:06:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c2341e$ffee5d70$11acbdcf@MARCSDESKTOP> From: "Marc Roche" To: References: <001a01c233fa$47bffc00$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: the latest microtonal guitar mp3.com file Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:04:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C233E4.3A469720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9ere0.A.kTD.dgGQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C233E4.3A469720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Beardsley=20 To: David Beardsley=20 Cc: the_UncommonChord@yahoogroups.com ; = the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com ; powerspot@yahoogroups.com ; = philly_ambient-request@phobos.serve.com ; Looper's Delight Mailing List = ; davidtorn@yahoogroups.com ; Avant-Garde@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: the latest microtonal guitar mp3.com file http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley Land of Vibration II 63-tone microtonal/Just Intonation guitar loops.=20 Live improv recorded June 12,2002 in NYC.=20 * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C233E4.3A469720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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63-tone = microtonal/Just=20 Intonation guitar loops.
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C233E4.3A469720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 17:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14610; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:20:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:20:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gizmotron Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:13:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 21:13:45.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[292873F0:01C23420] Resent-Message-ID: <2SixTC.A.naD.ooGQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Thanks for the clarification Kenn.  I was told only the bass version was released. I have a friend who has one on a Danelctro fretless longhorn bass. I gotta give him a call about it sometime.  Maybe dig out a few old 10cc records too. cheers, T

>From: kenn lowy
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>Subject: gizmotron
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:24:12 -0400
>
>close.
>
>Lol Crème did develop it. There were production models for both guitar and
>bass. The version Lol used was different from the production model. The
>gizmo was used on most of 10cc's material. Songs like "old wild men" show it
>off quite well. He used it live as well, but from what I was told it was
>hard to tame. the production model, especially for guitar, wasn't great, or
>so I've heard. I still want one, but could never find one, and I'm left
>handed as well.
>
>and yes, consequences is fantastic and very funny.
>
>kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik)
>
>
> > FYI...If memory serves, The Gizmotron was developed by Lol Creme or at least
> > it was his idea and he had someone make it. The original was for guitar.
> > Only the bass version made it to the marketplace.
> >
> > Godley and Creme recorded a three LP set called 'Consequences' as a showcase
> > for the Gizmotron. Polygram also released a single LP featuring some of the
> > songs sans dialog.
> >
> > If you ever see a copy of the full LP (very rare!), pick it up. It's a gem!
> > The album is a concept album with a cast of characters - dialog provided by
> > the late Peter Cook. Quite hilarious IMHO.
> >
> > 'I'll be in the bath if you need me, ....I'll be in the bath if you don't
> > need me' Peter Cook/Consequences
> >
> > Terry
> > www.anomalousdisturbances.com

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 17:44:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16055; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:43:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:43:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:41:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: back on looper's delight! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_j6kqB.A.X6D.IDHQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a DNS configuration problem with my server, now fixed, so I can now get email from loopers-delight.com -- so, back on the list! open loop is still a going concern on Saturday afternoons if you are in New York City. I have "most of it" on DAT and will fairly soon be making some CDs... back to looping! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 17:47:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16235; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:46:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:46:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:45:26 -0700 Message-Id: <200207252045.g6PKjQp08730@mail22.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [140.233.70.138] From: "murkie !" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping with a drummah Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was gonna take this page down, but if anyone is interested, check out http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/11-3.htm my drummer gets a dry headphone feed from my jamman (pre- filter factory and vortex). #4 is a good example of him working with a loop. and this piece was the birth of the framework of a ditty called "Lapsed Crafty" from my forthcoming disc. shameless plug, that, eh? m Mark Christensen http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Big Heavy World at http://www.bigheavyworld.com, Vermont's music 24/7. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 18:12:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18970; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:09:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:09:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:15:27 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: the latest microtonal guitar mp3.com file To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01fc01c23428$c849a140$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001a01c233fa$47bffc00$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <003201c2341e$ffee5d70$11acbdcf@MARCSDESKTOP> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Roche You don't say! I didn't see any reply.... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 18:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18253; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Loops w/live drummer Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:58:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 21:58:32.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[6ADC9DC0:01C23426] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another idea might be to take the loop and turn it into something you have to trigger by hand. Then you could start the "loop" each time the drummer hits the downbeat, keeping it from going out of sync. This would require: -creating a loop with events that coincide with your drummer's speed -making sure your drummer is going to play at the same speed (bpm) next time he plays the song. -having somebody have a free hand to trigger the sample each time. You might even see about putting the trigger device in the drummer's rig. I don't know what brand/model of equipment can be used for external trigger these days. I'm still using my DOD DFX 94's and swatting them with my hand. Matt On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 14:02, Jonathan Yandel wrote: >Although I have the deepest respect for Fripp and his approach to looping, >I suppose what really interests me is the use of loops with a live band--you know, not just soundscapes and drones, but also more rhythmical loops. However, getting these to sync up to a drummer (or vice versa) can be a bit of a challenge, at least to a relatively new "loopist". I just figured I'd throw this question out there and hopefully get some help: any tips on syncing loops up with a real drummer (the first track off of the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities cd is a great example)? Right now I'm using a Jamman (thanks Mark!), so the possibility of taking advantage of MIDI could work, if it supplied a click track for my drummer... > >Sorry if this distracts some of you from the loop as fx vs loop as >instrument debate 8^) > >jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 18:35:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20349; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:29:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200207252045.g6PKjQp08730@mail22.bigmailbox.com> References: <200207252045.g6PKjQp08730@mail22.bigmailbox.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:32:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Looping with a drummah Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I was gonna take this page down, but if anyone is interested, check out >http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/11-3.htm > >my drummer gets a dry headphone feed from my jamman (pre- filter >factory and vortex). The Seattle band Living Daylights does something like this. They're a trio, their bass player (a total f*cking monster) loops with a JamMan, and the drummer has a set of 1-eared headphones that gets just the JamMan. The bass player often sets up these monster grooves, loops them, and then he and the alto sax player solo over the loop. What's so impressive about this is how fluid and comfortable they are with the looping, it becomes almost completely transparent. They've played a few million gigs in the past few years, which probably helps quite a lot. Amazing band, you should all catch them live if you get the chance, and not just for the looping content, they're wonderful players. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 25 19:58:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26063; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:56:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:56:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c23404$291d6120$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <01fd01c2340d$ac33a480$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: Gibson EDP service? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:53:17 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i sent mine in for what i thought was an input headroom problem...turns out, that's the norm. 1 week to ship, 2 weeks sitting in the shop/getting looked at, 1 more week to ship. could be faster, could be slower, but this is how long i waited. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 00:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10150; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:03:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:03:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:02:30 -0700 Subject: EDP melt down. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8166CEB4-A04C-11D6-8ABF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI! Well, I sat down to actually PLAY tonight, instead of just figuring out the ins and outs of the EDP, and mid loop, the EDP CRASHED! Hard. ST ST ST ST ST ST ST ST ST ST STUTTER silence...... ||: LOOP4 :|| for ever. Restarting it twice got it to boot again. What what what? Should I be reseating my ROM? Memory? Taking it back to the store? This is actually the second time (the first was the first time I ever started it) it's been weird, but I haven't had a lot of time to play in the last week. Any words of wisdom? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 00:12:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10650; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:12:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:12:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725211108.00b297d0@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:13:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: EDP melt down. In-Reply-To: <8166CEB4-A04C-11D6-8ABF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3UbH_D.A.CmC.HwMQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How's that upgrade? Just kidding. Re-seat the ROM. Re-seat the RAM. Cross your fingers.. -Hans At 21:02 25/07/2002, you wrote: >HI! > >Well, I sat down to actually PLAY tonight, instead of just figuring out >the ins and outs of the EDP, and mid loop, the EDP CRASHED! Hard. ST ST >ST ST ST ST ST ST ST ST STUTTER silence...... ||: LOOP4 :|| for >ever. Restarting it twice got it to boot again. > >What what what? Should I be reseating my ROM? Memory? Taking it back to >the store? This is actually the second time (the first was the first time >I ever started it) it's been weird, but I haven't had a lot of time to >play in the last week. > >Any words of wisdom? > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 00:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11083; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725211315.00b2fb98@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: hlindauer@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:21:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: PMC_10 double-triggering Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Record button on my PMC-10 has been acting funny lately. It seems to double-trigger when I step on it and when I release it. I'm going to move Record to a new button for now, but I reckon that there are enough PMC-10 users on-list that I'm not the first who's had this problem. Has anybody been through this before and come up with a fix? Thanks, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 00:33:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11747; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:33:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:33:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:25:25 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Presentation Lowell, MA 07.27.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be presenting some of my video pieces this Saturday night as part of the Lowell Folk Festival. This will be a presentation of finished work, and an installation of in-progress work, not the usual improvised performances. I'll be showing 4 recent videos (with sound, 2 original sound tracks, two by others), in the 4th floor theatre space of the EVOS arts center from around 7PM to 11PM. I'll also have a couple of small monitors set up as an installation, one showing material from "Before The Fall, Images of the World Trade Center", and the other showing material to be determined, There will be lots of other things happening at Evos (and throughout downtown Lowell) that night. Hope to see yoy. Directions to EVOS are as follows: 495 N to the Lowell Connector LEFT at end of the Connector. follow through several lights. At intersection it becomes CENTER ST. Follow Center st through the light and then left on MIDDLE St. 98 Middle, on the left EVOS ARTS 978.441.9906 -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 01:29:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15069; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:27:38 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP melt down. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725211108.00b297d0@pop.charter.net> Message-Id: <65DC4935-A058-11D6-8ABF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woops, no upgrade. It actually is Loop3. All this Loop4 stuff tripped me up. On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 09:13 PM, armatronix wrote: > How's that upgrade? Just kidding. > > Re-seat the ROM. Re-seat the RAM. Cross your fingers.. > > -Hans > > > At 21:02 25/07/2002, you wrote: >> HI! >> >> Well, I sat down to actually PLAY tonight, instead of just figuring >> out the ins and outs of the EDP, and mid loop, the EDP CRASHED! >> Hard. ST ST ST ST ST ST ST ST ST ST STUTTER silence...... ||: >> LOOP4 :|| for ever. Restarting it twice got it to boot again. >> >> What what what? Should I be reseating my ROM? Memory? Taking it >> back to the store? This is actually the second time (the first was >> the first time I ever started it) it's been weird, but I haven't had a >> lot of time to play in the last week. >> >> Any words of wisdom? >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 01:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16058; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:55:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Kim, my feedback isn't working Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:54:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c23469$03cef360$ea07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725211315.00b2fb98@pop.charter.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loop pioneers-- The EDP fix Hans gives is the best one--finger crossing I mean-- And Hans--the pedals on the PMC are fon-key. That's why I have spent so much money with Harmon--it's worth $65 to have them refurbish 'em. Don't forget to include the hand held programmer . . . (801) 566-8919 is the number in Utah Still no word on Loop IV not being able to put a multiply cycle after insert--it just goes back to the first cycle--not like Loop III. Am I right or what? Your comments are welcome here. Still grateful for these great tools (when they do what I mean to) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 04:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25882; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:42:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020726012113.03258e70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:43:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kim, my feedback isn't working In-Reply-To: <000001c23469$03cef360$ea07f843@gary> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725211315.00b2fb98@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:54 PM 7/25/2002, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Still no word on Loop IV not being able to put a multiply cycle after >insert--it just goes back to the first cycle--not like Loop III. sorry, we're sort of busy sometimes and can't manage to reply instantly to everything. >Am I right >or what? yes you are. >Your comments are welcome here. in LoopIII, if you started multiply and then alternated back and forth between inserting and multiplying, it did a neat thing where it continued to add cycles but just changed character between multiplying and inserting. In other words, while in the inserting phase it would drop the loop sound out and let you add stuff in a new cycle, while in the multiplying phase it would multiply the old stuff into the new cycles while you overdubbed on top. You could quickly build an interesting musical structure this way. (probably makes more sense in use than in words, for those confused.) Anyway, that is something we had spent some time to sort out years ago for LoopIIIv5.0, and that is what you were using for the song structure thing you were doing. In LoopIV, when you are in Multiply and press Insert, it does as before in LoopIII. the sound drops out but you keep adding cycles, while you add new stuff into them. But when you are in Insert and press Multiply (the opposite), it doesn't keep adding cycles as before. Instead it ends the insert and then starts Multiply as if you had really ended Insert and then start Multiply as two separate things. So that special Insert-to-Multiply cross function from LoopIII disappeared. Why did it disappear? Well, I confess that we have no idea. It just did. Somewhere in the past five years of developing it fell out the back of the truck and we never noticed. I didn't notice, Matthias didn't notice, Claude didn't notice, Andy didn't notice, the beta testers didn't notice. We didn't realize it until you pointed it out. We're really sorry about that. I dunno what else to say. LoopIV was really really really complicated to develop, we did our best not to make a mistake like this, but we missed this one. sorry again. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 05:46:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30377; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:45:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:45:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:16:30 +0200 Subject: Re: Gibson EDP service? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01fd01c2340d$ac33a480$420e88cf@stevespc> Message-Id: <5F159438-A078-11D6-8142-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <90-bnB.A.JaH.0nRQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 09:01 PM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > Does anyone know how long it takes to get an EDP serviced at Gibson? On a related note, anyone know how long it should take to change a bloody single microswitch on a DL4? My pedal has been with Line6 for exactly two months now!.... Service is not what it used to be... -- Stuart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 06:25:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01093; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c2351d$b0216ee0$9e8631d2@oemcomputer> From: "street" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:28:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C234E3.02E0C260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C234E3.02E0C260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C234E3.02E0C260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C234E3.02E0C260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 06:59:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02841; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:58:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:58:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: gator cases - anyone used them ? Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:55:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2349B.60C51860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 10:57:22.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[383E0260:01C23493] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2349B.60C51860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.gatorcases.com/ prices look good I was particularly interested in the shock racks as I find the extra space handy for air circulation and running the odd = cable anyone got any experience with them??? thanks David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2349B.60C51860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2349B.60C51860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 09:08:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12327; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:07:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:07:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:11:46 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Live in Brooklyn, 7.28.2002 - microtonal guitar To: the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, powerspot@yahoogroups.com, Ohmbient list , MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com, davidtorn@yahoogroups.com, "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." Message-id: <007501c234a5$ff305140$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Bl3AeWLsqky59Ul93wgYGw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Bl3AeWLsqky59Ul93wgYGw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DAVID BEARDSLEY Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, fretless guitar, echoes, loops, drones and minimalism. July 28, 2002, 9-10pm Undercity @ halcyon 227 Smith Street (between Butler and Douglass) Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn 11231 718-260-WAXY (718-260-9299) no cover! "Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another." - Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl. http://biink.com There are some new pieces uploaded @ http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_Bl3AeWLsqky59Ul93wgYGw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
DAVID BEARDSLEY
Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, fretless guitar,
echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.

July 28, 2002, 9-10pm

Undercity @ halcyon
227 Smith Street (between Butler and Douglass)
Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn 11231
718-260-WAXY (718-260-9299)
no cover!

"Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another."

          - Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl.
 
 
There are some new pieces uploaded @ http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_Bl3AeWLsqky59Ul93wgYGw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 09:49:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13814; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:38:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:38:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c234a8$2b8b6160$a53d5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #279 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:26:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #279 July 25, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at midnight was "Source" on the Deep Sky label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Heaven and Hell" by Vangelis on the RCA label. Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Vangelis Part 2 * Heaven and Hell (RCA) T-Bass UK The Fabulous Neutrinos The Fabulous Neutrinos (Infection Music) Wave World The Plains of Narrdal Another Strange Day on Gonxa (VFR Records) Jonn Serrie Dawn Trader Planetary Chronicles Vol. 1 (Miramar) Wave World Trasyyqhu Another Strange Day on Gonxa (VFR Records) VA [Ben Neill] Chenistry of 7 The Gatherings (Synkronos) Dweller at the Walk in the Dust CDR from Paul (none) Threshold VA [Jeff Greinke] Vocal Overlay The Gatherings (Synkronos) Tom Seche au debut op. 1 Step by Step (Rocket to the Moon) Terra Ambient Aether * The Darker Space (Space for Music) 12:00 am Robert Carty Breath Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Electric Blood Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Roots of Soul Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Discover 1 Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Discover 2 Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Discover 3 Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Discover 4 Source (Deep Sky) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Intruders" on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the soundtrack LP "Angst" by Klaus Schulze on the IC label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Show Site: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic Radio Station Web Site: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 10:04:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16553; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:00:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:00:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c234ab$5e217c60$a53d5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for July, 2002 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:49:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for July, 2002. Shows #276 to #279; 4-July-2002 to 25-July-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Bjorn Lynne - Colony - none Dino Pacifici - special cdr - none Klangwelt - Weltweit - Spheric Mark Jenkins - Sequencer Loops - AMP Paul Ellis - Into the Liquid Unknown - Binary Robert Carty - Energy - Deep Sky Robert Carty - Gateway - Deep Sky Robert Carty - Midnight Rainbows - Deep Sky Robert Carty - Source - Deep Sky Ron Boots - Liquid Structures in Solid Form - Groove T-Bass UK - The Fabulous Neutrinos - Infection Music Terra Ambient - The Darker Space - Space for Music Various Artists - Beyond Me - Neu Harmony Various Artists - First Decade - Manikin Various Artists - Lost & Found - Foundry/Hypnos Various Artists - Portraits - In the Bubble Music Various Artists - The Gatherings - Synkronos Vir Unis and Chris Short - The Yellow House - In the Bubble Music Vir Unis and Saul Stokes - Thermal Transfer - Binary Wave World - Another Strange Day on Gonxa - VFR Records Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Show Site: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic Radio Station Web Site: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 11:40:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23664; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D416BA0.6000000@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:32:48 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: My First Post Revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings Loopers, On a lark I did an archive search and pulled up my first ever post on Loopers Delight, Back in the days that the Echoplex had not been re-issued, the DL-4 was not yet available, and the Repeaters were but a glimmer in Electrix eyes. In contrast to the post below, this week me and my loopy stuff have managed to be "Featured" on zebox.com's front page. Now I dont know if I was choosen based on artistic merit, or if perhaps it was just "my turn"... but at least it gives an idea on where I have ventured since the first days of struggle with that Akai Headrush. http://www.zebox.com/ On the page are several pieces with a fellow LD member, Jim Coker, whom I met at a Fred Frith concert last year (it pays to wear to that t-shirt out). Thanks to Loopers Delight for all the help & inspiration... Sure has, and will continue to be fun! later, -jas ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greetings Loopers, I am new to the list... stumbling upon it while searching for information on the Akai Headrush. By way of introduction; I am 35,live in Albuquerque New Mexico, and until the recent departure of my drummer played in a sloppy punk band under the moniker "dimbulb" ( http://www.unm.edu/~cornflak ). While I havent really been a looper, I became interested in the Headrush pedal after seeing it in action during a performance by Don Caballero (both Bass & guitar were using them). I was so impressed with the band, and with the pedals that I purchased one. I have been playing with it for a coupla days now and having alot of fun with both the tape echo mode and the loop mode. With my band in limbo I find that looping may hold great promise in my music-making at home. At this moment I am listening to the Looper CD via real-audio, its great and has made it to my "must purchase soon" list. With regard to the Headrush, I am having a little difficulty during the looping function. If I get a riff going, the looper seems to have a pause before the repeat begins. I am not sure if it is a function of MY timing when I hit the switchs, or if the box is just screwing with the timing. As it is now, I get a loop going, then pause to adapt any further playing to the new beat of the loop. Does that make any sense? Can anyone advise a fledgling looper on making the most out of this stomp box? Thanks, -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 13:18:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00317; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:15:17 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 7/27: open pone loop opol Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com open loop continues every week as continues every week always as continues on Saturday Saturday Saturday 4-8-4-8-4-8pm. open loop is love live looping of love and electronic instruments, instruments looped love live with instruments looping and repeating and looping and voices and guitars and laptops and sequencers and instruments and looping of live music sound looping music. open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 4pm to 8pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d, New York City. http://loopNY.com, $2 suggested donation. -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 13:31:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00846; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:26:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:26:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <48.ef77c61.2a72dfdf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:24:47 EDT Subject: Loop4 Mult after Insert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Still no word on Loop IV not being able to put a multiply cycle after > insert--it just goes back to the first cycle--not like Loop III. Am I right > or what? Your comments are welcome here. > Still grateful for these great tools (when they do what I mean to) > Gary Yes, loop4 does this differently. The Mult/Ins crossfunctions were completely overhauled and to be honest I'm not too sure what goes on there without re-checking. Here's a bit of conversation I had with Matthias on a related subject to keep you entertained in the mean time. ( Matthias is the odd no. of >, and I'm the even ) andy butler ************************************************************** > >Using Insert as an alternative ending to Multiply > >produces "interesting" results. > > > >Mult.Ins.Rec loses the end of the cycle > >into which the Insert was made. > >More of an "Alternative Ending" > >than an insert > >...I like this one ;-) > > I am aware that this does not quite work right, its just too mad. So > I am happy you like the result ;-) yes, the EDP forgets about the material in the loop from the Insert to the end of the cycle imagine a loop of counting from "one" to "four" 1234 so multiplied its 1234123412341234 then with a separate Insert-Rec , you get 12341234123412XXX34 where XXX is any length of insert with Mult.Ins.Rec you get 12341234123412XXX so you've lost the last 34. To me, this is more attractive musically, a repeating figure with an alternate ending on every 4th repeat. > > > > >Mult.Ins.Ins rounds the end of the Insert, > >to a whole no. of cycles after the start of the multiply. > >..again its an "alt ending" > > I spent quite some time to make this work and from your description I > dont understand whether it still does. The idea was simply to have a > Multiply and then continue counting without FB which is the insert > part and then round at the end as those functions do. > Did you get that? Exactly. > > >bet they do this in loop3! > > did something, but rather wrong. oh yes, remember now, always unrounded > > >to get the "expected behavior" you'd have to round the end > >of the Insert, then do another round to the end of the > >mult. > > this I dont understand... you mean the insert into the multiply? crazy... > -- the "expected behavior" would be the same as doing first the Mult, then the Insert. but to do this the EDP would have to keep track of more than one rounding. What you did sounds great.(as long as RoundMode=rnd) andy ********************************************* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 14:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04159; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:01:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:01:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <025501c234ce$9d9fd440$50544ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: UK gig spam - loads of dates!!!! Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:02:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopsters, I've got loads and loads of [decidedly loop-intensive] solo gigs coming up before the end of the year - I'm touring solo opening for 21st Century Schizoid Band (original King Crimson members playing early KC material), and then have got a few dates with fellow [looping] solo bassists Michael Manring and David Friesen!! feel free, nay obliged, to pass on this info to anyone else, and to other lists - and to check out my website at http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - CDs and gig updates available here. And if you feel so inclined, please sign up for my rapidly expanding 'street team', to help me get the word out on my gigs and recording in the future. Read about it in more detail on my website. There are some reviews of my latest CD, 'Conversations' as well as a couple of recent interviews posted on the site. see you at the gigs,- Steve August - 23-26th, Greenbelt Festival, Cheltenham (solo, and duo with Jez Carr) September 2002 7th - Red Rose Club, Finsbury Park, London (solo, supporting guitarist GP Hall) 11th - Pizza Express, Kensington Olympia, London (with Jez Carr) solo on tour supporting 21st Century Schizoid Band September 15th - The Stables, Wavendon - 01908 280800 19th - Robin 2, Wolverhampton - 01384 637747 20th - Cambridge Corn Exchange - 01223 357851 21st - Newcastle Opera House - 0191 232 0899 22nd - Liquid Room, Edinburgh - 0131 226 7010 25th - Fairfield Halls, Croydon - 020 8688 9291 30th - Queen Elizabeth Hall, London At the London Guitar Festival Bolivar Hall, Grafton Way, London W1 17th Sept - Solo, supporting Antonio Forcione 26th Sept - with Franck Vigroux (french fretless guitarist) 07855 775594 With US solo bass legends Michael Manring and David Friesen! November 5th - Ocean 2, Hackney - 020 7314 2800 6th - South Street Arts Centre, Reading 7th - Clinic at the Bass Centre, Wapping (Steve and Michael only) To buy my CDs, please visit www.steve-lawson.co.uk or www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk cheers! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 14:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04852; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:14:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:14:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200207252045.g6PKjQp08730@mail22.bigmailbox.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:17:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Any Paul Schutze fans? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_uAiB.A.KLB.bFZQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just found out that ambient/drone/soundscape artist Paul Schutze is concentrating on releasing his new works directly through the internet, as mp3 files with pdf's for the printable covers. Navigating his site is a little weird, I found a few pages of black text on black background, and he has a rather odd method of clearing the downloads, you are emailed a link with a simple usage agreement for the files. But I found 3 CD's available for download at his site, and he promises more to come. I've been following his work for the last decade or so, and have always enjoyed it, and the free downloads make it a lot easier to keep abreast of his recordings (he usually releases stuff in tiny editions on obscure labels). He has some commentary on the economics of doing non-mainstream music that I found quite interesting, and kind of discouraging, as well. His site is: http://www.paulschutze.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 15:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11030; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:32:58 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_orville_question?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 204.176.90.245 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA10998 Resent-Message-ID: <-WwmoC.A.FsC.JQaQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Orville can accept 1 pedal OR 3 footswitches in each of the rear panel PEDALs input. So combos are: 2 pedals 6 footswitches 1 pedal+3footswitches Italo > im a little confused after looking in the manual of the new toy ...... ..... > if i understand it correctly it says i can connect a total of : > two stereo cc type pedals > 4 switch type pedals > > is there any reason why i cannot connect one of each [mono cc and latc hing switch] to each footswitch jack ???? > > thanks in advance > > David Swain > > d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 15:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10016; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:22:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:22:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: orville question Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:14:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C234E0.FC01F2E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 19:15:39.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3E118C0:01C234D8] Resent-Message-ID: <_Yqtm.A.IRC.9_ZQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C234E0.FC01F2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable im a little confused after looking in the manual of the new toy = ........... if i understand it correctly it says i can connect a total of : two stereo cc type pedals 4 switch type pedals is there any reason why i cannot connect one of each [mono cc and = latching switch] to each footswitch jack ???? thanks in advance David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C234E0.FC01F2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
im a little confused after looking in = the manual=20 of the new toy ...........
if i understand it correctly it says = i can=20 connect a total of :
    two stereo cc type = pedals
    4 switch type=20 pedals
 
is there any reason why i cannot = connect one of=20 each [mono cc and latching switch] to each footswitch jack = ????
 
thanks in advance
 
David Swain
 
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
= www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C234E0.FC01F2E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 17:28:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20389; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.2a6e75cb.2a731719@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:20:25 EDT Subject: Loop4 Multiply then Insert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop4 When a Multiply is finished by an Insert you only keep the part of the loop between the start of the Mult and the start of the Insert. (This is added to the stuff that you Insert) When Insert is finished by Mult, you start to Multiply the original Loop plus the Insert. As expected but the cycle count puts the one on the first cycle after the Insert. In Loop3 ( if I remember) things are different, (I don't think you cut the end off the loop with Mult.Insert) ...but you lose the Cycle structure of the Loop, it becomes one big Cycle. andy butler (Loop3 amnesiac) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 17:56:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22251; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:55:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:55:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:54:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Gizmotron From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com funny,i just found the original ad for the 'gizmotron'-"it can turn you into a group" : "until now,all electronic guitar inventions merely altered the sound of a guitar. the 'gizmotron,however,enables the guitar to recreate the pure string sounds of other string instruments. its a musical instrument in its own right." lol creme&kevin godley inventors of the gizmotron that last statement being on point w/ the discussions we've been having,eh? s btw-"'musitronics' didnt have enough money to keep going w/ both the gizmotron and the mu-tron line,so the mu-tron co. directors decided to sell 'musitronics'...to arp in '78,but they folded before we could ever collect a cent.we became gizmo inc. and continued to try to make it go,but then i had a heart attack and that was the end of it" auron newman > FYI...If memory serves, The Gizmotron was developed by Lol Creme or at least > it was his idea and he had someone make it. The original was for guitar. > Only the bass version made it to the marketplace. > > Godley and Creme recorded a three LP set called 'Consequences' as a showcase > for the Gizmotron. Polygram also released a single LP featuring some of the > songs sans dialog. > > If you ever see a copy of the full LP (very rare!), pick it up. It's a gem! > The album is a concept album with a cast of characters - dialog provided by > the late Peter Cook. Quite hilarious IMHO. > > 'I'll be in the bath if you need me, ....I'll be in the bath if you don't > need me' Peter Cook/Consequences > > Terry > www.anomalousdisturbances.com > > > > >> From: Chris Richards >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Gizmotron >> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:35:22 -0700 (PDT) >> >> <> Gizmotrons in the 70s, and that having a motor >> that close to your pickups isn't really ideal.>> >> >> That's actually an interesting point that I had >> never thought of. I first heard of the Gizmotron >> back when I was a teenager, and I know I've read >> that Godley And Creme used it on some of their >> late 70's albums, and I believe Jimmy Page said >> he used one on Zep's In Through The Out Door >> album (on the intro to In The Evening, I >> believe). >> >> Anyway, I wouldn't have thought about it, but it >> does make sense that the motor might be a little >> too close to the pickups. Pretty much anything >> that makes mechanical noise, things like wind up >> toys or an electric tooth brush or a vibrator, >> even, will be amplified by the pickups if you get >> them close enough. Thusly, I can see how the >> motor on the Gizmotron was a little too close to >> the pickups for most practical purposes (and >> let's not forget that you also had to drill holes >> in your guitar to install this big thing that >> kinda looks like it could get in the way of your >> normal playing. >> >> Mind you, I've never actually had the opportunity >> to play a Gizmotron equipped guitar, so I really >> don't know about any of this. >> >> NP Grateful Dead "Jam" (Dick's Picks Vol. XIV) >> >> ===== >> May you never thirst! >> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris >> >> "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl >> Jones >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >> http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 18:03:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23702; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQsUxIKDEPzXrSpTa45DxwLfUNNZwIVAIdnRCraQNgGSKV+XUBPaTSq9GaI From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:59:33 -0700 (PDT) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater ques. Message-ID: <11819-3D41C645-1065@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a local shop here in vegas that has one repeater for $499. And this is what he told me, Quote"its one that we sent back for an upgrade" My question is, was there an upgrade available for the repeater? Were stores sending them back for upgades? Thanks, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 18:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25095; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:27:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:27:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: edp + Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:24:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C234FB.A2829E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 22:26:24.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A0D8980:01C234F3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C234FB.A2829E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is it really going to make any difference to it though ? and if so what ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Ewen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: RE: edp + David, I guess you were the guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone = today. I have deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the = Echoplex on the list, as it is due to be launched at the Nashville show = next week. However, Clive is renowned throughout the music biz for = having an incredibly large mouth and he can't help himself. So now the cat's out of the bag: - This new version is identical in operation to the one currently on = sale, has the same technical specifications and should in no way deter = an imminent buyer from getting one of the current ones with the up-grade = from Kim. This new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a = few months. The reason for developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale = in the UK and Europe, (previous versions could only be sold through = retail in the US and Switzerland who don't really recognise CE). This has cost Gibson about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long = days and over three years to complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, = make it 4-layer, add loads of VHF filtering; a filtered mains inlet and = some really groovy tinned-brass screening cans for the processor and = audio codec. Kim and Matthias have been invaluable during the long = process and when we finally got that CE-certificate, it was definitely = all worth it.=20 We settled on the name 'Digital pro Plus' to distinguish it from all = previous non-CE models. It will ship with Loop4 installed. We reversed the colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but = this is not finalised, (I really like Matthias' suggestion of wine-red = with cream graphics). Gibson honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening = to opinions at the show, where there will be two fully spammed-up & = working prototypes on display. I'm hoping to get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as = Clive will finally be able to flood all his European distributors with = them. This is almost as exiting for the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the = much-revered Loop4 upgrade. This is proof of Gibson's commitment to continue to expand the = horizons of the Echoplex. =20 Someday, all people will own an Echoplex; Someday, Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their = hard work J =20 Andy, Echoplex Slave, I mean Production Manager. =20 -----Original Message----- From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 July 2002 17:26 To: Loopers Delight Subject: edp + =20 just talking ot a guy a trace elliot new model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS=20 it's the same except cosmetics, black with white writing [as opposed = to te other way round] =20 anyone seen any pics ???? =20 David Swain =20 www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C234FB.A2829E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
is it really going to make any = difference to it=20 though ?
and if so what ?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Ewen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 = 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: edp +

David,

I=20 guess you were the guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone = today. I have=20 deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the Echoplex on the = list, as it=20 is due to be launched at the Nashville show next week. However, Clive = is=20 renowned throughout the music biz for having an incredibly large mouth = and he=20 can=92t help himself.

So now=20 the cat=92s out of the bag: -

This=20 new version is identical in operation to the one currently on sale, = has the=20 same technical specifications and should in no way deter an imminent = buyer=20 from getting one of the current ones with the up-grade from=20 Kim.

This=20 new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few=20 months.

The=20 reason for developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale in = the UK=20 and Europe, (previous versions could only be sold through retail in = the US and=20 Switzerland who don=92t really recognise=20 CE).

This=20 has cost Gibson about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long days = and over=20 three years to complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, make it = 4-layer,=20 add loads of VHF filtering; a filtered mains inlet and some really = groovy=20 tinned-brass screening cans for the processor and audio codec. Kim and = Matthias have been invaluable during the long process and when we = finally got=20 that CE-certificate, it was definitely all worth it.=20

We=20 settled on the name =91Digital pro Plus=92 to distinguish it from all = previous=20 non-CE models.

It=20 will ship with Loop4=20 installed.

We=20 reversed the colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but this = is not=20 finalised, (I really like Matthias=92 suggestion of wine-red with = cream=20 graphics). Gibson honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening to = opinions at the=20 show, where there will be two fully spammed-up & working = prototypes on=20 display.

I=92m=20 hoping to get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as Clive = will=20 finally be able to flood all his European distributors with them. This = is=20 almost as exiting for the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the much-revered = Loop4=20 upgrade.

This=20 is proof of Gibson=92s commitment to continue to expand the horizons = of the=20 Echoplex.

 

Someday,=20 all people will own an Echoplex;

Someday,=20 Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard = work=20 J

 

Andy,

Echoplex=20 Slave, I mean Production Manager.

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = one less=20 than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 July 2002 = 17:26
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: edp = +

 

just=20 talking ot a guy a trace elliot

new=20 model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS

it's=20 the same except cosmetics, black with white writing [as opposed to te = other=20 way round]

 

anyone = seen any=20 pics ????

 

David=20 Swain

 

www.onelessthannone.co.uk

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C234FB.A2829E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 18:46:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25898; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:40:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:40:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D41CF7C.E5A70B1E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:38:53 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater ques. References: <11819-3D41C645-1065@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5RsHuC.A.1TG.I-cQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was an upgrade. The software went from vs. 1 to vs. 1.1. However, you don't have to send the Repeater anywhere. It would have been FAR cheaper for Electrix to just send the new OS on a CFC to the music shop, and have them install it. It's a process that takes about 5 minutes. My guess is the shop is lying. Perhaps it's b stock? A return? Who knows? If it works and comes with a warrantee, I say get it. Mark Sottilaro William Mcallister wrote: > I've got a local shop here in vegas that has one repeater for $499. And > this is what he told me, Quote"its one that we sent back for an upgrade" > My question is, was there an upgrade available for the repeater? Were > stores sending them back for upgades? Thanks, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 19:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28985; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <1be.8d68e42.2a7332b6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:18:14 EDT Subject: Re: repeater ques. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com answering billy buddha, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >There was an upgrade. The software went from vs. 1 to vs. 1.1. However, >you don't have to send the Repeater anywhere. It would have been FAR >cheaper for Electrix to just send the new OS on a CFC to the music shop, >and have them install it. It's a process that takes about 5 minutes. but, some units within the first batch that left electrix had a bad thingamajiggy --- something to do w/the digital outputs frying --- that did not allow the firmware to accept the 1.1 sw upgrade without being returned to electrix for 'upgrading'. i know this, definitively: i had a few of them beasties; in fact, there's still one here. >My guess is the shop is lying. see above. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 19:22:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29153; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:21:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:21:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:20:39 EDT Subject: further: Re: repeater ques. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com further to what i said, previously (below): if a repeater boots-up w/sw v1.1, then the potential hardware problem has been averted. dude, dt / splattercell In a message dated 7/26/2002 7:18:25 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >but, some units within the first batch that left electrix had a bad >thingamajiggy --- something to do w/the digital outputs frying --- that >did >not allow the firmware to accept the 1.1 sw upgrade without being returned >to >electrix for 'upgrading'. >i know this, definitively: >i had a few of them beasties; in fact, there's still one here. > >>My guess is the shop is lying. >see above. >best, >dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 19:46:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30037; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:40:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020726163143.031a8b68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:42:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop4 Multiply then Insert In-Reply-To: <2f.2a6e75cb.2a731719@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:20 PM 7/26/2002, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >In Loop3 ( if I remember) things are different, (I don't >think you cut the end off the loop with Mult.Insert) >...but you lose the Cycle structure of the Loop, it >becomes one big Cycle. no, in loopIII it did not lose the cycle structure when doing this special Insert-to-multiply function. It kept adding cycles, but effectively let you turn the original audio on and off under you by switching back and forth between insert and multiply. You ended it by repeating whichever phase you were in. i.e., if it was inserting, press insert again to end and start the whole loop repeating. the cycle structure was retained. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 21:17:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05305; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:16:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:16:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D41F436.F95AB6C2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:15:35 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Starting a fixed length loop in Loop31 References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020726163143.031a8b68@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1CXtkB.A.lRB.-QfQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, a while ago Kim mentioned that one could set up the EDP to start recording, go a certian preset amount of bars, and then auto end the loop, going into overdub. I'm synched to the midi clock of a drum machine (a Roland MC-307) and have it set up so it quantizes my loop (waits for the "one" to start recording) I asked this a little while ago, and the response was, "really ought to get Loop4..." but I'm sure I heard of this function long before Loop4 was out. I've been over the manual, and it doesn't seem obvious to me. anyone? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 21:22:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06297; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:22:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:22:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D41F5BB.7209BE3B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:22:04 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater ques. References: <1be.8d68e42.2a7332b6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, interesting. I had not heard about that. Wouldn't that make it "b" stock? I'd want a little off for a Factory Referb. Then again, this is about to be a rare bird. Mark Sottilaro Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > answering billy buddha, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > >There was an upgrade. The software went from vs. 1 to vs. 1.1. However, > >you don't have to send the Repeater anywhere. It would have been FAR > >cheaper for Electrix to just send the new OS on a CFC to the music shop, > >and have them install it. It's a process that takes about 5 minutes. > > but, some units within the first batch that left electrix had a bad > thingamajiggy --- something to do w/the digital outputs frying --- that did > not allow the firmware to accept the 1.1 sw upgrade without being returned to > electrix for 'upgrading'. > i know this, definitively: > i had a few of them beasties; in fact, there's still one here. > > >My guess is the shop is lying. > see above. > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 26 21:44:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07839; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:43:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:43:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:42:46 -0400 Subject: Zoom Sampletrak From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D41F436.F95AB6C2@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone used a Sampletrak with SmartMedia cards? I'm fooling with one and have a 64 MB card and it doesn't see it. Beginning to think that smaller card sizes are all that's supported. Anyone? Tearing my hair out over this! BTW, have a brand new Peavy PC1600X controller here for sale... any interest? David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 00:59:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19783; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:59:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:59:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <63.f148d6b.2a73824a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:57:46 EDT Subject: Re: Any Paul Schutze fans? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_63.f148d6b.2a73824a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_63.f148d6b.2a73824a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks so much for the link.......I'm a big fan of Paul Schutze music as well. -especially the 'supergroup' he formed for the Phantom City stuff: Bill Laswell, Raoul Bjorkenheim, Toshinori Kondo, etc. etc. --part1_63.f148d6b.2a73824a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks so much for the link.......I'm a big fan of Paul Schutze music as well.
-especially the 'supergroup' he formed for the Phantom City stuff: Bill Laswell, Raoul Bjorkenheim, Toshinori Kondo, etc. etc. --part1_63.f148d6b.2a73824a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 02:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26513; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:48:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:48:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:48:07 -0500 Subject: 9 effects, 8 outlets (combining power cables?) Resent-Message-ID: <2bh3eC.A.HeG.oIkQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, i'm about to demonstrate my ignorance (like this is something new) and ask if there's any way to combine the iec power cables for my edps (a pair)? my power conditioner has 8 outlets and i have nine units to power. any suggestions other than buying a juice goose conditioner with 11 outlets? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 03:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28881; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020727071629.30772.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: 9 effects, 8 outlets (combining power cables?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My uneducated response is to run a power strip or multi-plug ext. cord from one of the power conditioner outlets. John --- JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > well, i'm about to demonstrate my ignorance (like > this > is something new) and ask if there's any way to > combine the iec power cables for my edps (a pair)? > my > power conditioner has 8 outlets and i have nine > units > to power. any suggestions other than buying a juice > > goose conditioner with 11 outlets? > > -jim > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 04:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA32287; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 04:14:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 04:14:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020727005616.00b49e78@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 01:15:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: 9 effects, 8 outlets (combining power cables?) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe something like this would work: http://www.newark.com/search/Description.jsp?sku=83F6492 Note: the picture is wrong. Here's the same cable, on the manufacturer's site (with the correct picture): http://www.volexpowercords.com/power_cords/powercord2.cgi?view=17274A&catagory=3_conductor_plastic_detachable&area=other&mfgloc=&partnumber=&userid= -Hans At 00:48 27/07/2002, you wrote: >well, i'm about to demonstrate my ignorance (like this >is something new) and ask if there's any way to >combine the iec power cables for my edps (a pair)? my >power conditioner has 8 outlets and i have nine units >to power. any suggestions other than buying a juice >goose conditioner with 11 outlets? > >-jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 04:25:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA32722; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 04:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 04:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020727012536.033b8c80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 01:26:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 9 effects, 8 outlets (combining power cables?) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020727005616.00b49e78@pop.charter.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com splitting the ac like that should be fine. that's exactly what a power strip does. kim At 01:15 AM 7/27/2002, armatronix wrote: >Maybe something like this would work: > >http://www.newark.com/search/Description.jsp?sku=83F6492 Note: the >picture is wrong. > >Here's the same cable, on the manufacturer's site (with the correct picture): > >http://www.volexpowercords.com/power_cords/powercord2.cgi?view=17274A&catagory=3_conductor_plastic_detachable&area=other&mfgloc=&partnumber=&userid= ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 05:11:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02846; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 05:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 05:11:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020727013338.02180618@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:12:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Starting a fixed length loop in Loop31 In-Reply-To: <3D41F436.F95AB6C2@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020726163143.031a8b68@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:15 PM 7/26/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >OK, a while ago Kim mentioned that one could set up the EDP to start >recording, go a certian preset amount of bars, and then auto end the loop, >going into overdub. I'm synched to the midi clock of a drum machine (a Roland >MC-307) and have it set up so it quantizes my loop (waits for the "one" to >start recording) For LoopIII, you can do this sort of thing with midi clock in. With LoopIV you can do it without any clock. so you are on the right path, here is what you do: Set 8ths/cycle to match the length of loop cycle you want. The default is 8 eighth notes, which of course is one bar of 4/4. Unfortunately in LoopIII, 8ths/cycle only goes to 20. So if you are playing in 4/4, setting to 16 for two bars is the best you can get. (In LoopIV it goes to 256.) Start the sequencer so midi clock is being sent. You will see the sync LED blink with the downbeat. Tap Record shortly after. You will see 'ooo' on the display while it is waiting to start recording. At the next cycle point (as defined by when you started the clock and 8ths/cycle), Recording will start automatically. Press Overdub sometime after that. You can be lazy about when. The 'ooo' will appear on the display again while it waits for the next cycle point. When the cycle point comes, record will end automatically and the loop will start looping with overdub on. The loop length will match the tempo and remain in sync. Note: If you were in Delay mode (loop/delay parameter), you would end with Record instead of Overdub. In Delay mode the input to the delay is always open, so that is effectively like doing Record->Overdub in Loop mode. This process is not so automated that you only have to press one button, but we made it such that it only requires two presses. it is like that for a reason. The option is left open for you to decide if you want to end with Record, multiply, overdub, insert, reverse, etc. So you have flexibility in what function you enter once the initial loop is recorded. It is also left open for you to decide how many cycles make up the initial record. So while 8ths/cycle may be set to 8, if you let it keep going it will start counting up cycles. (representing bars in the case of 8ths/cycle=8). You will see the multiple counter incrementing in time to the drum machine. when you have as many bars recorded as you want, press Record to end. (or some other function to go into when the cycle is reached.) The cycle will round off and start looping, while staying in sync. The nice thing about the quantizing for both starting record and ending record is it lets you be very imprecise about when you press the buttons. If your attention is diverted to playing some other instrument, you don't have to concentrate very much about when you press the buttons on the EDP - the machine will take care of the rhythm for you. This is really helpful. Just tap Record somewhere ahead of when you want to start recording, and tap again somewhere before you want to end. >I asked this a little while ago, and the response was, "really ought to get >Loop4..." but I'm sure I heard of this function long before Loop4 was out. let me know if you have questions about the above. I think that is what you are looking for. LoopIV adds the ability to do this without midi clock in, using the tempo select function. So anytime you can set a tempo or call one up from a preset and do these more automated Records to it. You can also set 8ths/cycle over a much wider range, as noted before. Also in LoopIV, quantizing determines whether you wait for the cycle point to start recording or not. (In LoopIII it waited no matter what.) So in LoopIV if you have quantize off, Pressing Record while sync is coming in starts immediately. It will still understand the loop length based on the clock and round off correctly to the right lengths after you end record. Only with quantizing do you still see the 'ooo' after you tap record, and it is just like LoopIII. hope this helps, let me know if you have more questions. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 05:28:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03357; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 05:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 05:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: edp + Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:33:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23559.156B24E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23559.156B24E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The idea was to make it exactly the same, just get it through approvals so Gibson can sell them everywhere. However, due to massive new layout changes and screening, there will be improvements in noise immunity and overall noise. Tests so far have showed that it may have better frequency response and distortion figures. More testing being done, The biggest difference to the whole thing is getting it out to a much wider audience, which can only be good. Andy. -----Original Message----- From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com] Sent: 26 July 2002 23:25 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp + is it really going to make any difference to it though ? and if so what ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: RE: edp + David, I guess you were the guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone today. I have deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the Echoplex on the list, as it is due to be launched at the Nashville show next week. However, Clive is renowned throughout the music biz for having an incredibly large mouth and he can’t help himself. So now the cat’s out of the bag: - This new version is identical in operation to the one currently on sale, has the same technical specifications and should in no way deter an imminent buyer from getting one of the current ones with the up-grade from Kim. This new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few months. The reason for developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale in the UK and Europe, (previous versions could only be sold through retail in the US and Switzerland who don’t really recognise CE). This has cost Gibson about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long days and over three years to complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, make it 4-layer, add loads of VHF filtering; a filtered mains inlet and some really groovy tinned-brass screening cans for the processor and audio codec. Kim and Matthias have been invaluable during the long process and when we finally got that CE-certificate, it was definitely all worth it. We settled on the name ‘Digital pro Plus’ to distinguish it from all previous non-CE models. It will ship with Loop4 installed. We reversed the colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but this is not finalised, (I really like Matthias’ suggestion of wine-red with cream graphics). Gibson honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening to opinions at the show, where there will be two fully spammed-up & working prototypes on display. I’m hoping to get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as Clive will finally be able to flood all his European distributors with them. This is almost as exiting for the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the much-revered Loop4 upgrade. This is proof of Gibson’s commitment to continue to expand the horizons of the Echoplex. Someday, all people will own an Echoplex; Someday, Kim & Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard work :-) Andy, Echoplex Slave, I mean Production Manager. -----Original Message----- From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 July 2002 17:26 To: Loopers Delight Subject: edp + just talking ot a guy a trace elliot new model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS it's the same except cosmetics, black with white writing [as opposed to te other way round] anyone seen any pics ???? David Swain www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23559.156B24E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The idea was to make it exactly the same, just get it through = approvals so Gibson can sell them everywhere.

However, due to massive new layout changes and screening, there = will be improvements in noise immunity and overall noise. Tests so far have showed that it = may have better frequency response and distortion figures. More testing being = done,

The biggest difference to the whole thing is getting it out to a = much wider audience, which can only be = good.

Andy.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com]
Sent: 26 July 2002 = 23:25
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: edp = +

 

is it really going to make any difference to it though ?<= /p>

and if so what ?

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Ewen

=

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com

Sent: Friday, July = 12, 2002 9:01 PM

Subject: RE: edp +

 <= /p>

David,

I guess you were the = guy I spoke to when Clive handed me the phone today. I have deliberately not mentioned the new revision of the Echoplex on the list, as it is due to = be launched at the Nashville show next week. However, Clive is renowned = throughout the music biz for having an incredibly large mouth and he can’t = help himself.

So now the = cat’s out of the bag: -

This new version is identical in operation to the one currently on sale, has the same = technical specifications and should in no way deter an imminent buyer from getting = one of the current ones with the up-grade from = Kim.

This new model will primarily be shipped to EDP-starved Europe in a few = months.

The reason for = developing it, is to get a CE approved version for sale in the UK and Europe, = (previous versions could only be sold through retail in the US and Switzerland who = don’t really recognise CE).

This has cost Gibson = about $30 000 and me personally, a lot of long days and over three years to = complete. We had to totally re-lay the PCB, make it 4-layer, add loads of VHF = filtering; a filtered mains inlet and some really groovy tinned-brass screening = cans for the processor and audio codec. Kim and Matthias have been invaluable = during the long process and when we finally got that CE-certificate, it was = definitely all worth it.

We settled on the = name ‘Digital pro Plus’ to distinguish it from all previous = non-CE models.

It will ship with Loop4 = installed.

We reversed the = colours on the front, again to distinguish it, but this is not finalised, (I really = like Matthias’ suggestion of wine-red with cream graphics). Gibson = honcho, Kevin Van Pamel will be listening to opinions at the show, where there will be two = fully spammed-up & working prototypes on = display.

I’m hoping to = get a huge order for these babies out of Gibson, as Clive will finally be able to = flood all his European distributors with them. This is almost as exiting for = the EDP, or is it now EDPP, as the much-revered Loop4 = upgrade.

This is proof of = Gibson’s commitment to continue to expand the horizons of the = Echoplex.

 

Someday, all people = will own an Echoplex;

Someday, Kim & = Matthias may actually make some money for all their hard work = J

 

Andy,

Echoplex Slave, I = mean Production Manager.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 July 2002 = 17:26
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: edp = +<= /p>

 <= /p>

just talking ot a guy a trace elliot

new model due out, the echopled digital pro PLUS =

it's the same except cosmetics, black with white writing = [as opposed to te other way round]

 

anyone seen any pics ????

 

David Swain

 <= /p>

www.onelessthannone.co.uk<= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23559.156B24E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 09:43:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16282; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:42:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:42:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020727063751.00a76610@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 06:40:05 -0700 To: Loopers Delight List From: Tom Heasley Subject: drum machine museum SF weekly article Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_31707578==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_31707578==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Especially for Hans... http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2002-07-24/music.html/1/index.html Tom --=====================_31707578==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Especially for Hans...

http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2002-07-24/music.html/1/index.html

Tom

--=====================_31707578==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 09:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16814; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:55:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.40.164.187] From: "juan darkness" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom Sampletrak Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:55:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2002 13:55:04.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[356FCB80:01C23575] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi,i believe that only 4 or 8 mb cards are supported... www.internet.com.uy/elefante >From: David Myers >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Zoom Sampletrak >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:42:46 -0400 > >Anyone used a Sampletrak with SmartMedia cards? I'm fooling with one and >have a 64 MB card and it doesn't see it. Beginning to think that smaller >card sizes are all that's supported. Anyone? Tearing my hair out over >this! > >BTW, have a brand new Peavy PC1600X controller here for sale... any >interest? > >David Lee Myers >http://www.pulsewidth.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN. Más Útil cada Día. http://www.msn.es/intmap/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 10:30:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19572; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:30:05 EDT Subject: Re: edp + To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy, in response to someone else, you said: >Tests so far have showed >that it may have better frequency response and distortion figures. on a related note: is there any chance that the output-levels of the edp+ will be increased, as well? just wondering. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 11:15:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22458; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:14:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Zoom Sampletrak From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA22404 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No thanks to Zoom on this--no info anywhere in the manual or at the Samsontech/Zoom site. Finally found a link to the Japanese Zoom site, where they state that 4, 8, or 16 MB cards can be used. Just picked up a 16 which seems fine. Anybody have a use for (two!) 64 MB Smartmedia cards? I sure don't. David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com on 7/27/02 9:55 AM, juan darkness at manecobazar@hotmail.com wrote: > hi,i believe that only 4 or 8 mb cards are supported... > > > www.internet.com.uy/elefante > > >> From: David Myers >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: >> Subject: Zoom Sampletrak >> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:42:46 -0400 >> >> Anyone used a Sampletrak with SmartMedia cards? I'm fooling with one and >> have a 64 MB card and it doesn't see it. Beginning to think that smaller >> card sizes are all that's supported. Anyone? Tearing my hair out over >> this! >> >> BTW, have a brand new Peavy PC1600X controller here for sale... any >> interest? >> >> David Lee Myers >> http://www.pulsewidth.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN. Más Útil cada Día. http://www.msn.es/intmap/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 12:46:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28407; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:45:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:45:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:45:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Starting a fixed length loop in Loop31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020727013338.02180618@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <35574102-A180-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, OK. I had figured out how to do this. I thought there was a way to do it in one tap, similar to the JamMan. The ability to quantize your loops is really sweet, I must say. This was something I totally hoped would have eventually been incorperated into the Repeater's functionality, but I guess not. Loop4's extra high 8th note ability is nice, but if I'm going to have to press my pedal again, I can wait until the middle of my last bar, no biggie. It would be great if this could be done in a single tap, ala JamMan. So.... is it too early to start making Loop5 requests? Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 27, 2002, at 02:12 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 06:15 PM 7/26/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> OK, a while ago Kim mentioned that one could set up the EDP to start >> recording, go a certian preset amount of bars, and then auto end the >> loop, >> going into overdub.Set 8ths/cycle to match the length of loop cycle >> you want. The default is 8 eighth notes, which of course is one bar of >> 4/4. Unfortunately in LoopIII, 8ths/cycle only goes to 20. So if you >> are playing in 4/4, setting to 16 for two bars is the best you can >> get. (In LoopIV it goes to 256.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 12:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28698; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:50:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:50:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:50:02 -0700 Subject: Re: edp + Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmmm. Maybe I should have waited for the EDP+? One thing I do notice is that the fidelity of the EDP isn't as good as the Repeater. What's being done to the EDP+ to make it sound better? Could there be a way that one could sent their EDP for an "overhaul" to get Loop4 installed and whatever mods that extend the frequency response? Of course, for a price. That would be nice. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 27, 2002, at 02:33 AM, Andy Ewen wrote: > Tests so far have showed that it may have better frequency response > and distortion figures. More testing being done, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 13:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31782; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:36:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:36:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:35:55 -0500 Subject: Re: 9 effects, 8 outlets (combining power cables?) Resent-Message-ID: <010SuB.A.qvH.8ntQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so i should be able to do this "homemade-style" just by cutting the ends and attaching them to one, sort of like this: ---<::::: jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 14:07:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01918; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:06:50 -0700 Subject: Y2K2 loop picts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000901c2337e$73e55360$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Message-Id: <9FEED1C4-A18B-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, Ted K was nice enough to take a ton of digital images and apply some wacky fliters to a few. Rick Walker got a CD-ROM of those images to me, and I just posted them on the Y2K2 Loopfest site I did: http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html go to the bottom link for the images. Enjoy. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 14:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04495; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:56:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:56:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020727115526.036a5638@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:57:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp + In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <26l_-B.A.tFB.FzuQ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:30 AM 7/27/2002, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >on a related note: >is there any chance that the output-levels of the edp+ will be increased, as >well? >just wondering. have you done the gain mod listed in the faq? http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 that makes the output capable of +4dBu levels and the input less sensitive. New units should have those resistor values for the last couple years. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 15:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07307; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:24:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:24:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:23:42 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a3.2bf2145e.2a744d3e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a3.2bf2145e.2a744d3e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/27/02 2:07:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html most cool!.....thanks ted and mark.....michael --part1_a3.2bf2145e.2a744d3e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/27/02 2:07:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html


most cool!.....thanks ted and mark.....michael --part1_a3.2bf2145e.2a744d3e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 15:41:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08100; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:40:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Of percussion, Repeaters, and MIDI clocks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Cc: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Mark Hamburg From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I'm not past wanting the Handsonic! I'm past having the cash! Or should I say, not near enough to having the cash. OK, for you, I did a little experiment with the Repeater's MIDI clock. Here's what I came up with. When used to drive my Roland MC-307 it worked perfectly. When used to run my MPX1, it seemed fine... except for one patch, where it seemed the delay output kept changing, but it might have had something to do with the patch itself. (It's a preset I've modified) When taking clock from the 307, it does not behave that way. Right away, I noticed a lot of scratchy sound. From where? Unplug the midi in from the AdrenaLinn... NOISE GONE. Weird. I had that issue with the 307 when I first got the AdrenaLinn, and they sent me new ROMs that fixed the problem. The Repeater's clock seems to bring it back. However, I notice no weirdness with timing. It seems fine. The delays are synched, and I don't hear any time glitches. Now let's try the Repeater's clock driving the MoFX... SUCK. It sounds like each measure has someone playing with the delay time. But is it the MIDI clock, or something else? I noticed no problem with the Tremolo or the Flange effect. Something is going on with the Repeater's MIDI out, but I'm not sure what. I wish someone would anaylize it and tell us what's up. It's as if there's a sporadic message, that fucks certain devices up, and not others. SO, I'd say, if you want to drive a Roland drum machine from the Repeater's clock, it will probably be OK. Anything else, not sure. Anyone else on the list have experience of what works and doesn't work? Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 27, 2002, at 10:40 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > How well does the Repeater's MIDI clock output work if you just record a > loop on the Repeater by hitting record and then stop/play/whatever (not > having a Repeater I don't know)? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 16:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12099; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:29:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:29:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Of percussion, Repeaters, and MIDI clocks Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:30:07 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c235ac$66650a20$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, I'll list my personal experiences what works and what doesn't when syncing to the Repeater. Note that all the devices mentioned work perfectly when synced to a Quasimidi Sirius (techno workstation, my "drum machine"). I didn't try any other clock sources. Quasimidi Sirius - perfect TC D Two - perfect TC FireworX - some slight clicks in delays sometimes Roland VBass - massive clicks in all MIDI-synced effects all the time - it's practically unsusable in this context Sony HR-GP5 - perfect (delay is only MIDI-synced effect) As I use a lot of the MIDI-synced stuff of my VBass, I can't use my repeater for the MIDI clock source. This leaves (given the layout of my MIDI setup) several (intelligent) possibilities: Sirius, VBass. Currently, I use the Sirius, but this way, I can't tap the tempo by foot, so I'll experiment with the VBass a little...anyway, I'd prefer using the Repeater as the clock source, to make use of the fantastic varispeed effect... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > SO, I'd say, if you want to drive a Roland drum machine from the > Repeater's clock, it will probably be OK. Anything else, not sure. > Anyone else on the list have experience of what works and > doesn't work? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 16:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13547; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:54:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:01:00 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002101c235b0$b67da900$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9FEED1C4-A18B-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: Y2K2 loop picts > Hey kids, > > Ted K was nice enough to take a ton of digital images and apply some > wacky fliters to a few. Rick Walker got a CD-ROM of those images to me, > and I just posted them on the Y2K2 Loopfest site I did: > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html > > go to the bottom link for the images. Enjoy. Nice! There's a bunch of broken links as one forwards through the gallery, but it's to everyone playing. When can we hear some sounds? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 17:07:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15570; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:00:12 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts In-reply-to: <9FEED1C4-A18B-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <9FEED1C4-A18B-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:06 AM -0700 7/27/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Ted K was nice enough to take a ton of digital images and apply some >wacky fliters to a few. Rick Walker got a CD-ROM of those images to >me, and I just posted them on the Y2K2 Loopfest site I did: Thanks! I was hoping someone got good still photo coverage. A few broken links, though, all of which have "special" characters in them: http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/gary_hall_%26_larry_%220%22_01.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/gary_hall_%26_larry_%220%22_02.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/gary_hall_%26_larry_%220%22_03.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/gary_hall_%26_larry_%220%22_04.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/jon_wagner%20(%26_rick_w)_01.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/jon_wagner%20(%26_rick_w)_02.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/larry_%22O%22_01.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/larry_%22O%22_02.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/mark_sottilaro_%26_valerie_01.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/tim_crowe_%26%20rick_walker_01.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/tim_crowe_%26%20rick_walker_02.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/tim_crowe_%26%20rick_walker_03.htm http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/pages/tim_crowe_%26%20rick_walker_04.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 17:11:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15929; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:10:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:10:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002101c235b0$b67da900$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Message-Id: <48F8053A-A1A5-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I caught the broken links. Ted did some non HTML friendly naming, so I've got to go in and rename those. I have no idea about the sound from the shows. Mark On Saturday, July 27, 2002, at 02:01 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:06 PM > Subject: Y2K2 loop picts > > >> Hey kids, >> >> Ted K was nice enough to take a ton of digital images and apply some >> wacky fliters to a few. Rick Walker got a CD-ROM of those images to >> me, >> and I just posted them on the Y2K2 Loopfest site I did: >> >> http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html >> >> go to the bottom link for the images. Enjoy. > > Nice! There's a bunch of broken links as one forwards through > the gallery, but it's to everyone playing. When can we hear > some sounds? > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 18:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20447; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:32:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:32:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.21cef7e6.2a747955@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:31:49 EDT Subject: Re: edp + To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com k, >have you done the gain mod listed in the faq? no, but..... i didn't think it necessary? i have new units; they *appear* to have been mf'd after gibson dropped trace. >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 >that makes the output capable of +4dBu levels and the input less sensitive. >New units should have those resistor values for the last couple years. right: i have new units. both of 'em seem to have low output levels, in relation to my (3) other output signals. maybe they've got the guts'n'brains of older units, but re-done w/gibson faceplates? hmmm..... thankee. best, d / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 18:40:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20875; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:39:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:47:00 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001601c235bf$84e1a040$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9FEED1C4-A18B-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <002101c235b0$b67da900$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > > Hey kids, > > > > Ted K was nice enough to take a ton of digital images and apply some > > wacky fliters to a few. Rick Walker got a CD-ROM of those images to me, > > and I just posted them on the Y2K2 Loopfest site I did: > > > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html > > > > go to the bottom link for the images. Enjoy. > > Nice! There's a bunch of broken links as one forwards through > the gallery, but it's to everyone playing. When can we hear > some sounds? but it's nice to see everyone playing. too much stuff on my mind to post and make sense! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 18:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20899; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:40:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:40:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:39:49 -0500 Subject: Re: edp + Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "i have new units. both of 'em seem to have low output levels, in relation to my (3) other output signals. maybe they've got the guts'n'brains of older units, but re-done w/gibson faceplates? hmmm....." this is an educated guess, but i think the newer (and "upgraded") units are still relatively quiet. i sent my new edp to shane radke and he wrote back saying "nope, nothing wrong...newer resistors, etc." and so i suppose we just have to live with the volume effect of the edp's input/output section...an inconvenient yet SMALL price to pay, imho. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 21:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30997; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020727175717.02190eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:07:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp + In-Reply-To: <3e.21cef7e6.2a747955@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6bqEL.A.8jH.UN0Q9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm, sounds like something may be amiss. I'll look into it. kim At 03:31 PM 7/27/2002, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >k, > > >have you done the gain mod listed in the faq? >no, but..... i didn't think it necessary? >i have new units; they *appear* to have been mf'd after gibson dropped trace. > > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 > >that makes the output capable of +4dBu levels and the input less sensitive. > >New units should have those resistor values for the last couple years. >right: i have new units. >both of 'em seem to have low output levels, in relation to my (3) other >output signals. maybe they've got the guts'n'brains of older units, but >re-done w/gibson faceplates? hmmm..... >thankee. >best, >d / s-c ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 27 22:54:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03699; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:53:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:53:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:53:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Of percussion, Repeaters, and MIDI clocks From: Mark Hamburg To: Mark Sottilaro CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Mark. That does confirm that the setup I was contemplating wouldn't be viable. What I had wanted to do was feed the Handsonic into a Repeater and put my Mo-FX in the Repeater's effects loop. The stereo, effects loop, and multitrack features seemed pretty useful in that context -- more so than when doing guitar looping where the EDP is working well for me. However, since my goal would be to have it determine tempo to feed the Mo-FX from the recorded loop length, that just doesn't seem like an option. Pity -- though it saves me the trouble of looking for a Repeater. I could record the initial loop into an EDP and then dump that to the Repeater, but if I'm going to do that, I might just as well do it all on the EDP. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 13:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20640; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:38:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:38:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:37:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Of percussion, Repeaters, and MIDI clocks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not take the clock from the Handsonic? Which brings up another question. If a slaved device gets the weird Repeater clock, does it just pass that clock, or will some devices put out their own clock, based on the Repeater's clock? Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 27, 2002, at 07:53 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Thanks, Mark. > > That does confirm that the setup I was contemplating wouldn't be viable. > What I had wanted to do was feed the Handsonic into a Repeater and put > my > Mo-FX in the Repeater's effects loop. The stereo, effects loop, and > multitrack features seemed pretty useful in that context -- more so than > when doing guitar looping where the EDP is working well for me. However, > since my goal would be to have it determine tempo to feed the Mo-FX > from the > recorded loop length, that just doesn't seem like an option. Pity -- > though > it saves me the trouble of looking for a Repeater. > > I could record the initial loop into an EDP and then dump that to the > Repeater, but if I'm going to do that, I might just as well do it all > on the > EDP. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 13:40:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20842; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:40:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:40:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:39:48 -0700 Subject: Re: y2k2 pics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <61.235313eb.2a75648b@aol.com> Message-Id: <0390CFB7-A251-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <-uz42C.A.GFF.mxCR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, When I found a bunch of images that had characters in the name that made the whole html thing choke, I took the page down. I'm going to have to go back and rename them all by hand, and I was busy yesterday. Maybe later today. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 08:15 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > hey mark.....i can no longer get to the site.....i got there yesterday > but > then it said, at a later try, site not found on this server and somthing > about a 404 error.....any ideas?.....michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 13:44:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21222; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:44:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:44:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:43:49 -0700 Subject: Repeater clock out. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Cc: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Mark Hamburg From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <92B58482-A251-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <3CvkVB.A.DLF.X1CR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. It does make the Repeater awkward to work with in that respect. Frankly, when you saw me at Loopfest, I was taking clock from the AdrenaLinn. How the hell could they let a product out the door that didn't even work with other products from the same company? Stupid. Then they get all snippy with me when I criticize them. Again I ask the question: How could they let a product out the door with an issue as deep as this? The mind boggles. Didn't anyone at Electrix hook this thing to a MoFX? The only reason I never said anything was because I'm always using another clock and I figured this issue was being dealt with in OS 1.2. Oh well. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 27, 2002, at 07:53 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Thanks, Mark. > > That does confirm that the setup I was contemplating wouldn't be viable. > What I had wanted to do was feed the Handsonic into a Repeater and put > my > Mo-FX in the Repeater's effects loop. The stereo, effects loop, and > multitrack features seemed pretty useful in that context -- more so than > when doing guitar looping where the EDP is working well for me. However, > since my goal would be to have it determine tempo to feed the Mo-FX > from the > recorded loop length, that just doesn't seem like an option. Pity -- > though > it saves me the trouble of looking for a Repeater. > > I could record the initial loop into an EDP and then dump that to the > Repeater, but if I'm going to do that, I might just as well do it all > on the > EDP. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 13:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21830; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:54:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020728105328.02304450@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:56:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Repeater clock out. In-Reply-To: <92B58482-A251-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com silly goose - when they released the repeater the company had no other products :( At 10:43 AM 2002/07/28, Mark wrote: >Frankly, when you saw me at Loopfest, I was taking clock from the >AdrenaLinn. How the hell could they let a product out the door that >didn't even work with other products from the same company? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 14:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24053; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:15:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:15:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:12:31 -0700 Message-Id: <200207281812.g6SICVw19552@mail24.bigmailbox.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [140.233.70.138] Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="BIfJRChz3iWMqVTKzYvWsxGvD" From: "murkie !" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: gator cases - anyone used them ? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... --BIfJRChz3iWMqVTKzYvWsxGvD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i have a couple. they seem considerably less-sturdy/durable than a skb. i just uese 'em for stuff i don't usually take out on every gig. m.c. Mark Christensen http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Big Heavy World at http://www.bigheavyworld.com, Vermont's music 24/7. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. 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--BIfJRChz3iWMqVTKzYvWsxGvD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 15:07:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29187; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c2366a$1fc606a0$13594ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: another review! Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:08:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopsters, this one is from www.aural-innovations.com - and not a bad one at that! :o) definitely a few bits for the quotes file in there... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig dates and street team) My introduction to bassist Steve Lawson's music was his And Nothing But The Bass CD (see AI #15), a solo bass performance that featured Lawson playing with a live sampler and accompanying himself on the resulting loops. On Conversations Lawson teams up with pianist Jez Carr for a set of excursions that explore ambient, New Age and jazz music, but with twist provided by Lawson's loops and effects. On "Destination Unknown" Lawson plays bending notes on the fretless while Carr plays a simple but calming melody on the piano. The combination is beautifully serene. Each of the bass notes speaks volume... they're incredibly deep and under the headphones I felt this pleasant winding effect in my head. And things get even more interesting than that. Lawson is also embellishing the meditative duo performance with guitar-like playing and fun freaky bits produced by his looping techniques. They duo will be playing along in an ambient jazzy style when all of a sudden a chorus of noodling spacey sounds will come in sounding like a herd of gremlins launching an attack. These guys create highly meditative music and then they slip a mickey into your mantra. I love it! "Sweet 'n' Spiky/Shades Of Creation" is similar but jazzier. And at 18 minutes the duo really stretch out and explore a variety of musical ideas that all fit together nicely. "WhateverWhatever / Migration" also finds Carr playing in a calm but jazzy style while Lawson lays down a bit of a groove to accompany it and, of course, treats us to more fun sounds that give the feeling of a strange alien conversation with the piano. Finally, each musician has a solo track but they're so short that neither has the opportunity to go anywhere with it. In summary, Steve Lawson has got to be one of the most tasteful bassists I've heard in a long time and is certainly a creative player who focuses on sound and the quality of individual notes, not to mention different ways of speaking with his instrument. Carr's playing makes for a very nice conversational partner to the bass but won't prompt you to dash out and find more of his work. This is subtle music that demands your undivided attention lest you miss all the little imaginative bits that Lawson injects to make for a relaxing and contemplative listening experience. For more information you can visit the Steve Lawson web site at: http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk/. Conversations is distributed by Pillow Mountain Records. You can visit their web site at: http://www.pillowmountainrecords.com. Contact via snail mail c/o Pillow Mountain Records; PO Box 13788; N14 5ER; London, UK. Reviewed by Jerry Kranitz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 15:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30304; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:34:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:34:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4446D7.8C5DE183@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:32:39 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Fwd: $ounds of $ilence] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4R8zpB.A.BZH.IcER9@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is kind of funny: -------- Original Message -------- http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/weird_news/3688662.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 15:42:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30730; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:42:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.5d70684.2a75a300@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:41:52 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <-G_sb.A.-fH.jkER9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 7/27/02 2:10:48 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: << Ted did some non HTML friendly naming >> Sorry, I was just doing it quick to get everyone's names ON the files so they'd be identified. I wasn't thinking of what it would do in HTML. Oooops! BTW, I'm in northeastern Indiana at the moment with the family, visiting inlaws and friends of my wife. Anyy loopers near the Ft. Wayne area? We're staying in the area for about a week. Ciao y'all! Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 15:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30919; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:44:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:44:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:44:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fwd: $ounds of $ilence] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-186131922 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D4446D7.8C5DE183@tapehissrecordings.com> Message-Id: <66226E40-A262-11D6-ABD1-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-186131922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed This is the definition of asinine. > This is kind of funny: .................................................................. Doug Miller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-1-186131922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII This is the definition of asinine. This is kind of funny: Arial.................................................................. Arial BlackDoug MillerArial < http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-1-186131922-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 16:11:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00473; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:11:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:11:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:10:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Of percussion, Repeaters, and MIDI clocks From: Mark Hamburg To: , Mark Sottilaro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Why not take the clock from the Handsonic? Because the Handsonic sets the clock based on my knowing what tempo I want to play at. If doing that, I've got lots of ways to set and distribute clock information. I want to be able to just play and have the tempo derived from the loop length. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 16:28:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01273; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020728132511.00ab25f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:29:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Of percussion, Repeaters, and MIDI clocks In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4SwIF.A.ST.yOFR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:37 AM 7/28/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Which brings up another question. If a slaved device gets the weird >Repeater clock, does it just pass that clock, or will some devices put out >their own clock, based on the Repeater's clock? I would expect most devices to pass through the clock as they got it. That would be the simplest thing to do, but also the safest. If the clock was supposed to be changing (tempo change), you wouldn't want to screw it up by doing something tricky to "fix" it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 17:01:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03885; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020728133012.032eeb68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:00:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater clock out. In-Reply-To: <92B58482-A251-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:43 AM 7/28/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Right. It does make the Repeater awkward to work with in that respect. >Frankly, when you saw me at Loopfest, I was taking clock from the >AdrenaLinn. How the hell could they let a product out the door that >didn't even work with other products from the same company? Stupid. >Then they get all snippy with me when I criticize them. Again I ask the >question: How could they let a product out the door with an issue as deep >as this? The mind boggles. Didn't anyone at Electrix hook this thing to >a MoFX? The only reason I never said anything was because I'm always >using another clock and I figured this issue was being dealt with in OS >1.2. Oh well. They shipped about a year late, which indicates to me the whole project was much harder than they had thought it would be. (I could have told them that...loopers are really complicated to develop.) That long delay was likely causing them big losses, so they probably reached a point where they had to ship something or die. So they shipped with many bugs, as we all know. Also, many of the Repeater's weak points seem to be around real-time operation. Synchronization of loops is more difficult than it seems, and requires a tight, low-latency real time OS to do it well. I suspect there are some fundamental architecture problems in the Repeater that made real-time control very difficult for them. You can just feel that when you use it. When I opened mine up, I was amazed to see they were running the whole thing out of a single motorola dsp processor. Reasonable choice for all the dsp processing, but trying to do all the dsp plus the real-time issues of a looper ui, synchronization, midi, memory management, etc in that one dsp processor? wow, that's insane. It's no surprise to me they had so many problems with real-time stuff like sync. It may have even been impossible for them to fix some of the issues. Probably it was after many nights drowning their repeater sorrows at the local karaoke bar that they got inspired to change direction to karaoke. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 18:42:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08847; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:41:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:41:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:41:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater clock out. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020728133012.032eeb68@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <18C107AC-A27B-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 02:00 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > Probably it was after many nights drowning their repeater sorrows at > the local karaoke bar that they got inspired to change direction to > karaoke. > HA! Now that's funny. Interesting though to see that the Repeater's "issues" come from not just software, but hardware issues. I also feel like this list is a bit of a EDP club, and a lot of the Repeater's "issues" have been focused on more than they deserve. Sure, the Repeater's clock out is sketchy. I'm not sure how hard that would be to fix. I have no idea. However, is there anything that can chase clock out there like it can? In real time? Nope. Stereo? Nope. Real time pitch shifting? Uh-uh. Why not EDP, is your processor to puny? ;) A lot of people complain about the "bump" while recording a loop. I had to go out of my way to notice it. It's really slight, and only audible when there's pretty much nothing going on in your loop, but a straight drone. A lot of people complain about the latency. It's not that bad. Put it in the effects loop of a mixer and mute the dry signal, and I swear you'll never notice it. I'd trade it's slight latency for it's higher sound quality any day. A lot of people stay it's "awkward" to use live. After becoming used to the Repeater, I kind of feel the EDP is awkward to use. Depends on your mind set. The EDP seems to have SO many insert options that it's almost overwhelming. Depends on how you work. I like to work with more simple looping options, and concentrate on what I put into the loop. I know others like to really concentrate on the kind of "live editing" that Andre has made his style. I love to hear it, but I'm not sure that's "MY BAG." Regardless, I'm totally enjoying the EDP, and especially the combo of the two. So, why am I bothering to write this about a dead machine? Conceder it an epitaph. (your welcome Lisa) We could sit around and bash the Repeater for it's fault's until the cows come home, or we can marvel at what it does do that's totally unique in our world of looping. I guess if it does all that it does with one Motorola DSP chip, then it must be a marvel of engineering. I really think that it's "imperfections" had nothing to do with it's fall, and was more the victim of the deadly combo of bad marketing and shitty management. The fact that it has died, means we'll probably not see another stereo looper for a very long time, if ever. That, in my humble opinion, is a damn shame. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 20:24:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15034; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:24:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:24:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:23:47 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, In a message dated 7/27/02 12:24:09 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << most cool!.....thanks ted and mark.....michael >> I might ad that Michael Klobuchar took probably half of the photos. It was my camera, but I cannot take credit for all of the shots. Actually most of the really good ones were by Michael, not me. I did all of the funny processing though. He, he, he. I hope they get posted again. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 20:34:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15468; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:34:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:34:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c23697$84870d00$3363f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200207281816.OAA24185@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K2 Sounds and Video Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:33:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, It's going to be awhile before we have anything to put out from Y2K2 in terms of sound or video We can't edit anything, much less put it out, until I get all the artists to release their material. I have put the message out to everyone but have gotten back less than a third of the artist's responses in the past week. Y2K2 ARTISTS: PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF IT's OK TO PROCEED with putting this material out in some way, shape or form. yours, Rick PS Many thanks to Ted (for the photographs) and Mark (for all the work he did posting them on the really cool website he designed for us). This just makes me so proud of our looping community. I haven't felt such strong solidarity with a group of musicians since the first World Beat days in the early 80's.........Yeah, Us!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 22:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22665; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:11:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:11:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020728201147.00a13960@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:11:47 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Quick EDP Question... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey All, -just curious, -I've been thinking about purchasing an EDP of late. -Is the insert function similar to the replace function on the Repeater? -And, is there a comprehensive list of EDP functions or online manual I could browse for more info? Thanks bunches... smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 23:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27305; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:39:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:39:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020729033856.610.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:38:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Quick EDP Question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020728201147.00a13960@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CQ, There are a lot of echoplex links here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Including a link to the original echoplex manual in pdf form: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf and the loop 4 upgrade manual in pdf form: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/LoopIVGuide.pdf I'm in boulder if you have more questions email me. I met you a few years back at Rob's and we did some looping with a few other musicians in Longmont at Millers. member? It was the orignal loopapalooza :-) Rocky Mountain Way. Write me off list if you have echoplex questions or to plan the next loopfest in the rockies. bret --- Goddess wrote: > Hey All, -just curious, -I've been thinking about purchasing an EDP > of > late. -Is the insert function similar to the replace function on the > Repeater? -And, is there a comprehensive list of EDP functions or > online > manual I could browse for more info? Thanks bunches... > > smiles, > > CQ > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 28 23:57:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27950; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:56:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:56:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020729035553.36898.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Quick EDP Question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020728201147.00a13960@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This should get you to the LOOPIII & LOOPIV manuals... http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Insert can be set to act as a replace function; but, using it in "insert mode" inserts new material into the existing loop, making it a longer loop consisting of the old plus the new material. There is a whole lot of stuff that can be done with insert. You should do an archive search using "insert;kim" as the search words. Kim has written at length on this topic. I do believe it's his favorite feature of the EDP. I hope you get an EDP. I look forward to hearing the result. John --- Goddess wrote: > Hey All, -just curious, -I've been thinking about > purchasing an EDP of > late. -Is the insert function similar to the > replace function on the > Repeater? -And, is there a comprehensive list of > EDP functions or online > manual I could browse for more info? Thanks > bunches... > > smiles, > > CQ ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 00:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30866; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c236ba$b2b1aa00$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:45:00 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Ambient Ping is happy to announce that the "Ping Thing" has now been officially launched. This will be a weekly "boutique" of ambient and experimental music CDs and related products available each week at the Ping. This will be a source of hard-to-find music from the Toronto scene and artists from across the continent. Hosting the Ping Thing weekly will be rik maclean of Mara's Torment - a creative electronic musician himself and very knowledegable about the music presented. A big "THANKS" to rik for taking the initiative to get the Ping Thing launched over a month ahead of schedule. Artists interested in having their music sold through the Ping Thing can talk to rik at the Ping or at torment@corpusnet.com Drop by to buy CDs, have a cool microbrew, chat with rik and the Ping regulars & get a free live ambient/experimental music concert. ;o) See you there... Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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The Planet - http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Michael Keith - http://www.michaelkeith.com Andrew A http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/homepage.html Between Sets CD - "On The Sensations Of Tone" by Tom Heasley Just released on INNOVA, Heasley's second album of deep ambient space was improvised in the studio with tuba, throat singing, looper and treatments, without overdubs or edits. The result is both massive and meditative. Mastered by Robert Rich. (2002) http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 01:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00713; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020729050022.5637.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: edp + To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hmmmmm. Maybe I should have waited for the EDP+? One thing I do > notice > is that the fidelity of the EDP isn't as good as the Repeater. I use EDPs with many different sounds, across the frequency spectrum, transients, sustained sounds, and find that with proper input gain setting (appropriate to the source) that very clean hifi results can be obtained. I haven't tried the repeater, but have owned jammen, boomerang. Specifically what aspect of the fidelity of the EDP is inferior to the repeater, for example signal to noise, frequency responce, harmonic distortion, intermodulation distorion, hum, etc? What instruments or kind of sounds reveal this difference in fidelity between the edp and repeater? thanks, bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 01:45:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02263; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:44:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:44:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020728234439.0087dd50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:44:39 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Thanks to all... -was- quick EDP Question... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow!, you guys, thanks so much. -will definitely check out the great links. Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 03:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09546; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 03:28:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 03:28:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:28:22 -0700 Subject: Re: edp + Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020729050022.5637.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Bret wrote: > Specifically what aspect of the fidelity of the EDP is inferior to the > repeater, for example signal to noise, frequency response, harmonic > distortion, intermodulation distorion, hum, etc? seems to be a frequency response issue. The high frequencies are truncated. > > What instruments or kind of sounds reveal this difference in fidelity > between the edp and repeater? > Actually I've (so far) only looped my Bass guitar. It's a decent Steinberger, with active EMG pickups. Nice high end. I haven't tried it with anything else yet, mostly due to setup considerations. Not sure the best place to put the EDP. My guitar signal becomes stereo very quickly, and I use a lot of synth stuff too. I've set it up so that I have a separate mono bass setup, and use my EDP for that. (I know, BUY ANOTHER EDP!) Note, it's not GLARING. Better than the JamMan. I've just gotten used to the fidelity and the stereo sound of the Repeater, and I just hear a slight loss of "presence" with the EDP. Am I the only one who notices it? I'm not even listening to it on high end studio monitors. I'm using a pair of Mackie 450s, and I hear the difference for sure. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 05:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16019; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 05:42:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 05:42:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020729023643.030819f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 02:43:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp + In-Reply-To: References: <20020729050022.5637.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:28 AM 7/29/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Bret wrote: >>Specifically what aspect of the fidelity of the EDP is inferior to the >>repeater, for example signal to noise, frequency response, harmonic >>distortion, intermodulation distorion, hum, etc? > >seems to be a frequency response issue. The high frequencies are truncated. according to an audio precision meter, the -3db point should be about 19kHz if the gains are set correctly. That's pretty hard to hear. However, if you set the gain up wrong it could become worse. If the input is too high and you are engaging the limiter, it could interact with some other noise reduction filtering in the digital path to make a low-pass filter. Try adjusting the input gain and see if it makes a difference. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 10:15:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31505; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:12:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.211db437.2a76a705@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:11:17 EDT Subject: Re: Quick EDP Question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5EhqyC.A.brH.o0UR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com o goddess, >just curious, -I've been thinking about purchasing an EDP of >late. -Is the insert function similar to the replace function on the >Repeater? yes, but --- in a nutshell --- that's just the tiniest segment of edp/loop4's 'insert'-function-capability (when used as 'insert/replace'). of course, on the edp the functionality is quicker-reacting, *much* more rhythmically precise, can be a 'quantisable' function, etc etc..... all leading to a generally more spontaneous (and user-definable) interaction between player/instrument, imo..... and, the insert/substitute-function in loop4 is a nice new bit of slickness. have a peek at that manual, i'd say; the edp/repeater combination works pretty well for me..... in a pinch, though, i'd certainly choose the edp for its depth and performance capabilities..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 10:40:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32636; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:39:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:39:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D45535A.5080505@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:38:18 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick EDP Question... References: <20020729033856.610.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <25DbyB.A.c9H.EOVR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Being close to Boulder/Denver (and a frequent visitor) I would be very interested in a Rocky Mountain Loop event! Why should those coastal folks have all the fun? Keep us informed if and when something is in the works. -jas Albuquerque http://zebox.com/dimbulb Bret wrote: > >I'm in boulder if you have more questions email me. I met you a few >years back at Rob's and we did some looping with a few other musicians >in Longmont at Millers. member? It was the orignal loopapalooza :-) >Rocky Mountain Way. > >Write me off list if you have echoplex questions or to plan the next >loopfest in the rockies. > >bret > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 10:53:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00739; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:51:40 -0400 Subject: Pop using next loop ending with multiply... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear folks, My apologies if this has been mentioned... I just rejoined the list after being out of town for two weeks... Searched the archives, but came up with nada... I'm recording a loop, overdubbing, closing, triggering nextloop with autorecord on, ending with multiply in loop 2, and getting a pop. This is all done with an fcb1010, but is reproducible with the edp pedal as well... Can somebody contribute something on this one? I'm at a loss... Midi is not travelling through any other device, by the way... Thanks in advance as always, and best to all... Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 11:39:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03679; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:38:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:37:53 -0700 Subject: Re: edp + Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020729023643.030819f0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <25B82C4A-A309-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will experiment with that tonight. I am sure I probably don't hear up around 19K so well, but I do have pretty good hearing for an old guy. I've got the gain at 12, and I thought I was getting a healthy signal into the EDP. More importantly than range, how flat is the overall response? I know most gear can be pretty flat these days. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 02:43 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 12:28 AM 7/29/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Bret wrote: >>> Specifically what aspect of the fidelity of the EDP is inferior to the >>> repeater, for example signal to noise, frequency response, harmonic >>> distortion, intermodulation distorion, hum, etc? >> >> seems to be a frequency response issue. The high frequencies are >> truncated. > > according to an audio precision meter, the -3db point should be about > 19kHz if the gains are set correctly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 12:53:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08268; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:52:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020729165156.55240.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9FEED1C4-A18B-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Ted K was nice enough to take a ton of digital images and apply some > wacky fliters to a few. Rick Walker got a CD-ROM of those images to > me, > and I just posted them on the Y2K2 Loopfest site I did: > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html I get a 404 when attempting to load that page. Is it still available? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 13:33:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11789; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:33:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:33:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D457C17.ECE935C2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:32:08 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts References: <20020729165156.55240.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I took it down because there were some bad characters in the photo names. I re did them this morning, and reposted it, but I just checked and found that the transfer choaked for some reason. (serves me right for trying to do something before coffee!) I'll re post it tonight. Mark Greg House wrote: > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Ted K was nice enough to take a ton of digital images and apply some > > wacky fliters to a few. Rick Walker got a CD-ROM of those images to > > me, > > and I just posted them on the Y2K2 Loopfest site I did: > > > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html > > I get a 404 when attempting to load that page. Is it still available? > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 14:21:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15625; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:21:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:21:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D458689.AC8D3EEB@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:16:41 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pop using next loop ending with multiply... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Todd, I noticed this a handful of times towards the end of the beta testing, but I couldn't find a function sequence or parameter combination that would consistently reproduce it. Also, the specific string of events you mention - recording a loop, overdubbing, closing, triggering nextloop with autorecord on, ending with multiply in loop 2 - sounds a lot like what I do on a regular basis, without problem. And I haven't heard a pop from the thing for three months or more... Are you getting the pop every single time you do this? My suggestions: - Try alternate endings for Multiply in Loop 2 (overdub for instance) and see if that makes a difference. - If you have the time, try to jot down EVERY parameter setting you have when experiencing this. - Do a hard reset (power up while holding the parameter button down) to restore settings to default, and see if that solves it. Hmmmm..... Hope this helps, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 14:36:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16271; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c236fc$0c68d2d0$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: edp + Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:32:46 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8CStf.A.39D.AsYR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I just hear a slight loss of "presence" with the EDP" hmmm...aside from volume discrepancies, i can't tell a difference between live and looped guitar sounds. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 14:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17245; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:54:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:54:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020729113640.00ab2a70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:56:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp + In-Reply-To: <25B82C4A-A309-11D6-ABF4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020729023643.030819f0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:37 AM 7/29/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I will experiment with that tonight. I am sure I probably don't hear up >around 19K so well, but I do have pretty good hearing for an old guy. >I've got the gain at 12, and I thought I was getting a healthy signal into >the EDP. the problem would be a signal that was too healthy overloading the input and engaging the limiter. That can also have a low-pass effect. You may need to turn the input volume knob down a bit if that is the problem. >More importantly than range, how flat is the overall response? I know >most gear can be pretty flat these days. I don't remember the exact specs, but the digital path has a pretty typical flat response that all digital gear has. I believe the passband ripple is 0/-.2dB. The low-end rolloff point is well below 20hz. Between there and 19khz it would be flat within 0/-3db. But if you pull in a bit from the ends, it would be flat within 0/-.2dB (probably from 20Hz - 16Khz it would be flat within 0/-.2dB, but that's a guess because it has been a long time since I measured it.) like Bret said, if you have the gains set up right, you shouldn't hear any frequency problems. kim >On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 02:43 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >>At 12:28 AM 7/29/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> >>>On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Bret wrote: >>>>Specifically what aspect of the fidelity of the EDP is inferior to the >>>>repeater, for example signal to noise, frequency response, harmonic >>>>distortion, intermodulation distorion, hum, etc? >>> >>>seems to be a frequency response issue. The high frequencies are truncated. >> >>according to an audio precision meter, the -3db point should be about >>19kHz if the gains are set correctly. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 16:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25748; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:42:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:42:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: edp + Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:48:02 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020729113640.00ab2a70@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm measuring current and proposed units at the moment and I'll post some results when I'm confident that they're correct. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: 29 July 2002 19:56 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp + At 08:37 AM 7/29/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I will experiment with that tonight. I am sure I probably don't hear up >around 19K so well, but I do have pretty good hearing for an old guy. >I've got the gain at 12, and I thought I was getting a healthy signal into >the EDP. the problem would be a signal that was too healthy overloading the input and engaging the limiter. That can also have a low-pass effect. You may need to turn the input volume knob down a bit if that is the problem. >More importantly than range, how flat is the overall response? I know >most gear can be pretty flat these days. I don't remember the exact specs, but the digital path has a pretty typical flat response that all digital gear has. I believe the passband ripple is 0/-.2dB. The low-end rolloff point is well below 20hz. Between there and 19khz it would be flat within 0/-3db. But if you pull in a bit from the ends, it would be flat within 0/-.2dB (probably from 20Hz - 16Khz it would be flat within 0/-.2dB, but that's a guess because it has been a long time since I measured it.) like Bret said, if you have the gains set up right, you shouldn't hear any frequency problems. kim >On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 02:43 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >>At 12:28 AM 7/29/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> >>>On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Bret wrote: >>>>Specifically what aspect of the fidelity of the EDP is inferior to the >>>>repeater, for example signal to noise, frequency response, harmonic >>>>distortion, intermodulation distorion, hum, etc? >>> >>>seems to be a frequency response issue. The high frequencies are truncated. >> >>according to an audio precision meter, the -3db point should be about >>19kHz if the gains are set correctly. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 16:52:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26658; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:52:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:52:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: edp + Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:49:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2002 20:51:19.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[B08B5B40:01C23741] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any idea what the price difference will be ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ewen" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:48 PM Subject: RE: edp + > I'm measuring current and proposed units at the moment and I'll post some > results when I'm confident that they're correct. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: 29 July 2002 19:56 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: edp + > > At 08:37 AM 7/29/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >I will experiment with that tonight. I am sure I probably don't hear up > >around 19K so well, but I do have pretty good hearing for an old guy. > >I've got the gain at 12, and I thought I was getting a healthy signal into > >the EDP. > > the problem would be a signal that was too healthy overloading the input > and engaging the limiter. That can also have a low-pass effect. You may > need to turn the input volume knob down a bit if that is the problem. > > >More importantly than range, how flat is the overall response? I know > >most gear can be pretty flat these days. > > I don't remember the exact specs, but the digital path has a pretty typical > flat response that all digital gear has. I believe the passband ripple is > 0/-.2dB. The low-end rolloff point is well below 20hz. Between there and > 19khz it would be flat within 0/-3db. But if you pull in a bit from the > ends, it would be flat within 0/-.2dB (probably from 20Hz - 16Khz it would > be flat within 0/-.2dB, but that's a guess because it has been a long time > since I measured it.) > > like Bret said, if you have the gains set up right, you shouldn't hear any > frequency problems. > > kim > > >On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 02:43 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > > > >>At 12:28 AM 7/29/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> > >>>On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Bret wrote: > >>>>Specifically what aspect of the fidelity of the EDP is inferior to the > >>>>repeater, for example signal to noise, frequency response, harmonic > >>>>distortion, intermodulation distorion, hum, etc? > >>> > >>>seems to be a frequency response issue. The high frequencies are > truncated. > >> > >>according to an audio precision meter, the -3db point should be about > >>19kHz if the gains are set correctly. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 20:34:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10564; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:33:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D45DEB9.B2F77570@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:33:01 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp +(and unseated eproms) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AH HA! I bet that's it. I didn't know there was an on board limiter, but now that you mention it, that would totally explain the sound. That slight muddy tone you can get with a compressor sometimes. Lacking dynamics. Maybe I've got too hot a signal going into the EDP? We'll see. I didn't think I was seeing red lights, but the unit's up pretty high in my rig. Now I just have to reseat the eproms. I did the Hans method of giving it a little wack last time it went into a never ending Loop3 cycle, and it went right into the rest of the boot process. What gives? Is it the humidity of bonnie bonnie ol' England? I've *never* had this issue with another piece of gear, yet it seems to be a fairly common occurance with EDP owners. I wonder why? Is it the ZIF sockets they're using? Mark Sottilaro Andy Ewen wrote: > > the problem would be a signal that was too healthy overloading the input > and engaging the limiter. That can also have a low-pass effect. You may > need to turn the input volume knob down a bit if that is the problem. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 20:40:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10854; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:39:24 -0500 Subject: pcm-60/70...quick opinions, please Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've searched the archives, but didn't turn up what i was looking for. i'm looking for a unit to leave on all the time and i don't need really extensive parameter control. midi control in nice but not necessary. anybody using either of these units that would like to mail me off the list with some quick opinions? i would really appreciate it. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 21:01:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13141; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:00:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Pop using next loop ending with multiply... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D458689.AC8D3EEB@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks man. Just your thorough trouble-shooting is a learning experience. I reset the parameters to default, and so far, not a pop... Have no clue as to what it was... If it happens again, i'll let you know... With every parameter documented... Thanks again... If you've posted any other special insider beta tricks, please let me know... I've been away for awhile... Todd On 7/29/02 2:16 PM, "Andre LaFosse" wrote: > Hey there Todd, > > I noticed this a handful of times towards the end of the beta testing, > but I couldn't find a function sequence or parameter combination that > would consistently reproduce it. Also, the specific string of events > you mention - recording a loop, overdubbing, closing, triggering > nextloop with autorecord on, ending with multiply in loop 2 - sounds a > lot like what I do on a regular basis, without problem. And I haven't > heard a pop from the thing for three months or more... > > Are you getting the pop every single time you do this? > > My suggestions: > > - Try alternate endings for Multiply in Loop 2 (overdub for instance) > and see if that makes a difference. > > - If you have the time, try to jot down EVERY parameter setting you have > when experiencing this. > > - Do a hard reset (power up while holding the parameter button down) to > restore settings to default, and see if that solves it. > > Hmmmm..... > > Hope this helps, > > --Andre > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 29 22:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18136; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:13:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:13:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D45F57D.2A2AC7C4@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:10:06 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: August Bay Area EDP Clinics/Lessons? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8NqBiC.A._aE.6YfR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I'm going to be gigging in San Francisco on Thursday, August 22, and wanted to propose a couple of possibilities as far as potential EDP (and looping in general) style meetings around that time: 1) I thought it would be cool to try and arrange a sort of open session at Kim Flint's place in Oakland for the weekend of the 24th. The idea, to me, would be that people could stop in and ask questions, demonstrate things they've been working on, and generally work on the EDP in a group forum. It might be similar in some ways to the LoopIV party, but my main interest would be in having it set up like a hands-on Q and A session, and I'd like to see people spending time actually working EDP's and trying out different approaches to questions or issues they may have. I've just gotten confirmation of an EDP clinic here in LA (of all places) for Sunday, August 25. So if this sort of thing is to be done in the Bay Area, it would need to happen on Saturday the 24, fairly early in the afternoon, to give us enough time to do a comprehensive session and then let me get back to LA in time for my thing here the next day. What I'd like to suggest, then, would be something at Kim's, from 1:00 PM to 4:00 or so, or whenever people get utterly bored with things. If this will work for people, please drop a line to give some indication of how many folks we should plan for. If there's sufficient interest, I'd be up for doing something in Santa Cruz as well; given the way the schedule is currently unfolding, I think the best day/time to do that would be Friday evening, or else have it earlier in the week. If SC people are interested in this, let me know. In all cases, I'd like to treat these as open sessions for anyone who's interested - I don't think it needs to be an "EDP-only" club meeting. 2) The other possibility I had in mind was the idea of private one-on-one lessons with anyone who might be so inclined. Given my schedule for that week, this would have to happen sometime earlier on in the week, prior to the evening of the 22nd (although Friday the 23rd may end up being a possibility as well). Pretty much anywhere in the general Bay Area down to Santa Cruz or Silicon Valley would be fair game for me, potentially. I could figure out a rate based on driving distance from wherever I may be stationed at that time, as well as the proposed amount of time a person would like to spend in a lesson. So if anyone's interested in this, please get back to me ASAP, so I can start trying to figure out how to pull this off. Thanks, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 00:03:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26049; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:00:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c2377e$6f344a20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <3D45F57D.2A2AC7C4@earthlink.net> Subject: Training video? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:06:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4EASAD.A.vWG.h9gR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello happy world-loopers! It's been a while (two years+) since I've been following this Delightful list. Last weekend, I happened totally by chance on the Loop IV upgrade, and promtly ordered one all my EDP's. So I HAD to rejoin the list. If this has been done already, please forgive my ignorance, but has a training video ever been created? If not, does Loop IV offer a chance/reason to create one? Or perhaps something that can be placed on a website? That Adrenalinn web-demo does a nice job of whetting one's appetite! A DVD (with it's Chapter divisions) would be awesome. I'd pay $30-50 to see Andre, Kim or other looperphiles show me how to maximaize my EDP use. David Kirkdorffer UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 00:32:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27332; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:32:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4615ED.E1434C0F@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:28:30 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Training video? References: <3D45F57D.2A2AC7C4@earthlink.net> <005c01c2377e$6f344a20$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there David (welcome back!), For folks in general, here's the latest run-down on the EDP Video Plan, at least as far as I've been pursuing it: The basic idea at this point is to do a "bread and butter" EDP tutorial, which would probably be about an hour long (give or take). It would cover the main "front panel" functions and their different permutations, as well as a few "large scale" parameters (quantization, insertmodes, etc.) relevant to those main functions. This should be complemented by brief musical "pointers" into different ways the EDP can be used (i.e. live backing chords/vamps for soloing over, ambient soundscapes, glitchy IDM, etc.) so that people could not only get a sense of what the "bread and butter" functions of the unit are, but how they might be able to apply those functions in actual musical situations. This would all be relevant to and current for the EDP Plus and/or the LoopIV upgrade. The idea here is to offer this, at least in large part, free of charge, either as online streams or in conjunction with new EDP's or LoopIV upgrades. The main point of such a vid would be to get a good, basic understanding of the main architectural points of the EDP disseminated into the looping (and non-looping) world at large, and hopefully promote a good general understanding of just what all that "crazy Martian language" is actually about. A more advanced video, covering "deeper" and more complex function/parameter combinations, might well be put together down the road. The main priority right now is getting a general overview video assembled. Part of what I'm going to be doing during my Bay Area mini-tour in August is (trying to) film just such a thing. There's quite a bit of additional footage floating around - Loopstock, the LoopIV release party with Matthias and myself (and Kim!) doing some playing solo and duo (and me adding stuff into one of Kim's loops... not sure what you call that approach - tag-team glitch?), the Santa Cruz stuff, etc. Not sure how any of that might be disseminated yet, as it involves so many different people (and so many hours of stuff to sift through)... If anybody's got specific requests for things they want to see documented in a tutorial, drop a line and I'll see if it's something that could be worked in. Awreet, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 00:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28204; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <170.114fc026.2a7775cc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:53:32 EDT Subject: ages 5 and up To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I might tell you about another little "group"... I am looking to interact with Loopers that play BASS, w/ 5 or more strings... I have a yahoo group that has been very helpful in the multistring bass community and would love to see the participation of some of you fellow loopers! We have several notable mfg.'s and musicians in our group and we all have a sanctuary of information right at our finger tips... PASTE: multistringBASSIST-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 01:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30636; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:23:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:23:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 05:22:23 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1028006543 X-Sasl-enc: D/EHne2bk1s3xi+YoZYRGA Subject: your opinion Message-Id: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just put up a track and I'd like to know what you all think about it. It's on my ZeBOX page at http://zebox.com/schnack The track in question is "coda". It came about from some improvisations using my acoustic guitar and a DL4, and then I redid it using Cubase. The other 2 tracks aren't loop-based, but opinions are still welcome. thanks, Ernesto -- ernesto schnack (acoustic guitar)² http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - The way email should be... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 02:09:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01221; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:08:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:08:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:08:00 -0700 Subject: Guitar Work in or around SF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I bought a Sustainiac recently, and upon looking into the cavity of my Steinberger M series guitar (the one with the wood body), I'm thinking a little routing might be in order. Since I have no such tools, I started thinking about just leaving the whole mess up to a trained professional. Anyone know someone in the SF bay area that might be skilled in such matters? Thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 02:23:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01760; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020729232319.02509e20@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:25:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Guitar Work in or around SF In-Reply-To: References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Brawer's shop definitely fits the bill (in SF): http://www.brawer.com/ At 11:08 PM 2002/07/29, Mark wrote: >Hey gang, > >I bought a Sustainiac recently, and upon looking into the cavity of my >Steinberger M series guitar (the one with the wood body), I'm thinking a >little routing might be in order. Since I have no such tools, I started >thinking about just leaving the whole mess up to a trained >professional. Anyone know someone in the SF bay area that might be >skilled in such matters? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 02:28:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01991; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:27:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:27:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020730002811.007c0b00@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:28:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Quick EDP Question... In-Reply-To: <3D45535A.5080505@cabq.gov> References: <20020729033856.610.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <1ItPxB.A.ue.DHjR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jas, I definitely will. Feel free to drop me a note off-list as well. I just e-mailed Bret last night about such so we'll see what we can get happenin' K? I'm in the process of revamping my entire set-up for the FWLF (First Women's Looping Festival) so would really really really really love to get together with some other loopers and do a little fun jammy live thing to get the hang of the Repeaters -as I've just gotten them and am investigating wildly! lol! Anyway, thanks for the interest, and feel free to keep in touch, K? Laters, CQ At 08:38 AM 7/29/02 -0600, you wrote: > >Being close to Boulder/Denver (and a frequent visitor) I would >be very interested in a Rocky Mountain Loop event! > >Why should those coastal folks have all the fun? >Keep us informed if and when something is in the works. > >-jas >Albuquerque > >http://zebox.com/dimbulb > > >Bret wrote: > >> >>I'm in boulder if you have more questions email me. I met you a few >>years back at Rob's and we did some looping with a few other musicians >>in Longmont at Millers. member? It was the orignal loopapalooza :-) >>Rocky Mountain Way. >> >>Write me off list if you have echoplex questions or to plan the next >>loopfest in the rockies. >> >>bret >> > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 02:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02493; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:40:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:40:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:39:55 -0500 Subject: scott petito -- ambient bass music Resent-Message-ID: <2et7EC.A.cm.8SjR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody ever heard of SCOTT PETITO? we (wusm 88.5 fm) just got his latest cd in (sbass...) and it sounds a little loopy. it's all-bass for those bassloopers out there. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 04:58:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10430; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:57:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:57:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020730014827.0219a2f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:58:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp +(and unseated eproms) In-Reply-To: <3D45DEB9.B2F77570@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:33 PM 7/29/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Now I just have to reseat the eproms. I did the Hans method of giving it a >little wack last time it went into a never ending Loop3 cycle, and it went >right into the rest of the boot process. What gives? Is it the humidity of >bonnie bonnie ol' England? I've *never* had this issue with another piece of >gear, yet it seems to be a fairly common occurance with EDP owners. I wonder >why? Is it the ZIF sockets they're using? it's not just an EDP thing, its a pretty common problem with any electronics stuff that has connectors or sockets of some kind in it. They get a bit corroded or dirty over time, and the contacts don't mate correctly anymore. Since musicians take their gear to a lot of places, often involving cigarette smoke or going between night air and hot clubs, it is pretty common. pulling stuff out of sockets and putting it back will scrape through the goop and get the metal contacted to metal again. You'll see techs do this sort of thing as an early step in repairing something. What's strange in your case is the unit is new. Maybe it was sitting in a warehouse for a long time? Or took a really slow boat through the panama canal? who knows. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 06:16:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15404; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:15:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:16:44 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP MIDI Parameter Change Question From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207300609.CAA01280@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm having trouble getting my Roland XP-30 to change parameter sets on my EDP and was wondering if anyone could help. I've got 2 EDPs running Loop IV brother-synced together. I've got the MIDI out from the Roland going into one EDP's MIDI in; that EDP's MIDI through is going into the other EDP. It should be simple, right? From what I can make out in the manual, sending program change one should give me parameter set one; program change two should give me parameter set two. It' not working at all; in fact, I seem to be getting random display info (or possibly just stuff I'm not understanding ) with no change of parameter sets whatsoever. In fact, after I did this for a while, the EDPs were no longer responding to the pedals and I had to turn the EDPs off and on again and unplug and replug the pedals to make it all work again. Any advice? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 08:42:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22751; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c237c7$2b736e80$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <3D45F57D.2A2AC7C4@earthlink.net> <005c01c2377e$6f344a20$0affff0a@hppav> <3D4615ED.E1434C0F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Training video? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:46:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A section on "midi" function would be good: - joining two, three four... EDPs - if you show them how, maybe they'll buy more EDP's! - synchronizing to incoming time clocks -- perhaps someone with a drum machine..? - recording "actions" to a sequencer -- making your casio sound like a triton... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 08:46:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23109; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c237c7$d80c4ea0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP MIDI Parameter Change Question Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:51:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm having a similar issue. last weekend I midi connected a Korg AR to my edp pair -- my goal: to send time-clock info to the edp pair to loop sync. with the Korg's measure lengths. Korg Midi Out --> EDP1 Midi In --> EDP2 Midi In I set EDP1 & 2 to receive clock info. No worky. Ideas anyone?? David UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 12:01:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04715; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:59:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <17b.c0ecf15.2a7811d5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:59:17 EDT Subject: Re: Training video? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17b.c0ecf15.2a7811d5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <6mSCGD.A.jJB.afrR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17b.c0ecf15.2a7811d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/30/02 8:41:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes: > making your casio sound like a > triton... > what a dream!.....im afraid you would have to kill the duck.....michael --part1_17b.c0ecf15.2a7811d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/30/02 8:41:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes:


making your casio sound like a
triton...


what a dream!.....im afraid you would have to kill the duck.....michael --part1_17b.c0ecf15.2a7811d5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 12:22:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05923; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:21:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:28:03 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: drum machine museum SF weekly article To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007101c237e6$13c55360$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01C237AB.673D4880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020727063751.00a76610@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C237AB.673D4880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We (panbobo) did the saturday show with Wobbly. Mickey runs a cool = shop. He had 4 cameras feeding him live and he mixed real time and = burned to video CD. Guests could walk out of the show with the whole = performance on video CD. very fun. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Heasley=20 To: Loopers Delight List=20 Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:40 AM Subject: drum machine museum SF weekly article Especially for Hans... http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2002-07-24/music.html/1/index.html Tom ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C237AB.673D4880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We (panbobo) did the saturday show with = Wobbly.  Mickey runs a cool shop.  He had 4 cameras feeding = him live=20 and he mixed real time and burned to video CD.  Guests could walk = out of=20 the show with the whole performance on video CD.  very = fun.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Heasley=20
To: Loopers Delight = List=20
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 = 6:40=20 AM
Subject: drum machine museum SF = weekly=20 article

Especially for = Hans...

http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2002-07-24/music.html/1= /index.html

Tom

------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C237AB.673D4880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 12:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06300; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:26:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:33:18 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: gator cases - anyone used them ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a101c237e6$d1d072e0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01C237AC.23833860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C237AC.23833860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just had an annoying one. bought a two unit ATA; was definitely = cheaper than SKB and just as well made. IN fact, mine has a lock and = the SKB did not=20 Only problem was that the rack screws have to attach to a bar in the = back of the holes and it is not affixed to the unthreaded holes, which = when trying to install a two unit amp in the two unit box was a real = pain in the arse. Had to stand on my head, tape the thing to the back = of the row of unthreaded holes..... Fortunately, I'm never taking the amp out so once it was in, it's fine. I guess I could have used those "spongy" clips like SKB, but use of = something other than spongy clips was sold as a "feature" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: one less than none=20 To: Loopers Delight mailing list=20 Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:55 AM Subject: gator cases - anyone used them ? http://www.gatorcases.com/ prices look good I was particularly interested in the shock racks as I find the extra space handy for air circulation and running the = odd cable anyone got any experience with them??? thanks David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C237AC.23833860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just had an annoying one.  = bought a two unit=20 ATA; was definitely cheaper than SKB and just as well made.  IN = fact, mine=20 has a lock and the SKB did not
 
Only problem was that the rack screws = have to=20 attach to a bar in the back of the holes and it is not affixed to the = unthreaded=20 holes, which when trying to install a two unit amp in the two unit box = was a=20 real pain in the arse.  Had to stand on my head, tape the thing to = the back=20 of the row of unthreaded holes.....
 
Fortunately, I'm never taking the amp = out so once=20 it was in, it's fine.
 
I guess I could have used those = "spongy" clips like=20 SKB, but use of something other than spongy clips was sold as a=20 "feature"
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 one less than none =
To: Loopers Delight = mailing=20 list
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 = 3:55 AM
Subject: gator cases - anyone = used them=20 ?

http://www.gatorcases.com/=
 
prices look good
I was particularly interested in = the shock=20 racks
as I find the extra space handy for = air=20 circulation and running the odd cable
 
anyone got any experience with=20 them???
 
thanks
 
David Swain
 
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
= www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C237AC.23833860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 12:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20165; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:52:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <197.a921201.2a781dea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:50:50 EDT Subject: Re: Guitar Work in or around SF To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 7/29/02 11:23:17 PM, sean_@mindspring.com writes: << Gary Brawer's shop definitely fits the bill (in SF):>> << http://www.brawer.com/>> I can definitely second the recommendation of Gary. If he's not too busy to take on the work. He's a VERY in demand guy. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 12:57:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20568; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:56:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:56:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020730165623.56706.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Quick EDP Question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, jfink@cabq.gov In-Reply-To: <3D45535A.5080505@cabq.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason, Thanks for writing. We will defininately let you know when we setup another loop event in Boulder. Meanwhile, if you visit boulder/denver sooner, let us know and perhaps we can meet. Anymore loopers in Colorado or surrounding states, please write if you're interested in a loopfest near Boulder. thanks, bret --- Jason Fink <jfink@cabq.gov> wrote: > > Being close to Boulder/Denver (and a frequent visitor) I would > be very interested in a Rocky Mountain Loop event! > > Why should those coastal folks have all the fun? > Keep us informed if and when something is in the works. > > -jas > Albuquerque > > http://zebox.com/dimbulb > > > Bret wrote: > > > > >I'm in boulder if you have more questions email me. I met you a few > >years back at Rob's and we did some looping with a few other > musicians > >in Longmont at Millers. member? It was the orignal loopapalooza :-) > >Rocky Mountain Way. > > > >Write me off list if you have echoplex questions or to plan the next > >loopfest in the rockies. > > > >bret > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 13:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23141; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D46C918.F36F41B0@bagend.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:12:56 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gator cases - anyone used them ? References: <00a101c237e6$d1d072e0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To Anthony Justman- what you need are called Tinnerman #10-32 clip on nuts. The standard fastener for unthreaded rack rail. What you also need is to set your email editor to plain text so your original msg is copied into the reply ;) -henry ---------------------------------------------------------- I just had an annoying one. bought a two unit ATA; was definitely cheaper than SKB and just as well made. IN fact, mine has a lock and the SKB did not Only problem was that the rack screws have to attach to a bar in the back of the holes and it is not affixed to the unthreaded holes, which when trying to install a two unit amp in the two unit box was a real pain in the arse. Had to stand on my head, tape the thing to the back of the row of unthreaded holes..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 13:27:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24142; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <19a.61ced40.2a78261f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:25:51 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I noticed that the pix are back up again (most of them anyway). Thanks for doing that for all of us. I bet it's the darned "&" in some of the file names that is messing up the few remaining links. I might add that if anyone wants I can email hi-res JPEGs of specific images to whomever wants them. I can't e-mail all of them though. It'd take too long. If you Y2K2 artists want copies of better resolution versions of these things let me know. Pick out a few and I can try to send them. I've kept an archive. Thanks again to Rick, Pete and Linda for putting the event on, and to Michael Klobuchar for taking most of the really "good" pictures, and to Mark Sottilaro for putting them up on the web. Wow! You guys are great! Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 13:35:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24744; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020730103204.02fd72e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:36:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP MIDI Parameter Change Question In-Reply-To: References: <200207300609.CAA01280@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have you actually saved presets first, using the preset editor? (described in the manual). and can you change them from the front panel control? until you have saved a preset, LoopIV acts like the feature doesn't exist and won't respond to program change messages. This is so people don't change the presets by accident before they understand how it works, and then wonder why their parameters changed on them. kim At 03:16 AM 7/30/2002, Steve Sandberg wrote: >I'm having trouble getting my Roland XP-30 to change parameter sets on my >EDP and was wondering if anyone could help. >I've got 2 EDPs running Loop IV brother-synced together. I've got the MIDI >out from the Roland going into one EDP's MIDI in; that EDP's MIDI through is >going into the other EDP. It should be simple, right? From what I can make >out in the manual, sending program change one should give me parameter set >one; program change two should give me parameter set two. It' not working >at all; in fact, I seem to be getting random display info (or possibly just >stuff I'm not understanding ) with no change of parameter sets whatsoever. >In fact, after I did this for a while, the EDPs were no longer responding to >the pedals and I had to turn the EDPs off and on again and unplug and replug >the pedals to make it all work again. Any advice? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 13:37:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25044; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020730103658.02202320@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:38:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP MIDI Parameter Change Question In-Reply-To: <009f01c237c7$d80c4ea0$0affff0a@hppav> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:51 AM 7/30/2002, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >I'm having a similar issue. sounds like a totally different issue to me.... >last weekend I midi connected a Korg AR to my edp pair -- my goal: to send >time-clock info to the edp pair to loop sync. with the Korg's measure >lengths. > >Korg Midi Out --> EDP1 Midi In --> EDP2 Midi In > >I set EDP1 & 2 to receive clock info. do you see the sync LED blinking on the echoplex when you turn the clock on? maybe the clock isn't getting there at all. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 14:15:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29222; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:14:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:14:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D46D74C.19149479@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:13:33 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K2 loop picts References: <19a.61ced40.2a78261f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I can't believe I missed those "&" characters. D'oh. I keep trying to do this in the morning before work while I'm drinking tea. That will teach me to do something before caffeen. Anyway, what's there is there now, and hopefully I'll get my act together and fix the rest. Mark ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Mark, > > I noticed that the pix are back up again (most of them anyway). > Thanks for doing that for all of us. I bet it's the darned "&" in > some of the file names that is messing up the few remaining links. > > I might add that if anyone wants I can email hi-res JPEGs of specific > images to whomever wants them. I can't e-mail all of them though. > It'd take too long. If you Y2K2 artists want copies of better resolution > versions of these things let me know. Pick out a few and I can try to > send them. I've kept an archive. > > Thanks again to Rick, Pete and Linda for putting the event on, > and to Michael Klobuchar for taking most of the really "good" > pictures, and to Mark Sottilaro for putting them up on the web. > Wow! You guys are great! > > Best, > > Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 14:18:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29669; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:17:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:17:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D46D820.6E00A735@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:17:04 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: your opinion References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great work Ernesto! Nice to hear acoustic looping for a change. Seems that so many of us are electronic based. Mark Sottilaro ernesto schnack wrote: > I just put up a track and I'd like to know what you all think about it. > It's on my ZeBOX page at http://zebox.com/schnack The track in > question is "coda". It came about from some improvisations using my > acoustic guitar and a DL4, and then I redid it using Cubase. The other > 2 tracks aren't loop-based, but opinions are still welcome. > > thanks, > Ernesto > > -- > ernesto schnack > (acoustic guitar)2 > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm - The way email should be... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 14:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30740; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:37:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:37:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:37:17 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: your opinion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <023701c237f8$21ea8570$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bravo! totally nipple. when you say you redid this using cubase, do you mean you didn't use the dl4 or other looper to record it? what was your approach then? sample your loops, sequence them, then record overdubs etc? > I just put up a track and I'd like to know what you all think about it. > It's on my ZeBOX page at http://zebox.com/schnack The track in > question is "coda". It came about from some improvisations using my > acoustic guitar and a DL4, and then I redid it using Cubase. The other > 2 tracks aren't loop-based, but opinions are still welcome. > > thanks, > Ernesto > > -- > ernesto schnack > (acoustic guitar)² > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm - The way email should be... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 15:07:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01912; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:06:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:06:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:06:11 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Riverside CA gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA01873 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got my looper working right now, actually I have two, one on my Orville and another one in Max on my laptop. So here we go. Cheers A Upcoming Events at The Undergrind: Wednesday, July 31st Improvising Images (Sound and Visual Projections) David Horvitz (member of UCR Improv and Gamelan Ensemble) www.freedomphotography.org Digital Cutup Lounge West (John von Seggern and Andrew Pask) el clon , with visual projections by clov Renée Coulombe Production begins at 7pm Donations Welcomed! Wednesday, August 14th Writing Workshop: Forum for active community writers/editors Workshop hosted by Alaska/ Annie Knight/ Angela Chaos More TBA Project begins at 7pm Donations Welcomed! Friday, August 30th Dogs of Ire Record Release Show/ Art Opening With guests : Piano Drag In Opposition The GoodBoys Angela Chaos (reading from her book ³Curioser and Curioser²) Alaska (Spoken Word) Artists TBA Show Starts at 8:30pm $1 Saturday, August 31st Stereotypewriters More TBA Show Begins at 8pm Donations Welcomed! 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Any other types of accepted donations will be specified. *For a calendar of local events and discussion, please visit www.9250x.com. *For a program list of the community radio station's music formats, public affair shows and other news, please visit www.kucr.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 15:17:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02378; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:14:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:14:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <14d.11999bda.2a783f63@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:13:39 EDT Subject: Re: your opinion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com es, i enjoyed that piece (coda), though i didn't really understand the d'n'b reference. from your descriptions of yer own pieces, i'd probably most appreciate 'quasimodo's thump' (re: the 'middle eastern tinge'). best, dt / splattercell >I just put up a track and I'd like to know what you all think about it. > > It's on my ZeBOX page at http://zebox.com/schnack The track in > >question is "coda". It came about from some improvisations using my > >acoustic guitar and a DL4, and then I redid it using Cubase. The other > >2 tracks aren't loop-based, but opinions are still welcome. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 15:53:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06168; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:52:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:52:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: your opinion Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:51:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2002 19:51:27.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E3F4180:01C23802] Resent-Message-ID: <8w427D.A.6fB.e5uR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very nice! that an ebow playing the solo part? >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: your opinion >Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:17:04 -0700 > >Great work Ernesto! Nice to hear acoustic looping for a change. Seems >that so many of us are electronic based. > >Mark Sottilaro > >ernesto schnack wrote: > > > I just put up a track and I'd like to know what you all think about it. > > It's on my ZeBOX page at http://zebox.com/schnack The track in > > question is "coda". It came about from some improvisations using my > > acoustic guitar and a DL4, and then I redid it using Cubase. The other > > 2 tracks aren't loop-based, but opinions are still welcome. > > > > thanks, > > Ernesto > > > > -- > > ernesto schnack > > (acoustic guitar)2 > > http://schnack.does.it > > > > -- > > http://fastmail.fm - The way email should be... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 16:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08575; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:22:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:23:07 -0400 Subject: Re:lEDP MIDI parameter change question From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207301907.PAA01976@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3110890987_569756_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3110890987_569756_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit have you actually saved presets first, using the preset editor? (described in the manual). and can you change them from the front panel control? Yes to both questions above. --MS_Mac_OE_3110890987_569756_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:lEDP MIDI parameter change question
have you actually saved pr= esets first, using the preset editor? (described
in the manual). and can you change them from the front panel control?
Yes to both questions above.

 --MS_Mac_OE_3110890987_569756_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 17:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17415; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:48:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:48:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:47:13 -0700 Subject: OT: Eventide H3500 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone with an Eventide H3500 or equivalent. I'm having a heck of a time getting a decent signal from my Mesa/Boogie Nomad 45 f/x loop, to the Eventide. I reallllly have to crank it up just to get a low signal showing up at the H3500. It is the first box in a chain that consists of; Nomad-send Eventide Ch 1 in D-Two Delay Echoplex Nomad-return Anyone have good tips on hooking up to the Eventide? Thanks! -Greg ----------------------------------------------- Greg Kucharo www.mutantaudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 18:26:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20418; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:25:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c237e5$44979b20$0ff8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Eventide H3500 question Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:22:14 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try the setup page and increase the input/output. within specific patches, try lowering compression, increasing gain, etc. oh, and make sure your connecting cables are proper. everything should be +4db, i think. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 18:36:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20942; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:32:41 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: Eventide H3500 question In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <0MbMDC.A.0GF.SSxR9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:47 PM -0700 7/30/02, Greg Kucharo wrote: >I'm having a heck of a time getting a decent signal from my >Mesa/Boogie Nomad 45 f/x loop, to the Eventide. I reallllly have to >crank it up just to get a low signal showing up at the H3500. The Eventide prefers line-level signals. The best you can do is to set the Input Level to 0 dB and trim down the Output Level accordingly. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 18:50:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23386; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:49:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:49:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:48:30 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_OT:_Eventide_H3500_question?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 204.176.90.245 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA23270 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Greg a few tips from the factory: INSTRUMENT/LINE levels are selectable ONLY INSIDE THE UNIT. UNPLUG power then open top cover. The manual shows you how to set 2 jumpers to get line level vs. instrument level. The amp should have a decent line level send, hopefully. Also you should have a Y cord feeding both inputs, since algorithms can be very difeerent input-wise. When using "old" dsp technology, the best results come from setups with splitters/mixers; they help a lot to keep levels hot and clean. Eventide has a Customer Support/Forum on Yahoo groups. Join it at EVENTIDE HELPS : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ best regards Italo De Angelis > Anyone with an Eventide H3500 or equivalent. > > I'm having a heck of a time getting a decent signal from my > Mesa/Boogie Nomad 45 f/x loop, to the Eventide. I reallllly have to > crank it up just to get a low signal showing up at the H3500. It is th e > first box in a chain that consists of; > > Nomad-send > Eventide Ch 1 in > D-Two Delay > Echoplex > Nomad-return > > Anyone have good tips on hooking up to the Eventide? > > Thanks! > -Greg > > > ----------------------------------------------- > Greg Kucharo > www.mutantaudio.com > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 19:51:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28320; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:45:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:45:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:36:33 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: Eventide H3500 question In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:48 AM +0200 7/31/02, Italo De Angelis wrote: >Also you should have a Y cord feeding both inputs, since algorithms can >be very difeerent input-wise. This is a VERY important point! I normally feed both inputs of my H3000, using a Y cord as Italo suggests. Many algorithms use the Left input only 100 Diatonic Shift Left only 101 Layered Shift Left only 102 Dual Shift Left & Right independent 103 Stereo Shift Left & Right stereo 104 Reverse Shift Left only 105 Swept Combs Left only or Left & Right stereo (selectable) 106 Swept Reverb Left & Right stereo 107 Reverb Factory Left only 108 Ultra Tap Left only or Left + Right summed (selectable) 109 Long Digiplex Left only 110 Dual Digiplex Left only or Left & Right independent (selectable) 111 Patch Factory Left only 112 Stutter Left + Right summed 113 Time Squeeze Left & Right stereo 114 Dense Room Left only 115 Vocoder Left for Carrier & Right for Program signal 116 Multi-Shift Left & Right independent 117 Band Delay Left + Right summed 118 String Modeller Left only 119 Phaser Left only 120 Studio Sampler Left only or Left & Right stereo 121 Studio Sampler Left only or Left & Right stereo 122 mod factory|one Left & Right independent 123 mod factory|two Left & Right independent -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 21:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03372; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Electrix MO-Fx Message-ID: <1028078610.3d473c12b2ab7@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:23:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com beautiful nearly-new-in-box MO-Fx for $150. bought it. realised the distortion was nice, flanging nice, tremelulant nice, delay nice. knobs nice, but the paralell routing is not for me. all i feel like using this for is a delay, and i have a TSR-24 to do that. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 21:30:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03606; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:29:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c23832$8047bae0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020730103658.02202320@loopers-delight.com> Subject: synchronizing 2 edps' to external clock Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:35:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes - I saw the blinking lights (!) I'm going to have to reset both machines and start from scratch I guess. Question. What should I set first: 1) edp brother/sync. or 2) Slave to external From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 22:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08173; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:51:20 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Eventide H3500 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <649B4E75-A430-11D6-A8AA-0003937B76DC@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for all the tips guys. I picked up a Y cable, but it didn't have much effect on getting a stronger signal to the box. I'm going to try and reconfiguring the jumpers next.. On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 04:36 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 12:48 AM +0200 7/31/02, Italo De Angelis wrote: >> Also you should have a Y cord feeding both inputs, since algorithms can >> be very difeerent input-wise. > > This is a VERY important point! I normally feed both inputs of my > H3000, using a Y cord as Italo suggests. Many algorithms use the Left > input only > > 100 Diatonic Shift Left only > 101 Layered Shift Left only > 102 Dual Shift Left & Right independent > 103 Stereo Shift Left & Right stereo > 104 Reverse Shift Left only > 105 Swept Combs Left only or Left & Right stereo (selectable) > 106 Swept Reverb Left & Right stereo > 107 Reverb Factory Left only > 108 Ultra Tap Left only or Left + Right summed (selectable) > 109 Long Digiplex Left only > 110 Dual Digiplex Left only or Left & Right independent (selectable) > 111 Patch Factory Left only > 112 Stutter Left + Right summed > 113 Time Squeeze Left & Right stereo > 114 Dense Room Left only > 115 Vocoder Left for Carrier & Right for Program signal > 116 Multi-Shift Left & Right independent > 117 Band Delay Left + Right summed > 118 String Modeller Left only > 119 Phaser Left only > 120 Studio Sampler Left only or Left & Right stereo > 121 Studio Sampler Left only or Left & Right stereo > 122 mod factory|one Left & Right independent > 123 mod factory|two Left & Right independent > > > -- > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > --------------------------------------------- Greg Kucharo www.mutantaudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 23:04:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09863; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:04:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:04:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:04:47 -0500 Subject: EH 16 second delay From: dana shearin To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know where i can get one, or something that does the same thing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 23:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10635; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:20:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:20:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:19:54 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Eventide H3500 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <649B4E75-A430-11D6-A8AA-0003937B76DC@mac.com> Message-Id: <6234F706-A434-11D6-A8AA-0003937B76DC@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Moving the jumpers to -10 did the trick. So, the Nomad 45 effects loop is on the low powered side I guess. On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 07:51 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > Thanks for all the tips guys. I picked up a Y cable, but it didn't > have much effect on getting a stronger signal to the box. I'm going to > try and reconfiguring the jumpers next.. > > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 04:36 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > >> At 12:48 AM +0200 7/31/02, Italo De Angelis wrote: >>> Also you should have a Y cord feeding both inputs, since algorithms >>> can >>> be very difeerent input-wise. >> >> This is a VERY important point! I normally feed both inputs of my >> H3000, using a Y cord as Italo suggests. Many algorithms use the Left >> input only >> >> 100 Diatonic Shift Left only >> 101 Layered Shift Left only >> 102 Dual Shift Left & Right independent >> 103 Stereo Shift Left & Right stereo >> 104 Reverse Shift Left only >> 105 Swept Combs Left only or Left & Right stereo (selectable) >> 106 Swept Reverb Left & Right stereo >> 107 Reverb Factory Left only >> 108 Ultra Tap Left only or Left + Right summed (selectable) >> 109 Long Digiplex Left only >> 110 Dual Digiplex Left only or Left & Right independent (selectable) >> 111 Patch Factory Left only >> 112 Stutter Left + Right summed >> 113 Time Squeeze Left & Right stereo >> 114 Dense Room Left only >> 115 Vocoder Left for Carrier & Right for Program signal >> 116 Multi-Shift Left & Right independent >> 117 Band Delay Left + Right summed >> 118 String Modeller Left only >> 119 Phaser Left only >> 120 Studio Sampler Left only or Left & Right stereo >> 121 Studio Sampler Left only or Left & Right stereo >> 122 mod factory|one Left & Right independent >> 123 mod factory|two Left & Right independent >> >> >> -- >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://RZCybernetics.com >> http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >> http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz >> >> --------------------------------------------- Greg Kucharo www.mutantaudio.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 23:25:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10941; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:25:22 -0500 Subject: digitech rds From: dana shearin To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do any of the digitech rds units do the same thing as the pds 8000 (echo+plus)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 23:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10953; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:25:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:25:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.61dd875.2a78b25d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:24:13 EDT Subject: Gig Spam Austin, Texas To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Crevice will be performing at the "The Texas Psych Fest" Sunday, August the 4th at "Room 710" 710 Red River Street. "Down Home" looping galore!! More info at: http://www.soundexchangehouston.com/ See ya' all there. James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 23:41:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11946; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:39:58 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1028086798 X-Sasl-enc: d3rsqyJ3/wml1QKLtZ3Mww Subject: Re: your opinion Message-Id: <20020731033958.B92D46D9EC@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:37:17 -0500, "jim palmer" said: > bravo! > totally nipple. > thank you, glad you liked it. > when you say you redid this using cubase, do you > mean you didn't use the dl4 or other looper to record it? yes, i recorded everything seperately into cubase, and cut up loops so I could arrange it and fine-tune the different sounds. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack (acoustic guitar)² http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - Sent .0000002 seconds ago From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 30 23:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12117; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:43:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:43:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:43:00 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1028086980 X-Sasl-enc: ULU0TWkGB/RbEH8dyz0tyg Subject: Re: your opinion Message-Id: <20020731034300.D31906DA24@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: <5a8pmD.A.G9C.Oz1R9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I consider the drum-beat to be a basic drum n' bass beat..or I'm a just delusional? Oh well, thank you for the compliment, if I upload quasimodo I'll let you know. Ernesto On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:13:39 EDT, Hedewa7@aol.com said: > es, > i enjoyed that piece (coda), though i didn't really understand the > d'n'b > reference. > from your descriptions of yer own pieces, i'd probably most appreciate > 'quasimodo's thump' (re: the 'middle eastern tinge'). > best, > dt / splattercell > -- ernesto schnack (acoustic guitar)² http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm/ - A fast, anti-spam email service. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 00:16:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15226; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:15:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:15:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020730221616.0088bc60@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:16:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: digitech rds In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The RDS-8000 does the same thing with some extra effects as well... Smiles, CQ At 10:25 PM 7/30/02 -0500, you wrote: >Do any of the digitech rds units do the same thing as the pds 8000 >(echo+plus)? > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 02:37:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22571; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:36:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:36:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:35:08 -0700 Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where does one start? My guess is that for bang for the buck, (250US) the Line6 DL4 (delay modeler) will do the trick, plus a really nice looping section. Gone, but perhaps still available, the Electrix Repeater. (499US) No delay mode, just pure looping with pitch and time shifting. CFC memory will get you a lot of loop time, but each loop has an 8 minute max. Memory is non volatile. Can be transfered easily to your computer with a USB CFC reader. Loops can be stereo or four tracked. Company just folded, but the parent company (IVL) is having another of it's subsidiaries (TC-Halion) do warrantee service. Then there's the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. 198 sec of loop or mono delay madness. It slices, it dices. Up to 9 loops at a time. I just bought one and I can barely imagine all the functions of this bad boy. Stay on this list for a while, and you'll hear a whole lot about this one. You're best bet it to go to the Looper's Delight page and click on "Tools" There's a ton of info to get you started. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 08:04 PM, dana shearin wrote: > Does anyone know where i can get one, or something that does the same > thing? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 02:50:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23305; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:49:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:49:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Y2K2 loop picts Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:49:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D46D74C.19149479@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest wow. looks like a fun event. (a few images are still missing.) = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 03:27:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27931; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:25:37 -0800 Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heh heh heh-nice try mark...*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely relates to the soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a one of a kind animal.they are impossible to find. i love mine more and more everyday-i am so sorry that at 'y2k2' while i planned on an excursion using that box i never got to it for whatever reason...;o( s > Where does one start? My guess is that for bang for the buck, (250US) > the Line6 DL4 (delay modeler) will do the trick, plus a really nice > looping section. > > Gone, but perhaps still available, the Electrix Repeater. (499US) No > delay mode, just pure looping with pitch and time shifting. CFC memory > will get you a lot of loop time, but each loop has an 8 minute max. > Memory is non volatile. Can be transfered easily to your computer with > a USB CFC reader. Loops can be stereo or four tracked. Company just > folded, but the parent company (IVL) is having another of it's > subsidiaries (TC-Halion) do warrantee service. > > Then there's the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. 198 sec of loop or mono > delay madness. It slices, it dices. Up to 9 loops at a time. I just > bought one and I can barely imagine all the functions of this bad boy. > Stay on this list for a while, and you'll hear a whole lot about this > one. > > You're best bet it to go to the Looper's Delight page and click on > "Tools" There's a ton of info to get you started. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 08:04 PM, dana shearin wrote: > >> Does anyone know where i can get one, or something that does the same >> thing? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 03:57:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29155; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:56:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:56:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020731004601.00ab3af8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:56:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:lEDP MIDI parameter change question In-Reply-To: References: <200207301907.PAA01976@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm, well I guess you probably are also sending the program change commands on the same midi channel the echoplex is set to, and the midi out of your controller is connected to the midi in of the edp. never hurts to check though. are you sure your midi controller is really sending program change messages and not something else? (does it work controlling other devices?) if you have presets saved, when you send program change 1 you see "P 1" on the display, program change 2 is "P 2" etc. Does that happen? kim At 01:23 PM 7/30/2002, you wrote: >have you actually saved presets first, using the preset editor? (described >in the manual). and can you change them from the front panel control? >Yes to both questions above. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 04:03:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30736; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:02:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020731005858.0232ff18@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:04:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: synchronizing 2 edps' to external clock In-Reply-To: <005b01c23832$8047bae0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020730103658.02202320@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3YpJfC.A.DgH.Wm5R9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:35 PM 7/30/2002, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Yes - I saw the blinking lights (!) > >I'm going to have to reset both machines and start from scratch I guess. > >Question. What should I set first: > > 1) edp brother/sync. > or > 2) Slave to external are you trying to run these as a stereo pair with midi clock in? then set it up like this: - connect the TRS cable between the BrotherSync jacks of each unit - Connect midi out of clock source to midi in of master EDP - Connect midi out of master EDP to midi in of slave EDP - set Sync parameter to In I guess you are still using LoopIII. (your LoopIV is in the mail.) Sync is easier with LoopIV, you might want to just jump right into that when you get it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 05:33:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02374; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:32:30 +0200 Subject: Mains Filters... do they work? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020731005858.0232ff18@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <6F7A7C86-A468-11D6-91B2-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm trying to find a unit that will clean up any mains interference/noise on the circuit at home (I live in a small apartment, with lots of gadgets like neighbours fridges making strange random noises). Has anyone had any experience with units like this? Do they work? Just a random question :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 07:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08441; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:12:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:12:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:13:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #499 From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207310933.FAA02417@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3110944402_58666_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3110944402_58666_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hmm, well I guess you probably are also sending the program change commands on the same midi channel the echoplex is set to, and the midi out of your controller is connected to the midi in of the edp. never hurts to check though. Yes to both -- are you sure your midi controller is really sending program change messages and not something else? (does it work controlling other devices?) Yes, it works controlling other devices. if you have presets saved, when you send program change 1 you see "P 1" on the display, program change 2 is "P 2" etc. Does that happen? This happens when I change parameter sets from the front panel, but nothing happens when I try to do it through MIDI. I even tried taking out the brother sync cable to see if that was messing it up -- no difference. --MS_Mac_OE_3110944402_58666_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #499 hmm, well I guess you probably are als= o sending the program change commands
on the same midi channel the echoplex is set to, and the midi out of your <= BR> controller is connected to the midi in of the edp. never hurts to check tho= ugh.
Yes to both --

are you sure your midi controller is really sending p= rogram change messages
and not something else? (does it work controlling other devices?)
Yes, it works controlling other devices.

if you have presets saved, when you send program chan= ge 1 you see "P 1" on
the display,= program change 2 is "P 2" etc. Does that happen?
This happens when I change parameter sets from the front panel, but = nothing happens when I try to do it through MIDI.

I even tried taking out the brother sync cable to see if that was messing i= t up -- no difference.
--MS_Mac_OE_3110944402_58666_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 09:15:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15267; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:15:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:15:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <59.1f1cf7d5.2a793c99@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:14:01 EDT Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stan said, >heh heh heh-nice try mark...*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely relates >to the soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a one >of >a kind animal. disagree, here: the lexicon pcm42 (not-to-mention ---though i will--- a few digitech derivations thereof, & that orban thingy.....). the 42 is a bit more 'hifi', w/a more standardised interface, but. 'twas the model for the eh-16sd, right? though, i agree that certainly the devices mentioned by ms had very little relation to the style/perspective/functionality of the eh-16sd..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 10:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19651; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:09:11 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_OT:_Eventide_H3500_question?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 204.176.90.245 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA19598 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard is THE man! Thanks Italo > At 12:48 AM +0200 7/31/02, Italo De Angelis wrote: > >Also you should have a Y cord feeding both inputs, since algorithms c an > >be very difeerent input-wise. > > This is a VERY important point! I normally feed both inputs of my > H3000, using a Y cord as Italo suggests. Many algorithms use the Left > input only > > 100 Diatonic Shift Left only > 101 Layered Shift Left only > 102 Dual Shift Left & Right independent > 103 Stereo Shift Left & Right stereo > 104 Reverse Shift Left only > 105 Swept Combs Left only or Left & Right stereo (selectable) > 106 Swept Reverb Left & Right stereo > 107 Reverb Factory Left only > 108 Ultra Tap Left only or Left + Right summed (selectable) > 109 Long Digiplex Left only > 110 Dual Digiplex Left only or Left & Right independent (selectable) > 111 Patch Factory Left only > 112 Stutter Left + Right summed > 113 Time Squeeze Left & Right stereo > 114 Dense Room Left only > 115 Vocoder Left for Carrier & Right for Program signal > 116 Multi-Shift Left & Right independent > 117 Band Delay Left + Right summed > 118 String Modeller Left only > 119 Phaser Left only > 120 Studio Sampler Left only or Left & Right stereo > 121 Studio Sampler Left only or Left & Right stereo > 122 mod factory|one Left & Right independent > 123 mod factory|two Left & Right independent > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 10:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20841; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:30:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:21:49 -0500 From: Mike Killian Subject: More Cases To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D48008C.86674F08@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <00a101c237e6$d1d072e0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> <3D46C918.F36F41B0@bagend.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was at Sam's Discount Club yesterday and saw some pretty cool gear cases. I wonder if they have them in all of their stores. They are aluminum, lined with rubber, sturdy handles, corners, etc.and about 24" x 18" wide and 24" tall (eyeballed measurement!) . One is a little bigger than the other so they can be nested and packed two to a box. They were selling for $94 for two cases. Mike Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 11:13:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24017; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:10:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Boomerang for Sale on Ebay From: Richard Menger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - erie.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - devicecircle.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just in case anyone wants to expand their Looping potential.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=896990564&rd=1 Please contact me off list with any questions. richard menger device master device circle 1716 kissingbower rd. augusta, ga 30904 email : info@devicecircle.com phone : (706) 231-4948 web: http://www.devicecircle.com Transfer your home movies to DVD!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 11:38:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26069; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:37:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:28:57 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: Eventide H3500 question In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:09 PM +0200 7/31/02, Italo De Angelis wrote: >Richard is THE man! >Thanks I'll accept that title when it comes to some aspects of the H3000. ;-) Although Bob Belcher and Ken Bogdanowicz are "the men" behind this (and more recent) Eventide, I spent many many hours up to my elbows in the MIDI code of the H3000. I made a complete editor, using Max, and learned to parse the sysex dumps for all the algorithms and implemented real-time MIDI control of (almost) all the parameters (not just the ones in the MIDI patching tables). One body of "secret lore" that I was forced to compile was an accurate list of the IDs needed to control the parameters. There are a great many errors in the manual, so people endeavoring to use the Nonregistered Parameter method to control the H3000 might have some trouble. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 12:17:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29362; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:16:03 -0700 Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I was just suggesting easy to obtain devices with long delay times. I know the EH16 is long gone, and not easy to come across. It's been many years since I had a chance to play with an EH16, but what's the sense writing back, "Good luck finding one!" At least the devices I mentioned are available, and do some pretty cool stuff. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 01:25 AM, Stan Card wrote: > heh heh heh-nice try mark...*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely > relates > to the soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a > one of > a kind animal.they are impossible to find. i love mine more and more > everyday-i am so sorry that at 'y2k2' while i planned on an excursion > using > that box i never got to it for whatever reason...;o( > s > >> Where does one start? My guess is that for bang for the buck, (250US) >> the Line6 DL4 (delay modeler) will do the trick, plus a really nice >> looping section. >> >> Gone, but perhaps still available, the Electrix Repeater. (499US) No >> delay mode, just pure looping with pitch and time shifting. CFC memory >> will get you a lot of loop time, but each loop has an 8 minute max. >> Memory is non volatile. Can be transfered easily to your computer with >> a USB CFC reader. Loops can be stereo or four tracked. Company just >> folded, but the parent company (IVL) is having another of it's >> subsidiaries (TC-Halion) do warrantee service. >> >> Then there's the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. 198 sec of loop or mono >> delay madness. It slices, it dices. Up to 9 loops at a time. I just >> bought one and I can barely imagine all the functions of this bad boy. >> Stay on this list for a while, and you'll hear a whole lot about this >> one. >> >> You're best bet it to go to the Looper's Delight page and click on >> "Tools" There's a ton of info to get you started. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 08:04 PM, dana shearin wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know where i can get one, or something that does the same >>> thing? >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 12:47:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31449; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:47:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:47:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020731093620.02247e20@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:48:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP MIDI parameter change question In-Reply-To: References: <200207310933.FAA02417@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that's pretty strange. Do you have the ControlSource parameter set to Notes or Controllers? If it is "off" then program change messages are not received either. otherwise I don't know why it wouldn't work. can you connect your controller to something like MidiOx and email me a text file of the midi program change commands it is sending? kim At 04:13 AM 7/31/2002, Steve Sandberg wrote: >hmm, well I guess you probably are also sending the program change commands >on the same midi channel the echoplex is set to, and the midi out of your >controller is connected to the midi in of the edp. never hurts to check >though. >Yes to both -- > >are you sure your midi controller is really sending program change messages >and not something else? (does it work controlling other devices?) >Yes, it works controlling other devices. > >if you have presets saved, when you send program change 1 you see "P 1" on >the display, program change 2 is "P 2" etc. Does that happen? >This happens when I change parameter sets from the front panel, but >nothing happens when I try to do it through MIDI. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 12:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32132; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:55:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:42:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay -- perhaps FS -- what is it woth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI, I have one, (no footpedal, one slider is noisy). What is it worth? What would anybody on-list offer me? At 9:16 AM -0700 7/31/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Well, I was just suggesting easy to obtain devices with long delay >times. I know the EH16 is long gone, and not easy to come across. >It's been many years since I had a chance to play with an EH16, but >what's the sense writing back, "Good luck finding one!" At least >the devices I mentioned are available, and do some pretty cool stuff. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 01:25 AM, Stan Card wrote: > >>heh heh heh-nice try mark...*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely relates >>to the soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a one of >>a kind animal.they are impossible to find. i love mine more and more >>everyday-i am so sorry that at 'y2k2' while i planned on an excursion using >>that box i never got to it for whatever reason...;o( >>s >> >>>Where does one start? My guess is that for bang for the buck, (250US) >>>the Line6 DL4 (delay modeler) will do the trick, plus a really nice >>>looping section. >>> >>>Gone, but perhaps still available, the Electrix Repeater. (499US) No >>>delay mode, just pure looping with pitch and time shifting. CFC memory >>>will get you a lot of loop time, but each loop has an 8 minute max. >>>Memory is non volatile. Can be transfered easily to your computer with >>>a USB CFC reader. Loops can be stereo or four tracked. Company just >>>folded, but the parent company (IVL) is having another of it's >>>subsidiaries (TC-Halion) do warrantee service. >>> >>>Then there's the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. 198 sec of loop or mono >>>delay madness. It slices, it dices. Up to 9 loops at a time. I just >>>bought one and I can barely imagine all the functions of this bad boy. >>>Stay on this list for a while, and you'll hear a whole lot about this >>>one. >>> >>>You're best bet it to go to the Looper's Delight page and click on >>>"Tools" There's a ton of info to get you started. >>> >>>Mark Sottilaro >>> >>>On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 08:04 PM, dana shearin wrote: >>> >>>>Does anyone know where i can get one, or something that does the same >>>>thing? -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 13:04:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01485; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:03:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:03:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:02:28 -0800 Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi mark- easy now cowboy :-) 1st question on this thread was "where can i get one?" and i was being honest replying 'good luck'.they are rarely seen or seen working,thats all. i have the units you mention and they just dont touch the eh 16secddl's quirkiness and stuff. and DT -i am the west coast representative(figuretively)for pcm 42s(my live looper of choice!)-got 3 of them and according to bob sellon i think he said that back when he was modding the 42s he got requests from some to add faders to emulate the eh16-so i'm not sure which came first-but yer definitely right about bandwidth and similarity of operation-vco's etc. jus a little clarity from by weakened grey matter. s > Well, I was just suggesting easy to obtain devices with long delay > times. I know the EH16 is long gone, and not easy to come across. It's > been many years since I had a chance to play with an EH16, but what's > the sense writing back, "Good luck finding one!" At least the devices I > mentioned are available, and do some pretty cool stuff. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 01:25 AM, Stan Card wrote: > >> heh heh heh-nice try mark...*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely >> relates >> to the soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a >> one of >> a kind animal.they are impossible to find. i love mine more and more >> everyday-i am so sorry that at 'y2k2' while i planned on an excursion >> using >> that box i never got to it for whatever reason...;o( >> s >> >>> Where does one start? My guess is that for bang for the buck, (250US) >>> the Line6 DL4 (delay modeler) will do the trick, plus a really nice >>> looping section. >>> >>> Gone, but perhaps still available, the Electrix Repeater. (499US) No >>> delay mode, just pure looping with pitch and time shifting. CFC memory >>> will get you a lot of loop time, but each loop has an 8 minute max. >>> Memory is non volatile. Can be transfered easily to your computer with >>> a USB CFC reader. Loops can be stereo or four tracked. Company just >>> folded, but the parent company (IVL) is having another of it's >>> subsidiaries (TC-Halion) do warrantee service. >>> >>> Then there's the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. 198 sec of loop or mono >>> delay madness. It slices, it dices. Up to 9 loops at a time. I just >>> bought one and I can barely imagine all the functions of this bad boy. >>> Stay on this list for a while, and you'll hear a whole lot about this >>> one. >>> >>> You're best bet it to go to the Looper's Delight page and click on >>> "Tools" There's a ton of info to get you started. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 08:04 PM, dana shearin wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know where i can get one, or something that does the same >>>> thing? >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 13:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01752; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:56:42 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:25 AM -0800 7/31/02, Stan Card wrote: >*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely relates to the > soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a one >of a kind animal. Just out of curiosity, what makes the Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay unique? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 13:07:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01892; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:06:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:06:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.136.10.54] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PCM 42 dreaming Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:05:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 17:05:57.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[89F04990:01C238B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, Hypothetically speaking, if someone has $1200 to pick up a pcm 42 is there anyone still in the business of upgrading it to the 19.xx seconds? Thanks Lou _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 13:20:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02576; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:20:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:20:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:21:18 -0700 From: andrew pask Subject: Re: PCM 42 dreaming In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 7/31/02 at 1:05 PM, tarbit@hotmail.com (Louis Rossi) wrote: > OK, > Hypothetically speaking, if someone has $1200 to pick up a pcm 42 is there > anyone still in the business of upgrading it to the 19.xx seconds? On a side note, I recently came into posession of the PSP42, an emulation of the famed delay as a vst plug. It is made by the Polish software company PSP Audio www.pspaudioware.com This plug is "approved" by Lexicon , whatever that means, has a 32 sec sample memory and sounds very cool. The MIDI implementation is great, and I use it live on my laptop, no problems with clicking when changing parameters on the fly and latency is acceptable. A bit cheaper than the hardware box too. L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 13:23:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02757; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:22:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:06:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207291606.AA409534780@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: OT: Intonarumori Review in the Wire X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey my CDs got reviewed in the July issue of the Wire! Intonarumori - "Intonarumori" and Intonarumori - "Material" Noise machinery unpacked in Settle via the absolutist past of futurist klang (Intonarumori = "noise intoners" = "machines build to mimic industrial sounds") through the flexible fingers of Kevin Goldsmith, whose suitably alchemisty name proves to be no dissapointment. The "industrial"/futurist clue is a dead hearing, because this is far richer work, ghostlier, more freeform. (Echoes of Nurse With Wound in the light touch, and low key humour and pert use of sampled vox.) Goldsmith is primarily a cellist (maniuplator of cells?), but his variegated scrapes straddle old-skool improv and nu-school electronica, modest except in inventiveness, somehow very likeable and surprisingly touching; a real pleasure. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 13:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02903; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:24:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:23:56 -0700 Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <59.1f1cf7d5.2a793c99@aol.com> Message-Id: <4B3B19CF-A4AA-11D6-9444-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My bad. It's just been so long since I've seen one of those devices, I've forgotten it's quirks. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 06:14 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > stan said, > >> heh heh heh-nice try mark...*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely >> relates >> to the soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a >> one >> of >> a kind animal. > > disagree, here: > the lexicon pcm42 (not-to-mention ---though i will--- a few digitech > derivations thereof, & that orban thingy.....). > the 42 is a bit more 'hifi', w/a more standardised interface, but. > 'twas the model for the eh-16sd, right? > > though, i agree that certainly the devices mentioned by ms had very > little > relation to the style/perspective/functionality of the eh-16sd..... > best, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 13:32:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03226; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:30:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:30:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:29:55 -0700 Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B3B19CF-A4AA-11D6-9444-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My bad. It's just been so long since I've seen one of those devices, > I've forgotten it's quirks. That's not a quirk. That's a feature! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 13:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03579; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <4f.211db437.2a76a705@aol.com> Subject: sig chain between edp and repeater (wasRe: Quick EDP Question...) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:49:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 17:35:05.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BDCEC40:01C238B8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave.. you said.. >the edp/repeater combination works pretty well for me..... in a pinch, >though, i'd certainly choose the edp for its depth and performance >capabilities..... like goddess im thinking of getting an edp as well as my current repeater/vortex combo... am interested in your signal chain between edp => repeater or what? are you making screwy edp tricks and then looping em in repeater.. or are they parrallel as in ... pick the looper for the job? hows anyone else using the combination? ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 13:40:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03752; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:39:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:39:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c238b9$2077c2e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:38:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EH-16 has a function which modulates the playback rate. A loop would accelerate then slow down. In its extreme setting this was a wild effect. You could control the depth and frequency of this modulation. Yay analog! I miss it, but not the (unwanted) weird behavior it increasingly started to exhibit when I ditched it 6 years ago as a collectable after 13 years of service. I think you'd be crazy to buy one now if you wanted a dependable and serviceable device. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay > At 12:25 AM -0800 7/31/02, Stan Card wrote: > >*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely relates to the > > soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a one > >of a kind animal. > > Just out of curiosity, what makes the Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay unique? > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 14:01:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05937; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:59:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c23889$51b86830$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: PCM 42 dreaming Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:56:32 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1200? i haven't seen one go off on ebay for more than 850. there's one on right now at 500 and the reserve is met. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 14:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06260; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:04:32 -0500 Subject: EH 16 second delay from scratch? From: dana shearin To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone think they can build an EH16sec from scratch? anyone seen such a device or heard of someone who can do it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 14:14:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06961; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:11:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:11:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.2aa68550.2a7981ff@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:10:07 EDT Subject: pcm42 in relation to the EH16sd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-VbtXB.A.NrB.ngCS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com off the top of my pointed head: to the below, i'd say the pcm42 adds: 1) the delay time is selectively & progressively modulatable via internal LFO (as either a sine or square wave) and/or -(that's the progressive bit)- input amplitude. 2) a 'higher-quality' audio path than the eh16sd (though still w/ 8-bit pcm encoding at limited sample-rates), incl. a very subjectively 'nice' soft-clip limiter at the input. 3) mix output, delay time, feedback available via backpanel voltage controls. 4) a 'clock' output, w/some user-selectable subdivisors. 5) various mods were (are?) available, ncluding increased memory, memory reverse, 'new' loop points, etc..... 6) various outputs. best, dt / splattercell >The EH-16 has a function which modulates the playback rate. A loop would > >accelerate then slow down. In its extreme setting this was a wild effect. > >You could control the depth and frequency of this modulation. Yay analog! > >I miss it, but not the (unwanted) weird behavior it increasingly started >to > >exhibit when I ditched it 6 years ago as a collectable after 13 years of > >service. I think you'd be crazy to buy one now if you wanted a dependable > >and serviceable device. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 14:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07301; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:16:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:11:36 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay In-reply-to: <008201c238b9$2077c2e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <008201c238b9$2077c2e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:38 AM -0700 7/31/02, Bob Campbell wrote: >The EH-16 has a function which modulates the playback rate. A loop would >accelerate then slow down. Do you mean that an LFO would modulate the clock rate? Like on a PCM-42? I can do that sort of thing on my Eventides, but of course that's a vastly different price category. >I think you'd be crazy to buy one now if you wanted a dependable and >serviceable device. It may take a little programming and an external MIDI controller, but I believe that whatever functions the E-H had can probably be replicated with one of the newer higher-end devices. The advantages would be greater reliability, optionally better sound quality, and even more freaky effects. If someone will catalog the E-H's features I'll see if I can reproduced them. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 14:47:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08851; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:46:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <44.239e5afc.2a798a3c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:45:16 EDT Subject: is there a jason watson in the haus? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if so, please email me privately. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 15:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13184; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:40:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:40:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:53:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C238DC.A3A8BB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 19:39:02.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC1905C0:01C238C9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C238DC.A3A8BB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I aquired an Alesis Air synth yesterday...not totally sure how much ill = use it really, but remembered that others on list mentioned it few = times... looking for a "group" or list that might get into this box a = bit, would like to suss out any kinda rudimentory synching possibilities = for its "sequences" presets... shame no midi, but ... where theres a = will theres a way! mail me if you know summat? ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C238DC.A3A8BB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C238DC.A3A8BB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 15:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13446; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:41:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:41:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D483D01.195CA2B@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:39:45 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay References: <008201c238b9$2077c2e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > If someone will catalog the E-H's features I'll see if I can reproduced them. To me the essentials are the reverse switch for changing direction of playback, the way the sound responds to changing the delay length (shorter delay speeds up the loop, longer delay slows it down unlike some delays where changing the loop length merely means moving the end point), and the short/long switch where going from the short (8 sec) range to long (16 sec) drops the sound down an octave as well as stretching the envelope. And the aforementioned modulation, of course. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 16:57:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18513; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:56:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:55:18 -0800 Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D483D01.195CA2B@pa.msu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Richard Zvonar wrote: > >> If someone will catalog the E-H's features I'll see if I can reproduced them. > > To me the essentials are the reverse switch for changing direction of > playback, > the way the sound responds to changing the delay length (shorter delay speeds > up > the loop, longer delay slows it down unlike some delays where changing the > loop > length merely means moving the end point), and the short/long switch where > going > from the short (8 sec) range to long (16 sec) drops the sound down an octave > as > well as stretching the envelope. And the aforementioned modulation, of > course. > > John McIntyre very well put-i would say the way you can manipulate sound on the fly w/ those faders(as opposed to knobs or pads) and aforementioned fast/slow-reverse/forward really quickly plus feedback(regeneration) that goes to total noise eventually-which can then become a mixable sound w/ new sound being added. its hard to enumerate-its such a physical thang. i suggest watching in action @ his live shows or getting that old instructional video where he puts it thru its paces(but w/ footpedal!) s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 18:12:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25900; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020731221135.84089.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: Eventide H3500 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6234F706-A434-11D6-A8AA-0003937B76DC@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > Moving the jumpers to -10 did the trick. So, the Nomad 45 effects > loop is on the low powered side I guess. I have the same problem with my Rivera guitar amp. It's not line level and some of my gear doesn't work all that great in the efx loop. Have to get something to boost & reduce to use it there. Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 18:14:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26177; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:13:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:13:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020731221327.37690.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Repeater availability To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3v8xTC.A.0WG.IEGS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Gone, but perhaps still available, the Electrix Repeater. (499US) I noticed the new Musician's Friend catalog I just got lists the Repeater (for $499). It says "Limited Quantities". Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 19:06:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29929; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:05:12 -0700 Subject: Loopfest pics (Finally!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, I finally fixed the broken links, and changed the header to Loopfest, not loopstock. I had been using an old template I used to post the loopstock pics and just forgot to change it. I know it still says Loopstock on the individual image pages, but I'm not going in and changing all those pages! http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/index.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 19:12:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30424; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:12:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:12:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020731231150.60333.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Mains Filters... do they work? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6F7A7C86-A468-11D6-91B2-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, Whether filters (or power conditioners) will work for you depends on the characteristics of the electrical noise on the line (spikes, dips, emi/rfi, motor whines, light dimmers, clicks..), and the filter's or power conditioner's capabilities (what frequencies/types of noise can it remove, and how much reduction). It is best to start with treating the noise at the source, if possible. Some interesting reading about this approach and a noise sniffer at: http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/db04.htm Regarding refrigerators, I found this: The classic solution is to put a capacitor across the contacts of the thermostat of the fridg to prevent arcing. Something like a 47mfd 300V ceramic for 120V. Another option would be to wind the power cord of the fridg through and around a ferrite core. Or do both. For more information check out the ARRL Handbook. -------------- Regarding ferrite cores: Ferrite RFI blockers These are placed on power cords in the system and also at strategic places throughout the house. Most important places - TV sets, computers, burglar alarm system, refrigerator. Recommended: Large toroidal cores made by Amidon Associates, Santa Ana, CA. Types F-240-43 (ferrite) and T-300-2 (iron powder material). These are available in electronic parts stores. An alternate mail order and international source is Surplus Sales of Nebraska. E-mail: grinnell@surplussales.com or URL: www.surplussales.com. Catalog part numbers: iron cores (ICH) MM-T157-2 (page 57); ferrite cores (ICH) 57-1465 (page 55). The toroidal cores are partially effective just leaning on a power cord and can be evaluated for system improvement this way. This tweak must be carefully adjusted and evaluated by ear. Just one core too many can tip the balance from smoother with reduced “grundge” to hard and edgy. http://www.magnan.com/column.shtml#ferriteblockers ------------- Another product for use at noise source: http://www.smarthome.com/4845acf.html Also this tidbit: Although many low-cost power outlet strips sold at hardware and computer stores claim to include RFI filtering, in truth none of them contain filters that are really effective. You need to purchase a genuine industrial-grade RFI filter from an electronics parts supplier. Both Mouser (mentioned above) and DigiKey (800-344-4539; on the Internet http://www.digikey.com) sell the kind of filter I'm talking about here. I have used filters made by Corcom (sold by DigiKey) and Cornell-Dubilier with great success, and they range in price from $25 to $65 each, depending on their capacity in Amperes. Don't waste your time with cheaper units; buy only Series R two-stage L-C (inductor-capacitor) filters. http://www.ethanwiner.com/dimmers.html ---------- Hope this helps a bit. bret --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to find a unit that will clean up any mains > interference/noise on the circuit at home (I live in a small > apartment, > with lots of gadgets like neighbours fridges making strange random > noises). Has anyone had any experience with units like this? Do they > work? > > Just a random question :) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 19:43:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31769; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:42:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <10e.14fe8699.2a79cfcb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:42:03 EDT Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/31/2002 2:55:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: << where he puts it thru its paces(but w/ footpedal!) s >> Actually the footpedal was a pain in the ass and added rather unambient clunks to your loop, even if you were careful. Which is not to say that after 15 years of service I was not sorry to see it become someone elses box (an associate of Nels Cline).After tape loops it opened up a world of sonic manipulation that I enjoy listening to some of the results of to this day.The half speed backwards function possible in the EDP LoopIV upgrade is a nod in the direction of this box and it's lore. b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 19:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32268; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:49:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: EH 16 second delay X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:47:27 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE91@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EH 16 second delay Thread-Index: AcI47BcxV8YG3eWKQ/Ce3bymxaabBAAAKwFw From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA32231 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually the footpedal was a pain in the ass and added rather unambient clunks to your loop, even if you were careful. ** really? i use my footpedal all the time and haven't noticed that. Which is not to say that after 15 years of service I was not sorry to see it become someone elses box (an associate of Nels Cline). ** jeff g or scott a . . . ? stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 20:02:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01692; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:02:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020801000126.57796.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert K Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_9jqW.A.uZ.XpHS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- dana shearin wrote: > Does anyone know where i can get one, or something > that does the same thing? > I've had one since the early 80's when i was "Flock of Sea-gulling" in bands and it was state of the art then but wouldn't go there now with so much more to offer technologically .. just get an EDP, what more do you want ? and it will cost you less in the end .... ===== Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 20:03:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01915; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:02:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c238ef$7bc459c0$d5cbcb97@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020730103658.02202320@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020731005858.0232ff18@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: synchronizing 2 edps' to external clock Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:07:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7D8tlC.A.ta.IqHS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi - I just received the Loop IV chips. Woohooo! Egads! A whole manual for the upgrade alone. Damn, this shit is POWERFUL. Now I REALLY want that instructional DVD! David UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 20:04:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02141; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:03:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:03:03 +0200 Subject: Re: Mains Filters... do they work? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020731231150.60333.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0CAE381F-A4E2-11D6-96D9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <7Yj84B.A.Lh.XrHS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Bret! I have a feeling that I will have to solve the problem though at my end. I'm 99% certain that there is something on the mains loop to the floor in someone else's apartment that is picking up interferance. The sort of noise that I am getting is a high pitched whine that goes up in frequency (up to 15-18Khz I think) then cuts off. Playing around with neighbours fridges is definitely out of the question - hell, this is Paris... I've hardly even seen them, let alone spoken to them. I'm going to try a few experiments... one of which is moving all my equipment to the countryside this weekend and trying to record the bloody stuff there :) I'll check out your links in the morning. :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 31 23:06:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14745; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:03:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:03:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:53:48 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay In-reply-to: <3D483D01.195CA2B@pa.msu.edu> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <008201c238b9$2077c2e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> <3D483D01.195CA2B@pa.msu.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: >If someone will catalog the E-H's features I'll see if I can reproduced them. At 3:39 PM -0400 7/31/02, John McIntyre wrote: >the reverse switch for changing direction of playback Line6 DL4 and Echo Pro, Boomerang, Gibson Echoplex, and Electrix Repeater can do this, though perhaps not with the same relationship to the E-H's delay-with-feedback mode of looping. >the way the sound responds to changing the delay length (shorter >delay speeds up the loop, longer delay slows it down unlike some >delays where changing the loop length merely means moving the end >point), Any variable-clock delay will do this. It was the standard in the early '80s. Lexicon delays all did it. >the short/long switch where going from the short (8 sec) range to >long (16 sec) drops the sound down an octave as well as stretching >the envelope. This is just a halving/doubling of the clock rate. >And the aforementioned modulation, of course. Eventides have lotsa modulation. The main issue (other than the particulars of specific sound quality and control layout) seems to be the way variable clock (dynamic modulation and half/double speed) interacts with feedback, infinite hold (loop), and the forward/reverse toggle. Individual combinations of these effects can be got from other units, but the "whole enchilada" maybe not (unless you have a Kyma system or are working with MSP). For instance, I can do a lot with an Eventide H3000 using mod factory: up to 32 seconds of delay with feedback, modulation, and infinite loop, but it won't do reverse. With a DSP4000 or Orville I can do forward/reverse, but it does this in "sampler" mode and won't function as a long delay within the same program. So yeah, I guess the Electro-Harmonix is sui generis. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz