From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 01:17:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06129; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:16:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:16:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <011101c1c0e8$ad8b0780$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <187.41adac3.29b04086@aol.com> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:05:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "David Alexander McDonald" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: : : >Polytown : >Jansen,Barbieri,and Karn : ..... i'm glad ya dig that stuff, but - whatever it is- i'm pretty sure it's : not prog-rock..... Bent jazz. *Very* bent jazz. David http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 01:17:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06180; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:16:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:16:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <011201c1c0e8$adf75de0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> <017f01c1bb21$49555ad0$6445230a@melon> <00c801c1bb59$ca9dd7b0$58b8fea9@melon> <003401c1c07f$dc883c60$25f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:08:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "David Alexander McDonald" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" : digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc from Ozric Tentacles. Porcupine Trees Spock's Beard I had a whole list of these a little while ago. David http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 01:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05978; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:16:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:16:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <011301c1c0e8$ae7603c0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:16:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "David Alexander McDonald" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4sMRFB.A.zcB.nyxf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" : some more suggestions...i guess...although i'm still fuzzy on what : exactly a 'prog' rock band is... : : : Can : Neu! : Amon Duul : Tangerine Dream : Hawkwind Can, Neu!, and Amon Duul II fall under Krautrock, not prog, with Amon Duul II (and Amon Duul I also, I'd say) falling sideways into spacerock. Tangerine Dream never fit into the prog-rock category, either. Electronic-experimental initially, then various forms of ambient, and, finally, some flavors of New Age. Hawkwind are definitely not prog. Spacerock all the way, those boys. One of a kind, despite all the personnel changes. Van Der Graaf Generator/Van Der Graaf fell in and out of the prog-rock and spacerock categories, but as they tended to be all over the place, I would hesitate to use the prog label as a focus. Both the drummer and sax/flute player were quite accomplished jazz players, the keyboards player went on to build organs for churches, and the vocalist, Peter Hammill, turned up at one point with an opera in hand. David http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 01:54:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07584; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:53:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:53:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:54:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003401c1c07f$dc883c60$25f8c440@g0wn7> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim, This'll probably sound obvious compared to the other suggestions, but give Genesis' "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" 5 or 10 listens (if you haven't already). It will grow on you in a very lovely way. Oh, and don't forget Yes "Fragile". Have you listened to any math rock? It's not progressive rock but takes the "power" in progressive to an extreme (sometimes adding weaving Frippesque lines, always playing around with time signatures). Don Caballero's "Don Caballero 2" is a great example of this kind of music. Remember, it's called math rock for a reason. Who would think of singing while trying to solve a quadratic equation? That's not a slam, just a bit of a heads up. BTW, I've always wondered why these math guys haven't integrated looping into their music. It's practically begging for loops. Happy hunting, Another Jim > i'm really > digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do > love kc from > early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are > welcome. progressive rock is the one field i'm not terribly familar with > (as opposed to jazz, independent rock, classical which i have a > pretty firm > grasp on). > > thanks for the suggestions. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 03:52:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11628; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 03:50:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 03:50:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.142] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:56:29 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 08:49:43.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[0810CEF0:01C1C0FE] Resent-Message-ID: <4kru1.A.M1C.GD0f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of fave 'prog rock' groups that I dig are: Kong (check out their Phelgm release) King Crimson (of course) Tool Primus all the Mike Patton projects :-) Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 04:28:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13561; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:27:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:27:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7F48B0.E539D854@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:24:00 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [live Looping Broadcast] SeeWhat? on air feb 27 at 24h References: <3C7BF018.A532424A@vtx.ch> <006d01c1c029$7de2eb20$2508c5a9@azstarnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9_mRqC.A.QTD.jl0f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David and all there is a second chance to listen to my live set at http://www.couleur3.ch/sitev2/archives/Emissions__/ then scroll down to "les metissages" 28.02.2002 00:00:00 60 min. it real audio *.rm had a lot of fun btw have a nice listen Claude David Alexander McDonald wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Claude Voit" > > : I almost forgot to pester you with this: > : > : I'm invited to play a 1 h live set in the studio tomorrow night on les > : "métissages" sur "couleur3" (National Swiss Radio) > > Auuugh! My e-mail service has been playing hell lately, so this arrived too > late to do any good...! > > I hate when this sort of thing happens. > > David > > =================================== > Sanity Assassinations > Where the strange get much, much stranger > http://forums.delphiforums.com/sanityassassin/start From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 05:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16852; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 05:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 05:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cataldo De Palma" To: Subject: R: Mackie 1604 VLZ Mixer for sale Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:40:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C115.E4F4B180" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C115.E4F4B180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MessageDear Bill, I'm in the opposite situation, in other words I'd like to sell my old 1202 in order to buy something bigger. let me get some information about this mixer and I'll let you know bye Aldo -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Wolf, Bill [mailto:bill.wolf@ness-usa.com] Inviato: mercoledì 27 febbraio 2002 6.49 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: Mackie 1604 VLZ Mixer for sale Hi there, I'm thinking about selling a Mackie 1604 VLZ that I recently bought. It's brand new, in box, with warranty card. Totally mint. I made a mistake buying it - it turns out my old 1202 meets my needs just fine. And the 1604 is just way too big for my needs. I need to keep my rig really simple. So I'm selling the 1604 for $750 (firm) plus shipping. I could accept paypal. Let me know if you're interested. I've bought/sold things on ebay - you can look up my feedback by the username wolfereeno. Thanks Bill Wolf Tech Lead Ness Technologies (877)488-7222 http://www.ness-usa.com http://www.billwolf.com ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C115.E4F4B180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C115.E4F4B180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 07:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19877; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:16:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <002e01c1c11b$12130a40$9d09c5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <3C7BF018.A532424A@vtx.ch> <006d01c1c029$7de2eb20$2508c5a9@azstarnet.com> <3C7F48B0.E539D854@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: [live Looping Broadcast] SeeWhat? on air feb 27 at 24h Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 05:14:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <-eT2nD.A.d0E.IE3f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" : David and all : : there is a second chance to listen to my live set at : http://www.couleur3.ch/sitev2/archives/Emissions__/ Great! Thanks, Claude. Glad to hear you had a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to hearing it. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 08:15:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21996; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:13:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7F8B08.91E7780@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 06:07:05 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The "Math Rock" example you gave, Don Caballero, was the band where I first saw an Akai Headrush in action. Both the guitarist and the bassist used them extensivly. It was a real eye opener for me. Sure, I had heard about Frippertronics, and was interested in that a little, but Don Cabellero made me go buy a headrush of my own... Then I found Loopers Delight, then i heard David Torn...WOW! -jas http://dimbulb.org Jim Poppen wrote:. > > > BTW, I've always wondered why these math guys haven't integrated looping > into their music. It's practically begging for loops. > > Happy hunting, > Another Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 08:52:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23682; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:51:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:51:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <119.d62f83d.29b0e114@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:50:12 EST Subject: Strange Posts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <6-VU3.A.IwF.6c4f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, every so often someone out there is sending a post which plays havoc with the digest version of the list. Every post after on that edition of the digest is then combined into a mish mash. Whoever you are, please try to send mails in plain text (not HTML). Digest readers don't get to see any coloured text, entertaining fonts, or funny big writing, all we see is lots of HTML tags. (you know the stuff
) and there's a lot of digest readers . So do please try to find out how your post goes out, and send plain text if you can. rant over normal OT rambling and EDP esoteria will be resumed andy("hoping this goes out plain text, or looking rather foolish") butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 09:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24476; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:03:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:03:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:02:28 EST Subject: Re: [live Looping Broadcast] SeeWhat? on air feb 27 at 24h To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com claude, >there is a second chance to listen to my live set at >http://www.couleur3.ch/sitev2/archives/Emissions__/ ahhh..... my own *internet*-listening is severely limited, until the end of march..... i do enjoy your most recent recording, though! best, dt / spl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 09:09:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24796; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:08:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:08:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <10c.db76044.29b0e50c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:07:08 EST Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stree@azstarnet.com writes: >Bent jazz. *Very* bent jazz. huh. well, it takes all kinds, right? *-) best, dt / spl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 09:44:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25986; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:42:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:42:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:42:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice choices, I was going to suggest those. I'd also add: Echolyn (similar to Gentle Giant, but better production) Mike Patton's projects (imagine Felini playing prog-rock): Fantomas Three Chiefs Mr. Bungle How about Radiohead? If Kid A and Amnesiac aren't progressive for a rock band, I don't know what is. -----Original Message----- From: David Alexander McDonald [mailto:stree@azstarnet.com] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" : digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc from Ozric Tentacles. Porcupine Trees Spock's Beard I had a whole list of these a little while ago. David http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 09:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26585; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:55:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:55:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c1c130$ffc84330$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:54:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopstock - This *must* happen again! I can't go this year but please, please, please (<--- unashamedly begging and pleading) do this again! Meanwhile, y'all have fun! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 09:58:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26812; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:57:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:57:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.174.185.114] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:56:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 14:56:20.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F7A9140:01C1C131] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm >really >digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc from >early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are Ruins Henry Cow Mike Keneally's various projects Bruford Levin Upper Extremities Uzed Heldon/Richard Pinhas Paolo _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 10:17:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27779; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:16:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:16:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:15:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Ruins! I was trying to think of them. I love that band. -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:phv40@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) >together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm >really >digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc from >early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are Ruins Henry Cow Mike Keneally's various projects Bruford Levin Upper Extremities Uzed Heldon/Richard Pinhas Paolo _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 10:22:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28341; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:20:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:20:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c1c134$3170f0f0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Subject: Lightning Joe's Guitar Heaven Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:17:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <44A_v.A.U5G.5w5f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers , For those of you who like shopping for gear, you may want to check out Lightning Joe's Guitar Heaven on the way to Loopstock. Lightning Joe's is in Arroyo Grande, about ten miles south of San Luis Obispo on the 101. Joe's has a great selection of used gear, and he and his wife are really helpful. I bought the only Echoplex Digital Pro that they had a couple of years ago, but I've seen a couple of MIDI routers and mixers in there, and LOTS of other interesting-looking processing gear, pedals, amps, and (of course) guitars and basses. To get there, take the Grand Avenue exit East off the 101, and you'll see their corner shop on the right-hand side of Grand about two blocks off the freeway. They open at noon. Happy hunting, and tell 'em I sent you, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 10:49:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30194; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:47:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:47:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7FA27A.40096F4C@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:47:06 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> <004b01c1c0ba$ab6a3940$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2CvyVC.A.iWH.HK6f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Butch wrote: > What about "An electric Storm in Hell" by White Noise? I haven't heard it > but a lot of people talk about it. Or is it hype? Mostly hype. The second side is an electronic freak-out, but the first side is sappy love songs. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 10:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30396; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:40:26 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Lightning Joe's Guitar Heaven In-reply-to: <008601c1c134$3170f0f0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <008601c1c134$3170f0f0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:17 AM -0800 3/1/02, Hans Lindauer wrote: >For those of you who like shopping for gear, you may want to check out >Lightning Joe's Guitar Heaven on the way to Loopstock. I second that recommendation! Last time I was there I found a Mitigator RFC-1. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 11:02:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31083; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:00:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:00:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:58:33 -0600 Subject: Loopstock From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone refresh me on the particulars of Loopstock? The location, date, time, cost, etc.? Thanks! Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 11:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31334; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:02:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:02:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013f01c1c13a$6a0a2c00$06065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:01:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler >hi all...considering most of us have relatively similar taste (we're closer >together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm really >digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc from >early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are >welcome. progressive rock is the one field i'm not terribly familar with >(as opposed to jazz, independent rock, classical which i have a pretty firm >grasp on). Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, Anekdoten, Par Lindh Project, Iluvatar, Il Balletto Di Bronzo, Thinking Plague, North Star, Nexus, Echolyn, Priam, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Porcupine Tree, After Crying, Deus, Ex Machina, California Guitar Trio, Tony Levin, Djam Karet, White Willow, Under the Sun, The Underground Railroad, Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, ... Check out http://nearfest.com Once again, I have a ticket! Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 11:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31898; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:09:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:09:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.9cd928e.29b1018e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:08:46 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike, In a message dated 3/1/02 8:00:34 AM, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: >Can someone refresh me on the particulars of Loopstock? The location, >date, time, cost, etc.? Thanks! >From the Loopstock press release: Loopstock will be held on Saturday, March 2nd, 2002 at World Drum and Dance Studio (formerly Higher Movement Drum and Dance Studio), which is located at 778 Francis Street, across from Questa Natural Foods Co-op off Broad St. in San Luis Obispo. This all-ages event will take place from 2:00 p.m. until midnight, and admission is free. For more information, please contact Hans Lindauer at (805) 534-1009 or visit www.armatronix.com Hope this helps. TK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 11:23:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32619; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:20:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:20:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: midgard.darkcanvas.com: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:20:01 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: cc: Subject: Re: Strange Posts In-Reply-To: <119.d62f83d.29b0e114@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_yIryD.A.V8H.Zp6f8@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: [snip] > Whoever you are, please try to send mails in plain text (not HTML). > Digest readers don't get to see any coloured text, entertaining fonts, or > funny big writing, all we see is lots of HTML tags. > (you know the stuff
) > > and there's a lot of digest readers . > > So do please try to find out how your post goes out, and send plain text if > you can. [snip] If you're not sure how to set your email to plain text, instructions for how to do so for a wide variety of mail clients may be found on these two pages: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/plaintext.html and http://www.expita.com/nomime.html best, Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 11:44:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01258; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:43:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:43:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011301c1c0e8$ae7603c0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> <011301c1c0e8$ae7603c0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:42:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as i happened to say before, >...although i'm still fuzzy on what >: exactly a 'prog' rock band is... >: and since bands like Tool and The Ventures got thrown into the mix as well... i will say thank you, David, for grilling me on my inaccuracies of lumping krautrock and spacerock bands into the prog-rock genre. heartfelt apologies all around. rich >: >: Can >: Neu! >: Amon Duul >: Tangerine Dream >: Hawkwind > >Can, Neu!, and Amon Duul II fall under Krautrock, not prog, with Amon Duul >II (and Amon Duul I also, I'd say) falling sideways into spacerock. > >Tangerine Dream never fit into the prog-rock category, either. >Electronic-experimental initially, then various forms of ambient, and, >finally, some flavors of New Age. > >Hawkwind are definitely not prog. Spacerock all the way, those boys. One >of a kind, despite all the personnel changes. > >Van Der Graaf Generator/Van Der Graaf fell in and out of the prog-rock and >spacerock categories, but as they tended to be all over the place, I would >hesitate to use the prog label as a focus. Both the drummer and sax/flute >player were quite accomplished jazz players, the keyboards player went on to >build organs for churches, and the vocalist, Peter Hammill, turned up at one >point with an opera in hand. > >David >http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 11:54:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01933; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:53:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:53:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:56:53 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00bb01c1c142$16e39360$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> <011301c1c0e8$ae7603c0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Van Der Graaf Generator/Van Der Graaf fell in and out of the prog-rock and spacerock categories, but as they tended to be all over the place, I would hesitate to use the prog label as a focus. Both the drummer and sax/flute player were quite accomplished jazz players, the keyboards player went on to build organs for churches, and the vocalist, Peter Hammill, turned up at one point with an opera in hand. I may not be following popular definitions of prog, but I believe so many creative blends of genres ARE progressive. I wouldn't want prog to be such a large definition that *everything* falls in... I tend to think of space-rock and kraut-rock all as components of prog-rock, with Van Der Graaf Generator right at the top of the list! Peter Hammil is such an amazingly powerful singer and performer... Just him and a piano doing renditions of the band pieces is simply awe inspiring. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:01:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02397; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:58:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:58:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:02:51 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00d701c1c142$ec2da060$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Mike Patton's projects (imagine Felini playing prog-rock): > Fantomas > Three Chiefs > Mr. Bungle If you like these you'll probably want to check out Estradashpere... very heavily influenced by Zorn and Bungle. Some of their band members went on the road with Trey's Secret Chiefs 3 on their last tour. Great stuff! > How about Radiohead? If Kid A and Amnesiac aren't progressive for a rock > band, I don't know what is. I'm with ya all the way there Carl! I'd hate to constrain prog-rock to always have faux classical music elements to pass muster. That would be so sad. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:04:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02708; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:02:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:02:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020301110132.008b43a0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 11:01:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) In-Reply-To: <01c1c0d9$8eee4260$6878580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, You might also like one of my favorite Lp's of all time: Umagumma (sp?) by Pink Floyd (Not to further a slide into a debate war) Any ideas of a good sonic polka band? Sort of trippy polka? M... At 10:28 PM 2/28/02 -0600, you wrote: >snips~ >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Clark >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Date: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:31 PM >Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) > > >>Oh.... >> >>You might try, >> >>The Ventures >>The Shadows >>The Raiders (Angleton, Texas - not the "paul revere and the" group) >>The 13th Floor Elevators > > >yah man. the 13th Floor are way gone. Roky Erickson also has some bent solo >recordings, my fave among them, something like the Devil Alien Dog something >or other, though he came back in the 90's with Whatever Will Do My Ryhme. I >have a live rec. of The Floor and they were just making a mass of sound and >Roky's going off about space, goovy music! > >best regrads, Pedro Felix - NYC - 2002 > >>The Mermen >>The Jimi Hendrix Experience >> >>You know, a lot the 'the' groups. >> >>M..... >> >> >> >>At 04:50 PM 2/28/02 -0800, you wrote: >>>Polytown >>>Jansen,Barbieri,and Karn >>>Azigza >>>Trey Gunn Band >>>Tony Williams Lifetime... >>>To name afew favorites >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03101; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:09:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:09:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SPAM: Gonkulator for sale Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:09:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 17:09:02.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8F71490:01C1C143] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi & sorry for the spam. I’m selling this petal as I’m saving up for the MoogerFooger Ring Modulator. Please contact me directly at: tarbit@hotmail.com DOD FX13 Gonkulator Modulator for sale Like new & in box. For $75.00 thanks LOU _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:21:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03728; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:20:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:20:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Steve Lawson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:21:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Move aside LaFosse, the S'man is now an EDPster... :o) Message-ID: <3C7FB89D.26083.3A5148@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...OK, so it'll take me about four years to learn half of what Andre does with this 'ere box, but I've got one, and will be foisting my down-homey bass stylings on the masses avec le EDP as soon as I get some more gigs (ie, when my bass/piano duet CD comes out in April) - I've only had the EDP plugged in for about half an hour, but have already seriously rearranged one of my pieces to work with it (and made said tune about twice as long in the process - prog-bass sir? that'll do nicely!) Now it's time to get stuck in and see what weirdness I can come up with - and also to wade into the archives to reread all those 'how do you do... with an EDP?' threads that I deleted on arrival before today... :o) This is one seriously fun box - I've got it hooked up in series with my MPX-G2, DL4, JamMan then EDP, in the FX loop of my Ashdown C110-300 combo - pretty damn fine signal change - and Max, aux sends schmaux sends - running gear is series is that way to go - that way you can reloop your loops! :o) ...unless that is you have digital switching matrix that allows you to have each in an aux send of it's own and reposition them at will. I spoke with a friend of mine who works for SSL recently, and he offered to build me one for about 25 grand... :o) cheers Steve, down-homey EDPster www.steve-lawson.co.uk (if that's still not working, try www.users.zetnet.co.uk/stevelawson ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:23:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03976; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:22:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:22:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:22:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Repeater in the signal chain/Echoplex too! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C7ECEE3.4EBA@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK: Guitar (Steinberger with GK2A pickup) to Roland GR-30 (combined with regular pickup output) to DigiTech 2120 the effects loop of the 2120 then hits a Korg AX30 then a DigiTech Space Station) then off to the Repeater. The Repeater's effects loop goes like this: Warp Factory, Alesis AirFX, MoFX, DigiTech DSP128, Lexicon Vortex, then back to the Repeater. at that point it goes straight into a Mackie 1202 mixer. This can change in my studio, as I will put the Repeater in the effects loop of my SoundCraft FX8, but for live I've found that simpler is much better. Sorry, no EDP. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, February 28, 2002, at 04:44 PM, scott kungha drengsen wrote: > Could those of you using the Repeater(especially for live loops) > Please give a brief summation of your signal chain.Extra credit if > you've devised an especially concise and portable set up and also use > the Echoplex.. > Thank you for your time and knowlegde.. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:29:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04358; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:28:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:28:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <004901c1c146$9ad36020$9d09c5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <10c.db76044.29b0e50c@aol.com> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:13:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: : stree@azstarnet.com writes: : : >Bent jazz. *Very* bent jazz. : huh. : well, it takes all kinds, right? This is true. That said, I really like Mick Karn's bass work. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:29:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04483; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:28:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:28:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <004a01c1c146$9b0ee280$9d09c5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> <011301c1c0e8$ae7603c0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:24:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "David Alexander McDonald" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" : i will say thank you, David, for grilling me on my inaccuracies of : lumping krautrock and spacerock bands into the prog-rock genre. : : heartfelt apologies all around. No apologies needed -- as usual for a Thursday night/Fiday morning, I was furiously writing *about* music, and got all nitpicky (I write for All Music Guide, byline of Steven E. McDonald; I'm one of the nuttier writers there -- the resident VDGG/Hammill/Hawkwind goto -- though Bruce Eder was going neck and neck with me on Hawkwind for a while.) I need to learn to take a deep breath at times like that, and remember that It's All Music ... and relax. So ... my apologies to you for coming on strong. (In the AMG world, by the way, VDGG seem to be officially art-rock.) Cheerily, David http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:32:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04918; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:31:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:31:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:31:01 -0800 Subject: Looper Dreams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C7ECEE3.4EBA@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <19D55151-2D3A-11D6-9900-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a weird dream last night (Loopstock setup angst? I'm sure.) I had ordered a new looper. I'm not sure what it was. It didn't come, so I went to the FedEx building and asked about it. After a while, the guy come back with a bunch of pieces. It came unassembled and without a box. Of course, I had my guitar and stuff with me, and I started to try and put it together in the waiting room of FedEx. The looper seemed cheaply made, but I then realized that the faceplate was actually detachable, and could be used as a remote control. Mark Sottilaro (guitarist in the band "Sleeping") From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:43:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05541; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:40:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <005801c1c148$67841500$9d09c5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> <011301c1c0e8$ae7603c0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> <00bb01c1c142$16e39360$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:38:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "David Alexander McDonald" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" : > Van Der Graaf Generator/Van Der Graaf fell in and out of the prog-rock and : spacerock categories, but as they tended to be all over the place, I would : hesitate to use the prog label as a focus. Both the drummer and sax/flute : player were quite accomplished jazz players, the keyboards player went on to : build organs for churches, and the vocalist, Peter Hammill, turned up at one : point with an opera in hand. : : I may not be following popular definitions of prog, but I believe so many : creative blends of genres ARE progressive. I wouldn't want prog to be such a : large definition that *everything* falls in... : : I tend to think of space-rock and kraut-rock all as components of prog-rock, : with Van Der Graaf Generator right at the top of the list! Peter Hammil is : such an amazingly powerful singer and performer... Just him and a piano : doing renditions of the band pieces is simply awe inspiring. Well, your point is arguable, but is it worth the argument? I think you make a good point; as I said in the previous message, I was in Killer Nitpick mode. The conensus these days seems to be to place VDGG into the prog-rock category, with some of Peter's work following suit; several of the Long Hello projects would also fall easily into prog, though Guy Evans and David Jackson are now well beyond that boundary again (Guy with Echo City, Jackson with his Soundbeam and Tonewall work.) It all ends up meeting *somewhere*, it seems. Agreed about Peter. One of my assignments at the moment involves writing about 45 of his songs, and I'm struck repeatedly by how good his work is -- sure, I can find flaws from song to song, but they're overpowered by the strengths. The major exception: "The Polaroid." That was Peter attempting to be funny. Oh, the pain. (On the other hand, there's "An Epidemic Of Father Xmas," which is outright the most lunatic thing ever performed by VDGG.) I could go on for pages. so I won't. :) David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:48:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06188; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c1c148$e94e1860$c0e24bc7@default> Reply-To: "Rocky" From: "Rocky" To: Subject: (still OT) Progressive? Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:45:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't mean this as an attack on anyone here, merely a comment on language, culture, and human perspectives in general. Terminology: The 2 most ludicrous music genre terms, in my opinion, are 1. "progressive" 2. "alternative" The terms mean, essentially, 1. "better than" and 2. "other than" PROGRESSIVE Better than what? And it what way? Of course a vehement disco fan is likely to see Donna Summer as superior to Yes. Any arguments to the contrary are subjective. Progressive? The old Church Lady rant comes to mind: "Well now, we sure like ourselve, don't we?" (again, not a slam, just a look) ALTERNATIVE What was called "alternative rock" became so popular in the '90s that it became that which it was supposed to be an ALTERNATIVE from, POPULAR. (I also love the "just john" comment, ".... if it's "Progressive," why does it sound the same now as it did a quarter century ago?") Anyway, what comes to mind when progressive rock is brought up: Universal Juveniles by MAX WEBSTER (an all-time fave) If you don't hate Ozzy's voice and haven't heard the last 3 he did w/ Black Sabbath in the '70s, you must: Sabotage Technical Ecstacy Never Say Die Rocky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05947; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:45:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:45:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004a01c1c146$9b0ee280$9d09c5a9@azstarnet.com> References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> <011301c1c0e8$ae7603c0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> <004a01c1c146$9b0ee280$9d09c5a9@azstarnet.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:44:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com david, thanks for your response! if you are knowledgeable about Hawkwind (of which i am totally NOT). are you familiar with a low budjet compilation video that was done on them circa '90-'91? if memory serves me at all, it might have had helios creed on it as well, and two other l.a. based bands, Pressurehed and Gravity Throttle. the reason i ask is that i was a member of gravity throttle, and we were talking with a gentleman at the time who had video'd of few of our performances and supposedly was releasing this video comp. he was a bit of a flakey/shady guy, and we lost contact with him eventually as the release date got pushed back and pushed back... i don't know if the video ever got released. does this ring any bells? best, rich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "rich" > >: i will say thank you, David, for grilling me on my inaccuracies of >: lumping krautrock and spacerock bands into the prog-rock genre. >: >: heartfelt apologies all around. > >No apologies needed -- as usual for a Thursday night/Fiday morning, I was >furiously writing *about* music, and got all nitpicky (I write for All Music >Guide, byline of Steven E. McDonald; I'm one of the nuttier writers there -- >the resident VDGG/Hammill/Hawkwind goto -- though Bruce Eder was going neck >and neck with me on Hawkwind for a while.) > >I need to learn to take a deep breath at times like that, and remember that >It's All Music ... and relax. > >So ... my apologies to you for coming on strong. > >(In the AMG world, by the way, VDGG seem to be officially art-rock.) > >Cheerily, > >David >http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:57:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06982; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:56:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:56:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper Dreams Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:55:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a loop-based dream too last night, there was a snake in a bagel factory...I don't quite understand it, but it must have something to do with looping. :) -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Dreams > I had a weird dream last night (Loopstock setup angst? I'm sure.) > > I had ordered a new looper. I'm not sure what it was. It didn't come, > so I went to the FedEx building and asked about it. After a while, the > guy come back with a bunch of pieces. It came unassembled and without a > box. Of course, I had my guitar and stuff with me, and I started to try > and put it together in the waiting room of FedEx. The looper seemed > cheaply made, but I then realized that the faceplate was actually > detachable, and could be used as a remote control. Dream Interpretation: It was no dream. This actually happened. You had ordered the new, improved Againinator (with improved front panel graphics). Due to federal regulations, these powerful units must be shipped unassembled and never sent directly to private residences. (Besides, it minimizes the assembly department at the main plant.) Unfortunately, when it was packed, the "Record" button was bumped to "On". Then, when you assembled it, you must have hit the "Undo Whole Experience" button. Hence, all that is left seems to be some vague dream. Hope this helps... :D Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 12:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07088; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:56:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:56:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:55:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: pcm 80? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please, does someone bring a PCM 80 to LoopStock? Or does someone have one in the SF area that I could borrow for an hour? Thank you for any private reply Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 13:02:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06577; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:51:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:51:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d001c1c149$8a1fd580$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <19D55151-2D3A-11D6-9900-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Looper Dreams Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:50:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I had a weird dream last night (Loopstock setup angst? I'm sure.) > > I had ordered a new looper. I'm not sure what it was. It didn't come, > so I went to the FedEx building and asked about it. After a while, the > guy come back with a bunch of pieces. It came unassembled and without a > box. Of course, I had my guitar and stuff with me, and I started to try > and put it together in the waiting room of FedEx. The looper seemed > cheaply made, but I then realized that the faceplate was actually > detachable, and could be used as a remote control. Dream Interpretation: It was no dream. This actually happened. You had ordered the new, improved Againinator (with improved front panel graphics). Due to federal regulations, these powerful units must be shipped unassembled and never sent directly to private residences. (Besides, it minimizes the assembly department at the main plant.) Unfortunately, when it was packed, the "Record" button was bumped to "On". Then, when you assembled it, you must have hit the "Undo Whole Experience" button. Hence, all that is left seems to be some vague dream. Hope this helps... :D Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 13:11:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07972; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:10:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c1c14c$9f0d5190$07001aac@ENVISION4> From: "Cesar D. Quintero" To: References: <200203011802.NAA07517@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Loops wanted! Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:12:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 17:59:21.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0ACC9D0:01C1C14A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. Does anybody have the Sonic Foundry DRUM TOOLS CD (Loops for Acid) to sell (original or copy) ?. Please contact me at cquintero@jet.es Thanks Cesar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 13:15:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08271; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:14:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003401c1c07f$dc883c60$25f8c440@g0wn7> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:13:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The definitive list of prog rock bands from Tony Levin: http://www.tonylevin.com/bandname.htm Start your own! It's easy! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 13:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09397; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:27:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:27:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <145.a4f19fd.29b121cb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:26:19 EST Subject: like mr grob, im here To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in warm "hazy" LA.....tamari is da day huh?.....what a gas!.....see ya all on the funway.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 13:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09683; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:30:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:30:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7FC82A.6A83AA44@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:27:54 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Move aside LaFosse, the S'man is now an EDPster... :o) References: <3C7FB89D.26083.3A5148@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fair enough, S-Man, as I've been playing in a looping duo with a keyboardist lately. I guess now we need to see which one of us can cop as many tricks as possible from the other's bag! ;) (I expect we'll be utterly indistiguishable from one another around 2007...) Congratulations on the acquisition! I think you'll find the shift from DL4 to EDP similar to going from a scientific calculator to a Pentium 4 PC. Hint of the decade: Quantize changes EVERYTHING. By the way, I haven't been able to access your site via the standard URL for several days now... Wha'appen? Yours is transcontinental EDP-mongering down-homeyness, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com Steve Lawson wrote: > > ...OK, so it'll take me about four years to learn half of what Andre does with this 'ere box, > but I've got one, and will be foisting my down-homey bass stylings on the masses avec > le EDP as soon as I get some more gigs (ie, when my bass/piano duet CD comes out in > April) - I've only had the EDP plugged in for about half an hour, but have already > seriously rearranged one of my pieces to work with it (and made said tune about twice > as long in the process - prog-bass sir? that'll do nicely!) > > Now it's time to get stuck in and see what weirdness I can come up with - and also to > wade into the archives to reread all those 'how do you do... with an EDP?' threads that I > deleted on arrival before today... :o) > > This is one seriously fun box - I've got it hooked up in series with my MPX-G2, DL4, > JamMan then EDP, in the FX loop of my Ashdown C110-300 combo - pretty damn fine > signal change - and Max, aux sends schmaux sends - running gear is series is that way > to go - that way you can reloop your loops! :o) ...unless that is you have digital switching > matrix that allows you to have each in an aux send of it's own and reposition them at > will. I spoke with a friend of mine who works for SSL recently, and he offered to build me > one for about 25 grand... :o) > > cheers > > Steve, down-homey EDPster > www.steve-lawson.co.uk (if that's still not working, try > www.users.zetnet.co.uk/stevelawson ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 13:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10806; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:51:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:51:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:42:08 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c159$2cb82400$6878580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snaps~ -----Original Message----- From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) >>yah man. the 13th Floor are way gone. Roky Erickson also has some bent solo>>recordings, my fave among them, something like the Devil Alien Dog something>>or other, though he came back in the 90's with Whatever Will Do My Ryhme. I>>have a live rec. of The Floor and they were just making a mass of sound and>>Roky's going off about space, goovy music! > >if ya wander in the direction of 13th floor and like what ya hear, >also check out some early Spacemen 3... > >they were heavily influenced by 13th Floor (with even a cover of >'rollercoaster'), velvets, neu!, suicide, and others. >>best, >>rich Rich - thanks for the tip in that direction. br, Pedro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 13:54:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11115; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:53:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:53:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:53:06 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Prog (off topic but bear with me) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone mentioned Universal Juveniles by Max Webster. It's an excellent disc although the previous release, "Mutiny up my Sleeve" has the awesome "Beyond the Moon" which is more overtly "prog" than anything on "Juveniles" (I love "Check", which my band used to do live, "Chalkers" and "Cry your Life". "April in Toledo" has a totally different meaning now that I know where the heck Lake Louise is). Some other groups that fit the bill: Planet X by Derek Sherinian, Virgil Donati, Brett Garsed and Tony Franklin. Imagine a hugely pissed-off UK with a desire to burn and show lots of chops. I like it. If you like the second UK cd "Danger Money" and want more like it, check out Motoi Sakuraba's "Gikyoumansou" (hard to find but worth it). It's keys/bass/drums madness on the defunct "Made in Japan" label. I've found more of his stuff from an obscure release called "@ MIDI's Battle" that's equally as good if not moreso. Other japanese groups with this leaning might be the amazing Happy Family, the avant-jazz meets progrock of Il Berlione, the amazing fusion of Kenso and the '74 King Crimson homage of By Kyo Ran. Other groups I dig in that genre: "Fire Merchants", John Goodsall's side project with a more jazz-fusion- prog vibe, Anglagard of course (and the swedish bands that hung around with them like Anekdoten and Landberk). Speaking of Sweden, bands such as Kultivator, Myrbien, and Zamla Mammas Manna are all worth checking out but finding the discs might be difficult. Kultivator at their best reminds me of a darker Swedish Mahavishnu but with a slightly jazier tinge. Myrbien are slightly King Crimsonish with a Zappa-esque humor component (check out the track "Disco Baby" - you could imagine Yes, EL&P or Genesis doing that? Well, maybe Genesis..) Zamla is great, I especially like "Family Cracks" (Five Single Combats and Ventilation Calculation are standouts and the live track "Pappa (With Right of Veto)" just kills me).l What's this got to do with looping? The group Transatlantic has a 30 minute piece on their first CD that ends with a four or five minute guitar loop (Full Moon Rising I believe is the track if I'm not mistaken). It's Roine Stolt (the Flower Kings, Kaipa and several other swedish bands), Mike Portnoy (U.S. based drummer for Dream Theatre), the bass player for Marillion (Pete Trewavas) and Neal Morse (keyboards and vocals) who is usually in Spock's Beard. I'd say check it out as the writing is better than their respective bands in my opinion. -t -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 14:08:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11987; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:06:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:06:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020301190620.53205.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:06:20 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Loopstock DV? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15b.9cd928e.29b1018e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm toying with the idea of bringing my digital video camera to Loopstock to capture bits and pieces of WIIWD (what it is we do) in my own modest and amateur way. I'm currently not planning on taping the entire 10 hour show though. Would any of the performers or organizers have any objection to being captured for posterity? Since I don't have decent external/shotgun mic the sound will suck, but if we get a decent recording off of the mixer I could use some of this in post production. No promises, just potentialities.... Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 14:33:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13473; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:31:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:31:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011f01c1c157$33f2cbf0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <20020301190620.53205.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loopstock DV? Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:28:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got no problem with it; I'm planning on doing the same thing. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: Loopstock DV? > I'm toying with the idea of bringing my digital video > camera to Loopstock to capture bits and pieces of > WIIWD (what it is we do) in my own modest and amateur > way. I'm currently not planning on taping the entire > 10 hour show though. > > Would any of the performers or organizers have any > objection to being captured for posterity? > > Since I don't have decent external/shotgun mic the > sound will suck, but if we get a decent recording off > of the mixer I could use some of this in post > production. > > No promises, just potentialities.... > > Stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 14:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13702; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:33:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:33:27 -0500 Subject: Simple looping From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203011802.NAA07518@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Dp8YD.A.QUD.qd9f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just want to send best wishes out to Loopstock -- sounds great, wish I could be there. But I hope to see you NY loopers soon on E 4 St --so far have been too busy with work to show up but am definitely there in spirit -- Also wanted to report that I have created a really simple setup for looping -- just a VL70 wind-controlled synth, a headset mike and an akai headrush -- and am really enjoying the simplicity of being away from so many knobs and closer to the music -- highly recommended! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 14:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13942; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:34:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:34:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:35:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-reply-to: <3C7F8B08.91E7780@cabq.gov> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6rfgXD.A.YYD.me9f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DOH!! Glad they inspired you to loop anyway. :-) > From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] > > The "Math Rock" example you gave, Don Caballero, was the > band where I first saw an Akai Headrush in action. Both > the guitarist and the bassist used them extensivly. It was a real eye > opener for me. Sure, I had heard about Frippertronics, and was > interested in that a little, but Don Cabellero made me go buy a headrush > of my own... > > Then I found Loopers Delight, then i heard David Torn...WOW! > > -jas > http://dimbulb.org > > Jim Poppen wrote:. > > > > > > > BTW, I've always wondered why these math guys haven't > integrated looping > > into their music. It's practically begging for loops. > > > > Happy hunting, > > Another Jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 15:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16814; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:28:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:28:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:26:13 -0500 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: OT: best software for simple editing on Mac? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We are going to have a LOT of these DAT tapes from open loop and Lena Strayhorn, my dearest dear, has volunteered to edit them down. Now, she's very bright but not a gear-head so I was wondering what the best (and cheapest) software would be for a smart layperson to edit audio on a Mac? /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 15:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16982; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:29:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:29:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopstock!! Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:28:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 20:28:52.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3AC1E20:01C1C15F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. I spent a couple months away from this list and it looks like I picked exactly the right time to dive back in. I'd say this event is worth a 4 hour drive. Can't wait to see everyone there. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 15:34:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17460; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:32:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:32:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:31:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 20:31:59.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[230B7860:01C1C160] Resent-Message-ID: <_0rCiC.A.GPE.eV-f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since everyone seems to be expanding our definitions of "prog-rock" a bit, I'd like to through Henry Kaiser's stuff out there too. Especially the Crazy Backwards Alphabet stuff. >From: "Paolo Valladolid" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) >Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:56:20 -0500 > >>together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm >>really >>digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc >>from >>early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are > >Ruins >Henry Cow >Mike Keneally's various projects >Bruford Levin Upper Extremities >Uzed >Heldon/Richard Pinhas > > >Paolo > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 15:44:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18011; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:43:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:43:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020301144219.008177d0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:42:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? In-Reply-To: <006c01c1bbdc$61e4ac20$bafccd18@oemcomputer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-XR7hB.A.NYE.qf-f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Good luck to everyone involved with Loostock! Play well! M.... At 12:06 PM 2/22/02 -0800, you wrote: >Howdy- > >The venue is at 778 Francis Street, San Luis Obispo. > >How's this for a URL: > >http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=s&mapdata=xU4YXdELrnClf5b2Fi28PQt >WiSgoWz6EqXl%2bu0WUpy8R4Qsuc6kKvpbRy8SfxqmO9d4ok1Wlz7wb%2ftOQYoOUTA%2b3kJY5B >DgJGTPWbSailbeainTl3slsCj8IUwFtbn5rBfxSQfgA8PL4WN%2bFZ%2bXR7S3d0ppa6FJw9XiAG >PRCdfUwfKjdNVx28gBysSIcsL%2bemUrwbfffzTpH2Lb2e%2fHc2SkxzPzf9DDxMvFcp4atXzlka >0fNgZC9A91EnRzIZcFdCfbsm8jAZ0g7xO9w8DZ4lmDqlfUf9QoSxq4jMBoCHP8Nt4o%2bMQoc2Xq >fdpgx5ciimtt72NvgK9Wfgcyk0DOVDDAfz5liMp8Cd7HsrHm0o2eUq6q8VwoC%2fW0igu733PAf > >-Hans > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Potter" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:50 PM >Subject: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? > > >> Several of us are looking for a map to Loopstock. Does anyone have one? >Or >> at least the address to make a yahoo map...Om and Out Papa Dave >> papadave55@hotmail.com >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 17:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23482; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:01:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:01:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:05:33 -0800 Subject: OT: Gear trade? From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <12epqB.A.YtF.8n_f8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a very little used and never travelled Line6 FM4 that I'd be happy to trade for an MM4 in good condition. The FM4 makes more cool noises, but I now feel reasonably certain that I'd get more use out of an MM4. I'll have the FM4 with me at Loopstock in case anyone attending wants to take me up on the offer. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 17:11:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24058; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:10:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:10:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:13:35 -1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Loopstock!! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wish I could make it to Loopstock. I can't even keep up with lurking on this list, let alone participating.....the time for a career change may be coming soon... Loop on everyone! Hope you all have a great time! Cheers, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 17:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24201; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:11:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:11:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 23:13:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Repeater in the signal chain/Echoplex too! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C7ECEE3.4EBA@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Could those of you using the Repeater(especially for live loops) > Please give a brief summation of your signal chain.Extra credit if > you've devised an especially concise and portable set up and also use > the Echoplex.. I've built a little rack for live use. Signal chain goes: 1) Instrument 2) Split box (same signal goes into EDP and Repeater, both set to "no direct signal out) 3) EDP goes into Repeater FX chain (through a mixer, also adding stereo reverb) 4) Repeater output L/R to sound system (digital L/R to DAT for recording of live set) Regards Per Boysen -- http://www.boysen.se http://www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 17:19:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24653; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:18:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:18:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <191.3190b8d.29b157f1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:17:21 EST Subject: last call for a ride To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ill be leaving LA tamari morn about 8:30-9:00 and heading to SLO, if you need a lift give me a call at 310-470-9856.....see ya der.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 17:47:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26021; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:45:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.143] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:48:48 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 22:44:41.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD0E1BA0:01C1C172] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll have to second that Ruins are pretty cool. More noise prog rock. Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > > Ruins > Henry Cow > Mike Keneally's various projects > Bruford Levin Upper Extremities > Uzed > Heldon/Richard Pinhas > > > Paolo > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 20:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03804; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:21:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <157.9c9b6da.29b182dc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:20:28 EST Subject: Re: OT: best software for simple editing on Mac? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/1/02 8:28:40 PM, tom@swirly.com writes: << the best (and cheapest) software would be for a smart layperson to edit audio on a Mac? >> PeakLE (standard edits such as normalize, cut/paste, fade in/out and others) or if plug ins are needed, Peak (full version). -Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 20:56:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05564; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:54:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:54:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020302015445.69551.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:54:45 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: OT: best software for simple editing on Mac? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <157.9c9b6da.29b182dc@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does PeakLE support SCSI sample transfers to an Ultra 6400 EOS sampler? ... not that tom asked, but I couldn't tell from their website. Stephen --- PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/1/02 8:28:40 PM, tom@swirly.com > writes: > > << the best (and cheapest) software would be for a > smart > layperson to edit audio on a Mac? >> > > PeakLE (standard edits such as normalize, cut/paste, > fade in/out and others) > or if plug ins are needed, Peak (full version). > -Paul > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 21:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07585; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:07:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:07:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: Hughes & Kettner Replex Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:08:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone using a Hughes & Kettner Replex ? sounds interesting. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 21:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09228; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:41:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:41:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:40:40 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: best software for simple editing on Mac? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020302015445.69551.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for cheap, try the OSX version of Spark LE. It's free. I don't know about scsi sample transfers though... Mark On Friday, March 1, 2002, at 05:54 PM, Stephen wrote: > Does PeakLE support SCSI sample transfers to an Ultra > 6400 EOS sampler? ... not that tom asked, but I > couldn't tell from their website. > > Stephen > > --- PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: >> >> In a message dated 3/1/02 8:28:40 PM, tom@swirly.com >> writes: >> >> << the best (and cheapest) software would be for a >> smart >> layperson to edit audio on a Mac? >> >> >> PeakLE (standard edits such as normalize, cut/paste, >> fade in/out and others) >> or if plug ins are needed, Peak (full version). >> -Paul >> > > > ===== > Stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 1 23:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17418; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:53:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:53:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C805CD2.26732FD9@bcpl.net> Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 01:55:39 -0400 From: Michael Preston/Kristin Seeberger Reply-To: seepres@bcpl.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: best software for simple editing on Mac? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have a look at the freeware, Soundhack: http://www.soundhack.com/ Michael Tom Ritchford wrote: > We are going to have a LOT of these DAT tapes from open loop and > Lena Strayhorn, my dearest dear, has volunteered to edit them down. > > Now, she's very bright but not a gear-head so I was wondering > what the best (and cheapest) software would be for a smart > layperson to edit audio on a Mac? > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 2 03:01:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28819; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:59:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:58:41 -0800 Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4FD4C4FE-2DB3-11D6-9900-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually had the pleasure to see Cheap Trick in concert. That guitar was rushed out to him by two roadies. He gave it a single strum, the roadies, came and took it away and they continued the show. Mark On Thursday, February 28, 2002, at 05:05 PM, mr monk wrote: > on 2/28/02 7:43 PM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com wrote: > >> hey check out the 5 neck guitar on their front page. >> who is that guy, and have they replaced his back yet? > > > it's definitely rick nielson with someone else's head pasted badly > on.... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 2 12:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25651; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:49:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:49:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:48:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200203021648.LAA29757@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: OT: best software for simple editing on Mac? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, looking through the suggestions and one more and will summarize results when finished for you. It seems that all these programs will do what I need and I should concentrate on reliable and cheap (in that order) on a first glance. What's appearing to be the problem is the audio in. I just want a single SPDIF in/out through USB, I don't even really care about an analog input -- but I can't find that, the best I can find is an Edirol UA 3 that has an optical digital I/O -- everything else has MANY bells and whistles and seems to cost in the $500 range. My last indulgence... any ideas on this side? /t -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 2 21:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04177; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:38:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:38:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c1c22a$2fea6530$3bf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:38:17 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: the caballero i too saw ian williams using the akai (two of 'em actually) on the american don tour. i then proceeded to buy one for myself and have since upgraded to the edp. too bad those guys split up. we do have storm and stress (from ian and topolsky) and bellini (from drum czar damon che), but i don't think they can touch don cab. in the words of che himself "no written word will be able to describe the body of work that don caballero will make" or something like that (from the magnet magazine website). i'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic but it's almost true. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 2 21:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04301; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:40:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:40:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c1c22a$8bcf2cf0$3bf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> <011301c1c0e8$ae7603c0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> <004a01c1c146$9b0ee280$9d09c5a9@azstarnet.com> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:40:51 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody listen to the band DEATH? they've got prog touches to their album "the sound of perseverance" and while they are very much death metal, they're much more listenable than most metal. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 00:57:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18907; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:55:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:55:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C81BA40.A61106D1@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 00:53:04 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Fwd: Action Alert - Musicians & Webcasting] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thought this might be of interest -------- Original Message -------- From: "Suzanne Glass" Subject: Action Alert - Musicians & Webcasting ACTION ALERT - MUSICIANS AND WEBCASTING STATUS: URGENT MUSICIANS LOBBY: http://www.musicianslobby.com/ Dear Fellow Independent Musicians and Business Professionals, Your help is needed immediately to protect independent webcasting! The US Copyright Office has recently proposed royalty rates for the webcasting of music that will put many of these stations out of the webcasting business! As an indie musician or business person, your best source of airplay will always be small, non-commercial broadcasters like college radio or independent web broadcast sites. Unfortunately, the new proposed royalty rates are too high for most small broadcasters, who will be forced to cease webcasting. In addition, the new rules also require broadcasters to post a dizzying array of information about each piece of music played, such as artist name, album name, record company release number, start time of play, end time of play, how many people are listening, and many, many other bits of data. All of this is required to be posted online in real time - during the play of the song. The technological and human resources to do this will be expensive, and small players will be forced out. How Did All This Happen? The new regulations and royalties were mandated by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) of 1998 and the Digital Performance Right in Sound Recordings Act of 1995. The copyright office was charged with recommending the specifics of the new rules. While this new royalty would be paid partly to musicians (a good thing!), it is becoming increasingly obvious that the rules will further consolidate the broadcast industry. Independents will be forced out, while huge conglomerates like Clear Channel will reap the monopoly benefits. Unfortunately, few indie artists can expect airplay from Clear Channel. We need the small independent outlets. What Can You Do? You can submit comments about these proposed rules. The copyright office does not make it easy to submit, asking that you submit 11 copies of your comments, and send them in by snail mail. To make responding easier for you, we have included a sample letter to get you started, as well as the correct mailing address to send your comments. Simply edit the letter, print and sign 11 copies, and mail them quickly! If you don't want to edit the letter, simply send it as is. It is important that we flood the copyright office with comments immediately to have a chance of reversing this troubling situation! The deadline is March 11, 2002. Act Now! ==> Links to Additional Information http://www.radiohorizon.com/index.php3?fcn=displayarticle&id=2424 http://www.loc.gov/copyright/carp/webcasting_rates.html http://www.wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,50551,00.html http://www.ruf.rice.edu/%7Ewillr/cb//sos/ ==> What Musicians Should Know About Webcasting By Suzanne Glass, Indie-Music.com suzanne@indie-music.com Have you familiarized yourself with the details of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)? This is a law passed in 1998 that attempts to address the issue of artist royalties in a world of digital distribution. While the idea of the DMCA was to protect copyright in the digital realm, the poorly written legislation threatens to crush webcasting, especially at college and community stations - that is, the stations most likely to play YOUR music. In regular broadcast radio, stations pay a royalty to songwriters for the use of their songs. For webcasting, under the new DMCA, stations will be required to pay an additional royalty to performers. While this sounds great at first, a further peek into the DMCA reveals a downside that the new payment does not make up for. First, fees for stations are expected to increase from a couple hundred dollars to $10,000 - 20,000. The fees alone will wipe out many small community and college stations. In fact, the only stations who will be able to afford to webcast will be the big corporate radio companies like Clear Channel, Radio One, or Citadel. In addition, the DMCA applies programming restrictions, limiting the ability of DJs to play the songs they like. For instance, you can only play 3 songs by any one artist in a 3 hour period. This wipes out any "box set" type of shows which might feature an artist for a whole hour or play an entire CD during the show. If the above weren't enough, the DMCA also makes demanding technical requirements for webcasting. Each song must have its complete title and credits listed online, in real-time, while the song airs. And for the listener, the DMCA will prohibit requests! As a final blow, the law as written requires stations to agree to pay "back royalties" retroactive till 1998, when the DMCA was passed. Problem is, the royalty rate has yet to be set, so stations have no idea what their final bill will be. This unknown has already caused many small stations to stop webcasting. As an independent musician, it's in your best interest to keep these smaller stations (the ones that actually PLAY indie music) on the air. We need MORE variety, not more "X" corporate rock stations. ==> Copyright Office Info SUMMARY: The Copyright Office of the Library of Congress is issuing a notice of proposed rulemaking on the requirements for giving copyright owners reasonable notice of the use of their works for sound recordings under statutory license and for how records of such use shall be kept and made available to copyright owners. The Digital Performance Right in Sound Recordings Act of 1995 and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act enacted in 1998 require the Office to adopt these regulations. DATES: Comments are due by March 11, 2002. Reply comments are due by April 8, 2002. ADDRESSES: An original and ten copies of any comment shall be delivered to: Office of the General Counsel, Copyright Office, James Madison Building, Room LM-403, First and Independence Avenue, SE, Washington, DC; or mailed to: Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (CARP), P.O. Box 70977, Southwest Station, Washington, DC 20024-0977. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: David O. Carson, General Counsel, or Tanya Sandros, Senior Attorney, Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel, P.O. Box 70977, Southwest Station, Washington, DC 20024-0977. Telephone: (202) 707-8380. Telefax: (202) 252-3423. Text http://www.loc.gov/copyright/fedreg/2002/67fr5761.html PDF http://www.loc.gov/copyright/fedreg/2002/67fr5761.pdf Copyright Office URL http://www.loc.gov/copyright ==> Send 11 Copies of Comments To: David O. Carson, General Counsel Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (CARP) P.O. Box 70977, Southwest Station Washington, DC 20024-0977 ==> Sample Letter February 26, 2002 David O. Carson, General Counsel Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (CARP) P.O. Box 70977, Southwest Station Washington, DC 20024-0977 Dear Mr. Carson, I am writing to submit comments on the proposed rulemaking for webcasting rates. As a musician and copyright owner, I fully support the rights of parties to protect their intellectual property. However, the royalty rates as currently proposed will have a negative and injurious effect on my ability to make a living. I am an independent musician, which means I am not signed to a major record label, and instead operate as a small business. Crucial to the success of my business is the ability to receive radio and web broadcasts of my music. If I cannot get my product to the market through airplay, my business may not survive. It has become harder and harder for independent musicians to receive this crucial airplay in the last several years due to massive consolidation in the broadcast industry, and the proposed webcasting royalty rates will future complicate this problem. Because of budgetary concerns, independent musicians typically receive airplay only from independent broadcast sources that are willing to experiment with "unknown" music. These broadcast outlets, both non-commercial/college radio and internet webcast sites, are most often small micro-businesses - the very businesses that will not be able to afford the proposed webcasting rates. Additionally, the reporting requirements will beyond the abilities of the small broadcasters, both technically and financially. The proposed rates are likely to drive many small broadcasters out of business, while only large broadcasters will be able to afford the webcasting royalty fees. The negative effects of this situation are difficult to overestimate for the small business musician, and for this reason, I ask you to reconsider the proposed royalty rates and bring them down to a level that small broadcasters can afford. Sincerely, Your Name MUSICIANS LOBBY: http://www.musicianslobby.com/ Musicians Lobby is a free service for musicians brought to you by Indie-Music.com http://www.indie-music.com -- ******************************************** Indie-Music.com ~ Save Time & Promote Your Music Free! 1000's of contacts for musicians, no cost, no hassles. **** Where Serious Musicians Surf **** ******************************************** ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 09:04:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21147; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:03:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:03:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c1c2bd$11e4cf60$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com><011301c1c0e8$ae7603c0$1607c5a9@azstarnet.com> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:09:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah. And someone else threw John Coltrane into the mix! Don't ask the members of this list for a cup of sugar. You're liable to get everything from foot powder to Comet cleanser. Hehehe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) > as i happened to say before, > > >...although i'm still fuzzy on what > >: exactly a 'prog' rock band is... > >: > > and since bands like Tool and The Ventures got thrown into the mix as well... > > i will say thank you, David, for grilling me on my inaccuracies of > lumping krautrock and spacerock bands into the prog-rock genre. > > heartfelt apologies all around. > > rich > > > > > > > >: > >: Can > >: Neu! > >: Amon Duul > >: Tangerine Dream > >: Hawkwind > > > >Can, Neu!, and Amon Duul II fall under Krautrock, not prog, with Amon Duul > >II (and Amon Duul I also, I'd say) falling sideways into spacerock. > > > >Tangerine Dream never fit into the prog-rock category, either. > >Electronic-experimental initially, then various forms of ambient, and, > >finally, some flavors of New Age. > > > >Hawkwind are definitely not prog. Spacerock all the way, those boys. One > >of a kind, despite all the personnel changes. > > > >Van Der Graaf Generator/Van Der Graaf fell in and out of the prog-rock and > >spacerock categories, but as they tended to be all over the place, I would > >hesitate to use the prog label as a focus. Both the drummer and sax/flute > >player were quite accomplished jazz players, the keyboards player went on to > >build organs for churches, and the vocalist, Peter Hammill, turned up at one > >point with an opera in hand. > > > >David > >http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 09:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21450; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:04:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:04:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c1c2bd$4a123800$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> <004b01c1c0ba$ab6a3940$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <3C7FA27A.40096F4C@pa.msu.edu> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:11:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> But are the love songs as good as N-SYNC's? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McIntyre" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) > Butch wrote: > > > What about "An electric Storm in Hell" by White Noise? I haven't heard it > > but a lot of people talk about it. Or is it hype? > > Mostly hype. The second side is an electronic freak-out, but the first side is > sappy love songs. > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre@pa.msu.edu > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 13:34:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05187; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:32:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:32:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 18:32:17 +0000 Subject: Steve LaFosse/Andre Lawson - the chimera! From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>>Fair enough, S-Man, as I've been playing in a looping duo with a keyboardist lately. I guess now we need to see which one of us can cop as many tricks as possible from the other's bag! ;) (I expect we'll be utterly indistiguishable from one another around 2007...)<<< I think I'd do better out of that exchange that you would... :o) tell us more about your duo - any gigs planned that I can get really miffed at not being able to get to. BTW, talking of duos with keyboard players, my duo CD with Jez Carr will be out in April, and there'll be another track from it posted at http://www.bassically.net in a couple of days time, along with an interview with me, and a live track from the Knitting Factory gig in January... We're mastering the CD in Abbey Road next week, the artwork is done, and it'll be off to be pressed in about a week! There are already two tracks in real audio form on my website, which at the moment, due to glitchy web-hosting thingies is best found through http://www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk >>>Congratulations on the acquisition! I think you'll find the shift from DL4 to EDP similar to going from a scientific calculator to a Pentium 4 PC. Hint of the decade: Quantize changes EVERYTHING.<<< Well, there are still quite a few things that I can do with the DL4 that can't be done on the EDP, but I am loving delving into the EDP - I'm just beginning to scratch the Quantize surface. I've already rearranged quite a few of my tunes to feature some EDP related jiggery-pokery - much fun all round. >>>By the way, I haven't been able to access your site via the standard URL for several days now... Wha'appen?<<< Big server crash last week, not good, but site is now accessable again, and proper URL should be working again soon - for now it's http://www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk >>Yours is transcontinental EDP-mongering down-homeyness,<< nuff respec' Steve www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.users.zetnet.co.uk/stevelawson www.anythingelsethatmightpossiblypointtothewebspaceIpayfor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 13:41:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05820; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:40:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:40:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.184] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 18:39:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2002 18:39:50.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD1E7F90:01C1C2E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi Hans, thanks for all you did for Loopstock....you and this event will long be remembered!!I might have left my water jug a half gallon one with my name on it and  a bag of goodies fig cookies, liqorice and candy bars....give them to Rick or Bill Walker if you get this.... there was a quart of Nancy's yogert in the bag too.  Peace and Blessings to you....

                   Love, Papa Dave




Hi there,Peace to All who enter here,  Love Dave
>From: "Hans Lindauer"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>CC:
>Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address???
>Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:06:14 -0800
>
>Howdy-
>
>The venue is at 778 Francis Street, San Luis Obispo.
>
>How's this for a URL:
>
>http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=s&mapdata=xU4YXdELrnClf5b2Fi28PQt
>WiSgoWz6EqXl%2bu0WUpy8R4Qsuc6kKvpbRy8SfxqmO9d4ok1Wlz7wb%2ftOQYoOUTA%2b3kJY5B
>DgJGTPWbSailbeainTl3slsCj8IUwFtbn5rBfxSQfgA8PL4WN%2bFZ%2bXR7S3d0ppa6FJw9XiAG
>PRCdfUwfKjdNVx28gBysSIcsL%2bemUrwbfffzTpH2Lb2e%2fHc2SkxzPzf9DDxMvFcp4atXzlka
>0fNgZC9A91EnRzIZcFdCfbsm8jAZ0g7xO9w8DZ4lmDqlfUf9QoSxq4jMBoCHP8Nt4o%2bMQoc2Xq
>fdpgx5ciimtt72NvgK9Wfgcyk0DOVDDAfz5liMp8Cd7HsrHm0o2eUq6q8VwoC%2fW0igu733PAf
>
>-Hans
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Potter"
>To:
>Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:50 PM
>Subject: Map to Loopstock??? Address???
>
>
> > Several of us are looking for a map to Loopstock. Does anyone have one?
>Or
> > at least the address to make a yahoo map...Om and Out Papa Dave
> > papadave55@hotmail.com
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 13:52:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06580; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:51:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:51:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.184] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopstock 2002... Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 18:50:27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2002 18:50:27.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[49101F90:01C1C2E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

oops thought that my message was going to Hans sorry..

      ..Loopstock was wonderful....much loopage and friendship...Loopers-Delight legends  Kim Flint, Mattias Grob, Rick and Bill Walker, Andre Lafosse, Stanitarium, Max, Dr Z, Ted and Dr Bob's great loop adverture and many more I can't remember them all.  Hope tihis was just the begining....(and I was at the first one)...nice to put faces to the cyber tags......see ya next time.......Om and Out,   Papa Dave




Hi there,Peace to All who enter here,  Love Dave
>From: "Hans Lindauer"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>CC:
>Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address???
>Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:06:14 -0800
>
>Howdy-
>
>The venue is at 778 Francis Street, San Luis Obispo.
>
>How's this for a URL:
>
>http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=s&mapdata=xU4YXdELrnClf5b2Fi28PQt
>WiSgoWz6EqXl%2bu0WUpy8R4Qsuc6kKvpbRy8SfxqmO9d4ok1Wlz7wb%2ftOQYoOUTA%2b3kJY5B
>DgJGTPWbSailbeainTl3slsCj8IUwFtbn5rBfxSQfgA8PL4WN%2bFZ%2bXR7S3d0ppa6FJw9XiAG
>PRCdfUwfKjdNVx28gBysSIcsL%2bemUrwbfffzTpH2Lb2e%2fHc2SkxzPzf9DDxMvFcp4atXzlka
>0fNgZC9A91EnRzIZcFdCfbsm8jAZ0g7xO9w8DZ4lmDqlfUf9QoSxq4jMBoCHP8Nt4o%2bMQoc2Xq
>fdpgx5ciimtt72NvgK9Wfgcyk0DOVDDAfz5liMp8Cd7HsrHm0o2eUq6q8VwoC%2fW0igu733PAf
>
>-Hans
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Potter"
>To:
>Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:50 PM
>Subject: Map to Loopstock??? Address???
>
>
> > Several of us are looking for a map to Loopstock. Does anyone have one?
>Or
> > at least the address to make a yahoo map...Om and Out Papa Dave
> > papadave55@hotmail.com
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
> > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
> >
>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 14:12:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08552; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:11:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:11:19 -0500 Subject: monk greenbelt... From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve, i hate to be a pest.. but can you give me an update about greenbelt? jj has been, shall we say, less than communicative.... thanks for your patience. ric -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 14:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10156; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:40:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:40:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.d3df27b.29b3d5f2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:39:30 EST Subject: SMOKERS To: multistringbassist@yahoogroups.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11c.d3df27b.29b3d5f2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11c.d3df27b.29b3d5f2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I envy any of you who have the opportunity to play smoke free clubs! There is NO such thing where I live in MONTANA. I have a VERY common condition of a heightened allergic reaction to small dust particles ... and I am a musician and a wood worker by day... (go figure) Cigarette smoke is the worst for me, and gives me ear infections often if I'm gigging a lot... Three gigs this week and now I'm getting a sore throat... My favorite Internet quote I have ever read is... A smoking section in a restaurant, is like a peeing section in a pool! Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Blah, blah, blah --part1_11c.d3df27b.29b3d5f2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I envy any of you who have the opportunity to play smoke free clubs! There is NO such thing where I live in MONTANA. I have a VERY common condition of a heightened allergic reaction to small dust particles ... and I am a musician and a wood worker by day...  (go figure)

Cigarette smoke is the worst for me, and gives me ear infections often if I'm gigging a lot...

Three gigs this week and now I'm getting a sore throat...

My favorite Internet quote I have ever read is...

A smoking section in a restaurant, is like a peeing section in a pool!


Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
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--part1_11c.d3df27b.29b3d5f2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 15:10:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12696; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:09:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:09:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Dvbraeutig@aol.com Message-ID: <11b.c9780f5.29b3dcc5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:08:37 EST Subject: Re: SMOKERS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard its like "The chlorinated and non chlorinated section in the pools." Ahahahahha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 15:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13161; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:19:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:19:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:18:59 -0500 Subject: Re: SMOKERS Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as a smoker (about 5 cigs a day), i want to mention that i NEVER smoke in restaurants or other public places where i feel i might offend those other folks who are smart enough to not smoke. when i saw k.c. at the house of blues, (i suppose) the band requested that there be no smoking in the club. it was the most enjoyable atmosphere... unfortunately, not everybody is quite so polite. there's not much worse than smelling cigarette smoke while i'm trying to enjoy a meal. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 15:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13658; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:29:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:29:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:28:42 EST Subject: Md. Eastern Shore Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <4DlPLB.A.RVD.eeog8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any LD members live in the St. Michael's/Cambridge area of the Maryland Eastern Shore? - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 18:08:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22975; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:07:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:07:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Skylabpr@aol.com Message-ID: <186.43d4910.29b40664@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:06:12 EST Subject: edp question To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI there! does any body know how to use 2 plexes in a jam man style? that is : multilple loops in stereo, Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 18:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25172; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:48:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:48:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <18a.43acc4e.29b4101a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:47:38 EST Subject: Re: edp question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18a.43acc4e.29b4101a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_18a.43acc4e.29b4101a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skylabpr@aol.com writes: HI there! does any body know how to use 2 plexes in a jam man style? that is : multilple loops in stereo, Thanks GBC writes back: Hey, I do that.... Here is a generic description of my set up that I had written a while back for my MP3 page... It's a bit specific on the gear but it will describe my method of plugging it all in ... and I don't really feel like editing it down... For my current method of setup, I run my instrument into a Dimarzio brand cable. >From the Dimarzio cable, into a BOSS TU-2 tuner. >From the BOSS TU-2 tuner, into a Digitech "TALKER" >From the Digitech "TALKER" into a MORLEY "Little Alligator" volume pedal. >From the MORLEY "Little Alligator" volume pedal, I split the signal by way of a MORLEY ABY splitter. >From the MORLEY ABY splitter, my signal takes two separate paths from here on out. For the rest of this description I will refer to them as the "BASS" or "LEFT" channel, and the "Guitar" or "RIGHT" channel. "BASS" or "LEFT" channel: >From the MORLEY ABY splitter, into an EBS OctaBass pedal. >From an EBS OctaBass pedal, into an EBS BASSiq pedal. >From an EBS BASSiq pedal, into a MORLEY Dual Bass Wah Model PBA-2 >From the MORLEY Dual Bass Wah Model PBA-2, into one Gibson EDP ECHOPLEX unit. >From the Gibson EDP ECHOPLEX unit, into track 1 on a ROLAND VS-880. >From the ROLAND VS-880, into the Stewart 2.1 power amp >From the Stewart 2.1 power amp, into the other AccuGroove "El Whappo". >From the AccuGroove "El Whappo", into your ears and your chest! "Guitar" or "RIGHT" channel: >From the MORLEY ABY splitter, into a Digitech Whammy pedal. >From the Digitech Whammy pedal, into another MORLEY ABY splitter. (I run the direct out into "A" and the "wet" out into "B") >From the MORLEY ABY splitter, into a MORLEY pro series II Distortion/Wah/Volume Model PDW-II. >From the MORLEY Distortion/Wah/Volume, into another Gibson EDP ECHOPLEX unit. >From the Gibson EDP ECHOPLEX unit, into track 2 on the ROLAND VS-880. >From the ROLAND VS-880, into the Stewart 2.1 power amp >From the Stewart 2.1 power amp, into the other AccuGroove "El Whappo". >From the AccuGroove "El Whappo", into your other ears and your other chest! I have since found several ways to isolate two separate EDP's so that I can have them rhythmically antagonize and or compliment one another from opposite sides of the stereo field... I love it, and feel that is the only way for me! I have also added an Ampeg Billy Sheehan pre-amp somewhere in the front of the line... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Blah, blah, blah --part1_18a.43acc4e.29b4101a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skylabpr@aol.com writes:
HI there!
does any body know how to use 2 plexes in a jam man style?
that is : multilple loops in stereo,
Thanks

GBC writes back:
Hey, I do that.... Here is a generic description of my set up that I had written a while back for my MP3 page... It's a bit specific on the gear but it will describe my method of plugging it all in ... and I don't really feel like editing it down...

For my current method of setup, I run my instrument into a Dimarzio brand cable.
>From the Dimarzio cable, into a BOSS TU-2 tuner.
>From the BOSS TU-2 tuner, into a Digitech "TALKER"
>From the Digitech "TALKER" into a MORLEY "Little Alligator" volume pedal.
>From the MORLEY "Little Alligator" volume pedal, I split the signal by way of a MORLEY ABY splitter.
>From the MORLEY ABY splitter, my signal takes two separate paths from here on out.
For the rest of this description I will refer to them as the "BASS" or "LEFT" channel, and the "Guitar" or "RIGHT" channel.

"BASS" or "LEFT" channel:
>From the MORLEY ABY splitter, into an EBS OctaBass pedal.
>From an EBS OctaBass pedal, into an EBS BASSiq pedal.
>From an EBS BASSiq pedal, into a MORLEY Dual Bass Wah Model PBA-2
>From the MORLEY Dual Bass Wah Model PBA-2, into one Gibson EDP ECHOPLEX unit.
>From the Gibson EDP ECHOPLEX unit, into track 1 on a ROLAND VS-880.
>From the ROLAND VS-880, into the Stewart 2.1 power amp
>From the Stewart 2.1 power amp, into the other AccuGroove "El Whappo".
>From the AccuGroove "El Whappo", into your ears and your chest!

"Guitar" or "RIGHT" channel:
>From the MORLEY ABY splitter, into a Digitech Whammy pedal.
>From the Digitech Whammy pedal, into another MORLEY ABY splitter.
(I run the direct out into "A" and the "wet" out into "B")
>From the MORLEY ABY splitter, into a MORLEY pro series II Distortion/Wah/Volume Model PDW-II.
>From the MORLEY Distortion/Wah/Volume, into another Gibson EDP ECHOPLEX unit.
>From the Gibson EDP ECHOPLEX unit, into track 2 on the ROLAND VS-880.
>From the ROLAND VS-880, into the Stewart 2.1 power amp
>From the Stewart 2.1 power amp, into the other AccuGroove "El Whappo".
>From the AccuGroove "El Whappo", into your other ears and your other chest!

I have since found several ways to isolate two separate EDP's so that I can have them rhythmically antagonize and or compliment one another from opposite sides of the stereo field...

I love it, and feel that is the only way for me!

I have also added an Ampeg Billy Sheehan pre-amp somewhere in the front of the line...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Blah, blah, blah --part1_18a.43acc4e.29b4101a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 19:57:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28399; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:51:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:51:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:04:34 -0800 Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2236A044-2DB4-11D6-9900-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't forget a lot of Bill Laswell and co. stuff also can be prog-rock, though most of it is more dance/ambient lately, his early stuff fell in to the above genera IMO. Mark On Friday, March 1, 2002, at 06:42 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > Nice choices, I was going to suggest those. I'd also add: > > Echolyn (similar to Gentle Giant, but better production) > > Mike Patton's projects (imagine Felini playing prog-rock): > > Fantomas > Three Chiefs > Mr. Bungle > > How about Radiohead? If Kid A and Amnesiac aren't progressive for a rock > band, I don't know what is. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Alexander McDonald [mailto:stree@azstarnet.com] > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:08 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy Fowler" > > : digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc > from > > Ozric Tentacles. > Porcupine Trees > Spock's Beard > > I had a whole list of these a little while ago. > > David > http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 20:23:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30764; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:22:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:22:10 -0800 Subject: Beware LOOP POLICE! Re: Loopstock 2002... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-390508796 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <403F47E9-2F0E-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-390508796 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, for those of you that have not heard the story... We leave our apt, 10 AM Loopstock morning, and for time sake, we hit a=20= cafe for some speed. I happen to ask my lovely wife, "You've got the=20 directions, right?" To which she replies, (of course) "I thought you=20 had them." I leave her there to continue on our coffee run, and head=20 back to the domicile. When I get to my apt, what do I see in front? =20 Two unsavory looking blokes, hell bent for trouble, no doubt. One=20 waring... A Looper's Delight teeshirt. HOLY SHIT! It's KIM FLINT! I must be in trouble from the LOOPER=20 police! WHAT THE HELL IS KIM FLINT DOING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE IN=20 ALAMEDA!? Well, he's there visiting Gary Hall, Lexicon loop gear developer! Who,=20= I find out, is my neighbor! Ah ah ha h hahh ha ha h ha h h ahahhah. =20= Small world, big science. We all drive down to San Lois Obispo and loop happily ever after. The end. Mark Sottilaro (P.S. watch yourself, Kim may have just been spying on me to get the=20 secrets of the Againinator.) One is wearing a On Sunday, March 3, 2002, at 06:50 PM, David Potter wrote: > oops thought that my message was going to Hans sorry.. > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ..Loopstock was wonderful....much loopage and=20 > friendship...Loopers-Delight legends=A0 Kim Flint, Mattias Grob, Rick = and=20 > Bill Walker, Andre Lafosse, Stanitarium, Max, Dr Z, Ted and Dr Bob's=20= > great loop adverture and many more I can't remember them all.=A0 Hope=20= > tihis was just the begining....(and I was at the first one)...nice to=20= > put faces to the cyber tags......see ya next time.......Om and Out,=A0=A0= =20 > Papa Dave > > > > > > > Hi there,Peace to All who enter here,=A0 Love Dave > > > > > > >From: "Hans Lindauer" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? > > >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:06:14 -0800 > > > > > >Howdy- > > > > > >The venue is at 778 Francis Street, San Luis Obispo. > > > > > >How's this for a URL: > > > > > = >http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=3Ds&mapdata=3DxU4YXdELrnClf5b2= Fi28PQt > > = >WiSgoWz6EqXl%2bu0WUpy8R4Qsuc6kKvpbRy8SfxqmO9d4ok1Wlz7wb%2ftOQYoOUTA%2b3kJ= Y5B > > = >DgJGTPWbSailbeainTl3slsCj8IUwFtbn5rBfxSQfgA8PL4WN%2bFZ%2bXR7S3d0ppa6FJw9X= iAG > > = >PRCdfUwfKjdNVx28gBysSIcsL%2bemUrwbfffzTpH2Lb2e%2fHc2SkxzPzf9DDxMvFcp4atXz= lka > > = >0fNgZC9A91EnRzIZcFdCfbsm8jAZ0g7xO9w8DZ4lmDqlfUf9QoSxq4jMBoCHP8Nt4o%2bMQoc= 2Xq > > = >fdpgx5ciimtt72NvgK9Wfgcyk0DOVDDAfz5liMp8Cd7HsrHm0o2eUq6q8VwoC%2fW0igu733P= Af > > > > > >-Hans > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "David Potter" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:50 PM > > >Subject: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? > > > > > > > > > > Several of us are looking for a map to Loopstock. Does anyone have=20= > one? > > >Or > > > > at least the address to make a yahoo map...Om and Out Papa Dave > > > > papadave55@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > Join the world=EDs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here --Apple-Mail-1-390508796 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK, for those of you that have not heard the story... We leave our apt, 10 AM Loopstock morning, and for time sake, we hit a cafe for some speed. I happen to ask my lovely wife, "You've got the directions, right?" To which she replies, (of course) "I thought you had them." I leave her there to continue on our coffee run, and head back to the domicile. When I get to my apt, what do I see in front?=20 Two unsavory looking blokes, hell bent for trouble, no doubt. One waring... A Looper's Delight teeshirt. HOLY SHIT! It's KIM FLINT! I must be in trouble from the LOOPER police! WHAT THE HELL IS KIM FLINT DOING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE IN ALAMEDA!? Well, he's there visiting Gary Hall, Lexicon loop gear developer!=20 Who, I find out, is my neighbor! Ah ah ha h hahh ha ha h ha h h ahahhah. Small world, big science. We all drive down to San Lois Obispo and loop happily ever after. The end. Mark Sottilaro (P.S. watch yourself, Kim may have just been spying on me to get the secrets of the Againinator.) One is wearing a On Sunday, March 3, 2002, at 06:50 PM, David Potter wrote: oops thought that my message was going to Hans sorry.. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ..Loopstock was wonderful....much loopage and friendship...Loopers-Delight legends=A0 Kim Flint, Mattias Grob, Rick and Bill Walker, Andre Lafosse, Stanitarium, Max, Dr Z, Ted and Dr Bob's great loop adverture and many more I can't remember them all.=A0 Hope tihis was just the begining....(and I was at the first one)...nice to put faces to the cyber tags......see ya next time.......Om and Out,=A0=A0 Papa Dave Hi there,Peace to All who enter here,=A0 Love Dave=20 >From: "Hans Lindauer"=20 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To:=20 >CC:=20 >Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:06:14 -0800 > >Howdy- > >The venue is at 778 Francis Street, San Luis Obispo. > >How's this for a URL: > = >http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=3Ds&mapdata=3DxU4YXdELrnClf5b2= Fi28PQt = >WiSgoWz6EqXl%2bu0WUpy8R4Qsuc6kKvpbRy8SfxqmO9d4ok1Wlz7wb%2ftOQYoOUTA%2b3kJ= Y5B = >DgJGTPWbSailbeainTl3slsCj8IUwFtbn5rBfxSQfgA8PL4WN%2bFZ%2bXR7S3d0ppa6FJw9X= iAG = >PRCdfUwfKjdNVx28gBysSIcsL%2bemUrwbfffzTpH2Lb2e%2fHc2SkxzPzf9DDxMvFcp4atXz= lka = >0fNgZC9A91EnRzIZcFdCfbsm8jAZ0g7xO9w8DZ4lmDqlfUf9QoSxq4jMBoCHP8Nt4o%2bMQoc= 2Xq = >fdpgx5ciimtt72NvgK9Wfgcyk0DOVDDAfz5liMp8Cd7HsrHm0o2eUq6q8VwoC%2fW0igu733P= Af > >-Hans > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Potter"=20 >To:=20 >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:50 PM >Subject: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? > > > > Several of us are looking for a map to Loopstock. Does anyone have one? >Or > > at least the address to make a yahoo map...Om and Out Papa Dave > > papadave55@hotmail.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > =20 =20 Join the world=EDs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. 1999,1999,FFFFClick Here = --Apple-Mail-1-390508796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 20:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31512; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:31:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:31:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:30:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock 2002... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-391037217 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7B35BBDE-2F0F-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <8VSJHC.A.yrH.V5sg8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-391037217 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Oh and by the way, what an AMAZING TIME IT WAS! Such performances! So=20= diverse! We in the SF bay area need to make this a monthly thing, at=20 the very least! (let's do it a bit closer to home, eh?) the great thing was, when the power cords got yanked out of my Mo-FX and=20= Vortex, instead of my usual panic, I thought, "Oh, these guys understand=20= more than anyone..." Thanks again Hans! Hans, btw, I'm seriously worried about the=20 possibility of you getting a hernia. DAMN do you have gear! An=20 impressive showing of force, but I left thinking, "I wonder if they=20 could have done much the same show with 2 turntables, mics, two iBooks,=20= and an EDP or so..." I think Jon Wagner (his performance with Mattias Grob made me weep, I=20= swear!) made a dat of the whole thing. Jon, if you need a system to=20 edit it down on, I make my MOTU DP3 system open to you for post=20 production. I'd love to have a recording of this amazing event. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, March 3, 2002, at 06:50 PM, David Potter wrote: > oops thought that my message was going to Hans sorry.. > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ..Loopstock was wonderful....much loopage and=20 > friendship...Loopers-Delight legends=A0 Kim Flint, Mattias Grob, Rick = and=20 > Bill Walker, Andre Lafosse, Stanitarium, Max, Dr Z, Ted and Dr Bob's=20= > great loop adverture and many more I can't remember them all.=A0 Hope=20= > tihis was just the begining....(and I was at the first one)...nice to=20= > put faces to the cyber tags......see ya next time.......Om and Out,=A0=A0= =20 > Papa Dave > > > > > > > Hi there,Peace to All who enter here,=A0 Love Dave > > > > > > >From: "Hans Lindauer" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? > > >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:06:14 -0800 > > > > > >Howdy- > > > > > >The venue is at 778 Francis Street, San Luis Obispo. > > > > > >How's this for a URL: > > > > > = >http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=3Ds&mapdata=3DxU4YXdELrnClf5b2= Fi28PQt > > = >WiSgoWz6EqXl%2bu0WUpy8R4Qsuc6kKvpbRy8SfxqmO9d4ok1Wlz7wb%2ftOQYoOUTA%2b3kJ= Y5B > > = >DgJGTPWbSailbeainTl3slsCj8IUwFtbn5rBfxSQfgA8PL4WN%2bFZ%2bXR7S3d0ppa6FJw9X= iAG > > = >PRCdfUwfKjdNVx28gBysSIcsL%2bemUrwbfffzTpH2Lb2e%2fHc2SkxzPzf9DDxMvFcp4atXz= lka > > = >0fNgZC9A91EnRzIZcFdCfbsm8jAZ0g7xO9w8DZ4lmDqlfUf9QoSxq4jMBoCHP8Nt4o%2bMQoc= 2Xq > > = >fdpgx5ciimtt72NvgK9Wfgcyk0DOVDDAfz5liMp8Cd7HsrHm0o2eUq6q8VwoC%2fW0igu733P= Af > > > > > >-Hans > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "David Potter" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:50 PM > > >Subject: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? > > > > > > > > > > Several of us are looking for a map to Loopstock. Does anyone have=20= > one? > > >Or > > > > at least the address to make a yahoo map...Om and Out Papa Dave > > > > papadave55@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > Join the world=EDs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here --Apple-Mail-2-391037217 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh and by the way, what an AMAZING TIME IT WAS! Such performances!=20 So diverse! We in the SF bay area need to make this a monthly thing, at the very least! (let's do it a bit closer to home, eh?) the great thing was, when the power cords got yanked out of my Mo-FX and Vortex, instead of my usual panic, I thought, "Oh, these guys understand more than anyone..." Thanks again Hans! Hans, btw, I'm seriously worried about the possibility of you getting a hernia. DAMN do you have gear! An impressive showing of force, but I left thinking, "I wonder if they could have done much the same show with 2 turntables, mics, two iBooks, and an EDP or so..." I think Jon Wagner (his performance with 0000,0000,0000Mattias Grob0000,0000,DEDE made me weep, I swear!) made a dat of the whole thing. Jon, if you need a system to edit it down on, I make my MOTU DP3 system open to you for post production. I'd love to have a recording of this amazing event. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, March 3, 2002, at 06:50 PM, David Potter wrote: oops thought that my message was going to Hans sorry.. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ..Loopstock was wonderful....much loopage and friendship...Loopers-Delight legends=A0 Kim Flint, Mattias Grob, Rick and Bill Walker, Andre Lafosse, Stanitarium, Max, Dr Z, Ted and Dr Bob's great loop adverture and many more I can't remember them all.=A0 Hope tihis was just the begining....(and I was at the first one)...nice to put faces to the cyber tags......see ya next time.......Om and Out,=A0=A0 Papa Dave Hi there,Peace to All who enter here,=A0 Love Dave=20 >From: "Hans Lindauer"=20 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To:=20 >CC:=20 >Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:06:14 -0800 > >Howdy- > >The venue is at 778 Francis Street, San Luis Obispo. > >How's this for a URL: > = >http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=3Ds&mapdata=3DxU4YXdELrnClf5b2= Fi28PQt = >WiSgoWz6EqXl%2bu0WUpy8R4Qsuc6kKvpbRy8SfxqmO9d4ok1Wlz7wb%2ftOQYoOUTA%2b3kJ= Y5B = >DgJGTPWbSailbeainTl3slsCj8IUwFtbn5rBfxSQfgA8PL4WN%2bFZ%2bXR7S3d0ppa6FJw9X= iAG = >PRCdfUwfKjdNVx28gBysSIcsL%2bemUrwbfffzTpH2Lb2e%2fHc2SkxzPzf9DDxMvFcp4atXz= lka = >0fNgZC9A91EnRzIZcFdCfbsm8jAZ0g7xO9w8DZ4lmDqlfUf9QoSxq4jMBoCHP8Nt4o%2bMQoc= 2Xq = >fdpgx5ciimtt72NvgK9Wfgcyk0DOVDDAfz5liMp8Cd7HsrHm0o2eUq6q8VwoC%2fW0igu733P= Af > >-Hans > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Potter"=20 >To:=20 >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:50 PM >Subject: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? > > > > Several of us are looking for a map to Loopstock. Does anyone have one? >Or > > at least the address to make a yahoo map...Om and Out Papa Dave > > papadave55@hotmail.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > =20 =20 Join the world=EDs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. 1999,1999,FFFFClick Here = --Apple-Mail-2-391037217-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 3 22:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07383; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:43:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:43:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock 2002... Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 03:42:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2002 03:42:47.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6E56D10:01C1C32E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think Jon Wagner (his performance with Mattias Grob made me weep, I >swear!) made a dat of the whole thing. Thanks for the kind words Mark! This weekend and the days leading up to it, were extremely special for me. About the recordings, I have several DAT tapes to wade through. I am sure we missed Stan Card and Steven Rice's performance as my DAT recorder arrived a little too late. I don't recall how much of Mark Hamburg's performance is on tape. To the best of my knowledge I think we've got everything else. I sincerely apologize to those if their performances are incomplete, but this is the way things turned out. I'll be importing everything to my computer and separating out each performance. As per Rick's post, I have decided not to release any performances without the express permission of the performer/s. I will be contacting each of the performers in the next few days to see how we will procede. Kim has volunteered to place .mp3 files on the web site for those that want their music public. My quick review of loopstock: -Amazing group of people with an excellent vibe in the room. -Every single performer had multiple moments that really connected with the crowd on many levels. -Each performance was truly different from the others, and inspiring in its own way. -Many performers experienced technical difficulties which we all understood, all performers overcame them with grace and style. -The amount of talent in the room was probably sending the earth off its axis. 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Blah, blah, blah --part1_171.9c0c00c.29b46798_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 01:24:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25071; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:23:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:23:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:22:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Beware LOOP POLICE! Re: Loopstock 2002... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <417459A5-2F38-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Say "Hello" yourself, he's subscribed to this list now. Mark On Sunday, March 3, 2002, at 09:52 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >> >> >> Well, he's there visiting Gary Hall, Lexicon loop gear developer! Who, >> I find out, is my neighbor! Ah ah ha h hahh ha ha h ha h h ahahhah. >> Small world, big science. > > Well, say hello to Gary Hall for me. > -- > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the > world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of > the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a > fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 01:54:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01749; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:53:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:52:39 -0800 Subject: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6ADE838B-2F3C-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <6BUoDC.A.TV.5mxg8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I found myself asking the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller way to do this?" What I'm basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo based delay, flange and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one unit, perferably a single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't really all that relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I can control via midi are better for me. Roland makes a cool little number, designed for DJs, but it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for my dream of a guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out there? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 03:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31839; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 03:07:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 03:07:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020304080705.92105.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:07:05 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6ADE838B-2F3C-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it, Alesis is coming out with a single space rack unit called AKIRA. I think it's supposed to sell for around $250. I'm wondering if it's a rack version of their INEKO processor. If so, it would have filter & vocoder effects as well as delay & reverb. http://www.alesis.com/news/press/Ineko.html The only other things I can think of are the Eventide Eclipse, a used Korg AM8000R (don't know if it does vocoder), maybe the Lexicon MPX-1 (again, vocoder??). Which Roland device were you considering? John --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I > found myself asking > the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller way to > do this?" What I'm > basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo > based delay, flange > and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one > unit, perferably a > single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't > really all that > relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I can > control via midi are > better for me. Roland makes a cool little number, > designed for DJs, but > it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for my > dream of a > guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out > there? > > Mark Sottilaro > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 03:47:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06810; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 03:46:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 03:46:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:45:03 -0800 Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? From: e o To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ADE838B-2F3C-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, Really fun show you guys put on there! The Againinator made all the difference! In response to your query (I'm wondering this for myself as well), perhaps the TC Fireworx is worthwhile checking into... maybe? It is pricey, fer sher. I'm not sure if it has a vocoder inside. e o -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) On 3/3/02 10:52 PM, "Mark Sottilaro" wrote: > Hey, > > after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I found myself asking > the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller way to do this?" What I'm > basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo based delay, flange > and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one unit, perferably a > single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't really all that > relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I can control via midi are > better for me. Roland makes a cool little number, designed for DJs, but > it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for my dream of a > guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out there? > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 07:21:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19343; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:20:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:20:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c1c377$01497380$be50e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <20020304080705.92105.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:20:42 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Although I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it, > Alesis is coming out with a single space rack unit > called AKIRA. I think it's supposed to sell for > around $250. I'm wondering if it's a rack version of > their INEKO processor. If so, it would have filter & > vocoder effects as well as delay & reverb. > > http://www.alesis.com/news/press/Ineko.html > I believe this is a tabletop - not a rack unit. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Hey, > > > > after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I > > found myself asking > > the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller way to > > do this?" What I'm > > basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo > > based delay, flange > > and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one > > unit, perferably a > > single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't > > really all that > > relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I can > > control via midi are > > better for me. Roland makes a cool little number, > > designed for DJs, but > > it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for my > > dream of a > > guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out > > there? > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 08:04:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22504; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:03:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:03:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c1c397$65c3e6e0$31a37ed8@waldo> From: "deknow" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:12:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...there are also vocoders that do not take up as much rack space as the electrix. the vf-11 is an 11 band analouge vocoder in a single rack space...but there are lots of knobs, and no midi implementation. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 08:11:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23460; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:10:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:10:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020304131010.62856.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <002801c1c377$01497380$be50e540@sunspot> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right! The Ineko is a desk top unit. I provided a link to it because there's not a lot of info avail- able on the Akira yet, only that it is a single rack space, stereo, multi-fx device. I'm just guessing/ assuming/hoping that it will have similar effects as the Ineko. John --- Scott McGregor Moore wrote: > I believe this is a tabletop - not a rack unit. > > > > Although I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it, > > Alesis is coming out with a single space rack unit > > called AKIRA. I think it's supposed to sell for > > around $250. I'm wondering if it's a rack version > of > > their INEKO processor. If so, it would have filter > & > > vocoder effects as well as delay & reverb. > > > > http://www.alesis.com/news/press/Ineko.html > > > > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > after lugging two racks of gear down to > Loopstock, I > > > found myself asking > > > the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller > way to > > > do this?" What I'm > > > basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX > (tempo > > > based delay, flange > > > and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one > > > unit, perferably a > > > single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't > > > really all that > > > relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I > can > > > control via midi are > > > better for me. Roland makes a cool little > number, > > > designed for DJs, but > > > it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for > my > > > dream of a > > > guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out > > > there? > > > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 09:01:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26711; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:59:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:59:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Skylabpr@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.d1b694d.29b4d785@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:58:29 EST Subject: Re: edp question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW! you shurely have done your home work. thanks a lot. Pietro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 09:27:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28022; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:26:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:26:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:26:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure, you mean projects like Praxis & Pain Killer? On a related note, I'd say Naked City might be worth checking out. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Don't forget a lot of Bill Laswell and co. stuff also can be prog-rock, though most of it is more dance/ambient lately, his early stuff fell in to the above genera IMO. Mark On Friday, March 1, 2002, at 06:42 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > Nice choices, I was going to suggest those. I'd also add: > > Echolyn (similar to Gentle Giant, but better production) > > Mike Patton's projects (imagine Felini playing prog-rock): > > Fantomas > Three Chiefs > Mr. Bungle > > How about Radiohead? If Kid A and Amnesiac aren't progressive for a rock > band, I don't know what is. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Alexander McDonald [mailto:stree@azstarnet.com] > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:08 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy Fowler" > > : digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc > from > > Ozric Tentacles. > Porcupine Trees > Spock's Beard > > I had a whole list of these a little while ago. > > David > http://www.mp3.com/DAMcDonald > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 10:41:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00376; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:38:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:38:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <417459A5-2F38-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <417459A5-2F38-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:23:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Hello Gary Hall, was Re: Beware LOOP POLICE! Re: Loopstock 2002... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary, Long time no see. Send me an email off list emile@foryourhead.com At 10:22 PM -0800 3/3/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Say "Hello" yourself, he's subscribed to this list now. > >Mark > >On Sunday, March 3, 2002, at 09:52 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > >>> >>> >>>Well, he's there visiting Gary Hall, Lexicon loop gear developer! >>>Who, I find out, is my neighbor! Ah ah ha h hahh ha ha h ha h h >>>ahahhah. Small world, big science. >> >>Well, say hello to Gary Hall for me. >>-- >>Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at >>http://www.foryourhead.com >> >>"There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the >>world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars >>of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed >>like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook >> >> Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >>Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >>Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >>http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 11:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05644; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:48:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:53:14 -0800 Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020304080705.92105.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/4/02 12:07 AM, John Tidwell at wedgehed@yahoo.com wrote: > The only other things I can think of are the Eventide > Eclipse, a used Korg AM8000R (don't know if it does > vocoder), maybe the Lexicon MPX-1 (again, vocoder??). While very cool, the AM8000R doesn't allow one to drive much from MIDI clock. The PCM-70 does support MIDI clock as a control source, but it doesn't do vocoding. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 11:50:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06036; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:49:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:49:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:49:37 -0800 Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020304080705.92105.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <6BfZEB.A.mdB.jW6g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Ineko does seem like it would do the trick... but it's a table top unit, as is the Roland EF-303 (http://namm.harmony- central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Roland/HotPick/EF303.html). My MASTER PLAN is to keep a single 6 space rack that I can plug power in, my guitar and be done. Thanks for the info though, I'm sure this would be nice for the studio. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 12:07 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > Although I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it, > Alesis is coming out with a single space rack unit > called AKIRA. I think it's supposed to sell for > around $250. I'm wondering if it's a rack version of > their INEKO processor. If so, it would have filter & > vocoder effects as well as delay & reverb. > > http://www.alesis.com/news/press/Ineko.html > > The only other things I can think of are the Eventide > Eclipse, a used Korg AM8000R (don't know if it does > vocoder), maybe the Lexicon MPX-1 (again, vocoder??). > > Which Roland device were you considering? > > John > > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Hey, >> >> after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I >> found myself asking >> the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller way to >> do this?" What I'm >> basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo >> based delay, flange >> and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one >> unit, perferably a >> single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't >> really all that >> relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I can >> control via midi are >> better for me. Roland makes a cool little number, >> designed for DJs, but >> it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for my >> dream of a >> guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out >> there? >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 11:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06157; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:50:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:50:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020304164900.96823.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:49:00 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: CFC question (repeater) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <171.9c0c00c.29b46798@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com okay, i know i should be checking the archive for the answer to this, but i figured, i'd eventually come to the list for popular consensus anyway... i ended up heading out to alto music in middletown yesterday and left with a repeater after scoping out its capabilities (what a machine!)...and now to make my unit complete, i need to get some type 1 CFCs. what do you guys find is the best card to use with the repeater? how much space do you get normally for a card (and approx how much data does that hold in actual loop time storage)? also, where do you noramlly go to buy these flash cards. also, are there any other add-ons to these machines (aside from the footswitch and external effects) that can help make it a more powerful tool? any and all help is appreciated! thanks, e va n happy looping! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 11:59:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06600; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:58:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:58:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:58:16 -0800 Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <05A906F8-2F91-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I found some info on that last night. Looks plenty cool, but out of my price range right now. Thanks for the complement! It was a very fun gig to play! I have to give credit for the Againinator chassis design and construction to Valerie. (also our keyboard player) Thanks, Mark Sottilaro On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 12:45 AM, e o wrote: > Hey Mark, > Really fun show you guys put on there! The Againinator made all the > difference! In response to your query (I'm wondering this for myself as > well), perhaps the TC Fireworx is worthwhile checking into... maybe? > It is > pricey, fer sher. I'm not sure if it has a vocoder inside. > e o > -- > eric oberthaler > http://www.soundsliketree.com > (music within) > > > > > > > On 3/3/02 10:52 PM, "Mark Sottilaro" wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I found myself >> asking >> the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller way to do this?" What >> I'm >> basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo based delay, flange >> and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one unit, perferably a >> single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't really all that >> relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I can control via midi are >> better for me. Roland makes a cool little number, designed for DJs, >> but >> it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for my dream of a >> guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out there? >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 12:02:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08035; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:00:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: FOR SALE: 2 Jamman & Quadraverb2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, some more spring cleaning, that is: a couple of Jamman, full expansion, 350 Euro each Quadraverb2 Alesis, 450 Euro shipping not incuded i'm from Italy please reply me OFF LIST if interested thanks Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 12:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08667; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C83AD72.499B@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:23:02 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in a similer "downsizing" mode.And, I REALLY like my Eclipse.It does everything you mentioned along w/great pitch shifting and 40 sec of delay.. My signal chain Raven Labs APD-1>EDP>Eclipse>(and after today)Repeater From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 12:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09144; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:16:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:16:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.73.69] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer Fott Controller Question Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:16:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2002 17:16:02.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[42EDF800:01C1C3A0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Do any of you know if the Behringer Midi Foot Controller, (that so many of you have talked about as a controller for the electrix Repeater) has a phantom power option through it's midi cable? Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 12:18:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09393; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:17:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:17:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020304171729.85259.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:17:29 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: did i miss something (repeater flash cards) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C83AD72.499B@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com after sifting through the archives about repeater flash cards, i still would love to hear which ones the folks from this board use, and where they get them? but, i noticed that everything says that the repeater comes with a flash card...after inspecting my manual's inventory section, i noticed that this was not listed and there is no flash card that came with my unit. is this wrong? am i owed a flash card or was this changed somewhere along the line? please let me know! thanks, e va n __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 12:22:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09765; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:21:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020304171729.85259.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020304171729.85259.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:20:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: did i miss something (repeater flash cards) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6Nqqk.A.rXC.H06g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >after sifting through the archives about repeater >flash cards, i still would love to hear which ones the >folks from this board use, and where they get them? The best document is the one that Electrix has on their site! >but, i noticed that everything says that the repeater >comes with a flash card...after inspecting my manual's >inventory section, i noticed that this was not listed >and there is no flash card that came with my unit. is >this wrong? am i owed a flash card or was this >changed somewhere along the line? please let me know! It comes in an envelope with the rest of your stuff... be careful, I almost threw mine out. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 12:26:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10179; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:25:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:25:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020304172450.26879.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: did i miss something (repeater flash cards) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <74gPx.A.KeC.u36g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >after sifting through the archives about repeater > >flash cards, i still would love to hear which ones > the > >folks from this board use, and where they get them? > > The best document is the one that Electrix has > on their site! > do members of this board have a favorite card that they use or a favorite place where they purchase these cards? > >but, i noticed that everything says that the > repeater > >comes with a flash card...after inspecting my > manual's > >inventory section, i noticed that this was not > listed > >and there is no flash card that came with my unit. > is > >this wrong? am i owed a flash card or was this > >changed somewhere along the line? please let me > know! > > It comes in an envelope with the rest of your > stuff... > be careful, I almost threw mine out. > ooh, thanks...i'll have to check! there was an envelope with the unit, but i thought that it only had the screws for rack mounting, i'll have to double check! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 12:34:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10964; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020304172450.26879.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020304172450.26879.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:33:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: did i miss something (repeater flash cards) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >ooh, thanks...i'll have to check! there was an >envelope with the unit, but i thought that it only had >the screws for rack mounting, i'll have to double >check! Now I'm wondering if I misled you. Perhaps in came in a little ziplock, and I'm confusing it with the card I got with my camera... all this gear... all this time... ah, life! -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 12:56:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12759; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:55:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C83B564.7A179724@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:56:52 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <_iFVxC.A.lED.BT7g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Papa Dave- We split the Fig Newtons between us. Jon Wagner ate one of the candy bars. I'm not sure about the yogurt or the liquorice, but you may never see them again. Sorry, -Hans David Potter wrote: > > Hi Hans, thanks for all you did for Loopstock....you and this event > will long be remembered!!I might have left my water jug a half gallon > one with my name on it and a bag of goodies fig cookies, liqorice and > candy bars....give them to Rick or Bill Walker if you get this.... > there was a quart of Nancy's yogert in the bag too. Peace and > Blessings to you.... > > Love, Papa Dave > > Hi there,Peace to All who enter here, Love Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 12:57:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13055; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:56:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:56:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:00:32 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c3ae$dc463900$aa6e580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips~ -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? >Hey, > >after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I found myself asking >the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller way to do this?" What I'm >basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo based delay, flange >and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one unit, perferably a >single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't really all that >relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I can control via midi are >better for me. Roland makes a cool little number, designed for DJs, but >it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for my dream of a >guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out there? > >Mark Sottilaro > Mark - maybe the Lexicon MPXG2. Has many effects and a built in jamman, though I understand this version does not do reverse. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 13:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15528; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:13:33 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c1c3a8$4d305620$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6ADE838B-2F3C-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com TC Electronics Fireworx Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Montag, 4. Marz 2002 07:53 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? > > > Hey, > > after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I found > myself asking > the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller way to do > this?" What I'm > basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo based > delay, flange > and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one unit, perferably a > single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't really all that > relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I can control > via midi are > better for me. Roland makes a cool little number, designed > for DJs, but > it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for my dream of a > guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out there? > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 13:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15706; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:13:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:13:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020304130923.0277a0f8@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:10:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: where prog rock meets fusion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2yyfPB.A.Y0D.-k7g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's a cheap motel offa state hiway 30. bout 7 or 8 miles outside. you'll know it cause the parking lot's always full - but nobody wants to go there. a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 13:30:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17054; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:29:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:29:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20020304172450.26879.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> <20020304172450.26879.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:32:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: did i miss something (repeater flash cards) Resent-Message-ID: <-tmnoD.A.vIE.-z7g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>ooh, thanks...i'll have to check! there was an >>envelope with the unit, but i thought that it only had >>the screws for rack mounting, i'll have to double >>check! > >Now I'm wondering if I misled you. Perhaps in came in a little >ziplock, and I'm confusing it with the card I got with my >camera... > You think you were confused ... My initial mental image when I saw "repeater flash cards" involved a low-tech teaching technique, where one person holds up a card with a picture of part of the device and the class members shout out what it's for ... --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 13:35:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17510; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:30:50 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) In-reply-to: <20020304164900.96823.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020304164900.96823.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8WX-mD.A.ZQE.y47g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:49 AM -0800 3/4/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >what do you guys find is the best card to use with the repeater? I bought Simple Technology 128MB cards from buy.com. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 13:43:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18071; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:42:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c1c3ac$5bd71ca0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <20020304164900.96823.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:42:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got 128mb SimpleTech from CDW.com for less than $60 and a dual CFC/SmartMedia r/w for less than $30- had to ask for lower price and they gave it to me- Cliff PS- Loopstock review/comments to follow later in the week! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) > At 8:49 AM -0800 3/4/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > >what do you guys find is the best card to use with the repeater? > > I bought Simple Technology 128MB cards from buy.com. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 13:51:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18647; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020304185025.5238.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:50:25 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i couldn't find these on buy.com...i did a search few searches for simple technology and flash cards. any help? --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 8:49 AM -0800 3/4/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > >what do you guys find is the best card to use with > the repeater? > > I bought Simple Technology 128MB cards from buy.com. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 13:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19038; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:55:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:55:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:44:52 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: did i miss something (repeater flash cards) In-reply-to: <20020304171729.85259.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020304171729.85259.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8p1wUD.A._oE.oL8g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:17 AM -0800 3/4/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >i still would love to hear which [CFCs] the folks from this board >use, and where they get them? I bought two 128MB SimpleTech cards and a USB reader from buy.com in September, for $234 total. They currently have them at $57, so clearly the price has come down. SimpleTech is recommended by Electrix. >i noticed that everything says that the repeater comes with a flash card Mine came with a 16MB CFC. The Electrix Web site states that "The 16M CFC shipped with Repeater is a high performance card," so you should contact them about the missing card. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 13:58:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19466; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:58:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:58:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020304185743.84424.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:57:43 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020304185025.5238.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ignore that...i'm an idiot...simple technology and simpletech...duh! --- Evan Meyers wrote: > i couldn't find these on buy.com...i did a search > few > searches for simple technology and flash cards. any > help? > > > --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 8:49 AM -0800 3/4/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > > > >what do you guys find is the best card to use > with > > the repeater? > > > > I bought Simple Technology 128MB cards from > buy.com. > > -- > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > > > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 14:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21152; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:03:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:03:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:03:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loopstock 2002... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopaz, hey...back in the saddle after the weekend loopstock adventure. probably got to head off list for a little while to get some work done, but i thought i would chime in for a thanks and a round of applause to y'all. what a cool day! one part concert, one part club meeting, part happening, part workshop, plus more...all shaken (not stirred) into a cool vibe concoction with beautiful weather, a great space, and a killer p.a. to boot. yowza. a few special moments still caught in my internal loop memory: matthias' guitar playing! outta sight. moving and flowing. his duet'ing with his previous passage thing was so cool that i'm gonna crib that one. jon and rick's percussion sets and positive vibes... inspiring. thanks. bill...smooth! very nice and i must pick your brain sometime about your DL4 expression pedal implementation. i find mine frustrating and you made it all feel SO organic. hans... everything supersuper except the introductions. didn't know who half of y'all were until hours were passed. next time...group intro before the tunes roll, maybe? your set was excellent. your setup was.... well.... damn! how much is Ernie Ball paying you? i want in! stan just plain ol' rocked. too bad more of you weren't there to catch his opening set. i want to see him play with a band! dr. z's "my generation" sonic mayhem segment just made my day. just to hear that much mashing going on all at once made the hair on my neck stand up. that and more, for sure, i'd like to say a bit about everyone's sets...but i gotta get movin'... thanks again. thanks everyone for your kind words for our set. it was so great to get some response for this slow (but constant) momentum Garden of Pomegranates thang that we've been woodshedding on for so long. best, rich ps. thanks and no thanks to y'all who bummed me cigarettes. i could tell i was nervous and excited to be there as i was bumming ALL DAY. shit, my lungs hurt as i haven't had a cigarette in a YEAR. back on the wagon. later... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 14:05:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21316; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:04:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:04:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:01:00 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) In-reply-to: <20020304185025.5238.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020304185025.5238.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5RGxgB.A.UMF.tU8g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:50 AM -0800 3/4/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >i couldn't find these on buy.com...i did a search few >searches for simple technology and flash cards. any >help? http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10153448&hdwt=30421&loc=101 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 15:06:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25434; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:05:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:05:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C83D375.D6DADDE0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:05:09 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to all for the info. I'm starting to realize that I'm probably going to have to stick with my Digitech DSP128 in that rack slot until I can move to the next tax bracket. On a positive note, this may be the push I need to really explore the capabilities of the Lexicon Vortex. I feel like I have yet to tap it's full potential. Thanks again kids, Mark Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The Ineko does seem like it would do the trick... but it's a table top > unit, as is the Roland EF-303 (http://namm.harmony- > central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Roland/HotPick/EF303.html). My MASTER PLAN > is to keep a single 6 space rack that I can plug power in, my guitar and > be done. Thanks for the info though, I'm sure this would be nice for > the studio. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 12:07 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > > > Although I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it, > > Alesis is coming out with a single space rack unit > > called AKIRA. I think it's supposed to sell for > > around $250. I'm wondering if it's a rack version of > > their INEKO processor. If so, it would have filter & > > vocoder effects as well as delay & reverb. > > > > http://www.alesis.com/news/press/Ineko.html > > > > The only other things I can think of are the Eventide > > Eclipse, a used Korg AM8000R (don't know if it does > > vocoder), maybe the Lexicon MPX-1 (again, vocoder??). > > > > Which Roland device were you considering? > > > > John > > > > > > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Hey, > >> > >> after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I > >> found myself asking > >> the ever new question, "Isn't there a smaller way to > >> do this?" What I'm > >> basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo > >> based delay, flange > >> and tremolo) and Warp Factory (Vocoder) with one > >> unit, perferably a > >> single rack space number. Lot's of knobs aren't > >> really all that > >> relevent to me, as a guitarist, presets that I can > >> control via midi are > >> better for me. Roland makes a cool little number, > >> designed for DJs, but > >> it's a tabletop number, which isn't the best for my > >> dream of a > >> guitar-rack-amp setup. Anything like this out > >> there? > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > >> > > > > > > > > ===== > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 15:39:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27100; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:38:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:38:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:40:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re Papa Dave's Food/ Loopstock Resent-Message-ID: <8_PxUC.A.cmG.ls9g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry, I took the yogurt, and early Sunday morning,while all the little loopers were fast asleep, I smeared it over their faces, and watched in delight as Hans' siamese cats licked it off, funny how no one seemed to mind, or wake up, though I'm almost certain I could hear moans of ecstacy..Kim's face in particular, had a look of beautific satisfaction on it.. Thanks for a great event and all of your hard work, Hans, and thanks all who participated,and drove or flew many miles to take part. It was really wonderfull to hear such musical diversity, and to meet all of you stellar individuals. It was refreshing to be a part of such a cooperative, ego-less affair. Was it Bartok who said, "competition is for horses"? Well, it was a treat to be a part of a festival relatively devoid of a "battle of the bands" atmosphere. My only regrets, are that I did'nt get to see everyone play, owing to recon missions for food and caffiene, and I wish I could have heard Andre play, and Mathias play more. Next time perhaps. Maybe one day, we'll even get DT out to the left coast. Hats off to Max V, Ted K, Rick W, Mark H. and anyone else who managed to overcome technical difficulties, and proceed to play brilliantly. I felt like I was at a big genial group therapy session for people with "Gear Acquisition Syndrom" , but instead of helping us to cure our gear addictions, it just seemed to fuel them. Well, there are certainly much worse compulsive activities. Next time, perhaps we can work in a bit of loop clinic activities, for the newbies, and folks wanting to learn more about the technical side of looping, routing, and effects applications. It was a pleasure and an honor to participate, Bill W From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 16:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30044; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:13:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:13:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:13:16 -0800 From: Jeff Blanding Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) In-reply-to: <20020304164900.96823.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: tony Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a friend with a repeater and he did have some trouble with the CFC - there is a specific one that works best, so be aware ;) i will ask him which one it was... -jeff On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 08:49 AM, Evan Meyers wrote: > okay, i know i should be checking the archive for the > answer to this, but i figured, i'd eventually come to > the list for popular consensus anyway... > > i ended up heading out to alto music in middletown > yesterday and left with a repeater after scoping out > its capabilities (what a machine!)...and now to make > my unit complete, i need to get some type 1 CFCs. > > what do you guys find is the best card to use with the > repeater? how much space do you get normally for a > card (and approx how much data does that hold in > actual loop time storage)? also, where do you > noramlly go to buy these flash cards. > > also, are there any other add-ons to these machines > (aside from the footswitch and external effects) that > can help make it a more powerful tool? > > any and all help is appreciated! > > thanks, e va n > happy looping! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com > > ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 17:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03970; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:18:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:18:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:17:33 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 29 2001) Message-Id: <20020304221733.TXYX2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Resent-Message-ID: <6hvVRB.A.h9.hK_g8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey: As the Electrix website indicates, try the SimpleTech cards. I bought a 128 MB card at BUY.COM for around $54.00. Regards, Butch > i have a friend with a repeater and he did have some trouble with the > CFC - there is a specific one that works best, so be aware ;) i will ask > him which one it was... > > -jeff > > > On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 08:49 AM, Evan Meyers wrote: > > > okay, i know i should be checking the archive for the > > answer to this, but i figured, i'd eventually come to > > the list for popular consensus anyway... > > > > i ended up heading out to alto music in middletown > > yesterday and left with a repeater after scoping out > > its capabilities (what a machine!)...and now to make > > my unit complete, i need to get some type 1 CFCs. > > > > what do you guys find is the best card to use with the > > repeater? how much space do you get normally for a > > card (and approx how much data does that hold in > > actual loop time storage)? also, where do you > > noramlly go to buy these flash cards. > > > > also, are there any other add-ons to these machines > > (aside from the footswitch and external effects) that > > can help make it a more powerful tool? > > > > any and all help is appreciated! > > > > thanks, e va n > > happy looping! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > > > ----- > Jeff Blanding > jeff@modaldub.net > http://www.modaldub.net > > "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the > continent, a part of the main. > If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a > promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own > were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, > and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for > thee." > - John Donne > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 17:23:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04471; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:22:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:22:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C83F30B.44A358E9@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:19:55 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (Very) Late-Breaking Los Angeles Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I'll be doing it live and in public (looping, that is) tomorrow (Tuesday) night: Lulu's Beehive 13203 Ventura Blvd. Studio City, CA Tuesday, March 5 8:00 - 9:30 P.M. This is a FREE show; Lulu's is a cool coffee shop in the valley. I'm planning on trying out a new approach this gig, using an old Roland drum machine to send MIDI commands to an EDP to trigger various function/parameter combinations, and possibly to construct spontaneous patterns of loop triggerings and commands to send to the EDP right there and then, as I'm playing (and perhaps recording/overdubbing). The idea occured to me yesterday, and I just now plugged the drum machine into the EDP and mapped some MIDI coordinates, so I have no idea what I'll be doing with it by tomorrow night. Obligatory Loopstock report: What a spectacularly great time. I don't have time right now to write up a full report, but it was a delight and a privilege to be there and meet (and hear!) so many great folks. The consistency and diversity of the performances (and the crowd in general) was a very pleasant surprise, and I'm happy to eat my words about the dangers of the show running into schedule problems -- things were actually going AHEAD of schedule, somehow. Hats off to Hans for a stellar organizational job. More later, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 17:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05722; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:50:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:50:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020304224945.50607.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: SRice Subject: Loopstock appreciation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Twelve hours of peace, love, and repetition." -Bill Walker Loopstock was a huge success, and I want to thank everyone for their great music, amazing creativity, and technical wizardry. It was a privilege for me to share the bill with so many much more experienced musicians, with so much talent (and hardware(I want the first againinator when it is publicly released.)) Having the opportunity to just hang out with everyone was worth the trip, and being accepted as a performer really made it special for me. And one more big thank you to Hans for organizing the event. Yours in rhythm, Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 18:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08575; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:15:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:15:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 23:14:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2002 23:14:56.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[65EE2960:01C1C3D2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >it is publicly released.)) Having the opportunity to just >hang out with everyone was worth the trip, and being >accepted as a performer really made it special for me. Everyone congradulate Steve for his excellent performance at loopstock, which I found out later was his FIRST public performance!!! Way to go Steve and keep it up. With a debue like this we know we'll be hearing some great things from him in the future. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 18:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08828; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:17:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:17:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020304224945.50607.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020304224945.50607.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:16:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, steve.... kudos to you and your set. i had assumed that technical problems of some type during the day was almost a given, and the folks that endured them came through with flying colors. i have a newfound added respect for you brave ones who are looping acoustic instruments. rich >"Twelve hours of peace, love, and repetition." > -Bill Walker > >Loopstock was a huge success, and I want to thank everyone >for their great music, amazing creativity, and technical >wizardry. It was a privilege for me to share the bill >with so many much more experienced musicians, with so >much talent (and hardware(I want the first againinator when >it is publicly released.)) Having the opportunity to just >hang out with everyone was worth the trip, and being >accepted as a performer really made it special for me. > >And one more big thank you to Hans for organizing the >event. > >Yours in rhythm, >Steve > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball >http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 18:30:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09596; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:29:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:29:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <195.3306677.29b55d19@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:28:25 EST Subject: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Hans, Loopstock veterans and any one else! My wife and I got home to Oregon safely last evening after our 10-hour drive up I-5. I just thought I'd take this opportunity to publicly say "thanks" for all of your work and effort in making Loopstock the success that it was. As for me, I definitely enjoyed myself (and so did Kay, my better half who normally merely "endures" these kinds of things). My sense is that a good time was had by all and not even the occasional self-inflicted "technical difficulty" dampened the good spirits that were shared generally by all. You really pulled it off. Great job! I bet you really slept well on Sunday though. :-) Unfortunately I needed to get up and get ready to drive north immediately after a quick Denny's breakfast. Zzzzzzzz. I could still use a few more winks. My only real regrets stem from not having seen or heard any of Rick Walker's set (Dr. Bob and I were setting up) and totally missing Tom Heasley's as well (we were tearing down) plus having been compelled by a sleepy spouse into leaving the premises early before YOUR set was entirely over (I think I heard most of it, however). Sigh! Oh well. As I am given to understand that there were both audio and video recordings made of the day's proceedings I still hold out hope that I may still get to hear/see something of the portions that I missed. Please keep us posted as to the availability such recordings. You know my addresses. Dr. Bob's e-mail is: waveski@sbcglobal.net I've advised him to subscribe to the list. I also regret not having the opportunity to say "thanks" (and "good-bye") in person to a whole lot of folks who were still there when my wife drug me by the elbow to the truck. Dang! Oh well . . . Everyone had something different to offer and (I think) they succeeded on a variety of levels . . . well . . . I'm not entirely sure of my own set though I know Dr. Bob played pretty darn well. It may seem pretty presumptuous of me to do so, but I'm going to try to present my "scan" of Loopstock to the community at large. As far as I am able, I'm going to schlogg through set by set as much as I can (but I missed a bit at the end before, during and after my own set). I have the time on my hands to do this because I'm self-employed 24/7 (and that makes me my own boss). This ain't definitive -- obviously -- other, better writers can fill-in and expand or even contradict what's here. So . . . here goes nuthin'. 2:00-2:30 Setup and socialize Mike, Mark, Max, Bill, Rick, Richard, Manny Moe and Jack . . . ? It was great to get to meet you guys and finally put names with some faces. I really hope we can do this again. I have a notoriously faulty memory. I am constantly having to make excuses for my Teflon(TM) brain -- nothing sticks. So meeting repeatedly will definitely help. It'll especially be a little easier to remember the ones who played. But it was also a gas to meet several loopsters who simply came as listeners. So . . . lets do this again okay? Then I (and poor souls like me) will remember those names even better. 2:40-3:10 Stanitarium (Stan Card) Being a big fan of the Mermen I couldn't help but appreciate Stan Card's heavy surf riffing. He played with a lot of energy and an authority I wish I could muster more consistently myself. As an extra added surprise Merman guitarist/ frontman Jim Thomas was there as Stan's support crew. Stan was also one of the few who seemed NOT to suffer from tech difficulties. Way to hang Stan! He was an excellent choice to kick off the day's proceedings. Great set! It was also comforting to see someone who is "older" (like myself) who could still rock out! 3:20-3:50 Steven Rice I think Steven was absolutely and without a doubt the very bravest one of us. Although he did have some technical difficulties, he built up his loops from absolute scratch "in front of God and the whole congregation" with a fairly bare-bones loop set up and similarly spare instrumentation . . . frame/hand-drums, shakers, flutes, multiple digeridoos. etc. It took a while for this "building" to take place from a rather naked sounding start, but once it got there it was quite fascinating to hear chords played by choirs of digeridoos over beds of percolating "world" percussion. 4:00-4:30 Mark Hamburg Mark, I want your guitar! Mark Hamburg is an amazingly cool and smooth guitarist coaxing multilayered clouds of ambient(ish) licks from his Klein electric and dexterously ornamenting them with either fluid arpeggios or occasional sonic shards. I don't recall what looper(s) he was using, but he seemed to be using it/them a lot . . . building up quite a mass of sound. Very creative, sophisticated and inventive stuff it was too. 4:40-5:10 Sleeping (Mark Sottilaro, Valerie Hilligan & Katrin Schenk) Ah . . . let the party begin! Another guitarist named Mark but this one couldn't be more obviously different. Flanked by Valerie and Katrin on keys and Chapman stick (I don't remember which was which, ladies, sorry) and armed with a white mutant Steinberg guitar, loopers, miscellaneous groove-boxes, filters, delays, other processors (plus reflex blue hair, natch) Mark and company (AKA, Sleep) kicked out some lively techno jams. Mark's a distinctive guitarist too and I was impressed with the sounds he was getting from his Roland equipped rig. Sleep also should get some sort of award for "Most Convoluted Cable Array" and for the fact that Mark seemed to be constantly re-patching things manually during the proceedings to get ever more perverse new combinations of FX. 5:20-5:50 Jon Wagner 6:00-6:30 Matthias Grob I'm gonna talk about these guys together because their sets overlapped so much. First I wanna say Jon's a fantastic drummer/percussionist. My skinman, Dr. Bob, is new to looping and was on the stairs behind the whole time checking out your every move. Who would have imagined a few years ago that looping technology could allow a percussionist to build up such brilliant, complex and (most importantly) "human" sounding rhythms without it sounding machine-made. Not I. Wow! I'm really glad Bob got to check your set out from the vantage point he did. I'm sure he learned a lot. Jon played for several minutes and then invited Matthias (and eventually Rick Walker too) to join him. As for Matthias Grob, who doesn't know about the inventor of the Paradise Loop Delay . . . which eventually became the EDP that many of us now know and love (if we own one) or dream about (if we don't)? I'd have expected him to be a pretty decent musician but I never would have expected someone I'd figured to be some sort of an "electronic engineer" (a nerd perhaps . . . you can never tell about impressions on the web) to be such a brilliant and deep musician. Holy cow! And he don't look like no "nerd" either. I am humbled and ashamed of the preconceptions I'd had. Matthias is as great of a guitarist as he is a looper developer/inventor. He plays a guitar of his own design as well . . . and looks like someone who has perhaps time-travelled forward and backward from the San Francisco in '60s on more than one occasion. 6:30-7:00 Break Whist my wife was off with some local SLO friends enjoying the sort of Mexican food we don't get too much of up in Medford, Oregon I stayed behind and tried to digest the afternoon's proceedings, meet a few folk and listen in to "shop talk" between the likes of Kim Flint, Matthias, Richard Zvonar and others. I met "Larry the O" who writes the back-page editorial piece in EM magazine and chatted with a fellow looper, Joe Cavaleri, who went to the same elementary school as I did (and we were only one year apart). Imagine that! We watched and occasionally tried to help Hans make further equipment adjustments and changes to the venue and wondered what would happen next . . . 7:00-7:30 Rich Atkinson & Cliff Novey Take two looping guitarists with a bent for "alternative" crunchy atmospherics, an artful video projection and a prerecorded backing track of percussion and other loopstuff which they playfully dubbed "looper karaoke," shake it in a bag and you may get something of what this was like . . . a little. From what I understand, it is merely a part of a larger multimedia presentation that is eventually to include dancers and (?) more. I really liked these guys. Nice energy, textures and transitions. They never lingered in any one place too long (something I know that I'm guilty of) and had an over-all richness of sound that was very, very, very cool in every detail. Did I only say "very" 3 times? I meant 333 times. 7:40-8:10 Max Valentino Max is a bassist who (via loops created on the fly) can sound like the better half of a whole band, sans drummer . . . and with a little slapping, spanking and scraping on the strings he can even cover that base (pun intended) too when required. Plagued with a few tech difficulties at first, he performed so beautifully well that it made me forget all about it once the music was going. I don't know what looper he used and at least one of his basses looked (and sounded) like it was a "semi acoustic" fretless (?) of some sort. Very groovalicious in a jazzy sort of way. I'm looking forward to listening to the CD he traded me for. 8:20-8:50 Dr. Richard Zvonar Sitting at a table of equipment with a fluorescent desk lamp . . . and looking a bit like a character from the movie "Contact" dialing in alien transmissions from "out there" somewhere. Richard Z. processed a variety of material from a number of prerecorded CDs through at least 3 Eventides (and who knows what else). Starting with electronic sounding static-like noises and proceeding through snippets of recorded narrative that sounded much like self-help recordings or those "paid advertisement" shows on TV . . . then on through the "Simpsons" theme music and other cultural ephemera, he reveals the "aliens" he's tuning into . . . eventually . . . to be we (us?) ourselves. I eat this stuff up, but my wife generally hates it. But here, for the first time ever at a performance of "electronic new music" I saw her sit with smiling and absolutely rapt attention. Need I say more. Dr. Zvonar sliced and diced and scrambled all of these sounds on the fly using only knobs, buttons and the fastest s et of fingers since I last saw John McLaughlin. Bravo! Got a CD? 9:00-9:30 Rick Walker's Loop.pooL I missed this. Damn! My wife said it was great. It reminded her of Laurie Anderson a little somehow (don't ask me why). Rick you gotta send me a CD! I heard snatches of your set from time to time as I was setting up on the other end of the room but my concentration was really elsewhere. Damn! 9:40-10:10 Ted Killian w/ Dr. Bob Sterling This may sound a little hard to believe but I honestly have NO IDEA of how well (or ill) I played. I know Bob acquitted himself well and he says he enjoyed it terrifically. Many of you also said some very nice things too. But I was in "autonomic" mode and playing much like the way that a cockroach runs (they say that you can remove a roach's head and it will still run all over the place). As for apologetics, since so many other performers were featuring various other flavors of mostly softer (if not to say "ambient") things -- and doing it so darned well at it -- I figured I'd better produce some "contrast" or nobody will ever remember me. We had some tech difficulties that made for a lousy start . . . and some significant ongoing other I was to discover mid-play (a critical nonfunctioning EV-5 and a miss-stepped EDP switch) as things proceeded that hopefully nobody but me ever noticed. Oh well. My wife says I looked for all of the world like Captain Kangaroo playing acid rock. Jeeeze. What an image! 10:20-10:50 Tom Heasley Double damn! I missed this one too. Somebody send me a CD/DVD! Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn! Even my curses are looping. 11:00-11:30 Bill Walker Bill and Rick are both very creative guys (from direct evidence and by all accounts) and it's pretty obviously got something to do with genetics (since they are brothers). Man! Bill got some really blissful tones from a variety of axes, baritone and regular Strats (many apologies for the guitarspeak here) and looped and processed the bejeezus out of them. Can I be YOU when I grow up? Well, maybe if I were (at least) 30 years younger and could start all over . . . and had a modicum of talent. I am really impressed and inspired by what you did with the slide on lap-steel too. Perhaps I'll re-approach my own folkie roots (I was once a Leo Kottke/Ry Cooder imitator of sorts . . . mostly inferior sorts though). Anywho, your set was great! Put out a CD and I'll be one of the first to buy one. 11:40-12:10 armatronix (Hans Lindauer & Daniel Seymour) I don't remember seeing the Mayflower moving van outside at any time during the day but that's what it must have taken these guys to get their rig to the gig . . . that or a semi with a goose-neck trailer. And, what's even more amazing, these 2 guys (yes just 2) used it all!. Very hip techno "party music" to give closure to a wonderful day. Not only do I wish I'd been able to stick around for every last minute of you set I would have liked to have had a day or two to pick your brains about how you used all o' that stuff too (and to identify the half of it I couldn't quite place). My apologies for allowing my wife to talk me into ducking out early. I am a dweeb and a doofus too. Hans, this was one special event. Kudus to you for all of the "sweat equity" you put into it. It was inspiring, entertaining and educational and one major fat piece of fun all day long. There were little tech problems, slight schedule shifts and delays, but everything went so smoothly on an organizational level one would think (from appearances) that you do these things all of the time. The sound system was great too! My hat's off to you! Please keep us all posted as to whatever recorded documents become available within the group. Cheers, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 19:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12972; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:06:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:06:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1BC88FD1968349449B02BF6018227F34B3D9EC@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> From: Darcy Clark To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor? Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:06:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com er - this might do it, but it's not rack-mounted. http://www.rogerlinn.com/products/adrenalinn.shtml darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 19:10:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13279; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:09:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:09:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:08:52 EST Subject: GEAR 4 SALE !!! 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Please respond ASAP if interested, or I will be placing these items on e-bay on Friday night... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Blah, blah, blah --part1_fc.14899029.29b56694_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am selling:

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Blah, blah, blah --part1_fc.14899029.29b56694_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 20:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19090; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:55:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:55:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C84256F.D60A9EC1@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:54:56 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) References: <195.3306677.29b55d19@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0JOKqB.A.EqE.1VCh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: Flanked > by Valerie and Katrin on keys and Chapman stick (I don't > remember which was which, ladies, sorry) Katrin Schenk on Chapman Stick and Valerie Hilligan on Keyboards and Korg KAOSS pad. > Sleep also should get some sort > of award for "Most Convoluted Cable Array" and for the > fact that Mark seemed to be constantly re-patching things > manually during the proceedings to get ever more perverse > new combinations of FX. > Ah hah ahhahahahha, I wish. I tripped over some cords while setting up and yanked power from half my gear! I was just plugging it all back in! Not that glamorous. This was our second public show, and we're still having setup issues. I'm trying to think of ways to keep all the sonic options I have now, but keep it to a single rack. Now that I've been awarded "Most Convoluted Cable Array" I may totally have to rethink this path and buy some more stuff and make it even crazier. People like Matthais inspire me to keep my hands on my guitar more though... Mark Sottilaro P.S. I really enjoyed your show and CD too! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 22:47:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26517; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:45:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:45:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: GRStrings@aol.com Message-ID: <18d.44a01cf.29b59923@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:44:35 EST Subject: MIDI Violin/Assorted Effects For Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, I'm selling the following- 1. Zeta vc-225 Midi String Controller 2. Zeta mfs-40 Footswitch 3. Korg Toneworks AX1000G Guitar Multi-Effects Processor 4. Alesis Nanoverb I will include several midi and audio cords, manuals, and a Drew Tretick instructional video(artistic representative for Zeta). If there is somebody who is interested in the whole package, I'll throw in a Dunlap Crybaby wah-wah pedal. Please contact me off the list. Thanks, Greg GRstrings@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 23:11:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28410; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:05:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:05:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.24.86] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 04:04:45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2002 04:04:45.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2A6B120:01C1C3FA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gang... I would like to express my most sincere appreciation, thanks and respect to everyone at Loopstock (the performers, the crew, the audience..and mostly to Hans, who pulled it all together in a rather brilliant way!)Stanitarium (Stan Card) very cool stuff with those pcm's Steve Rice: loved that didj set...beautiful! Is true that was you first gig? Mark Hamburg...what a great set! That was the first of many instances that evening where I wished I had an EDP (or two, eh Mark?), and that was BEFORE my JamBoy started acting up! Sleeping....not hardly sleeping, more like staring in amazement at MArk's array of cables! Cool set, made want an Againinator, too. Matthias Grob and Jon Wagner: WOW! It was like going to school for creative looping. Jon, you have a great thing going on, and had some of the most beautiful sounds coming off...drums! Matthias, THANK YOU! Your playing was so beautiful and inspiring, and you ability to orchestrate your gtr and loops was incredible...really filled my head with ideas! Rich Atkinson/Cliff Novey....amazing blend of sounds, textures and dynamics...I found myself listening to you quite a bit while I should have been setting up! Dr. Zvonar: Holy Mackerel! an amazing display of the power of sound and remix (really re-remixing, eh?)really incredible and inspiring, thank you. Rick...geez, if anyone could take what essentially was a gear meltdown and make it both entertaining and musical, it is you. Everytime I see I learn something more! Ted Killian/Bob Sterling.....Ted, you are amazing! And Bob's addition on the 'peater and drum controller was exceptional! I loved every moment of your set...and really LOVE your CD. Thanks so much for making the trip all the way down. It was a joy to hear you. Tome Heasley.....the coolest thing this side of Jon Hassell! And on a Tuba!!! wow...amazing, ethereal, beautiful. Bill: thanks for showing me what is really possible with that stuff! For everyone who didn't make it down, keep an ear open for Bill's stuff. His playing and looping were absolutely exceptional. Brilliant! Can I join your fan club? Armatronix...Hans, you da man! Poised amongst this wall of gear, Hans was bopping like a man possessed, and producing the wildest array of sounds! Really great! And all that AFTER he did all the work to organize and pull off this whole wingding! THREE CHEERS FOR HANS! Thanks everyone...it was a great weekend! Let's do it again!!!! Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 23:41:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30080; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:41:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:41:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:40:01 EST Subject: california dreamin on such a winter day To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just got back to pittsburgh 16 degrees out, yikes!!!! it was almost 80 this morn loopstock.....what can i say! WOW! what a fantastic day.....it was great meeting everyone, in fact, i didnt meet all that showed because there were so many folk , how cool.....i will not review the music at this point, im fried, but i want to send a monster big THANK YOU to hans for all of the terrific work and great hospitality what an effort on hans part, ll: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU :ll .....i dont ever remember feeling so relaxed with so many "strangers", i think bill w used the word "ego-less", how true.....what a sprit of shareing.....sorry i missed breakfast on sunday, did kim eat some eggs for me?.....its good to put faces to many new and old friends.....thanks all.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 4 23:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30344; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:42:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:42:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:41:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4C84EFEC-2FF3-11D6-BF52-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, speaking of my impressive array of cables, I forgot to thank Mr. Loop Pool Walker, for helping me tear it all down at the end of our hijinks. That helped a LOT! Good for the next band up on that side, but nice for me now hooking up my rig and not finding a hastily balled up mess that takes 4 days to untangle! (you know what I mean, I know you do) Thanks AGAIN! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 00:12:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00589; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:12:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:12:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c1c404$467c9e90$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3C83B564.7A179724@ernieball.com> Subject: Loopstock, Hans, and a bag of goodies (was Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address???) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:11:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com um, i actually grabbed the bag of goodies on the way out, thinking it was litter, didn't notice a name on it, wups. ( ironically, i left my indian food leftovers in Hans' refrigerator, but ended up with Dave's bag of goodies on my way back to san jose and boston. i was a little groggy that morning, having slept a 7am to 1pm or something shift according to my timezone. although the acoustic foam some of us camped out on (courtesy of Hans) was pretty darn comfy none the less. Loopstock was fantastic! a great time, well worth the trip to meet everyone and hear what they're doing! it was fascinating to see the variety of approaches being taken. looking forward to the next one. i definitely have to swing down to the ny saturday loop special, and it'd be great to throw a loopfest in boston. this event was inspiring. THANK YOU HANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8^D mike (back in boston, and still grooving to Dr.Z's 'My Generation' ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? > Hi Papa Dave- > > We split the Fig Newtons between us. Jon Wagner ate one of the candy > bars. I'm not sure about the yogurt or the liquorice, but you may never > see them again. > > Sorry, > > -Hans > > > David Potter wrote: > > > > Hi Hans, thanks for all you did for Loopstock....you and this event > > will long be remembered!!I might have left my water jug a half gallon > > one with my name on it and a bag of goodies fig cookies, liqorice and > > candy bars....give them to Rick or Bill Walker if you get this.... > > there was a quart of Nancy's yogert in the bag too. Peace and > > Blessings to you.... > > > > Love, Papa Dave > > > > Hi there,Peace to All who enter here, Love Dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 00:12:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00482; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:12:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:12:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c1c404$49c9a6b0$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020304164900.96823.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:12:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i bought a simple technology card from buy.com too. it works. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) > At 8:49 AM -0800 3/4/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > >what do you guys find is the best card to use with the repeater? > > I bought Simple Technology 128MB cards from buy.com. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 01:03:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04233; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:02:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:02:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 21:54:30 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation In-reply-to: <4C84EFEC-2FF3-11D6-BF52-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4C84EFEC-2FF3-11D6-BF52-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd also like to voice my appreciation for the remarkable effort put in by Hans and company, and for the wonderful music and camaraderie of the event. This is truly a fine group, and I was especially glad that I decided to hang out until Sunday to have brunch with eleven other loopers at a damn fine restaurant in SLO. Several people remarked about the quality of the event. It was certainly one of the smoothest self-regulating technical concert situations I've experienced outside of a fully professional production. The "house" team had established a solid infrastructure, and this enabled the rest of us to slide into our slots with a minimum of fuss. Everyone arrived with their gear pretty well organized, so even though there were a few minor glitches there was no complete melt-down. I'm sorry I wasn't able to devote 100% of my attention to all the other artists. I spent a fair amount of time with headphones one, getting my own system ready and figuring out what I was goint to do (I realize in retrospect that the last time I did this sort of performance was more than three years ago!). Among those whose sets I did catch in their entirety were Jon and Matthias, Rick Walker, Ted and Dr. Bob, Tom Heasley, and Bill Walker. The Walkers are old friends (since the mid-70s!) from Santa Cruz, and I've had the chance to see both perform recently. I have a particular fondness for Rick's fine madness, and I've had a couple of recent opportunities to participate in it under the redwoods and in a retired bank. Bill has always been a terrific guitarist, but I am really knocked out by the clarity of both his playing and his compositional process. It was certainly a treat and an honor to finally meet Matthias after all these years, especially in the company of Gary Hall and Larry "the O" Oppenheimer. I started performing with the PCM-42 back in 1982 and over the years I've been privileged to become friends with its creator and with other practitioners of the fine art of DSP-based performance. It's great to hang out socially with the creators of such tools and to find out they have weaknesses for such things as Komodo dragons. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 01:04:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04110; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:02:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:02:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:00:21 -0800 Subject: ~whew~~~~~~ From: Stan Card To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as the of loopstock all i can say is wot a wknddd!!! loopstock-not just a concept, but a real bunch a people doin their damndest fer the cause... i am not good w/ compliments,givin um or gettin um but that little get together on saturday was an eye opener. i am humbled by the company i was keepin and as groucho said: "i'd never join a group that would have me as a member" i am proud to know each and every one of youse guys... and as i overheard someone say 'how lucky we all were to here matthias do his live thang short of goin to south america how could ya?' i think i was the only guy there and to run into gary hall made my day... one question-why didnt kim play? not really a fair question,'cause i dont know if he do play er wot...? well, lets do it again(ninator...!) special thanx to hans-howja do that?? seeya stan(itarium) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 01:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05840; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:32:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:32:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:24:52 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: My Generation In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <0OliD.A.daB.pZGh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm glad that my treatment of "My Generation" was well received. I've had a long and intimate relationship with that song. It was first released in 1965, and I still remember the first time I heard it. I was driving down Pacific Coast Highway, somewhere near LAX, when it came on the radio. I was so blown away by it that I had to pull the car over to the shoulder and park until it was over. I was an instant Who fan. The following year I was in my first "real" band, with paying gigs and all, and two of my bandmates had some folk musician friends name Sandy and Jeannie Darlington, who had been buskers in London and got to know Pete Townshend. Pete would sometimes send these folks dubs of his home demo tapes, and I got to hear versions of his new material before it was released. Imagine the thrill of hearing "I Can See for Miles" as recorded by Pete Townshend alone in his livingroom! In 1968 I had a particular thrill when our band was booked to open for the Who in the Boston Music Hall. They weren't particularly "big" yet, having just three albums out. They were traveling with only two roadies, one of them a short little cockney fellow named "Sweaty" and the other a young American lad who made sure we knew he was Jim Morrison's brother. Of the band members themselves, Pete and Roger Daltrey were quite sociable, while John Entwhistle and Keith Moon were aloof. What first broke the ice was that Pete noticed we'd been smoking joints and asked to buy our roaches (naturally we gave him whatever we had). Then we mentioned the Sandy and Jeannie connection and things got even more relaxed. We learned that they were working on a new rock opera about a deaf, dumb, and blind boy (they played "Pinball Wizard" that night). Also it happened that there was a feature story on Pete in the current Rolling Stone, and he paged through it making comments about the various photos in the spread ("pensive," "earnest," that sort of thing). It got quite chummy. We even made plans for Pete and Roger to come out to our band house after the concert. That never happened. They'd been on the road too long, and Keith Moon was especially road-crazy. He'd been drinking already and by the time they got to their second set he was totally manic. When they reached the climactic destructo-rama bit where they'd smash up all the instruments, Keith went a few steps beyond theater and REALLY got into it. He started throwing his drums into the audience, and this incited a near-riot as fans tried to climb up on the stage. Sweaty was in the orchestra pit throwing drums back up on the stage and fans back into the audience. He had a lot of upper body strength for a little guy. Finally Keith staggered off the stage, kicking over our drummer's kit on the way, and smashed his hand through a window. He cut himself rather badly in the process, and since the band had a gig in Central Park in New York the following day, Pete begged off and they took care of Keith. I've seen the Who perform a couple of times since then, once doing Tommy in its entirety at the Boston Tea party and another time on a double bill with the Grateful Dead, but I never did get chummy with them like that night. My own musical career went on from rock to electronic music, and then in 1978 I learned of Keith Moon's death. My immediate impulse was to make a tape piece out of My Generation, accentuating the stuttering effects and highlighting Keith's manic drumming. Unfortunately my composition teacher had other ideas of how to further my compositional education and I put aside the idea - that is until last weekend! By the way - a few years ago I got ancient enough to join AARP (American Association of Retired Persons) and in addition to the hotel discounts and other benefits I was privileged (and embarrassed) to receive their monthly "Modern Maturity" magazine, which basically tells you how groovy it is to be old and in the way. Last year they must have figured out that this message wasn't quite coming across to the influx of new Boomer members, so they started a new magazine with a hipper style and message. The title: "My Generation" -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 01:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06466; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:42:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:39:18 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) In-reply-to: <195.3306677.29b55d19@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <195.3306677.29b55d19@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA06312 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:28 PM -0500 3/4/02, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: >Unfortunately I needed to get up and get ready to drive north immediately >after a quick Denny's breakfast. Zzzzzzzz. Sorry you couldn't join us for brunch. It was a gas! >Richard Z. processed a variety of material from a number of >prerecorded CDs through at least 3 Eventides (and who knows what >else). Three Eventides: H3000, DSP4000, Andaman (prototype Orville). No other processing. Mixing through a Mackie 1604. >Starting with electronic sounding static-like noises Crickets mixed with Iannis Xenakis' "The Legend of E'er" >snippets of recorded narrative that sounded much like self-help >recordings or those "paid advertisement" shows on TV . . . Alvin Lucier's "I am sitting in a room" and John Cage and David Tudor's "Indeterminacy>" >Got a CD? I have several, but just wasn't in a mood to be hawking them at the performance. >9:00-9:30 Rick Walker's Loop.pooL >My wife said it was great. It reminded her of Laurie Anderson a little somehow There's a certain kindred aesthetic, especially in the creative use of simple toys and found objects. Laurie lives on Canal Street in New York, where there are many surplus shops and cheap electronics outlets. Rick also reminds me of some friends of mine from San Diego who perform as a duo called [THE]. They even do odd things with dayglo. I'm almost positive that Rick has never seen these folks - it's just a case of some really whacky and creative people tapping into the same alternate universe. Rick and I have a little bit of that kind of telepathy, witness the Santa Cruz gig where we both showed up with miniature electric guitars. >9:40-10:10 Ted Killian w/ Dr. Bob Sterling >I honestly have NO IDEA of how well (or ill) I played. You played extremely well. I have no idea how well you intended to play, but I was impressed. I didn't notice any of the problems you cite, but then that's pretty typical. What did happen was more than sufficient. >10:20-10:50 Tom Heasley > >Double damn! I missed this one too. This is the second time I've heard Tom this year (previously at the Ought-One Festival in Montpelier). It's a rich and sonorous aural experience that flies in the face of all the dumb clichés about what tuba music is. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 01:55:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06963; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:54:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:54:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:59:39 -0800 Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C84256F.D60A9EC1@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/4/02 5:54 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > This was our second public show We should have asked how many people were essentially debuting or close to it at Loopstock. I hadn't played in a really public context since 1987. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 02:13:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08866; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:12:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:12:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 23:09:35 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:59 PM -0800 3/4/02, Mark Hamburg wrote: >We should have asked how many people were essentially debuting or close to >it at Loopstock. I was "dusting off" a performance mode that I've done quite a lot over the decades but haven't done for close to four years. I've done some duo electroacoustic performance with Diamanda Galas, Robert Black, and others, and I was performing regularly with the band Cosmic Debris for about three years, processing the other members (flute, voice, keyboard, percussion, etc) through two Eventides. The band broke up, then I got sick and was out of it for more than a year. Now I'm getting back into music making in a variety of modes including electric and MIDI guitar (with and without looping), electroacoustic improvisation (as I did at Loopstock), and composing fixed-media pieces (MIDI sequencing, digital musique concrete). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 03:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12269; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:15:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:15:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Loopstock recordings? Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:13:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200203042330.SAA09763@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com er, for us unfortunate Europeans, did someone tape all those Loopstock performances and will the recordings be available? = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 07:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27085; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:47:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:47:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c1c443$fce7ff00$2853e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: My Generation Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:48:02 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for sharing that story Richard. The Who were the first major band I ever experienced and a mind altering experience. The opening act, Ottawa locals MRQ (Modern Rock Quartet), performed a great set and I said to my date "Why aren't these guys as big as the Who?" Then the Who exploded onto the stage with Young Man's Blues (this was circa Live At Leeds) and my jaw just hit the floor! I have never been the same again - I may create ambient music now but that night is always resonating within me. (Pete's a damned tasteful synthesist too) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 07:54:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27548; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:53:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c1c444$e48f47a0$2853e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <195.3306677.29b55d19@aol.com> Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Robert Rich Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:54:31 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Expect looping components from each artist, including visuals. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sunday, April 7th @ Art System, 327 Spadina Ave., Toronto The Ambient Ping and Stained Productions proudly present ambient electronic music pioneer ROBERT RICH in concert with special guests, soundscape artists dreamSTATE and light projections by General Chaos Visuals. $12 in advance - $15 at the door Doors open at 8:00 PM - dreamSTATE at 8:45 PM Robert Rich at 10:00 PM - All ages welcome This will be a non-smoking event Read full details & bios at the Stained Productions website: http://www.stainedproductions.com/events/rich/index.html For those planning to travel to Toronto for this special concert the above webpage also includes a direct PayPal link to guarantee Out-of-Town Ticket Reservations. Toronto advance ticket outlets: ROTATE THIS (620 Queen St. W.- just west of Bathurst) SOUNDSCAPES (572 College St.- 4 blocks w of Bathurst) THE AMBiENT PiNG (Tuesdays at club nia / C'est What 19 Church St.at Front St. - ask for Scott) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Robert Rich - http://www.rrich.com/rrframeset.html dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamSTATE.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Stained Productions http://www.stainedproductions.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 13:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15982; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:04:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:04:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c1c470$1c7b2be0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock recordings? Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:03:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The majority was recorded to DAT- if any become available it will most likely take some time- I wanted to let Jon know if you need any assistance with the project let me know- I would be happy to work on it in my studio- Cliff PS- I'm sorry I missed the Sunday brunch! Hopefully we will be doing this again sooner than later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:13 AM Subject: Loopstock recordings? > er, for us unfortunate Europeans, did someone tape all those Loopstock > performances and will the recordings be available? > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 13:08:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16171; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:07:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:07:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003601c1c470$1c7b2be0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <003601c1c470$1c7b2be0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:15:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Loopstock recordings? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm also dying to hear the Loopstock tapes, it sounded like it was a wonderful time and some great music was made. Sorry to have missed it, will definitely drag my sorry ass southward if it happens again! >The majority was recorded to DAT- if any become available it will most >likely take some time- > >I wanted to let Jon know if you need any assistance with the project let me >know- I would be happy to work on it in my studio- > >Cliff > >PS- I'm sorry I missed the Sunday brunch! Hopefully we will be doing this >again sooner than later. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Peters" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:13 AM >Subject: Loopstock recordings? > > >> er, for us unfortunate Europeans, did someone tape all those Loopstock >> performances and will the recordings be available? >> >> = michael peters >> = computer graphics + electronic music >> = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb >> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 13:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17005; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:27:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:27:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock recordings? Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:26:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2002 18:26:25.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[42748460:01C1C473] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >er, for us unfortunate Europeans, did someone tape all those Loopstock >performances and will the recordings be available? MP3's of some shows will be posted on LD website pending permission from the performers, and pending me transfering 7 hours of DAT's onto my computer... Jon _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 13:30:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17129; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.23c27cca.29b667fe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:27:10 EST Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr. Zvonar, In a message dated 3/4/02 10:42:40 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >I have several, but just wasn't in a mood to be hawking them at the >performance. Well, I know what you mean about "hawking." But selling a few of my own made the whole trip a lot more reasonable of a proposition to my better half. Anyway, if you'd let me know what is available -- and where -- I just might buy a few. Your set was great! I have a certain background in "electronic music" from a decade or 2 ago and very much appreciated what you were doing. I used to be in SEAMUS back in Los Angeles (I was once president of the LA chapter) and participated in and also put on many "electro-acoustic" shows around college music departments in Southern Calif and on KPFK's "Music of the Americas" with pals Jeff Kaiser and Bernardo Feldman. Those were fun years... but so are these. Best, Ted PS: Oh! Just in case you are wondering. Dr. Bob Sterling is actually a medical doctor -- an ER surgeon in fact. He works about 10 days a month and surfs and plays drums the rest of the time. Such a life. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 13:30:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17131; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:28:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:28:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C850F44.FAF13A6A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:36:11 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: My Generation References: <003601c1c443$fce7ff00$2853e540@sunspot> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott McGregor Moore wrote: > Thanks for sharing that story Richard. The Who were the first major > band I ever experienced and a mind altering experience. The opening > act, Ottawa locals MRQ (Modern Rock Quartet), performed a great set > and I said to my date "Why aren't these guys as big as the Who?" > Then the Who exploded onto the stage with Young Man's Blues > (this was circa Live At Leeds) and my jaw just hit the floor! > I have never been the same again - I may create ambient music now > but that night is always resonating within me. > (Pete's a damned tasteful synthesist too) > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com i wasn't going to, but this prompted me to chime in- i also caught the who at that show in oakland with the grateful dead (which we all thought a rather odd bill at the time). pardon me if i don't remember much more than pete's trademark windmills and a really stellar rendition of st. stephen by garcia et al (it was the '70's mind you)... a small side note: there's quite a nice letter to the editor of tape op in the last issue by mr. townshend himself, lauding the merits of that particular enterprise. nice to see pete's reading good stuff... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 13:52:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18227; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:50:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:50:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:49:31 -0800 Subject: Loopstock picts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <9b.23c27cca.29b667fe@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey gang, I posted the picts I took at: http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/index.htm sorry, I didn't get all the artists or performances, but I posted all of them. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 13:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18822; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:58:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:58:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:58:07 -0800 Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <9b.23c27cca.29b667fe@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of Doctors... Katrin (the Stick player) has a Phd in astro physics from Cornell, and now dabbles in neurophysics at USCF when she's not playing music. Which leads me to my next question/thread, what do loopers do when they're not looping? How do we pay for all this stuff? Just curious... I do animation and video design, mostly as support for a corporate events company. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 10:27 AM, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > Oh! Just in case you are wondering. Dr. Bob Sterling is actually > a medical doctor -- an ER surgeon in fact. He works about 10 days > a month and surfs and plays drums the rest of the time. Such a life. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:07:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20429; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:05:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:05:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:05:15 -0600 Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Mark Sottilaro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a graphic artist / web designer for an eye care facility in Indiana. =) -Mike on 3/5/02 12:58 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net said somethin' like: > speaking of Doctors... Katrin (the Stick player) has a Phd in astro > physics from Cornell, and now dabbles in neurophysics at USCF when she's > not playing music. > > Which leads me to my next question/thread, what do loopers do when > they're not looping? How do we pay for all this stuff? Just curious... > > I do animation and video design, mostly as support for a corporate > events company. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 10:27 AM, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: >> Oh! Just in case you are wondering. Dr. Bob Sterling is actually >> a medical doctor -- an ER surgeon in fact. He works about 10 days >> a month and surfs and plays drums the rest of the time. Such a life. >> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:08:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20502; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:06:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:06:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c1c478$de69a670$6801a8c0@quagmire> Reply-To: "Greg Kucharo" From: "Greg Kucharo" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock picts Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:06:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! I was just going to ask if anyone had posted pictures somewhere. Is it too much to ask for some captions so we can find out who's who? -Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Loopstock picts > hey gang, > > I posted the picts I took at: > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/index.htm > > sorry, I didn't get all the artists or performances, but I posted all of > them. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:08:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20495; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:06:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:06:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mlandman@pop.sonic.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:18:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to echo (hmmm, that seems appropriate) everyone else and thanks Hans for his hard work, a truly wonderful job! The trip down from north of SF was well worth it, a fine day of music with many memorable moments, a few thoughts- Stan- Enjoyed the Surf music, and was gassed by the PCM being cranked to minimum delay for a closer, a great finish. Mark Hamburg- I hereby dub you "King of Swirl", wonderful textures that sometimes developed slowly, and other times surprised me by seeming to come from nowhere. I assume you were fading 'tween loops, but it was very effective. Steven Rice- I'm surprised to hear this was your first public looping performance, it seemed to go very smoothly. I'm impressed with the "bravery" of acoustic loopers, as this surely adds to the already heavy load of technical difficulty involved in setting up and performing. Sleeping- Mark, you shouldn't have told us you were re-connecting power cables, I was convinced that you were a "processing madman" re-patching on the fly... What was that nice high-pass filter effect you used on your loops? Jon and Matthias- Another great set, especially fun as Jon had essentially changed his approach to what he intended to do at the proverbial 11th hour. Needless to say, it worked very well. Matthias's guitar playing was, as many have commented, quite wonderful, beautiful harmonic loop fade-out at the end, unintentionally accompanied by ambient cell phone ringing. Especially impressive as Matthias didn't have his own processors and presets to work with. Max Valentino- Very, very, musical and tasteful set despite dreaded technology gremlins attacking. Bonus points for suckering entire crowd into believing Jamman had died again, then bringing back loop on the downbeat! A gorgeous bass sound and style... Rich and Cliff- Varied and deep processing, heavy bouncing of loops with mucho processing, I wish you guys had a cd of this... Richard Zvonar- Uh, WOW! It's funny how the maxim is an artist who is essentially playing dials and knobs isn't visually interesting, yet by the end of Richards set he had us stacked like cordwood along the sides of the wall so we could watch him release his sonic mayhem. Richard, if you're in the mood and have the interest, I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on signal processing and treatment, algorithms, etc. Rick Walker's Loop.Pool- Despite the return of the dreaded technological gremlins, an outstanding set. Rick is exceptionally musical and creative, and knocked everyone out despite losing "the machine my whole act is based on..." I suspect Rick could make wonderful music with 2 tin cans and a long piece of string, and think this is a good lesson for all of us who tend to be somewhat gear obsessed. Ted Killian and Dr. Bob- Ted absolutely "snarled" on his guitar. His loops, especially combined with some of Dr. Bob's more "ambient" Handsonic playing, created very powerful sonic textures. Tom Heasley- I had heard that Tom was good, but was flabbergasted by the beauty of his piece. By that point in the evening I was tired, cold, and my back was aching terribly no matter how I positioned myself (one of the hazards of reaching 48 years of age), but once Tom started I just laid down on the floor and was transformed, totally and blissfully lost. A beautiful, gauzy, haze of timbre. The only two disappointments of Loopstock for me were 1), Tom's set was too short and 2) Andre didn't play... Bill Walker- Another big WOW! Very musical and intelligent playing (I guess these are Walker family traits), Perhaps the most effective use (for me at least) of Repeater's capabilities. Bill, you absolutely have to get this recorded, and let us know when you do! And lastly, Armatronix. Perhaps the most impressive in terms of seamlessly manipulating a truly HUGE amount of gear, and a definite rhythmic powerhouse! FutureRetro analog synth, Jomox analog drums, loops, guitar, turntables and vocoders. I was fairly exhausted at this point and desperately wanted to retire to the motel, but I enjoyed Armatronix too much to leave! You guys were all great, and I wish I had a chance to meet and talk to all of you. As it was, I believe I benefited from many diverse lessons in musicality, taste, and approach. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:11:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20913; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:09:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:09:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:03:56 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:58 AM -0800 3/5/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >speaking of Doctors... Katrin (the Stick player) has a Phd in astro >physics from Cornell, and now dabbles in neurophysics at USCF when >she's not playing music. My last professional band, Salamander 1972-74, featured an MIT astrophysicist on lead guitar. He discovered galaxies as a day gig. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:11:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20915; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:09:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:09:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:01:50 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) In-reply-to: <9b.23c27cca.29b667fe@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <9b.23c27cca.29b667fe@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:27 PM -0500 3/5/02, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: >Well, I know what you mean about "hawking." But selling a few of >my own made the whole trip a lot more reasonable of a proposition >to my better half. It helps to have someone along (such as said "better half") to handle the merchandise. I was expecting that there'd be a table set up with everyone's CDs on display and available for purchase. That might be a good thing for future events. It saves the potential mild embarrassment of having to switch between being an artiste and a huckster (not that there's anything wrong with saying, "By the way I have CDs for sale" - just that I felt uncomfortable so I didn't do it). >Anyway, if you'd let me know what is available -- and where -- I >just might buy a few. Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" from CDnow.com ($17.49), Amazon ($15.99), or from me ($15.00). Robert Black's "State of the Bass" from CDeMUSIC.org ($16.00) - it has two collaborative pieces by Robert and me, plus a bunch of other interesting work including a loopy piece by Paul Dresher. Zvonar/Black "The Banff Sessions" from me ($12.00) contains those same two pieces plus three others, on CDR. Zvonar "3 for 5" from me ($12.00) - a piece in three movements for solo percussion and tape, on CDR. Klang "B-108" from me ($12.00) - five songs by an avant-punk band that also included composers Paul Dresher, Brenda Hutchinson, Mark Lockett, on CDR. Ill Wind "Flashes" from various vendors - a reissue of the 1968 album on the Italian label Akarma. So far the band doesn't get any royalties from this "grey" reissue, but I'll be happy to copy it to CDR (a boot of a boot). There's also a self-titled Diamanda Galas LP on Metalanguage (out of print) that has some of my work as collaborator. "Panoptikon" in particular has some hevay metal voice loops. >I have a certain background in "electronic music" from a decade or 2 >ag...I used to be in SEAMUS back in Los Angeles (I was once >president of the LA chapter) I was a charter member of SEAMUS. I was at the first organizational meeting at CalArts in 1984 . I dropped out after a couple of years but rejoined recently. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21683; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:19:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:19:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C851997.57CD9CE9@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:16:39 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation - Walker Family = Genetic Loop Predisposition References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Landman wrote: > Bill Walker- Another big WOW! Very musical and intelligent playing (I > guess these are Walker family traits), Perhaps the most effective use > (for me at least) of Repeater's capabilities. Bill, you absolutely > have to get this recorded, and let us know when you do! Have to chime in quickly and say that Bill's set was definitely a highlight for me. Aside from his GREAT playing, what I took from his performance was that it's still completely possible to present a solo guitar and looping show that falls somewhere in the "ambient" zone... but have it be VERY fresh, original, and engaging. And as Mark alluded to, Bill's use of the Repeater really opened my eyes; for me personally, he seemed to be exploiting that particular unit's unique features in a way I haven't otherwise heard. Man, what is it with you Walker brothers?! :() --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22179; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:26:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:26:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mlandman@pop.sonic.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:39:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Landman Subject: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, the day job question... I'm a Fire Captain at Novato Fire, been there for about 26 years (gasp!). I've also played around doing early computer illustration in the 90's, appearing in Mondo 2000 a lot. One of my favorite assignments there was an illo of Brain Eno, where I converted a photo of his head into a giant rock statue, and buried it a huge desert. Kind of a take on "Ozymandias"... I've also done a lot of comix in Photoshop and Freehand. Yes, my claim to fame is I'm the creator of "Fetal Elvis", and yes, it is just as weird as it sounds... Mark >speaking of Doctors... Katrin (the Stick player) has a Phd in astro >physics from Cornell, and now dabbles in neurophysics at USCF when >she's not playing music. > >Which leads me to my next question/thread, what do loopers do when >they're not looping? How do we pay for all this stuff? Just >curious... > >I do animation and video design, mostly as support for a corporate >events company. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 10:27 AM, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: >> Oh! Just in case you are wondering. Dr. Bob Sterling is actually >>a medical doctor -- an ER surgeon in fact. He works about 10 days >>a month and surfs and plays drums the rest of the time. Such a life. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:33:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22571; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:32:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:32:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <041f01c1c47c$4b1b8c90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock picts Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:31:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <_MZO6.A.KgF.Y0Rh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark! Thanks for the pix! What FUN! Good pix too! I especially like: http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/pages/P3020029.htm and http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/pages/P3020030.htm with Matthias, Rick, and Jon playing and Dr. Bob looking on from the stairs. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: Loopstock picts > hey gang, > > I posted the picts I took at: > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/index.htm > > sorry, I didn't get all the artists or performances, but I posted all of > them. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22898; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:38:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:38:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <043601c1c47d$2bcbfef0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:37:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a software engineer for a database manufacturer in West Lafayette, Indiana. (Hey, Mike. Where in Indiana?) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Feeney" To: ; "Mark Sottilaro" Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) > > > I'm a graphic artist / web designer for an eye care facility in Indiana. =) > > -Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23180; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C851F13.9457423F@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 20:40:03 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock picts References: <041f01c1c47c$4b1b8c90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas wrote: > > Hey Mark! > > Thanks for the pix! What FUN! > > Good pix too! I especially like: > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/pages/P3020029.htm and > http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/pages/P3020030.htm > > with Matthias, Rick, and Jon playing and Dr. Bob looking on from the stairs. > Dr bob ??? is that the new pseudo of bobdog of LD fame Claude PS: Ahh Matthias with his looping socks, looping guitar, looping hairdo :=) bisoux From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:50:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23676; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:49:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:49:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:49:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock picts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007e01c1c478$de69a670$6801a8c0@quagmire> Message-Id: <0AE19D05-3072-11D6-B6DC-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes. On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 11:06 AM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > Thanks! I was just going to ask if anyone had posted pictures > somewhere. > Is it too much to ask for some captions so we can find out who's who? > > -Greg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:49 AM > Subject: Loopstock picts > > >> hey gang, >> >> I posted the picts I took at: >> >> http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/index.htm >> >> sorry, I didn't get all the artists or performances, but I posted all >> of >> them. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:50:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23507; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:48:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:48:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:47:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I am a processing madman... but just not at that moment. That high pass filter on the loops was the Alesis AirFX. One of the best $149 purchases I've ever made, IMO. Fun to watch happen too. Maybe you couldn't see I was waving my hand over it from your position. Anyway, what I do is "spin the dial" and pick a random program and see what it does. It's not always successful, but often you can get a nice surprise. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 11:18 AM, Mark Landman wrote: > Sleeping- Mark, you shouldn't have told us you were re-connecting power > cables, I was convinced that you were a "processing madman" re-patching > on the fly... What was that nice high-pass filter effect you used on > your loops? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:51:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23510; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:48:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:48:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Looping with EDP Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:47:36 -0600 Message-ID: <027d01c1c47e$999d97d0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have read the EDP manual, which just seems to be a reference manual describing each function of the EDP and I have found it difficult to envision how I would use this live. There aren't any suggestions about signal routing, types of effects that you can accomplish, etc. I have seen some of the tips stuff on the loopers-delight site, but they seem to be more like nice ideas and cool things to try, rather than the hows and whys. Is there some place that I can go to learn more about this? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:51:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23613; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:48:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:48:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c1c47d$dc4a56a0$a3065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #258 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:41:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <0artYD.A.LwF.GESh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #258 February 28, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Detlef Keller, Mario Schönwälder, and Friends. These artists will be featured at the Manikin Marathon in April, a 36 hour concert celebrating ten years of the Manikin label. The Featured CD at midnight was "Project Inter.com" by braun, Broekhuis, Keller and Schönwälder on the Manikin label. The vinyl show starter was "New Age of Earth" by Ash Ra Tempel on the Isadora label. I played the music of Robert Rich who will be at the Gathering on March 23. Keller, Schönwälder and Friends http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#feb Manikin Marathon http://www.manikin.de/bodynews.html#sulza_e Robert Rich http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Ash Ra Tempel Sunrain New Age of Earth (Isadora) VA [Orbital] Old Style Earth Dance 2000 (CyberOctave) Wave World Sphere (Radio Mix) Sphere (Quantum) Robert Rich Dante's Anthropomorphic Bestiary (Release) Zoo Navigator Trama Bit CDR Prerelease Antonio Testa & A Mechanical Dust Prayer for the Forest Alio Die Sphere (GreenHouse) Loren Nerell Irama Lilin Dewa (Side Effects) Stephen Philips * Cycles 4 (Dark Duck) Tales Sagitarius' Gate The Seskian Wars (Somewhere In Time) 12:00 am Braun, Broekhuis, In the Barn Project Inter.com (Manikin) Keller & Schönwälder Braun, Broekhuis, Come and Taste the Band Project Inter.com (Manikin) Keller & Schönwälder Part One Braun, Broekhuis, Not From This World Project Inter.com (Manikin) Keller & Schönwälder Braun, Broekhuis, Epilogo do Bologna Project Inter.com (Manikin) Keller & Schönwälder 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Detlef Keller, Mario Schönwälder, and Friends. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Project inter.com" by Braun, Broekhuis, Keller & Schönwälder on the Manikin label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "New Age of Earth" by Ash Ra Tempel on the Isadora label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24148; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:54:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:54:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:51:50 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Loopstock picts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c301c1c47f$30d460c0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > hey gang, > > I posted the picts I took at: > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/index.htm > > sorry, I didn't get all the artists or performances, but I posted all of > them. The hell with them, at least you got the toilets! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 14:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24337; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:57:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:57:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <94.2271cf3b.29b67ceb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:56:27 EST Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First . . . on 3/5/02 12:58 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net said: >Which leads me to my next question/thread, what do loopers do when >they're not looping? How do we pay for all this stuff? Just curious... Then another one . . . In a message dated 3/5/02 11:05:58 AM, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: >I'm a graphic artist / web designer for an eye care facility in Indiana. To which I say . . . Well, I don't do much web stuff directly but I'm co-owner/co-Creative Director (read graphic artist) for a small ad agency who's biggest client is Warwick Bass in Germany. We do stuff for some techie/audiophile companies in the Bay Area too. Southern Oregon is a cheap place to live. I don't have to work so hard to get by here -- just continue to do good work. We have an MI client or two in Southern Cal and one in Italy as well. That's about it. I enjoy life and play weird guitar music the rest of the time (I do some digital, visual "fine art" as well). Got the same wife for 24 years, plus 3 sons (9, 12 and 16) to keep me from going crazy. I'm a Deacon in a local church, and try to do my part for the "down and out." When weather permits, I mow the lawn, and retire to a hammock in the back yard with a beer or an iced tea. Life is good . . . and not too complicated . . . knock on wood. I feel reeeeeally blessed and try not to take it too much for granted . . . it could all be "gone in a moment" as they say . . . [:-)> Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:03:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25749; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:01:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:01:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020305200136.6161.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: SRice Subject: Re: A Post Loopstock Debriefing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a sales engineer for a computer manufacturer. Not at all artistic, or meaningful to me. Once I had customer visit scheduled for Halloween and the sales guy told me "Don't wear a costume." My reply was "Every day I come here I'm wearing a costume. What you mean is 'Don't dress like yourself.'" Incidentally, Loopstock was not my first performance, but was my first solo and first use of a looper. I've done African drumming and "world trance" for small groups for a couple of years, so don't be quite as impressed. Yours in rhythm, Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:11:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26230; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:09:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:09:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:04:44 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Acoustics references In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was some discussion on Sunday about reference materials on musical acoustics. Here are some of the books in my personal library: Acoustics and Psychoacoustics Backus, J. (1969). The acoustical foundations of music. New York: Norton. Benade, A. H. (1976). Fundamentals of musical acoustics. London: Oxford Univ. Press. Benade, A. H. (1960). Horns, strings & harmony. New York: Anchor. Bland, D. R. (1960). Vibrating Strings. London: Routledge & Kegan Paul. Clynes, M., ed. (1982). Music, mind, and brain: The neuropsychology of music. New York: Plenum. Cogan, R. (1984). New images of musical sound. Cambridge: Harvard U. Press. Helmholtz, H. (1885). On the sensations of tone. New York: Dover. Howard, D. M. & Angus, J. (1996) Acoustics and psychoacoustics. Oxford: Focal. Mathews, A. F. (1988). Violin acoustics: A new look at the old art. Miller, D. C. (1934) The science of musical sounds. New York: Macmillan. Olson, H. F. (1967). Music, physics, and engineering. New York: Dover. Pierce, J. R. (1983). The science of musical sound. New York: Scientific American Books. Roederer, J. G. (1975). Introduction to the physics and psychophysics of music, 2nd ed. New York: Springer. Seashore, C. E. (1938). The psychology of music. New York: McGraw-Hill. Swenson ,G. H. (1965) Principles of modern acoustics. Cambridge: Boston Technical Publishers. Winckel, F. (1967) Music, sound and sensation: A modern exposition. New York: Dover. Listening and Sound Cognition Bregman, A. S. (1990) Auditory scene analysis. Cambridge: MIT. Erickson, R. (1975) Sound structure in music. Berkeley: U. of California. Handel, S. (1991) Listening: An introduction to the perception of auditory events. Cambridge: MIT. Krumhansl, C. L. (1990) Cognitive foundations of musical pitch. New York: Oxford. Meyer, L. B. (1956). Emotion and meaning in music. Chicago: Univ. of Chicago Press. Slawson, W. (1985) Sound Color. Berkeley: U. of California. And here are some useful URLs: http://www.tonmeister.ca/main/bibliography/acoustics.html http://www.show-control.com/docs/thsndbib.html http://www.zainea.com/Bibliography.htm http://www.usc.edu/dept/architecture/mbs/315/315bib.html http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/smithsh/acoustic.html http://www.rpginc.com/news/biblio.htm http://www.public.coe.edu/~jcotting/tcmu/muslink.htm http://www.clis.umd.edu/students/756/756hunt2.html http://iwk.mdw.ac.at/ma/ma-links.htm http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jos/tonehole/Bibliography.html http://www.akin.ru/e_resour.htm http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/articles/textes/Risset78d/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:11:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26238; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:09:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:09:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:09:03 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: History of electronic music - book In-reply-to: <94.2271cf3b.29b67ceb@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <94.2271cf3b.29b67ceb@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Joel Chadabe's "Electric Sound" is an excellent history of electronic music, available from CDeMUSIC: -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:14:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26578; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:12:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:12:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:12:09 -0800 Subject: Ted's CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <94.2271cf3b.29b67ceb@aol.com> Message-Id: <45BC4E8A-3075-11D6-B6DC-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, speaking of hawking CDs, I did pick up Ted's CD. Very nice Ted! You need to do less apologizing, my friend. It's a fine piece of work. I think the negative reviews (not that they were all that negative) were missing the point. I think they were expecting more production, but it seems to me that you were going for the immediacy of the moment, rather than a perfect take, or a lot of overdubs. Am I wrong? Anyway, I like it. What's that going into your headstock? My guess was some type of sustaniac like device. Am I right? Mark On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 11:56 AM, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > First . . . > > on 3/5/02 12:58 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net said: > >> Which leads me to my next question/thread, what do loopers do when >> they're not looping? How do we pay for all this stuff? Just >> curious... > > Then another one . . . > > In a message dated 3/5/02 11:05:58 AM, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > >> I'm a graphic artist / web designer for an eye care facility in >> Indiana. > > To which I say . . . > > Well, I don't do much web stuff directly but I'm co-owner/co-Creative > Director (read graphic artist) for a small ad agency who's biggest > client > is Warwick Bass in Germany. We do stuff for some techie/audiophile > companies in the Bay Area too. Southern Oregon is a cheap place to live. > I don't have to work so hard to get by here -- just continue to do good > work. We have an MI client or two in Southern Cal and one in Italy as > well. > That's about it. I enjoy life and play weird guitar music the rest of > the time (I do some digital, visual "fine art" as well). Got the same > wife > for 24 years, plus 3 sons (9, 12 and 16) to keep me from going crazy. > I'm a Deacon in a local church, and try to do my part for the "down and > out." When weather permits, I mow the lawn, and retire to a hammock > in the back yard with a beer or an iced tea. Life is good . . . and not > too > complicated . . . knock on wood. I feel reeeeeally blessed and try not > to > take it too much for granted . . . it could all be "gone in a moment" as > they say . . . [:-)> > > Best, > > Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:14:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26605; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:13:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:13:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020305201240.48255.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:12:40 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <94.2271cf3b.29b67ceb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, I don't do much web stuff directly but I'm > co-owner/co-Creative > Director (read graphic artist) for a small ad agency > who's biggest client > is Warwick Bass in Germany. We do stuff for some no kidding...i play warwicks and i have to say, they make the finest basses that my fingers have had the pleasure of gracing...i'll never play another bass or look at bass the same way since i got my warwick! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26891; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:15:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:15:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: A Post Loopstock Debriefing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020305200136.6161.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in an effort to all learn who we are (especially new-comers to the list like myself)... i am an unemployed programmer in NY currently doing whatever temp work/odd jobs i can find to pay the bills (especially the nice hunky bill for my new repeater). several musical projects in the works and several 'real job' leads in the works...so hopefully everything will come together soon. by the way, any programmers from NY on the list looking for new employees? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:21:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27271; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:19:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:19:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:13:15 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Thaddeus Cahill's Telharmonium In-reply-to: <94.2271cf3b.29b67ceb@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <94.2271cf3b.29b67ceb@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Weidenaar, R. Magic Music from the Telharmonium. Scarecrow Press. http://www.mediaalliance.org/membersworks/Weidenaar/weidenaar.html http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/telharmonium/ http://personal-pages.lvc.edu/~snyder/em/dyna.html http://www.synthmuseum.com/magazine/0102jw.html http://www.uwlax.edu/LS/Music/theory/telharm.html http://www.gmeb.fr/InstrumentsVirtuels/cahill/telharmo-ang.html http://www.gyrofrog.com/telharmo.html http://www.keyboardmuseum.com/pre60/1800/telharm.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:21:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27314; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:19:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:19:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:16:59 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Hugh LeCaine's Early looping machines (1955-67) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.hughlecaine.com/en/sptape.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:28:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28041; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:27:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:27:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:31:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: My generation etc.. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The one and only time I saw the Who was at the infamous Cow Palace show where Kieth Moon was reportedly slipped a micky of some sort and literally passed out on top of his drum kit. about 15 minutes later Pete Townshend brought him back out kicking and screaming (theatrically speaking) and they proceeded into the Quadraphrenia material. After another few minutes Kieth goes down again. this time after about 20 minutes Pete comes out and announces kieth will not be returning and is there a drummer in the house? After another few minutes Pete announces a guy by the name of Steve from the audience would be filling in for Mr. Moon. As dissapointing as this was the guy actually pulled it off, and got his 15 minutes of fame playing with the Who. I always wondered why they did'nt use the drummer from the opening act Lynrd Skynrd. Maybe like me they were offended by the big confederate flag hung up behind the stage. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 15:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29336; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:46:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:46:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c1c454$95700cd0$20f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <003401c1c07f$dc883c60$25f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: footpedal suggestions for eventide and switchblade? Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:46:48 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com need some advice for footcontrollers for eventide dsp7000 and switchblade 8b? thanks -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 16:01:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30106; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:58:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <047801c1c488$6311c5b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <94.2271cf3b.29b67ceb@aol.com> Subject: Re: Hugh LeCaine and Thaddeus Cahill Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:57:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great links, Richard! I especially like the picture of the 1957 Special Purpose Tape Recorder. It's even on wheels! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 16:07:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31969; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:05:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:05:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020305125752.022b3de8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:01:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: footpedal suggestions for eventide and switchblade? In-Reply-To: <00a301c1c454$95700cd0$20f8c440@g0wn7> References: <003401c1c07f$dc883c60$25f8c440@g0wn7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some people around here like the Digitech PMC10 - but it's out of production. There happens to be one up on eBay right now (but no pix - gotta wonder what the paint job is like...): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1520083080 At 02:46 PM 2002/03/05 +0000, Jim wrote: >need some advice for footcontrollers for eventide dsp7000 and switchblade >8b? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 16:15:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32670; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:14:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:10:11 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Loopstock picts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016a01c1c48a$23382ea0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <041f01c1c47c$4b1b8c90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" > Hey Mark! > > Thanks for the pix! What FUN! > > Good pix too! I especially like: > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/pages/P3020029.htm and > http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/pages/P3020030.htm > > with Matthias, Rick, and Jon playing and Dr. Bob looking on from the stairs. What kind of guitar is that? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 16:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00573; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:16:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:16:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:25:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: A Post Loopstock Debriefing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1kfM_D.A.CI.qWTh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >in an effort to all learn who we are (especially >new-comers to the list like myself)... > Until last November, I was designing CD-Roms and web sites that accompanied college-level Computer Science texts for a huge (and ultimately evil) publisher from the East Coast who will remain nameless. I've been surviving since then working a couple days a week at a used record store, and doing quite a bit of engineering/production work either here at my home studio or at a couple of local studios. I just finished doing a demo for a very fine Tool/Incubus-inspired rock band, last month I mastered a avant-garde jazz sax/bass/drums trio, and tomorrow I start producing a CD for a local punkish/alt-rock songwriter. I've been rather pleased to find that there actually is work in this area doing something I love and already have a lot of the gear to do. I am still looking for another more stable day gig, but enjoying this while it lasts. I'm also gigging a lot, playing bass with an avant funk band 5-10 shows a month(!) in addition to occasional Minus gigs. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 16:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04328; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:50:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:50:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <12.1b5df921.29b69779@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:49:45 EST Subject: Re: Ted's CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 3/5/02 12:12:34 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >but it seems to me that you were going for the immediacy of the moment, >rather than a perfect take, or a lot of overdubs. Am I wrong? Pretty close. I pretty much walked into the studio, set up my gear and played. The stuff on the CD is all one take -- me doing my thing with no overdubs and very minimal editing or post-processing. It was done in a "pro" studio, with discreet stereo tracks for each piece of sound producing gear (not in my garage as some reviewers have assumed) and the production aesthetics reflect the producer's (Jeff Kaiser's) own take on what he thought best to do with it (harsh hi-end, the "in-your-face" tonal thing, and "his" mix of all those discreet tracks). I hadn't played any of those "pieces" before the recording -- and since then have tried hard to figure out how to approximate at least their "spirit" in performance (for those who might expect to hear them reproduced "live" -- having heard the record). The CD, essentially, IS a "live" document with no audience and entirely improvised except for a few canned loops. I feel really inadequate when it comes to the task of trying to replicate what was (for me) a once-in-a-lifetime, somewhat inspired moment. >Anyway, I like it. Thanks! I do to -- if I may say so without sounding too egoistic. My insecurities (and lame apologies) come from my lower middle-class, blue-collar up-brinning -- that offered/offers no particualr support (emotional or otherwise) for what I am as an individual or what I do creatively. I still hear mental tape-loops of my parents voices saying "What do you want to do THAT for? Why don't you get a REAL job? "Why can't you be NORMAL? Why can't you be more like _________?" etc., etc. >What's that going into your headstock? My guess was some type of >sustaniac like device. Am I right? Yup. Sustainiac Model B. Had it for years (mid/late '80s I think). I keep pestering Alan Hoover to continue producing it (and I think maybe he will someday). At least I hope so. I hate to have so much of what constitutes my "schtick" wrapped up in an out-of-production, hard-to-find piece of kit. :-) Thanks for your kind words Mark. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 17:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07330; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:28:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:28:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c1c495$07d42780$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: My generation etc.. Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:28:08 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, Nembutol. I remember reading about that in Rolling Stone... Jesus! Another Grey Hair! Oh well... :) "William R. Walker," wrote: > The one and only time I saw the Who was at the infamous Cow Palace show > where Kieth Moon was reportedly slipped a micky of some sort and literally > passed out on top of his drum kit. about 15 minutes later Pete Townshend > brought him back out kicking and screaming (theatrically speaking) and they > proceeded into the Quadraphrenia material. After another few minutes Kieth > goes down again. this time after about 20 minutes Pete comes out and > announces kieth will not be returning and is there a drummer in the house? > After another few minutes Pete announces a guy by the name of Steve from > the audience would be filling in for Mr. Moon. As dissapointing as this was > the guy actually pulled it off, and got his 15 minutes of fame playing with > the Who. I always wondered why they did'nt use the drummer from the opening > act Lynrd Skynrd. Maybe like me they were offended by the big confederate > flag hung up behind the stage. > Bill > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10031; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:59:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:59:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: A Post Loopstock Debriefing Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:58:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >an effort to all learn who we are (especially >new-comers to the list like myself)... > I now do executive recruitment for long term care (hence the email address) as a means to pay the bills but since returning to San Diego have started doing more gigs (maybe 8 a month), after supporting myself with *entertainment* work for most of twenty years . . . Guitar and vocals. Just started trying to make two EDPs, a Mackie 1202 (hmm, didn't need a mixer til now) and a doubleneck Ztar dovetail--maybe if this works I'll actually try to book a looping gig. Also, wonder who that Zvonar character bidding on the Day-Glo PMC-10 is??? Kudos to all who made the weekend bash a success (starting with Hans)--I had to do a gig (oh darn) and also volunteered play for free at my sweetheart's mother's 80th birthday. I promise to make it to the next one (?) . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:16:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10833; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:15:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:15:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:14:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loopstock 2002... Cc: Marcio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I think Jon Wagner (his performance with Mattias Grob made me >>weep, I swear!) made a dat of the whole thing. > >Thanks for the kind words Mark! This weekend and the days leading >up to it, were extremely special for me. > >About the recordings, I have several DAT tapes to wade through. thank you for doing this job, Jon >My quick review of loopstock: >-Amazing group of people with an excellent vibe in the room. >-Every single performer had multiple moments that really connected >with the crowd on many levels. >-Each performance was truly different from the others, and inspiring >in its own way. >-Many performers experienced technical difficulties which we all >understood, all performers overcame them with grace and style. >-The amount of talent in the room was probably sending the earth off its axis. well said! I just add: - Hans organization was so perfect that we did not even notice it. - The system with the two stages is the solution. Not only could we just turn around and continue listening (sometimes almost too immediately, for my taste) but all musicians had time to set up their things with care, I never felt any wave of stress through the whole day! - The concentration was fully on the music. Gear was looked at quickly and hardly turned into the focus of the presentations (I am the one who could not resist to ask the stupid question after Richards spectacle: "How did you do that?" ;-) - I still feel it would be good to also workshop and explain things, but it really should kept separately, its an all different vibe. - The health food store across the road contributed greatly (the owner showed up after it closed!) A thought chilled me: in some other families the members would soon install a jury and select the best. Maybe I should not even mention the idea, but I prefer to say: I will not come to wherever someone may do that ;-) But I can still give my opinion, right? : To me the festival spirit really came at Marks last piece. Maybe because we arrived late, but mainly because it had the power to do so... Thank you! Max deeply moved me. He spreads a lot of love, musically and personally. And he gave me a marvelous CD! Rick Loop.pooL seemed to be the one of us who understands to give a show, play with the public, direct it. We had a brilliant talk about this on Sunday. He has developed "strategies" to involved the public. We relaxed first laughing and even singing, and when he came to the bowls and the double flute in the end, we were really with him and went far! He is an example also for experienced acoustic musicians of our generation that do not have the punch to learn about the computer ways. And with this background, his computer music will stay organic, as I heard on a CD he sent me to Brasil! Bill maybe brought the most professional ambient sound. His combination of MIDI guitar and Repeater seems to be a very strong element! Ted impressed first with the biggest and apparently most rigidly structured equipment and second with the sound that came out. Very personal. I wonder how the next half hour of your show would have been. I am sure you could squeeze many other sounds out of your tower that show other sides of you, just as marvelous. With Tom I had a similar feeling. He made even more personal sound out of a tuba and very little equipment and his wave involved and fascinated easily. But its as if you would keep asking a question to the world and the answer is not heard because the LD4 has no feedback control, so it acts like an anchor instead of following you on through our phantastic world. But I may be wrong, just do it your way! Rich & Cliff were the ones with a ready composition with 10 distinct parts and video, nice to follow! Sorry not to mention everyone here. All brought their own color and talent, it was amazingly rich! Bill said: > I felt like I was at a big genial group therapy session for people with >"Gear Acquisition Syndrom" , but instead of helping us to cure our gear >addictions, it just seemed to fuel them. this sounds dramatic! Really I was amazed how much effort we make to complete our sounds. I had a hard time to keep me down on 5 rack units and one pedal. And all indicates that I should have a Repeater. But it seem essential to me to be able to set up quickly in any small space so I can participate in all kinds of cultural events. I certainly am privileged since I can mount several boards into the same box and create mixing elements into the equipment where they are needed instead of carrying a mixer, but still, why dont you try to do it without that box you only use once? ;-) I had a really good time playing with Jon and Bill. I also had technical problems: I struggled in vain to make Garys PCM80 load my pitch effects, so I used it as Reverb and tried to create similar effects on Kims Intellifex which did not really succeed. So I had to basically play the guitar which is also nice ;-) I hope we suggested a kind of meeting for next time. Jon and I had two rehearsals on Thursday and Friday, which helped and was fun and interesting for both of us. Hopefully other partners can hook up even more spontaneously at the next meeting. It gives each one more time to play ;-) Can you hear what comes out if Max throws me a MIDIclock line? Its my dream for next time ;-) I feel a lot better. My story of the last years became connected to flesh and metal and smiles and a lot of hair ;-) Remember me saying that my loops turned into music when I plaid with Marcio Miranda in 1988 in Rio? I was very exited about it but he (an extremely versatile musician that makes quite some money for his big family with all kinds of productions) cooled me down: "You dont expect to become old, based on a delay and a reverb, do you?" Well, it seems that input and feedback is strong enough to keep this loop going for another while... We started something that will not fade too soon. Thank you all! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:17:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10685; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:15:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:15:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20020304185025.5238.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:14:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) / Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 10:50 AM -0800 3/4/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >>i couldn't find these on buy.com...i did a search few >>searches for simple technology and flash cards. any >>help? > >http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10153448&hdwt=30421&loc=101 Richards patience to post the links was mentioned at Loopstock. He said that he simply starts up google and then pastes it. But he does it and it would not necessarily be him to do it... We are learning so much of more value from what he knows and tells well, and he is a strong and beautifull man (or healthy? what should I say, not to be ridiculous? ;-), I had a very good time with you Richard, thank you! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11199; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:17:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:17:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:15:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: LoopStock Recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thats a nice one! >Hi everyone- > I haven't yet examined the recordings from loopstock, but I'll be >doing that this weekend. I'm excited to hear the results! Anyway, >I'd like to offer each of you a few options up front for how I >should handle the recording of your show. Please respond with your >preferences when you have a chance: > >[ ] Please destroy all evidence of my performance immediately >[ ] Please place my performance on a CD and mail it to me, and agree >not to release my recording under any cicumstances >[ ] Please create mp3s of my performance and let me hear them and >tell you what to do >[ ] Please create mp3s of my performance and release them to the LD website > >Also, you have the option of letting me use my judgement on how to >prepare your recording (basic mastering process), or to leave the >digital bits just as they appear on the DAT. > >Jon I would love to listen to it with you and maybe do some edits! Its a bit too much material, so maybe each one could suggest parts that he especially likes and want them to be published... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:19:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11421; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:17:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:17:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <027d01c1c47e$999d97d0$420e88cf@stevespc> References: <027d01c1c47e$999d97d0$420e88cf@stevespc> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:15:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looping with EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "M. Steven Ginn" said: >I have read the EDP manual, which just seems to be a reference manual >describing each function of the EDP and I have found it difficult to >envision how I would use this live. There aren't any suggestions about >signal routing, types of effects that you can accomplish, etc. I have >seen some of the tips stuff on the loopers-delight site, but they seem >to be more like nice ideas and cool things to try, rather than the hows >and whys. Is there some place that I can go to learn more about this? > >Thanks, >Steve I thought about doing some teaching during the month I am still in Oakland... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11318; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c301c1c47f$30d460c0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <00c301c1c47f$30d460c0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:16:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loopstock picts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Sottilaro" > >> hey gang, >> >> I posted the picts I took at: >> >> http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/index.htm >> >> sorry, I didn't get all the artists or performances, but I posted all of >> them. > >The hell with them, at least you got the toilets! LOL I was wondering what beautifull rooms of stone you are showing us...? Gary and others may have more pictures to complete your galery? Thank you very much! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11620; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:18:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:18:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <016a01c1c48a$23382ea0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <041f01c1c47c$4b1b8c90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <016a01c1c48a$23382ea0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:17:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loopstock picts / Paradis guitars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/pages/P3020029.htm and >> http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/pages/P3020030.htm >> >> with Matthias, Rick, and Jon playing and Dr. Bob looking on from the >stairs. > >What kind of guitar is that? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org/pParad/Parad.htm -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:20:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11745; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c1be87$11099e70$bafccd18@oemcomputer> References: <62.1b76c5c9.29ac3c85@aol.com> <3C7AEAD5.231B2117@ernieball.com> <3C7AED1F.72ABD595@altruistmusic.com> <000f01c1be87$11099e70$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:17:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new EDP question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_royKD.A.Y2C._IVh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find this a fine analisis. There is a hiss and yes it does not bother as long as a record is done with sound at the input, else it may. Luckywhise, I dont see a reason why someone to do such a silent record. > > > I just got a new Gibson EDP too, and the problem I have is that even >> > with silence into the EDP (input disconnected), I get a hiss on the >> > looped audio signal. Anybody else have this problem? >> >> I noticed this basic thing a week ago, while doing some dual EDP playing >> with another user. It was most obvious when the dry/wet balance was all >> the way to the right (i.e. set to "loop audio only".) > >It's only about half as loud with the mix 50/50 - go figure. > >> Here's the thing: My unit is a 1995 Oberheim model, and my friend's unit >> is a Gibson edition which he got about two years ago. I only noticed it >> because he happened to trigger an empty loop with his balance set to >> loop only... and I've been using my EDP for six and a half years, >> without ever having noticed it before. > > >> So my hunch is, it's a standard thing that's subtle enough to avoid >> detection most of the time. If you like, I can bring my EDP up to >> Loopstock, and you can compare the hiss factor therein... > >Now that I'm off work and back in the lab... > >There appear to be three components to the noise; one is a standard >dirty-audio-type hiss, the second is a high-pitched whine, and the third is >a sweep, kind of like a high-frequency test signal. The pitch of the whine >changes each time I sample a loop, but is always high - like, for example, a >computer fan noise - almost supersonic. It sounds a lot like an idling jet >engine from inside the plane (but not as loud). In some loops, beat >frequencies are present. > >Interestingly enough, when I feed the EDP's output back into the input, put >on a short (.10s) loop, and hold overdub for 30 second or so, none of the >components appear to get any louder. > >FWIW, before it died, my other, Oberheim-branded EDP (of unknown vintage) >was pretty quiet - I never noticed any noise after Shane fixed the hum. > >> Lemme ask you this: do you notice any pronounced hiss when you fire up >> an initial cycle with an audio signal running into the EDP? Moreso than >> you recall previously? > >If I put in a signal at high enough level, it completely masks the noise. >When it bothers me, is when I try to start a loop from silence instead of >with the drum machines already running, and suddenly we're on the runway >waiting to taxi. For somebody used to playing through a Twin Reverb, it's >nothing; but it's loud enough to be annoying in this digital age, especially >when the rest of my early-80's vintage analog e-Bay bargain rig is almost >dead-quiet. > >I dunno, maybe the whining noise is just me. > >-Hans > >> >> --Andre >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11969; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:19:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:19:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:10:18 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: A Post Loopstock Debriefing In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:58 PM -0800 3/5/02, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Also, wonder who that Zvonar character bidding on the Day-Glo PMC-10 is??? ! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:27:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12693; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:25:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:25:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:24:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: A Post Loopstock Debriefing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >an effort to all learn who we are (especially > >new-comers to the list like myself)... I do programming (any language, Java these days) and have since 1979... I have a lot of weird splinter skills too (magic, photography, origami, etc...), who knows why! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13166; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:31:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:31:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020305044543.006a3a88@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 04:45:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: My Generation In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2c-Bc.A.3LD.6UVh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool story. Thanks, M.... At 10:24 PM 3/4/02 -0800, you wrote: >I'm glad that my treatment of "My Generation" was well received. I've >had a long and intimate relationship with that song. > >It was first released in 1965, and I still remember the first time I >heard it. I was driving down Pacific Coast Highway, somewhere near >LAX, when it came on the radio. I was so blown away by it that I had >to pull the car over to the shoulder and park until it was over. I >was an instant Who fan. > >The following year I was in my first "real" band, with paying gigs >and all, and two of my bandmates had some folk musician friends name >Sandy and Jeannie Darlington, who had been buskers in London and got >to know Pete Townshend. Pete would sometimes send these folks dubs of >his home demo tapes, and I got to hear versions of his new material >before it was released. Imagine the thrill of hearing "I Can See for >Miles" as recorded by Pete Townshend alone in his livingroom! > >In 1968 I had a particular thrill when our band was booked to open >for the Who in the Boston Music Hall. They weren't particularly "big" >yet, having just three albums out. They were traveling with only two >roadies, one of them a short little cockney fellow named "Sweaty" and >the other a young American lad who made sure we knew he was Jim >Morrison's brother. Of the band members themselves, Pete and Roger >Daltrey were quite sociable, while John Entwhistle and Keith Moon >were aloof. What first broke the ice was that Pete noticed we'd been >smoking joints and asked to buy our roaches (naturally we gave him >whatever we had). Then we mentioned the Sandy and Jeannie connection >and things got even more relaxed. We learned that they were working >on a new rock opera about a deaf, dumb, and blind boy (they played >"Pinball Wizard" that night). Also it happened that there was a >feature story on Pete in the current Rolling Stone, and he paged >through it making comments about the various photos in the spread >("pensive," "earnest," that sort of thing). It got quite chummy. We >even made plans for Pete and Roger to come out to our band house >after the concert. > >That never happened. They'd been on the road too long, and Keith Moon >was especially road-crazy. He'd been drinking already and by the time >they got to their second set he was totally manic. When they reached >the climactic destructo-rama bit where they'd smash up all the >instruments, Keith went a few steps beyond theater and REALLY got >into it. He started throwing his drums into the audience, and this >incited a near-riot as fans tried to climb up on the stage. Sweaty >was in the orchestra pit throwing drums back up on the stage and fans >back into the audience. He had a lot of upper body strength for a >little guy. Finally Keith staggered off the stage, kicking over our >drummer's kit on the way, and smashed his hand through a window. He >cut himself rather badly in the process, and since the band had a gig >in Central Park in New York the following day, Pete begged off and >they took care of Keith. > >I've seen the Who perform a couple of times since then, once doing >Tommy in its entirety at the Boston Tea party and another time on a >double bill with the Grateful Dead, but I never did get chummy with >them like that night. My own musical career went on from rock to >electronic music, and then in 1978 I learned of Keith Moon's death. >My immediate impulse was to make a tape piece out of My Generation, >accentuating the stuttering effects and highlighting Keith's manic >drumming. Unfortunately my composition teacher had other ideas of how >to further my compositional education and I put aside the idea - that >is until last weekend! > >By the way - a few years ago I got ancient enough to join AARP >(American Association of Retired Persons) and in addition to the >hotel discounts and other benefits I was privileged (and embarrassed) >to receive their monthly "Modern Maturity" magazine, which basically >tells you how groovy it is to be old and in the way. Last year they >must have figured out that this message wasn't quite coming across to >the influx of new Boomer members, so they started a new magazine with >a hipper style and message. The title: "My Generation" >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14203; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:49:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:49:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c1c4a0$59b30340$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <027d01c1c47e$999d97d0$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: Looping with EDP Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:49:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not make a simple video tape instruction? You could simply tape the instruction with attendees or just do a "bedroom" style version solo- This way you could offer your 1 time instruction to many more people than would be able to attend live in Oakland- I'm sure someone on the list could provide VHS duplication- there could even be a cd version with a .mov file instead- I figure if you have the fire to do the instruction it might as well be exploited to its fullest potential- and who better than one of the creators themselves! Cliff PS- Don't use Kim's old BetaMax video camera. ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Looping with EDP > "M. Steven Ginn" said: > > >I have read the EDP manual, which just seems to be a reference manual > >describing each function of the EDP and I have found it difficult to > >envision how I would use this live. There aren't any suggestions about > >signal routing, types of effects that you can accomplish, etc. I have > >seen some of the tips stuff on the loopers-delight site, but they seem > >to be more like nice ideas and cool things to try, rather than the hows > >and whys. Is there some place that I can go to learn more about this? > > > >Thanks, > >Steve > > I thought about doing some teaching during the month I am still in Oakland... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 18:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14579; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:54:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:54:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c1c4a1$059341c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <027d01c1c47e$999d97d0$420e88cf@stevespc> <003401c1c4a0$59b30340$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Looping with EDP Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:53:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PSS- If you decide to try the video- using a clip on mic instead of the camera's mic would be highly reccomended- or better yet- mix that with the EDP output using a mixer into the camera- OR record audio/video separately and merge them in post production- Ok, I'll stop now- I promise. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Looping with EDP > Why not make a simple video tape instruction? You could simply tape the > instruction with attendees or just do a "bedroom" style version solo- This > way you could offer your 1 time instruction to many more people than would > be able to attend live in Oakland- I'm sure someone on the list could > provide VHS duplication- there could even be a cd version with a .mov file > instead- I figure if you have the fire to do the instruction it might as > well be exploited to its fullest potential- and who better than one of the > creators themselves! > > Cliff > > PS- Don't use Kim's old BetaMax video camera. ;) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: Looping with EDP > > > > "M. Steven Ginn" said: > > > > >I have read the EDP manual, which just seems to be a reference manual > > >describing each function of the EDP and I have found it difficult to > > >envision how I would use this live. There aren't any suggestions about > > >signal routing, types of effects that you can accomplish, etc. I have > > >seen some of the tips stuff on the loopers-delight site, but they seem > > >to be more like nice ideas and cool things to try, rather than the hows > > >and whys. Is there some place that I can go to learn more about this? > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Steve > > > > I thought about doing some teaching during the month I am still in > Oakland... > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 19:11:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16472; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c1c49b$07231840$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <027d01c1c47e$999d97d0$420e88cf@stevespc> <003401c1c4a0$59b30340$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Looping with EDP Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:11:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias (& Kim?) Please, please, please, please, please, please do this while you two are together for a while. Distribution and $$ can be worked out later (or in parallel), but please consider doing this. We'll all be (even further) in debt to you both. Doug Cox (lonely looper in the Lone Star state) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Looping with EDP > Why not make a simple video tape instruction? You could simply tape the > instruction with attendees or just do a "bedroom" style version solo- This > way you could offer your 1 time instruction to many more people than would > be able to attend live in Oakland- I'm sure someone on the list could > provide VHS duplication- there could even be a cd version with a .mov file > instead- I figure if you have the fire to do the instruction it might as > well be exploited to its fullest potential- and who better than one of the > creators themselves! > > Cliff > > PS- Don't use Kim's old BetaMax video camera. ;) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: Looping with EDP > > > > "M. Steven Ginn" said: > > > > >I have read the EDP manual, which just seems to be a reference manual > > >describing each function of the EDP and I have found it difficult to > > >envision how I would use this live. There aren't any suggestions about > > >signal routing, types of effects that you can accomplish, etc. I have > > >seen some of the tips stuff on the loopers-delight site, but they seem > > >to be more like nice ideas and cool things to try, rather than the hows > > >and whys. Is there some place that I can go to learn more about this? > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Steve > > > > I thought about doing some teaching during the month I am still in > Oakland... > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 19:13:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16846; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <027d01c1c47e$999d97d0$420e88cf@stevespc> <003401c1c4a0$59b30340$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Looping with EDP Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:11:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 00:11:12.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CDB9DD0:01C1C4A3] Resent-Message-ID: <8loIjC.A.qFE._6Vh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Why not make a simple video tape instruction? You could simply tape the > instruction with attendees or just do a "bedroom" style version solo- This > way you could offer your 1 time instruction to many more people than would > be able to attend live in Oakland- I'm sure someone on the list could > provide VHS duplication- there could even be a cd version with a .mov file > instead- I figure if you have the fire to do the instruction it might as > well be exploited to its fullest potential- and who better than one of the > creators themselves! I can capture to mini-DV, with shure wireless mics for the spoken portion. I can then encode it to streaming media, and host it for a while; enough time for everyone on this list to see/hear it and grab a copy. Just say when and where. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 19:42:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18328; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:40:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8565FD.2F05B5E2@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:42:37 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Looping with EDP References: <027d01c1c47e$999d97d0$420e88cf@stevespc> <003401c1c4a0$59b30340$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <003c01c1c4a1$059341c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or - record EDP to left channel and voice to right channel in the camera, then mix the two in post. -Hans "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > > PSS- If you decide to try the video- using a clip on mic instead of the > camera's mic would be highly reccomended- or better yet- mix that with the > EDP output using a mixer into the camera- OR record audio/video separately > and merge them in post production- > > Ok, I'll stop now- I promise. > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: Looping with EDP > > > Why not make a simple video tape instruction? You could simply tape the > > instruction with attendees or just do a "bedroom" style version solo- This > > way you could offer your 1 time instruction to many more people than would > > be able to attend live in Oakland- I'm sure someone on the list could > > provide VHS duplication- there could even be a cd version with a .mov file > > instead- I figure if you have the fire to do the instruction it might as > > well be exploited to its fullest potential- and who better than one of the > > creators themselves! > > > > Cliff > > > > PS- Don't use Kim's old BetaMax video camera. ;) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthias Grob" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:15 PM > > Subject: Re: Looping with EDP > > > > > > > "M. Steven Ginn" said: > > > > > > >I have read the EDP manual, which just seems to be a reference manual > > > >describing each function of the EDP and I have found it difficult to > > > >envision how I would use this live. There aren't any suggestions about > > > >signal routing, types of effects that you can accomplish, etc. I have > > > >seen some of the tips stuff on the loopers-delight site, but they seem > > > >to be more like nice ideas and cool things to try, rather than the hows > > > >and whys. Is there some place that I can go to learn more about this? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Steve > > > > > > I thought about doing some teaching during the month I am still in > > Oakland... > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 19:42:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18438; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:41:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:41:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C856645.1607230D@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:43:49 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Loopstock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight , Paul Andreano , Daniel Seymour , Rick Walker , Max Valentino , Matthias Grob , Hans Lindauer , Ted Killian , Rich Atkison , Steven Rice , Stan Card , Tom Heasley , Mark Sottilaro , Mark Hamburg , Richard Zvonar , Bill Walker , "io777@iname.com" , "Cliff@BienAppraisers" , Jon Wagner From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, Thanks to all of you who came out to Loopstock to perform, help, and observe. I hope everyone has at least partially recovered by now. Thanks also for your kind words before, during, and after the show. It was a real honor to be able to host such an event and to meet and perform for all of you, and I hope to be part of many such events in the future. Everybody was just so nice. Now I feel like part of a real community instead of just a virtual one. I'll leave performance reviews to the more eloquent among us, other than to say that each and every act was amazing and enlightening and humbling. I'm especially glad to have been able to provide a venue for Steven Rice's first public loopage (congratulations - great job Steve!) and also for Mark Hamburg's beautifully triumphant reappearance after 15 years away from public performance. >From what I've heard, everybody seemed to have had a wonderful time at Loopstock, and a number of people have said that they can't wait to do it again. Me either, although I propose that the organizational aspects of it be distributed between members of a team. Don't get me wrong - it was a great experience to (barely) have pulled this thing off, I just didn't realize what a large chunk I was biting off when I took names for a tentative "Central Coast Looping Festival". For it to have been done right, there was enough to do for probably six or eight people, maybe more. Watch for Loopstock 2003 committee signups coming soon.... Yours, -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 19:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18839; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:43:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:43:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12.1b5df921.29b69779@aol.com> References: <12.1b5df921.29b69779@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:41:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Ted's CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_R_CsD.A.-jE.8XWh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey y'all... i enjoyed ted/dr. bob's set very much at loopstock, so i got a disc from Ted just prior to his departure. actually, he was doing such a hard sell on them i couldn't refuse. man, he just wouldn't let up.... just kidding. anyway, it's very groovy so far! but my co-workers are making some strange faces. so, Ted...? >"Why can't you be NORMAL? :) best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 20:11:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21223; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:09:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:09:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C856CE6.5968F259@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:12:06 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: A Post Loopsatock Debriefing (One Perspective) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good question Mark - I was wondering the same thing on Sunday after everyone left. I work as an engineer for Ernie Ball, Inc., makers of fine guitars and basses, strings, and accessories. My primary job functions are CNC mill programming, tooling design, quality assurance, and computer aided design. Mostly better, faster, cheaper, easier type of stuff. I also am involved in a lot of special projects. This week we're building a custom doubleneck 6/12-string guitar for John Petrucci of Dream Theater. My masterpiece is a completely self-contained mobile stage - check it out: http://www.ernieball.com/localheroes/stageforhire.html By the way, if anyone is an expert at setting up guitars, Ernie Ball needs somebody here ASAP to run the setup department. -Hans Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Which leads me to my next question/thread, what do loopers do when > they're not looping? How do we pay for all this stuff? Just curious... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 20:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21535; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:12:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:12:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C856D89.512A6237@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:14:49 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock References: <3C856645.1607230D@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight , Paul Andreano , Daniel Seymour , Rick Walker , Max Valentino , Matthias Grob , Hans Lindauer , Ted Killian , Rich Atkison , Steven Rice , Stan Card , Tom Heasley , Mark Sottilaro , Mark Hamburg , Richard Zvonar , Bill Walker , "io777@iname.com" , "Cliff@BienAppraisers" , Jon Wagner From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I almost forgot to say, you're all welcome back any time. Please stop and say hello if you're passing through. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 20:22:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22032; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:21:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.9ee9aca.29b6c8cf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:20:15 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max, In a message dated 3/4/02 8:07:06 PM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: >Ted Killian/Bob Sterling.....Ted, you are amazing! And Bob's addition on the >'peater and drum controller was exceptional! I loved every moment of your >set...and really LOVE your CD. Thanks so much for making the trip all >the way down. It was a joy to hear you. I'm about on the 4th run through of YOUR CD. Thanks for the trade. I think it's a really fine, lovely piece of work too. You've a gift for melody and putting things together elegantly. Richard Z. is right. There should have been a table with everybodys CD out for sale/trade without having to resort to the circus barker "Step right up here ladies and gentlemen! See the bearded pinhead play the electric spatula and buy a CD of this amazing performance today! Yesssireee!!!" :-) Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 20:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22825; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:38:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:38:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C85738B.9B0B56B@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:40:27 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation References: <14e.9ee9aca.29b6c8cf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, Ted - Rick and I did set up a table for that purpose (which soon became a seat) in the beginning, but somebody would have had to sit at the table and sell CDs. Next time, we'll have an MC to announce each act and tell everybody to buy their CD, and somebody else to sit at the table and take money. Any volunteers? -Hans KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > Richard Z. is right. There should have been a table with everybodys CD out > for sale/trade without having to resort to the circus barker "Step right up > here ladies and gentlemen! See the bearded pinhead play the electric spatula > and buy a CD of this amazing performance today! Yesssireee!!!" :-) > > Best, > > Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 21:44:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27177; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:43:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:43:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Looping with EDP Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:42:18 -0600 Message-ID: <02a101c1c4b8$889f1c80$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That would be awesome, especially if I lived there. :-) Steve > > "M. Steven Ginn" said: > > >I have read the EDP manual, which just seems to be a > reference manual > >describing each function of the EDP and I have found it difficult to > >envision how I would use this live. There aren't any > suggestions about > >signal routing, types of effects that you can accomplish, > etc. I have > >seen some of the tips stuff on the loopers-delight site, but > they seem > >to be more like nice ideas and cool things to try, rather > than the hows > >and whys. Is there some place that I can go to learn more > about this? > > > >Thanks, > >Steve > > I thought about doing some teaching during the month I am > still in Oakland... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 22:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31503; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:30:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: valerie@mail.valerium.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:30:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: valerie Subject: About Us - WAS: Post Loopstock Debriefing Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>in an effort to all learn who we are (especially >>new-comers to the list like myself)... Howdy, I'm one of the surly women of SLEEPING (okay, not really surly, more like stage-frightened). Mark (Sottilaro) (my husband) has been muttering to me for a couple years about the various comings and goings on the Loopers list, and after going to Loopstock, I thought it was about time I joined in. I may not have too much to say since I'm not such a gear-geek, but I do love some crazy music and enjoy making my opinions known. My name is Valerie and until last year I was a graphic designer. I'm lucky enough to be able to get by with a little contract work, but the majority of my time right now is spent on the arts: Neon (as seen in the Againinator), silversmithing (http://www.valerium.net/), music (one of these days we'll get a proper CD out) and belly dancing. I don't miss the corporate world! I loved Loopstock. Mark and I met through our love of ambient(/experimental/electronic/looped) music, and there were literally some of the best live examples I've heard there. Some very gutsy, moving, gorgeous and inspired moments. Many in fact. I think I was afraid I'd get bored eventually, but I didn't. It was a pleasure to play among you, and I thank you as a group for the warm welcome and kind words. Hans, It may have been hard to swallow, but thanks for biting off more than you could chew, intentionally or not. I too was astonished at how smoothly set-ups and breakdowns went, and I owe you one... This is the first time I've ever gotten to play with *monitors*! Hurrah! nice to meet Y'all. - Valerie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 22:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00308; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:52:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:52:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00da01c1c4c2$6d61a5a0$5b9f97c8@r5f3d1> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: Subject: Re: My Generation Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:31:52 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C1C474.0542D140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C1C474.0542D140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow ... thanks Richard for this kind of historys ! ...=20 julio ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C1C474.0542D140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wow ... thanks Richard for this kind of = historys !=20  ...
julio
------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C1C474.0542D140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 23:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03048; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:18:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <96.22c260b6.29b6f265@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:17:41 EST Subject: Re: where prog rock meets fusion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brand X From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 23:42:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05432; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:41:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:41:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00cc01c1b8a7$f0a244a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> <00ee01c1b89b$ea4d2310$080210ac@jpalmer> <00cc01c1b8a7$f0a244a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:40:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I dont quite understand what you are saying here, but you are right that there may be the desire to make a muted loop sensitive or frozzen in DelayMode. Now when you press Overdub, you automatically come out of Mute. Is that wrong? Or does anybody use Overdub to come out of Mute? >Extra button presses and delay- I would have to Mute- Record- Un-Mute- >instead of just Rec- Mute (then un-mute later when I want the loop again) - >I would assume that even in Delay mode once I hit Overdub to capture the >loop the only way to add to it would be to hit Overdub again, add, then >Overdub again to re-capture the loop. I can see how adding to a loop without >hearing it can be fun- but I would just use the Mix knob myself- Thanks for >the suggestion. > >Cliff > > >> can't you just unmute after you play what you want in the loop? >> (instead of before) >> >> i think that's what they intended for this feature... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Om_Audio" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:34 AM >> Subject: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request >> >> >> > >> > I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful >> > if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay >> > mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it >> > down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this >> > already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- >> > > > > Cliff -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 23:56:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06406; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:55:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.16.215] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock 2002... Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 04:54:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 04:54:47.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A8AAC70:01C1C4CB] Resent-Message-ID: <7HPYt.A.qgB.2Eah8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Matthias, you compliments are deeply appreciated...especially since I was so deeply moved by your mesmerizing and beautiful performance! > >Max deeply moved me. He spreads a lot of love, musically and >personally. And he gave me a marvelous CD! > . >Hopefully other partners can hook up even more spontaneously at the >next meeting. It gives each one more time to play ;-) >Can you hear what comes out if Max throws me a MIDIclock line? Its my >dream for next time ;-) ...Next time, Matthias! My dream, too! Definitely will have a MIDIclock line there, and hopefully a lot of other loopers will too! So, when and where is the NEXT ONE? Count me there, wherever it is. ....hmmmm .....how about a California Looper's Tour? There's some food for thought.... Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 23:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06270; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:55:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cb01c1c4ca$af198e10$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <7B35BBDE-2F0F-11D6-B23A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Loopstock 2002... Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:52:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C1C487.A07C1500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C1C487.A07C1500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suppose I could have done much the same performance with just two = turntables and an EDP, but it wouldn't have looked nearly as cool. :) = My rig is called the "Analogue Audio Workstation," with a 20 kHz CPU, = LP-ROM drives, six-voice synthesis module, dual monitor support, and no = memory. Although the operating system is a little outdated, I really = like the user interface. -Hans Thanks again Hans! Hans, btw, I'm seriously worried about the = possibility of you getting a hernia. DAMN do you have gear! An = impressive showing of force, but I left thinking, "I wonder if they = could have done much the same show with 2 turntables, mics, two iBooks, = and an EDP or so..." Mark Sottilaro ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C1C487.A07C1500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suppose I could have done much the same = performance with=20 just two turntables and an EDP, but it wouldn't have looked nearly as = cool.=20 :)  My rig is called the "Analogue Audio = Workstation," with a 20 kHz CPU, LP-ROM drives, six-voice synthesis = module, dual=20 monitor support, and no memory.  Although the operating system = is=20 a little outdated, I really like the user = interface.
 
-Hans
 
Thanks again Hans! Hans, btw, I'm seriously worried about the = possibility=20 of you getting a hernia. DAMN do you have gear! An impressive showing = of=20 force, but I left thinking, "I wonder if they could have done much the = same=20 show with 2 turntables, mics, two iBooks, and an EDP or = so..."

Mark=20 Sottilaro
------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C1C487.A07C1500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 5 23:58:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06714; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:57:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:57:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01cd01c1c4cb$84d5e4e0$5b9f97c8@r5f3d1> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <96.22c260b6.29b6f265@aol.com> Subject: Re: where prog rock meets fusion Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:58:11 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C1C4B2.5EB7A140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C1C4B2.5EB7A140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ''Axis As Bold As Love'' , Hendrix ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Loopbozo@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:17 AM Subject: Re: where prog rock meets fusion Brand X ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C1C4B2.5EB7A140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
''Axis As Bold As Love'' , = Hendrix
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Subject: Re: where prog rock = meets=20 fusion

Brand X
------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C1C4B2.5EB7A140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 00:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09664; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:50:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:50:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:54:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First, a big round of thanks to Hans for pulling this together. Second, I think it's rather striking that going into this the schedule looked like a disaster waiting to happen and the catch phrase for the day seemed to become "You've got another 25 minutes to play". The fact that we managed to stay more or less on or ahead of schedule the whole day is pretty stunning. Third, I want to thank the very welcoming and appreciative audience. It was great seeing so many people from the list. (We should, however, have had some sort of a prize for anyone not on the list who came to the show.) I've thought recently that one of the nice things about looping is that it frequently gives one more of a chance to look at the audience. Then, of course, there was my set where I was so focused on not making a fool of myself that I more or less forgot to really open up to the audience... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 01:15:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12150; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:14:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020305220207.023eb3e8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 22:25:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Loopstock pict identifications In-Reply-To: References: <9b.23c27cca.29b667fe@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I took a shot at identifying people. Apologies in advance for inaccuracies... P3020001: Stanitarium P3020002: Michael LaMeyer, (Katrin stick player in Sleeping), Valerie (keyboards in Sleeping) P3020003: Mark Hamburg, Ted Killian, Dr Bob Sterling, Max Valentino, ?, ?, Joe (Calaveri?) P3020004: Steven Rice P3020005: friend of Mark's P3020006: friend of Mark's P3020007: Steven Rice P3020008: Picture of mirrored wall. In the reflection: Cliff Novey, Mark (holding the camera), 2 people, me, someone else, Stan, more people... and the PA mixers P3020009: Katrin during Sleeping performance P3020010 - P3020023: Sleeping P3020026 - P3020027: Jon Wagner P3020028 and P3020030: Matthias Grob, Rik Walker, Jon Wagner P3020029: Matthias and Rik (Dr. Bob on the stairs?) P3020031: Mark Landman (?), Katrin, guy in hat, Joe, PA guy(?), Mark Hamburg, Steven Rice, (not sure who the ghost is - Michael or Jon maybe?), Max Valentino, Dr. Z, Rich Atkinson P3020032-P3020045: Madonna Inn pix? P3020046: Tom Heasley P3030047: Armatronix (Hans and Daniel Seymour) P3030048: Hans At 10:49 AM 2002/03/05, you wrote: >hey gang, > >I posted the picts I took at: > >http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/index.htm > >sorry, I didn't get all the artists or performances, but I posted all of them. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 02:07:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15286; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:06:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:06:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: About Us - WAS: Post Loopstock Debriefing Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:06:18 -0800 Message-ID: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome! Cliff -----Original Message----- From: valerie [mailto:valerie@valerium.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: About Us - WAS: Post Loopstock Debriefing >>in an effort to all learn who we are (especially >>new-comers to the list like myself)... Howdy, I'm one of the surly women of SLEEPING (okay, not really surly, more like stage-frightened). Mark (Sottilaro) (my husband) has been muttering to me for a couple years about the various comings and goings on the Loopers list, and after going to Loopstock, I thought it was about time I joined in. I may not have too much to say since I'm not such a gear-geek, but I do love some crazy music and enjoy making my opinions known. My name is Valerie and until last year I was a graphic designer. I'm lucky enough to be able to get by with a little contract work, but the majority of my time right now is spent on the arts: Neon (as seen in the Againinator), silversmithing (http://www.valerium.net/), music (one of these days we'll get a proper CD out) and belly dancing. I don't miss the corporate world! I loved Loopstock. Mark and I met through our love of ambient(/experimental/electronic/looped) music, and there were literally some of the best live examples I've heard there. Some very gutsy, moving, gorgeous and inspired moments. Many in fact. I think I was afraid I'd get bored eventually, but I didn't. It was a pleasure to play among you, and I thank you as a group for the warm welcome and kind words. Hans, It may have been hard to swallow, but thanks for biting off more than you could chew, intentionally or not. I too was astonished at how smoothly set-ups and breakdowns went, and I owe you one... This is the first time I've ever gotten to play with *monitors*! Hurrah! nice to meet Y'all. - Valerie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 02:29:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16099; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:27:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:27:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:21:47 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: CFC question (repeater) / Richard In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020304185025.5238.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:14 PM -0800 3/5/02, Matthias Grob wrote: ...a bunch of complimentary stuff. Thanks. As I said at brunch, when someone asks a question, and I know the answer, I try to answer it in a useful way with some information about where to go to learn more. If I don't know the answer, but the question is about something I also might like to know, I often go searching for the information and post the results for whoever might be interested. It's a way of doing things that I hope will encourage other people to do the same - to help us improve our collective knowledge base and to improve our collective learning skills. That way we can all be "the doctor." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 02:29:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16101; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:25:19 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Loopstock aftershock In-reply-to: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: <22kwDD.A.L7D.DTch8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got back from hearing Andre play at a coffee shop in Studio City. He's such a good guitarist, and he has great facility with his EDP. I left before the end of the set and didn't get to ask about it, but he was using a manual controller in addition to the footswitches. It looked to me like it was a drum machine that was sending out note messages as remote button presses. Andre, is this correct? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 02:48:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16783; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:47:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:47:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:38:43 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Scratch - the movie In-reply-to: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I caught an early show of the documentary film "Scratch" at the Nuart in Santa Monica. It's (I think) a fairly comprehensive look at DJ and turntablist scene. Although it didn't make me want to wear my hat backwards, I was impressed by some of artists profiled, such as Mix Master Mike and DJ Qbert. I've been looking at some of the DJ technology, and some of it really is remarkable. For those who really need to get their mitts on vinyl but want to push the envelope there are disk cutters and even a system that allows you to control a computer playback system from a special vinyl record. There are also a number of very advanced CD players that allow most or all of the vinyl spinning techniques, an then some. I wonder if anyone on the list is familiar with these systems, such as the Pioneer CDJ-1000 and Numark Axis 8. I'm also curious about some of the more advanced DJ mixers that include sampling functions. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 02:54:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17086; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:52:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:52:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:52:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock 2002... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-586741218 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00cb01c1c4ca$af198e10$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Message-Id: <23E29B6C-30D7-11D6-B6DC-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <9UzHnB.A.wKE.Nrch8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-586741218 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Oh, I forgot to tell you, it's really 2199 and you're in a pod of goo,=20= getting your reality via a direct connection to your cerebral cortex, so=20= it really doesn't matter, I guess. I for one, am going to try and=20 imagine lighter, smaller gear... glowing green and pink..... As much as I like the versatility of my rack mounted gear, preset=20 a-plenty, I really miss the days of a dozen stomp boxes with knobs and=20= more knobs... On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 08:52 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > I suppose I could have done much the same performance with just two=20 > turntables and an EDP, but it wouldn't have looked nearly as cool. :)=A0= =20 > My rig=A0is called the "Analogue Audio Workstation," with a 20 kHz = CPU,=20 > LP-ROM drives, six-voice synthesis module, dual monitor support, and = no=20 > memory.=A0=A0Although the operating system is a=A0little outdated, I = really=20 > like the=A0user interface. > =A0 > -Hans > =A0 > > Thanks again Hans! Hans, btw, I'm seriously worried about the=20 > possibility of you getting a hernia. DAMN do you have gear! An=20 > impressive showing of force, but I left thinking, "I wonder if they=20 > could have done much the same show with 2 turntables, mics, two = iBooks,=20 > and an EDP or so..." > > Mark Sottilaro > --Apple-Mail-3-586741218 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, I forgot to tell you, it's really 2199 and you're in a pod of goo, getting your reality via a direct connection to your cerebral cortex, so it really doesn't matter, I guess. I for one, am going to try and imagine lighter, smaller gear... glowing green and pink..... As much as I like the versatility of my rack mounted gear, preset a-plenty, I really miss the days of a dozen stomp boxes with knobs and more knobs... On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 08:52 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: I suppose I could have done much the same performance with just two turntables and an EDP, but it wouldn't have looked nearly as cool. :)=A0 My rig=A0is called the "Analogue Audio Workstation," with a 20 kHz CPU, LP-ROM drives, six-voice synthesis module, dual monitor support, and no memory.=A0=A0Although the operating system is a=A0little outdated, I really like the=A0user = interface. =A0 -Hans =A0 Thanks again Hans! Hans, btw, I'm seriously worried about the possibility of you getting a hernia. DAMN do you have gear! An impressive showing of force, but I left thinking, "I wonder if they could have done much the same show with 2 turntables, mics, two iBooks, and an EDP or so..." Mark Sottilaro = --Apple-Mail-3-586741218-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 02:57:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17415; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:56:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:56:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:56:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Scratch - the movie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9CD9ED7B-30D7-11D6-B6DC-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We (Sleeping) once spent an hour in a music store playing with the Pioneer CDJ-1000. I believe I posted the list as soon as we got back. An amazing piece of gear. It is the last nail in the coffin of vinyl, in my opinion. It's really good. I'm not a DJ, but there was one also checking it out, as we were, and he loved it as well. Next time I get an extra grand.... Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 11:38 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > I caught an early show of the documentary film "Scratch" at the Nuart > in Santa Monica. It's (I think) a fairly comprehensive look at DJ and > turntablist scene. Although it didn't make me want to wear my hat > backwards, I was impressed by some of artists profiled, such as Mix > Master Mike and DJ Qbert. > > I've been looking at some of the DJ technology, and some of it really > is remarkable. For those who really need to get their mitts on vinyl > but want to push the envelope there are disk cutters and even a system > that allows you to control a computer playback system from a special > vinyl record. There are also a number of very advanced CD players that > allow most or all of the vinyl spinning techniques, an then some. I > wonder if anyone on the list is familiar with these systems, such as > the Pioneer CDJ-1000 and Numark Axis 8. I'm also curious about some of > the more advanced DJ mixers that include sampling functions. > -- > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 02:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17721; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C85CB78.C44917BA@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:55:36 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Richard, Big thanks for stopping by the show tonight! (And to Cliff as well. LD in tha house...) Richard Zvonar wrote: > he was using a manual controller in addition to the footswitches. > It looked to me like it was a drum machine that was sending out note > messages as remote button presses. Exactly. The button presses were either triggering loops (I used four of them in the EDP for the show), or sending messages to either restart playback of a loop (for a stuttering effect), toggle between forward and reverse playback, or... um, h#&f sp!@d. Tell you the truth, Richard, I'm sure part of my technique with that setup was inspired by your Loopstock set, and watching you tweak things with button presses on your Eventides. So I'm glad my thievery of your licks came across OK to you! :) I also did a few bits with sending "drum" patterns out from the drum machine as MIDI events, which triggered what were originally rubato EDP loops in different rhythmic combinations. I really enjoyed the effect, and it was fun to be able to walk around while the EDP played ever-evolving rhythmic figures by itself. Best part: the lady at the shop dug the show so much that I now have a residency at the place. First Tuesday of every month. The next one (April 2) will very likely be the public debut of my EDP duo with Eric Oberthaler. (Oh yeah, Eric: We got a gig!) Thanks again Dr. Z, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 03:04:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19189; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:02:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:02:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:02:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock picts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <855F54E1-30D8-11D6-B6DC-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HA! Those are the rooms we, and our friends stayed in at the Madonna Inn. www.madonnainn.com Check out the on line picts, they're scary beyond belief! Mark On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 03:16 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >> >>> hey gang, >>> >>> I posted the picts I took at: >>> >>> http://www.zerocrossing.net/loopstock2002/index.htm >>> >>> sorry, I didn't get all the artists or performances, but I posted >>> all of >>> them. >> >> The hell with them, at least you got the toilets! > > LOL > I was wondering what beautifull rooms of stone you are showing us...? > > Gary and others may have more pictures to complete your galery? > Thank you very much! > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 03:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19651; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:06:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:06:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C85CD7F.34E0F7C7@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 00:04:16 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scratch - the movie References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-U67QB.A.WyE.P4ch8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A big part of my current view on using the EDP actually comes from what I'd call a post-DJ mentality. The idea is that the EDP is like the mixer, and the input signal (guitar, in my case) is the record that's spun. And a lot of the things I do with the EDP (glitchy insert replacements, stuttery retriggerings, the infamous remultiply + undo trick, and such) are the equivalent of "scratching" the input source. So the EDP is being used to actually sculpt and shape the sound itself, rather than just playing back the original sound that goes into it. I sort of think of some of my EDP tricks as a looping equivalent of turntablism. --A Richard Zvonar wrote: > > I caught an early show of the documentary film "Scratch" at the Nuart > in Santa Monica. It's (I think) a fairly comprehensive look at DJ and > turntablist scene. Although it didn't make me want to wear my hat > backwards, I was impressed by some of artists profiled, such as Mix > Master Mike and DJ Qbert. > > I've been looking at some of the DJ technology, and some of it really > is remarkable. For those who really need to get their mitts on vinyl > but want to push the envelope there are disk cutters and even a > system that allows you to control a computer playback system from a > special vinyl record. There are also a number of very advanced CD > players that allow most or all of the vinyl spinning techniques, an > then some. I wonder if anyone on the list is familiar with these > systems, such as the Pioneer CDJ-1000 and Numark Axis 8. I'm also > curious about some of the more advanced DJ mixers that include > sampling functions. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 03:12:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20199; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:11:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C85CE78.1F0952B2@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 00:08:24 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max valentino wrote: > ....hmmmm .....how about a California Looper's Tour? There's some food for > thought.... Been thinking the very same thing myself, Max. LA, San Luis Obispo, Santa Cruz, the Bay Area... I think it's damn do-able. And I'd love to be able to arrange such a thing while Mr. Grob is still in the states... Can we do this, folks? What needs to be arranged, in terms of specifics? How soon can we realistically book consecutive gigs up (or down) the coast? Let me know. I'm itching to hit the road with this stuff. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 03:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20745; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:22:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:22:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <00f801c1c4e8$3c9f1580$690ac5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: "Loopers List" References: <14e.9ee9aca.29b6c8cf@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loopstock appreciation Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:23:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: : "Step right up : here ladies and gentlemen! See the bearded pinhead play the electric spatula : and buy a CD of this amazing performance today! Yesssireee!!!" :-) Wait a second, I wasn't even there! David PS: You ought to hear me on the acoustic turkey baster. Damn, I'm good. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 03:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21435; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:31:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:31:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:30:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock pict identifications Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020305220207.023eb3e8@pop.mindspring.com> Message-Id: <733E3720-30DC-11D6-B6DC-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It broke my nice layout, but I added in the names, hope this helps, I know it helps me! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 04:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22484; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c1c4ec$f2c7f080$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: About Us - WAS: Post Loopstock Debriefing Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:57:28 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome Valerie! In case I've not said it, I really miss being in the US! :) I'll hold back until the attendees are finished, though one thing that might be really nice for Loopstock 2003 would be [a] an internet broadcast, and [b] some capability to play live from elsewhere (if only for the between sets material). Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > >>in an effort to all learn who we are (especially > >>new-comers to the list like myself)... > > Howdy, I'm one of the surly women of SLEEPING (okay, not really surly, more > like stage-frightened). Mark (Sottilaro) (my husband) has been muttering to > me for a couple years about the various comings and goings on the Loopers > list, and after going to Loopstock, I thought it was about time I joined > in. I may not have too much to say since I'm not such a gear-geek, but I do > love some crazy music and enjoy making my opinions known. > > My name is Valerie and until last year I was a graphic designer. I'm lucky > enough to be able to get by with a little contract work, but the majority > of my time right now is spent on the arts: Neon (as seen in the > Againinator), silversmithing (http://www.valerium.net/), music (one of > these days we'll get a proper CD out) and belly dancing. > I don't miss the corporate world! > > I loved Loopstock. Mark and I met through our love of > ambient(/experimental/electronic/looped) music, and there were literally > some of the best live examples I've heard there. Some very gutsy, moving, > gorgeous and inspired moments. Many in fact. I think I was afraid I'd get > bored eventually, but I didn't. It was a pleasure to play among you, and I > thank you as a group for the warm welcome and kind words. > > Hans, It may have been hard to swallow, but thanks for biting off more than > you could chew, intentionally or not. I too was astonished at how smoothly > set-ups and breakdowns went, and I owe you one... This is the first time > I've ever gotten to play with *monitors*! Hurrah! > > nice to meet Y'all. > - > Valerie > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 04:14:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24575; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:12:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:12:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Loopstock aftershock Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:12:04 -0800 Message-ID: <007d01c1c4ee$fcd89f00$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <3C85CB78.C44917BA@altruistmusic.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My pleasure- The drum machine technique was great and it was great to see so much loop chopping and dicing going on with material so strong in interesting harmonic content- I am a fan of eclectic and "non-Western" scales and modes- and your playing was very tasteful- congrats on the monthly gig! I look forward to hearing you again. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse Big thanks for stopping by the show tonight! (And to Cliff as well. LD in tha house...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 04:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26283; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:49:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:49:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 04:48:54 EST Subject: digitech pmc-10 and behringer comparison To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <14f.9f1054c.29b74007@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2tH4cB.A.pZG.KYeh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks!' Congratulations on the successful looping summits on both coasts! We're coming to get you, world, are your ready, ready, ready, ready . . . . ? I was wondering if anyone has a simple comparison between the functionality of the Digitech pmc-10 and the new Behringer midi board, specifically as it applies to looping tools like the repeater. There are several Digitechs available in online auctions, but I've never seen a picture of one or read a manual. Help with this would be rewarded with muchos gracias! Rockin and a rollin aaroneous From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 07:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17283; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:55:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:55:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:55:34 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Overdub-Mute From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203060808.DAA19878@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3098246134_36662_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3098246134_36662_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Now when you press Overdub, you automatically come out of Mute. Is that wrong? No, I do that a lot and it seems right to me. --MS_Mac_OE_3098246134_36662_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP Overdub-Mute
Now when you press Overdub, you automatically co= me out of Mute.
Is that wrong?

No, I do that a lot and it seems right to me. --MS_Mac_OE_3098246134_36662_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 08:17:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19673; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:16:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:16:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:15:30 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Which leads me to my next question/thread, what do loopers do when > >they're not looping? > >Mark Sottilaro I have my own "one man company" here in Sweden, producing music recordings on a small scale, writing books on "Internet Music", coediting a guitar magazine and teaching web design at the University. Everything is done on contract, no employement ;-D For certain periods I've been a pro musician, but now I have learned to care about my music by using other areas to bring money into my life. Not many people on this list are looping fulltime, eh? ;-) / Per Boysen ----------------------- http://www.boysen.se http://www.upsweden.com http://www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 10:40:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29975; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:38:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:38:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C863832.7DEB42F1@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:39:30 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: About Us - WAS: Post Loopstock Debriefing References: <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> <008b01c1c4ec$f2c7f080$0201a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL! OK, maybe next year.... -Hans "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > In case I've not said it, I really miss being in the US! :) I'll hold > back until the attendees are finished, though one thing that might be really > nice for Loopstock 2003 would be [a] an internet broadcast, and [b] some > capability to play live from elsewhere (if only for the between sets > material). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 10:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30401; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:41:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:41:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.27.29] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:41:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 15:41:01.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[51680D40:01C1C525] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well...I am a professional musician, and actually do a lot of solo/looping gigs. I have two teaching grants thru the California Arts Network and an Artist in Residence grant from the Calif. Arts Council. This allows me to do quite a few art gallery/museum shows, as well as such weird gigs as a tour of several venues in the Caliif. Penal System! This reminds me of Jon W's "salute" to Rick Walker at Loopstock. I suppose I too am somewhat of a protege of Rick's (he and Bill really got me into looping; prodding me until I finally got a looper....)For some time I was most concerned with making money thru music. I struggled as a session player/sideman in various styles, until, heeding Rick's wise advice, I began to follow my heart. Now I make a comfortable living doing what I really love. I am much happier, and I think that shows thru my music. I still do sessions and such, but 70% of my income is from solo bass/looping shows. hmmm...a solo bassist/looper who makes enough to buy a house in California...am a I blessed or what? BTW...I have just released my first solo CD, which some of you grabbed at Loopstock. There are some samples up at mp3.com www.mp3.com/max_valentino let me know what you think... Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 10:58:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31010; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:57:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:57:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <050e01c1c527$728bde50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> <20020305201456.55472.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> <008b01c1c4ec$f2c7f080$0201a8c0@eluk> <3C863832.7DEB42F1@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: About Us - WAS: Post Loopstock Debriefing Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:56:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If we're going to do that, how 'bout a building an "Internet looper"? 1) We do an internet broadcast. However, at a receiver end (say in London), we echo the signal back. Result? A delay line. Of course we should not expect consistent delay time, etc. More fun that way is my attitude. We can also close the loop and obtain infinite repeats (like a real loop vs. delay). 2) Variation 1. Say that the receiver end in London sends the stream to a Looper in Japan. Then Japan echoes back to Loopstock. Result? world-wide loop! 3) Variation 2. Include more than two hop-points. Each hop-point can add audio to the loop. We get collaborative world-wide looping! Comments? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re: About Us - WAS: Post Loopstock Debriefing > LOL! OK, maybe next year.... > > -Hans > > > "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > > > In case I've not said it, I really miss being in the US! :) I'll hold > > back until the attendees are finished, though one thing that might be really > > nice for Loopstock 2003 would be [a] an internet broadcast, and [b] some > > capability to play live from elsewhere (if only for the between sets > > material). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 11:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32395; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:01:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:01:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020306160121.73801.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:01:21 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > my music. I still do > sessions and such, but 70% of my income is from solo > bass/looping shows. > hmmm...a solo bassist/looper who makes enough to buy > a house in > California...am a I blessed or what? you are my personal hero. living out my dream! not to mention an inspiration to me who is desperately trying to find the right project or build up my gear to do it myself. > BTW...I have just released my first solo CD, which > some of you grabbed at > Loopstock. There are some samples up at mp3.com > i'd definitely be interested in getting a copy of your work to check out what you are doing. unfortunately i have no speaker hook up to the computer i use so i can't hear your samples, but let me know how i can get a copy of your work. ever hear of square pusher? i don't know much about the act other than the tape that was made for me by an old friend, but it is a bassist doing it all for a solo gig. the tape i have is really impressive and from quite a long time ago taboot! > www.mp3.com/max_valentino > later daze, e va n|s sa b __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 11:08:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32495; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:04:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C863EB6.40F39E02@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 08:07:18 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! References: <3C85CE78.1F0952B2@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <2_mJC.A.g7H.T4jh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can most likely get a venue in SLO, and you know you've got a place to stay. Give me a date (or a range of dates), and I'm on it. I really want to see that Grob/Valentino duet, and I'm intrigued by this new drum machine thing you've got happening, too. -Hans Andre LaFosse wrote: > > max valentino wrote: > > ....hmmmm .....how about a California Looper's Tour? There's some food for > > thought.... > > Been thinking the very same thing myself, Max. LA, San Luis Obispo, > Santa Cruz, the Bay Area... I think it's damn do-able. And I'd love to > be able to arrange such a thing while Mr. Grob is still in the states... > > Can we do this, folks? What needs to be arranged, in terms of > specifics? How soon can we realistically book consecutive gigs up (or > down) the coast? > > Let me know. I'm itching to hit the road with this stuff. > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 11:11:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00312; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:09:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:09:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.9e174b5.29b798e2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:08:02 EST Subject: Re: About Us - WAS: Post Loopstock Debriefing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Valerie, In a message dated 3/5/02 7:30:40 PM, valerie@valerium.net writes: >nice to meet Y'all. A pleasure to make you acquaintance. Welcome to the group. Again, please accept my apologies for not remembering which name went with which instrument (stick and keys) the other day in my post. It's either my nonskid brain or early Alzheimer's disease. :-0 Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 11:14:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00525; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.7971f79.29b799f0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:12:32 EST Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max, In a message dated 3/6/02 7:42:20 AM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: >BTW...I have just released my first solo CD, which some of you grabbed >at Loopstock. There are some samples up at mp3.com Yeah. I got one and am lovin' it. It hasn't left my CD player since we got home. Thanks again Max. Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 11:16:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00795; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:14:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:14:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:08:47 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: A Post Loopstock Debriefing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C863F0F.C7F0C81@dlcwest.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200203052320.SAA12257@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4k8D0C.A.QM.cBkh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > in an effort to all learn who we are (especially > new-comers to the list like myself)... > I'm a seasonal(you better believe it, -28C this morning!) landscaper from the barrens of Saskatchewan. Ah, the endless loop of sky and wind. Do I live here for the inspiration? Hmm, well, real estate is very cheap. Any list members around here? Shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 11:46:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02374; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:39:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:39:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c1c52d$83086450$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <9b.23c27cca.29b667fe@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020305220207.023eb3e8@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Loopstock pict identifications Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:39:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yup, that's me in the front with the glowing face. the PA guy in the back is Ryan, i believe. i took some pictures too, i'm getting them together to post up somewhere. not a whole lot of them turned out that well as i was attempting to restrain the use of a flash, so the only pictures that really turned out well were early in the day or the few times i used the flash. i'll try to label them too. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Loopstock pict identifications > P3020031: Mark Landman (?), Katrin, guy in hat, Joe, PA guy(?), Mark > Hamburg, Steven Rice, (not sure who the ghost is - Michael or Jon maybe?), > Max Valentino, Dr. Z, Rich Atkinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 12:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03237; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:56:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:56:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:53:23 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000501c1c52f$6ded2f40$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0G_VSD.A.4x.Uokh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I'm not looping... I develop educational web pages for the Peggy Notebaert Nature museum, in Chicago, IL. Trying to find more freelance web work so that I can spend less time at work and more time looping. As a looper I play in a duo (Brother Sean). My brother plays bass and I sing, play acoustic/electric guitar and loop. Kevin McPeak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 12:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05386; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:15:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:15:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:50:18 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @Zeitgeist, Cambridge MA 3.9.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks: I'll be doing video mixing at what promises to be a high energy music event on Saturday. Hope some of you can make it. subconsciouscafe astro-convertible music series @ ZEITGEIST ~ march/may Saturday 9 March 8:30 SKULL SESSION: Scott Getchell - trumpet Timo Shenko - sax Jeff Platz - guitar Chris Forkey - bass Agents of Ornettistan infiltrate the Z 10:00 FINDING THE GROOVE: INSIDE & OUT Tom Hall-saxophone, vocals Geoff Scott-guitar dj flack - turntables Mike Rivard - bass Jeff Berlin-drums ZEITGEIST GALLERY 312 Broadway, Cambridge Central Sq Redline T 617.876.2182 door @ 8 $10 (except where noted) or best offer BYOB, whydontcha! wheelchair accessable All Aegis Agitpope: www.zeitgeist-gallery.org -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 13:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09877; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:03:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:03:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: Scratch - the movie/DJ's and Echoplexes Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:57:05 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01c1c538$54850a10$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C85CD7F.34E0F7C7@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm on another list (DJ Shadow) that's been talking a lot about this movie. It's been a long time in the making and I know that a lot of folks in the scratch community are pretty excited about it. In regards to the echoplex in DJ use, I have a setup that looks a little like this: 2 Vestax PDX-2000 Direct Drive Turntables 1 Vestax PMC-07 2 Channel Mixer 1 Gibson Echoplex (With foot pedal) The echoplex is an integral part of my sets, it's what allows me to separate myself from other DJ's, by way of being able to create music rather than just play/mix it. It allows me to do more finger-painting, making a mess and trying to say "Oh yeah, that was a very deep theme that I was running with, it was making a statement about the socio-political climate in North Korea right now, and the plight of the worker......uh yeah." The setup that I have right now is not the way that I would like it, but it works and it has a lot of "functional nuances" (Jerry Rigging) that I've grown accustomed to, actually just trying to squeeze the plex into my mixer has been the problem, I wish that my mixer had effects sends, that would make my life easier....look at me I'm digressing. The turntables are the two inputs into the two-channel mixer. The echoplex is fed it's input from one of the master outputs of the mixer (the other going into the amp) using rca-->1/4" cables. I use the main mic input on the mixer as the input from the echoplex, since I'm limited in channels, I had to get creative. I control the volume of the plex, using the mic volume on the mixer. In order to overdub, I have to pan the mic channel, on the mixer, over to one side (Either right or left pan), to prevent it from overdubbing itself and coming up with a nasty hiss that eventually washes the original loop out. So, by using the glorious mono feature, I am able to overdub cleanly. Here's how I use the turntables with the echoplex: I use the plex to help me create a 'break beat' that I can work with and scratch on top of. I find a suitable 'drum kit' (A passage on a record that has a few kick/snare/symbol licks that are clean and free of other instruments) and scratch out a beat using those 2 or 3 sounds, scratching whatever pattern I feel like with the kick and snare and coming back through and letting a symbol sizzle through and over the beats that I just scratched out. (This is the foundation for about 2-3 other "songs" that I roll through and by undoing and then changing my bass lines/hooks or doing reverse work, I can make a whole different song.) Once I have the drum kit that I want, I loop it, multiply it to around 8 or 16 bars and then off to find the bass line, hook or phrase to match the rhythm. I do this for about 4 or 5 different beats (in different loops) at around the same bpm, so that I can flow around between different rhythms and beats for variety and flow seamlessly with the press of the 'next loop' button. I generally like to find or make a bass line that will span across the bars and can be very modular (easily replaced with the next bass line or hook.). That's one thing that I LOVE about the echoplex, it's ability to make modular components that can be easily switched around for dynamics. If you don't like the horns here, just undo 'em and throw in a vocal or scratch or whatever you want. Once I bring in a horn or a piano tinkling along, I like to let it run for a few cycles and feel it out, then come back in a start to work with it and scratch (or let a spoken word passage go) on top of that. If there's a good scratch that fits, I just overdub it in and keep it there, until it's time to undo it. This is the best way (for me) to remix a song, locking it's beat in (just 1 bar or so, something in between lyrics or hooks) mixing around the vocals or even bringing in another artist that has covered this tune and making them sing together over one unifying beat, trading 4 bars with each other. Singer1 on Turntable1 (preferrably an acapella version), song beat on Echoplex looping away into infinity, Singer2 on Turntable2 (preferrably acapella version of song). Mix at will. Or extend that break that keeps the people bobbing their heads. It's also great for bringing in a intro or bass line from one song into another, or keeping a Mahalia Jackson soul moan revolving around a deep grumbly beat and bringing her back in every 32 bars of each song, however you prefer to work it. Beat juggling with one-two records and a loop of the beat is another favorite application, it's like getting 3 drummers playing the same thing, slightly offset or together. By this I mean that I get 2 bars of a beat, then mix in from record 1 the same 2 bars, but either doubling up the rhythm, or accenting snares or kicks, or flamming the snares back and forth, or even offsetting record 1 a beat so that I can get all snare or kicks. I cut out the sound on the plex by using either a quick press of the mute button (starts the sample at the start at the next press, so I have to think more) or doing a long press to subtract the beat that runs while the button is pressed, then releasing to have the beat continue. This process can be further confused by adding record 2 (same beat) and now you have 3 different sources running the same beat. All of this is kept in synchronicity by 2 things, the echoplex looping and my hands back spinning (rewinding) the two records back to the start of the bars and fading in with the mixer. It's just a way to reshape a beat and get a little more personalization out of it. Making a very straight rock tune get a little more funky with more of a lag or swing in it, making a singer triple echo with a slower then faster (pitched) echo, etc. If any of this DJ/Sampler hoo ha sounds interesting, I would offer up some of the better names of DJ's who use a sampler with natural proficiency: DJ Radar (www.djradar.com) He works with 1 turntable, a mixer and an echoplex and makes the most fantastic scratch based music as a one-man band. DJ Shadow (www.djshadow.com) Much more produced and edited sampling, but good nonetheless. DJ Z-Trip (www.djztrip.com) > I'm also > curious about some of the more advanced DJ mixers that include > sampling functions. In regards to Other products that sample, etc. I upgraded from this to the vestax mixer and echoplex about 2 years ago. 1 Numark EM-360 Mixer with KAOSS Pad (This was replaced by the vestax mixer and the echoplex) The kaoss pad was the sampler, but it didn't have enough time on it (5 second max) and you couldn't overdub =(~ But it did have a gang of effects on it that were controlled by a touch pad (great feature) you could slide the effects' effect's on an x and y axis in order to produce the desired sound, and the sampler could be time stretched, chopped, reversed, etc. I recommend this as a fun mixer with a good deal of inputs (3 channels) and it will work well with an echoplex, tweaking a sound or beat with the effects processor, then looping that in the plex, then chopping it back up in the kaoss pad, then looping that in the plex again, so it's a pretty processed piece of meat by the time you're done with it. Things I wish I could do with my turntables and echoplex: I wish I could stutter. I still haven't figured out how to do it with a single plex. Alright, I am going to cut this boring diatribe short now. Thanks for listening. D -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 3:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scratch - the movie A big part of my current view on using the EDP actually comes from what I'd call a post-DJ mentality. The idea is that the EDP is like the mixer, and the input signal (guitar, in my case) is the record that's spun. And a lot of the things I do with the EDP (glitchy insert replacements, stuttery retriggerings, the infamous remultiply + undo trick, and such) are the equivalent of "scratching" the input source. So the EDP is being used to actually sculpt and shape the sound itself, rather than just playing back the original sound that goes into it. I sort of think of some of my EDP tricks as a looping equivalent of turntablism. --A Richard Zvonar wrote: > > I caught an early show of the documentary film "Scratch" at the Nuart > in Santa Monica. It's (I think) a fairly comprehensive look at DJ and > turntablist scene. Although it didn't make me want to wear my hat > backwards, I was impressed by some of artists profiled, such as Mix > Master Mike and DJ Qbert. > > I've been looking at some of the DJ technology, and some of it really > is remarkable. For those who really need to get their mitts on vinyl > but want to push the envelope there are disk cutters and even a > system that allows you to control a computer playback system from a > special vinyl record. There are also a number of very advanced CD > players that allow most or all of the vinyl spinning techniques, an > then some. I wonder if anyone on the list is familiar with these > systems, such as the Pioneer CDJ-1000 and Numark Axis 8. I'm also > curious about some of the more advanced DJ mixers that include > sampling functions. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 13:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11419; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:24:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:24:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: vocal looper? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:21:46 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000101c1c53b$c6912d70$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1C509.7BF6BD70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1C509.7BF6BD70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who out there is doing vocal loops and what are you using to pull it off? I right know am using a Repeater and an EDP for percussive and acoustic guitar loops accordingly. They are both midi synced as well. But I would like to have a separate looper that would be footpedal activated to capture come vocals on the fly. I don't really want to spend a mint (like I did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean toward the Akai from what I've read. With either of these I don't think they have the midi sync capability but I'm not sure that would be a big problem since the vocal loops wouldn't last the whole song just short parts. Any ideas/advice is much welcomed. Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1C509.7BF6BD70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Who out there is doing vocal loops and what are you = using to pull it off?

 

I right know am using a Repeater and an EDP for = percussive and acoustic guitar loops

accordingly. They are both midi synced as well. But I would like to have a separate looper

that would be footpedal activated to capture come vocals on the = fly. I don’t really want to spend a

mint (like I did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean toward the Akai from what I’ve = read. With either of these I don’t think they have the midi sync = capability but I’m not sure that would be a big problem since the vocal loops = wouldn’t last the whole song just short parts.

 

Any ideas/advice is much welcomed… =

 

Kevin McPeak

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1C509.7BF6BD70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 13:40:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12557; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c1c53e$a11d9800$56d0f6d1@richkroll> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <000101c1c53b$c6912d70$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Subject: Re: vocal looper? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:42:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C1C514.B6F03D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C1C514.B6F03D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a friend who does a solo. He sings and plays acoustic runs them = through a mixer and uses a boomerang with his effects send/rec. I think he uses an AB switch that controls = what goes through the effects loop when. It Works pretty well for him. Rich ----- Original Message -----=20 From: plain jane=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: vocal looper? Who out there is doing vocal loops and what are you using to pull it = off? =20 I right know am using a Repeater and an EDP for percussive and = acoustic guitar loops accordingly. They are both midi synced as well. But I would like to = have a separate looper that would be footpedal activated to capture come vocals on the fly. I = don't really want to spend a mint (like I did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the = Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean toward the Akai from = what I've read. With either of these I don't think they have the midi = sync capability but I'm not sure that would be a big problem since the = vocal loops wouldn't last the whole song just short parts. =20 Any ideas/advice is much welcomed.=20 =20 Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C1C514.B6F03D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a friend who does a = solo.  He=20 sings and plays acoustic runs them through a mixer and uses a=20 boomerang
with his effects send/rec. I think = he uses an=20 AB switch that controls what goes through the effects loop = when. =20 It Works pretty well for him.
 
Rich
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Who out there is doing = vocal loops=20 and what are you using to pull it off?

 

I right know am using a = Repeater=20 and an EDP for percussive and acoustic guitar=20 loops

accordingly. They are=20 both midi synced as well. But I would like to have a separate looper

that would be=20 footpedal activated to capture come vocals = on the=20 fly. I don’t really want to spend a

mint (like I=20 did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean = toward the=20 Akai from what I’ve read. With either of these I don’t = think they have the=20 midi sync capability but I’m not sure that would be a big = problem since the=20 vocal loops wouldn’t last the whole song just short=20 parts.

 

Any ideas/advice is much = welcomed…=20

 

Kevin=20 McPeak

------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C1C514.B6F03D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 13:56:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13654; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:55:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:55:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: vocal looper? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:44:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1C4FB.D6C5FEE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <000101c1c53b$c6912d70$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1C4FB.D6C5FEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just curious, why not use one of the 5 tracks (4+1) on your RPTR and EDP? I have both and find the EDP is wonderful for vocals in concert with 'backing tracks' on the RPTR. Or put vocals on the RPTR (its endlessly fascinating to pitch and or phrase shift vocals!) Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: plain jane [mailto:info@plainjanemusic.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vocal looper? Who out there is doing vocal loops and what are you using to pull it off? I right know am using a Repeater and an EDP for percussive and acoustic guitar loops accordingly. They are both midi synced as well. But I would like to have a separate looper that would be footpedal activated to capture come vocals on the fly. I don 't really want to spend a mint (like I did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean toward the Akai from what I've read. With either of these I don't think they have the midi sync capability but I'm not sure that would be a big problem since the vocal loops wouldn't last the whole song just short parts. Any ideas/advice is much welcomed. Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1C4FB.D6C5FEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just=20 curious, why not use one of the 5 tracks (4+1) on your RPTR and EDP?=20
 
I have=20 both and find the EDP is wonderful for vocals in concert with 'backing = tracks'=20 on the RPTR. Or put vocals on the RPTR (its endlessly fascinating to = pitch and=20 or phrase shift vocals!)

Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: plain jane=20 [mailto:info@plainjanemusic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, = 2002=20 10:22 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 vocal looper?

Who out there is doing = vocal loops=20 and what are you using to pull it off?

 

I right know am using a = Repeater=20 and an EDP for percussive and acoustic guitar=20 loops

accordingly. They are=20 both midi synced as well. But I would like to have a separate looper

that would be=20 footpedal activated to capture come vocals = on the=20 fly. I don’t really want to spend a

mint (like I=20 did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean = toward the=20 Akai from what I’ve read. With either of these I don’t = think they have the=20 midi sync capability but I’m not sure that would be a big = problem since the=20 vocal loops wouldn’t last the whole song just short=20 parts.

 

Any ideas/advice is much = welcomed…=20

 

Kevin=20 McPeak

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1C4FB.D6C5FEE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 13:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13655; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:55:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:55:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c1c540$649bde80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <000101c1c53b$c6912d70$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Subject: Re: vocal looper? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:54:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1C4FD.556C1080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1C4FD.556C1080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What about using one of the Repeater tracks? Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: plain jane=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: vocal looper? Who out there is doing vocal loops and what are you using to pull it = off? =20 I right know am using a Repeater and an EDP for percussive and = acoustic guitar loops accordingly. They are both midi synced as well. But I would like to = have a separate looper that would be footpedal activated to capture come vocals on the fly. I = don't really want to spend a mint (like I did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the = Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean toward the Akai from = what I've read. With either of these I don't think they have the midi = sync capability but I'm not sure that would be a big problem since the = vocal loops wouldn't last the whole song just short parts. =20 Any ideas/advice is much welcomed.=20 =20 Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1C4FD.556C1080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What about using one of the Repeater = tracks?
 
Cliff
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 plain=20 jane
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 = 10:21=20 AM
Subject: vocal looper?

Who out there is doing = vocal loops=20 and what are you using to pull it off?

 

I right know am using a = Repeater=20 and an EDP for percussive and acoustic guitar=20 loops

accordingly. They are=20 both midi synced as well. But I would like to have a separate looper

that would be=20 footpedal activated to capture come vocals = on the=20 fly. I don=92t really want to spend a

mint (like I=20 did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean = toward the=20 Akai from what I=92ve read. With either of these I don=92t think they = have the=20 midi sync capability but I=92m not sure that would be a big problem = since the=20 vocal loops wouldn=92t last the whole song just short=20 parts.

 

Any ideas/advice is much = welcomed=85=20

 

Kevin=20 McPeak

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1C4FD.556C1080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 14:02:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15459; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:59:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:59:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8667BE.6ECB7E6D@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:02:22 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Scratch - the movie References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <6xJyt.A.LxD.gcmh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In November I played around a little with the Pioneer CDJ-1000 at Guitar Center, and I was really impressed with its sound and features, although it would take me some getting used to, being accustomed to spinning with vinyl; the visual and tactile cues are somewhat lacking at this stage in the technology. Later that night, we went to see a show featuring Q-bert and Cut Chemist, and Cut Chemist was using a pair of CDJ-1000s to perform his set! Apparently he was still getting used to them (he was trembling visibly), but his set managed to convince me that CD DJing is now possible without compromising the ability to use techniques previously only possible on vinyl. I believe that the CDJ-1000 has a built-in loop function, from what I remember. I saw a number of different versions of those vinyl-controlled computer systems at NAMM, and they look very cool too. Apparently the vinyl is cut with encoder bits which tell the computer where the needle is, and the computer keeps playback at the corresponding point in the sound file. On these systems, you can definitely load a loop into the computer for manipulation - I checked. I'm not sure how these systems deal with needle skippage, since I never got to try out a working system :( The guys at the demo booth were making it look awfully tempting, however. -Hans Richard Zvonar wrote: > > I caught an early show of the documentary film "Scratch" at the Nuart > in Santa Monica. It's (I think) a fairly comprehensive look at DJ and > turntablist scene. Although it didn't make me want to wear my hat > backwards, I was impressed by some of artists profiled, such as Mix > Master Mike and DJ Qbert. > > I've been looking at some of the DJ technology, and some of it really > is remarkable. For those who really need to get their mitts on vinyl > but want to push the envelope there are disk cutters and even a > system that allows you to control a computer playback system from a > special vinyl record. There are also a number of very advanced CD > players that allow most or all of the vinyl spinning techniques, an > then some. I wonder if anyone on the list is familiar with these > systems, such as the Pioneer CDJ-1000 and Numark Axis 8. I'm also > curious about some of the more advanced DJ mixers that include > sampling functions. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 14:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16625; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:16:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:11:08 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock In-reply-to: <3C85CB78.C44917BA@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> <3C85CB78.C44917BA@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:55 PM -0800 3/5/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >The button presses were either triggering loops (I used four of them >in the EDP for the show), or sending messages to either restart >playback of a loop (for a stuttering effect), toggle between forward >and reverse playback, or... um, h#&f sp!@d. >I also did a few bits with sending "drum" patterns out from the drum >machine as MIDI events, which triggered what were originally rubato EDP >loops in different rhythmic combinations. I've developed several control panels in Max, to give random access to deeper levels of parameter control on various processors. The most highly developed version was for the TC2290. I assigned the Mac keyboard to trigger different functions or to set discrete parameter values. I also mapped faders for continuous controls of parameters that otherwise have to be set discretely. I was using these systems on a Powerbook until at one gig the computer died. Since I wasn't inclined to repair or replace it at the time, I retired the computer and stuck to simple front panel control. It's been somewhere between a liberating discipline and a cumbersome drag to "perform" the Eventides with just the front panel keypads and soft knob, but I haven't been doing enough gigs to make interface building a pressing matter. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 14:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17591; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:25:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:25:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: RE: vocal looper? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:22:44 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000001c1c544$4ae627d0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1C512.004BB7D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1C512.004BB7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have thought about placing the vocal tracks on the Repeater or the EDP I guess it just comes Down to being able to switch the input, which could be done with my morley A/B switch. Hopefully Level matching wouldn't be an issue. Also I'm not sure if I can Mute individual tracks on the Repeater, Maybe can do this I have only owned the device for a few weeks know. I guess the advantages of using the Repeater for it is that I can use the repeaters effects loop (which runs through an Eventide Eclipse) to effect the vocal loops. Thanks all for advice Kevin mcpeak -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: vocal looper? Just curious, why not use one of the 5 tracks (4+1) on your RPTR and EDP? I have both and find the EDP is wonderful for vocals in concert with 'backing tracks' on the RPTR. Or put vocals on the RPTR (its endlessly fascinating to pitch and or phrase shift vocals!) Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: plain jane [mailto:info@plainjanemusic.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vocal looper? Who out there is doing vocal loops and what are you using to pull it off? I right know am using a Repeater and an EDP for percussive and acoustic guitar loops accordingly. They are both midi synced as well. But I would like to have a separate looper that would be footpedal activated to capture come vocals on the fly. I don't really want to spend a mint (like I did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean toward the Akai from what I've read. With either of these I don't think they have the midi sync capability but I'm not sure that would be a big problem since the vocal loops wouldn't last the whole song just short parts. Any ideas/advice is much welcomed. Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1C512.004BB7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        = ;    I have thought about placing the vocal tracks on the Repeater or the EDP I = guess it just comes

        = ;    Down to being able to switch the input, which could be done with my morley A/B switch. = Hopefully

        = ;    Level matching wouldn’t be an issue. Also I’m not sure if  I can Mute individual = tracks on the Repeater,

        = ;    Maybe  can do this I have only owned the device for a few weeks know. I guess the = advantages of using the

Repeater for it = is that I can use the repeaters effects loop (which runs through an Eventide = Eclipse) to effect the vocal loops.

 =

Thanks all for = advice

Kevin = mcpeak

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, March 06, = 2002 12:44 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: vocal = looper?

 

Just curious, = why not use one of the 5 tracks (4+1) on your RPTR and EDP? =

 

I have both and = find the EDP is wonderful for vocals in concert with 'backing tracks' on the = RPTR. Or put vocals on the RPTR (its endlessly fascinating to pitch and or phrase = shift vocals!)

 

Neil Goldstein
Portland, = Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: plain jane [mailto:info@plainjanemusic.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, March 06, = 2002 10:22 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: vocal = looper?

Who out there is doing = vocal loops and what are you using to pull it off?

 

I right know am using a = Repeater and an EDP for percussive and acoustic guitar = loops

accordingly. They are both = midi synced as well. But I would like to have a separate = looper

that would be footpedal = activated to capture come vocals on the fly. I don’t really want to spend = a

mint (like I did on the = repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the Akai Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess = I lean toward the Akai from what I’ve read. With either of these I = don’t think they have the midi sync capability but I’m not sure that = would be a big problem since the vocal loops wouldn’t last the whole song = just short parts.

 

Any ideas/advice is much welcomed…

 

Kevin = McPeak

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1C512.004BB7D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 14:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18130; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:29:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:29:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c1c512$f153aac0$11f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020306160121.73801.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:29:27 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com squarepusher is a solo act from the u.k. tom richardson is his name, i believe. he does electronic music for the most part, but is a great bassist. you rarely find proficient musicians in his type of music (aphex twin, musiq, evax, etc.). his latest album on warp records is fantastic. you can hear his stuff on the warp website. check out his single "untitled". very good stuff, though not very loopy. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 14:33:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17525; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:16:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: vocal looper? In-reply-to: <000101c1c53b$c6912d70$5610d0cf@GEORGE> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000101c1c53b$c6912d70$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:21 PM -0600 3/6/02, plain jane wrote: >Who out there is doing vocal loops and what are you using to pull it off? Check out Pamela Z: http://www.pamelaz.com/ http://www.pamelaz.com/gear.html She used to perform with a stack of three looping delays (Digitech, I think), but I don't see any similar gear on her equipment list. I suspect she may be using Max/MSP for looping. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 14:34:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18773; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:32:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:32:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: vocal looper? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:21:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1C501.14AE4910" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <000001c1c544$4ae627d0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1C501.14AE4910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Level matching wouldn't be an issue. Also I'm not sure if I can Mute individual tracks on the Repeater, There are dedicated midi CC#s for muting and/or changing levels of each track independently. Check the 1.1 OS manual addendum and program your foot controller accordingly. Maybe can do this I have only owned the device for a few weeks know. I guess the advantages of using the Repeater for it is that I can use the repeaters effects loop (which runs through an Eventide Eclipse) to effect the vocal loops. This is one of the main benefits. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1C501.14AE4910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
           =20 Level matching wouldn’t be an issue. Also I’m not = sure if  I = can Mute=20 individual tracks on the Repeater, 
 
 
There are = dedicated midi CC#s=20 for muting and/or changing levels of each track = independently. Check=20 the 1.1 OS manual addendum and program your foot controller=20 accordingly.

           =20 Maybe  can do this I have = only owned=20 the device for a few weeks know. I guess the advantages of using=20 the

Repeater = for it is=20 that I can use the repeaters effects loop (which runs through an = Eventide=20 Eclipse) to effect the vocal loops. 

 

This is one of the = main benefits.=20

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1C501.14AE4910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 15:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22273; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:14:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:14:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:07:52 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Scratch - the movie In-reply-to: <3C85CD7F.34E0F7C7@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> <3C85CD7F.34E0F7C7@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:04 AM -0800 3/6/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >A big part of my current view on using the EDP actually comes from what >I'd call a post-DJ mentality. I suppose you might say that my approach stems from a pre-DJ mentality, although I'm now interested in checking out what the DJs have been doing. I consider a lot of what I do to be "sound collage" and I've been doing it in various contexts since 1969. I started thinking seriously about this kind of sound art after hearing recordings of John Cage, David Tudor, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Luciano Berio, et al. in the late '60s (my inclusion of some of their music, along with my other early influences such as the Who, was a deliberate homage in my Loopstock performance). Cage's Variations IV, with its environmental audio collage of recorded, broadcast, and live sound sources, was a particular inspiration, and it was after attending two Merce Cunnigham dance performances with music by Cage, Tudor, and Gordon Mumma that I was inspired to do my own first multimedia piece with indeterminate multichannel surround sound. I prepared four tapes, to be played back simultaneously on a quartet of tape decks, each with its own autonomous operator. My production tools were two tape decks, a Nagra for playback and a Tandberg for recording. Each had a particular transport quirk that allowed a certain range of playback or record manipulation. The Nagra had a clutch lever that could be pulled out while the tape was playing. Pulled out a little bit set it into fast forward; pulling out all the way put it into reverse. I developed a technique for continuously "scrub" the tape back and forth, very much like vinyl scratching. The Tandberg had a small lever that would pinch the tape and prevent it from moving. This was no doubt designed for cueing during playback, but I used it while in record mode as a way to punch in. An interesting artifact was produced during the brief interval while the record tape was coming up to speed. This would produce an effect on playback of a sharp attack with a quick downward glissando. In several passages punched in repeatedly over the same section of tape, creating a sort of stutter effect. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 15:30:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22949; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:29:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C867B8D.77AD817F@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:26:53 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah the day job I'm teaching modern guitar in private and have 23 students a week currently today we worked on: a Natalia Imbruglia song ?? an Offspring tune (Fast) a bossa nova song by henry salvador (a french grand pa crooner, so sweet) then there was the first lesson for a lady (you know the one lesson you gave the most) a Gerard de Palmas song (a french rock singer) and Deep purple's smoke on the water LOL Claude Mark Landman wrote: > > Ah, the day job question... > > I'm a Fire Captain at Novato Fire, been there for about 26 years > (gasp!). I've also played around doing early computer illustration in > the 90's, appearing in Mondo 2000 a lot. One of my favorite > assignments there was an illo of Brain Eno, where I converted a photo > of his head into a giant rock statue, and buried it a huge desert. > Kind of a take on "Ozymandias"... > > I've also done a lot of comix in Photoshop and Freehand. Yes, my > claim to fame is I'm the creator of "Fetal Elvis", and yes, it is > just as weird as it sounds... > > Mark > > >speaking of Doctors... Katrin (the Stick player) has a Phd in astro > >physics from Cornell, and now dabbles in neurophysics at USCF when > >she's not playing music. > > > >Which leads me to my next question/thread, what do loopers do when > >they're not looping? How do we pay for all this stuff? Just > >curious... > > > >I do animation and video design, mostly as support for a corporate > >events company. > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 10:27 AM, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > >> Oh! Just in case you are wondering. Dr. Bob Sterling is actually > >>a medical doctor -- an ER surgeon in fact. He works about 10 days > >>a month and surfs and plays drums the rest of the time. Such a life. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 15:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22948; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:29:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C867B35.3AD759BE@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:25:24 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> <3C85CB78.C44917BA@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > I've developed several control panels in Max, to give random access > to deeper levels of parameter control on various processors. [.....] > I was using these systems on a Powerbook until at one gig the > computer died. Since I wasn't inclined to repair or replace it at the > time, I retired the computer and stuck to simple front panel control. One thing I like about the drum machine idea is that it's an extremely basic MIDI task, which could almost certainly be applied with any $50 pawn shop drum machine in town. (The one I was using was already "obsolete" when I bought it back in 1988). So it's not a serious drag to have to worry about the approach being based on one expensive/esoteric controller. I wonder how easy it would be to send program change data from a drum machine, in order to control a Repeater in an elegant real-time manner...? > It's been somewhere between a liberating discipline and a cumbersome > drag to "perform" the Eventides with just the front panel keypads and > soft knob, but I haven't been doing enough gigs to make interface > building a pressing matter. I gotta say that seeing what you were doing definitely increased my appreciation of your set at the gig. It all SOUNDED great, but when I actually walked over to the side of the stage and looked over your shoulder, it FELT more like a performance, you know? I found myself sort of missing that aspect in some of the other sets that night; I was loving the way things sounded, but wishing that I could engage it in a visual sense as well. I know Torn has talked a lot about wanting to find ways of implementing visual, gestural parameter commands in a performance context, in order to help draw the audience into the process. I got the feeling last night that the drum machine interface was helping in that respect: I could very visibly reach over and hit a button, and suddenly the loop(s) would change in a really obvious way. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 15:34:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23446; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:32:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:32:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.24.165] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:31:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 20:31:32.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7642C20:01C1C54D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh-boy...sounds like something might be brewing! I am game, schedules permitting, of course. The question is how do we make this profitable (meaning so it does not costs us anything to put it on)? Perhaps we need to brainstorm a few ideas around.... Rick W. and I have discussed the possibility of a central Cali loop tour...with a possible hit in Vegas.... >I can most likely get a venue in SLO, and you know you've got a place to >stay. Give me a date (or a range of dates), and I'm on it. I really >want to see that Grob/Valentino duet, and I'm intrigued by this new drum >machine thing you've got happening, too. > >-Hans Me too, Hans, me too! And am eager to hear and see LaFosse in action!!! OK boys and girls...let's put on out thinking caps..... looptourlooptourlooptourlooptourlooptourlooptourlooptourlooptour.... Max >Andre LaFosse wrote: > > > > max valentino wrote: > > > ....hmmmm .....how about a California Looper's Tour? There's some >food for > > > thought.... > > > > Been thinking the very same thing myself, Max. LA, San Luis Obispo, > > Santa Cruz, the Bay Area... I think it's damn do-able. And I'd love to > > be able to arrange such a thing while Mr. Grob is still in the states... > > > > Can we do this, folks? What needs to be arranged, in terms of > > specifics? How soon can we realistically book consecutive gigs up (or > > down) the coast? > > > > Let me know. I'm itching to hit the road with this stuff. > > > > --Andre LaFosse > > http://www.altruistmusic.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 15:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24915; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:46:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:46:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.24.165] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JamMan Upgrade Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:45:12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 20:45:12.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[D02839F0:01C1C54F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Upon returning home from Loopstock, I pried open my JamMan and installed a new upgrade chip I rec'd from Bob Sellon. While I am still learning to use the interface on this new software, I wanted to let you know how cool things are already: One very major thing is the ability to play four discrete loops simulataneously..much akin to the repeater. Each of these "tracks" may have its own placement in the stereo field (yes, STEREO) and each has its own NON-DESTRUCTIVE fade (with the fade rate controllable). THis means I can have a loop (#1) with various overdubs running, add another "track" and even another, and yet one more...and then fade out one or more, whilst playing in r/t! Better yet...the fade direction is REVERSABLE so I can fade them back in too!...and until I replace them, I can recall those loops at any point...all via midi control or two 3 button footswitches. Pretty darn cool! It does not make the JamPuppy an EDP or repeater, but it does open up some exciting possibilities. I am still "limited" to 32 sec. of memory..but the manipulation level of that 32sec has made a quantum leap. There is also a mellotron-type sampler mode, similar to the 'repeater, and he has added acess to the delay functions in the looper mode! Being the thing now has multiple functions and "pages" for every dial setting on the original JamMAn (and the actual dial settings have no relevance anymore) it is gonna take me a little while to learn the ins and outs of the new system...but gosh it is fun! BTW...I also found my technical gremlins at Loopstock were not in the JamDude, but rather in the MidiBuddy MIDI pedal I was using....it was not acting like my buddy that night! Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 15:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25262; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:49:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:49:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c1c550$46f1ecc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> <3C85CB78.C44917BA@altruistmusic.com> <3C867B35.3AD759BE@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:46:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_eHy4D.A.TKG.oCoh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree- the key being that with the TR-626, 505, and others you can program the pads to send whatever Midi note you want- I guess if there is a drum machine that can be programmed to send CC or PC messages with their pads that would be trick as hell- I'm stoked on the idea of having a compact and inexpensive hand controller for the EDP/Rptr- and will continue to research this idea. As for the visual aesthetic- it really helps to see what is being done- I discussed this with some people at SLO about having a video camera trained on the performer's rig with a screen behind so you could take in more of the entire performance- I tried to turn mine sideways to allow at least some in the audience to see that part- it is like seeing something live as opposed to recorded- there is so much more to appreciate with the performer's live and easier with traditional instruments like guitar etc. but much more challenging with things like the EDP- I think Jon bridged this gap a bit with his custom EDP trigger pads above his snare- you could really see what was happening with him catching loops etc- I can see a dramatic extension of this idea if you made triggers with lights or made them extra large- a "Simon Says" game might work nicely- the one after the first generation that had like 6 or 8 rectangular buttons- hmm- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control > One thing I like about the drum machine idea is that it's an extremely > basic MIDI task, which could almost certainly be applied with any $50 > pawn shop drum machine in town. (The one I was using was already > "obsolete" when I bought it back in 1988). So it's not a serious drag > to have to worry about the approach being based on one > expensive/esoteric controller. > > I wonder how easy it would be to send program change data from a drum > machine, in order to control a Repeater in an elegant real-time manner...? > > > It's been somewhere between a liberating discipline and a cumbersome > > drag to "perform" the Eventides with just the front panel keypads and > > soft knob, but I haven't been doing enough gigs to make interface > > building a pressing matter. > > I gotta say that seeing what you were doing definitely increased my > appreciation of your set at the gig. It all SOUNDED great, but when I > actually walked over to the side of the stage and looked over your > shoulder, it FELT more like a performance, you know? I found myself > sort of missing that aspect in some of the other sets that night; I was > loving the way things sounded, but wishing that I could engage it in a > visual sense as well. > > I know Torn has talked a lot about wanting to find ways of implementing > visual, gestural parameter commands in a performance context, in order > to help draw the audience into the process. I got the feeling last > night that the drum machine interface was helping in that respect: I > could very visibly reach over and hit a button, and suddenly the loop(s) > would change in a really obvious way. > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 15:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25562; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:53:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:53:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:50:11 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8SUot.A.IPG.YGoh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max valentino wrote: > Oh-boy...sounds like something might be brewing! I am game, schedules > permitting, of course. The question is how do we make this profitable > (meaning so it does not costs us anything to put it on)? > Perhaps we need to brainstorm a few ideas around.... Here are some brain-storming ideas: -- CD sales could help offset expenses; I know Max and myself both have discs we could hawk. -- There's been talk about doing some sort of clinic type thing with Matthias. If we could find some sort of Bay Area performance venue/clinic space, and ask for some sort of suggested donation at the door, that would certainly help. -- How realistic would it be to find a handful of amenable venues between LA and the Bay Area that would offer a reasonable guarantee for three or four acts? For that matter, what would constitute a reasonable guarantee? For me personally, I could probably do a tour for about $20 - $30 a day (for gas money and miscellaneous expenses), assuming I could find a few floors to crash on along the way. Making a profit would certainly be nice, but breaking even is a lofty-enough goal to shoot for at this point. > Rick W. and I have discussed the possibility of a central Cali loop > tour...with a possible hit in Vegas.... Let me see here: Max, Rick W, myself... Hans? You want to join the caravan? Logistically (and financially), it might be easier for just a couple of folks to hit the road, and hook up with various other people at gigs along the way... and since Max and I are (relatively) in the same part of town, it would probably be easiest for us to coordinate a route. Though it would be great fun to have other people along for the full ride... Hmmm. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27750; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:04:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:04:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:03:10 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control In-reply-to: <004d01c1c538$54850a10$6142a8c0@dyland> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: dylan@loudcloud.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <004d01c1c538$54850a10$6142a8c0@dyland> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA27712 Resent-Message-ID: <1Le5PD.A.TxG.NRoh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:57 PM -0500 3/6/02, Dylan DeAnda wrote: >Alright, I am going to cut this boring diatribe short now. Not boring in the least! It's really interesting to hear a clear explanation of the technology, techniques, and musical rationale for this performance practice. I for one have been marginally aware of this work (I've even been involved in some events through my connection with Naut Humon and Sound Traffic Control) but haven't really been a habitué of the scene (my club days were 1965-73). Therefore it's only recently that I've taken a look at what people are doing. Although the social contexts and specific musical forms of DJ/turntablism vs. artsy sound collage and sound mangling are substantial, there are many commonalities that can be explored to mutual advantage. At 12:25 PM -0800 3/6/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >I gotta say that seeing what you were doing definitely increased my >appreciation of your set at the gig. I'm wondering if there's anything in turntable tools that I might be able to use within my own thing to justify the expense, or if I should just get back into laptop mode now that its possible to do real time audio inside a Powerbook. One obvious advantage is the reduction of schleppage. For Loopstock I carted a six-space rack chock full of Eventides, plus another 40 lbs of assorted cabling, CD players and media. It would be so much handier to have a TBook or iBook with an audio interface and a set of compact controllers. The main problem with laptopism is that it's so fucking boring to watch! The performance interface needs to be more like a traditional musical instrument, requiring effort and expressive gesture. As one of my great heroes Michel Wiasvisz points out: One has to suffer a bit while playing. Consequently, when we design the physical interface of a computer music instrument, we need to carefully match transducers with the musical...taking the feedback requirements of dynamical expression into account...As for the audience, it perceives the physical effort as the cause and manifestation of the musical tension of the piece...Even if pushing a button does not need a complex movement, like hitting a key on the piano it can be done in an expressive way. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:08:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27889; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:06:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:06:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.24.165] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:05:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 21:05:17.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DEFC090:01C1C552] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, you rock! I was thinking much along the same lines! So..LA, SLO..how's about Santa Barbara? Santa Cruz (Rick? Bill? Richard?) and bay area....hmmmm let us discuss this further, Andre. (and anyone else) Interesting side point. I live in Tehachapi CA. near here is famous landmark (historical marker) for a thing called "The Tehachapi Loop" it is a length a railway, where when they were building the first RR's in the west, it was the first place where engineers designed the tracks to "loop" over itself in order to gain altitude and make it over the mtns. I suppose that was a big feat in the 1850s... nonetheless, railway afficianados from around the worold come to visit "the loop". One of my first solo/looping shows was, of course, here. BIlled as a looping show, it was to my utter surprise and chagrin that 70% of the audience were railroad buffs expecting a train show! Probably to their surprise, too! But most stayed...it was actaully well attended about 60-70 people! Just a thought....what's a loop tour without a stop at the Tehachapi Loop? Max > >Here are some brain-storming ideas: > >-- CD sales could help offset expenses; I know Max and myself both have >discs we could hawk. ...of course, Andre.... >-- There's been talk about doing some sort of clinic type thing with >Matthias. If we could find some sort of Bay Area performance >venue/clinic space, and ask for some sort of suggested donation at the >door, that would certainly help. again..clinics are good >-- How realistic would it be to find a handful of amenable venues >between LA and the Bay Area that would offer a reasonable guarantee for >three or four acts? > >For that matter, what would constitute a reasonable guarantee? > >For me personally, I could probably do a tour for about $20 - $30 a day >(for gas money and miscellaneous expenses), assuming I could find a few >floors to crash on along the way. Making a profit would certainly be >nice, but breaking even is a lofty-enough goal to shoot for at this point. agreed. > > Rick W. and I have discussed the possibility of a central Cali loop > > tour...with a possible hit in Vegas.... > >Let me see here: Max, Rick W, myself... Hans? You want to join the >caravan? > >Logistically (and financially), it might be easier for just a couple of >folks to hit the road, and hook up with various other people at gigs >along the way... and since Max and I are (relatively) in the same part >of town, it would probably be easiest for us to coordinate a route. >Though it would be great fun to have other people along for the full >ride... > >Hmmm. > >--Andre > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28837; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:16:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:16:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JFink@cabq.gov Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:15:40 -0700 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mesa/PUBCABQ(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 03/06/2002 02:18:26 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <1uleV.A._BH.Ncoh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
I am a computer programmer, specializing in Mapping Systems
(Geographic information Systems or GIS).  I currently develop
applications for the City of Albuquerque, including interactive
web based mapping tools... its pretty fun, but i would rather
=
be looping.
 
-jas
Albuquerque
 
= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:27:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29850; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:24:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:24:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:19:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control In-reply-to: <3C867B35.3AD759BE@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> <3C85CB78.C44917BA@altruistmusic.com> <3C867B35.3AD759BE@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:25 PM -0800 3/6/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >One thing I like about the drum machine idea is that it's an extremely >basic MIDI task, which could almost certainly be applied with any $50 >pawn shop drum machine in town. This is an excellent point. It's all very well for someone to be able to do interesting work with a multi-million dollar computer music instrument (cf. Pierre Boulez and the IRCAM 4X machine) but some of the liveliest music comes out of the dust bins of our technological culture. One of the most striking segments in "Scratch" was a DJ "digging" through huge piles of vinyl detritus, searching for forgotten gems. >(The one I was using was already "obsolete" when I bought it back in 1988). I strongly recommend Laurie Spiegel's new CD "Obsolete Systems." >I wonder how easy it would be to send program change data from a drum >machine, in order to control a Repeater in an elegant real-time manner...? You need to map the status byte of a note-on to be the status byte of a MIDI control change message. This can be done with a MIDI Solutions Mapper: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmap.htm Of course, if someone is using a Powerbook with Max or other MIDI programming language, this is a near-trivial task. >when I actually walked over to the side of the stage and looked over your >shoulder, it FELT more like a performance, you know? If I'd spent more time preparing for that performance I could have eliminated a fair amount of "hunt and peck," but in recent years I've tended to put myself in the hot seat by forcing myself to confront the bottleneck of the standard user interface. >I know Torn has talked a lot about wanting to find ways of implementing >visual, gestural parameter commands in a performance context, in order >to help draw the audience into the process. I got the feeling last >night that the drum machine interface was helping in that respect: I >could very visibly reach over and hit a button, and suddenly the loop(s) >would change in a really obvious way. Cf. Michel Waisvisz's observations, quoted elsewhere. I will often exaggerate some of the gestures required to operate equipment, partly for visual interest and partly for proprioceptive (look it up) feedback. In the best of situations it is an immersion in the theatrical gesture. Pete Townshend's leaping and windmilling is an obvious example. The hand-crossings in the second of Webern's "Piano Variations" is a more esoteric one. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29875; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:25:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:25:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:23:48 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! In-reply-to: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:50 PM -0800 3/6/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Let me see here: Max, Rick W, myself... Hans? You want to join the >caravan? I'd be interested, schedule permitting. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:28:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29849; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:24:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:24:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:22:23 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:05 PM +0000 3/6/02, max valentino wrote: >near here is famous landmark (historical marker) for a thing called >"The Tehachapi Loop" it is a length a railway, where when they were >building the first RR's in the west, it was the first place where >engineers designed the tracks to "loop" over itself in order to gain >altitude and make it over the mtns. There is a similar railroad loop in British Columbia and another in New Zealand. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:36:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31105; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:34:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:32:39 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although I've been out of work much of the time lately, in recent years my main gig has been as a general factotum for Level Control Systems (LCS) , doing everything from technical and marketing writing to trade shows to technical support to customer training to hardware and software testing. I also do some creative and technical consulting for artists and organizations, and I've done a bit of teaching at Cal Arts and UCLA Extension. Lately I've been doing a lot of volunteer work for the Los Angeles chapter of American Composers Forum, helping to organize our Web site and starting up a technology program oriented toward the interests and needs of composers. You can check us out at . My music isn't all loop-based. This past year I made one piece for 8-channel surround, using cricket and frog sounds as sources, and I made another piece for nine MIDI-controlled toy pianos. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:44:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32373; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:43:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:43:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C85CE78.1F0952B2@altruistmusic.com> References: <3C85CE78.1F0952B2@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:42:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >max valentino wrote: >> ....hmmmm .....how about a California Looper's Tour? There's some food for >> thought.... > >Been thinking the very same thing myself, Max. LA, San Luis Obispo, >Santa Cruz, the Bay Area... I think it's damn do-able. And I'd love to >be able to arrange such a thing while Mr. Grob is still in the states... > >Can we do this, folks? What needs to be arranged, in terms of >specifics? How soon can we realistically book consecutive gigs up (or >down) the coast? > >Let me know. I'm itching to hit the road with this stuff. > >--Andre LaFosse >http://www.altruistmusic.com I am sure with you! I just feel I cannot help too much for the organization... My PCM80 does it now, so we can trip more... ...and I got new strings to put on! ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:46:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00305; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:45:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:45:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mlandman@pop.sonic.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:58:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! Cc: altruist@altruistmusic.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7tfKWC.A.k_H.a3oh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Andre LaFosse wrote: > >Here are some brain-storming ideas: > >-- CD sales could help offset expenses; I know Max and myself both have >discs we could hawk. > >-- There's been talk about doing some sort of clinic type thing with >Matthias. If we could find some sort of Bay Area performance >venue/clinic space, and ask for some sort of suggested donation at the >door, that would certainly help. A possible location for this could be Bananas at Large Music, in San Rafael. Rik Elswit (rik@well.com) is a salesman there who is into looping and has been enthusiastically selling loopers for a long time. I'm not sure about the suggestion donation, but I bet it's doable. I suggest this mainly in the spirit of helping you guys out, but secondarily 'cause it's close to me and I could catch the show :) best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01193; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:53:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:53:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c1c527$23e98ef0$1ef8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:54:01 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1C527.22BFB4F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1C527.22BFB4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable full-time college student, radio dj/supervisor, and jazz gigs help pay = the bills. i keep wondering if being a professional musician (a la = studio guy, pit orchestra, etc.) would spoil my desire to play my own = music...would be nice, though, to get paid to play as my job. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1C527.22BFB4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
full-time college student, radio dj/supervisor, and = jazz gigs=20 help pay the bills.  i keep wondering if being a professional = musician (a=20 la studio guy, pit orchestra, etc.) would spoil my desire to play my own = music...would be nice, though, to get paid to play as my = job.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1C527.22BFB4F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 16:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01205; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:53:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:53:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: billcumm@jhmanage.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:05:28 -0600 Message-ID: <005201c1c563$68cc7af0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "billcumm@jhmanage.com" References: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1C531.1DEF3590" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6kkiw.A.8R.V_oh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1C531.1DEF3590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I run a real estate company in NYC. It's a mix of office/retail in = Manhattan and residential apartments in the suburbs. Other than the = supers that work at the buildings, it's just me and my bookkeeper, so = between the management & the leasing it keeps me busy (it also keeps me = in gear;-) In my spare time I tinker in my home studio, play drums LIVE with my = twin brother (keyboardist Bob) and/or fellow list member Dan (the MAN) = Ash. My taste run more to the Electronica side of things these day, = Ambient + D&B & Jungle, as well as other stuff, though I am an old Jazz = & Fusion fan fromway way back. Just got tix to see David Sancious next = week at the Bottom Line (with Will Calhoun & Doug Wimbush), and the = following week I got my tix for Herbie Hancock's new Electronic = Extravaganza (Future to Future, produced by Lazwell) with theNEWDEAL = opening. Kind of psyched for both of those shows. In between the job & the music, I raise 2 kids, 2 dogs, & 2 ferretts = (with my 1 wife) ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1C531.1DEF3590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I run a real estate company in NYC. = It's a mix of=20 office/retail  in Manhattan and residential apartments in the = suburbs.=20 Other than the supers that work at the buildings, it's just me and my=20 bookkeeper, so between the management & the leasing it keeps me busy = (it=20 also keeps me in gear;-)
 
In my spare time I tinker in my home = studio, play=20 drums LIVE with my twin brother (keyboardist Bob) and/or fellow list = member Dan=20 (the MAN) Ash. My taste run more to the Electronica side of things these = day,=20 Ambient + D&B & Jungle, as well as other stuff, though I am an = old Jazz=20 & Fusion fan fromway way back. Just got tix to see David Sancious = next week=20 at the Bottom Line (with Will Calhoun & Doug Wimbush), and the = following=20 week I got my tix for Herbie Hancock's new Electronic Extravaganza = (Future to=20 Future, produced by Lazwell) with theNEWDEAL opening. Kind of psyched = for both=20 of those shows.
 
In between the job & the = music, I raise 2=20 kids, 2 dogs, & 2 ferretts (with my 1 = wife)
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1C531.1DEF3590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 17:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03441; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:04:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:04:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.174.185.114] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:03:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 22:03:25.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD01E0F0:01C1C55A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >squarepusher is a solo act from the u.k. tom richardson is his name, i >believe. he does electronic music for the most part, but is a great >bassist. you rarely find proficient musicians in his type of music (aphex >twin, musiq, evax, etc.). > >his latest album on warp records is fantastic. you can hear his stuff on >the warp website. check out his single "untitled". very good stuff, >though >not very loopy. > >-jim I first heard about Squarepusher (Tom Jenkinson) on this very list! He remains as one of my favorite musicians. I'm listening to Go Plastic right now - absolutely kick-ass! Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 17:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03876; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:11:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopstock Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:10:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 22:10:44.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3189AF0:01C1C55B] Resent-Message-ID: <1CpSVD.A.V8.DQph8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even though plenty has been said about it, I just wanted to throw in my dos pesos. First of all I would like to offer the obligatory but completely necessary "thank you" to Hans. I'm sure that this wasn't exactly a joy to put together, but I sure hope it was worth it for you. (I know it was for everyone else) Secondly I would like to thank all of the wonderful performers who made it such a terrific experience. You were all so amazing and inspirational. I had been feeling uninspired and hadn't picked up any of my instruments in a few months, but the second I got back to my house I went into my "studio" and didn't come out for hours. I had a great time, well worth the trip all of the performances were amazing and diverse. From the lush textures emanating from Mark Hamburg's beautiful Klein (funny, a week ago I was proud of my Steiny GK4T) to the wall of sound Ted Killian coaxed from his mod'd RD Artist. From Steve Rice's wonderfully constructed ethno-soundscapes to Rich and Cliff's psychedelic-trance assault. From Sleeping's brand of techno-funk to Armatronix's electronica extravaganza. My girlfriend (whose only previous looping experience was the LA Loopfest last year) was really impressed how looping transcends genres and instrument limitations, and Loopstock really drove that home with such an eclectic mix of instrumentalists and styles even to the point of allowing musicians to break free of their instrument's long standing roles. (Who would have thought a tuba could create such beautifully atmospheric music?) I'd love to give a performance by performance review, but everyone else has already done this so well. My only complaint was that I was digging all of the music so much, I really didn't get a chance to socialize and I was really looking forward to meeting those of you who were there. Oh well maybe next time :) Thanks again to everyone involved. Loop on. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 17:24:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04269; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:13:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:13:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8693D3.F2013A8A@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 14:10:26 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Narrowing it down References: <3C85CE78.1F0952B2@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK... let's see here. It would be great to have Dr. Zvonar along as well. What a motley crew this could shape up to be! Here's a proposal: I suggest that any subsequent scheduling issues try to be arranged around Matthias' presence in the Bay Area. Max/RZ/the Walkers/Myself/Hans are all natives, and can do a Cali thing any time (relatively speaking, obviously). But a US-based Grob is a rare and valuable thing. I'm guessing a weekend would be best for a Bay Area thing, since that would probably involve the largest number of list members. (Certainly, anything even remotely approaching a clinic is going to be missing something without Kim's presence there). What about something like... -- A Thursday in SLO -- A Friday in Santa Cruz -- A Weekend in the Bay Area, with maybe a clinic plus a seperate gig or two somewhere else in the vicinity. -- Possibly a Monday or Tuesday somewhere on the way back down, i.e. Santa Barbara, LA, or someplace else. What would be the possibility of renting some sort of transportation? Having one vehicle for gear hauling and personal transport could make things more economical in terms of not having to spend the same gas money for every single person... At least carpooling, perhaps? OK, somebody else's turn. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 17:34:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05538; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:33:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:33:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: "billcumm@jhmanage.com" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:02:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005201c1c563$68cc7af0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com be my dad On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:05:28 -0600 billcumm@jhmanage.com wrote: >I run a real estate company in NYC. It's a mix of >office/retail in Manhattan and residential apartments in >the suburbs. Other than the supers that work at the >buildings, it's just me and my bookkeeper, so between the >management & the leasing it keeps me busy (it also keeps >me in gear;-) > >In my spare time I tinker in my home studio, play drums >LIVE with my twin brother (keyboardist Bob) and/or fellow >list member Dan (the MAN) Ash. My taste run more to the >Electronica side of things these day, Ambient + D&B & >Jungle, as well as other stuff, though I am an old Jazz & >Fusion fan fromway way back. Just got tix to see David >Sancious next week at the Bottom Line (with Will Calhoun >& Doug Wimbush), and the following week I got my tix for >Herbie Hancock's new Electronic Extravaganza (Future to >Future, produced by Lazwell) with theNEWDEAL opening. >Kind of psyched for both of those shows. > >In between the job & the music, I raise 2 kids, 2 dogs, & >2 ferretts (with my 1 wife) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 17:41:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06095; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:38:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:38:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:37:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006e01c1c512$f153aac0$11f8c440@g0wn7> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > squarepusher > very good stuff, though > not very loopy. > -jim LOL - "not very loopy" he, he.... Sounds to me as nothing ever repeats on that album!!! Love that music too ;-) Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 17:46:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06762; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:43:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:43:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:43:17 +0000 Subject: What do loopers do when they're not looping From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good hearing what you all do in real life... :o) I'm a full time musician, and teach bass as well. Used to teach in a couple of music colleges, but found the approach of the colleges to be far too crap to be worth having to work within those frameworks... So I do solo stuff, sell solo CDs, teaching, do session stuff (everything from pop gigs to the very occasional radio or TV gig)... BTW, there's an interview with me just been put up at www.bassically.net if you're interested, with two exclusive real audio clips. One is from my new CD, out in April, with pianist Jez Carr, and the other is a track from my gig at The Knitting Factory in LA! :o) Sounds like Loop-stock was great - all the looping gigs that i've been involved in in CA have been wonderful (normally through the creative genius of Rick Walker), and I'd have loved to have been there, especially as so many artists who's music I really enjoy were playing - Rick, Bill, Max, Dr Z, Andre (Ok, you didn't play...) - all people I've seen live (ranging from some duo lunacy in the case of Dr Z, to about 7-8 sets in the case of Max and Rick. We really do need to do something in London - please e-mail me if you're in the UK and would be interested... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 17:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07334; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:48:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:48:33 +0000 Subject: re Squarepusher From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> squarepusher is a solo act from the u.k. tom richardson is his name, i believe. he does electronic music for the most part, but is a great bassist. you rarely find proficient musicians in his type of music (aphex twin, musiq, evax, etc.).<<< Tom Jenkinson... fine musician. Not doing much bass playing these days if 'go plastic' is anything to go by, but great music, not the less... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 17:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08030; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020306174232.00ae3a30@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:52:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: where prog meets fusion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_28803593==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_28803593==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed kevin simons has already heard this one, but that motel.... it's the MAGMA motel. when you check in there billy cobham registers you at the desk and has tommy bolin hop your bags to the room. now, it's a funny thing... i'm currently reading _the inferno_ and although i don't see where dante makes any reference to this particular spot i just KNOW it's there. ok, stop me, please. a:c on: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:58:11 -0300 Julio Moreno replied > ''Axis As Bold As Love'' , Hendrix to Loopbozo@aol.com who had said > Brand X all because anti:clockwise@tensionheadache.org thought _where prog rock meets fusion_ > it's a cheap motel offa state hiway 30. bout 7 or 8 miles outside. > you'll know it cause the parking lot's always full - but nobody wants to go there. --=====================_28803593==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

kevin simons has already heard this one, but

that motel....
it's the MAGMA motel.

when you check in there billy cobham registers you at the desk and has tommy bolin hop your bags to the room.

now, it's a funny thing... i'm currently reading _the inferno_ and although i don't see where dante makes any reference to this particular spot i just KNOW it's there.

ok, stop me, please.
a:c

on: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:58:11 -0300
Julio Moreno <ciego@ig.com.br>

replied

> ''Axis As Bold As Love'' , Hendrix

to
Loopbozo@aol.com

who had said

> Brand X

all because anti:clockwise@tensionheadache.org thought
_where prog rock meets fusion_
> it's a cheap motel offa state hiway 30. bout 7 or 8 miles outside.
> you'll know it cause the parking lot's always full - but nobody wants to go there.
--=====================_28803593==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:00:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09782; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:59:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003801c1c4dd$6a21c8a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:58:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Scratch - the movie / DJ sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I've been looking at some of the DJ technology, and some of it >really is remarkable. For those who really need to get their mitts >on vinyl but want to push the envelope there are disk cutters and >even a system that allows you to control a computer playback system >from a special vinyl record. There are also a number of very >advanced CD players that allow most or all of the vinyl spinning >techniques, an then some. I wonder if anyone on the list is familiar >with these systems, such as the Pioneer CDJ-1000 http://www.pioneerprodj.com/products/cdj1000/cdj1000-intro.mv >and Numark Axis 8. http://www.djaudiosuperstore.com/detail.asp?product_id=Numark_Axis_8 > I'm also curious about some of the more advanced DJ mixers that >include sampling functions. >-- yes, I keep saying that I would like to play with a DJ that can send me a sync. I think there are players that analyze the sound and create that clock, or how do they add drum samples so acurately to CDs? the two machines you mention have some "Beat Keeper" Sync, but do not seem to be MIDI... well, any clock would be fine for the EDP! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:01:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09958; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:00:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:00:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:59:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 9:05 PM +0000 3/6/02, max valentino wrote: >>near here is famous landmark (historical marker) for a thing >>called "The Tehachapi Loop" it is a length a railway, where when >>they were building the first RR's in the west, it was the first >>place where engineers designed the tracks to "loop" over itself in >>order to gain altitude and make it over the mtns. > >There is a similar railroad loop in British Columbia and another in >New Zealand. ...and in switzerland. To mount to St Gottardo, you enter the tunnel, drive for a while, and then come out in the same place, but higher, you see the beginning of the tunnel right below, its quite amazing! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:09:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10676; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:07:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:07:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-id: <951471@horton.Dartmouth.ORG> Date: 06 Mar 2002 18:07:21 EST From: Joseph.Nagraj.98@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Joseph Nagraj 98) Reply-To: Joseph.Nagraj.98@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Luke Bruce Muchly) Subject: Digitech Power Supply Issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I've been using a Digitech RP12 for several years now (and a DL4 along with it for a year or so), and last night when I took the power supply out of my carrying bag to set everything up at home, I noticed that there was a small slice in the power supply's cable. It's not that big, but big enough for me to see the conducting copper (I assume it's copper) within, and that it has been slightly severed as well. Thinking that it was merely a surface wound, I put some tape on around the area and plugged it in. The RP12 didn't power up, so I unplugged it. I then began to notice the characteristic burning-type smell of electricity and electronics gone awry coming from the transformer box on the power supply. It seems to me that it's dead, but I wonder if a quick solder job could fix it. Anyone know if that is worth attempting? Or is it best to just replace it? (I'm not an electrical expert by any means. It just seems like a tiny little thing that perhaps has a simple solution.) And if replacement is the correct route, I've also seen replacement supplys online for $35, and I'm also told that generic ones are be available. Does anyone know if the generic ones are as good? Or of a place in NYC where I can pick one up? The supply called is the "PS0920". Just hoping someone who's been through something similar can shed a little light on this. Thanks for reading, and for any input anyone can give. Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11041; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:10:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 23:10:09.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FF5E820:01C1C564] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After years and years of trying to be a rockstar (and failing), and then trying to be a college student (and failing), I decided to sell out and join the corporate world (or as near as I can get to it). I do technical art/art processing/graphic design for a computer games development company called Blizzard Entertainment here in southern california. It puts me in the painful position of being able to afford the gear I always wanted, but no time to play with it :( -p _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11336; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:14:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:14:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:10:35 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:59 PM -0800 3/6/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >>There is a similar railroad loop in British Columbia and another in >>New Zealand. > >...and in switzerland. To mount to St Gottardo, you enter the >tunnel, drive for a while, and then come out in the same place, but >higher, you see the beginning of the tunnel right below, its quite >amazing! I think a lot of the technology used for getting up and down mountains comes from Switzerland - the Swiss are the masters at that! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:17:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11637; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:16:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:16:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c1c564$e26a3fe0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: What do loopers do when they're not looping Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:16:01 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 22:43 PM Subject: What do loopers do when they're not looping > Good hearing what you all do in real life... :o) > > I'm a full time musician, and teach bass as well. Used to teach in a couple > of music colleges, but found the approach of the colleges to be far too crap > to be worth having to work within those frameworks... So I do solo stuff, > sell solo CDs, teaching, do session stuff (everything from pop gigs to the > very occasional radio or TV gig)... > > BTW, there's an interview with me just been put up at www.bassically.net if > you're interested, with two exclusive real audio clips. One is from my new > CD, out in April, with pianist Jez Carr, and the other is a track from my > gig at The Knitting Factory in LA! :o) > > Sounds like Loop-stock was great - all the looping gigs that i've been > involved in in CA have been wonderful (normally through the creative genius > of Rick Walker), and I'd have loved to have been there, especially as so > many artists who's music I really enjoy were playing - Rick, Bill, Max, Dr > Z, Andre (Ok, you didn't play...) - all people I've seen live (ranging from > some duo lunacy in the case of Dr Z, to about 7-8 sets in the case of Max > and Rick. > > We really do need to do something in London - please e-mail me if you're in > the UK and would be interested... Yes! London would be nice! :) Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12314; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:21:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:21:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Wed, 6 Mar 02 17:24:22 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:20:25 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I work part time in a travelling freak show inflating tractor tires with my lips and volunteering at the local Nude Abe Lincoln Impersonators Anonymous. In the evenings, I make fun of beef on top of the local watertower and write my name in the clouds. or not. Actually, I'm an independent application developer and part time university instructor with a very low free time to gear ratio. Sigh. -K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:39:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13254; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:36:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:36:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.7a54488.29b801cb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:35:39 EST Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4c.7a54488.29b801cb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 Resent-Message-ID: <-IXMk.A.rOD.sfqh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4c.7a54488.29b801cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow, i thought being a 4th grade teacher was loopy! =-) PJ --part1_4c.7a54488.29b801cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow, i thought being a 4th grade teacher was loopy! =-) PJ --part1_4c.7a54488.29b801cb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13362; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:38:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <6.250af3e9.29b80222@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:37:06 EST Subject: Re: Railroad loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopsters, In messages dated 3/6/02 various individuals wrote: >>>There is a similar railroad loop in British Columbia and another in >>>New Zealand. >> >>...and in switzerland. To mount to St Gottardo, you enter the >>tunnel, drive for a while, and then come out in the same place, but >>higher, you see the beginning of the tunnel right below, its quite >>amazing! If I remember correctly, there is a railroad loop (of sorts) just near San Luis Obispo, CA. It's a big railroad "horseshoe" (actually more like a hairpin) that almost meets itself -- turning back as it climbs the Cuesta Grade northwest of town. My kids used to be crazy about trains when they were younger and have some videos that show this thing. I saw it myself as I rode the Amtrack Coast Starlight train from Santa Barbara to the Bay Area about 22 years ago. I just checked the web . . . and there's an arial photo at: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=12&T=1&X=887&Y=4889&Z=10&W= 1 Cheers, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 18:43:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13432; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:38:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c1c568$164229b0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: JamMan Upgrade Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:38:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had an earlier version of Bob Sellon's upgrade in a JamMan that I reluctantly sold last year to move to the EDP/Repeater camp. The non-destructive and reversible fade is a terrific feature and I really wish I had it back. Although great for other reasons, feedback control as a fade isn't a subtitute for me because it is so tied to loop length. I usually want to fade in 20-30 secs, irregardless of loop length. And being able to fade it back in is totally cool. Controlling output volume manually with a volume pedal on the output is ok, but its hard to do so smoothly, and it takes attention to focus on that rather than introducing the next musical element. I'd love to see a midi command for the EDP that would do that. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16638; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:07:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:07:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C86AF1C.3DC44BA3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:06:50 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JamMan Upgrade References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd give up on the MIDI Buddy. Rolls MIDI stuff sucks. I've got a MIDI Wizard and it's never really worked right. Mark > BTW...I also found my technical gremlins at Loopstock were not in the > JamDude, but rather in the MidiBuddy MIDI pedal I was using....it was not > acting like my buddy that night! > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16869; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.9deaac7.29b8097c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:08:28 EST Subject: edp/repeater 'sequencing' (was loopstock aftershock) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA16827 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andré said, >>I also did a few bits with sending "drum" patterns out from the drum >>machine as MIDI events, which triggered what were originally rubato EDP >>loops in different rhythmic combinations. right: a very fruitful technique, there..... 'tis also good w/the repeater, where the triggering sequencer might be asked to send pitch, track-mix & slipping infos, as well as tempo (should ya want that)..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:12:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17073; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:10:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:10:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <13c.a746d73.29b809da@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:10:02 EST Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: >squarepusher is a solo act from the u.k. tom richardson is his name, i believe. his name is tom jenkinson. >he does electronic music for the most part, but is a great bassist. .....and drummer, too..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17834; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:13:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:13:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <85.186dca8a.29b80a8a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:12:58 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <7LQm_D.A.DWE.tCrh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com res0koq3@verizon.net writes: >I'm stoked on the idea of having a compact and >inexpensive hand controller for the EDP/Rptr- and will continue to research >this idea. ..... the surface one, from midiman, is looking pretty good. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:19:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16743; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:08:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:08:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001c01c1c568$164229b0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> References: <001c01c1c568$164229b0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:07:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: JamMan Upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems from the posts that Bob's new upgrade is stable, yes? earlier versions were reported to cause lots of unexpected problems... Is this the case? are y'all happy with the upgrade? also, wasnt' there a fuss here a couple weeks ago about Bob's pages disappearing from the internet? any news? best, rich >I had an earlier version of Bob Sellon's upgrade in a JamMan that I >reluctantly sold last year to move to the EDP/Repeater camp. > >The non-destructive and reversible fade is a terrific feature and I really >wish I had it back. Although great for other reasons, feedback control as a >fade isn't a subtitute for me because it is so tied to loop length. I >usually want to fade in 20-30 secs, irregardless of loop length. And being >able to fade it back in is totally cool. Controlling output volume manually >with a volume pedal on the output is ok, but its hard to do so smoothly, and >it takes attention to focus on that rather than introducing the next musical >element. > >I'd love to see a midi command for the EDP that would do that. > >Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18316; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:18:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:18:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c1c53b$626086c0$44f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:18:56 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whoops...jenkinson, not richardson. my bad. go plastic is a nice album indeed. i think it's his best work so far. if you did go plastic, you really should check the single on warp's website. i think it came out within a few months as go plastic. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18368; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:19:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.d90382a.29b80bb4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:17:56 EST Subject: Re: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <47190D.A.ceE.eHrh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >The main problem with laptopism is that it's so fucking boring to watch! i suspect, though, that ye could easily rig an 'alternate' controller to the laptop, such as midiman's surface one, some touchy-feely drum pads, buchla thunder/lightning, etc..... no? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:21:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16956; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:10:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:08:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Railroad loops From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.250af3e9.29b80222@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Loopsters, > > In messages dated 3/6/02 various individuals wrote: > >>>> There is a similar railroad loop in British Columbia and another in >>>> New Zealand. >>> >>> ...and in switzerland. To mount to St Gottardo, you enter the >>> tunnel, drive for a while, and then come out in the same place, but >>> higher, you see the beginning of the tunnel right below, its quite >>> amazing! > > If I remember correctly, there is a railroad loop (of sorts) just near > San Luis Obispo, CA. It's a big railroad "horseshoe" (actually more > like a hairpin) that almost meets itself -- turning back as it climbs > the Cuesta Grade northwest of town. My kids used to be crazy > about trains when they were younger and have some videos that > show this thing. I saw it myself as I rode the Amtrack Coast Starlight > train from Santa Barbara to the Bay Area about 22 years ago. > > I just checked the web . . . and there's an arial photo at: > > http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=12&T=1&X=887&Y=4889&Z=10&W= > 1 > > Cheers, > > Ted > yeah, i ride that thing every once in a while from sf to slo and that is the coolest part of the ride(except for the bar car!) if ya sit in front you can see the rear half right next to you and vice versa-so if you do this vary yer positions on the train to get optimum loop time. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17863; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:14:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:14:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020307001349.16461.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:13:49 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: RE: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that a 'performance' can become much more interesting, intimate, enveloping, and interactive when the audience can directly map visual gestures with the creation or manipulation of the sound. I have a depressingly underutilized Buchla Lightning II (http://buchla.com/lightning/index.html) that I'm planning on beginning to work with again soon to this end - hoping that air-drums/tibetan bells/etc. coupled with spacial CC controllers will prove engaging. Maybe I'll have my act together (pun intended) to play at Loopstock II next year . stephen --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > As for the > audience, it perceives the physical effort as the > cause and > manifestation of the musical tension of the > piece...Even if pushing a > button does not need a complex movement, like > hitting a key on the > piano it can be done in an expressive way. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:24:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18924; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:22:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:22:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.7a10f55.29b80ca2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:21:54 EST Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ..... i play guitar when i'm not looping, or i'm sitting in front of a computer w/the guitar strapped 'round me w/an oud and a cumbus close at hand..... ..... it's all pretty much 'one thing', in my little world --- no real digressions. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19646; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:29:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:29:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <85.186dca8d.29b80e35@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:28:37 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA19616 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andré writes: >>I wonder how easy it would be to send program change data from a drum >>machine, in order to control a Repeater in an elegant real-time manner...? to one side of yer query: most control-targets in the repeater can be struck by either PC's or CC's, so..... if your drum machine can be configured thusly, well..... add'ly, since the drum machine probably sends both a) clock and b) note-ons, you've got some fun in store, for sure..... esp. if it allows you to choose the note-#'s of the pads..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:35:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20143; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:33:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:33:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.238873bd.29b80f2c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:32:44 EST Subject: Re: re Squarepusher To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the s-man sayeth, >Not doing much bass playing these days if 'go plastic' is >anything to go by, but great music, not the less... track 1. track 10. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20746; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:42:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:42:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c1c53e$a36f5030$44f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <13c.a746d73.29b809da@aol.com> Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:42:14 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and drummer...wow. indeed a very talented and multi-faceted individual. i figured it out: tom RICHARDSON is the name of the director of the honors program at the school i attend....silly me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:48:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21254; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:47:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:47:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:36:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <85.186dca8d.29b80e35@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just when I think I'm STARTING to get a grip on the hugeness of EDP/RPTR with PMC/PC1600, you guys have to push the envelope and raise the bar. Ohmy :-) NG if your drum machine can be configured thusly, well..... > add'ly, since the drum machine probably sends both a) clock and > b) note-ons, > you've got some fun in store, for sure..... esp. if it allows you > to choose > the note-#'s of the pads..... > best, > dt / splattercell > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:55:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22295; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:54:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:54:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <008201c1c572$cca20b80$690ac5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <5a.7a10f55.29b80ca2@aol.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:41:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: : i play guitar when i'm not looping, or i'm sitting in front of a computer : w/the guitar strapped 'round me w/an oud and a cumbus close at hand..... Aaaah, ooooh, lovely! I wish had I had the spare loot so as to purchase an oud; love the sound of the instrument. Oh well, back to samples. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:55:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22397; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:54:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:54:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <008301c1c572$cd391b60$690ac5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: I'm a Tapegerm...! Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:47:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just been accepted into the Tapegerm Collective, which has me excited. I'm looking forward to lots of fun with noises..... Tapegerm homepage at http://www.tapegerm.com Tons of Tapegerm Collective music at http://www.mp3.com/tapegerm (there is also a mammoth archive.) David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 19:55:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22304; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:54:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:54:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <008401c1c572$cdb63aa0$690ac5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <12c.d90382a.29b80bb4@aol.com> Subject: Re: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:54:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: : zvonar@zvonar.com writes: : : >The main problem with laptopism is that it's so fucking boring to watch! : i suspect, though, that ye could easily rig an 'alternate' controller to the : laptop, such as midiman's surface one, some touchy-feely drum pads, buchla : thunder/lightning, etc..... Hell, with a little bit of creativity, a toolbox, and the ability to solder straight, you could work up some visually compelling and non-conformist controllers (I'm reminded of the flamenco dancers a few years ago who had a dance surface rigged with MIDI triggers.) David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:12:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25355; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:10:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:10:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C86BD71.F63627D7@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:08:01 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp/repeater 'sequencing' (was loopstock aftershock) References: <15e.9deaac7.29b8097c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4fCyuC.A.KLG.B4rh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo DT-SC, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > right: a very fruitful technique, there..... > 'tis also good w/the repeater, where the triggering sequencer might be asked > to send pitch, track-mix & slipping infos, as well as tempo (should ya want > that)..... So far I've just programmed drum machine patterns that switch between loops. The next stage I'm thinking about is setting up patterns that do that, PLUS send MIDI note commands to change loop speed, direction (i.e. forward/reverse) in conjunction with those loop changes... ...and I'm also thinking about some SERIOUSLY stuttery retriggering things. (I wonder what the EDP will sound like if I program a bunch of 16-note retriggerings and crank the tempo up to 250+...) And yes, I'm stealing that last idea right from ya, DT! :) --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25610; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:13:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C86BE0A.2255B86F@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:10:33 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neil Goldstein wrote: > > Just when I think I'm STARTING to get a grip on the hugeness of EDP/RPTR > with PMC/PC1600, you guys have to push the envelope and raise the bar. Sorry, man. Gotta keep ya guessin'! (Good excuse to dust off ye olde drum machine, too...) > Ohmy :-) I know the feeling. --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25876; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:15:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:15:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:09:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c1c574$ac4cb130$fe0ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <008201c1c572$cca20b80$690ac5a9@azstarnet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a Multimedia Designer/Developer for the State of Georgia. A lot of my work is done for people with learning disabilities. I also do develop interactive learning materials for the university system. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:24:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26578; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:22:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:22:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c1c512$3e549ba0$f264f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203061804.NAA10061@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: California Looping Tour 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:24:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Viz a vis a possible California Looping Tour, I have a circuit that I have been working very hard to put together for the last two years. It involves the Henry Miller Gallery in Big Sur, the Cayuga Vault (or Rio Theatre) in Santa Cruz, the San Jose Museum of Art, the Tuva Gallery in Berkeley and the possibility of a venue in SF (still working on it) and the Borders in Sacramento. Having produced the Bass Looping Tour of five cities last summer I can tell you: It is a hell of a hell of a lot of work to pull it off with multiple artists. I worked for two solid months to make that tour successful and , essentially, lost a lot of money due to the work I had to accomplish to pull it off. I would do it again in a heartbeat, however....................LOOPSTOCK was so fucking inspiring I can't tell you!!!! Viz a vis my participation in planning and coordinating the Northern California leg of such a tour, I can tell you that I have a 4 city tour and live recording planned with avante garde/classical Flute master, Robert Dick in late April that will be using my 'circuit' and I am trying to plan a 1st Japanese Looping Tour for the early summer so I (as well as trying to complete the music/mixing and artwork for two CDs by the start of this summer) so I am really slammed and will need to wait at least until May to consider something like this. If you guys want to get going before this, I would be more than happy to give you all of my contacts. The Cayuga Vault has been under permitting pressure from the city and so will not be up and running for at least 6-8 weeks from now. The Henry MIller LIbrary is not an appropriate venue until the weather gets substantially warmer. Not a lot of money can be made in Big Sur because it is pretty far from a poplulation base. We can, concievably, charge in Santa Cruz, but we have promised the Cayuga Vault a really big Santa Cruz Looping Festival (along the lines of Hans' Loopstock) as a pure benefit as soon as they are up and running again. That's my two cents for now and I am painfully aware that I am about 5 Loopers Delight digests away from being current so things may have already gotten worked out for a tour. I think we should really try to book into places in the interior of the state to try to take this music to people who really would never get it normally: Bakersfield, Fresno, Tehachipi, Las Vegas, Redding etc. What do you guys say? yours, Rick (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27004; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:25:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:25:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: JamMan Upgrade Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:30:14 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c580$03cf7d60$166b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips~ -----Original Message----- From: max valentino To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: JamMan Upgrade learn the ins and >outs of the new system...but gosh it is fun! >Max > > friggin' sweet! best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27445; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:32:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:32:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C86C2EB.29F3EFD9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:31:23 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rik sold me my Repeater, and I've never spoken to a salesperson more knowledgable about looping in all my days... I'd love to have a demo/show there. I think that Gibson, Electrix and Lexicon should sponser a world loop tour! Mark Landman wrote: > >Andre LaFosse wrote: > > > >Here are some brain-storming ideas: > > > >-- CD sales could help offset expenses; I know Max and myself both have > >discs we could hawk. > > > >-- There's been talk about doing some sort of clinic type thing with > >Matthias. If we could find some sort of Bay Area performance > >venue/clinic space, and ask for some sort of suggested donation at the > >door, that would certainly help. > > A possible location for this could be Bananas at Large Music, in San > Rafael. Rik Elswit (rik@well.com) is a salesman there who is into > looping and has been enthusiastically selling loopers for a long > time. I'm not sure about the suggestion donation, but I bet it's > doable. > > I suggest this mainly in the spirit of helping you guys out, but > secondarily 'cause it's close to me and I could catch the show :) > > best- > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28193; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:34:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:34:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:30:05 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control In-reply-to: <008401c1c572$cdb63aa0$690ac5a9@azstarnet.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <12c.d90382a.29b80bb4@aol.com> <008401c1c572$cdb63aa0$690ac5a9@azstarnet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:54 PM -0700 3/6/02, David Alexander McDonald wrote: >(I'm reminded of the flamenco dancers a few years ago who had a >dance surface rigged with MIDI triggers.) I've met a couple of tap dancers who work with MIDI. One had a specially designed tap floor, the other had a wireless MIDI system strapped to his ankle. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:35:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27956; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:33:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:33:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:27:03 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control In-reply-to: <20020307001349.16461.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020307001349.16461.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:13 PM -0800 3/6/02, Stephen wrote: >--- Richard Zvonar wrote: >> As for the >> audience, it perceives the physical effort as the >> cause and >> manifestation of the musical tension of the >> piece...Even if pushing a >> button does not need a complex movement, like >> hitting a key on the > > piano it can be done in an expressive way. I was quoting Michel Waisvisz - credit where it's due! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:35:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27853; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:33:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:33:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:28:03 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control In-reply-to: <12c.d90382a.29b80bb4@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <12c.d90382a.29b80bb4@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > >The main problem with laptopism is that it's so fucking boring to watch! At 7:17 PM -0500 3/6/02, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >i suspect, though, that ye could easily rig an 'alternate' controller to the >laptop, such as midiman's surface one, some touchy-feely drum pads, buchla >thunder/lightning, etc..... >no? Yes! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:42:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29204; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:39:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:39:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C86C4B8.A0FB5702@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:39:04 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control References: <004d01c1c538$54850a10$6142a8c0@dyland> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The main problem with laptopism is that it's so fucking boring to > watch! The performance interface needs to be more like a traditional > musical instrument, requiring effort and expressive gesture. how about people that use interfaces like Pamela Z's data glove? Computer controlled, but visually interesting and expessive. Maybe a Buchela Lighting and a laptop? http://www.buchla.com/lightning/index.html Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29582; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:43:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:43:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:40:17 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! In-reply-to: <3C86C2EB.29F3EFD9@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> <3C86C2EB.29F3EFD9@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:31 PM -0800 3/6/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I think that Gibson, Electrix and Lexicon should sponser a world >loop tour! Not forgetting Line6... Seriously though, it would be interesting to have a loop event or tour with manufacturer sponsorship, if only as a way to shine a bright light on how well or how poorly the different companies are designing their looping devices. A related idea is for Electronic Musician to have a special looping issue with a historical article (written by Gary Hall?), a product shootout, and profiles of prominent loopers. I'll be happy to help pitch the idea to Steve O. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:46:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29762; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:44:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:44:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C86C5E7.F2AC9213@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:44:07 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vocal looper? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, you can mute individual tracks on the Repeater Neil Goldstein wrote: > Level matching wouldnít be an issue. Also Iím not sure ifI can Mute > individual tracks on the Repeater,There are dedicated midi CC#s for > muting and/or changing levels of each track independently. Check the > 1.1 OS manual addendum and program your foot controller accordingly. > > Maybe can do this I have only owned the device for a few > weeks know. I guess the advantages of using the > > Repeater for it is that I can use the repeaters effects loop > (which runs through an Eventide Eclipse) to effect the vocal > loops. > > This is one of the main benefits. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30466; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:47:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:47:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:53:12 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c583$388f7d40$166b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com play guitar sans loops get down with my lady write pontificate out loud help raise two cats (Dilly and Frank) head bankruptcy legal assistant at Davis Polk & Wardwell, a rather huge and imposing corporate law firm a few other things here and there. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:51:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30783; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:50:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:50:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JamMan Upgrade Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 01:49:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 01:49:13.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[487F5170:01C1C57A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I usually want to fade in 20-30 secs, irregardless of loop length. WOW! I could never figure out why I thought feedback never seemed to work the way I wanted on the EDP - especially on long loops. Now I realize that this is what I had secretly been wishing it would do. >I'd love to see a midi command for the EDP that would do that. me too... Jon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 20:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31485; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:57:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:57:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <9.24453452.29b822e0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:56:48 EST Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.24453452.29b822e0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.24453452.29b822e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am an attorney doing labor and employment law (to support my musical habits) - aside from trying to loop, i play sax, clarinet, mandolin and keyboards - drive 3 children about - i spend much time plotting how to develop enough time to listen to all the records i've accumulated over the last 35 years while also considering how to make a living in the carribean (where i would like to open a restaurant/bar at which i would play nightly with an ever changing parade of fine musicians) - is that so wrong? harry --part1_9.24453452.29b822e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am an attorney doing labor and employment law (to support my musical habits) - aside from trying to loop, i play sax, clarinet, mandolin and keyboards - drive 3 children about - i spend much time plotting how to develop enough time to listen to all the records i've accumulated over the last 35 years while also considering how to make a living in the carribean (where i would like to open a restaurant/bar at which i would play nightly with an ever changing parade of fine musicians) - is that so wrong?

harry --part1_9.24453452.29b822e0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:18:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01508; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:16:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:16:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00db01c1c519$c64eecc0$f264f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203061804.NAA10061@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 06:18:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <68fLWB.A.tV.11sh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Evan, Regarding your post to Max Valentino (my dear friend) about Bass Looping, I produced the first Bass Looping Tour last year with Max, Steve Lawson, Michael Manring and myself. Although a bassist, I am better known as a drummer/percussionist/found object/invented object looper). I just thought that if you are interested in bass loopers that you also should check into these people: SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN (in Berkeley with a fine solo bass looping CD out) STEVE LAWSON (wonderful and very active bass looper from london with his own website and CD out) TOM HEASLEY ( who did a beautiful and eerie set of Tuba----yes, Tuba---looping at Loopstock and also has a beautiful dark ambient CD out currently). CAMERON J. STREET ( a bass looper out of Australia with a beautiful textural, ambient CD out). MICHAEL MANRING (although more of a solo bassist than a looper per se, Michael is just the bomb-----and he does use looping in his live shows---------some day we may have the time and finances to release some of the solo live tracks from our trio/bass looping performances with Steve Lawson). TREY DONOVAN (a stick playing/bassist from Oakland, who, although new to looping , is incredibly creative and did a beautiful set at the first Bass Looping Festival after having only owned a looper for two weeks----he doesn't have a CD out yet, but I think there is one in the works. He is also the only looper I know, so far who is using an Upright Acoustic Bass to loop). MAX VALENTINO (who you already know of, but just released his first solo CD that is very cool and inventive) One of these days, I have plans to put out at least an EP mini CD of solo bass work, myself. I have the least chops of any of these fine bassists but I play the bass as if I were some Shamanic Papua New Guinea musician encountering an electric bass guitar with a hell of a lot of processing effects for the very first time: minimalistic , but, hopefully, creative and interesting. Did I leave anybody out? If so, it is only because my brain is addled by trying to kick start two PC based computer systems that have tanked in my home...............Many apologies if I did and please send in the info about them. I believe if you check the archives of Loopers Delight that you can find contact info for all of these artists. I will also be producing the second annual Bass Looping Tour sometime later in this year in Northern California. Watch for it................and send me some of your material for possible inclusion or, at the very least, to be able to play between acts at the festival. Last year, I did an entire piece in Berkeley using a cut off of Cameron Street's cd as an ambient backdrop just so that he could say that he participated from as far away as Australia. Yours, in the subsonic sphere of the the looping world, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:28:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02130; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:26:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C86BD71.F63627D7@altruistmusic.com> References: <15e.9deaac7.29b8097c@aol.com> <3C86BD71.F63627D7@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:25:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: edp/repeater 'sequencing' (was loopstock aftershock) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yo DT-SC, > >Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >> right: a very fruitful technique, there..... >> 'tis also good w/the repeater, where the triggering sequencer might be asked >> to send pitch, track-mix & slipping infos, as well as tempo (should ya want >> that)..... > >So far I've just programmed drum machine patterns that switch between >loops. The next stage I'm thinking about is setting up patterns that do >that, PLUS send MIDI note commands to change loop speed, direction (i.e. >forward/reverse) in conjunction with those loop changes... > >...and I'm also thinking about some SERIOUSLY stuttery retriggering >things. (I wonder what the EDP will sound like if I program a bunch of >16-note retriggerings and crank the tempo up to 250+...) just go ahead! Loop3 can read a command each 1.5ms, Loop4 a little more, I think. It will not run hotter ;-) I wonder what comes out... doesnt it become increasingly nervous? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02225; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:27:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:27:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c1c580$3c67b5c0$ae934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:31:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA02180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David wrote: >I wish had I had the spare loot so as to purchase an oud; >love the sound of the instrument I'd like to purchase two of them -- I'd be broke but still have a "spare lute" ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:35:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02870; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:33:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:33:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <131.9eede2a.29b82b57@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:32:55 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Just when I think I'm STARTING to get a grip on the hugeness of EDP/RPTR >with PMC/PC1600, you guys have to push the envelope and raise the bar. there is no envelope, much less a bar..... just taking advantage of what's present..... 8-)) best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:37:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02997; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:34:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:34:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:35:06 -0800 Message-ID: <017801c1c580$b16a3d20$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is getting confusing to me- For me- I would like to be in Delay mode, press Overdub to capture a loop, Mute that loop, continue playing, Un-Mute the loop in the exact state I left it in- I understand fully the desire of fellow list members to be able to Mute the loop and still add to it without hearing the results until it has been un-muted and I don't think that should be sacrificed. Personally I can't see that I would want to come out of Mute in delay mode using Overdub- which seems confusing because Overdub is used to capture loops in delay mode- I hope I am not confusing the issue more- but such length between comments and the posts getting combined throws me a little- Thanks. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request I dont quite understand what you are saying here, but you are right that there may be the desire to make a muted loop sensitive or frozzen in DelayMode. Now when you press Overdub, you automatically come out of Mute. Is that wrong? Or does anybody use Overdub to come out of Mute? >Extra button presses and delay- I would have to Mute- Record- Un-Mute- >instead of just Rec- Mute (then un-mute later when I want the loop again) - >I would assume that even in Delay mode once I hit Overdub to capture the >loop the only way to add to it would be to hit Overdub again, add, then >Overdub again to re-capture the loop. I can see how adding to a loop without >hearing it can be fun- but I would just use the Mix knob myself- Thanks for >the suggestion. > >Cliff > > >> can't you just unmute after you play what you want in the loop? >> (instead of before) >> >> i think that's what they intended for this feature... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Om_Audio" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:34 AM >> Subject: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request >> >> >> > >> > I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful >> > if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay >> > mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it >> > down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this >> > already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- >> > > > > Cliff -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:39:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03449; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:36:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:36:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <160.9e2a283.29b82c05@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:35:49 EST Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stree@azstarnet.com writes: >I wish had I had the spare loot so as to purchase an >oud; love the sound of the instrument. ..... i wouldn't know what your budget's like, but: ouds are fairly inexpensive. my beautiful, funky lebanese instrument cost approx. $425., used, at a very nice shop in fremont (seattle wa). best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:44:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03968; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:42:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:42:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: EDP Midi Implementation chart? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:42:15 -0800 Message-ID: <017901c1c581$b1756b40$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017A_01C1C53E.A3522B40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017A_01C1C53E.A3522B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone ever made one for the EDP? 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------=_NextPart_000_017A_01C1C53E.A3522B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04289; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:45:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:44:24 EST Subject: Re: edp/repeater 'sequencing' (was loopstock aftershock) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a, >Yo DT-SC, you can call me 'd'. *-) >Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >> right: a very fruitful technique, there..... >> 'tis also good w/the repeater, where the triggering sequencer might be >asked >> to send pitch, track-mix & slipping infos, as well as tempo (should ya >want >> that)..... >So far I've just programmed drum machine patterns that switch between >loops. The next stage I'm thinking about is setting up patterns that do >that, PLUS send MIDI note commands to change loop speed, direction (i.e. >forward/reverse) in conjunction with those loop changes... yes..... been on that w/repeater, using sequencers --- but i get a *wad* of usefulness from re-pitching the thing w/sequencer, and without..... >...and I'm also thinking about some SERIOUSLY stuttery retriggering >things. (I wonder what the EDP will sound like if I program a bunch of >16-note retriggerings and crank the tempo up to 250+...) >And yes, I'm stealing that last idea right from ya, DT! :) (whatever, whatever, steal away..... probably better off in your hands, than mine.....) i have a couplafew faders set up to continuously send 'start' re-triggers..... one in duple-feel, one in triple-feel & one that functionally sends buzillions of (unquantised) 'start' re-triggers --- which is my fave..... best, dt / sack o' smell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04779; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:41:20 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? Message-ID: <20020306204120.L22592@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <13c.a746d73.29b809da@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <13c.a746d73.29b809da@aol.com>; from Hedewa7@aol.com on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 07:10:02PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Squarepusher was the one who first got me into electronic dance music with his album "Selection Seventeen" - this one is also fairly experimental in feel, though not quite as brilliant as Go Plastic. Those two are probably my favorite releases from him, including the recent "untitled" 12" (which I always seem to get questions about every time I spin it). Hedewa7@aol.com(Hedewa7@aol.com)@Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 07:10:02PM -0500: > jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > > >squarepusher is a solo act from the u.k. tom richardson is his name, i > believe. > his name is tom jenkinson. > > >he does electronic music for the most part, but is a great bassist. > .....and drummer, too..... > best, > dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:54:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05231; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:52:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:52:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <154.a1201b2.29b82fb0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:51:28 EST Subject: Re: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >I've met a couple of tap dancers who work with MIDI. One had a >specially designed tap floor, the other had a wireless MIDI system >strapped to his ankle. ..... i did an orchestral (multimedia) tour of japan w/ryuichi sakamoto, a coupla years ago. during the performance, both ryuichi & the conductor were wearing these *incredible* midi-suits, underneath their stage-clothes. (the midi-goo made specifically for this tour, by yamaha). the two guys' gestures --- velocity & movement --- controlled complex elements of the CGi-stuff, creating new visuals every night..... it was very, very beautiful --- very, very smooth..... and impressive; some nights, i'd inadvertently become so mesmerised by the show that i'd forget to play! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05619; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:56:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:56:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:48:24 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vocal looper? Message-ID: <20020306204824.M22592@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <000101c1c53b$c6912d70$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000101c1c53b$c6912d70$5610d0cf@GEORGE>; from info@plainjanemusic.com on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 12:21:46PM -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just did a show last week with two female vocalists joining me (and I did some voice as well): http://craque.net/miquez/nervousctr20020227.html It's all free improv, no planning at all. None of us had even played together before, it went off fabulously! If you enjoy weird electro-acoustic voicemanglings, you should definitely give it a listen (right now, "Uir" is my personal favorite of the three). Looping equiment used: Repeater Line6 DL4 Boss PS3 Pitch Shift / Delay Digitech RDS4000 Korg ES-1 Korg EA-1 (controlling a Kurzweil K2000RS) m (aka Craque) http://craque.net plain jane(info@plainjanemusic.com)@Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 12:21:46PM -0600: > Who out there is doing vocal loops and what are you using to pull it > off? > > I right know am using a Repeater and an EDP for percussive and acoustic > guitar loops > accordingly. They are both midi synced as well. But I would like to have > a separate looper > that would be footpedal activated to capture come vocals on the fly. I > don't really want to spend a > mint (like I did on the repeater and EDP) I was thinking about the Akai > Headrush or the Line 6 DL-4. I guess I lean toward the Akai from what > I've read. With either of these I don't think they have the midi sync > capability but I'm not sure that would be a big problem since the vocal > loops wouldn't last the whole song just short parts. > > Any ideas/advice is much welcomed. > > Kevin McPeak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05747; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:57:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:57:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <28.231670a6.29b830cc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:56:12 EST Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Did I leave anybody out? percy jones. doug wimbish. best, dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 21:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05931; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:57:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:57:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b601c1c583$712e9370$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:54:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just checked my local spot, Sweet Springs Saloon, and they have Thursdays available starting March 28th. I realize that may be too late for Matthias. I may be able to get a gig at the Frog and Peach Pub in San Luis Obispo on a Friday night sooner than that, or possibly some other spot. Thursday nights are good for gigging here, but are often booked months ahead. I think there could be a pretty good turnout for a local show, after last weekend. How long are you in the USA for, Matthias? Have you guys come up with a time window yet for this thing? Regarding my own participation in such a tour, I'll leave the performing up to you guys - I'll reverse roles with Andre this time around, and just enjoy the show. Not to mention that I have this thing called a job that I have to go to in order to keep up my gear habit. I would be willing to provide a sound system for the weekend portion(s), if you need me to. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! > max valentino wrote: > > > Oh-boy...sounds like something might be brewing! I am game, schedules > > permitting, of course. The question is how do we make this profitable > > (meaning so it does not costs us anything to put it on)? > > Perhaps we need to brainstorm a few ideas around.... > > Here are some brain-storming ideas: > > -- CD sales could help offset expenses; I know Max and myself both have > discs we could hawk. > > -- There's been talk about doing some sort of clinic type thing with > Matthias. If we could find some sort of Bay Area performance > venue/clinic space, and ask for some sort of suggested donation at the > door, that would certainly help. > > -- How realistic would it be to find a handful of amenable venues > between LA and the Bay Area that would offer a reasonable guarantee for > three or four acts? > > For that matter, what would constitute a reasonable guarantee? > > For me personally, I could probably do a tour for about $20 - $30 a day > (for gas money and miscellaneous expenses), assuming I could find a few > floors to crash on along the way. Making a profit would certainly be > nice, but breaking even is a lofty-enough goal to shoot for at this point. > > > Rick W. and I have discussed the possibility of a central Cali loop > > tour...with a possible hit in Vegas.... > > Let me see here: Max, Rick W, myself... Hans? You want to join the > caravan? > > Logistically (and financially), it might be easier for just a couple of > folks to hit the road, and hook up with various other people at gigs > along the way... and since Max and I are (relatively) in the same part > of town, it would probably be easiest for us to coordinate a route. > Though it would be great fun to have other people along for the full ride... > > Hmmm. > > --Andre > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:01:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07873; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:51:19 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re Squarepusher Message-ID: <20020306205119.N22592@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from steve@steve-lawson.co.uk on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:48:33PM +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <33B_rD.A.C2B.Yeth8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Lawson(steve@steve-lawson.co.uk)@Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:48:33PM +0000: > fine musician. Not doing much bass playing these days if 'go plastic' is > anything to go by, but great music, not the less... Actually, he uses a MIDI axe to trigger a lot of the synth sounds you hear, so he actually is doing 'bass playing' on the record - just not traditional bass. I read this in an interview with TJ soon after Go Plastic was released. m (aka Craque) http://craque.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:01:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07682; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:59:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:59:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01cb01c1c583$b54e74d0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <28.231670a6.29b830cc@aol.com> Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:56:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about me :) -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > > >Did I leave anybody out? > percy jones. > doug wimbish. > best, > dt / spltrcl > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08211; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:02:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:02:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:53:40 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re Squarepusher Message-ID: <20020306205340.O22592@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <2b.238873bd.29b80f2c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <2b.238873bd.29b80f2c@aol.com>; from Hedewa7@aol.com on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 07:32:44PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <0fI52.A.v-B.lgth8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and track 2! Hedewa7@aol.com(Hedewa7@aol.com)@Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 07:32:44PM -0500: > the s-man sayeth, > > >Not doing much bass playing these days if 'go plastic' is > >anything to go by, but great music, not the less... > track 1. > track 10. > best, > dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08374; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:03:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:03:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.d679aaf.29b83257@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:02:47 EST Subject: Re: edp/repeater 'sequencing' (was loopstock aftershock) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matthias: >I wonder what comes out... doesnt it become increasingly nervous? ..... at least in my case, that's just one part of the idea & its execution..... the re-triggers take on pitch/character of their own, and can act as both an *interruption* of the previously perceived sound (eg, a rhythmic 'fill') and also as an element in-and-of itself..... btw: did you ever read that little note on 'windowing' loops, which i'd sent to kim approx. a year ago? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09300; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:06:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:06:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:57:29 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Message-ID: <20020306205729.P22592@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <28.231670a6.29b830cc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <28.231670a6.29b830cc@aol.com>; from Hedewa7@aol.com on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 09:56:12PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does bill laswell ever do any *bass* looping, specifically? Hedewa7@aol.com(Hedewa7@aol.com)@Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 09:56:12PM -0500: > GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > > >Did I leave anybody out? > percy jones. > doug wimbish. > best, > dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09478; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:06:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:06:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <18c.468d194.29b8331f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:06:07 EST Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regis@sounding.com writes: >Squarepusher was the one who first got me into electronic dance music with >his album "Selection Seventeen" - this one is also fairly experimental >in >feel, though not quite as brilliant as Go Plastic. Those two are probably >my favorite releases from him, including the recent "untitled" 12" (which >I always seem to get questions about every time I spin it). my favorites: big loada music is rotted one note & tracks #9 &10 on 'go plastic'..... the rest of that cd doesn't work so well, for me. .....another two cents, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09690; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:08:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:08:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <86.1778ff1d.29b8337d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:07:41 EST Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com armatronix@charter.net writes: >What about me :) yeah!, what about hans! (sorry, hans..... i've never heard ya play.....) best, deet / spleet From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10212; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:13:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:13:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:05:11 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? Message-ID: <20020306210511.Q22592@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <18c.468d194.29b8331f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <18c.468d194.29b8331f@aol.com>; from Hedewa7@aol.com on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:06:07PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com(Hedewa7@aol.com)@Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:06:07PM -0500: > my favorites: > big loada > music is rotted one note i love big loada, rotted one note doesn't do it for me for some reason. > tracks #9 &10 on 'go plastic'..... the rest of that cd doesn't work so well, > for me. aw, the exploding psychology is the most genius track on there! :) m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:20:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10917; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:18:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:18:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <116.d662122.29b835ee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:18:06 EST Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regis@sounding.com writes: >i love big loada, rotted one note doesn't do it for me for some reason. tj's missplaced ode to miles davis & the early ecm-scene..... >> tracks #9 &10 on 'go plastic'..... the rest of that cd doesn't work so >well, >> for me. >aw, the exploding psychology is the most genius track on there! :) okay, okay..... i'll try *again*. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10732; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:18:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:18:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020801c1c586$4611b660$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <86.1778ff1d.29b8337d@aol.com> Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:15:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's cool, I don't play that much bass anyways. Actually, I need to make an effort to check your stuff out too. Is there any SplatterCell available on vinyl? -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > armatronix@charter.net writes: > > >What about me :) > yeah!, what about hans! > (sorry, hans..... i've never heard ya play.....) > best, > deet / spleet > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:25:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11634; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:23:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:23:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c1c585$29acd780$8552e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <200203061804.NAA10061@hemlock.violacea.com> <00db01c1c519$c64eecc0$f264f93f@global> Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:07:06 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > I just thought that if you are interested in bass loopers that you also > should check into these people: snip > TOM HEASLEY ( who did a beautiful and eerie set of Tuba----yes, > Tuba---looping at Loopstock and also has a beautiful > dark ambient CD out currently). > I know Tom's CD is available here: http://www.hypnos.com/Merchant/merchant.mv It's deep massive ambience. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11911; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:25:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:25:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022101c1c587$3838ade0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> <3C86C2EB.29F3EFD9@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:21:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a great idea, Dr. Z. I've seen bits and pieces about looping in EM. I think I remember a feature recently on software loopers and one on David Torn, but it seems like they could do a lot with an issue dedicated to looping. BTW, was Mr. O there on business, or just checking things out? I thought he looked somehow familiar when I met him, and then when Ted mentioned him in his Loopstock review, that caricature from Electronic musician popped into my head. How cool that he was there, and what a nice guy! I'm glad I didn't know who he was at the time. -Hans > A related idea is for Electronic Musician to have a special looping > issue with a historical article (written by Gary Hall?), a product > shootout, and profiles of prominent loopers. I'll be happy to help > pitch the idea to Steve O. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12405; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:26:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:26:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:27:05 -0800 Message-ID: <01a101c1c587$f4c6a340$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <020801c1c586$4611b660$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I HIGHLY recommend the Remikses album- looks like it comes on vinyl too- the original Oah album does not- http://www.75ark.com/1488/index.html By the way, I thought you were getting that Vestax vinyl cutter next week? Wuddup yo? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about It's cool, I don't play that much bass anyways. Actually, I need to make an effort to check your stuff out too. Is there any SplatterCell available on vinyl? -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > armatronix@charter.net writes: > > >What about me :) > yeah!, what about hans! > (sorry, hans..... i've never heard ya play.....) > best, > deet / spleet > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 22:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13653; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:53:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:53:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024a01c1c58b$35d91630$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <01a101c1c587$f4c6a340$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:50:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8wNHNB.A.oUD.vQuh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now, that's REALLY taking music piracy back to the Old School. Can I borrow your Remiksis CD? :) I couldn't find any S/C vinyl on that site. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Om_Audio" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about > I HIGHLY recommend the Remikses album- looks like it comes on vinyl too- > the original Oah album does not- http://www.75ark.com/1488/index.html > > By the way, I thought you were getting that Vestax vinyl cutter next > week? Wuddup yo? > > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > > It's cool, I don't play that much bass anyways. Actually, I need to > make an > effort to check your stuff out too. Is there any SplatterCell available > on > vinyl? > > -Hans > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > > > > armatronix@charter.net writes: > > > > >What about me :) > > yeah!, what about hans! > > (sorry, hans..... i've never heard ya play.....) > > best, > > deet / spleet > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:12:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15369; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:00:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:00:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:00:59 -0800 Message-ID: <01c401c1c58c$b0acea20$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <024a01c1c58b$35d91630$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go to the store- view all- last item before the shirts start- Cliff PS- Anyone else want copies while I'm at it? Jesschekkin. -----Original Message----- From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Now, that's REALLY taking music piracy back to the Old School. Can I borrow your Remiksis CD? :) I couldn't find any S/C vinyl on that site. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Om_Audio" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about > I HIGHLY recommend the Remikses album- looks like it comes on vinyl too- > the original Oah album does not- http://www.75ark.com/1488/index.html > > By the way, I thought you were getting that Vestax vinyl cutter next > week? Wuddup yo? > > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > > It's cool, I don't play that much bass anyways. Actually, I need to > make an > effort to check your stuff out too. Is there any SplatterCell available > on > vinyl? > > -Hans > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > > > > armatronix@charter.net writes: > > > > >What about me :) > > yeah!, what about hans! > > (sorry, hans..... i've never heard ya play.....) > > best, > > deet / spleet > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17071; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:26:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C86EB64.ABCF6210@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:24:04 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> <01b601c1c583$712e9370$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo list, After Rick's latest rundown on the practical realities of the thing, as well as Hans' report, here's my feeling: For the forseeable future, a tour of any significant magnitude seems like a dubious proposition at best. Between scheduling, venue bookings, Rick's current schedule, and myriad other concerns, I think it would be a project best undertaken in a semi-long term sense. Maybe some time mid- to late Summer would be a time to shoot for? In the near future, I think the best option at this point would be to think in terms of a "mini" tour, hitting SLO and the Bay Area over two or three days. It would be (relatively) easy to organize, and Matthias could concievably swing down to SLO for a show if he were so inclined. If we did SLO on a Thursday or Friday, and a couple of things in the Bay Area over that weekend, it would probably make things reasonably managable for everyone involved. The Banana's at Large clinic idea isn't bad at all; what about the possibility of some sort of house concert deal somewhere in the area? (And/or doing a clinic there, if the Banana's idea doesn't pan out...) In regards to Hans' post, I could see doing Thursday the 28th, and I could try to arrange something else SLO-ish for Friday, if nothing materializes for the Bay Area prior to that weekend. And I could definitely find myself accomodations for at least one of those nights, so as to keep Hans from going utterly insane twice in one month. Mr. Lindauer has already gone way above and beyond the call of duty, so I'd like him to be spared as much as possible. If I'm correct, right now it looks like myself, Max, RZ, and Matthias as potential candidates for this. Somebody smack me upside the head if I'm wrong on that count... and let me know how this sort of scenario looks to the aforementioned folks. Sleep! --Andre Hans Lindauer wrote: > > I just checked my local spot, Sweet Springs Saloon, and they have Thursdays > available starting March 28th. I realize that may be too late for Matthias. > I may be able to get a gig at the Frog and Peach Pub in San Luis Obispo on a > Friday night sooner than that, or possibly some other spot. Thursday nights > are good for gigging here, but are often booked months ahead. I think there > could be a pretty good turnout for a local show, after last weekend. > > How long are you in the USA for, Matthias? Have you guys come up with a > time window yet for this thing? > > Regarding my own participation in such a tour, I'll leave the performing up > to you guys - I'll reverse roles with Andre this time around, and just enjoy > the show. Not to mention that I have this thing called a job that I have to > go to in order to keep up my gear habit. I would be willing to provide a > sound system for the weekend portion(s), if you need me to. > > -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:28:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17128; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:26:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:26:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03fe01c1c58f$d93774d0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:23:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8h_dt.A.XJE.4vuh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It WAS a joy to put together, I just don't think I could pull it off again (alone) without losing my job in the process. -Hans > First of all I would like to offer the obligatory but completely necessary > "thank you" to Hans. I'm sure that this wasn't exactly a joy to put > together, but I sure hope it was worth it for you. (I know it was for > everyone else) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:29:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16561; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:23:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:23:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03d501c1c58f$632aa960$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <004d01c1c538$54850a10$6142a8c0@dyland> Subject: Re: Scratch/DJ's/gestural control Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:20:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo, yo, yo, DJ Dr. Z on the Wheels of Stizzeel! AARP my ass. -Hans > I'm wondering if there's anything in turntable tools that I might be > able to use within my own thing to justify the expense, or if I > should just get back into laptop mode now that its possible to do > real time audio inside a Powerbook. > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17888; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:31:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:31:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <192.358e964.29b846f6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:30:46 EST Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.358e964.29b846f6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.358e964.29b846f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/6/02 8:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, HarryEsq@aol.com writes: > considering how to make a living in the carribean (where i would like to > open a restaurant/bar at which i would play nightly with an ever changing > parade of fine musicians) - is that so wrong? > well harry its a great idea and i will come and continue being a waiter/bartender with you and play nightly also.....there is nothing wrong in that fantasy!.....michael k --part1_192.358e964.29b846f6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/6/02 8:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, HarryEsq@aol.com writes:


considering how to make a living in the carribean (where i would like to open a restaurant/bar at which i would play nightly with an ever changing parade of fine musicians) - is that so wrong?


well harry its a great idea and i will come and continue being a waiter/bartender with you and play nightly also.....there is nothing wrong in that fantasy!.....michael k --part1_192.358e964.29b846f6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:44:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18935; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:43:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:43:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:42:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C86EB64.ABCF6210@altruistmusic.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <6kFQxB.A.NkE.E_uh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, I for one would love to do a mini tour, but I bet my employer wouldn't be all that happy if I said, "I'm hitting the road, see ya on VH1." However, anything between SF Bay area and Santa Cruz on a weekend would be great. I say we approach all the Electrix, Line6, Lexicon and Gibson dealers in the area and say, "let's come in on a Saturday afteroon and show your customers what's possible." That would be a nice mini tour in itself, and could only help fuel loop device buying, hence loop device production and R&D. A win/win if you ask me. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 08:24 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Yo list, > > After Rick's latest rundown on the practical realities of the thing, as > well as Hans' report, here's my feeling: > > For the forseeable future, a tour of any significant magnitude seems > like a dubious proposition at best. Between scheduling, venue bookings, > Rick's current schedule, and myriad other concerns, I think it would be > a project best undertaken in a semi-long term sense. Maybe some time > mid- to late Summer would be a time to shoot for? > > In the near future, I think the best option at this point would be to > think in terms of a "mini" tour, hitting SLO and the Bay Area over two > or three days. It would be (relatively) easy to organize, and Matthias > could concievably swing down to SLO for a show if he were so inclined. > > If we did SLO on a Thursday or Friday, and a couple of things in the Bay > Area over that weekend, it would probably make things reasonably > managable for everyone involved. The Banana's at Large clinic idea > isn't bad at all; what about the possibility of some sort of house > concert deal somewhere in the area? (And/or doing a clinic there, if > the Banana's idea doesn't pan out...) > > In regards to Hans' post, I could see doing Thursday the 28th, and I > could try to arrange something else SLO-ish for Friday, if nothing > materializes for the Bay Area prior to that weekend. And I could > definitely find myself accomodations for at least one of those nights, > so as to keep Hans from going utterly insane twice in one month. Mr. > Lindauer has already gone way above and beyond the call of duty, so I'd > like him to be spared as much as possible. > > If I'm correct, right now it looks like myself, Max, RZ, and Matthias as > potential candidates for this. Somebody smack me upside the head if I'm > wrong on that count... and let me know how this sort of scenario looks > to the aforementioned folks. > > Sleep! > > --Andre > > Hans Lindauer wrote: >> >> I just checked my local spot, Sweet Springs Saloon, and they have >> Thursdays >> available starting March 28th. I realize that may be too late for >> Matthias. >> I may be able to get a gig at the Frog and Peach Pub in San Luis >> Obispo on a >> Friday night sooner than that, or possibly some other spot. Thursday >> nights >> are good for gigging here, but are often booked months ahead. I think >> there >> could be a pretty good turnout for a local show, after last weekend. >> >> How long are you in the USA for, Matthias? Have you guys come up >> with a >> time window yet for this thing? >> >> Regarding my own participation in such a tour, I'll leave the >> performing up >> to you guys - I'll reverse roles with Andre this time around, and just >> enjoy >> the show. Not to mention that I have this thing called a job that I >> have to >> go to in order to keep up my gear habit. I would be willing to >> provide a >> sound system for the weekend portion(s), if you need me to. >> >> -Hans > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:44:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19134; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:43:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:43:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:37:43 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! In-reply-to: <022101c1c587$3838ade0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> <3C86C2EB.29F3EFD9@zerocrossing.net> <022101c1c587$3838ade0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: <64AOkC.A.XoE.Y_uh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:21 PM -0800 3/6/02, Hans Lindauer wrote: >BTW, was Mr. O there on business, or just checking things out? My impression was that he was there for the music and the social hang. He's an old friend of Gary Hall's and he has a long standing interest in live effects processing, as both a designer and as a practitioner. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18811; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04c701c1c592$161d2370$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> <01b601c1c583$712e9370$bafccd18@oemcomputer> <3C86EB64.ABCF6210@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:39:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In regards to Hans' post, I could see doing Thursday the 28th, and I > could try to arrange something else SLO-ish for Friday, if nothing > materializes for the Bay Area prior to that weekend. And I could > definitely find myself accomodations for at least one of those nights, > so as to keep Hans from going utterly insane twice in one month. Mr. > Lindauer has already gone way above and beyond the call of duty, so I'd > like him to be spared as much as possible. Not at all, I love the company. > Sleep! Sleep? I need to EAT first! It's hard to keep up with all these e-mails. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20010; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:53:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:53:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:49:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RZ off-line for one week In-reply-to: <192.358e964.29b846f6@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <192.358e964.29b846f6@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm leaving town tomorrow for a week of vacation travel 3/7-14. If there's need to reach me, my cell phone is (818) 621-2204. I will be in San Francisco for the Other Minds Festival at the Palace of Fine Arts, Thursday through Saturday. I'll be in Santa Cruz on Monday the 11th to celebrate my third year of cancer survival with friends, including Rick and maybe Bill Walker. Then I'll be wending my way down the coast with my partner Pam, with an estimated return to L.A. on 3/14. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 6 23:54:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20120; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:53:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:53:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:45:12 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts In-reply-to: <3C86EB64.ABCF6210@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> <01b601c1c583$712e9370$bafccd18@oemcomputer> <3C86EB64.ABCF6210@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:24 PM -0800 3/6/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >I think the best option at this point would be to think in terms of >a "mini" tour, hitting SLO and the Bay Area over two or three >days...If we did SLO on a Thursday or Friday, and a couple of things >in the Bay Area over that weekend, it would probably make things >reasonably managable for everyone involved. >If I'm correct, right now it looks like myself, Max, RZ, and Matthias as >potential candidates for this. I'm not sure when Matthias is leaving, but I'm assuming end of March. My own schedule is that I'll be leaving L.A. tomorrow for a week in San Francisco and points south, then I may be back up to Santa Cruz and Berkeley on the 24th and 25th. I have a meeting in L.A. on Saturday the 30th. The Santa Cruz Digital Arts Festival is coming up, with an event on Sunday 3/24 and a series of events starting 4/3. This is something to keep in mind. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 00:46:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24273; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:44:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:44:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.83.165] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SQUAREPUSHER (what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:43:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 05:43:49.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E7CD7B0:01C1C59B] Resent-Message-ID: <9Nn6o.A.V6F.04vh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >he does electronic music for the most part, but is a great bassist. >.....and drummer, too..... >best, >dt / splattercell I thought the drumming on quite a bit of Music Is Rotted One Note was very realistic - either he had some damn good samples, or he had a real drummer with a real kit. Thanks for clearing that up! Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 01:09:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26827; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:08:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c1c59e$4199fd00$cd326880@oemcomputer> From: "jeff snyder" To: References: <200203070316.WAA10524@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: SQUAREPUSHER Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:06:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com squarepusher is the rockinist. I'm with Mr. Torn on the album picks... "Big Loada" and "Music is Rotted" are the most well composed, with tons of wonderful tracks and a relatively cohesive feel to them. Selection Sixteen is kind of spotty in my opinion - seems like it gets noodly even before the parade of half-finished bonus tracks. Finally got "Go Plastic" yesterday and I haven't gotten a chance to listen seriously yet. Track 2 on Big Loada (track 1 on the UK release, I believe) is one of my favorite songs ever. Hearing that song derailed my electronic dance composition for a while, since I kept wanting to just write that song over again, it was so good. to vaguely make this post related to looping - my live electroacoustic band covered Squarepusher's song, "port rhombus". And the keyboardist and I (the guitarist/samplist) used Boomerangs on that tune... a fun song to play... -jeff snyder --=scattershot=-- http://www.scattershot.org/ http://www.scattershot.org/jsnyder.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 02:09:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30469; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 02:02:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 02:02:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C871320.4827@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:13:37 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? References: <160.9e2a283.29b82c05@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oud? Mine was about 350.00 from "Lark in the Morning" in SF. I've seen Cumbus (Cumbie?) for around 175.00 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 02:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30739; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 02:08:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 02:08:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C871479.3ACE@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:19:21 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bass Looping References: <160.9e2a283.29b82c05@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been quite taken w/looping my "6 string electric upright bass with a bow" as of late.(but it takes so long to say that I just say "electric cello")The bow gives great textural control! At least 2 songs on my new CD will have it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 03:25:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02195; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:23:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:23:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:28:44 -0800 Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C871320.4827@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By day (and far too frequently by night), I'm a software architect for Adobe Systems. In between that, I have a wife, a three-year-old son, and a cat. In between that, I try to find time to get into my home music studio. This time allocation needs some tuning... Mark P.S. I brought in a few of the CD's from Loopstock to loan to co-workers. One now is clutching tightly to Max's disc and the other blissed out over Ted's. I should perhaps wonder when the latter told me that he found "Leaving Medford" very restful. They get the discs until Friday and then I'm reclaiming them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 03:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02320; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:24:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:24:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <007601c1c5b1$968a16c0$690ac5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <009e01c1c580$3c67b5c0$ae934e0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:12:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "David Alexander McDonald" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <_7suhC.A.kh.VOyh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pokorny" : David wrote: : : >I wish had I had the spare loot so as to purchase an oud; : >love the sound of the instrument : : I'd like to purchase two of them -- I'd be broke but still have a "spare lute" ;-) A real case of Luter's Delight,eh? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 04:08:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05575; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:07:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:07:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306224415.04a07c68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 01:01:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: BASS LOOPERS to know about -> Fred Marshall In-Reply-To: <00db01c1c519$c64eecc0$f264f93f@global> References: <200203061804.NAA10061@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <288gFD.A.0WB.y2yh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:18 AM 3/6/2002, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >...... is >also the only looper I know, so far who is using an Upright Acoustic Bass to >loop). ..... >Did I leave anybody out? Rick, it was before your time on the Looper's Delight scene, but one of our more colorful and amazing personalities of the past was Fred Marshall. You've all heard Fred's playing, as he was playing upright bass with Vince Guaraldi at the time all of the music for the Peanuts tv shows was recorded. And yes, if you have the bass line from "Linus and Lucy" in your head right now, that was Fred. Fred was a LD list member around '97-98. It hasn't been mentioned here yet, but Fred passed away a few months ago. Or as he would have said, he left his temporary meat suit behind and moved on... Fred was heavy in the SF jazz scene of the late 50's and 60's, playing with everybody from Etta Jones to Howard Roberts to Dexter Gordon to Wes Montgomery to Mose Allison, Joe Henderson, Pharoah Sanders and probably hundreds more. He was always fascinated with pushing boundaries of music, and with new inventions related to music and instruments, and was a constant tinkerer himself. Fred was also simply a wonderful person, filled with wisdom and a great energy for life. I first met him at Zeta Music where he was helping to design their upright electric bass. Fred had worked with tape loops in the past and was immediately fascinated with the loopy gear we were working on with Matthias at G-WIZ. He promptly borrowed a Paradis LoopDelay, and later he borrowed an EDP prototype. (I never asked for them back, they seemed to be in better hands with Fred.) Throughout the nineties he could be heard looping upright bass in the SF bay area with the incendiary jazz combo Marshall Arts. It was great to see loops put into a jazz context like that, and so confidently and well that it seemed natural for jazz to have loops. Fred made some great posts while he was with us, some of my favorites ever. I enjoy re-reading them sometimes, maybe you will too: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=fredmarshall&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=filelist mmmmm kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 04:21:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06256; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:17:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:17:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.72.23] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie Question about Behringer MIDI Foot Controller Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:16:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 09:16:44.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCEE7B00:01C1C5B8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, Has anyone out there used(or using) the Behringer MIDI Foot Controller for controlling a Repeater? Finally putting my rack together and getting a way to control the repeater sans hands is on the "must do" list. Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 04:21:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06429; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:18:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:18:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c1c554$c7a09840$6d61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203070825.DAA02544@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Bass Looping and Bowing Techniques Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:20:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <2OL8zB.A.BkB.yBzh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Kungha Drengsen wrote: "I've been quite taken w/looping my "6 string electric upright bass with a bow" as of late.(but it takes so long to say that I just say "electric cello")The bow gives great textural control! At least 2 songs on my new CD will have it." What an amazing coincidence, Scott: Just this evening (and before I read this post of yours) I got out the two bows I use (a cheap but durable plastic acoustic bass bow and a small and very hip little teensy Suzuki method violin bow-------the smallest size made, I believe.) and spent a couple of hours playing musical saw, then brass candy dishes, then a large gopichand (monochord instrument from India) and finally my 3/4 scale electric bass. The tiny Suzuki bow is really great for electric bass I have found and you can purchase them for the unbelievably cheap price of $25. I can also twirl it, mid piece, and use the back side of it as a slide or as a hammer (as in hammer dulcimer). I even went out and purchased some very, very thin brass sheets so that I can wrap a 5" inch section around the bracing of the bow to create a portable slide. I love that when you bow the strings and then take the bow off of the them, that the volume swells strongly...........a very cool ambient effect. The bow on the Gopichand was particularly cool. I was getting some really cool electronic and almost industrial sounds out of it. I just love when I can make acoustic instruments sound like electronic instruments with lots of processing. Bowing the candy dishes is particularly cool, because when you stop bowing, the sound stops abruptly and it sounds remarkably like a backwards sample of the same bowl being struck: very ethereal!! I look forward to hearing what you are doing with your bow and I look forward to playing with you again soon. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 04:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06897; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:25:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:25:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Newbie Question about Behringer MIDI Foot Controller Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:25:03 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01c1c5b9$f6894f20$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA06814 Resent-Message-ID: <4KBHBC.A.tqB.XHzh8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plenty- search the archives- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Chris Olden [mailto:chrisolden@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie Question about Behringer MIDI Foot Controller Howdy, Has anyone out there used(or using) the Behringer MIDI Foot Controller for controlling a Repeater? Finally putting my rack together and getting a way to control the repeater sans hands is on the "must do" list. Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 04:29:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06952; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:25:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:25:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 02:24:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 09:24:28.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[E15C78C0:01C1C5B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Mark Hamburg > >By day (and far too frequently by night), I'm a software architect for >Adobe >Systems. > Aha! That explains the Klein. ;) I thought I saw your name everytime I load up Photoshop. -p _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 04:32:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07717; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:31:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:31:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:30:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Bass Loopers to know about From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have a look at www.solobassnetwork.org.uk - started life as a mailing list, which I didn't have time to maintain (hoping to relaunch it soon...) but does have a rather fab links page to loads of solo bassists, many of whom are looping. My current fave bass loopers are Ed Friedland and Todd Johnson... Also well worth check out are David Friesen and Eberhard Weber... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 04:33:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07878; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:31:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:31:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: BASS LOOPING TOUR Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:32:10 -0800 Message-ID: <005c01c1c5ba$f51b98e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <009901c1c556$12a447a0$6d61f93f@global> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah- the duet cd is great- I concur! Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BASS LOOPING TOUR Hey Andre and everyone, Your duet CD with the trumpeter is just astonishingly beautiful and very fresh sounding. I've had it in my car CD player for the last three days. Incredible work, my friend. Check it out, folks, if you haven't hear this one yet (as well as his wonderful new solo guitar looping material CD). I got lucky enought to score one of the free copies that he so graciously handed out at the end of Loopstock. Yours, in creativity and community and solidarity and..................looping!!!! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 04:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07358; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:28:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c1c556$12a447a0$6d61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203070825.DAA02544@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: BASS LOOPING TOUR Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:30:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andre and everyone, As RZ mentioned, the Digital Arts Festival is coming this coming month to Santa Cruz and I will be performing at it for two nights (with the intention of making a recording) with master avante/classical flautist, Robert Dick on Saturday, the 20th and Sunday, the 21st at the 418 Gallery. Pamela Z will also be on the bill and there is some talk of some improvisation at the end of each show........we'll see. Robert and I are using this opportunity to try and develop some material for a recording (either live or manipulated) and I will be using a lot of live looping in the process. We also have dates on the Friday, the 19th at the San Jose Museum of Art and Monday, the 22 at the Tuva Gallery in Berkeley. If you end up doing a little mini tour on any weekend other than this one, I would be available on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday or Tuesday nights if it is within a couple hours drive of my home. I won't be able to do a gig as far as San Luis Obispo, unfortunately, mainly because I have to actually earn some income this month ;-) If that doesn't work out, I'll try my best to come see you guys and cheer you on. I'd love to do a little improv with you and/or Mattias and/or RZ if that is at all possible. Your duet CD with the trumpeter is just astonishingly beautiful and very fresh sounding. I've had it in my car CD player for the last three days. Incredible work, my friend. Check it out, folks, if you haven't hear this one yet (as well as his wonderful new solo guitar looping material CD). I got lucky enought to score one of the free copies that he so graciously handed out at the end of Loopstock. Yours, in creativity and community and solidarity and..................looping!!!! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 06:13:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14313; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:11:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:11:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <112.dae3a0f.29b8a4b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:10:44 EST Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_112.dae3a0f.29b8a4b4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_112.dae3a0f.29b8a4b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the bestest & coolest shows I ever saw was way back in the way-back-machine & somewhere in the Late 80's, at a little club in Trenton, NJ called "City Gardens". A band that I had never heard called, "Tackhead", was playing there which featured a great bass player named Doug Wimbush, whom I was later told was somebody that I had probably heard a bazillion times before on a lot of hit records which he played on thruout the 80's. &, wasn't Doug Wimbush also involved w/ the early "Sugarhill" Stuff alongwith at some points being in & or also involved with Living Color, Vernon Reid...right? But man ohhhh man, what a great, really fun & inspirational show Tackhead gave us that nite as the sway Doug Wimbush held with that bass rocked everyone's world thuout the entire evening. Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html --part1_112.dae3a0f.29b8a4b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the bestest & coolest shows I ever saw was way back in the way-back-machine & somewhere in the Late 80's, at a little club in Trenton, NJ called "City Gardens".

A band that I had never heard called, "Tackhead", was playing there which featured a great bass player named Doug Wimbush, whom I was later told was somebody that I had probably heard a bazillion times before on a lot of hit records which he played on thruout the 80's.

&, wasn't Doug Wimbush also involved w/ the early "Sugarhill" Stuff alongwith at some points being in & or also involved with Living Color, Vernon Reid...right?

But man ohhhh man, what a great, really fun & inspirational show Tackhead gave us that nite as the sway Doug Wimbush held with that bass rocked everyone's world thuout the entire evening.

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html






--part1_112.dae3a0f.29b8a4b4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 06:33:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15088; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.14e6eff1.29b8a975@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:31:01 EST Subject: Re: Scratch - the movie / DJ sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > yes, I keep saying that I would like to play with a DJ that can send me a > sync. > I think there are players that analyze the sound and create that > clock, or how do they add drum samples so acurately to CDs? > > the two machines you mention have some "Beat Keeper" Sync, but do not > seem to be MIDI... well, any clock would be fine for the EDP! > -- > Why not try BeatSyncing to their audio? Perhaps with a bandpass filter to pick out a simple beat. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 07:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17435; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:01:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:01:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:01:13 +0000 Subject: CA Looping tour - Central coast clinic venues... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure if they are stocking loads of loop stuff, but instrumental music in Thousand Oaks and Santa Barbara might be worth heading up as a clinic venue - www.instmusic.com - maybe they'd get stuff after seeing it. They've already got DL4, Echo Pro, Loopstation etc. the shop manager at the Santa Barbara store is a lovely chap called Jamie - say hi from me if you get in touch. As they also do PA gear and loads of other musical equipment, you could maybe entice them with judicious product placement thoughout the set... emai - jamie@instmusic.com cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 08:43:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22111; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:40:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:40:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <105.1234338e.29b8c793@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:39:31 EST Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hans, >It's cool, I don't play that much bass anyways. Actually, I need to >make an effort to check your stuff out too. >Is there any SplatterCell available on vinyl? only the splattercell remixes are on vinyl, aptly entitled 'remiksis:ah'. my older ecm discs are on vinyl, also. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 08:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22382; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.244545fa.29b8c816@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:41:42 EST Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com armatronix@charter.net writes: >I couldn't find any S/C vinyl on that site. you could try 75ark.com, or theartist-shop.com. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 08:52:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23018; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:51:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <133.a7f19b2.29b8ca1c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:50:20 EST Subject: BASS LOOPERS to know about -> Eberhard Weber To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <6LCd2C.A.emF.BB3h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 09:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25242; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:06:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:06:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: Scratch - the movie / DJ sync Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:00:40 -0500 Message-ID: <008f01c1c5e0$77d134f0$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8d.14e6eff1.29b8a975@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <05mCTB.A.1JG.CP3h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do any of you folks know of something that I can hook up to my turntable rig, somewhere in the path (2 turntables, 2 channel mixer, and an echoplex, fed into a 6 channel mixer) that can get a pulse out of what's coming out of either channel or just the master out? I'd like to, in turn, feed this into the beat sync of the echoplex, and start to work with a sync'd sample, since I've been doing it by hand/ear so far. Thanks for you advice, D -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scratch - the movie / DJ sync > yes, I keep saying that I would like to play with a DJ that can send me a > sync. > I think there are players that analyze the sound and create that > clock, or how do they add drum samples so acurately to CDs? > > the two machines you mention have some "Beat Keeper" Sync, but do not > seem to be MIDI... well, any clock would be fine for the EDP! > -- > Why not try BeatSyncing to their audio? Perhaps with a bandpass filter to pick out a simple beat. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 09:21:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26153; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:19:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:19:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:24:38 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c5ec$31cc2260$856a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips~ -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead >One of the bestest & coolest shows I ever saw was way back in the >way-back-machine & somewhere in the Late 80's, at a little club in Trenton, >NJ called "City Gardens". > >A band that I had never heard called, "Tackhead", was playing there which >featured a great bass player named Doug Wimbush, whom I was later told was >somebody that I had probably heard a bazillion times before on a lot of hit >records which he played on thruout the 80's. funnily, just this weekend I picked up a Tackhead disc (nowhere near me and can't recall the name) and realized I had heard them growing up. They were really funky, D. Wimbush on bass, Adrian Sherwood, Keith LeBlanc of SugerHill Gang fame and Keith McDonald on guitar. These guys were from Boogie-Down Bronx when that was a scene. They have one track on the disc I picked up with Melle Mel ("the Message") kicked his thing. Really raw music, made me feel like I was listening to early Stooges or X (energy-wise)! > >&, wasn't Doug Wimbush also involved w/ the early "Sugarhill" Stuff alongwith >at some points being in & or also involved with Living Color, Vernon >Reid...right? see above, not sure if he also did stuff w/SHG, as I would be into hearing those records spun and hardly ever looked at credits and such as a kid. but Doug did go on to replace Muzz Skillings in LC when that went down. > >But man ohhhh man, what a great, really fun & inspirational show Tackhead >gave us that nite as the sway Doug Wimbush held with that bass rocked >everyone's world thuout the entire evening. >Warmest Regards, >John Price/AKASH >"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 09:22:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26314; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:20:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:20:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C877730.1D74A144@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 08:20:33 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Looping and Bowing Techniques References: <200203070825.DAA02544@hemlock.violacea.com> <009701c1c554$c7a09840$6d61f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0FKMvB.A.uZG.0c3h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > spent a couple of hours > playing musical saw, then brass candy dishes, then a large gopichand > (monochord instrument > from India) and finally my 3/4 scale electric bass. funny, i've been spending some time bowing a set of crotales (one octave) w/a pair of cheap chinese bass bows & working on some electric cello playing too... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 09:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27716; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:49:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:49:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.24.249] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:48:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 14:48:48.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[3062C0A0:01C1C5E7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By now the east coast and mid west contingents of LD (including that one brave soul up in Montana) must think that the guys on the west coast are completely nuts! Man, what a gaggle of e-mails! Well, I agree Andre...to REALLY pull this off is gonna take a lot of work. As for my schedule...my only (well my PRIMARY) responsibility is as stay-at-home-dad for my 10 month old daughter, thus allowing Mom to contuinue her work as a Jr High Science Teacher. (really, not a bad deal, esp. considering I haven't had a "normal" job since 1995!) So, mid-week stuff would be difficult. If we are talking about week-end-guerilla-action, then it is not a problem, as I can see. A weekend road trip to the BAy Area/Santa Cruz is, of course, do-able. The week of Mar 25-31 is spring break for my wife, and so any of those dates remain open. I am not sure how this works into Matthias' schedule... Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 10:00:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29383; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:59:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:59:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.24.249] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:58:22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 14:58:24.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[8795A3A0:01C1C5E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, Doug Wimbish WAS the bassist on all the Sugarhill stuff ("White Lines", etc.)In fact all of Tackhead was the house rhythm section for Sugarhill...they broke off to do their thing with Mr. Sherwood on board. BTW...last year, maybe the year before, Wimbish, Will Calhoun, and Vinx put togther a project called "Jungle Funk". Now disbanded, they put out only one CD, a live recording from europe. All three used loops extensively (Wimbish with a JamMan and 2290; Calhoun with 3 JamMAns, and Vinx with two) all MIDI sync'd. Really amazing work; vox, percussion and bass...all looping very seamlessly. A very cool and worthwhilew looping disc. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 10:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31043; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:27:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:27:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C878758.888B54A2@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 07:29:28 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #143 References: <200203070149.UAA30709@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about using SamplerMode to capture some loops and then spit them back out? If you kept the same drum pattern as when you recorded the loops, it should just sound like a regular loop, but then you could start tweaking it, slicing and dicing. Maybe there IS a use for those three sequencer tracks in the Jomox, after all.... -Hans > Subject: Re: edp/repeater 'sequencing' (was loopstock aftershock) > Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:08:01 -0800 > From: Andre LaFosse > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Yo DT-SC, > > Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > right: a very fruitful technique, there..... > > 'tis also good w/the repeater, where the triggering sequencer might be asked > > to send pitch, track-mix & slipping infos, as well as tempo (should ya want > > that)..... > > So far I've just programmed drum machine patterns that switch between > loops. The next stage I'm thinking about is setting up patterns that do > that, PLUS send MIDI note commands to change loop speed, direction (i.e. > forward/reverse) in conjunction with those loop changes... > > ...and I'm also thinking about some SERIOUSLY stuttery retriggering > things. (I wonder what the EDP will sound like if I program a bunch of > 16-note retriggerings and crank the tempo up to 250+...) > > And yes, I'm stealing that last idea right from ya, DT! :) > > --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 10:31:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31336; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C878817.92B7323A@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 07:32:39 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Stick Preamp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe it's old news, but I just noticed this on the Rane page: http://www.rane.com/sp13.html -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 10:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31616; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:33:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:33:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <151.a0942bc.29b8e1dd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:31:41 EST Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 3/7/02 12:24:01 AM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >P.S. I brought in a few of the CD's from Loopstock to loan to co-workers. >One now is clutching tightly to Max's disc and the other blissed out over >Ted's. I should perhaps wonder when the latter told me that he found >"Leaving Medford" very restful. They get the discs until Friday and then >I'm reclaiming them. Hmmmmmm. Maybe it's acting as sort of an audio purgative. Performing it is a bit of a cathartic experience. :-) Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 10:35:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31779; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:33:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:33:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8788D9.C67866B0@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 07:35:53 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Another oddity from Rane - signal router Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's another one for those who like be able to reconfigure their audio paths on the fly: http://www.rane.com/rpm88.html -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 10:45:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32710; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:44:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:44:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c1c5ef$a2abaca0$bd954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:48:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA32645 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David wrote: >: >I wish had I had the spare loot so as to purchase an oud; >: >love the sound of the instrument James replied: >: I'd like to purchase two of them -- I'd be broke but still have a "spare >lute" ;-) then David parried with: >A real case of Luter's Delight,eh? Well, I recently saw a nice one in a shop window. I thought about breaking the glass, grabbing it and running, but that would be . . . . . . looting ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 10:45:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32388; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:39:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:39:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick Preamp Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:38:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 15:38:36.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[254D8450:01C1C5EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use Tech 21 SansAmps for the chapman & NS sticks. I have both the PSA-1 & also I'm a big fan of the Bass Driver DI. It really helps the sound.. Regards LOU >From: Hans Lindauer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: Stick Preamp >Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 07:32:39 -0800 > >Maybe it's old news, but I just noticed this on the Rane page: > >http://www.rane.com/sp13.html > >-Hans > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 10:52:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00847; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:50:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:50:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:49:50 EST Subject: Duet CD inquiry To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, In a message dated 3/7/02 1:28:14 AM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Your duet CD with the trumpeter is just astonishingly beautiful >and very fresh sounding. > >Check it out, folks, if you haven't hear this one yet (as well as his >wonderful new solo guitar looping material CD). I got lucky enough >to score one of the free copies that he so graciously handed out >at the end of Loopstock. Okay Andre, how bout it? What's this new CD Rick is speaking of? Can those of us who missed out on scoring one in SLO buy one? Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 11:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02543; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:00:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:00:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:59:43 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pro-Audio_section_on_Rane_website_?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 301build11 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.3.76 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA02468 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did you ever check these amazing huge resources that RANE offer on their website? http://www.rane.com/digi-dic.html http://www.rane.com/library.html#rnotes http://www.rane.com/hotlinks.html greetings Italo De Angelis ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 11:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04769; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:36:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:36:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8799CA.3A5C@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 08:48:10 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about References: <105.1234338e.29b8c793@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jaco-"slang", Brad Hauser, The bassist in "Living Daylights" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 11:59:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06101; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:56:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:56:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:55:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1nJvuC.A.2dB.-u5h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, i'll chime in here. tackhead absolutely smoked around the late 80's. saw them at the palace in hollywood about 88 and was just blown away. wimbush, for me, was hendrix on bass that night...even doing the over the head thing and playing with his teeth and shit... just crazy. IMHO, Gary Clail's Tackhead Sound System is a seminal record...so far ahead of it's time with the whole dj/band configuration. also worth checking out might be Mark Stewart and Maffia, which, if i remember correctly, is Wimbush, Sherwood and the others, but with Mark Stewart at the mike, rather than Gary Clail. man, it's been a long time since i've dug into that stuff, although Tackhead Sound System still finds it's way into the CD player on a fairly regular basis. the samples of Margaret Thatcher do tend to date it a bit, though! best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 12:15:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08482; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:13:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:13:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:13:24 -0800 Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yesterday my wife said, "We really seem to be getting a lot (of music) done lately, I wonder why." Could it be we had our cable TV shut off? Hmmmmmm maybe.... Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, March 7, 2002, at 12:28 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > By day (and far too frequently by night), I'm a software architect for > Adobe > Systems. > > In between that, I have a wife, a three-year-old son, and a cat. > > In between that, I try to find time to get into my home music studio. > > This time allocation needs some tuning... > > Mark > > P.S. I brought in a few of the CD's from Loopstock to loan to > co-workers. > One now is clutching tightly to Max's disc and the other blissed out > over > Ted's. I should perhaps wonder when the latter told me that he found > "Leaving Medford" very restful. They get the discs until Friday and > then I'm > reclaiming them. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 12:38:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09189; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:22:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:22:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:21:43 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #143 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <3KQ4GC.A.JOC.JH6h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hans@ernieball.com writes: >Maybe there IS a use for those >three sequencer tracks in the Jomox, after all.... from experience (not w/the jomox, but), i can tell ya that there *is*, indeed..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 12:42:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09948; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:41:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:41:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020307092933.048b80e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:36:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Scratch - the movie / DJ sync In-Reply-To: <008f01c1c5e0$77d134f0$6142a8c0@dyland> References: <8d.14e6eff1.29b8a975@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:00 AM 3/7/2002, Dylan DeAnda wrote: >Do any of you folks know of something that I can hook up to my turntable >rig, somewhere in the path (2 turntables, 2 channel mixer, and an echoplex, >fed into a 6 channel mixer) that can get a pulse out of what's coming out of >either channel or just the master out? I'd like to, in turn, feed this into >the beat sync of the echoplex, and start to work with a sync'd sample, since >I've been doing it by hand/ear so far. There are beat detect to midi clock devices made for just this. you could use one to send midi clock to the echoplex to get in sync with the turntable. Red Sound makes some, probably there are others: http://www.redsound.com/djindex.htm the product is called the "micro sync beat xtractor" kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 12:50:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10365; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:44:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c1c5ff$9e37bd70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:43:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Could it be we had our cable TV shut off? Yes! I haven't had cable TV for at least 15 years! "..Blow up the TeeVee..." Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 13:07:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12585; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:05:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:05:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:04:34 +0000 Subject: Andre's duet CD??? From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre duet CD? what duet CD? you ain't mentioned it here - where can I buy one??? Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 13:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12474; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:05:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:05:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:04:34 +0000 Subject: Rick W and Robert Dick From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> As RZ mentioned, the Digital Arts Festival is coming this coming month to Santa Cruz and I will be performing at it for two nights (with the intention of making a recording) with master avante/classical flautist, Robert Dick on Saturday, the 20th and Sunday, the 21st at the 418 Gallery.<<< I'm really looking forward to hearing the fruits of that tour!! if I was a little more financially independent I'd fly out to see it! :o) hope it goes well, Rick... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 13:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14459; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:41:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:41:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020307094406.044f5690@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:36:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Scratch - the movie/DJ's and Echoplexes In-Reply-To: <004d01c1c538$54850a10$6142a8c0@dyland> References: <3C85CD7F.34E0F7C7@altruistmusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:57 AM 3/6/2002, Dylan DeAnda wrote: >Here's how I use the turntables with the echoplex: hey Dylan, thanks for posting all of that, I found it really interesting! Do you have any recordings available to hear you do it? and is there some place we can go see you do it live? I would really enjoy that. I always thought that live looping would be completely natural for dj's to get into, I'm glad to see that happening more and more. >If any of this DJ/Sampler hoo ha sounds interesting, I would offer up some >of the better names of DJ's who use a sampler with natural proficiency: >DJ Radar (www.djradar.com) He works with 1 turntable, a mixer and an >echoplex and makes the most fantastic scratch based music as a one-man band. I've heard of dj radar before, and was fascinated. he even plays turntable for an orchestra piece, and developed a system of notation for scratching right? However, I wish he would actually mention the fact that what he uses is not a "customized sampler" with no name, but a "looper" that happens to be an EDP. (I have no idea what he customized on it, probably just audio routing or added phono inputs or something.) A looper is not the same as a sampler and one doesn't really substitute for the other. I suspect he might just be frustrating other dj's who want to try something like him, but do not know what device to get. If they try to get a sampler it won't work and they might give up. Seems to me he could do more to promote the idea among dj's by directing people to the idea of a "looper" instead of a mysterious sampler... >Things I wish I could do with my turntables and echoplex: >I wish I could stutter. I still haven't figured out how to do it with a >single plex. The Mute-Insert combination is what we call ReTrigger. Press Mute. Then press Insert to come out of Mute. This triggers the loop from the beginning to play once and then mute again. It also lets you retrigger, so if you press Insert repeatedly at that point you will get your stutter effect. There is a similar feature using the BeatSync. with the sync parameter set to In, you press Mute and the Multiply. This arms the loop to wait for a trigger on the BeatSync. This can be something like a momentary footswitch, or a pulse output, or even a strong audio pulse. It will trigger and retrigger the loop the same as Mute-Insert does from the front panel. In the next software we are adding some additional midi commands to do retriggers at any time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 13:47:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15092; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:46:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:46:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BASS LOOPING TOUR Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:45:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 18:45:15.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[389918C0:01C1C608] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Your duet CD with the trumpeter is just astonishingly beautiful and very >fresh sounding. I've had it in my car CD player for the last three days. >Incredible work, my friend. I second that motion! I got to it last night and I've probably listened to is about 3 times through by now. Great work Andre! Jon _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 13:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14829; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:45:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:57:19 -0600 Message-ID: <005c01c1c612$49f7eba0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, and they stole the BASSLINE (for whitelines) from a tune by NY Art Rock band, Liquid Liquid !!! BTW, I mentioned earlier, I got my tix to see the David Sancious trio with Doug & Will (2/23 at The Bottom Line). The opening band is The Mahavishnu Project, has any body heard them? (Has anybody heard the Sancious trio for that matter) I've been a huge Sancious fan since his first solo album "Forest of Feeling" from the mid 70's, which was produced by Cobham. I got to see him live a few times around 76, when he was playing Keys (& guitar) for Stanley on the School Days tour. He absolutely blew me away! Of course I saw him numerous times (on TV & Video) 10 or so years ago when he was with Sting for a number of years. We even used to cover a few TONE tunes in my Fusion band from 20 yrs ago (FX). >From what I read of the Mahavishnu Project, they cover the entire albums Inner Mounting Flame & Birds of Fire. SHould be interesting (I think) Bill Cummings ----- Original Message ----- From: "max valentino" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead > Yes, Doug Wimbish WAS the bassist on all the Sugarhill stuff ("White Lines", > etc.)In fact all of Tackhead was the house rhythm section for > Sugarhill...they broke off to do their thing with Mr. Sherwood on board. > BTW...last year, maybe the year before, Wimbish, Will Calhoun, and Vinx put > togther a project called "Jungle Funk". Now disbanded, they put out only one > CD, a live recording from europe. All three used loops extensively (Wimbish > with a JamMan and 2290; Calhoun with 3 JamMAns, and Vinx with two) all MIDI > sync'd. Really amazing work; vox, percussion and bass...all looping very > seamlessly. A very cool and worthwhilew looping disc. > Max > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 13:52:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15484; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:49:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:49:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020307103722.02606410@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:43:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts In-Reply-To: <3C86EB64.ABCF6210@altruistmusic.com> References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> <01b601c1c583$712e9370$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:24 PM 3/6/2002, Andre LaFosse wrote: >If we did SLO on a Thursday or Friday, and a couple of things in the Bay >Area over that weekend, it would probably make things reasonably >managable for everyone involved. The Banana's at Large clinic idea >isn't bad at all; what about the possibility of some sort of house >concert deal somewhere in the area? (And/or doing a clinic there, if >the Banana's idea doesn't pan out...) I've been planning to do a clinic/show with Matthias at my warehouse towards the end of the month, which would be a lot easier than carting everything across the bay to Bananas. (and a lot more centrally located to others in the bay area.) no details yet, so this doesn't count as an announcement. :-) I don't think I'd want to try to host a whole bill of performers, though. we've got enough things to do this month already.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 14:00:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16222; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:58:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:58:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C8799CA.3A5C@earthlink.net> References: <105.1234338e.29b8c793@aol.com> <3C8799CA.3A5C@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:02:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Jaco-"slang", >Brad Hauser, >The bassist in "Living Daylights" -Arne Livingston! He's amazing. I ran sound for the Daylights at a festival last fall, and their show had to be the most effortless, grooving, and completely natural sounding use of looping I've ever seen in a band context. And it was just done with a JamMan! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 14:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18515; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:13:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:13:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020307110431.025bca58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:08:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: JamMan Upgrade In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:49 PM 3/6/2002, Jon Wagner wrote: >>I usually want to fade in 20-30 secs, irregardless of loop length. > >WOW! I could never figure out why I thought feedback never seemed to work >the way I wanted on the EDP - especially on long loops. Now I realize >that this is what I had secretly been wishing it would do. understand that fading and feedback are quite different things, and serve different purpose. One doesn't replace the other. Feedback is a tool for evolving and modifying loops, rather than just ending them. There is a lot to learn about feedback, how it works and what it is good for, check some of these links from the LD site: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ8.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/Tips_fromLD.html#tips1 kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 14:16:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19047; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:15:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:15:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:27:06 -0600 Message-ID: <007d01c1c616$731cc510$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: <005c01c1c612$49f7eba0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> <004a01c1c609$776b2380$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_NsrW.A.nkE.sw7h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yea, definitely, SATURDAY 3/23 at the Bottom Line (2 shows 7:30 & 10 PM) It does sound awesome, don't it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Bill Cummings" Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: OT: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead > Holy cow- that sounds awesome- I love The Mahavishnu Orchestra! Let us know > how it goes- but 2/23? You mean 3/23? > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Cummings" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead > > > > Yea, and they stole the BASSLINE (for whitelines) from a tune by NY Art > Rock > > band, Liquid Liquid !!! > > > > BTW, I mentioned earlier, I got my tix to see the David Sancious trio with > > Doug & Will (2/23 at The Bottom Line). The opening band is The Mahavishnu > > Project, has any body heard them? (Has anybody heard the Sancious trio for > > that matter) I've been a huge Sancious fan since his first solo album > > "Forest of Feeling" from the mid 70's, which was produced by Cobham. I got > > to see him live a few times around 76, when he was playing Keys (& guitar) > > for Stanley on the School Days tour. He absolutely blew me away! Of > course > > I saw him numerous times (on TV & Video) 10 or so years ago when he was > with > > Sting for a number of years. We even used to cover a few TONE tunes in my > > Fusion band from 20 yrs ago (FX). > > > > From what I read of the Mahavishnu Project, they cover the entire albums > > Inner Mounting Flame & Birds of Fire. SHould be interesting (I think) > > Bill Cummings > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "max valentino" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:58 PM > > Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead > > > > > > > Yes, Doug Wimbish WAS the bassist on all the Sugarhill stuff ("White > > Lines", > > > etc.)In fact all of Tackhead was the house rhythm section for > > > Sugarhill...they broke off to do their thing with Mr. Sherwood on board. > > > BTW...last year, maybe the year before, Wimbish, Will Calhoun, and Vinx > > put > > > togther a project called "Jungle Funk". Now disbanded, they put out only > > one > > > CD, a live recording from europe. All three used loops extensively > > (Wimbish > > > with a JamMan and 2290; Calhoun with 3 JamMAns, and Vinx with two) all > > MIDI > > > sync'd. Really amazing work; vox, percussion and bass...all looping > very > > > seamlessly. A very cool and worthwhilew looping disc. > > > Max > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 14:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18795; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:15:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:14:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020307103722.02606410@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a reply to Andre LaFosse, Kim Flint said: I've been planning to do a clinic/show with Matthias at my warehouse towards the end of the month, which would be a lot easier than carting everything across the bay to Bananas. (and a lot more centrally located to others in the bay area.) no details yet, so this doesn't count as an announcement. :-) I don't think I'd want to try to host a whole bill of performers, though. we've got enough things to do this month already.... kim Announcement or no, include me in--this I gotta see! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 14:23:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19615; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:21:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:21:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020307192046.95401.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:20:46 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00db01c1c519$c64eecc0$f264f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I produced the first Bass Looping Tour last year > with Max, Steve Lawson, > Michael Manring and myself. > Although a bassist, I am better known as a > drummer/percussionist/found > object/invented object looper). > wow, that is quite a feat...congratulations! > I just thought that if you are interested in bass > loopers that you also > should check into these people: thanks, i will definitely look into them. out of that group, i am only really familiar with michael manring's work. what i have heard him do blew me away and opened my mind to a new world of possibilities for the bass. > One of these days, I have plans to put out at least > an EP mini CD of solo > bass work, myself. I have the least chops of any > of these fine bassists > but I play the bass as if I were some Shamanic Papua > New Guinea musician > encountering > an electric bass guitar with a hell of a lot of > processing effects for the > very first time: minimalistic , but, hopefully, > creative and interesting. > i too plan to eventually release some of the solo ideas (and now loop pieces - i now own an electrix repeater - woo hoo!) that i have been working on over the years...if not anywhere else, on a web site that i have plans to put together. i am currently working with a few ground level projects that will hopefully hit the live music scene in the city in a few months...but my style tends to be what i call 'liquid bass' or 'cosmic bass.' it stems from smooth syncopation and trying to capture a fluid feel. i have a few techniques that i have been developing that really capture this idea. i plan to do some recording in the near future and would be happy to pass along copies to anyone interested in hearing my vision. > I will also be producing the second annual Bass > Looping Tour sometime later > in this year in Northern California. > Watch for it................and send me some of your > material for possible > inclusion or, at the very least, to be able to play > between acts at the > festival. i will definitely get something out to you to check out...and i'll watch for further info on this. when would you like to have something by? > Last year, I did an entire piece in > Berkeley using a cut off of > Cameron Street's cd as > an ambient backdrop just so that he could say that > he participated from as > far away as Australia. > great music transcends miles and miles... > Yours, in the subsonic sphere of the the looping > world, > > Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) > thanks again, rick... e va n|s sa b __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 14:50:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20961; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C87C4A1.B02EC078@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:50:57 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: BSP: armatronix @ frog & peach this friday 03-08-2002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Hans Lindauer From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to everyone who came out last weekend for the armatronix shows at Sweet Springs Saloon and at Loopstock. If you missed us last weekend, you missed some great shows, but you'll get another chance tomorrow night, Friday March 8th when we play Frog and Peach Pub in downtown San Luis Obispo, California. The show will commence at 10 p.m. and go until about 1:30 a.m., and the admission is free. See you there, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 14:50:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20939; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:48:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:48:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C87C36D.5F57B266@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:45:49 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Narrowing it down References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim said, > I've been planning to do a clinic/show with Matthias at my warehouse > towards the end of the month, which would be a lot easier than carting > everything across the bay to Bananas. (and a lot more centrally located to > others in the bay area.) no details yet, so this doesn't count as an > announcement. :-) I don't think I'd want to try to host a whole bill of > performers, though. we've got enough things to do this month already.... This could be the missing link in the equation, I think... If the SLO venue availability Hans mentioned starting Thursday, March 28th could be pinned down, possibly in conjunction with something else on that Friday in SLO, that would fit into Max's schedule, as his wife has the week off. That Saturday or Sunday could serve as a good day for Kim and Matthias' clinic/thing. Max and Matthias could consummate their duo ambitions, and I definitely want to see Kim and Matthias talking EDP shop in person. And if I happen to have any EDP insights not thoroughly addressed by Mr. Flint or Senor Grob, I'd be delighted to offer whatever I can in such a forum. If something else could be arranged in the Bay Area for that weekend (maybe a house concert?), then I think this is extremely do-able. Any Bay Area listers have a big basement? The one problem I see with this specific plan is that Zvonar needs to be in LA on the 30th, which would make it unlikely for him. And Max has duties to tend to during the week, so arranging it around the week of the 22nd would make things more complex for him... I could do either weekend, though it would be good for me to know which one it'll be ASAP. At this point, I say let's let Kim and Matthias decide when they want to do their clinic, and arrange things around that. Needless to say, I don't expect the SLO openings to remain open indefinitely, so the sooner that could be confirmed, the better... But I don't want to make life complex for Kim. (OK, Flint, I'll give you a few hours to stop laughing at that last sentence coming from Andre LaFosse.) What do you say, Aurisis Lads? --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24342; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:12:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:12:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c1c5e2$0d186d70$36f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <006501c1c5ff$9e37bd70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:11:59 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_iKdiC.A.r6F.Im8h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nor do i have cable. best advice for magically having more time to play music: throw your t.v. through the window. when i drive down the street at night and see the glow of a television from within so many homes, i wonder how much of our time is wasted on television. think of how much we'd get done without it...just a thought... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:17:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24185; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:11:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:11:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C87C8A7.131C4233@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:08:06 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre's duet CD??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <__Q0IC.A.N5F.4k8h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good grief, what a bachannalian email orgy we've had the last few days... Here's the deal on the duet "CD," such as it is. Since mid-January, I've been playing in an duo with Eric Oberthaler, a multi-instrumentalist who uses an EDP. We've been exploring various combinations of EDP use, instrument pairing, etc. and recording our work live to DAT. We compiled the best bits from our first four sessions together for a CD-R which we handed out to some folks at Loopstock. Like my December 2001 solo recordings, the duets disc is intended first and foremost as a way of documenting and disseminating the work we've been doing. I honestly don't know exactly how the duet material will be made available in general. I do know that we're planning on putting at least some of those tracks on the web. Eric and I need to sit down and figure out what to do with the recordings we already have; there's a possibility we'll make them available as CD-Rs at gigs and/or online. And I plan to offer the December recordings as part of my custom-burned CD-R thing (which may actually see the light of day some time this decade). Rest assured that I'll spam the list into oblivion once these things materialize in any concrete form. Right now, however, the only CD I have available for sale is Disruption Theory. To whet your appetite, though, here are some links to give you an intro to Eric and his work: http://www.soundsliketree.com (his homepage) http://www.soundsliketree.com/files/hot.html (some short but very substantial mp3s of his own music - check the first one in particular) Big thanks to those who have listened to the stuff and posted their feedback; very gratifying indeed. There are at least one or two things Eric and I have done that's some of my favorite stuff I've been personally involved with in a long time, so I'm sure it'll see the light of day in some form or another. Awreet... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:30:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25837; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:27:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:20:52 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20020307202613.XHQI2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@dean> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA25707 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i often set the tv up in the studio (i like bad tv...i think v.i.p. is the best show on tv), and route the audio through the machines...there is nothing like watching the news with the audio running through the vocoder (with a drum machine in the other input) and/or a sequenced analog filter...add a little reverb and a drum machine, and the news is rockin! deknow >> nor do i have cable. >> best advice for magically having more time to play music: throw your t.v. >> through the window. >> when i drive down the street at night and see the glow of a television >> from >> within so many homes, i wonder how much of our time is wasted on >> television. >> think of how much we'd get done without it...just a thought... >> -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:32:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26342; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:31:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:31:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:30:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00a301c1c5e2$0d186d70$36f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thoughts on the evils of TV-- If you turn the volume down, it's not nearly as hypnotizing. With the addition of a VCR, TIVO or DVD, you become program Director. It costs nothing to receive broadcast TV, and cable is way affordable. Not everybody likes music well enough to want to practice, and most people would rather get their thrills from somebody else. You know, that might be the link--looping provides a way to become spectator as well as participant. Anyway, I don't watch much TV, but it is certainly a wonderful tool, if somewhat misused. I gotta think digital recording of programming would alleviate a lot of the negatives, but having said that, I have not yet availed myself of that technology. My 2 cents, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:37:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27403; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:36:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:36:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C87CF21.B36E8984@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:35:45 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Scratch - the movie/DJ's and Repeaters References: <3C85CD7F.34E0F7C7@altruistmusic.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020307094406.044f5690@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a test to see how well the Repeater took the prerecorded dance loops of my Roland MC-307 and did a beat detect. A lot of the beats had heavy shuffle action going on, so I was amazed to find the Repeater seemed to track the tempo almost perfectly! As good as MIDI synch. I don't use it this way, but I imagine it would be perfect if I were playing with a DJ. Mark Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:57 AM 3/6/2002, Dylan DeAnda wrote: > > >Here's how I use the turntables with the echoplex: > > hey Dylan, thanks for posting all of that, I found it really interesting! > Do you have any recordings available to hear you do it? and is there some > place we can go see you do it live? I would really enjoy that. > > I always thought that live looping would be completely natural for dj's to > get into, I'm glad to see that happening more and more. > > >If any of this DJ/Sampler hoo ha sounds interesting, I would offer up some > >of the better names of DJ's who use a sampler with natural proficiency: > >DJ Radar (www.djradar.com) He works with 1 turntable, a mixer and an > >echoplex and makes the most fantastic scratch based music as a one-man band. > > I've heard of dj radar before, and was fascinated. he even plays turntable > for an orchestra piece, and developed a system of notation for scratching > right? > > However, I wish he would actually mention the fact that what he uses is not > a "customized sampler" with no name, but a "looper" that happens to be an > EDP. (I have no idea what he customized on it, probably just audio routing > or added phono inputs or something.) A looper is not the same as a sampler > and one doesn't really substitute for the other. I suspect he might just be > frustrating other dj's who want to try something like him, but do not know > what device to get. If they try to get a sampler it won't work and they > might give up. Seems to me he could do more to promote the idea among dj's > by directing people to the idea of a "looper" instead of a mysterious > sampler... > > >Things I wish I could do with my turntables and echoplex: > >I wish I could stutter. I still haven't figured out how to do it with a > >single plex. > > The Mute-Insert combination is what we call ReTrigger. Press Mute. Then > press Insert to come out of Mute. This triggers the loop from the beginning > to play once and then mute again. It also lets you retrigger, so if you > press Insert repeatedly at that point you will get your stutter effect. > > There is a similar feature using the BeatSync. with the sync parameter set > to In, you press Mute and the Multiply. This arms the loop to wait for a > trigger on the BeatSync. This can be something like a momentary footswitch, > or a pulse output, or even a strong audio pulse. It will trigger and > retrigger the loop the same as Mute-Insert does from the front panel. > > In the next software we are adding some additional midi commands to do > retriggers at any time. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27948; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:40:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:40:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804AFE@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: re[2]: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:39:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C618.38DF2F30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C618.38DF2F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i often set the tv up in the studio (i like bad tv...i think v.i.p. is the best show on tv), ** vip rules - - it's so cheesy. unfortunately, they pulled it off the late saturday nightslot so i don't see it any more (i'm gonna be g**d****'d if i'm gonna watch it during the day). 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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C618.38DF2F30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:43:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28408; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:42:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:42:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c1c618$9b6ad870$293e230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020307202613.XHQI2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@dean> Subject: Re: re[2]: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:42:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ROTFL!!!!! no tv for me, but what a fascinating idea! for me, the internet is just as distracting as tv though. i'm on half a dozen lists which i tend to participate in pretty much daily, i'm often trolling for new vst/directx plugins to play with, reading/listening/viewing new stuff all the time (and i get horribly distracted doing this, most recently i was looking for somewhere local to buy arrows, took a tangent to a traditional archery resource site, followed a dozen links on mongolian composite bow use and construction, and finally pulled myself away from some fascinating sites on mongolian history and musical instruments a few hours later. whew, what time is it? ;-), trying to find old dr. who episodes, and playing with sundry software media toys and 3d/virtual-terrain/fractal fun stuff. i'm a network/systems engineer by day, easily distracted by night. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Stiglitz" To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:20 PM Subject: re[2]: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > i often set the tv up in the studio (i like bad tv...i think v.i.p. is the best show on tv), and route the audio through the machines...there is nothing like watching the news with the audio running through the vocoder (with a drum machine in the other input) and/or a sequenced analog filter...add a little reverb and a drum machine, and the news is rockin! > > deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28480; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:43:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:43:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:36:38 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20020307204159.OOON2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@dean> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA28324 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you would think with vcrs with timers and clocks would have changed things, but most tv watchers do not want to control what they see or when they see it...as the t shirt says..."that's why they call it PROGRAMING"...but most ppl will not even set the clock on the vcr (well, at least it gives comedians something to laugh at). the observation that looping allows you to become the spectator and the performer is spot on! deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:44:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28739; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:43:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:43:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020307204303.8715.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:43:03 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01c401c1c58c$b0acea20$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if its bass, if its loops, if its music, i'd love to hear it. cosmically yours, e va n|s sa b --- Om_Audio wrote: > Go to the store- view all- last item before the > shirts start- > > Cliff > > PS- Anyone else want copies while I'm at it? > > Jesschekkin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > > Now, that's REALLY taking music piracy back to the > Old School. Can I > borrow > your Remiksis CD? :) > > I couldn't find any S/C vinyl on that site. > > -Hans > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Om_Audio" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:27 PM > Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about > > > > I HIGHLY recommend the Remikses album- looks like > it comes on vinyl > too- > > the original Oah album does not- > http://www.75ark.com/1488/index.html > > > > By the way, I thought you were getting that Vestax > vinyl cutter next > > week? Wuddup yo? > > > > Cliff > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hans Lindauer > [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:15 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > > > > It's cool, I don't play that much bass anyways. > Actually, I need to > > make an > > effort to check your stuff out too. Is there any > SplatterCell > available > > on > > vinyl? > > > > -Hans > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:07 PM > > Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > > > > > > > armatronix@charter.net writes: > > > > > > >What about me :) > > > yeah!, what about hans! > > > (sorry, hans..... i've never heard ya play.....) > > > best, > > > deet / spleet > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29427; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:49:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:49:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <86.1784c51b.29b92c01@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:48:01 EST Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim, >I've been planning to do a clinic/show with Matthias at my warehouse >towards the end of the month, good to hear! pls post that info as soon as y'all know if/when/where/etc. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29627; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:50:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:50:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <29.23a6b6f1.29b92c43@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:49:07 EST Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <1fQnrB.A.CNH.nJ9h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone said: >>Brad Hauser critters buggin! dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29914; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:51:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:51:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020307205102.15973.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:51:02 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a301c1c5e2$0d186d70$36f8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > best advice for magically having more time to play > music: throw your t.v. > through the window. > couldn't agree with you more! > when i drive down the street at night and see the > glow of a television from > within so many homes, i wonder how much of our time > is wasted on television. > think of how much we'd get done without it...just a > thought... > i have a few friends who have a home studio set up in their apt instead of a tv. for many it is very hard to believe that they have no tv...but every time i go over to their place we jam and record for pretty much the entire time except for when pre recorded music is filling the airs from their turn tables. > -jim > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 15:57:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30565; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:56:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:56:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:55:52 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <077301c1c61a$78214460$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29.23a6b6f1.29b92c43@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com host! > someone said: > > >>Brad Hauser > critters buggin! > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:02:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32562; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:01:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:01:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:00:02 EST Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: >best advice for magically having more time to play music: throw your t.v. >through the window. a nice sentiment, i think --- given the general 'quality' level of most of what's on the tube, but somewhat misdirected, i think. >when i drive down the street at night and see the glow of a television >from >within so many homes, i wonder how much of our time is wasted on television. >think of how much we'd get done without it...just a thought... indeed. i watch the tv --- mostly (so-called) news, sports, movies, cartoons --- and i get more music 'done' than i could ever possibly distribute. (i won't vouch for the music's *quality*, but..... well, you get my point.....) and: i raised two kids, put them through university, and have happily maintained a 30-yr marriage, etc etc..... don't blame the tv-addiction: maybe music is 'done' on a 'need' basis..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30823; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:57:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:57:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c1c619$7cfe30c0$795330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <20020307205102.15973.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:48:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1C619.7AC38300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1C619.7AC38300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i agree tv can stop a lot of people playing/creating/doing. that and the internet, i spend a lot less time doing know than before i = had the internet still i have my rig at home at the moment [and the girlfriend is in the = US]. so i have internet, trun 90 degrees right - rig ! oh the pleasures =AC! 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------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1C619.7AC38300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00792; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:07:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:07:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020307210700.49244.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > BTW...last year, maybe the year before, Wimbish, > Will Calhoun, and Vinx put > togther a project called "Jungle Funk". Now > disbanded, they put out only one > CD, a live recording from europe. All three used > loops extensively (Wimbish > with a JamMan and 2290; Calhoun with 3 JamMAns, and > Vinx with two) all MIDI > sync'd. Really amazing work; vox, percussion and > bass...all looping very > seamlessly. A very cool and worthwhilew looping > disc. that disc was definitely from a few years ago...and as a huge living colour fan, i felt the need to check it out...especially after reading about the disc in bass player mag. granted, that was a few years ago and i have matured quite a bit musically in those years, but as far as i can remember, that jungle funk disc (unless there was another disc with dw and wc from living colour) was so terrible that i actually returned it to the record store claiming it was a gift. i do believe that was the only disc that i have ever returned in my life, and i brought it back the day i got it! i would say that the fact that they disbanded so quickly might back up that it was a horrendous project. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:09:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00601; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: JamMan Upgrade Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:06:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 21:06:01.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[E315FC10:01C1C61B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I usually want to fade in 20-30 secs, irregardless of loop length. > > WOW! I could never figure out why I thought feedback never seemed to work > the way I wanted on the EDP - especially on long loops. Now I realize that > this is what I had secretly been wishing it would do. I usually fade from the front panel. The feedback is for dubbing out parts of the loop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00916; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:07:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:07:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <151.a11c211.29b9304e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:22 EST Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes: >if its bass, insofar as the thread was discussing the availability of my splattercell stuff, that goo ain't about the bass..... though fima ephron does play on one track..... >if its loops, always. proudly delivering FSU loop-based music since 1912..... >if its music, i'd love to hear it. and welcome you are to do so! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:17:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01530; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:15:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:15:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:25:08 -0600 Message-ID: <012901c1c626$f0909a70$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: <20020307210700.49244.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead > > BTW...last year, maybe the year before, Wimbish, > > Will Calhoun, and Vinx put > > togther a project called "Jungle Funk". Now > > disbanded, they put out only one > > CD, a live recording from europe. All three used > > loops extensively (Wimbish > > with a JamMan and 2290; Calhoun with 3 JamMAns, and > > Vinx with two) all MIDI > > sync'd. Really amazing work; vox, percussion and > > bass...all looping very > > seamlessly. A very cool and worthwhilew looping > > disc. > > that disc was definitely from a few years ago...and as > a huge living colour fan, i felt the need to check it > out...especially after reading about the disc in bass > player mag. granted, that was a few years ago and i > have matured quite a bit musically in those years, but > as far as i can remember, that jungle funk disc > (unless there was another disc with dw and wc from > living colour) was so terrible that i actually > returned it to the record store claiming it was a > gift. i do believe that was the only disc that i have > ever returned in my life, and i brought it back the > day i got it! i would say that the fact that they > disbanded so quickly might back up that it was a > horrendous project. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01919; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:17:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <121.d18bba3.29b9329a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:16:10 EST Subject: GIGSPAM: more on my d-cell performance: 3/11: kcrw.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Texture444@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks. some further info: i didn't wanna play by myself, on this Morning Becomes Eclectic radio/internet show, 3/11; i've enlisted some friends for the live-performance morning. we'll see what happens, dt / splattercell info: on kcrw-radio, and kcrw.org morning becomes eclectic monday 3/11, 11:15-12:00 noon, PST (2:15-3:00pm, EST) w/host nic harcourt we'll be: d-cell, including: me some info at splattercell.com tim berne: alto saxy-beast composer. pan-idiomatic legend. hardcore genius. the real deal. record company raconteur. screwgunrecords.com ben perowsky: drummy things: Ben Perowsky, born and raised in New York City, has become one of the most sought after drummers in Manhattan. Through his late teens and early 20's, Ben performed and/or recorded with legends James Moody, Rickie Lee Jones, and Roy Ayers. Since then he has been fortunate to work with an extremely creative and diverse roster of musicians. Some of these include: John Zorn, steeley dan's Walter Becker, jazz guitarist John Scofield, velvet underground's John Cale, John Lurie's Lounge Lizards, winter and winter recording artist Uri Caine, award winning trumpeter Dave Douglas, and afro pop sensation Salif Keita. Closest to his heart are these days are the bands which he is an integral part of, including, Elysian Fields (www.elysianmusic.com), and Liminal (www.goodandevil.net). Ben currently leads the new band "Moodswing orchestra" featuring dj Olive and Steven Bernstein. Also a bebop record made with his father, saxophonist Frank Perowsky will be released later this year. all available at the website www.perowsky.com fima ephron: upright bass-machine: Born in London, England, Fima moved to New York at the age of three, and started playing bass at age thirteen. He attended Music and Art High School, and was playing professionally by age fourteen. Some of the many artists that he has worked with include Screaming Headless Torsos; Lost Tribe; Walter Becker; Splattercell aka David Torn; Gil Scott Heron; Natalie Merchant; Meshell N'degeocello; Hasidic New Wave; David Fiuczynski/John Medeski's 'Lunar Crush'; Dreamtime; Yeoffi; Jeb Loi Nichols; Franklyn Kiermyer; Jacky Byard; Rise Robots Rise; John Zorn; Brad Shepik; Kurt Rosenwinkle; Ben Monder; Current Events; The Flying Bulgar Klezmer Band and numerous other artists. Fima has just released a solo record titled Soul Machine for the Tzadik label. He lives with his wife Sara and son Jordan in the Woodstock, NY area. www.fimamusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:27:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02221; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:21:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:21:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:20:12 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <078f01c1c61d$de0befc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com totally agree. in fact, i have friends/family who wonder how much i would get "done" if i didn't waste so much time practicing... it's difficult to support such absolute claims concerning value. once you've covered food/shelter/freedom/survival, (hopefully without restricting others ability to do so) everything else is just what you like... >... > don't blame the tv-addiction: maybe music is 'done' on a 'need' basis..... > > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03031; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:30:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:30:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005c01c1c612$49f7eba0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> References: <005c01c1c612$49f7eba0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:39:02 -0800 To: "Bill Cummings" From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4NEGKB.A.Jt.xv9h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:57 PM -0600 3/7/2002, Bill Cummings wrote: >Yea, and they stole the BASSLINE (for whitelines) from a tune by NY Art Rock >band, Liquid Liquid !!! Not to mention the bassline to "Good Times" (one of my all-time fave grooves) for Rappers Delight! But I think it's a little unfair to say that they "stole" the musical elements that were used in the early sugarhill rap records. The reason they used the "Good Times" line was because in the clubs at the time, the MC's were using the instrumental 12" mix of the tune to rap over. Probably the same was true of the Liquid Liquid tune. I'm reading an interesting, if rather enthusiastic, and not entirely well-written, but interesting nonetheless, book on the history of DJ's and dance music and clubs called "Last Night a DJ Saved My Life", by Bill Brewster and Frank Broughton, that looks at a lot these issues. BTW, Wimbush has long been one of my fave bassists. The guy manages to totally over the top and completely in the pocket, as the situation demands, I pretty much dig everything he's done. His "Trippy Notes for Bass" cd is quite nice, and aptly titled. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:38:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03395; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:32:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: FCB 1010 update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopaz, there is an update to the Behringer FCB1010 footpedal, which some of us are using to control the Repeater. This update has a feature which allows you to copy presets, which would make my life a bit easier, for sure. the update is available on the website, as well as a pdf update manual. however, the information needs to be burned onto an Eprom and then installed. i made a phone call to Behringer US customer service, hoping they would be able to ship eproms, since i don't have a burner for such a thing. the gentleman suggested i call an electronics store that could download the update and burn it onto the chip, and that they are still figuring out how to provide the update here in the US. he gave me a name of Condor Electronics in Seattle, and suggested i contact them. Is this a common thing that local electronics companies would be able to do? I'm in southern california... any suggestions? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:39:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03908; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:38:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:38:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <29.23a6b6f1.29b92c43@aol.com> References: <29.23a6b6f1.29b92c43@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:46:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4eSLGC.A.g7.H39h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >someone said: > >>>Brad Hauser >critters buggin! >dt / s-c Outrageaously excellent band! Seen them live a number of times, and had the pleasure having BRad stay at my house when he was in town with a different band. Critter's records are fine, but live is where the really do it! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:41:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04104; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:40:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804AFF@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:39:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C620.8B4591D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C620.8B4591D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" it's difficult to support such absolute claims concerning value. once you've covered food/shelter/freedom/survival, (hopefully without restricting others ability to do so) everything else is just what you like... ** yeah. i mean, for most of history (including now in a lot of places!), people have been just trying to survive. my guess is that after working all day to do so, they either passed out or hung out and listened to story-tellers . . . now people have an electronic box to do it for them. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C620.8B4591D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping?

it's difficult to support such absolute claims = concerning value.
once you've covered food/shelter/freedom/survival, =
(hopefully without restricting others ability to do = so)
everything else is just what you like...

** yeah. i mean, for most of history (including now = in a lot of places!), people have been just trying to survive. my guess = is that after working all day to do so, they either passed out or hung = out and listened to story-tellers . . . now people have an electronic = box to do it for them.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C620.8B4591D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:43:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04374; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019301c1c620$bd65c0e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Om Studios" To: References: Subject: Re: FCB 1010 update Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:40:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure- I bet there is someplace within 5 miles of you that could do it- let yer fingers do the walkin' Cliff http://www.om-studios.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: FCB 1010 update > loopaz, > > there is an update to the Behringer FCB1010 footpedal, which some of > us are using to control the Repeater. This update has a feature > which allows you to copy presets, which would make my life a bit > easier, for sure. > > the update is available on the website, as well as a pdf update > manual. however, the information needs to be burned onto an Eprom > and then installed. > > i made a phone call to Behringer US customer service, hoping they > would be able to ship eproms, since i don't have a burner for such a > thing. > > the gentleman suggested i call an electronics store that could > download the update and burn it onto the chip, and that they are > still figuring out how to provide the update here in the US. > > he gave me a name of Condor Electronics in Seattle, and suggested i > contact them. > > Is this a common thing that local electronics companies would be able > to do? I'm in southern california... > > any suggestions? > > best, > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:49:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04895; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:48:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:48:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:38:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <86.1784c51b.29b92c01@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another voice from the wilderness requesting a video of said clinic... Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > >I've been planning to do a clinic/show with Matthias at my warehouse > >towards the end of the month, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:53:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05543; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:52:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If . . you're going . . . to San . . . Fran . . cisco, Be sure to wear . . a camera . . in your hair . . . G -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts Another voice from the wilderness requesting a video of said clinic... Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > >I've been planning to do a clinic/show with Matthias at my warehouse > >towards the end of the month, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:53:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05400; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:52:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:52:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 1010 update Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:51:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 21:51:00.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B7E9BF0:01C1C622] Resent-Message-ID: <38G_Q.A.jSB.jD-h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich, Not sure if they offer that service, but give MarVac Electronics a try. There's one in Costa Mesa. -p >From: rich >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: FCB 1010 update >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:32:26 -0800 > >loopaz, > >there is an update to the Behringer FCB1010 footpedal, which some of >us are using to control the Repeater. This update has a feature >which allows you to copy presets, which would make my life a bit >easier, for sure. > >the update is available on the website, as well as a pdf update >manual. however, the information needs to be burned onto an Eprom >and then installed. > >i made a phone call to Behringer US customer service, hoping they >would be able to ship eproms, since i don't have a burner for such a >thing. > >the gentleman suggested i call an electronics store that could >download the update and burn it onto the chip, and that they are >still figuring out how to provide the update here in the US. > >he gave me a name of Condor Electronics in Seattle, and suggested i >contact them. > >Is this a common thing that local electronics companies would be able >to do? I'm in southern california... > >any suggestions? > >best, > >rich > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05710; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:52:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:52:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B00@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping?/Bass loopers Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:47:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C621.9DD113F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C621.9DD113F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" h'okay, day-time alter ego: day job: proofreader/copyeditor [hence all of my lame typing mistakes when i post ;-) ] in the graphics dept for a large corp. [for you photoshop code guys, put a spell checker in photoshop, okay? ;-) ] live in the suburbs of los angeles with wife and [almost] seven-year-old twins. i've been known to play oldies gigs where i sometimes act as a human looper - - playing the same I-vi-IV-V loop for 20 minutes of oldies medlies. bass looper (kinda): play 6-string electric bass and sometimes do looping with it . . . mostly not a solo looper, mostly try to integrate it into free improv duos/trio/quartets. in other words, it's not the "all" that i do . . . i use it more for texture or as an additional voice in these types of situations. i've done solo gigs of loads of looping, but prefer to leaven it with non-looped stuff - - same with my efforts in the above-mentioned situations. i also tend to want to do more "composed" things and haven't quite gotten around to getting looping integrated into that satisfactorily. something about having time to work stuff out . . . examples of my usage of looping on disc: "antipodes," liebig/golia/mintz (cadence jazz records, 2001): me, saxophonist vinny golia and drummer billy mintz. kinda free jazz with a little loopage buried under the chaos. [no train, same as above (cadence jazz records, 1999); i think i did some looping on this, haven't heard for a while.] vapor, g.e. stinson (ecstatic peace, 2000); g.e. with me and cast of thousands, some looping here and there [tho' i don't remember all of what i did on this]. the allure of roadside curios, l. stinkbug (starlight furniture company, 2002); me, guitarist nels cline, guitarist g.e. stinson, drummer scott amendola. live recording. the three string guys all loop and it's sometimes hard to tell what who is doing what at any given time. we can get noisy. drummer amendola is now also looping . . . crazy - - hope that we can get a disc of some of that out there as well. others are in the can and will come out later this year or are being shopped [two of these have fairly extensive - - for me - - loopage]. other things going back a number of years that are no longer commercially available. oh, and i've never had cable ;-) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C621.9DD113F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping?/Bass loopers

h'okay,

day-time alter ego:

day job: proofreader/copyeditor [hence all= of my lame typing mistakes when i post ;-) ] in the graphics dept for a la= rge corp. [for you photoshop code guys, put a spell checker in photoshop, o= kay? ;-) ]

live in the suburbs of los angeles with wi= fe and [almost] seven-year-old twins.

i've been known to play oldies gigs where = i sometimes act as a human looper - - playing the same I-vi-IV-V loop for 2= 0 minutes of oldies medlies.


bass looper (kinda):

play 6-string electric bass and sometimes = do looping with it . . .

mostly not a solo looper, mostly try to in= tegrate it into free improv duos/trio/quartets. in other words, it's not th= e "all" that i do . . . i use it more for texture or as an additi= onal voice in these types of situations.

i've done solo gigs of loads of looping, b= ut prefer to leaven it with non-looped stuff - - same with my efforts in th= e above-mentioned situations.

i also tend to want to do more "compo= sed" things and haven't quite gotten around to getting looping integra= ted into that satisfactorily. something about having time to work stuff out= . . .


examples of my usage of looping on disc:

"antipodes," liebig/golia/mintz = (cadence jazz records, 2001): me, saxophonist vinny golia and drummer billy= mintz. kinda free jazz with a little loopage buried under the chaos.

[no train, same as above (cadence jazz rec= ords, 1999); i think i did some looping on this, haven't heard for a while.= ]

vapor, g.e. stinson (ecstatic peace, 2000)= ; g.e. with me and cast of thousands, some looping here and there [tho' i d= on't remember all of what i did on this].

the allure of roadside curios, l. stinkbug= (starlight furniture company, 2002); me, guitarist nels cline, guitarist g= .e. stinson, drummer scott amendola. live recording. the three string guys = all loop and it's sometimes hard to tell what who is doing what at any give= n time. we can get noisy. drummer amendola is now also looping . . . crazy = - - hope that we can get a disc of some of that out there as well. <= /P>

others are in the can and will come out la= ter this year or are being shopped [two of these have fairly extensive - - = for me - - loopage]. other things going back a number of years that are no = longer commercially available.



oh, and i've never had cable ;-)

stig






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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C621.9DD113F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 16:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06302; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c1c5be$c109fd40$7c63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203071535.KAA32028@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Bass Loopers: In Memory of Kim Marshall Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:59:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks so much for that historical perspective, Kim. It seems like the world is a little colder without Fred's presence. I saw him play when I was a teenager on a summer vacation with my parents (that I was not too thrilled to be on). I must have been about 15 years old and we stopped at a lonely, but beautiful and classy, A frame restaurant in a narrow mountain valley quite a ways away from Aspen, Colorado. We were famished and it was just getting dark. We walked into the restaurant and there was a piano, a drum set and and acoustic upright laying there. We ordered our meal and who should walk out , but Vince Guaraldi, Fred and whoever the drummer was at the time. It blew my mind!!!!! There was NOONE in this little out of the way restaurant but my family and these famous people played as if there was no tomorrow. It had a huge impact on my musicality to see these musicians playing from the depths of their hearts without a large audience. I once did a fantastic gig where there was a drunk passed out at a table, a cocktail waitress and a bartender. The quartet that I played with just kicked out the jams...........truly one of the best gigs I ever did. When I was done with the fourth set (!!) I went over to the waitress and said, "I'm so sorry that noone came in tonight. I know that you make most of your income off of tips and we didn't really help with that." She replied, "Nonsense, the bartender let me off during the first set. You guys are so fantastic, i stayed until now to see everything you played." Man, it just doesn't get better than that in the musical world, if you ask me. Here's to Fred Marshall's memory and to the memory of all the great musicians who have passed on and who gave their hearts and creativity just because they loved to play. yours, gratefully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07889; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:04:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c1c5bf$bc5e3300$7c63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203071535.KAA32028@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Bass Bowing: a national loop? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 02:06:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote: > spent a couple of hours > playing musical saw, then brass candy dishes, then a large gopichand > (monochord instrument > from India) and finally my 3/4 scale electric bass bobdog replied: "funny, i've been spending some time bowing a set of crotales (one octave) w/a pair of cheap chinese bass bows & working on some electric cello playing too..." With Scott Kungha Drengsens bowing exploits it means that we had an unwitting Bowed Bass Loop occuring in real time. too cool, bobdog. I love bowing crotales.............I got really lucky and picked up the entire zildgian set many years ago ($1,250 list) for $200. I played them as melodies in the Bass Looping Tour last summer that got televised (and is running over and over on local cable access tv right now-----what great advertising!!) We've got to play together again, someday soon, bobdog. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:18:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08673; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:16:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:16:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.196] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bass Loopers/CaliTour/JamManUpgrade etc. Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 22:15:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 22:15:54.0524 (UTC) FILETIME=[A60FFDC0:01C1C625] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! What a deluge of e-mails over the past few days! It has taken me hours to wade thru it all! OK....the tour thing: Andre seems to have a good handle on what's going on. I think we need to re-size out thinking and scale down to something more manageable, if only for "this go round". I would be over-joyed to play again with anyone from Loopstock...and esp. to hook up with Matthias, and Andre (whose duet CD is all that has been claimed...stunningly beautiful! I really cannot stop listening to it...except maybe to listen to a little bit of Ted's CD...then back to Andre's..then back to Ted's...hmmm maybe I should just make a loop of the both them?) Nonetheless....all the Loopstock/Cali Tour posts, and then crops up the solo bass loopers thread! WOW...and hey my name is in there! shucks and thanks...also glad you Loopstockers are enjoying my CD! I have spent the better part of the past 24 hours getting inside this JamBoy upgrade. Yes there are some cool features, but I am unsure how how "stable" it may be. Some of the MIDI functions (like track fade, and reverse fade) seem to not work all the time...which is bothersome to say the least :-( and the unit seems (I must stress the "seems", it's been a long 24 hours!) to be noisier. The input and output controls have definitely changed, and the loop playback is now somewhat distanced (meaning the difference bewteen my real-time sound and the loop sound is NOTICEABLE!) Maybe I'll just put the old JamMan chip back in....and get another looper....edp or repeater...edp or repeater...edp or repeater.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:33:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09971; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:32:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:32:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306224415.04a07c68@loopers-delight.com> References: <200203061804.NAA10061@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020306224415.04a07c68@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:38:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about -> Fred Marshall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 06:18 AM 3/6/2002, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >>...... is >>also the only looper I know, so far who is using an Upright Acoustic Bass to >>loop). >..... >>Did I leave anybody out? > >Rick, it was before your time on the Looper's Delight scene, but one >of our more colorful and amazing personalities of the past was Fred >Marshall. You've all heard Fred's playing, as he was playing upright >bass with Vince Guaraldi at the time all of the music for the >Peanuts tv shows was recorded. And yes, if you have the bass line >from "Linus and Lucy" in your head right now, that was Fred. Fred >was a LD list member around '97-98. > I'm so sorry to hear of Fred's passing, I remember his contributions to LD well. It sounds like he was a musician that continued to push the boundaries throughout his life, a great role model for us all. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09989; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <121.d18bba3.29b9329a@aol.com> References: <121.d18bba3.29b9329a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:41:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: GIGSPAM: more on my d-cell performance: 3/11: kcrw.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, sounds like a terrific lineup! I've been a fan of Berne's for years, ever since the "Fulton Street Maul" lp slipped out on Columbia, and Torn and Berne together is almost unbelievable. Any plans to record this group "officially"? >folks. >some further info: >i didn't wanna play by myself, on this Morning Becomes Eclectic >radio/internet show, 3/11; i've enlisted some friends for the >live-performance morning. >we'll see what happens, >dt / splattercell > >info: >on kcrw-radio, and kcrw.org >morning becomes eclectic >monday 3/11, 11:15-12:00 noon, PST (2:15-3:00pm, EST) >w/host nic harcourt > >we'll be: > >d-cell, including: >me >some info at splattercell.com > >tim berne: alto saxy-beast >composer. pan-idiomatic legend. hardcore genius. the real deal. record >company raconteur. >screwgunrecords.com > >ben perowsky: drummy things: >Ben Perowsky, born and raised in New York City, has >become one of the most sought after drummers in Manhattan. Through his >late teens and early 20's, Ben performed and/or recorded with legends >James Moody, Rickie Lee Jones, and Roy Ayers. Since then he has been >fortunate to work with an extremely creative and diverse roster of >musicians. Some of these include: John Zorn, steeley dan's Walter >Becker, jazz guitarist John Scofield, velvet underground's John Cale, >John Lurie's Lounge Lizards, winter and winter recording artist Uri >Caine, award winning trumpeter Dave Douglas, and afro pop sensation >Salif Keita. >Closest to his heart are these days are the bands which he is an >integral part of, including, Elysian Fields (www.elysianmusic.com), and >Liminal (www.goodandevil.net). Ben currently leads the new band >"Moodswing orchestra" featuring dj Olive and Steven Bernstein. Also a >bebop record made with his father, saxophonist Frank Perowsky will be >released later this year. all available at the website >www.perowsky.com > > > >fima ephron: upright bass-machine: >Born in London, England, Fima moved to New York at the age of three, and >started playing bass at age thirteen. He attended Music and Art High School, >and was playing professionally by age fourteen. >Some of the many artists that he has worked with include Screaming Headless >Torsos; Lost Tribe; Walter Becker; Splattercell aka David Torn; Gil Scott >Heron; Natalie Merchant; Meshell N'degeocello; Hasidic New Wave; David >Fiuczynski/John Medeski's 'Lunar Crush'; Dreamtime; Yeoffi; Jeb Loi Nichols; >Franklyn Kiermyer; Jacky Byard; Rise Robots Rise; John Zorn; Brad Shepik; >Kurt Rosenwinkle; Ben Monder; Current Events; The Flying Bulgar Klezmer Band >and numerous other artists. >Fima has just released a solo record titled Soul Machine for the Tzadik >label. He lives with his wife Sara and son Jordan in the Woodstock, NY area. >www.fimamusic.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10236; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:33:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:33:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e301c1c628$32611820$dfb7e83f@oemcomputer> From: "pepetr" To: References: <200203072218.RAA08881@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: FC 1010 size question Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:34:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to ask those of you who have FC 1010 -- is it really 27 inches long? It's hard for me to believe it would really be that big. My Yamaha MFC 10 is only 23.5 inches. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:34:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09719; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:31:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:31:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:30:30 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <07cb01c1c627$b02e67e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804AFF@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: <46oA1D.A.JXC.Ho-h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol, sounds like a good conceptual art piece- cro-magnon villagers gathered around a tv set... > > it's difficult to support such absolute claims concerning value. > once you've covered food/shelter/freedom/survival, > (hopefully without restricting others ability to do so) > everything else is just what you like... > > ** yeah. i mean, for most of history (including now in a lot of places!), > people have been just trying to survive. my guess is that after working all > day to do so, they either passed out or hung out and listened to > story-tellers . . . now people have an electronic box to do it for them. > > stig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10913; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:36:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:36:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012601c1c628$b2b6cb00$dfb7e83f@oemcomputer> From: "pepetr" To: "Louis Rossi" , References: Subject: Stick Preamp: would it work with sitar? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:37:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would you have any idea if I could use it for my sitar? I don't know much about chapman stick but guess that it could be somewhat in the same range. I am currently looking for pickups and preamp. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:38:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11130; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c1c5f6$609838e0$39f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:37:29 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5xrmUB.A.ZqC.Du-h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in response to dt's comments: i watch zero television but the flipside is that i'm completely out of touch. the only news i get is that from friends, coworkers, etc. although my job requires that i read a few minutes worth of news over the air (radio dj, remember). personally, i just got fed up with plopping myself down in front of the tv and re-emerging hours later only to find that i had a) learned nothing of any value b) wasted 3 hours i could've spent playing music, practicing, etc. between school, a jazz sextet, a rock band, two dogs and a girlfriend, i manage to stay plenty busy without the aide of tv. but that's just me...i still advocate chucking the tv, though ; ) -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:45:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11465; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:39:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:39:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012901c1c626$f0909a70$1f64a8c0@billscomp> References: <20020307210700.49244.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> <012901c1c626$f0909a70$1f64a8c0@billscomp> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:47:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7l-YvD.A.lxC.4v-h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:25 PM -0600 3/7/2002, Bill Cummings wrote: >Agreed I definitely think "Jungle Funk" is not one of the high points of Wimbush's career. One some levels, you really can't fault the performances, especially with all the looping that they did (it was pretty amazing that it was live, although there were obviously some backing tracks). But basically, the material was pretty weak. Yet more proof that content is more important than technique. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Evan Meyers" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:07 PM >Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead > > >> > BTW...last year, maybe the year before, Wimbish, >> > Will Calhoun, and Vinx put >> > togther a project called "Jungle Funk". Now >> > disbanded, they put out only one >> > CD, a live recording from europe. All three used >> > loops extensively (Wimbish >> > with a JamMan and 2290; Calhoun with 3 JamMAns, and >> > Vinx with two) all MIDI >> > sync'd. Really amazing work; vox, percussion and >> > bass...all looping very >> > seamlessly. A very cool and worthwhilew looping >> > disc. >> >> that disc was definitely from a few years ago...and as >> a huge living colour fan, i felt the need to check it >> out...especially after reading about the disc in bass >> player mag. granted, that was a few years ago and i >> have matured quite a bit musically in those years, but >> as far as i can remember, that jungle funk disc >> (unless there was another disc with dw and wc from >> living colour) was so terrible that i actually >> returned it to the record store claiming it was a >> gift. i do believe that was the only disc that i have >> ever returned in my life, and i brought it back the >> day i got it! i would say that the fact that they >> disbanded so quickly might back up that it was a >> horrendous project. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! >> http://mail.yahoo.com/ >> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:51:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12435; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:50:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:50:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804AFF@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <07cb01c1c627$b02e67e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:49:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 22:49:14.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E625DC0:01C1C62A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I run a internal video production studio for a silicon valley company. Dry, boring industrial video type stuff. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:53:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12007; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:47:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:47:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <012601c1c628$b2b6cb00$dfb7e83f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Stick Preamp: would it work with sitar? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:46:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 22:46:41.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2F89260:01C1C629] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is a sitar a two channel instrument? Otherwise, it's probably more cost effective to buy a regular acoustic guitar preamp. You wouldn't need the lowpass filters, or the two channel operation. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "pepetr" To: "Louis Rossi" ; Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: Stick Preamp: would it work with sitar? > Would you have any idea if I could use it for my sitar? I don't know > much about chapman stick but guess that it could be somewhat in the > same range. I am currently looking for pickups and preamp. > > petr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 17:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12164; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:48:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick Preamp: would it work with sitar? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:47:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 22:47:47.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A153C90:01C1C62A] Resent-Message-ID: <9cI9QD.A.39C.y4-h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure if the Rane would work as I have never tried one but it was originally made for an acoustic instrument so maybe… >From: "pepetr" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Louis Rossi" , > >Subject: Stick Preamp: would it work with sitar? >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:37:33 -0700 > >Would you have any idea if I could use it for my sitar? I don't know >much about chapman stick but guess that it could be somewhat in the >same range. I am currently looking for pickups and preamp. > >petr > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14372; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:03:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:03:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:02:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 23:02:15.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FA17460:01C1C62C] Resent-Message-ID: <31uUnB.A.veD.WG_h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I work for a failing Dotcom. Oops, there seems to be some redundancy to that statement :P >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:49:13 -0800 > > >I run a internal video production studio for a silicon valley company. Dry, >boring industrial video type stuff. > >Jonathan > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:07:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14704; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:06:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:06:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c1c62c$97894160$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804AFF@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <07cb01c1c627$b02e67e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:05:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I roam the streets searching for better eye-dope- and Puffin dance in my cardboard box dreams..... ....then I wake up and go 1.3 miles to a small real estate appraisal office, plug em into the computer and print em out while listening to the many gigs of audio I have stuffed on all the hard drives. I look forward to leaving every day- but 9-3 ain't bad and me and the hip jewish guys I work for love to bust jokes on one another most of the time- the festivities never end. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > > I run a internal video production studio for a silicon valley company. Dry, > boring industrial video type stuff. > > Jonathan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14867; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:07:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:07:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c1c62c$ab03d3e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <200203071535.KAA32028@hemlock.violacea.com> <009401c1c5bf$bc5e3300$7c63f93f@global> Subject: Re: Bass Bowing: a national loop? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:06:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are crotales? c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:06 AM Subject: Bass Bowing: a national loop? > I wrote: > > spent a couple of hours > > playing musical saw, then brass candy dishes, then a large gopichand > > (monochord instrument > > from India) and finally my 3/4 scale electric bass > > bobdog replied: > "funny, i've been spending some time bowing a set of crotales (one octave) > w/a > pair of cheap chinese bass bows & working on some electric cello playing > too..." > > With Scott Kungha Drengsens bowing exploits it means that we had an > unwitting > Bowed Bass Loop occuring in real time. > > too cool, bobdog. I love bowing crotales.............I got really lucky > and picked up the entire zildgian set many years ago > ($1,250 list) for $200. I played them as melodies in the Bass Looping > Tour last summer that got televised (and is running over and over on local > cable access tv right now-----what great advertising!!) > > We've got to play together again, someday soon, bobdog. > > yours, Rick > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:17:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15685; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:16:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:16:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:15:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 23:15:29.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8F15CC0:01C1C62D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too bad, though you must admit, the early nineties were a whole lot of fun, as long as you were in on the joke. Sometimes I wish I had made out like the pubescent robber barons I worked for, but then I remember that I would probably be bankrupt like them now too :> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > I work for a failing Dotcom. > Oops, there seems to be some redundancy to that statement :P > > > > >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:49:13 -0800 > > > > > >I run a internal video production studio for a silicon valley company. Dry, > >boring industrial video type stuff. > > > >Jonathan > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:17:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15567; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:16:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:16:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAiDJJdyXQfPMVUF/c+m+9zOchvigCFQCVKWWQoezn/z3RFtVKuv8hv3kN0g== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:15:49 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts Message-ID: <27993-3C87F4A5-89@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Andre LaFosse 's message of Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:24:04 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could have different line-ups for different cities for those on tight scheduals. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:31:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16567; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:30:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:30:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: re[2]: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:35:16 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c639$1eb505a0$8d6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snipzz~ I find television very interesting, being a bit of a McLuhan headed type being. at my place it is almost always on, cable (unless The Establishment has turned it off!) with a few extras, but man it's just always on, usally with the sound off, so i can hear myself play/think. But I find I am even more satisfied while semi-surfing the net/playing ill gtr/watching t.v./having a phone conversation/reading a book or mag. the more different things going on the better for me. they're just kind of on different levels of import. that and growing up playing guitar and always watching tv, making soundtracks to whatever was on, so. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:43 PM Subject: Re: re[2]: what do loopers do when they're not looping? >ROTFL!!!!! > >no tv for me, but what a fascinating idea! for me, the internet >is just as distracting as tv though. i'm on half a dozen lists >which i tend to participate in pretty much daily, i'm often >trolling for new vst/directx plugins to play with, >reading/listening/viewing new stuff all the time (and i get >horribly distracted doing this, most recently i was looking for >somewhere local to buy arrows, took a tangent to a traditional >archery resource site, followed a dozen links on mongolian >composite bow use and construction, and finally pulled myself >away from some fascinating sites on mongolian history and >musical instruments a few hours later. whew, what time is it? >;-), trying to find old dr. who episodes, and playing with >sundry software media toys and 3d/virtual-terrain/fractal fun >stuff. i'm a network/systems engineer by day, easily distracted >by night. > >mike > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dean Stiglitz" >To: ; > >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:20 PM >Subject: re[2]: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > > >> i often set the tv up in the studio (i like bad tv...i think >v.i.p. is the best show on tv), and route the audio through the >machines...there is nothing like watching the news with the >audio running through the vocoder (with a drum machine in the >other input) and/or a sequenced analog filter...add a little >reverb and a drum machine, and the news is rockin! >> >> deknow > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16937; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:32:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQJPI783Ow2fd+2y13tz9jHOvMThQIVAMb/0F46yOfFc9Xa3Ob5/VOPHEKZ From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:31:46 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control Message-ID: <27990-3C87F862-220@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Hedewa7@aol.com's message of Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:32:55 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heres another one for ya Mr. Dave. dt/paddedcell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:39:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17427; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:38:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:38:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:37:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 23:37:35.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F7AD590:01C1C631] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. We had some fun & I learned some stuff too…. >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:15:28 -0800 > > >Too bad, though you must admit, the early nineties were a whole lot of fun, >as long as you were in on the joke. Sometimes I wish I had made out like >the pubescent robber barons I worked for, but then I remember that I would >probably be bankrupt like them now too :> > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Louis Rossi" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:02 PM >Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > > > > I work for a failing Dotcom. > > Oops, there seems to be some redundancy to that statement :P > > > > > > > > >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > > >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:49:13 -0800 > > > > > > > > >I run a internal video production studio for a silicon valley company. >Dry, > > >boring industrial video type stuff. > > > > > >Jonathan > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:50:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18010; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:49:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:49:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.da24d2e.29b9566a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:48:58 EST Subject: Re: Bass Loopers/CaliTour/JamManUpgrade etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <0vU1CD.A.QYE.Wy_h8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, In a message dated 3/7/02 2:17:05 PM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: >and Andre (whose duet CD is all that has been claimed... >stunningly beautiful! I really cannot stop listening to >it...except maybe to listen to a little bit of Ted's CD... >then back to Andre's..then back to Ted's...hmmm maybe >I should just make a loop of the both them?) Aaww. You're embarrassing me man. Andre is terrific. I'm not even in the same league. I gladly would have stepped aside at Loopstock for the privilege of hearing him play instead. But . . . thanks for the kind words. It's really terrific to receive the praise of such a comparison (even if I don't feel deserve it). It's nice to find such appreciative victims . . . er . . . I mean . . . fans. :-) Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 18:51:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18109; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:50:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:50:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Fw: NY LOOP Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:55:25 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c63b$eebfc580$8d6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello one and all - i'll be doing my aggressive looping this Sat. March 3, 2002 at Chama in the LES. i'm planning on using a Digitech delay and EDP to give earloads of Snowflaking fun. so if you come by, do say hello. i look a lot like my name, so i'll be easy to spot. check 'er for info: http://www.loopny.com/ best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 19:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19843; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:59:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:59:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C87FED9.8617AB85@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:59:25 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick Preamp: would it work with sitar? References: <012601c1c628$b2b6cb00$dfb7e83f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Would you have any idea if I could use it for my sitar? I don't know > much about chapman stick but guess that it could be somewhat in the > same range. I am currently looking for pickups and preamp. on my electified sitar i like using a trace elliot acoustic eq into a trace elliot acoustic preamp. the sans amp acoustic di or bass driver di work nice too bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 19:17:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20616; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:11:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:11:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: NY LOOP Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:16:38 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c63e$e5e13c20$8d6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6uOodB.A.sAF.NGAi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: Pedro Felix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: Fw: NY LOOP >hello one and all - > >i'll be doing my aggressive looping this Sat. March 9, 2002 at Chama in the >LES. i'm planning on using a Digitech delay and EDP to give earloads of >Snowflaking fun. so if you come by, do say hello. i look a lot like my name, >so i'll be easy to spot. > >check 'er for info: http://www.loopny.com/ > >best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > >see corrected date i've gotta stop living in the past. actually and in addition i'll have a few cd's of my own music on Sat. i'm real big on swapping art and such, so if you come by i'll have copies of SONIC Snowflakes for trades and some copies of D3 and something newer called Existension for sale or other. br, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 19:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23375; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:52:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:52:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022d01c1c63b$ef53c820$53391843@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <200203061804.NAA10061@hemlock.violacea.com> <00db01c1c519$c64eecc0$f264f93f@global> Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:14:07 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 00:50:43.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[466FB2A0:01C1C63B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I don't like to toot my own horn, I've been doing bass and cello compositions with looping for the last ten years (first with tape, now digital). You can check out my stuff at my website: http://www.intonarumori.com I'm currently finishing up my second full-length CD that is going to be released by Unit Circle this summer... Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 20:07:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25818; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:07:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <48.7b97793.29b9686a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:05:46 EST Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <_1cNYD.A.BRG.d6Ai8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dtrenk wrote, >and >had the pleasure having BRad stay at my house when he was in town >with a different band. a very sweet guy, too. used to give my (oldest) son bass lessons! (i produced the 3lb universe disc --- brad, matt, wes martin & adam widoff, whichall was just pre-critters.....) best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 20:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26452; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:19:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:19:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C881108.54B8FC3@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:16:57 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Here we go References: <86.1784c51b.29b92c01@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, folks, believe me, I'm getting just as sick of me posting here as you all are, no doubt. I'll try to make this the last one for a spell. This just in: the weekend of the 22nd, or at least that Friday, is booked up for me, and there are tentative plans for that Saturday as well. So: Hans, Max? Let's do something in SLO for the late week of the 28th, if that's still open at the Sweet Springs Saloon for the Thursday Hans mentioned. If a Friday could be arranged as well, so much the better. If nothing else, I'm down with swinging up there on my own for a one-off gig, though it'd be great to have Max along too. It's possible that Eric Oberthaler will be available, so my slot on a gig(s) in SLO could be a duo show instead; I'll check with him on that ASAP. Zvonar said he's in LA for the 30th, so getting him in on things this time around might be a challenge, if it happens that weekend. Hans or Max, you wanna try his cell just in case? If a Kim/Matthias clinic happens on the 30th of this month, Max and I could swing on up to Oakland from SLO. If it happens later than the 30th, then I guess my car will see a bit more of this lovely state than I did last year. Worst case scenario is that I'll head back to LA the following day after a gig or two in SLO, which is a darn good worst case scenario. A house concert OTHER THAN the Aurisis clinic might be a good gig option, if/when Max and I hit the Bay Area post-SLO show. Any area listers who might be up for that, feel free to give a holler this-a way. Hans and Max, feel free to give a call if need be, and let me know what I need to do/who I need to talk to in order to help facilitate things. Don't go and do anything that I could do instead! And thanks once again for your willingness to help out in any capacity. Heeeeere we go..... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 20:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26870; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:22:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:22:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:21:18 EST Subject: Re: GIGSPAM: more on my d-cell performance: 3/11: kcrw.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <_Cn4EC.A.MiG.2IBi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dtrenk, >Man, sounds like a terrific lineup! tim just called; he can't make it. >I've been a fan of Berne's for >years, ever since the "Fulton Street Maul" lp slipped out on >Columbia, and Torn and Berne together is almost unbelievable. really? we play together a few times per year; he's truly a dear friend. i produced his cd, 'the shell game' (2001, for thirsty ear) and 'science friction' (TBR 4/2002, for screwgun)..... and we have a trio w/craig taborn already recorded, but as yet unmixed..... >Any >plans to record this group "officially"? we'll see; 'tis a shame that tim can't make monday's performance. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 20:33:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27392; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:27:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:27:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.7b8ca15.29b96d34@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:26:12 EST Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: >but that's just me... i think that was my point..... >i still advocate chucking the tv, though ; ) well, truth is: we didn't have tv until my folks came to visit us, once, when our kids were already well-sprouted: the parents couldn't handle *visiting* us w/o a tv, so they brought us a cheapie as a 'housewarming present'..... but: it has never impeded my concentration, nor my workflow..... at all. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 20:34:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27734; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:33:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:33:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6.25259382.29b96ebe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:32:46 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock aftershock - gestural control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes: >dt/paddedcell ..... too close to home. dt / flatter-gel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 20:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27991; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:36:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:36:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:35:48 -0500 (EST) From: Sean Conkling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about In-Reply-To: <48.7b97793.29b9686a@aol.com> Message-ID: <20020307203406.B15614-100000@wilma.widomaker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Sean Conkling Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just curious with all this talk of bass loopers, does any one have a copy of the band DOS ( kira from black flag and Mike Watt ) not bass looping, but was hoping some one has a copy or knows where to find one ? seAN We shall play this one note for 27 minutes and call it " the wall " "You can't teach a drum machine how to improv..." For me, love must be ugly, looks must be devine and death must be beautiful. - Dali From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 20:37:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28137; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:36:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:36:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <43.7b99117.29b96f6f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:35:43 EST Subject: Re: Fw: NY LOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: >i look a lot like my name ..... as short as ten letters, w/a feline mien & disposition? 8-) dt / ms. mannersquelch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 20:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28576; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:43:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c1c642$984cdd80$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020307203406.B15614-100000@wilma.widomaker.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.hootpage.com/hoot_dos.html Try Amoeba records, Destroy All Music, or Rockaway Records all in the L.A. area- C -----Original Message----- From: Sean Conkling [mailto:sorin@widomaker.com] On Behalf Of Sean Conkling Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Just curious with all this talk of bass loopers, does any one have a copy of the band DOS ( kira from black flag and Mike Watt ) not bass looping, but was hoping some one has a copy or knows where to find one ? seAN We shall play this one note for 27 minutes and call it " the wall " "You can't teach a drum machine how to improv..." For me, love must be ugly, looks must be devine and death must be beautiful. - Dali From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 21:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30747; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:07:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:07:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:06:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 02:06:14.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[D38582F0:01C1C645] Resent-Message-ID: <6Ioi4B.A.-fH.1yBi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine were stolen by an ex roomate about 9 years ago. Thanks for reminding me! :( -p >From: Sean Conkling >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:35:48 -0500 (EST) > >Just curious with all this talk of bass loopers, does any one have a copy >of the band DOS ( kira from black flag and Mike Watt ) not bass looping, >but was hoping some one has a copy or knows where to find one ? > > > >seAN > > >We shall play this one note for 27 minutes and call it " the wall " > >"You can't teach a drum machine how to improv..." > > >For me, love must be ugly, looks must be devine and death must be >beautiful. > > - Dali > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 21:10:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31073; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:09:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:09:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:59:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <003101c1c62c$97894160$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-T6o6C.A.PkH.W1Bi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Clifford That's my gig too! I was shy about sharing, but now I have to. I'm solo self employed with home office. I do real estate appraisal in Portland. Been managing to do this since '92 out of my house. It is fun and satisfying to the ethnologist in me to get into folks' houses and see how people live.. And I can listen and play all the time no problemo (some of my best looping has been on 'coffebreaks'). Been married 15 yrs with a 12 yr old daughter and have 1/2 acre with a great garden and greenhouse. Basement home studio next door to my little office where I schiz out between looping, Macking (Metasynth, Logic, Live, Reason, etc) and songwriting--working on 'traditional' song tracks with my bassist & drummer partners. I find Internet and reading to be more of a distraction than TV. But within each media choices have to be made, its worth it to get cable modem and this list is one of the highlights, and on TV I find its worth it to get HBO: Six Feet Under is one of the best shows around, up to par with better movies I've seen lately. No newspaper though...New Yorker & Tape Op yes. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > > > I roam the streets searching for better eye-dope- and Puffin dance in my > cardboard box dreams..... > > ....then I wake up and go 1.3 miles to a small real estate > appraisal office, > plug em into the computer and print em out while listening to the > many gigs > of audio I have stuffed on all the hard drives. I look forward to leaving > every day- but 9-3 ain't bad and me and the hip jewish guys I > work for love > to bust jokes on one another most of the time- the festivities never end. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 21:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31366; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:11:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:11:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Fw: NY LOOP Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:16:36 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c64f$a804fde0$8d6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snipzz~ -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: NY LOOP >PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: > >>i look a lot like my name >..... as short as ten letters, w/a feline mien & disposition? >8-) >dt / ms. mannersquelch > yar! Pedro wha cha think bout my sounds? did ya get a good giggle? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 21:12:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31520; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:12:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:12:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:11:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a last minute notice-- I'm appearing at 8 pm (tonight!) at the Waterfront on Kettner in San Diego (delicious steaks--call for reservations) in a duo with Tim Cook (pedal steel, bass guitar and trombone--Country Dick Montana named him "SteelBone") using the new EDP (so I don't have to break the old one out of the rack) to loop Acoustic Guitar (Taylor 410). LD shirt gets you a free beer. Bring ax and jam (toast will be provided). Sorry about short notice, but I just got the call. Second time there--last time no one objected to the looping--it was Tim I was worried about, and he said it was fine (He won't let me bring a drum machine, so a bit of a Luddite there). I would like to reiterate that when the date for Kim and Matthias' show is announced, I will immediately make arrangements to be there--and that ain't no jive. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 22:46:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04212; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:45:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:45:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.7b95fad.29b98d8c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:44:12 EST Subject: Re: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/7/2002 7:11:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net writes: << Country Dick Montana >> I miss him....happy boy that he was... former SD resident b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 22:48:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04444; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:47:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:47:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c1c621$c3e01eb0$3cf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5a.7b8ca15.29b96d34@aol.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:48:04 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "*visiting* us w/o a tv" - funny, whenever the holidays roll around and we accumulate at one family member's house, everyone eventually ends up in front of the tv...usually this motion is lead by the men. "it has never impeded my concentration, nor my workflow" this is the issue in a nutshell...and that, i believe, was my point. as long as it doesn't get in YOUR way. it always seemed to get in mine. with respect, jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 23:34:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07573; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:32:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:32:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:32:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 04:32:05.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[33A2D430:01C1C65A] Resent-Message-ID: <1fWTRD.A.31B.l7Di8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. I can't hear "Big Rock Candy Mountain" without thinking of his version. He was indeed a great loss. -another former SD resident >From: Loopbozo@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:44:12 EST > >In a message dated 3/7/2002 7:11:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, >healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net writes: > ><< Country Dick Montana >> >I miss him....happy boy that he was... > > former SD resident > b.helm > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 7 23:47:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08149; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:42:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:42:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C884220.1654C949@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:57:45 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Bowing: a national loop? References: <200203071535.KAA32028@hemlock.violacea.com> <009401c1c5bf$bc5e3300$7c63f93f@global> <003701c1c62c$ab03d3e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Clifford Novey wrote: > What are crotales? > > c > crunchy mexican appetizer stuffed with jalapeno peppers... makes a big mess of the bow, but goes alright with rosin and a cold cerveza. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 00:00:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09977; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:59:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:59:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C884643.9A75096F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:15:28 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about References: <20020307203406.B15614-100000@wilma.widomaker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean Conkling wrote: > Just curious with all this talk of bass loopers, does any one have a copy > of the band DOS ( kira from black flag and Mike Watt ) not bass looping, > but was hoping some one has a copy or knows where to find one ? > > seAN > nice disc. esp. the instrumental version of "drove up from pedro" (not to be confused with our cat from ny :o) lance g. np: m. watt / ball-hog or tugboat? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 00:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10484; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:10:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:10:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:12:03 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: band DOS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003d01c1c65f$cb0352f0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000401c1c642$984cdd80$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When all else fails, try http://www.gemm.com This turned up Vinyl and Cassette copies: http://www.gemm.com/c/search.pl?sid=9911310&key=12821&disp_ad_format_mode=0& artist=DOS&title=DOS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Om_Audio" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about > http://www.hootpage.com/hoot_dos.html > > Try Amoeba records, Destroy All Music, or Rockaway Records all in the > L.A. area- C > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Conkling [mailto:sorin@widomaker.com] On Behalf Of Sean > Conkling > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about > > Just curious with all this talk of bass loopers, does any one have a > copy > of the band DOS ( kira from black flag and Mike Watt ) not bass looping, > but was hoping some one has a copy or knows where to find one ? > > > > seAN > > > We shall play this one note for 27 minutes and call it " the wall " > > "You can't teach a drum machine how to improv..." > > > For me, love must be ugly, looks must be devine and death must be > beautiful. > > - Dali > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 00:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10674; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:11:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:13:41 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: 3lb universe disc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004c01c1c660$05e13590$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <48.7b97793.29b9686a@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love to hear that, but it seems to be out-of-print and impossible to find ... > (i produced the 3lb universe disc --- brad, matt, wes martin & adam widoff, > whichall was just pre-critters.....) > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 00:27:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11346; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:26:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:28:22 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007f01c1c662$109242c0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020307210700.49244.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> <012901c1c626$f0909a70$1f64a8c0@billscomp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd have to disagree ... at least on the "live" aspects of Jungle Funk ... although their CDs were disappointing, I thought their live shows were great.. I happen to catch them twice in 1998 with a bunch of friends and we all were very inspired by these shows (also Will Lee and T.M. Steven were in the audience) ... in fact, after I figured out they had Lexicon Jammen in their racks, searching for more info on this gear lead me to join this list ... and I ended buying a Jamman and an EDP as a result. Also, seeing Doug's great use of effects made me want to experiment with effects again after being told by other musicians for years that "effects just are not for bass" ... Plus, how often do you get to see (4) Korg Wavedrums on one stage ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Doug Wimbush/Tackhead > At 4:25 PM -0600 3/7/2002, Bill Cummings wrote: > >Agreed > > I definitely think "Jungle Funk" is not one of the high points of > Wimbush's career. One some levels, you really can't fault the > performances, especially with all the looping that they did (it was > pretty amazing that it was live, although there were obviously some > backing tracks). But basically, the material was pretty weak. Yet > more proof that content is more important than technique. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 01:22:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14653; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 01:21:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 01:21:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <068501c1c668$f803c6a0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Subject: SLO and Looping? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:17:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know what it is, but I checked the local entertainment weekly today, and looping must be the next big thing here in San Luis Obispo. Between now and Tuesday night, there will be as many as four separate loop performances within a one-block radius! Three of those are on Friday night: Dutch Randall at Linnaea's Cafe, armatronix (me) at the Frog and Peach Pub, and Netwerk: Electric (I believe I that they do some looping) at Mother's Tavern. On Tuesday night, hippie loopster Keller Williams plays a show at SLO Brew (for $16 a head - who's his management?). Then there was Loopstock last weekend, and now I hear rumors that there may be a couple more looping gigs featuring LD members on the 28th and 29th. What the heck's going on around here, and why does SLO suddenly seem to be the center of the looping universe? -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 02:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29518; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:23:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:23:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020308072349.15694@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: ysh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:23:48 +0900 Subject: Re: 3lb universe disc In-Reply-To: <004c01c1c660$05e13590$0282c83f@kinesys1> References: <004c01c1c660$05e13590$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ARENA Internet Mailer 2.1.1 PPC X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 3lb Universe album is definitely one of my all-time faves. Wonderful musicianship all around -- composition/arrangement, performance, engineering. After a colleague of my mine borrowed it then left the workplace 2 weeks later, I re-ordered my copy through artist-shop.com. The latest copy was from late last year, so I'd guess it's still available. The later copies I had sounded a tad different to my ears though, don't know why. I would love to hear more from this lineup... has Mr. Martin recorded any works since? -Yoshi Doug Lawrence: > >I'd love to hear that, but it seems to be out-of-print and impossible to >find ... > >> (i produced the 3lb universe disc --- brad, matt, wes martin & adam >widoff, >> whichall was just pre-critters.....) >> best, >> dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 02:56:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30559; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:56:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c1c676$afcd6a40$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:51:54 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It would seem the past two days that the only thing loopers do when they're not looping or working is reading LD! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 05:53:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07900; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:53:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:53:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:53:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9ns1bC.A.y6B.EgJi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'm back-- A rainy night in San Diego--no trombone tonight, also no LD folks (that I could tell), which is probably fine, since there was roughly as much looping on this gig as on the one I slammed Stig about last year--less singing in tongues, however. Still, I was happy to implement looping as backup for solo and nobody seemed to know or care--a good thing? Anyway, the reason I waste bandwidth; on the way down to the gig, I listened to a compilation CD of Sam (Leslie) Phillips, and was reminded that one of the songs features a loop--it's from the album Omnipop, called Slapstick Heart, evidently an instrumental track she got from REM, and a very tasteful use of looping. I recommend the song (a lot of her stuff is good), and more to the point, wonder if anyone has a tale of how it came to given to her. The loop is mixed in and out, serving as a sort of glue, over various pedal points. Does any other REM stuff include loops? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 07:08:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13842; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:07:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:07:29 -0500 Subject: Re:Rick W and Robert Dick From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203071950.OAA21379@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <42ygtB.A.SXD.hlKi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I highly recommend to anyone who can to go see this show -- Robert Dick is a unique and wonderful musician -- I did a concert with him in NY this February, and it was an incredible experience to play with him -- have fun, Rick! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 07:10:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14088; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:09:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:09:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 04:09:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: BASS LOOPERS to know about -> Eberhard Weber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, he is a real master! There is also Mich Gerber http://www.michgerber.ch/ who plucks, bows and hits his contrabass professionally into 4 EDPs, I wrote about before. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 07:11:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14295; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:10:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:10:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8d.14e6eff1.29b8a975@aol.com> References: <8d.14e6eff1.29b8a975@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 04:09:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Scratch - the movie / DJ sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > yes, I keep saying that I would like to play with a DJ that can send me a >> sync. >> I think there are players that analyze the sound and create that >> clock, or how do they add drum samples so acurately to CDs? >> >> the two machines you mention have some "Beat Keeper" Sync, but do not >> seem to be MIDI... well, any clock would be fine for the EDP! >> -- >> > >Why not try BeatSyncing to their audio? >Perhaps with a bandpass filter to pick out a simple beat. > >andy butler hmm... I have done it from the computer... I may sometime have to adjust the filter when the sound changes... as long as there is a heavy bass drum its not a problem. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 07:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14384; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:10:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:10:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <022101c1c587$3838ade0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> References: <3C868103.1D185285@altruistmusic.com> <3C86C2EB.29F3EFD9@zerocrossing.net> <022101c1c587$3838ade0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 04:09:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, GarySHall@aol.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > A related idea is for Electronic Musician to have a special looping >> issue with a historical article (written by Gary Hall?), a product >> shootout, and profiles of prominent loopers. I'll be happy to help > > pitch the idea to Steve O. >That's a great idea, Dr. Z. I've seen bits and pieces about looping in EM. >I think I remember a feature recently on software loopers and one on David >Torn, but it seems like they could do a lot with an issue dedicated to >looping. Yes, there must be enough material arround. Equipment and music to write about. How about a report about Loopstock for a start, Gary? > >BTW, was Mr. O there on business, or just checking things out? I thought he >looked somehow familiar when I met him, and then when Ted mentioned him in >his Loopstock review, that caricature from Electronic musician popped into >my head. How cool that he was there, and what a nice guy! I'm glad I >didn't know who he was at the time. > -Hans -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 07:18:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14821; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:12:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:12:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C881108.54B8FC3@altruistmusic.com> References: <86.1784c51b.29b92c01@aol.com> <3C881108.54B8FC3@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 04:11:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Here we go Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com meninos, so many mails! I am still not through and feel I should say something. I am very pleased that there is so much enthusiasm and that friends want to include me in the program! I have a reservation on April 2 but it only means that I have to pay 100 $ if I want to change it. There is nothing in Brasil that pushes me back. So as long as I can be useful and sustain myself here, I want to stay and to it. Until then I am totally free, so it would be paradox if I would name days. The only moment I hope to be occupied is Sun 17, when Brahma Kumaris do the World Peace Meditation that I play for monthly in Salvador for 3 years. Maybe some of you may be interested in living this, since its a very concrete application of the music I am into for years. I like to try out all kinds of music like on Saturday, but what I am really experienced in is the more subtle sound tracks... Maybe some of you can indicate other groups that are open to support their rituals and speeches with live music... There are distinct proposals that can all turn out brilliant, but I dont know, because I dont know the places and possible public and so on. Does the population of SLO talk so much about our meeting that the space will be packed this time? ;-) I like Ricks post because there are a lot of names in it and he must be a good reference there, so... I was thinking about doing the thing here at Kim during the weekend 23/24 He thought rather of a concert, me rather of a workshop. It could be both... He thinks it could have continuity. I suggest that regularly, two loopers meet and find a way to hook up their equipment and make it go along. That would be an interesting challenge for the public to watch and a way to come out of solitude. I observe that even old EDP users are not aware of handy tricks. It must be difficult to find which ones are really important for our music and remember them - maybe similar to the keyboard shortcuts on computers: you mainly learn them from looking at others hands, not from the manual, no? So I thought I wanted to show and explain how we figured that people could use our functions. And I could observe players and indicate where something is not as fluent as it could be. Since I dont have the right to work here, this could be on a voluntary contribution bases. Yes, sure, I could do a lousy video and sell it for much, but it would be more isolation for me and you... after all I feel that the number of mails today reflect the fact that we met physically on the weekend, no? So yes, whatever is possible should be started. The sooner it starts, the further we get! Thank you! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 07:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15164; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:17:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:17:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02e601c1c636$f0594380$a963f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "Steve Sandberg" , References: Subject: Re: Re:Rick W and Robert Dick Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:19:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Steve, I was blown away by him last year when I hear him concertize and then had the honor of sitting in with him for three improvs. When he asked me to do an electronica based duet record with him, I was really flattered and excited. I"ll let you know how it turns out. yours, Rick (what do you play, btw?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 4:07 AM Subject: Re:Rick W and Robert Dick > I highly recommend to anyone who can to go see this show -- > Robert Dick is a unique and wonderful musician -- > I did a concert with him in NY this February, and it was an incredible > experience to play with him -- > have fun, Rick! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 07:22:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15456; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:21:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02ed01c1c637$6b2e9380$a963f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203081211.HAA14587@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: BASS BOWING/definition of CROTALES Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:23:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <6Mb_G.A.qwD.uyKi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Crotales are small concert tuned heavy brass discs (they almost sound like sine waves) that are about 4" - 6" across................I have a two octave set................they are exquisite when bowed (or struck). They are NOT crunchy mexican american food stuffs......................LOL Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 07:47:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16802; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <068501c1c668$f803c6a0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> References: <068501c1c668$f803c6a0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 04:46:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SLO and Looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5aqovC.A.LFE.uKLi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't know what it is, but I checked the local entertainment weekly today, >and looping must be the next big thing here in San Luis Obispo. Between now >and Tuesday night, there will be as many as four separate loop performances >within a one-block radius! Three of those are on Friday night: Dutch >Randall at Linnaea's Cafe, armatronix (me) at the Frog and Peach Pub, and >Netwerk: Electric (I believe I that they do some looping) at Mother's >Tavern. On Tuesday night, hippie loopster Keller Williams plays a show at >SLO Brew (for $16 a head - who's his management?). Then there was Loopstock >last weekend, and now I hear rumors that there may be a couple more looping >gigs featuring LD members on the 28th and 29th. What the heck's going on >around here, and why does SLO suddenly seem to be the center of the looping >universe? > >-Hans maybe a subterranean river loops arround the city? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 08:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19420; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:14:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:14:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C88B936.D8F2190B@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:14:31 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Bowing: a national loop? References: <200203071535.KAA32028@hemlock.violacea.com> <009401c1c5bf$bc5e3300$7c63f93f@global> <003701c1c62c$ab03d3e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What are crotales? a set of flat tuned bells that range from 2" to 4" in diameter & about 1/4" thick. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 09:54:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26044; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:53:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:53:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: Scratch - the movie/DJ's and Echoplexes Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:47:49 -0500 Message-ID: <00ec01c1c6b0$38c3bbe0$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020307094406.044f5690@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, Thanks for the positive response, Do you have any recordings available to hear you do it? I'll notify the list when I post it for download. You've inspired me to put something demonstrative together. and is there some place we can go see you do it live? Not yet, I just moved from the CA Bay Area (Palo Alto) to Northern VA (Fairfax area), and haven't gotten into the local scene enough to make contacts with anyone who would know where to advise one to go on such matters. I would really enjoy that. <--Thanks, so would I. I've heard of dj radar before, and was fascinated. he even plays turntable for an orchestra piece, and developed a system of notation for scratching right? <--Yes he did, he didn't really develop it, as it's just a modification of staff notation, like you would see for a percussionist, since his arguement is that the turntable is a single note instrument, and can be viewed similarly to a drum or other single-note instrument. Therefore, by annotating the types of scratch technique with prescribed symbols, and usually, a lot of 32nd and 64th notes, you are able to articulate the idea or structure. However, I wish he would actually mention the fact that what he uses is not a "customized sampler" with no name, but a "looper" that happens to be an EDP. (I have no idea what he customized on it, probably just audio routing or added phono inputs or something.) <--I agree with you, it was hard to figure out what he was using when I've seen him, he keeps it taped up with black electrical tape. A looper is not the same as a sampler and one doesn't really substitute for the other. I suspect he might just be frustrating other dj's who want to try something like him, but do not know what device to get. If they try to get a sampler it won't work and they might give up. <--That's what keeps my echoplex in business is the fact that you can overdub and undo all to your hearts content. The Mute-Insert combination is what we call ReTrigger. Press Mute. Then press Insert to come out of Mute. This triggers the loop from the beginning to play once and then mute again. It also lets you retrigger, so if you press Insert repeatedly at that point you will get your stutter effect. There is a similar feature using the BeatSync. with the sync parameter set to In, you press Mute and the Multiply. This arms the loop to wait for a trigger on the BeatSync. This can be something like a momentary footswitch, or a pulse output, or even a strong audio pulse. It will trigger and retrigger the loop the same as Mute-Insert does from the front panel. In the next software we are adding some additional midi commands to do retriggers at any time. <--Thanks again for the fantastic advice, you've just made my world loads easier and more fun! D -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Scratch - the movie/DJ's and Echoplexes At 09:57 AM 3/6/2002, Dylan DeAnda wrote: >Here's how I use the turntables with the echoplex: hey Dylan, thanks for posting all of that, I found it really interesting! Do you have any recordings available to hear you do it? and is there some place we can go see you do it live? I would really enjoy that. I always thought that live looping would be completely natural for dj's to get into, I'm glad to see that happening more and more. >If any of this DJ/Sampler hoo ha sounds interesting, I would offer up some >of the better names of DJ's who use a sampler with natural proficiency: >DJ Radar (www.djradar.com) He works with 1 turntable, a mixer and an >echoplex and makes the most fantastic scratch based music as a one-man band. I've heard of dj radar before, and was fascinated. he even plays turntable for an orchestra piece, and developed a system of notation for scratching right? However, I wish he would actually mention the fact that what he uses is not a "customized sampler" with no name, but a "looper" that happens to be an EDP. (I have no idea what he customized on it, probably just audio routing or added phono inputs or something.) A looper is not the same as a sampler and one doesn't really substitute for the other. I suspect he might just be frustrating other dj's who want to try something like him, but do not know what device to get. If they try to get a sampler it won't work and they might give up. Seems to me he could do more to promote the idea among dj's by directing people to the idea of a "looper" instead of a mysterious sampler... >Things I wish I could do with my turntables and echoplex: >I wish I could stutter. I still haven't figured out how to do it with a >single plex. The Mute-Insert combination is what we call ReTrigger. Press Mute. Then press Insert to come out of Mute. This triggers the loop from the beginning to play once and then mute again. It also lets you retrigger, so if you press Insert repeatedly at that point you will get your stutter effect. There is a similar feature using the BeatSync. with the sync parameter set to In, you press Mute and the Multiply. This arms the loop to wait for a trigger on the BeatSync. This can be something like a momentary footswitch, or a pulse output, or even a strong audio pulse. It will trigger and retrigger the loop the same as Mute-Insert does from the front panel. In the next software we are adding some additional midi commands to do retriggers at any time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 10:52:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29915; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:50:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:50:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:49:44 -0500 To: Tom Ritchford From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 3/9: open loop continues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we continue our splendid loopy fun with open loop, the place for live looping every Saturday afternoon from 1pm to 7pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d for more info, http://loopNY.com. this week, we anticipate Pedro Felix a rescheduled Kid Lucky other random guests as usual and the usual loop NY crewe: Stv Jns Tom Ritchford Lena Strayhorn come, loop or listen, and relax at Chama! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 11:33:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00709; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:32:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:32:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:31:55 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <086601c1c6be$c397dcc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020307203406.B15614-100000@wilma.widomaker.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "You can't teach a drum machine how to improv..." don't be too sure about that. i intend to do this very thing one of these days... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 11:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01665; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:46:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:46:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:46:29 -0800 Subject: Laurie Anderson in Berkeley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <09E32802-32B4-11D6-8F20-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com She often uses looping in her music, but I can't say for sure. She's always a great show though. If you're in the SF area... http://www.laurieanderson.com/tour.html I'm not sure if she's sold out or not, but if not she's for sure worth it. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 12:11:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04006; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:10:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:10:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:00:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <086601c1c6be$c397dcc0$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wasn't there the Oberheim Drummer that kinda did that? NG > > "You can't teach a drum machine how to improv..." > > don't be too sure about that. > i intend to do this very thing one of these days... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 12:23:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04710; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:22:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:22:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tape Recorder show in San Francisco Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:21:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 17:21:47.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9E4C880:01C1C6C5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be performing with my "Tape Recorder" project as part of a show tonight called "Syntax Error". Other audio artists featured include Ryan Ludlow and Brian Traylor There will be video work by John Rodgers, Matt Woods, Carl Deihl, Todd Bever, Brian Traylor, Ryan Ludlow and Skyler Adamson. "Tape Recorder" is a field recording project. I've been carrying a recorder with me for the last 2 years, collecting all sorts of sounds. I'll be using 3 similar hand-held recorders to blend these sounds together musically. I sure wish I could tell you about the other artists, but this will be my first time encountering most of them. I believe that they will be along the lines of experimental/concrete/noise music. 8:00 pm, tonight (Friday the 8th) Artists Television Access Valencia Street @ 21st. I believe the cost is around $5 Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 13:02:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07582; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:01:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:01:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B0A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:00:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6CB.256DFB30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6CB.256DFB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" also no LD folks (that I could tell), which is probably fine, since there was roughly as much looping on this gig as on the one I slammed Stig about last year-- ** well this brings up an interesting issue, or series of issues. how much looping does one need to have on a "looping gig"? is it 100%, 80%, 70%, 50%? if one is doing improv and the spirit of the evening drives one away from doing 70% or more looping, does it make it a non-looping gig? a follow-up would be what's more important, the amount of looping or following the music? (in other words, does the technique drive the gig or the music?) i've had a few people ask me if i was going to go to one of the looping fests and play. my response i both cases was taht i wasn't sure that i would be doing enough looping to "qualify" . . . depending on what moved me that night, i might not pass the litmus test of having enough looping content, or that the way id o it would be considered appropriate. just wondering, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6CB.256DFB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego

also no LD folks (that I could tell), which is probably f= ine, since there was roughly as much looping
on this gig as on the one I slammed Stig about last year= --


** well this brings up an interesting issue, or series of= issues. how much looping does one need to have on a "looping gig"= ;?

is it 100%, 80%, 70%, 50%?

if one is doing improv and the spirit of the evening driv= es one away from doing 70% or more looping, does it make it a non-looping g= ig? a follow-up would be what's more important, the amount of looping or fo= llowing the music? (in other words, does the technique drive the gig or the= music?)

i've had a few people ask me if i was going to go to one = of the looping fests and play. my response i both cases was taht i wasn't s= ure that i would be doing enough looping to "qualify" . . . depen= ding on what moved me that night, i might not pass the litmus test of havin= g enough looping content, or that the way id o it would be considered appro= priate.

just wondering,

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6CB.256DFB30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 13:09:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07953; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:08:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:08:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.d746b59.29ba57ba@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:06:50 EST Subject: Testing...testing...1...2...3...is this thing on? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Ted Killian Here. For some reason (which I still don't quite understand) I got bumped off the LD subscription list late last night (I was already in bed). I got some long message this morning about generating "excessive bounced e-mail messages" which didn't make too much sense to me. It was attached to a reply I'd made to Richard Zvonar 3 or 4 days ago (to which he had made subsequent replies to me). Go figure. Oh well. I don't understand these things very well so I am re-subscribing using one of my other AOL account names (this one is my "publisher" name with ASCAP, ArsOcarina@aol.com). I have another one for my ad business too, KillianCreative@aol.com. But Killinfo@aol.com was sort of the "Killian" family account name. The wife, the kids, me, everybody used it. If we had a dog or cat even they would have used it. Oh well. Now I will have a special mailbox that is just for music-, LD- and ASCAP-related messages. I've been KILLINFO on the LD list since 1996. I guess it's time for a change. I talked to the AOL support staff and got no help there (surprise, surprise). I also wrote to Kim (who is obviously a busy guy and is very easily forgiven for not replying). I find it curious that I have become so addicted to the goings on of this discussion list that I simply couldn't do without it for a few hours. I simply HAD to resubscribe, to get connected back up again. Mybe this is evidence of a more serious problem. Perhaps I sould check into some rehab clinic or 12-step program. Anybody know of one? Is it online? Where do I subscribe? [:-)> Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 13:51:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09961; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:50:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:50:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B0A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B0A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:58:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >** well this brings up an interesting issue, or series of issues. >how much looping does one need to have on a "looping gig"? > >is it 100%, 80%, 70%, 50%? > >if one is doing improv and the spirit of the evening drives one away >from doing 70% or more looping, does it make it a non-looping gig? a >follow-up would be what's more important, the amount of looping or >following the music? (in other words, does the technique drive the >gig or the music?) > >i've had a few people ask me if i was going to go to one of the >looping fests and play. my response i both cases was taht i wasn't >sure that i would be doing enough looping to "qualify" . . . >depending on what moved me that night, i might not pass the litmus >test of having enough looping content, or that the way id o it would >be considered appropriate. > I've had similar feelings about the term "looping music" myself. I use loopers extensively, I currently have a boomerang, a jamman, a dl-4, and a repeater on the way. But I don't do music that depends on looping, necessarily. The loopers are just some of many, some'd probably say too many :-), tools that I use for music. Because I use a butter knife as a bow on my bass, do I play utensil music? What if I use alligator clips? Does that mean I play stoner music?:-) If a looper loops loops with a looper, how many loops does looper have to loop to be a looper? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 14:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12350; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:12:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:12:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c1c6d4$fbea7ea0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B0A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:10:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Max looping with multiple alligator clips in SLO- but they had plastic sleeves that were not the least bit melted or resinated so I'm not sure if your theory holds true there- Rich and I discussed this before the show- and I felt strongly that yes it would be expected there be some type of looping but that there are no real guidelines or quotas- some utilize looping overtly and obviously and others in a more subtle way- the piece we did involved creating a lot of textures and spaces and didn't really sound like looping in the sense that it may have been hard to identify the looped phrase- I would hate to feel obligated in any way and I don't think anyone here expects that- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego > > > >** well this brings up an interesting issue, or series of issues. > >how much looping does one need to have on a "looping gig"? > > > >is it 100%, 80%, 70%, 50%? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 14:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12702; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:18:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:18:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B08@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:43:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6C8.C0276290" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6C8.C0276290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** doesn't ikue mori (spelling?) do improv using a drum machine or more? haven't heard her do it, but i've read about it. stig > "You can't teach a drum machine how to improv..." ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6C8.C0276290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about

** doesn't ikue mori (spelling?) do improv using a = drum machine or more? haven't heard her do it, but i've read about = it.

stig


> "You can't teach a drum machine how to = improv..."



------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6C8.C0276290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 14:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12957; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:19:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:19:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.174.185.114] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:18:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 19:19:00.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[19D0A650:01C1C6D6] Resent-Message-ID: <-CUVFD.A._ID.C7Qi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes. Here's the URL: http://www.gibson.com/products/oberheim/ob5.html It's possible Jim is thinking of using Max (now a Cycling74.com product) or some other programming solution for interactive electronic music. I know a guy (brilliant fellow, btw) who preferred Forth for that sort of thing. Can probably also be done using a Korg KARMA, thus eliminating the need for a computer, but the KARMA function requires user input via MIDI or the keyboard and its onboard controls before it'll generate its own thang, whereas the aforementioned fellow's Forth programs can truly improvise music on their own, with OR without input from a human. Paolo >Wasn't there the Oberheim Drummer that kinda did that? > > >NG > > > > "You can't teach a drum machine how to improv..." > > > > don't be too sure about that. > > i intend to do this very thing one of these days... > > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 14:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13549; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:26:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.174.185.114] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: BASS LOOPERS to know about Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:25:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 19:25:31.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[02D004E0:01C1C6D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a couple of CDs of hers (wonderful ones, btw) but its unclear from the liner notes whether she plays her drum machine(s) like, say, Tom would play his Zendrum, or whether she uses it(them) differently. Paolo >** doesn't ikue mori (spelling?) do improv using a drum machine or more? >haven't heard her do it, but i've read about it. > >stig > > > > "You can't teach a drum machine how to improv..." > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 14:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14037; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:31:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:31:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: Laurie Anderson in Berkeley Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:30:21 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04088C8F@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <09E32802-32B4-11D6-8F20-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 19:30:23.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0E4FDB0:01C1C6D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just saw in Seattle 2 weeks ago and there was a single Line6 DL4 under her mixing/keyboard table -- I don't specifically recall her using it however. The most memerable moment of any Laurie Anderson show I've seen came during this tour where she made rather stunning use of silence. Perhaps she was looping it... > -----Original Message----- > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Laurie Anderson in Berkeley > > > She often uses looping in her music, but I can't say for sure. She's > always a great show though. If you're in the SF area... > http://www.laurieanderson.com/tour.html I'm not sure if she's sold out or not, but if not she's for sure worth it. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 14:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13713; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:26:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >** well this brings up an interesting issue, or series of issues. >how much looping does one need to have on a "looping gig"? Yeah, that is the question, and that is why I was on the lookout for LD folk so I could lean on looping if someone was interested. My real desire is to have looping integrated so well that no one mentions it as separate from the performance, and that has been happening of late. It is also my intent of course to spread the gospel of the loop, somewhat contradictory goals I suppose, and I see gig spam as serving that purpose. And I was delighted to attend the Scot Ray gig with Nels doing looping, even tho the loop content was probably 3-5%. Last night I used the looping as backing for my solos, such that when Tim would play steel, I would play live, and when I knew it was going to be my turn to solo, I would record a chorus (either ending the loop at the beginning of my solo or ending the loop with mute so as to have it "in the can") to provide backing. Hardly the most inspired of uses for magic technology, but certainly suiting my needs. My question is, does that "qualify"? I don't really know myself . . . But in a solo setting, I would (oh gosh, and plan to) use the looping almost full time, so as to create the artifacts of a band experience (or whatever). Anybody else? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 14:47:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15131; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:46:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B0C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:26:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6D7.1902B280" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6D7.1902B280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rich and I discussed this before the show- and I felt strongly that yes it would be expected there be some type of looping but that there are no real guidelines or quotas- some utilize looping overtly and obviously and others in a more subtle way- the piece we did involved creating a lot of textures and spaces and didn't really sound like looping in the sense that it may have been hard to identify the looped phrase- I would hate to feel obligated in any way and I don't think anyone here expects that- ** well, i'm with you on that . . . but, as gary mentioned, he felt that there wasn't enough looping (or was unsure that there was "non-truth" in advertising) on his last-minute gig yesterday - - or on my gig those many moons ago. this precipitated my query. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6D7.1902B280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego

Rich and I discussed this before the show- and I felt = strongly that yes it
would be expected there be some type of looping but = that there are no real
guidelines or quotas- some utilize looping overtly = and obviously and others
in a more subtle way- the piece we did involved = creating a lot of textures
and spaces and didn't really sound like looping in = the sense that it may
have been hard to identify the looped phrase- I = would hate to feel obligated
in any way and I don't think anyone here expects = that-

** well, i'm with you on that . . . but, as gary = mentioned, he felt that there wasn't enough looping (or was unsure that = there was "non-truth" in advertising) on his last-minute gig = yesterday - - or on my gig those many moons ago. this precipitated my = query.

stig


------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C6D7.1902B280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 15:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17313; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:03:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:03:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c1c6dc$1f8e2a80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B0C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:02:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C1C699.0DAFB740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6lZ78B.A.8NE.ijRi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C1C699.0DAFB740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San DiegoBrain freeze- I guess I missed = that part in the original post- :p c ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Rich and I discussed this before the show- and I felt strongly that = yes it=20 would be expected there be some type of looping but that there are no = real=20 guidelines or quotas- some utilize looping overtly and obviously and = others=20 in a more subtle way- the piece we did involved creating a lot of = textures=20 and spaces and didn't really sound like looping in the sense that it = may=20 have been hard to identify the looped phrase- I would hate to feel = obligated=20 in any way and I don't think anyone here expects that-=20 ** well, i'm with you on that . . . but, as gary mentioned, he felt = that there wasn't enough looping (or was unsure that there was = "non-truth" in advertising) on his last-minute gig yesterday - - or on = my gig those many moons ago. this precipitated my query.=20 stig=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C1C699.0DAFB740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego
Brain freeze- I guess I missed that part in the = original post-=20 :p
 
c
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 = 11:26=20 AM
Subject: RE: Gig spam--in two = hours in=20 San Diego


Rich and I discussed this before the show- and I = felt strongly=20 that yes it
would be expected there be some = type of=20 looping but that there are no real
guidelines or=20 quotas- some utilize looping overtly and obviously and others =
in a more subtle way- the piece we did involved creating a = lot of=20 textures
and spaces and didn't really sound = like=20 looping in the sense that it may
have been = hard to=20 identify the looped phrase- I would hate to feel obligated =
in any way and I don't think anyone here expects that- =

** well, i'm with you on that . . . but, as gary = mentioned, he=20 felt that there wasn't enough looping (or was unsure that there was=20 "non-truth" in advertising) on his last-minute gig yesterday - - or on = my gig=20 those many moons ago. this precipitated my query.

stig


------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C1C699.0DAFB740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 15:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17521; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:03:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:03:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C891904.50E12E4F@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:03:16 -0500 From: "bob[noxious]" Reply-To: skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com Organization: bob[noxious] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Q: what do loopers do when they're not looping? A: Repeat the same FUCKING threads over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 15:42:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19567; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:41:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:41:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3C891904.50E12E4F@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:40:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 20:40:19.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[76421CB0:01C1C6E1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you don't like what people are talking about, post a few "unsubscribe me" messages to the list. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob[noxious]" To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > Q: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 16:12:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22235; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:11:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:11:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c1c6b3$86e22de0$13f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <3C891904.50E12E4F@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:11:29 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well...that was uncalled for, to say the least. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 18:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28836; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:07:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:07:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c1c691$a081c020$7461f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203081919.OAA12917@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: the FRONTMANULATOR and drum machines that improvise Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 03:08:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neil Goldstein wrote: "Wasn't there the Oberheim Drummer that kinda did that?" There might have been Neil, but nothing compared to the FRONTMANULATOR that I developed for EMU systems in the mid 1980's. They sampled my voice for this ground breaking piece of equipment that could interact with even the most unruly of audiences: "What a beautiful audience we have hear in ____" ____San Francisco ____ Boston ____New York ____Tehachipi etc. etc. "This next song is for the lovely ladies in the audience" "Please don't spill beer on the guitarists footpedals" "This is a loving tribute cover of ________" ________Abba ________the Beatles ________the Rolling Stones ________Lothar and the Hand People "Please put that gun down, sir, you've just had a little too much to drink" "We don't know Freebird, sorry, but you might enjoy this amusing Alvin and the Chipmunks number" and other appropriate phrases. It is too bad that EMU pulled the plug on this first interactive, sampling machine.................oh well. yours, Rick "Elvis has left the building" Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 18:22:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29632; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:21:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:21:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011a01c1c691$a081c020$7461f93f@global> References: <200203081919.OAA12917@hemlock.violacea.com> <011a01c1c691$a081c020$7461f93f@global> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:19:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: the FRONTMANULATOR and drum machines that improvise Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com celebrity deathmatch... Againinator vs. Frontmanulator! any bets? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 18:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30173; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:28:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:28:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c1c6f8$d6940b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <200203081919.OAA12917@hemlock.violacea.com> <011a01c1c691$a081c020$7461f93f@global> Subject: Re: the FRONTMANULATOR and drum machines that improvise Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:26:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I loop for humor. :) c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: the FRONTMANULATOR and drum machines that improvise > > Neil Goldstein wrote: > > "Wasn't there the Oberheim Drummer that kinda did that?" > > > There might have been Neil, but nothing compared to the FRONTMANULATOR that > I developed > for EMU systems in the mid 1980's. > > They sampled my voice for this ground breaking piece of equipment that could > interact with even the most > unruly of audiences: > > "What a beautiful audience we have hear in ____" > ____San Francisco > ____ Boston > ____New York > ____Tehachipi > etc. etc. > > "This next song is for the lovely ladies in the audience" > > "Please don't spill beer on the guitarists footpedals" > > "This is a loving tribute cover of ________" > ________Abba > ________the Beatles > ________the Rolling Stones > ________Lothar and the Hand People > > "Please put that gun down, sir, you've just had a little too much to drink" > > "We don't know Freebird, sorry, but you might enjoy this amusing Alvin and > the Chipmunks number" > > and other appropriate phrases. > > It is too bad that EMU pulled the plug on this first interactive, sampling > machine.................oh well. > > yours, Rick "Elvis has left the building" Walker > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 18:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30939; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:40:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:40:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <130.a97afb1.29baa5c8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:39:52 EST Subject: Re: the FRONTMANULATOR and drum machines that improvise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, heh. I should sample a few of those phrases and put 'em on my sampler for my next gig. Waddya think? Would it be a copyright infringement? In a message dated 3/8/02 3:06:49 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Rick "Elvis has left the building" Walker That reminds me of a very OT story. I have a 2nd cousin named Elvis (real name), who lives in Missouri. The funny part about this is that he is actually older than "The" Elvis we all know from popular culture would be if he was still alive. He's had to deal with this overshadowing popular figure all of his life. Elvis is his own real name. He wasn't named "after" anybody. Anyway, I first met him while visiting my ailing father in a hospital. Well, when Elvis' visit was up and it was time for him to go, what do you suppose he said. Yep. You guessed it. "Tell 'em Elvis has left the building!" It's funny to think of how this 80+ year old guy named "Elvis" had finally come to grips with his nemesis (the other Elvis). :-) Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 18:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31555; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:50:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:50:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.31.181] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SLO and Looping? Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 23:49:18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 23:49:18.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCB1B810:01C1C6FB] Resent-Message-ID: <59SPaD.A.nrH.d4Ui8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and now I hear rumors that there may be a couple more looping >gigs featuring LD members on the 28th and 29th. What the heck's going on >around here, and why does SLO suddenly seem to be the center of the looping >universe? > >-Hans ...well isn't that place called San Loopis Obispo???? Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 19:14:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01389; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:13:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:13:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mizuho@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:11:33 EST Subject: Jam Man Upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where and how do I get the new upgrade chip for the Jam Man? Thanks Bill Ruppert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 19:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02774; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:40:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:40:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:39:39 EST Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson in Berkeley To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plus she is a sweetheart of a person-I sell her a lot of gear! Very cool to deal with From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 20:32:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06491; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:31:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:31:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C896598.E2F8DDC5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:30:01 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson in Berkeley References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1BSttD.A.LjB.rWWi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com uh, woops, that's tomorrow (saturday the 9th) not tonight. JHKNICKS@aol.com wrote: > Plus she is a sweetheart of a person-I sell her a lot of gear! Very cool to deal with From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 20:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06939; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:38:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:38:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020309013731.2505.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: SLO and Looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5DvE8D.A.zrB.ddWi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe residents are called SLOopers. stephen --- max valentino wrote: > and now I hear rumors that there may be a couple > more looping > >gigs featuring LD members on the 28th and 29th. > What the heck's going on > >around here, and why does SLO suddenly seem to be > the center of the looping > >universe? > > > >-Hans > ...well isn't that place called San Loopis > Obispo???? > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 22:32:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13486; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 22:30:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 22:30:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <48.7cc171b.29badb85@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 22:29:09 EST Subject: (no subject) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_48.7cc171b.29badb85_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_48.7cc171b.29badb85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stumbled upon this site: http://www.fictive.org/bits/ Interesting web "sonic installation" created with a program that searches the web and downloads all sound files it finds and then sequences them - Changing every 24 hours - Worth a listen I think - Harry --part1_48.7cc171b.29badb85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stumbled upon this site:

http://www.fictive.org/bits/

Interesting web "sonic installation" created with a program that searches the web and downloads all sound files it finds and then sequences them - Changing every 24 hours - Worth a listen I think -

Harry --part1_48.7cc171b.29badb85_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 8 22:46:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14050; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 22:44:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 22:44:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <13f.a9ae356.29baded1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 22:43:13 EST Subject: andre la foss: "echoplex solos, dec. 2001" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <-GyxdD.A.saD.4TYi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goodness!.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 00:18:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19985; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:16:00 EST Subject: Re: Fw: NY LOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: >wha cha think bout my sounds? did ya get a good giggle? no giggling, but i enjoyed the snowflakiness! thankee, sir. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 00:23:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20578; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:22:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:22:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <161.a0dec9f.29baf5ea@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:21:46 EST Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson in Berkeley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >She often uses looping in her music, but I can't say for sure. ..... maybe some of mine, in there, this time 'round..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 00:27:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20390; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:21:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:21:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <187.4895a12.29baf59c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:20:28 EST Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Here we go To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matthias@grob.org writes: >Yes, sure, I could do a lousy video and sell it for much, ..... or, you could do a good-quality video, and sell it at a fair price! >but it >would be more isolation for me and you... after all I feel that the >number of mails today reflect the fact that we met physically on the >weekend, no? no, we did not. *-( and: that video --- even moderately well-distributed --- might help folks who do not fall within the scope of this (still somewhat small) forum..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 00:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21113; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:27:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:27:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:27:00 EST Subject: Re: SLO and Looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mv wrote, >well isn't that place called San Loopis Obispo???? .........aaargggghhhhhhhhh.............. 8-> dt / splut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 00:30:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21374; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:29:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <118.dcfba43.29baf78d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:28:45 EST Subject: Re: andre la foss: "echoplex solos, dec. 2001" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <9wYDoB.A.eNF.u2Zi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com michael said: >goodness! yes; *very* goodness! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 00:32:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21711; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:31:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:31:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <167.a0e2d9d.29baf80b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:30:51 EST Subject: Re: BASS LOOPERS to know about To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: >doesn't ikue mori (spelling?) do improv using a drum machine or more? >haven't heard her do it, but i've read about it. yes; good to hear. on john zorn's tzadik/new japan label, also on the new cycling74 label..... & others..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 02:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07534; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 02:45:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 02:45:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:44:35 -0800 Subject: Re: the FRONTMANULATOR and drum machines that improvise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <80B63D7A-3331-11D6-8F20-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll put my money on the Againinator any day! The beta version showed at Loopstock, and a fight worthy version should be ready soon.... Mark On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 03:19 PM, rich wrote: > celebrity deathmatch... > > Againinator vs. Frontmanulator! > > any bets? > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 04:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12497; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 04:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 04:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT: Vortex repair update Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 01:14:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c1c74a$dcdc0a80$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C707.CEB8CA80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C707.CEB8CA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Benos noches- Monk wanted to know if I was able to replace one of the encoders on my Vortex and I was. Yay! I thought maybe some others here might find the info useful. The hard part is removing the faulty encoder- I resorted to carefully clipping a few of the posts then heating/pulling them out. Once removed the sockets must be clear of solder- heat it up and a quick blast o breath will clear- Seat the new encoder- and from the bottom, heat the posts (not the board) and allow solder to wick down all the way to the opposite side. I guess my technique has improved- my first attempt a year or so ago got me a $100 bill from Lexicon repair. :-) Cliff http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C707.CEB8CA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Benos noches-

 

Monk wanted to know if I was able to replace one of = the encoders on my Vortex and I was. Yay! I thought maybe some others here = might find the info useful.

 

The hard part is removing the faulty encoder- I = resorted to carefully clipping a few of the posts then heating/pulling them = out.

 

Once removed the sockets must be clear of solder- = heat it up and a quick blast o breath will clear-

 

Seat the new encoder- and from the bottom, heat the = posts (not the board) and allow solder to wick down all the way to the opposite = side.

 

I guess my technique has improved- my first attempt a = year or so ago got me a $100 bill from Lexicon repair. J

 

Cliff

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C707.CEB8CA80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 04:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13444; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 04:34:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 04:34:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Weirdstuff Effects Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:34:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c1c74d$9f52d6a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_nLiHD.A.WRD.rcdi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which weird effector could be recommended to a looper in the current price-midrange? What I do: bass guitar, synths, saxes, recorders, trombunes, vocal noises What I have: MAM RS3, Digitech RDS2001, Repeater, Sony HR-GP5, Digitech StudioQuad, Lexicon Vortex, Line6 DL4, Akai E1, Korg KAOSS soon-to-come Roland V-Bass, all in a rack with Berhinger 2642A console, patchbay, Behringer Ultramizer and TC Triple-C. What I want: good effects quaility, excellent realtime controllability (envelope follower, MIDI sources, flexible LFOs etc.), no need for excellent reverb or ease of use. Perhaps something even to throw out both the Digitech RDS22001 and the RS3. >From browsing through online catalogues and manufacturer's web sites, I found that perhaps the Lexicon MPX1 (or MPX1G2) or better still the TC Electronics FireworX or G-Force would be the medium of choice. Any thoughts on these? Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 05:44:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17107; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:43:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:43:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c1c6f2$dcb94840$d261f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203090346.WAA14227@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LOOPING CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE: San Luis Obispo vs. Santa Cruz Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:44:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max valentino wrote: "and now I hear rumors that there may be a couple more looping gigs featuring LD members on the 28th and 29th. What the heck's going on around here, and why does SLO suddenly seem to be the center of the looping universe?" Now, hold on there!!!! Master U.K. Bass Looper Steve Lawson has been quoted as saying that "Santa Cruz is the looping capitol of the Universe". What's it going to be? Who will take the title as theirs? That does it, Hans..............................I'M CALLING YOU OUT!!!! I challenge you do a live looping duel (instruments to be agreed upon) on your turf or on mine. You may choose a single Jamman, EDP, Line 6 DL4, Boomerang, Loopstation, Repeater, 2 Revox tape loops or Roland RE 501 Chorus echo with the erase heads removed (like I use to use) or any other dedicated looper (who users are already pissed off at me because I didn't list them) as your weapon of choice. Are you a looping man enough to take the challenge? Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on. Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on. Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on. Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on. signed, your biggest fan, Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 06:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19515; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 06:32:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 06:32:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011201c1c75d$92a5cd30$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <200203090346.WAA14227@hemlock.violacea.com> <006e01c1c6f2$dcb94840$d261f93f@global> Subject: Re: LOOPING CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE: San Luis Obispo vs. Santa Cruz Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 03:28:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_EMjJD.A.6vE.aKfi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh no! I suddenly have this vision of Rick running at me, full speed, wearing day-glo green armbands and whirling a three-foot piece of corrugating tubing in each hand, an insane madness in his eyes, yelling "Who wants to party?" Well, Rick, I want to party. Bang a gong, it's on. :) -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: LOOPING CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE: San Luis Obispo vs. Santa Cruz > max valentino wrote: > > "and now I hear rumors that there may be a couple > more looping gigs featuring LD members on the 28th and 29th. > What the heck's going on around here, and why does SLO suddenly seem to be > the center of the looping universe?" > > > Now, hold on there!!!! Master U.K. Bass Looper Steve Lawson has been > quoted as > saying that "Santa Cruz is the looping capitol of the Universe". > > What's it going to be? Who will take the title as theirs? > > > That does it, Hans..............................I'M CALLING YOU OUT!!!! > > I challenge you do a live looping duel (instruments to be agreed upon) on > your turf or on mine. > You may choose a single Jamman, EDP, Line 6 DL4, Boomerang, Loopstation, > Repeater, 2 Revox tape loops or > Roland RE 501 Chorus echo with the erase heads removed (like I use to use) > or any other dedicated looper (who users are already pissed off at me > because I didn't list them) as your weapon of choice. > > Are you a looping man enough to take the challenge? insanely> > > Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it > on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on. > Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it > on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on. > Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it > on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on. > Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it > on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on.Let's get it on. > > > signed, your biggest fan, Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 07:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22140; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:29:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c1c765$ae5adfe0$977ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Mike Hughes, PhD" From: "Mike Hughes, PhD" To: Greg S , Loopers-Delight References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04088C8F@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson in Berkeley Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:26:46 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C1C765.ADE561C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C1C765.ADE561C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The most memerable moment of any Laurie Anderson show I've seen came during this tour where she made rather stunning use of silence. Perhaps she was looping it... I have to admit, the memorable moment of the last tour was when she had = pencils and paper distributed among the audience for those annoyed at = the "no-photos" policy! Mike (The other memorable bit was waiting in the cold London night for her to = emerge, to meet her; sadly, no sign after four hours...) ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C1C765.ADE561C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The most memerable moment of any Laurie Anderson show I've seen = came
during this tour where she made rather stunning use of = silence. =20 Perhaps
she was looping it...

I have to=20 admit, the memorable moment of the last tour was when she had pencils = and paper=20 distributed among the audience for those annoyed at the "no-photos"=20 policy!
 
Mike
 
(The other memorable bit was waiting in = the cold=20 London night for her to emerge, to meet her; sadly, no sign after four=20 hours...)
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C1C765.ADE561C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 12:26:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05684; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:24:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:24:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAgc2dhC/GcX9NF9Le9mdSMZfzX9ECFHMaC9hux9O2XstccKB2GF0z6Iqw From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:24:08 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Testing...testing...1...2...3...is this thing on? Message-ID: <19004-3C8A4538-459@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: ArsOcarina@aol.com's message of Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:06:50 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, the same thing happened to me about a month ago. I only have so much storage space for information and it was full so it would bounce all my e:mails and the list server automatically unscribes you. Pictures take up alot of space. I was out of town so I couldnt read my mail and was unscribed from all my yahoogroups and LD. Best' Bill/Las Vegas/ paddedcell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 13:00:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08955; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:59:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:59:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:58:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <521E928C-3387-11D6-B1C9-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's very important in our day and age to be looping evanglists. Maybe not bill a show as a looping show, but perhaps talk a little of how the loopage is happening. If people are paying attention, they'll realize that the music is being looped, but some will wonder why and how. Gig spam wont help answer that question. How many times have you heard the sound of an instrument and said, "THAT TONE! What kind of ________ is that? What kind of amp are they using?" Same holds true for effect processors, as a lot of people came up to me after our show at SLO and asked about the Alesis AirFX. The AirFX might not be around much longer, but if enough people buy up existing stock, perhaps it will live again. Maybe some things are just meant to live in esoterica, and die out, becoming a "rare jem, before it's time." I hope this doesn't hold true for the current looping hardware choices we have. Remember, the more people that loop, the more loopers people will buy, the more they will make, the more they'll sink R&D into improving new Looping devices. We're VERY lucky to have the labor of love that is the Echoplex. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 11:26 AM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > My real desire is to > have looping integrated so well that no one mentions it as separate > from the > performance, and that has been happening of late. It is also my intent > of > course to spread the gospel of the loop, somewhat contradictory goals I > suppose, and I see gig spam as serving that purpose. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 13:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10724; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:35:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:35:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <521E928C-3387-11D6-B1C9-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:38:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think it's very important in our day and age to be looping >evanglists. Y'mean, like Byrne and Eno did in "Bush of Ghosts"? Or the Butthole Surfers did in the track "Brothers and Sisters"? But aren't most evangelist telecasts copyrighted? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 14:53:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14563; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:51:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:51:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.214] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrade Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 19:50:51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2002 19:50:51.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7A38C30:01C1C7A3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got it via Bob Sellon's website. I believe it was www.stec.com He has a deal running where if you buy his CD ($15) and ask for the upgrade chip, he will throw in a chip for free. His e-mail addy is JamMan@StecRecords.com Max > >Where and how do I get the new upgrade chip for the Jam Man? >Thanks >Bill Ruppert > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 14:57:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15036; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:56:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:56:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.214] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: syncing JamMan/EDP Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 19:56:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2002 19:56:10.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[75D7B780:01C1C7A4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all... I know there is probably plenty of info in the archives, but I was wonderin' if any of you have experience syncing an EDP and JamMan? If so, what, if any, problems or issues are are to be expected? Hmmmm Steve L...you're probably doing this right now, eh? With plans for the CaliLoop Tour in progress, I am so hoping to sync up with Mr. LaFosse, and hopefully Mr. Grob also, but, alas, will not be doing so with an EDP of my very own....so how's JamBoy gonna react to this? Thanks Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 15:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17052; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:14:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:14:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009701c1c554$c7a09840$6d61f93f@global> References: <200203070825.DAA02544@hemlock.violacea.com> <009701c1c554$c7a09840$6d61f93f@global> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:13:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Bass Looping and Bowing Techniques Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I even went out >and purchased some very, very thin brass sheets so that I can wrap a 5" inch >section around the bracing of the bow to create a portable slide. lovely >I just love when I can make acoustic instruments sound like >electronic instruments >with lots of processing. especially because you never manage to make them sound as badly (cold...) > Bowing the candy dishes is particularly cool, >because when you stop bowing, the sound >stops abruptly and it sounds remarkably like a backwards sample of the same >bowl being struck: very ethereal!! we also talked about simulation of reverse sound, when driving back from SLO. Seems to be the next challenge for mankind, since airplane, robot and clone are working, we need to reverse our aging! well, at some point, mankind gave up dreaming to make gold out of anything else. Seems that not all can become true. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 15:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17238; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B0A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:14:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Gig spam--in two hours in San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >If a looper loops loops with a looper, how many loops does looper >have to loop to be a looper? well, an alcoholic is and alcoholic even if he does not drink for a while. And you can tell by the way he speaks... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 15:42:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18865; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:41:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:41:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8A7483.6FA14614@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 12:50:57 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass looping alchemy References: <200203070825.DAA02544@hemlock.violacea.com> <009701c1c554$c7a09840$6d61f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: (snip) > well, at some point, mankind gave up dreaming to make gold out of > anything else. Seems that not all can become true. perhaps those nutty alchemists found something even better...:-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 16:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21104; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:01:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:01:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c1c7ad$b78b16a0$e956e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B0A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Anomalous Disturbances Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:02:26 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5ApXYC.A._IF.Ugni8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday March 12th - Anomalous Disturbances Visiting from Vancouver BC, Anomalous Disturbances, aka Terry O'Brien, will be performing two sets of ambient soundscaping via looping guitar improvisations and recombinant ephemera, in search of happy accidents. This is also the CD release event for "The Spirit Molecule". (Note - Doors @ 9:30 - 1st set @ 10:00 for this show only.) Between sets - Gongland by Forrest Fang (Projekt) < ambience reflecting Indonesian gamelan music, fractals, alternate tunings and esoteric algorithms > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Special concert event: Sunday, April 7th @ Art System, 327 Spadina Ave. 2nd floor map: http://www.theambientping.com/map_327spadina.html The Ambient Ping and Stained Productions proudly present ambient electronic music pioneer ROBERT RICH in concert with special guests, soundscape artists dreamSTATE and light projections by General Chaos Visuals. $12 in advance - $15 at the door - Doors open at 8:00 PM dreamSTATE at 8:45 PM - Robert Rich at 10:00 PM An all ages and non-smoking event Read full details & bios at the Stained Productions website: http://www.stainedproductions.com/events/rich/index.html For those planning to travel to Toronto for this special concert the above webpage also includes a direct PayPal link to guarantee Out-of-Town Ticket Reservations. Toronto advance ticket outlets: ROTATE THIS (620 Queen St. W.- just west of Bathurst) SOUNDSCAPES (572 College St.- 4 blocks w of Bathurst) THE AMBiENT PiNG (Tuesdays at club nia / C'est What 19 Church St.at Front St. - ask for Scott) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Robert Rich - http://www.rrich.com/rrframeset.html dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamSTATE.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient and experimental performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 16:25:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22415; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:24:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:24:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:24:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: OT: spam fight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5ProhD.A.rcF.U2ni8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com did any of you make the experience with http://www.removeyou.org ? Looks interesting... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 19:20:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24462; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:19:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:19:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mizuho@aol.com Message-ID: <73.1c14dddb.29bc0060@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:18:40 EST Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrade wrong address To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Max Could you check the address again for the Jam Man upgrade. Both the Web page and the Email address were bad. Thanks for your help! Bill Ruppert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 9 20:25:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28533; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:24:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:24:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c1c76d$f37cf560$fb63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203100020.TAA24633@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: Wierdstuff effects Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:25:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4m9II.A.Y9G.pWri8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer Staschill wrote: " Which weird effector could be recommended to a looper in the current price-midrange?" Dear Rainer, the ZOOM 1201 processor (now out of print) has no midi controllability, no display, no on-off button on the face plate and the ugliest faceplate in the history of effects box graphics. It also, however, has the largest collection of 'wierd' of any box in history for the money (they only cost $150 US new). They have an A and B banks with largely forgettable reverbs and guitar modulations but the C bank is wonderful, including, noise sources, ring modulators, lo-fi patches, a working vocoder (!). I love to use it when I want to seriously screw something up............. The graphics are so ugly, that I glued shiny metallic rave paper over mine and now I can't tell what's in it, so I use it as my 'mystery' box when I want some new thing without using my concious mind............but then, a lot of people think I am crazy........... ;-) see if you can find one...........it's so cheap, it's just great to have it in your studio. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 03:42:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21186; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:41:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:41:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Steve Lawson" To: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:42:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LOOPING CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE: San Luis Obispo vs. Santa Cruz Message-ID: <3C8B1C92.8754.578953@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <006e01c1c6f2$dcb94840$d261f93f@global> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "and now I hear rumors that there may be a couple > more looping gigs featuring LD members on the 28th and 29th. > What the heck's going on around here, and why does SLO suddenly seem to be > the center of the looping universe?" > > > Now, hold on there!!!! Master U.K. Bass Looper Steve Lawson has been > quoted as > saying that "Santa Cruz is the looping capitol of the Universe". Master or not, I still contest that SC wins... one weekend of loop activity cannot compensate for years of loopaliciousness in SC... and let's not forget that this recent run of looping festivals was commenced by Rick in SC with the bass looping fest last January (me and Max and Scott and Trey happened to be playing as well, but none of us are big name draws, let's face it - it was Rick's hard work that made that happen...) Oh and BTW, places like NYC/London/Berlin etc. are discounted due to an 'infinite number of Monkeys' clause in the looping capital contest rules - cities of that size are out due to the likelihood of loopers just being there without much in the way of 'scene building' by anyone in quite the same way, despite the enourmous and pivotal contributions to the world of looping made by Riley/Reich/Cage/Torn/Eno/etc. etc. Their genuis, unless I'm much mistaken was less about functioning as part of a scene, and more about trail-blazing... now there's a discussion starter, certainly a concept I'm willing to have challenged by those more knowledgeable on here, and one that probably sounds far more weighty than such a trivial discussion starter deserves... :o) But in the SLO/SC show down, SLO has got years of catching up to do... When unknown loopers such as we can turn up about play to over a hundred people, there has to be some kind of scene happening..! ..the nice thing is now, I do seem to have an iddy-biddy little following in SC thanks to Rick's hard work - a high proportion of the people at the recent loop fest with Rick, me, Richard Z, Bill and Orbis had seen me play before and were back for more (fools!!!), which was rather nice! :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 04:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28904; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:37:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:37:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <176.4cf97e6.29bc8330@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:36:48 EST Subject: Re: syncing JamMan/EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <8M6XAD.A.sCH.0kyi8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi all... I know there is probably plenty of info in the archives, but I was > wonderin' if any of you have experience syncing an EDP and JamMan? > If so, what, if any, problems or issues are are to be expected? works just fine, but if EDP is master you'll get a bit of glitching on the JamMan at the start/end of the loop. remember theat the note value for the JamMan is a crotchet, while the EDP uses quavers. So if EDP is set to 8th/cycle=8, then that corresponds to a 4 on the JamMan if you want the JamMan loop to be the same length as an EDP cycle. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 09:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14212; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:06:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:06:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.24384f1e.29bcc217@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:05:11 EST Subject: help: auto unsubscribe/subscribe loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks, anyone know whatall this is about? i'm receiving -in a loop- notices that i've been unsubscribed to LD, then re-subscribed, then unsubscribed etc etc..... none of which was initiated by me, and many (or, most) of your posts are not arriving in my mailbox, anymore..... any ideas? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 09:58:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16520; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:57:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:57:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c1c844$940b89c0$75944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: syncing JamMan/EDP - Crotchets and Quavers Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:02:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA16422 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy wrote: >remember theat the note value for the JamMan is a crotchet, while the EDP >uses quavers. So if EDP is set to 8th/cycle=8, then that corresponds to a 4 >on the JamMan if you want the JamMan loop to be the same length as an EDP >cycle. At the risk of being "crotchety" I thought I'd jump in and translate the terminology here. Andy is using the European English terms for note values. Below are the corresponding American English terms: Breve*********************Double whole note Semibreve***************Whole note Minim*********************Half note Crotchet******************Quarter note Quaver*******************Eighth note Semiquaver*************Sixteenth note Demisemiquaver*******Thirty-second note Hemdemisemiquaver**Sixty-fourth note From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 10:28:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19224; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:27:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <152.a32274a.29bcd53f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:26:55 EST Subject: WOW! OH MY GOD! (Michael Manring's site!) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_152.a32274a.29bcd53f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_152.a32274a.29bcd53f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BASSIST or NOT you must go to Michael Manring's site! If you sign up for his mailing list, you get access to some exclusive mp3's... "the MANTHING STASH" "One MO' thing" Is the most amazing loop I've heard to date!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Blah, blah, blah --part1_152.a32274a.29bcd53f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BASSIST or NOT you must go to Michael Manring's site!

If you sign up for his mailing list, you get access to some exclusive mp3's...

"the MANTHING STASH"

"One MO' thing"

Is the most amazing loop I've heard to date!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Blah, blah, blah --part1_152.a32274a.29bcd53f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 11:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24851; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:58:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:58:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310085025.033e8540@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:55:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1371075==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_1371075==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Not a railroad, but possibly the world's most beautiful post office - Ludwig Mies van der Rohe's Loop Station in Chicago. At 01:22 PM 3/6/02, you wrote: >At 9:05 PM +0000 3/6/02, max valentino wrote: >>near here is famous landmark (historical marker) for a thing called "The >>Tehachapi Loop" it is a length a railway, where when they were building >>the first RR's in the west, it was the first place where engineers >>designed the tracks to "loop" over itself in order to gain altitude and >>make it over the mtns. > >There is a similar railroad loop in British Columbia and another in New >Zealand. Tom Heasley Composer/Tubist 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 http://www.hypnos.com/heasley http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://kalvos.org/heasley.html --=====================_1371075==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Not a railroad, but possibly the world's most beautiful post office - Ludwig Mies van der Rohe's Loop Station in Chicago.

At 01:22 PM 3/6/02, you wrote:
At 9:05 PM +0000 3/6/02, max valentino wrote:
near here is  famous landmark (historical marker) for a thing called "The Tehachapi Loop" it is a length a railway, where when they were building the first RR's in the west, it was the first place where engineers designed the tracks to "loop" over itself in order to gain altitude and make it over the mtns.

There is a similar railroad loop in British Columbia and another in New Zealand.


Tom Heasley
Composer/Tubist
427 Alma St., Suite 206         Palo Alto, CA  94301
P:  650.322.3633                F:  419.831.3809
http://www.hypnos.com/heasley
http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi
http://kalvos.org/heasley.html

 --=====================_1371075==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 12:52:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28492; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:51:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:51:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:51:14 -0800 Subject: Re: syncing JamMan/EDP - Crotchets and Quavers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002101c1c844$940b89c0$75944e0c@u73x0> Message-Id: <6A1B8361-344F-11D6-9C77-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, you can learn such things from any book that one might pick up at your local music shoppe On Sunday, March 10, 2002, at 07:02 AM, James Pokorny wrote: > Andy wrote: >> remember theat the note value for the JamMan is a crotchet, while the >> EDP >> uses quavers. So if EDP is set to 8th/cycle=8, then that corresponds >> to a 4 >> on the JamMan if you want the JamMan loop to be the same length as an >> EDP >> cycle. > > > At the risk of being "crotchety" I thought I'd jump in and translate > the terminology here. Andy is using the European English terms for > note values. Below are the corresponding American English terms: > > Breve*********************Double whole note > Semibreve***************Whole note > Minim*********************Half note > Crotchet******************Quarter note > Quaver*******************Eighth note > Semiquaver*************Sixteenth note > Demisemiquaver*******Thirty-second note > Hemdemisemiquaver**Sixty-fourth note > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 12:55:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28862; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:54:46 -0800 Subject: Re: help: auto unsubscribe/subscribe loop? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7c.24384f1e.29bcc217@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might want to quiry Kim directly. I had this happen to me last month or so, for no real reason I could see. I didn't get any notice, though. LD emails just stopped. All I had to do was re subscribe. Maybe there's in issue with the LD list? Most likely, it's an issue with our ISP though. Mark On Sunday, March 10, 2002, at 06:05 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > folks, > anyone know whatall this is about? > i'm receiving -in a loop- notices that i've been unsubscribed to LD, > then > re-subscribed, then unsubscribed etc etc..... none of which was > initiated by > me, and many (or, most) of your posts are not arriving in my mailbox, > anymore..... > any ideas? > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 13:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30920; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:13:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:13:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:12:44 -0500 Subject: edp volume query Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've got my edp running on one side of my amp, so whenever i record a loop, the edp reproduces it at a drastically lower volume, as compared with the original signal. the only solution i've come up with is to have one side of the power amp turned up louder than the other but when i do this, the unlooped signla is too loud on one side and thus unbalanced between the two sides. i've got the output maxed so i'm wondering if this is just the nature of the beast. my path: alembic preamp = a) edp - eventide - power amp b) eventide - power amp i'm still collecting funds to buy a switchblade, so maybe that would solve the problem...any other suggestions? thanks. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 14:10:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02872; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:10:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.153e5334.29bd0975@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:09:41 EST Subject: Re: edp volume query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8a.153e5334.29bd0975_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8a.153e5334.29bd0975_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You need to adjust the MIX knob... Do you have the users guide? If so it describes it in the QUICK START section... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Blah, blah, blah --part1_8a.153e5334.29bd0975_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You need to adjust the MIX knob...

Do you have the users guide? If so it describes it in the QUICK START section...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Blah, blah, blah --part1_8a.153e5334.29bd0975_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 14:48:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05002; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:48:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:48:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:47:30 EST Subject: Re: help: auto unsubscribe/subscribe loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark writes: >All I had to do was re subscribe. ..... except, somehow, this virulent l'il loop already re-subscribed me..... wee-udd. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 14:53:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05553; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:53:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:53:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <171.a0d0803.29bd136e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:52:14 EST Subject: Re: edp volume query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net writes: >any other >suggestions? ..... a mixer w/panning controls? or: ..... an extra gain stage for the edp, 'twixt it & the eventide? or: ..... a *completely* separate amp for the edp, w/separate processing? best, dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 15:20:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09071; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:20:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:20:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310115331.05589ad8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:14:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: help: auto unsubscribe/subscribe loop? In-Reply-To: <7c.24384f1e.29bcc217@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:05 AM 3/10/2002, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >folks, >anyone know whatall this is about? >i'm receiving -in a loop- notices that i've been unsubscribed to LD, then >re-subscribed, then unsubscribed etc etc..... none of which was initiated by >me, and many (or, most) of your posts are not arriving in my mailbox, >anymore..... >any ideas? Sorry about that. I've been having a problem the last few days with some moron's mis-configured server out on the net. An address at that server was subscribed to the list, and then was turned off a couple of weeks ago. Normally this means the address starts bouncing, and the LD list server removes the address from the list automatically and all is well. However, instead of bouncing immediately with correctly formatted bounce messages, this server waited a couple of weeks and then started sending hundreds of bounce messages at once, all of which were formatted wrong. The incorrect formats of the bounces confused the LD list software and caused it to remove the wrong addresses from the list. And since hundreds of them came at once, this happened to a whole bunch of people. So I had to spend quite a few hours digging through all of this mess to figure out who got removed and subscribe them back to the list. big fun. There may be more of this still, because I removed the real address on Friday and the bounce messages coming back so far are only from list posts up to Wednesday. sorry for the confusion, if it caused you any. >At 09:54 AM 3/10/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >You might want to quiry Kim directly. that would make sense, as i'm the only one likely to know about list problems or be able to do anything about it, and I check my own mail more often than the list.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 15:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10207; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:45:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:45:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <117.de28b2d.29bd1f88@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:43:52 EST Subject: Re: help: auto unsubscribe/subscribe loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <79igIB.A.1eC.xW8i8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com k, >i'm the only one likely to know about list >problems or be able to do anything about it, and I check my own mail more >often than the list.... thanks; sorry for the trouble..... best, d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 16:17:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13288; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:16:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:16:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8BCC98.B95179D2@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:14:01 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: help: auto unsubscribe/subscribe loop? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310115331.05589ad8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-k9NFD.A.1OD.q08i8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > So I had to spend quite > a few hours digging through all of this mess to figure out who got removed > and subscribe them back to the list. big fun. Good thing they pay you so well! I experienced the same anomaly, but I assumed it was just some twist of fate punishing me for making so many posts last week... --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 16:41:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14412; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:40:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:40:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <180.4d12107.29bd2c7c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:39:08 EST Subject: Re: help: auto unsubscribe/subscribe loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, In a message dated 3/10/02 1:16:34 PM, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: >I experienced the same anomaly, but I assumed it was just some twist of >fate punishing me for making so many posts last week... Yeah, Shame on you! :-) I guess this is all part of the same thing that happened to me. I wound up changing to a new web address and re-subscribing with that. But I was sort of confused there for a while there. A direct inquiry to Kim solved the issue pretty much. But by then I'd already re-subscribed with a new ID. If I felt it made any particular real sense to do so, I'd go back to the old "Killinfo" name. But this is fine for now. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 16:57:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15669; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:57:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:57:22 -0500 Subject: Re: edp volume query Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the tips. i've have but one rack space to spare, which is dedicated to the switchblade (as soon as i can locate that elusive money tree), so i can't really add a mixer. i'll adjust the mix control tonight. i could adjust the input/output for the edp side of the eventide, but i'll still end up with an unbalanced mix when playing unlooped. i think mr. torn's suggestion for a second gain stage is a suitable solution...we'll see... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 17:14:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17789; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:13:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:13:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310140656.055f1698@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:08:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp volume query In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2SBjG.A._UE.Lq9i8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com probably the first step should be experimenting with input/output levels and the mix control to see if you find a proper setting.... kim At 01:57 PM 3/10/2002, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >thanks for the tips. i've have but one rack space to >spare, which is dedicated to the switchblade (as soon >as i can locate that elusive money tree), so i can't >really add a mixer. i'll adjust the mix control >tonight. i could adjust the input/output for the edp >side of the eventide, but i'll still end up with an >unbalanced mix when playing unlooped. i think mr. >torn's suggestion for a second gain stage is a >suitable solution...we'll see... > >-jim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 18:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24079; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:53:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:53:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017801c1c580$b16a3d20$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> References: <017801c1c580$b16a3d20$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:53:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This is getting confusing to me- fine, you bring clairty: >For me- I would like to be in Delay mode, press Overdub to capture a >loop, Mute that loop, continue playing, Un-Mute the loop in the exact >state I left it in- that how it is (just that in Loop3, the state of Overdub had no influence during Mute, which I find simply wrong now) >I understand fully the desire of fellow list members to be able to Mute >the loop and still add to it without hearing the results until it has >been un-muted and I don't think that should be sacrificed. and its not even in question > >Personally I can't see that I would want to come out of Mute in delay >mode using Overdub- which seems confusing because Overdub is used to >capture loops in delay mode- right, but maybe the other way round: you have a loop frozen (Overdub red) mute it press Overdub the loop comes back as it was but immediately fades. Or (in some later upgrade?): Overdub continue doing its job without touching Mute. Means that you can stay in Mute and decide with Overdub when you want to change it while its in silence. I think it would be more interesting for the DelayMode but in general make things more complex and less consistent without changing that much... >I hope I am not confusing the issue more- but such length between >comments and the posts getting combined throws me a little- Thanks. now you confused me: what do you mean by this last sentence? > >Cliff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] >Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:41 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > >I dont quite understand what you are saying here, but you are right >that there may be the desire to make a muted loop sensitive or >frozzen in DelayMode. > >Now when you press Overdub, you automatically come out of Mute. >Is that wrong? >Or does anybody use Overdub to come out of Mute? > >>Extra button presses and delay- I would have to Mute- Record- Un-Mute- >>instead of just Rec- Mute (then un-mute later when I want the loop >again) - >>I would assume that even in Delay mode once I hit Overdub to capture >the >>loop the only way to add to it would be to hit Overdub again, add, then >>Overdub again to re-capture the loop. I can see how adding to a loop >without >>hearing it can be fun- but I would just use the Mix knob myself- Thanks >for >>the suggestion. >> >>Cliff >> >> >>> can't you just unmute after you play what you want in the loop? >>> (instead of before) >>> >>> i think that's what they intended for this feature... >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Om_Audio" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:34 AM >>> Subject: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request >>> >>> >>> > >>> > I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really >useful >>> > if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use >Delay >>> > mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record >it >>> > down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows >this >>> > already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- >>> > >> > > Cliff > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 19:45:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27522; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:44:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:44:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310163912.02df1dc0@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:41:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Latest thoughts In-Reply-To: <27993-3C87F4A5-89@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2634473==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_2634473==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:15 PM 3/7/02, you wrote: >You could have different line-ups for different cities for those on >tight scheduals. Bill/Las Vegas If that proves to be the case, count me (partly) in. TH Tom Heasley Composer/Tubist 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 http://www.hypnos.com/heasley http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://kalvos.org/heasley.html --=====================_2634473==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:15 PM 3/7/02, you wrote:

You could have different line-ups for different cities for those on
tight scheduals. Bill/Las Vegas

If that proves to be the case, count me (partly) in.

TH


Tom Heasley
Composer/Tubist
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 --=====================_2634473==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 19:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28122; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:50:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:50:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:50:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1c896$c9dc6b80$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mattias- thanks for the reply! Sounds like it will all be ok- :) In regards to me confusing you: I simply meant that the original idea was discussed, then there were somewhat lenghty pauses in the thread (imo), and then the post you made had some portions of posts from others on the subject mixed in together. It was a bit hard for me to understand it. Thanks again. I hope the weather in Oakland is as beautiful as it is in L.A today- Cheers! Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 3:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request >This is getting confusing to me- fine, you bring clairty: >For me- I would like to be in Delay mode, press Overdub to capture a >loop, Mute that loop, continue playing, Un-Mute the loop in the exact >state I left it in- that how it is (just that in Loop3, the state of Overdub had no influence during Mute, which I find simply wrong now) >I understand fully the desire of fellow list members to be able to Mute >the loop and still add to it without hearing the results until it has >been un-muted and I don't think that should be sacrificed. and its not even in question > >Personally I can't see that I would want to come out of Mute in delay >mode using Overdub- which seems confusing because Overdub is used to >capture loops in delay mode- right, but maybe the other way round: you have a loop frozen (Overdub red) mute it press Overdub the loop comes back as it was but immediately fades. Or (in some later upgrade?): Overdub continue doing its job without touching Mute. Means that you can stay in Mute and decide with Overdub when you want to change it while its in silence. I think it would be more interesting for the DelayMode but in general make things more complex and less consistent without changing that much... >I hope I am not confusing the issue more- but such length between >comments and the posts getting combined throws me a little- Thanks. now you confused me: what do you mean by this last sentence? > >Cliff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] >Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:41 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > >I dont quite understand what you are saying here, but you are right >that there may be the desire to make a muted loop sensitive or >frozzen in DelayMode. > >Now when you press Overdub, you automatically come out of Mute. >Is that wrong? >Or does anybody use Overdub to come out of Mute? > >>Extra button presses and delay- I would have to Mute- Record- Un-Mute- >>instead of just Rec- Mute (then un-mute later when I want the loop >again) - >>I would assume that even in Delay mode once I hit Overdub to capture >the >>loop the only way to add to it would be to hit Overdub again, add, then >>Overdub again to re-capture the loop. I can see how adding to a loop >without >>hearing it can be fun- but I would just use the Mix knob myself- Thanks >for >>the suggestion. >> >>Cliff >> >> >>> can't you just unmute after you play what you want in the loop? >>> (instead of before) >>> >>> i think that's what they intended for this feature... >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Om_Audio" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:34 AM >>> Subject: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request >>> >>> >>> > >>> > I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really >useful >>> > if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use >Delay >>> > mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record >it >>> > down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows >this >>> > already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- >>> > >> > > Cliff > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 22:28:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07915; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:27:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:27:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:31:33 -0800 Subject: Music online From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5m4Eq.A.h5B.cPCj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just pushed myself to try to get something posted online. http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg (If I'm going to keep this up, I've got to come up with an option for web space that isn't quite so constrained.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 10 22:48:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09393; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:47:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:47:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c1c8af$a9d316e0$3359e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: Music online Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:48:53 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just pushed myself to try to get something posted online. > > http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg > > (If I'm going to keep this up, I've got to come up with an option for web > space that isn't quite so constrained.) > > Mark Upload them to mp3.com for free and you can use 128k. Skip the 'premium artist' business though. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 03:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25755; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:38:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:38:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c1c8a5$d0be5c60$42f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310140656.055f1698@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: edp volume query Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:38:22 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com messed with input/output/mix controls to no avail. apparently the solution lies outside of the edp itself. the edp is just a little quiet apparently. thanks for the suggestions all the same. back to the drawing board... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 03:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25978; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:39:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:39:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c1c8d8$33cc4240$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Music online Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:39:03 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Upload your work to mp3station.com, iuma.com, or themusic.com for a start. mp3.com's willingness to look out for the interests of artists is nearly non-existent. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 03:31 AM Subject: Music online > I just pushed myself to try to get something posted online. > > http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg > > (If I'm going to keep this up, I've got to come up with an option for web > space that isn't quite so constrained.) > > Mark > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 03:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26613; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:49:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:49:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311004221.05a98d58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:45:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp volume query In-Reply-To: <001401c1c8a5$d0be5c60$42f8c440@g0wn7> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310140656.055f1698@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it is an older unit, you may find the EDP gain stage modification detailed in the FAQ to be useful: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 this mod has been added to the production for all units made in the last couple years though, so it may or may not apply to you. One thing this mod does is increase the output gain, since the original design was a little quiet. kim At 06:38 PM 3/10/2002, you wrote: >messed with input/output/mix controls to no avail. apparently the solution >lies outside of the edp itself. the edp is just a little quiet apparently. > >thanks for the suggestions all the same. > >back to the drawing board... > >-jim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 04:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28599; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:05:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <137.ab98738.29bdcd29@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:04:41 EST Subject: Re: syncing JamMan/EDP - Crotchets and Quavers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At the risk of being "crotchety" > Andy is using the European English terms for note values. Thanks James, didn't realise those terms were unfamiliar in some places. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 04:14:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28923; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:13:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c1c8aa$b86f1e10$42f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310140656.055f1698@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020311004221.05a98d58@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: edp volume query Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:13:28 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm pretty sure my unit was made within the last couple of years. i've had it for about 2 months...bought new from alto music in ny. i do wonder if the switchblade would rectify the problem, since it has adjustable gain. i'm just trying to keep the preamp, eventide, and power amp even. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 04:37:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29917; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:36:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:36:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.23421779.29bdd46b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:35:39 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #155 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Personally I can't see that I would want to come out of Mute in delay > >mode using Overdub- which seems confusing because Overdub is used to > >capture loops in delay mode- Hi Cliff, The Loop4 software solves your problems (more or less). The EDP software is was originally designed to have only one behaviour while in Mute for each Mode(= LoopMode, DelayMode, OutputMode). This is very easily changeable for each Mode, but within a Mode it's not so easy without changing the software in a fundamental way. Matthias worked out a special fix for DelayMode in Loop4, so that Mute (and Multiply ) would behave differently if entered while in Hold (Overdub LED red), in Loop3 when you were in hold you would still overdub onto the loop if you went to Mute (or Mult). So with loop4, you go into Mute from hold, and your loop is preserved. Leave Mute with another press of Mute, and you're back in Hold. Leave Mute with Overdub(cancels Hold) and you can overdub on your loop straight away. With Loop3, you can use a "Feedback pedal" to control input volume while in Delay Mode, or plug in a latching footswitch to the Feedback socket for an Input Mute. Andy Butler. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 04:38:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30165; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.a0c7977.29bdd4b3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:36:51 EST Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Personally I can't see that I would want to come out of Mute in delay > >mode using Overdub- which seems confusing because Overdub is used to > >capture loops in delay mode- Hi Cliff, The Loop4 software solves your problems (more or less). The EDP software is was originally designed to have only one behaviour while in Mute for each Mode(= LoopMode, DelayMode, OutputMode). This is very easily changeable for each Mode, but within a Mode it's not so easy without changing the software in a fundamental way. Matthias worked out a special fix for DelayMode in Loop4, so that Mute (and Multiply ) would behave differently if entered while in Hold (Overdub LED red), in Loop3 when you were in hold you would still overdub onto the loop if you went to Mute (or Mult). So with loop4, you go into Mute from hold, and your loop is preserved. Leave Mute with another press of Mute, and you're back in Hold. Leave Mute with Overdub(cancels Hold) and you can overdub on your loop straight away. With Loop3, you can use a "Feedback pedal" to control input volume while in Delay Mode, or plug in a latching footswitch to the Feedback socket for an Input Mute. Andy Butler. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 05:47:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01776; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:46:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:46:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8C8A69.AF087682@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:43:53 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp volume query References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310140656.055f1698@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020311004221.05a98d58@loopers-delight.com> <002601c1c8aa$b86f1e10$42f8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wich switchblade ? be careful though there is no "add" gain stage in the switchblade GL (the one I own) the max that comes out is the max that comes in you'll still have plenty of options to tweak your relative gains and have your amp set a litle higher Claude Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > i'm pretty sure my unit was made within the last couple of years. i've had > it for about 2 months...bought new from alto music in ny. > > i do wonder if the switchblade would rectify the problem, since it has > adjustable gain. i'm just trying to keep the preamp, eventide, and power > amp even. > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 07:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12043; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:50:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:50:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <17e.4d38cb5.29be01da@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:49:30 EST Subject: Re: edp volume query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <9grfHB.A.H7C.8fKj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kf, >this mod has been added to the production for all units made in the last >couple years though, so it may or may not apply to you. One thing this >mod >does is increase the output gain, since the original design was a little >quiet. hmmm..... really? my older units were always a little bit weak at their outputs, but: these 2 newer gibson units (made in uk) are both *ridiculously* low-output..... dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 08:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15763; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:23:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:23:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:22:52 EST Subject: MUSIC ONLINE SUBJECT REPLY To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9.1eaf8c4a.29be09ac_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c9.1eaf8c4a.29be09ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/10/2002 9:47:42 PM Central Standard Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes: > > I just pushed myself to try to get something posted online. > > > > http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg > > > > (If I'm going to keep this up, I've got to come up with an option for web > > space that isn't quite so constrained.) > > > > Mark > > Upload them to mp3.com for free and you can use 128k. > Skip the 'premium artist' business though. > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > Yes, and if and when you do upload to mp3.com I am trying to construct a looping artists radio station ... that for some reason no-one wants anything to do with ... back when I wanted it to be bassists looping, I got two responses ... so although the name is looping bassists I want to open the invitation to anyone who loops and has an mp3.com page... I will change the name of the station soon... (if there is enough participation) Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Blah, blah, blah --part1_c9.1eaf8c4a.29be09ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/10/2002 9:47:42 PM Central Standard Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes:


> I just pushed myself to try to get something posted online.
>
> http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg
>
> (If I'm going to keep this up, I've got to come up with an option for web
> space that isn't quite so constrained.)
>
> Mark

Upload them to mp3.com for free and you can use 128k.
Skip the 'premium artist' business though.

Cheers,
Scott M2

http://www.dreamSTATE.to
ambientelectronicsoundscapes
http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com


Yes, and if and when you do upload to mp3.com I am trying to construct a looping artists radio station ...

that for some reason no-one wants anything to do with ...

back when I wanted it to be bassists looping, I got two responses ... so although the name is looping bassists I want to open the invitation to anyone who loops and has an mp3.com page...

I will change the name of the station soon... (if there is enough participation)

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Blah, blah, blah --part1_c9.1eaf8c4a.29be09ac_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 08:57:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17668; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:56:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:56:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.23d56453.29be116d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:55:57 EST Subject: LOOPERSDELIGHT RADIO @ mp3.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6f.23d56453.29be116d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <3Who0.A.wSE.PeLj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6f.23d56453.29be116d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If interested, please submit your mp3.com artist name (not the URL) and ONE tune that you would like to have included on the station... It might be best as not to flood the list, to send it directly to me instead of posting it to the list... kkstrtchby@aol.com Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Blah, blah, blah --part1_6f.23d56453.29be116d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If interested, please submit your mp3.com artist name (not the URL) and ONE tune that you would like to have included on the station...

It might be best as not to flood the list, to send it directly to me instead of posting it to the list...

kkstrtchby@aol.com

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Blah, blah, blah --part1_6f.23d56453.29be116d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 11:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29232; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:32:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:32:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011201c1c75d$92a5cd30$bafccd18@oemcomputer> References: <200203090346.WAA14227@hemlock.violacea.com> <006e01c1c6f2$dcb94840$d261f93f@global> <011201c1c75d$92a5cd30$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:29:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: LOOPING CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE: San Luis Obispo vs. Santa Cruz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Oh no! > >I suddenly have this vision of Rick running at me, full speed, wearing >day-glo green armbands and whirling a three-foot piece of corrugating tubing >in each hand, an insane madness in his eyes, yelling "Who wants to party?" > >Well, Rick, I want to party. Bang a gong, it's on. :) yup... and don't forget that phat purple leather jacket!!!... which will provide additional protection for him, as well. but...bang him up with a couple of ernie ball volume pedals, hans...and you might just take him! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 11:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29825; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:39:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:38:33 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Bass Looping and Bowing Techniques To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a901c1c91b$2f58e720$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200203070825.DAA02544@hemlock.violacea.com> <009701c1c554$c7a09840$6d61f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > we also talked about simulation of reverse sound, when driving back from SLO. > Seems to be the next challenge for mankind, since airplane, robot and > clone are working, we need to reverse our aging! > i believe this to be inevitable... > well, at some point, mankind gave up dreaming to make gold out of > anything else. Seems that not all can become true. > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > this has been done. of course the process is more expensive than the gold yielded from it. http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa050601a.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 13:16:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06104; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:12:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:12:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:16:46 -0800 Subject: Re: LOOPING CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE: San Luis Obispo vs. Santa Cruz From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Santa Cruz probably wins since there really is getting to be an audience here, but I think it's interesting what Hans did that arguably put San Luis Obispo in the running: Rather than being a carefully planned collection of performers, Loopstock started out as an open call that pulled in a huge variety of performers. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 13:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06524; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c1c928$7c767f60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <16e.a0c7977.29bdd4b3@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:13:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Andy- so how do you add to the delay while it is still muted muted and in a Hold state? As for the input mute that wouldn't work for me as the EDP is not in an Aux. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > So with loop4, you go into Mute from hold, and your loop is preserved. > Leave Mute with another press of Mute, and you're back in Hold. > Leave Mute with Overdub(cancels Hold) and you can overdub on your loop > straight away. > > With Loop3, you can use a "Feedback pedal" to control input volume while in > Delay Mode, or plug in a latching footswitch to the Feedback socket for an > Input Mute. > > Andy Butler. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 13:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06701; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:16:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c1c8f6$784e4530$1bf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020310140656.055f1698@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020311004221.05a98d58@loopers-delight.com> <002601c1c8aa$b86f1e10$42f8c440@g0wn7> <3C8C8A69.AF087682@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: edp volume query Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:15:42 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'll be using the 8B. the gl/studio 16 ins/outs are just too many. my rack only has about 4 devices that i'll be moving around. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 13:25:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07387; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:21:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c1c8f7$5683f390$1bf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <17e.4d38cb5.29be01da@aol.com> Subject: Re: edp volume query Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:21:56 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "these 2 newer gibson units (made in uk) are both *ridiculously* low-output....." this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about. i can't adjust the input any higher without clipping. i can't turn the output up any higher without breaking the knob off. i have to leave the mix at 50%, otherwise there's nothing coming out of the left side of my amp until i initiate a loop. glad to know i'm not the only one with a quiet edp. what will simply fix this problem? a second gain stage? a line booster? i suppose i'd like to be able to put a small(ish) pedal between the edp and the eventide to get the level back up to match the other side. i don't know exactly how many decibels quieter it is... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 13:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08487; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:38:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:38:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:37:19 EST Subject: Your MP3s To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, I'm on my 2nd pass through listening to the MP3s that I downloaded from you site last night. Nice! I'm enjoying them very much. Thanks for letting the list know about them. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 13:47:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09138; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:46:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:46:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:45:26 -0800 From: Andrew Pask Subject: [LA] Digital Cutup Lounge and Battery Operated this Friday In-reply-to: <3C8C133C.C0CFB246@digitalcutuplounge.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks I'm playing with digitalcutuplounge, saxophones, looping with Max/MSP and an Orville. Come down and help me find my MIDI mother. Cheers Andrew GENERIC Friday March 15th @ 10pm The Hotel Cafe 1623 Cahuenga Blvd. (between Hollywood and Selma) $4 cover (includes two free drinks, yeah!) Battery Operated (UK/France) 'concrete electro' performances off their new album made in collaboration with Gescom (Skam) http://www.batteryoperated.net Digital Cutup Lounge (Hong Kong/Los Angeles) Digital Cutup Lounge cut and cut to the ruptures and the strokes, using computers to mix dance tracks, ambient noise, jazz solos, Internet radio broadcasts and music from all over the globe, following a massive multicultural collision course with our hyperaccelerated future. http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com with DV work by kenji hashimoto slothangeles corp. esel rustle crow (formerly saul levitz of vidayoh.com) DJs Noah Massey Odeed (Moonshine) Slothangeles Corp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 13:52:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09946; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:51:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:51:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:50:58 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[LA]_Digital_Cutup_Lounge_and_Battery_Operated_this_Friday?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 301build11 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.1.145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA09823 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Have a great GIG, Andrew!!! May ORVILLE FORCE be with you. all the best Italo De Angelis > Hi folks I'm playing with digitalcutuplounge, saxophones, looping with > Max/MSP and an Orville. Come down and help me find my MIDI mother. > > Cheers > > Andrew > ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 14:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11991; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311104352.0565e2b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:53:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp volume query In-Reply-To: <004e01c1c8f7$5683f390$1bf8c440@g0wn7> References: <17e.4d38cb5.29be01da@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:21 AM 3/11/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >"these 2 newer gibson units (made in uk) are both *ridiculously* >low-output....." > >this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about. i can't adjust the input any higher >without clipping. i can't turn the output up any higher without breaking >the knob off. i have to leave the mix at 50%, otherwise there's nothing >coming out of the left side of my amp until i initiate a loop. glad to know >i'm not the only one with a quiet edp. > >what will simply fix this problem? a second gain stage? a line booster? i >suppose i'd like to be able to put a small(ish) pedal between the edp and >the eventide to get the level back up to match the other side. i don't know >exactly how many decibels quieter it is... it sounds to me like there was some sort of manufacturing error made on these units. What you describe is definitely not right. I would think getting that hardware problem corrected on your EDPs would be the best solution. Since it is about the gain stages, there is a chance the same mods described in the EDP faq for old units will correct yours also: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 If you are handy with a soldering iron you could probably do it yourself. Or better, if you are handy with an ohmmeter you could check whether the resistors in your unit match with what is described in the mod. Then you will know if you need to do the mod or not. Otherwise, you should contact Gibson's service department and get them to fix it. I believe Shane Radtke is the person you want for that. his contact info is on the LD site at the bottom of the echoplex section: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 14:17:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13619; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:16:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8D0383.C75E4F3@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:30:54 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LA] Digital Cutup Lounge and Battery Operated this Friday References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andrew Pask wrote: > Hi folks I'm playing with digitalcutuplounge, saxophones, looping with > Max/MSP and an Orville. Come down and help me find my MIDI mother. > > Cheers > > Andrew > > durn would love come help you find the midi mo, but will be attending all tomorrow's parties that night. have a great time, tho! best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 14:27:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14525; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:26:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c1c932$17217160$f40f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Cc: "Analogue Heaven" , "Ambient Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #259 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:22:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #259 March 7, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Vir Unis. Vir Unis is a synthesist and a percussionist who uses grooves and atmospheres to create what he terms electro-psychedelic mind-body music. The Featured CD at midnight was "Perimeter" (disc 1 of 2) by Vir Unis and James Johnson on the In the Bubble Music and Zero Music labels. The vinyl show starter was "Shadows of Light" by the Nightcrawlers on the Synkronos label. I played the music of Robert Rich who will be at the Gathering on March 23. I also played music of who artists will be at upcoming European EM festivals, the Manikin Marathon on April 5-7 and the Alfa Centauri festival on March 23. Vir Unis http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#mar Robert Rich http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html Manikin Marathon http://www.manikin.de/bodynews.html#sulza_e Alfa Centauri http://www.alfacentauri.nl PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Nightcrawlers In a Distant Corridor Shadows of Light (Synkronos) Stephen Parsick Cosmic Jellyfish Traces of the Past (Spheric) Stephen Parsick Green Depth Traces of the Past (Spheric) Robert Rich Animus Propogation (Hearts of Space) Arcanum Shadowland The Ancient Saga (Manikin) Synergy Orbit Five Audion (Third Contact) Synergy Revolt at L-5 Audion (Third Contact) Robert Carty Up from the Depths Energy (Deep Sky) 12:00 am Vir Unis & J. Johnson Magnetic Monopole Perimeter (In the Bubble/Zero) Vir Unis & J. Johnson Discriminating the Perimeter (In the Bubble/Zero) Intervals Vir Unis & J. Johnson Metabolizing Starlight Perimeter (In the Bubble/Zero) Directly Vir Unis & J. Johnson Cartesian Plane 1 Perimeter (In the Bubble/Zero) Vir Unis & J. Johnson Cartesian Plane 2 Perimeter (In the Bubble/Zero) Vir Unis & J. Johnson Cartesian Plane 3 Perimeter (In the Bubble/Zero) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Vir Unis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Blood Machine" by Steve Roach and Vir Unis on the GreenHouse label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Sequencer" by Synergy on the Passport Records label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 14:33:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15181; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:32:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:32:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:32:25 -0800 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: [LA] Digital Cutup Lounge and Battery Operated this Friday In-reply-to: <3C8D0383.C75E4F3@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually it's a pretty good night out in LA, go figure. I'm playing in Vinny Golia's Large Ensemble at Calarts at 9, if you're into a 30 or 40 piece completely out there jazz big band sound this will be well worth a look, Vinny's charts are pretty amazing. I think I'm on at about 12 at this other thing. on 3/11/02 11:30 AM, lance glover at baumhaus@earthlink.net wrote: > Andrew Pask wrote: > >> Hi folks I'm playing with digitalcutuplounge, saxophones, looping with >> Max/MSP and an Orville. Come down and help me find my MIDI mother. >> >> Cheers >> >> Andrew >> >> > > durn > > would love come help you find the midi mo, but will be attending all > tomorrow's parties that night. have a great time, tho! > > best, > lance g. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 15:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18683; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:04:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:04:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:03:36 -0500 Subject: Replacement for a Lexicon Jam-Man From: Laurent Brondel To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody, my Jam-Man is on its way to the grave and I would like to have opinions on what is avalaible on the market to replace it, namely: -a very long delay with adjustable feedback -looper with 'infinite' overdubbing function -pristine sound quality -functions controlable by switches The reverse, sample and all are irrelevant to me. Of course I'd love a Jam-Man II with 9mn of sampling time, a full pedal-board and 24bits/96KHz sampling rate... Thank you in advance. -- Laurent Brondel http://www.laurentbrondel.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 15:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20253; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:25:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:25:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8D13BE.C9857F1F@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:40:21 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Replacement for a Lexicon Jam-Man References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Laurent Brondel wrote: > Hello everybody, my Jam-Man is on its way to the grave and I would like to > have opinions on what is avalaible on the market to replace it, namely: > -a very long delay with adjustable feedback > -looper with 'infinite' overdubbing function > -pristine sound quality > -functions controlable by switches > The reverse, sample and all are irrelevant to me. > Of course I'd love a Jam-Man II with 9mn of sampling time, a full > pedal-board and 24bits/96KHz sampling rate... > Thank you in advance. > > -- > Laurent Brondel > http://www.laurentbrondel.com hmmm sounds like an EDP to me...but since i don't have one (nor fully recall it's feature set ), i wouldn't rule out a repeater...tho you need a separate footswitch for it, i'm pretty sure... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 15:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21164; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:34:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:34:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:33:19 -0800 Subject: MSP/ soft loopers? From: Paul Buelow To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C8D0383.C75E4F3@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please share more about what your doing with MSP - for mac from http://www.cycling74.com I want to use Max/MSP or a VST plugin or plugo or absolutely any another software tool for pc/mac to act as a looping sampler? thanks - Paul on 3/11/02 11:30 AM, lance glover at baumhaus@earthlink.net wrote: > Andrew Pask wrote: > >> Hi folks I'm playing with digitalcutuplounge, saxophones, looping with >> Max/MSP and an Orville. Come down and help me find my MIDI mother. >> >> Cheers >> >> Andrew >> >> > > durn > > would love come help you find the midi mo, but will be attending all > tomorrow's parties that night. have a great time, tho! > > best, > lance g. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 15:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21892; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:43:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c1c8d9$0c376560$1862f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203111847.NAA09429@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LOOPING CAPITOL of the UNIVERSE: this is not serious ;-) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:45:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg wrote: "Santa Cruz probably wins since there really is getting to be an audience here, but I think it's interesting what Hans did that arguably put San Luis Obispo in the running: Rather than being a carefully planned collection of performers, Loopstock started out as an open call that pulled in a huge variety of performers." Dear Loopers, I have to say that what Hans accomplished was really phenomenal and significantly raised the bar of the Looping Festival phenomena that I have been involved in. It has really got me to rethink my whole approach to the Festivals that I have planned in the the next year. It was especially cool, that Hans got some corporate sponsorship for this event. I have tried in the past to get this kind of support and interest from Electrix and Line 6 (because these are the two loopers I actually use, not to ignore the other manufacturers) and have never even had my e-mails returned by these companies. Good on Hans and Ernie Ball for supporting us in this way. Loopstock was really wonderful. The loopers are the only club I belong to where I would travel 3 hours in an automobile just to meet it's members, face to face for the first time. Getting to meet some of my long term buddies from the CT-One Collective was another incredible bonus. I had such a wonderful feeling of community at Loopstock. Breakfast with twelve loopers, looping software designers and journalists the next day and shooting the shit for 2 hours was just blissful...........man, I was talking to this really nice, intelligent guy and then discover that it is Larry O from Electronic Musician magazine...............I've been reading his wonderful endpage column for a long time now and loving it................the whole weekend was full of these kinds of wonderful encounters. ....and all of this because Hans had such an incredible and, really, selfless vision that he carried through with considerable aplomb. He has my total respect and I'm very happy that we are now friends because of his persistent efforts. I also have to say that this looping capitol thing was started with my tongue firmly in my cheek. Hans and I have been exchanging correspondances offlist and just laughing. That being said, thanks to everyone for all their kind words about our work up here in Santa Cruz. yours, appreciatively and with a grin on my face, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 16:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24524; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:01:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:01:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8D1BD0.4C10B4BA@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:04:16 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: edp volume query References: <3C8D0D5B.10992168@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jimmy Fowler , Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >my path: alembic preamp = a) edp - eventide - power amp > b) eventide - power amp Perhaps try this: Go straight out of the preamp into the EDP, Y the output of the EDP into the Eventide (this may not even be necessary), then go stereo into the power amp? -Hans Hans Lindauer wrote: > > Hi Jim- > > Sorry to take this off-list, but as I'm on the digest version of LD, > messages can take a while for me to get. > > I think there must be a way to get your gains balanced without adding an > additional stage. Could you please run your signal chain by me again? > > Also: do you have a gain control on each side of your amp, or at least a > pan? > > Thanx, > > -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 16:19:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26030; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:18:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:18:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8D1ECA.EB8B01CA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:16:49 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Your MP3s References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5w2muB.A.qUG.t7Rj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! I've got a few more little things to post. Should be soon. ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hey Mark, > > I'm on my 2nd pass through listening to the MP3s that > I downloaded from you site last night. Nice! I'm enjoying > them very much. Thanks for letting the list know about > them. > > Best, > > Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 16:20:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26399; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:19:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:19:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:10:34 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: chicagoidm@yahoogroups.com Cc: chi-improv@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gigspam: craque shows on the horizon Message-ID: <20020311151034.A22592@ratamacue.sounding.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com howdy fellow music makers... craque is on the scene with loopy beats and improvised dreamscapes: - TONIGHT, Monday, March 11 Abstract Sessions @ Smartbar Live Craque One of the best 'intelligent' dance music nights in Chicago brings in Synesthesia residents for a night of cool tunes and visual delights. DJ Dumb American will also be spinning IDM and techno. 10p-4a, 21+, $2 http://www.metrochicago.com - Thursday, March 14 Synesthesia @ BigWig Live Craque "Laptop Seduction" - Heavy Petting / Craque 9p-2a, 21+, $5 - Craque will probably be on first from 9-11 http://www.synesthesiachicago.com feel free to email me with any questions about the shows! ::mrd (aka Craque) http://craque.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 16:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26790; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:22:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:22:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:21:58 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Repeater MIDI controller question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C8D1BD0.4C10B4BA@ernieball.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greetings my loopaz, i recently purchased an electrix repeater (by the way, this is an unbelievable machine!)...and i'm working with a 3 switch digitech foot switch to access my record/play/overdub, play/stop, and undo/redo functions. now this is all great and dandy, but as a live musician, i need the ability to access all of the commands found on the front panel...wherein comes the MIDI controller. i've been sifting through the archives trying several different search topics, but can't seem to find what i'm looking for... what is the cheapest and best (i realize that those 2 contradict each other) MIDI controller to use with this unit? i'm not looking to have a controller for anything but the repeater. i pretty much need something that will allow me to access most to all of the repeaters functions, but i do not have an elaborate setup of gear...pretty much just my bass into a few stomp boxes, then to the repeater...and hence, i don't need to spend extra cash to get capabilities that i have no use for currently. as always, any and all help is appreciated! swimming in the loop pool, e va n|s sa b evanmeyers@yahoo.com ps. any new york musicians looking to get together and jam, drop me a line privately. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 16:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27934; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:37:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 21:37:39.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[F80D39E0:01C1C944] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the current consensus is the behringer box, at around $129. Right guys? I'm waiting for mine to arrive, but from the looks of it's manuals, it's a powerful beast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: Repeater MIDI controller question > greetings my loopaz, > > i recently purchased an electrix repeater (by the way, > this is an unbelievable machine!)...and i'm working > with a 3 switch digitech foot switch to access my > record/play/overdub, play/stop, and undo/redo > functions. now this is all great and dandy, but as a > live musician, i need the ability to access all of the > commands found on the front panel...wherein comes the > MIDI controller. > > i've been sifting through the archives trying several > different search topics, but can't seem to find what > i'm looking for... > > what is the cheapest and best (i realize that those 2 > contradict each other) MIDI controller to use with > this unit? i'm not looking to have a controller for > anything but the repeater. i pretty much need > something that will allow me to access most to all of > the repeaters functions, but i do not have an > elaborate setup of gear...pretty much just my bass > into a few stomp boxes, then to the repeater...and > hence, i don't need to spend extra cash to get > capabilities that i have no use for currently. > > as always, any and all help is appreciated! > > swimming in the loop pool, > e va n|s sa b > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > ps. any new york musicians looking to get together and > jam, drop me a line privately. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 17:06:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31120; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:04:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: JamMan Upgrade (FadeOut function for EDP?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I usually want to fade in 20-30 secs, irregardless of loop length. > >WOW! I could never figure out why I thought feedback never seemed >to work the way I wanted on the EDP - especially on long loops. Now >I realize that this is what I had secretly been wishing it would do. > >>I'd love to see a midi command for the EDP that would do that. > >me too... >Jon Since the output of the EDP is controlled by the CODEC and has only 6bits resolution, the fade may not turn out satisfactory. And its too late for this upgrade anyway. Yes, in a future version we thought of automatic fades and cross fades. But imagine that if you simply fade the FB at a certain speed, you still dont get a certain lenth of output fade. It takes some calculation to aproximate the fade speed - certainly interesting to do... But try the new ReplaceMode (a new value for Loop/Delay in Loop4): It reverses the sequence of FB control and output, in some way. Its as if you control the volume and the FB simultaneously. As a result, you immediately hear the reduction. Its still not what you say here but may help to find the FB value you want. I got used to it: delicate FB reductions for short loops and heavy reductions for long loops... in fact I often reduce the loop lengh before I fade out. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 17:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32198; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:19:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:19:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:19:05 -0800 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: MSP/ soft loopers? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/11/02 12:33 PM, Paul Buelow at paul@webms.com wrote: > Please share more about what your doing with MSP - for mac from > http://www.cycling74.com > > I want to use Max/MSP or a VST plugin or plugo or absolutely any another > software tool for pc/mac to act as a looping sampler? > > thanks - Paul I use VST plugins all the time from within MSP, current favorites are Waves Audiotrack, anything PSP especially Vintage Warmer, Absynth a bit. In Pluggo 3 you will be able to use Pluggo Plugins from inside MSP, which is something I'm really looking forward to live, I like mangling things with Pluggos. Max gives me the ability to be able to map external controllers to various parameters of the plugins (I haven't got Waveshell to work yet though).I also do all effects routing, sample playing, video playback, and MIDI control of Orville from Max.As far as actual DSP goes, apart from the VSTs, I pretty much leave all that up to my Orville. It seems to me quite tricky to get MSP to sound really good, and if you do you invariably chew up processor power. I'm a big believer in putting lots of eggs into many different baskets when it comes to DSP, with too many plugins and god knows what else running at the same time latency tends to go all to hell. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 17:22:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32603; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:21:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:19:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think the current consensus is the behringer box, at around $129. Right >guys? > >I'm waiting for mine to arrive, but from the looks of it's manuals, it's a >powerful beast. > > > what is the cheapest and best (i realize that those 2 >> contradict each other) MIDI controller to use with > > this unit? I've just been digging further down into the Repeater lately, controlling it with the Behringer FCB 1010. Pretty nice combination for the money, IMO. Nobody has got a pedal in that price range that can do as much. The combination of the Repeater's midi implementation and the Behringer works pretty well, especially if the Repeater is the ONLY beast you're controlling. This is due to the fact that the midi channel of the CC's (2), program changes (5) and the expression pedals (2) that the 1010 can send need to be setup GLOBALLY. this kindof sucks, since you might want the expression pedals to control one unit on one patch, but another unit on another patch. No can do on the 1010. If expression pedal 1 is setup to transmit on midi channel 2, then it's ALWAYS going out on channel 2, no matter what preset. that being said, if the Repeater is the only thing you're controlling, assign EVERYTHING to the appropriate midi channel and start programming! (your feet may be sore from the tap dancing you will have to do to program this thing, but at least your back won't be. once the GLOBAL setup is done, you can program it totally from foot presses. no bending over... Controlling the Repeater with the 1010 is super cool. If you get a newer unit, or can download the web update onto EPROM, you can also (supposedly) copy patches, which would cut down the tap dancing considerably. My setup is currently only using Patch Bank 00 and 01, for the moment, and the other patch banks are coming along as i get more comfortable with the unit. It looks like this bank 00 pedal 1: record/overdub pedal 2: play pedal 3: stop pedal 4: undo pedal 5: reverse pedal 6: record track select - scrolls through 1-4 pedal 7: loop select (down) pedal 8: loop select (up) pedal 9: multiply x2 pedal 10: loop erase exp pedal 1: overdub feedback exp pedal 2: pitch/time (down) pedal all the way forward = normal pitch, anything back from that takes pitch and time down, down, down, like a digitech rds/pds thing...it's nice that when you just slam the thing forward, everything comes back into pitch. you don't have to guess. also, my play button also has a CC command to bring it back to pitch, too. so if you are doing something whacked pitch wise, you can hit one button and you're back to normal. note: playing with this pitch/time bend function via the exp pedal, whilst playing with track pitch via the front panel leads to some VERY disorientating effects! bank 01 pedal 1: record/overdub pedal 2: play pedal 3: stop pedal 4: undo pedal 5: reverse pedal 6: jamman fade medium pedal 7: jamman fade long pedal 8: jamman cue loop 1 pedal 9: jamman cue loop 2 pedal 10: loop erase exp pedals: not implemented.....yet! so, a hearty recommendation for the behringer/repeater combo. i am really trying to get into the meat of this setup. it holds some very cool potential. one of my recent favorites is to setup a backing drone on one track, switch to a new track and start playing. stay in record/overdub and turn the feedback down to 0 with the exp pedal. Now the drone continues, but you only get ONE repeat of the phrase you just played last, and next time around, you will hear what you what you are playing....well....NOW. and so on and so on. ps. i originally thought that the overdub feedback thing was global, that all tracks would fade... not so! how freaking cool is that to have controllable feedback across 4 seperate tracks! pss. this is a deliberate crib of what i gleaned from watching Matthias play at loopstock. it's a great way to duet with yourself, but not get caught into a 'static' loop. each time through, it changes! reminds me a bit of the back and forth 'trading solos' of Tabla players. The Repeater does have a Multiply x2 function. If there was a easy way to 'trim x2', or something like that, you could really get into that Tabla solo trade thing, since they trade solos of 16 bars, then 8 bars, then 4, then 2, then 1, then 1/2, and so on... I haven't figured out an easy way to do that in a button push, but i'll keep trying! sorry for the long read, best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 17:29:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00912; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8D2F90.72796D08@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:28:23 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was unsatisfied with the Rolls MidiWizard and the Yamaha MIDI Controller. I've heard good things about the Behringer, and it's cheaper than the Rolls or the Yamaha at $129. It should be here sometime this week, I'll post a review when I check it out. Mark Sottilaro Evan Meyers wrote: > greetings my loopaz, > > i recently purchased an electrix repeater (by the way, > this is an unbelievable machine!)...and i'm working > with a 3 switch digitech foot switch to access my > record/play/overdub, play/stop, and undo/redo > functions. now this is all great and dandy, but as a > live musician, i need the ability to access all of the > commands found on the front panel...wherein comes the > MIDI controller. > > i've been sifting through the archives trying several > different search topics, but can't seem to find what > i'm looking for... > > what is the cheapest and best (i realize that those 2 > contradict each other) MIDI controller to use with > this unit? i'm not looking to have a controller for > anything but the repeater. i pretty much need > something that will allow me to access most to all of > the repeaters functions, but i do not have an > elaborate setup of gear...pretty much just my bass > into a few stomp boxes, then to the repeater...and > hence, i don't need to spend extra cash to get > capabilities that i have no use for currently. > > as always, any and all help is appreciated! > > swimming in the loop pool, > e va n|s sa b > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > ps. any new york musicians looking to get together and > jam, drop me a line privately. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 17:31:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01256; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:29:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:29:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:28:59 +1100 Subject: Re: MSP/ soft loopers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Keith Lang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have you looked at LIVE by ableton? I think its exactly what you are looking for. Also coming up soon will be radial by cycling74. http://www.ableton.com -Keith On Tuesday, March 12, 2002, at 09:19 AM, Andrew Pask wrote: > on 3/11/02 12:33 PM, Paul Buelow at paul@webms.com wrote: > >> Please share more about what your doing with MSP - for mac from >> http://www.cycling74.com >> >> I want to use Max/MSP or a VST plugin or plugo or absolutely any >> another >> software tool for pc/mac to act as a looping sampler? >> >> thanks - Paul > > I use VST plugins all the time from within MSP, current favorites are > Waves > Audiotrack, anything PSP especially Vintage Warmer, Absynth a bit. In > Pluggo > 3 you will be able to use Pluggo Plugins from inside MSP, which is > something > I'm really looking forward to live, I like mangling things with Pluggos. > Max gives me the ability to be able to map external controllers to > various > parameters of the plugins (I haven't got Waveshell to work yet though).I > also do all effects routing, sample playing, video playback, and MIDI > control of Orville from Max.As far as actual DSP goes, apart from the > VSTs, > I pretty much leave all that up to my Orville. It seems to me quite > tricky > to get MSP to sound really good, and if you do you invariably chew up > processor power. I'm a big believer in putting lots of eggs into many > different baskets when it comes to DSP, with too many plugins and god > knows > what else running at the same time latency tends to go all to hell. > > Cheers > > Andrew > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 17:38:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02178; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004401c1c928$7c767f60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <16e.a0c7977.29bdd4b3@aol.com> <004401c1c928$7c767f60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:36:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4UGG9B.A.mg.gGTj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks Andy- so how do you add to the delay while it is still muted muted >and in a Hold state? As for the input mute that wouldn't work for me as the >EDP is not in an Aux. In Delaymode, a connected pedal controls the input. Not when in Hold, though. So you may have to control the FB at the front and input with the pedal... > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:36 AM >Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > > >> So with loop4, you go into Mute from hold, and your loop is preserved. >> Leave Mute with another press of Mute, and you're back in Hold. >> Leave Mute with Overdub(cancels Hold) and you can overdub on your loop >> straight away. >> >> With Loop3, you can use a "Feedback pedal" to control input volume while >in >> Delay Mode, or plug in a latching footswitch to the Feedback socket for an >> Input Mute. >> >> Andy Butler. >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 17:45:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02942; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:44:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c1c91c$170dc450$47f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <3C8D0D5B.10992168@ernieball.com> <3C8D1BD0.4C10B4BA@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: edp volume query Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:45:01 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com taking the outs from the edp with a Y cable defeats the purpose of having the loop on one side, which is the way i use it half of the time. sometimes i want the edp on both sides, other times i just want it on one (use the other side for a live feed). the edp is definitely quieter...too quiet. before i stuck it in my rack, i was using it with another amp. even then the input was super-sensitive and the maxed output was still a big drop in volume compared to my signal path with the edp removed. i didn't have this problem with my akai headrush. the edp is so much better than the akai...can't even compare the quality but i can't understand why the edp has such a big pad on it. with my akai, there was no difference in volume with the unit in the path. not so with the edp. i would think it would be transparent, volume-wise. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 17:53:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03983; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:52:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:52:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:51:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 22:51:33.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A7CD960:01C1C94F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The combination of the Repeater's midi implementation and the > Behringer works pretty well, especially if the Repeater is the ONLY > beast you're controlling. This is due to the fact that the midi > channel of the CC's (2), program changes (5) and the expression > pedals (2) that the 1010 can send need to be setup GLOBALLY. this > kindof sucks, since you might want the expression pedals to control > one unit on one patch, but another unit on another patch. No can do > on the 1010. :< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 18:01:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05909; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:00:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:00:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:59:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 22:59:08.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[59DA2600:01C1C950] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The combination of the Repeater's midi implementation and the > Behringer works pretty well, especially if the Repeater is the ONLY > beast you're controlling. This is due to the fact that the midi > channel of the CC's (2), program changes (5) and the expression > pedals (2) that the 1010 can send need to be setup GLOBALLY. this > kindof sucks, since you might want the expression pedals to control > one unit on one patch, but another unit on another patch. No can do > on the 1010. If expression pedal 1 is setup to transmit on midi > channel 2, then it's ALWAYS going out on channel 2, no matter what > preset. > Let's all email behringer support and ask for message defineable midi channels. support@behringer.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 18:06:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06374; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:04:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:04:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c1c91e$ddafc390$47f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <17e.4d38cb5.29be01da@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020311104352.0565e2b0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: edp volume query Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:04:53 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the build date on mine is 3-15-2001, so it's not quite a year old. the builder was either P.M. or P.H. i'll test the resistors this evening. i really don't want to have to send it in for a repair that should've been taken care of already... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 18:40:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08738; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:39:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:39:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <120.c9b5bbd.29be9a29@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:39:21 EST Subject: Re: edp volume query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kf, thanks for re-posting the below. burst, dt / splattercell >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 > >If you are handy with a soldering iron you could probably do it yourself. > >Or better, if you are handy with an ohmmeter you could check whether the > >resistors in your unit match with what is described in the mod. Then you > >will know if you need to do the mod or not. Otherwise, you should contact > >Gibson's service department and get them to fix it. I believe Shane Radtke > >is the person you want for that. his contact info is on the LD site at >the >bottom of the echoplex section: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 18:44:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09134; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:43:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:43:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <122.d93d271.29be9ae0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:42:24 EST Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <3OK06B.A.EOC.HEUj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: >I think the current consensus is the behringer box, at around $129. Right >guys? i don't know about a consensus, but i'm happily using the standard footswitch, and a midiman oxygen8 (or a peavey pc1600). best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 18:48:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09628; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:47:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:47:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:46:05 EST Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >sorry for the long read, no, it's all good! but, i'm surprised that you haven't explored re-pitching individual tracks (or the whole loop) in your midi setup, and keeping the timing constant..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 19:16:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13326; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:15:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8D47F5.2CABE986@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:12:36 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great set from Mr. DT-SC on KCRW this morning (but all too brief, in my mind.) Had a '70s Miles David vibe to it in many places, I thought (and in that context, the one chromatic descending chord figure in the one tune reminded me of "John McLaughlin..." a deliberate quote?) What a mother of a rhythm section, too. (Fima's tone...!!!) Dumb techniqe question here: Sounded to me like one of the first loops in there was a brief EDP loop spun off a single note, then tweaked with some unquantized insertmode=replace action. Am I somewhat close? (Yeah, I'm a trainspotter.) For those who missed it, check out http://www.kcrw.org to hear the live archive. Great to hear you playing again, Mr. Torn! (And good news to hear about the forthcoming Splattercell album, probably on Razor and Tie...) --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 19:33:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14555; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:32:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:32:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:29:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >sorry for the long read, >no, it's all good! >but, i'm surprised that you haven't explored re-pitching individual tracks >(or the whole loop) in your midi setup, and keeping the timing constant..... >best, >dt / splattercell dt, yah, i had it setup that way when i first got into it, but the repitching to my ear has WAY too may artifacts and strangeness to it. the only way i really can handle it is if the original track is running and you take the same track, and resample/pitch it alongside the original (or repitch a 'new' track). Like a droning note and repitch the second one to a 3rd, 5th, etc...The sound quality of the original at least masks some of the artifacts... at least to me it does. also, if i was going to repitch a track, i'd much rather assign the pitch transpose to a CC number and then just stomp on one of the pedal switches and have it go straight to the new pitch, rather than the exp pedal. or do it from the front panel. the dive bomb downpitch thang is for the wierd stuffs and texturalizing. thinking just off the top of my head, i would say that repitching stuff with the tempo changes sounds a bit more 'natural' to me? and a bit more interesting? the ability to repitch without tempo changes is such a revolutionary concept, and i think it's being used quite liberally...at least in some techno/dance stuff i've heard. To me, it's got a bit of a 'fat boy slim' stigma to it, y'know? like i hear it, and i say "ahhhh, repitching without tempo changes....ok." not that it can't be used in neat and original ways...and i'm sure you've figured out numerous ways to bend and tweak with it, david! just my 2 cents off the cuff. also, the stuff that the Repeater has been used for has been mostly ambient soundscapes and drones. once i lock onto a beat, i'll want that constant timing thing.... i'm sure i will implement that feature in another bank of the behringer pedal as i get better with the unit and want more features. Coming from using a Jamman, i've tried to make this unit my 'dream Jamman', which for all intents and purposes, IT IS....and more. I'm just keeping the 'and more' part to a minimum for the moment! kindof like my guitar teacher telling me 'stay in position!', where as i tend to wander a bit sometimes, overwhelm myself with possibilities, and get a bit lost. (and getting lost isn't always a bad thing, for sure. it's just a bit more fun when you at least think you know the way back!) ....your idea of using an Oxygen controller is quite sweet, since you could use controller knobs to tweak, but also use the keys to 'play' the loops, too. cool! best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 20:42:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19013; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:41:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:41:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8D5C67.FE7DE3D9@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:39:51 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Digitech Jam-Man style GNX3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone played with their Digitech GNX3 at all? On board 8 track recorder with up to 25 minutes recording time as well as the following from the the FAQ Can the recorder function as a looper? After entering loop mode, each of the recorder's 8 tracks can be looped and layered just as a traditional looper. With the power of 8 separate loops and expandable external memory, the GNX3 might just be the most powerful looping device available. Once you stop the loop function, all the audio remains in tact on the SmartMedia™ card-or in the internal memory for further development later. How long of a loop can be used? The length of the loop is determined by the length of the first loop you record. Each subsequent layer or loop will automatically fit the length of the first loop. The length of the first loop only depends on available memory-from milliseconds to hours. ...from milliseconds to HOURS!!!! I'm curious about how the interface works and how much flex you really have in how you loop, but this sounds promising. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 21:52:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23562; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:51:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020311085204.006ff0e0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:52:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: edp volume query - My 2 Cents In-Reply-To: <006701c1c91e$ddafc390$47f8c440@g0wn7> References: <17e.4d38cb5.29be01da@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020311104352.0565e2b0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My 2 cents. I love my Oberheim EDP. However, I think the developers should concentrate initially on building a unit that does all the no brainer stuff well - input/output vol, even, predictable fade on feedback, stereo???, etc,etc. Then, add the cool bells and whistles. It's like Fender making a Pro Reverb and the reverb is weak and wimpy - or doesn't work at all. M... At 05:04 PM 3/11/02 -0000, you wrote: >the build date on mine is 3-15-2001, so it's not quite a year old. the >builder was either P.M. or P.H. i'll test the resistors this evening. i >really don't want to have to send it in for a repair that should've been >taken care of already... > >-jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 22:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25501; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:07:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:07:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:06:43 -0500 Subject: Re: edp volume query - My 2 Cents Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my edp is great...such a useful tool. i do appreciate the unit and everyone who has had a hand in its development. this input/output situation is just a nuissance. one would imagine the unit would be designed to be placed within any signal path, regardless of dB level. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 22:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26311; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:19:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:19:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:21:28 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: midiman oxygen8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011b01c1c974$ff9aaa00$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <122.d93d271.29be9ae0@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <87-2qB.A.EZG.sOXj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody on the list have any comments on the Midiman Oxygen8? I was about to buy one, then I read a bunch of negative reviews ... they complained about sticky keys and shoddy construction. Still looks like a cool unit ... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question > ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: > > >I think the current consensus is the behringer box, at around $129. Right > >guys? > i don't know about a consensus, but i'm happily using the standard > footswitch, and a midiman oxygen8 (or a peavey pc1600). > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 22:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27204; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:29:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:29:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311192026.056b65a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:24:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp volume query - My 2 Cents In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:06 PM 3/11/2002, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >my edp is great...such a useful tool. i do appreciate >the unit and everyone who has had a hand in its >development. this input/output situation is just a >nuissance. one would imagine the unit would be >designed to be placed within any signal path, >regardless of dB level. > >-jim Did you not even read my mail earlier today???? your unit is BROKEN. it is nothing to do with the design of the EDP, because a correctly built EDP does not have the problems you are having. It sucks that you bought a new unit that had a problem, but that's where you are. you have two options that I can see: 1. get it fixed. 2. live with it broken. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 22:33:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27735; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:32:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:32:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT:Anyone tape Torn show today? Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:32:58 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01c1c976$9b15b6e0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1C933.8CF276E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1C933.8CF276E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone tape Torn on the radio? 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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1C933.8CF276E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 22:38:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28178; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:37:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:37:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <44.1c6b2e4f.29bed1b7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:36:23 EST Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <3qVkGC.A.l2G.afXj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, Thanks for reminding the list of Mr. Torn's broadcast. I just finished listening to the archived RealAudio of it. Wow! What an amazing, refreshing, furious and beautiful dose of audio Draino. I'm continually astounded at every turn of DT's creative output. Again, wow! Jeeeeze, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 22:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28896; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:52:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:52:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020311095256.007050f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:52:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus In-Reply-To: <3C8D47F5.2CABE986@altruistmusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool d/t. Thanks. M.... At 04:12 PM 3/11/02 -0800, you wrote: >Great set from Mr. DT-SC on KCRW this morning (but all too brief, in my >mind.) Had a '70s Miles David vibe to it in many places, I thought (and >in that context, the one chromatic descending chord figure in the one >tune reminded me of "John McLaughlin..." a deliberate quote?) > >What a mother of a rhythm section, too. (Fima's tone...!!!) > >Dumb techniqe question here: Sounded to me like one of the first loops >in there was a brief EDP loop spun off a single note, then tweaked with >some unquantized insertmode=replace action. Am I somewhat close? >(Yeah, I'm a trainspotter.) > >For those who missed it, check out http://www.kcrw.org to hear the live archive. > >Great to hear you playing again, Mr. Torn! (And good news to hear about >the forthcoming Splattercell album, probably on Razor and Tie...) > >--Andre > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 23:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32562; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:43:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:43:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <185.4e55f54.29bee11e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:42:06 EST Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a, >Great set from Mr. DT-SC on KCRW this morning (but all too brief, in my >mind.) thanks, dude --- i was pretty nervous about playing this thing..... been in studios so much, working assiduously on lotsa other folks' stuff, etc etc..... >Had a '70s Miles David vibe to it in many places, right..... semi-consciously trying to git back to my don cherry/ecm roots, a bit..... >I thought (and >in that context, the one chromatic descending chord figure in the one >tune reminded me of "John McLaughlin..." a deliberate quote?) .....nope, it just kinda happened! >What a mother of a rhythm section, too. (Fima's tone...!!!) fima's a funkyfunky dude..... and ben was *really* fun to play with! >Dumb techniqe question here: Sounded to me like one of the first loops >in there was a brief EDP loop spun off a single note, then tweaked with >some unquantized insertmode=replace action. Am I somewhat close? >(Yeah, I'm a trainspotter.) yeah; i used that at least a few times, i think --- couldn't seem to get the edp output to be quite loud enough, sometimes, though..... getta get this broke-thing fixed, i guess..... 8-( (the repeater re-pitching/hyperfast-re-triggering elements shoulda been pretty prominent; at least, they certainly were onstage.....) >For those who missed it, check out http://www.kcrw.org to hear the live >archive. >Great to hear you playing again, Mr. Torn! (And good news to hear about >the forthcoming Splattercell album, probably on Razor and Tie...) thanks much, and thanks again..... best, dt / splattracell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 23:47:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00302; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:46:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:46:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.23bdca93.29bee1e6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:45:26 EST Subject: Re: midiman oxygen8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dlawren@pacbell.net writes: >I was about to buy one, then I read a bunch of negative reviews ... they >complained about sticky keys and shoddy construction. well, it's not exactly built very *well*: but, i'm gettting a lot of use from it: small, light, assignable cc's, etc. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 11 23:54:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00654; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:53:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:53:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:52:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Repeater upgrade horror story Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finely got around to applying the 1.1 upgrade to my Repeater, and it had a complete meltdown. After copying the upgrade to my CFC, and starting up the Repeater, the upgrade seems to be going properly. It got through the Verify phase, and then the countdown installation phase, but it never reached the final phase when it "signs on" with the Repeater 1.1 display, it just all goes blank. I've tried to apply the upgrade several times with more or less the same results. So now that I have an unusable Repeater is there anything I can do other than sending it back? Thanks, Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 00:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02676; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:11:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:11:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:01:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <185.4e55f54.29bee11e@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a way besides Real Audio to hear this? I swore I wouldn't put that on my machine, its caused grief in the past. _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:42 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus > > > a, > >Great set from Mr. DT-SC on KCRW this morning (but all too brief, in my > >mind.) > thanks, dude --- i was pretty nervous about playing this > thing..... been in > studios so much, working assiduously on lotsa other folks' stuff, > etc etc..... > > >Had a '70s Miles David vibe to it in many places, > right..... semi-consciously trying to git back to my don > cherry/ecm roots, a > bit..... > > >I thought (and > >in that context, the one chromatic descending chord figure in the one > >tune reminded me of "John McLaughlin..." a deliberate quote?) > .....nope, it just kinda happened! > > >What a mother of a rhythm section, too. (Fima's tone...!!!) > fima's a funkyfunky dude..... > and ben was *really* fun to play with! > > >Dumb techniqe question here: Sounded to me like one of the first loops > >in there was a brief EDP loop spun off a single note, then tweaked with > >some unquantized insertmode=replace action. Am I somewhat close? > >(Yeah, I'm a trainspotter.) > yeah; i used that at least a few times, i think --- couldn't seem > to get the > edp output to be quite loud enough, sometimes, though..... getta get this > broke-thing fixed, i guess..... > 8-( > > (the repeater re-pitching/hyperfast-re-triggering elements shoulda been > pretty prominent; at least, they certainly were onstage.....) > > >For those who missed it, check out http://www.kcrw.org to hear the live > >archive. > >Great to hear you playing again, Mr. Torn! (And good news to hear about > >the forthcoming Splattercell album, probably on Razor and Tie...) > thanks much, and thanks again..... > best, > dt / splattracell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 00:17:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03298; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:16:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:16:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:16:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Repeater upgrade horror story Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4A7BE8AA-3578-11D6-9E9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com settle down sonny boy, it's probably not that bad. Your OS must have gotten corrupted somewhere along the line. Re download it, and try again. There's nothing that's melted in your Repeater. I bet it will all be fine. Mark On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 08:52 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > > I finely got around to applying the 1.1 upgrade to my Repeater, and it > had a complete meltdown. After copying the upgrade to my CFC, and > starting up the Repeater, the upgrade seems to be going properly. It > got through the Verify phase, and then the countdown installation > phase, but it never reached the final phase when it "signs on" with the > Repeater 1.1 display, it just all goes blank. > > I've tried to apply the upgrade several times with more or less the > same results. > > So now that I have an unusable Repeater is there anything I can do > other than sending it back? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between > cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 00:19:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03555; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:18:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:17:47 -0800 Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7D73F95E-3578-11D6-9E9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EXACTLY! I HATE REALPLAYER! Does it really give you anything that mp3s or quicktime doesn't already? Damn, Windows Media player is better! Mark On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 09:01 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Is there a way besides Real Audio to hear this? I swore I wouldn't put > that > on my machine, its caused grief in the past. > > > > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ > _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ > _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] >> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:42 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus >> >> >> a, >>> Great set from Mr. DT-SC on KCRW this morning (but all too brief, in >>> my >>> mind.) >> thanks, dude --- i was pretty nervous about playing this >> thing..... been in >> studios so much, working assiduously on lotsa other folks' stuff, >> etc etc..... >> >>> Had a '70s Miles David vibe to it in many places, >> right..... semi-consciously trying to git back to my don >> cherry/ecm roots, a >> bit..... >> >>> I thought (and >>> in that context, the one chromatic descending chord figure in the one >>> tune reminded me of "John McLaughlin..." a deliberate quote?) >> .....nope, it just kinda happened! >> >>> What a mother of a rhythm section, too. (Fima's tone...!!!) >> fima's a funkyfunky dude..... >> and ben was *really* fun to play with! >> >>> Dumb techniqe question here: Sounded to me like one of the first loops >>> in there was a brief EDP loop spun off a single note, then tweaked >>> with >>> some unquantized insertmode=replace action. Am I somewhat close? >>> (Yeah, I'm a trainspotter.) >> yeah; i used that at least a few times, i think --- couldn't seem >> to get the >> edp output to be quite loud enough, sometimes, though..... getta get >> this >> broke-thing fixed, i guess..... >> 8-( >> >> (the repeater re-pitching/hyperfast-re-triggering elements shoulda been >> pretty prominent; at least, they certainly were onstage.....) >> >>> For those who missed it, check out http://www.kcrw.org to hear the >>> live >>> archive. >>> Great to hear you playing again, Mr. Torn! (And good news to hear >>> about >>> the forthcoming Splattercell album, probably on Razor and Tie...) >> thanks much, and thanks again..... >> best, >> dt / splattracell >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 00:42:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04723; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8D943E.E84A2AEE@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:38:05 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus References: <185.4e55f54.29bee11e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O Mr. D-Cell, > (the repeater re-pitching/hyperfast-re-triggering elements shoulda been > pretty prominent; at least, they certainly were onstage.....) Hmmmm. This I wasn't so quick to hear... the high melodies that were played, esp. at the beginning of the second improv? But I don't hear any hyperfast retriggering-type-things... but then again, I'm no expert when it comes to Repeater trainspotting... Am I missin' it? Hmmmm. --Head-scratchin' Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 01:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06997; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.30.37] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:06:15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2002 06:06:15.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[0500FDC0:01C1C98C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! I am listening to the archive recording of dt's show! AMAZING...very inspiring stuff, Mr. Scatterdude! Think I might have to drop this into Soundforge or something and burn it off.... Say, is Fima looping, too? Max (that ecstatic dude) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 02:02:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10353; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 02:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 02:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:00:59 -0800 Subject: Brian Kenny Fresno Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1045446238 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C8D943E.E84A2AEE@altruistmusic.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--1045446238 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hey Gang, If you've not heard the master Warr guitar/JamMan stylist Brian Kenny Fresno (think Frank Zappa meets Beck on Warr guitar), I just got this email from him. It's spam, I guess, but too good to keep to myself: > From: "Brian Kenney Fresno" > Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 08:56:34 PM US/Pacific > To: > Subject: BKF FILLMORE SHOW THIS SATURDAY ok, so it's the poster room, > but it's at THE FILLMORE!!! > > HAY!! > how you are is how you feel- or the other way around, but i am real good > freinds, real good. > hope your all up into the same. > fresno is delite full this time of year, i wish you could all come stay > hear > at the burnin J ranch, but it would overload the outhouse. > > this SATURDAY the 16th i'll be at the FILLMORE in the lounge before the > Keller Williams show. > thats in FRISCO.. > he plays fancy giutar and sings songs, and has hippy kids with the > chronic > probably follow him arownd and stuff, camping on his lawn and hawking > veggie > sandwitches. > > also, mark these on your'e calender > THURS MARCH 28TH at the HOTEL UTAH in FRISCO W/ GOOFERMAN > my 1irst time ever their, so plaese turn out in force with your loud > shirts > and your'e fresno voices! > > FRI MARCH 29TH at the STORK CLUB W/ RUBE WADDELL and MORE! SURPRISES! > CELEBERITEES! > S'been two long not playin the STORK -come on out for a hoedown with the > rubes and fresno and xmas in march! > > SAT MARCH 30TH at the STARRY PLOW W/ SPLATTER TRIO" and BASSLINE DADA. > hope to be seeing all of you up into their soon! > > soon, ok starting write now, i'm cullecting stories abowt FRESNO! > > that's write! > if you have a FRESNO story,(and everybuddy SEEMS to), plaese right it > to me > in a email! > y'alls have been comin outta the woodwork at shows tellin me about > you're > family in FRESNO, and your're ex girlfreind/boyfreind was from FRESNO > and > you're meth dealer is in FRESNO, and you're well, now, gettting you are > the > picture... > your cousin in prison in corcoran don't count unless he's from FRESNO. > THINK EPICK!!!! > > if you ain't have no fresno story, feel free to right abowt me, brian > kenney > FRESNO in the largest of larger than life ways ,how i've touched your > life > etc. > i guess i should make this some kinda contest, wear the top 100 story's > will > be pubelished in my upcoming book, written by all of you! > be sure to sign away all write of aouthurship, so you won't feel bad > when i > steal it anyway. > I AM TOTALLY SERIOS FOLKS, get the jump on L.A. now while you have the > chance, quick- their not looking...! > > much love to my homies, (thanks tarik) > brian kenney fresno > and when you see me on the street, yell "FRESNO!" > http://www.bonghitrecords.com > So I for one will be at the Fillmore show. This is a must see for one and all. Mark Sottlaro --Apple-Mail-1--1045446238 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hey Gang, If you've not heard the master Warr guitar/JamMan stylist Brian Kenny Fresno (think Frank Zappa meets Beck on Warr guitar), I just got this email from him. It's spam, I guess, but too good to keep to myself: From: "Brian Kenney Fresno" < Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 08:56:34 PM US/Pacific To: < Subject: BKF FILLMORE SHOW THIS SATURDAY ok, so it's the poster room, but it's at THE FILLMORE!!! HAY!! how you are is how you feel- or the other way around, but i am real good freinds, real good. hope your all up into the same. fresno is delite full this time of year, i wish you could all come stay hear at the burnin J ranch, but it would overload the outhouse. this SATURDAY the 16th i'll be at the FILLMORE in the lounge before the Keller Williams show. thats in FRISCO.. he plays fancy giutar and sings songs, and has hippy kids with the chronic probably follow him arownd and stuff, camping on his lawn and hawking veggie sandwitches. also, mark these on your'e calender THURS MARCH 28TH at the HOTEL UTAH in FRISCO W/ GOOFERMAN my 1irst time ever their, so plaese turn out in force with your loud shirts and your'e fresno voices! FRI MARCH 29TH at the STORK CLUB W/ RUBE WADDELL and MORE! SURPRISES! CELEBERITEES! S'been two long not playin the STORK -come on out for a hoedown with the rubes and fresno and xmas in march! SAT MARCH 30TH at the STARRY PLOW W/ SPLATTER TRIO" and BASSLINE DADA. hope to be seeing all of you up into their soon! soon, ok starting write now, i'm cullecting stories abowt FRESNO! that's write! if you have a FRESNO story,(and everybuddy SEEMS to), plaese right it to me in a email! y'alls have been comin outta the woodwork at shows tellin me about you're family in FRESNO, and your're ex girlfreind/boyfreind was from FRESNO and you're meth dealer is in FRESNO, and you're well, now, gettting you are the picture... your cousin in prison in corcoran don't count unless he's from FRESNO. THINK EPICK!!!! if you ain't have no fresno story, feel free to right abowt me, brian kenney FRESNO in the largest of larger than life ways ,how i've touched your life etc. i guess i should make this some kinda contest, wear the top 100 story's will be pubelished in my upcoming book, written by all of you! be sure to sign away all write of aouthurship, so you won't feel bad when i steal it anyway. I AM TOTALLY SERIOS FOLKS, get the jump on L.A. now while you have the chance, quick- their not looking...! much love to my homies, (thanks tarik) brian kenney fresno and when you see me on the street, yell "FRESNO!" 1A1A,1A1A,FFFFhttp://www.bonghitrecords.com So I for one will be at the Fillmore show. This is a must see for one and all. Mark Sottlaro --Apple-Mail-1--1045446238-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 03:41:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15312; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:40:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:40:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.1c8b5324.29bf18a1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:38:57 EST Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks Andy- so how do you add to the delay while it is still muted muted > and in a Hold state? As for the input mute that wouldn't work for me as the > EDP is not in an Aux. > > Cliff When you're in Delay Mode go into Mute ...and in Loop3 you can always add to the loop ...in Loop4 you can add to the loop if you're not in Hold (overdub LED=red) when you go to Mute. In Delay Mode the "feedback" pedal controls the input to the loop, the dry signal is unaffected. So you'll be able to use it with your set up as described. andy butler (apologies for last post being sent twice) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 03:59:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15994; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:58:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:58:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:57:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1c9a4$003e7fc0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6a.1c8b5324.29bf18a1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahhh- cool! Thanks Andy- I didn't realize the foot controller worked that way in delay mode- nice. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > Thanks Andy- so how do you add to the delay while it is still muted muted > and in a Hold state? As for the input mute that wouldn't work for me as the > EDP is not in an Aux. > > Cliff When you're in Delay Mode go into Mute ...and in Loop3 you can always add to the loop ...in Loop4 you can add to the loop if you're not in Hold (overdub LED=red) when you go to Mute. In Delay Mode the "feedback" pedal controls the input to the loop, the dry signal is unaffected. So you'll be able to use it with your set up as described. andy butler (apologies for last post being sent twice) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 03:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16007; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:58:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c1c9a3$e8aeb320$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <7D73F95E-3578-11D6-9E9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Real Woes - Was: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:57:14 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep. Now that Real/AOL/Time-Warner has safely absorbed even the venerable WinAmp (I find it difficult to understand how AOL's been allowed to purchase their competition since 1996), it's taking off the disguise and revealing itself as "RealOne". Unfortunately the player is more than a player, and probably has more trick cookie transmissions in it than anyone's ever darkly dreamed. And there's no other option now, if you want to play Real content. What a surprise. The only thing keeping me from converting everything online to Windows Media is its limited support on Macs - but I doubt that Mac users would support such a behemoth as Real/AOL/Time-Warner. Or would they? What's the Mac contingent say? > EXACTLY! I HATE REALPLAYER! Does it really give you anything that mp3s > or quicktime doesn't already? Damn, Windows Media player is better! > > Mark > > On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 09:01 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > > > Is there a way besides Real Audio to hear this? I swore I wouldn't put > > that > > on my machine, its caused grief in the past. > > > > > > > > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ > > _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ > > _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ > > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] > >> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:42 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus > >> > >> > >> a, > >>> Great set from Mr. DT-SC on KCRW this morning (but all too brief, in > >>> my > >>> mind.) > >> thanks, dude --- i was pretty nervous about playing this > >> thing..... been in > >> studios so much, working assiduously on lotsa other folks' stuff, > >> etc etc..... > >> > >>> Had a '70s Miles David vibe to it in many places, > >> right..... semi-consciously trying to git back to my don > >> cherry/ecm roots, a > >> bit..... > >> > >>> I thought (and > >>> in that context, the one chromatic descending chord figure in the one > >>> tune reminded me of "John McLaughlin..." a deliberate quote?) > >> .....nope, it just kinda happened! > >> > >>> What a mother of a rhythm section, too. (Fima's tone...!!!) > >> fima's a funkyfunky dude..... > >> and ben was *really* fun to play with! > >> > >>> Dumb techniqe question here: Sounded to me like one of the first loops > >>> in there was a brief EDP loop spun off a single note, then tweaked > >>> with > >>> some unquantized insertmode=replace action. Am I somewhat close? > >>> (Yeah, I'm a trainspotter.) > >> yeah; i used that at least a few times, i think --- couldn't seem > >> to get the > >> edp output to be quite loud enough, sometimes, though..... getta get > >> this > >> broke-thing fixed, i guess..... > >> 8-( > >> > >> (the repeater re-pitching/hyperfast-re-triggering elements shoulda been > >> pretty prominent; at least, they certainly were onstage.....) > >> > >>> For those who missed it, check out http://www.kcrw.org to hear the > >>> live > >>> archive. > >>> Great to hear you playing again, Mr. Torn! (And good news to hear > >>> about > >>> the forthcoming Splattercell album, probably on Razor and Tie...) > >> thanks much, and thanks again..... > >> best, > >> dt / splattracell > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 07:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29103; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c1c9c1$886e84e0$d652e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <7D73F95E-3578-11D6-9E9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <005e01c1c9a3$e8aeb320$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Real Woes Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:29:19 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" > Yep. Now that Real/AOL/Time-Warner has safely absorbed even the venerable > WinAmp (I find it difficult to understand how AOL's been allowed to purchase > their competition since 1996), it's taking off the disguise and revealing > itself as "RealOne". Unfortunately the player is more than a player, and > probably has more trick cookie transmissions in it than anyone's ever darkly > dreamed. And there's no other option now, if you want to play Real content. Can you expand on these "trick cookie transmissions"? A link to more info would be fine. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 08:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02317; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:48:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:48:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jam-Man style GNX3 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:47:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2002 13:47:12.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[695FC540:01C1C9CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kevin, I ordered one of these the minute I saw it in the catalog but it still hasn't arrived. The more I read about the GNX3 the more excited I get! It reads well so I can only hope it plays well! weg From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: loop Subject: Digitech Jam-Man style GNX3 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:39:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE56A7CC005E4004311ACFE4EE0911F60; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:41:37 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18968;Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:41:25 -0500 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:43:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:41:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8D5C67.FE7DE3D9@minds-eye.org> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone played with their Digitech GNX3 at all? On board 8 track recorder with up to 25 minutes recording time as well as the following from the the FAQ Can the recorder function as a looper? After entering loop mode, each of the recorder's 8 tracks can be looped and layered just as a traditional looper. With the power of 8 separate loops and expandable external memory, the GNX3 might just be the most powerful looping device available. Once you stop the loop function, all the audio remains in tact on the SmartMedia™ card-or in the internal memory for further development later. How long of a loop can be used? The length of the loop is determined by the length of the first loop you record. Each subsequent layer or loop will automatically fit the length of the first loop. The length of the first loop only depends on available memory-from milliseconds to hours. ...from milliseconds to HOURS!!!! I'm curious about how the interface works and how much flex you really have in how you loop, but this sounds promising. Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 08:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02470; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:50:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:50:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:49:36 EST Subject: Re: Repeater upgrade horror story To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cbm, since jamie doesn't seem present, right now, and i have a bit of experience w/this, i'll try to help. but: if your repeater's spdif-output sounds 'broken' or 'digital', i wouldn't bother even trying this --- just talk to electrix and return the unit, as a it seems that a few early repeaters are incapable of the software-upgrade (& the 'bad' spdif is indicative of this, i believe). 1) if it's possible that the download's been corrupted, re-DL it. 2) try re-installing the SW onto the CFC, again, and/or 3) try installing the new SW onto a *different* card, and/or 4) call or email electrix tech support (which -i should know better!- probably oughta be closer to the top of this list, right?) sorry if that doesn't help much. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 08:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02823; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:55:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:55:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.23d1e2b0.29bf6289@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:54:17 EST Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: >Hmmmm. This I wasn't so quick to hear... the high melodies that were >played, esp. at the beginning of the second improv? .....sorry, i don't remember --- but when i listen to it (if ever i do), i'll point it out to ya --- the sad fact being: if i need to point it out, then: you were certainly not hearing what we were hearing in the room. *-( >But I don't hear any hyperfast retriggering-type-things... but then >again, I'm no expert when it comes to Repeater trainspotting... >Am I missin' it? Hmmmm. see above. eek, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 08:58:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03192; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:57:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:57:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:56:08 EST Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mv, thanks! although, now i'm not sure what you folks heard (as opposed to what was played): gonna check it out. >Say, is Fima looping, too? not that i'm aware of! best, dt / splut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 09:06:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04688; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:05:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <192.395c6b9.29bf64f4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:04:36 EST Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ab, >...in Loop4 you can add to the loop if you're not in Hold (overdub LED=red) >when you go to Mute. Loop4? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 09:18:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05301; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:17:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:17:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8E0D43.A8600732@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:14:27 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request References: <192.395c6b9.29bf64f4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > ab, > > >...in Loop4 you can add to the loop if you're not in Hold (overdub LED=red) > >when you go to Mute. > Loop4? where have you beeeeeen? please check the archives :=) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 10:00:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08973; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:59:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:59:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.241f107d.29bf716d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:57:49 EST Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com claude, >where have you beeeeeen? well, i *thought* i've been here, but..... i also thought that the the sound of the radio-broadcast that we just did reflected what the sound was like in the room in which we played..... more fool me. *-( i thought that Loop4 was still being tweaked, before release --- no? andy butler speaks about it as if it were already distributed?!? best, dt / spla From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 10:42:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12118; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:41:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:41:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8E210C.21DA4AE2@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:38:52 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request References: <9b.241f107d.29bf716d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com D you are right we are teasing its still in beta Matthias is in cal to finish it with Kim I guess less and less bugs play live with it for more than a year lotsa + Claude Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > claude, > > >where have you beeeeeen? > well, i *thought* i've been here, but..... > i also thought that the the sound of the radio-broadcast that we just did > reflected what the sound was like in the room in which we played..... more > fool me. > *-( > i thought that Loop4 was still being tweaked, before release --- no? > andy butler speaks about it as if it were already distributed?!? > best, > dt / spla From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 12:01:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19880; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:00:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Real Woes - Was: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005e01c1c9a3$e8aeb320$0201a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: <96A9FD2C-35DA-11D6-BC4E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a Mac user, I'm getting sick of the format wars in media files. Microsoft has been reasonably good for Mac users, though some really nice features of it's codec don't work for the Mac OS. Real is just a monster in every way. Why do people use it again? I hope that mpeg 4 comes and unites us all in a Zagnatronic 12 Galaxies. Mark On Tuesday, March 12, 2002, at 12:57 AM, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Yep. Now that Real/AOL/Time-Warner has safely absorbed even the > venerable > WinAmp (I find it difficult to understand how AOL's been allowed to > purchase > their competition since 1996), it's taking off the disguise and > revealing > itself as "RealOne". Unfortunately the player is more than a player, > and > probably has more trick cookie transmissions in it than anyone's ever > darkly > dreamed. And there's no other option now, if you want to play Real > content. > What a surprise. The only thing keeping me from converting everything > online to Windows Media is its limited support on Macs - but I doubt > that > Mac users would support such a behemoth as Real/AOL/Time-Warner. Or > would > they? What's the Mac contingent say? > >> EXACTLY! I HATE REALPLAYER! Does it really give you anything that >> mp3s >> or quicktime doesn't already? Damn, Windows Media player is better! >> >> Mark >> >> On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 09:01 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: >> >>> Is there a way besides Real Audio to hear this? I swore I wouldn't put >>> that >>> on my machine, its caused grief in the past. >>> >>> >>> >>> _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ >>> _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >>> _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ >>> _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ >>> _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:42 PM >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: D-Cell Rocketh The Haus >>>> >>>> >>>> a, >>>>> Great set from Mr. DT-SC on KCRW this morning (but all too brief, in >>>>> my >>>>> mind.) >>>> thanks, dude --- i was pretty nervous about playing this >>>> thing..... been in >>>> studios so much, working assiduously on lotsa other folks' stuff, >>>> etc etc..... >>>> >>>>> Had a '70s Miles David vibe to it in many places, >>>> right..... semi-consciously trying to git back to my don >>>> cherry/ecm roots, a >>>> bit..... >>>> >>>>> I thought (and >>>>> in that context, the one chromatic descending chord figure in the >>>>> one >>>>> tune reminded me of "John McLaughlin..." a deliberate quote?) >>>> .....nope, it just kinda happened! >>>> >>>>> What a mother of a rhythm section, too. (Fima's tone...!!!) >>>> fima's a funkyfunky dude..... >>>> and ben was *really* fun to play with! >>>> >>>>> Dumb techniqe question here: Sounded to me like one of the first >>>>> loops >>>>> in there was a brief EDP loop spun off a single note, then tweaked >>>>> with >>>>> some unquantized insertmode=replace action. Am I somewhat close? >>>>> (Yeah, I'm a trainspotter.) >>>> yeah; i used that at least a few times, i think --- couldn't seem >>>> to get the >>>> edp output to be quite loud enough, sometimes, though..... getta get >>>> this >>>> broke-thing fixed, i guess..... >>>> 8-( >>>> >>>> (the repeater re-pitching/hyperfast-re-triggering elements shoulda >>>> been >>>> pretty prominent; at least, they certainly were onstage.....) >>>> >>>>> For those who missed it, check out http://www.kcrw.org to hear the >>>>> live >>>>> archive. >>>>> Great to hear you playing again, Mr. Torn! (And good news to hear >>>>> about >>>>> the forthcoming Splattercell album, probably on Razor and Tie...) >>>> thanks much, and thanks again..... >>>> best, >>>> dt / splattracell >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 12:09:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20561; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:08:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:08:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020312170751.69329.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:07:51 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey rich, thanks for the insight! i really appreciate it. i'm definitely going to look into the behringer fcb 1010, because as i said, i am only looking to control the repeater. how did you come up with your setup? is there a recommended site to look at for help with this? i took a few midi classes a few years back in school but pretty much learned the basics using the gear in our school's lab. i'm getting back into it and trying to catch myself up on developments with the gear, and i'm not all that familiar with setting up a floor controller to master over a unit like the repeater. will instructions be provided with the fcb 1010? thanks again for the help...it was really informative! e va n|s sa b --- rich wrote: > >I think the current consensus is the behringer box, > at around $129. Right > >guys? > > > >I'm waiting for mine to arrive, but from the looks > of it's manuals, it's a > >powerful beast. > > > > > what is the cheapest and best (i realize that > those 2 > >> contradict each other) MIDI controller to use > with > > > this unit? > > I've just been digging further down into the > Repeater lately, > controlling it with the Behringer FCB 1010. Pretty > nice combination > for the money, IMO. Nobody has got a pedal in that > price range that > can do as much. > > The combination of the Repeater's midi > implementation and the > Behringer works pretty well, especially if the > Repeater is the ONLY > beast you're controlling. This is due to the fact > that the midi > channel of the CC's (2), program changes (5) and the > expression > pedals (2) that the 1010 can send need to be setup > GLOBALLY. this > kindof sucks, since you might want the expression > pedals to control > one unit on one patch, but another unit on another > patch. No can do > on the 1010. If expression pedal 1 is setup to > transmit on midi > channel 2, then it's ALWAYS going out on channel 2, > no matter what > preset. > > that being said, if the Repeater is the only thing > you're > controlling, assign EVERYTHING to the appropriate > midi channel and > start programming! (your feet may be sore from the > tap dancing you > will have to do to program this thing, but at least > your back won't > be. once the GLOBAL setup is done, you can program > it totally from > foot presses. no bending over... > > Controlling the Repeater with the 1010 is super > cool. If you get a > newer unit, or can download the web update onto > EPROM, you can also > (supposedly) copy patches, which would cut down the > tap dancing > considerably. > > My setup is currently only using Patch Bank 00 and > 01, for the > moment, and the other patch banks are coming along > as i get more > comfortable with the unit. It looks like this > > bank 00 > pedal 1: record/overdub > pedal 2: play > pedal 3: stop > pedal 4: undo > pedal 5: reverse > pedal 6: record track select - scrolls through 1-4 > pedal 7: loop select (down) > pedal 8: loop select (up) > pedal 9: multiply x2 > pedal 10: loop erase > exp pedal 1: overdub feedback > exp pedal 2: pitch/time (down) pedal all the way > forward = normal > pitch, anything back from that takes pitch and time > down, down, down, > like a digitech rds/pds thing...it's nice that when > you just slam the > thing forward, everything comes back into pitch. > you don't have to > guess. also, my play button also has a CC command > to bring it back > to pitch, too. so if you are doing something > whacked pitch wise, you > can hit one button and you're back to normal. > > note: playing with this pitch/time bend function > via the exp pedal, > whilst playing with track pitch via the front panel > leads to some > VERY disorientating effects! > > bank 01 > pedal 1: record/overdub > pedal 2: play > pedal 3: stop > pedal 4: undo > pedal 5: reverse > pedal 6: jamman fade medium > pedal 7: jamman fade long > pedal 8: jamman cue loop 1 > pedal 9: jamman cue loop 2 > pedal 10: loop erase > exp pedals: not implemented.....yet! > > so, a hearty recommendation for the > behringer/repeater combo. i am > really trying to get into the meat of this setup. > it holds some very > cool potential. one of my recent favorites is to > setup a backing > drone on one track, switch to a new track and start > playing. stay in > record/overdub and turn the feedback down to 0 with > the exp pedal. > Now the drone continues, but you only get ONE repeat > of the phrase > you just played last, and next time around, you will > hear what you > what you are playing....well....NOW. and so on and > so on. > > ps. i originally thought that the overdub feedback > thing was global, > that all tracks would fade... not so! how freaking > cool is that to > have controllable feedback across 4 seperate tracks! > > pss. this is a deliberate crib of what i gleaned > from watching > Matthias play at loopstock. it's a great way to > duet with yourself, > but not get caught into a 'static' loop. each time > through, it > changes! reminds me a bit of the back and forth > 'trading solos' of > Tabla players. The Repeater does have a Multiply x2 > function. If > there was a easy way to 'trim x2', or something like > that, you could > really get into that Tabla solo trade thing, since > they trade solos > of 16 bars, then 8 bars, then 4, then 2, then 1, > then 1/2, and so > on... > > I haven't figured out an easy way to do that in a > button push, but > i'll keep trying! > > sorry for the long read, > best, > > rich > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! 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N." , "David J Ellis" , "Dave Kanbar" , "Dave & Robin Klein" , "Daniel Ash (work)" , "Daniel Ash (home)" , "Dan Oglevee" , "Customer Service Email Team - Ohio" , "Customer Service" , "Cubase Customer Support" , "Cousin Nancy Alligood-Ellis" , "Cornelius Curry" <8888487559@skytel.com>, "Connie Rossi" , "Clifford@BienAppraisers" , "Cheryl Medford" , "Cecile P Tucci" , CCarlson@bransonultrasonics.com, "Carol Lynn Smith" , Bvila@aol.com, "Bruce Bronson" , "Brian Smalley" , "Brian Cummings" , "Bobby DEAL Seidenberg" , "Bobby Boy Cummings" , bob@tranlog.com, "Bob Tolve" , "Bob (home e mail) Cummings" , billcumm@jhmanage.com, "Bill Cummings" , "Bill Cummings" , "Bennett Killmer" , barbara@wintersearch.net, "Barbara Gregory" , "Barbara Eisenstadt" , "Barbara Edelman" , "Artie Shear" , "AMY" , "Aldo Mazza" , afrazier@samash.com, "Adam Lauzar" Reply-To: "billcumm@jhmanage.com" Subject: Fw: [ VIRUS WARNING ] - Worm/Gibe - 03/12/2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com URGENT, Don't open this attachment if you get it. It is a virus disguised as a Security Update from MICROSOFT. I received it 3X this morning 3/12/02. It ISW NOT A LEGITIMATE SECURITY UPDATE FROM MICROSOFT. Do not open and run the attachment. Delete the e-mail and all of it's contents. Thank you for listening !!! BC Description: ------------ Worm/Gibe is an Internet worm that attempts to spread through e-mail by using addresses it collects in the Microsoft Outlook Address Book. It disguises itself as a legitimate Microsoft Security Update. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Central Command News" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:19 AM Subject: [ VIRUS WARNING ] - Worm/Gibe - 03/12/2002 > > CENTRALCOMMAND.COM Newsletter > Without us, there's no defense.T > > You are receiving this news letter because you are a subscriber > to the Central Command News mailing list. > > **| DON'T WAIT TO BE A VIRUS VICTIM! |** > Another virus outbreak can happen anytime! 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It disguises itself as a legitimate Microsoft > Security Update. > > The worm would arrive through e-mail in the following format: > > Subject: Internet Security Update > > Body: Microsoft Customer, > > this is the latest version of security update, the update which > eliminates all known security vulnerabilities affecting Internet > Explorer and MS Outlook/Express as well as six new > vulnerabilities, and is discussed in Microsoft Security Bulletin > MS02-005. Install now to protect your computer from these > vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could allow an > attacker to run code on your computer. > > Description of several well-know vulnerabilities: > > - "Incorrect MIME Header Can Cause IE to Execute E-mail > Attachment" vulnerability. If a malicious user sends an affected > HTML e-mail or hosts an affected e-mail on a Web site, and a user > opens the e-mail or visits the Web site, Internet Explorer > automatically runs the executable on the user's computer. > > - A vulnerability that could allow an unauthorized user to learn > the location of cached content on your computer. This could > enable the unauthorized user to launch compiled HTML Help (.chm) > files that contain shortcuts to executables, thereby enabling the > unauthorized user to run the executables on your computer. > > - A new variant of the "Frame Domain Verification" vulnerability > could enable a malicious Web site operator to open two browser > windows, one in the Website's domain and the other on your local > file system, and to pass information from your computer to the > Web site. > > - CLSID extension vulnerability. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 12:12:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20873; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:10:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:10:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <106.e9da911.29bf9063@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:09:55 EST Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com c.voit@vtx.ch writes: >you are right we are teasing >its still in beta you nasty man, you! *-) >Matthias is in cal to finish it with Kim I guess >less and less bugs na, gute! >play live with it for more than a year >lotsa + excellent. i really look forward to using it, myself. also: thanks much for your CD; i certainly enjoy listening to it! best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 12:37:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23372; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.101.51.4] From: "richard dyson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: toronto rptr Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:35:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2002 17:35:56.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D78D7B0:01C1C9EC] Resent-Message-ID: <2RTVoD.A.UsF.ayjj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com looking for the best places to demo & buy the rptr (& floor controller i spose) in toronto. lowest price i have so far is c$895 from long & mcquade. any help appreciated, off list is fine. tks richard _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 12:38:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23377; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:36:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:36:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020312170751.69329.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020312170751.69329.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:34:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hey rich, thanks for the insight! i really appreciate >it. i'm definitely going to look into the behringer >fcb 1010, because as i said, i am only looking to >control the repeater. you're very welcome... > >how did you come up with your setup? is there a >recommended site to look at for help with this? i >took a few midi classes a few years back in school but >pretty much learned the basics using the gear in our >school's lab. i'm getting back into it and trying to >catch myself up on developments with the gear, and i'm >not all that familiar with setting up a floor >controller to master over a unit like the repeater. >will instructions be provided with the fcb 1010? hmmm...if you had told me that before, i'd be asking you questions!!! classes? what's a class? :) naw, i'm a self taught kinda dude who happens to be a gearhead geek. lots of trial and error, experimenting and such. plus a bad back from bending over and twiddling knobs, repatching, pounding the floor in frustration and the like! i'm sure there are websites out there with midi-fied information, but i doubt if there's anything specific to the 1010 and the Repeater. the behringer manual is fairly straightforward. there is a chart and description for how to do the GLOBAL and PROGRAMMING setups. and once you've assigned the midi channels, it's just digging in and programming each pedal in each patch to do what you want. time consuming, but kinda like riding a bike as it gets easier and faster as you go. i'd absolutely LOVE it if someone came up with a software patch editor for this thing, like they ship with the Knobby controllers. that way we could edit quickly, save the whole thing, trade setups with other users, etc. ah well, someday? i'm sure not the code programming type, so i'll have to let others do that task. if you get the pedal, feel free to email me off list if you need any specific questions answered. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 12:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24738; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010c01c1c9ee$173d7e70$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020312170751.69329.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:48:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com evan, there's reference charts in the repeater manual online, download the updated one if you don't have it from electrix's site. you'll need to follow the instructions for the 1010 in it's manual for the procdure to program the switches, and use the repeater reference charts to determine what specific messages to program. i also recommend checking the repeater forum (there's a link on electrix's website) for repeater/1010 info, the 1010 is a popular controller for the repeater. there are often two different ways to address parameters on the repeater via midi, program change (PC) messages and countinuous controller (CC) messages. PC messages work well for switchlike on/off functions, and CC's are what you primarily use for other functions with more variable ranges. programming PC messages is very simple. you can have up to 5 PC messages sent with one footswitch press on the 1010. you go into edit mode and simple dial up the PC message(s) you want to send for a particular switch. programming CC messages only requires one more step - defining the specific CC value to send (or defining the range of values to send, in the case of the two assignable sweep pedals). therefore, you need to program which CC message type to send (out of the repeater manual) and what value to send with it. once you've programmed a few switches it should make a lot more sense. i've found it very easy to program the 1010 for the repeater, especially with the 'copy presets' function in the newer 1010 model. as rich said, you can actually program it very easily with your feet once you have the global MIDI channels selected (if you're only controlling the repeater, you can probably just skip this step, the 1010 is set to MIDI channel 1 by default, and so is the repeater - i think - although it's easy to check on the back dial and set it to MIDI channel 1 if you need to). with 10 switches per bank you can actually set up a lot of really cool and useful patch sets. i'm using two switches for 'record' and 'play' in overwrite mode so that i can drop-in and out new material on existing tracks, for example, by rapidly tapping the two switches with my feet. good thing i play sitting down though, i want two feet to use with this. hope this helps, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question > hey rich, thanks for the insight! i really appreciate > it. i'm definitely going to look into the behringer > fcb 1010, because as i said, i am only looking to > control the repeater. > > how did you come up with your setup? is there a > recommended site to look at for help with this? i > took a few midi classes a few years back in school but > pretty much learned the basics using the gear in our > school's lab. i'm getting back into it and trying to > catch myself up on developments with the gear, and i'm > not all that familiar with setting up a floor > controller to master over a unit like the repeater. > will instructions be provided with the fcb 1010? > > thanks again for the help...it was really informative! > > e va n|s sa b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 13:12:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28105; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:11:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020312095604.02935210@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:10:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Real Woes In-Reply-To: <005e01c1c9a3$e8aeb320$0201a8c0@eluk> References: <7D73F95E-3578-11D6-9E9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AOL absorbed WinAmp quite awhile ago. They've absorbed many companies (see http://www.corp.aol.com/whoweare.html?) but not Real. AOL and Real are separate entities. At 12:57 AM 2002/03/12, Stephen wrote: >Yep. Now that Real/AOL/Time-Warner has safely absorbed even the venerable >WinAmp (I find it difficult to understand how AOL's been allowed to purchase >their competition since 1996), it's taking off the disguise and revealing >itself as "RealOne". Unfortunately the player is more than a player, and >probably has more trick cookie transmissions in it than anyone's ever darkly >dreamed. And there's no other option now, if you want to play Real content. >What a surprise. The only thing keeping me from converting everything >online to Windows Media is its limited support on Macs - but I doubt that >Mac users would support such a behemoth as Real/AOL/Time-Warner. Or would >they? What's the Mac contingent say? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 13:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28229; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:11:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:11:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:09:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Brian Kenny Fresno Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6EbN5C.A.L4G.ITkj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> >>SAT MARCH 30TH at the STARRY PLOW W/ SPLATTER TRIO" and BASSLINE DADA. >>hope to be seeing all of you up into their soon! Does this mean the Splatter Trio (Dave Barrett, Myles Boisen, Gino Robair) is functioning again? If so, cool! They were/are a great band! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 16:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16242; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001301c1c9f2$997b2e60$1f64a8c0@billscomp> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:14:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Fw: [ VIRUS WARNING ] - Worm/Gibe - 03/12/2002 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which brings us back to this wise, old addage: Friends don't let friends use Microsoft Outlook. >URGENT, Don't open this attachment if you get it. It is a virus disguised as >a Security Update from MICROSOFT. I received it 3X this morning 3/12/02. It >ISW NOT A LEGITIMATE SECURITY UPDATE FROM MICROSOFT. Do not open and run the >attachment. Delete the e-mail and all of it's contents. Thank you for >listening !!! >BC > >Description: >------------ >Worm/Gibe is an Internet worm that attempts to spread through e-mail by >using addresses it collects in the Microsoft Outlook Address Book. It >disguises itself as a legitimate Microsoft Security Update. > --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 16:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19368; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:42:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:42:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001301c1c9f2$997b2e60$1f64a8c0@billscomp> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:23:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Fw: [ VIRUS WARNING ] - Worm/Gibe - 03/12/2002 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Which brings us back to this wise, old addage: Friends don't let friends >use Microsoft Outlook. > (I meant "adage" ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 17:07:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22736; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:07:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:07:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1ca12$40439ec0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: FCB 1010 update Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:06:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: FCB1010 firmware update rich wrote: > >... update to the Behringer FCB1010 footpedal > > ... the update is available on the website, as well as a pdf update > >manual. however, the information needs to be burned onto an Eprom > >and then installed. > > > >i made a phone call to Behringer US customer service... > >he gave me a name of Condor Electronics in Seattle Thanks for the lead, Rich. I'm in Seattle, so I tracked this down. I talked with the folks at Condor and they quoted me $75 to burn this for me, citing the need to do a one-off setup. I was told that in other cases where they can do a batch of eproms, the unit costs are more like $40. This is terribly expensive for a $129 pedal. I sure wish I'd waited a few weeks and bought the updated version of the FCB1010. I haven't owned an eprom burner since the one I used on my Commodore 64 to burn eproms for my VIC-20 (1983). Anybody care to catch me up on the cheapest way to tool up for this? If this is gonna keep happening, maybe its a investment worth making? Another alternative would be to put together a 'group buy' of eproms. Or perhaps Behringer plans to offer an eprom at some point? That would be the most convenient, but I would rather not wait a few months for that smoke to settle. clues and tips welcome! Bob fyi - Condor Electronics 125 N 36th St Seattle, WA 98103 206-633-5190 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 17:17:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23806; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:16:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:16:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:15:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: SF gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6BoOzB.A.OzF.q4nj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks like I am going to play a bit at: Java Rama Coffee House 1333 Park St. (corner of Park and Alameda Ave.) Alameda, CA on Thursday, March 14 , 8:30 pm If someone could come there with a pair of small linear (best: Studio Monitors!) speakers, it would help! (please send a private mail if you can help me with this) Dont rush, there may be other, (better?) oportunities to play, I just wonder what it feels like... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 17:43:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25888; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:41:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:41:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <76.18d1010b.29bfddeb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:40:43 EST Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.18d1010b.29bfddeb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_76.18d1010b.29bfddeb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/02 10:41:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > you are right we are teasing > claude.....i seem to re-call that you had several gigs afoot, did they happen? if so how did it go?.....lastly, i recall offering to review your new cd, perhaps you forgot to send it.....i will send you a basket of rubys or big screen tv or u.s. dollars to get a copy of it.....michael k --part1_76.18d1010b.29bfddeb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/02 10:41:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes:


you are right we are teasing


claude.....i seem to re-call that you had several gigs afoot, did they happen? if so how did it go?.....lastly, i recall offering to review your new cd, perhaps you forgot to send it.....i will send you a basket of rubys or big screen tv or u.s. dollars to get a copy of it.....michael k --part1_76.18d1010b.29bfddeb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 17:43:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25923; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:42:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:42:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SF gig spam Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:41:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2002 22:41:34.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[10111CA0:01C1CA17] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias- I'm going to be gone for a few days this week (flying to east coast for buissness). Otherwise I would definately come and check it out and bring my mackie powered speaker. As it is, I don't quite know how I could get you the speaker, so I hope someone else can help you. Jon >From: Matthias Grob >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: SF gig spam >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:15:41 -0800 > >It looks like I am going to play a bit at: > >Java Rama Coffee House >1333 Park St. (corner of Park and Alameda Ave.) >Alameda, CA > >on Thursday, March 14 , 8:30 pm > >If someone could come there with a pair of small linear (best: Studio >Monitors!) speakers, it would help! (please send a private mail if >you can help me with this) > >Dont rush, there may be other, (better?) oportunities to play, I just >wonder what it feels like... >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 17:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26144; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:43:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:43:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SF gig spam Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:42:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2002 22:42:34.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[33A56360:01C1CA17] Resent-Message-ID: <9pCpVB.A.IWG.5Roj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops! (red-faced for sending personal mail to the list) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 18:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01476; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:52:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:52:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8E949B.7279AD9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:51:54 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SF gig spam References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5psyYB.A.oW.iSpj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I'm in Alameda anyway, I'll be there for sure. If you'd like, I can lend you a pair of Peavey KB60s. They're probably pretty far from linear, but they sound OK at the volumes you'll need for JavaRama. Mark Matthias Grob wrote: > It looks like I am going to play a bit at: > > Java Rama Coffee House > 1333 Park St. (corner of Park and Alameda Ave.) > Alameda, CA > > on Thursday, March 14 , 8:30 pm > > If someone could come there with a pair of small linear (best: Studio > Monitors!) speakers, it would help! (please send a private mail if > you can help me with this) > > Dont rush, there may be other, (better?) oportunities to play, I just > wonder what it feels like... > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 19:03:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03438; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:02:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:02:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: SF gig spam Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:02:33 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c1ca22$603e9ee0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <3C8E949B.7279AD9@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn Mark- your not gonna bring your Genelecs?? ;) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SF gig spam Since I'm in Alameda anyway, I'll be there for sure. If you'd like, I can lend you a pair of Peavey KB60s. They're probably pretty far from linear, but they sound OK at the volumes you'll need for JavaRama. Mark Matthias Grob wrote: > It looks like I am going to play a bit at: > > Java Rama Coffee House > 1333 Park St. (corner of Park and Alameda Ave.) > Alameda, CA > > on Thursday, March 14 , 8:30 pm > > If someone could come there with a pair of small linear (best: Studio > Monitors!) speakers, it would help! (please send a private mail if > you can help me with this) > > Dont rush, there may be other, (better?) oportunities to play, I just > wonder what it feels like... > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 19:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04348; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT: Manring webcast tonight Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:10:53 -0800 Message-ID: <003a01c1ca23$8a5b7440$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1C9E0.7C383440" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9-8XiB.A.JDB.Bkpj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1C9E0.7C383440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Manring on www.wnyc.org at 11pm EST, 8pm PST- Cliff http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1C9E0.7C383440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1C9E0.7C383440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 20:14:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11808; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:13:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:13:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: OT: Mackie 1604 VLZ for sale Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:13:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Mackie 1604 VLZ for sale Thread-Index: AcHJ6VEb+4pXsz9ESyG5NrXx2jTIewAQRSzg From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA11746 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I recently bought a Mackie 1604 VLZ mixer but have decided to sell it. It's brand new, in box, with warranty card. Totally mint. I made a mistake buying it - it turns out my old Mackie 1202 meets my needs just fine and I'm better off keeping my rig simple. So I'm selling the 1604 for $725 plus shipping from NYC. Zzounds sells it for $999. It has 16 channels and 4 subgroups. Up to 6 effects sends, great preamps, great tone controls, and many fantastic features. It can be rack mounted and the real input pod can be swiveled into different positions to allow bottom or rear connections. An inexpensive add on bracket allows you to rotate it to put the connections on the front as well. http://www.mackie.com/Products/VLZ_PRO_Series/1604VLZPRO.asp I can accept Paypal. Let me know if you're interested. I've bought & sold things on ebay - you can look up my feedback by the username wolfereeno. Thanks Bill Wolf Ness Technologies (877)488-7222 x 127 http://www.ness-usa.com http://www.billwolf.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 20:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14581; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:50:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:50:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8EB052.9467B5C7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:50:09 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SF gig spam References: <003401c1ca22$603e9ee0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I learned my lesson when I wrecked the Stradivarius water skiing. Mark Om_Audio wrote: > Damn Mark- your not gonna bring your Genelecs?? > > ;) > > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SF gig spam > > Since I'm in Alameda anyway, I'll be there for sure. If you'd like, I > can lend you a pair of Peavey KB60s. They're probably pretty far from > linear, but they sound OK at the volumes you'll need for JavaRama. > > Mark > > Matthias Grob wrote: > > > It looks like I am going to play a bit at: > > > > Java Rama Coffee House > > 1333 Park St. (corner of Park and Alameda Ave.) > > Alameda, CA > > > > on Thursday, March 14 , 8:30 pm > > > > If someone could come there with a pair of small linear (best: Studio > > Monitors!) speakers, it would help! (please send a private mail if > > you can help me with this) > > > > Dont rush, there may be other, (better?) oportunities to play, I just > > wonder what it feels like... > > -- > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 20:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15150; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:58:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:58:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8EB21D.7D17C684@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:57:48 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater sound quality References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E650140379109D@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This has been my experience as well. Mark Sottilaro "Graham, Lindsay" wrote: > Only partially related, but I, too was very frustrated with the noise level > produced by my Repeater. That was until, however, I took the time to rack > everything up, pay attention to the cabling, effects order and - most > importantly - set all my levels right. Now the whole rig is much, much more > quiet than I have ever experienced and the Repeater is transparent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 21:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17721; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:18:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c1ca35$3ea59140$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <003401c1ca22$603e9ee0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> <3C8EB052.9467B5C7@zerocrossing.net> Subject: OT: waterskiing (was RE: SF gig spam) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:17:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: <45x32.A.LUE._arj8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com um, pray tell .... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:50 PM Subject: Re: SF gig spam > I learned my lesson when I wrecked the Stradivarius water skiing. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 21:42:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19505; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:41:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:41:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c1ca39$83d97de0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <002e01c1ca12$40439ec0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Subject: Re: FCB 1010 update (also Ultra-Dyne Pro) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:48:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah. Behringer did the same thing with the Ultra-dyne Pro. They stated that software to manage the device would be available. Then, when it became available, it was stated that an eprom burn had to be accomplished with new software before the 'gui' could be used. Seems like a lot of trouble and expense to me. Regards, Butch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Campbell" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: FCB 1010 update > re: FCB1010 firmware update > > rich wrote: > > >... update to the Behringer FCB1010 footpedal > > > ... the update is available on the website, as well as a pdf update > > >manual. however, the information needs to be burned onto an Eprom > > >and then installed. > > > > > >i made a phone call to Behringer US customer service... > > >he gave me a name of Condor Electronics in Seattle > > Thanks for the lead, Rich. I'm in Seattle, so I tracked this down. I talked > with the folks at Condor and they quoted me $75 to burn this for me, citing > the need to do a one-off setup. I was told that in other cases where they > can do a batch of eproms, the unit costs are more like $40. > > This is terribly expensive for a $129 pedal. I sure wish I'd waited a few > weeks and bought the updated version of the FCB1010. I haven't owned an > eprom burner since the one I used on my Commodore 64 to burn eproms for my > VIC-20 (1983). Anybody care to catch me up on the cheapest way to tool up > for this? If this is gonna keep happening, maybe its a investment worth > making? > > Another alternative would be to put together a 'group buy' of eproms. Or > perhaps Behringer plans to offer an eprom at some point? That would be the > most convenient, but I would rather not wait a few months for that smoke to > settle. > > clues and tips welcome! > > Bob > > > fyi - > Condor Electronics > 125 N 36th St > Seattle, WA 98103 > 206-633-5190 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 12 23:43:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30886; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:43:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:43:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Epoch: 1015994547 X-Sasl-enc: 5Kg09TceKb1gubN4BCAbew Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:44:52 -0600 From: Jazwell Wankerl Reply-To: duckbill@fastmail.fm To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Fw: [ VIRUS WARNING ] - Worm/Gibe - 03/12/2002 Organization: Trad PFX X-mailer: FoxMail 4.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====002_Dragon634628245020_=====" Message-Id: <20020313044225.0E5243940E6@fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=====002_Dragon634628245020_===== Content-Type: text/plain; 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Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:01:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:01:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.53.245.189] From: "link marlow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: newbie to LD with some ?'s Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:59:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2002 05:59:43.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[459B3DF0:01C1CA54] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

hi all, i'm link, here's what i'm looking for info on regarding edps:

latest software , would that be loop 4? how when where cost, anything. heard some rumblings about version 4 providing stereo operation from a single edp. i don't see how this is possible. mentioned that matter to shane radke at gibson and he didn't see how either but figured i'd post this query  to get a yay or a nay.....however if it's something i can look forward to  that'd be ultra cool for me as i'm running two edp's for stereo looping with splendid success and wouldn't mind doing the quadraphonic thing at all. this is where the evil laugh follows loopily around inside my hed.....

when running the two edp's (a gibson and an oberheim  both loop3v5) together i've noticed lower headroom in the input of the oberheim . is this a normal difference to be expected between the two units. ideally should i be running two gibsons instead for synchability sake or would that be loopability or any other reason instead of the two different pieces . the input thing is a little worrysome and seems to concern me as i'm running a full mix .yeah........drums bass guitar synth vocals anything goes you know  so its a matter i have to keep an eye on.

i'm having to consider my first midi foot controller to control a bevy of gear. effects, drum machine, echo pro , filter pro, etc, on and on....and on and on....... the more i can get underfoot the better. i have a pedal for the edpz  . ahh , an abbr. for edp's . that's so          e - d - p - z     ..........get it...............corny huh........... anyway somethang  that can footle (handle) all the junk i've got going on would be great. i'm leaning toward the ground control pro. i'm just wondering whether it can do what i want it to do which is probably not what it's intended to do. it's surely designed for sane instead of deranged. any responses from anyone familiar with that unit or of something more flexable would be  would greatly be appreciated.  

kindest regards to kim flint for all he's done for looping.  link marlow      axsovmine@hotmail.com    


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 03:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13713; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:01:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:01:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c1ca32$ef96af50$26f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: newbie to LD with some ?'s Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:01:03 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1CA32.EE5A5EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1CA32.EE5A5EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable regarding the input volume difference between your units, there is a mod = that can increase the input headroom. check the l.d. faq for more info. = =20 regarding footpedals for midi control, i think the rocktron all access = is the most comprehensive unit. the price reflects it. out of = production unit is 799.00 from musictoyz.com.=20 -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1CA32.EE5A5EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
regarding the input volume difference between your = units,=20 there is a mod that can increase the input headroom.  check the = l.d. faq=20 for more info. 
 
regarding footpedals for midi control, i think the = rocktron=20 all access is the most comprehensive unit.  the price reflects = it. =20 out of production unit is 799.00 from musictoyz.com. 
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1CA32.EE5A5EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 03:56:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16524; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: newbie to LD with some ?'s Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:53:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c1ca32$ef96af50$26f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler >regarding the input volume difference between your units, there is a mod that can increase the input headroom. check the l.d. faq for >more info. >regarding footpedals for midi control, i think the rocktron all access is the most comprehensive unit. the price reflects it. out of >production unit is 799.00 from musictoyz.com. >-jim Also at Discount Music http://www.discountmusic.com for $755 Yikes! I'm getting a Peavey PC1600x--surely that plus a pedal that sends patch changes would be enough-- Gary PS Stereo is a no-go on the Loop 4 upgrade for the EDP--but the MIDI implementation is supposed to be much better! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 04:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18829; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 04:12:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 04:12:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8F1745.3A2B251E@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:09:26 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com CC: kflint@loopers-delight.com, matthias@grob.org Subject: EDP Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm currently experiencing a strange anomaly with my EDP -- upon recording an overdub, I'm getting a strange, hissy, fuzzy sound on each note. I'm not clipping the input LED, nor the feedback LED. This is NOT the same (very subtle) anomaly I noticed five years ago; this is a completely different and new thing, which is much more pronounced, and new as of today. The straight, un-looped guitar signal is pristine and completely unaffected. Before starting tonight, I did notice one strange thing: I sent a MIDI drum machine pattern into the EDP, which ended up triggering all sorts of strange functions and parameters. (I inadvertently sent one of the factory presets, rather than my own EDP-oriented patterns.) The EDP made a very strange and very loud buzz momentarily, and then had to be re-started. Could this possibly have any impact on introducing fuzz/buzz into the audio path? I'm hard-pressed to see how a series of MIDI commands would end up introducing signal degredation into the audio path (especially after several resets and restarts...) Does anyone have any recent experience with regards to how long the turn-around time is for EDP repair at Gibson? Any help or advice would be appreciated ASAP, especially since this may well impact some planned gigs in the forseeable future... Thanks, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 04:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20444; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 04:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 04:43:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8F1E99.3350C10D@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:40:42 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Problem - Problem Solved... kinda?! References: <3C8F1745.3A2B251E@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, so I have very good news and very strange news. The very good news: I was able to completely eliminate the strange noise. The very strange news: I did this by swapping out the EPROMS currently in the EDP and replacing them with another pair. The wierd buzzy sound completely vanished. Then I put the set I'd had in earlier this evening back in the EDP. The wierd buzzy sound was there again. Now I've put the older EPROMS back in and it sounds great. Just to squash any urban legends before they hatch: This has nothing at all to do with EDPs as they currently exist, because the EPROM I seem to have fried is... um, something other than LoopIII. Kim? Matthias? Wanna send me an Oakland address where I can ship a couple of MIDI-microwaved EPROMS for an Aurisis Autopsy? This is really fuckin' strange... and that sound was absolutely not in the EPROMS prior to my MIDI mangling. I think my Roland 626 drum machine needs to spend some time in Kim's pad before the beta-test phase is utterly complete... (This lends a whole new definition to the phrase "deadly groove.") Wow, --Andre, Merciless (albiet Inadvertent) Destroyer of EPROMS http://www.epromkiller.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 09:35:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09878; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:34:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:34:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: SF gig spam Message-Id: <13030272.23617@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:33:43 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <-Q77OB.A.gZC.HN2j8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Stradivarius water skiing Mark, may i use this as a song title? -peter > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SF gig spam > > > I learned my lesson when I wrecked the Stradivarius water skiing. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 09:45:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10539; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:44:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:44:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:41:51 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 3.17.02, 2PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, with immersion music salon, which includes video artist Walter Wright and many musicians. Its going to be an informal event. At 3:47 PM -0500 3/5/02, Walter Wright wrote: >sun mar 17th 2pm: >immersion music salon with >BopAnts: marc bisson, katt hernandez, walter wright >deiX and many others including drT, heather mcquisten, a >sax player, a drummer, some students, veggie dishes .. Zeitgeist Gallery - 312 Broadway, cr Norfolk, off Central Sq. Cambridge info 617.876.2182 wheelchair accessible. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 11:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19499; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:20:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:20:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c1caaa$f9d85540$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" , "musings-l" Subject: shameless album spam Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:20:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com two new live albums by Darkroom at http://www.burningshed.com/ loop-heavy ambient electronic improv cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 11:37:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20465; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:36:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:36:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SONAR 2 announced, features cool loop-based synth Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:35:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loopers, I've been dying to tell you guys (and gals) about this, but I had to wait until today. We announced SONAR 2.0 at Musik Messe today, and there's one thing in particular will be of interest to this list, Cyclone DXi. I've been playing around with the beta of it and I'm really psyched about it. Here are Cyclone's key features: Cyclone DXi is a 16-part, ACID-compatible, phrase sampler, loop trigger, composition tool, and audio editor wrapped up in a single DXi synth. You basically have 16 pads where you can load ACID-compatible wav files and then you can perform and record spontaneous compositions in real-time using any MIDI device, MIDI tracks, a computer keyboard, or mouse. The loaded samples will match the tempo and pitch of your project. You can rearrange, combine, slice, tweak, and customize samples to create new grooves-even replace the sounds of one loop with other sounds while retaining the rhythm of the original loop. You can export loop creations to a new Groove clip that can be used in SONAR & other apps. Cyclone supports multiple outputs & key mapping. If you want to read more about SONAR 2, we've posted the press release here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Press/PR-SONAR2.htm Let me know if you have any questions. I'll do my best to answer them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 11:50:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21087; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:48:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:48:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP Problem - Problem Solved... kinda?! Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:48:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C8F1E99.3350C10D@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre-- Sorry to hear of your trials. Sounds like the release of Loop 4 gonna be delayed a little longer. On the subject of EDPs . . . the second unit I acquired a couple of weeks ago seems to be fine--none of the problems reported by other users. And its manufacture was contemporaneous with the others--serial number GI-05/518/101, tested on 4/3/2001 by D. Parish. I'll keep my eye on it tho . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Problem - Problem Solved... kinda?! OK, so I have very good news and very strange news. The very good news: I was able to completely eliminate the strange noise. The very strange news: I did this by swapping out the EPROMS currently in the EDP and replacing them with another pair. The wierd buzzy sound completely vanished. Then I put the set I'd had in earlier this evening back in the EDP. The wierd buzzy sound was there again. Now I've put the older EPROMS back in and it sounds great. Just to squash any urban legends before they hatch: This has nothing at all to do with EDPs as they currently exist, because the EPROM I seem to have fried is... um, something other than LoopIII. Kim? Matthias? Wanna send me an Oakland address where I can ship a couple of MIDI-microwaved EPROMS for an Aurisis Autopsy? This is really fuckin' strange... and that sound was absolutely not in the EPROMS prior to my MIDI mangling. I think my Roland 626 drum machine needs to spend some time in Kim's pad before the beta-test phase is utterly complete... (This lends a whole new definition to the phrase "deadly groove.") Wow, --Andre, Merciless (albiet Inadvertent) Destroyer of EPROMS http://www.epromkiller.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 17:20:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14006; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:19:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8FD028.83CB7747@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:18:17 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SF gig spam References: <13030272.23617@webbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heh, I guess so, but beware, I did a noise piece once called "Honey I wrecked the Stradivarius Water Skiiing." that featured the sound of a Les Paul knockoff getting chainsawed. Since I doubt it'll be on MTV anytime soon, go ahead. Think of me fondly when you play the song. Mark p koniuto wrote: > > Stradivarius water skiing > > Mark, may i use this as a song title? > > -peter > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:50 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: SF gig spam > > > > > > I learned my lesson when I wrecked the Stradivarius water skiing. > > > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 17:50:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15611; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:48:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:48:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020313224829.74480.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: SRice Subject: Fader pedal(reverso volume) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0W01mB.A.nzD.Ad9j8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings loopy ones, I'm looking for a pedal I can use to smoothly fade out my looper. A regular volume pedal would work, except that I want the action to be in reverse, ie. up should be full volume, and down should be zero volume. Pushing down is much easier, which is why a volume pedal isn't optimal. Does anyone know of a pedal to do this? -or- Does anyone know of a volume pedal that can be modified to work this way? (and how to do it) Thanks, Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 18:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18835; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:27:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:27:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <72.19257834.29c13a2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:26:34 EST Subject: Re: SF gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 3/13/02 2:21:23 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >I did a noise piece once called "Honey I wrecked the >Stradivarius Water Skiing" that featured the >sound of a Les Paul knockoff getting chainsawed. Reminds me of a piece I did in a gallery concert about 7-8 years ago where I opened the concert by taking a hacksaw to a beautiful, vintage Martin 000 12-string (no Strad, but no cheap copy either). The results were ring-moded, looped and amped to near eardrum-bleeding levels with equally loud accompaniment of a live rock drummer (no, it was not Dr. Bob). I'd been doing a lot of ambient "Enoish" stuff in concerts previously and my audiences were starting to take on a sort of "new agy" tofu and sprout sort of demographic. I felt it necessary to scare those folks away as soon as possible. It was particularly satisfying when half of the audience left within the first minute (falling over each other and practically diving for the doors and windows to get out). They never returned . . . ever. The remaining half of the audience and I had a great time after this rapid departure . . . when I returned to more varied set of musical offerings. Sometimes it's fun to "mess" with people's preconceptions and stretch their limits a little (within reason). But sometimes it's actually NECESSARY! Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 18:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19591; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <72.191d93dd.29c13c6e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:14 EST Subject: Re: SF gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_72.191d93dd.29c13c6e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_72.191d93dd.29c13c6e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/02 6:27:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > where I opened the concert by taking a hacksaw > to a beautiful, vintage Martin 000 12-string --part1_72.191d93dd.29c13c6e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/02 6:27:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


where I opened the concert by taking a hacksaw
to a beautiful, vintage Martin 000 12-string


--part1_72.191d93dd.29c13c6e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 18:40:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19781; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c1cab6$0931c5c0$38f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020313224829.74480.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fader pedal(reverso volume) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:39:31 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve- i own an ernie ball mono volume pedal which can do exactly what you say. to simplify the matter, i think a simple potentiometer is needed and i'm not sure if all volume pedals use one. so my volume pedal pot gets scratchy and i need to replace it...and i do this, only i wound the kevlar string backward around the pot shaft, thereby making the toe position "off" and the heel position "on" might want to try this...but be warned, getting the string rewound correctly took me a few tries. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 18:46:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20330; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:46:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:46:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <72.19257834.29c13a2a@aol.com> References: <72.19257834.29c13a2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:43:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: SF gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9t6BCB.A.C9E.oS-j8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'd been doing a lot of ambient "Enoish" stuff in concerts >previously and my audiences were starting to take on a >sort of "new agy" tofu and sprout sort of demographic. ahaha...that's a great story, Ted. reminds me of a similar experience i had with a band about '91. we were very influenced by spacerock and english psychedelic stuff (suicide, spacemen 3, loop, neu!, early ride, can, stuff like that) and our production style was to push the drums and vocals deep into the mix and let the guitars just fly. so imagine the looks on our faces as we're setting up for a gig, and we're soundchecking the drum machine (guitars not even turned on, yet). the owner of the club comes up and says "you guys are WAY too loud". hehe... clearing rooms was one of our forte's. hmmmm...an advertising guy throwing around words like 'demographics'? how's this: Strategic Target Marketing! :) seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 18:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20595; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:50:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:50:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:49:41 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Fader pedal(reverso volume) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <052201c1cae9$bea80e40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020313224829.74480.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c1cab6$0931c5c0$38f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think you can do this with the ernie ball stereo pedal. set it for pan and only connect one output. much easier than reversing the string... > > might want to try this...but be warned, getting the string rewound correctly > took me a few tries. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 19:06:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22395; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <175.4fa07f4.29c14322@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:04:50 EST Subject: "music-talk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_175.4fa07f4.29c14322_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_175.4fa07f4.29c14322_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/02 6:27:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > where I opened the concert by taking a hacksaw > to a beautiful, vintage Martin 000 12-string when the "who" did this i cried because i just knew if i had something other than a STELLA the universe would be a better place.....ted, i gots to listen to your cd a few more times before i say more than "if you dont play guitar, you will blow up!".....andre, pay heed!.....wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.....max, you're next, im ready for a serious (yeah, sure) sitdown and listen, ive loved what i heard so far.....this might be pre-mature but andre, i like your solo and duet music more than the produced cd, it was more accessable to me as a solo player and it seemed "freer", ALTHOUGH "disruption theory" is some "bad-assed loopin" and "wild lovely tones", many more listens to ensue!.....anyone who wants to send me their music, please feel free to do so.....i will trade cd 4 cd.....michael k --part1_175.4fa07f4.29c14322_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/02 6:27:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


where I opened the concert by taking a hacksaw
to a beautiful, vintage Martin 000 12-string


when the "who" did this i cried because i just knew if i had something other than a STELLA the universe would be a better place.....ted, i gots to listen to your cd a few more times before i say more than "if you dont play guitar, you will blow up!".....andre, pay heed!.....wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.....max, you're next, im ready for a serious (yeah, sure) sitdown and listen, ive loved what i heard so far.....this might be pre-mature but andre, i like your solo and duet music more than the produced cd, it was more accessable to me as a solo player and it seemed "freer", ALTHOUGH  "disruption theory" is some "bad-assed loopin" and "wild lovely tones",  many more listens to ensue!.....anyone who wants to send me their music, please feel free to do so.....i will trade cd 4 cd.....michael k --part1_175.4fa07f4.29c14322_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 19:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23479; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:37:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:37:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C8FF145.615B381C@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:39:33 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: reverso pedal mod References: <20020311070042.23410.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: SRice From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Loopers Delight Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve- You asked the right guy. Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you on this, but I've kinda busy lately. If your pedal has the quick-connect potentiometer leads, you can try just flipping the connector around where it connects to the circuit board. The problem here is that the pot's taper isn't really ideal for this situation, so it probably will give you an abrupt cutoff at the end. It's easy to try, however - just two screws. While you're in there, also try flipping the contour switch to see if it helps any. Your best bet is to either turn the pedal around backwards and operate it that way, or to press with your toe on the rear of the pedal to fade out. You can switch the string around like Mr. Fowler suggested; however, other than being a major pain in the ass to do, it will shorten the life of your potentiometer since the pulley system is Engineered (that's a word I like to use around here) to equalize out most of what would otherwise be bending forces tweaking the pot's shaft. A pan pedal would also work well as suggested, however I'm guessing that you already have a mono pedal and don't want to blow another $150 or whatever those things cost these days. You other avenue is to try to locate a pot with a reverse taper to swap with the one that's in there now. Good luck and let me know what works best, -Hans SRice wrote: > > Greetings, > > This may be a silly question, but can a EB volume pedal be > modified to act as fader? That is, up is full volume and > down is silent. > > I want it to give a very clean fade out for my loops, and > pushing down would be easier that lifting up. > > Send this on to customer service if the answer isn't easy. > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 20:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25726; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:01:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:01:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c1ca8f$5cbcdda0$3c62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203140006.TAA22463@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: SONAR 2 announced, features cool loop-based synth Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 05:02:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool news, about the new looping features of SONAR 2. I really like the layout of this program but there is one feature that presents me from either using it or recommending it to my students of electronic composition: So far the first version, to the best of my cursory examination, does not support quantize rates lower than 32nd note triplets. In order to compose drum & bass, jungle or glitch or skitter (all very popular new idioms in electronica and electronic pop) it is very necessary to have quantize to 64 note triplets if not higher. Has this issue been addressed in Sonar 2. I know that Sonar is considered to be slightly sub-professional, but I honestly think it would give the expensive Cubase and Logic a run for their money if this issue were addressed . The program is a lot more intuitive than either of those midi programs IMHO. Good luck. Thanks for sharing the news of another good looping tool for us to explore. Yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 20:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28247; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:48:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:48:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <18d.4c5f83b.29c15b1e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:47:10 EST Subject: Re: "music-talk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael K., In a message dated 3/13/02 4:05:37 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >when the "who" did this i cried because i just knew if i had something other >than a STELLA the universe would be a better place.....ted, i gots to listen >to your cd a few more times before i say more than "if you dont play guitar, >you will blow up!"..... Before every lover of vintage instruments on the list starts thinking I'm some horrible, monstrous idiot. I must say that I am not quite the anarchist I once was. I could not bring myself do that sort of thing now. It was sort of a "self-test" of my own commitment to doing what I do . . . that made me do it originally. To destroy an instrument and deliberately drive away a good part of a paying audience is something I see as pretty stoopid now. Actually I wish that I still had that old Martin. It's not an act that I would recommend to anybody now. It was just a funny story that the pervious writer's "Honey I Wrecked the Stradivarius Water Skiing" reminded me of. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 21:26:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30836; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:25:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:25:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C900956.2A7E987@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:22:15 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SONAR 2 announced, features cool loop-based synth References: <200203140006.TAA22463@hemlock.violacea.com> <006501c1ca8f$5cbcdda0$3c62f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Rick, > So far the first version, to the best of my cursory examination, does not > support quantize rates lower than > 32nd note triplets. In order to compose drum & bass, jungle or glitch or > skitter (all very popular new idioms > in electronica and electronic pop) it is very necessary to have quantize to > 64 note triplets if not higher. What exactly is the difference between "glitch" and "skitter," and who would you point towards as good examples of each? I'm completey serious here! (I personally dig the term "FSU" for the same sort of paradigm, as in "F*&% S*&^ Up.") And do you really think it's necessary to have 64-note triplet subdivisions to do a worthwhile drum and bass production? I've heard a lot of good work in that realm done strictly by chopping patterns into 8th-notes and re-ordering the fragments that way. (Not to mention the mind-numbingly simple and straightforward drum patterns which seem to be a prerequisite in so much jungle from the last several years...) Certainly, if you're going in the Squarepusher/Aphex Twin/Hrvetski direction, tighter resolution will help... but then again, Tom Jenkinson didn't even use a computer until "Big Loada"...! Food for thought, perhaps... Ah well. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 21:28:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30993; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:27:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:27:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9009EA.D219A4F0@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:24:43 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "music-talk" References: <175.4fa07f4.29c14322@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Michael K, > ted, i gots to listen to your cd a few > more times before i say more than "if you dont play guitar, > you will blow up!".....andre, pay heed! I have indeed paid much heed to Ted Killian's CD, and enjoyed every minute of the payment! If we can hear more music from Mr. Killian, and keep him from spontaneously combusting at the same time, then that suits me fine. > this might be pre-mature but andre, > i like your solo and duet music more than the produced cd, it > was more accessable to me as a solo player and it seemed "freer", > ALTHOUGH "disruption theory" is some "bad-assed loopin" and > "wild lovely tones", many more listens to ensue!..... I definitely understand where you're coming from. And I would certainly imagine that the EDP solos and duets (which were all improvised, most of them freely so) would come across as more "free" than the produced CD, which was very deliberate and methodical in its construction. By the same token, though, a lot of the material on Disruption Theory was very much improvised intitially, in the same manner as the more recent material; the main difference is that the produced stuff was then re-examined, edited, and re-contextualized after the fact, unlike the December solos and (most of) the duets stuff. But I'm delighted you've been giving the material some time, and that it's been grabbing your ear; thanks very much for that! Take care, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 22:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03309; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:32:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:32:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Fader pedal(reverso volume) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:30:31 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1cb10$fa5d0540$7c68580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <7R2t0D.A.7y.dmBk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sinps - -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Fader pedal(reverso volume) >steve- > >i own an ernie ball mono volume pedal which can do exactly what you say. to >simplify the matter, i think a simple potentiometer is needed and i'm not >sure if all volume pedals use one. > >so my volume pedal pot gets scratchy and i need to replace it...and i do >this, only i wound the kevlar string backward around the pot shaft, thereby >making the toe position "off" and the heel position "on" > >might want to try this...but be warned, getting the string rewound correctly >took me a few tries. > >-jim > jim - I second that! My gf did the same to her EB pedal, drove me nuts until she admitted to doing the mod hereself. and I thought she bought it that way. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 22:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03673; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:37:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:37:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020314033657.23356.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:36:57 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: First post (with a link) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200203140006.TAA22464@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, this is my first post to this list (I just found about it today, via the David Torn list on Yahoogroups). I'm a guitarist, and I've been playing for a little less than 20 years now, though I only started using any kind of looping effects last year, when I got a Line 6 Delay Modeler. I don't have much to add to the discussion at the moment, other than that I gave a performance on Saturday night, my first real performance in front of an audience, if anyone is interested in hearing it, you can download the mp3 at the following website: http://www.pressthebutton.com/recycledrainbow/chrisrichards.mp3 (I hope this is considered on topic) Apart from that, I'm looking into expanding my setup, and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions. For one thing, I really want to use the Line 6 pedal more for delay effects than looping (I especially like the Echoplex simulations, gives you those early David Gilmour effects real easily), so I need to get another looping device. Anyone have any thoughts on the Gibson Echoplex, Boomerang and/or Boss Loop Station? I tried the Loop Station out at the local Sam Ash music, and it seemed ok, but it looks like you actually have to stop the loop before you can throw it into reverse mode. The others I haven't had a chance to try out, so I'm not sure what I should go with. Also, anyone have any suggestions for a good mixer with aux sends on each channel that'll allow me to mix the various signal paths (ie straight guitar, looping device 1, looping device 2, etc) into stereo? And one other thing: I'm toying with the idea of playing tapes and/or radio through the pickups on my guitar (I have a stock Mexican Standard Strat), but the signal seems to be too weak unless I use my distortion pedal. I'd like to be able to preserve at least some of the clarity of the "sampled" material, in case I should want something to be heard clearly (like say, if I was sampling a favorite line of dialog from a movie). Would a compressor solve this problem? I was also looking at the Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive, because of it's "clean boost" feature, but I'm not sure if that'll give me what I'm looking for (other than an apparently excellent overdrive effect, but that's another story altogether). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 13 22:58:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04762; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:57:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:57:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: First post (with a link) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:56:45 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1cb0c$42a46280$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020314033657.23356.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome to the list- You might try the Z-Vex "Super Hard On" or the new one with 2 diff settings- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: First post (with a link) Would a compressor solve this problem? I was also looking at the Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive, because of it's "clean boost" feature, but I'm not sure if that'll give me what I'm looking for (other than an apparently excellent overdrive effect, but that's another story altogether). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 00:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12588; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:34:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:34:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.25.115.160] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF Bay Area GIG SPAM: Fractal+Headshear+Loop.pooL Sat 16th Mar Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:33:53 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 05:33:53.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[D40CBCB0:01C1CB19] Resent-Message-ID: <1GxWt.A.SED.gZDk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, Just a quick e-mail to cordially invite folks to come and see Fractal playing at the Quarternote in Sunnyvale, California on Sat 16th March. We will be joined by our friends Headshear and Loop.pooL for a night filled with progressive, loopy and generally weird music. We hope to have a lot of fun and it would be great to have you join us. Things will start at sometime around 8:30-8:45 and continue well into the night. Summary Who: Fractal + Headshear + Loop.pooL When: Sat 16th March 2002, 8:30pm til late Where: The Quarternote, 1214 Apollo Way (corner of Lawrence and Central Expressways), Sunnyvale, CA For further details and directions please visit our web site at http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/fractal.html Hopefully we'll see some of you there. If you come along, please come and say hello...it'd be nice to meet some of the listers and put faces to those names :o) Cheers Fractal _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 09:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11624; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <193.3b62dcc.29c20c44@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:23:00 EST Subject: Re: SONAR 2 announced, features cool loop-based synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a, >(I personally dig the term "FSU" for the same sort of paradigm, as in >"F*&% S*&^ Up.") yeah; now, there's an acronym that warms the cockles of my own heart..... in pretty regular use, over here, as far as idiomatic descriptions go..... >And do you really think it's necessary to have 64-note triplet >subdivisions to do a worthwhile drum and bass production? all ya gotta do is double (triple, whatever) the tempo, in order to get to the finer metric subdivisions, if that's what ya wanna do, anyways..... >I've heard a >lot of good work in that realm done strictly by chopping patterns into >8th-notes and re-ordering the fragments that way. me, too..... esp. when the patterns include metric (and non-metric) interest beyond the 8th note..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 09:57:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13185; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:56:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:56:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.111.79] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digimax Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:55:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 14:55:34.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B3EF8E0:01C1CB68] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to replace the assorted cheapo pre's I've been using for day to day recording. I want to put something in front of my 2408. These Digimax seem good but I don't know anyone who has actually used one. Any takers? Also, if anyone knows the major difference between the regular and the LT that would be helpful too. Thanks. Nick Schillace Detroit in the Round _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 10:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14611; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:59:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:59:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: SONAR 2 announced,--Solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:54:10 -0500 Message-ID: <00d101c1cb68$19e80d40$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <193.3b62dcc.29c20c44@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm trying to culminate some ideas on how to go about getting some more interesting rhythm patterns out of my echoplex and turntable setup. 1 Echoplex 1 2-channel mixer 2 Turntables Does anyone have any good techniques that they use, on the echoplex, to double up and even triple up the beat? I ask because I'm working on a mix piece for a mixoff, and I wanted to do a lot of the things that I can do with ACID (Since I'm competing with a pool of folks who prefer digital as their vehicle and can do a wide array of beat chopping) or any other music editing program. I want to keep my piece within the confines of what I would use in front of an audience, and the echoplex is an integral piece thereof. One of the things I'm looking to do is chop the beat up so that I can keep cutting it in half and dramatically increasing the rhythmic tension, until release. ....In thinking about it, dt answered my question. >all ya gotta do is double (triple, whatever) the tempo, in order to get to the finer metric subdivisions, if that's what ya wanna do, anyways..... Some thoughts of possible beat chops: Using a record, record a tense bar Loop1 Rec 1-2-3-4 Rec 1-2 Rec 1 <--Kick drum next loop Rec 1-2-2-2 Rec 2-2 Rec 2 <--crash? Some kind of release into next passage Awww, these are just neophyte attempts <--frustration at inarticulation of an idea sets in....(I personally dig the term "FSU" for the same sort of paradigm, as in >"F*&% S*&^ Up.") yeah; now, there's an acronym that warms the cockles of my own heart..... in pretty regular use, over here, as far as idiomatic descriptions go..... >And do you really think it's necessary to have 64-note triplet >subdivisions to do a worthwhile drum and bass production? all ya gotta do is double (triple, whatever) the tempo, in order to get to the finer metric subdivisions, if that's what ya wanna do, anyways..... >I've heard a >lot of good work in that realm done strictly by chopping patterns into >8th-notes and re-ordering the fragments that way. me, too..... esp. when the patterns include metric (and non-metric) interest beyond the 8th note..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 10:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15510; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:12:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: EDP Midi Sync Question Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:07:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00d301c1cb69$f4bff530$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When you sync the edp to an external source (Let's say a beat counter) and you have a loop that is shorter than the tempo you are working with (lets say by an 8th or 16th note) what does the edp do? Does it insert silence, or wait for the next rhythmic cycle of the sync source? Or does it keep looping and do a polyrhythm thang, eventually sync'ing. I ask because I haven't tried it yet (obviously). Gracias for the knowledge. D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 10:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16045; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:19:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:19:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: FS: Korg MS-10 Patchable Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:23:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <193.3b62dcc.29c20c44@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Korg MS-10 for sale in great shape asking 500 thanks c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 10:43:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17557; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:40:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: SONAR 2 announced, features 64th note triplets Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:40:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, Thanks for your question. Sorry, Edit | Quantize has not been enhanced in SONAR 2.0 to list 64th note triplets. However, I just found out that you have been able to do 64th note Triplet Quantize (and higher) all along. Here's how: 1. If you are at 960 PPQN, 40 Ticks (if my math is correct) would equal 1 64th note triplet 2. Edit | Quantize. The Resolution field allows you to type in a number of ticks as opposed to selecting from a preset subdivision (eighth, 16th, etc.). Type in 40 ticks in that field. 3. Set your other Quantize settings the way you want them. And Voila, 64th note triplets. 4. You can save settings as a preset, so you can call it up again any time you like. I didn't realize you could do that either, so I think I'm going to feature that as a tip in our next newsletter. We have also added a Drum Grid editor with resolution up to 64th notes. Some of the other features of the drum grid are: A pattern brush that allows you to paint notes from 1000 preset patterns, or by using any .mid file; per-note mute and solo, note sorting, velocity tails; custom drum maps that can span multiple MIDI devices, multiple outputs, and DXi synths; you can preview different kits with real-time remapping. You can already get Glitch, Skitter, and Stutter effects in SONAR 1.0 by changing settings in the Loop Construction view. I've been experimenting with changing settings while loops play back in realtime, and routing the output to another track to record. I then chop the recording up and make new groove clips that feature the stutters. I disagree with you about SONAR being considered sub-professional. If you were talking about Pro Audio 9, I would concede, we needed to play some catch up then, but I feel that we leapfrogged the competition in a lot of areas with the release of SONAR. SONAR received nothing but great reviews across the board, none of them calling attention to the lack of 64th note triplets as a flaw. :) There is always room for improvement, so if you have any other suggestions (not just from Rick either, fellow loopers) please let me know. Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SONAR 2 announced, features cool loop-based synth Cool news, about the new looping features of SONAR 2. I really like the layout of this program but there is one feature that presents me from either using it or recommending it to my students of electronic composition: So far the first version, to the best of my cursory examination, does not support quantize rates lower than 32nd note triplets. In order to compose drum & bass, jungle or glitch or skitter (all very popular new idioms in electronica and electronic pop) it is very necessary to have quantize to 64 note triplets if not higher. Has this issue been addressed in Sonar 2. I know that Sonar is considered to be slightly sub-professional, but I honestly think it would give the expensive Cubase and Logic a run for their money if this issue were addressed . The program is a lot more intuitive than either of those midi programs IMHO. Good luck. Thanks for sharing the news of another good looping tool for us to explore. Yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 12:13:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24502; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:11:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:11:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C90D91A.5FDE2BF5@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:08:42 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SONAR 2 announced, features cool loop-based synth References: <193.3b62dcc.29c20c44@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > a, > >(I personally dig the term "FSU" for the same sort of paradigm, as in > >"F*&% S*&^ Up.") > yeah; now, there's an acronym that warms the cockles of my own heart..... > in pretty regular use, over here, as far as idiomatic descriptions go..... > > >And do you really think it's necessary to have 64-note triplet > >subdivisions to do a worthwhile drum and bass production? > all ya gotta do is double (triple, whatever) the tempo, in order to get to > the finer metric subdivisions, if that's what ya wanna do, anyways..... > I step entered once the melody of Zappa's black page in cubase and had to double the tempo to have enough tics for those nested tuplets and used excel to find out (in nb of tics) the notes start and duration. imagine 11 notes for the duration of one triplet half note.... I dont have the time to do such silly thing now hence I play simpler. Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 12:14:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24742; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:12:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804B39@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: First post (with a link) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:12:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1CB7B.62359820" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1CB7B.62359820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" or the fulltone fatboost, which has the added bonuses of a tone control, input control and status led (which was a problem with the sho, imho). i think the vex super duper (the 2-channel sho) has status leds. stig -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:Om-Studios@Om-Studios.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: First post (with a link) Welcome to the list- You might try the Z-Vex "Super Hard On" or the new one with 2 diff settings- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: First post (with a link) Would a compressor solve this problem? I was also looking at the Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive, because of it's "clean boost" feature, but I'm not sure if that'll give me what I'm looking for (other than an apparently excellent overdrive effect, but that's another story altogether). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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or the fulltone fatboost, which has the added bonuses of = a tone control, input control and status led (which was a problem with the = sho, imho). i think the vex super duper (the 2-channel sho) has status leds= .

stig

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Welcome to the list-

You might try the Z-Vex "Super Hard On" or the = new one with 2 diff
settings-

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:37 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Would a compressor solve this problem? I was also
looking at the Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive, because
of it's "clean boost" feature, but I'm not sur= e
if that'll give me what I'm looking for (other
than an apparently excellent overdrive effect,
but that's another story altogether).

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris

"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of= flamingos?"-James
Earl Jones

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1CB7B.62359820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 14:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01962; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:34:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:34:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:33:13 -0500 To: Tom Ritchford From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 3/16: loop NY loops again! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop NY continues its loopy fun! it's every Saturday afternoon from 1pm to 7pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d for more info, http://loopNY.com. this week, we anticipate David Beardsley Harry Esq Pedro Felix Enrique Lunaholder other random guests as usual and the usual loop NY loopies: Stv Jns Tom Ritchford Lena Strayhorn come, loop or listen, relax at Chama! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 14:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02649; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:41:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:41:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c1cb90$233cc980$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: loop NY loops again! Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:40:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any recordings made? It's like a leedle loop fest every week. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: "Tom Ritchford" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: 3/16: loop NY loops again! > loop NY continues its loopy fun! > > it's every Saturday afternoon from 1pm to 7pm > at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d > > > for more info, http://loopNY.com. > > > this week, we anticipate > David Beardsley > Harry Esq > Pedro Felix > Enrique Lunaholder > other random guests as usual > > > and the usual loop NY loopies: > > Stv Jns > Tom Ritchford > Lena Strayhorn > > > come, loop or listen, relax at Chama! > > /t > > > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 14:49:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03207; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:48:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:48:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a501c1cb90$233cc980$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <00a501c1cb90$233cc980$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:47:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: loop NY loops again! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Any recordings made? It's like a leedle loop fest every week. it all gets recorded direct-to-digital and right off the board. now I haven't actually LISTENED to them but my schedule clears up next week and we hope to get some mp3s and some CDs ready for the next week! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 17:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16184; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:24:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:24:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: billcumm@jhmanage.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:36:08 -0600 Message-ID: <006001c1cbb1$048576b0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: HarryEsq@aol.com, "Daniel Ash (home)" , "Bob (home e mail) Cummings" Reply-To: "billcumm@jhmanage.com" References: <00a501c1cb90$233cc980$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: loop NY loops again! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Tom, I've been itchin to come down for this, but i live in Rye and it's usually hard to get into the city on Sat because of kid commitments etc. I am coming in the following Saturday (3/23) though for an early concert [David Sancious Trio & Mahavishnu Project at the Bottom Line), so I'm just checkin witcha, will you all be looping on Saturday 3/23? I hope so, as in theory I might be able to come in earlier and attend the loops in the afternoon before we head to the club. Let me know when you can. Thanks, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: loop NY loops again! > >Any recordings made? It's like a leedle loop fest every week. > > it all gets recorded direct-to-digital and right off the board. > > now I haven't actually LISTENED to them but my schedule clears > up next week and we hope to get some mp3s and some CDs ready > for the next week! > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 18:52:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20997; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:46:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:46:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9135A5.AF9E1889@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:43:32 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dylan@loudcloud.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP References: <00d101c1cb68$19e80d40$6142a8c0@dyland> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dylan, Dylan DeAnda wrote: > I'm trying to culminate some ideas on how to go about getting some more > interesting rhythm patterns out of my echoplex and turntable setup. > > One of the things I'm looking to do is chop the beat up so that I can keep > cutting it in half and dramatically increasing the rhythmic tension, until > release. Try this. (It's a bit complex, but should be worth your while). Record a basic drum beat into the EDP. BUT: Before you do that, do a few things - -- Set quantize=on -- Set insertmode=insert I'm assuming you've got the EDP chasing some sort of sync from the turntables. Now... Rather than recording the entire beat as a single cycle, do this instead: 1) Hit record 2) Hit insert WHILE RECORD IS STILL GOING. 3) You should now see that new cycles are forming in the display window of the EDP, even as you're continuing to record the initial loop. 4) When you get to the end of a measure, hit insert again to finish recording the initial loop. What you should have now is a basic loop that's already been subdivided into different cycles, sort of like an EDP version of ReCycle. So, now that you've got a beat that's subdivided in this way, there's all sorts of stuff you can do: -- Remultiply part of the pattern (by hitting multiply at the beginning of the cycle you want to start at, and then ending it somewhere else). This can shorten the pattern; it's also cool to remultiply the loop down to an odd number of cycles, so that you get an odd-metered loop happening against the original beat coming from the turntables. -- After you've remultiplied down to a smaller number of cycles, hit the "undo" button -- you'll start scrolling through different memory laters in interesting and unpredictable ways. This is a trick I stumbled onto (quite by accident) along with David Torn back in March of '98 (I know some other people had discovered it as well, at that point); it's a fun "trick" to pull. My (latest) name for this is "unmultiply." A more advanced application of this basic idea, using multiple loops: -- Once you've recorded your basic loop, keep the original in loop 1, and copy it to several other loops. You can then mess with the original loop to your heart's content, and go back to loop one if you want to return to the original idea. If you have switchquant=on and loopcopy=sound, then you can switch back and forth between different loops, quantized to each new cycle. I've actually done some drum & bass type stuff along these lines (using my guitar as the "drum" source), playing with switching back and forth between loops 2-4 rhythmically, and then landing back on the original, uncut loop at the downbeat of every other bar. Anyway... hope this helps. Holler if I'm not clear on anything here... Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 21:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11214; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:26:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:26:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314180141.029a71b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:21:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Midi Sync Question In-Reply-To: <00d301c1cb69$f4bff530$6142a8c0@dyland> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:07 AM 3/14/2002, Dylan DeAnda wrote: >When you sync the edp to an external source (Let's say a beat counter) and >you have a loop that is shorter than the tempo you are working with (lets >say by an 8th or 16th note) what does the edp do? >Does it insert silence, or wait for the next rhythmic cycle of the sync >source? Or does it keep looping and do a polyrhythm thang, eventually >sync'ing. If the loop is shorter than the sync time, the EDP will start to play it again and then retrigger when the sync point defined by the midi clock comes. If the loop is longer than the sync time, the EDP retriggers the loop before it is completely through it, so the startpoint lines up with the startpoint defined by the external clock. This retriggering is only done within a certain tolerance of clock variation. If the clock changes by more than about 5 BPM, the EDP assumes the user wants things to go out of sync and stops trying to sync the loop. So then you go into your polyrhythmic territory. Since this sort of retriggering method produces audio glitches at the startpoint, the EDP is also has some tolerance for being "close enough". This prevents it from retriggering every single time even if the sync is only off by half a millisecond, which would be irritating from constant pops and glitches. (I think the jamman has this problem.) The net result works pretty well for me. I'm mildly obsessive about keeping rhythms tight with sync, and tested this stuff mercilessly during development of the last EDP software version. I think Matthias nearly went insane from it. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 22:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15103; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:05:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:56:58 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Cali Loop Tour 2002?! - Here we go In-reply-to: <3C881108.54B8FC3@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <86.1784c51b.29b92c01@aol.com> <3C881108.54B8FC3@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:16 PM -0800 3/7/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Zvonar said he's in LA for the 30th, so getting him in on things this >time around might be a challenge, if it happens that weekend. My March 30 obligation could conceivably be changed, but my scheduling problems are a bit more "sweeping" than that. I'm planning to be in the Santa Cruz/Bay Area on Sunday/Monday March 24-25 and possibly again on April 6. That's a lot of driving. Best to arrange things around others' schedules and allow me to plug in if it's practical. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 14 22:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17151; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:55:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:55:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:50:17 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: LOOPING CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE: San Luis Obispo vs. Santa Cruz In-reply-to: <3C8B1C92.8754.578953@localhost> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C8B1C92.8754.578953@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having just driven the Great Loop from Los Angeles to San Francisco, passing through both Santa Cruz and San Luis Obispo along the way, I was "out of the loop" during this discussion. However, in my usual didactic manner I want to bring up a few historical points concerning the genesis of looping as we know it, arguing that San Francisco was probably the wellspring (though probably not the current hotbed). Although people had been making tape loops and using tape delay and overdubbing techniques before her, Pauline Oliveros can rightly be credited as a foremost practitioner of live tape delay performance in the late 1950s and early 1960s. She got her first tape recorder in 1953 and was soon using it in unusual ways. Pauline started threading tape between two decks to get long delays (thereby anticipating Eno by more than a decade and very likely giving him the idea). P.O. wasn't alone in this, of course. Since the scene that grew out of the S.F. Conservatory new music concerts and evolved into the San Francisco Tape Center was inherently collaborative, musical ideas and techniques flowed quickly through the community. Terry Riley was also a major figure in this group, and his use of tape delay and repetitive musical patterns was probably a formative influence on many contemporary loopers (I'll credit both him and Pauline with my first use of tape delay in 1975 - in Santa Cruz!). Terry in turn had an influence on Steve Reich, who was also working at the Tape Center. The tape loop-based pieces "It's Gonna Rain" (1965) and "Come Out" (1966) opened the door to Reich's later pattern/repetition/phasing pieces for instruments. Evolving alongside tape techniques was Don Buchla's modular synthesizer, and it is interesting to remember that the analog step sequencer was introduced as part of the Buchla 100 system, in response to Mort Subotnick's musical needs. It's also important to note that during this seminal period the Bay Area (and indeed other places along the West Coast) we also centers of great interest in world music. Gamelan, African drumming, and other non-western musics were being studied and performed in universities and such specialized schools and music centers as the Ali Akbar College of Music and the Center for World Music. The cyclic and contrapuntal character of many of these musics were essential influences on developing loopism. I arrived in the Bay Area in 1974 and started doing electroacoustic music when I moved to Santa Cruz the following year. All of the musical influences mentioned above were heavily "in the air" and were effectively part of a new music commmon practice. A few composer-performers such as Ingram Marshall, Henry Kaiser, the Electric Weasel Ensemble (including Don Buchla and Allen Strange), and later on Paul Dresher, were performing with delay and loop systems. By that time Pauline was at U.C. San Diego, the Tape Center was well established at Mills, Gordon Mumma was at U.C. Santa Cruz, Daniel Lentz was in Santa Barbara. There was a free flow of live electronic music up and down the state, and clearly this is becoming so again. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 00:19:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24571; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:18:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C91853D.23A75B43@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:29:20 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPING CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE: San Luis Obispo vs. Santa Cruz References: <3C8B1C92.8754.578953@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: (snip) > > I arrived in the Bay Area in 1974 and started doing electroacoustic > music when I moved to Santa Cruz the following year. All of the > musical influences mentioned above were heavily "in the air" and were > effectively part of a new music commmon practice. A few > composer-performers such as Ingram Marshall, Henry Kaiser, the > Electric Weasel Ensemble (including Don Buchla and Allen Strange), > and later on Paul Dresher, were performing with delay and loop > systems. By that time Pauline was at U.C. San Diego, the Tape Center > was well established at Mills, Gordon Mumma was at U.C. Santa Cruz, > Daniel Lentz was in Santa Barbara. There was a free flow of live > electronic music up and down the state, and clearly this is becoming > so again. > > thanks for the brief but fascinating history! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 00:46:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26412; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <47.19bbf368.29c2e457@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:44:55 EST Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA26288 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andré gave dylan some great ridmic/a-ridmic tips: check 'em again, kiddies: lovely! dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 01:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30023; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:25:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:25:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:24:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c1cbea$1fed0f60$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-reply-to: <47.19bbf368.29c2e457@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA29947 Resent-Message-ID: <9KI7kD.A.KUH.qOZk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's alreddy in my "Loop Saving" folder- heard? Thanks Andre- C -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP andré gave dylan some great ridmic/a-ridmic tips: check 'em again, kiddies: lovely! dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 02:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03776; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:57:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:57:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f901c1cb92$a493d4e0$5463f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203141714.MAA24998@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: stutter effects/64th note triplets and workarounds in SONAR Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:58:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <7tsawB.A.a5.vkak8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Andre and d/t for you suggestions about creating midi stutter effects. I am familiar with those but still think it is valuable for a midi program to quantize to smaller note values so that you can keep things like conventional backbeats in place. BTW, Andre, GLITCH is the correct genre term and OPAL is the band to check out. I use STUTTER because it is what everybody is doing these days. I don't think it is considered a genre, though (although someone will probably prove me wrong on this one). Long live FSU!!!!! I also am talking about early jungle when more of this technique was being used (before glitch even occurred...........except the 15 bands, unbenkownst to me,that were probably doing it in the 60's that Richard Zvonar will tell us about ;-). Modern jungle, frankly has been very commercial and boring to me (please enlighten me with listening suggestions all you modern junglists out there). Also, big thanks to Carl for the workaround on creating 64 note triplets in Sonar and thanks for the correction about the 'professional' quality of Sonar. Please forgive my misunderstanding...........I don't actually have the program and was only going on outdated word of mouth. It is exceedingly cool that a company listens to what the folks in the trenches are doing and repsonds to them..................Big Kudos to Carl and SONAR!!!! David also mentioned conventional and unconventional clusterings of notes. I particularly love taking two solid drinking glasses (the older fashioned heavy kind that have a lot of dense glass at the bottom of the glass) and forcing them together. If you slow the sample down you can hear the d d d d d d d d d d d d d dddddddddddddddd quality of the mutliple bounce. It just sounds like an upwards chrystiline pitch bend at normal speed. I am so fascinated about stretching rhythms within the normal confines of a 4/4 or 3/4 time signature and am working a lot on ways of teaching oneself to be able to play this stuff. When I get a little more time (two c drive failures in the last three weeks....................sheeesh) I'll post a couple of very hip ways to teach oneself how to practise different time stretches (or molays as they have been called in Brazilian music) using computer looping tools................remind me if I forget if anyone is interested. I have also really been interested in clusters of notes being percieved a single rhythmic event. I'm actually really experimenting a lot with this concept in the realm of acoustic trapset drumming and hand percussion, using multiple bounces by unusual beaters: plastic martinia skewers, pieces of plastic, metal barbecue skewers as well as conventional drum stick'buzz' strikes and multiple jazz brush strikes. I've also been buying all kinds of different chains (from punk wristlets to nightlight chains to chain links for fences) that cause multiple bounces on cymbals, snares, toms, et. al. Percussionists out there: try this shit out on a tight dumbec with a synthetic skin..............it rocks Well, got to go..............I'm off to flash the BIOS on music computer #2 in the big room here at Purple Hand Studios (ha ha ha............it is all of 10' X 10', as opposed to the little room at Purple Hand Studios, which is our former kitchen table.....ha ha ha) hope to see some L. D. ers at the Fractal/Loop.pooL/Headshear show on Saturday night at the Quarter Note in Sunnyvale details below. yours, Rick Walker (aka, loop.pool) Who: Fractal + Headshear + Loop.pooL When: Sat 16th March 2002, 8:30pm til late Where: The Quarternote, 1214 Apollo Way (corner of Lawrence and Central Expressways), Sunnyvale, CA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 04:31:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10387; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:30:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:30:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fb01c1cb9f$bcdca560$5463f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203141714.MAA24998@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: BOOM BOOM BOX Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:32:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guys, you got to check this shit out!!!!!!! The pubescent teen accesory store CLAIRES (in most discerning malls) is closing out an awesome battery powered amplifier called a BOOM BOOM BOX. It is a carrying case with a battery powered amplifier (4 aa batteries) and two speakers that has a stereo mini plug connector.............it is available in baby pink, sparkly purple and sparkly blue (to satisfy the inner 12 year old girl in all of us ). They are blowing them out for $12.50 (down from the retail, $25). I bought a purple one, brought it home and hooked it up to my wierd purple plastic mini keyboard (25 sounds, $10----TOYS R US) and this thing rocks!!!!!! It is really , really loud and it distorts in a very cool way. I'm going to buy another one tomorrow and go down to the Mall with a battery powered line 6 DL4 and try to get myself arrested on the anti-amplified music ordinance!!!!! ;-) Get 'em while they are hot!!!! Rick (aka, loop.p........yeah, yeah, yeah) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 04:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11233; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:54:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:54:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.a4b89f3.29c31e93@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:53:23 EST Subject: Behringer Processor with sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: support@behringer.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA11095 Resent-Message-ID: <3zrJPC.A.mtC.LTck8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the new Behringer Virtualizer 2024 (Reviewed) Loopy functions A stereo delay with L & R sides independantly adjustable from .01s to 5.5s. 100% feedback. (previous Behringer models wouldn't do 100%. Good clear sounding delays. A Sampler (5s stereo) You can record onto 5s of memory. If you go past the 5s, you overwrite from the beginning again. You can play back any section of that memory, at normal speed or 2 octaves up or down (although the pitch resolution is poor, only octaves are musically accurate). Playback is looped forward, looped backward, or for a selectable number of repeats. The interesting thing is that you can do playback and record simultaneously, even when playing at a different speed reversed!!! You can also edit the loop length non destructively while looping, as playback is between start and end points which are editable (although you always record onto the full 5s) Right now I have the radio playing into this, I'm hearing a short loop, the content of which changes every 5s. Non-loop stuff includes...................................... 0.6s echo with filtered repeats. A very passable selection of reverbs, mellow sounding and tweakable enough for special FX Filters with LFO or envelope control, quite good quality. (useful) Compressors,Gates, De-Esser, Enharncers etc. Three note harmoniser, digi-sound but glitch free. Naff Vocoder (but has its own noise source, so good for electropercussion sounds triggered from guitar) Flangers, Choruses , Phasers , tremolos, autopans, vibrato. The chorus is very lush. These are generally tweakable into bizarreness. A resonator, with LFO or envelope control. (tweakable into madness) Ring modulator (good ringing sound) Various simulations :- scratchy Vinyl, guitar amps and speakers, tube distortion , fuzz. There's even a dying valve amp, complete with spluttering valves and a very accurately modelled 50Hz mains hum. (.....but why?) This is a combination of the older Virtualizer and Modulizer. The Modulizer is a favourite of mine( a collection of all the FX that get left out of most multi-processors) and this has all those functions, but they have been improved quite a lot. Sound quality is v.good. The manual is a bit lacking, doesn't describe the functions very well. The noise gate is called a "gated reverb" The dying valve amp isn't mentioned. Editing sounds is fairly easy from the front panel. Build quality is excellent. Midi controllable, and sends MIDI controls. There's a slight physical hum from the transformer. The price was £109 (GBP) ( so well under $200) In five years time Rick Walker will pick one of these up at very reduced price, he will cover it with tacky sticky stuff, he will rave about it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 09:26:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28024; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:25:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:25:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:24:13 EST Subject: glitch? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rick, i don't really know what 'glitch' is, either -[though some folks will therein lumpify takemura, jenkinson, aphex, kid koala (!), autechre, uziq, b.o.c., y. hanno, etc]- but: >BTW, Andre, GLITCH is the correct genre term and OPAL is the band to >check out. maybe you meant to say 'OVAL', rather than 'OPAL'? and..... 'oval' isn't a band, though, but..... yet another loner, afaik..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 09:42:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28659; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:41:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: glitch? Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:36:10 -0500 Message-ID: <011a01c1cc2e$c0dc4eb0$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <8xJXpD.A.c_G.Cggk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kid koala <--Going to see him and his funk band Bullfrog on the 20th in DC. Whoo hoo! He is an incredibly unique turntablist. b.o.c.<--Just recently got into their listless-beat-environmentally-ambient-cleverly-done-with-cheese music. Just me piping up with excitement to see Kid Koala work his vinyl scrubbin' mojo all over the capital beltway. D -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: glitch? rick, i don't really know what 'glitch' is, either -[though some folks will therein lumpify takemura, jenkinson, aphex, kid koala (!), autechre, uziq, b.o.c., y. hanno, etc]- but: >BTW, Andre, GLITCH is the correct genre term and OPAL is the band to >check out. maybe you meant to say 'OVAL', rather than 'OPAL'? and..... 'oval' isn't a band, though, but..... yet another loner, afaik..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 10:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31419; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:10:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:10:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C920E9B.9090108@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:09:15 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: glitch? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what's b.o.c? somehow i cant believe you are putting Blue Oyster Cult into the same box as those other guys, but maybe i haven't been listening close enough. -jas Albuquerque Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >rick, >i don't really know what 'glitch' is, either -[though some folks will therein >lumpify takemura, jenkinson, aphex, kid koala (!), autechre, uziq, b.o.c., y. >hanno, etc]- but: > >>BTW, Andre, GLITCH is the correct genre term and OPAL is the band to >>check out. >> > >maybe you meant to say 'OVAL', rather than 'OPAL'? > >and..... 'oval' isn't a band, though, but..... yet another loner, afaik..... >best, >dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 10:20:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32105; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:19:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:19:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: glitch? Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:14:05 -0500 Message-ID: <011b01c1cc34$0cb18210$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C920E9B.9090108@cabq.gov> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boards of Canada The name relates to the Nat'l Film Boards of CA, apparently they are some pretty interesting films that gradeschool kids were subjected to. D -----Original Message----- From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: glitch? what's b.o.c? somehow i cant believe you are putting Blue Oyster Cult into the same box as those other guys, but maybe i haven't been listening close enough. -jas Albuquerque Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >rick, >i don't really know what 'glitch' is, either -[though some folks will therein >lumpify takemura, jenkinson, aphex, kid koala (!), autechre, uziq, b.o.c., y. >hanno, etc]- but: > >>BTW, Andre, GLITCH is the correct genre term and OPAL is the band to >>check out. >> > >maybe you meant to say 'OVAL', rather than 'OPAL'? > >and..... 'oval' isn't a band, though, but..... yet another loner, afaik..... >best, >dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 11:26:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04189; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:25:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:25:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: "'Andre LaFosse'" Cc: Subject: RE: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:20:00 -0500 Message-ID: <012001c1cc3d$41f437c0$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C9135A5.AF9E1889@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, Holy Cow! (couldn't contain my excitement any longer...sorry) That's two juicy tips that I've gleened this month. Thanks a million, Andre. This is exactly what I was looking for, I am going to go home and try this around 438 different times with around 439 different beats, to see what comes out. Yeah! I'm feelin' a lot of love in this room right now.......well not that much, since I'm in a "Misty Sand" colored cubicle. Thanks for the love LD. D -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:44 PM To: dylan@loudcloud.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Hi Dylan, Dylan DeAnda wrote: > I'm trying to culminate some ideas on how to go about getting some more > interesting rhythm patterns out of my echoplex and turntable setup. > > One of the things I'm looking to do is chop the beat up so that I can keep > cutting it in half and dramatically increasing the rhythmic tension, until > release. Try this. (It's a bit complex, but should be worth your while). Record a basic drum beat into the EDP. BUT: Before you do that, do a few things - -- Set quantize=on -- Set insertmode=insert I'm assuming you've got the EDP chasing some sort of sync from the turntables. Now... Rather than recording the entire beat as a single cycle, do this instead: 1) Hit record 2) Hit insert WHILE RECORD IS STILL GOING. 3) You should now see that new cycles are forming in the display window of the EDP, even as you're continuing to record the initial loop. 4) When you get to the end of a measure, hit insert again to finish recording the initial loop. What you should have now is a basic loop that's already been subdivided into different cycles, sort of like an EDP version of ReCycle. So, now that you've got a beat that's subdivided in this way, there's all sorts of stuff you can do: -- Remultiply part of the pattern (by hitting multiply at the beginning of the cycle you want to start at, and then ending it somewhere else). This can shorten the pattern; it's also cool to remultiply the loop down to an odd number of cycles, so that you get an odd-metered loop happening against the original beat coming from the turntables. -- After you've remultiplied down to a smaller number of cycles, hit the "undo" button -- you'll start scrolling through different memory laters in interesting and unpredictable ways. This is a trick I stumbled onto (quite by accident) along with David Torn back in March of '98 (I know some other people had discovered it as well, at that point); it's a fun "trick" to pull. My (latest) name for this is "unmultiply." A more advanced application of this basic idea, using multiple loops: -- Once you've recorded your basic loop, keep the original in loop 1, and copy it to several other loops. You can then mess with the original loop to your heart's content, and go back to loop one if you want to return to the original idea. If you have switchquant=on and loopcopy=sound, then you can switch back and forth between different loops, quantized to each new cycle. I've actually done some drum & bass type stuff along these lines (using my guitar as the "drum" source), playing with switching back and forth between loops 2-4 rhythmically, and then landing back on the original, uncut loop at the downbeat of every other bar. Anyway... hope this helps. Holler if I'm not clear on anything here... Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 11:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04377; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:33:18 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Gear for sale... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c1cc3f$1d908120$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200203141714.MAA24998@hemlock.violacea.com> <00fb01c1cb9f$bcdca560$5463f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: <9SaOzD.A.GEB.xEik8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Slightly OT... but great loop manglers! It's twue! It's twue! I've put my Korg AM8000R up for auction on eBay... It's a killer sound mangler - post processor as well as a great general instrument effector. Reserve is $275 / Buy Now $325. Just search for AM8000R. I *haven't* yet put my Lexicon PCM80 up on eBay, but will take reasonable offers on it. It's got the latest s/w version and there's a Dual FX PCMCIA card which will go with it. Thanks, -Miko Biffle biffoz@pacbell.net 831.588.8162 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 11:45:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04986; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:44:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:44:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:44:57 -0500 Subject: phil keaggy/ric hordinski loop concerts From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c1cc3f$1d908120$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, phil keaggy (one of the great loopers of our day) and i (also a bit of a looper...) are playing a few concerts together. here are the dates and contact information. 3/22/2002 Grand Rapids MI Calvin College 616.957.6282 3/23/2002 Defiance OH 419.782.2100 3/24/2002 Toledo OH 419.381.0254 there will also be a monk/ric hordinski concert in cincinnati on may 3rd at the york st cafe/concert venue. if you have questions, feel free to email me. peace ric -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 11:58:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05952; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:57:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:57:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.2387b2be.29c381a9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:56:09 EST Subject: OT--Everyman Band/Without Warning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I just got notified that a backorder I'd made a long time ago to SongSearch (http://www.songsearch.com) has paid off unexpectedly. They are sending me a CD of Mr. Torn's recording (on ECM) with the Everyman Band "Without Warning." Yippee. Something new to listen to. But it wasn't cheap though ($33.58) probably an import from the EU. There are a number of artists I am curious enough about to try to obtain every possible available recording of. Mr. Torn is just one of them. There are several others. This is not as some sort of sick fan "fetishism" but from a real interest in how their musical concepts developed over time. Anybody out there who's already heard it wanna clue me in as to what I'm in for. I got info about musical personnel from the web already . . . and of course it's an ECM recording . . . but beyond that I haven't got a clue. Does Hedewa7@aol.com wanna offer any commentary himself? Any looping on this thang DT-SC? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 12:21:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08094; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:20:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:20:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRtE/ceOuK2OhnGKoURha+NSyW4CgIUDfisPz9SqMtF+EqKiRAUN8ySGGM= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:19:55 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stutter effects/64th note triplets and workarounds in SONAR Message-ID: <4715-3C922D3B-429@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 's message of Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:58:39 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loop.Pool in Wonderland! Which side of the mushroom did you eat. Thats some trippy experimentation of found objects. When I was small I used to stick my finger in the living room fan and slow it down, then speed it, up then slow it down, and on and on for hours. Loop that and reverse it. In rhythm, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 12:33:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08700; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:31:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:31:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <78.23966805.29c389d0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:30:56 EST Subject: Re: glitch? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <_17mBC.A.xHC.AAjk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jfink@cabq.gov writes: >what's b.o.c? sorry..... boards of canada. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 12:37:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09178; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:36:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:36:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <17e.51ae10f.29c38ad7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:35:19 EST Subject: Re: OT--Everyman Band/Without Warning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: >Does Hedewa7@aol.com >wanna offer any commentary himself? nope! *-) >Any looping on this thang DT-SC? i think i did some reverb-freezing on at least one track, but haven't heard the music in so long that i can nay remember..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 12:38:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08715; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:32:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:32:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <17b.52317d1.29c389a4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:30:12 EST Subject: Re: glitch? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dylan@loudcloud.com writes: >Just me piping up with excitement to see Kid Koala work his vinyl scrubbin' >mojo all over the capital beltway. "i got-ta rock"..... *-) best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 12:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09236; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:37:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:37:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <134.afcfb85.29c38b1f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:36:31 EST Subject: Re: OT--Everyman Band/Without Warning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: >They are sending me a CD of Mr. Torn's >recording (on ECM) with the Everyman Band "Without Warning." anyway: i thought that said disc was still in print? 'cloud about mercury' & 'best laid plans' certainly are. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 12:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08897; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:33:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:33:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <29.24186e41.29c38a39@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:32:41 EST Subject: Re: Gear for sale... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com miko, >I *haven't* yet put my Lexicon PCM80 up on eBay, but will take reasonable >offers on it. It's got the latest s/w version and there's a Dual FX PCMCIA >card which will go with it. ..... loosely interested, here. how many bucks? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 12:43:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09862; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:42:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:42:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT--Everyman Band/Without Warning Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:42:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2002 17:42:04.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8309DB0:01C1CC48] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah. It took & years of searching but I found my "Without Warning" CD at the ‘Mole Jazz’ record shop in London. A small shop but w/ lots of ECM titles. I also found the first EMB record at the ‘bop shop’ in my hometown of Rochester NY. Of course I can't listen to it as my turntable went boom boom. :( Cheers Lou Rossi.. > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 12:47:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10077; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:46:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:46:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3b.2387b2be.29c381a9@aol.com> References: <3b.2387b2be.29c381a9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:55:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: OT--Everyman Band/Without Warning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi all, > >I just got notified that a backorder I'd made a long time ago >to SongSearch (http://www.songsearch.com) has paid off >unexpectedly. They are sending me a CD of Mr. Torn's >recording (on ECM) with the Everyman Band "Without Warning." >Yippee. Something new to listen to. But it wasn't cheap though >($33.58) probably an import from the EU. > >There are a number of artists I am curious enough about to >try to obtain every possible available recording of. Mr. Torn >is just one of them. There are several others. This is not as >some sort of sick fan "fetishism" but from a real interest >in how their musical concepts developed over time. > >Anybody out there who's already heard it wanna clue me in as >to what I'm in for. I got info about musical personnel from the >web already . . . and of course it's an ECM recording . . . but >beyond that I haven't got a clue. Does Hedewa7@aol.com >wanna offer any commentary himself? Any looping on this >thang DT-SC? > >Best, > >Ted Killian The first, self-titled Everyman Band lp, on ECM, was my introduction to Torn. I remember buying because the front-cover blurb said something about the band members having played with Lou Reed and Don Cherry, I figured that had to be a pretty eclectic mix. Great, burning fusion stuff, with some killing guitar solos. Converted me to slobbering fandom for life! Did this ever get issued on CD? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 12:51:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10331; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:50:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:50:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000701c1cbea$1fed0f60$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:49:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2002 17:49:27.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0149DA0:01C1CC49] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes thanks Andre, definitely toilet paper material. (That is, I've printed it out and put it in my bathroom along with my logic audio and echoplex manuals, for those... uhh, difficult, studio breaks.) > It's alreddy in my "Loop Saving" folder- heard? Thanks Andre- > > C > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP > > andré gave dylan some great ridmic/a-ridmic tips: > check 'em again, kiddies: > lovely! > dt / splattercell > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 13:09:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12373; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:08:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:08:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:00:34 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: BOOM BOOM BOX In-reply-to: <00fb01c1cb9f$bcdca560$5463f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200203141714.MAA24998@hemlock.violacea.com> <00fb01c1cb9f$bcdca560$5463f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:32 PM -0800 3/14/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >The pubescent teen accesory store CLAIRES http://www.claires.com/ http://www.claires.com/cgi-bin/mqinterconnect.exe?link=store_locator Lucky me, there are over a dozen Claire's stores within a half hour of here. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 13:12:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12571; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:11:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:11:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C920E9B.9090108@cabq.gov> References: <3C920E9B.9090108@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:19:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: glitch? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >what's b.o.c? somehow i cant believe you are putting Blue Oyster Cult >into the same box as those other guys, but maybe i haven't been >listening close enough. More cowbell!! (Of course, referring to the hilarious SNL "Behind the Music" spoof of the "Don't Fear the Reaper" sessions, with Christopher Walken as Sandy Pearlman) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 13:44:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14176; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:43:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:43:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:47:49 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Gear for sale... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c1cc51$e7aee2a0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29.24186e41.29c38a39@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey David... I'd like to come away in the 1K range if possible. I remember fairly recently that they were going mostly in the $1100 - $1200 range but that seems to have come down a bit. Let me know if you'd like it or make an offer... Best, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Gear for sale... > miko, > > >I *haven't* yet put my Lexicon PCM80 up on eBay, but will take reasonable > >offers on it. It's got the latest s/w version and there's a Dual FX PCMCIA > >card which will go with it. > ..... loosely interested, here. > how many bucks? > best, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 14:37:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17801; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:35:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:35:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <91.19d3119c.29c3a6db@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:34:51 EST Subject: Re: OT--Everyman Band/Without Warning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo, In a message dated 3/15/02 9:37:27 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >i thought that said disc was still in print? >'cloud about mercury' & 'best laid plans' certainly are. I believe it is too -- but only in "distribution" in Europe. It can be ordered from ECM directly (if you can figure out how to make payment in deutsche marks). The folks at SongSearch either found a copy in somebody's inventory somewhere here in the US or ordered it themselves from ECM. I suspect the latter. Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 14:57:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18864; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:56:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:56:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C920E9B.9090108@cabq.gov> References: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:00:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: John Scofield doing a little looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I caught John Scofield at the House of Blues (L.A.) last night. It was a nice show...he's a got a great rhythm section with him, including a rhythm guitarist -- the same core lineup from his latest album "uberjam".....nice fusion of jazz, funky jazz, and some electronic groove thrown in (Avi Bortnick, the rhythm guitarist used a sampler/groove box setup) -- it all blended well. Anyways, John had a Boomerang in his setup, which he used sparingly, but to good effect...he usually put some licks in there, then ran it backwards, while he played licks over the top of it. He open and closed the show by fading in/out a loop. Anwyays, if he comes your way, and your into funky jazz, I recommend checking him out. The backup band is worth seeing by themselves! - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 14:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19105; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:57:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:57:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:53:10 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Laptop looping X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last weekend I attended the Other Minds festival in San Francisco and talked to Godmother of Looping, Pauline Oliveros, and Queen of Vocal Loops, Pamela Z. I found out that in both cases these artists have replaced their stacks of dedicated looping delays with PowerBooks and Max/MSP. Pauline, as I've mentioned, has been performing with delays since the 1950s and since the '80s she's been using multiple PCM-42s and PCM-70s (four of each). Her major performances are done in octaphonic surround sound. These days both the delay processing and the sound distribution are done in the PowerBook with a MOTU 828 Firewire audio interface. She wasn't performing in this way at the festival, so I can't comment on specific sound or techniques, but in the past she performed the delays herself with a set of pedals and a Max interface for MIDI control. The reverb processing was regulated by a sound mixer/processor at the house console, and at least during one period of time the main strategy was to move among different virtual acoustic spaces. Here are some URLs: http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline/ http://www.pofinc.org/ http://www.disquiet.com/oliveros.html http://www.newalbion.com/artists/oliverosp/ http://www.pofinc.org/EIShome.html http://www.deeplistening.org/news/DLB.html Pamela Z's performance rig at one time consisted of three "classic" (low-budget) looping delays with relatively short loop times. Despite their technical limits she used these masterfully, and over time she added voice-to-MIDI control and movement control (via the BodySynth) with Max MIDI processing on a G3 PowerBook. Now all the delays are in MSP. She didn't go into great detail about this, but you can get some idea of her performance technology from her site: http://www.pamelaz.com/ http://www.pamelaz.com/gear.html BTW - Pamela Z and Rick Walker will perform jointly on April 20 and 21 at the Four-Eighteen Project in Santa Cruz -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 15:19:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21499; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:17:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:26:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: John Scofield doing a little looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I caught John Scofield at the House of Blues (L.A.) last night. It was a >nice show...he's a got a great rhythm section with him, including a rhythm >guitarist -- the same core lineup from his latest album "uberjam".....nice >fusion of jazz, funky jazz, and some electronic groove thrown in (Avi >Bortnick, the rhythm guitarist used a sampler/groove box setup) -- it all >blended well. > >Anyways, John had a Boomerang in his setup, which he used sparingly, but to >good effect...he usually put some licks in there, then ran it backwards, >while he played licks over the top of it. He open and closed the show by >fading in/out a loop. > >Anwyays, if he comes your way, and your into funky jazz, I recommend >checking him out. The backup band is worth seeing by themselves! > >- Chris On a similar note, I had the pleasure of opening for Carlos Washington and his Giant People band last night, in Eugene, OR. His bassist used one of the Boss looping pedals, and in one tune, looped a one bar lick, put down his bass and played guitar over the groove for the next 20 minutes. The cool thing was that the drummer just totally grooved with the sampled bass line. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 16:15:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25362; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:13:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:13:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C92635A.569D66D7@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:10:50 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP References: <000701c1cbea$1fed0f60$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > Yes thanks Andre, definitely toilet paper material. I sure am glad you qualified that statement, Jonathan... --Dre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 16:17:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25707; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:16:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:16:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c1cc66$57028d00$0ce2a3c3@z3o2l3> From: "Björn Eriksson" To: References: Subject: SV: Laptop looping Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:14:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA25681 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello from Sweden! I haven´t introduced myself to the list so I can start with that. Björn Eriksson from Sweden, that´s me and I doesn´t loop live but do some electronic looping on PC software as AudioMulch (www.audiomulch.com) and Acid Pro. Sometimes I grab my guitar and does some looping with an Copycat tape echoe, though. Regarding Pauline Oliveros --- godmother of looping -- she really is! -- I read about a session with some sort of looping -- this one done with sound transmissions with radio wave echoes sent the moon and then bounced back playing over it ... done in Austria 1999. You can read more about this on http://www.oberlin.edu/con/bkstage/199906/moonmusic.html Yours, Björn Eriksson AKA International Garbageman member of Tapegerm Collective at www.tapegerm.com ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- Från: "Richard Zvonar" Till: Skickat: den 15 mars 2002 20:53 Ämne: Laptop looping > Last weekend I attended the Other Minds festival in San Francisco and > talked to Godmother of Looping, Pauline Oliveros, and Queen of Vocal > Loops, Pamela Z. I found out that in both cases these artists have > replaced their stacks of dedicated looping delays with PowerBooks and > Max/MSP. > > Pauline, as I've mentioned, has been performing with delays since the > 1950s and since the '80s she's been using multiple PCM-42s and > PCM-70s (four of each). Her major performances are done in octaphonic > surround sound. These days both the delay processing and the sound > distribution are done in the PowerBook with a MOTU 828 Firewire audio > interface. She wasn't performing in this way at the festival, so I > can't comment on specific sound or techniques, but in the past she > performed the delays herself with a set of pedals and a Max interface > for MIDI control. The reverb processing was regulated by a sound > mixer/processor at the house console, and at least during one period > of time the main strategy was to move among different virtual > acoustic spaces. Here are some URLs: > > http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline/ > > http://www.pofinc.org/ > > http://www.disquiet.com/oliveros.html > > http://www.newalbion.com/artists/oliverosp/ > > http://www.pofinc.org/EIShome.html > > http://www.deeplistening.org/news/DLB.html > > > Pamela Z's performance rig at one time consisted of three "classic" > (low-budget) looping delays with relatively short loop times. Despite > their technical limits she used these masterfully, and over time she > added voice-to-MIDI control and movement control (via the BodySynth) > with Max MIDI processing on a G3 PowerBook. Now all the delays are in > MSP. She didn't go into great detail about this, but you can get some > idea of her performance technology from her site: > > http://www.pamelaz.com/ > > http://www.pamelaz.com/gear.html > > > BTW - Pamela Z and Rick Walker will perform jointly on April 20 and > 21 at the Four-Eighteen Project in Santa Cruz > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 16:20:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26079; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:19:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:19:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9264B7.8CE73AEC@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:16:39 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP References: <012001c1cc3d$41f437c0$6142a8c0@dyland> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Dylan, Dylan DeAnda wrote: > Andre, > > Holy Cow! (couldn't contain my excitement any longer...sorry) No apology necessary; glad it's useful. Here's a couple of additional variations you can try, using the same EDP setup/approach I detailed in the last post: (with insertmode=insert) -- Try sticking cycles of complete silence in between drumbeats, by hitting "insert" right before the next cycle, and then hitting it again to close the cycle. (Kind of hard to describe, but try it and you'll see what I mean.) (with insertmode=REPLACE) -- Use the insert button to completely replace the audio of a given cycle with whatever's coming into the EDP at the time of the insertion. That could be silence, could be another drumbeat, could be one cycle of turntable noise, whatever... > I am going > to go home and try this around 438 different times with around 439 different > beats, to see what comes out. So which one of 439 different beats is going to time-travel back to share a slot in one of those 438 EDP sessions?! ;) If you can, please post some of the results of your experiments with this... I'm curious to hear it. C ya, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 16:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26646; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:28:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:28:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9266DE.A4562A7C@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:25:50 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Los Angeles Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, A gig coming up a week from today: The Bliss Art House Cafe Friday, March 22nd, 2002 1249 Vine Street Los Angeles, CA 90038 This is a FREE show. The bill: Tricia Steel - 8:20 p.m. Andre LaFosse - 8:50 p.m. Zach Sinick - 9:40 p.m. Chris Opperman - 10:30 p.m. I'll be doing a solo set for my slot, and also playing some duo stuff with pianist Chris Opperman; both bits will include quite a bit of EDP looping. Some of you may recognize Chris and Tricia as alumni of Mike Keneally's band. Tricia is a FANTASTIC percussionist, and will be doing a solo set of her own, so I highly, highly recommend getting there early enough to catch her. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 16:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27357; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:37:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:37:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: mp3.com newbie question Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:37:12 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200203152019.PAA21624@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com need some advice from experienced mp3.com loopers. I've just begun to set up an mp3.com account, and I'm wondering: 1. what's your experience with selling mp3.com D.A.M. CDs or netCDs? does it happen? is it worth the effort of setting this up? 2. it seems like I can create several artists / artist pages under my name. For different kinds of music? Has anyone done that and found it useful, for what reason? Any other advice you want to give to an mp3.com newbie? = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 16:39:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27354; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:37:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:37:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:35:00 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: SV: Laptop looping In-reply-to: <006e01c1cc66$57028d00$0ce2a3c3@z3o2l3> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <006e01c1cc66$57028d00$0ce2a3c3@z3o2l3> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:14 PM +0100 3/15/02, =?UNKNOWN?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Eriksson wrote: >Regarding Pauline Oliveros --- godmother of looping -- she really >is! -- I read about a session with some sort of looping -- this one >done with sound transmissions with radio wave echoes sent the moon >and then bounced back playing over it ... done in Austria 1999. You >can read more about this on >http://www.oberlin.edu/con/bkstage/199906/moonmusic.html I helped a little bit with the early stages of that project. Pauline had been working on the idea while teaching at Mills College in 1986, with composer/technologist Scot Gresham Lancaster assisting. Pauline's original plan was to do it with a huge radio telescope, but she couldn't get access. Scot found a ham radio enthusiast in Maine, named Dave Olean. Dave supposedly had the largest private ham antenna in the country, if not the world. Pauline and I flew up there and spent an evening with Dave bouncing a variety of sounds of the lunar surface. I remember penny whistle was particularly successful. The resulting tapes were used in a performance at Moebius in Boston, but the real-time performance projects weren't realized until some time later. Along similar lines, oboist/composer Joseph Celli performed the piece Phalba in duet with Jerry Hunt via communications satellite at New Music America in 1985. Joe talked about that performance at a memorial concert shortly after Jerry death in 1994: "In this performance, my live signal was sent to Jerry in Austin via satellite. He processed my sound live, and it was sent back to the performance space and mixed with my live sound. The festival couldn't afford a sound check on the satellite, so it was all live and filled with great apprehension. Tonight we don't need a satellite -- Jerry is getting the signal real clear." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 16:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28486; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:50:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:50:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT: New Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:49:54 -0800 Message-ID: <004d01c1cc6b$57e3d300$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C1CC28.49C09300" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C1CC28.49C09300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse02/Content/Korg/PR/KP-2.html http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C1CC28.49C09300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C1CC28.49C09300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 16:56:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28925; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:55:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:55:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c1cc6b$fabe7f80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <006e01c1cc66$57028d00$0ce2a3c3@z3o2l3> Subject: Re: SV: Laptop looping Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:54:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard, I hope you're writing this stuff down! I really enjoy reading about all of it! You get my vote for (sight unseen) best looper memoirs... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 16:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29245; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:58:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:58:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:53:28 -0500 Message-ID: <015601c1cc6b$d7ed1390$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C9264B7.8CE73AEC@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <3-PELD.A.QIH._5mk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gooooooood Lawd, Will the chocolatey goodness of Andre's tips ever come to an end?!?!?! This is almost too much to bear. >If you can, please post some of the results of your experiments with this... I'm curious to hear it. I definitely will. I am working on a mixoff (Big Beat and Rare Groove genre) and I will put the finished product up and some other interesting loops that, I'm sure will come up. Thanks again, this is exactly the kind of info that I was looking for. The reason that these are such great tips, is that they are practical use case examples. The edp manual has a wealth of knowledge, but if you can't apply it practically, you are struggling and discovering by accident (Which isn't bad, just a longer road). I resolve to post any useful use-case examples that I stumble across. D -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:17 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Hey there Dylan, Dylan DeAnda wrote: > Andre, > > Holy Cow! (couldn't contain my excitement any longer...sorry) No apology necessary; glad it's useful. Here's a couple of additional variations you can try, using the same EDP setup/approach I detailed in the last post: (with insertmode=insert) -- Try sticking cycles of complete silence in between drumbeats, by hitting "insert" right before the next cycle, and then hitting it again to close the cycle. (Kind of hard to describe, but try it and you'll see what I mean.) (with insertmode=REPLACE) -- Use the insert button to completely replace the audio of a given cycle with whatever's coming into the EDP at the time of the insertion. That could be silence, could be another drumbeat, could be one cycle of turntable noise, whatever... > I am going > to go home and try this around 438 different times with around 439 different > beats, to see what comes out. So which one of 439 different beats is going to time-travel back to share a slot in one of those 438 EDP sessions?! ;) If you can, please post some of the results of your experiments with this... I'm curious to hear it. C ya, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 17:00:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30535; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:59:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:59:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c1cc08$63812fe0$8a62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203152019.PAA21625@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: BOOM BOOM BOX Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:01:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: "Lucky me, there are over a dozen Claire's stores within a half hour of here." Wow, Richard, that's an eight channel surround setup for only $100!!!!! See you on the mall. ;-) Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 17:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30590; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:00:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:00:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004d01c1cc6b$57e3d300$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:03:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: OT: New Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA30558 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >http:/ >/messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse02/Content/Korg/PR/KP-2.html > > > > > >http://www.om-studios.com > > Bastards! (I haven't even gotten around to using my original Kaoss Pad.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 17:03:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31163; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:02:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:02:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cf01c1cc6d$4c9ddc00$ec52e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <011b01c1cc34$0cb18210$6142a8c0@dyland> Subject: Re: glitch? Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:03:54 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Boards of Canada > The name relates to the Nat'l Film Boards of CA, apparently they are some > pretty interesting films that gradeschool kids were subjected to. I was "subjected" to National Film Board (NFB) films in high school and university and they were very mind expanding. Norman McLaren was the outstanding animator and filmmaker. http://www.nfb.ca/e/highlights/norman_mclaren.html Speaking of glitch - I experienced a film by McLaren (created, I believe, in the 50s) where he had not only painted and scratched each cell but also the soundtrack on the side of the film, which sounded VERY glitchy. I don't know if I've seen it or not but he also made an early film (1932) in the US, called "Loops". Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 17:07:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31631; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:06:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: New Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:01:14 -0500 Message-ID: <015701c1cc6c$ed9517f0$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0158_01C1CC43.04BF0FF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004d01c1cc6b$57e3d300$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0158_01C1CC43.04BF0FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I own one of these. It's one of the contributing factors to me being an EDP owner. I originally saw the edp being used in Kauai, I went to an old church and saw Benedetti and Svoboda (sp?) and they were using one for a rhythmic base, I was blown away by these two classical guitarist getting down with middle eastern music. I later got my dj rig, which included the Numark EM-360 mixer with the KAOSS pad built in. The coolest part was the sampler feature, which didn't have enough memory (max 5 second sample) to make it uber-useful, but it was really fun and a great introduction to sampling and looping. The effects on the KAOSS pad were fun for making a mess with, but the sampler was by far the hot attraction. Time marches on and electronic components fail, and such was the way of the EM-360 mixer. It's cross fader crapped out, and I decided to upgrade to my current rig, which included an edp. I am a happy owner ever since. I had sometimes thought of removing the edp from my circuit path, due to lack of imagination on how to use it, but as it grows more organic to my music making, and I learn more techniques and how to incorporate them with my playing, I take the opposite path and grow more and more fond of it. D -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: New Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse02/Content/Korg/PR/KP-2.html http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0158_01C1CC43.04BF0FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I own=20 one of these.  It's one of the contributing factors to me being an = EDP=20 owner.
 
I=20 originally saw the edp being used in Kauai, I went to an old church and = saw=20 Benedetti and Svoboda (sp?) and they were using one for a rhythmic base, = I was=20 blown away by these two classical guitarist getting down with middle = eastern=20 music.
 
I=20 later got my dj rig, which included the Numark EM-360 mixer with the = KAOSS pad=20 built in.
 
The=20 coolest part was the sampler feature, which didn't have enough memory = (max 5=20 second sample) to make it uber-useful, but it was really fun and a = great=20 introduction to sampling and looping.  The effects on the KAOSS pad = were=20 fun for making a mess with, but the sampler was by far the hot = attraction. =20
 
Time=20 marches on and electronic components fail, and such was the way of the = EM-360=20 mixer.  It's cross fader crapped out, and I decided to upgrade to = my=20 current rig, which included an edp.
 
I am a=20 happy owner ever since.  I had sometimes thought of removing the = edp from=20 my circuit path, due to lack of imagination on how to use it, but as it = grows=20 more organic to my music making, and I learn more techniques and how to=20 incorporate them with my playing, I take the opposite path and grow more = and=20 more fond of it.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0158_01C1CC43.04BF0FF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 17:08:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31762; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:03:07 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: SV: Laptop looping In-reply-to: <002501c1cc6b$fabe7f80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <006e01c1cc66$57028d00$0ce2a3c3@z3o2l3> <002501c1cc6b$fabe7f80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:54 PM -0500 3/15/02, Dennis Leas wrote: >Richard, I hope you're writing this stuff down! A good thing about e-mail is that by definition it IS "writ[ing] this stuff down." I generally keep all my correspondence so I can easily retrieve something I've written. If I remember that a couple years back I sent someone a URL or other information I can usually get it back with a quick search. Really important stuff goes into my Filemaker database, and some things will eventually make it onto my Web site. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 17:10:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32295; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:09:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:09:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C927069.F743F060@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:06:34 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP References: <015601c1cc6b$d7ed1390$6142a8c0@dyland> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey again Dylan, Kim and Matthias deserve a lot of credit too... most of what I've posted are basically the same tricks those two lads have posted to the list over the years, with my own occasional personal variations here and there. The list archives are a great resource for this, as are the tutorials posted in the echoplex section of the LD web site. Essential reading, I say... --A PS - don't forget to try reversing a loop, replacing or inserting one or two drum hits whilst in reverse mode, and then putting the overall loop forwards again, so that you get one or two backwards bits in the middle of it all... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 17:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01738; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:36:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:36:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C92785E.774D259C@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:41:00 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Scofield doing a little looping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Chovit wrote: > I caught John Scofield at the House of Blues (L.A.) last night. It was a > nice show...he's a got a great rhythm section with him, including a rhythm > guitarist -- the same core lineup from his latest album "uberjam".....nice > fusion of jazz, funky jazz, and some electronic groove thrown in (Avi > Bortnick, the rhythm guitarist used a sampler/groove box setup) -- it all > blended well. > > Anyways, John had a Boomerang in his setup, which he used sparingly, but to > good effect...he usually put some licks in there, then ran it backwards, > while he played licks over the top of it. He open and closed the show by > fading in/out a loop. > > Anwyays, if he comes your way, and your into funky jazz, I recommend > checking him out. The backup band is worth seeing by themselves! > > - Chris hey i caught that show too. no ld t-shirts in evidence (course i wasn't wearing one either :-) the backup trio was excellent. one moment in particular stuck with me- it seemed the bassist was controlling a processor which the raw drum sounds were feeding; at the same time it seemed midi triggers on the drums were controlling the groove box bortnick was manipulating. the combined effect made for some very nice and rather unexpected *drum* sounds, and was visually pretty cool as well. fwiw, did you get a look at the backup trio's gear? curious about some of those boxes... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 17:49:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02548; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:43:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:43:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <83.1830a4ec.29c3d2e2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:42:42 EST Subject: Re: mp3.com newbie question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <4jVIOB.A.1l.Hknk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, In a message dated 3/15/02 1:37:31 PM, mpeters@csi.com writes: >need some advice from experienced mp3.com loopers. I've just begun to set >up an mp3.com account, and I'm wondering: 1. what's your experience with >selling mp3.com D.A.M. CDs or netCDs? does it happen? is it worth the effort >of setting this up? 2. it seems like I can create several artists / artist >pages under my name. For different kinds of music? Has anyone done that >and found it useful, for what reason? Any other advice you want to give to >an mp3.com newbie? Well, experienced . . . I dunno . . .? I haven't done most of what you're asking about (D.A.M. CDs or NetCDs) and have no opinion about them. But it's pretty easy (and I think useful) to have/ create multiple artists if you do different sorts of things that do not necessarily sit well in the same stylistic "box" per se. For example, 4 or 5 years ago I did some backing tracks with for a performance poet/artist. All of it is loopy guitar stuff . . . but not all of it really relates to the stuff I do as a solo artist (as reflected on my own CD project). I/we made some tapes, burned some CDs, did a concert or two and put up an MP3.com webpage specifically for this sort of thing. I am relatively still proud of the stuff . . . but generally I felt one might get a touch of sonic "whiplash" if they were stored under the same "Ted Killian" name. So, ever since my CD came out, this other stuff has moved elsewhere under the name of the ensemble we (the poet and I) called ourselves. It has it's own set of decriptions, art, links, viewing and downloading records etc. just as thought it was a completely separate entity. But I still have the ability to manage the data and access/change the inside info just as though it was the self-same identity. I only have to log-in once to manage all of this stuff. It saves lots of time. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 18:26:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05868; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:25:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:14:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <015601c1cc6b$d7ed1390$6142a8c0@dyland> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For this reason tutorial video or written tutorial with audio examples would be worth their weight in gold. Hint, hint :-) As incentive this could be done for some $$ profit for the creators of same... Maybe in conjunction with release of new OS? NG > > The reason that these are such great tips, is that they are practical use > case examples. The edp manual has a wealth of knowledge, but if you can't > apply it practically, you are struggling and discovering by > accident (Which > isn't bad, just a longer road). > > I resolve to post any useful use-case examples that I stumble across. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 18:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07048; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:54:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:54:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:53:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2002 23:53:46.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[A553AD20:01C1CC7C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got my Behringer controller last night, and since I first read this post wrong, it's possible that others did too. > > The combination of the Repeater's midi implementation and the > > Behringer works pretty well, especially if the Repeater is the ONLY > > beast you're controlling. This is due to the fact that the midi > > channel of the CC's (2), program changes (5) and the expression > > pedals (2) that the 1010 can send need to be setup GLOBALLY. this > > kindof sucks, since you might want the expression pedals to control > > one unit on one patch, but another unit on another patch. No can do > > on the 1010. > I thought that program changes go on one midi channel, ccs on another etc. (In retrospect, multiple PC commands on the same midi channel make no sense.) >Each< of the program changes, CCs and expression pedals and the midi note can be set to a different midi channel. I.E. Globally all of the Program changes #1 go on one midi channel, all the Program changes #2 can go to a different channel etc. etc. This still means you can only control one midi note out channel, and the expression pedals are set for one channel use :< But it means that you can control up to 5 devices via PC and 2 via CC from the unit. Cool! Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 19:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09311; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:13:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:13:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C92785E.774D259C@earthlink.net> References: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:17:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: John Scofield doing a little looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lance g. wrote: > >the backup trio was excellent. one moment in particular stuck with me- it >seemed the bassist was controlling a processor which the raw drum sounds were >feeding; at the same time it seemed midi triggers on the drums were >controlling the groove box bortnick was manipulating. the combined effect made >for some very nice and rather unexpected *drum* sounds, and was visually >pretty cool as well. fwiw, did you get a look at the backup trio's gear? >curious about some of those boxes... > Yeah, for a while, i was hearing what sounded like bass lines, but the bass player wasn't playing. That must have been midi patterns triggered by the drums. As far as the gear that the musicians had, this was all I could see: John Scofield: Ibanez artist hollowbody, Boogie Mark IV, and Vox AC30, Boomerang, Rat pedal, Digitech Whammy. He was also getting a flange somewhere..perhaps from rack gear... Avi Bortnick: Yamaha (strat style), Fender amp (deluxe...maybe, not sure), a couple boss pedals (couldn;t tell which ones..), and a wah pedal that I couldn;t recognize. He also used the Electro-harmonix envelope filter. He also had a sampler (boss maybe) and a groove box (I think it was the Korg Electribe..) Bass: Fender mustang bass (which he played mostly in the upper registers, like an upright), Ampeg amp, purple Line 6 pedal...I forget..is that the filter modeler? He also what looked like an Electroharmonix EQ, with a bunch of faders, or perhaps this was the microsynth or bass microsynth...couldn;t really tell......he had some other pedals too, but couldn;t see them. sorry, i didn;t do a very thorough inspection... - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 20:06:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13180; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:05:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:05:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9.24c04374.29c3f40d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:04:13 EST Subject: Re: OT--Everyman Band/Without Warning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt writes: >The first, self-titled Everyman Band lp, on ECM, was my introduction >to Torn. >Did this ever get issued on CD? no..... 8-( dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 15 20:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13980; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:18:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:18:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9.24c04374.29c3f40d@aol.com> References: <9.24c04374.29c3f40d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:27:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: OT--Everyman Band/Without Warning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3jCnJC.A.UaD.Y1pk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >dt writes: > >>The first, self-titled Everyman Band lp, on ECM, was my introduction >>to Torn. > > >>Did this ever get issued on CD? >no..... >8-( >dt / splattercell It's a shame, I just played it again today, definitely a very cool record! I was kind of surprised at how "punk" it sounded, probably why I liked it so much in 1982! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 02:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01468; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:32:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:32:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:31:26 -0800 Subject: Re: John Scofield doing a little looping From: Mark Hamburg To: , Chris Chovit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/15/02 4:17 PM, Chris Chovit at cho@newdream.net wrote: > purple Line 6 pedal...I forget..is that the > filter modeler? Yes. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 05:17:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10917; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.a6cd893.29c47553@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:15:47 EST Subject: Re: John Scofield doing a little looping(Line 6 Purple Filter) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 05:18:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11189; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:18:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:18:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <146.b266cba.29c475aa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:17:14 EST Subject: Line 6 Purple Filter Modeler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_146.b266cba.29c475aa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <15lAIB.A.iuC.Wvxk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_146.b266cba.29c475aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have one of these? How are they? thanks, PJ --part1_146.b266cba.29c475aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have one of these? How are they? thanks, PJ --part1_146.b266cba.29c475aa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 05:40:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11994; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:39:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:39:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Repeater MIDI controller question Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:39:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan, The 1010 manual is indeed a bit cryptic. It took me a while to understand that you can program one foot pad to send out any combination of the available functions (5 PC, 2 CC, 1 note on). Besides defining new CCs for the two pedals. With the repeater, one application of "sending out multiple PC commands on the same midi channel" could be to mute three tracks by pressing one pad, kind of soloing a track. In this sense you can actually program "solo pads" for each repeater track on the 1010. Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Skickat: den 16 mars 2002 00:54 > Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Ämne: Re: Repeater MIDI controller question > > > I just got my Behringer controller last night, and since I first read this > post wrong, it's possible that others did too. > > > > > The combination of the Repeater's midi implementation and the > > > Behringer works pretty well, especially if the Repeater is the ONLY > > > beast you're controlling. This is due to the fact that the midi > > > channel of the CC's (2), program changes (5) and the expression > > > pedals (2) that the 1010 can send need to be setup GLOBALLY. this > > > kindof sucks, since you might want the expression pedals to control > > > one unit on one patch, but another unit on another patch. No can do > > > on the 1010. > > > > I thought that program changes go on one midi channel, ccs on another etc. > (In retrospect, multiple PC commands on the same midi channel make no > sense.) >Each< of the program changes, CCs and expression pedals and the > midi note can be set to a different midi channel. I.E. Globally all of the > Program changes #1 go on one midi channel, all the Program > changes #2 can go > to a different channel etc. etc. > > This still means you can only control one midi note out channel, and the > expression pedals are set for one channel use :< But it means that you can > control up to 5 devices via PC and 2 via CC from the unit. Cool! > > Jonathan > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 06:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14379; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:16:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:16:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1ccdb$a9d50a60$aee1a3c3@z3o2l3> From: "Björn Eriksson" To: References: Subject: SV: mp3.com newbie question Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:13:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA14337 Resent-Message-ID: <9caSfB.A.QgD.wlyk8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com need some advice from experienced mp3.com loopers. I've just begun to set up > an mp3.com account, and I'm wondering: 1. what's your experience with > selling mp3.com D.A.M. CDs or netCDs? does it happen? is it worth the effort > of setting this up? You can give exposure to your music in an easy way so in that aspect it can be well worth. But it is very hard to earn the PAS (Premium Service Artist) 20$ if you´re not into something very spectacular things... and then I don´t mean musically. But having a mp3.com page to link to from your own site or leave in e-mails could in general be a good thing. Being a member of the Tapegerm Collective (www.tapegerm.com) we have had much discussion on mp3.com (or mp3.con as some people say) . One thing that one should consider is if the audio quality is satisfactional. mp3.com uses 128kbs/s mp3 quality. Some thinks that is quite allright... it´s definitevely not tha "CD-standard" quality, though. The other drawback is that you are limited to 56 minutes or something like that. In the collective we stopped doing these DAM CD some time ago. Now we´re doing them at Homemade Music. (www.homemademusic.com) giving us possibility to use higher quality wav-files. They also have a "one dollar cd" option with simple package. I guess there is lots of other places that can offer these services. Personally I find the Homemademusic approach very "artist friendly". Yours, Björn E > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 09:52:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24683; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:51:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Item for sale Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:51:30 -0600 Message-ID: <016f01c1ccfa$0f115910$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was planning on listing this item for sale on ebay but thought I would post it here first since it might be good to use with looping with the 2 aux busses. Kawai MX-8SR 16 input (8 stereo channels) Stereo Line mixer with 2 aux busses & balanced outs (2 space) $200 I will be waiting for a day or so before I put it up on ebay and if you have any questions or want to discuss it, please let me know off list. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 09:52:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24700; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:52:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:52:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater MIDI controller question Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:51:05 -0600 Message-ID: <016e01c1ccf9$fff73a80$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was planning on listing this item for sale on ebay but thought I would post it here first since it might be good to use with looping with the 2 aux busses. Kawai MX-8SR 16 input (8 stereo channels) Stereo Line mixer with 2 aux busses & balanced outs (2 space) $200 I will be waiting for a day or so before I put it up on ebay and if you have any questions or want to discuss it, please let me know off list. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 12:01:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31100; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:58:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:58:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020316105634.00a82660@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: rjholland@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:56:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Holland Subject: Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c1cc6b$57e3d300$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to dump your original and buy a new one let me know! At 05:03 PM 3/15/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > http:/ > >/messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse02/Content/Korg/PR/KP-2.html > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.om-studios.com > > > > > >Bastards! (I haven't even gotten around to using my original Kaoss Pad.) >--- >* just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 15:36:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11365; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:35:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:35:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020316105634.00a82660@students.wisc.edu> References: <004d01c1cc6b$57e3d300$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:38:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If you want to dump your original and buy a new one let me know! > Well, I got it with the intention of using it primarily as a MIDI f/x controller -- in the same order, I got a nice keyboard controller with no mod wheels -- so it's not actually obsolete. For its sound things, I wish it had 1/4" connections, not RCA. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 15:46:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11785; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:42:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:42:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:42:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <58683BC2-391E-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <0CXCT.A.-3C.846k8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's got a BMP counter, but has anyone assertained whether or not it can use that info to change modulation timing? That would make the new KAOSS pad a true winner, IMO. If not, there's little reason for someone like myself to get a new one... other than the fact that my wife inherited my KAOSS pad. Mark On Saturday, March 16, 2002, at 12:38 PM, just john wrote: >> If you want to dump your original and buy a new one let me know! >> > > Well, I got it with the intention of using it primarily as a MIDI f/x > controller -- in the same order, I got a nice keyboard controller with > no > mod wheels -- so it's not actually obsolete. > > For its sound things, I wish it had 1/4" connections, not RCA. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 15:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12083; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:50:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:50:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <58683BC2-391E-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:53:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > other than the fact that my wife >inherited my KAOSS pad. > >Mark Sorry to hear about your death. How are you taking it? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 15:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12121; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:50:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:50:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <58683BC2-391E-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <6CCF1D1E-391F-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I SPOKE (typed) TOO SOON! I guess in my haste, I didn't read the page well. IT DOES! OOOOO perty. Mark On Saturday, March 16, 2002, at 12:42 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > It's got a BMP counter, but has anyone assertained whether or not it > can use that info to change modulation timing? That would make the new > KAOSS pad a true winner, IMO. If not, there's little reason for > someone like myself to get a new one... other than the fact that my > wife inherited my KAOSS pad. > > Mark > > On Saturday, March 16, 2002, at 12:38 PM, just john wrote: > >>> If you want to dump your original and buy a new one let me know! >>> >> >> Well, I got it with the intention of using it primarily as a MIDI f/x >> controller -- in the same order, I got a nice keyboard controller with >> no >> mod wheels -- so it's not actually obsolete. >> >> For its sound things, I wish it had 1/4" connections, not RCA. >> --- >> * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 16:02:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13734; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:58:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Kaoss pad with sampling/BPM effects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heh, I believe the French call an orgasm "the little death, " so in that respect... RIP On Saturday, March 16, 2002, at 12:53 PM, just john wrote: >> other than the fact that my wife >> inherited my KAOSS pad. >> >> Mark > > Sorry to hear about your death. How are you taking it? > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 18:46:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22610; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:44:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:44:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: EDP Footpedal Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:44:23 -0600 Message-ID: <018d01c1cd44$8065ccf0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am getting ready to get an EDP but after reading about how flimsy the foot pedal that is made for it can be and how some have built their own ... Can anyone offer advice about this? I am wondering if it really is that delicate and if so, how difficult would it be to make my own and where could I get the parts? I also own a PMC-10 as well. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 19:05:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24546; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:04:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:04:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020317000356.89814.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018d01c1cd44$8065ccf0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-246928586-1016323436=:89585" Resent-Message-ID: <3cM4l.A.D_F.t19k8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-246928586-1016323436=:89585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steve- I've only had mine a month but it seems pretty tough to me. It is easier to play barefoot because of the close spacing between buttons but after a few years of rock gigs I was missing playing barefoot anyways... Bradley Fish "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: I am getting ready to get an EDP but after reading about how flimsy the foot pedal that is made for it can be and how some have built their own ... Can anyone offer advice about this? I am wondering if it really is that delicate and if so, how difficult would it be to make my own and where could I get the parts? I also own a PMC-10 as well. Thanks, Steve --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage --0-246928586-1016323436=:89585 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Steve-

I've only had mine a month but it seems pretty tough to me. It is easier to play barefoot because of the close spacing between buttons but after a few years of rock gigs I was missing playing barefoot anyways...  

Bradley Fish

 

  "M. Steven Ginn" <sginn@airmail.net> wrote:

I am getting ready to get an EDP but after reading about how flimsy the
foot pedal that is made for it can be and how some have built their own
... Can anyone offer advice about this? I am wondering if it really is
that delicate and if so, how difficult would it be to make my own and
where could I get the parts? I also own a PMC-10 as well.

Thanks,
Steve


Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage --0-246928586-1016323436=:89585-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 19:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26843; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:44:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:44:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C93E641.376576A9@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:41:37 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal References: <018d01c1cd44$8065ccf0$420e88cf@stevespc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve I dont know what you read but being here for a while there wasn't a lot footpedal problems since 4 years; your remark seems to me a lot exagerated. my edp footpedal works fine now for 4 years in very heavy use/abuse IMHO it would be a waste of power to dedicate the powerful pmc to replace the basic edp fsw functions.You will end using both at the time with the special functions on the pmc and to conclude, once you use the edp for looping you want to be able to reach for the basic looping function at any point without banking on a midifootcontroler untill you reach the edp page go for it its made for it Claude PS: If your scared get yourself some spare switches from mouser Part 10PA005 "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: > > I am getting ready to get an EDP but after reading about how flimsy the > foot pedal that is made for it can be and how some have built their own > ... Can anyone offer advice about this? I am wondering if it really is > that delicate and if so, how difficult would it be to make my own and > where could I get the parts? I also own a PMC-10 as well. > > Thanks, > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 20:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31348; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:56:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:56:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <42.23e048ec.29c551aa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:55:54 EST Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.23e048ec.29c551aa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_42.23e048ec.29c551aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/2002 5:44:30 PM Central Standard Time, sginn@airmail.net writes: > I am getting ready to get an EDP but after reading about how flimsy the > foot pedal that is made for it can be and how some have built their own > ... Can anyone offer advice about this? I am wondering if it really is > that delicate and if so, how difficult would it be to make my own and > where could I get the parts? I also own a PMC-10 as well. > > Thanks, > Steve > I have two edp's and two foot pedals... I have had NO problems w/ the pedals... Just problems with on of the EDP's which NO-ONE from Gibson will respond to my inquiries about getting fixed... I guess I will look into new units as to once again free my gear of the Gibson plague before the Gibson virus works its way into my other gear... Ok, sorry, back to the point... I think the foot pedals that I have are fine and would definitely recommend them! My only frustration is hooking one pedal up to a Morley ABY switch to run both units ... causes surprise random functions... I have considered finding a way to build one unit that accesses ALL functions and can A/B between the pair of edp's in my rack... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Blah, blah, blah --part1_42.23e048ec.29c551aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/2002 5:44:30 PM Central Standard Time, sginn@airmail.net writes:


I am getting ready to get an EDP but after reading about how flimsy the
foot pedal that is made for it can be and how some have built their own
... Can anyone offer advice about this?  I am wondering if it really is
that delicate and if so, how difficult would it be to make my own and
where could I get the parts?  I also own a PMC-10 as well.

Thanks,
Steve


I have two edp's and two foot pedals... I have had NO problems w/ the pedals...

Just problems with on of the EDP's which NO-ONE from Gibson will respond to my inquiries about getting fixed...  I guess I will look into new units as to once again free my gear of the Gibson plague before the Gibson virus works its way into my other gear...

Ok, sorry, back to the point...

I think the foot pedals that I have are fine and would definitely recommend them!

My only frustration is hooking one pedal up to a Morley ABY switch to run both units ... causes surprise random functions...

I have considered finding a way to build one unit that accesses ALL functions and can A/B between the pair of edp's in my rack...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Blah, blah, blah --part1_42.23e048ec.29c551aa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 21:53:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03012; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:52:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C94043D.692863FA@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:49:33 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone selling a Vortex? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, A friend of mine is looking to buy a Vortex, so I thought I'd put the word out on his behalf. If anyone's looking to unload one, drop me a private email and I'll put you in touch with the fellow. Thanks, --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 22:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05545; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:18:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:18:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.aa31fcb.29c564e2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:17:54 EST Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15d.aa31fcb.29c564e2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <7XwxID.A.sVB.DsAl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15d.aa31fcb.29c564e2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/2002 6:04:03 PM Central Standard Time, bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com writes: > Steve- I've only had mine a month but it seems pretty tough to me. It is > easier to play barefoot because of the close spacing between buttons but > after a few years of rock gigs I was missing playing barefoot anyways... > Bradley Fish > > Last night I looped while this guy played digurie du ... spelling? Any way there was a puddle of spit on the stage when we were done... I laughed to myself with visions of this entire jam band that plays shoeless at this venue on occasion! He left digurie DOO all over the stage! Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Blah, blah, blah --part1_15d.aa31fcb.29c564e2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/2002 6:04:03 PM Central Standard Time, bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com writes:


Steve- I've only had mine a month but it seems pretty tough to me. It is easier to play barefoot because of the close spacing between buttons but after a few years of rock gigs I was missing playing barefoot anyways...   Bradley Fish



Last night I looped while this guy played digurie du ... spelling? Any way there was a puddle of spit on the stage when we were done...

I laughed to myself with visions of this entire jam band that plays shoeless at this venue on occasion!

He left digurie DOO all over the stage!

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Blah, blah, blah --part1_15d.aa31fcb.29c564e2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 16 22:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06038; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:24:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:24:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020317032432.8742.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:24:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Line 6 Filter Modeler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200203170157.UAA31568@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone asked about the Filter Modeler. It's a great pedal! If you're looking for a lot of different kind of filtering effects in one unit, this is the one to get. For 250 bucks, it can't be beat. The only real drawback is that you can only store four programs (at least, how the stompbox version is...the rack mount version I think stores like 99 programs). For what it's worth, the Delay Modeler and Modulation Modeler pedals are brilliant as well. Same drawback though: not enough memory. Oh, and before I forget, someone mentioned that John Scofield's bassist was using an Electro Harmonix pedal that looked like it might have been a graphic EQ, with faders on it. That's probably either a Micro Synthesizer, or an old 16 Second Delay (which they still haven't reissued). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 00:22:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12760; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:21:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:21:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:21:51 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP footpedal From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203170158.UAA31668@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3099169311_3804371_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3099169311_3804371_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, I did have bad experiencees with the footpedal -- the mouser parts kept breaking (I guess I stomp on them pretty hard, I'm very physical when I play/sing, especially when I'm doing a performance and really get into it). I took it to a place in NYC that replaced the mouser buttons with very durable metal switches, and have had no further problems. It was kind of pricey, but well worth it. If you need to know the name of the place that did it I could look it up. I am getting ready to get an EDP but after reading about how flimsy the > foot pedal that is made for it can be and how some have built their own > ... Can anyone offer advice about this? I am wondering if it really is > that delicate and if so, how difficult would it be to make my own and > where could I get the parts? I also own a PMC-10 as well. --MS_Mac_OE_3099169311_3804371_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP footpedal
Well, I did have bad experiencees with the footp= edal -- the mouser parts kept breaking (I guess I stomp on them pretty hard,= I'm very physical when I play/sing, especially when I'm doing a performance= and really get into it).  I took it to a place in NYC that replaced th= e mouser buttons with very durable metal switches, and have had no further p= roblems.  It was kind of pricey, but well worth it.  If you need t= o know the name of the place that did it I could look it up.



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> where could I get the parts?  = I also own a PMC-10 as well.
 --MS_Mac_OE_3099169311_3804371_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 00:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13046; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:27:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:27:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:27:39 -0800 Subject: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <6dg9_.A.uLD.NlCl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh mein gott in himmel! This manual SUCKS. I've gone through the steps 10 times now, and I can't for the life of me figure out the simplest of programming changes. What the hell? Is there a trick I'm missing? Thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 01:24:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16254; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:23:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:23:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c1cd7c$375cec40$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:23:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey there, what are you trying to do? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! > Oh mein gott in himmel! This manual SUCKS. I've gone through the steps > 10 times now, and I can't for the life of me figure out the simplest of > programming changes. What the hell? Is there a trick I'm missing? > > Thanks, > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 01:36:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17226; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:35:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:35:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020316222346.02778008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:30:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP footpedal In-Reply-To: References: <200203170158.UAA31668@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How loud are those switches? sometimes those big heavy-duty metal switches also make a heavy-duty loud klunk when you press them. I notice that whenever I see people use the dl-4 in a quiet setting, or at the quiet moment just as they start recording a loop. The loud noise of the pedal is distracting. kim At 09:21 PM 3/16/2002, Steve Sandberg wrote: >Well, I did have bad experiencees with the footpedal -- the mouser parts >kept breaking (I guess I stomp on them pretty hard, I'm very physical when >I play/sing, especially when I'm doing a performance and really get into >it). I took it to a place in NYC that replaced the mouser buttons with >very durable metal switches, and have had no further problems. It was >kind of pricey, but well worth it. If you need to know the name of the >place that did it I could look it up. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 06:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01814; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:12:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:12:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9vyH4D.A.Cc.hoHl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Oh mein gott in himmel! This manual SUCKS. I've gone through the steps > 10 times now, and I can't for the life of me figure out the simplest of > programming changes. What the hell? Is there a trick I'm missing? > > Thanks, > > Mark Sottilaro Yes, you're right. That manual sucks. And there seems to be different versions of the content as well! I also got a Swedish translation with my 1010 and the translator must have been reading from another source thatn the English manual; telling completly different methods for programming global commands. One were completly wrong and the other worked fine ;-) Guess you'd better post specific questions. And there must be a lot on the 1010 in the archives by now. Best wishes Per Boysen - never trust a manual From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 10:34:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14929; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:29:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:29:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAnfCXbNVsM1eXQ1MoFoCJfouNv9ICFQC9HCF3UZ6HZoNdmfvqE25pbsE7qQ== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 07:29:01 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal Message-ID: <23404-3C94B63D-49@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: KkstrtChby@aol.com's message of Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:17:54 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com didjeridu, didgeridoo spelled several different ways. But the Aboriginals call it Yadaki. Digeriue Doo is what white folks call it. Bill/paddedcell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 13:10:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24133; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:05:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--573563501 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Cc: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: <000601c1cdd4$11a4d320$58b8fea9@melon> Message-Id: <9860D97E-39D1-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <46OK3.A.J4F.3rNl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--573563501 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that we're dealing with two products that are very new to this world. The weird thing is I didn't concider your "one higher" idea, as the numbers seemed to work as they should the way the 1010 came from the factory. I'm sad about not being able to change output levels too, but it's not the Behringer that's at fault. It's the Repeater. I just found this in the manual: Appendix G - Track Level PC messages will mute/unmute the particular track. Once a track is muted via a MIDI PC, unmuting it will restore it to the level as set by the channel fader or the associated MIDI CC message. What I think it's saying is, "You can mute the outputs. The End." I was counting on that ability, but I guess I didn't read the fine print. Maybe in version 2.0? I know the Repeater is wonky about MIDI. Maybe the Behringer is fine.... or maybe it's wonky too. Hopefully we can get these two strange beasts working well together. Last night I jammed a bit with the Repeater, now controlled by the 1010 and it was like tossing away crutches after a long leg break. I can keep my hands on the guitar! YAY! I'll let you know if I figure out anything substantial. Thanks again, Mark On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > i saw some behavoir like that as well. it turns out that almost > all (but for some reason, not quite all!) pc messages need to be > one number higher than listed in the spec sheet (FX insert = > pc12, not pc11, etc). once i figured that out, i was flying. > however, i'm still using pc4 for record, not 5 as my rule above > would suggest. *shrug* i also suspect that certain > undocumented messages will do things. rather confusing things > actually, if you're merely an unsuspecting foot pedal > programmer. > > the one thing i recommend that you refrain from doing, unless > you want to, is to send PC23 thinking that it will enable Audio > Trigger Record, when in fact it turns dry mute on/off. that's > what first got me sctatching my head. other than that, i > haven't had any problems except for assigning the two footpedals > to cc110 and cc111 in order to control track output volumes in > pairs. for some reason foot pedal A appears broken, it won't > send any midi data or change parameter values. and footpedal B > does not sweep across the range, it only switches between mute > and full. can't figure that one out. > > and my repeater suddenly stopped sending midi clock at some > point last night. wtf did i accidently press this time?!?! > > your brother in pedal programming, > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: "Michael LaMeyer" > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:55 AM > Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 HELP >> I did pretty much get the 1010 to do what I need it to do... > but not via >> PC. I had to use CC messages instead. I can't figure out why > I can >> program the CC stuff with no problems at all, then follow > almost the >> same procedure for PC and... I could get it to work for some > things, and >> not others. I got it to do a PC #2, but it wouldn't do a 14. > Why? Too >> tired now to think of it. >> >> Thanks again! Maybe I'll give it another crack tomorrow. >> >> Mark >> >> On Saturday, March 16, 2002, at 10:24 PM, Michael LaMeyer > wrote: >> >>> do you have a chat client or something? i would walk you >>> through a couple edits online *shrug* that's all i'm doing >>> right now is progamming my 1010 ... >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:27 AM >>> Subject: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! >>> >>> >>>> Oh mein gott in himmel! This manual SUCKS. I've gone > through >>> the steps >>>> 10 times now, and I can't for the life of me figure out the >>> simplest of >>>> programming changes. What the hell? Is there a trick I'm >>> missing? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Mark Sottilaro >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --Apple-Mail-1--573563501 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that we're dealing with two products that are very new to this world. The weird thing is I didn't concider your "one higher" idea, as the numbers seemed to work as they should the way the 1010 came from the factory. I'm sad about not being able to change output levels too, but it's not the Behringer that's at fault. It's the Repeater. I just found this in the manual: AppendixSymbol GSymbol -Symbol TrackSymbol LevelSymbol PCSymbol messagesSymbol willSymbol muteSymbol/unmuteSymbol theSymbol particularSymbol trackSymbol. OnceSymbol aSymbol trackSymbol isSymbol mutedSymbol viaSymbol aSymbol MIDISymbol PCSymbol, unmutingSymbol itSymbol willSymbol restoreSymbol itSymbol toSymbol theSymbol levelSymbol asSymbol setSymbol bySymbol theSymbol channelSymbol faderSymbol orSymbol theSymbol associatedSymbol MIDISymbol CCSymbol messageSymbol. What I think it's saying is, "You can mute the outputs. The End." I was counting on that ability, but I guess I didn't read the fine print. Maybe in version 2.0? I know the Repeater is wonky about MIDI. Maybe the Behringer is fine.... or maybe it's wonky too. Hopefully we can get these two strange beasts working well together. Last night I jammed a bit with the Repeater, now controlled by the 1010 and it was like tossing away crutches after a long leg break. I can keep my hands on the guitar! YAY! I'll let you know if I figure out anything substantial. Thanks again, Mark On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: i saw some behavoir like that as well. it turns out that almost all (but for some reason, not quite all!) pc messages need to be one number higher than listed in the spec sheet (FX insert = pc12, not pc11, etc). once i figured that out, i was flying. however, i'm still using pc4 for record, not 5 as my rule above would suggest. *shrug* i also suspect that certain undocumented messages will do things. rather confusing things actually, if you're merely an unsuspecting foot pedal programmer. the one thing i recommend that you refrain from doing, unless you want to, is to send PC23 thinking that it will enable Audio Trigger Record, when in fact it turns dry mute on/off. that's what first got me sctatching my head. other than that, i haven't had any problems except for assigning the two footpedals to cc110 and cc111 in order to control track output volumes in pairs. for some reason foot pedal A appears broken, it won't send any midi data or change parameter values. and footpedal B does not sweep across the range, it only switches between mute and full. can't figure that one out. and my repeater suddenly stopped sending midi clock at some point last night. wtf did i accidently press this time?!?! your brother in pedal programming, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" < To: "Michael LaMeyer" < Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:55 AM Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 HELP I did pretty much get the 1010 to do what I need it to do... but not via PC. I had to use CC messages instead. I can't figure out why I can program the CC stuff with no problems at all, then follow almost the same procedure for PC and... I could get it to work for some things, and not others. I got it to do a PC #2, but it wouldn't do a 14. Why? Too tired now to think of it. Thanks again! Maybe I'll give it another crack tomorrow. Mark On Saturday, March 16, 2002, at 10:24 PM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: do you have a chat client or something? i would walk you through a couple edits online *shrug* that's all i'm doing right now is progamming my 1010 ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" < To: < Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! Oh mein gott in himmel! This manual SUCKS. I've gone through the steps 10 times now, and I can't for the life of me figure out the simplest of programming changes. What the hell? Is there a trick I'm missing? Thanks, Mark Sottilaro --Apple-Mail-1--573563501-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 13:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24892; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:16:32 -0800 Subject: Re: SV: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Cc: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1C011E08-39D3-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Thanks for the response. I've been hacking away, and I posted some of what we've figured out in another post. My basic issue is that some PC numbers seem to work, others do not. WEIRD. I've gotten around that by just using CC messages for everything. It's an OK workaround, but I can't help but wonder, what the hell is going on? It sure is nice to be able to use this puppy hands free now, though. The Repeater/FCB1010 marriage is a strange one... like two people from totally different cultures. Different language, same basic needs. Different ideas of how to fulfill those needs, parts that fit together really well. I think after a while of being together, they'll figure it out. Mark On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 03:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Oh mein gott in himmel! This manual SUCKS. I've gone through the >> steps >> 10 times now, and I can't for the life of me figure out the simplest of >> programming changes. What the hell? Is there a trick I'm missing? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > Yes, you're right. That manual sucks. And there seems to be different > versions of the content as well! I also got a Swedish translation with > my > 1010 and the translator must have been reading from another source > thatn the > English manual; telling completly different methods for programming > global > commands. One were completly wrong and the other worked fine ;-) > > Guess you'd better post specific questions. And there must be a lot on > the > 1010 in the archives by now. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > - never trust a manual > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 13:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25782; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:31:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:31:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: SV: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:30:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1C011E08-39D3-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: <66Q06C.A.fRG.FEOl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Depending upon which iteration you possess, you may find some typos in the Repeater MIDI implementation chart. There are a number which I discovered but didn't bother to document (not too smart). I may eventually go through and check each value. I'll post the results here if I do so. Alan _________________________ Alan Barnard BarnarDesign http://www.barnardesign.com alan@barnardesign.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:17 AM > To: per@boysen.se > Cc: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SV: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! > > > Hey, > > Thanks for the response. I've been hacking away, and I posted some of > what we've figured out in another post. My basic issue is that some PC > numbers seem to work, others do not. WEIRD. I've gotten around that by > just using CC messages for everything. It's an OK workaround, but I > can't help but wonder, what the hell is going on? > > It sure is nice to be able to use this puppy hands free now, though. > The Repeater/FCB1010 marriage is a strange one... like two people from > totally different cultures. Different language, same basic needs. > Different ideas of how to fulfill those needs, parts that fit together > really well. I think after a while of being together, they'll figure it > out. > > Mark > > On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 03:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > >> Oh mein gott in himmel! This manual SUCKS. I've gone through the > >> steps > >> 10 times now, and I can't for the life of me figure out the simplest of > >> programming changes. What the hell? Is there a trick I'm missing? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > > > > Yes, you're right. That manual sucks. And there seems to be different > > versions of the content as well! I also got a Swedish translation with > > my > > 1010 and the translator must have been reading from another source > > thatn the > > English manual; telling completly different methods for programming > > global > > commands. One were completly wrong and the other worked fine ;-) > > > > Guess you'd better post specific questions. And there must be a lot on > > the > > 1010 in the archives by now. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Per Boysen > > - never trust a manual > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 13:43:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26764; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:41:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:41:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:41:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Line 6 Filter Modeler From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020317032432.8742.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a filter modeler I'd be willing to sell for $190 + shipping including the Line6 line lump power supply. Home studio use only. (Feel free to make counter-offers, but that's my rough estimate of what it's worth on the used market.) I really like my distortion modeler, but I find I'm just not using the filter effects as much for what I'm doing. A few days ago, I'd have been prepared to swap for an MM4, but I just took the plunge for an AM8000R. Mark on 3/16/02 7:24 PM, Chris Richards at kohntarkosz@yahoo.com wrote: > Someone asked about the Filter Modeler. It's a > great pedal! If you're looking for a lot of > different kind of filtering effects in one unit, > this is the one to get. For 250 bucks, it can't > be beat. The only real drawback is that you can > only store four programs (at least, how the > stompbox version is...the rack mount version I > think stores like 99 programs). > > For what it's worth, the Delay Modeler and > Modulation Modeler pedals are brilliant as well. > Same drawback though: not enough memory. > > Oh, and before I forget, someone mentioned that > John Scofield's bassist was using an Electro > Harmonix pedal that looked like it might have > been a graphic EQ, with faders on it. That's > probably either a Micro Synthesizer, or an old 16 > Second Delay (which they still haven't reissued). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 14:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28751; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:59:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Girl software looper From: Greg Kucharo To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <21724694-39D9-11D6-909A-003065D3B9D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://girl.yowstar.com/ From the Max/MSP maillist. "Girl is an audio loop mixing instrument. Using your library of sound files or live audio input of any format, sound is loaded into a GirlModule, which will continuously loop the sound. Within a module you can modify the sound using the multi-mode filters, delay, granulator, an optional VST plugin, and by selecting smaller segments of the sound file. You can open any number of these modules, limited only by your brain, the amount of application RAM, and the power of your computer's processor. The modules can be treated individually, or the playback speeds of the loops can all be synchronized to a tempo. Mixing can be done with a mouse, Macintosh keyboard, and MIDI. Additionally, sounds are automatically segmented into equal length pieces, and these segments can be played with a keyboard or sequenced with Girl's sequencers. Sound output is easily recorded into a stereo or multi-track file, or can be directed to other audio programs with ReWire, DirectConnect, or VST." "It's funny. You live in the Universe but you never doing anything until someone comes to visit." -Dr. Zoiberg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 14:03:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29067; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020317190047.53563.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: noisy mechanical parts on pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200203171833.NAA25944@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Yeah, I know what you mean. When I first got my DL-4, I tried making tapes using my boombox, just sitting in front of my guitar amp. Apart from the poor sound quality, I was also picking up the sound of the footswitches. Sometimes it wasn't so bad, but there were bits where I was changing speed every few seconds as I played a phrase, and then it'd be especially noticeable. After that first attempt at recording, I simply started running one of my Radio Shack Optimus tape decks off the line out on my Crate practice amp (I'm hoping to have a good tube amp sometime in the next few months). That's the way I've recorded everything since, and haven't had any problems whatsoever. I remember seeing one psychedelic band where the guitarist was using a Digitech pedal, I think he said it was called the Space Station, and as he was operating the pedal, I could hear these squeaking sounds coming from the pedal itself (but then, I was wearing earplugs and standing right in front of him). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 14:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29758; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:13:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:13:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:13:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Girl software looper Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--569494934 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <21724694-39D9-11D6-909A-003065D3B9D2@mac.com> Message-Id: <116EE94F-39DB-11D6-86B0-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--569494934 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It doesn't seem to work with Mac Os X. Too bad, it sounds like it could have been cool. > http://girl.yowstar.com/ > > "Girl is an audio loop mixing instrument. Using your library of sound > files > or live audio input of any format, sound is loaded into a GirlModule, > which > will continuously loop the sound. Within a module you can modify the > sound...... .................................................................. Doug Miller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-1--569494934 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII It doesn't seem to work with Mac Os X. Too bad, it sounds like it could have been cool. http://girl.yowstar.com/ "Girl is an audio loop mixing instrument. Using your library of sound files or live audio input of any format, sound is loaded into a GirlModule, which will continuously loop the sound. Within a module you can modify the sound...... Arial.................................................................. Arial BlackDoug MillerArial < http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-1--569494934-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 14:16:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29950; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:15:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:15:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:15:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Girl software looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <116EE94F-39DB-11D6-86B0-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> Message-Id: <567BE0BA-39DB-11D6-909A-003065D3B9D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was done in Max, and the Max runtime doesn't support OS X, yet....Which indeed, sucks. On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 11:13 AM, Doug Miller wrote: > It doesn't seem to work with Mac Os X. Too bad, it sounds like it could > have been cool. > > >> http://girl.yowstar.com/ >> >> "Girl is an audio loop mixing instrument. Using your library of sound >> files >> or live audio input of any format, sound is loaded into a GirlModule, >> which >> will continuously loop the sound. Within a module you can modify the >> sound...... > .................................................................. > Doug Miller > > > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.columbusnow.com > http://www.cccn.org > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller Hocine bibo aut in eum digitos insero? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 14:22:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30428; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:21:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:21:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.1ae2ca33.29c64678@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:20:24 EST Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >'m sad about not being able to change output levels too, but it's not >the Behringer that's at fault. It's the Repeater. did i miss something, here? i change track levels on the repeater, all the time, via midi. ??? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 14:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30648; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:25:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:25:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:23:54 EST Subject: Re: Girl software looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com telecaster@mac.com writes: >It was done in Max, and the Max runtime doesn't support OS X, >yet....Which indeed, sucks. i'm still in 9.2.1, myself, as LAMP hasn't released the X-versions, yet. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 14:50:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31434; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:44:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:44:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:43:51 -0800 Subject: A FIX! (was Re: Behringer FCB1010 HELP!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Cc: Michael LaMeyer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: <4d.1ae2ca33.29c64678@aol.com> Message-Id: <4EFC6071-39DF-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'm wrong! The FCB1010 DOES in fact control the output level of the Repeater via CC (CC#110 controls channels 1&2, CC#111 3&4) Why wasn't mine (or Michael LaMeyer's) working? They were WAY out of calibration! WAY OUT! Poking around the web I came across this little nugget: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/post.html and followed a total calibration procedure. Woop, there it is. After following this simple procedure, my FCB1010 now works fine... for sending CC from the expression pedals. Can't confirm whether the other issue about PC numbers not all working, but I also found a post somewhere that states the FCB1010 spits out a PC+1 message, which could be the source of many of the problems with this badboy. On the upside, I've found that of all (MidiWizard and Yamaha) the MIDI controllers I've purchased, this one is by far the best for controlling the Repeater. Also the cheapest. Now, I just have to make EVEN more room on my floor to deal with it! YIPE! Mark On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 11:20 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > >> 'm sad about not being able to change output levels too, but it's not >> the Behringer that's at fault. It's the Repeater. > did i miss something, here? > i change track levels on the repeater, all the time, via midi. > ??? > best, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 15:12:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02183; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:11:39 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP footpedas From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203171833.NAA25997@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3099222699_1234941_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3099222699_1234941_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit yes, I see your point -- they do make a clunk, but I've never found it a problem in the kind of music I do. How loud are those switches? sometimes those big heavy-duty metal switches also make a heavy-duty loud klunk when you press them. I notice that whenever I see people use the dl-4 in a quiet setting, or at the quiet moment just as they start recording a loop. The loud noise of the pedal is distracting. kim At 09:21 PM 3/16/2002, Steve Sandberg wrote: >Well, I did have bad experiencees with the footpedal -- the mouser parts >kept breaking (I guess I stomp on them pretty hard, I'm very physical when >I play/sing, especially when I'm doing a performance and really get into >it). I took it to a place in NYC that replaced the mouser buttons with >very durable metal switches, and have had no further problems. It was >kind of pricey, but well worth it. If you need to know the name of the >place that did it I could look it up. --MS_Mac_OE_3099222699_1234941_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP footpedas
yes, I see your point -- they do make a clunk, b= ut I've never found it a problem in the kind of music I do.


How loud are those switches? sometimes those big heavy-duty metal switches =
also make a heavy-duty loud klunk when you press them. I notice that
whenever I see people use the dl-4 in a quiet setting, or at the quiet
moment just as they start recording a loop. The loud noise of the pedal is =
distracting.

kim

At 09:21 PM 3/16/2002, Steve Sandberg wrote:
>Well, I did have bad experiencees with the footpedal -- the mouser part= s
>kept breaking (I guess I stomp on them pretty hard, I'm very physical w= hen
>I play/sing, especially when I'm doing a performance and really get int= o
>it).  I took it to a place in NYC that replaced the mouser buttons= with
>very durable metal switches, and have had no further problems.  It= was
>kind of pricey, but well worth it.  If you need to know the name o= f the
>place that did it I could look it up.

 --MS_Mac_OE_3099222699_1234941_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 15:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03945; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:45:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:45:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:44:28 +0000 Subject: Steve Lawson/Jez Carr CD available for order... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA03844 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopsters, The release date for 'Conversations', my new CD with pianist Jez Carr is April 22nd, but it's is available for order now! there are a few tracks of Real Audio and MP3 available for download on my website, so you can have a listen, and the price for pre-ordering is only £10 including P + P (which with the exchange rate where it currently is, is less than $15 US for an import CD inc. shipping!) - The price will go back up to something normal once the CD is released, so if you want one, please order it soon, as it'll save you money and help us out with the pressing costs! :o) anyway, go to http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk have a listen, and if you like what you hear you can buy some... if you haven't got my first CD, there's also the option to buy both together at an even further reduced price... what more incentive do you need? :o) BTW, there's tonnes of looping content on the CD, all in real time on a DL4... have a look at my site for more details on the recording process etc... I'm really excited about the CD, and the feedback so far has been really good... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 15:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04023; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:45:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:45:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:44:27 +0000 Subject: foot switch noise From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>How loud are those switches? sometimes those big heavy-duty metal switches also make a heavy-duty loud klunk when you press them. I notice that whenever I see people use the dl-4 in a quiet setting, or at the quiet moment just as they start recording a loop. The loud noise of the pedal is distracting.<< Gotta agree with Kim here - I'd LOVE to swap all the switches on my MPX-R1 and DL4 for the same sort as are on the EDP foot pedal... what's with the noise????? Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 16:11:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06305; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:05:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:05:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:04:30 -0800 Subject: Re: foot switch noise From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <651EyB.A.FiB.hUQl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah those clix are a big distraction-i remember when the came out and the start/stop and the repeat buttons became part of the audio(yikes!) the trick was to have the click come on the beat and then you could somewhat masquerade it.thank god that primitive technology has been eradicated...or has it??? s >>>> How loud are those switches? sometimes those big heavy-duty metal switches > also make a heavy-duty loud klunk when you press them. I notice that > whenever I see people use the dl-4 in a quiet setting, or at the quiet > moment just as they start recording a loop. The loud noise of the pedal is > distracting.<< > > Gotta agree with Kim here - I'd LOVE to swap all the switches on my MPX-R1 > and DL4 for the same sort as are on the EDP foot pedal... what's with the > noise????? > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 16:13:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06852; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:12:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:12:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:15:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Girl software looper Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks neato! Imagine if it became the standard by which other software was judged .... "Yeah, radiaL is peachy keen, but can it loop like a GIRL?" And will user-modified versions appear, with slightly beat-up looking interfaces, with names like "Skank"? >telecaster@mac.com writes: > >>It was done in Max, and the Max runtime doesn't support OS X, >>yet....Which indeed, sucks. >i'm still in 9.2.1, myself, as LAMP hasn't released the X-versions, yet. >best, >dt / s-c (MacOS question: What's 9.2.1 have that 9.1 doesn't?) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 16:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07964; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:31:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:31:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c1cdfb$17a06ec0$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <4EFC6071-39DF-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: A FIX! (was Re: Behringer FCB1010 HELP!) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:31:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THANK YOU! attempting calibration now ... i've found that i've needed to program pc messages on the repeater one number higher than listed in the repeater midi implementation chart. i've been wondering about typos, because the procedure above was not necessary for the Record pc message, which i've got set to pc4 on the 1010, as it is in the chart. all my other pc messages coming from the 1010 are 'repeater midi implementation chart value' +1. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Cc: "Michael LaMeyer" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 2:43 PM Subject: A FIX! (was Re: Behringer FCB1010 HELP!) > OK, I'm wrong! The FCB1010 DOES in fact control the output level of the > Repeater via CC (CC#110 controls channels 1&2, CC#111 3&4) > > Why wasn't mine (or Michael LaMeyer's) working? > > They were WAY out of calibration! WAY OUT! Poking around the web I > came across this little nugget: > > http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/post.html > > and followed a total calibration procedure. Woop, there it is. After > following this simple procedure, my FCB1010 now works fine... for > sending CC from the expression pedals. Can't confirm whether the other > issue about PC numbers not all working, but I also found a post > somewhere that states the FCB1010 spits out a PC+1 message, which could > be the source of many of the problems with this badboy. > > On the upside, I've found that of all (MidiWizard and Yamaha) the MIDI > controllers I've purchased, this one is by far the best for controlling > the Repeater. Also the cheapest. > > Now, I just have to make EVEN more room on my floor to deal with it! > YIPE! > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 17:34:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11885; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:33:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:33:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:24:26 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: A FIX! (was Re: Behringer FCB1010 HELP!) In-reply-to: <008d01c1cdfb$17a06ec0$58b8fea9@melon> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Michael LaMeyer , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4EFC6071-39DF-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <008d01c1cdfb$17a06ec0$58b8fea9@melon> Resent-Message-ID: <_5XU8D.A.z4C.1mRl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:31 PM -0500 3/17/02, Michael LaMeyer wrote: >THANK YOU! attempting calibration now ... > >i've found that i've needed to program pc messages on the repeater >one number higher than listed in the repeater midi implementation >chart. I've confirmed this, though I've found that Loop Multiply can be triggered by either Program Change 0 or 1. >i've been wondering about typos, because the procedure above was not >necessary for the Record pc message, which i've got set to pc4 on >the 1010, as it is in the chart. This is odd, because Record IS Program Change 4, though it is listed as 3 in the chart. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 17 18:23:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14974; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:22:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c1ce0b$8a8ad140$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <1C011E08-39D3-11D6-B2CF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: SV: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:29:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I broached Electrix with questions regarding similar program change problems (not with the Behringer pedal, though). They didn't have a clear recommendation to my problem resolution efforts. The PC numbers in the Electrix manual addendum (V1.1) flat out did not work as specified. I thought it was my pedal (a somewhat archaic Digitech PDS3500. I'll have to tweak the settings a little bit and see what happens. I was all set to dump the Digitech and get a Behringer FCB1010. 'Glad to note other similar problems. BTW, Behringer manuals leave a LOT to be desired. I bought a MX2642 Mixer recently and the docs are real spotty. There's some good stuff but plenty of holes in the operations description of the mixer. Otherwise, it sounds pretty good. Regards, Butch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: Re: SV: Behringer FCB1010 HELP! > Hey, > > Thanks for the response. I've been hacking away, and I posted some of > what we've figured out in another post. My basic issue is that some PC > numbers seem to work, others do not. WEIRD. I've gotten around that by > just using CC messages for everything. It's an OK workaround, but I > can't help but wonder, what the hell is going on? > > It sure is nice to be able to use this puppy hands free now, though. > The Repeater/FCB1010 marriage is a strange one... like two people from > totally different cultures. Different language, same basic needs. > Different ideas of how to fulfill those needs, parts that fit together > really well. I think after a while of being together, they'll figure it > out. > > Mark > > On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 03:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > >> Oh mein gott in himmel! This manual SUCKS. I've gone through the > >> steps > >> 10 times now, and I can't for the life of me figure out the simplest of > >> programming changes. What the hell? Is there a trick I'm missing? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > > > > Yes, you're right. That manual sucks. And there seems to be different > > versions of the content as well! I also got a Swedish translation with > > my > > 1010 and the translator must have been reading from another source > > thatn the > > English manual; telling completly different methods for programming > > global > > commands. One were completly wrong and the other worked fine ;-) > > > > Guess you'd better post specific questions. And there must be a lot on > > the > > 1010 in the archives by now. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Per Boysen > > - never trust a manual > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 02:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11902; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:34:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:34:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: EDP loop copy question Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:34:00 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1ce4f$4540d6e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CE0C.371D96E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CE0C.371D96E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92ve got the EDP set to copy loop time- but when I advance to the = blank loop it keeps recording past the length of the original loop. Is this correct or am I missing something? I am looking to have it just copy the exact same length of the first loop- Thanks-=20 =20 Cliff =20 http://www.om-studios.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CE0C.371D96E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=92ve got the EDP set to copy loop time- but when I advance to the blank loop it keeps recording past the length of the = original loop. Is this correct or am I missing something? I am looking to have it just = copy the exact same length of the first loop- Thanks-

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CE0C.371D96E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 02:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13021; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:56:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:56:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP loop copy question Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CE5A.CB0E3910" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000001c1ce4f$4540d6e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2vEejC.A.KJD.u2Zl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CE5A.CB0E3910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Loops/Overdub" set to "Off" I guess would fix it. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@attbi.com] Skickat: den 18 mars 2002 08:34 Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Ämne: EDP loop copy question I’ve got the EDP set to copy loop time- but when I advance to the blank loop it keeps recording past the length of the original loop. Is this correct or am I missing something? I am looking to have it just copy the exact same length of the first loop- Thanks- Cliff http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CE5A.CB0E3910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Loops/Overdub" set to "Off" I guess would = fix=20 it.

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I=92ve got the EDP set = to copy loop=20 time- but when I advance to the blank loop it keeps recording past the = length=20 of the original loop. Is this correct or am I missing something? I am = looking=20 to have it just copy the exact same length of the first loop- Thanks-=20

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CE5A.CB0E3910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 04:36:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18710; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:35:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:35:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318011128.0564c720@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:30:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP loop copy question In-Reply-To: <000001c1ce4f$4540d6e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-J61bC.A.5jE.5Sbl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:34 PM 3/17/2002, Cliff wrote: >I've got the EDP set to copy loop time- but when I advance to the blank >loop it keeps recording past the length of the original loop. Is this >correct or am I missing something? I am looking to have it just copy the >exact same length of the first loop- Thanks- Hi Cliff- I've answered that one before, check the EDP FAQ for some more details: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ2.html#loopcopy also some posts in the archive, a couple of which are answering you the last times you asked about loopcopies :-) http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200109/msg00988.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00798.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00083.html the short answer is that when you just want to copy the loop time, it is just like doing an Insert into a new loop. (just like copying sound is like multiplying into a new loop.) The cycle time base of your original loop is used. when you copy this time base into the new loop it continues adding multiples. that gives you the flexibility to have a new loop that is either the exact same length as the original or some multiple of that length. When you want to end it, you press Insert, since that really is the function you are doing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 05:09:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22244; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:08:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:08:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP loop copy question Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:08:23 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c1ce64$d6e703c0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318011128.0564c720@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim- I see that you already gave detailed and thoughtful comments before- well... thanks again! Of course you caught me not searching the archives which I generally advise others to do- :) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop copy question At 11:34 PM 3/17/2002, Cliff wrote: >I've got the EDP set to copy loop time- but when I advance to the blank >loop it keeps recording past the length of the original loop. Is this >correct or am I missing something? I am looking to have it just copy the >exact same length of the first loop- Thanks- Hi Cliff- I've answered that one before, check the EDP FAQ for some more details: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ2.html#loopcopy also some posts in the archive, a couple of which are answering you the last times you asked about loopcopies :-) http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200109/msg00988.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00798.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00083.html the short answer is that when you just want to copy the loop time, it is just like doing an Insert into a new loop. (just like copying sound is like multiplying into a new loop.) The cycle time base of your original loop is used. when you copy this time base into the new loop it continues adding multiples. that gives you the flexibility to have a new loop that is either the exact same length as the original or some multiple of that length. When you want to end it, you press Insert, since that really is the function you are doing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 06:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26475; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:08:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:08:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c1ce4f$4540d6e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> References: <000001c1ce4f$4540d6e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:07:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP loop copy question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've got the EDP set to copy loop time- but when I advance to the >blank loop it keeps recording past the length of the original loop. >Is this correct or am I missing something? I am looking to have it >just copy the exact same length of the first loop- Thanks- Loop 4 will have this function. So far you will have to end the Copy with Multiply (or Record, or ...) which also gives you the freedom to immediately change the lengh or reverse your copy. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 06:15:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26676; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:09:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:09:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:09:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Syncronizing from a RC-20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally did the trick I recommended before here: Create a Sync-Out from the flashing LED to drive the BeatSync input of the EDP or maybe some other devices. The nice thing about the RC-20 LED is that it always flashes in a reasonable speed, by subdividing the longer loops automatically. In turn, its not even possible to make short, pumping loops with the RC-20! I did the mod in Tim Crowe 's unit and we tested it at the gig in Alameda which was quite nice actually. Tim does nice Djembe and other percussion loops and lives only two blocks away, I hope we can do more... Once again, the lack of Feeback control on the RC-20 really limits the development of the music. Since the RC-20 needs to be master, he had to start the first loop, which was only a problem when I finished a piece and he was in a deep discussion with Kim ;-) Here is how its done: Take off the lid and bend over the top PCB The PCB that appears has a shielding metal on it that make things a bit more dificult, but you dont need to unsolder it. Back on the right is a multiplin connector and its pin5 goes to an R10. From the other end of this R10 you have to take the signal with a fine wire. Its a tricky solder point since its an SMD resistor and its almost under the shield. Since Tim did not use the TriggerNextLoop or what connector, I put it on there. There are 3 contacts to it. The one closer to the boarder of the PCB is ground and usefull as is. The one with the thin track is the hot to connect your wire to. Its easy to interrupt this short track. The third one shortens the hot one if no connecter is inserted, so the LED goes out. Either you have to connect a dummy connector always or live without red LED or interrupt its connection with is less nice to do since its large. Or you interrupt the two white through plating points by drilling a little. Or you find a space for some aditional connector. There needs to be a resistor 1k...10k at the output. You can easily solder it to the connector, between hot and ground. I know you want drawings... I hope they appear, right now I dont have conditions to care for this. :-( Maybe you can convince Tim to shoot a picture of his unit ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 11:27:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13425; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:26:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1ceb4$249d2c80$95a07ed8@waldo> From: "deknow" To: References: <000001c1ce4f$4540d6e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Subject: 909 sync and repeater Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:36:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, i have a few sync problems with my repeater.. 1. the 909 drifts away from sync when the repeater is master (even when a 707 chained after the 909 stays in sync). 2. with the mpc 3000 as master, it seems to double the tempo. i fixed #1 by making the 707 master...i haven't troubleshot the mpc thing yet...any ideas?? deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 12:45:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18668; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:43:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c1cea4$46889880$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <000001c1ce4f$4540d6e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> <000e01c1ceb4$249d2c80$95a07ed8@waldo> Subject: Re: 909 sync and repeater Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:42:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it has to do with the time sig on the Repeater- press and hold the sync source button and an Edit Tempo dialog comes up- you can scroll through the diff time sig/tempos availailable- the drum machines should respond accordingly- As for the 909 sync problem- I can't help you there- good luck. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "deknow" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: 909 sync and repeater > hey all, > > i have a few sync problems with my repeater.. > > 1. the 909 drifts away from sync when the repeater is master (even when a > 707 chained after the 909 stays in sync). > > 2. with the mpc 3000 as master, it seems to double the tempo. > > i fixed #1 by making the 707 master...i haven't troubleshot the mpc thing > yet...any ideas?? > > deknow > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 12:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19105; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:49:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:49:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <192.3f0ff1a.29c7827b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:48:43 EST Subject: adrenillin (sp) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very positive review in the new "guitar player" rag.....anyone play with this unit yet?.....also, quick question, im getting a rack mount are the electrix pieces considered 1 or 2 spaced units, i have 3 electrix boxes an alesis Q-2 and im thinking of putting my mackie 1202 on top, mayhaps ill play out more with this set-up, just what the world needs!.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 12:53:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19366; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:52:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:52:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c1cea5$8aab6aa0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <192.3f0ff1a.29c7827b@aol.com> Subject: Re: adrenillin (sp) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:51:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 spaces. c ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: adrenillin (sp) > very positive review in the new "guitar player" rag.....anyone play with this > unit yet?.....also, quick question, im getting a rack mount are the electrix > pieces considered 1 or 2 spaced units, i have 3 electrix boxes an alesis Q-2 > and im thinking of putting my mackie 1202 on top, mayhaps ill play out more > with this set-up, just what the world needs!.....michael k > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 15:55:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00895; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:54:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:54:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:53:25 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <022f01c1cebe$f2ffe810$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <018d01c1cd44$8065ccf0$420e88cf@stevespc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i made my own pedal with the same metal switches as used in the moogerfoogers. they make a little more noise than the plastic switches on the original edp footswitch, but not as much as the heavy duty 4lb switches like they use on the cry baby. they also have a little longer throw than the original edp fs. but they are very sturdy. it also has an auxiliary switch out (parallel to internal switches) i use this for an extra record switch. i'm still working out the best switch for this. i'm thinking of using a keyboard sustain pedal. you could also connect another full edp footswitch if you just wanted control from two locations, etc... these jacks are isolated from the chassis to avoid the static electricity problem outlined on the loopers-delight footpedal tutorial. (the metal bezels on the buttons are also isolated from the cable) i put this in a hammond caste aluminum enclosure that is 7.4" x 4.7" with two columns of buttons. this is pretty small for most people but i was most concerned with space on my pedal board. i have thought about selling these for, say, $150. anybody interested? improvements i might add: - an a/b switch for controlling two edp's (separately, not both simultaneously) - led's showing which is selected. led's require a dc power in or a battery, but you could use the footswitch without power if you don't want this) - maybe a larger box for those with lot's of space to kill - special order requests? ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: EDP Footpedal > I am getting ready to get an EDP but after reading about how flimsy the > foot pedal that is made for it can be and how some have built their own > ... Can anyone offer advice about this? I am wondering if it really is > that delicate and if so, how difficult would it be to make my own and > where could I get the parts? I also own a PMC-10 as well. > > Thanks, > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03167; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:14:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:14:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1cec1$d902e4a0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <018d01c1cd44$8065ccf0$420e88cf@stevespc> <022f01c1cebe$f2ffe810$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:13:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My only issue with the EDP footpedal is that my intended footpresses sometimes do not depress the button, but rather just hit the leading edge of the front. This seems to happen mostly when I am seated, which is my preferred way (studio use). I have to actually lift my heel off the floor to get it right, rather than rocking on my heel, which would be more natural. If the angle of the button surface or the height of the front edge were slightly different, I suspect this problem would never happen. Or maybe I need to wear glam rocker platform shoes :) I do really like the quietness of the buttons. I have an MPX-R1 footpedal and the swtiches are really loud, no way can I have an open mic near it. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:18:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03490; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:17:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: Vortex in Repeater's effects loop Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:14:53 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000101c1cec1$f2fafeb0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CE8F.A8608EB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CE8F.A8608EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got a Vortex and I have been using it in my Repeater's effects loop. It works great but one frustrating part is that when I engage the effects loop it brings down the output volume considerably. This is a problem when I switch the effects loop on and off which causes very noticeable volume fluctuations. I have the input level on the Vortex set just below the overload level and the output volume is at 64, which I assume is full. I am feeding my Repeater stereo inputs from my Pendulum Acoustic guitar preamp and recording to track 1&2 and then to track 3&4. I first noticed this problem when I recorded a loop to track 1&2 and then turned on the effects loop. The volume dropped considerably. Is this a common problem with the vortex or is there something I'm doing wrong with the Repeater. Thanks any help is much appreciated! Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CE8F.A8608EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just got a Vortex and I have been using it in my Repeater’s effects loop.

It works great but one frustrating part is that when = I engage the effects loop it brings down

the output volume considerably. This is a problem when I switch the effects loop on = and

off which causes very noticeable volume fluctuations.

 

I have the input level on the Vortex set just below = the overload level and the output volume is

at 64, = which I assume is full.

 

I am feeding my Repeater = stereo inputs from my Pendulum Acoustic guitar preamp and recording to track = 1&2 and then to track 3&4. I first noticed this = problem when I recorded a loop to track 1&2 and then turned on the effects loop. = The volume dropped considerably.

 

Is this a common problem with the vortex or is there something I’m doing wrong with the = Repeater.

 

Thanks any help is much = appreciated!

 

Kevin McPeak

 

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CE8F.A8608EB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:27:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04156; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:26:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:26:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:25:26 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: foot switch noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02b501c1cec3$6bf41f30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm a little confused... (or maybe a big confused) are you guys referring to the acoustic sound of the button or an electronic click? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Card" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: Re: foot switch noise > yeah those clix are a big distraction-i remember when the came out > and the start/stop and the repeat buttons became part of the audio(yikes!) > the trick was to have the click come on the beat and then you could somewhat > masquerade it.thank god that primitive technology has been eradicated...or > has it??? > s > > >>>> How loud are those switches? sometimes those big heavy-duty metal switches > > also make a heavy-duty loud klunk when you press them. I notice that > > whenever I see people use the dl-4 in a quiet setting, or at the quiet > > moment just as they start recording a loop. The loud noise of the pedal is > > distracting.<< > > > > Gotta agree with Kim here - I'd LOVE to swap all the switches on my MPX-R1 > > and DL4 for the same sort as are on the EDP foot pedal... what's with the > > noise????? > > > > Steve > > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:35:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05027; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:34:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:34:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1cec4$ae6aef00$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <02b501c1cec3$6bf41f30$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: foot switch noise Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:34:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was referring to the acoustic sound. btw - I forgot to praise the FCB1010 for being quiet as well. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: Re: foot switch noise > i'm a little confused... > (or maybe a big confused) > are you guys referring to the acoustic sound of the button or an electronic click? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Card" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: foot switch noise > > > > yeah those clix are a big distraction-i remember when the came out > > and the start/stop and the repeat buttons became part of the audio(yikes!) > > the trick was to have the click come on the beat and then you could somewhat > > masquerade it.thank god that primitive technology has been eradicated...or > > has it??? > > s > > > > >>>> How loud are those switches? sometimes those big heavy-duty metal switches > > > also make a heavy-duty loud klunk when you press them. I notice that > > > whenever I see people use the dl-4 in a quiet setting, or at the quiet > > > moment just as they start recording a loop. The loud noise of the pedal is > > > distracting.<< > > > > > > Gotta agree with Kim here - I'd LOVE to swap all the switches on my MPX-R1 > > > and DL4 for the same sort as are on the EDP foot pedal... what's with the > > > noise????? > > > > > > Steve > > > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:35:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05215; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:34:32 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Vortex in Repeater's effects loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02dc01c1cec4$b143d890$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000101c1cec1$f2fafeb0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Resent-Message-ID: <5q-r1C.A.HQB.p1ll8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, the vortex is an instrument level device designed for inline use with guitar, bass, etc.. the repeater effects loop is line level. not much you can do but put a level boost after the vortex... ----- Original Message ----- From: "plain jane" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Vortex in Repeater's effects loop > I just got a Vortex and I have been using it in my Repeater's effects > loop. > It works great but one frustrating part is that when I engage the > effects loop it brings down > the output volume considerably. This is a problem when I switch the > effects loop on and > off which causes very noticeable volume fluctuations. > > I have the input level on the Vortex set just below the overload level > and the output volume is > at 64, which I assume is full. > > I am feeding my Repeater stereo inputs from my Pendulum Acoustic guitar > preamp and recording to track 1&2 and then to track 3&4. I first noticed > this problem when I recorded a loop to track 1&2 and then turned on the > effects loop. The volume dropped considerably. > > Is this a common problem with the vortex or is there something I'm doing > wrong with the Repeater. > > Thanks any help is much appreciated! > > Kevin McPeak > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:40:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05698; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:39:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:39:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318133142.04930f88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:35:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: foot switch noise In-Reply-To: <02b501c1cec3$6bf41f30$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:25 PM 3/18/2002, jim palmer wrote: >i'm a little confused... >(or maybe a big confused) >are you guys referring to the acoustic sound of the button or an >electronic click? I'm talking acoustic noise from the mechanical action of the switch. (it becomes electronic if you use a microphone.) you can hear the call of the DL-4 from across the room. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:46:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06205; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:44:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:44:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c1cec6$4bdb6340$3256e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <018d01c1cd44$8065ccf0$420e88cf@stevespc> <022f01c1cebe$f2ffe810$080210ac@jpalmer> <000e01c1cec1$d902e4a0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:46:01 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Campbell" > > My only issue with the EDP footpedal is that my intended footpresses > sometimes do not depress the button, but rather just hit the leading edge of > the front. This seems to happen mostly when I am seated, which is my > preferred way (studio use). I have to actually lift my heel off the floor > to get it right, rather than rocking on my heel, which would be more > natural. If the angle of the button surface or the height of the front edge > were slightly different, I suspect this problem would never happen. Or > maybe I need to wear glam rocker platform shoes :) > > I do really like the quietness of the buttons. I have an MPX-R1 footpedal > and the swtiches are really loud, no way can I have an open mic near it. Try attaching some large rubber sticky feet at the bottom back or try to unscrew the screws at the bottom back and screw in some non-sticky rubber feet. (Hope that made sense.) This will tilt the whole footpedal forward and it should work better from a seated position. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06564; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:48:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:48:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c1cec6$c79baf80$3256e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318133142.04930f88@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: foot switch noise Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:49:28 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm talking acoustic noise from the mechanical action of the switch. (it > becomes electronic if you use a microphone.) > > you can hear the call of the DL-4 from across the room. > > kim Too true. Has anyone jury-rigged any successful methods of quieting them? (ie: rubber grommets or tape around the base of the switches) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:51:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06848; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:50:31 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: foot switch noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <030501c1cec6$eced36a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318133142.04930f88@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this was my biggest problem with the allaccess. they use heavy duty switches that require 4lbs to press, and they do bestow a mighty kechunk... it is also more difficult to place the click accurately in time. i haven't used the dl-4, but maybe they used the same switch... that's why i am using a separate fs for basic edp control. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: Re: foot switch noise > At 01:25 PM 3/18/2002, jim palmer wrote: > >i'm a little confused... > >(or maybe a big confused) > >are you guys referring to the acoustic sound of the button or an > >electronic click? > > I'm talking acoustic noise from the mechanical action of the switch. (it > becomes electronic if you use a microphone.) > > you can hear the call of the DL-4 from across the room. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 16:53:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07256; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:52:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:52:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.compact.dhs.org: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex in Repeater's effects loop Message-ID: <1016488314.3c96617abb696@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:51:54 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson References: <000101c1cec1$f2fafeb0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> In-Reply-To: <000101c1cec1$f2fafeb0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting plain jane : > Is this a common problem with the vortex or is there something I'm > doing wrong with the Repeater. I do _exactly_ the same thing, and have _exactly_ the same problem. Though I do notice that the latency on having the FX loop on the signal input is a much bigger issue for me. the problem with the volume drop is merely that the Vortex operates at -10db, and the Repeater is expecting +4 (i think ... please correct me if i'm wrong). i personally don't find this _too_ irritating, only mildly. i'm just happy to have an effects loop at all. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 17:11:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09336; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: RE: foot switch noise Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:07:52 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000201c1cec9$59a9c090$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <030501c1cec6$eced36a0$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I rigged up a foot switch system for my EDP using the FATAR PS-100 Switches, got them from Guitar Center for 5 bucks a piece. Very quite and easy to hit. They are fairly large so it kinda took up some space but was very accurate and quite. Now I use a FCB 1010 and that works great as well. Kevin McPeak -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: foot switch noise this was my biggest problem with the allaccess. they use heavy duty switches that require 4lbs to press, and they do bestow a mighty kechunk... it is also more difficult to place the click accurately in time. i haven't used the dl-4, but maybe they used the same switch... that's why i am using a separate fs for basic edp control. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: Re: foot switch noise > At 01:25 PM 3/18/2002, jim palmer wrote: > >i'm a little confused... > >(or maybe a big confused) > >are you guys referring to the acoustic sound of the button or an > >electronic click? > > I'm talking acoustic noise from the mechanical action of the switch. (it > becomes electronic if you use a microphone.) > > you can hear the call of the DL-4 from across the room. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 17:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11386; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:48:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:48:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:48:18 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex in Repeater's effects loop References: <000101c1cec1$f2fafeb0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> <02dc01c1cec4$b143d890$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use my vortex successfully, but only because I have it before a Digitech DSP128, that has the ability to change it's inputs and outputs to line or instrument level. So, I have it set to take in the instrument level of the Vortex, and spit out a line level for the Repeater. I've got to keep the input volume on the Vortex WAY down, but it's working fine for me. It's an amazing little combo. You can buy small devices that convert line to instrument level signals, and visa versa. This may be the way to go. I found that if I bought two of those, it would be the equivalent of buying a used mutli-effects processor, and since I already had the DSP128, it worked out fine. Hope this helps. Mark jim palmer wrote: > yeah, the vortex is an instrument level device > designed for inline use with guitar, bass, etc.. > the repeater effects loop is line level. > not much you can do but put a level boost after the vortex... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "plain jane" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:14 PM > Subject: Vortex in Repeater's effects loop > > > I just got a Vortex and I have been using it in my Repeater's effects > > loop. > > It works great but one frustrating part is that when I engage the > > effects loop it brings down > > the output volume considerably. This is a problem when I switch the > > effects loop on and > > off which causes very noticeable volume fluctuations. > > > > I have the input level on the Vortex set just below the overload level > > and the output volume is > > at 64, which I assume is full. > > > > I am feeding my Repeater stereo inputs from my Pendulum Acoustic guitar > > preamp and recording to track 1&2 and then to track 3&4. I first noticed > > this problem when I recorded a loop to track 1&2 and then turned on the > > effects loop. The volume dropped considerably. > > > > Is this a common problem with the vortex or is there something I'm doing > > wrong with the Repeater. > > > > Thanks any help is much appreciated! > > > > Kevin McPeak > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 18:06:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13731; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:05:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:05:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:04:03 -0800 Subject: Re: foot switch noise From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318133142.04930f88@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well in the case of the it was an acoustic click that also became part of the loop... s > At 01:25 PM 3/18/2002, jim palmer wrote: >> i'm a little confused... >> (or maybe a big confused) >> are you guys referring to the acoustic sound of the button or an >> electronic click? > > I'm talking acoustic noise from the mechanical action of the switch. (it > becomes electronic if you use a microphone.) > > you can hear the call of the DL-4 from across the room. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 18:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15856; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:35:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:35:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00da01c1cea3$422f9410$0ff8c440@g0wn7> From: "JAMES R FOWLER, III" To: References: Subject: behringer footcontroller Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:35:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any of you guys/girls using the behringer: are you using it exclusively with the repeater? i'm wondering about it's capacity to control an eventide, since everybody is singing the behringer's praises. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 19:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18692; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:03:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:03:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:02:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >For this reason tutorial video or written tutorial with audio examples would >be worth their weight in gold. Hint, hint :-) whats the weight of a bit? ;-) in form of text, there is a lot on LD. Anyone could compile more from the lists archive. A video would be a good thing. But not so easy. >As incentive this could be done for some $$ profit for the creators of >same... I doubt it, somehow... >Maybe in conjunction with release of new OS? not directly because we are uptight with the release. But you can come to a meeting here in Oakland and see and listen and try and ask and film and scream of pleasoore for a whole day very soon how many $$ is that worth? > >NG > > >> >> The reason that these are such great tips, is that they are practical use >> case examples. The edp manual has a wealth of knowledge, but if you can't >> apply it practically, you are struggling and discovering by >> accident (Which >> isn't bad, just a longer road). >> >> I resolve to post any useful use-case examples that I stumble across. >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 19:19:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19855; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:18:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:18:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: foot switch noise Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:17:44 -0600 Message-ID: <006f01c1cedb$7e0067c0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002a01c1cec6$c79baf80$3256e540@sunspot> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are these metal switches momentary like on the Digitech FS300 or do they make a click caused by engaging and disengaging the switch? I guess the best of both worlds would be a sturdy metal mechanism with plastic/graphite, etc. dampers eliminating the noise. Probably a $50 switch! :-) Steve P.S. Thanks to everyone who has made comments about the EDP footcontroller. I have found everyone's comment extremely helpful. > > > I'm talking acoustic noise from the mechanical action of > the switch. > > (it > > becomes electronic if you use a microphone.) > > > > you can hear the call of the DL-4 from across the room. > > > > kim > > Too true. Has anyone jury-rigged any successful methods of > quieting them? > (ie: rubber grommets or tape around the base of the switches) > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 19:30:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20775; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:28:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:28:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: EDP feedback pedal by Oberheim Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:28:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4s6jZD.A.iDF.kYol8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have taken a Oberheim analog volum pedal for test from a store and have until tomorrow to decide of I shall buy it or not. It's working fine connected to the EDP feedback jack, but the feedback only goes up to 86. With a midi pedal it goes all the way to 127. Now, it's hard to find analog volum pedals, so I was thinking that I could maybe buy this one and replace the potentiometer? If so, what potentiometer should I go for? What's the specs? Or is it possible to define some "active zone" from the EDP? I don't really need the feedback to go all the way down to zero. Now it goes 0 - 86 but I would rather have it go 46 - 127, if now 86 is the available zone. I did search the archives for this but find nothing, which surprised me. Another interesting idea BTW: Have someone mounted a potentiometer on a guitar or bass for manipulating the EDP feedback? I cannot do this myself since I sometimes play sax, which keeps both hands more busy than the guitar, but I just got curious today when thinking about this :-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 19:37:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21457; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:36:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:36:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C968768.A10518C7@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:33:44 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Duet Tracks Now Online (Part 1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello folks, Some of the EDP duet tracks I've recorded with multi-instrumentalist Eric Oberthaler are now online in both streaming and downloadable formats. Except where otherwise noted, these are all live improvs (or excerpts) recorded straight to 2-track... 1) Sort of like "Sketches of Spain" remixed by the Warp Records All-Stars. I don't believe the EDP's were in sync for this one, but just sort of spinning away on their own... download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/arcalumis.mp3 stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/arcalumis.ram 2) Flamenco dancehall, or something. Definitely had both EDP's in sync on this one (though hopefully not N'Sync on this one...) download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/alys.mp3 stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/alys.ram 3) An experiment with each EDP using multiple loops, switching between them at the same time, to try and spontaneously create different sections. There's an edit at the 10:00 mark, but that's the only post-performance tweak. download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/hypnogogia-ABC.mp3 stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/hypnogogia-ABC.ram 4) A track using both EDPs integrated (in both sync'd and unsync's modes) into some of Eric's MIDI sequences. download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/aromatichybridfigure.mp3 stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/aromatichybridfigure.ram 5) A very wierd excerpt of an even wierder overall improv. Some serious unmultiply action towards the end... download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/desktoptrashcan.mp3 stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/desktoptrashcan.ram Holler if there are any problems with the links above... Eric's homepage: http://www.soundsliketree.com My homepage: http://www.altruistmusic.com Thanks for listening! --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 19:43:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22013; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:42:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:42:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:31:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > A video would be a good thing. But not so easy. With all due respect: a digital camcorder mounted on a tripod, do your thing (that's the hard part, and the reason we want the video :-), apply a little editing after uploading via Firewire to iMovie, create a compressed web-video, would be a piece of cake. I would do that but don't think I can break free from Portland... > > >Maybe in conjunction with release of new OS? > > not directly because we are uptight with the release. what does 'uptight' mean: imminent or stressed :-)? > But you can come to a meeting here in Oakland and see and listen and > try and ask and film and scream of pleasoore for a whole day > very soon > how many $$ is that worth? priceless :-) Hope someone else can video it... NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 20:12:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24796; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:11:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:11:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:11:46 -0800 Message-ID: <004301c1cee3$0aa3f5a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6DZRTC.A.gCG.6Apl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some thoughts- I'm sure we could do a grass roots production and have a video tape chain for distribution- it all begins with someone being able to tape it- that's all- the tape can be handed off to someone else for editing and so on. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP > A video would be a good thing. But not so easy. With all due respect: a digital camcorder mounted on a tripod, do your thing (that's the hard part, and the reason we want the video :-), apply a little editing after uploading via Firewire to iMovie, create a compressed web-video, would be a piece of cake. I would do that but don't think I can break free from Portland... > > >Maybe in conjunction with release of new OS? > > not directly because we are uptight with the release. what does 'uptight' mean: imminent or stressed :-)? > But you can come to a meeting here in Oakland and see and listen and > try and ask and film and scream of pleasoore for a whole day > very soon > how many $$ is that worth? priceless :-) Hope someone else can video it... NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 20:36:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26385; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:35:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:35:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:34:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedal by Oberheim Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi, > >I have taken a Oberheim analog volum pedal for test from a store and have >until tomorrow to decide of I shall buy it or not. It's working fine >connected to the EDP feedback jack, but the feedback only goes up to 86. >With a midi pedal it goes all the way to 127. amazing. So there is a 5k Ohm pot in it, probably. > >Now, it's hard to find analog volum pedals, so I was thinking that I could >maybe buy this one and replace the potentiometer? If so, what potentiometer >should I go for? What's the specs? 10k Ohm linear. The problem is to get a good enough pot. I did not even know Oberheim had a pedal... It depends on the mechanics how much the axis is under pressure. Usually thats where the pot wears out and produces dust which then create bad contact on the tapers. Other really cheap potentiometers wear out on the tapper itself. I am using a blue Bourns (series 92...) for may years in a Schaller pedal. My Penny & Giles faders also work for 15 years without problem (the Alps died after less than a year). >Or is it possible to define some "active zone" from the EDP? only by soldering resistors ;-) >I don't really >need the feedback to go all the way down to zero. Now it goes 0 - 86 but I >would rather have it go 46 - 127 nono, once you buy a pedal... >I did search the archives for this but find nothing, which surprised me. me too! We need to fix that. >Another interesting idea BTW: >Have someone mounted a potentiometer on a guitar or bass for manipulating >the EDP feedback? I cannot do this myself since I sometimes play sax, which >keeps both hands more busy than the guitar, but I just got curious today >when thinking about this :-) That could work! It would only take one more wire, so with a stereo cable... It would not serve for me, though, I need to control it while playing. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 20:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26651; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:37:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C969644.CD77876A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:37:08 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Duet Tracks Now Online (Part 1) References: <3C968768.A10518C7@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NICE! Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hello folks, > > Some of the EDP duet tracks I've recorded with multi-instrumentalist > Eric Oberthaler are now online in both streaming and downloadable > formats. Except where otherwise noted, these are all live improvs (or > excerpts) recorded straight to 2-track... > > 1) Sort of like "Sketches of Spain" remixed by the Warp Records > All-Stars. I don't believe the EDP's were in sync for this one, but > just sort of spinning away on their own... > > download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/arcalumis.mp3 > stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/arcalumis.ram > > 2) Flamenco dancehall, or something. Definitely had both EDP's in sync > on this one (though hopefully not N'Sync on this one...) > > download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/alys.mp3 > stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/alys.ram > > 3) An experiment with each EDP using multiple loops, switching between > them at the same time, to try and spontaneously create different > sections. There's an edit at the 10:00 mark, but that's the only > post-performance tweak. > > download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/hypnogogia-ABC.mp3 > stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/hypnogogia-ABC.ram > > 4) A track using both EDPs integrated (in both sync'd and unsync's > modes) into some of Eric's MIDI sequences. > > download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/aromatichybridfigure.mp3 > stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/aromatichybridfigure.ram > > 5) A very wierd excerpt of an even wierder overall improv. Some serious > unmultiply action towards the end... > > download: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~eobe/al_eo/desktoptrashcan.mp3 > stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/desktoptrashcan.ram > > Holler if there are any problems with the links above... > > Eric's homepage: http://www.soundsliketree.com > > My homepage: http://www.altruistmusic.com > > Thanks for listening! > > --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 20:55:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27859; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:54:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:54:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:53:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: How to edit loop recordings quantized Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you bring looped recordings to an audio editor, its MUCH easyer when the tempo fits to the recording so you can use the grid to select entire loops to move them arround. This may be trivial but it took me a while to find it out for the Performer so here is the cook book: - Create a SoundBite with exactly and entire known number of loops in it. Select for example 8 loops (more is more acurate) of a track where the structure is easily visible and copy/paste it to a new track. - Select this SoundBite in the SoundBite window and go to Menu Audio Set SoundBite Tempo. Multiply the number of bars in your loop with the number of loops in the SoundBite, type it into the duration in bars slot and see a reasonable result in BPM. - In Edit Window, select the SoundBite and apply Menu Audio Adjust Sequence to SoundBite Tempo. Confirm and correct maybe looking at a later bit... - Set the grid in the upper right corner of the Edit window to 1/2 or 1/4 of the total loop. By this, you still have a choice to select several parts of it, but have it easy to count 2 or 4 bits of selection. Now, maybe you want to create more loops or replace the recording of the loops by relooping the recording of the original instrument: - select the bit you want to loop, copy paste it onto a new track. - Choose Set Loop in the Menu Audio (I created the cmd-L keyboard access for it ;-) - They only offer you to indicate the number of repetitions or infinite. This is not so handy, since you may not know how far it will go. Since the number of tracks is limited, you may want to overwrite the loop with another one later in the piece. Sadly, its not possible to overwrite, you need to end a loop before another can start on the same track! So I suggest to choose infinite, and when you come to the point to replace it: - go to where the first loop starts on the track, click on the very left lower corner of it (when the cursor turns into a hand) and click once to go to the Loop level and agan to select it. Now you can either delete it and create a new one (seems easier to me), or go to the event window and edit its length there. Unfortunatly they let you just type in where you want it to end, so in any case you have to calculate or count the number of repetitions. I also tried to create the loop by Repeat... but did not like it, because it does not work with the selection of a SoundBite and Larry sais it uses more RAM... I may be wrong and really hope, someone comes up with easier ways! I would say: Performer is not quite Loop Proof yet! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 21:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29814; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:03:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:03:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:59:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedal by Oberheim In-Reply-To: References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- there is a whole page on the Looper's Delight Echoplex section just for footpedals. It's been there for many years: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html The correct spec for the pot in the feedback pedal is 20kohm, linear pot. (not 10k as Matthias said.) I suppose you could mount a pot right on your sax! kim At 04:28 PM 3/18/2002, Per Boysen wrote: >Hi, > >I have taken a Oberheim analog volum pedal for test from a store and have >until tomorrow to decide of I shall buy it or not. It's working fine >connected to the EDP feedback jack, but the feedback only goes up to 86. >With a midi pedal it goes all the way to 127. > >Now, it's hard to find analog volum pedals, so I was thinking that I could >maybe buy this one and replace the potentiometer? If so, what potentiometer >should I go for? What's the specs? > >Or is it possible to define some "active zone" from the EDP? I don't really >need the feedback to go all the way down to zero. Now it goes 0 - 86 but I >would rather have it go 46 - 127, if now 86 is the available zone. > >I did search the archives for this but find nothing, which surprised me. > >Another interesting idea BTW: >Have someone mounted a potentiometer on a guitar or bass for manipulating >the EDP feedback? I cannot do this myself since I sometimes play sax, which >keeps both hands more busy than the guitar, but I just got curious today >when thinking about this :-) > >Best wishes > >Per Boysen >________________ >http://loopboy.tk >www.boysen.se >www.upsweden.com >www.fuzz.se ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 18 21:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31843; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:42:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:42:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP feedback pedal by Oberheim, also OT gig spam Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:42:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use one of the MIDI knobs on my ZTAR to control feedback . . . the other knob for volume. Most of the time . . . And here's some OT gig spam--Dublin Square on 4th at Market Street downtown San Diego tomorrow from 4:30 to 7:30--I'll be using the Ztar with a trio (mostly folk music) and probably also using the EDP to loop percussion at least--I don't really know, cause I've never played a gig with Mike Stewart before, he of Raggle Taggle fame--but the other guy is the fellow I replaced so long ago in Jackstraws, David Kendall, and I have a real good idea of what he does--both are singing acoustic guitarist, not much single note melody out of these boys, so I figure to play bass on the Ztar and then switch to melody for solos. So the bottom line is, <<>>--probably not a loop gig per se--but come see me anyway, free beer for an LD T-shirt, blah, blah, blah. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Have someone mounted a potentiometer on a guitar or bass for manipulating the EDP feedback? I cannot do this myself since I sometimes play sax, which keeps both hands more busy than the guitar, but I just got curious today when thinking about this :-) Best wishes Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 02:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19360; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:33:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:33:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP feedback pedal by Oberheim Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:33:10 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I suppose you could mount a pot right on your sax! > > kim Yes, of course. But it doesn't make much sense if I don't mount the mic as well ;-) Thanks for the correct info on the potentiometer BTW. per boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 05:02:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29750; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:01:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c1cfc4$339dbe00$37711cd3@oemcomputer> From: "cameron street" To: References: <006f01c1cedb$7e0067c0$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: DL4 distortion problem Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:01:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was using a dl4 and a headrush. but changed to 2 dl4's. it was quieter, and better all around, BUT!!!! noticed a slight distortion on the top end, Gain adjustment on amp won't change much. so 1 dl4 is cool, 2 is too much signal. What's the go? please help. i bought the 2nd DL4 instead of paying my car rego. Have i made a mistake! cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 07:04:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07458; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:03:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:03:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: TIP: Swell Tremolo with EDP and RPTR Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:03:11 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C968768.A10518C7@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just found out that you can record a "swell tremolo" into both EDP and Repeater by moving the midi controller used for "volume" while in recording/overdub mode. On the EDP you will hear the tremolo while you are performing it in overdub. On the Repeater, however, you wont hear the effect while in rec mode. However you hear it before pressing rec and after finishing recording. Hope someone finds this tip useful. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 07:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09499; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:29:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C972E5C.2C5555CC@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:26:04 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedal References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <80MfTD.A.yTC.47yl8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim As the faq sais I bought the boss fv50L but it never worked smooth: I reached 127 at 4/5 of the action wich made slight fdb moves (127 to 110 ) a complete guess work. had to solder a small trim pot in paralell and adjust untill full press was exactly 127 so may I suggest that we revaluate the proper vol pedal model an exact value I still dont understand why you didnt follow the "synth controler" path and implement the edp with the usual EV5 (CV TRS pedal) that seems to be a standard (works fine for all my instruments that have a CV exp ped) Claude Kim Flint wrote: > > Hi- > there is a whole page on the Looper's Delight Echoplex section just for > footpedals. It's been there for many years: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html > > The correct spec for the pot in the feedback pedal is 20kohm, linear pot. > (not 10k as Matthias said.) > > I suppose you could mount a pot right on your sax! > > kim > > At 04:28 PM 3/18/2002, Per Boysen wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I have taken a Oberheim analog volum pedal for test from a store and have > >until tomorrow to decide of I shall buy it or not. It's working fine > >connected to the EDP feedback jack, but the feedback only goes up to 86. > >With a midi pedal it goes all the way to 127. > > > >Now, it's hard to find analog volum pedals, so I was thinking that I could > >maybe buy this one and replace the potentiometer? If so, what potentiometer > >should I go for? What's the specs? > > > >Or is it possible to define some "active zone" from the EDP? I don't really > >need the feedback to go all the way down to zero. Now it goes 0 - 86 but I > >would rather have it go 46 - 127, if now 86 is the available zone. > > > >I did search the archives for this but find nothing, which surprised me. > > > >Another interesting idea BTW: > >Have someone mounted a potentiometer on a guitar or bass for manipulating > >the EDP feedback? I cannot do this myself since I sometimes play sax, which > >keeps both hands more busy than the guitar, but I just got curious today > >when thinking about this :-) > > > >Best wishes > > > >Per Boysen > >________________ > >http://loopboy.tk > >www.boysen.se > >www.upsweden.com > >www.fuzz.se > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 07:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10469; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:44:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:44:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP feedback pedal Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:43:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C972E5C.2C5555CC@vtx.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Kim Flint wrote: > > The correct spec for the pot in the feedback pedal is 20kohm, > linear pot. thanks! This morning I succeded to put a normal guitar volume pot into that pedal and it now works like a charm ;-) This pot had "250... something", written on it, but it's cool anyway. Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 10:07:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21946; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:06:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:06:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: syncing RPT to EDP Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:06:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <16nLB9-0N3uJkC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <1ADg5C.A.GWF.IP1l8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, I bought an Electrix Repeater a week ago to go with my EDP. While it shure is a fascinating and great sounding machine I am amazed how they could release a unit with an obvious (although manageable) noise level and a massive latency problem. The time delay when playing through it reminded my instantly of old Midi-guitar days, arrghhh. Mixing the repeater out dry with the original dry signal causes horrible phase cancellations, it's that bad. I guess they send the original signal through their processor in order to take advantage of that effects loop, but with this signal delay it doesn't make sense at all. Anyway, I looked in the archives for some info on syncing the RPT to the EDP but couldn't find anything (maybe I wasn't looking hard enough?). I've patched them via MIDI but so far RPT only executes some pitch shifts when I hit the EDP'S record button. Any hints? Thanks, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 11:50:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29989; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:45:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:45:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRNNzk8c/XFq0DFS4DBKge309GIPQIVAK+TAFemx1cmnttV+KdZNma2WRmd From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:45:12 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Message-ID: <23398-3C976B18-4023@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Om_Audio" 's message of Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:11:46 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <8YHmVD.A.wTH.fs2l8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doesnt anyone on this list live in Hollywood, and have a freind in the film buisiness? Dont they realize how important an EDP Demonstration video is to the world of music ? (no pun intended). Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 12:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02263; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:34:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:34:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4 distortion problem Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:34:03 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2002 17:34:03.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[434DE300:01C1CF6C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Cam, My first guess is that the first DL-4 has a setting that is peaking or otherwise has a gain noticeably higher than unity. Peaking is when filters (such as the sweep effect on the DL-4) emphasize (amplify) a certain frequency range. Other ways of achieving above-unity gain is by layering several overdubs (although this is compensated in part by the DL-4's own internal feedback level control). In other words, the DL-4 is capable of output signals that exceed its own input dynamic range. (This is a property - in fact a virtue - of many effects/processor devices, not a fault of this particular design). A solution might be to route the output of the first DL-4 through compression/limiting if available. A second, less desirable approach is to reduce the input signal level to the first unit (which has the drawback of reducing signal-to-noise ratio by the same amount). Nic >From: "cameron street" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: DL4 distortion problem >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:01:50 -0800 > >I was using a dl4 and a headrush. >but changed to 2 dl4's. >it was quieter, and better all around, BUT!!!! >noticed a slight distortion on the top end, >Gain adjustment on amp won't change much. >so 1 dl4 is cool, 2 is too much signal. >What's the go? >please help. i bought the 2nd DL4 instead of >paying my car rego. Have i made a mistake! >cam > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 14:53:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14551; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:52:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:52:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9796FB.F13D5DD5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:52:30 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF gig spam References: <23398-3C976B18-4023@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9uaDHC.A._iD.Dc5l8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, my band Sleeping will be appearing at Artists' Television Acceses in San Francisco on the 22nd and 23rd of this month (Friday and Saturday). The shows start at 7:30 and go until midnight. We'll be playing in conjunction with a live video mixer on Saturday, and before and after video screenings on Friday. Artists' Television Access 992 Valencia Street @ 21st San Francisco, CA  94110 (415) 824-3890 More info: http://www.atasite.org/ataNav.html thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 14:57:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14921; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:56:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C979846.ED85D11F@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:57:58 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ernie Ball pedal for EDP References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318195748.04a9f410@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Kim Flint From: Hans Lindauer Cc: John Metzler , Loopers Delight , Steven Rice Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone- I decided to copy this to LD, as it seems pertinent to some recent discussion, and also may help out Steve Rice. Our mono volume pedal uses a 250K audio-taper pot. We make a stereo model with a dual 25K linear-taper pot, which is a lot closer to what you'll need (Steve: and it is also designed to work better for line-level signals as a volume control - since it's linear taper, the wires can be flipped around and it will work much better for toe-down fades, plus it's cheaper than the stereo/pan pedal, since it doesn't have the switch). Since you've already bought the mono pedal, I'm guessing you won't want to buy another one just to have a lower resistance pot. Hopefully your dealer will let you return it. Otherwise: I spoke with our sales department regarding replacement pots, and they said that you can buy the replacement 25K pot for $50. I can't recommend this, since you could get your pedal rebuilt by us for $55 including the pot - this might be your best bet, since the rebuild process is tricky (but not impossible if you're patient and mechanically and electronically minded). It's not standard to put a 25K dual pot into a mono pedal rebuild, but I just spoke with the ladies over in the VP department, and they'd be happy to put any of our available parts into your chassis. I'd can help facilitate this if there are any communications problems. You'll find the info you need for the rebuild here: http://www.ernieball.com/product/hardware/pedals/index.html#repair If you want to save a little money and do it yourself, you can buy a pot from your TOCOS distributor: http://www.tocos.com/repdisty.html We use a TOCOS (COSMOS) RV24 series pot: http://www.tocos.com/pcsg/RV20N2_RV202_RV24_P3.htm Ideally, you'll want a 20K linear (B) taper pot, with a 10 mm bushing length and a 20 mm long shaft. Our shafts are custom-made to 25 mm length, so you'll have to flip the pulley over for the set screw to contact the shaft. We use the plain type of shaft end, although any of the available types should work. You can probably find a suitable replacement from another brand using these specs and the other dimensions given on the TOCOS page. Let me know if you have any other questions, and please let me know how it turns out. Yours, -Hans Lindauer -Ernie Ball, Inc. Kim Flint wrote: > > Hi John- > > if it is a pedal designed for guitar/bass passive pickups, then probably > the impedance of the pot is much higher than 20kohm. This would explain why > a big part of the range doesn't change the feedback, because the echoplex > will consider anything over the 20k point to be 100% feedback. > > You might consider changing the pot inside the pedal to a 20k version if > you otherwise really like the pedal, or maybe Ernie Ball has a variation > with a lower impedance pot. > > I'm cc'ing this to Hans Lindauer of Ernie Ball, he probably knows if they > have such a pedal or if the pot can easily be changed. > > kim > > At 06:25 PM 3/18/2002, you wrote: > >Hi there. I just joined your looping community today. I have been on the > >site quite a bit over the last year but just joined today. I have had my > >EDP for around 6 months now. I have finally decieded that I need a volume > >pedal for the feedback control. A lot of volume pedals are big and > >ugly. I finaly decided on an Ernie Ball pasive volume pedal. It put me > >back $100, but it is strong, simple and beautiful. Unfortunatly it's not > >as effective as I hoped. I read the section on pedal controls on the > >site. It seems like this one should work perfect but.......... the feed > >back stays at 100% from the toe down position to around half way to the > >heal. All of the control is in the rest of the way down. The resistance > >on this pedal is greater than 20k ohns, I just checked the Ernie Ball > >site. I checked to see if the pedal worked as a volume pedal and it's > >fine (I used my Bass with pasive pick ups) Can you enlighten me? > > > >---John M. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 15:06:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17206; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:05:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:05:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020319115921.052c6c10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:01:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: syncing RPT to EDP In-Reply-To: <16nLB9-0N3uJkC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:06 AM 3/19/2002, A.Willers wrote: >Anyway, I looked in the archives for some info on syncing the RPT to the >EDP but couldn't find anything (maybe I wasn't looking hard enough?). I've >patched them via MIDI but so far RPT only executes some pitch shifts when I >hit the EDP'S record button. Any hints? one hint, you need to put them on different midi channels so that the midi output from the EDP for the button presses is ignored by the repeater. Midi clock is global, so it doesn't care what channel things are on. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 15:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17640; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:08:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:08:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <196.3f4bd57.29c8f48e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:07:42 EST Subject: adrenalin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >very positive review in the new "guitar player" rag.....anyone play with >this >unit yet?..... i heard it, didn't play it, wasn't much attracted..... >also, quick question, im getting a rack mount are the electrix >pieces considered 1 or 2 spaced units, 2 spaces each for filterfact, mofx, repeater, warpfact. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 15:11:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18064; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:10:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:10:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.156e2544.29c8f509@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:09:45 EST Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <2DLTaD.A.eZE.xs5l8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes: >Doesnt anyone on this list live in Hollywood, and have a freind in the >film buisiness? Dont they realize how important an EDP Demonstration >video is to the world of music ? hollywood: ha! but, i believe that kim f. tried to organise this w/gibson, some buncha years ago..... no dice, yet. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 15:31:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19605; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C945@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: L.A. gig spam/23 march 2002 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:23:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1CF83.E2F97830" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1CF83.E2F97830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" l. stinkbug: scott amendola: drums, percussion, loopage nels cline: guitars, noise, loopage steuart liebig: contrabassguitars, applied tools and technology, loopage, g.e. stinson: guitars, implements, loopage in a cd-release event (cd: "the allure of roadside curios" on starlight furniture company) 23 march 2002 two sets: first set @ 10:30 p.m. second set sometime after that. $10.00 admission @ rocco 6320 santa monica blvd hollywood, ca http://www.roccoinla.com/ Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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l. stinkbug:

scott amendola: drums, percussion, loopage

nels cline: guitars, noise, loopage

steuart liebig: contrabassguitars, applied tools and technology, loopage,

g.e. stinson: guitars, implements, loopage



in a cd-release event

(cd: "the allure of roadside curios" on starlight furniture company)


23 march 2002

two sets:

first set @ 10:30 p.m.
second set sometime after that.

$10.00 admission

@ rocco
6320 santa monica blvd
hollywood, ca

http://www.roccoinla.com/





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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1CF83.E2F97830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 17:03:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28787; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:02:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:02:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:55:26 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: adrenalin[n] In-reply-to: <196.3f4bd57.29c8f48e@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <196.3f4bd57.29c8f48e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_ousi.A.uAH.uU7l8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >are the electrix pieces considered 1 or 2 spaced units [?] At 3:07 PM -0500 3/19/02, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >2 spaces each for filterfact, mofx, repeater, warpfact. FilterQueen and EQ killer are 2 spaces high but only 1/2 space wide, so 2 units take up 2 spaces. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 17:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29094; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:04:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4A7BE8AA-3578-11D6-9E9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <4A7BE8AA-3578-11D6-9E9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:03:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Repeater upgrade horror story Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:16 PM -0800 3/11/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >settle down sonny boy, it's probably not that bad. Your OS must >have gotten corrupted somewhere along the line. Re download it, and >try again. There's nothing that's melted in your Repeater. I bet >it will all be fine. Actually, it turns out that some very early Repeaters have a problem with the upgrade, and have to go back to Electrix for repair. Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 19:06:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08563; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:05:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:05:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C97D216.661BDC6B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:04:41 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater upgrade horror story References: <4A7BE8AA-3578-11D6-9E9D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn! I'm sorry! I was one of the poor fellows that ended up with a bad Simple Technologies 128 meg card. Electrix fixed me up quick, they're on top of customer service, as far as I can tell. Good luck. Mark Chris Muir wrote: > At 9:16 PM -0800 3/11/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >settle down sonny boy, it's probably not that bad. Your OS must > >have gotten corrupted somewhere along the line. Re download it, and > >try again. There's nothing that's melted in your Repeater. I bet > >it will all be fine. > > Actually, it turns out that some very early Repeaters have a problem > with the upgrade, and have to go back to Electrix for repair. > > Chris > > -- > http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between > cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 19:57:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11386; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:53:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:53:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: syncing RPT to EDP Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:41:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020319115921.052c6c10@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >Anyway, I looked in the archives for some info on syncing the RPT to the > >EDP but couldn't find anything (maybe I wasn't looking hard > enough?). I've > >patched them via MIDI but so far RPT only executes some pitch > shifts when I > >hit the EDP'S record button. Any hints? > Obvious things to check: EDP is sending midi out; RPTR has its midi sync button enabled; EDP midi OUT (not thru) goes into RTPR midi IN. If you're using a midi patchbay, make sure midi clock is not being filtered. Note that the setting on the EDP for 8th/beat affects the tempo that is seen by the RPTR. Before you record anything on the RPTR, if you have created a loop on the EDP and all is well, you will see the LCD on the RTPR change its tempo indication. NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 20:42:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15298; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:40:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:40:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c501c1cf4b$e399f860$1b62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203192031.PAA19727@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demos of Looping Devices Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:42:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Looping Community, People have been very cynical (with really good reason) about the manufacturers springing for demo videos of looping devices (see the exchanges below). Gang, if we are really serious about taking this community out to the world at large, we are going to need to take matters into our own hands. This community has unbelievable resources at our command. We, collectively, own digital video cameras, digital cameras,recording studios, mixing boards, microphones, servers, fttp sites, promotional and production acumen, etc., etc. At loopstock, individuals digitally recorded the events on both video and audio and had these things ready for posting within a week of the event...................all of this was done for love of looping , love of creativity and love of community. I say we forget about money (as long as we have the necessities of food, lodging, children and equipment ;-) covered) and start planning on expanding this community with all of our resources and love of what it is that we are doing. Some of us are too busy to participate in this kind of adventure on a day to day basis and that is fine........... Even they, however, can lend a hand when possible for la causa. I demand a high wage when I tour or make recording or soundtracks.................I also will play damn near any looping event that I can (when scheduling permits) for free or expenses just because I love this community and this 'artform' (I know, I know, Kim, it is not , technically, an artform) so much. If our resources are not state of the art, so be it. I think some of the prominent musicians on this forum can help out with demonstrations of this gear even if it is not completely PRO. I know I would. I'm reasonably sure my brother would (who knows enough about the repeater already to make me weak in the knees). OK, enough soapboxing............................let's just do it!!!! yours, in art and creativity and looping and having fun doing it, Rick Walker (loop.pool) people wrote: "Doesnt anyone on this list live in Hollywood, and have a freind in the film buisiness? Dont they realize how important an EDP Demonstration video is to the world of music ? hollywood: ha! but, i believe that kim f. tried to organise this w/gibson, some buncha years ago..... no dice, yet. best, dt / splattercell" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 22:27:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22908; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:26:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:26:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:26:11 -0800 Subject: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020319115921.052c6c10@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <3A07A852-3BB2-11D6-A84C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <1r3aM.A.YlF.WFAm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, We're (our ambigroovic band Sleeping) thinking about trying to collaborate with a DJ, someone who does live scratching/samples and could also tweak some beats we've programmed on a Roland MC-307. It's got lot's of knobs, and we've also got a Korg KAOSS pad for extra mangelage. We've got gigs this friday and saturday in SF, and ones on the 1st and 6th of April. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 22:28:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23148; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:27:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:27:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:27:32 -0800 Subject: Re: SF gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C9796FB.F13D5DD5@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <69DCE260-3BB2-11D6-A84C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA23053 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey! I just found out that the gig on saturday is NOT at ATA! It's at a gallary called nOe art space: Value Vacation. 3901 23rd Street @ Sanchez. San Francisco. (415) 824- 2553 See ya then! Mark On Tuesday, March 19, 2002, at 11:52 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey kids, > > my band Sleeping will be appearing at Artists' Television Acceses in San > Francisco on the 22nd and 23rd of this month (Friday and Saturday). The > shows start at 7:30 and go until midnight. We'll be playing in > conjunction with a live video mixer on Saturday, and before and after > video screenings on Friday. > > Artists' Television Access > 992 Valencia Street @ 21st > San Francisco, CA  94110 > (415) 824-3890 > > > More info: > > http://www.atasite.org/ataNav.html > > thanks, > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 19 23:29:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27397; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:28:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:28:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020319195032.02b88d18@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:24:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedal In-Reply-To: <3C972E5C.2C5555CC@vtx.ch> References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:26 AM 3/19/2002, Claude Voit wrote: >As the faq sais I bought the boss fv50L but it never worked smooth: I >reached 127 at 4/5 of the action wich made slight fdb moves (127 to 110 >) a complete guess work. for a lot of people, that is perfect, because they want to be sure they have reached 100% feedback so having some headroom at the top of the range helps them feel more confident about it. And depending on when the EDP was built and various hardware tolerances in the pedal and EDP, it may not have this much play at the end for everybody. I suggest that boss pedal because it is pretty cheap, it seems to be available everywhere, it's reasonably well made, and I know it works pretty well in every echoplex. I'm happy to add more options to that list if you have other good suggestions. Being able to accurately select the feedback with a pedal seemed to be hard no matter what pedal you used, that is why we added the nice feedback display for Loop 4! >had to solder a small trim pot in paralell and adjust untill full press >was exactly 127 >so may I suggest that we revaluate the proper vol pedal model an exact >value feel free to suggest something. >I still dont understand why you didnt follow the "synth controler" path >and implement the edp with the usual EV5 (CV TRS pedal) that seems to be >a standard (works fine for all my instruments that have a CV exp ped) Quite a few reasons: 1. The EV5 has a dedicated cable, volume pedals don't. The EV5 cable is flimsy and not very long. Maybe that is ok for synth players but it is not a good option for everybody. If you are on stage 20 feet away from your rack, you would be screwed. If the drummer drops a cymbal on the cable you are also screwed. With a volume pedal there is just a jack so you can use any cable you want. It's just an ordinary mono patch cord, so if it breaks you can easily fix it at a gig. 2. There are a lot of options for volume pedals. People can choose whatever they want. Or they can easily use a mixer type fader or a pot mounted on their instrument or whatever. It's easy and you still only need a mono cable. We liked the idea of letting the user have flexibility to set things up how they wanted rather than being forced into a method by us. 3. We knew that most of the customers would not be keyboard players, who seem to be the main customers of EV5 pedals. They would mostly be guitarists and bassists and other instrumentalists who would most likely already own at least one volume pedal. We figured it would be nice if they could use something they had already instead of making them go into the keyboard section of the music store where they would feel awkward and out of place. 4. and if you really wanted to use an EV5 pedal, you could easily make/buy an adapter plug that just brought out the tip and shield to a mono plug. (or maybe it's ring and shield, whichever way ends up with the pedal going the right way....) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 04:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17802; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:10:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <131.aad1b4b.29c9aba7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:08:55 EST Subject: Re: Vortex in Repeater's effects loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <2xH_J.A.rUE.JHFm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > yeah, the vortex is an instrument level device > designed for inline use with guitar, bass, etc.. > the repeater effects loop is line level. > not much you can do but put a level boost after the vortex... > Huh? the Vortex is a line level device with a strong preamp to accept an instrument level signal. Or so I thought anyway. More people have problems with the output being too loud for instrument level applications than have Kevin's problem Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 06:06:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28331; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:04:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: midgard.darkcanvas.com: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:03:49 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: To: Subject: new Z-Vex looping pedal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't wait to try this out. http://www.zvex.com/junky.html best, Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 06:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29983; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:24:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:24:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9870CB.40966F6F@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:21:47 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new Z-Vex looping pedal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <31LsfD.A.0TH.lFHm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not for me, I have enough problems with toys that dont advertise hiss as being a feature :-) Claude burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > I can't wait to try this out. > > http://www.zvex.com/junky.html > > best, > Steve Burnett > burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 09:07:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13274; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:05:14 -0800 Subject: FW: New Pedal! The Lo-fi Loop Junky! From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008501c1cff1$a0692d80$8591c0d8@libretto2> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA13215 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A new looper: TH ---------- > From: "Zachary Vex" > Reply-To: zvex@zvex.com > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:28:40 -0600 > To: > Subject: New Pedal! The Lo-fi Loop Junky! > > > > Hello! > > It’s done… the Lo-fi Loop Junky (T.M.)! I started on this one over 3 years > ago and kept putting it away, but I sat down seriously this year and > finished the design. It’s a 20 second analog looping sampler, with vibrato > on the loop, and a lovely guitar preamp for your direct sound that uses a > very unique bootstrap circuit. I kept with my traditions of low power and > true-bypass and such, and managed to squeeze my most complicated circuit yet > into a tiny box again, the size of a Fuzz Factory (T.M.). You’re probably > wondering why I’m putting those (T.M.) thingies in this letter… hmm, so am > I. 8^) > > I have shipped the first 50 units to stores around the United States, > including (not in any particular order): True Tone, Tonefrenzy.com, Atomic > Instruments, Rainbow Music, Elderly Instruments, Edtronics, Music-Go-Round > in Texas and Oklahoma, Boston Guitarworks, Sylvan Music, Make’n Music, > Guitar Oasis, 30th Street Guitars, Musictoyz.com, Action, Bananas at Large, > Rudy’s Music Stop, Mesa-Boogie Store, Steve’s Music, Twin Town (they have > serial number 000), and Century Music. > > Information about these dealers can be found on my website here: > > http://zvex.com/dealers.html > > Here’s a list of features: > > -20 seconds record capability (stops recording after 20 seconds) > > -Immediate playback after record with click-free looping > > -Lo-fidelity sound... 2.6kHz playback response, 256 bit equivalent > resolution > > -Analog storage in digital memory without a-to-d conversion (!) > > -Near infinite input impedance using novel bootstrap approach for direct > sound > > -Vibrato depth and speed controls that move around about a semitone maximum > > -Safety switch for record preservation > > -Saves last loop indefinitely without battery power > > -Sleep mode for low power usage! 2mA in bypass, 12 mA while looping or > recording. > > -48 hours continuous looping from one alkaline 9V! (Included) > > -Smells nice! > > -LED indicates record mode and blinks at the end of play loop before repeat > > -Instant playback after record (a few milliseconds of process time, > negligible) > > -Ultra-loud playback if necessary > > -Record level knob allows overdriven analog sampling and aliasing artifacts > > -True-bypass switch restarts loop from top instantly > > -No learning curve! Completely intuitive! > > I’ve just put up a picture of the unit on my site, along with the > instructions (click on the picture on the site). For a larger picture, > click on the picture on the instruction sheet page. I hope to put up some > sound samples in a few days of the Lo-fi Loop Junky and other products. > > Please, because my mailing list is enormous now, go there and read about the > details (if this product interests you) before writing to me with questions, > or else I’ll be buried with replies! Thanks, and thanks for signing up to > my list! > > Zachary Vex > > > > http://zvex.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > http://www.zvex.com/ > To unsubscribe, please send an e-mail to majordomo@zvex.com > In the body of the e-mail type: unsubscribe customers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 09:32:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15649; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:30:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:30:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.53] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demos of Looping Devices Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:29:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 14:29:53.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[B35AC7D0:01C1D01B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I think that's a great idea Rick,  I have a lot of video footage from Loopstock I in San Luis Obispo and I am also willing to do the video shooting of  looping demonstrations or workshops.  Let me know when I can help!  Om and Out     Papa Dave

papadave55@hotmail.com

ps  I am looking for Bob Sellon's address to get 2 upgrade chips for my 2 jammen(jamwomen)  for the girls      (that doesn't sound politically correct)




Hi there,Peace to All who enter here,  Love Dave
>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>Subject: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demos of Looping Devices
>Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:42:18 -0800
>
>Dear Looping Community,
>
>People have been very cynical (with really good reason) about the
>manufacturers springing for demo videos of looping devices (see the
>exchanges below).
>
>Gang, if we are really serious about taking this community out to the world
>at large, we are going to need to take matters into our own hands.
>
>This community has unbelievable resources at our command. We, collectively,
>own digital video cameras, digital cameras,recording studios, mixing boards,
>microphones, servers, fttp sites, promotional and production acumen, etc.,
>etc.
>
>At loopstock, individuals digitally recorded the events on both video and
>audio and had these things ready for posting within a week of the
>event...................all of this was done for love of looping , love of
>creativity and love of community.
>
>I say we forget about money (as long as we have the necessities of food,
>lodging, children and equipment ;-) covered)
>and start planning on expanding this community with all of our resources and
>love of what it is that we are doing.
>
>Some of us are too busy to participate in this kind of adventure on a day to
>day basis and that is fine...........
>Even they, however, can lend a hand when possible for la causa.
>
>I demand a high wage when I tour or make recording or
>soundtracks.................I also will play damn near any looping event
>that I can (when scheduling permits) for free or expenses just because I
>love this community and this 'artform' (I know, I know, Kim, it is not ,
>technically, an artform) so much.
>
>If our resources are not state of the art, so be it. I think some of the
>prominent musicians on this forum can help out with demonstrations of this
>gear even if it is not completely PRO. I know I would. I'm reasonably sure
>my brother would (who knows enough about the repeater already to make me
>weak in the knees).
>
>OK, enough soapboxing............................let's just do it!!!!
>
>yours, in art and creativity and looping and having fun doing it, Rick
>Walker (loop.pool)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>people wrote:
>
>"Doesnt anyone on this list live in Hollywood, and have a freind in the
>film buisiness? Dont they realize how important an EDP Demonstration
>video is to the world of music ?
>hollywood: ha!
>
>but, i believe that kim f. tried to organise this w/gibson, some buncha
>years
>ago..... no dice, yet.
>best,
>dt / splattercell"
>
>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 10:42:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22559; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:41:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:41:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:40:28 -0800 Subject: Digitech PMC 10 for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: kevin cooney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA687@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anybody is interested in a Digitech PMC-10 midi controller, email me. I have one I'm about to put up on Ebay including manual, and hand programming unit. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 10:54:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23340; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:47:17 -0500 Message-ID: <022201c1d026$83dce0f0$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A07A852-3BB2-11D6-A84C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <5_2-J.A.VsF.gALm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, I wish I were still in the bay area, just moved from Palo Alto to Virginia. I'd jump at the chance to try-out for your fine upstanding organization, unfortunately, the Mississippi stands in the way. I was just soliciting ideas for mo'betta ways to chop up my scratch'ed beats in the edp. Anybody in the DC or Northern VA area looking for a DJ (Scratch, rare groove, electronica, funk, loopin' and scratchin') for thier band? Best of luck, D -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) Hey, We're (our ambigroovic band Sleeping) thinking about trying to collaborate with a DJ, someone who does live scratching/samples and could also tweak some beats we've programmed on a Roland MC-307. It's got lot's of knobs, and we've also got a Korg KAOSS pad for extra mangelage. We've got gigs this friday and saturday in SF, and ones on the 1st and 6th of April. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 10:56:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23578; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:54:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:54:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.218.75.148] From: "Ian Maxwell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech PMC 10 for sale Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:54:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 15:54:02.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[749F8D80:01C1D027] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much do you want? Reid >From: kevin cooney >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Digitech PMC 10 for sale >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:40:28 -0800 > > >If anybody is interested in a Digitech PMC-10 midi controller, email >me. I have one I'm about to put up on Ebay including manual, and hand >programming unit. > >Kevin > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 11:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26671; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:14:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:14:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:13:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Digitech PMC 10 for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: kevin cooney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <779E559C-3C1D-11D6-8FB5-000393152862@opendoor.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Reid: I want $150 money order plus buyer pays shipping and handling. I send via UPS ground. I have ebay refrences, and I've been around LoopersDelight for a long time (my band is on the second LoopersDelight CD). Best, Kevin On Wednesday, March 20, 2002, at 07:54 AM, Ian Maxwell wrote: > > How much do you want? > > Reid > > >> From: kevin cooney >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Digitech PMC 10 for sale >> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:40:28 -0800 >> >> >> If anybody is interested in a Digitech PMC-10 midi controller, email >> me. I have one I'm about to put up on Ebay including manual, and hand >> programming unit. >> >> Kevin >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 11:17:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26893; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:16:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:16:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020319195032.02b88d18@loopers-delight.com> References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020319195032.02b88d18@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:13:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >We figured it would be nice if they could use something they had >already instead of making them go into the keyboard section of the >music store where they would feel awkward and out of place. and you're being serious here? i'm just trying to picture you and Matthias, sitting around, maybe over a cup of herbal tea, saying "well, you know how uncomfortable guitarists get when they're forced to go into the keyboard section of the music store...maybe we should address that". hmmmm.... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 11:34:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27799; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:29:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:29:16 -0800 Subject: Apology for PMC 10 inquiries. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: kevin cooney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <779E559C-3C1D-11D6-8FB5-000393152862@opendoor.com> Message-Id: <9F19DA68-3C1F-11D6-8FB5-000393152862@opendoor.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry that exchange about the pmc 10 got on the list. Will keep to private emails from here on. Best, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 11:38:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28194; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:36:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:36:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:33:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: TIP: Swell Tremolo with EDP and RPTR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, great tip! thanks...looking forward to trying that one out a.s.a.p. another tip (from recent experience)...don't start playing your Repeater in the morning if you want to arrive at work on time... rich >Hi, > >I just found out that you can record a "swell tremolo" into both EDP and >Repeater by moving the midi controller used for "volume" while in >recording/overdub mode. > >On the EDP you will hear the tremolo while you are performing it in overdub. >On the Repeater, however, you wont hear the effect while in rec mode. >However you hear it before pressing rec and after finishing recording. > >Hope someone finds this tip useful. > >Best wishes > >Per Boysen >________________ >http://loopboy.tk >www.boysen.se >www.upsweden.com >www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 15:01:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10758; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:59:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:59:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c1d049$791e3f60$25095cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Cc: "Ambient Mailing List" , "Analogue Heaven" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #260 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:57:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #260 March 14, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Vir Unis. Vir Unis is a synthesist and a percussionist who uses grooves and atmospheres to create what he terms electro-psychedelic mind-body music. The Featured CD at midnight was "Blood Machine" by Steve Roach and Vir Unis on the GreenHouse label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP "Sequencer" by Synergy on the Passport Records label. I played the music of Robert Rich who will be at the Gathering on March 23. I also played music of artists who will be at upcoming European EM festivals, the Manikin Marathon on April 5-7 and the Alfa Centauri festival on March 16. Vir Unis http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/focus02.html#mar Robert Rich http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html Manikin Marathon http://www.manikin.de/bodynews.html#sulza_e Alfa Centauri http://www.alfacentauri.nl PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy S-Scope Sequencer (Passport Records) Kayanis Synesthesis I Synesthesis (Luna Music) Detlef Keller Tear 1 Behind the Tears (Manikin) AirSculpture Dark Design Thunderhead (NeuHarmony) Craig Padilla Vostok * Vostok (Spotted Peccary) Robert Rich Dervish Dreamtime Sunyata (Hypnos) 12:00 am Steve Roach & Vir Unis Dissolving the Code Blood Machine (GreenHouse) Steve Roach & Vir Unis Evolution Blood Machine (GreenHouse) Steve Roach & Vir Unis Impulse Blood Machine (GreenHouse) Steve Roach & Vir Unis Neurotropic Blood Machine (GreenHouse) Steve Roach & Vir Unis Mindheart Infusion Blood Machine (GreenHouse) Steve Roach & Vir Unis Sense * Blood Machine (GreenHouse) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Vir Unis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Aeonian Glow" by Vir Unis on the GreenHouse label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Time Actor" by Richard Wahnfried on the IC label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 15:27:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11924; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:21:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:19:44 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200203202019.MAA08665@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new Z-Vex looping pedal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Knowing Z-vex, this will cost more than an RC20. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 15:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12174; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:27:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:27:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: More Repeater Effects loop issues... Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:24:48 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000001c1d04d$4829e950$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1D01A.FD90FFF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_f4Eg.A.q9C.NCPm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1D01A.FD90FFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I think I fixed the drop in volume that occurred when I placed my Vortex in my Repeaters effects loop. I took the STEREO OUTPUT of the Vortex and ran it into a Furman Eq. With the EQ bypassed on the Furman I used it to boost the output of the Vortex and then ran that back into the Repeaters effect's RETURNS. Everything seemed to be working fine I was getting level on both Right and Left channels of the Furman and I was able to apply appropriate gain to the OUTPUT of the Vortex so that there was no drop in volume when the Vortex was engaged. BUT.. With the Furman in the equation I was then able to adjust the gain of both Right and Left Vortex outputs independently via the Right and Left outputs of the Furman. This led me to discover that adjusting the Right level output of the Furman (aka right RETURN to the Repeater) created no change in the Repeater's audio output. When I adjusted the left output on the Furman it had total control on the Repeater's audio output. It was if the Repeater's Right effect's return was non-functional. So then I took it one step further and just unplugged the right effect's return. This led to no change in the Repeater's audio signal. I then plugged the right return back in and unplugged the left return, this muted the channels I was sending to the effects return. So it seems to me that my Repeater has no need for its Right effect's return, I don't get it. Any advice. Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1D01A.FD90FFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So I think I fixed the drop in volume that occurred = when I placed my Vortex in my

Repeaters effects loop. I took the STEREO OUTPUT of = the Vortex and ran it into a Furman

Eq. With = the EQ bypassed on the Furman I used it to boost the output of the Vortex and then ran = that back into the

Repeaters effect’s RETURNS. Everything seemed = to be working fine I was getting level on both Right and Left = channels

of the = Furman and I was able to apply appropriate gain to the OUTPUT of the Vortex so that = there was no drop in volume when the Vortex was engaged. BUT….

 

With the Furman in the equation I was then able to = adjust the gain of both Right and Left Vortex outputs independently via the Right = and Left outputs of the Furman. This led me to discover that adjusting the Right = level output of the Furman (aka right RETURN to = the Repeater) created no change in the Repeater’s audio output. When I adjusted the left output on the Furman it had total control on the = Repeater’s audio output. It was if the Repeater’s Right effect’s return = was non-functional.

 

So then I took it one step further and just unplugged = the right effect’s return. This led to no change in the Repeater’s = audio signal. I then plugged the right return back in and unplugged the left = return, this muted the channels I was sending to = the effects return. So it seems to me that my Repeater has no need for its Right = effect’s return, I don’t get it…

 

Any advice…

 

Kevin McPeak

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1D01A.FD90FFF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 15:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12376; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:28:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:28:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Music Critics Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:28:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D04D.BD800EF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D04D.BD800EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very funny. =20 >From a local Austin newspaper where SXSW is in full swing:=20 =20 'Yes, you are a groupie' and 35 more things every rock critic should = know By Michael Corcoran and Robert Wilonsky=20 Austin American-Statesman=20 Thursday, March 14, 2002=20 =20 Nearly 700 music critics, several of whom don't have a record review in = the new Blender, will be scouring our town for information this week. = Here's a heapin' helpin' of the truth all at once.=20 1. Writing for rollingstone.com isn't the same as writing for Rolling = Stone. But then, these days writing for Rolling Stone isn't the same as = writing for Rolling Stone.=20 2. Guitars do not "ring" or "chime." Bells do.=20 3. Go ahead and admit it: You don't get the Velvet Underground.=20 4. Using rap slang in your reviews only makes you come off more like a = white kid from the suburbs.=20 5. The first person is not the First Amendment. It's a privilege, not a right.=20 6. Ryan Adams has no talent.=20 7. It's a record review, not a term paper.=20 8. Three of the most frightening words ever: "The American MOJO."=20 9. Your band stinks.=20 10. Alejandro Escovedo doesn't really like you -- he's using you.=20 11. Lou Reed doesn't really hate you -- he's just using you.=20 12. Dressing like a rock star doesn't make you look like a rock star: = It only reinforces the stereotype that critics are musician wannabes (Boy, that's three David Fricke refs in a row.)=20 13. Stop trying to make Richard Thompson famous. Ain't gonna happen.=20 14. Dude, I can't believe we went to the same concert.=20 15. Do not quote other rock critics. Hanging out with them is pathetic enough.=20 16. Lester Bangs is dead. What's your excuse?=20 17. Saying you like Radiohead's "difficult" albums will only encourage = them. 18. You can't have a "benefit concert" for millionaires, no matter what = Don Henley says.=20 19. You don't really like heavy metal. So stop writing about it = already.=20 20. Three more of the most frightening words ever: "Robert Christgau prot=E9g=E9."=20 21. If you've ever received a rejection from No Depression, you might = want to consider another career path.=20 22. Don't you dare cross the street to avoid Mojo Nixon. Five years ago = you were sucking up to him.=20 23. If you receive a sex tape featuring a prominent R&B artist and = don't dub copies for friends, then you deserve the Chicago Sun-Times.=20 24. If you've ever shared a hot tub with a rock star, please keep it to yourself.=20 25. "Yo La Tengo" is Spanish for "Critics Can't Rock."=20 26. Before you take a job with Rolling Stone you should know that the = name on Jann Wenner's business card is "Charles Foster Kane." (This is not a joke.)=20 27. Let's see if you can write a concert review without using any of = these words: pulsating, pounding, post-(something).=20 28. Greil Marcus has earned the right to not make sense. You haven't.=20 29. Having Courtney Love hit on you during an interview is as special = as a free coffee refill.=20 30. Go ahead and give Willie Nelson a bad review. You know you want to. = 31. Would you please stop that incessant, jerky, head-bobbing? Standing behind you at a show is like staring at a strobe light.=20 32. Don't ask. Don't tell. (If you're from out of town, Cheapo buys everything.)=20 33. Who the heck is encouraging all those telemarketers posing as publicists?=20 34. Three things you know nothing about: dance music, hip-hop and jazz. = 35. Re: the Strokes. Make up your mind already. =20 =20 Carl Jacobson Director of Marketing Communications Cakewalk 51 Melcher Street, 8th Floor Boston, MA 02210 p. 617.423.9004 f. 617.423.9007 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D04D.BD800EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Very funny.

 

From a local Austin newspaper where SXSW is in full swing:

 

'Yes, you are a groupie' and 35 more things every rock critic should know By Michael Corcoran and Robert Wilonsky

Austin American-Statesman

Thursday, March 14, 2002

 

Nearly 700 music critics, several of whom don't have a record review in the new Blender, will be scouring our town for information this week. Here's a heapin' helpin' of the truth all at once.

1. Writing for rollingstone.com isn't the same as writing for Rolling Stone. But then, these days writing for Rolling Stone isn't the same as writing for Rolling Stone.

2. Guitars do not "ring" or "chime." Bells do.

3. Go ahead and admit it: You don't get the Velvet Underground.

4. Using rap slang in your reviews only makes you come off more like a white kid from the suburbs.

5. The first person is not the First Amendment. It's a privilege, not a right.

6. Ryan Adams has no talent.

7. It's a record review, not a term paper.

8. Three of the most frightening words ever: "The American MOJO."

9. Your band stinks.

10. Alejandro Escovedo doesn't really like you -- he's using you.

11. Lou Reed doesn't really hate you -- he's just using you.

12. Dressing like a rock star doesn't make you look like a rock star: It only reinforces the stereotype that critics are musician wannabes (Boy, that's three David Fricke refs in a row.)

13. Stop trying to make Richard Thompson famous. Ain't gonna happen.

14. Dude, I can't believe we went to the same concert.

15. Do not quote other rock critics. Hanging out with them is pathetic enough.

16. Lester Bangs is dead. What's your excuse?

17. Saying you like Radiohead's "difficult" albums will only encourage them.

18. You can't have a "benefit concert" for millionaires, no matter what Don Henley says.

19. You don't really like heavy metal. So stop writing about it already.

20. Three more of the most frightening words ever: "Robert Christgau protégé."

21. If you've ever received a rejection from No Depression, you might want to consider another career path.

22. Don't you dare cross the street to avoid Mojo Nixon. Five years ago you were sucking up to him.

23. If you receive a sex tape featuring a prominent R&B artist and don't dub copies for friends, then you deserve the Chicago Sun-Times.

24. If you've ever shared a hot tub with a rock star, please keep it to yourself.

25. "Yo La Tengo" is Spanish for "Critics Can't Rock."

26. Before you take a job with Rolling Stone you should know that the name on Jann Wenner's business card is "Charles Foster Kane." (This is not a joke.)

27. Let's see if you can write a concert review without using any of these words: pulsating, pounding, post-(something).

28. Greil Marcus has earned the right to not make sense. You haven't.

29. Having Courtney Love hit on you during an interview is as special as a free coffee refill.

30. Go ahead and give Willie Nelson a bad review. You know you want to.

31. Would you please stop that incessant, jerky, head-bobbing? Standing behind you at a show is like staring at a strobe light.

32. Don't ask. Don't tell. (If you're from out of town, Cheapo buys everything.)

33. Who the heck is encouraging all those telemarketers posing as publicists?

34. Three things you know nothing about: dance music, hip-hop and jazz.

35. Re: the Strokes. Make up your mind already.

 

 

Carl Jacobson
Director of Marketing Communications
Cakewalk

51 Melcher Street, 8th Floor
Boston, MA 02210
p. 617.423.9004

f. 617.423.9007

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D04D.BD800EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 15:36:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12748; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:34:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: syncing RPT to EDP Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200203201556.KAA23753@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200203201556.KAA23753@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:16:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <16nmUc-0GPQxMC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got it! Thanks for the help (on- and offlist) Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 15:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14208; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:48:07 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedal In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020319195032.02b88d18@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0NnxVC.A.ndD.GdPm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:13 AM -0800 3/20/02, rich wrote: >and you're being serious here? i'm just trying to picture you and >Matthias, sitting around, maybe over a cup of herbal tea, saying >"well, you know how uncomfortable guitarists get when they're forced >to go into the keyboard section of the music store...maybe we should >address that". I'm a guitarist, sort of, and I'm uncomfortable going into the *guitar* department of most music stores. Aside from the dreadful clangor, there are all those clueless sales droids circling for the kill (Rik Elswit excepted). The only music stores I feel comfortable in are the funky little mom-and-pop ones where the proprietors are just as happy to have a real conversation as to try to sell you something. I especially like Lightning Joe's Guitar Heaven in Arroyo Grande and Future Music in Hollywood. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 16:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17464; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:39:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:39:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020319195032.02b88d18@loopers-delight.com> Subject: WOT: music store droids. was Re: EDP feedback pedal Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:38:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 21:38:27.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[92094DE0:01C1D057] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm a guitarist, sort of, and I'm uncomfortable going into the > *guitar* department of most music stores. Aside from the dreadful > clangor, there are all those clueless sales droids circling for the > kill (Rik Elswit excepted). The only music stores I feel comfortable > in are the funky little mom-and-pop ones where the proprietors are > just as happy to have a real conversation as to try to sell you > something. I especially like Lightning Joe's Guitar Heaven in Arroyo > Grande and Future Music in Hollywood. > -- There's nothing more depressing than the career music store salesmen who know less about the gear they are selling than you do. Sometimes I'm amazed, or think it's a trick - if half the people who come in the store knows about as much as I do, they've got to learn something eventually. Well, maybe a few things are more depressing. The old ones, who can't play very well either, and try to get you stoked up by those 'auto-accompanyment' keyboards, for example. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 16:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18630; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:55:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:55:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3A07A852-3BB2-11D6-A84C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:55:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 21:55:02.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2F13590:01C1D059] Resent-Message-ID: <5Zfyc.A.jiE.UVQm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, When are we going to jam? Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) > Hey, > > We're (our ambigroovic band Sleeping) thinking about trying to > collaborate with a DJ, someone who does live scratching/samples and > could also tweak some beats we've programmed on a Roland MC-307. It's > got lot's of knobs, and we've also got a Korg KAOSS pad for extra > mangelage. We've got gigs this friday and saturday in SF, and ones on > the 1st and 6th of April. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 16:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18790; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Re: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:56:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 21:56:51.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[240A66A0:01C1D05A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh g**t.. f**r da***!! S***l mailing list responder! Great f**r d**t! b*z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) > Hey Mark, > > When are we going to jam? > > Jonathan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:26 PM > Subject: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) > > > > Hey, > > > > We're (our ambigroovic band Sleeping) thinking about trying to > > collaborate with a DJ, someone who does live scratching/samples and > > could also tweak some beats we've programmed on a Roland MC-307. It's > > got lot's of knobs, and we've also got a Korg KAOSS pad for extra > > mangelage. We've got gigs this friday and saturday in SF, and ones on > > the 1st and 6th of April. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 17:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20868; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:10:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:10:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: Lee "Scratch" Perry interview quote on edp Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:05:22 -0500 Message-ID: <023f01c1d05b$55162300$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know how many old school dub fans there are out there, but here's the King of Dub talking about his 'plex. http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/words/outer05.html Grand Royal: [Asks about the equipment & techniques Perry used at the Black Ark] Scratch: I have special ears and special help. Accessories and ESP. Check them out, heavy letters. English Soundcraft mixing board. Every time it's got to be a Soundcraft. How could I represent my aircraft without a soundcraft? And Echoplex! Everything I believe have to have X in it. Echoplex and sex, anything with X. [Lee's wife laughs] I am in it, full charge. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! With the Echoplex we can do anything. We can change energy and feelings. Because on the Echoplex was rising the invisible ghost of King Arthur. EQ? Soundcraft! The only thing that wasn't Soundcraft was a Marantz amplifier, because that was sent to me from the planet Mars. And my Yamaha headphones as well - it's got to be Yamaha to make you happy and go yamahahahaha! I don't want to use sad things. I don't want to use boring equipment. Grand Royal: Who taught you the most about music? Scratch: The earth, the air, the fire, and the water. D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 17:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21584; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:26:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:24:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Lee "Scratch" Perry interview quote on edp From: Stan Card To: looper people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <023f01c1d05b$55162300$6142a8c0@dyland> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well i gotta coupla his rekkids and i dont know much 'bout the guy-but i think his production techniques are all analog and he is spewin about his tape echoplex for them there dubby thangs he does so goood good good goo go g... s > Don't know how many old school dub fans there are out there, but here's the > King of Dub talking about his 'plex. > http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/words/outer05.html > Grand Royal: [Asks about the equipment & techniques Perry used at the Black > Ark] > Scratch: I have special ears and special help. Accessories and ESP. Check > them out, heavy letters. English Soundcraft mixing board. Every time it's > got to be a Soundcraft. How could I represent my aircraft without a > soundcraft? And Echoplex! Everything I believe have to have X in it. > Echoplex and sex, anything with X. [Lee's wife laughs] I am in it, full > charge. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! With the Echoplex we can do anything. We can > change energy and feelings. Because on the Echoplex was rising the invisible > ghost of King Arthur. EQ? Soundcraft! The only thing that wasn't Soundcraft > was a Marantz amplifier, because that was sent to me from the planet Mars. > And my Yamaha headphones as well - it's got to be Yamaha to make you happy > and go yamahahahaha! I don't want to use sad things. I don't want to use > boring equipment. > Grand Royal: Who taught you the most about music? > Scratch: The earth, the air, the fire, and the water. > > > D > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 17:35:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21997; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:33:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10712DAB0441344BB402E9B9F28F4C4D4FB4DB@msgatl07.iss.net> From: "Filacchione, Alex (ISSAtlanta)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT: synch SR-16, Sonar (or similar) and DTX? Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:32:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <4S4-bD.A.QXF.s4Qm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a question that I cannot seem to find an answer to. Hopefully someone on this list will be able to explain this to me in a "For Dummies" format! My band recorded some songs to the PC (multitrack, using Samplitude, but I also have Sonar). My drummer wants to replace most of his drums with MIDI triggered stuff. He "recorded" himself playing with the song into an Alesis SR-16 drum machine. Basically the song or patterns are stored on the SR-16. I know that there are going to be some areas where hits (bass, cymbals, etc.) are going to be off. What we would like to do is this: Dump the sequences from the SR-16 to Samplitude or Sonar (if you only know how to do this in Cubase or whatever, tell me that too, maybe I can figure out from that what I need to do). If it is possible to assign the MIDI channel/notes to specific drum patches automatically that would be nice, but if not, we can figure something out. Once the sequence from the SR-16 is in Sonar/Samplitude we want to tweak any timing issues by bumping the MIDI note on/off messages to fit the timing of the .wav files (bass guitar) that have already been recorded. Once that is done, we want to take that MIDI sequence info, and send it to my drummer's Yamaha DTX (since he thinks it sounds a lot better and more realistic). At this point we will send the stereo audio out of the DTX back into the audio in of Sonar/Samplitude, and record it as a stereo wav track. OK, not IF it is possible to separate out the drum tracks (say snare, bass cymbal1, cymbal2, tom1, tom2) into separate tracks in SOnar/Samplitude, that would be ideal. My GUESS is that we could separate out the MIDI sequence into sparate tracks, or possibly not do that and just send certain messages out to the DTX such that with one pass (synched to the time-clock in the initial sequence) we record the bass drum, the next pass records the snare (or even on one pass we record bass to the right audio channel and snare to the left), etc., etc. until the whole kit is recorded in digital audio wav format with a track for each piece of teh drum kit. If all else fails we can just have the whole kit on 1 stereo track, but that can cause EQ/mixing problems down the line. If anyone can help, or point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Alex F/Brain21 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 17:50:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23061; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:49:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:49:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c1d02f$31eab430$14f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Music Critics Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:49:24 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01C1D02F.30FC3580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C1D02F.30FC3580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...only a few of the many complaints legitimately lodged against what = may very well be the most ignorant group of "critics" in the history of = criticism... very very funny. thanks for the laugh. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C1D02F.30FC3580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...only a few of the many complaints legitimately = lodged=20 against what may very well be the most ignorant group of "critics" in = the=20 history of criticism...
 
very very funny.  thanks for the = laugh.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C1D02F.30FC3580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 18:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25295; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:05:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:05:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c1d0fa$ee453940$37898ec6@oemcomputer> From: "cameron street" To: References: Subject: DL4 distortion problem/ part II Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:06:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, i've tried the 2 DL4's separate from one another, with and with out batteries, swapt power supply's. my old DL4 is fine. the new one distorts . this is with out any effects running, straight through. I imagine there's nothing adjustable inside? I have a fucked unit. Amazing these things don't show up in the shop, hey! What next? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 18:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25874; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:12:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:12:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C991745.959781D5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:12:06 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedal References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020319195032.02b88d18@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gUvtD.A.wTG.QdRm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, as a former retail music store salesman and guitarist, I RARELY spent any time in the guitar section, and spent most of the time in the keyboard dept with all the pretty toys... Mark rich wrote: > >We figured it would be nice if they could use something they had > >already instead of making them go into the keyboard section of the > >music store where they would feel awkward and out of place. > > and you're being serious here? i'm just trying to picture you and > Matthias, sitting around, maybe over a cup of herbal tea, saying > "well, you know how uncomfortable guitarists get when they're forced > to go into the keyboard section of the music store...maybe we should > address that". > > hmmmm.... > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 18:47:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29218; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:45:53 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demos of Looping Devices To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012901c1d069$5f728a10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200203192031.PAA19727@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c501c1cf4b$e399f860$1b62f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: <-vnQVC.A.WHH.y8Rm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the company i work for has a small vhs duping station where i could make copies 10 at a time. source can be betacam (industry standard), or dv, hi8, svhs, vhs, etc... we can also do encoding for video cd's and dvd's but that's probably a bit too pie-in-the-sky... maybe a few short excerpts in avi or mpg could be put on loopers-delight.com... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demos of Looping Devices > Dear Looping Community, > > People have been very cynical (with really good reason) about the > manufacturers springing for demo videos of looping devices (see the > exchanges below). > > Gang, if we are really serious about taking this community out to the world > at large, we are going to need to take matters into our own hands. > > This community has unbelievable resources at our command. We, collectively, > own digital video cameras, digital cameras,recording studios, mixing boards, > microphones, servers, fttp sites, promotional and production acumen, etc., > etc. > > At loopstock, individuals digitally recorded the events on both video and > audio and had these things ready for posting within a week of the > event...................all of this was done for love of looping , love of > creativity and love of community. > > I say we forget about money (as long as we have the necessities of food, > lodging, children and equipment ;-) covered) > and start planning on expanding this community with all of our resources and > love of what it is that we are doing. > > Some of us are too busy to participate in this kind of adventure on a day to > day basis and that is fine........... > Even they, however, can lend a hand when possible for la causa. > > I demand a high wage when I tour or make recording or > soundtracks.................I also will play damn near any looping event > that I can (when scheduling permits) for free or expenses just because I > love this community and this 'artform' (I know, I know, Kim, it is not , > technically, an artform) so much. > > If our resources are not state of the art, so be it. I think some of the > prominent musicians on this forum can help out with demonstrations of this > gear even if it is not completely PRO. I know I would. I'm reasonably sure > my brother would (who knows enough about the repeater already to make me > weak in the knees). > > OK, enough soapboxing............................let's just do it!!!! > > yours, in art and creativity and looping and having fun doing it, Rick > Walker (loop.pool) > > > > > > > > people wrote: > > "Doesnt anyone on this list live in Hollywood, and have a freind in the > film buisiness? Dont they realize how important an EDP Demonstration > video is to the world of music ? > hollywood: ha! > > but, i believe that kim f. tried to organise this w/gibson, some buncha > years > ago..... no dice, yet. > best, > dt / splattercell" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 18:48:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29330; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:42:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Lee "Scratch" Perry interview quote on edp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopaz, yeah! definitely into dubby stuffs lately... if anybody can point me in the direction of ACTUAL album titles that they think are worth checkin' out, please tell me! off list if ya think that's the way to go... my searches have led me to just a few records...starting slow and don't want to experiment with my money in that genre...it's chock full of artists i don't know anything about. it's like if you were a newbie to Jazz, had some inkling of the sound you liked and didn't have anybody to resource for information...where would you start? whew... that's me with dub for the last year. itchin' to listen/buy da really good stuff and skip some of the crap. recent purchases... King Tubby and Errol Thompson - The Black Foundation in DUB....fantastic, i LOVE this record. King Tubby meets uptown Rockers - considered a classic, from what i've heard. like this one very much, too! also bought a Lee Perry album, forgot the title...him playing with a couple o' white guys... crappy, imho. anybody have suggestions? i'm more familiar with the new school dub stuffs, ala kruder/dorfmeister, thievery, etc... so any help with old school jamaican stuff would be tops! thanks in advance, rich >well i gotta coupla his rekkids and i dont know much 'bout the guy-but i >think his production techniques are all analog and he is spewin about his >tape echoplex for them there dubby thangs he does so goood good good goo go >g... >s > >> Don't know how many old school dub fans there are out there, but here's the >> King of Dub talking about his 'plex. >> http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/words/outer05.html >> Grand Royal: [Asks about the equipment & techniques Perry used at the Black >> Ark] >> Scratch: I have special ears and special help. Accessories and ESP. Check >> them out, heavy letters. English Soundcraft mixing board. Every time it's >> got to be a Soundcraft. How could I represent my aircraft without a >> soundcraft? And Echoplex! Everything I believe have to have X in it. >> Echoplex and sex, anything with X. [Lee's wife laughs] I am in it, full >> charge. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! With the Echoplex we can do anything. We can >> change energy and feelings. Because on the Echoplex was rising the invisible >> ghost of King Arthur. EQ? Soundcraft! The only thing that wasn't Soundcraft >> was a Marantz amplifier, because that was sent to me from the planet Mars. >> And my Yamaha headphones as well - it's got to be Yamaha to make you happy >> and go yamahahahaha! I don't want to use sad things. I don't want to use >> boring equipment. >> Grand Royal: Who taught you the most about music? >> Scratch: The earth, the air, the fire, and the water. >> >> >> D >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 18:54:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30287; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:53:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:53:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:53:05 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Vortex in Repeater's effects loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013d01c1d06a$60df6b10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <131.aad1b4b.29c9aba7@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, i'm not going to argue with mr. vortex. i thought that's how mine was, but i haven't used it in a while... love that bleen. sorry for any confusion... > > yeah, the vortex is an instrument level device > > designed for inline use with guitar, bass, etc.. > > the repeater effects loop is line level. > > not much you can do but put a level boost after the vortex... > > > > Huh? the Vortex is a line level device with a strong preamp to accept an > instrument level signal. > Or so I thought anyway. > More people have problems with the output being too loud for instrument level > applications than have Kevin's problem > > > > > Andy Butler > Lexicon Vortex Database > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 18:58:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30793; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:57:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:57:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:57:03 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200203202357.PAA25716@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new Z-Vex looping pedal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Knowing Z-vex, this will cost more than an RC20. And what arrived in shipping and receiving this morning but a Z-Vex LoFi Looper? $450 list. Do I hear $375? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 19:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32288; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:00:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:00:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C992216.E8C99A90@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:58:14 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demosof Looping Devices References: <200203192031.PAA19727@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c501c1cf4b$e399f860$1b62f93f@global> <012901c1d069$5f728a10$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick and others, I'm about 1/3 of the way through the text portion of a three-part EDP demo/tutorial addition to my web site. I still need to finish text, do the coding, and upload a few more audio examples, but hopefully it'll be up and running early- to mid-April. If anyone has specific questions or issues with the EDP that they haven't found good answers to, go ahead and drop me an email and I'll see if it's something I'm qualified to touch on. Better yet, post it to the list, and maybe someone else can answer it for everyone (myself included!) I certainly don't consider myself an expert on the EDP, but I do think that some sort of documented explanation of specific audio examples might be a good place to start, and that's what I'm working on at the moment. Needless to say, I'll holler when it's up and running. Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 19:04:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32584; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:03:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:03:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C95D@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: new Z-Vex looping pedal Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:03:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D06B.DA8127A0" Resent-Message-ID: <6stvID.A.M8H.GNSm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D06B.DA8127A0 Content-Type: text/plain so . . . how is it?? stig -----Original Message----- From: Rik Elswit [mailto:rik@well.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new Z-Vex looping pedal > Knowing Z-vex, this will cost more than an RC20. And what arrived in shipping and receiving this morning but a Z-Vex LoFi Looper? $450 list. Do I hear $375? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D06B.DA8127A0 Content-Type: text/html RE: new Z-Vex looping pedal

so . . . how is it??

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: Rik Elswit [mailto:rik@well.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: new Z-Vex looping pedal


> Knowing Z-vex, this will cost more than an RC20.


And what arrived in shipping and receiving this morning but a Z-Vex LoFi
Looper?   $450 list.    Do I hear $375?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D06B.DA8127A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 19:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00447; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:06:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:06:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020321000621.18705.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: My profile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200203202250.RAA23169@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I added my name to the Loopers Of The World database, so if anyone wants to check out my profile, it's listed under "Chris Richards". ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 19:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01372; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:22:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:22:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020320182034.008076a0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:20:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: OT: synch SR-16, Sonar (or similar) and DTX? In-Reply-To: <10712DAB0441344BB402E9B9F28F4C4D4FB4DB@msgatl07.iss.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, for the first part, simply record the midi out drum beat of the SR-16 onto a track in Samplitude or Sonar - I use Cubase and assume your software is about the same. Hopefully, timing issues will not be a problem - if so, well that's another topic. Once the track is recorded, line it up so the beat sequences are correct and edit it how you wish. In Cubase, you can also split the midi instrument parts onto separate tracks - snare, kick, etc. M.... At 05:32 PM 3/20/02 -0500, you wrote: >I have a question that I cannot seem to find an answer to. Hopefully >someone on this list will be able to explain this to me in a "For Dummies" >format! > >My band recorded some songs to the PC (multitrack, using Samplitude, but I >also have Sonar). > >My drummer wants to replace most of his drums with MIDI triggered stuff. > >He "recorded" himself playing with the song into an Alesis SR-16 drum >machine. Basically the song or patterns are stored on the SR-16. I know >that there are going to be some areas where hits (bass, cymbals, etc.) are >going to be off. > >What we would like to do is this: > >Dump the sequences from the SR-16 to Samplitude or Sonar (if you only know >how to do this in Cubase or whatever, tell me that too, maybe I can figure >out from that what I need to do). If it is possible to assign the MIDI >channel/notes to specific drum patches automatically that would be nice, but >if not, we can figure something out. > >Once the sequence from the SR-16 is in Sonar/Samplitude we want to tweak any >timing issues by bumping the MIDI note on/off messages to fit the timing of >the .wav files (bass guitar) that have already been recorded. > >Once that is done, we want to take that MIDI sequence info, and send it to >my drummer's Yamaha DTX (since he thinks it sounds a lot better and more >realistic). At this point we will send the stereo audio out of the DTX back >into the audio in of Sonar/Samplitude, and record it as a stereo wav track. > >OK, not IF it is possible to separate out the drum tracks (say snare, bass >cymbal1, cymbal2, tom1, tom2) into separate tracks in SOnar/Samplitude, that >would be ideal. My GUESS is that we could separate out the MIDI sequence >into sparate tracks, or possibly not do that and just send certain messages >out to the DTX such that with one pass (synched to the time-clock in the >initial sequence) we record the bass drum, the next pass records the snare >(or even on one pass we record bass to the right audio channel and snare to >the left), etc., etc. until the whole kit is recorded in digital audio wav >format with a track for each piece of teh drum kit. > >If all else fails we can just have the whole kit on 1 stereo track, but that >can cause EQ/mixing problems down the line. > >If anyone can help, or point me in the right direction, it would be greatly >appreciated! > >Thanks! > >Alex F/Brain21 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 19:27:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01576; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:25:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:25:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020320182429.008383f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:24:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demos of Looping Devices In-Reply-To: <012901c1d069$5f728a10$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <200203192031.PAA19727@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c501c1cf4b$e399f860$1b62f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just want to say that I'm excited by all of this - using the collective knowledge of the community to enhance individual (and collective) creativity. Very cool. I'll help. M.... At 05:45 PM 3/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >the company i work for has a small vhs duping station where i could make copies 10 at a time. >source can be betacam (industry standard), or dv, hi8, svhs, vhs, etc... >we can also do encoding for video cd's and dvd's but that's probably a bit too pie-in-the-sky... >maybe a few short excerpts in avi or mpg could be put on loopers-delight.com... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:42 AM >Subject: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demos of Looping Devices > > >> Dear Looping Community, >> >> People have been very cynical (with really good reason) about the >> manufacturers springing for demo videos of looping devices (see the >> exchanges below). >> >> Gang, if we are really serious about taking this community out to the world >> at large, we are going to need to take matters into our own hands. >> >> This community has unbelievable resources at our command. We, collectively, >> own digital video cameras, digital cameras,recording studios, mixing boards, >> microphones, servers, fttp sites, promotional and production acumen, etc., >> etc. >> >> At loopstock, individuals digitally recorded the events on both video and >> audio and had these things ready for posting within a week of the >> event...................all of this was done for love of looping , love of >> creativity and love of community. >> >> I say we forget about money (as long as we have the necessities of food, >> lodging, children and equipment ;-) covered) >> and start planning on expanding this community with all of our resources and >> love of what it is that we are doing. >> >> Some of us are too busy to participate in this kind of adventure on a day to >> day basis and that is fine........... >> Even they, however, can lend a hand when possible for la causa. >> >> I demand a high wage when I tour or make recording or >> soundtracks.................I also will play damn near any looping event >> that I can (when scheduling permits) for free or expenses just because I >> love this community and this 'artform' (I know, I know, Kim, it is not , >> technically, an artform) so much. >> >> If our resources are not state of the art, so be it. I think some of the >> prominent musicians on this forum can help out with demonstrations of this >> gear even if it is not completely PRO. I know I would. I'm reasonably sure >> my brother would (who knows enough about the repeater already to make me >> weak in the knees). >> >> OK, enough soapboxing............................let's just do it!!!! >> >> yours, in art and creativity and looping and having fun doing it, Rick >> Walker (loop.pool) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> people wrote: >> >> "Doesnt anyone on this list live in Hollywood, and have a freind in the >> film buisiness? Dont they realize how important an EDP Demonstration >> video is to the world of music ? >> hollywood: ha! >> >> but, i believe that kim f. tried to organise this w/gibson, some buncha >> years >> ago..... no dice, yet. >> best, >> dt / splattercell" >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 20:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04560; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:12:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:12:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:04:17 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demosof Looping Devices In-reply-to: <3C992216.E8C99A90@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200203192031.PAA19727@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c501c1cf4b$e399f860$1b62f93f@global> <012901c1d069$5f728a10$080210ac@jpalmer> <3C992216.E8C99A90@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:58 PM -0800 3/20/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >I'm about 1/3 of the way through the text portion of a three-part EDP >demo/tutorial addition to my web site. I've been having a conversation with Steve Oppenheimer, editor of Electronic Musician, about an article or a series of articles about looping in EM. I've also been talking to Matthias about his doing some writing on the subject. I'd like to do some writing myself, and I encourage others to do this. At some point it might be a good thing to assemble these various writings into a book, and if looping does indeed continue to penetrate into the mainstream such a project may be deemed commerically viable by one of the music book publishers. In the meantime we have the Looper Delight Web site and various list members' personal sites to serve as the zeroeth edition. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 20:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04481; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:11:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:11:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:11:17 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: Lee "Scratch" Perry interview quote on edp In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have yet to hear a bad record by Augustus Pablo. First-generation dub. My fav is "East of the River Nile," recently reissued by some British label whose name I forget. Lots of tasty melodica and very stoned Echoplexing. An incredible textbook on how to make air move. The best part is the tagline on the back of the jacket: "Producecd by Jah Rastafari" Incidentally, in the previous post, Scratch is talking about his original (most likely tube) Echoplex, definitely NOT an EDP! Anyone know where to find out more info on his gear? On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, rich wrote: > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:42:51 -0800 > From: rich > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Lee "Scratch" Perry interview quote on edp > Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:47:02 -0500 > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > loopaz, > > yeah! definitely into dubby stuffs lately... > if anybody can point me in the direction of ACTUAL album titles that > they think are worth checkin' out, please tell me! off list if ya > think that's the way to go... > > my searches have led me to just a few records...starting slow and > don't want to experiment with my money in that genre...it's chock > full of artists i don't know anything about. it's like if you were a > newbie to Jazz, had some inkling of the sound you liked and didn't > have anybody to resource for information...where would you start? > whew... > > that's me with dub for the last year. itchin' to listen/buy da > really good stuff and skip some of the crap. > > recent purchases... > > King Tubby and Errol Thompson - The Black Foundation in > DUB....fantastic, i LOVE this record. > > King Tubby meets uptown Rockers - considered a classic, from what > i've heard. like this one very much, too! > > also bought a Lee Perry album, forgot the title...him playing with a > couple o' white guys... crappy, imho. > > anybody have suggestions? i'm more familiar with the new school dub > stuffs, ala kruder/dorfmeister, thievery, etc... so any help with old > school jamaican stuff would be tops! > > thanks in advance, > > rich > > > > >well i gotta coupla his rekkids and i dont know much 'bout the guy-but i > >think his production techniques are all analog and he is spewin about his > >tape echoplex for them there dubby thangs he does so goood good good goo go > >g... > >s > > > >> Don't know how many old school dub fans there are out there, but here's the > >> King of Dub talking about his 'plex. > >> http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/words/outer05.html > >> Grand Royal: [Asks about the equipment & techniques Perry used at the Black > >> Ark] > >> Scratch: I have special ears and special help. Accessories and ESP. Check > >> them out, heavy letters. English Soundcraft mixing board. Every time it's > >> got to be a Soundcraft. How could I represent my aircraft without a > >> soundcraft? And Echoplex! Everything I believe have to have X in it. > >> Echoplex and sex, anything with X. [Lee's wife laughs] I am in it, full > >> charge. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! With the Echoplex we can do anything. We can > >> change energy and feelings. Because on the Echoplex was rising the invisible > >> ghost of King Arthur. EQ? Soundcraft! The only thing that wasn't Soundcraft > >> was a Marantz amplifier, because that was sent to me from the planet Mars. > >> And my Yamaha headphones as well - it's got to be Yamaha to make you happy > >> and go yamahahahaha! I don't want to use sad things. I don't want to use > >> boring equipment. > >> Grand Royal: Who taught you the most about music? > >> Scratch: The earth, the air, the fire, and the water. > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 20:31:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05378; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:30:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:30:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c1d077$b710c620$6401a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: Subject: new Yahoo group for FCB1010 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:28:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01C1D034.A2515300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C1D034.A2515300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see that a Yahoo group has been created for FCB1010 users. It is = linked from this very useful page http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/ that has been noted here previously. See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ AND: in the bookmarks section of this group there is an ad by a guy offering eprom upgrades for $10 (wow) http://home.usit.net/~slloyd/v_eprom.html Bob ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C1D034.A2515300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I see that=20 a Yahoo group has been created for FCB1010 users.  It is = linked
from=20 this very useful page http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/ that has been
noted here = previously.=20 See:   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/

AND:  in the bookmarks section of = this group=20 there is an ad by a guy
offering eprom upgrades for $10 = (wow)
http://home.usit.net/~slloyd/v_eprom.html

Bob
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C1D034.A2515300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 20:49:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06169; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:48:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:48:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:55:09 -0800 From: Michael Baker Subject: OT: selling my JamMan...interested? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C993D7D.AF74BB05@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <000a01c1ca32$ef96af50$26f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: <46VGAB.A.QgB.kvTm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers: I have a Lexicon JamMan that's in very good, but not mint, shape. The not mint part? The footswitch doesn't work--I'm hoping that someone with a DJ worldview or more of a studio than a live approach will be interested. I still have the original power supply and the manual, and I maxed out the memory, which means looooooong loops! I'm sure most of you know all about this unit, but in case you've never played with one, the sound quality is excellent, much better than say, the Boomerang or the Line6 pedal. Used JMs are selling for upwards of $200 on Ebay right now. I'm looking to get $100 for mine. Email me if interested. thanks ~ m.b. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Interstate Medicine", the new album from *Slim* available NOW! check www.slimrocks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 20 21:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08173; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:01:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c1d07c$27044d40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <000a01c1ca32$ef96af50$26f8c440@g0wn7> <3C993D7D.AF74BB05@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: selling my JamMan...interested? Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:00:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You sure that's all you want? I'll take it. Cliff Novey 12421 Venice Blvd., #6 Los Angeles, CA 90066 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Baker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: OT: selling my JamMan...interested? > Hi Loopers: > I have a Lexicon JamMan that's in very good, but not mint, shape. > The not mint part? The footswitch doesn't work--I'm hoping that someone > with a DJ worldview or more of a studio than a live approach will be > interested. > > I still have the original power supply and the manual, and I maxed > out the memory, which means looooooong loops! I'm sure most of you know > all about this unit, but in case you've never played with one, the sound > quality is excellent, much better than say, the Boomerang or the Line6 > pedal. > > Used JMs are selling for upwards of $200 on Ebay right now. I'm > looking to get $100 for mine. Email me if interested. > thanks ~ m.b. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > "Interstate Medicine", the new album from *Slim* > > available NOW! check www.slimrocks.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 00:47:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21861; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:46:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:46:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C997381.2464E915@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:45:37 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lee "Scratch" Perry and the good stuff References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was in the same boat about a year and a half ago and now vintage reggae (and dub of course) is about all I'm buying these days. First off, you can buy bad Augustus Pablo. Okay, not bad, but not as good as it could be. But its easier to list good titles. The Great Pablo, East of the River Nile, and Dubbing with the Don are all good. Basically just about anything on the Blood and Fire (King Tubby's Prophecy of Dub, Heart of the Congoes, Dub Gone Crazy) and Pressure Sounds (Voodooism, Roots Techniques, Techniques in Dub, Cry Tuff Dub Encounter Chapter 1) labels are going to be good (with the caveat that Dub Like Dirt is supposedly only so so). However, beware of anything recorded after 1979. Not saying its not good, but its a safer bet to stay in the 70's with this stuff. As for Lee Perry, Son of Thunder is an excellent 2 disc set that should run you about $16. Also exceptional is Voodooism on Pressure Sounds. You could also do worse than Arkology (3 disc set). From there you could literally buy a hundred records and still not have it all (only 50 or so of which would really be top shelf stuff :-) Lee Perry has done some amazing music (speaking once again only to the 70's--don't know the rest. That's all for the top of my head. If you need more pointers, ask. Vibrate on Kevin > > my searches have led me to just a few records...starting slow and > don't want to experiment with my money in that genre...it's chock > full of artists i don't know anything about. it's like if you were a > newbie to Jazz, had some inkling of the sound you liked and didn't > have anybody to resource for information...where would you start? > whew... > > that's me with dub for the last year. itchin' to listen/buy da > really good stuff and skip some of the crap. > > recent purchases... > > King Tubby and Errol Thompson - The Black Foundation in > DUB....fantastic, i LOVE this record. > > King Tubby meets uptown Rockers - considered a classic, from what > i've heard. like this one very much, too! > > also bought a Lee Perry album, forgot the title...him playing with a > couple o' white guys... crappy, imho. > > anybody have suggestions? i'm more familiar with the new school dub > stuffs, ala kruder/dorfmeister, thievery, etc... so any help with old > school jamaican stuff would be tops! > > thanks in advance, > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 01:24:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24542; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 01:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 01:22:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010c01c1d0a0$58259f90$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: Subject: Re: Lee "Scratch" Perry interview quote on edp Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:19:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are a few that I've found on vinyl lately: "His Majesty's Dub" - Prince Jammy v King Tubbys "Black Liberation Dub [Chapter One]" - Mad Professor "Big Showdown 1980" - Scientist v Prince Jammy "King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown" "Reggae Greats - A Dub Experience" - Sly and Robbie - This is my favorite dub album so far, quite different from the rest with lots of electronic sounds. I can't tell if it's a real album or a compilation of some kind, but it rocks and it's got a hideous pink and green album cover, 1984-stylee. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Lee "Scratch" Perry interview quote on edp > loopaz, > > yeah! definitely into dubby stuffs lately... > if anybody can point me in the direction of ACTUAL album titles that > they think are worth checkin' out, please tell me! off list if ya > think that's the way to go... > > my searches have led me to just a few records...starting slow and > don't want to experiment with my money in that genre...it's chock > full of artists i don't know anything about. it's like if you were a > newbie to Jazz, had some inkling of the sound you liked and didn't > have anybody to resource for information...where would you start? > whew... > > that's me with dub for the last year. itchin' to listen/buy da > really good stuff and skip some of the crap. > > recent purchases... > > King Tubby and Errol Thompson - The Black Foundation in > DUB....fantastic, i LOVE this record. > > King Tubby meets uptown Rockers - considered a classic, from what > i've heard. like this one very much, too! > > also bought a Lee Perry album, forgot the title...him playing with a > couple o' white guys... crappy, imho. > > anybody have suggestions? i'm more familiar with the new school dub > stuffs, ala kruder/dorfmeister, thievery, etc... so any help with old > school jamaican stuff would be tops! > > thanks in advance, > > rich > > > > >well i gotta coupla his rekkids and i dont know much 'bout the guy-but i > >think his production techniques are all analog and he is spewin about his > >tape echoplex for them there dubby thangs he does so goood good good goo go > >g... > >s > > > >> Don't know how many old school dub fans there are out there, but here's the > >> King of Dub talking about his 'plex. > >> http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/words/outer05.html > >> Grand Royal: [Asks about the equipment & techniques Perry used at the Black > >> Ark] > >> Scratch: I have special ears and special help. Accessories and ESP. Check > >> them out, heavy letters. English Soundcraft mixing board. Every time it's > >> got to be a Soundcraft. How could I represent my aircraft without a > >> soundcraft? And Echoplex! Everything I believe have to have X in it. > >> Echoplex and sex, anything with X. [Lee's wife laughs] I am in it, full > >> charge. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! With the Echoplex we can do anything. We can > >> change energy and feelings. Because on the Echoplex was rising the invisible > >> ghost of King Arthur. EQ? Soundcraft! The only thing that wasn't Soundcraft > >> was a Marantz amplifier, because that was sent to me from the planet Mars. > >> And my Yamaha headphones as well - it's got to be Yamaha to make you happy > >> and go yamahahahaha! I don't want to use sad things. I don't want to use > >> boring equipment. > >> Grand Royal: Who taught you the most about music? > >> Scratch: The earth, the air, the fire, and the water. > >> > >> > >> D > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 05:27:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06294; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:26:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C99B472.20250A4A@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:22:42 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedal References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020319195032.02b88d18@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Rich (smiling humanoid face drawn with asci caracters trying to picture the big smile I'm having on my face right now) Claude K:oh for this song I feel like I'll use my volume pedal for volume swells in the intro then I'll plug it in the edp to fade out the loop for the end of the tune M:some more tea ? rich wrote: > > >We figured it would be nice if they could use something they had > >already instead of making them go into the keyboard section of the > >music store where they would feel awkward and out of place. > > and you're being serious here? i'm just trying to picture you and > Matthias, sitting around, maybe over a cup of herbal tea, saying > "well, you know how uncomfortable guitarists get when they're forced > to go into the keyboard section of the music store...maybe we should > address that". > > hmmmm.... > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 05:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06845; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:36:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:36:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT:RE: Lee "Scratch" Perry interview quote on edp Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:36:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1d0c4$35101b60$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <010c01c1d0a0$58259f90$bafccd18@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reggae Greats was a series of compilations on Mango and Island Records (related?) in the mid 80s- all with cool covers some of similar pop-art Warhol-esque stylee and others with custom paintings as cover art-great when your budget is divided between pot and concert tix- I have Black Uhuru and The Wailers still on original cassette. You know it. I'll have to check for that dub one- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lee "Scratch" Perry interview quote on edp Here are a few that I've found on vinyl lately: "His Majesty's Dub" - Prince Jammy v King Tubbys "Black Liberation Dub [Chapter One]" - Mad Professor "Big Showdown 1980" - Scientist v Prince Jammy "King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown" "Reggae Greats - A Dub Experience" - Sly and Robbie - This is my favorite dub album so far, quite different from the rest with lots of electronic sounds. I can't tell if it's a real album or a compilation of some kind, but it rocks and it's got a hideous pink and green album cover, 1984-stylee. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 10:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21935; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010a01c1d0e9$7a761180$280f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Akai Headrush Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:02:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <3eBf6.A.wVF.8Yfm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I told a freind about my Akai Headrush and, on that basis alone, he wants one. Looking at the latest American Musical Supply catalog, I don't see it listed. Have Akai discontinued the Headrush? Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 13:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32691; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:54:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C9870CB.40966F6F@vtx.ch> References: <3C9870CB.40966F6F@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:01:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: new Z-Vex looping pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Not for me, I have enough problems with toys that dont advertise hiss as >being a feature > > >:-) I got a good laugh from his specs, loved the line,"Features aliasing artifacts, distortion, hiss, out-of-tune effects, strange behavior, and long battery life." You gotta admire a manufacturer who dars to tell it like it is! > >Claude > >burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> >> I can't wait to try this out. >> >> http://www.zvex.com/junky.html >> > > best, >> Steve Burnett >> burnett@pobox.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 13:08:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02505; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:05:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:05:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: new Z-Vex looping pedal Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:05:35 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c1d103$01aff3a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the spec: "Smells good" C -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new Z-Vex looping pedal >Not for me, I have enough problems with toys that dont advertise hiss as >being a feature > > >:-) I got a good laugh from his specs, loved the line,"Features aliasing artifacts, distortion, hiss, out-of-tune effects, strange behavior, and long battery life." You gotta admire a manufacturer who dars to tell it like it is! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 13:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02284; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:04:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:04:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Epoch: 1016733813 X-Sasl-enc: EcOItu7HlkNU6gy/0t/Rjw Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:7:16 -0600 From: Jazwell Wankerl Reply-To: duckbill@fastmail.fm To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Akai Headrush Organization: Trad PFX X-mailer: FoxMail 4.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====002_Dragon233736661467_=====" Message-Id: <20020321180329.CF924394047@fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=====002_Dragon233736661467_===== Content-Type: text/plain; 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Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:17:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:17:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Epoch: 1016734609 X-Sasl-enc: GhvGJKBJo/JItRP9Eegz4A Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:20:32 -0600 From: Jazwell Wankerl Reply-To: duckbill@fastmail.fm To: LD Subject: Fw: Soundart Organization: Trad PFX X-mailer: FoxMail 4.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20020321181645.BC49F3940FE@fastmail.fm> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA03478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought this might be interesting to the programmers out there. Potential looping device? Maybe just general sonic mayhem... For Immediate Release. Soundart Unveils the Chameleon at the 2002 Frankfurt Musik Messe. 24-bit rack programmable for any studio or stage task. Frankfurt, Germany. March 13, 2002. Soundart is proud to announce the availability of its programmable studio hardware, the Chameleon. Housed in a sturdy rack unit, the Chameleon is the on ly studio tool that can be completely reprogrammed to perform any conceivable audio or MIDI processing task. Customers can enjoy the crystal-clear 24-bit sound and hands-on interface, without sacrificing the flexibility of computer based audio solutions. Soundart will also give away the programming tools on request, making the Chameleon the first professional audio platform that is truly open. Chameleon can feel at home in the best studios. The Chameleon is an audio processor housed in a sturdy 1u rack. The front panel delivers normal functionality such as volume control, headphone access, and power cycling. In addition, 12 push buttons, an LCD readout, a rotary control and 3 knobs for can be reprogrammed for any functionality desired by the user. Round the back are connections for power, a serial interface for connection to a PC, and MIDI and audio connections. Inside, a powerful Digital Signal Processor (DSP) chip and an embedded Coldfire microcontroller offer the same kind of processing solution found in most modern DSP synthesizers and effects units. Until now studio hardware has been the preserve of professional audio manufacturers; users had no access to the operating system and could not reprogram their hardware. Soundart has broken down the wall separating quality hardware and user accessibility to software. Any Chameleon owner can load or program new applications - through either the serial or MIDI ports - allowing the Chameleon to 'become' a different studio processor. Synthesis, effect processing, MIDI manipulation - the Chameleon can handle all these tasks using purpose-built, professional sounding hardware. All incoming or outgoing audio processed on the Chameleon is handled by a Motorola DSP56303 - the same chip found in the majority of 'virtual analogue' synthesizers made in recent years. Most electronics musicians already own gear using this proven hardware solution. Unlike conventional computers, DSP chips use a different programming model optimised for the kind of math necessary to produce quality real-time audio. Further, this powerful DSP can process audio at depths of up to 56 bits, far beyond what is capable with personal computers. As well as the chip itself, we included 4 'mega-words' of 24-bit RAM, allowing mono delay times of over 87 seconds. All audio passes through high-quality analogue-digital converters operating at 48KHz. More hands-on control for real musicianship. But the Chameleon isn't limited to black-box processing of audio. We employ Motorola's Coldfire processor to manage real-time data input - and visual feedback - from the unit's front panel. And the Chameleon MIDI functionality is no bolted-on afterthought; we have resurrected the powerful MIDIShare programming system that graced the Atari ST and early Macintosh computer, with up to 8 megabytes of RAM for sequence storage and another megabyte of Flash RAM for patch storage. All the most common interface and control tasks are easily manageable using our powerful real-time operating system. Audio developers get a platform to work on that is second to none in terms of quality and robustness. By removing compatibility problems and bloated computer operating systems, developers can focus on what really matters - new ways of processing audio and MIDI for electronic music. The Chameleon's powerful operating software lets programmers exploit all the power in the hardware, without forcing them to reinvent the wheel for basic functionality. With a Chameleon in the studio or stage rack, users get all the benefits of hardware: pristine audio quality, portability, total MIDI compatibility, and an interface they can actually touch. Once an application is loaded, the Chameleon behaves no differently from a purpose-built studio unit. Applications can even be stored in the Flash memory so that they load automatically at power-on. Instead of rebalancing delicate computer configurations every time they want more audio processing, Chameleon users can simply switch on and start work as if they had a dedicated audio processor. When their needs change, a new application can be loaded in seconds from any MIDI sequencer. Breakthrough for developers heralds a new generation of studio tools. Flexible studio tools have been offered before by other firms. But none has the portability and features of the Chameleon. In addition, other products have required programmers to pay crippling fees or undergo difficult approval processes before they are allowed to access pro-quality hardware. This has discouraged many aspiring electronic musicians and sound designers from taking the final step in their chosen field - building their own synthesis and effect processing tools. Soundart changes all that, by sharing their complete software development kit with anyone who wants it. Now both experienced developers and eager learners have access to the same tools used by pro audio developers. As well as programming tools, we also share extensive documentation and examples that expose the secrets of how studio gear actually works. Soundart has opened the door for everyone who has ever dreamed of making their dream studio tools. Our commitment to openness, combined with reference-quality studio hardware, means that those dreams can now become reality. For commercial developers, the Chameleon is just as attractive. A powerful hardware based security system allows applications to be locked to the serial number of the unit for secure distribution. And we don't impose licensing co ditions or royalty charges: developers can sell or give away their applications as they see fit. They may share the source code for collaborative products if they choose, or keep their algorithms completely private - even from us! However developers want to present their work to the public, all are welcome to sell or share applications on our website. We will even provide billing and shipping functionality, so customers have a central point of sale for all their Chameleon needs! Chameleon already shipping to developers and colleges. Rather than talk about future plans, Soundart believes in delivering solutions before talking about them. Chameleon units are already being shipped to developers all over the world, as well as to university research departments. Any DSP developer can start working on a Chameleon now - the only wait is the time it takes us to ship them a unit. Experienced programmers are already at work on applications for use on stage and in the studio, as well as more advanced programming tools for musicians who do not have coding experience. Of course, this would not be news if the hardware were not affordable; but it is. The suggested retail price of the unit is a competitive Euro 795.00 plus applicable taxes. Developers are eligible for discounts depending on their experience and design ideas. Soundart values and respects the research community as well, and will make the unit available to educational institutions at discounted prices - generous support on anyone's terms. Conclusion. No other company can offer this combination of studio functionality, versatility, and openness. We expect the Chameleon to become a fixture in audio racks the world over, as professionals see how they can benefit from this winning combination. Digital signal processing has changed the music industry and ope ned up possibilities undreamt of only a few years ago. The personal computer has brought equally wide changes to the studio. The Chameleon is the first tool that combines all the advantages of both with none of the restrictions. Soundart is proud to open a new chapter in the history of electronics in music. Press contact: Josep-Oriol Tomas, Managing Director Soundart c/ Corcega 89, entlo. 08029 Barcelona - Spain Phone (Main): (34-93) 363 71 00 Fax: (34-93) 321 31 73 http://www.soundart-hot.com/ Mailto:codemaster@soundart-hot.com Press Kit with hi-res pictures available on request. ---Jazwell Wankerl phone: 715.833.2290 cell: 920.980.8311 'Duckbill Glass' Synths * Samples Effects * Engineering I Wonder as I Wander... ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ "He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad." -R Sabatini ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ J, S J 3:8, 11:35 A 17 1C 2:2, C 3:16-17 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 13:34:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04619; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:33:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:33:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c1d0d4$8989fb10$16f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <010a01c1d0e9$7a761180$280f5cd1@-> Subject: Re: Akai Headrush Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:32:52 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm pretty sure they're still building it. musictoyz.com has them, i think. maybe musician's friend...also, check ebay. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 14:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07348; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:14:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:14:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321105921.02573960@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:09:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: DL4 problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1247588==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_1247588==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Maybe someone has an idea about this...I've had the DL4 running problem-free for going on two years now. Always connected the same way - Hosa insert patch cable (1) connected from the L input/L output to the channel 1 (same channel as my clip-on mic) insert on my Mackie 1202. Recently, I was getting a tone (registering as a high D# on my tuner) generated thru the system, which I was able to trace to the DL4. I put in an different Hosa cable and the sound got slightly louder. I have a performance this Friday, so I went and bought another DL4, adapter and a Monster patch cable - same thing, except that now - regardless of which unit or cable - tone generation seems to be intermittent (?...), but putting an insert in the Mackie jack 'deadens' the mixer - no levels on my effects with it plugged in exactly where it has always been. Anyone have any idea? Tom Heasley Tom Heasley Composer/Tubist 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 http://www.hypnos.com/heasley http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://kalvos.org/heasley.html --=====================_1247588==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Maybe someone has an idea about this...I've had the DL4 running problem-free for going on two years now.  Always connected the same way - Hosa insert patch cable (1) connected from the L input/L output to the channel 1 (same channel as my clip-on mic) insert on my Mackie 1202.  Recently, I was getting a tone (registering as a high D# on my tuner) generated thru the system, which I was able to trace to the DL4.  I put in an different Hosa cable and the sound got slightly louder.  I have a performance this Friday, so I went and bought another DL4, adapter and a Monster patch cable - same thing, except that now - regardless of which unit or cable - tone generation seems to be intermittent (?...), but putting an insert in the Mackie jack 'deadens' the mixer - no levels on my effects with it plugged in exactly where it has always been.  Anyone have any idea?

Tom Heasley

Tom Heasley
Composer/Tubist
427 Alma St., Suite 206         Palo Alto, CA  94301
P:  650.322.3633                F:  419.831.3809
http://www.hypnos.com/heasley
http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi
http://kalvos.org/heasley.html

 --=====================_1247588==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 14:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08024; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:27:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:27:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <037f01c1d10e$24cdf7f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321105921.02573960@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: DL4 problem Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:25:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <3eAIKC.A.U7B.BPjm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tom! Here's some stupid suggestions 'cause you've probably already thought of these, but anyway... What happens when you try a different Mackie channel? What happens when you patch the DL-4 into/out-of aux or effect send/returns instead of using the insert? What happens when you substitute another unit (non DL-4) for the DL-4? (You could even use a plain wire.) I suspect a fault in the mixer since you've changed everything else. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Heasley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: DL4 problem Maybe someone has an idea about this...I've had the DL4 running problem-free for going on two years now. Always connected the same way - Hosa insert patch cable (1) connected from the L input/L output to the channel 1 (same channel as my clip-on mic) insert on my Mackie 1202. Recently, I was getting a tone (registering as a high D# on my tuner) generated thru the system, which I was able to trace to the DL4. I put in an different Hosa cable and the sound got slightly louder. I have a performance this Friday, so I went and bought another DL4, adapter and a Monster patch cable - same thing, except that now - regardless of which unit or cable - tone generation seems to be intermittent (?...), but putting an insert in the Mackie jack 'deadens' the mixer - no levels on my effects with it plugged in exactly where it has always been. Anyone have any idea? Tom Heasley Tom Heasley Composer/Tubist 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 http://www.hypnos.com/heasley http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://kalvos.org/heasley.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 14:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08344; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:30:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:30:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:28:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) From: Paul Buelow To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A07A852-3BB2-11D6-A84C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I saw your note about your upcoming performance and your interest in collaborating. Have fun with the show. I have been working up a performance to fit nicely with the setup you describe. I don't know that I am ready to play two shows this weekend but I would like to check you out and prepare something that might work together. At the least, I would like to support and encourage your efforts. I play turntables with a DJM-600 beat sampling + effects mixer and I trigger samples from a Roland S-760 with a mirage. Lately, I have been getting into using Max/MSP and outboard effects to process the sound in real time performance. On the road I have tried to simplify things. I could even dj from a minidisk player or single turntable connected to a casio little radio with balance and tone control. I also play drums and percussion with my DW drum set when needed and am knowledgeable about midi and computer crap. I'll check you out this weekend and perhaps we can setup a time to try something appropriate together. Good luck, Paul on 3/19/02 7:26 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Hey, > > We're (our ambigroovic band Sleeping) thinking about trying to > collaborate with a DJ, someone who does live scratching/samples and > could also tweak some beats we've programmed on a Roland MC-307. It's > got lot's of knobs, and we've also got a Korg KAOSS pad for extra > mangelage. We've got gigs this friday and saturday in SF, and ones on > the 1st and 6th of April. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 15:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11171; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:01:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:01:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9A3BC8.811A9CD2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:00:09 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for DJ/Electronic device person (SF area) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Paul, that sounds great! I know asking someone to sit in on such short notice is a bit crazy, but what's experimental music without some experimentation, eh? Actually, I'm really looking for someone (on these two shows coming up this weekend) to take over the drum machine so I've got one less thing to deal with. Anyway... the friday show at ATA (21st and Valencia) starts at 7:30, and we play until 8:15. There's a bunch of video screenings, and then we play again... maybe until midnight, I'm not sure. The Saturday show is at a gallary called nOe art space: which is: Value Vacation. 3901 23rd Street @ Sanchez. San Francisco. (415) 824-2553. I'm a bit worried about that gig, as I just found out that they're planning on us doing it outside. SF isn't known for it's balmy nights so.... maybe we can move inside if it's too cold. We'll see. Anyway, come up and say hello. If we miss eachother this weekend, let's figure out a time to get together anyway. Talk to you later, Mark Paul Buelow wrote: > Mark, > > I saw your note about your upcoming performance and your interest in > collaborating. Have fun with the show. I have been working up a performance > to fit nicely with the setup you describe. I don't know that I am ready to > play two shows this weekend but I would like to check you out and prepare > something that might work together. At the least, I would like to support > and encourage your efforts. I play turntables with a DJM-600 beat sampling + > effects mixer and I trigger samples from a Roland S-760 with a mirage. > > Lately, I have been getting into using Max/MSP and outboard effects to > process the sound in real time performance. > > On the road I have tried to simplify things. I could even dj from a minidisk > player or single turntable connected to a casio little radio with balance > and tone control. > > I also play drums and percussion with my DW drum set when needed and am > knowledgeable about midi and computer crap. > > I'll check you out this weekend and perhaps we can setup a time to try > something appropriate together. > > Good luck, > > Paul > > on 3/19/02 7:26 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > We're (our ambigroovic band Sleeping) thinking about trying to > > collaborate with a DJ, someone who does live scratching/samples and > > could also tweak some beats we've programmed on a Roland MC-307. It's > > got lot's of knobs, and we've also got a Korg KAOSS pad for extra > > mangelage. We've got gigs this friday and saturday in SF, and ones on > > the 1st and 6th of April. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 15:20:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12135; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:18:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:18:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9A400B.2ED3775D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:18:20 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for ...woops References: <3C9A3BC8.811A9CD2@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_R1cUD.A.P9C.QAkm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com D'OH! Now I'm guilty of that which I despise! Sorry! Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey Paul, that sounds great! I know asking someone to sit in on such short > notice is a bit crazy, but what's experimental music without some > experimentation, eh? Actually, I'm really looking for someone (on these two > shows coming up this weekend) to take over the drum machine so I've got one > less thing to deal with. > > Anyway... the friday show at ATA (21st and Valencia) starts at 7:30, and we > play until 8:15. There's a bunch of video screenings, and then we play > again... maybe until midnight, I'm not sure. The Saturday show is at a gallary > called nOe art space: which is: Value Vacation. 3901 23rd Street @ Sanchez. San > Francisco. (415) 824-2553. I'm a bit worried about that gig, as I just found > out that they're planning on us doing it outside. SF isn't known for it's > balmy nights so.... maybe we can move inside if it's too cold. We'll see. > Anyway, come up and say hello. > > If we miss eachother this weekend, let's figure out a time to get together > anyway. > > Talk to you later, > > Mark > > Paul Buelow wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > I saw your note about your upcoming performance and your interest in > > collaborating. Have fun with the show. I have been working up a performance > > to fit nicely with the setup you describe. I don't know that I am ready to > > play two shows this weekend but I would like to check you out and prepare > > something that might work together. At the least, I would like to support > > and encourage your efforts. I play turntables with a DJM-600 beat sampling + > > effects mixer and I trigger samples from a Roland S-760 with a mirage. > > > > Lately, I have been getting into using Max/MSP and outboard effects to > > process the sound in real time performance. > > > > On the road I have tried to simplify things. I could even dj from a minidisk > > player or single turntable connected to a casio little radio with balance > > and tone control. > > > > I also play drums and percussion with my DW drum set when needed and am > > knowledgeable about midi and computer crap. > > > > I'll check you out this weekend and perhaps we can setup a time to try > > something appropriate together. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Paul > > > > on 3/19/02 7:26 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > We're (our ambigroovic band Sleeping) thinking about trying to > > > collaborate with a DJ, someone who does live scratching/samples and > > > could also tweak some beats we've programmed on a Roland MC-307. It's > > > got lot's of knobs, and we've also got a Korg KAOSS pad for extra > > > mangelage. We've got gigs this friday and saturday in SF, and ones on > > > the 1st and 6th of April. > > > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 15:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12668; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:27:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:27:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9A421D.CA91E580@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:27:10 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Fw: Soundart References: <20020321181645.BC49F3940FE@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Something that can do everything can be curiously close to something that does nothing. franky, this sounds like a nightmare to me. Mark Jazwell Wankerl wrote: > Thought this might be interesting to the programmers out there. Potential looping device? Maybe just general sonic mayhem... > > For Immediate Release. > > Soundart Unveils the Chameleon at the 2002 Frankfurt > Musik Messe. > > 24-bit rack programmable for any studio or stage task. > > Frankfurt, Germany. March 13, 2002. > > Soundart is proud to announce the availability of its > programmable studio hardware, the Chameleon. > Housed in a sturdy rack unit, the Chameleon is the on > ly studio tool that can be completely reprogrammed to > perform any conceivable audio or MIDI processing task. > Customers can enjoy the crystal-clear 24-bit sound and > hands-on interface, without sacrificing the flexibility of > computer based audio solutions. Soundart will also > give away the programming tools on request, making > the Chameleon the first professional audio platform > that is truly open. > > Chameleon can feel at home in the best studios. > > The Chameleon is an audio processor housed in a > sturdy 1u rack. The front panel delivers normal > functionality such as volume control, headphone > access, and power cycling. In addition, 12 push > buttons, an LCD readout, a rotary control and 3 knobs > for can be reprogrammed for any functionality desired > by the user. Round the back are connections for power, > a serial interface for connection to a PC, and MIDI and > audio connections. Inside, a powerful Digital Signal > Processor (DSP) chip and an embedded Coldfire > microcontroller offer the same kind of processing > solution found in most modern DSP synthesizers and > effects units. > > Until now studio hardware has been the preserve of > professional audio manufacturers; users had no > access to the operating system and could not > reprogram their hardware. Soundart has broken down > the wall separating quality hardware and user > accessibility to software. Any Chameleon owner can > load or program new applications - through either the > serial or MIDI ports - allowing the Chameleon to > 'become' a different studio processor. Synthesis, effect > processing, MIDI manipulation - the Chameleon can > handle all these tasks using purpose-built, > professional sounding hardware. > > All incoming or outgoing audio processed on the > Chameleon is handled by a Motorola DSP56303 - the > same chip found in the majority of 'virtual analogue' > synthesizers made in recent years. Most electronics > musicians already own gear using this proven > hardware solution. Unlike conventional computers, > DSP chips use a different programming model > optimised for the kind of math necessary to produce > quality real-time audio. Further, this powerful DSP can > process audio at depths of up to 56 bits, far beyond > what is capable with personal computers. As well as > the chip itself, we included 4 'mega-words' of 24-bit > RAM, allowing mono delay times of over 87 seconds. > All audio passes through high-quality analogue-digital > converters operating at 48KHz. > > More hands-on control for real musicianship. > > But the Chameleon isn't limited to black-box > processing of audio. We employ Motorola's Coldfire > processor to manage real-time data input - and visual > feedback - from the unit's front panel. And the > Chameleon MIDI functionality is no bolted-on > afterthought; we have resurrected the powerful > MIDIShare programming system that graced the Atari > ST and early Macintosh computer, with up to 8 > megabytes of RAM for sequence storage and another > megabyte of Flash RAM for patch storage. All the most > common interface and control tasks are easily > manageable using our powerful real-time operating > system. > > Audio developers get a platform to work on that is > second to none in terms of quality and robustness. By > removing compatibility problems and bloated computer > operating systems, developers can focus on what really > matters - new ways of processing audio and MIDI for > electronic music. The Chameleon's powerful operating > software lets programmers exploit all the power in the > hardware, without forcing them to reinvent the wheel for > basic functionality. > > With a Chameleon in the studio or stage rack, users > get all the benefits of hardware: pristine audio quality, > portability, total MIDI compatibility, and an interface they > can actually touch. Once an application is loaded, the > Chameleon behaves no differently from a purpose-built > studio unit. Applications can even be stored in the > Flash memory so that they load automatically at > power-on. Instead of rebalancing delicate computer > configurations every time they want more audio > processing, Chameleon users can simply switch on > and start work as if they had a dedicated audio > processor. When their needs change, a new > application can be loaded in seconds from any MIDI > sequencer. > > Breakthrough for developers heralds a new generation > of studio tools. > > Flexible studio tools have been offered before by other > firms. But none has the portability and features of the > Chameleon. In addition, other products have required > programmers to pay crippling fees or undergo difficult > approval processes before they are allowed to access > pro-quality hardware. This has discouraged many > aspiring electronic musicians and sound designers > from taking the final step in their chosen field - building > their own synthesis and effect processing tools. > > Soundart changes all that, by sharing their complete > software development kit with anyone who wants it. > Now both experienced developers and eager learners > have access to the same tools used by pro audio > developers. As well as programming tools, we also > share extensive documentation and examples that > expose the secrets of how studio gear actually works. > Soundart has opened the door for everyone who has > ever dreamed of making their dream studio tools. Our > commitment to openness, combined with > reference-quality studio hardware, means that those > dreams can now become reality. > > For commercial developers, the Chameleon is just as > attractive. A powerful hardware based security system > allows applications to be locked to the serial number of > the unit for secure distribution. And we don't impose > licensing co ditions or royalty charges: developers can > sell or give away their applications as they see fit. They > may share the source code for collaborative products if > they choose, or keep their algorithms completely private > - even from us! However developers want to present > their work to the public, all are welcome to sell or share > applications on our website. We will even provide > billing and shipping functionality, so customers have a > central point of sale for all their Chameleon needs! > > Chameleon already shipping to developers and > colleges. > > Rather than talk about future plans, Soundart believes > in delivering solutions before talking about them. > Chameleon units are already being shipped to > developers all over the world, as well as to university > research departments. Any DSP developer can start > working on a Chameleon now - the only wait is the time > it takes us to ship them a unit. Experienced > programmers are already at work on applications for > use on stage and in the studio, as well as more > advanced programming tools for musicians who do not > have coding experience. > > Of course, this would not be news if the hardware were > not affordable; but it is. The suggested retail price of the > unit is a competitive Euro 795.00 plus applicable taxes. > Developers are eligible for discounts depending on > their experience and design ideas. Soundart values > and respects the research community as well, and will > make the unit available to educational institutions at > discounted prices - generous support on anyone's > terms. > > Conclusion. > > No other company can offer this combination of studio > functionality, versatility, and openness. We expect the > Chameleon to become a fixture in audio racks the > world over, as professionals see how they can benefit > from this winning combination. Digital signal > processing has changed the music industry and ope > ned up possibilities undreamt of only a few years ago. > The personal computer has brought equally wide > changes to the studio. The Chameleon is the first tool > that combines all the advantages of both with none of > the restrictions. Soundart is proud to open a new > chapter in the history of electronics in music. > > Press contact: > > Josep-Oriol Tomas, Managing Director > Soundart > c/ Corcega 89, entlo. > 08029 Barcelona - Spain > Phone (Main): (34-93) 363 71 00 > Fax: (34-93) 321 31 73 > http://www.soundart-hot.com/ > Mailto:codemaster@soundart-hot.com > > Press Kit with hi-res pictures available on request. > > ---Jazwell Wankerl > phone: 715.833.2290 > cell: 920.980.8311 > > 'Duckbill Glass' > Synths * Samples > Effects * Engineering > > > > I Wonder as I Wander... > > €€€€€€§€€€€€€ > > "He was born with the gift of laughter > and a sense that the world was mad." > -R Sabatini > > €€€€€€§€€€€€€ > > J, S > J 3:8, 11:35 > A 17 > 1C 2:2, C 3:16-17 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 16:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18170; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:50:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:50:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <001e01c1d122$4f5135a0$f20bc5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <010a01c1d0e9$7a761180$280f5cd1@-> Subject: Re: Akai Headrush Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:49:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.zzounds.com has them in stock at $169. Don't believe they've been discontinued. Hope not. I'm looking to buy mine soon. David =================================== Sanity Assassinations Where the strange get much, much stranger http://forums.delphiforums.com/sanityassassin/start ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" : Hi Loopers, : : I told a freind about my Akai Headrush and, on that basis alone, he wants one. : Looking at the latest American Musical Supply catalog, I don't see it listed. : Have Akai discontinued the Headrush? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 18:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24344; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:04:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:04:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010a01c1d0e9$7a761180$280f5cd1@-> References: <010a01c1d0e9$7a761180$280f5cd1@-> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:53:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Akai Headrush Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Loopers, > >I told a freind about my Akai Headrush and, on that basis alone, he wants one. >Looking at the latest American Musical Supply catalog, I don't see it listed. >Have Akai discontinued the Headrush? > tell him about the EDP ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 18:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25524; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:27:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:27:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:16:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they are laughing at us now, Kim! > and you're being serious here? i'm just trying to picture you and > Matthias, sitting around, maybe over a cup of herbal tea, saying this is not real. I rushed into his ofice and said angy: "so you say on the list that I am wrong while I can show you with the multimeter...!" This is a week ago. I almost kept silent about it, but you deserve to know the full truth, after Kim said: >there is a whole page on the Looper's Delight Echoplex section just >for footpedals. It's been there for many years: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html >The correct spec for the pot in the feedback pedal is 20kohm, linear >pot. (not 10k as Matthias said.) It actually sais "greater than 20k" I did not look it up but took out the multimeter and in praxis the newer EDPs go to full Feedback arround 9 kOhm and the older ones arround 14kOhm. Kim said, the value had to be lowered to meet the tolerances in comercial pedals. Amazing tolerances, I must say... sure, there are a lot of pedals that mechanically dont use the whole range of the pot, but due to those, the good ones we recomment (I also mesured the FV-50L and it goes to exactly 20k) are only used over half their range? Is that fair? Well, its how it is now. At least I wanted to say here what the real value is for those who want something acurate. Now, to Per, I was going to say: "Since you have a new EDP, if you buy a 10k Bourns potentiometer you are fine, since those are probably 5 or 10% tolerated." But then you said that you are happy with a 250k pedal?? Probably a log, but even then... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 18:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26551; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:53:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:53:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:55:43 +0100 Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---------------------------------------------------- > Now, to Per, I was going to say: "Since you have a new EDP, if you > buy a 10k Bourns potentiometer you are fine, since those are probably > 5 or 10% tolerated." > But then you said that you are happy with a 250k pedal?? Probably a > log, but even then... Well, I should have written down the specs of that pot... Only remember it said "250 something". But it's the usual ones used as volume pot for Stratocasters. And it's working fine for feedback control of the EDP. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 19:02:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28008; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:01:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:01:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.1b340dfe.29cbce16@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:00:22 EST Subject: Re: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demos of Loo... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3d.1b340dfe.29cbce16_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3d.1b340dfe.29cbce16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/20/02 9:31:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: > I have a lot of video footage from Loopstock I in San Luis Obispo and I am > also willing to do the video shooting of looping demonstrations or > workshops. papa dave!.....your camera was never off at Loopstock l..... what do you have in mind for this body of work? whatever it is, i want a copy.....we can only hope and pray that there will be videos of "looping demonstrations or workshops" in the future.....michael k --part1_3d.1b340dfe.29cbce16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/20/02 9:31:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, papadave55@hotmail.com writes:


I have a lot of video footage from Loopstock I in San Luis Obispo and I am also willing to do the video shooting of  looping demonstrations or workshops. 


papa dave!.....your camera was never off at Loopstock l..... what do you have in mind for this body of work? whatever it is, i want a copy.....we can only hope and pray that there will be videos of "looping demonstrations or workshops" in the future.....michael k --part1_3d.1b340dfe.29cbce16_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 19:44:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29947; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:41:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:41:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C97C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: l. stinkbug (in l.a.) . . . small web blurbs/gig spam reminder Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:40:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D13A.365C94F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D13A.365C94F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" so . . . l. stinkbug has few reviewish sorta things and some press sorta almost review-things that i'm gonna spam ya with . . . perhaps it'll be of interest in the way of sharing . . . stig ***Formed in 1997 by guitarist G.E. Stinson with bassist Steuart Liebig and guitarist Nels Cline, L. Stinkbug consciously chose to complete their line-up with a drummer who could groove-- percussionist Scott Amendola. Both Stinson and Cline prepare their guitars with an assortment of springs, toys, paint brushes, an electric drink stirrer, enough clips to make a beautician queasy, an egg whisk (that's right-- an egg whisk) and numerous other custom-made objects, and run them through a variety of effects, harmonizers and looping devices; same goes for Liebig - chopsticks between the strings, looping devices, extended technique, the works. L. Stinkbug traffics in "instant compositions" packed with dynamics, textures and virtuosity. The Allure of Roadside Curios opens with an electro-orchestral prelude worthy of Sonic Youth on an exceptional night, building to a roaring, Boredoms-like overture that capsizes into some heavy grind familiar to fans of Lark's Tongue in Aspic-era King Crimson. Yet throughout the album's four tracks (plus a secret fifth one), all recorded live at Bruno's in San Francisco, the quartet's unpitched, heavily electronically altered wakajawaka sprawls like a spacy, permafrost delta in which an electric Miles Davis influence lurks at all times. Because everyone in L.Stinkbug is involved with numerous other groups, they play together in this configuration infrequently and never tour (their handful of live appearances to date have occurred solely in California - Los Angeles, Ventura, San Francisco, and Berkeley). The Allure of Roadside Curios is a rare opportunity to hear world-class improvisors together at their best. http://www.midheaven.com/artists/l.stinkbug.html L. STINKBUG [NELS CLINE - G.E. STINSON - STEUART LIEBIG - SCOTT AMENDOLA] - The Allure of Roadside Curios (Starlight Furniture 16) Two of LA's finest electric out/jazz/improv guitarists (Nels & G.E.) combine forces with the phenomenal west coast rhythm team of bassist extraordinaire Steuart Liebig and groovin'-to-free wonder drummer Scott Amendola! Brain-blasting improvisations for adventurous listeners like you and me! http://www.dtmgallery.com/ L. Stinkbug at Rocco. L. Stinkbug should be the soundtrack to the TV news. Nothing else expresses nausea du monde with the same pain, anger and electronic permeation. Nowhere else will you find two guitarists and a bassist like G.E. Stinson, Nels Cline and Steuart Liebig, with the phalangeal dexterity, the collective connectivity and the trunkload of vintage burp boxes appropriate to artful representation of the cosmic vomit. And rarely will you encounter a drummer like Scott Amendola who can both get down with the splatter and groove with dinosaur relentlessness. The four are taking a moment from their many other projects - none of which rises to quite this, uh, rank - to celebrate the release of The Allure of Roadside Curios (on Starlight Records, recorded live and bleeding). This show's an ideal date destination, if you're dating Godzilla. (Greg Burk, LA Weekly) New Times Critic's Choice Stinkonia: Leave it to guitarist Nels Cline and G.E. Stinson and bassist Steuart Liebig to share a band with such an odius name as L. Stinkbug. Live improvisation is what this outfit's all about, and with blobs of sound that can congeal - like globules in a lava lamp - Stinkbug can be nothing less that sonically heinous. It's an occasional band with the three in LA. and drummer Scott Amendola in San Francisco, so their several year history is fitful. Maybe that keeps the music fresh. The band has a free-range policy toward form (no Foster Farms musicians here), so the music may involve anything from lush soundscapes to Amageddon-in-a-box. While standard jazz improv is not entirely out of the question, don't hold your breath waiting for it. Fuzz boxes and delay loops (even from the drums!) are much in evidence and the traditional instrument roles are often blurred. These guys are all over the map so be ready for anything. Sat., March 23, at Rocco, 6320 Santa Monica Blvd., Hollywood. -Kirk Silsbee, Los Angeles New Times ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D13A.365C94F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable l. stinkbug (in l.a.) . . . small web blurbs/gig spam = reminder

so  . . .
l. stinkbug has few = reviewish sorta things and some press sorta almost review-things that = i'm gonna spam ya with . . . perhaps it'll be of interest in the way of = sharing . . .

stig

***Formed in 1997 by = guitarist G.E. Stinson with bassist Steuart Liebig and guitarist Nels = Cline, L. Stinkbug consciously chose to complete their line-up with a = drummer who could groove-- percussionist Scott Amendola. Both Stinson = and Cline prepare their guitars with an assortment of springs, toys, = paint brushes, an electric drink stirrer, enough clips to make a = beautician queasy, an egg whisk (that's right-- an egg whisk) and = numerous other custom-made objects, and run them through a variety of = effects, harmonizers and looping devices; same goes for Liebig - = chopsticks between the strings, looping devices, extended technique, = the works.

L. Stinkbug traffics in = "instant compositions" packed with dynamics, textures and = virtuosity. The Allure of Roadside Curios opens with an = electro-orchestral prelude worthy of Sonic Youth on an exceptional = night, building to a roaring, Boredoms-like overture that capsizes into = some heavy grind familiar to fans of Lark's Tongue in Aspic-era King = Crimson. Yet throughout the album's four tracks (plus a secret fifth = one), all recorded live at Bruno's in San Francisco, the quartet's = unpitched, heavily electronically altered wakajawaka sprawls like a = spacy, permafrost delta in which an electric Miles Davis influence = lurks at all times.

Because everyone in = L.Stinkbug is involved with numerous other groups, they play together = in this configuration infrequently and never tour (their handful of = live appearances to date have occurred solely in California - Los = Angeles, Ventura, San Francisco, and Berkeley). The Allure of Roadside = Curios is a rare opportunity to hear world-class improvisors together = at their best.

http://www.midheaven.com/artists/l.stinkbug.html

L. STINKBUG [NELS CLINE - = G.E. STINSON - STEUART LIEBIG - SCOTT AMENDOLA] - The Allure of = Roadside Curios (Starlight Furniture 16) Two of LA's finest electric = out/jazz/improv guitarists (Nels & G.E.) combine forces with the = phenomenal west coast rhythm team of bassist extraordinaire Steuart = Liebig and groovin'-to-free wonder drummer Scott Amendola! = Brain-blasting improvisations for adventurous listeners like you and = me!

http://www.dtmgallery.com/


L. Stinkbug at Rocco.
L. Stinkbug should be the = soundtrack to the TV news. Nothing else expresses nausea du monde with = the same pain, anger and electronic permeation. Nowhere else will you = find two guitarists and a bassist like G.E. Stinson, Nels Cline and = Steuart Liebig, with the phalangeal dexterity, the collective = connectivity and the trunkload of vintage burp boxes appropriate to = artful representation of the cosmic vomit. And rarely will you = encounter a drummer like Scott Amendola who can both get down with the = splatter and groove with dinosaur relentlessness. The four are taking a = moment from their many other projects - none of which rises to quite = this, uh, rank - to celebrate the release of The Allure of Roadside = Curios (on Starlight Records, recorded live and bleeding). This show's = an ideal date destination, if you're dating Godzilla.

(Greg Burk, LA = Weekly)

New Times
Critic's Choice
Stinkonia: Leave it to = guitarist Nels Cline and G.E. Stinson and bassist Steuart Liebig to = share a band with such an odius name as L. Stinkbug.  Live = improvisation is what this outfit's all about, and with blobs of sound = that can congeal - like globules in a lava lamp - Stinkbug can be = nothing less that sonically heinous.  It's an occasional band with = the three in LA. and drummer Scott Amendola in San Francisco, so their = several year history is fitful.  Maybe that keeps the music = fresh.  The band has a free-range policy toward form (no Foster = Farms musicians here), so the music may involve anything from lush = soundscapes to Amageddon-in-a-box.  While standard jazz improv is = not entirely out of the question, don't hold your breath waiting for = it. Fuzz boxes and delay loops (even from the drums!) are much in = evidence and the traditional instrument roles are often blurred.  = These guys are all over the map so be ready for anything.  Sat., = March 23, at Rocco, 6320 Santa Monica Blvd., Hollywood.

-Kirk Silsbee, Los Angeles = New Times


------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D13A.365C94F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 20:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32500; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:13:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:13:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C97C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C97C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:09:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: l. stinkbug (in l.a.) . . . small web blurbs/gig spam reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1195363125==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1195363125==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Steuart, thanks. my question would be why music reviews in the Weekly (both LA and OC versions) have to come across as so much 'better than thou'? Of all the reviews, the LA Weekly one stands out as someone who's trying to talk as much about themselves as the band they are reviewing, painting their narrow interpretation with childlike glee... just my silly ol' opinion, though. normally, i like reading music reviews, as a resource to check out new stuff. with the OC weekly specifically, however, i've becomed so disgusted, i've stopped reading 'em. i will go on record as saying that OC Weekly's Buddy Seigal is a big ol' a-hole, worthy of the Wynton Marsallis award if anybody is... >artful representation of the cosmic vomit. maybe this one was 4 cents of opinion, (two too much? i should be a critic!) best, rich --============_-1195363125==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: l. stinkbug (in l.a.) . . . small web blurbs/gig
Steuart,

thanks.

my question would be why music reviews in the Weekly (both LA and OC versions) have to come across as so much 'better than thou'?  Of all the reviews, the LA Weekly one stands out as someone who's trying to talk as much about themselves  as the band they are reviewing, painting their narrow interpretation with childlike glee...

just my silly ol' opinion, though.  normally, i like reading music reviews, as a resource to check out new stuff.  with the OC weekly specifically, however, i've becomed so disgusted, i've stopped reading 'em.

i will go on record as saying that OC Weekly's Buddy Seigal is a big ol' a-hole, worthy of the Wynton Marsallis award if anybody is...


artful representation of the cosmic vomit.

maybe this one was 4 cents of opinion, (two too much?  i should be a critic!)

best,

rich


--============_-1195363125==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 20:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00419; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:19:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:15:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: very OT: akai phaser blowout... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopaz, hmmm....rich definitely has too much time on his hands this evening. anywho... thought some of ya might be interested in this tasty price: AKAI P1 INTELLIPHASE PHASER PEDAL (Item 153052) - SAVE OVER 73%! List Price: $149.00 - Regular Price: $119.99 WE'RE BLOWING THEM OUT FOR ONLY $39.99! Price is good while supplies last! Click here for more information on Akai P1: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/j.pl/6024814 best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 20:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00900; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:25:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:25:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321165706.00a21640@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:22:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Re: DL4 problem In-Reply-To: <037f01c1d10e$24cdf7f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321105921.02573960@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2053520==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_2053520==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:25 AM 3/21/02, you wrote: >Hi Tom! >Here's some stupid suggestions 'cause you've probably already thought of >these, but anyway... Hi Dennis! Don't count on it, I'm just a dumb tuba player. >What happens when you try a different Mackie channel? Same thing, and I'm back to that weird (split, actually) tone - even on the new 1202 VLZ PRO I just came back from the store with...at least with the Hosa insert (send/return cables ARE synonymous with insert cables, right?) cable. Funny thing, I don't get that tone with the Monster version (I'm probably repeating myself here), but no sound or levels to other effects running through sends & returns. Before leaving for the store, I suddenly was able to loop with either of the two DL4s, no buzz/tone - sound of the loops were very faint though. I decided it must be the mixer. >What happens when you patch the DL-4 into/out-of aux or effect send/returns >instead of using the insert? I think I tried this yesterday, but let's give it a go...same thing - it's a perfect fifth, E-B. >What happens when you substitute another unit (non DL-4) for the DL-4? (You >could even use a plain wire.) None of the other units cause this to happen >I suspect a fault in the mixer since you've changed everything else. So did I until I brought this new one home...and apart from being completely un-adept at the EDP, I thought (a week ago) that this was a positive occurrence, so as to wean me from my 'training wheels' (the DL4), but when I've been able to loop to any degree whatsoever with the EDP, I invariably hit a point where - THWACK!! - EVERYthing is in the red. Any other takers? Tom >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tom Heasley >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:09 PM >Subject: DL4 problem > > >Maybe someone has an idea about this...I've had the DL4 running problem-free >for going on two years now. Always connected the same way - Hosa insert >patch cable (1) connected from the L input/L output to the channel 1 (same >channel as my clip-on mic) insert on my Mackie 1202. Recently, I was >getting a tone (registering as a high D# on my tuner) generated thru the >system, which I was able to trace to the DL4. I put in an different Hosa >cable and the sound got slightly louder. I have a performance this Friday, >so I went and bought another DL4, adapter and a Monster patch cable - same >thing, except that now - regardless of which unit or cable - tone generation >seems to be intermittent (?...), but putting an insert in the Mackie jack >'deadens' the mixer - no levels on my effects with it plugged in exactly >where it has always been. Anyone have any idea? > >Tom Heasley > > >Tom Heasley >Composer/Tubist >427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 >P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 >http://www.hypnos.com/heasley >http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley >www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi >http://kalvos.org/heasley.html Tom Heasley Composer/Tubist 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 http://www.hypnos.com/heasley http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://kalvos.org/heasley.html --=====================_2053520==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:25 AM 3/21/02, you wrote:
Hi Tom!
Here's some stupid suggestions 'cause you've probably already thought of
these, but anyway...

Hi Dennis!

Don't count on it, I'm just a dumb tuba player.

What happens when you try a different Mackie channel?

Same thing, and I'm back to that weird (split, actually) tone - even on the new 1202 VLZ PRO I just came back from the store with...at least with the Hosa insert (send/return cables ARE synonymous with insert cables, right?) cable.  Funny thing, I don't get that tone with the Monster version (I'm probably repeating myself here), but no sound or levels to other effects running through sends & returns.

Before leaving for the store, I suddenly was able to loop with either of the two DL4s, no buzz/tone - sound of the loops were very faint though.  I decided it must be the mixer.

What happens when you patch the DL-4 into/out-of aux or effect send/returns
instead of using the insert?

I think I tried this yesterday, but let's give it a go...same thing - it's a perfect fifth, E-B.

What happens when you substitute another unit (non DL-4) for the DL-4?  (You
could even use a plain wire.)

None of the other units cause this to happen

I suspect a fault in the mixer since you've changed everything else.

So did I until I brought this new one home...and apart from being completely un-adept at the EDP, I thought (a week ago) that this was a positive occurrence, so as to wean me from my 'training wheels' (the DL4), but when I've been able to loop to any degree whatsoever with the EDP, I invariably hit a point where - THWACK!! - EVERYthing is in the red.

Any other takers?

Tom


Dennis Leas
-------------------
dennis@mdbs.com


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Heasley
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: DL4 problem


Maybe someone has an idea about this...I've had the DL4 running problem-free
for going on two years now.  Always connected the same way - Hosa insert
patch cable (1) connected from the L input/L output to the channel 1 (same
channel as my clip-on mic) insert on my Mackie 1202.  Recently, I was
getting a tone (registering as a high D# on my tuner) generated thru the
system, which I was able to trace to the DL4.  I put in an different Hosa
cable and the sound got slightly louder.  I have a performance this Friday,
so I went and bought another DL4, adapter and a Monster patch cable - same
thing, except that now - regardless of which unit or cable - tone generation
seems to be intermittent (?...), but putting an insert in the Mackie jack
'deadens' the mixer - no levels on my effects with it plugged in exactly
where it has always been.  Anyone have any idea?

Tom Heasley


Tom Heasley
Composer/Tubist
427 Alma St., Suite 206         Palo Alto, CA  94301
P:  650.322.3633                F:  419.831.3809
http://www.hypnos.com/heasley
http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi
http://kalvos.org/heasley.html


Tom Heasley
Composer/Tubist
427 Alma St., Suite 206         Palo Alto, CA  94301
P:  650.322.3633                F:  419.831.3809
http://www.hypnos.com/heasley
http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi
http://kalvos.org/heasley.html

 --=====================_2053520==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 21:08:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04052; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:06:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:06:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:55:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >---------------------------------------------------- > > Now, to Per, I was going to say: "Since you have a new EDP, if you >> buy a 10k Bourns potentiometer you are fine, since those are probably >> 5 or 10% tolerated." >> But then you said that you are happy with a 250k pedal?? Probably a >> log, but even then... > >Well, I should have written down the specs of that pot... Only remember it >said "250 something". But it's the usual ones used as volume pot for >Stratocasters. And it's working fine for feedback control of the EDP. "something" may say logarithmic, which is the correct caracteristic for a volume. If so, the value in middle position should be arround 20k. If the pedal is of the ones that dont turn the pot all the way up, this may coincidentally fix the range for you... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 21:28:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05652; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:27:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:27:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321181955.05241008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:23:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And just for the record, to make certain this is absolutely clear: I pretty much never drink herbal tea. kim At 04:16 PM 3/21/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: >they are laughing at us now, Kim! >> and you're being serious here? i'm just trying to picture you and >> Matthias, sitting around, maybe over a cup of herbal tea, saying > >this is not real. I rushed into his ofice and said angy: "so you say on >the list that I am wrong while I can show you with the multimeter...!" ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 21:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06947; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:56:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:56:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013401c1d14c$ad299df0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020321181955.05241008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:52:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll vouch for that. Matthias and I and Steve Rice were drinking herbal tea the morning after Loopstock, and when I offered Kim a cup, he sternly refused. "No thanks" is what I think he said. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:23 PM Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals > And just for the record, to make certain this is absolutely clear: > > I pretty much never drink herbal tea. > > kim > > At 04:16 PM 3/21/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: > >they are laughing at us now, Kim! > >> and you're being serious here? i'm just trying to picture you and > >> Matthias, sitting around, maybe over a cup of herbal tea, saying > > > >this is not real. I rushed into his ofice and said angy: "so you say on > >the list that I am wrong while I can show you with the multimeter...!" > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 21 22:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08550; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:06:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:06:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c1d14f$399e9400$16944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:11:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA08510 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, but don't forget they're doing wonders these days with single-malt herbal teas ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Hans Lindauer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals >I'll vouch for that. Matthias and I and Steve Rice were drinking herbal tea >the morning after Loopstock, and when I offered Kim a cup, he sternly >refused. "No thanks" is what I think he said. > >-Hans > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kim Flint" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:23 PM >Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals > > >> And just for the record, to make certain this is absolutely clear: >> >> I pretty much never drink herbal tea. >> >> kim >> >> At 04:16 PM 3/21/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >they are laughing at us now, Kim! >> >> and you're being serious here? i'm just trying to picture you and >> >> Matthias, sitting around, maybe over a cup of herbal tea, saying >> > >> >this is not real. I rushed into his ofice and said angy: "so you say on >> >the list that I am wrong while I can show you with the multimeter...!" >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 00:27:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15636; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:26:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:26:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019901c1d161$99dcecb0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321105921.02573960@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020321165706.00a21640@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: DL4 problem Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:22:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0196_01C1D11E.8B5FA5D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4xqfQD.A.4zD.kBsm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0196_01C1D11E.8B5FA5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom- I'm perplexed about this buzzing problem. Did you use the same power = supply with both DL4's? It sounds like you've tried just about = everything else. The only other thing that I can think of, is that = maybe you've got a feedback loop going somehow - that will cause a = high-pitched tone, although it doesn't seem a likely culprit. If you = have a barrel connector, try connecting the send straight back to the = return, and see what happens. Regarding overloading your EDP: I used to have that problem a lot, = especially with low-frequency signals. Then I realized that the EDP = simply doesn't have as much headroom as the Mackie, so I did two things: = (1). I turned all of my levels down, so that I was no longer peaking = out at +10dB, but rather at unity if possible. (2) I turned the EDP's = input down a little and then boosted its return channel into the Mackie = a little bit to compensate. This won't do wonders for your = signal-to-noise ratio, but neither will clipping. When the red light goes on, things do tend to get ugly. You can hit = UNDO as soon as you get distortion to keep the crunch from looping, and = then back off the feedback a little bit to let the levels settle down to = a manageable level. With your tuba, I'm sure that you must get big = pileups of waveforms, which are maxing out the looped signal. I believe = that the EDP software automatically cuts the looped signal somewhat = whenever you overdub, but it may not be enough when we're talking about = Big Bass Waves. You may need to keep the feedback rolled off a hare to = keep things under control when you're overdubbing a lot of low notes. = If you're using a MIDI pedal to control the EDP, you could theoretically = assign two pedals to the overdub function: one regular for higher = notes, and a second one that lowers the feedback while it's pressed down = for the brown-tone drones. Good luck, -Hans ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Heasley=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: DL4 problem=20 At 11:25 AM 3/21/02, you wrote: Hi Tom! Here's some stupid suggestions 'cause you've probably already = thought of these, but anyway... Hi Dennis! Don't count on it, I'm just a dumb tuba player. What happens when you try a different Mackie channel? Same thing, and I'm back to that weird (split, actually) tone - even = on the new 1202 VLZ PRO I just came back from the store with...at least = with the Hosa insert (send/return cables ARE synonymous with insert = cables, right?) cable. Funny thing, I don't get that tone with the = Monster version (I'm probably repeating myself here), but no sound or = levels to other effects running through sends & returns. Before leaving for the store, I suddenly was able to loop with either = of the two DL4s, no buzz/tone - sound of the loops were very faint = though. I decided it must be the mixer. What happens when you patch the DL-4 into/out-of aux or effect = send/returns instead of using the insert? I think I tried this yesterday, but let's give it a go...same thing - = it's a perfect fifth, E-B. What happens when you substitute another unit (non DL-4) for the = DL-4? (You could even use a plain wire.) None of the other units cause this to happen I suspect a fault in the mixer since you've changed everything else. So did I until I brought this new one home...and apart from being = completely un-adept at the EDP, I thought (a week ago) that this was a = positive occurrence, so as to wean me from my 'training wheels' (the = DL4), but when I've been able to loop to any degree whatsoever with the = EDP, I invariably hit a point where - THWACK!! - EVERYthing is in the = red.=20 Any other takers? Tom Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Heasley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: DL4 problem Maybe someone has an idea about this...I've had the DL4 running = problem-free for going on two years now. Always connected the same way - Hosa = insert patch cable (1) connected from the L input/L output to the channel 1 = (same channel as my clip-on mic) insert on my Mackie 1202. Recently, I = was getting a tone (registering as a high D# on my tuner) generated thru = the system, which I was able to trace to the DL4. I put in an different = Hosa cable and the sound got slightly louder. I have a performance this = Friday, so I went and bought another DL4, adapter and a Monster patch cable = - same thing, except that now - regardless of which unit or cable - tone = generation seems to be intermittent (?...), but putting an insert in the Mackie = jack 'deadens' the mixer - no levels on my effects with it plugged in = exactly where it has always been. Anyone have any idea? Tom Heasley Tom Heasley Composer/Tubist 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 http://www.hypnos.com/heasley http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://kalvos.org/heasley.html Tom Heasley Composer/Tubist 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 http://www.hypnos.com/heasley http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://kalvos.org/heasley.html ------=_NextPart_000_0196_01C1D11E.8B5FA5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Tom-
 
I'm perplexed about this buzzing problem.  Did = you use=20 the same power supply with both DL4's?  It sounds like you've tried = just=20 about everything else.  The only other thing = that I can=20 think of, is that maybe you've got a feedback loop going somehow - that = will=20 cause a high-pitched tone, although it doesn't seem a likely = culprit. =20 If you have a barrel connector, try connecting the send straight back to = the=20 return, and see what happens.
 
Regarding overloading your EDP: I used to have that = problem a=20 lot, especially with low-frequency signals.  Then I realized that = the EDP=20 simply doesn't have as much headroom as the Mackie, so I did two = things: =20 (1). I turned all of my levels down, so that I was no longer peaking out = at=20 +10dB, but rather at unity if possible.  (2) I turned the = EDP's input=20 down a little and then boosted its return channel into = the Mackie a=20 little bit to compensate.  This won't do wonders for your = signal-to-noise=20 ratio, but neither will clipping.
 
When the red light goes on, things do tend to get = ugly. =20 You can hit UNDO as soon as you get distortion to keep the crunch from = looping,=20 and then back off the feedback a little bit to let the levels = settle=20 down to a manageable level.  With your tuba, I'm sure that you must = get big=20 pileups of waveforms, which are maxing out the looped signal.  I = believe=20 that the EDP software automatically cuts the looped signal somewhat = whenever you=20 overdub, but it may not be enough when we're talking about Big Bass = Waves. =20 You may need to keep the feedback rolled off a hare to keep things under = control when you're overdubbing a lot of low notes.  If you're = using a=20 MIDI pedal to control the EDP, you could theoretically assign two pedals = to=20 the overdub function:  one regular for higher notes, and a = second one=20 that lowers the feedback while it's pressed down for the brown-tone=20 drones.
 
Good luck,
 
-Hans
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Heasley=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 = 5:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: DL4 problem

At 11:25 AM 3/21/02, you wrote:
Hi Tom!
Here's = some stupid=20 suggestions 'cause you've probably already thought of
these, but=20 anyway...

Hi Dennis!

Don't count on it, I'm = just a dumb=20 tuba player.

What happens when you = try a=20 different Mackie channel?

Same thing, and I'm back = to that=20 weird (split, actually) tone - even on the new 1202 VLZ PRO I just = came back=20 from the store with...at least with the Hosa insert (send/return = cables ARE=20 synonymous with insert cables, right?) cable.  Funny thing, I = don't get=20 that tone with the Monster version (I'm probably repeating myself = here), but=20 no sound or levels to other effects running through sends &=20 returns.

Before leaving for the store, I suddenly was able to = loop with=20 either of the two DL4s, no buzz/tone - sound of the loops were very = faint=20 though.  I decided it must be the mixer.

What happens when you = patch the=20 DL-4 into/out-of aux or effect send/returns
instead of using the=20 insert?

I think I tried this yesterday, but let's give = it a=20 go...same thing - it's a perfect fifth, E-B.

What happens when you = substitute=20 another unit (non DL-4) for the DL-4?  (You
could even use a = plain=20 wire.)

None of the other units cause this to = happen

I suspect a fault in = the mixer=20 since you've changed everything else.

So did I until = I brought=20 this new one home...and apart from being completely un-adept at the = EDP, I=20 thought (a week ago) that this was a positive occurrence, so as to = wean me=20 from my 'training wheels' (the DL4), but when I've been able to loop = to any=20 degree whatsoever with the EDP, I invariably hit a point where - = THWACK!! -=20 EVERYthing is in the red.

Any other = takers?

Tom


Dennis=20 Leas
-------------------
dennis@mdbs.com


----- = Original=20 Message -----
From: Tom Heasley
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, March 21, = 2002 2:09=20 PM
Subject: DL4 problem


Maybe someone has an idea = about=20 this...I've had the DL4 running problem-free
for going on two = years=20 now.  Always connected the same way - Hosa insert
patch = cable (1)=20 connected from the L input/L output to the channel 1 = (same
channel as my=20 clip-on mic) insert on my Mackie 1202.  Recently, I = was
getting a=20 tone (registering as a high D# on my tuner) generated thru = the
system,=20 which I was able to trace to the DL4.  I put in an different=20 Hosa
cable and the sound got slightly louder.  I have a = performance=20 this Friday,
so I went and bought another DL4, adapter and a = Monster=20 patch cable - same
thing, except that now - regardless of which = unit or=20 cable - tone generation
seems to be intermittent (?...), but = putting an=20 insert in the Mackie jack
'deadens' the mixer - no levels on my = effects=20 with it plugged in exactly
where it has always been.  Anyone = have=20 any idea?

Tom Heasley


Tom=20 Heasley
Composer/Tubist
427 Alma St., Suite=20 206         Palo Alto, = CA =20 94301
P: =20 = 650.322.3633          &= nbsp;    =20 F:  419.831.3809
http://www.hypnos.com/heasley
http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi
http://kalvos.org/heasley.html


Tom=20 Heasley
Composer/Tubist
427 Alma St., Suite=20 206   =       Palo Alto,=20 CA  94301
P: =20 = 650.322.3633                F: = =20 419.831.3809
http://www.hypnos.com/heasley
http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi
http://kalvos.org/heasley.html

<= /P> ------=_NextPart_000_0196_01C1D11E.8B5FA5D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 01:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19699; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:30:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:30:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:30:42 +0000 Subject: Kim's taste in tea? From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <96q4UB.A.ZzE.D-sm8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'll vouch for that. Matthias and I and Steve Rice were drinking herbal tea >the morning after Loopstock, and when I offered Kim a cup, he sternly >refused. "No thanks" is what I think he said. you 'think' that's what he said???? this is going in the archives and you dare to post such spurious unsubstantiated stuff about he-who-must-be-obeyed???? If I was Kim I'd have my lawyers onto you by now... and I thought the British tabloid press were bad for mis-quoting people... :o) Steve (who is rather partial to a fruit tea now and then) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 02:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23095; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:28:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:28:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <009e01c1d173$18668260$f20bc5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: Subject: Re: Music Critics Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:27:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01C1D138.677243C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C1D138.677243C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heh. Well, there really have been to many instances where the only way to = interpret the phrase "rock critic" is as "pretentious fucker." Skewering my bretheren is periodically required. Have to weed out the = sheep and ship out the weed. David Part-Time Pretentious Fucker ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C1D138.677243C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Heh.
 
Well, there really have been to many = instances=20 where the only way to interpret the phrase "rock critic" is as = "pretentious=20 fucker."
 
Skewering my bretheren is periodically=20 required.  Have to weed out the sheep and ship out the = weed.
 
David
Part-Time Pretentious=20 Fucker
------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C1D138.677243C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 03:57:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26368; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:56:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:56:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c1d216$aac909e0$4c8131d2@oemcomputer> From: "cameron street" To: References: Subject: DL4 distortion problems part3 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:57:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [Part 2 was'nt delivered, i guess, cause i used the f word] I have 2 DL4's, The new one distorts in the top end, Tried them both separatley, with different power supply's, with and with out batteries. the new one clearly distorts in the top end! With no effects, straight through , dry. Tried lowering the gain into the unit, no difference. Sent it back for a service, locally. but i'm in australia. Do LINE6 tack units back for repair, are they cool? cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 04:32:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30639; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:30:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:30:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01bb01c1d183$b30429c0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <005501c1d216$aac909e0$4c8131d2@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: DL4 distortion problems part3 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:26:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In my opinion, they're cool. My only experience with them has been through a partnership between my company (the one I work for, that is) and theirs, but they've taken very good care of us. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't treat paying customers just as well. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "cameron street" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: DL4 distortion problems part3 > [Part 2 was'nt delivered, i guess, cause i used the f word] > > I have 2 DL4's, The new one distorts in the top end, > Tried them both separatley, with different power supply's, > with and with out batteries. > the new one clearly distorts in the top end! > With no effects, straight through , dry. > Tried lowering the gain into the unit, no difference. > Sent it back for a service, locally. but i'm in australia. > Do LINE6 tack units back for repair, are they cool? > cam > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 05:23:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01239; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:22:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:22:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d401c1d18a$ed3637d0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: Subject: Re: Kim's taste in tea? Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:18:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. Lawson, Well, unfortunately nobody was shooting video at that moment, and my memory is kind of hazy with only a few hours' sleep the nights before, so instead of making it sound like I knew exactly what I was talking about, I made tried to make it quite clear that I only think I knew approximately what I was talking about. OK, so maybe I'm just a big fat liar. I am sure that I offered everyone who was upstairs at that moment some tea, and I'm also positive that I got some replies, both positive and negative, and furthermore I'm sure that I drank some tea and so did Matthias, and probably Steve Rice, and maybe even one or two others - there were quite a few cups in the dish drainer after everyone had gone - but I'm not sure that Kim was even in the room at that time. I just thought it would make a funny story, and I didn't think anybody was going to bust my chops about it. I don't even know if it was actually herbal tea that we were drinking - it was a sampler box that my mom had brought me during a visit, and I just grabbed the packs out without looking. It may even have been fruit tea, for all I know. But I do remember very clearly that Kim didn't drink any of the tea, herbal or not, because I considered offering him some whiskey instead but I didn't want to offend him that morning with a tumbler of Kentucky bourbon aged only nine years, knowing good and well from past discussions in this forum that he prefers 'whiskys' from your general neighborhood, so there. :) -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Kim's taste in tea? > > >I'll vouch for that. Matthias and I and Steve Rice were drinking herbal tea > >the morning after Loopstock, and when I offered Kim a cup, he sternly > >refused. "No thanks" is what I think he said. > > you 'think' that's what he said???? this is going in the archives and you > dare to post such spurious unsubstantiated stuff about > he-who-must-be-obeyed???? If I was Kim I'd have my lawyers onto you by > now... and I thought the British tabloid press were bad for mis-quoting > people... > > :o) > > Steve > (who is rather partial to a fruit tea now and then) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 06:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04331; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:05:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:05:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9B1124.E77B2251@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:10:28 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very OT: akai phaser blowout... References: <200203220527.AAA15868@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone recommend this pedal? (or not) Thanks, Elby > > AKAI P1 INTELLIPHASE PHASER PEDAL (Item 153052) - SAVE OVER 73%! > List Price: $149.00 - Regular Price: $119.99 > WE'RE BLOWING THEM OUT FOR ONLY $39.99! > Price is good while supplies last! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 08:51:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12253; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:50:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:50:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Stuff for sale Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:50:03 -0600 Message-ID: <002301c1d1a8$77f4d710$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3C9B1124.E77B2251@cloud9.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am thinking of putting up the following items for sale on ebay but thought I would offer to those here first. Proteus 2000 with Protozoa card (which includes the Proteus 1, 2 & 3). Racked only in non-smoking studio and is up to date with the latest OS upgrade from EMU. It's a great synth/rompler for wind control (I'll even leave my programmed wind patches on it to use as an example) and in many respects is even more responsive than my Roland JV1010. I have all the manuals, etc. to go with it. Even the box for the Protozoa! The street price is around $950, but I am asking $750 (plus s&h). MOTU 1224 Expansion Unit (means it doesn't include the PCI-324 card). A 24 bit computer based digital audio harddisk recording unit for Mac or Windows. The analog to digital converters are some of the best that MOTU makes and are comparable to some higher end units out there. I only used this for one recording project and the quality is incredible. I have all the original manuals, etc. and like the P2K has been racked in a non-smoking studio. The street price is approximately $875, and I am asking only $650 (plus s&h). Peavy CS 400 Stereo Power Amp. Peavy doesn't even make this power range anymore. They only make the 200 and the 800 with nothing in between. This amp is rock solid and weighs about 50 pounds. It is 3 rack spaces and can be configured as a stereo 200 w/ch, or mono 400 w amp. If you don't know anything about these amps, they are most often used in major shows such as rock concerts because of their durability. At Sam Ash, the CS800X sells for $639 and the CS200 sells for $369 so I think that asking $350 (plus s&h) is a pretty fair price. Please let me know OFF LIST if anyone is interested. Thanks, Steve Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 09:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14149; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:08:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <044001c1d1aa$ebb92730$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020321181645.BC49F3940FE@fastmail.fm> <3C9A421D.CA91E580@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Fw: Soundart Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:07:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Something that can do everything can be curiously close to something that does nothing. > > franky, this sounds like a nightmare to me. Sounds like a computer to me. It can "do everything", but many times "does nothing" that you want it to. And it can truly be a nightmare. But yeah, the Chameleon looks pretty intriguing! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: "loopers" Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Soundart > Something that can do everything can be curiously close to something that does nothing. > > franky, this sounds like a nightmare to me. > > Mark > > Jazwell Wankerl wrote: > > > Thought this might be interesting to the programmers out there. Potential looping device? Maybe just general sonic mayhem... > > > > For Immediate Release. > > > > Soundart Unveils the Chameleon at the 2002 Frankfurt > > Musik Messe. . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 10:13:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18069; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:10:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:10:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c1d1b3$97efa260$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020321181645.BC49F3940FE@fastmail.fm> <3C9A421D.CA91E580@zerocrossing.net> <044001c1d1aa$ebb92730$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Fw: Soundart Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:09:40 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It also sounds just about like people on any given day! ["Batman" TV Announcer Voice] What's THIS?? Is SOMEone trying to sell CYBORGS to musicians? Beeee with us next time, saaaaaaaaaaame Loop time, saaaaaaaaaaaame Loop Newsletter! "Dennis Leas" commented: > > Something that can do everything can be curiously close to something that > does nothing. > > > > franky, this sounds like a nightmare to me. > > Sounds like a computer to me. It can "do everything", but many times "does > nothing" that you want it to. And it can truly be a nightmare. > > But yeah, the Chameleon looks pretty intriguing! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: "loopers" > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Soundart > > > > Something that can do everything can be curiously close to something that > does nothing. > > > > franky, this sounds like a nightmare to me. > > > > Mark > > > > Jazwell Wankerl wrote: > > > > > Thought this might be interesting to the programmers out there. > Potential looping device? Maybe just general sonic mayhem... > > > > > > For Immediate Release. > > > > > > Soundart Unveils the Chameleon at the 2002 Frankfurt > > > Musik Messe. > . . . > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 10:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18654; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:17:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:17:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427C9B@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Soundart Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:17:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <1ZvYjD.A.3iE.-r0m8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of cyborgs: http://217.110.99.105/en/products/virtual_guitarist/ Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: Soundart It also sounds just about like people on any given day! ["Batman" TV Announcer Voice] What's THIS?? Is SOMEone trying to sell CYBORGS to musicians? Beeee with us next time, saaaaaaaaaaame Loop time, saaaaaaaaaaaame Loop Newsletter! "Dennis Leas" commented: > > Something that can do everything can be curiously close to something that > does nothing. > > > > franky, this sounds like a nightmare to me. > > Sounds like a computer to me. It can "do everything", but many times "does > nothing" that you want it to. And it can truly be a nightmare. > > But yeah, the Chameleon looks pretty intriguing! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: "loopers" > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Soundart > > > > Something that can do everything can be curiously close to something that > does nothing. > > > > franky, this sounds like a nightmare to me. > > > > Mark > > > > Jazwell Wankerl wrote: > > > > > Thought this might be interesting to the programmers out there. > Potential looping device? Maybe just general sonic mayhem... > > > > > > For Immediate Release. > > > > > > Soundart Unveils the Chameleon at the 2002 Frankfurt > > > Musik Messe. > . . . > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 11:32:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23224; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:30:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:30:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:29:24 -0500 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 3/23: open loop continues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the lateness of this posting, issues with my server have been sucking up my time like a great vacuum cleaner. Open loop loops and continues to loop this Saturday at Chama. It's every Saturday afternoon from 1pm to 7pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d The usual crew is: David Beardsley, Harry Esq., Pedro Felix, Steve Jones, Grace Period, Tom Ritchford, Lena Strayhorn. And there are always new drop-ins. This week we'll be featuring short solo sets and duets (and of course snacks, weird books and music from Chama (home of the strangely sweet Nutmilk Chai!)) Much love to you all, see you all there. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 12:03:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26218; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:02:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:02:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c1d1c3$36e3a100$fe065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "Ambient Mailing List" , "Analogue Heaven" , "ElectronicMusic" , "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" , "Gearhead List" , "Loopers Delight" , , Cc: "Chuck van Zyl" Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] Electronic Music Concerts 2002 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:01:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Worthy of cross posting. I hope this interests you. Cheers, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Chuck van Zyl To: beyond_em@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:34 PM Subject: [beyond_em] Electronic Music Concerts 2002 >The Gathering Concert Series schedule for 2002 is now set: > >Robert Rich - 23 March >Erik Wollo - 27 April >Steve Roach/Vidna Obmana - 26 May >Rudy Adrian - 21 September >Jeff Pearce with Mike Griffin + Dave Fulton - 19 October >Ashra (Manuel Gottsching) - 16 November > >The concerts will take place in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's Hamilton >Village, 3916 Locust Walk (east of 40th & Locust) on the Penn campus in >Philadelphia, PA U S A. Please access the website for complete series details >incuding info on admission and advance ticketing: http://www.thegatherings.org > >thanks! > >-chuckv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 12:50:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28636; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:49:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:49:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C984@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Kim's taste in tea? Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:44:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1C9.40348520" Resent-Message-ID: <4apLTB.A.09G.p52m8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1C9.40348520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" isn't this where you use the time-honored "to the best of my recollection . . . "? (think oliver north testifying beofer congress . . . stig -----Original Message----- From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kim's taste in tea? Mr. Lawson, Well, unfortunately nobody was shooting video at that moment, and my memory is kind of hazy with only a few hours' sleep the nights before, so instead of making it sound like I knew exactly what I was talking about, I made tried to make it quite clear that I only think I knew approximately what I was talking about. OK, so maybe I'm just a big fat liar. I am sure that I offered everyone who was upstairs at that moment some tea, and I'm also positive that I got some replies, both positive and negative, and furthermore I'm sure that I drank some tea and so did Matthias, and probably Steve Rice, and maybe even one or two others - there were quite a few cups in the dish drainer after everyone had gone - but I'm not sure that Kim was even in the room at that time. I just thought it would make a funny story, and I didn't think anybody was going to bust my chops about it. I don't even know if it was actually herbal tea that we were drinking - it was a sampler box that my mom had brought me during a visit, and I just grabbed the packs out without looking. It may even have been fruit tea, for all I know. But I do remember very clearly that Kim didn't drink any of the tea, herbal or not, because I considered offering him some whiskey instead but I didn't want to offend him that morning with a tumbler of Kentucky bourbon aged only nine years, knowing good and well from past discussions in this forum that he prefers 'whiskys' from your general neighborhood, so there. :) -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Kim's taste in tea? > > >I'll vouch for that. Matthias and I and Steve Rice were drinking herbal tea > >the morning after Loopstock, and when I offered Kim a cup, he sternly > >refused. "No thanks" is what I think he said. > > you 'think' that's what he said???? this is going in the archives and you > dare to post such spurious unsubstantiated stuff about > he-who-must-be-obeyed???? If I was Kim I'd have my lawyers onto you by > now... and I thought the British tabloid press were bad for mis-quoting > people... > > :o) > > Steve > (who is rather partial to a fruit tea now and then) > Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1C9.40348520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Kim's taste in tea?

isn't this where you use the time-honored "to the be= st of my recollection . . . "? (think oliver north testifying beofer c= ongress . . .

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:19 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Kim's taste in tea?


Mr. Lawson,

Well, unfortunately nobody was shooting video at that mom= ent, and my
memory is kind of hazy with only a few hours' sleep the = nights before,
so instead of making it sound like I knew exactly what I= was talking
about, I made tried to make it quite clear that I only t= hink I knew
approximately what I was talking about.

OK, so maybe I'm just a big fat liar.  I am sure tha= t I offered everyone
who was upstairs at that moment some tea, and I'm also p= ositive that I
got some replies, both positive and negative, and furthe= rmore I'm sure
that I drank some tea and so did Matthias, and probably = Steve Rice, and
maybe even one or two others - there were quite a few cu= ps in the dish
drainer after everyone had gone - but I'm not sure that = Kim was even in
the room at that time.  I just thought it would mak= e a funny story, and
I didn't think anybody was going to bust my chops about = it.  I don't
even know if it was actually herbal tea that we were dri= nking - it was a
sampler box that my mom had brought me during a visit, a= nd I just
grabbed the packs out without looking.  It may even= have been fruit tea,
for all I know.  But I do remember very clearly tha= t Kim didn't drink
any of the tea, herbal or not, because I considered offe= ring him some
whiskey instead but I didn't want to offend him that mor= ning with a
tumbler of Kentucky bourbon aged only nine years, knowin= g good and well
from past discussions in this forum that he prefers 'whi= skys' from your
general neighborhood, so there. :)

-Hans


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Lawson" <steve@steve-lawson.co= .uk>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:30 PM
Subject: Kim's taste in tea?


>
> >I'll vouch for that.  Matthias and I and S= teve Rice were drinking
herbal tea
> >the morning after Loopstock, and when I offered= Kim a cup, he sternly
> >refused.  "No thanks" is what I = think he said.
>
> you 'think' that's what he said???? this is going i= n the archives and
you
> dare to post such spurious unsubstantiated stuff ab= out
> he-who-must-be-obeyed???? If I was Kim I'd have my = lawyers onto you by
> now... and I thought the British tabloid press were= bad for
mis-quoting
> people...
>
> :o)
>
> Steve
> (who is rather partial to a fruit tea now and then)=
>



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1C9.40348520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 13:47:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32426; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:46:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:46:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020322103750.00a8dd60@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:38:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: speaking of cyborgs... (was Soundart) In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427C9B@s31xe1.systems.sm u.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3XrKtB.A.L6H.Av3m8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/03/22/human.cyborg/index.html At 07:17 AM 2002/03/22, Lindsay wrote: >Speaking of cyborgs: > >http://217.110.99.105/en/products/virtual_guitarist/ > >Lindsay >sonic detritus: >left of eliot >http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- >From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] >Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:10 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Fw: Soundart > >It also sounds just about like people on any given day! > >["Batman" TV Announcer Voice] >What's THIS?? Is SOMEone trying to sell CYBORGS to musicians? > >Beeee with us next time, saaaaaaaaaaame Loop time, saaaaaaaaaaaame Loop >Newsletter! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 14:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02959; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:17:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:17:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C989@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: l. stinkbug (in l.a.) . . . small web blurbs/gig spam remind er Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:15:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1D5.EA2F9270" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1D5.EA2F9270 Content-Type: text/plain my question would be why music reviews in the Weekly (both LA and OC versions) have to come across as so much 'better than thou'? ** i don't know . . . didn't get that from these . . . just my silly ol' opinion, though. normally, i like reading music reviews, as a resource to check out new stuff. with the OC weekly specifically, however, i've becomed so disgusted, i've stopped reading 'em. i will go on record as saying that OC Weekly's Buddy Seigal is a big ol' a-hole, worthy of the Wynton Marsallis award if anybody is... ** don't have a clue about him. Of all the reviews, the LA Weekly one stands out as someone who's trying to talk as much about themselves as the band they are reviewing, painting their narrow interpretation with childlike glee... artful representation of the cosmic vomit. ** well first off, he's trying (so you can decide if he gets points for that). second off, i think that what he means is that the band has something of catharsis about it (i've had more than a few people say this after performances). to me this is actually about how the music hits him. contrast it with a pre-"review" of a gig that someone wrote that basically talked about a private conversation with one of the guys in the band about a crush said musician had on another crit's wife - - whom he had dated pre-marriage (something told in *confidence*). the music or other players were *never* mentioned . . . never. to me the weekly thing is damn near descriptive in comparison. i admit to feeling a little put off by it on first reading and then got the gist of it one second reading . . . i bounced it off of one of the other guys in l. stinkbug and he thought it was a very apt description of the emotional nature of our performances (cd is live stuff). so . . . to each his own, but a different viewpoint on it, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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my question would be why music reviews in the Weekly (both LA and OC versions) have to come across as so much 'better than thou'?   
 
** i don't know . . . didn't get that from these . . .
 
 
just my silly ol' opinion, though.  normally, i like reading music reviews, as a resource to check out new stuff.  with the OC weekly specifically, however, i've becomed so disgusted, i've stopped reading 'em.

i will go on record as saying that OC Weekly's Buddy Seigal is a big ol' a-hole, worthy of the Wynton Marsallis award if anybody is... 
 
** don't have a clue about him.  

Of all the reviews, the LA Weekly one stands out as someone who's trying to talk as much about themselves  as the band they are reviewing, painting their narrow interpretation with childlike glee... 

artful representation of the cosmic vomit. 
 

 ** well first off, he's trying (so you can decide if he gets points for that). second off, i think that what he means is that the band has something of catharsis about it (i've had more than a few people say this after performances). to me this is actually about how the music hits him. contrast it with a pre-"review" of a gig that someone wrote that basically talked about a private conversation with one of the guys in the band about a crush said musician had on another crit's wife - - whom he had dated pre-marriage (something told in *confidence*). the music or other players were *never* mentioned . . . never. to me the weekly thing is damn near descriptive in comparison. i admit to feeling a little put off by it on first reading and then got the gist of it one second reading . . . i bounced it off of one of the other guys in l. stinkbug and he thought it was a very apt description of the emotional nature of our performances (cd is live stuff).
 
so . . . to each his own, but a different viewpoint on it,
 
stig
 
 
 
 



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1D5.EA2F9270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 14:35:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03945; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:34:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:34:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:32:24 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: OT: selling my JamMan...interested? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C9B86C8.17C35028@dlcwest.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200203211823.NAA04067@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-8IDzC.A.M9.qc4m8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone else has a JamMan F/S between $100 and $200, puhh-leeeez email me! Actually, I'd consider any looping device - I've been maxing out my delay pedals and racks for years and "moving on" is way overdue. I also have a really high quality Sony R-to-R, so I'm looking for another to do the tape loop thang. Thanks, Shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 14:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04131; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:37:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:37:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9B879F.E5E3DF8A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:36:00 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Steuart Liebig References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C989@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart, I'm not sure what email client your using, but I can't begin to read your posts. It's text on text. I think your client is using DHTML, which none of my clients seem to do well with. Can you just send plain text? I bet there are a lot of us that have this issue. Mark Sottilaro "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > my question would be why music reviews in the Weekly (both > LA and OC versions) have to come across as so much 'better > than thou'? ** i don't know . . . didn't get that from these > . . . just my silly ol' opinion, though. normally, i like > reading music reviews, as a resource to check out new > stuff. with the OC weekly specifically, however, i've > becomed so disgusted, i've stopped reading 'em. i will go on > record as saying that OC Weekly's Buddy Seigal is a big ol' > a-hole, worthy of the Wynton Marsallis award if anybody > is...** don't have a clue about him. Of all the reviews, > the LA Weekly one stands out as someone who's trying to talk > as much about themselves as the band they are reviewing, > painting their narrow interpretation with childlike glee... > > > > artful representation of the cosmic vomit. > > ** well first off, he's trying (so you can decide if he > gets points for that). second off, i think that what he > means is that the band has something of catharsis about it > (i've had more than a few people say this after > performances). to me this is actually about how the music > hits him. contrast it with a pre-"review" of a gig that > someone wrote that basically talked about a private > conversation with one of the guys in the band about a crush > said musician had on another crit's wife - - whom he had > dated pre-marriage (something told in *confidence*). the > music or other players were *never* mentioned . . . never. > to me the weekly thing is damn near descriptive in > comparison. i admit to feeling a little put off by it on > first reading and then got the gist of it one second reading > . . . i bounced it off of one of the other guys in l. > stinkbug and he thought it was a very apt description of the > emotional nature of our performances (cd is live stuff).so . > . . to each his own, but a different viewpoint on it,stig > > Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended > only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the > reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or > agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any > dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly > prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any > loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may > occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. > If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify > us by return e-mail. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 17:32:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13994; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:31:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:31:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David M. Wilson" To: Subject: newbie ? Jamman echo function Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got a Jamman and I am having a hard time figuring out the echo function. I am starting to think that the unit may be bad. Basically, I am setting the mode to echo and I do get the default delay. I tap the tempo and get no echo, but it sounds like it is a punch in loop. Is there a special configuration the LEDs have to be in. The manual indicates something about a "P" being in the display. Thanks, Dave PS: any other loopers doing hard disk recording and into bands like My Bloody Valentine, Her Space Holiday, Stereolab, etc...? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 18:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17189; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:31:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:31:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:27:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: newbie ? Jamman echo function Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, try tapping in shorter echo times for practice, and do this BEFORE you play any audio into the jamman. as soon as you hit the 'tap', the green led should light, and it will turn off when you tap the second time. sometimes, when doing multiple taps to get the general tempo of a song, you can mistakenly leave the 'tap' ON, so to speak... just make sure your last tap turns the green led OFF. then you will see the green led pulsing with the tempo. that's the way you want it... and the P means that the echo mode is in bypass. hit the bypass switch and you should see a number on the screen, 1-16. 1 is the lowest feedback, essentially one repeat. 16 is 100% feedback. all the numbers inbetween are various levels of feedback. you can adjust that by the pot on the front panel (i've forgotten what it's labelled as) hope this helps... rich ps. i'm doing hard disc recording, and my influences of droney, spacey guitar laden bands are similar to your references. shoegazers unite! >I just got a Jamman and I am having a hard time figuring out the echo >function. I am starting to think that the unit may be bad. Basically, I am >setting the mode to echo and I do get the default delay. I tap the tempo >and get no echo, but it sounds like it is a punch in loop. Is there a >special configuration the LEDs have to be in. The manual indicates >something about a "P" being in the display. >Thanks, >Dave > >PS: any other loopers doing hard disk recording and into bands like My >Bloody Valentine, Her Space Holiday, Stereolab, etc...? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 18:43:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17864; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:42:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:42:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David M. Wilson" To: Subject: RE: newbie ? Jamman echo function Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:41:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <23hT0B.A.8WE.wF8m8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Rich, I can not get the P to appear and when set in echo mode there is a 0. I am really thinking I got a faulty Jamman. I will try what you mentioned -----Original Message----- From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: newbie ? Jamman echo function David, try tapping in shorter echo times for practice, and do this BEFORE you play any audio into the jamman. as soon as you hit the 'tap', the green led should light, and it will turn off when you tap the second time. sometimes, when doing multiple taps to get the general tempo of a song, you can mistakenly leave the 'tap' ON, so to speak... just make sure your last tap turns the green led OFF. then you will see the green led pulsing with the tempo. that's the way you want it... and the P means that the echo mode is in bypass. hit the bypass switch and you should see a number on the screen, 1-16. 1 is the lowest feedback, essentially one repeat. 16 is 100% feedback. all the numbers inbetween are various levels of feedback. you can adjust that by the pot on the front panel (i've forgotten what it's labelled as) hope this helps... rich ps. i'm doing hard disc recording, and my influences of droney, spacey guitar laden bands are similar to your references. shoegazers unite! >I just got a Jamman and I am having a hard time figuring out the echo >function. I am starting to think that the unit may be bad. Basically, I am >setting the mode to echo and I do get the default delay. I tap the tempo >and get no echo, but it sounds like it is a punch in loop. Is there a >special configuration the LEDs have to be in. The manual indicates >something about a "P" being in the display. >Thanks, >Dave > >PS: any other loopers doing hard disk recording and into bands like My >Bloody Valentine, Her Space Holiday, Stereolab, etc...? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 20:08:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23108; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:06:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:06:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020323010632.9629.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:06:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321181955.05241008@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > And just for the record, to make certain this is absolutely clear: > > I pretty much never drink herbal tea. > > kim 'Pretty much never'? Still sounds wishy washy to me. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 20:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23324; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:10:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:10:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP feedback pedals Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:11:03 -0800 Message-ID: <004e01c1d207$9a01d560$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20020323010632.9629.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA23296 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Busted. :) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals --- Kim Flint wrote: > And just for the record, to make certain this is absolutely clear: > > I pretty much never drink herbal tea. > > kim 'Pretty much never'? Still sounds wishy washy to me. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 20:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25065; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:48:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:48:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <40.1b2776b9.29cd3894@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:47:00 EST Subject: alesis air-synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my little orange box came today.....its down right silly.....i just sent it straight into my mackie and out into my "world-o-boxes".....fun, fun, fun.....more reports to follow.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 21:36:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27672; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.1935b30d.29cd43b3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:34:27 EST Subject: Re: alesis air-synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, In a message dated 3/22/02 5:47:42 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >my little orange box came today.....its down right silly.....i just sent >it straight into my mackie and out into my "world-o-boxes".....fun, fun, >fun.....more reports to follow.....michael k I had one of these dealy bobs on backorder from Musician's Fiend for over 8 months and finallly gave up and got my money back Keep the list posted and let me know what I'm missing. :-) Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 22 22:57:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31742; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:55:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:55:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9BFD91.E2A5E82F@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:06:10 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Re: newbie ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "David M. Wilson" wrote: > I just got a Jamman and I am having a hard time figuring out the echo > function. I am starting to think that the unit may be bad. Basically, I am > setting the mode to echo and I do get the default delay. I tap the tempo > and get no echo, but it sounds like it is a punch in loop. Is there a > special configuration the LEDs have to be in. The manual indicates > something about a "P" being in the display. > Thanks, > Dave > > PS: any other loopers doing hard disk recording and into bands like My > Bloody Valentine, Her Space Holiday, Stereolab, etc...? i do hard disk recording (when i get the chance!) and am a rabid stereolab/my bloody valentine/her space holiday fan. tho i also go for tom verlaine/alfred schnittke/young marble giants/soft boys/link wray/moondog/steve reich/charlie parker/wire/charles mingus/ennio morricone/jon hassell/gyorgy ligeti/morton feldman/kinks/miles davis/erik satie/bela bartok/patti smith/frank black/george crumb/mermen/karlheinz stockhausen/pinback/stephen malkmus/joan la barbera/pell mell/harold budd/krzysztof penderecki/robert wyatt/charles ives/residents/nick drake/robert ashley/swell maps/bessie smith/anthony braxton/meat puppets/howlin' wolf/john cage/trans am/ilhan mimaroglu/robert ashley/tortoise/sex pistols/cecil taylor/fibonaccis/shins/harry partch/robyn hitchcock/smog/roxy music/television/iannis xenakis/muddy waters/captain beefheart/boards of canada/terry riley/calexico/matmos/sparklehorse/john fahey/velvet underground/lou harrison/john coltrane/luciano berio/cat power/fred frith/slits/karl nielsen/carla bley/syd barrett/edgar varese/david torn/13th floor elevators/bill frisell/durutti column/minutemen/yo la tengo/art tatum/henry cow/j.j. cale/lisa germano/big star/penguin cafe orchestra/chet atkins/blonde redhead/conlon nancarrow/john cale/brian enoblahblahblah, so i don't know whether that means we have the same taste in music or not...:o) but i don't have a jamman so can't help you there. i also missed stereolab @ the la all tomorrow's parties (couldn't swing the $100 for all four days), tho i done seen 'em before. anyone catch the show? brief review? cheeers lance g. ps welcome to the list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 04:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16177; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 04:19:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 04:19:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020323010633.02c39458@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 01:14:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals In-Reply-To: <20020323010632.9629.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321181955.05241008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, I may have gone through a brief experimental phase in college. But I swear I never inhaled. kim At 05:06 PM 3/22/2002, Bret wrote: >--- Kim Flint wrote: > > And just for the record, to make certain this is absolutely clear: > > > > I pretty much never drink herbal tea. > > > > kim > >'Pretty much never'? >Still sounds wishy washy to me. >bret ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 04:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17245; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 04:50:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 04:50:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.e57b0a2.29cda985@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 04:48:53 EST Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > those, the good ones we recomment (I also mesured the FV-50L and it > goes to exactly 20k) are only used over half their range? I have the FV-50L , it goes from 127 to 0 in the middle 50% of the range. Things can be improved by the following (with EDP connected) 1) open pedal fully 2) turn the small pot at the side of the pedal till you get slight feedback 3) turn it back very slightly for zero feedback. This helps a bit by extending the range to about 75% of the pedal. > Is that fair? Well, its how it is now. The FV-50L works, but it isn't easy to use smoothly. Maybe a resistor (+trim pot ) in parallel? 10k ohm would seem the place to start. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 05:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19069; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 05:05:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 05:05:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.19de7904.29cdad15@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 05:04:05 EST Subject: Re: newbie ? Jamman echo function To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just got a Jamman and I am having a hard time figuring out the echo > function. I am starting to think that the unit may be bad. Basically, I am > setting the mode to echo and I do get the default delay. I tap the tempo > and get no echo, but it sounds like it is a punch in loop. Did you turn up the feedback? The echo mode isn't designed so that you can play while setting the tap time (you can do it, and it produces interesting results, but its glitchy). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 05:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20116; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 05:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 05:34:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:36:12 -0800 Subject: Lee Scratch Perry's echooo oo oo o 0 Message-ID: <20020321.023612.-361579.2.anubia@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2 From: alien telegraph Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scratch used the Roland RE:201 for loops, and later a Mutron Bi-Phase for underwater fazeing effect he so often used on Black Ark era sessions (before he torched the place to chase away some German tourists!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 07:26:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24797; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:25:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:25:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: Whats up with my repeater...? Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:27:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1D26E.8A9B3EB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2002 12:24:20.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[A89E21B0:01C1D265] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1D26E.8A9B3EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just had a big prob wiv repeater... Its suddenly got this distorted, slightly chrunchy sound, and is become = all um(thinking of technical term) wobbley! The pitch warbles about, and = isnt synching. Tryed all synch modes.. and most worryingly... It still = does it if I only using internal memory and not the CFC!!!!! Does it have a "hard reset" or something... I admit that it had been on = for a while, maybe even a week, could it be hot??? Havent tried yet this morning. Really dont wanna send it away, cos i use = it for work everyday, AND i live in Norway so its an expensive postage, = not to mention the hassle we have to go thru with customs on return, can = delay stuff a month!!! HELP MaRK RED ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1D26E.8A9B3EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just had a big prob wiv = repeater...
Its suddenly got this distorted, = slightly chrunchy=20 sound, and is become all um(thinking of technical term) wobbley! The = pitch=20 warbles about, and isnt synching. Tryed all synch modes.. and most = worryingly...=20 It still does it if I only using internal memory and not the=20 CFC!!!!!
Does it have a "hard reset" or = something... I admit=20 that it had been on for a while, maybe even a week, could it be=20 hot???
 
Havent tried yet this morning. Really = dont wanna=20 send it away, cos i use it for work everyday, AND i live in Norway so = its an=20 expensive postage, not to mention the hassle we have to go thru with = customs on=20 return, can delay stuff a month!!!
 
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MaRK RED
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1D26E.8A9B3EB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 13:20:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10940; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:19:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:19:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020323100435.0379e660@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:15:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Re: DL4 problem In-Reply-To: <019901c1d161$99dcecb0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321105921.02573960@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020321165706.00a21640@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1046810==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_1046810==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:22 PM 3/21/02, you wrote: >Hi Tom- >I'm perplexed about this buzzing problem. Thanks for the post, Hans. I'm still quite perplexed as well. > Did you use the same power supply with both DL4's? It didn't matter which of these I used. > It sounds like you've tried just about everything else. The only other > thing that I can think of, is that maybe you've got a feedback loop going > somehow - that will cause a high-pitched tone, although it doesn't seem a > likely culprit. If you have a barrel connector, try connecting the send > straight back to the return, and see what happens. Don't have one, but I'll give that a try too - meanwhile, I had my first performance in SF last night in quite some time, so this was really...a problem...ended up using only the D-2 and the MPX1 and got through the performance just fine. Had a great time, actually - just no looping, per se! Good to know that I'm not as entirely dependent on the loops as I thought! - 'course the delays were real long... Thanks too for the EDP tips. I almost used it last night... See ya, Tom >Regarding overloading your EDP: I used to have that problem a lot, >especially with low-frequency signals. Then I realized that the EDP >simply doesn't have as much headroom as the Mackie, so I did two >things: (1). I turned all of my levels down, so that I was no longer >peaking out at +10dB, but rather at unity if possible. (2) I turned the >EDP's input down a little and then boosted its return channel into the >Mackie a little bit to compensate. This won't do wonders for your >signal-to-noise ratio, but neither will clipping. > >When the red light goes on, things do tend to get ugly. You can hit UNDO >as soon as you get distortion to keep the crunch from looping, and then >back off the feedback a little bit to let the levels settle down to a >manageable level. With your tuba, I'm sure that you must get big pileups >of waveforms, which are maxing out the looped signal. I believe that the >EDP software automatically cuts the looped signal somewhat whenever you >overdub, but it may not be enough when we're talking about Big Bass >Waves. You may need to keep the feedback rolled off a hare to keep things >under control when you're overdubbing a lot of low notes. If you're using >a MIDI pedal to control the EDP, you could theoretically assign two pedals >to the overdub function: one regular for higher notes, and a second one >that lowers the feedback while it's pressed down for the brown-tone drones. >Good luck, >-Hans --=====================_1046810==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:22 PM 3/21/02, you wrote:
Hi Tom-
I'm perplexed about this buzzing problem.

Thanks for the post, Hans.  I'm still quite perplexed as well.

 Did you use the same power supply with both DL4's?

It didn't matter which of these I used.

  It sounds like you've tried just about everything else.  The only other thing that I can think of, is that maybe you've got a feedback loop going somehow - that will cause a high-pitched tone, although it doesn't seem a likely culprit.  If you have a barrel connector, try connecting the send straight back to the return, and see what happens.

Don't have one, but I'll give that a try too - meanwhile, I had my first performance in SF last night in quite some time, so this was really...a problem...ended up using only the D-2 and the MPX1 and got through the performance just fine.  Had a great time, actually - just no looping, per se!  Good to know that I'm not as entirely dependent on the loops as I thought!  - 'course the delays were real long...

Thanks too for the EDP tips.  I almost used it last night...

See ya,

Tom

 

Regarding overloading your EDP: I used to have that problem a lot, especially with low-frequency signals.  Then I realized that the EDP simply doesn't have as much headroom as the Mackie, so I did two things:  (1). I turned all of my levels down, so that I was no longer peaking out at +10dB, but rather at unity if possible.  (2) I turned the EDP's input down a little and then boosted its return channel into the Mackie a little bit to compensate.  This won't do wonders for your signal-to-noise ratio, but neither will clipping.
 
When the red light goes on, things do tend to get ugly.  You can hit UNDO as soon as you get distortion to keep the crunch from looping, and then back off the feedback a little bit to let the levels settle down to a manageable level.  With your tuba, I'm sure that you must get big pileups of waveforms, which are maxing out the looped signal.  I believe that the EDP software automatically cuts the looped signal somewhat whenever you overdub, but it may not be enough when we're talking about Big Bass Waves.  You may need to keep the feedback rolled off a hare to keep things under control when you're overdubbing a lot of low notes.  If you're using a MIDI pedal to control the EDP, you could theoretically assign two pedals to the overdub function:  one regular for higher notes, and a second one that lowers the feedback while it's pressed down for the brown-tone drones.
Good luck,
-Hans
--=====================_1046810==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 13:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11857; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:30:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:30:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c1d299$13b5df00$1f58e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020321105921.02573960@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020321165706.00a21640@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020323100435.0379e660@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:32:24 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Tuesday March 26th 2002 - Planet Of The Loops This edition of Planet Of The Loops' bi-monthly looping series features "space-jazz" guitarist Paul Royes, mad scientist Stuart Clark on bass, computer and kitchen implements plus The Planet's founder, versatile guitarist Andrew Aldridge, meeting for an evening of loop-based improvisations. More info on Andrew Aldridge and Planet Of The Loops http://geocities.com/energymadeaudible/energyhome.html Paul Royes http://home.goodmedia.com/%7Edw/cybertar.html Stuart Clark http://www.anubismedia.com/psychoacoustic.html Between sets - Where the Earth Meets the Sky by Tom Heasley Massive ambient looping creations performed on tuba! (Hypnos) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A Special Concert Event: Sunday, April 7th @ Art System, 327 Spadina Ave. 2nd floor map: http://www.theambientping.com/map_327spadina.html The Ambient Ping and Stained Productions proudly present ambient electronic music pioneer ROBERT RICH in concert with special guests, soundscape artists dreamSTATE and light projections by General Chaos Visuals. $12 in advance - $15 at the door - Doors open at 8:00 PM dreamSTATE at 8:45 PM - Robert Rich at 10:00 PM An all ages and non-smoking event advance ticket outlets: ROTATE THIS (620 Queen St. W.- just west of Bathurst) SOUNDSCAPES (572 College St.- 4 blocks w of Bathurst) THE AMBiENT PiNG (Tuesdays at club nia - ask for Scott) Read more at the Stained Productions website: http://www.stainedproductions.com/events/rich/index.html Out-of-towners can also reserve advance tickets at this link. Robert Rich - http://www.rrich.com/rrframeset.html dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamSTATE.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient and experimental performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 13:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12008; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:31:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:31:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020323102321.00a2bcf0@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:28:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Fwd: sfSound Orchestra Plays Morton Feldman Box Notation (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1785265==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_1785265==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi all - I was asked last night to perform on this concert this coming Tuesday and thought I'd give it a plug for those that may be interested. Tom > the sfSound Orchestra presents: >MORTON FELDMAN'S > BOX NOTATION @ THE > BLACK BOX > >Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:54pm >The Black Box >1928 Telegraph >Downtown Oakland, California >[1 block from 19th St. BART] >$6-$100000 sliding scale >510.451.1932 > >The sfSound Orchestra will be performing 3 of Morton Feldman's "box >notation" pieces for orchestra from the 50's: > > "Marginal Intersection" (1951), "Intersection #1" (1951), > and "Atlantis" (1959). > >This is a rare opportunity to hear these experimental-music classics, >as they are rarely performed. In fact, no commercial recording of >"Marginal Intersection" [scored for winds, brass, percussion, strings, 2 >oscillators, and sound effects of riveting] yet exists. > [supposedly one is coming out this year on Mode] > >Morton Feldman's early "box notation" pieces from 1951 were written at >the age of 25, soon after Feldman began associating with John Cage >in New York. The music contains some characteristics of Feldman's >well-known later works, but with a much more experimental >approach. These works, often cited as some of the first examples of >graphic notation, can be at times loud, dense, and fast -- musical >elements not usually associated with Feldman! "Atlantis" for orchestra >(1959) is one of Feldman's last works to use graphic notation. > >In addition to the Feldman pieces, the sfSound Orchestra will perform an >improvisational new work to compliment [and contrast] the Feldman pieces. > >BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! >All this is only ONE HALF of the evening's music! The Mills College >Contemporary Performance Ensemble [directed by Fred Frith] will >also be performing a full set of new music. > >We hope to see you there - this is an event not to be missed! > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >The sfSound Group is a San Francisco based New Music Ensemble. >This all-star group, containing some of the Bay Area's finest >composer-performers, is dedicated to presenting concerts that lie >somewhere among the complexities of music that are traditionally >composed, radically improvised, noisily sonificated, and collectively >realized. Augmented with additional players to create a chamber >orchestra for this performance, the sfSound "Orchestra" will be led >by stopwatches and musical director Matt Ingalls. > >sfSound Orchestra is: >===================== >flute Rachel Sher, Silvia Yee >clar Peter Arvantely, Robert Bailis, Matt Ingalls, Jacob Lindsay >bn Christopher Jones >sax Aaron Bennett, Daniel Plonsey >tpt David Bithell, Per Bloland, Chris Burns, Tom Dambly, Tom Djll >hn Kris Bobrowski >tbn Toyoji Tomita >tub Ron Heglin >perc Mike Carreira, Russell Greenberg, Garth Powell, > Karen Stackpole, Moe! Staiano >guit John Shiurba >pno Matthew Goodheart >elec Thomas Day, Kent Jolly >vn Jeff Hobbs, Bob Marsh >vla Jorge Boehringer, Jonathan Fretheim, Linda Green >vc Danielle Degruttola, Hugh Livingston, Monica Scott, > Carolyn Tyler, Heather Vorwerck >cb George Cremaschi, Matthew Sperry > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >More information: > http://sfSound.org > http://www.blackboxoakland.com/ > http://www.cnvill.demon.co.uk/mfhome.htm > >This concert is presented by The Black Box, sfSound, >ACME Observatory Contemporary Music Series, and Moe! Staiano. > >-m@ >________________________ > matt ingalls >http://sfsound.org/matt.html --=====================_1785265==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi all - I was asked last night to perform on this concert this coming Tuesday and thought I'd give it a plug for those that may be interested.

Tom


      the sfSound Orchestra presents:
MORTON FELDMAN'S
             BOX NOTATION @ THE
     BLACK BOX

Tuesday, March 26, 2002    7:54pm
The Black Box
1928 Telegraph
Downtown Oakland, California
[1 block from 19th St. BART]
$6-$100000 sliding scale
510.451.1932

The sfSound Orchestra will be performing 3 of Morton Feldman's "box
notation" pieces for orchestra from the 50's:

       "Marginal Intersection" (1951), "Intersection #1" (1951),
        and "Atlantis" (1959).

This is a rare opportunity to hear these experimental-music classics,
as they are rarely performed.  In fact, no commercial recording of
"Marginal Intersection"  [scored for winds, brass, percussion, strings, 2
oscillators, and sound effects of riveting] yet exists.
         [supposedly one is coming out this year on Mode]

Morton Feldman's early "box notation" pieces from 1951 were written at
the age of 25, soon after Feldman began associating with John Cage
in New York.  The  music contains some characteristics of Feldman's
well-known later works, but with a much more experimental
approach.  These works, often cited as some of the first examples of
graphic notation, can be at times loud, dense, and fast -- musical
elements not usually  associated with Feldman! "Atlantis" for orchestra
(1959) is one of Feldman's last works to use graphic notation.

In addition to the Feldman pieces, the sfSound Orchestra will perform an
improvisational new work to compliment [and contrast] the Feldman pieces.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
All this is only ONE HALF of the evening's music!  The Mills College
Contemporary Performance Ensemble [directed by Fred Frith] will
also be performing a full set of new music.

We hope to see you there - this is an event not to be missed!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The sfSound Group is a San Francisco based New Music Ensemble.
This all-star group, containing some of the Bay Area's finest
composer-performers, is dedicated to presenting concerts that lie
somewhere among the complexities of music that are traditionally
composed, radically improvised, noisily sonificated, and collectively
realized. Augmented with additional players to create a chamber
orchestra for this performance, the sfSound "Orchestra" will be led
by stopwatches and musical director Matt Ingalls.

sfSound Orchestra is:
=====================
flute   Rachel Sher, Silvia Yee
clar    Peter Arvantely, Robert Bailis, Matt Ingalls, Jacob Lindsay
bn      Christopher Jones
sax     Aaron Bennett, Daniel Plonsey
tpt     David Bithell, Per Bloland, Chris Burns, Tom Dambly, Tom Djll
hn      Kris Bobrowski
tbn     Toyoji Tomita
tub     Ron Heglin
perc    Mike Carreira, Russell Greenberg, Garth Powell,
                Karen Stackpole, Moe! Staiano
guit    John Shiurba
pno     Matthew Goodheart
elec    Thomas Day, Kent Jolly
vn      Jeff Hobbs, Bob Marsh
vla     Jorge Boehringer, Jonathan Fretheim, Linda Green
vc      Danielle Degruttola, Hugh Livingston, Monica Scott,
                Carolyn Tyler, Heather Vorwerck
cb      George Cremaschi, Matthew Sperry

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
More information:
        http://sfSound.org
        http://www.blackboxoakland.com/
        http://www.cnvill.demon.co.uk/mfhome.htm

This concert is presented by The Black Box, sfSound,
ACME Observatory Contemporary Music Series, and Moe! Staiano.

-m@
________________________
            matt  ingalls
http://sfsound.org/matt.html
--=====================_1785265==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 14:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16899; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:47:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:47:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Whats up with my repeater...? Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:47:42 -0800 Message-ID: <003801c1d2a3$99462da0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1D260.8B22EDA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1D260.8B22EDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try re-installing the OS. C -----Original Message----- From: mark francombe [mailto:mark_francombe@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 4:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Whats up with my repeater...? Just had a big prob wiv repeater... Its suddenly got this distorted, slightly chrunchy sound, and is become all um(thinking of technical term) wobbley! The pitch warbles about, and isnt synching. Tryed all synch modes.. and most worryingly... It still does it if I only using internal memory and not the CFC!!!!! Does it have a "hard reset" or something... I admit that it had been on for a while, maybe even a week, could it be hot??? Havent tried yet this morning. Really dont wanna send it away, cos i use it for work everyday, AND i live in Norway so its an expensive postage, not to mention the hassle we have to go thru with customs on return, can delay stuff a month!!! HELP MaRK RED ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1D260.8B22EDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Try re-installing the = OS.

 

C

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: mark francombe [mailto:mark_francombe@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 23, = 2002 4:28 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Whats up with my repeater...?

 

Just had a big prob wiv = repeater...

Its suddenly got this = distorted, slightly chrunchy sound, and is become all um(thinking of technical = term) wobbley! The pitch warbles about, and isnt synching. Tryed all synch = modes.. and most worryingly... It still does it if I only using internal memory = and not the CFC!!!!!

Does it have a "hard reset" or something... I admit that it had been on for a while, = maybe even a week, could it be hot???

 

Havent tried yet this = morning. Really dont wanna send it away, cos i use it for work everyday, AND i = live in Norway so its an expensive postage, not to mention the hassle we have to = go thru with customs on return, can delay stuff a = month!!!

 

HELP

 

MaRK RED

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1D260.8B22EDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 14:49:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17038; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:48:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.89959eb.29ce35fa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:48:10 EST Subject: test To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 15:32:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20689; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:30:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:30:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9CE715.E8B47452@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:37:52 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fwd: sfSound Orchestra Plays Morton Feldman Box Notation (fwd) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020323102321.00a2bcf0@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Heasley wrote: > Hi all - I was asked last night to perform on this concert this > coming Tuesday and thought I'd give it a plug for those that may be > interested. > > Tom > > > >> the sfSound Orchestra presents: >> MORTON FELDMAN'S >> BOX NOTATION @ THE >> BLACK BOX >> >> Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:54pm >> The Black Box >> 1928 Telegraph >> Downtown Oakland, California >> [1 block from 19th St. BART] >> $6-$100000 sliding scale >> 510.451.1932...... > haiku: m. feldman event? i'll be there but not in the spring... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 23 17:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28061; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:43:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:43:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.245.69.19] From: "Joe Gillin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 question Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:42:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2002 22:42:02.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[F30A7270:01C1D2BB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I'm sort of a rookie with this, but I just bought a Boss RC-20 a few weeks a go and lately I 've been having some trouble with it. When I'm recording a loop, the memory full light comes on and it automatically stops after only 30-40 sec. or so but loops are supposed to be over 5 min. or so. The thing that really confuses me is that the memory isn't full cause I even deleted all of the stored tracks to be sure. I didn't use to have this problem before I changed the batteries. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 02:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23427; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:41:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:41:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:41:18 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: sfSound Orchestra Plays Morton Feldman Box Notation (fwd) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002e01c1d307$4960d880$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020323102321.00a2bcf0@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Heasley >Hi all - I was asked last night to perform on this concert this coming >Tuesday and thought I'd give it a plug for those that may be interested. Cool. I wish I could make it, but I'm currently living too far away. And I've been listening to a lot of Morty lately. Jusy got back from Philly from a Robert Rich show. I didn't know he was such a big looper. EDP and a line 6. He's playing the Knit NYC on April 1. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 03:01:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23633; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:42:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:43:32 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <003701c1d307$98f66180$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RX+uH2g5tmfjIf6I86ryCQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_RX+uH2g5tmfjIf6I86ryCQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Last week the amazing Steve Sandberg showed up, but this week I was out of town. Any one new show up? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_RX+uH2g5tmfjIf6I86ryCQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Last week the amazing Steve Sandberg showed up, but
this week I was out of town. Any one new show up?
 
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_RX+uH2g5tmfjIf6I86ryCQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 07:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09204; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:37:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:37:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <90.233cc5f7.29cf2249@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:36:25 EST Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Soundart Chameleon On first glance this looks very interesting indeed. and seems very reasonably priced for what it might do. Perhaps some of the more technically knowledgeable folk on the list should give this the once over. (is the processor powerful enough, etc) Could be a good platform for looping software. (80s of loop time, enough???) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 09:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14795; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:32:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:32:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9DE2D3.C8FD83B@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:29:39 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: dead jam man (or not?) References: <200203222333.SAA17382@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You may remember (I don't think so but anyway) I poste a few month ago a message my Jam Man went suddenly dead, with all leds lighting at start up and then the unit going dead. I had checked the wall wart to no result. I couldn't find any one to repair it here (in France) or at a price totally insane. BUT the whole point of this message is the unit suddenly is working again, and I want to share the solution in case it would happen to anyone... A friend of mine proposed me to have a look inside the rack, since anyway, there is nothing I could do, in a search of anything easy to identify visually. We then proceeded in unplugging everything that was pluuged in the Jam Man - input/output cable - midi in - a bunch of Proel momentary switches (in fact, sustain pedals that can be assembled together like a puzzle and that you can switch in latched/unlatched mode). I forgot the plug of the wallwart. And then the unit when on again, totally normally! This has happened once again recently (remaking all ground connections in my studio, and with protected circuits against lightning, and "above normal voltage"). at restartup: dead jam man again. I unplugged the switches and replugged them again, and everything was back normal. Weird. But conveniently reassuring. Not to mention a working jam man ! I don't have any explanation to provide for this but I am a happy camper. Maybe it can help... Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 09:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15415; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:35:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:35:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03bb01c1d341$0db84680$fe065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "spacemusic" , "Ambient Mailing List" , "ElectronicMusic" , , , "beyond_em" , "Loopers Delight" Cc: "Robert Rich" Subject: Robert Rich at the Gathering Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:34:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went to the Gathering last night. Seven simple words that carry a lot of weight. The Gathering isn't just next door or down the block. It's over an hour's drive away... and requires travel on the Schuylkill ("Sure Kill") Highway. But the trek is always worth it. Driving a mere 80 miles for an interstellar trip is a very worth while endeavor. Last night's space trip was captained by Robert Rich. I arrived early, during the sound check. All the equipment seemed to be in place. Jeff Towne was getting the lighting programs in order while Robert was fighting the feedback gremlins. But the most noticeable feature was the MOTM modular synth all patched up and ready to go, lights a-blinkin'. Art was at the sound controls helping Robert and Chuck was off on an important errand. At this time of day, St. Mary's stained glass windows provide little light making it somewhat dark inside. But, astonishingly, they are also rather equally lit and quite breath taking. Perhaps this is a portent of things to come... After a few hellos, I trotted off for my ritual dinner at Wan's. On my return, I brought Robert his order of take out to ensure the evening's flight was fully fueled. The line outside the door was already several yards long and then the doors opened. People flooded in. I set up my portable chair in my usual spot in front of the first row of pews, right of center. I'd prefer to be closer to the center, but then the footrest on my chair would block a vital path needed by other campers. A few moments to meet and greet with familiar faces, catching up on each other's lives. Gatherings are full events! John Diliberto performed MC duties. Golly, I'd pay good money to have such a wonderful speaking voice! Silver tones is too cliched of an expression. Golden or platinum are still too cliche and merely approach reality asymptotically at best. Then Robert fired up a sequence on the MOTM modular. Engines full throttle, we have lift off. The first set consisted of new material played on synths (the keyboards, rack modules, and MOTM) and the slide guitar. As usual, Robert's processing and looping drove the raw sound sources to other galaxies, dragging along an enthusiastic and receptive crowd. Here words fail me as they fail all but the most eloquent. Robert's rhythms are sexy and the sounds superb. Not so glurpy this time, more oozy and fun. Like a kid playing in a mud puddle, I wanted to get dirty and squish the music through my fingers. I watched every movement and must point out that, unlike many synth-playing spacemusicians, Robert actually PLAYS keys. It was also a gas to watch Robert use a nut driver to simultaneously pitch and stimulate the high string on his slide guitar. During the short intermission, I had the opportunity to talk to more friends and acquaintences. John returned to signal the start of the second set. Robert started off with Animus from Propogation. This is perhaps my most favorite track from my most favorite Rich CD. In addition to all the gear used in set one, Robert added his various wooden flutes. I love watching a person play music (when I'm not playing music myself). There was the usual comment made later about performing to MIDI backing tracks. I'd like to point out that the key portion in that sentence is the word PERFORMING, not the words MIDI backing tracks. Without growing 20 more pairs of hands or hiring a lot of musicians and holding months of rehearsals, there is no other way to bring some of Robert's material to a concert setting. I can only direct the attention of critics to sublime moments of the concert such as when Robert sat at the slide guitar, playing harmonics, looping rhythms, and soloing above it all. The light of Robert's music lit the entire audience. A standing O brought Robert back for a quick encore and the show was over. Chuck, Art and Jeff pulled off another great event. Then I wandered off with some friends to stretch out the evening at a nearby watering hole. I plan to see Robert again at the Space for Music Festival in Nashville in April. A little more than 80 miles away from my eastern Pennsylvania home. But it's still an easier drive than Alfa Centauri, which I attended last week in the Netherlands. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 13:47:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28475; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:46:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:46:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:51:17 -0800 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: Video Performance @Zeitgeist, Cambridge MA 3.9.02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a601c1d364$e37a06a0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <_HVdsD.A.Z8G.g7hn8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check these guys out if you have a chance to see a future show. they're on the "loopers delight" mailing list that I'm on ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: Video Performance @Zeitgeist, Cambridge MA 3.9.02 > Hi folks: > > I'll be doing video mixing at what promises to be a high energy music > event on Saturday. Hope some of you can make it. > > subconsciouscafe astro-convertible music series @ ZEITGEIST ~ march/may > > > Saturday 9 March > > 8:30 > SKULL SESSION: > > Scott Getchell - trumpet > Timo Shenko - sax > Jeff Platz - guitar > Chris Forkey - bass > > Agents of Ornettistan infiltrate the Z > > 10:00 > FINDING THE GROOVE: INSIDE & OUT > Tom Hall-saxophone, vocals > Geoff Scott-guitar > dj flack - turntables > Mike Rivard - bass > Jeff Berlin-drums > > ZEITGEIST GALLERY 312 Broadway, Cambridge > Central Sq Redline T > 617.876.2182 > door @ 8 > $10 (except where noted) or best offer > BYOB, whydontcha! > wheelchair accessable > All Aegis > > Agitpope: > > www.zeitgeist-gallery.org > > > > -- > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the > world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of > the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a > fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 13:55:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29205; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:54:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:54:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 24 Mar 2002 18:53:48 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "timothy crowe" Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 question X-Sent-From: seemso@directvinternet.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:53:46 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.7-2 Sender: seemso@directvinternet.com Message-Id: <20020324105348.26436.c007-h006.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com never had that happen to my rc-20 kinda weird but weirdness is always expected when using these tools let us know what you find out t. On Sat, 23 March 2002, "Joe Gillin" wrote > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Message-Id: > From: "Joe Gillin" > Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:43:03 -0500 > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17946 > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:42:01 -0600 > Received: (cpmta 6817 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 14:44:33 -0800 > Received: from 207.228.238.9 (HELO hemlock.violacea.com) > by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.204) with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 14:44:33 -0800 > Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28061; > Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:43:03 -0500 > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Resent-Message-Id: > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > X-Received: 23 Mar 2002 22:44:33 GMT > X-Originating-Ip: [24.245.69.19] > Subject: Boss RC-20 question > Precedence: list > Delivered-To: directvinternet.com%seemso@directvinternet.com > Return-Path: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Old-Return-Path: > X-Originalarrivaltime: 23 Mar 2002 22:42:02.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[F30A7270:01C1D2BB] > > I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I'm sort of a rookie with > this, but I just bought a Boss RC-20 a few weeks a go and lately I 've been > having some trouble with it. When I'm recording a loop, the memory full > light comes on and it automatically stops after only 30-40 sec. or so but > loops are supposed to be over 5 min. or so. The thing that really confuses > me is that the memory isn't full cause I even deleted all of the stored > tracks to be sure. I didn't use to have this problem before I changed the > batteries. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 14:09:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31286; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:08:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 11:08:21 -0800 Subject: Re: dead jam man (or not?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C9DE2D3.C8FD83B@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <8228B4A5-3F5A-11D6-91BD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <84ISyD.A.enH.mQin8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That really does sound like a power supply with an intermittent short somewhere. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 06:29 AM, o.malhomme wrote: > You may remember (I don't think so but anyway) I poste a few month ago a > message my Jam Man went suddenly dead, with all leds lighting at start > up and then the unit going dead. > > I had checked the wall wart to no result. > > I couldn't find any one to repair it here (in France) or at a price > totally insane. > BUT the whole point of this message is the unit suddenly is working > again, and I want to share the solution in case it would happen to > anyone... > > A friend of mine proposed me to have a look inside the rack, since > anyway, there is nothing I could do, in a search of anything easy to > identify visually. > > We then proceeded in unplugging everything that was pluuged in the Jam > Man > - input/output cable > - midi in > - a bunch of Proel momentary switches (in fact, sustain pedals that can > be assembled together like a puzzle and that you can switch in > latched/unlatched mode). > > I forgot the plug of the wallwart. > > And then the unit when on again, totally normally! > > This has happened once again recently (remaking all ground connections > in my studio, and with protected circuits against lightning, and "above > normal voltage"). at restartup: dead jam man again. I unplugged the > switches and replugged them again, and everything was back normal. > > Weird. But conveniently reassuring. > Not to mention a working jam man ! > > I don't have any explanation to provide for this but I am a happy > camper. > Maybe it can help... > > Olivier Malhomme > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 17:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10837; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:28:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:28:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.addec07.29cf4a8e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:28:14 EST Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16f.addec07.29cf4a8e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16f.addec07.29cf4a8e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm sorry i couldn't make it yesterday either - and won't be able to be there until mid-april what with vacation and all - i will be checking email to keep up on happenings though - hey tom, any chance of a compilation cd of our first few weeks? i'd love to be able to hear some of it - regards to all - and happy holidays to those who celebrate - harry --part1_16f.addec07.29cf4a8e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm sorry i couldn't make it yesterday either - and won't be able to be there until mid-april what with vacation and all - i will be checking email to keep up on happenings though - hey tom, any chance of a compilation cd of our first few weeks?  i'd love to be able to hear some of it - regards to all - and happy holidays to those who celebrate -  harry --part1_16f.addec07.29cf4a8e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 19:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17924; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:21:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:21:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:21:24 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001e01c1d392$ffa3dee0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <16f.addec07.29cf4a8e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: HarryEsq@aol.com >i'm sorry i couldn't make it yesterday either - and >won't be able to be there until mid-april what with > vacation and all - i will be checking email to keep >up on happenings though - hey tom, any chance of >a compilation cd of our first few weeks? i'd love to >be able to hear some of it - regards to all - and happy >holidays to those who celebrate - harry Last time I saw Tom, his cut finger was worse (infected) and he was having problems with the server for ExtremeNY (I see the calendar is still down). And...if they taped it on Saturday, they now have at least 30 hours of material to pick from. So we may or may not have to wait for a while... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 24 22:35:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29127; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:34:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:34:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:34:11 -0800 Subject: Adrenalinn MIDI noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2C312424-3FA1-11D6-91BD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <5F9Tg.A.eGH.2qpn8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I did a search on the archives, and came up blank, so I'll put this question out to you. I'm checking out an Adrenalinn, and I must say, it's a fun little machine. Sounds great... until I plug a midi clock into it. Then I get this staticy clicking when ever I'm playing. I assume it's always there and being gated out when there's no signal. As soon as I unplug the midi, it's there again. I tried all sorts of cable arraingments, but to no avail. Any ideas? Other than that, this box is a keeper. (It's replacing a Roland EF303, which I felt sucks in all regards) Though I wish it had a stereo input so it fit in my Repeater effects loop nicely. I know I can use it as a clock source, but that's really a pain in the butt.... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 01:21:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05459; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 01:20:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 01:20:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <90.233cc5f7.29cf2249@aol.com> References: <90.233cc5f7.29cf2249@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:19:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Re: Soundart Chameleon >On first glance this looks very interesting indeed. >and seems very reasonably priced for what it might do. > >Perhaps some of the more technically knowledgeable folk on the list >should give this the once over. >(is the processor powerful enough, etc) yes, and it should be more or less compatible with the LOOP code! > >Could be a good platform for looping software. >(80s of loop time, enough???) I dont think so... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 10:30:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03802; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:28:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:28:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020325102146.025fcaa8@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:24:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: NYC gig 3/29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com psychedelloopcious! friday 3/29 at the free103.9fm 97 south 5th st williamsburg bk the fall in love ortho naturaliste the sb + DJs matt moses tony rettman (200 lb underground) tom roe and of course, lil ol anti:clockwise. $5 9 pm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 11:10:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06837; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:07:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:07:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5D0DD3CB24A6D511A9CD0008C745EA4C0102DFA3@abnymx1.corp.about.com> From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Boss RC-20 question Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:07:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D417.1C679010" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D417.1C679010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just got one too. I haven't tried to record a loop more than 15 seconds or so, but would love to know answer if you find. I think Boss has a faxback service if no one on this list knows answer. I RTFM several times and there was no mention of a cap on a particular loop size independant of the overall memory. Ben -----Original Message----- From: timothy crowe [mailto:seemso@directvinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 question never had that happen to my rc-20 kinda weird but weirdness is always expected when using these tools let us know what you find out t. On Sat, 23 March 2002, "Joe Gillin" wrote > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Message-Id: > From: "Joe Gillin" > Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:43:03 -0500 > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17946 > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:42:01 -0600 > Received: (cpmta 6817 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 14:44:33 -0800 > Received: from 207.228.238.9 (HELO hemlock.violacea.com) > by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.204) with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 14:44:33 -0800 > Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28061; > Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:43:03 -0500 > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Resent-Message-Id: > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > X-Received: 23 Mar 2002 22:44:33 GMT > X-Originating-Ip: [24.245.69.19] > Subject: Boss RC-20 question > Precedence: list > Delivered-To: directvinternet.com%seemso@directvinternet.com > Return-Path: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Old-Return-Path: > X-Originalarrivaltime: 23 Mar 2002 22:42:02.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[F30A7270:01C1D2BB] > > I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I'm sort of a rookie with > this, but I just bought a Boss RC-20 a few weeks a go and lately I 've been > having some trouble with it. When I'm recording a loop, the memory full > light comes on and it automatically stops after only 30-40 sec. or so but > loops are supposed to be over 5 min. or so. The thing that really confuses > me is that the memory isn't full cause I even deleted all of the stored > tracks to be sure. I didn't use to have this problem before I changed the > batteries. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D417.1C679010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Boss RC-20 question

I just got one too. I haven't tried to record a loop = more than 15 seconds or so, but would love to know answer if you find. = I think Boss has a faxback service if no one on this list knows answer. = I RTFM several times and there was no mention of a cap on a particular = loop size independant of the overall memory.

Ben

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never had that happen to my rc-20

kinda weird but weirdness is always expected when = using
these tools

let us know what you find out

t.

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> I was wondering if anyone could help me = out.  I'm
sort of a rookie with
> this, but I just bought a Boss RC-20 a few = weeks a go
and lately I 've been
> having some trouble with it. When I'm recording = a
loop, the memory full
> light comes on and it automatically stops after = only
30-40 sec. or so but
> loops are supposed to be over 5 min. or so. The = thing
that really confuses
> me is that the memory isn't full cause I even = deleted
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D417.1C679010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 11:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07124; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <074901c1d418$4a0faf10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <90.233cc5f7.29cf2249@aol.com> Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:15:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Re: Soundart Chameleon > >On first glance this looks very interesting indeed. > >and seems very reasonably priced for what it might do. > > > >Perhaps some of the more technically knowledgeable folk on the list > >should give this the once over. > >(is the processor powerful enough, etc) > > yes, and it should be more or less compatible with the LOOP code! That's quite interesting! I haven't looked at the Motorola Cold-Fire microprocessor but it makes sense that it's similar to Motorola's other processors. The DSP is likewise similar to those found in Symbolic Sound's Kyma, Eventide's Orville, Lake Technology's Huron, et al. But there is only one DSP on the Chameleon. Still, I don't think processor power is the bottleneck for Chameleon looping. > >Could be a good platform for looping software. > >(80s of loop time, enough???) > > I dont think so... Yes, there seems to be surprisingly little memory on the Chameleon. This looks like the bottleneck to me, at least for any serious looping. Also, I'm surprised the Chameleon doesn't have some kind of higher speed interface, like Firewire, ethernet, or even USB 2.0. While the MIDI interface on the Chameleon is certainly required for us loopers and it has an RS232 interface, there doesn't seem to be a good way to save/transfer 'dem loops once you make them! Although it does support a Flash card, you still can't digitally transfer a loop in real-time other than via MIDI sample-dump. Perhaps Soundarts will offer an Enhanced Chameleon. So what do you call a bigger Chameleon? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 11:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07414; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:22:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:22:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:21:57 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009b01c1d419$2fb3ada0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <90.233cc5f7.29cf2249@aol.com> <074901c1d418$4a0faf10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5NKhj.A.OzB.n60n8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zelig? > ... So what do you call a > bigger Chameleon? > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 11:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08074; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:31:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:31:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9F50B7.40206@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:30:47 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: DIY Guitar Project References: <90.233cc5f7.29cf2249@aol.com> <074901c1d418$4a0faf10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <009b01c1d419$2fb3ada0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, some of you guys might be interested in this guitar project I've got going right now... http://dimbulb.org Follow the 'Klein Copy' link on the front page. This is the first guitar I have ever built... a bit of an adventurous undertaking, but its turning out great so far! later, -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 11:44:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08622; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:43:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:43:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:41:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Stuff for sale From: Larry Stites To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c1d1a8$77f4d710$420e88cf@stevespc> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/22/02 5:50 AM, M. Steven Ginn at sginn@airmail.net wrote: I am expanding my Zen Drum capabilities from simply drum set sounds to various other sounds - would your Proteus 2000 with Protozoa card include world percussion sounds and loops? I am thinking of buying the new E-MU Planet Earth and listed right below that in the Full Compass cataloug is the Proteus 2000... Also I want to play through two amps. I have one Peavey currently and your Peavey sounds like a good addition. Do you have pics to send of both the Proteus and the Peavey? > I am thinking of putting up the following items for sale on ebay but > thought I would offer to those here first. > > Proteus 2000 with Protozoa card (which includes the Proteus 1, 2 & 3). > Racked only in non-smoking studio and is up to date with the latest OS > upgrade from EMU. It's a great synth/rompler for wind control (I'll > even leave my programmed wind patches on it to use as an example) and in > many respects is even more responsive than my Roland JV1010. I have all > the manuals, etc. to go with it. Even the box for the Protozoa! The > street price is around $950, but I am asking $750 (plus s&h). > > MOTU 1224 Expansion Unit (means it doesn't include the PCI-324 card). A > 24 bit computer based digital audio harddisk recording unit for Mac or > Windows. The analog to digital converters are some of the best that > MOTU makes and are comparable to some higher end units out there. I > only used this for one recording project and the quality is incredible. > I have all the original manuals, etc. and like the P2K has been racked > in a non-smoking studio. The street price is approximately $875, and I > am asking only $650 (plus s&h). > > Peavy CS 400 Stereo Power Amp. Peavy doesn't even make this power range > anymore. They only make the 200 and the 800 with nothing in between. > This amp is rock solid and weighs about 50 pounds. It is 3 rack spaces > and can be configured as a stereo 200 w/ch, or mono 400 w amp. If you > don't know anything about these amps, they are most often used in major > shows such as rock concerts because of their durability. At Sam Ash, > the CS800X sells for $639 and the CS200 sells for $369 so I think that > asking $350 (plus s&h) is a pretty fair price. > > Please let me know OFF LIST if anyone is interested. > > Thanks, > > Steve Ginn > -- -- -- -- Larry Stites Golden Gate Networks 310 1/2 Broad Street Nevada City, CA 95959 530 478 7960 v 530 320 1497 c 530 478 8364 f ggnetworks@jps.net lstites@pacbell.net www.goldengatenetworks.com IM: LESGGN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 11:46:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08776; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:45:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:45:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16f.addec07.29cf4a8e@aol.com> References: <16f.addec07.29cf4a8e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:43:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? Cc: Lena Strayhorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:43 AM -0500 3/24/02, David Beardsley wrote: >Last week the amazing Steve Sandberg showed up, but >this week I was out of town. Any one new show up? and Harry Esq. asked: >i'm sorry i couldn't make it yesterday either - and won't be able to >be there until mid-april what with vacation and all - i will be >checking email to keep up on happenings though - hey tom, any chance >of a compilation cd of our first few weeks? i'd love to be able to >hear some of it - regards to all - and happy holidays to those who >celebrate It was quite different from the usual. I knew that we were going to have few of our regulars, at least I knew that David, Lena, Harry and Pedro (s'that right?) were out of town. We had Tobi Joi, a cool Swiss musician playing his home-brewed Alphorn through an EDP. He can only come from 1pm to 2pm (he works) and we're going to feature him next week at 1pm and try to get people out for it (he's never had much of an audience because he plays so early). My old pal Jeremy Halpern showed up and did live looping with a little Yamaha sequencer (a QY-70). I didn't play too much at all :-D and even brought a book to read to keep me away from the instruments ("The Mothman Prophecies", HIGHLY recommended, also see the film if you can.) There were some visitors from Looper's Delight, at least one of whom wanted to play next week and should contact me as I totally forgot who you were! I heard some looper gossip too but shan't reveal it. We did well on paid admissions too (at $2 you can hardly go wrong). We're going to change things around this Saturday by having some assigned slots for players. Several people have asked me for this so that they can tell their friends when to show up to see them. Contact me soonest if you want a slot. Or, just drop by with gear. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 11:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08899; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:46:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:46:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:46:32 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: DIY Guitar Project Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C9F50B7.40206@cabq.gov> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm I missing something? I see no word "Klein Copy" on that page at all. Mark On Monday, March 25, 2002, at 08:30 AM, Jason Fink wrote: > > Hey, some of you guys might be interested in this guitar project > I've got going right now... > > http://dimbulb.org > > Follow the 'Klein Copy' link on the front page. > > This is the first guitar I have ever built... a bit of an adventurous > undertaking, > but its turning out great so far! > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 11:59:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09506; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:57:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:57:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9F56AC.6000709@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:56:12 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: DIY Guitar Project References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe my link colors dont show up the same with all browsers and operating systems... here is the direct link (hiding on my server here at work, which is strictly forbidden). http://gisweb.cabq.gov/klein/ -jas Albuquerque Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I'm I missing something? I see no word "Klein Copy" on that page at all. > > Mark > > On Monday, March 25, 2002, at 08:30 AM, Jason Fink wrote: > >> >> Hey, some of you guys might be interested in this guitar project >> I've got going right now... >> >> http://dimbulb.org >> >> Follow the 'Klein Copy' link on the front page. >> >> This is the first guitar I have ever built... a bit of an adventurous >> undertaking, >> but its turning out great so far! >> later, >> -jas >> Albuquerque >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 12:04:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11185; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:03:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:03:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c1d41f$00df3f70$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: DIY Guitar Project Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:03:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was able to view it with IE6, but the page uses frames, perhaps your browser doesn't like frames? Try flying direct to where the link he mentioned really goes: http://gisweb.cabq.gov/klein/ cool project! (I'll stick to software, thanks :) Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: OT: DIY Guitar Project > I'm I missing something? I see no word "Klein Copy" on that page at all. > > Mark > > On Monday, March 25, 2002, at 08:30 AM, Jason Fink wrote: > > > > > Hey, some of you guys might be interested in this guitar project > > I've got going right now... > > > > http://dimbulb.org > > > > Follow the 'Klein Copy' link on the front page. > > > > This is the first guitar I have ever built... a bit of an adventurous > > undertaking, > > but its turning out great so far! > > later, > > -jas > > Albuquerque > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 12:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12851; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:42:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:42:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:41:43 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT: DIY Guitar Project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00f201c1d424$53d7b040$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <90.233cc5f7.29cf2249@aol.com> <074901c1d418$4a0faf10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <009b01c1d419$2fb3ada0$080210ac@jpalmer> <3C9F50B7.40206@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool. how could you have a shop like that and not make your own axe? is the chamber on the klein just the electronics route? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: OT: DIY Guitar Project > > Hey, some of you guys might be interested in this guitar project > I've got going right now... > > http://dimbulb.org > > Follow the 'Klein Copy' link on the front page. > > This is the first guitar I have ever built... a bit of an adventurous > undertaking, > but its turning out great so far! > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 12:43:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12853; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9F642F.5D2E@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:53:52 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig spam-this week-lotsa looping References: <5D0DD3CB24A6D511A9CD0008C745EA4C0102DFA3@abnymx1.corp.about.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8pHCCC.A.dID.nF2n8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Land of the Blind http://www.landoftheblind.com will be playing every other Tuesday beginning tomarrow from 6 to 9 at World Grounds Coffee Shop, 3726 MacArthur Blvd Oakland,Ca.(510-482-2933) for free! We will also play 19 Broadway in Fairfax,Ca. (Wednesday at 10pm) Blind are; Cyoakha(azigza,lotb)vocals,harmonium,looping Krystof(lotb)keyboards,Sitar,Digjeridoo Roland(psuedo buddha,azigza,tabla rasa,evil mothers)percussion me (bogo,basscapes,thoth-yes that was my former bandmate accepting the Oscar last night)fretless basses,cello,oud, looping... World Grounds will be more Trancey,Loopy.. 19 Broadway more Tribal,Funkey.. Peace, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 12:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13177; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:47:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:47:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQXrI4Bir95LTsrkDG6FE3AoHO0WQIUS1vjEgRo8ja5MsoqI9mvKWTsLWI= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:46:48 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Soundart Message-ID: <8247-3C9F6288-2043@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Graham, Lindsay" 's message of Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:17:09 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can the virtual guitar be used in live situations without a computer or laptop. This thing looks great, I've got all kinds of visions from a rhythmical, drummer perspective. We could to to the guitar what the drum machine did to the drums. (no offense to guitar players, nothing can replace a virtuoso) but this opens up a whole new world of FSU. In Rhythm' Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 12:50:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13349; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <69.24422369.29d0bcb7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:47:35 EST Subject: alesis air-snyth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there are several patches that you can sellect the bpm and create loops, mostly bell/percussive sounds.....it seems as if whatever you send in with the inputs just goes through the box and is not effected, it acts as its own sound source.....i have now placed the air-synth in front of the air-fx, madcap!.....i can now replace my casio at gigs with the air-synth ( i just use goofy sounds to create loops ) and the a-s is goofy enuf.....it is truely "toy-like" but a good number of the sounds are quite nice.....some interesting pads, the bell-bubble sounds will be great once i learn to bend them to my will!.....more later, its going "nuts" right now and i must tame it.....michael k (the k stands for killdozer) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 13:08:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15474; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:07:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:07:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C9B5@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." 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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D427.873783E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 14:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21631; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:48:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:48:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9F7EC9.7FCC6857@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:47:22 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FiX! (and plug) Re: Adrenalinn MIDI noise References: <2C312424-3FA1-11D6-91BD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I just want to take the time to plug Rodger Linn's customer support. I sent an email about the midi noise on sunday night, and at 10 PM, there was a response from their customer support. Amazing. It turns out to be a known bug. They're sending me a new chip set which I should have tomorrow. So, I can't totally go into too much depth, as I just got the thing, but I'll start with a few first impressions... At first, I thought the distortions sounded a bit harsh in the upper midrange and high end. I was going direct into a SoundCraft F8 mixer and using monitors, or headphones I was not happy with the overall tone. I then found that there's a setting for using a direct (as I was) imput or going into a guitar amp. Even though I wasn't going into a guitar amp, I have to say it just sounds better in that setting. I'm not sure if it will replace my Digitech 2120 for distortion sounds, but I hope it might for smaller gigs. Second, the effects. Wow. The way they can be trigged via midi makes this box amost limitless. I wish it had a bit more delay time (you get 1 second) but the filters sound great. Again, Ineed to delve in a bit deeper and tailor the presets to my needs. There are 100 presets (and 100 user slots), and a lot of them are already great. From subtle to weird. Sure would be nice if this box were stereo all the way, but at under $300, you could always buy 2! (yes, I'm already thinking about that....) and then the drums. I didn't have time to go through all of them... some seem cool, others cheese. I'm really not sure how I feel about tacking a very limited beat box to a guitar effect processor. I did a few things were I had the drums route through a seperate imput and into the mixer, and would occaisionally mix them in for a variation of the drum track I already had going, and it seemed to work well. Will I program my own drums into this box? I doubt it, but maybe. My Roland MC-307 is such a nice dedicated groove machine, and the Adrenalinn IS NOT. However, if you don't have a drum machine, or are looking to make a micro rig for easy moving, this could probably be used to your advantage. The user interface is clean and easy to use. I was able to start tweaking very quickly. Pretty intuitive. Missing? Headphone jack. This would be a great addition for those looking to practice quietly. Also missing? There is NO way to step through presets. You'll need a midi controller, or tweak it's preset knobby by hand. The foot switches control beat start/stop and bypass/tempo. That's it. I thought that was kind of weird. I'll probably keep this on a table top. I hope they do really well with this product. It's a winner for sure. I'd like to see an Adrenalinn PRO in the future with better foot control and stereo in and out, as well as dedicated drum outputs. Put in a better drum/bass sequencer, and this baby could save you a lot of back strain. Mark Sottilaro Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey gang, > > I did a search on the archives, and came up blank, so I'll put this > question out to you. I'm checking out an Adrenalinn, and I must say, > it's a fun little machine. Sounds great... until I plug a midi clock > into it. Then I get this staticy clicking when ever I'm playing. I > assume it's always there and being gated out when there's no signal. As > soon as I unplug the midi, it's there again. I tried all sorts of > cable arraingments, but to no avail. Any ideas? Other than that, this > box is a keeper. (It's replacing a Roland EF303, which I felt sucks in > all regards) Though I wish it had a stereo input so it fit in my > Repeater effects loop nicely. > > I know I can use it as a clock source, but that's really a pain in the > butt.... > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 14:51:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21828; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:50:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:50:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9F7F6F.2C290112@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:50:08 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: DIY Guitar Project References: <000801c1d41f$00df3f70$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got it with the direct link. Thanks. Bob Campbell wrote: > I was able to view it with IE6, but the page uses frames, perhaps your > browser doesn't like frames? > > Try flying direct to where the link he mentioned really goes: > http://gisweb.cabq.gov/klein/ > > cool project! (I'll stick to software, thanks :) > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: OT: DIY Guitar Project > > > I'm I missing something? I see no word "Klein Copy" on that page at all. > > > > Mark > > > > On Monday, March 25, 2002, at 08:30 AM, Jason Fink wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey, some of you guys might be interested in this guitar project > > > I've got going right now... > > > > > > http://dimbulb.org > > > > > > Follow the 'Klein Copy' link on the front page. > > > > > > This is the first guitar I have ever built... a bit of an adventurous > > > undertaking, > > > but its turning out great so far! > > > later, > > > -jas > > > Albuquerque > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 15:03:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24106; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:01:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:01:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1d436$49be1100$ca5630d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:49:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1D436.20544280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4bFN_.A.R3F.kH4n8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1D436.20544280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1D436.20544280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1D436.20544280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 15:15:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25127; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:13:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:13:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9F862C.642FE10C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:28:40 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: DIY Guitar Project References: <90.233cc5f7.29cf2249@aol.com> <074901c1d418$4a0faf10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <009b01c1d419$2fb3ada0$080210ac@jpalmer> <3C9F50B7.40206@cabq.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason Fink wrote: > Hey, some of you guys might be interested in this guitar project > I've got going right now... > > http://dimbulb.org > > Follow the 'Klein Copy' link on the front page. > > This is the first guitar I have ever built... a bit of an adventurous > undertaking, > but its turning out great so far! > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque hey this is cool jason. now i'm geting inspired... lance g. ps nice collection of block planes! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 15:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29325; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:57:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:57:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:09:49 -0600 Message-ID: <005f01c1d449$c8646b90$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: Stuff for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got the Planet Earth module last week ($399. on blowout from www.zzounds.com) I've been using it with my Zendrum & I love it ! I think Tom Roady uses the same setup (is that correct Tom?), and I've been meaning to ask; 'Tom, do you have any specialized Zendrum mappings or Planet Earth kits that are particular favorites?' I do find the programming on the Zendrum to be a little tedious, and the pre-set layouts are not ideally setup for use with Planet Earth (or most of my other modules). I'd be particularly interested in any velocity switched kit mappings for the ZD, and also curious to know which instruments you map to which triggers too. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Stites" To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Stuff for sale > on 3/22/02 5:50 AM, M. Steven Ginn at sginn@airmail.net wrote: > > I am expanding my Zen Drum capabilities from simply drum set sounds to > various other sounds - would your Proteus 2000 with Protozoa card include > world percussion sounds and loops? I am thinking of buying the new E-MU > Planet Earth and listed right below that in the Full Compass cataloug is the > Proteus 2000... > > Also I want to play through two amps. I have one Peavey currently and your > Peavey sounds like a good addition. Do you have pics to send of both the > Proteus and the Peavey? > > > I am thinking of putting up the following items for sale on ebay but > > thought I would offer to those here first. > > > > Proteus 2000 with Protozoa card (which includes the Proteus 1, 2 & 3). > > Racked only in non-smoking studio and is up to date with the latest OS > > upgrade from EMU. It's a great synth/rompler for wind control (I'll > > even leave my programmed wind patches on it to use as an example) and in > > many respects is even more responsive than my Roland JV1010. I have all > > the manuals, etc. to go with it. Even the box for the Protozoa! The > > street price is around $950, but I am asking $750 (plus s&h). > > > > MOTU 1224 Expansion Unit (means it doesn't include the PCI-324 card). A > > 24 bit computer based digital audio harddisk recording unit for Mac or > > Windows. The analog to digital converters are some of the best that > > MOTU makes and are comparable to some higher end units out there. I > > only used this for one recording project and the quality is incredible. > > I have all the original manuals, etc. and like the P2K has been racked > > in a non-smoking studio. The street price is approximately $875, and I > > am asking only $650 (plus s&h). > > > > Peavy CS 400 Stereo Power Amp. Peavy doesn't even make this power range > > anymore. They only make the 200 and the 800 with nothing in between. > > This amp is rock solid and weighs about 50 pounds. It is 3 rack spaces > > and can be configured as a stereo 200 w/ch, or mono 400 w amp. If you > > don't know anything about these amps, they are most often used in major > > shows such as rock concerts because of their durability. At Sam Ash, > > the CS800X sells for $639 and the CS200 sells for $369 so I think that > > asking $350 (plus s&h) is a pretty fair price. > > > > Please let me know OFF LIST if anyone is interested. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve Ginn > > > > -- -- -- -- > > Larry Stites > Golden Gate Networks > 310 1/2 Broad Street > Nevada City, CA 95959 > > 530 478 7960 v > 530 320 1497 c > 530 478 8364 f > ggnetworks@jps.net > lstites@pacbell.net > www.goldengatenetworks.com > IM: LESGGN > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 16:44:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01257; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:43:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:43:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c1d37d$16ad1860$da64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203231832.NAA12215@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: SAN FRANCISCO LOOPERS alert!!! Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:44:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey San Francisco loopers, I have really wanted to get the chance to perform with Matthias Grob before he has to return to Brazil in a couple of weeks. Does anyone know of a small venue (or large private residence) where we can throw a mini looping festival in San Francisco at the last minute for the weekend of April 5,6? Matt Davignon? Mark Sottilaro? John Wagner? any ideas.................? ............c'mon guys, San Francisco has still never had a looping festival (and this, the city that birthed the fabulous CT-One Collective). Please let me know. Someone must, at least, know someone with a large house or living room where we could do an intimate 'house concert'. I would kick in some dough to make it happen. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 16:56:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01843; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:55:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:55:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C9C2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: re looping at metheny group concert Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:55:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D447.CACF3BF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D447.CACF3BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, picked this out of a review (in today's l.a. times) of pmg's concert in l.a. over the weekend. thought it might be of interest here. "(Cuong ) Vu's use of electronic repetition devices to expand his solo trumpeting into huge orchestral sounds." sounds like looping to me. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D447.CACF3BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable re looping at metheny group concert

howdy,

picked this out of a review (in today's l.a. times) = of pmg's concert in l.a. over the weekend. thought it might be of = interest here.

"(Cuong ) Vu's use of electronic repetition = devices to expand his solo trumpeting into huge orchestral = sounds."

sounds like looping to me.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D447.CACF3BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 17:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04927; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:36:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:36:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <76.198be4fa.29d1003e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:35:42 EST Subject: Re: SAN FRANCISCO LOOPERS alert!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.198be4fa.29d1003e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_76.198be4fa.29d1003e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/02 4:42:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > San Francisco has still never had a looping > festival (and this, the city that birthed the fabulous CT-One Collective). i never knew this.....interesting.....but perhaps i cornfuse the CT-ONE COLLECTIVE with the CT-COLLECTIVE (birthed by the "world" of loopers).....michael k (k is for kornfused) p.s. let me know about this event, i will try to make it --part1_76.198be4fa.29d1003e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/02 4:42:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


San Francisco has still never had a looping
festival (and this, the city that birthed the fabulous CT-One Collective).


i never knew this.....interesting.....but perhaps i cornfuse the CT-ONE COLLECTIVE with the CT-COLLECTIVE (birthed by the "world" of loopers).....michael k (k is for kornfused)
p.s. let me know about this event, i will try to make it --part1_76.198be4fa.29d1003e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 17:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06187; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:58:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:02:31 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1d459$87867b80$3e6b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, Tom, et al. - I wasn't able to make it this week, was in a rather altered state/spent most of the weekend wondering what my frets were trying to tell me :) David - really enjoyed your show last Thursday. How did you feel about the recording? best regards, Pedro -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Date: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:43 AM Subject: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? Last week the amazing Steve Sandberg showed up, but this week I was out of town. Any one new show up? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 18:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08607; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001e01c1d392$ffa3dee0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <16f.addec07.29cf4a8e@aol.com> <001e01c1d392$ffa3dee0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:19:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9eeJiB.A.UGC.wC7n8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Last time I saw Tom, his cut finger was worse (infected) It's actually much better now though it still looks bad. >and he was having problems with the server for ExtremeNY (I see >the calendar is still down). Yes, this will occupy a lot of this weekend. the server's back up but there are "issues" with the new server. >And...if they taped it on Saturday, >they now have at least 30 hours of material to pick from. Yes, we most certainly did tape it all though we missed about an hour. I have this weird phenomenon where the DAT suddenly declares that it can't understand the digital signal and stops recording and then later starts again... even if I turn the unit on and off it doesn't fix it... I'll be working to get CDs out fairly soon... in a couple of weeks anyway. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 18:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09432; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:33:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:33:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <146.bb97109.29d10d7d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:32:13 EST Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_146.bb97109.29d10d7d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <5oev8.A.HTC.uO7n8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_146.bb97109.29d10d7d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/02 6:20:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes: > I'll be working to get CDs out fairly soon... in a couple > of weeks anyway. > tom.....will these be for general consumption? if so, sign me up please.....michael k --part1_146.bb97109.29d10d7d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/02 6:20:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes:


I'll be working to get CDs out fairly soon... in a couple
of weeks anyway.


tom.....will these be for general consumption?  if so, sign me up please.....michael k --part1_146.bb97109.29d10d7d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 18:42:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10036; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:40:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:40:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <146.bb97109.29d10d7d@aol.com> References: <146.bb97109.29d10d7d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:38:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:32 PM -0500 3/25/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >tom.....will these be for general consumption? if so, sign me up >please.....michael k Oooh-er. Interesting question. Well, my lovely partner Lena was going to learn to edit and then edit these down just for laughs. Is there any interest in a short-run CD?? /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 18:53:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11191; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:52:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:52:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <17c.5aa1b69.29d1120b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:51:39 EST Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17c.5aa1b69.29d1120b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17c.5aa1b69.29d1120b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/02 6:39:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes: > Is there any interest in a short-run CD?? > what a silly question! i personally will send you several big screen tvs for a copy of one!.....or do we have to come to n.y. to collect?.....ill be there soon, really want to spend a saturday and meet some east coast loopers.....michael k --part1_17c.5aa1b69.29d1120b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/02 6:39:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes:


Is there any interest in a short-run CD??


what a silly question! i personally will send you several big screen tvs for a copy of one!.....or do we have to come to n.y. to collect?.....ill be there soon, really want to spend a saturday and meet some east coast loopers.....michael k --part1_17c.5aa1b69.29d1120b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 18:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11214; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:52:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:52:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re looping at metheny group concert Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:52:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2002 23:52:05.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[112DA860:01C1D458] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >"(Cuong ) Vu's use of electronic repetition devices to expand his solo >trumpeting into huge orchestral sounds." I caught the Pat Metheny group when they came through Santa Cruz. This was an incredible show. Nearly 3 uninterupted hours of really progressive music. This band was able to elicit just about every emotion I can think of. I actually laughed out loud at some of the things they played! I can only remember a few times in my life where music alone made me laugh. Cuong Vu did a short looped trumpet solo which was cool, however it mostly consisted of a semi-long delay with feedback. The loop length and feedback didn't change at all, so while it sounded pretty good, it wasn't entirely interesting from a looping point of view. I felt he could have done A LOT more - especially considering his skill on the trumpet. Actually the solo made me quite uncomfortable for some reason, it sounded kind of like he was being tourtured... (just one of the emotions these musicians were able to elicit, probably on purpose). I highly recomend the show to anyone who enjoys music, there was something for everyone! Jon ps. in other news, apparently Scofield is using a Boss looper now (Show in Oakland, CA over the weekend). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 18:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11379; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:53:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:53:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <196.4594097.29d11255@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:52:53 EST Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_196.4594097.29d11255_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_196.4594097.29d11255_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you know there is ........ --part1_196.4594097.29d11255_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you know there is  ........ --part1_196.4594097.29d11255_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 18:59:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11817; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:58:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:58:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <105.1327dfa5.29d11368@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:57:28 EST Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_105.1327dfa5.29d11368_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_105.1327dfa5.29d11368_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you know there is ........ interest in a cd that is ...... --part1_105.1327dfa5.29d11368_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you know there is  ........
interest in a cd that is ...... --part1_105.1327dfa5.29d11368_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 19:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13190; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:00:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:00:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C9FBA05.15B6578B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:00:05 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SAN FRANCISCO LOOPERS alert!!! References: <200203231832.NAA12215@hemlock.violacea.com> <009a01c1d37d$16ad1860$da64f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3NbmkC.A.lND.Lo7n8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll put some feeler's out and see.... I'm playing a downtempo rave on the 6th, so I'd rather it be the 5th. I'd talk to the person holding the rave (we'd be perfect) but I know it's already booked with DJs. Mark Sottilaro "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Hey San Francisco loopers, > > I have really wanted to get the chance to perform with Matthias Grob before > he has to return to > Brazil in a couple of weeks. > > Does anyone know of a small venue (or large private residence) where we can > throw a mini looping festival > in San Francisco at the last minute for the weekend of April 5,6? > > Matt Davignon? Mark Sottilaro? John Wagner? any > ideas.................? > > ............c'mon guys, San Francisco has still never had a looping > festival (and this, the city that birthed the fabulous CT-One Collective). > > Please let me know. Someone must, at least, know someone with a large > house or living room where we could > do an intimate 'house concert'. I would kick in some dough to make it > happen. > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 19:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14122; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:19:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020326001903.51726.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:19:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re:Cuong Vu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200203252334.SAA09518@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Yeah, I saw PMG when they were here in Cleveland, and he was doing the same thing. I'm not sure what unit he was using, but it definitely sounded like he was using some kind of looping device. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 19:21:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14179; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:20:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:20:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Z Vex Fuzz Factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200203252334.SAA09518@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? I've been contemplating getting one for the last couple years, but would like to know a little about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 19:29:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14576; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:28:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:28:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <168.af2e616.29d11a59@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:27:05 EST Subject: alesis air-synth.....some thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not having a second mic. stand for the air-synth, i have been "playing" it by holding it and using both hands to move the thing about, seems to be more subtle control than if the box were stationary.....let me know what you hear if you play the air-synth as if it were your hand against the air-fx, dome to dome kind of.....got a "walking bass" loop happening on the air-s that i played my *g* over and it was indeed fun, the little looping that the synth does is cool, any loop in a storm ya know!.....i have returned it to my mixer and it now eventually gets to the air-fx at some point rather than loopless direct infussion.....i think it can become a most hip "live" instument provided you are sporting the approved LD tinfoil hat, prepare to be worshiped!.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 19:31:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14658; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C9CA@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Z Vex Fuzz Factory Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:28:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D45D.3393DD20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D45D.3393DD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i know a bunch of people who have it and like it. one of the cool things about it is that you can just play the knobs (no notes needed) to get some wacked stuff.=20 stig -----Original Message----- From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 4:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Z Vex Fuzz Factory=20 Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? I've been contemplating getting one for the last couple years, but would like to know a little about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound?=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D May you never thirst! 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i know a bunch of people who have it and like it. one of = the cool things about it is that you can just play the knobs (no notes need= ed) to get some wacked stuff.

stig

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From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@yahoo.com]
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Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory?
I've been contemplating getting one for the last
couple years, but would like to know a little
about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as
warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound?

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris

"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of= flamingos?"-James Earl Jones

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D45D.3393DD20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 19:35:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15104; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:35:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.compact.dhs.org: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory Message-ID: <1017102874.3c9fc21ac17ca@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:34:34 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson References: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Chris Richards : > Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? > I've been contemplating getting one for the last > couple years, but would like to know a little > about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as > warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound? my girlfriend has the Fuzz Probe ... she loves it. i think it's cool too. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 20:09:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17966; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:07:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:07:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c1d462$85328a50$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> <1017102874.3c9fc21ac17ca@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:06:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i used to work with him (recording, not making pedals), and i did get to see some of his pedal work in progress at the time. he was very willing to describe/demonstrate what he was doing. basically, the fuzz factory is a germanium transistor fuzz pedal from Mars (complete with the import tariff ;-). it CAN make stock fuzz pedal tones, but it's actually easier to get crazy stuff out of it. take note of the warnings about feedback, they're true (although you may be that type ... ;-) it's very much geared to fuzz as serious tone shaping. it's a unique pedal, it'd be hard to find one that would sound just like it. and if you want to get a pedal that will use one battery for years, his definitely do that (so you could think of the high price tag as making up for the batteries you won't buy, ha! ;-). mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory > Quoting Chris Richards : > > Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? > > I've been contemplating getting one for the last > > couple years, but would like to know a little > > about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as > > warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound? > > my girlfriend has the Fuzz Probe ... she loves it. > > i think it's cool too. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 20:35:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19546; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:34:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:34:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:34:56 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002101c1d466$6fb57440$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01c1d459$87867b80$3e6b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <9OO4xB.A.7vE.HA9n8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" > David - > > really enjoyed your show last Thursday. How did you feel about the > recording? Here's what I wrote (on my web site) about the recording of last Wed.'s show: "Recent open loop jams at Chama have been a blast and my recent solo show there was quite successful. The DATape from the solo show came out nicely except for the 60 cycle hum during Drifting on a Sea of Drones. I don't know if others can hear it, but I can hear it hovering above the music towards the end. Like La Monte Young and Jon Catler, I tune my B = 60 cycles (A=426.7 instead of 440) because here in the USA, we hear that hum everywhere. The elevator, the refrigerator, the fans, the computers, the air conditioner... but the hum on that tape has all the nasty overtones of a ground loop. So the music is nice, but it is not a great recording. Raga Ebo and and For Xenakas came out just fine and I plan on having them up on MP3.com soon. I should get more tape from future shows. And they will probably be part of my next cd." And thanks for coming Pedro, Grace Period., Tom, Lena and everybody else! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 20:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19759; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:38:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:38:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:38:54 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003d01c1d466$fd2caa00$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Richards" > Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? > I've been contemplating getting one for the last > couple years, but would like to know a little > about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as > warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound? Yes. There is a bit a of a learning curve, but the tweekability is quite fun. Like someone else said, you can make quite a bit of noise with just the knobs. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 21:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22175; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:08:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:08:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <198.244a5e5.299dbaab@aol.com> References: <198.244a5e5.299dbaab@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:06:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Little line mixers Cc: Hedewa7@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:13 PM -0500 2/14/02, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >you could use a rane sm82 (1 rack space), but you'd have to modify the 'pan' >slider to become a second 'send'. >(i did this; my sm82 now has 2 pre-fader sends --- my rack-shite has been >down to 5-spaces, for a while: handy!). dt, Assuming you didn't perform this mod yourself, can you point us at someone who can whack the SM82's balance knob, and turn it into another send? This would be a very convenient change. Thanks, Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 21:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22779; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:23:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:23:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:22:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:20 PM -0800 3/25/02, Chris Richards wrote: >Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? >I've been contemplating getting one for the last >couple years, but would like to know a little >about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as >warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound? I have the Fuzz Probe, which is more-or-less a Fuzz Factory with the "Stab" stability knob controlled by a plate that can sense how far your foot is from it. This is a really fun device. For some settings it's like a mutant cross between a nasty fuzz and a wailing Theremin; how fun is that? This pedal is not what I go to for anything approaching normal fuzz, I have other pedals that are better for normal racket. The Fuzz Probe is for the special racket . Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ cbm@well.com | "Blind patriotism is more dangerous than http://www.xfade.com | no patriotism at all." - Benjamin Franklin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 25 21:25:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23001; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:24:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:24:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:25:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, i just got a zxex fuzz factory and it's not my cup of tea. are you interested in buying it? thanks monk on 3/25/02 7:20 PM, Chris Richards at kohntarkosz@yahoo.com wrote: > Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? > I've been contemplating getting one for the last > couple years, but would like to know a little > about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as > warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound? > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl > Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards? > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 00:07:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32372; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:06:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:06:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c1d483$730a8c80$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Cc: "Diji D" , "Pablo el Blanco" Subject: Gig SPAMs -Los Osos v. San Luis Obispo, CA March 28-29, 2002 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:02:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, This weekend tiny Los Osos, California will be challenging San Luis Obispo for the title of Looping Capital of the World! ;) ;) This bout will be held over two evenings: Thursday and Friday, March 28th and 29th, 2002. Round 1: Sweet Springs Saloon, Los Osos, California. 3-28-2002, 7 PM-midnight. Max Valentino and Andre LaFosse will be performing an duo set of improvised looping. They may be joined be a secret guest, depending upon travel circumstances. *** Rumors have it that a certain Doctor of Philosophy may also drop in to wreak sonic mayhem with a trio of Eventides, although it's not confirmed at this time. Round 2: Boo Boo Records, San Luis Obispo, California. 3-29-2002, 7-9 PM. Andre LaFosse and Max Valentino will perform solo sets in the Wax Museum. Andre will perform selections adapted from _Disruption_Theory_, while Max will be promoting his new release, _A_Caravan_of_Dreams_. Bring your own herbal tea. Round 3: Frog and Peach Pub, San Luis Obispo, California. 3-29-2002, 10 PM - 1:30 am. Max and Andre will join forces with Armatronix to rock the dancefloor at SLO's favorite (okay, only) English-style pub. Wear your Looper's Delight T-Shirt and get a free beer. Are you ready to rumble? -Hans Lindauer *** If anybody's coming south from the Bay Area on Thursday, Matthias Grob could use a ride. Please get in contact with him ASAP at matthias@grob.org (let me know also) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 00:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01266; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:41:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:41:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:41:19 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009201c1d488$daeb9ec0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <740nK.A.ST.BoAo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> At 4:20 PM -0800 3/25/02, Chris Richards wrote: Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? I've been contemplating getting one for the last couple years, but would like to know a little about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound? > I have the Fuzz Probe, which is more-or-less a Fuzz Factory with the "Stab" stability knob controlled by a plate that can sense how far your foot is from it. This is a really fun device. For some settings it's like a mutant cross between a nasty fuzz and a wailing Theremin; how fun is that? > This pedal is not what I go to for anything approaching normal fuzz, I have other pedals that are better for normal racket. The Fuzz Probe is for the special racket . Chris Playing the Probe into another fuzz gives a certain stealth-factor for moving from the more conventional racket to the more unhinged stuff. Just as Chris says... it's definitely in the *smirk* zone and *really* special for racket! One review on HC tells of someone playing a solo with his Fuzz Probe at a blues gig fronted by someone fairly popular. The frontman is quoted as turning to the guitarist and saying "Son... that's the sound of unemployment!" (Maybe THAT'S why I'm out of work right NOW!) -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 02:24:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07176; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:24:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:24:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.167.148.113] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SAN FRANCISCO LOOPERS alert!!! Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:23:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2002 07:23:07.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[13774BA0:01C1D497] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't had much luck booking things. The good thing is that a lot of arts spaces have opened up within the last 6 months or so. Unfortunately, I don't know their names or contact numbers. I've been trying to get in touch with the guys at Build, which is a space in the mission, but they have yet to return my emails or calls. Matt ---------------------------------------------- Hey San Francisco loopers, I have really wanted to get the chance to perform with Matthias Grob before he has to return to Brazil in a couple of weeks. Does anyone know of a small venue (or large private residence) where we can throw a mini looping festival in San Francisco at the last minute for the weekend of April 5,6? Matt Davignon? Mark Sottilaro? John Wagner? any ideas.................? ............c'mon guys, San Francisco has still never had a looping festival (and this, the city that birthed the fabulous CT-One Collective). Please let me know. Someone must, at least, know someone with a large house or living room where we could do an intimate 'house concert'. I would kick in some dough to make it happen. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 02:43:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08134; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:42:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:42:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:51:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? >I've been contemplating getting one for the last >couple years, but would like to know a little >about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as >warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound? > Oooh yeah, it's warped alright. Seriously so. No other fuzzbox sounds like the the FF. No other fuzzbox gets the range of tones of the FF. Most boxes have one "basic" tone and let you make small variations on that sound. Not the FF, Small knob movements will give you a completely different sound. This is good and bad. I stopped using my FF live just because I couldn't get the time to dial it in before each gig. However, I love it for recording and sound design kinda stuff. I've started using a Z-Vex Woolly Mammoth for live stuff lately, mostly on bass, but it sounds great on rhodes, synth, piccolo bass, etc, as well, and it's much more controllable than the FF. Still, they're both amazing pedals. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 07:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25104; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <003801c1d2a3$99462da0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Subject: Re: Whats up with my repeater...? Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:34:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C1D4CA.EA38AE30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2002 12:30:29.0261 (UTC) FILETIME=[039F73D0:01C1D4C2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C1D4CA.EA38AE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guys, I just dicovered what was happening wiv repeater, which is odd to = say the least, however im now not sure if its a fault. i did reinstall = the software, however the problem still exists (see orig post below). So those with repeaters, try this. Its SO easy to loop a drum loop onto = it (as described in the manual) BUT ONLY if its your FIRST loop/track. = Now try to record a drumloop onto the second track AFTER having already = defined the loop length... Now Ive tried everything.. midi mode from = drummachine to record a loop from it *(should keep it exactly the right = length to grab a perfect loop, try it... if you'all get it right, then I = DO have a problem, but i dont think i do... try it and let us know??? Mark Red, ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Om_Audio=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: RE: Whats up with my repeater...? Try re-installing the OS. =20 C =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: mark francombe [mailto:mark_francombe@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 4:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Whats up with my repeater...? =20 Just had a big prob wiv repeater... Its suddenly got this distorted, slightly chrunchy sound, and is = become all um(thinking of technical term) wobbley! The pitch warbles = about, and isnt synching. Tryed all synch modes.. and most worryingly... = It still does it if I only using internal memory and not the CFC!!!!! Does it have a "hard reset" or something... I admit that it had been = on for a while, maybe even a week, could it be hot??? =20 Havent tried yet this morning. Really dont wanna send it away, cos i = use it for work everyday, AND i live in Norway so its an expensive = postage, not to mention the hassle we have to go thru with customs on = return, can delay stuff a month!!! =20 HELP =20 MaRK RED ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C1D4CA.EA38AE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guys,  I just dicovered what was = happening wiv=20 repeater, which is odd to say the least, however im now not sure if its = a fault.=20 i did reinstall the software, however the problem still exists (see orig = post=20 below).
So those with repeaters, try this. Its = SO easy to=20 loop a drum loop onto it (as described in the manual) BUT ONLY if its = your FIRST=20 loop/track. Now try to record a drumloop onto the second track AFTER = having=20 already defined the loop length... Now Ive tried everything.. midi mode = from=20 drummachine to record a loop from it *(should keep it exactly the right = length=20 to grab a perfect loop, try it... if you'all get it right, then I DO = have a=20 problem, but i dont think i do...
 
try it and let us know???
 
Mark Red,
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Om_Audio
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 = 8:47=20 PM
Subject: RE: Whats up with my=20 repeater...?

Try = re-installing the=20 OS.

 

C

 

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = mark=20 francombe [mailto:mark_francombe@hotmail.= com]=20
Sent: Saturday, = March 23,=20 2002 4:28 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: Whats up with my=20 repeater...?

 

Just had a big prob wiv=20 repeater...

Its suddenly got this = distorted,=20 slightly chrunchy sound, and is become all um(thinking of technical = term)=20 wobbley! The pitch warbles about, and isnt synching. Tryed all synch = modes..=20 and most worryingly... It still does it if I only using internal = memory and=20 not the CFC!!!!!

Does it have a "hard = reset" or=20 something... I admit that it had been on for a while, maybe even a = week, could=20 it be hot???

 

Havent tried yet this = morning.=20 Really dont wanna send it away, cos i use it for work everyday, AND i = live in=20 Norway so its an expensive postage, not to mention the hassle we have = to go=20 thru with customs on return, can delay stuff a=20 month!!!

 

HELP

 

MaRK=20 RED

------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C1D4CA.EA38AE30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 10:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02285; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:01:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:01:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA08CEF.1050203@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:59:59 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory References: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Both the Fuzz Factory and the Fuzz Probe are great boxes and truly "warped" sound generators. I have a short mp3 clip that sorta illustrates the Fuzz Probe: http://gisweb.cabq.goc/cf2.mp3 It screams, and howls, and makes ugly noises. I love it. -jas Albuquerque Chris Richards wrote: >Anyone here familiar with the Z Vex Fuzz Factory? >I've been contemplating getting one for the last >couple years, but would like to know a little >about it for I drop that kind of money. Is it as >warped as the Z Vex website makes it sound? > >===== >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 10:36:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03583; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:32:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:32:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA0945D.2010407@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:31:41 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Corrected Fuzz Probe Link Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe some of you already figured this out but, here is the proper link for the Fuzz Probe clip: gisweb.cabq.gov/cf2.mp3 -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 10:44:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04402; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:42:45 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Z Vex Fuzz Factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01d001c1d4dc$dfcfb670$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020326002014.36239.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> <3CA08CEF.1050203@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have a short mp3 clip that sorta illustrates the Fuzz Probe: > > http://gisweb.cabq.goc/cf2.mp3 cool. very nipple! (link is .gov) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 10:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04209; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:42:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <17c.5aa1b69.29d1120b@aol.com> References: <17c.5aa1b69.29d1120b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:41:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: how was open loop/loopNY yesterday? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3R-fB.A.UBB.PbJo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >what a silly question! i personally will send you several big screen >tvs for a copy of one!.....or do we have to come to n.y. to >collect?.....ill be there soon, really want to spend a saturday and >meet some east coast loopers.....michael k Several big screen TVs??! wow! I've never owned a TV in my life! well, we'll get on it next week then. there may be a delay... (you don't have to come up with the TVs, either...) /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 12:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10367; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:10:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:10:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:09:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Whats up with my repeater...? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-200681087 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <461D5E7E-40DC-11D6-8ABE-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-200681087 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey, I think I may know why you've got a problem. You can't make a track a=20= different tempo. All four tracks are the same length and tempo. You=20 can change that various ways, but you're going to start loosing sound=20 quality (sometimes this is a feature!) the farther you get from the=20 original. You can make a *NEW* loop that is a different length/tempo,=20= but all tracks within that loop will be the same in respect to = eachother. Hope this helps, Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, at 04:34 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Guys,=A0 I just dicovered what was happening wiv repeater, which is = odd=20 > to say the least, however im now not sure if its a fault. i did=20 > reinstall the software, however the problem still exists (see orig = post=20 > below). > So those with repeaters, try this. Its SO easy to loop a drum loop = onto=20 > it (as described in the manual) BUT ONLY if its your FIRST loop/track.=20= > Now try to record a drumloop onto the second track AFTER having = already=20 > defined the loop length... Now Ive tried everything.. midi mode from=20= > drummachine to record a loop from it *(should keep it exactly the = right=20 > length to grab a perfect loop, try it... if you'all get it right, then=20= > I DO have a problem, but i dont think i do... > =A0 > try it and let us know??? > =A0 > Mark Red, > =A0 > =A0 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Om_Audio > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 8:47 PM > Subject: RE: Whats up with my repeater...? > > Try re-installing the OS. > > =A0 > > C > > =A0 > > =A0 > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark francombe [mailto:mark_francombe@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 4:28 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Whats up with my repeater...? > > =A0 > > Just had a big prob wiv repeater... > > Its suddenly got this distorted, slightly chrunchy sound, and is = become=20 > all um(thinking of technical term) wobbley! The pitch warbles about,=20= > and isnt synching. Tryed all synch modes.. and most worryingly... It=20= > still does it if I only using internal memory and not the CFC!!!!! > > Does it have a "hard reset" or something... I admit that it had been = on=20 > for a while, maybe even a week, could it be hot??? > > =A0 > > Havent tried yet this morning. Really dont wanna send it away, cos i=20= > use it for work everyday, AND i live in Norway so its an expensive=20 > postage, not to mention the hassle we have to go thru with customs on=20= > return, can delay stuff a month!!! > > =A0 > > HELP > > =A0 > > MaRK RED > --Apple-Mail-1-200681087 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey, I think I may know why you've got a problem. You can't make a track a different tempo. All four tracks are the same length and tempo. You can change that various ways, but you're going to start loosing sound quality (sometimes this is a feature!) the farther you get from the original. You can make a *NEW* loop that is a different length/tempo, but all tracks within that loop will be the same in respect to eachother. Hope this helps, Mark Sottilaro =20 On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, at 04:34 AM, mark francombe wrote: ArialGuys,=A0 I just dicovered what was happening wiv repeater, which is odd to say the least, however im now not sure if its a fault. i did reinstall the software, however the problem still exists (see orig post = below). ArialSo those with repeaters, try this. Its SO easy to loop a drum loop onto it (as described in the manual) BUT ONLY if its your FIRST loop/track. Now try to record a drumloop onto the second track AFTER having already defined the loop length... Now Ive tried everything.. midi mode from drummachine to record a loop from it *(should keep it exactly the right length to grab a perfect loop, try it... if you'all get it right, then I DO have a problem, but i dont think i do... =A0 Arialtry it and let us = know??? =A0 ArialMark = Red, =A0 =A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: = 0000,0000,FFFFOm_Audio To: = 0000,0000,FFFFLoopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: RE: Whats up with my repeater...? = Arial0000,0000,8080Try re-installing the OS. = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 = Arial0000,0000,8080C = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 Tahoma-----Original Message----- From: mark francombe = [0000,0000,FFFFmailto:mark_francombe@hotm= ail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 4:28 AM To: = 0000,0000,FFFFLoopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com Subject: Whats up with my = repeater...? Times New Roman=A0 ArialJust had a big prob wiv repeater... ArialIts suddenly got this distorted, slightly chrunchy sound, and is become all um(thinking of technical term) wobbley! The pitch warbles about, and isnt synching. Tryed all synch modes.. and most worryingly... It still does it if I only using internal memory and not the CFC!!!!! ArialDoes it have a "hard reset" or something... I admit that it had been on for a while, maybe even a week, could it be hot??? Times New Roman=A0 ArialHavent tried yet this morning. Really dont wanna send it away, cos i use it for work everyday, AND i live in Norway so its an expensive postage, not to mention the hassle we have to go thru with customs on return, can delay stuff a month!!! Times New Roman=A0 ArialHELP Times New Roman=A0 ArialMaRK RED = --Apple-Mail-1-200681087-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 13:07:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14535; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:06:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:06:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Robin.Bussell@axa-sunlife.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: AXA SUN LIFE@SUNLIFE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <80256B88.0062E8F3.00@10.7.40.1> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:51:02 +0000 Subject: Vortex schematics and old holtek chips Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI Folks, Good to be back on this list after a long absence (what *was* I thinking! ). I own a vortex and a while back I tried fitting in 256k DRAMS and made some good guesses at what to put in U10... Good news is my vortex is still working, bad news... no increased delay time :-( Maybe I guessed wrong on U10, maybe I need to go find me a DSP hacker. Anyway I was going through the list archives and came across the info that Kim has the vortex service manual and has twice tried to get it scanned to no avail... any more news on that front? I'd happily volunteer but living in the UK probably complicates things :-) I do have broadband however so maybe we could do it this way: 1) I paypal Kim some dosh to cover postage of a copy of the manual. 2) Manual arrives, I scan it and clean things up a bit. 3) I ftp the resulting files to some suitably receptive box.. or make them available on my server for Kim to download and post on the delight site for all to share. Sound good? On another line, does anyone know of a supplier of the (sadly obsolete) holtek HT8955A chip? radioshack used to sell it, it's a digital delay that really just needs a dram chip and a couple of op-amps bolting on to it to go up to 800ms and I fancy stringing about 16 of them together with feedback paths everywhere to make a nasty monster noisemaker thingy .... :-) Cheers, Robin. ==================================================================== The contents and any attachments of this electronic mail message are confidential and intended only for the named addressees. Dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use of the message or attachments by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions expressed in this message are personal and may not be attributed to AXA Sun Life or any member of the AXA Group of Companies. Internet e-mails are not necessarily secure. AXA Group does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 13:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14929; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:10:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:10:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:09:44 -0800 Subject: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <45thOD.A.-oD.GmLo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a dedicated website (besides Ebay!) where musicians buy and sell their used and sometimes new equipment? A site dedicated to musicians selling everything; drum sets, guitars, PA systems, sound modules, midi controllers, keyboards, CD's... Is there a site like that? I am in the market for a few things such as sound modules, a rack mount case, an amplifier, Echoplex and maybe another Zen Drum What might you have to sell? Thank you Larry Stites From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 13:14:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15308; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:13:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:13:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:12:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2002 18:12:30.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAF81F70:01C1D4F1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.harmony-central.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Stites" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? > Is there a dedicated website (besides Ebay!) where musicians buy and sell > their used and sometimes new equipment? A site dedicated to musicians > selling everything; drum sets, guitars, PA systems, sound modules, midi > controllers, keyboards, CD's... Is there a site like that? > > I am in the market for a few things such as sound modules, a rack mount > case, an amplifier, Echoplex and maybe another Zen Drum > > What might you have to sell? > > > Thank you > > Larry Stites > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 13:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15799; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:19:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:19:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c1d4f3$e4fcd1c0$2169aacf@pavilion> From: "Phil and Mary Bush" To: References: Subject: Re: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:27:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out HarmonyCentral.Com a great resource for buying selling and trading as well as lots of reviews on just about anything--just in case anyone's interested I'm selling a Vanous Evolution amp. Phil and Mary Bush (972) 382-2178 ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? > Is there a dedicated website (besides Ebay!) where musicians buy and sell > their used and sometimes new equipment? A site dedicated to musicians > selling everything; drum sets, guitars, PA systems, sound modules, midi > controllers, keyboards, CD's... Is there a site like that? > > I am in the market for a few things such as sound modules, a rack mount > case, an amplifier, Echoplex and maybe another Zen Drum > > What might you have to sell? > > > Thank you > > Larry Stites > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 13:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16174; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:25:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:25:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5D0DD3CB24A6D511A9CD0008C745EA4C0102DFCF@abnymx1.corp.about.com> From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:25:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D4F3.92378CA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D4F3.92378CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bought two things recently, not through ebay: www.harmony-central.com which is the musician's uber-site and has classifieds www.sonicstate.com which is synth/electro oriented, also has classified. Got a great deal on my RC-20 and my Sherman. Just no ebay guarantees the other party isn't going to stiff ya! Ben -----Original Message----- From: Larry Stites [mailto:ggnetworks@jps.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:10 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? Is there a dedicated website (besides Ebay!) where musicians buy and sell their used and sometimes new equipment? A site dedicated to musicians selling everything; drum sets, guitars, PA systems, sound modules, midi controllers, keyboards, CD's... Is there a site like that? I am in the market for a few things such as sound modules, a rack mount case, an amplifier, Echoplex and maybe another Zen Drum What might you have to sell? Thank you Larry Stites ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D4F3.92378CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment?

Bought two things recently, not through ebay:

www.harmony-central.com which is the musician's uber-site and has classifieds
www.sonicstate.com which is synth/electro oriented, also has classified.

Got a great deal on my RC-20 and my Sherman. Just no ebay guarantees the other party isn't going to stiff ya!

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Stites [mailto:ggnetworks@jps.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:10 AM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment?


Is there a dedicated website (besides Ebay!) where musicians buy and sell
their used and sometimes new equipment? A site dedicated to musicians
selling everything; drum sets, guitars, PA systems, sound modules, midi
controllers, keyboards, CD's... Is there a site like that?

I am in the market for a few things such as sound modules, a rack mount
case, an amplifier, Echoplex and maybe another Zen Drum

What might you have to sell?


Thank you

Larry Stites

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D4F3.92378CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 13:38:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17338; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:36:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:36:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:36:24 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Vortex schematics and old holtek chips To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <025101c1d4f5$2202cf10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <80256B88.0062E8F3.00@10.7.40.1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > HI Folks, > Good to be back on this list after a long absence (what *was* I > thinking! ). > I own a vortex and a while back I tried fitting in 256k DRAMS and made some > good guesses at what to put in U10... Good news is my vortex is still working, > bad news... no increased delay time :-( Maybe I guessed wrong on U10, maybe > I need to go find me a DSP hacker. won't you need to change the program (eprom?) to address new ram? >... > On another line, does anyone know of a supplier of the (sadly obsolete) holtek > HT8955A chip? radioshack used to sell it, it's a digital delay that really just > needs > a dram chip and a couple of op-amps bolting on to it to go up to 800ms and I > fancy stringing about 16 of them together with feedback paths everywhere to > make a nasty monster noisemaker thingy .... :-) > > Cheers, > Robin. > that sounds like a lot of fun. you might want to trademark that name (nasty monster noisemaker thingy) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 13:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17756; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:41:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: RE: Vortex schematics and old holtek chips Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:39:11 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000201c1d4f5$85919070$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <80256B88.0062E8F3.00@10.7.40.1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I live in the states(Chicago,IL) and have access to servers to post the Vortex service manual. If Kim was willing I would scan in the service manual and FTP the results. I work in web development for a museum here in Chicago, IL so I have access to the necessary equipment. Just letting everyone know that I'm up for the task if Kim is interested. Thanks, Kevin McPeak -----Original Message----- From: Robin.Bussell@axa-sunlife.co.uk [mailto:Robin.Bussell@axa-sunlife.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex schematics and old holtek chips HI Folks, Good to be back on this list after a long absence (what *was* I thinking! ). I own a vortex and a while back I tried fitting in 256k DRAMS and made some good guesses at what to put in U10... Good news is my vortex is still working, bad news... no increased delay time :-( Maybe I guessed wrong on U10, maybe I need to go find me a DSP hacker. Anyway I was going through the list archives and came across the info that Kim has the vortex service manual and has twice tried to get it scanned to no avail... any more news on that front? I'd happily volunteer but living in the UK probably complicates things :-) I do have broadband however so maybe we could do it this way: 1) I paypal Kim some dosh to cover postage of a copy of the manual. 2) Manual arrives, I scan it and clean things up a bit. 3) I ftp the resulting files to some suitably receptive box.. or make them available on my server for Kim to download and post on the delight site for all to share. Sound good? On another line, does anyone know of a supplier of the (sadly obsolete) holtek HT8955A chip? radioshack used to sell it, it's a digital delay that really just needs a dram chip and a couple of op-amps bolting on to it to go up to 800ms and I fancy stringing about 16 of them together with feedback paths everywhere to make a nasty monster noisemaker thingy .... :-) Cheers, Robin. ==================================================================== The contents and any attachments of this electronic mail message are confidential and intended only for the named addressees. Dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use of the message or attachments by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions expressed in this message are personal and may not be attributed to AXA Sun Life or any member of the AXA Group of Companies. Internet e-mails are not necessarily secure. AXA Group does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 14:14:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20733; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:13:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:13:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:17:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: OT: Gear for sale Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings Loopers. In an effort to expand my computer music system, I have to free up some cash, so The following items must go: Groove Tubes Trio 2 space rack mount 3 channel all tube preamp w/ three button footswitch and midi capability, and the manual. This went to the factory a couple of years ago to have the mono effects loop replaced by a stereo one, and to have the old footswitch cable replaced. perfect working order, fantastic sound. I'll kick myself eventually. Don't think these are available any longer $800 OBO DMC cabtone speaker simulater. direct box sized speaker simulater can be hooked up between a speaker and an amp or directly from a preamp out. has both 1/4 inch and XLR outs. great sounding, $100 firm Lexicon JAMMAN 32 seconds. will include Bob Sellion upgrade chip, both manuals and power supply. $500 OBO Roland GR1 guitar synth w/ expansion board,power supply and manual. DOES NOT include GK2a pickup or rcc cable $200 firm Please reply off list if you are interested, I will provide free shipping in the US. Get in touch with me soon as I am about to but these on EBAY. Thanks Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 14:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21717; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:34:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:33:05 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Gear for sale From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-fvBwC.A.DTF.80Mo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Greetings Loopers. In an effort to expand my computer music system, I have > to free up some cash, so The following items must go: > > Groove Tubes Trio 2 space rack mount 3 channel all tube preamp w/ three > button footswitch and midi capability, and the manual. This went to the > factory a couple of years ago to have the mono effects loop replaced by a > stereo one, and to have the old footswitch cable replaced. perfect working > order, fantastic sound. I'll kick myself eventually. Don't think these are > available any longer > $800 OBO > Thanks > Bill dont sell the trio,my man! yes they still make them and you will kick yourself and i will kick you too. i love this preamp and it seems you do too so dont let it get into the hands of a nonbeliever :-) s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 15:04:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23997; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:01:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:01:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <46.24beaa97.29d22d3c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:59:56 EST Subject: Re: Vortex & Holtek chip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > and came across the info that Kim has the vortex service manual and has > twice > tried > to get it scanned to no avail... any more news on that front? Yes, would look good on my Vortex site as well. > On another line, does anyone know of a supplier of the (sadly obsolete) > holtek > HT8955A chip? radioshack used to sell it, it's a digital delay that really I think I actually have one of those chips! (in a Maplin project) so try Maplins ..but I looked on their web site (maplin.co.uk) and no sign of it there. They probably have something you can use however, always worth getting their catalog CD which is loaded with datasheets. I probably have the datasheet if you need it Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 15:26:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25547; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:24:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:24:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020326141116.00cbb5b0@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:12:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: Vortex schematics and old holtek chips In-Reply-To: <80256B88.0062E8F3.00@10.7.40.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try Steve at Small Bear Electronics, http://www.smallbearelec.com for the Holtek chips Lorren Blackbox Music Electronics http://www.blackboxmusicfx.com At 05:51 PM 3/26/02 +0000, you wrote: >HI Folks, > Good to be back on this list after a long absence (what > *was* I >thinking! ). >I own a vortex and a while back I tried fitting in 256k DRAMS and made some >good guesses at what to put in U10... Good news is my vortex is still working, >bad news... no increased delay time :-( Maybe I guessed wrong on U10, maybe >I need to go find me a DSP hacker. Anyway I was going through the list >archives >and came across the info that Kim has the vortex service manual and has twice >tried >to get it scanned to no avail... any more news on that front? >I'd happily volunteer but living in the UK probably complicates things :-) >I do >have broadband however so maybe we could do it this way: >1) I paypal Kim some dosh to cover postage of a copy of the manual. >2) Manual arrives, I scan it and clean things up a bit. >3) I ftp the resulting files to some suitably receptive box.. or make them >available > on my server for Kim to download and post on the delight site for all to >share. > >Sound good? > >On another line, does anyone know of a supplier of the (sadly obsolete) holtek >HT8955A chip? radioshack used to sell it, it's a digital delay that really >just >needs >a dram chip and a couple of op-amps bolting on to it to go up to 800ms and I > fancy stringing about 16 of them together with feedback paths everywhere to >make a nasty monster noisemaker thingy .... :-) > >Cheers, > Robin. > > > > >==================================================================== >The contents and any attachments of this electronic mail message are >confidential and intended only for the named addressees. > >Dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use of the message >or attachments by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. >Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions expressed in this message >are personal and may not be attributed to AXA Sun Life or any member >of the AXA Group of Companies. > >Internet e-mails are not necessarily secure. AXA Group does not accept >responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 15:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27028; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020326025205.006dcbf4@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:52:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Attention Dallas - Fort Worth Loopers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Michael Clark here. I would like to get a list of Loopers living in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Maybe we could get together and jam (I have a rehearsal space), learn something from each other or do something live. Why let CA and NY have all the fun? This Is Texas, y'all know! Just send me an email. mailto:mcl451@airmail.net Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 16:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30988; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c1d4dc$d623d250$3df8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: midi cabling...quality cables? Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:42:27 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've just about got my rack configured right and now it's time to go about connecting all my midi gear. here's the question: how much does the quality of the midi cable affect the signals sent? since there's not sound signal being passed, i would think one could get away with using far less expensive midi cables. opinions and brand suggestions. fwiw, i'm connecting the following units: rocktron all access, sherman filterbank (possibly), eventide 7K, switchblade 8b, edp (maybe). thanks for the advice. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 18:35:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05599; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:32:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:32:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:34:42 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3CA10592.424B1876@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <007401c1d4dc$d623d250$3df8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: <7zuzV.A.AXB.RTQo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Midi cables are digital - the signal either gets there or it doesn't. Lower quality cables are more likely to stop working eventually. However, I've had good luck with Hosa cables, which are inexpensive. Jimmy Fowler wrote: > i've just about got my rack configured right and now it's time to go about > connecting all my midi gear. here's the question: > > how much does the quality of the midi cable affect the signals sent? since > there's not sound signal being passed, i would think one could get away with > using far less expensive midi cables. opinions and brand suggestions. > > fwiw, i'm connecting the following units: > > rocktron all access, sherman filterbank (possibly), eventide 7K, switchblade > 8b, edp (maybe). > > thanks for the advice. > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 18:49:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06375; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:47:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:47:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020311212158.25262.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <007401c1d4dc$d623d250$3df8c440@g0wn7> <3CA10592.424B1876@optonline.net> Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables? Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:46:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2002 23:46:41.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AAF40A0:01C1D520] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Midi cables are digital - the signal either gets there or it doesn't. That's not completely accurate, but it is for midi cables. Digital cables such as spdif can suffer from jitter and lag. On it's own, it's not all that noticeable, but it can make digital gear lose synch, which is very noticeable. > Lower quality cables are more likely to stop working eventually. > However, I've had good luck with Hosa cables, which are inexpensive. > Yeah. What he said. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 19:07:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08729; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:04:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:04:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Club Galia Friday, 9 pm to 10:30 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:03:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0099_01C1D4DF.C9009A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2002 00:03:36.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[D76B6AB0:01C1D522] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C1D4DF.C9009A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Baring the unforeseen, I'm going to try to be at Club Galia on Friday = night - between 21st and 22nd street on Mission.=20 =20 Let me warn you - it's a strange place. The ambience leaves uhh, = something to be desired. They have people dressed as clowns running = around all night. I haven't been able to find out why. =20 The music, on the other hand, well, the music will leave something to be = desired too, since it will be=20 =20 ME! =20 I'm on the main floor, during the much coveted 9 pm to 10:30 slot, when = absolutely no-one has arrived yet, and the janitors are still cleaning = up from the night before. (Yes, they're apparently confident enough in = my talents to graduate me from playing the empty room in the back to = playing to the empty room in the front. What's next? A free drink? = Wohoo!!) Anyway, since I'm in the main room this time, it'll be louder = :> =20 bIz ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C1D4DF.C9009A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

Baring the unforeseen, I'm going to try to be at = Club Galia=20 on Friday night - between 21st and 22nd=20 street on=20 Mission. =

 

Let=20 me warn you - it's a strange place. The ambience leaves uhh, something = to be=20 desired. They have people dressed as clowns running around all night. I = haven't=20 been able to find out why.

 

The=20 music, on the other hand, well, the music will leave something to be = desired=20 too, since it will be

 

ME!

 

I'm=20 on the main floor, during the much coveted 9 pm=20 to 10:30 slot, when absolutely no-one has arrived yet, and = the=20 janitors are still cleaning up from the night before. (Yes, they're = apparently=20 confident enough in my talents to graduate me from playing the empty = room in the=20 back to playing to the empty room in the front. What's next? A free = drink?=20 Wohoo!!) Anyway, since I'm in the main room this time, it'll be louder=20 :>

 

bIz

------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C1D4DF.C9009A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 19:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09876; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:24:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:24:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:19:18 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: SAN FRANCISCO LOOPERS alert!!! In-reply-to: <009a01c1d37d$16ad1860$da64f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200203231832.NAA12215@hemlock.violacea.com> <009a01c1d37d$16ad1860$da64f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:44 PM -0800 3/24/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Does anyone know of a small venue (or large private residence) where we can >throw a mini looping festival in San Francisco at the last minute >for the weekend of April 5,6? I plan to be in the Bay Area that weekend. I'd be free on the 5th or possibly the afternoon if the 6th or 7th. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 20:10:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13496; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:08:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:08:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c1ecb6$b37cfb40$9f63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203261829.NAA16598@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: sites to buy/sell music Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:09:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No one seems to have mentioned DIGIBID.com yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 20:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13960; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:15:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:15:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA11D1F.E45A3938@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:13:47 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Club Galia Friday, 9 pm to 10:30 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude! I'd love to go... but I've already commited to going to a passover sedar. If it ends early, I'll try to get over there. If not, good luck. Mark Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > Baring the unforeseen, I'm going to try to be at Club Galia on Friday > night - between 21st and 22nd street on Mission. > > Let me warn you - it's a strange place. The ambience leaves uhh, > something to be desired. They have people dressed as clowns running > around all night. I haven't been able to find out why. > > The music, on the other hand, well, the music will leave something to > be desired too, since it will be > > ME! > > I'm on the main floor, during the much coveted 9 pm to 10:30 slot, > when absolutely no-one has arrived yet, and the janitors are still > cleaning up from the night before. (Yes, they're apparently confident > enough in my talents to graduate me from playing the empty room in the > back to playing to the empty room in the front. What's next? A free > drink? Wohoo!!) Anyway, since I'm in the main room this time, it'll be > louder :> > > bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 20:35:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14893; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:34:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:34:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c1d530$7157a3c0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: Subject: Places that accept donated gear Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:40:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01C1D506.8711DF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C1D506.8711DF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone has any gear they don't want anymore, let me know what the = gear is and I'll take it off your hands. Especially would like old = synthesizers, effects pedals, guitars, et al. Just kidding. It's almost April 1st. But, if anyone would like an Atari 1040 STE w/whopping 40MB hard drive & = color monitor, let me know. Ahhhh. My old Cubase platform. I just = pitched the Laser printer used with it. It was hard seeing it sit there = out in the snow. Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C1D506.8711DF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyone has any gear they don't want = anymore, let=20 me know what the gear is and I'll take it off your hands. Especially = would like=20 old synthesizers, effects pedals, guitars, et al.
 
Just kidding. It's almost April = 1st.
 
But, if anyone would like an Atari 1040 = STE=20 w/whopping 40MB hard drive & color monitor, let me know. Ahhhh. My = old=20 Cubase platform. I just pitched the Laser printer used with it. It was = hard=20 seeing it sit there out in the snow.
 
Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C1D506.8711DF20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 20:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15144; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:35:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:35:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: NYC Gig Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:40:16 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1d538$ba537100$f768580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please note: I will be performing at Chama (332 East 4th Street, betwixt avenues C/D 646-654-6472) on Thursday 28, March 2002 at 9:30 p.m. I aggressively loop utilizing Digitech delays and an EDP and will be performing solo for what I am expecting will be a three+ hour show. I'm not big on breaks, but may try to get 20 min in. For those of you who have heard me, i'd love to see you so that I can have ya'll hear what I sound like with my normal rig in an extended setting. For those who haven't heard me, well I guess this is your chance. oh and at $2 the gig leaves pocket change for chai. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 20:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15354; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:37:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:37:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:35:51 -0800 Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Midi cables are digital - the signal either gets there or it doesn't. > > That's not completely accurate, but it is for midi cables. Digital cables > such as spdif can suffer from jitter and lag. On it's own, it's not all that > noticeable, but it can make digital gear lose synch, which is very > noticeable. > >> Lower quality cables are more likely to stop working eventually. >> However, I've had good luck with Hosa cables, which are inexpensive. >> > > Yeah. What he said. > > bIz yeah, here is my 2 centavos-i'm talkin guitar now: high end cable(monster,george ls, etc.) for me doesnt work for audio!(i know yer talkin midi) there is noticable transients and added something that i dont get w/ cheap,that is regular wire(hosa,whirlwind,etc).it is not a quality issue-you hear it or you dont. i have a/b ed them forever and just have never found a reason for those high priced thangs,except marketing strategies(ya know, i payed for this high priced stuff and after that you just have to say "wow what a difference").fwiw s (hope i'm not steppin on any toes) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 21:12:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18036; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:11:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:11:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA12A2B.FF2AC98@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:09:26 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's true. Moster Cable is based on "science lite" It's not reality. Don't waste your money. Any large guage cable is fine. The funniest part is that their rca cables have arrows showing which way the alternating current is supposed to flow. That's rich. Mark Stan Card wrote: > > > >> Midi cables are digital - the signal either gets there or it doesn't. > > > > That's not completely accurate, but it is for midi cables. Digital cables > > such as spdif can suffer from jitter and lag. On it's own, it's not all that > > noticeable, but it can make digital gear lose synch, which is very > > noticeable. > > > >> Lower quality cables are more likely to stop working eventually. > >> However, I've had good luck with Hosa cables, which are inexpensive. > >> > > > > Yeah. What he said. > > > > bIz > yeah, here is my 2 centavos-i'm talkin guitar now: high end > cable(monster,george ls, etc.) for me doesnt work for audio!(i know yer > talkin midi) there is noticable transients and added something that i dont > get w/ cheap,that is regular wire(hosa,whirlwind,etc).it is not a quality > issue-you hear it or you dont. i have a/b ed them forever and just have > never found a reason for those high priced thangs,except marketing > strategies(ya know, i payed for this high priced stuff and after that you > just have to say "wow what a difference").fwiw > s > (hope i'm not steppin on any toes) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 23:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26874; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:53:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:53:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:52:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Black Box Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just passed there in Oakland. Nice place, oldish, blackish, colorfull paintings, nice people, rather small, but enough for a whole orchestra. I have seen Fred Frith rehearsing and heard that Tom will not appear there tonight and left to work Contact there is Laura 510 451 19 32 -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 26 23:54:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26992; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:53:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:53:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <074901c1d418$4a0faf10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <90.233cc5f7.29cf2249@aol.com> <074901c1d418$4a0faf10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:53:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >Yes, there seems to be surprisingly little memory on the Chameleon. This >looks like the bottleneck to me, at least for any serious looping. > >Also, I'm surprised the Chameleon doesn't have some kind of higher speed >interface, like Firewire, ethernet, or even USB 2.0. While the MIDI >interface on the Chameleon is certainly required for us loopers and it has >an RS232 interface, there doesn't seem to be a good way to save/transfer >'dem loops once you make them! Although it does support a Flash card, you >still can't digitally transfer a loop in real-time other than via MIDI >sample-dump. > >Perhaps Soundarts will offer an Enhanced Chameleon. So what do you call a >bigger Chameleon? Thats what I think. We may try to adapt our stuff to it and hope for the Dragon to come out. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 00:28:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29691; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:27:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:27:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020326232521.00815a70@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:25:21 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: re: sites to buy/sell music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8F_9mC.A.oPH.RgVo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Might also try Music Go Round. They have a site. Alittle flaky. Do your due dilligence when talking to the salesperson of the moment. Bot a red knob Dual Showman from them. Hi Stanner! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 01:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32472; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:14:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:17:22 -0600 Subject: Gibson guitar festival From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought I'ld let everyone know on the list that there are some great guitar concerts coming up in the next two weeks in the Nashville area for those interested. I'm fortunate to be playing percussion on a couple of them this weekend. Gibson is sponsoring the even this week and next. You can check it out at www.NCO.org Thursday March 28th 8:00 pm Green's Grocery, Franklin, Tn. Muriel Anderson Brent Mason John Johns William Yelverton with the Nashville Chamber Orchestra Quintet Friday March 29th- 8:00 pm Gibson Cafe Milano, Nashville Phil Keaggy John Jorgenson The Hot Club of Nashville(J.Jorgenson,Bryan Sutton,Richard Smith, Stuart Duncan, and Charlie Chadwick with the NCO Quintet Saturday March 30th- 8:00 pm Ford Theatre, Country Music Hall of Fame Pete Huttlinger John Johns Bryan Sutton and the NCO Quintet No looping probably but some amazing guitar playing..If you are in the area check it out. I'm playing friday and saturday....tr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 01:19:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00360; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:17:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:17:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:17:12 -0800 From: "wade a metheny" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: reno-bros@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: univox echo chamber tapes or footswitch. X-Sender-Ip: 64.40.60.3 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have recently purchased a univox echo chamber ec80 from ebay. It powers up and the motor runs fine, it has a tape with it, the only thing is, it won't echo. I don't know if I need a tape for it or if I need a footswitch to turn the echo on! Doe anybody know how these things work, and maybe where I could find another tape? I would like to just build a footswitch for it, I know simple electronics , but how exactly is a footswitch made? See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020201/splash.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 01:41:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01581; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:40:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:40:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA169A4.72DDAC05@friendlyspider.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:42:12 -0600 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Repeater as multitrack recorder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am very interested in the Repeater. I've used a Jamman for years and am into digital recording. I'd like to use the Repeater as a very quiet (no moving parts or hard drive wine) multitrack recorder in addition to its looping capabilities. Is it possible to have a rhythm loop established on one track and to overdub for 4 minutes or more on a pair of tracks while listening to the rhythm part looping ? Or does the rhythm track have to be a continual sample just like the tracks to be overdubbed ? 'Course I suppose I can also use an extenal drum machine locked to the Repeater, correct ?....So I guess my main question has to do with recording time. Granted, I'll have to have a larger memory card-128 Meg plus.... Thanks..... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 02:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04528; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:21:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:21:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c1d5f7$1dfc58c0$1a8131d2@oemcomputer> From: "cameron street" To: Subject: Australian price for new Gibson Echoplex Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:22:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1D5B3.EB370B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1D5B3.EB370B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $2195 without foot switch, I did see the footswich price, but i was still recovering from the first price. 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$2195 without foot switch, I did see the footswich=20 price,
but i was still recovering from the first = price.
It was good to see one in the flesh, in this weird=20 part
of the galaxy.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1D5B3.EB370B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 04:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10777; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:02:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:02:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c1d56e$05acbcd0$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:01:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For the UK, try www.sospubs.co.uk or www.loot.com os. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Stites" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:09 AM Subject: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? > Is there a dedicated website (besides Ebay!) where musicians buy and sell > their used and sometimes new equipment? A site dedicated to musicians > selling everything; drum sets, guitars, PA systems, sound modules, midi > controllers, keyboards, CD's... Is there a site like that? > > I am in the market for a few things such as sound modules, a rack mount > case, an amplifier, Echoplex and maybe another Zen Drum > > What might you have to sell? > > > Thank you > > Larry Stites From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 04:16:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11397; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:15:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: anubia@juno.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 01:17:50 -0800 Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <20020325.011750.-372381.4.anubia@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_557f.3ec9.746b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_557f.3ec9.746b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe ----__JNP_000_557f.3ec9.746b Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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----__JNP_000_557f.3ec9.746b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 06:48:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19323; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:47:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:47:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:46:08 EST Subject: Re: Australian price for new Gibson Echoplex To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <40.1b6d4390.29d30b00@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Call Alto Music 845 692 6922 or email sales@altomusic.com $650/edp $100/pedal They bought the worlds remaining stock (about 80 of each) They will ship anywhere From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 07:32:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22800; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:31:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:31:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c1d58a$2b153da0$8f0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #261 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:22:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #261 March 21, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Vir Unis. Vir Unis is a synthesist and a percussionist who uses grooves and atmospheres to create what he terms electro-psychedelic mind-body music. The Featured CD at midnight was "Aeonian Glow" by Unis on the GreenHouse label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP "Time Actor" by Richard Wahnfried on the IC label. I played the music of Robert Rich who was at the Gathering on March 23. I also played music of artists from recent and upcoming European EM festivals, the Manikin Marathon on April 5-7 and the Alfa Centauri festival on March 16. Vir Unis http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#mar Robert Rich http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html Manikin Marathon http://www.manikin.de/bodynews.html#sulza_e Alfa Centauri http://www.alfacentauri.nl PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Richard Wahnfried Gransma's Clockwork Time Actor (IC) Interview with Larry Fast at Alfa Centauri 3-16-02 VA [Keller, Broekhuis, Wolfsburg Rehearsal Music for the 3rd Millennium & Schonwalder Vol. 3 (AMP) FSP, AirSculpture, Swamp Impasse Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu Brewer & Fox Harmony & Quantum) Robert Rich Bestiary Bestiary (Release) Ron Boots KGM Liquid Structures in Solid Form (Groove) Dom F. Scab Alien Advice Analogical Confessions (Groove) 12:00 am Vir Unis Glide Aeonian Glow (GreenHouse) Vir Unis The Ghosts of Aeons Aeonian Glow (GreenHouse) Vir Unis Indigo Light Aeonian Glow (GreenHouse) Vir Unis Particle Path Aeonian Glow (GreenHouse) Vir Unis A Night of Passage Aeonian Glow (GreenHouse) Vir Unis Flying Dream Aeonian Glow (GreenHouse) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Vir Unis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Dreamers at the Edge of Decaying Light" by Vir Unis on the In the Bubble Music label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Clockwork Orange" by Wendy Carlos on the Columbia label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 09:01:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28324; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:59:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:59:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:59:57 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: NYC: 4/1/02 Robert Rich, David Beardsley at Knitting Factory To: microtones@yahoogroups.com, thewire@yahoogroups.com, spacemusic@yahoogroups.com, extremeNY@topica.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , Ohmbient list , "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." Message-id: <008001c1d597$ae432ae0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Rich Ambient musician & electro-acoustic composer http://www.amoeba.com/ David Beardsley Minimalist microtonal Just Intonation guitar, fretless guitar, echoes, loops & drones. http://biink.com/db April 1, 2002, 8pm, $15.00 Please note the new time and room! Knitting Factory AlterKnit Theatre 74 Leonard Street New York, NY 10013 (212) 219-3006 http://www.knittingfactory.com/ * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 09:12:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28900; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:09:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:09:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c1d598$eb291d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3CA12A2B.FF2AC98@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:08:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's true. Moster Cable is based on "science lite" It's not reality. > . . . Yes! I agree! My suggestion is to get *good* quality cables but not the ridiculously expensive *premium* stuff. IMHO, paying a little extra for good cables is worth it. After all, you've got a bunch of expensive equipment but it's only as reliable as the weakest link. BTW, a few years back I needed some long MIDI cables to link my rig to my buddy's. I built a couple of MIDI/XLR adapters so I could use some normal balanced mic cables for the job. Worked great! Soldering MIDI connectors takes a very steady hand, though. (I think I had to de-caffeinate myself for a few days prior...) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 10:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00445; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:03:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:03:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5D0DD3CB24A6D511A9CD0008C745EA4C0102DFE3@abnymx1.corp.about.com> From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: midi cabling...quality cables? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:03:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D5A0.8CF11CE0" Resent-Message-ID: <8Ou0DB.A.WF.C9do8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D5A0.8CF11CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Totally disagree. I am a huge believer that cables are as important as tools, and people cut corners with cabling and wonder why their stuff sounds weak and lackluster. ALL cables has a direction. Monster and a few others bother to mark it. Being the cynic I am, I have A/B'd many cables for direction and found some to have more directional improvement than others, but all sound different one direction vs. another. I would agree that Monster is kind of a ripoff- their stuff is OK but they charge way more than it's worth. Getting back to the thread, my 3/$10 midi cables from Radio Shack haven't failed me yet (3X cheaper than the Hosa's I had previously bought). Ben -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables? It's true. Moster Cable is based on "science lite" It's not reality. Don't waste your money. Any large guage cable is fine. The funniest part is that their rca cables have arrows showing which way the alternating current is supposed to flow. That's rich. Mark Stan Card wrote: > > > >> Midi cables are digital - the signal either gets there or it doesn't. > > > > That's not completely accurate, but it is for midi cables. Digital cables > > such as spdif can suffer from jitter and lag. On it's own, it's not all that > > noticeable, but it can make digital gear lose synch, which is very > > noticeable. > > > >> Lower quality cables are more likely to stop working eventually. > >> However, I've had good luck with Hosa cables, which are inexpensive. > >> > > > > Yeah. What he said. > > > > bIz > yeah, here is my 2 centavos-i'm talkin guitar now: high end > cable(monster,george ls, etc.) for me doesnt work for audio!(i know yer > talkin midi) there is noticable transients and added something that i dont > get w/ cheap,that is regular wire(hosa,whirlwind,etc).it is not a quality > issue-you hear it or you dont. i have a/b ed them forever and just have > never found a reason for those high priced thangs,except marketing > strategies(ya know, i payed for this high priced stuff and after that you > just have to say "wow what a difference").fwiw > s > (hope i'm not steppin on any toes) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D5A0.8CF11CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: midi cabling...quality cables?

Totally disagree. I am a huge believer that cables = are as important as tools, and people cut corners with cabling and = wonder why their stuff sounds weak and lackluster.

ALL cables has a direction. Monster and a few others = bother to mark it. Being the cynic I am, I have A/B'd many cables for = direction and found some to have more directional improvement than = others, but all sound different one direction vs. another.

I would agree that Monster is kind of a ripoff- their = stuff is OK but they charge way more than it's worth.

Getting back to the thread, my 3/$10 midi cables from = Radio Shack haven't failed me yet (3X cheaper than the Hosa's I had = previously bought).

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]<= /FONT>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables?


It's true.  Moster Cable is based on = "science lite"  It's not reality.  Don't
waste your money.  Any large guage cable is = fine.  The funniest part is that
their rca cables have arrows showing which way the = alternating current is
supposed to flow.  That's rich.

Mark

Stan Card wrote:

> >
> >> Midi cables are digital - the signal = either gets there or it doesn't.
> >
> > That's not completely accurate, but it is = for midi cables. Digital cables
> > such as spdif can suffer from jitter and = lag. On it's own, it's not all that
> > noticeable, but it can make digital gear = lose synch, which is very
> > noticeable.
> >
> >> Lower quality cables are more likely = to stop working eventually.
> >> However, I've had good luck with Hosa = cables, which are inexpensive.
> >>
> >
> > Yeah. What he said.
> >
> > bIz
> yeah, here is my 2 centavos-i'm talkin guitar = now: high end
> cable(monster,george ls, etc.) for me doesnt = work for audio!(i know yer
> talkin midi) there is noticable transients and = added something that i dont
> get w/ cheap,that is regular = wire(hosa,whirlwind,etc).it is not a quality
> issue-you hear it or you dont. i have a/b ed = them forever and just have
> never found a reason for those high priced = thangs,except marketing
> strategies(ya know, i payed for this high = priced  stuff and after that you
> just have to say "wow what a = difference").fwiw
> s
> (hope i'm not steppin on any toes)

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D5A0.8CF11CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 10:34:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02451; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:30:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:30:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c1d5a4$29bba240$8f0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Australian price for new Gibson Echoplex Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:29:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6OeLAD.A.0l.3Veo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: JHKNICKS@aol.com >Call Alto Music 845 692 6922 or email sales@altomusic.com >$650/edp >$100/pedal >They bought the worlds remaining stock (about 80 of each) What?????????? Please explain that last coment. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 11:10:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05116; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:06:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:06:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:29:00 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:09 PM -0800 3/25/02, Larry Stites wrote: >Is there a dedicated website (besides Ebay!) where musicians buy and sell >their used and sometimes new equipment? http://www.digibid.com/ http://music.recycler.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 11:18:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05423; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:15:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:15:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007601c1d598$eb291d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3CA12A2B.FF2AC98@zerocrossing.net> <007601c1d598$eb291d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:11:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >BTW, a few years back I needed some long MIDI cables to link my rig to my >buddy's. I built a couple of MIDI/XLR adapters so I could use some normal >balanced mic cables for the job. Worked great! Soldering MIDI connectors >takes a very steady hand, though. (I think I had to de-caffeinate myself >for a few days prior...) Can you purchase such Midi/XLR adapters from somewhere? my soldering skills are marginal at best... best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 11:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05498; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:17:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:17:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Robin.Bussell@axa-sunlife.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: AXA SUN LIFE@SUNLIFE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <80256B89.0058D54D.00@10.7.40.1> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:01:00 +0000 Subject: Re: Vortex schematics and old holtek chips Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <6HMeyC.A.tVB.XCfo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, >> Maybe I guessed wrong on U10, maybe >> I need to go find me a DSP hacker. >won't you need to change the program (eprom?) to address new ram? Possibly, that's why I might have to ask a few friends in the telecoms industry whether they fancy a challenge :-) In an ideal world there's just one or two locations that need a tweak.. worst case the amount of ram (and fractions or multiples therof) gets hard coded in lots of places as magic number constants and you have to find and edit all of those.... not a nice job :-( >that sounds like a lot of fun. >you might want to trademark that name >(nasty monster noisemaker thingy) Heh, if it turns out to be fun I'll be sure to post details somewhere but don't expect an easy interface it'll be low down techy nasty I'm afraid (but then again nothing that someone who knows their way around a mixing desk couldn't handle probably) Cheers, Robin. ==================================================================== The contents and any attachments of this electronic mail message are confidential and intended only for the named addressees. Dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use of the message or attachments by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions expressed in this message are personal and may not be attributed to AXA Sun Life or any member of the AXA Group of Companies. Internet e-mails are not necessarily secure. AXA Group does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 11:32:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06159; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:29:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Robin.Bussell@axa-sunlife.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: AXA SUN LIFE@SUNLIFE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <80256B89.005A0A13.00@10.7.40.1> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:14:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Vortex & Holtek chip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <4k39qD.A.mfB.SNfo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, >I think I actually have one of those chips! (in a Maplin project) Would that be the 'voice vandal' by any chance? I tried to buy one of those kits exactly a month after they were withdrawn after being in the catalogue for years.. poop! If it was, what does it sound like? I was always intrigued by those boxes. >I probably have the datasheet if you need it Thanks for the offer but I've since found something that is still being made and might be much better for the job (if a bit lighter on the delay time) the PT2399 and PT2396 both go up to around 300ms, have built in RAM and cost $3.95 and $3.50 from smallbear... cheap enough to have loads! ... oh and it's SRAM too which means they should keep the data in sleep mode which might make for fun mini sampling setups, just a shame the internal ram means you can't do an easy 'infinite hold' by simply switching the write enable line off ( a nice cheap mod for anyone with a digital delay stomp box BTW) anyway I digress as usual :-) Cheers, Robin. ==================================================================== The contents and any attachments of this electronic mail message are confidential and intended only for the named addressees. Dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use of the message or attachments by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions expressed in this message are personal and may not be attributed to AXA Sun Life or any member of the AXA Group of Companies. Internet e-mails are not necessarily secure. AXA Group does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 11:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06518; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:31:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:31:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Robin.Bussell@axa-sunlife.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: AXA SUN LIFE@SUNLIFE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <80256B89.005A447D.00@10.7.40.1> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:16:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Vortex schematics and old holtek chips Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <52cexD.A.akB.iPfo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI Lorren, >Try Steve at Small Bear Electronics, http://www.smallbearelec.com Thanks for that link! not only does he have the chips, he has better stuff too! Marvellous! Now to brush up on my "mad electronix skillz" :-) Cheers, Robin. ==================================================================== The contents and any attachments of this electronic mail message are confidential and intended only for the named addressees. Dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use of the message or attachments by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions expressed in this message are personal and may not be attributed to AXA Sun Life or any member of the AXA Group of Companies. Internet e-mails are not necessarily secure. AXA Group does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 11:52:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07560; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:49:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:49:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRATrBk/Ce6u6TxYCnEaTRh1oDdxwIUUnohkFZRjMpE6coxEI8sNrsJK3Y= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:48:34 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zen Drum Message-ID: <7137-3CA1F7E2-310@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Robin.Bussell@axa-sunlife.co.uk's message of Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:01:00 +0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who makes the Zen Drum? Thanks Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 12:04:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09458; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:02:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:02:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020327115725.025f0260@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:59:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: NYC GIG - address correction! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_8330984==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_8330984==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed sorry folks, i typo'd. the joint is on south _6_th st, not s. 5th. i get to post the show all over again but i guess eventually y'all will see thru this kind of shabby hype tactic. psychedelloopcious! friday 3/29 at the free103.9fm 97 south 6th st williamsburg bk the fall in love ortho naturaliste the sb + DJs matt moses tony rettman (200 lb underground) tom roe and of course, lil ol anti:clockwise. $59 pm --=====================_8330984==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

sorry folks, i typo'd. the joint is on south _6_th st, not s. 5th.

i get to post the show all over again but i guess eventually y'all will see thru this kind of shabby hype tactic.

psychedelloopcious!
friday 3/29
at
the free103.9fm
97 south 6th st williamsburg bk
the fall in love
ortho
naturaliste
the sb
+ DJs
matt moses
tony rettman (200 lb underground)
tom roe
and of course, lil ol anti:clockwise.
$59 pm
--=====================_8330984==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 12:18:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10295; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:15:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:15:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:15:08 -0800 Subject: Mono to stereo effects processor in a stereo loop? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <80256B88.0062E8F3.00@10.7.40.1> Message-Id: <30632866-41A6-11D6-9F60-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, So, recently I purchased an AdrenaLinn. It's a sweet little box. Received a replacement chipset yesterday (after sending an email to them on sunday!) The midi noise is now gone. Anyway, It's got a single input, and stereo outs, as to many guitar effects these days. This box seems poised to sit in the effects loop of my Repeater, but I'm not sure how to deal with the mono to stereo issue. Do I just feed one channel into it and say, whatever? Get some sort of mixer? How have other's dealt with this? I know I read a post about someone putting a Space Station in the effects loop, I wonder how they did it... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 13:37:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14460; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:30:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:30:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:27:20 EST Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <8yUO2B.A.agD.r8go8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Perhaps Soundarts will offer an Enhanced Chameleon. So what do you call a > >bigger Chameleon? > > Thats what I think. We may try to adapt our stuff to it and hope for > the Dragon to come out. Soundart say that :- (1) Memory is not expandable (80s), due to addressing. (2) but you could expand to 120s by cramming 16bit audio into their 24bit "words" (3) They're working on a better pc interface (4) They don't know of anyone working on a looper (sold about a dozen to developers) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 13:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14881; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:38:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:38:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c1d5be$73031950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3CA12A2B.FF2AC98@zerocrossing.net><007601c1d598$eb291d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:37:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <4Rs_p.A.7nD.IGho8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >BTW, a few years back I needed some long MIDI cables to link my rig to my > >buddy's. I built a couple of MIDI/XLR adapters so I could use some normal > >balanced mic cables for the job. Worked great! Soldering MIDI connectors > >takes a very steady hand, though. (I think I had to de-caffeinate myself > >for a few days prior...) > > Can you purchase such Midi/XLR adapters from somewhere? my soldering > skills are marginal at best... I've never seen them anywhere. Rather surprising as they are quite useful! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 13:46:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15222; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:43:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:43:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c1d5bf$0cf5f500$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <3CA12A2B.FF2AC98@zerocrossing.net><007601c1d598$eb291d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00b001c1d5be$73031950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: OT:Re: midi cabling...quality cables? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:41:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One good thing about Monster is lifetime guarantee- no reciept required- just bring it to a retailer and they swap it out. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: midi cabling...quality cables? > > >BTW, a few years back I needed some long MIDI cables to link my rig to my > > >buddy's. I built a couple of MIDI/XLR adapters so I could use some > normal > > >balanced mic cables for the job. Worked great! Soldering MIDI > connectors > > >takes a very steady hand, though. (I think I had to de-caffeinate myself > > >for a few days prior...) > > > > Can you purchase such Midi/XLR adapters from somewhere? my soldering > > skills are marginal at best... > > I've never seen them anywhere. Rather surprising as they are quite useful! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 14:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17650; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:13:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:13:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:25:25 -0600 Message-ID: <006701c1d5cd$877183e0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: <7137-3CA1F7E2-310@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Zen Drum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zendrum http://www.zendrum.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Zen Drum > Who makes the Zen Drum? Thanks Bill/Las Vegas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 14:19:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17553; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:12:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:12:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:21:03 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zen Drum In-Reply-To: <7137-3CA1F7E2-310@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, William Mcallister wrote: > Who makes the Zen Drum? Thanks Bill/Las Vegas They do - it's a private company owned by the designers and builders, like (for one of several examples) Stick Enterprises, Emmet Chapman and Chapman Sticks. http://www.zendrum.com/ http://www.zendrum.com/history.html best, Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 14:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19369; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:53:01 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Allen & Heath MixWizard In-reply-to: <00f301c1ecb6$b37cfb40$9f63f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200203261829.NAA16598@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f301c1ecb6$b37cfb40$9f63f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the ELectron SAlon performance Sunday night the FOH mixer was an Allen and Heath MixWizard model WZ14:4:2+ This could easily be the mixer I've been wishing for. This is a high quality mixer with a great deal of flexibility. It has 10 mono inputs, with mic pres, plus two stereo inputs, for a subtotal of 14 balanced inputs with 100 mm faders. These inputs also have 6 auxiliary sends, switchable in groups (4 and 2) between pre and post. In contrast to Mackie and the like, these 6 sends are simultaneously available on each channel (no choosing between Aux 1, 2, 3, 4 or 1, 2, 5, 6). There are also four stereo returns, a tape return, and a talkback mic input, which brings the total number of inputs up to 25. There are four groups, Left/Right mains, and mono outputs, all of which are balanced with both TRS and XLR connectors. There are also inserts and direct outs on the first 10 input channels. With this board one could run a show with 3 stereo effects (fed in stereo) or 4 effects (fed in mono) plus two monitor mixes, and provide surround sound of up to 6 channels. $1500 list. I've seen it for $1300. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 15:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20915; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:03:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c1d5ca$518d2840$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <200203261829.NAA16598@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f301c1ecb6$b37cfb40$9f63f93f@global> Subject: Re: Allen & Heath MixWizard Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:02:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own this mixer and I love it- you can get it for less than $1300 if your in with a shop- Only issue I had was a subgroup indicator light which after 20 mins or so would slowly start to glow- I returned and got another with same issue- no response at ALL from AH support- I never heard it affect sound and just live with it- but was discouraging to get such poor support= no support at all. It is built like a tank tho- and I have been very happy with the aux which 1-4 are pre/post and 5-6 are pre/post- I have been using it in a studio capacity- so I don't even take advantage of some features which would shine in a live setup as you mention. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Allen & Heath MixWizard > At the ELectron SAlon performance Sunday night the FOH mixer was an > Allen and Heath MixWizard model WZ14:4:2+ > > > This could easily be the mixer I've been wishing for. This is a high > quality mixer with a great deal of flexibility. It has 10 mono > inputs, with mic pres, plus two stereo inputs, for a subtotal of 14 > balanced inputs with 100 mm faders. These inputs also have 6 > auxiliary sends, switchable in groups (4 and 2) between pre and post. > In contrast to Mackie and the like, these 6 sends are simultaneously > available on each channel (no choosing between Aux 1, 2, 3, 4 or 1, > 2, 5, 6). There are also four stereo returns, a tape return, and a > talkback mic input, which brings the total number of inputs up to 25. > > There are four groups, Left/Right mains, and mono outputs, all of > which are balanced with both TRS and XLR connectors. There are also > inserts and direct outs on the first 10 input channels. > > With this board one could run a show with 3 stereo effects (fed in > stereo) or 4 effects (fed in mono) plus two monitor mixes, and > provide surround sound of up to 6 channels. > > $1500 list. I've seen it for $1300. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 15:07:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21140; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:06:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:06:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020327140454.008681b0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:04:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: GrooveTube Pre-Amp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Would the person who was offering the GT pre-amp please email me. mailto:mcl451@airmail.net Somehow lost the email. Sorry. Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 15:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21671; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:15:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA2281D.40844670@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:14:12 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Repeater as multitrack recorder References: <3CA169A4.72DDAC05@friendlyspider.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can't have one track shorter than another, so this would probably kill any idea of using the Repeater as a true multitrack recorder. You can do a loop multiply function, but you'd be stuck with the same x bars looping under your other tracks. If I were you, I'd look into some of the new devices by Korg and others like the PXR4 Mark Sottilaro Gary Phillips wrote: > I am very interested in the Repeater. I've used a Jamman > for years and am into digital recording. I'd like to use the > Repeater as a very quiet (no moving parts or hard drive wine) > multitrack recorder in addition to its looping capabilities. Is it > possible to have a rhythm loop established on one track and to > overdub for 4 minutes or more on a pair of tracks while listening > to the rhythm part looping ? Or does the rhythm track have to > be a continual sample just like the tracks to be overdubbed ? > 'Course I suppose I can also use an extenal drum machine > locked to the Repeater, correct ?....So I guess my main question > has to do with recording time. Granted, I'll have to have a larger > memory card-128 Meg plus.... Thanks..... > -- > gary > @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 15:38:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22473; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:36:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011501c1d5c4$15bed9e0$a083abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <200203261829.NAA16598@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f301c1ecb6$b37cfb40$9f63f93f@global> Subject: Re: Allen & Heath MixWizard Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:17:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Richard, I own his father: the GL 2. Same specs. I have it set up as you described: 3 stereo efx on its (pre fader) aux coming back through 6 channels bus 1/2 and 3/4 go to the repeater great sound and great flexibility. less headroom than on a mackie, unfortunately, but its filters are gorgeous. no problems after 2 years of use (it was bought 2nd hand). have fun From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 15:44:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22757; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:40:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020327143847.0089d160@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:38:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Allen & Heath MixWizard In-Reply-To: <009401c1d5ca$518d2840$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <200203261829.NAA16598@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f301c1ecb6$b37cfb40$9f63f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the MixWizard, too. Bot mine for $600.00 + tax, new. I think the store was dumping some equipment for tax reasons. Had been using Mackie. Wow, what a difference. The MixWizard is much more transparent. The Mackie 1604's really color the sound. Some players may like the mackie sound. But, if you want something more transparent, try the MixWizard. Plus, 6 aux sends isn't such a bad thing and the eq really works! Michael At 12:02 PM 3/27/02 -0800, you wrote: >I own this mixer and I love it- you can get it for less than $1300 if your >in with a shop- > >Only issue I had was a subgroup indicator light which after 20 mins or so >would slowly start to glow- I returned and got another with same issue- no >response at ALL from AH support- I never heard it affect sound and just live >with it- but was discouraging to get such poor support= no support at all. > >It is built like a tank tho- and I have been very happy with the aux which >1-4 are pre/post and 5-6 are pre/post- > >I have been using it in a studio capacity- so I don't even take advantage of >some features which would shine in a live setup as you mention. > >c > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Zvonar" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:53 AM >Subject: Allen & Heath MixWizard > > >> At the ELectron SAlon performance Sunday night the FOH mixer was an >> Allen and Heath MixWizard model WZ14:4:2+ >> >> >> This could easily be the mixer I've been wishing for. This is a high >> quality mixer with a great deal of flexibility. It has 10 mono >> inputs, with mic pres, plus two stereo inputs, for a subtotal of 14 >> balanced inputs with 100 mm faders. These inputs also have 6 >> auxiliary sends, switchable in groups (4 and 2) between pre and post. >> In contrast to Mackie and the like, these 6 sends are simultaneously >> available on each channel (no choosing between Aux 1, 2, 3, 4 or 1, >> 2, 5, 6). There are also four stereo returns, a tape return, and a >> talkback mic input, which brings the total number of inputs up to 25. >> >> There are four groups, Left/Right mains, and mono outputs, all of >> which are balanced with both TRS and XLR connectors. There are also >> inserts and direct outs on the first 10 input channels. >> >> With this board one could run a show with 3 stereo effects (fed in >> stereo) or 4 effects (fed in mono) plus two monitor mixes, and >> provide surround sound of up to 6 channels. >> >> $1500 list. I've seen it for $1300. >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://RZCybernetics.com >> http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >> http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 15:44:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22934; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:43:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:43:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA22F37.3DA16FDF@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:44:39 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Baudline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all- I was looking for a spectrum analyzer program for testing preamp circuit boards at work, and I stumbled across this little gem: http://www.baudline.com/ The program only runs on Linux, which is good since we don't use Windows here. Not only does it perform a variety of nice waveform analyses, but it also has a simple looper with some cool-looking features that I intend to explore further when I set up the test bench ;) Check out "play deck" under "output" in the manual for those. Enjoy! -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 15:53:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23373; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:51:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:51:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Allen & Heath MixWizard Message-Id: <27030286.46244@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:50:50 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Richard Zvonar >At the ELectron SAlon performance Sunday night the FOH mixer was an >Allen and Heath MixWizard model WZ14:4:2+ > ---snips--- >In contrast to Mackie and the like, these 6 sends are simultaneously >available on each channel (no choosing between Aux 1, 2, 3, 4 or 1, >2, 5, 6). Being a Mackie 8-bus owner, i have to say this is one of the greatest drawbacks of the Mackie console, and a difference not to sneeze at. I like the Mackie a lot, especially for the price, but the SHIFT feature from auxes 3-4 to 5-6, and the lack of a polarity reversal switch on each channel, continuously make me think of moving on. -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 16:11:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25287; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cables have direction? (was RE: midi cabling...quality cables?) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:08:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2002 21:08:23.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[87D985C0:01C1D5D3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >ALL cables has a direction. Monster and a few others bother to mark it. ??? more info please. I don't understand. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 16:26:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26701; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:24:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:24:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020327152141.024707c0@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: rjholland@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:23:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Holland Subject: Cable direction my ass In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Monster cable is a scam, copper wire is copper wire is copper wire, wire does not have a direction, that is BS cooked up by Monster cable to sell crap to those who belive everything they see in ads. At 09:08 PM 3/27/02 +0000, Jon Wagner wrote: >>ALL cables has a direction. Monster and a few others bother to mark it. > >??? more info please. I don't understand. >Jon > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 16:27:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26744; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a901c1d5a3$8e9ddb20$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <3CA12A2B.FF2AC98@zerocrossing.net><007601c1d598$eb291d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00b001c1d5be$73031950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <005e01c1d5bf$0cf5f500$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: OT:Re: midi cabling...quality cables? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:24:57 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i prefer nicer audio cables (i use evidence audio and love them), but monster is a joke. maybe i got a bad pair of 500's, but they were noisy (microphonic) and did a bad job of carrying an untainted signal. as for midi, i'll just get some decent cables UNLESS somebody can suggest a good place to buy quality bulk wire and plugs. i'd much prefer to solder my own cables. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 16:34:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27480; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:32:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:30:02 -0500 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: last call for specific slots on Saturday! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we're doing a big mailing for this Saturday's open loop and we are doing some specific slots for a change as per a couple of people's requests. Please let me know if you want a specific slot, some of them (1pm, 5pm) are already filled. Otherwise, see you at the movies! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 16:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27760; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:35:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c1d5d7$313ada30$ee1d0a0a@alanb2000> From: "Alan Barnard" To: References: <7137-3CA1F7E2-310@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Zen Drum Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:34:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <18GwS.A.8vG.zrjo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zendrums are individually handmade by David Haney and Kim Daniel out of Douglasville GA. More info here: http://www.zendrum.com Alan _____________________________ Alan Barnard BarnarDesign www.barnardesign.com alan@barnardesign.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: Re: Zen Drum > Who makes the Zen Drum? Thanks Bill/Las Vegas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 17:14:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30980; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:10:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:10:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA24318.241AAE68@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:09:18 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cable direction my ass References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020327152141.024707c0@students.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't want to say anything... how can you say cable has a direction, when we're talking about a current that alternates? There's impedance, but cables have little to do with that. I challange anyone to show me phyiscs proving different. sorry to start a cable war. Marl Richard Holland wrote: > Monster cable is a scam, copper wire is copper wire is copper wire, wire > does not have a direction, that is BS cooked up by Monster cable to sell > crap to those who belive everything they see in ads. > > At 09:08 PM 3/27/02 +0000, Jon Wagner wrote: > >>ALL cables has a direction. Monster and a few others bother to mark it. > > > >??? more info please. I don't understand. > >Jon > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 17:28:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31835; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:26:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:26:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c1d5ac$0ebd6930$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:25:47 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jon- cables have directionality, despite arguments to the contrary. it has to do with the structure of the copper "lining up" in such a way that facilitates better signal transfer. basically, cables are tested before they leave the shop/factory/garage marking the direction. however, it takes hours of actual signal carrying for the cable to "learn" the direction and utilize this natural physical attribute. richard- no offense intended, but all copper wire isn't the same. the only difference is the level of purity. is this an audiophile issue? yes. can the average joe hear a difference in copper purity? probably not. there are, however, devices that determine this level of purity. the impurities act as speed bumps, sort of...the more impurities, the less your signal will travel uninterrupted. there is also the issue of stranded vs. solid wire. you can elect to buy silver cable, if you just won the lottery. i played with a bassist once who spent $1000 on a 20' cable. officially absurd, in my opinion. nobody hears THAT much difference. i'm a firm believer that monster does, in fact, cook their information but one can't deny that there isn't a difference in the sound from cable to cable. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 17:30:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32007; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:28:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:28:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c1d5ac$636acf40$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <3CA12A2B.FF2AC98@zerocrossing.net><007601c1d598$eb291d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00b001c1d5be$73031950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <005e01c1d5bf$0cf5f500$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: OT:Re: midi cabling...quality cables? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:28:10 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "One good thing about Monster is lifetime guarantee- no reciept required-just bring it to a retailer and they swap it out." any manufacturer of audio cable worth their weight in boiled peanuts should offer this return policy. cables are very simple devices and really shouldn't "break" or what-have-you. if they do, they're usually very simple to fix (unless the dog chews through it...then your in a pickle). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 17:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32482; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:31:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:31:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <141.bdc0aab.29d3a1e5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:29:57 EST Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com however, it takes hours of actual signal carrying for the cable to "learn" the direction and utilize this natural physical attribute. cables learn? huh? perplexed pj From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 17:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00528; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:36:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:36:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020327142553.0229b920@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:31:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass In-Reply-To: <002301c1d5ac$0ebd6930$01f8c440@g0wn7> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The use (and misuse of) directional cables has a big effect on my sound. I have my guitar wired with two outputs that I'm able to crossfade between. I have one cable going in the correct direction and another cable going in the opposite direction than it was manufactured for. The crossfader is pedal operated. I get some great contrasting sounds by crossfading between the two - sometimes people think I'm using a modified wah/filter/distortion/effect, but nope - just a simple crossfade between abused directional cables. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 17:41:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01912; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:40:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:40:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020327223942.5850.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Cable direction my ass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CA24318.241AAE68@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While the following quote is not about analog signals on a cable, this stereophile article shows measurable differences in jitter from an spdif source depending on the direction of the cable: http://www.stereophile.com/printarchives.cgi?368 'Changing the direction of the digital interconnect between the transport and the jitter analyzer. This phenomenon was easily repeatable: put the cable in one direction and read the RMS jitter voltage, then reverse the cable direction and watch the RMS jitter voltage drop. Although I'd heard differences in digital-cable directionality, I was surprised the difference in jitter was so easily measurable—and that the jitter difference was nearly double. To confirm this phenomenon, I repeated the test five times each on three different digital interconnects. One was a generic audio cable, the other two were Mod Squad Wonder Link and Aural Symphonics Digital Standard, both highly regarded cables specifically designed for digital transmission. The generic cable wasn't directional: it produced the same high jitter in either direction. But both the Wonder Link and the Aural Symphonics had lower jitter levels overall, but different jitter levels depending on their direction. Moreover, the generic cable had higher jitter than either of the two premium cables—even in the latters' "high-jitter" direction. ' bret --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I didn't want to say anything... how can you say cable has a > direction, when > we're talking about a current that alternates? There's impedance, > but > cables have little to do with that. I challange anyone to show me > phyiscs > proving different. > > sorry to start a cable war. > > Marl > > Richard Holland wrote: > > > Monster cable is a scam, copper wire is copper wire is copper wire, > wire > > does not have a direction, that is BS cooked up by Monster cable to > sell > > crap to those who belive everything they see in ads. > > > > At 09:08 PM 3/27/02 +0000, Jon Wagner wrote: > > >>ALL cables has a direction. Monster and a few others bother to > mark it. > > > > > >??? more info please. I don't understand. > > >Jon > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > >http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1D631.BAE69620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 17:46:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02750; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:45:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c1d5e0$e9346440$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <002301c1d5ac$0ebd6930$01f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:44:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_ujuEC.A.Yp.jtko8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that what you meant to say? c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass > i'm a firm believer that monster does, in fact, cook their information but > one can't deny that there isn't a difference in the sound from cable to > cable. > > -jim > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 17:48:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02839; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:46:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:46:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c1d5ae$e5233480$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <141.bdc0aab.29d3a1e5@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:46:07 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7AD8ZB.A.tr.euko8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well..."learn" is probably not the correct term...sorry to be misleading. how about this: instead of having a "cable war", why don't we all do a little research, keep our tempers and egos in check, and instead of just making each other angry, we might all just learn something. we can have a "cable information experience". as one who buys the direction/purity/etc. argument, i may very well be proven wrong and am ready to face this should it arise (insert image of brave soldier walking into battle armed with a computer and some guitar cables here). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 17:49:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03020; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:48:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:48:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00df01c1d518$87504280$e862f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: Cables my Ass Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:49:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <26kVB.A.lu.Swko8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whew!!!!! I thought this was going to be some juicy S & M porn spam.......................but................NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! rick ;-) ps and I'm glad somebody is taking Monster Cable to task for their spurious advertising..............such a load of overhyped, overpriced rubbish. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 18:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05836; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:13:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:13:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA25339.2D55924F@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:18:43 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cables my Ass References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <00df01c1d518$87504280$e862f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5mEowC.A.4aB.5Hlo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Whew!!!!! I thought this was going to be some juicy S & M porn > spam.......................but................NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! > > rick ;-) > > ps and I'm glad somebody is taking Monster Cable to task for their spurious > advertising..............such a load of overhyped, overpriced rubbish. hee hee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 18:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07022; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:38:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:38:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:37:52 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater as multitrack recorder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <043b01c1d5e8$6a0388b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3CA169A4.72DDAC05@friendlyspider.com> <3CA2281D.40844670@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com though i don't know about using it as a multitrack as such, the original track will be a "virtual" track until you overdub on it, only using storage space for a single cycle. or so i gathered from the manual. or maybe i am misunderstanding you, the original track would be looping under the entire thing unless you mute it... > You can't have one track shorter than another, so this would probably > kill any idea of using the Repeater as a true multitrack recorder. You > can do a loop multiply function, but you'd be stuck with the same x bars > looping under your other tracks. If I were you, I'd look into some of > the new devices by Korg and others like the PXR4 > > Mark Sottilaro > > Gary Phillips wrote: > > > I am very interested in the Repeater. I've used a Jamman > > for years and am into digital recording. I'd like to use the > > Repeater as a very quiet (no moving parts or hard drive wine) > > multitrack recorder in addition to its looping capabilities. Is it > > possible to have a rhythm loop established on one track and to > > overdub for 4 minutes or more on a pair of tracks while listening > > to the rhythm part looping ? Or does the rhythm track have to > > be a continual sample just like the tracks to be overdubbed ? > > 'Course I suppose I can also use an extenal drum machine > > locked to the Repeater, correct ?....So I guess my main question > > has to do with recording time. Granted, I'll have to have a larger > > memory card-128 Meg plus.... Thanks..... > > -- > > gary > > @friendlyspider.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 18:48:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07352; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:46:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:46:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020327223942.5850.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020327223942.5850.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:42:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Cable direction my ass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one of my freelancers happens to be a younger sibling of one of the guys from Audience, a manufacturer of audiophile cables. http://www.audience-av.com/cableprices.htm#conductoric check out these prices!!!! ouch... so, as we work together, we got lots of gossip about how her brother was developing guitar cables. she asked if i was interested in getting some to try out, and if so, to give her a list of cable lengths. supposedly at the time, he was giving out the cables to professionals to try out and give him feedback. i just happened to be an interested friend o' the family. so i asked him to make me up some short patch cords for my pedalboard, and a few long ones as well. she warned me ahead of time that when her bro said "it'll take about 3 weeks..." he actually meant "3 months". several months later...hehe...my cables arrived...all individually packaged in plastic bags with literature claiming the sonic purity, etc. of these cables, and with arrows to show the correct direction. so i run home and try them out and they were so crazy microphonic that i couldn't even use them. nice neutrik connectors, though! given the user's list on their website, i guess someone's getting use out of 'em. for me, they are sitting around somewhere... audiophile stuff kinda cracks me up...i'm sure there's something to it, but once you've pushed past a certain threshold, you end up having to sell it to yourself, IMO. "can you hear it? if you listen REALLY, REALLY hard.... can you?" "well....hmmmm....oh wait, yes...no...hmmmm...well, i guess...well...." but hey, since the manufacturers are going to have to sell us all the next generation 48bit/whatever khz stuff in a few years anyway, we'll all be in this game sooner than we know, i guess. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 18:55:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07557; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:48:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA25ABF.FFB5BD1@friendlyspider.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:50:39 -0600 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Repeater count-in.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I understand the Repeater has no count-in of any sort... Does anyone know if it would be possible to have an external sequencer play a measure as a count-in and then trigger the record mode on the Repeater with a MIDI message? If so, would this be a system-exclusive string or a control message ? Also... if the loops in the Repeater can be called up via MIDI, can it be used as a MIDI drum sample playback device or is the response time too problematic to use with MIDI drum pads ? Thanks.... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 18:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07985; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:55:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:55:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:52:26 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Allen & Heath MixWizard In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.20020327143847.0089d160@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200203261829.NAA16598@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f301c1ecb6$b37cfb40$9f63f93f@global> <3.0.3.32.20020327143847.0089d160@mail.airmail.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:38 PM -0600 3/27/02, Michael Clark wrote: >I use the MixWizard, too. Bot mine for $600.00 + tax, new. I think the >store was dumping some equipment for tax reasons. There are four MixWizard models: WZ16:2DX $1,195 WZ12:2DX $ 995 WZ14:4:2+ $1,495 WZ20S $1,295 $600 is an amazing price for the WZ14:4:2+, far below dealer cost. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 19:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAB09351; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:00:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:00:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1d5b9$42c16080$44f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <002301c1d5ac$0ebd6930$01f8c440@g0wn7> <001201c1d5e0$e9346440$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:00:19 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is that what you meant to say? nope...strike that...reverse it... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 19:07:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09621; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:05:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:05:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:05:27 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <046d01c1d5ec$4468edd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002301c1d5ac$0ebd6930$01f8c440@g0wn7> <001201c1d5e0$e9346440$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <000701c1d5b9$42c16080$44f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, triple negative reversed. sounds like a steve nash move... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass > > Is that what you meant to say? > > nope...strike that...reverse it... > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 19:24:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10484; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:23:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:23:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA2623D.96741D0B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:22:12 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Repeater count-in.... References: <3CA25ABF.FFB5BD1@friendlyspider.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the Repeater does have a click track, I don't use it but I imagine it could be used as a count in and then turned off when needed. You could for sure have an external sequencer send a midi control # change at the right time. The Repeater takes a little under a sec to load a loop, so the midi drum pad thing would be out, but you could have it turn on and off tracks, which take no time to load once the loop is loaded. I had it set up so I could control the pitch of a loop using a midi drum pad and it worked well. Mark Gary Phillips wrote: > I understand the Repeater has no count-in of any sort... > Does anyone know if it would be possible to have an > external sequencer play a measure as a count-in and then > trigger the record mode on the Repeater with a MIDI message? > If so, would this be a system-exclusive string or a control message ? > Also... if the loops in the Repeater can be called up via MIDI, > can it be used as a MIDI drum sample playback device or is > the response time too problematic to use with MIDI drum pads ? > Thanks.... > -- > gary > @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 19:44:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11143; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:43:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:43:59 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: ernie ball volume scratchy To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <000901c1d5f1$a70d8400$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fkkxzIbDjazeLaVM4kglcQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_fkkxzIbDjazeLaVM4kglcQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I bought this new less than a year ago and it's already noisy. I cleaned the cable tips and the inputs on the pedalwith alcohol: still noise. I tried to spray the contol pot with tv tuner lube but I'm not even getting any lube into the pot! It only makes noise when there's sound going through the pedal, otherwise it's quiet. I'm in a jam, I'd like to play open loop on Sat. and have a big gig on Monday. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_fkkxzIbDjazeLaVM4kglcQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I bought this new less than a year ago
and it's already noisy. I cleaned the cable tips
and the inputs on the pedalwith alcohol: still noise.
I tried to spray the contol pot with tv tuner lube
but I'm not even getting any lube into the pot!
 
It only makes noise when there's sound going through
the pedal, otherwise it's quiet.
 
I'm in a jam, I'd like to play open loop on Sat.
and have a big gig on Monday.
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_fkkxzIbDjazeLaVM4kglcQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 20:31:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14066; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:30:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:30:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: C-Sound Loopers? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:29:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2002 01:29:18.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[FABC7E20:01C1D5F7] Resent-Message-ID: <1FoO4D.A.dbD.NIno8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a good friend who's something of a c-sound jockey. After I showed him some of my looping tricks, he really got excited and started thinking about writing some real time looping software for C-sound. Anyone else out there looping in c-sound in real-time? Hints? Jon _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 27 20:39:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14414; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:37:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:37:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020327193617.0080c710@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:36:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <71YqTD.A.4gD.bPno8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can tell you that my cables work in 2 directions. How do I know that? There's a jack on each end! M... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 00:03:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27236; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:02:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c1d5e3$71e881c0$1ff8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <002301c1d5ac$0ebd6930$01f8c440@g0wn7> <001201c1d5e0$e9346440$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <000701c1d5b9$42c16080$44f8c440@g0wn7> <046d01c1d5ec$4468edd0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:02:16 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually it's a quote from "willie wonka and the chocolate factory"... willie: "strike that...reverse it" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 00:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27438; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:05:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:05:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c1d5e3$db184d60$1ff8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <000901c1d5f1$a70d8400$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: ernie ball volume scratchy Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:05:13 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1D5E3.DA20A6F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1D5E3.DA20A6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable david- same thing happened to me IN THE STUDIO! so myself and the engineer = took the darn thing apart, took the pot apart, greased, lubed, polished, = swore and still barely any improvement. then we put it back together, = which was even more trouble (the kevlar string is a pain to put back). i had to order a new pot from e.b. to fix the problem. =20 what's more, e.b. changed the pots they were using...new pot, different = size, so i had to work around that. since your unit is fairly new, this = shouldn't be an issue. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1D5E3.DA20A6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
david-
 
same thing happened to me IN THE STUDIO!  so = myself and=20 the engineer took the darn thing apart, took the pot apart, greased, = lubed,=20 polished, swore and still barely any improvement.  then we put it = back=20 together, which was even more trouble (the kevlar string is a pain to = put=20 back).
 
i had to order a new pot from e.b. to fix the = problem. =20
 
what's more, e.b. changed the pots they were = using...new pot,=20 different size, so i had to work around that.  since your unit is = fairly=20 new, this shouldn't be an issue.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1D5E3.DA20A6F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 01:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30939; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:18:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:18:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Epoch: 1017296239 X-Sasl-enc: NsRolBMKOKfhNhYbT1c4EA Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 0:21:7 -0600 From: Jazwell Wankerl Reply-To: duckbill@fastmail.fm To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Allen & Heath MixWizard Organization: Trad PFX X-mailer: FoxMail 4.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20020328061718.1D6CA394076@fastmail.fm> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA30889 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Being a Mackie 8-bus owner, i have to say this >is one of the greatest drawbacks of the Mackie >console, and a difference not to sneeze at. > >I like the Mackie a lot, especially for the >price, but the SHIFT feature from auxes 3-4 to >5-6, and the lack of a polarity reversal switch >on each channel, continuously make me think of >moving on. > >-peter Yeah, I agree. As an audio engineer specialising in live sound, I shudder everytime I go into a venue and see a Mackie console. (Only thing worse is seeing a Peavey board...) I own a MixWizard and love it. ---Jazwell Wankerl phone: 715.833.2290 cell: 920.980.8311 'Duckbill Glass' Synths * Samples Effects * Engineering I Wonder as I Wander... ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ "He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad." -R Sabatini ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ J, S J 3:8, 11:35 A 17 1C 2:2, C 3:16-17 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 01:38:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31807; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:37:07 -0800 Subject: Re: ernie ball volume scratchy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-335522426 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001c01c1d5e3$db184d60$1ff8c440@g0wn7> Message-Id: <39D105D0-4216-11D6-9C78-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-335522426 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I had the same issues, and I abandoned the ernie ball, and went with the=20= Morley. Opto-electrical, they are. They use a light and a=20 photoelectric element to control the resistance: NO friction. The I=20 once had a light bulb that blew, that's how I discovered the mechanism. =20= Now they're LED, I believe, so nothing really to blow. Mine has lasted=20= a very, very long time. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, March 27, 2002, at 03:05 PM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > david- > =A0 > same thing happened to me IN THE STUDIO!=A0 so myself and the engineer=20= > took the darn thing apart, took the pot apart, greased, lubed,=20 > polished, swore and still barely any improvement.=A0 then we put it = back=20 > together, which was even more trouble (the kevlar string is a pain to=20= > put back). > =A0 > i had to order a new pot from e.b. to fix the problem.=A0 > =A0 > what's more, e.b. changed the pots they were using...new pot, = different=20 > size, so i had to work around that.=A0 since your unit is fairly new,=20= > this shouldn't be an issue. > =A0 > -jim --Apple-Mail-1-335522426 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I had the same issues, and I abandoned the ernie ball, and went with the Morley. Opto-electrical, they are. They use a light and a photoelectric element to control the resistance: NO friction. The I once had a light bulb that blew, that's how I discovered the mechanism. Now they're LED, I believe, so nothing really to blow.=20 Mine has lasted a very, very long time. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, March 27, 2002, at 03:05 PM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: david- =A0 same thing happened to me IN THE STUDIO!=A0 so myself and the engineer took the darn thing apart, took the pot apart, greased, lubed, polished, swore and still barely any improvement.=A0 then we put it back together, which was even more trouble (the kevlar string is a pain to put back). =A0 i had to order a new pot from e.b. to fix the = problem.=A0 =A0 what's more, e.b. changed the pots they were using...new pot, different size, so i had to work around that.=A0 since your unit is fairly new, this shouldn't be an issue. =A0 -jim = --Apple-Mail-1-335522426-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 02:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02243; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:20:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA2C49D.608C39FB@friendlyspider.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:22:27 -0600 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Alternate MIDI pads... References: <39D105D0-4216-11D6-9C78-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Morley pedals do rock ! by the way.... I've got an early one that's maybe 20 years old or more and only had to replace the bulb and shine the chrome every now and then. But here's my post: I've been building my own drum pads for a while using Radio Shack piezos....made some very sensitve pads using hard woods and some great feeling pads using foam padded video cases (these are great, by the way...I'll send a pic if interested) But I really would like some pads that I could use with real cymbals that I play with timpani mallets and that utilize some sort of proximity switch similar to Buchla's Marimba Lumina.... In other words, I want to be able to use some sensitve mics on my cymbals and be able to hit some sort of pad with the mallets and have the percussion sample play at the same time as the strike so that the sound will mask the actual attack of the mallet on the pad surface. I think there are others out there that could appreciate this situation. There is no replacement for real cymbals but you don't want the sound of a stick (or mallet) hitting a rubber pad. If anyone out there has run into or has been thinking about possible solutions or fairly simple, obtainable electronics, ....chip in.....(pun) gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 03:43:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05980; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:40:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: last call for specific slots on Saturday! Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:44:57 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1d63d$38a87dc0$9e6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom - my gear will be down that way, so is 3 p.m. available, or after 6?? thanks. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: last call for specific slots on Saturday! >we're doing a big mailing for this Saturday's open loop >and we are doing some specific slots for a change >as per a couple of people's requests. > >Please let me know if you want a specific slot, >some of them (1pm, 5pm) are already filled. > >Otherwise, see you at the movies! > > /t >-- > >http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! >http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 03:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06381; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:44:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:44:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:42:35 EST Subject: Re: Cable direction my ass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a8.8ed24a0.29d4317b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a8.8ed24a0.29d4317b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stereophile is the cryptozoology of the audio world. Fun reading... yes, scientific...? =-) PJ --part1_a8.8ed24a0.29d4317b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stereophile is the cryptozoology of the audio world. Fun reading... yes, scientific...? =-) PJ --part1_a8.8ed24a0.29d4317b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 03:47:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06634; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:47:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:47:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <91.1a940741.29d431b8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:43:36 EST Subject: Re: ernie ball volume scratchy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_91.1a940741.29d431b8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_91.1a940741.29d431b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit get a morley, they never get scratchy! =-) PJ --part1_91.1a940741.29d431b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit get a morley, they never get scratchy! =-) PJ --part1_91.1a940741.29d431b8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 03:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07101; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:53:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Repeater count-in.... Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:52:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3CA25ABF.FFB5BD1@friendlyspider.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fran: Gary Phillips [mailto:gary@friendlyspider.com] > I understand the Repeater has no count-in of any sort... > Does anyone know if it would be possible to have an > external sequencer play a measure as a count-in and then > trigger the record mode on the Repeater with a MIDI message? Yes. It's possible exactly the way you put it. You can also put repeater sync in "Beat Detect" mode and start playing your pads. Then the repeater will fall into the right tempo when you start it. But you have to actually try it yourself to see if you like the feel. Repeater is not a very bright guy to catch up on triads and stuff ;-D > If so, would this be a system-exclusive string or a control message ? Midi Program Change message or Midi Continuous Controller message. > Also... if the loops in the Repeater can be called up via MIDI, > can it be used as a MIDI drum sample playback device or is > the response time too problematic to use with MIDI drum pads ? Too slow response time. But Marks idea was cool IMO; "triggering tracks on/of by midi msg generated by hitting drum pads". I've actually done this once on a recording- a drummer played midi pads along with the studio recorder and his pads were triggering loops in a sampler. I set the number voices so every new sampled loop was choking the one already playing. One thing you can try, with the midi pads/repeater set-up, is to have only non-percussive loops in the repeater. Just four drones, or whatever, one on each track. Then you play the rhythm on you pads, rapidly zapping between the tracks. I wonder what that would sound like ;-D ???? Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 03:54:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07113; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:53:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:53:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:50:54 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: Atari STE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3CA2D96E.136DAC9B@dlcwest.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2gmeYqyRz3zCEtgeVFGA+w)" X-Accept-Language: en References: <200203270212.VAA18214@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_2gmeYqyRz3zCEtgeVFGA+w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > But, if anyone would like an Atari 1040 STE w/whopping 40MB hard > drive & color monitor, let me know. Ahhhh. My old Cubase platform. I > just pitched the Laser printer used with it. It was hard seeing it sit > there out in the snow. If it's free, I'll take it pending a shipping estimate(I won't make you figure it out - I just need your address) If not, how much? Thanks, Shayne --Boundary_(ID_2gmeYqyRz3zCEtgeVFGA+w) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
  But, if anyone would like an Atari 1040 STE w/whopping 40MB hard drive & color monitor, let me know. Ahhhh. My old Cubase platform. I just pitched the Laser printer used with it. It was hard seeing it sit there out in the snow.
If it's free, I'll take it pending a shipping estimate(I won't make you figure it out - I just need your address) If not, how much?
Thanks,
           Shayne --Boundary_(ID_2gmeYqyRz3zCEtgeVFGA+w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 05:08:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13087; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <84.25b4a84b.29d44526@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:06:30 EST Subject: Re: Vortex & Holtek chip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Andy, > > >I think I actually have one of those chips! (in a Maplin project) > > Would that be the 'voice vandal' by any chance? I tried to buy one of > those kits exactly a month after they were withdrawn after being in the > catalogue for > years.. poop! If it was, what does it sound like? I was always intrigued by > those > boxes. Yes, the voice vandal. OK but didn't live up to the blurb. Echo works fine, but changing the echo time doesn't change pitch, just uses less memory (though you can get a pitch change by placing a finger on the circuit, so I think that a mod would be possible) The "pitch shift" is just an oscillator which chops the signal, kind of a ring mod (and leaks into the audio slightly all the time) Well if you really want it, I'd consider a trade maybe. > can't do an easy 'infinite hold' by simply switching the write > enable > line off ( a nice cheap mod for anyone with a digital delay stomp box BTW) > anyway I digress as usual :-) yes, I thought about that idea for my "Vandal", but never got round to it. > > Cheers, > Robin. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 06:07:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16755; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 06:06:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 06:06:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.1baa5a4d.29d452ed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 06:05:17 EST Subject: Re: Cable direction my oh my To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA16702 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > While the following quote is not about analog signals on a cable, this > stereophile article shows measurable differences in jitter from an > spdif source depending on the direction of the cable: > > http://www.stereophile.com/printarchives.cgi?368 > > 'Changing the direction of the digital interconnect between the > transport and the jitter analyzer.=20 Couldn't resist chipping in on this one, I looked up that link, very interesting and informative. ...but it goes on to say "With a good source, cable direction didn't make a difference in the measurable jitter (fig.10). This suggests that the SV-3700—or any poor-quality transmitter—reacts with the cable's impedance to create jitter-inducing reflections in the interface. The directionality was probably caused by differences in the way the two RCA plugs were soldered to the cable; any bumps or discontinuities in the solder or RCA plug will cause a change in the characteristic impedance, which will cause higher-amplitude reflections in one direction than in the other. These reflections set up dynamically changing standing waves in the interface, introducing jitter in the embedded clock. " which means that they don't think it matters which way the cable goes! One directional cables? Well I'll believe it just as soon as I hear it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 08:17:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23790; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:16:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA316D1.B02DC82E@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:12:49 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020327142553.0229b920@mail.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean Echevarria wrote: > > The use (and misuse of) directional cables has a big effect on my sound. I > have my guitar wired with two outputs that I'm able to crossfade > between. I have one cable going in the correct direction and another cable > going in the opposite direction than it was manufactured for. The > crossfader is pedal operated. I get some great contrasting sounds by > crossfading between the two - sometimes people think I'm using a modified > wah/filter/distortion/effect, but nope - just a simple crossfade between > abused directional cables. ROTFL Edualc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 08:21:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24001; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:20:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:20:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: --OT: new Electrix EQKillers for $70-- Message-Id: <28030287.19222@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:20:23 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those interested: The Guitar Factory (in Buffalo, NY, i think) has Electrix EQKillers, NEW, selling for $69.95 plus shipping. 1-800-863-4347 They had four left after i called them. I've never dealt with them before, but these are going for easily twice this on ebay, digibid, etc. -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 08:30:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24306; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:29:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:29:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: , Subject: RE: Attention Dallas - Fort Worth Loopers Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:28:47 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c1d65c$7df55550$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020326025205.006dcbf4@mail.airmail.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2MH0WB.A.X7F.Oqxo8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael, I live in Dallas and think it would be a great idea to get together to expand our knowledge about looping. However, I am still somewhat of a novice and am not sure I would be able to contribute that much. I am also a Wind Synth player, as opposed to being a guitar player which most loopers seem to be. Regards, Steve > Hi, > > Michael Clark here. > > I would like to get a list of Loopers living in the > Dallas-Fort Worth area. > > Maybe we could get together and jam (I have a rehearsal > space), learn something from each other or do something live. > > Why let CA and NY have all the fun? > > This Is Texas, y'all know! > > Just send me an email. > mailto:mcl451@airmail.net Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 08:31:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24461; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:29:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:29:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: --OT: new Electrix EQKillers for $70-- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:29:34 -0600 Message-ID: <001d01c1d65c$997b3b50$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <28030287.19222@webbox.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, Guitar Center has been blowing these out for a while now at $45. Steve > > For those interested: > > The Guitar Factory (in Buffalo, NY, i think) > has Electrix EQKillers, NEW, selling for > $69.95 plus shipping. > > 1-800-863-4347 > > They had four left after i called them. > > I've never dealt with them before, but > these are going for easily twice this > on ebay, digibid, etc. > > -peter > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 10:07:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31511; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:05:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:05:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:58:13 -0800 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Cables have direction/direction my ass To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20020328150353.ZYTU1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@dean> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA31470 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm no electronics whiz, but correct me if i'm wrong here: when a guitar string is vibrating (oscilating), the "signal" (electrical current) swings back and forth between positive and negative...the positive and negative may not be exact mirror images of each other, but very, very close. the result at the end of the chain is a speaker diaphram oscillating inward and outward in correspondence to the vibrating string (save for any fx or processing in between). there is never a flow of current leaving the guitar pickup that is not compensated for by an equal, opposite current (at least when averaged over time)....the speaker cone does not walk across the floor. the illustration would be more like holding a streched out slinky in both hands...moving one hand will cause a "wave" that goes to the other hand, and then bounces back to the source...as opposed to having a ball of string in one hand and feeding it to the other hand. since the flow of electrons is bidirectional, and the negative current affects the sound just as much as the positive current, i can't imagine any reason that an electrical cable would have a directional bias...if it's more effecient, distortion free, or magical in one direction, when the flow of electrons is reversed (when the string goes to the other side of the pickup), it would follow that the extra directional "magic" would not be applied. if you reversed the cable, the benifits of the directional cable would still apply to the signal in an equal way (as the neg part of the waveform is not discarded, but vibrates the air in the opposite direction). i could imagine that there might be differances in cable direction with a dc current (is spidf a dc current...i think so...that might explain the audiophile analysis provided). deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 11:18:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03292; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:15:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020328161456.16566.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Places that accept donated gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009601c1d530$7157a3c0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i don't know if you are into the fix up old units, but i have an ART BCC floorboard, and expression/volume pedal to go with that unit, and a morley fuzz wah that all have something wrong with them...as i am moving this weekend, they will be thrown out within a few days unless you want them... let me know off list...at evanmeyers@yahoo.com --- Butch wrote: > If anyone has any gear they don't want anymore, let > me know what the gear is and I'll take it off your > hands. Especially would like old synthesizers, > effects pedals, guitars, et al. > > Just kidding. It's almost April 1st. > > But, if anyone would like an Atari 1040 STE > w/whopping 40MB hard drive & color monitor, let me > know. Ahhhh. My old Cubase platform. I just pitched > the Laser printer used with it. It was hard seeing > it sit there out in the snow. > > Regards, Paul > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 11:41:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04374; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:33:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020328161456.16566.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <009601c1d530$7157a3c0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:36:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Places that accept donated gear Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i don't know if you are into the fix up old units, but >i have an ART BCC floorboard, and expression/volume >pedal to go with that unit, and a morley fuzz wah that >all have something wrong with them...as i am moving >this weekend, they will be thrown out within a few >days unless you want them... > I've been trying to find a salvage place to give the 98% of a Farfisa organ I have. Cirtcuitry problems and broken stand. But last I tried it, the keyboard action was sweet. So I think it could be good for spare parts. I'll give it to whoever can come (to Ansonia, CT) and take it away. (And heck, we could mess around a bit with the working 'lectronix I have.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 11:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05066; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:44:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:44:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA34855.CC88CA78@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:44:05 -0500 From: Dan Ash Reply-To: danash@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Roland RC-20 query Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got this a day or so before the recent question came up - sorry it looks like it's floated off the active topics... I believe the question was "If I have 5.5 minutes of memory, how can the phrase memory be 'full' after 20 seconds?" I believe that the answer is that the 5.5 minutes is shared by all eleven phrase storage locations. I was struggling with the same question, and also had some problems clearing out phrase storage locations, which isn't as simple as the 'manual' would suggest. It sems that the buttons must be pressed in a certain order to erase a phrase and open up the slot for recording a loop. I'm new to looping and am still trying to get my arms around this tool, but see my next challenge as signal routing. I'm beginning to think I need to add at least one more volume pedal to my rig, so that I may silently input a signal, and then need to be able to fade the device output in or out. Still not sure about what I'll connect where, but I'm happy to see that there is a stereo line input as well as the guitar and mic inputs, although I haven't actually tried to see if all are active at the same time..... Anyway I'm having some fun with some new textures. Dan Ash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 11:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06024; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:57:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:57:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:56:36 -0800 Subject: Re: re[2]: Cables have direction/direction my ass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020328150353.ZYTU1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@dean> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're a smart man Dean. Mark On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 09:58 AM, Dean Stiglitz wrote: > i'm no electronics whiz, but correct me if i'm wrong here: > > when a guitar string is vibrating (oscilating), the "signal" > (electrical current) swings back and forth between positive and > negative...the positive and negative may not be exact mirror images of > each other, but very, very close. the result at the end of the chain > is a speaker diaphram oscillating inward and outward in correspondence > to the vibrating string (save for any fx or processing in between). > there is never a flow of current leaving the guitar pickup that is not > compensated for by an equal, opposite current (at least when averaged > over time)....the speaker cone does not walk across the floor. > > the illustration would be more like holding a streched out slinky in > both hands...moving one hand will cause a "wave" that goes to the other > hand, and then bounces back to the source...as opposed to having a ball > of string in one hand and feeding it to the other hand. > > since the flow of electrons is bidirectional, and the negative current > affects the sound just as much as the positive current, i can't imagine > any reason that an electrical cable would have a directional bias...if > it's more effecient, distortion free, or magical in one direction, when > the flow of electrons is reversed (when the string goes to the other > side of the pickup), it would follow that the extra directional "magic" > would not be applied. if you reversed the cable, the benifits of the > directional cable would still apply to the signal in an equal way (as > the neg part of the waveform is not discarded, but vibrates the air in > the opposite direction). > > i could imagine that there might be differances in cable direction with > a dc current (is spidf a dc current...i think so...that might explain > the audiophile analysis provided). > > deknow > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 12:20:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08341; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA3500D.FDAAD9F0@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:17:01 -0500 From: Dan Ash Reply-To: danash@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Roland RC-20 query] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it is possible to use all 5.5 minutes of memory for a single loop, although I haven't tried this. The manual refers to loading an entire song from CD to use the phrase training capability - you can slow down or speed up a stored phrase without changing the pitch. From what I've seen so far, the artifacts caused by stretching a loop are pretty severe. This aspect offers pretty low-resolution -to be kind... To create a loop using all 5.5 minutes of memory, I assume you'd have to erase all the stored loops in the eleven storage locations to free up all available memory. I would also assume that using all 5.5 minutes for a loop would prevent you from 'overdubbing' because this would probably require system memory, too. As far as demos of this box, I'm afraid I'm nowhere near ready to post anything - it'd just underline my newbie status... :-) Dan Ash -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Roland RC-20 query Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:53:49 EST From: MusicKrafter@aol.com To: danash@attglobal.net Thanks for the info. It's not possible to sample and loop a whole 5 minutes of sound? If you have any sound samples on the web using the RC-20 please let me know, I'd be interested in hearing what this can do. Thanks, Tony In a message dated 3/28/02 11:44:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, danash@attglobal.net writes: > Just got this a day or so before the recent question came up - sorry > it > looks like it's floated off the active topics... > > I believe the question was "If I have 5.5 minutes of memory, how can > the > phrase memory be 'full' after 20 seconds?" > > I believe that the answer is that the 5.5 minutes is shared by all > eleven phrase storage locations. > > I was struggling with the same question, and also had some problems > clearing out phrase storage locations, which isn't as simple as the > 'manual' would suggest. It sems that the buttons must be pressed in a > > certain order to erase a phrase and open up the slot for recording a > loop. > > I'm new to looping and am still trying to get my arms around this > tool, > but see my next challenge as signal routing. I'm beginning to think I > > need to add at least one more volume pedal to my rig, so that I may > silently input a signal, and then need to be able to fade the device > output in or out. Still not sure about what I'll connect where, but > I'm > happy to see that there is a stereo line input as well as the guitar > and > mic inputs, although I haven't actually tried to see if all are active > > at the same time..... > > Anyway I'm having some fun with some new textures. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 12:37:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09528; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:35:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:35:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA35441.62BD02F3@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:34:57 -0500 From: Dan Ash Reply-To: danash@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [Fwd: Roland RC-20 query] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, once the 'phrase used' lamp goes out, the 'phrase track' is empty. But to clear out one of the 11 'phrase tracks', my RC-20 seems to require that I press the following buttons in the following order: - exit&write (this causes both buttons to blink red.) I have to hold down 'exit' and simultaneously press 'write'. - write&exit (this extinguishes the blinking lights, and extinguishes the 'phrase used' indicator.) I have to hold down 'write' and simultaneously press 'exit'. Dan Ash > "Reid, Benjamin" wrote: > > I have the Rc-20. I just press write/edit buttons and when the slot > doesn't show a light anymore I assumed it was empty. not so? > > Ben > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 12:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10278; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:52:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:52:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:51:32 EST Subject: re[2]: Cables have direction/direction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > when a guitar string is vibrating (oscilating), the "signal" (electrical > current) swings back and forth between positive and negative...the positive > and negative may not be exact mirror images of each other, but very, very > close. the result at the end of the chain is a speaker diaphram oscillating > inward and outward That's right, but the change in Voltage does not occur instantaneously at all points in the circuit. It starts at one end of the cable, and travels at the speed of light (in copper) to the other end. So it is directional. ... but don't get me wrong here, I don't believe that one way cable stuff either. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 13:25:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12544; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:23:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:23:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA3604F.C6FB17FE@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:26:23 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Cables/Ass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <9GYW4B.A.oDD.T-1o8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to side with the non-directional faction on this issue. Nice explanation, Dean - it makes a whole lot of sense to me. I can buy the argument that electrons might flow more easily in one direction than the other, but they've got to swim in both directions to transmit audio signal, so it's not going to matter which way the cable points. The only argument I could see for having an arrow on your audio cable would be that (correct me if I'm wrong here, electronics experts) on a shielded cable you're only supposed to connect one end of the shield to ground so as to avoid ground loops. So assuming that all of your cables have arrows on them, and all of the arrows are pointing toward the amplifier end of your signal chain, then that would mean that all of the shields are connected at the "downstream" end, like they're supposed to be. Now, I could possibly be convinced of directionality in digital cables, since they're not carrying an alternating current. My $.02, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 13:43:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13328; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:41:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:41:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: MusicKrafter@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:40:16 EST Subject: Beginning Looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone refer me to the "Beginning Looping" article by David Torn on the web? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 13:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14353; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:57:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:57:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: Crest XR-20 mixer Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:56:10 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000001c1d68a$39ea93b0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1D657.EF5023B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1D657.EF5023B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the subject of mixers has anyone checked out the Crest XR-20. http://www.crestaudio.com/html/xr20.html Looks pretty nice, definitely nicer than my Mackie 1604. Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1D657.EF5023B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On the subject of mixers has anyone checked out the = Crest XR-20.

http://www.crestaudio.c= om/html/xr20.html

 

Looks pretty nice, definitely nicer than my Mackie = 1604.

 

Kevin McPeak

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1D657.EF5023B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 14:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16320; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:09:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:01:52 -0800 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: FWD: re[3]: Cables have direction/direction To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20020328190818.WNXB2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@dean> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA16272 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy, it's true that the voltage swing isn't instantanious, but it does alternate between pushing electrons and pulling them. assuming it happens at the speed of light, and we are not talking about running a guitar cable to mars, the flow of electrons does indeed go both ways...it is alternating directions, but is directional at any single point in time. "sound" is transmited in both directions (pulling and pushing), and they are roughly equal amplitudes. the way you put it, yes, the electrons do move from one end of the cable to the other, but they always move back the other direction as well. i think hans has the right idea...the only directional issue with regards to audio cables is how it's grounded. this might have an effect, if so, the better your grounding to begin with, the less importance the direction of the cable would make..and only if the shield is grounded at only one end. deknow >> That's right, but the change in Voltage does not occur instantaneously at >> all >> points in the circuit. >> It starts at one end of the cable, and travels at the speed of light (in >> copper) to the other end. >> So it is directional. >> ... but don't get me wrong here, I don't believe that one way cable stuff >> either. >> andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 14:26:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16968; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:24:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:24:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA36DCE.240A0969@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:23:52 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FWD: re[3]: Cables have direction/direction References: <20020328190818.WNXB2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@dean> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dean Stiglitz wrote: > andy, it's true that the voltage swing isn't instantanious, but it does alternate between pushing electrons and pulling them. assuming it happens at the speed of light, and we are not talking about running a guitar cable to mars, Speak for yourself silly earthling! On my planet quantum cabling has made it possible for us to transmit our signal to anywhere in the universe instantaneously, and to the future and past! No ground loops either! BTW, the Mars music scene sucks. Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 14:26:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17024; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:25:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:25:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020328110526.02affd60@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:20:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: re: Cable my Ass In-Reply-To: <00df01c1d518$87504280$e862f93f@global> References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you guys are cracking me up. the funniest ones are those who think they know what they are talking about and try to talk authoritatively about it. Such great imaginations! It is always such fun to listen in on people discussing your field of expertise. it happens the job i do in real life is called "signal integrity engineering" where I actually get paid reasonably well to know things about how to get electrical signals from point A to point B. In my case the frequencies are much higher than audio, but the laws of physics are the same. So I actually do know if cables can have direction or not, and why. But I'm not going to tell you. If I did I would miss out on some of these really funny theories! keep it coming, kim At 02:49 PM 3/26/2002, you wrote: >Whew!!!!! I thought this was going to be some juicy S & M porn >spam.......................but................NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 14:37:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17665; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:33:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:33:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020328193323.90032.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:33:23 -0800 (PST) From: Banjology Subject: New Member To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, My name is John, I'm a "jazz" guitarist studying at the University of Southern Maine School of Music. Before that I was at Berklee. I'm a Bill Frisell, John Abercrombie fan, bassicly anything having to do with modern jazz is hip to me. I have been using a Boss GT-3 for loops up till now (the GT-3 is capable of looping up to around 2 seconds, and its incredible for messing with the time and rhythms...great tool) I recently purchased a Digitec PDS 1002, I am very interested in knowing more about extending the delay time up to 8 seconds...i heard it was possible. Thanks for the help John ===== Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 ICQ - 135811954 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 14:37:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17725; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:34:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:34:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Thu, 28 Mar 02 13:38:37 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:32:33 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Cables/Ass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm fairly certain that the only time cable direction is an issue is when you are recording in Dobly. :) -K >>> hans@ernieball.com 03/28/02 12:26PM >>> I have to side with the non-directional faction on this issue. Nice explanation, Dean - it makes a whole lot of sense to me. I can buy the argument that electrons might flow more easily in one direction than the other, but they've got to swim in both directions to transmit audio signal, so it's not going to matter which way the cable points. The only argument I could see for having an arrow on your audio cable would be that (correct me if I'm wrong here, electronics experts) on a shielded cable you're only supposed to connect one end of the shield to ground so as to avoid ground loops. So assuming that all of your cables have arrows on them, and all of the arrows are pointing toward the amplifier end of your signal chain, then that would mean that all of the shields are connected at the "downstream" end, like they're supposed to be. Now, I could possibly be convinced of directionality in digital cables, since they're not carrying an alternating current. My $.02, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 14:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17839; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:36:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:36:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c1d690$64bfa340$6601a8c0@richkroll> From: "Rich Kroll" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:40:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C1D666.7B07C6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C1D666.7B07C6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C1D666.7B07C6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C1D666.7B07C6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 14:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18121; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c1d690$0184ce40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328110526.02affd60@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:37:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah- like the list is just going to let you slide after that comment! Keep it coming indeed! Now, wheres the guy selling peanuts and beer... c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: re: Cable my Ass > you guys are cracking me up. > > the funniest ones are those who think they know what they are talking about > and try to talk authoritatively about it. Such great imaginations! It is > always such fun to listen in on people discussing your field of expertise. > > it happens the job i do in real life is called "signal integrity > engineering" where I actually get paid reasonably well to know things about > how to get electrical signals from point A to point B. In my case the > frequencies are much higher than audio, but the laws of physics are the > same. So I actually do know if cables can have direction or not, and why. > > But I'm not going to tell you. If I did I would miss out on some of these > really funny theories! > > keep it coming, > kim > > > At 02:49 PM 3/26/2002, you wrote: > > >Whew!!!!! I thought this was going to be some juicy S & M porn > >spam.......................but................NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 14:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19178; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:57:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:57:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:56:35 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Cable my Ass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <056b01c1d692$aa3cdfd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328110526.02affd60@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > But I'm not going to tell you. If I did I would miss out on some of these > really funny theories! > > keep it coming, > kim > > come on, make with the science fact. the internet is supposed to be the center of the information revolution, not the mis-information super-trollway... btw, i'm gonna chime in on the no-way-cables-have-direction camp... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:07:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20884; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:05:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:05:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: MusicKrafter@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:04:17 EST Subject: Music? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone ever talk about music here? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:30:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22206; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:28:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:28:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c1d68c$17b9e9b0$6c87abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: Music? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:09:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Does anyone ever talk about music here? Oh yes, but after some time, you find someone who asks. "does anyone ever play music other than discussing about it here ?" I am joking, try start a discussion and you'll find a treasure. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22033; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:24:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:24:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148C9F7@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Music? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:23:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D696.631A9710" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D696.631A9710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:35:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22547; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:34:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:34:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020328143245.009f79f0@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: rjholland@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:33:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Holland Subject: re: Cable my Ass In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020328110526.02affd60@loopers-delight.com> References: <00df01c1d518$87504280$e862f93f@global> <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0Pwn8.A.6fF.z43o8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PLEAAASE put this one to bed. At 11:20 AM 3/28/02 -0800, Kim Flint wrote: >you guys are cracking me up. > >the funniest ones are those who think they know what they are talking >about and try to talk authoritatively about it. Such great imaginations! >It is always such fun to listen in on people discussing your field of >expertise. > >it happens the job i do in real life is called "signal integrity >engineering" where I actually get paid reasonably well to know things >about how to get electrical signals from point A to point B. In my case >the frequencies are much higher than audio, but the laws of physics are >the same. So I actually do know if cables can have direction or not, and why. > >But I'm not going to tell you. If I did I would miss out on some of these >really funny theories! > >keep it coming, >kim > > >At 02:49 PM 3/26/2002, you wrote: > >>Whew!!!!! I thought this was going to be some juicy S & M porn >>spam.......................but................NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22762; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:36:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:36:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c1d665$f0764bd0$40f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <3c.1baa5a4d.29d452ed@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cable direction my oh my Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:36:24 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-Jse3C.A._iF.363o8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ahhh...reason and emperical data...music to my ears... original message: "With a good source, cable direction didn't make a difference in the measurable jitter (fig.10). This suggests that the SV-3700—or any poor-quality transmitter—reacts with the cable's impedance to create jitter-inducing reflections in the interface. The directionality was probably caused by differences in the way the two RCA plugs were soldered to the cable; any bumps or discontinuities in the solder or RCA plug will cause a change in the characteristic impedance, which will cause higher-amplitude reflections in one direction than in the other. These reflections set up dynamically changing standing waves in the interface, introducing jitter in the embedded clock. " which means that they don't think it matters which way the cable goes! One directional cables? Well I'll believe it just as soon as I hear it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22847; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:38:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:38:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a101c1d698$43316c10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328110526.02affd60@loopers-delight.com> <008801c1d690$0184ce40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:36:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let's ALL get involved here! Then Kim can grade our answers and let us know if we passed! Thoughts ($0.02 USD): 1) Bear in mind that the electrons hardly move in signal transmission. There may be some drift with a DC signal. If the electrons had to move, the signal could not propagate at light speed, could it? The disturbance DOES propagate at light speed however. 2) Although we think of connectors and wires as perfect conductors, they are not of course. How imperfect we find them depends on how closely we look and what signals we use. Capacitance and inductance effects are well-known, for instance, and are frequency dependent. Imperfect connections can act as rectifiers, giving a "directionality" to the currect flow. Is any connection perfect? How imperfect does it need to be to have an effect? I'm guessing that any "directionality" of the premium wire is determined more by the properties of the connector than the wire itself. This leads the question: If you replace a connector on a "learned" cable, do you need to send it back to school? 3) Analog audio signals *should* not have a DC component. In the case of transformer balanced inputs, how close is the balance? How good is the transformer? How about the newer OpAmp balanced boards? I'd believe a small DC bias is possible and probably likely. But also not likely to have any effect. 4) Electrical conduction occurs in copper because the energy bands of adjacent atoms (the electron orbitals) are close enough (physically and energy-wise) that a EMF disturbance near one atom affects the energy levels of neighboring atoms. Thus, the disturbance travels as a advancing wavefront. In any ordinary metallic structure, the atoms are roughly regularly spaced; however, there are impurities (atoms of another sort), structural irregularities, and thermal agitation. But we're talking about a HUGE number of atoms in a wire. I find it hard to believe that good quality wire is much different than the oxygen-free, premium stuff. 5) I know more about AES/EBU than S/PDIF. I find it hard to believe that premium cabling makes much difference with AES/EBU. For example, I can transmit wavetables out of my Kyma's AES/EBU ports, bring the signal back in another port, and I get precisely the same data. All of the thousands of sample values are exactly the same - every bit matches. I'm using ordinary mic cables (I think I got them with a batch of SM-57s I bought years ago). 6) The Stereophile article is quite interesting. Thanks! I need to read it in more detail. (Hey! I'm trying to keep an open mind.) So, does fiber optic cable have a direction? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:41:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22938; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:38:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:38:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ae01c1d698$7ca0a380$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Music? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:38:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depends. Does the music have a "direction"? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: Music? > Does anyone ever talk about music here? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:43:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23090; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:40:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010101c1d698$add56120$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328110526.02affd60@loopers-delight.com> <056b01c1d692$aa3cdfd0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Cable my Ass 445738 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:39:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com !!!!!!!!! ATTENTION SEX CRAZED AUDIOPHILES !!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOT SEXY GEAR SLUTS GO BOTH WAYS ON HOT COPPER CABLE!!!! FREE!!!! FREE!!!! FREE!!!! FREE!!!! FREE!!!! FREE!!!! FREE!!!!FREE!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23238; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:42:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:42:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c1d666$ca59b710$40f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Music? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:42:29 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com huh? what is this mysterious "music" thing that you speak of? ; ) just bring up a subject... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:46:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23378; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:43:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:43:01 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Cable my Ass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <059101c1d699$272e2340$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00df01c1d518$87504280$e862f93f@global> <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328143245.009f79f0@students.wisc.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PLEAAASE ignore threads you don't like. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holland" > PLEAAASE put this one to bed. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23964; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c1d668$a39999e0$40f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Subject: Fw: cable directionality physics Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:55:43 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from the man behind the curtain at evidence audio (whose cables are "directional"): ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:13 PM Subject: RE: cable directionality physics The short answer is that there is nothing anyone in my "camp" can say that will please the skeptics. Their idea of the scientific method requires proof measured on a screen or related to a physics model they'll find in a text book. Honestly, the audiophile community hasn't provided sufficient data to back their claims. "We" cable makers & users & listeners, are satisfied with a less rigorous (yet valid) scientific methodology: We listen to a conductor one way vs. another repeatedly and chart our results... one way being preferred over another... hence validating the existance of a difference and the need to pay some attention to it when making cable. Now this approach is "plausible psuedo-science" at best when viewed by the EE community, and I don't have ammunition to argue at a level they want to take it. We can SEE a directional shape in the crystalline structure of drawn copper, and oxides DO form between the crystals, and perhaps there is some diode rectification that occurs rejecting RF interference in one direction vs. another... but this is really just speculation. The difference IS pretty damn small. A larger difference for directionality in cables deals with the shield being attached at one end, to bleed off interference picked up by the shield to the chassis ground of the equipment with a lower ground potential... such as an amplifier with a 3-prong out plug stuck in an outlet... as opposed to a guitar. There's no denying that noise (electricity) will find a quicker path out of the cable towards one end vs. another. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 15:58:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24027; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:56:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:56:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020328205607.94306.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:56:07 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020326025205.006dcbf4@mail.airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought I'd toss forth a quick introduction before I start posting here. I'm Greg House and I live in Wichita, Kansas USA. I've been lurking (reading the archives) for several months. I've enjoyed reading the discussion and would like to start interacting as well. My main instrument is guitar and I loop using a Repeater with various other efx devices. Although I've had the Repeater since December, I still consider myself a neophyte with looping and I'm still very much in experimentation/acquisition mode with my looping rig. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 16:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26022; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:59:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:59:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d901c1d669$2069cf80$40f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328110526.02affd60@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:59:13 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > you guys are cracking me up, etc.< so glad we can entertain... since you are in a position of authority on the subject, why don't you just tell us what you know and let that be that? heaven forbid those of us actually looking for a legitimate answer get just that... respectfully, -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 16:03:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26431; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:02:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:02:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:01:13 -0500 To: Tom Ritchford From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com open loop continues into its second loop, er, month of continuous looping continuity. (many thanks to all the performers and audience members!) open loop is live electronic looping of live and electronic instruments. open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 1pm to 7pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d, New York City. http://loopNY.com This week, we have some timeslots pre-arranged for performers, but we loop continuously (did I mention that?) all afternoon. 1pm: Tobi Joi 2pm: Tom Ritchford 3pm: Stv Jns 5pm: David Beardsley Tobi Joi is a Swiss multi-instrumentalist and looper with a ragged edge and some silliness. This week, he's featuring his home-made Alp-horn passed through an Echoplex Digital Pro. Tom Ritchford is me and you all know too much about me. Stv Jns is the guiding light and spirit behind Chama and Gargoyle Mechanique and will loop and reverse and distort his voice and guitar and perhaps various other gizmos. David Beardsley is the notorious microtonalist, soon to play with fabled Robert Rich at the Knitting Factory. He's premiering a new piece, Raga TNK. See you there! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 16:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26711; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:07:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Thu, 28 Mar 02 15:11:06 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:05:16 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Introduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome, Greg. There are many on the list who have been looping longer than I've done *anything*, and I think the consensus would be that you'll always be in the experimentation mode. That's one of the many beatiful things about this particular intersection of us and our technology. Once again, welcome. -K >>> ghunicycle@yahoo.com 03/28/02 02:56PM >>> I thought I'd toss forth a quick introduction before I start posting here. I'm Greg House and I live in Wichita, Kansas USA. I've been lurking (reading the archives) for several months. I've enjoyed reading the discussion and would like to start interacting as well. My main instrument is guitar and I loop using a Repeater with various other efx devices. Although I've had the Repeater since December, I still consider myself a neophyte with looping and I'm still very much in experimentation/acquisition mode with my looping rig. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 16:10:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27019; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:09:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:09:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01cf01c1d69c$c0b193f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020328205607.94306.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Introduction Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:08:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <-Yhut.A.9kG._Z4o8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome, Greg! We're a little distracted right now, trying to decide which direction to go. Since we're loopers, I know we'll eventually all come around. (Congrats on the Repeater purchase!) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 16:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27365; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:13:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:13:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01a101c1d698$43316c10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328110526.02affd60@loopers-delight.com> <008801c1d690$0184ce40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <01a101c1d698$43316c10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:11:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: digital signals and cables (was Re: Cable my Ass) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >5) I know more about AES/EBU than S/PDIF. I find it hard to believe that >premium cabling makes much difference with AES/EBU. For example, I can >transmit wavetables out of my Kyma's AES/EBU ports, bring the signal back in >another port, and I get precisely the same data. All of the thousands of >sample values are exactly the same - every bit matches. I'm using ordinary >mic cables (I think I got them with a batch of SM-57s I bought years ago). I've had good experiences with mic cables and AES/EBU. HOWEVER, much to my surprise we were able to detect a significant difference when we used "regular" RCA cables to transmit digital audio. There was a noticeable increase in the noise floor and an increase in the error count on the signal. (Yes, we did an A/B blind test. The same test was unable to detect any difference at all between cheapish mic cables and pricey ones...) It has been explained to me as due to the high-frequency nature of the signals but I do not know the precise reason. I hasten to add that "premium" wasn't required. I use Radio Shack video cables for all my digital audio needs and they work just as well as premium ones. Just another data point. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 16:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27012; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:09:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:09:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c1d69c$b8cd7780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020328205607.94306.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Introduction Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:06:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome to the list. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Introduction > I thought I'd toss forth a quick introduction before I > start posting here. > > I'm Greg House and I live in Wichita, Kansas USA. I've > been lurking (reading the archives) for several > months. I've enjoyed reading the discussion and would > like to start interacting as well. > > My main instrument is guitar and I loop using a > Repeater with various other efx devices. Although I've > had the Repeater since December, I still consider > myself a neophyte with looping and I'm still very much > in experimentation/acquisition mode with my looping > rig. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 16:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27913; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:17:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:17:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020328211712.1773.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:17:12 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0O3H4B.A.2zG.Zh4o8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- KEVIN SIMONSON wrote: > There are many on the list who have been looping > longer than I've done > *anything*, and I think the consensus would be that > you'll always be in > the experimentation mode. That's one of the many > beatiful things about > this particular intersection of us and our > technology. Oh yeah, I understand. I've been an electric guitar player for over 20 years and "toy syndrome" rarely subsides for long. I'd just like it to settle down enough that I'd stop being distracted with "what's hooked up where" and be able to make some music. One thing I have discovered though. I also do recording and GTS (Guitar Toy Syndrome) is definitely less expensive then RTS (Recording Toy Syndrome). So, if you can avoid getting sucked into that abyss, let someone else waste their money on nice consoles, mics and processing. Thanks for all the kind welcomes! Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 16:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28787; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [129.120.219.76] From: "adam P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pawn shops Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:30:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2002 21:30:13.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEE509F0:01C1D69F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok... I have a question... Seeing as how I am an avid pawn shopper, I am wondering if anyone else gets unbelievable deals on equipment? So far I have gotten these great deals: Blue/purple Ibanez R 450 with hard case: $280 Excellent condition Peavy Enchor 65 tube amp(best sounding Peavy ever):$150 Excellent con. Peavy Supreme 160 head (great solid state):$220 Excellent con. Ross 10 channel analoge mixer: $180 good con.(depends if you like analoge) Things I wish i would have purchased: Korg drum machine:$150 (!!!GG!!!) Ovation red acoustic (Beyond Excellent con.): $200 (!!!G!!!) MXR phase 100 (great con.): $30 (!!!!G!!!!) 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Against such there is no law."Galatians5:22 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 16:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30710; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:55:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:55:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020328215515.95526.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:55:15 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Fw: cable directionality physics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00d301c1d668$a39999e0$40f8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jimmy Fowler wrote: > Honestly, the audiophile community hasn't provided > sufficient data to back their claims. Agreed. They've provided a lot of subjective pseudo-scientific babble and bizarre theories (skin effect, etc) which can't be proven (or can't be proven at audio frequencies). I could possibly believe that there might be something in some of these cases, but any valid subjective claims get mixed in with the more outlandish unsubstantiatable claims and discredited. > "We" cable makers & users & listeners, are satisfied > with a less rigorous (yet valid) scientific methodology: As a skeptical consumer, when presented with no objective evidence of a dubious audio claim, I'm satisfied to believe someone is attempting to sell me snake oil. For my subjective story, I have some Monster tt patch cords in my studio I got in a package of used equipment. I don't hear any difference between them and the other patchcords I have. If anything, I don't like them as much because they're physically stiff. They also seem to fail more often then my other patch cords (but I don't know their history, so that might not be a fair point of evaluation). And as someone who has a limited equipment budget, I'm generally satisfied with buying good quality cable (Canare, Mogami) and good connectors (Neutrik) and making my own. They're less expensive this way, and easier to repair if they break. > We listen to a conductor one way vs. another > repeatedly and chart our > results... one way being preferred over another... > hence validating the > existence of a difference and the need to pay some > attention to it when making cable. All this manual work to validate the directionality of a cable would certainly explain why they cost so much. Given the absence of anything you can measure with a machine, it would appear this is the only way to do it. > The difference IS pretty damn small. Kind of like how you sometimes think you hear a difference when you twist an EQ knob, only to later discover that the EQ was bypassed? That's embarrassing, but it happens. > A larger difference for directionality in cables > deals with the shield being > attached at one end, to bleed off interference > picked up by the shield to > the chassis ground of the equipment with a lower > ground potential... That's the only time I think a cable would really be directional. If the shield is isolated from the signal conductors and attached at one end, you have the opportunity to send it to the device with a more direct ground and potentially decrease your noise floor a few db while reducing the possibility of ground loops between equipment. Win-win. (provided you have enough wires in the cable to carry all the signals you need without needing to use the shield to do double duty carrying a signal ground). Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 17:04:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32118; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:01:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:01:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020328220133.49953.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:01:33 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: FWD: re[3]: Cables have direction/direction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CA36DCE.240A0969@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Dean Stiglitz wrote: > > > andy, it's true that the voltage swing isn't > instantanious, but it does alternate between pushing > electrons and pulling them. assuming it happens at > the speed of light, and we are not talking about > running a guitar cable to mars, > > Speak for yourself silly earthling! On my planet > quantum cabling has made it possible for us to > transmit our signal to anywhere in the universe > instantaneously, and to the future and past! No > ground loops either! Judging from the photos of your Loopstock rig, you may indeed have enough cable in those snarls to reach other planets. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 17:14:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00315; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:12:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:12:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.143] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <01ae01c1d698$7ca0a380$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Music? Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:20:02 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2002 22:11:03.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[733733B0:01C1D6A5] Resent-Message-ID: <4j4k9B.A.e_H.WU5o8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL!!! :-D ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:08 AM Subject: Re: Music? > Depends. Does the music have a "direction"? > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:04 PM > Subject: Music? > > > > Does anyone ever talk about music here? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 17:17:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00507; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:16:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:16:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01a101c1d698$43316c10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:20:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe all cables have a spiritual path. At least thats what the tiny creatures who live in my closet tell me. I've been told I have a monster cable. The scary thing is, I have seven! chillyb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 17:30:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01047; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:28:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:28:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CA00@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Cable my Ass Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:28:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D6A7.E1E8AFD0" Resent-Message-ID: <-Qrg9.A.IQ.1j5o8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D6A7.E1E8AFD0 Content-Type: text/plain yea, i used to walk the path of unrighteousness, i was a lost sheep, not knowing my direction from forward or backward, in or out, side to side. my electrons did get lost on the way to the great loop, never finding their circular bliss and oneness. unrequited was my thirst for infinite return. then, lo, did an angel touch me and led me onto the the path of the one true faith, the happy path of those who know, those who spit on those who are still the unwashed, the right true way of salvation, of cabletology . . . Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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yea, i used to walk the path of unrighteousness, i was a = lost sheep, not knowing my direction from forward or backward, in or out, s= ide to side. my electrons did get lost on the way to the great loop, never = finding their circular bliss and oneness. unrequited was my thirst for infi= nite return.

then, lo, did an angel touch me and led me onto the the p= ath of the one true faith, the happy path of those who know, those who spit= on those who are still the unwashed, the right true way of salvation, of c= abletology . . .


 



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D6A7.E1E8AFD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 18:05:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04283; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:03:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:03:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: tackhead11@netscape.net Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:02:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ernie ball volume scratchy Message-ID: <21D8913F.718FDBBD.1058E993@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I replaced mine with a 'Jim Dunlop'replacement whawha pot, 500k i think, store bought 3 years ago, and it's still fine. David Beardsley wrote: >I bought this new less than a year ago >and it's already noisy. I cleaned the cable tips >and the inputs on the pedalwith alcohol: still noise. >I tried to spray the contol pot with tv tuner lube >but I'm not even getting any lube into the pot! > >It only makes noise when there's sound going through >the pedal, otherwise it's quiet. > >I'm in a jam, I'd like to play open loop on Sat. >and have a big gig on Monday. > > >* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 18:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06299; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:46:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:46:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020328234609.43080.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:46:09 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: digital signals and cables (was Re: Cable my Ass) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > HOWEVER, much to my surprise we were able to detect > a significant difference when we used "regular" RCA > cables to transmit digital audio. That's probably because digital transfer cables are a different impedence then analog audio cables. S/PDIF cables are supposed to be 75 ohm, so by using the wrong cable, you probably got enough additional jitter to make audible artifacts on playback. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 19:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08576; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:12:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:12:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:00:21 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Crest XR-20 mixer In-reply-to: <000001c1d68a$39ea93b0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000001c1d68a$39ea93b0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Resent-Message-ID: <_yhYB.A.gFC.qF7o8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:56 PM -0600 3/28/02, plain jane wrote: >On the subject of mixers has anyone checked out the Crest XR-20. > >http://www.crestaudio.com/html/xr20.html This also looks good. It lacks the XLR group outputs, though they are balanced TRS. The six aux sends are switchable pre-post in pairs, so it is even more flexible in this respect than the Allen & Heath. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 19:38:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09545; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:37:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:37:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c1d6b8$c6526660$be00a8c0@oemcomputer.mchsi.com> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Crest XR-20 mixer Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:29:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com man i was pretty horny for a mackie 3204 (mainly because of the stereo aux sends and stereo linked inputs) ... this _may_ change my mind. i don't know though ... it's pretty expensive. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Crest XR-20 mixer >At 12:56 PM -0600 3/28/02, plain jane wrote: >>On the subject of mixers has anyone checked out the Crest XR-20. >> >>http://www.crestaudio.com/html/xr20. html > >This also looks good. It lacks the XLR group outputs, though they are >balanced TRS. The six aux sends are switchable pre-post in pairs, so >it is even more flexible in this respect than the Allen & Heath. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 20:05:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12328; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:04:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:04:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA3BE57.75639800@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:07:35 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Gig SPAM - Los Osos/San Luis Obispo, CA 3/28-29/2002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: armatronix@charter.net From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Friends, Please come check out the following events this weekend, and show your support for new music on the Central Coast: * Thursday, March 28th @ Sweet Springs Saloon, Los Osos, 7 pm - midnight, $3 Andre LaFosse and Max Valentino will perform their unique styles of improvisational, loop-based music both solo and as a duo. * Friday, March 29th @ Boo Boo Records, SLO, 7-9 pm, FREE Max Valentino will present pieces from his new CD _A_Caravan_of_Dreams_ on solo bass, and Andre LaFosse will adapt material from his CD _Disruption_Theory_ for solo guitar. * Friday, March 29th @ Frog and Peach Pub, SLO, 10 pm - 1:30 am, FREE Andre LaFosse and Max Valentino will join Armatronix for an evening of live electronic music for listening and dancing. See you there, -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 20:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13397; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:27:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:27:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:17:38 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Crest XR-20 mixer In-reply-to: <002501c1d6b8$c6526660$be00a8c0@oemcomputer.mchsi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Eric Williamson , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002501c1d6b8$c6526660$be00a8c0@oemcomputer.mchsi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:29 PM -0600 3/28/02, Eric Williamson wrote: >i don't know though ... it's pretty expensive. I suppose you get what you pay for - if you can pay for it. I know what you mean. I've been putting up with the Mackie 1604 just because the amount of performing I was doing didn't justify the outlay. Now that may be changing. My home studio has a set of Speck SSM mixers - even more expensive than the ones we've been talking about, but with their own sets of limitations. Eight auxiliary sends, but only two channel stereo out. I also have a Speck Assign 28 (28 x 8) that can be used to turn the SSM into an 8-bus, but it becomes a bit awkward for a live performance situation. On the subject of the Crest X-Rack Series: The XR-20 is one of three. The XR-24 is nearly identical, but instead of 12 mono + 4 stereo inputs it has 8 mono inputs + 8 stereo inputs. The XRM is a monitor mix configuration with rotary pots rather than faders on the inputs. 12 mono + 4 stereo inputs. 12 mono mixes or 6 stereo mixes. It has the same number of buses as the other two models, but rather than being divided between aux send and group/master out functions they are all equivalent. It would make a killer effects routing system if you could keep track of everything. As Eric points out, these are a bit pricey: XR-20 $2200 XR-24 $2400 XRM $2600 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 20:46:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14313; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.243c6db9.29d52112@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:44:50 EST Subject: Re: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9e.243c6db9.29d52112_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9e.243c6db9.29d52112_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/28/02 3:56:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > I still consider > myself a neophyte with looping and I'm still very much > in experimentation/acquisition mode with my looping > rig. > welcome greg.....you have come to the right place, i think we are all in the same boat.....michael k --part1_9e.243c6db9.29d52112_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/28/02 3:56:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:


I still consider
myself a neophyte with looping and I'm still very much
in experimentation/acquisition mode with my looping
rig.


welcome greg.....you have come to the right place, i think we are all in the same boat.....michael k --part1_9e.243c6db9.29d52112_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 20:51:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14673; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:50:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:50:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <109.fe25e81.29d5221f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:49:19 EST Subject: Re: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_109.fe25e81.29d5221f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_109.fe25e81.29d5221f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/28/02 4:02:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes: > open loop continues tom and company.....i feel a real sense of energy around "open loop", im dyin to come up.....keep up the great work!.....michael k --part1_109.fe25e81.29d5221f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/28/02 4:02:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes:


open loop continues


tom and company.....i feel a real sense of energy around "open loop", im dyin to come up.....keep up the great work!.....michael k --part1_109.fe25e81.29d5221f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 21:43:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17635; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:42:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:42:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c1d6ca$3fdbecc0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer.mchsi.com> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Crest XR-20 mixer Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:34:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dr zvonar wrote: >My home studio has a set of Speck SSM mixers - even more expensive >than the ones we've been talking about, but with their own sets of >limitations. ah yes ... speck. they make this mixer now: http://www.speck.com/xmix_2.shtml it has _it's_ limitations, as well. you get 8 busses and 8 sends, but they aren't independantly addressable. so frustrating an issue ... it makes me want to build my own mixer from synthesizers.com modules hahahah.... >The XRM is a monitor mix configuration with rotary pots rather than >faders on the inputs. 12 mono + 4 stereo inputs. 12 mono mixes or 6 _that's_ the one that i wanted originally. i really am not a big fan of linear potentiometers ... knobs have always felt better to me. on a completely different note, i'm rather impressed with your resume ... having worked with 2 of the most-interesting-yet-underrated female musicians of the 20th century: diamanda galas and pauline oliveros. i believe we have dear pauline to thank for this whole ambient looping thing. oh yeah and diamanda is the sexiest woman alive. :) Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 22:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21004; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:40:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:40:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.8f8c4c2.29d53be4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:39:16 EST Subject: Re: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Old loopers never die they just decay at an unmeasurable rate.Not that that rate of decay won't be debated or the question of their having gone both ways...as it were. b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 28 23:25:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24085; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:24:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:24:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:20:34 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Crest XR-20 mixer In-reply-to: <002201c1d6ca$3fdbecc0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer.mchsi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Eric Williamson , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002201c1d6ca$3fdbecc0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer.mchsi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:34 PM -0600 3/28/02, Eric Williamson wrote: >ah yes ... speck. they make this mixer now: http://www.speck.com/xmix_2.shtml >it has _it's_ limitations, as well. you get 8 busses and 8 sends, but they >aren't independantly addressable. XTRAMIX seems to have supplanted the SSM in a lot of racks. As always there is a tradeoff between functionality and compactness. The Speck mixers have been in vogue among L.A. session players. I bought mine from a film composer who was moving to New York. >having worked with 2 of the most-interesting-yet-underrated female >musicians of the 20th century: diamanda galas and pauline oliveros. I've worked with Pamela Z and Laurie Anderson as well, though not to the extent of the work with PO and DG. Over the years I've collaborated with quite a few amazingly talented women (and gay men too, for that matter). I generally prefer to keep the gender energies nicely balanced. >i believe we have dear pauline to thank for this whole ambient looping thing. I agree. >oh yeah and diamanda is the sexiest woman alive. :) No comment. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 02:10:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01154; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:09:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:09:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:10:06 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Review: Pedro Felix at Chama 3.28.2002 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <005801c1d6f0$c155b800$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xewyAOcpSX2wxQDrTjsLkw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3RnyM.A.tR.PMBp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_xewyAOcpSX2wxQDrTjsLkw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I caught the Pedro Felix Experience earlier this evening and it was real nice to catch him in an extended setting. He played for about an hour and a half with his Steinberger guitar and a small rack with three Digitech echo/looping devices, an EDP and bunch of modified switching devices. What did it sound like? Mr. Felix will loop his gtr and then speed it up or slow it down, wait and then add a live part. Or layer parts and change the speed of the loop. Who does the Pedro Felix Experience sound like? Sorta like Pauline Oliveros crossed with John Zorn or Elliott Sharp, but different - he sounds like himself. What I heard sounds like a kid abusing a turntable in realtime with guitar player from Mars as the source and that's good! loop you later... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_xewyAOcpSX2wxQDrTjsLkw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I caught the Pedro Felix Experience earlier this evening
and it was real nice to catch him in an extended setting.
He played for about an hour and a half with his Steinberger
guitar and a small rack with three Digitech echo/looping
devices, an EDP and bunch of modified switching devices.
 
What did it sound like? Mr. Felix will loop his gtr and then
speed it up or slow it down, wait and then add a live part.
Or layer parts and change the speed of the loop.
 
Who does the Pedro Felix Experience sound like?
Sorta like Pauline Oliveros crossed with John Zorn or
Elliott Sharp, but different - he sounds like himself.
What I heard sounds like a kid abusing a turntable in realtime
with guitar player from Mars as the source and that's good!
 
loop you later...
 
--Boundary_(ID_xewyAOcpSX2wxQDrTjsLkw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 03:37:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05137; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:36:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:36:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:36:05 -0800 Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00d901c1d669$2069cf80$40f8c440@g0wn7> Message-Id: <023282B9-42F0-11D6-8A11-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, that's pretty bad, saying you've got a definitive answer, and then running away. Here's my question, you're walking in a desert. You come across a tortoise on it's back... On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >> you guys are cracking me up, etc.< > > so glad we can entertain... > > since you are in a position of authority on the subject, why don't you > just > tell us what you know and let that be that? heaven forbid those of us > actually looking for a legitimate answer get just that... > > respectfully, > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 03:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05963; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:53:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:53:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:45:41 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Cable my Ass In-reply-to: <023282B9-42F0-11D6-8A11-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <023282B9-42F0-11D6-8A11-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:36 AM -0800 3/29/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >...you're walking in a desert. You come across a tortoise on it's back... What's a tortoise? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 04:00:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07420; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:59:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:59:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c1d6cd$c059e0c0$0ef8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: pawn shops Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:59:30 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i live in a smaller town, so the pawn shops are pretty pathetic...never a choice piece of gear, even for the eclectics. so i resort to paying TOO MUCH on ebay. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 04:03:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07896; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:02:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:02:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:02:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-430630796 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <023282B9-42F0-11D6-8A11-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-430630796 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hey, at this link=20 http://signal.ece.utexas.edu/seminars/dsp_seminars/01fall/AudioMyths.pdf I found this: PO: Unscrupulous or deluded stereo store owners =01 RP: A nice simple tweak, pricey cables look cool =01 ST: Cables are made by drawing them in one direction, so they are directional; copper crystals act as rectifiers =01 TM: Big fat cables with arrows on them =01 RT: No known physical theory could explain suggested rectification; measurements show no effect; audio signals are AC anyway which is pretty much what I thought. I don't claim to be an equipment=20= designer, or an ee, but the guy who wrote the above claims to have a=20 Phd, which beats my two pair. Anyway, I'd love to be proven wrong, if I=20= am. Mark On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 12:36 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Yeah, that's pretty bad, saying you've got a definitive answer, and=20 > then running away. Here's my question, you're walking in a desert. =20= > You come across a tortoise on it's back... > > > On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > >>> you guys are cracking me up, etc.< >> >> so glad we can entertain... >> >> since you are in a position of authority on the subject, why don't = you=20 >> just >> tell us what you know and let that be that? heaven forbid those of = us >> actually looking for a legitimate answer get just that... >> >> respectfully, >> >> -jim >> >> > --Apple-Mail-1-430630796 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hey, at this link http://signal.ece.utexas.edu/seminars/dsp_seminars/01fall/AudioMyths.pdf I found this: Lucida = Grande2A2A,1111,F6F6= PO: = 8C8C,9696,A5A5Unscrupulous or deluded stereo store owners = 2A2A,1111,F6F6=01 RP: = 8C8C,9696,A5A5A nice simple tweak, pricey cables look cool = 2A2A,1111,F6F6=01 ST: = 8C8C,9696,A5A5Cables are made by drawing them in one direction, so they are directional; copper crystals act as rectifiers = 2A2A,1111,F6F6=01 TM: = 8C8C,9696,A5A5Big fat cables with arrows on them = 2A2A,1111,F6F6=01 RT: = 8C8C,9696,A5A5No known physical theory could explain suggested rectification; measurements show no effect; audio signals are AC anyway which is pretty much what I thought. I don't claim to be an equipment designer, or an ee, but the guy who wrote the above claims to have a Phd, which beats my two pair. Anyway, I'd love to be proven wrong, if I am. = Mark On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 12:36 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: Yeah, that's pretty bad, saying you've got a definitive answer, and then running away. Here's my question, you're walking in a desert. You come across a tortoise on it's back... On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: you guys are cracking me up, etc.<< so glad we can entertain... since you are in a position of authority on the subject, why don't you just tell us what you know and let that be that? heaven forbid those of us actually looking for a legitimate answer get just that... respectfully, -jim = --Apple-Mail-1-430630796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 04:04:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08101; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:03:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:03:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:03:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com REPLACANT! On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 12:45 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 12:36 AM -0800 3/29/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> ...you're walking in a desert. You come across a tortoise on it's >> back... > > What's a tortoise? > -- > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 04:24:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08797; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:23:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:15:39 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Cable my Ass In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:03 AM -0800 3/29/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >REPLACANT! Sure...I guess... -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 04:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09249; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:33:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:33:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:32:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2002 09:32:39.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAEA5710:01C1D704] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No need to tell me about your mother then. >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Cable my Ass >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:15:39 -0800 > >At 1:03 AM -0800 3/29/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>REPLACANT! > >Sure...I guess... >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 04:44:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09675; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:43:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:43:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.1d6ca31f.29d5910a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:42:34 EST Subject: re[3]: Cables have direction/direction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <5S0pzC.A.CXC.rcDp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > andy, it's true that the voltage swing isn't instantanious, but it does > alternate between pushing electrons and pulling them. > the way you put it, yes, the electrons do move from one end of the cable to > the other, but they always move back the other direction as well. > Hi Dean, all you say is correct, especially about the relative distances involved. ..... but I think you missed the point. I'm not talking flow of electrons here, but the propagation of the Voltage change along the cable. Think of sound traveling through air, the molecules end up in the same place, but the sound travels in one direction. The other analogy I thought of would be singing (not playing) into a didjeridoo. Bet it would sound different depending which end you sang into (didj players??). Anyway, at the moment I'm not tempted to try my cables in different directions, and I bet what Hans says holds most of the answer to this. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 09:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25824; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:12:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:12:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c1d746$5d9f7b60$1c011342@waldo> From: "deknow" To: References: <9c.1d6ca31f.29d5910a@aol.com> Subject: Re: re[3]: Cables have direction/direction Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:22:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, i may not understand how things really work, but here is my working model (in my brain). the propogation of a voltage change is the direct result of the migration of electrons from one molocule to another along the cable. it is the abundance or scarcity of electrons that defines a positive and negative voltage (in relation to ground...at the ground state, there is neither an abundance or scarcity). if this isn't what "voltage" is, then what is it? deknow ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: re[3]: Cables have direction/direction > > andy, it's true that the voltage swing isn't instantanious, but it does > > alternate between pushing electrons and pulling them. > > > the way you put it, yes, the electrons do move from one end of the cable > to > > the other, but they always move back the other direction as well. > > > > Hi Dean, all you say is correct, especially about the relative distances > involved. > ..... but I think you missed the point. > I'm not talking flow of electrons here, > but the propagation of the Voltage change along the cable. > Think of sound traveling through air, the molecules end up in the same place, > but the sound travels in one direction. > > The other analogy I thought of would be singing (not playing) > into a didjeridoo. Bet it would sound different depending which end you > sang into (didj players??). > > Anyway, at the moment I'm not tempted to try my cables in different > directions, and I bet what Hans says holds most of the answer to this. > > andy butler > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 09:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26367; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:22:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:22:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024801c1d72d$04ef0d00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:21:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <5yBxfB.A.IbG.IiHp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://signal.ece.utexas.edu/seminars/dsp_seminars/01fall/AudioMyths.pdf Thanks for the link, Mark! Good reading! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 10:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30635; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:52:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:52:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:52:10 -0500 Subject: ...new music online from TCReynolds From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey y'all... I humbly submit for your hearage some music I've been working on with mucho loopage... If you download the mp3 or mp3's at the top of this page... (3 or 16 minute edits), you will hear a live version of myself on violin and jesse stiles on laptop with MAX/MSP. Drum loops are the only thing that are NOT Violin on the tracks. Jesse takes my rig directly and processes it, loops and all... The entire track is done in real time with no pre-prepared loops... Oberheim, Repeater, Lex MPX G2, LXP 1 and 5,,, dass all... Syncage from from titanium... http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.htm I don't post here that often, but I love this list and all it's resources and peoples... I live in NYC and am a founding member of the mahavishnu project and steve reich's band for many years... Much respect and best wishes to all... Best, Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 11:24:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00690; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:22:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:22:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329102019.0247a0b0@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: rjholland@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:20:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Holland Subject: Re: Cable my Ass In-Reply-To: <059101c1d699$272e2340$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <00df01c1d518$87504280$e862f93f@global> <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328143245.009f79f0@students.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1oh2jC.A.PK.XSJp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually started the thread, it is not that I don't like it, it is that I would love to see someone with technical competance give us the answer resolving the issue. At 02:43 PM 3/28/02 -0600, you wrote: >PLEAAASE ignore threads you don't like. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Holland" > > > > PLEAAASE put this one to bed. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 13:00:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06590; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA4AAEF.9C494A5E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:57:04 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ...new music online from TCReynolds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2PC8U.A.TmB.AsKp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amazing!.... I'm half way through the long mix and I LOVE it! If you're ever in the SF area I'd love to see your performance. Makes me long to be back in NYC. Mark todd reynolds wrote: > Hey y'all... > > I humbly submit for your hearage some music I've been working on with mucho > loopage... > > If you download the mp3 or mp3's at the top of this page... (3 or 16 minute > edits), you will hear a live version of myself on violin and jesse stiles > on laptop with MAX/MSP. Drum loops are the only thing that are NOT Violin > on the tracks. Jesse takes my rig directly and processes it, loops and > all... The entire track is done in real time with no pre-prepared loops... > Oberheim, Repeater, Lex MPX G2, LXP 1 and 5,,, dass all... Syncage from > from titanium... > > http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.htm > > I don't post here that often, but I love this list and all it's resources > and peoples... I live in NYC and am a founding member of the mahavishnu > project and steve reich's band for many years... > > Much respect and best wishes to all... > > Best, > > Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 13:08:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08052; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:01:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:01:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <109.fe25e81.29d5221f@aol.com> References: <109.fe25e81.29d5221f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:00:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >tom and company.....i feel a real sense of energy around "open >loop", im dyin to come up.....keep up the great work!.....michael k Any time, any time you like! This is in a very real sense a dream come true, a place where music weirdos, er, unique people, can hang out and play every week... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 13:53:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12115; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:51:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:51:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:51:38 -0500 Subject: Request help and advice on simple EDP process... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear friends... Would appreciate some support on this one... Phil Kline is writing 24 looping etudes for me... So far after 4, all problems solved using EDP... Now I'm running into what would seem simple, but end up being complicated, problems... Basic concept of this etude is... Build up 5 loops, then play over it removing one loop at a time, leaving original two... Loops are 8 bars of 4/4 at 48 to the quarter, so they're pretty long... Barlines are seamless, so cannot have double button pushes... Having moreloops set to 5, by the way... First, the Undo option... Seems to take two button pushes to have anything happen anyway, then only partially undoes... So virtually unreliable... Next, the Nextloop option... Turns out I can do that sort of, by copying material, but cannot end record with nextloop, only with overdub so can only use nextloop with two cycles inside one loop, etc..., then cycle back through the loops, back to loop 2, then back to loop 1, etc... The problem is that I don't really have the time at the end of the piece to go through 5 whole cycles to undo one level at a time using nextloop... Well, now I've confused myself... Is this clear enough to anybody to begin a discussion? Questions... Is there something about undo that I'm missing? Such that a button depression would actually immediately take off layers without going through a whole other cycle? Yes, there is plenty of memory available... And is there a way of using nextloop as a sort of overdub function?f Thanks in advance... Best, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 13:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12295; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:53:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:53:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:52:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: ...new music online from TCReynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:52 AM -0500 3/29/2002, todd reynolds wrote: >Hey y'all... > >I humbly submit for your hearage some music I've been working on with mucho >loopage... Wow, very impressive stuff, especially for real time! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 13:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12568; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:56:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c1d753$3b588940$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <00df01c1d518$87504280$e862f93f@global> <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328143245.009f79f0@students.wisc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020329102019.0247a0b0@students.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:54:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4kA9c.A.AED.uiLp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is not definitive scientific evidence- and it comes right from the Monster site but I watched the whole thing and found it compelling. http://www.monstercable.com/famous/producers_engineers.html Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 14:40:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16555; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:39:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:39:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:39:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Request help and advice on simple EDP process...(more) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One more thing... Was trying to deal with feedback in nextloop (as in playing a loop in with feedback down via the knob) so as to only have one repeat of the added cycle to the previous loop ... But it appears now the knob doesn't work "that way"... No feedback pedal inserted, by the way... By the by, more info is that this is recently returned from shane with an absolutely clean bill of health... Has to be operator malfunction... Sorry I'm lost... I never seem to know enough about this machine, even with all the stellar printed stuff on the site... Which I have as a sort of second manual... On 3/29/02 1:51 PM, "todd reynolds" wrote: > Dear friends... Would appreciate some support on this one... > > Phil Kline is writing 24 looping etudes for me... So far after 4, all > problems solved using EDP... Now I'm running into what would seem simple, > but end up being complicated, problems... > > Basic concept of this etude is... Build up 5 loops, then play over it > removing one loop at a time, leaving original two... Loops are 8 bars of 4/4 > at 48 to the quarter, so they're pretty long... Barlines are seamless, so > cannot have double button pushes... Having moreloops set to 5, by the > way... > > First, the Undo option... Seems to take two button pushes to have anything > happen anyway, then only partially undoes... So virtually unreliable... > > Next, the Nextloop option... Turns out I can do that sort of, by copying > material, but cannot end record with nextloop, only with overdub so can only > use nextloop with two cycles inside one loop, etc..., then cycle back > through the loops, back to loop 2, then back to loop 1, etc... The problem > is that I don't really have the time at the end of the piece to go through 5 > whole cycles to undo one level at a time using nextloop... > > Well, now I've confused myself... Is this clear enough to anybody to begin a > discussion? > > Questions... Is there something about undo that I'm missing? Such that a > button depression would actually immediately take off layers without going > through a whole other cycle? Yes, there is plenty of memory available... > > And is there a way of using nextloop as a sort of overdub function?f > > > Thanks in advance... > > > Best, > > Todd > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 14:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16912; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:45:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:45:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.b6d92ba.29d61e08@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:44:08 EST Subject: Re: re[3]: Cables have direction/direction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ok, i may not understand how things really work, but here is my working > model (in my brain). > > the propogation of a voltage change is the direct result of the migration of > electrons from one molocule to another along the cable. it is the abundance > or scarcity of electrons that defines a positive and negative voltage (in > relation to ground...at the ground state, there is neither an abundance or > scarcity). if this isn't what "voltage" is, then what is it? > > deknow That's a definition of charge. Voltage is "the potential difference between two points in a circuit" ...honest it is, I looked it up. let's go off list if you want to debate further, folks are starting to snigger. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 14:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17367; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: experimental show in LA Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:51:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2002 19:51:25.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C2CFA30:01C1D75B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm driving down to this event on Sunday with one of the perfomers. I wonder if there will be any L.A. loopers in attendance...? ------------------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:00:29 -0600 From: "Russell, Josh (JC)" Subject: "a day of attention" sunday march 31st/akira rabelais article/rad io shows reminder. hope to see some you southern california residents there! SOUND: "day of attention" sunday march 31st date: sunday march 31st, 2002 time: 4pm - midnight location: rocco [whoose cafe] 6320 santa monica blvd. hollywood, california 323.462.8500 suggested donation: $7 performances by: bob l. sturm tucker dulin + nick hennies josh russell jeffry roden civyiu kkliu f100 quiet american electric company steve roden shuttle358 akira rabelais + film by temisan okpaku due to the length of the event food and drinks will be provided at cost. please arrive early, eat with us, and settle in for the evening. we encourage people to bring pillows, blankets and/or whatever else makes them comfortable. ------------ PRINT: the current la weekly has a feature on akira rabelais. you can read it here http://www.laweekly.com/music/ ------------ RADIO: in conjunction with the march 31st "day of attention" event some of the performers will be showing up to play at a couple los angeles areas stations. they both have internet streaming accessible at the links below. saturday march 30th 12-2pm pacific time KUCI irvine CA www.KUCI.org - streaming shuttle358 jeffry roden bob l. sturm civyiu kkiu josh russell and 9pm-12am pacific time KSPC pasadena CA www.KSPC.org - streaming jeffry roden civyiu kkiu josh russell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 15:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20570; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:20:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:20:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:12:38 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: experimental show in LA In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <5QEMID.A.yAF.6xMp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:51 AM -0800 3/29/02, matt davignon wrote: >I'm driving down to this event on Sunday with one of the perfomers. >I wonder if there will be any L.A. loopers in attendance...? Thanks for the notice. I hadn't heard about this and will certainly try to attend at least part of it. Rocco the venue is intimate and comfy, and Rocco the proprietor is a great guy. The Los Angeles chapter of American Composers Forum has started holding our Salon series there. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 15:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21048; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:26:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:26:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Open Letter to the General Looping Community regarding Video Demosof Looping Devices From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C992216.E8C99A90@altruistmusic.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 3/20/02 6:58 PM, "Andre LaFosse" wrote: > Hi Rick and others, > > I'm about 1/3 of the way through the text portion of a three-part EDP > demo/tutorial addition to my web site. I still need to finish text, do > the coding, and upload a few more audio examples, but hopefully it'll be > up and running early- to mid-April. > > If anyone has specific questions or issues with the EDP that they > haven't found good answers to, go ahead and drop me an email and I'll > see if it's something I'm qualified to touch on. Better yet, post it to > the list, and maybe someone else can answer it for everyone (myself included!) > > I certainly don't consider myself an expert on the EDP, but I do think > that some sort of documented explanation of specific audio examples > might be a good place to start, and that's what I'm working on at the moment. > > Needless to say, I'll holler when it's up and running. > > Best wishes, > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > Dear andre... Todd here... An ardent fan, by the way... I posted some issues I'm having earlier today... Subsequent to reading your offer, I wonder perhaps if you might have some advice... I hope my posts are clear enough... It's using the edp in a completely composed setting... Best, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 16:12:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24593; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:09:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:09:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:08:51 -0500 Subject: Somebody was asking after vocal loopers? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.theobleckmann.com I work with him all the time... Many albums to his credit... Uses jamman, toys, whammy pedal... One of my favorite artists to listen to and to work with... Simply an sm58 with a transformer...into the whammy... Best, Todd Oh, by the by, I'm a big pamela z fan as well... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 16:41:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26379; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:40:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c1d76a$367c3720$570f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:39:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler >cables have directionality, despite arguments to the contrary. it has to do >with the structure of the copper "lining up" in such a way that facilitates >better signal transfer. Please allow me to put on my electronics engineering hat a moment. How does one line up copper? I need to see the physics of copper molecules orienting themselves as the liquid metal cools into wire. Someone's pulling your leg. Lines up indeed. >basically, cables are tested before they leave the >shop/factory/garage marking the direction. however, it takes hours of >actual signal carrying for the cable to "learn" the direction and utilize >this natural physical attribute. And how does passing a signal through wire teach it anything? There is no physics to this marketing BS. >no offense intended, but all copper wire isn't the same. the only >difference is the level of purity. is this an audiophile issue? yes. can >the average joe hear a difference in copper purity? probably not. there >are, however, devices that determine this level of purity. the impurities >act as speed bumps, sort of...the more impurities, the less your signal will >travel uninterrupted. Yes, impurities change the resistance of copper wire. And that's it. Level drop will result. But wire is so pure that, the difference between 100% pure copper and the worst wire you ever bought will not cause a perceptible change in amplitude of the signal it passes. And frequency response is unaffected. [Disclaimer: I'm talking about AUDIO band analog signals.] Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 16:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26965; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:46:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:46:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c1d76b$0ae46fa0$570f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Cable direction my ass Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:45:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Bret >While the following quote is not about analog signals on a cable, this >stereophile article shows measurable differences in jitter from an >spdif source depending on the direction of the cable: >http://www.stereophile.com/printarchives.cgi?368 >'Changing the direction of the digital interconnect between the >transport and the jitter analyzer. Now you're talking about frequencies that are MUCH higher than the audio band. Complex impedences take effect. An improper cable, a bad connection, etc. can cause REFLECTIONS of the signal resulting in jitter. Direction can affect signal integrity in this situation. But that has nothing to do with the copper of the wire. Remember, this is NOT an audio band signal. The physical design of wire, insulation (material MATTERS), ground, shape, connectors, etc. could affect what goes on here. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 18:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03097; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:53:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c1d74a$9f06f6b0$28f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <00ae01c1d76a$367c3720$570f5cd1@-> Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:53:22 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4miSsD.A.9v.s5Pp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bill (and anybody else still interested in this)- so what you're saying is that this: "We can SEE a directional shape in the crystalline structure of drawn copper, and oxides DO form between the crystals, and perhaps there is some diode rectification that occurs rejecting RF interference in one direction vs. another..." is either untrue or simply doesn't affect the sound? please note that this information is not my own, but rather a regurgitation of what i've been told over the years. that's why i started the midi cable thread that mutated into this one...to see if the same principles applied. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 19:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05030; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:13:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <22.2624dd85.29d65d13@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:13:07 EST Subject: Re: Review: Pedro Felix at Chama 3.28.2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_22.2624dd85.29d65d13_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_22.2624dd85.29d65d13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/02 2:09:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, db@biink.com writes: > Who does the Pedro Felix Experience sound like? > Sorta like Pauline Oliveros crossed with John Zorn or > Elliott Sharp, but different - he sounds like himself. > What I heard sounds like a kid abusing a turntable in realtime > with guitar player from Mars as the source and that's good! > there ya go!.....i want to hear it!.....michael k --part1_22.2624dd85.29d65d13_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/02 2:09:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, db@biink.com writes:


Who does the Pedro Felix Experience sound like?
Sorta like Pauline Oliveros crossed with John Zorn or
Elliott Sharp, but different - he sounds like himself.
What I heard sounds like a kid abusing a turntable in realtime
with guitar player from Mars as the source and that's good!


there ya go!.....i want to hear it!.....michael k --part1_22.2624dd85.29d65d13_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 19:47:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06537; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:45:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:45:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <17c.5ee2705.29d664ab@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:45:31 EST Subject: Re: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17c.5ee2705.29d664ab_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <9PcC7.A.-lB.0qQp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17c.5ee2705.29d664ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/02 1:01:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes: > This is in a very real sense a dream come true, a place > where music weirdos, er, unique people, > can hang out and play every week... > just to know it's there and kindred spirits hanging out.....what more do ya need!.....anyone flyin regularly?.....i hate to bring anything when flying, how do they react to little boxes when you try to get on the plane?......i would drive to nyc but its 8 hours ( but i could bring "todo el mundo gadjets" ).....anyone nearby want to ride up?.....i need about 2 weeks to firm anything up, but then its in stone baby!, road trip!.....who got some carpet?.....michael kolatu --part1_17c.5ee2705.29d664ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/02 1:01:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes:


This is in a very real sense a dream come true, a place
where music weirdos, er, unique people,
can hang out and play every week...


just to know it's there and kindred spirits hanging out.....what more do ya need!.....anyone flyin regularly?.....i hate to bring anything when flying, how do they react to little boxes when you try to get on the plane?......i would drive to nyc but its 8 hours ( but i could bring "todo el mundo gadjets" ).....anyone nearby want to ride up?.....i need about 2 weeks to firm anything up, but then its in stone baby!, road trip!.....who got some carpet?.....michael kolatu --part1_17c.5ee2705.29d664ab_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 20:14:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09162; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:13:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:13:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <167.b46eed2.29d66af6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:12:22 EST Subject: Re: Cables have direction/direction my ass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_167.b46eed2.29d66af6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_167.b46eed2.29d66af6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/02 6:53:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > please note that this information is not my own, but rather a regurgitation > of what i've been told over the years. yer all killin me!.....i luv it.....mk --part1_167.b46eed2.29d66af6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/02 6:53:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


please note that this information is not my own, but rather a regurgitation
of what i've been told over the years. 


yer all killin me!.....i luv it.....mk --part1_167.b46eed2.29d66af6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 29 20:31:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09914; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:30:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:30:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:28:20 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: Cable my Ass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3CA514B4.D0D2AC6C@dlcwest.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_K//z8w9q10hEnAU3hXIDMw)" X-Accept-Language: en References: <200203291800.NAA07882@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_f_X7B.A.maC.xURp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_K//z8w9q10hEnAU3hXIDMw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > >> ...you're walking in a desert. You come across a tortoise on it's > >> back... > > > > What's a tortoise? > >REPLACANT! > > Sure...I guess... > > No need to tell me about your mother then. > Hee hee hee...this is too funny! But now you've gone and pissed it off. Will we ever know? Think Harrison Ford would still have duh moxy t' make it 'fess up? --Boundary_(ID_K//z8w9q10hEnAU3hXIDMw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

>> ...you're walking in a desert.  You come across a tortoise on it's 
>> back...
>
> What's a tortoise?
>REPLACANT!

Sure...I guess...

No need to tell me about your mother then.
Hee hee hee...this is too funny! But now you've gone and pissed it off. Will we ever know? Think Harrison Ford would still have duh moxy t' make it 'fess up? --Boundary_(ID_K//z8w9q10hEnAU3hXIDMw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 30 00:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24879; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:14:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:14:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c1d7a9$88459170$0e3e230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <200203291800.NAA07882@hemlock.violacea.com> <3CA514B4.D0D2AC6C@dlcwest.com> Subject: OT: Cable my Ass Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:12:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: <2pfdIB.A.jEG.5lUp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no, but bonnie rait would, and so would don knots. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shayne Cafferata" To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Cable my Ass > > > > >> ...you're walking in a desert. You come across a tortoise on it's > > >> back... > > > > > > What's a tortoise? > > >REPLACANT! > > > > Sure...I guess... > > > > No need to tell me about your mother then. > > > Hee hee hee...this is too funny! But now you've gone and pissed it off. > Will we ever know? Think Harrison Ford would still have duh moxy t' make > it 'fess up? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 30 13:40:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17894; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:39:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:38:29 -0500 Subject: cables, etc. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nevermind. forget i said anything. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 30 14:12:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20166; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:11:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:06:54 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop In-reply-to: <17c.5ee2705.29d664ab@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <17c.5ee2705.29d664ab@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:45 PM -0500 3/29/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >anyone flyin regularly?.....i hate to bring anything when flying, >how do they react to little boxes when you try to get on the >plane?...... Interesting question. I assume you mean small electronic devices in your carry-on luggage. My recent experience is that anything that looks like a cell phone or a PDA gets passed through the scanner without comment. Laptop computers get a visual inspection and will probably need to be turned on to demonstrate that they actually are functioning computers and not empty boxes with weapons inside. If you are carrying a rack bag or the like, containing looping and processing gear, you'd best be prepared with a friendly manner and a convincing explanation of what the stuff is. And be prepared to turn it on and demonstrate the blinking lights. Sometimes you get reasonably intelligent security staff and sometimes you get idiots. A few years ago (WAY before 9/11) I tried to board a plane at SFO with an attache case full of adaptors and patch cords. I was detained because "there are wires in there, and we don't know what it is." On the other hand you might get a normally intelligent one who is nevertheless overly conscientious. Just a week ago I was single out for a close inspection and the screener found a tiny jeweler's screwdriver in my pack. It was pronounced a potential weapon because it was "sharp" and I had to check my bag or else throw away the screwdriver. Of course if you do check your equipment as luggage you will run the risk of loss or damage. The bigger and heavier the rack or trunk the more likely this will be. I've watched a footlocker full of my gear drop to the pavement because the luggage handler was presumably reluctant to chance a hernia. ATA shock-mount racks aren't even a guarantee of safe passage. I've had face plates twisted out of shape by the shock of a drop. If the rear of a racked device is not supported both below AND above it is vulnerable. Don't assume that because it's at the bottom of the rack that it is supported. Experience shows that if there is an air space above any racked unit, the rack will be dropped upside down from at least three feet. Even if the gear don't get dropped, smashed, or run into it can be damaged by vibration or moisture. On at least two occasions I've had DOA equipment due to internal connectors working loose, or circuit boards come undone so they flop around on their standoffs. On another occasion I was assisting an artist whose rack had an audible rattle. When we opened it up to reattached the loose power supply we also discovered a puddle of water inside the case. One final thing: Always turn your equipment over and listen for loose parts before you plug it in after a trip. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 30 14:41:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21347; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:40:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:32:30 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Request help and advice on simple EDP process... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:51 PM -0500 3/29/02, todd reynolds wrote: >Undo option... Seems to take two button pushes to have anything happen I have next to no direct experience with the EDP, but... If a function requires more than one button press, how about triggering it remotely from another controller? That way the two presses should have negligible time between them, certainly shorter than two foot-taps. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 30 14:43:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21257; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:38:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:38:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: subharmonic synth Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:38:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, before buying/trying one out, I thought I'd see if anyone has use (dbx)subharmonic synth on top of other effects to 'deepen' the sound etc. Its probably not designed for this purpose, but I'm curious to see what it would sound like when applied to vocal sounds with very wet effects. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 30 17:03:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32301; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.72.138] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:00:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2002 22:00:51.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B9C0630:01C1D836] Resent-Message-ID: <2MTsP.A.X4H.yWjp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listerz, I brought home my EDP from L.A. back in February(Super Bowl Sunday of all days) and was asked to step aside and take off my shoes, while they "inspected" my bag. They had one of those chemical detectors they used to "sniff" for chemi- cal residues, and asked me to explain about what the EDP was. I don't mind. Better to be safe. I hope that inspec- tor's nose hairs have grown back after getting a "sniff" of my shoes... Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 30 19:44:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08170; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:43:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:43:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Request help and advice on simple EDP process... Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1d84d$196c64a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a ton of info on the Undo function in the archives- and be aware- there is a LONG press of Undo also- give the archives a try- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 11:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Request help and advice on simple EDP process... At 1:51 PM -0500 3/29/02, todd reynolds wrote: >Undo option... Seems to take two button pushes to have anything happen I have next to no direct experience with the EDP, but... If a function requires more than one button press, how about triggering it remotely from another controller? That way the two presses should have negligible time between them, certainly shorter than two foot-taps. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 30 20:04:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10152; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:03:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:03:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Request help and advice on simple EDP process... Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:03:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c1d84d$196c64a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <1j8Y2B.A.eeC.nBmp8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff advised: There is a ton of info on the Undo function in the archives- and be aware- there is a LONG press of Undo also- give the archives a try- After RZ responded to todd reynolds, who wrote: >Undo option... Seems to take two button pushes to have anything happen I have next to no direct experience with the EDP, but... If a function requires more than one button press, how about triggering it remotely from another controller? That way the two presses should have negligible time between them, certainly shorter than two foot-taps. -- And my question/observation: I acquired the Peavey 1600x to make things better with MIDI and the EDPs. I attempted to recreate the long press of the record button, a note on with no subsequent note off, which was easy on the 1600x as it does not *do* note off info. Now I find that this long press recreation is unreliable--sometimes it works initially, but after subsequent MIDI messages, it reads the message as a short press, that is, note on and off--and not only that, it creates a state where the same message from my PMC-10 (note on with no note off) will not turn off record (the intended action of the long press of the record button). Has anyone else encountered this problem--and does anyone have a suggestion? Not a panic (!) situation, just curious. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 30 23:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22458; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:49:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:49:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c1d86f$11c24b80$630f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:46:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went to Europe earlier this month. In my luggage was my Boss GT-5 pedal in its original box. Other things like a European power converter, Akai Headrush in its original box, cables, power strip, battery charger, etc. were tucked inside the GT-5's box. Next to the GT-5 box was my lap slide guitar. Basically a plank of wood, it looked like it would survive the trip. Happy to say, this load of gear survived in tact... as it did last October, too! Leaving the US, I had no problems. Leaving Belgium, the inspection was a bit more rigorous. They opened my soprano sax case, took out the sax and looked it over, looked for hidden compartments in the case, asked about the mouthpiece (it's metal as is its cover), inspected the case that I use to carry my minidisc recorder, mic, cables, spare batteries, etc., and looked at the electronics in my bum bag (that's fanny pack to you Americans)... while I was in my stocking feet. (I could see their eyes watering!) I understand why they did this. But it seems like they'd achieve higher security by inspecting with this level of screwtiny those who are getting on at a US airport. Those are the planes that were used on 9/11. By the time a European flight arrives in US air space, the fuel tanks are fairly empty by comparison. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 01:22:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27633; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 01:21:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 01:21:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015c01c1d7b2$83c8a5c0$630f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #262 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:16:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #262 March 28, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Vir Unis. Vir Unis is a synthesist and a percussionist who uses grooves and atmospheres to create what he terms electro-psychedelic mind-body music. The Featured CD at midnight was "Dreamers at the Edge of Decaying Light" by Unis on the In the Bubble Music label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP "Clockwork Orange" by Wendy Carlos on the Columbia label. I played the music of Eric Wollo who will be at the Gathering on April 27. Vir Unis http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#mar Eric Wollo http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Wendy Carlos Timesteps Clockwork Orange (Columbia) Eric Wollo Blue Moon Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) VA [The Circular Ruins] Aperture Collection 1: Opening (Databloem) FSP, AirSculpture, Five Sisterse Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu Brewer & Fox Harmony & Quantum) Amir Baghiri and Jotunheimen True North (Arya) Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 2 To Earth and Back (Space for Music) Numina and Stephen Smooth Melt From Within the Abyss (Dark Duck) Ian Boddy, Markus Sienna Daze * Triptych (DiN) Reuter & Nigel Mullaney 12:00 am Vir Unis Calling to the Locust DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Queen Vir Unis Phasing the Wormhole DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Vir Unis Dr. Aricon and the DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Savior Machine Vir Unis Surreal Morning DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Vir Unis A Day Only Half DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Remembered Vir Unis Face the Waters DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Vir Unis Discrete Voices DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Vir Unis Oraia DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Vir Unis Chasing Down the Dragon DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Vir Unis Morning Star DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Vir Unis Like Wind in the Trees DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Vir Unis At the Edge of Decaying DatEoDL (In the Bubble Music) Light * 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a the month-long focus on Saul Stokes. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Zo Pilots" by on the Hypnos label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Risky Business" by Tangerine Dream on the Virgin label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 02:00:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30324; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 01:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 01:59:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018401c1d7b7$f2fdf080$630f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for March 2002 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:55:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for March, 2002. Shows #258 to #262; 28-February-2002 to 28-March-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Antonio Testa and Alio Die - Prayer for the Forest - GreenHouse Brannan Lane - To Earth and Back - Space for Music Braun, Broekhuis, Keller and Schönwälder - Project Inter.com - Manikin Craig Padilla - Vostok - Spotted Peccary Detlef Keller - Behind the Tears - Manikin Dom F. Scab - Analogical Confessions - Groove Free System Projekt, AirSculpture, Dave Brewer and Bill Fox - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Neu Harmony and Quantum Ian Boddy, Markus Reuter and Nigel Mullaney - Triptych - DiN Numina and Stephen Philips - From Within the Abyss - Dark Duck Robert Carty - Energy - Deep Sky Robert Rich - Bestiary - Release Ron Boots - Liquid Structures in Solid Form - Groove Stephen Philips - Cycles 4 - Dark Duck Steve Roach and Vir Unis - Blood Machine - GreenHouse Various Artists - Collection 1: Opening - Databloem Various Artists - Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 3 - AMP Vir Unis - Aeonian Glow - GreenHouse Vir Unis - Dreamers at the Edge of Decaying Light - In the Bubble Music Vir Unis and James Johnson - Perimeter - In the Bubble Music and Zero Music Wave World - Sphere - Quantum From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 02:33:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31698; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:32:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:32:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA6BADB.EC53A1D5@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:29:31 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Todd Reynolds' EDP Etudes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com todd reynolds wrote: > Dear andre... Yo Todd! Sorry for the delay in replying... just got back into town this afternoon. > Todd here... An ardent fan, by the way... The feeling is mutual, good man. Thanks for posting the new Max/MSP-related sounds... WONDERFUL stuff! (As is the non-MAX stuff of yours I've heard, as well.) > I posted some issues I'm having earlier today... Subsequent to reading your > offer, I wonder perhaps if you might have some advice... I hope my posts are > clear enough... It's using the edp in a completely composed setting... I'll try to address your questions as best I can (which honestly isn't saying a whole lot!) ...though I must admit I'd probably have an easier time of formulating an idea if I could hear the tune itself. Depending on how quickly you need to undo layers, how many layers there are, how they get built up in the first place, and so forth, it might be easier to try and answer. But: > Basic concept of this etude is... Build up 5 loops, then play over it > removing one loop at a time, leaving original two... My first thought is, "OK. Could you not simply use NextLoop to backtrack from Loop 5 back down to Loops 1 and 2?" I know you touch on that later on... > Barlines are seamless, so > cannot have double button pushes... I'm not totally clear on what you mean here... which double button pushes are you thinking of, and what is it specifically about the textures in the loops that would make such button pushes unfeasible? > Having moreloops set to 5, by the > way... I'll suggest a different approach here in a second... > First, the Undo option... Seems to take two button pushes to have anything > happen anyway, then only partially undoes... So virtually unreliable... As Cliff so astutely pointed out, Undo is a deceptively complex thing. And honestly, I don't personally understand it very well myself. (That says very little about the EDP, and very much about my own lack of studiousness in that particular regard.) > Next, the Nextloop option... [snip] > then cycle back > through the loops, back to loop 2, then back to loop 1, etc... The problem > is that I don't really have the time at the end of the piece to go through 5 > whole cycles to undo one level at a time using nextloop... If you have SwitchQuant set to either On or Confirm, then you could jump from any loop to any other loop, and you could do so either manually or quantized to the length of each loop. Would that make matters easier? > Well, now I've confused myself... I'm afraid you're not the only one! :() > Questions... Is there something about undo that I'm missing? Such that a > button depression would actually immediately take off layers without going > through a whole other cycle? Yes, there is plenty of memory available... One thing to be aware of is that the Undo feature uses a software noise gate. The purpose of the gate (so far as I understand it) is to divide each successive overdub into a different partition in the EDP memory, so that when the input level drops below the threshold of the noise gate, the memory allocates that as the end of one "chunk" and the beginning of another "chunk" which can be dealt with via Undo. But depending on how noisy your input signal is, you could potentially be filling up a lot of memory with extraneous sounds that are quiet enough to not really hear, but loud enough to be above the noise gate threshold. (I have that problem with guitar pickup noise from time to time). You might try closing Overdub after each new phrase you layer on top, just to make sure that the memory isn't spilling out beyond the musically intended end of the phrase. NO idea if this is at all relevant to your problem, of course, but I had to try and make myself feel useful somehow! :) > And is there a way of using nextloop as a sort of overdub function?f One thing I do a lot of is setting AutoRecord to On, and LoopCopy to Sound. This means that after I've recorded something on loop one, I can instantly copy that to another loop via NextLoop. And as soon as you're in the next loop, you're multiplying cycles out. If you wanted the length of the new loop to be the same as the initial one, you'd hit multiply again in order to keep it down to one cycle length (or however many cycles you want.) One other idea I have is to use MORE than 5 loops in the piece. Even though your etude may be composed for 5 distinct compositional units, that doesn't mean you can't use more than 5 EDP loops in the sonic representation of those musical figures. You might think about allocating some of the 9 possible loops as "short term" deals, which would only be accessed once or twice in the duration of the piece. Your followup email made reference to wanting to overdub something once and then erase it... so what if you copied a loop to, say, Loop 6, overdubbing as you enter the new loop, let it repeat once, and then switch back to the loop you copied from originally, never going back to Loop 6 again? Jeez, I'm getting dizzy. :) Tell you what, Todd... let me know if this makes any sense, or is in any way relevant to what you're trying to do. If not, maybe someone else here has some insights. If nothing else, I might have some other ideas if I can actually hear the piece in question. We can work out a way to do that if need be (this is genuinely interesting stuff to me). ANYWAY... hope this has been of at least some help. Or amusement, at least! Take care, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 03:11:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01619; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 03:10:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 03:10:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:10:38 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c1d88b$8ba42a10$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008001c1d86f$11c24b80$630f5cd1@-> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill, the security at an airport is subject to what the company operating this specific airport and the jurisdiction of the country the airport is in see as appropriate. So the reason for what you encountered (flights from the US are checked only basically while flights from Europe, especially Belgium or Germany for obvious (mainly historic) reasons get a much better check) is simply the fact that neither the US government nor the US airport companies think it is worth the time and money to do a security check which makes sense. And hey, there are no real priceless cultural artifacts in the States anyway - if someone crashes a plane into the World Trade Center, you still have the Sears Tower and the Chrysler Building - besides, you can rebuild it from scratch. If someone crashes a plane into the Hofbräuhaus -> BIG PROBLEM! :-) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Fox [mailto:billfox@fast.net] > Sent: Sonntag, 31. März 2002 06:47 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop > > > I went to Europe earlier this month. In my luggage was my > Boss GT-5 pedal in > its original box. Other things like a European power > converter, Akai Headrush > in its original box, cables, power strip, battery charger, > etc. were tucked > inside the GT-5's box. Next to the GT-5 box was my lap slide > guitar. Basically > a plank of wood, it looked like it would survive the trip. > Happy to say, this > load of gear survived in tact... as it did last October, too! > > Leaving the US, I had no problems. Leaving Belgium, the > inspection was a bit > more rigorous. They opened my soprano sax case, took out the > sax and looked it > over, looked for hidden compartments in the case, asked about > the mouthpiece > (it's metal as is its cover), inspected the case that I use > to carry my minidisc > recorder, mic, cables, spare batteries, etc., and looked at > the electronics in > my bum bag (that's fanny pack to you Americans)... while I > was in my stocking > feet. (I could see their eyes watering!) I understand why > they did this. But > it seems like they'd achieve higher security by inspecting > with this level of > screwtiny those who are getting on at a US airport. Those > are the planes that > were used on 9/11. By the time a European flight arrives in > US air space, the > fuel tanks are fairly empty by comparison. > > Cheers, > > Bill billfox@fast.net > http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic > ============================================================== > ================= > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. > Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in > Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for > airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join > This Group!] > SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 11:05:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27641; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:04:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:04:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <001801c1d6cd$c059e0c0$0ef8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: pawn shops Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:07:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2002 16:03:33.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B6F4320:01C1D8CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > so i resort to paying TOO MUCH on ebay I live in Norway, you guys dont know the meaning of the phrase "paying too much!"" American goods bought First hand, shipped to Norge, duties and taxes paid is STILL almost half price that we pay so ebay is like a veg markey to me!!! :) mark red ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:59 AM Subject: Re: pawn shops > i live in a smaller town, so the pawn shops are pretty pathetic...never a > choice piece of gear, even for the eclectics. > > so i resort to paying TOO MUCH on ebay. > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 12:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31676; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:29:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <179.6084d0b.29d8a14b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:28:43 EST Subject: flying To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_179.6084d0b.29d8a14b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_179.6084d0b.29d8a14b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/02 2:10:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > I assume you mean small electronic devices in > your carry-on luggage. > > yepper richard.....thanks for the pointers......michael k --part1_179.6084d0b.29d8a14b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/02 2:10:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


I assume you mean small electronic devices in
your carry-on luggage.



yepper richard.....thanks for the pointers......michael k --part1_179.6084d0b.29d8a14b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 14:00:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05301; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:59:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:59:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:54:27 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Request help and advice on simple EDP process... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <1TiGLB.A.2_.Vx1p8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:03 PM -0800 3/30/02, Gary Lehmann wrote: >the 1600x ...does not *do* note off info. Note OFF = Note ON with a Velocity value of 0, so the 1600 should be able to do it as long as it allows setting velocity. >after subsequent MIDI messages, it reads the message as a short press, This makes sense. I'm guessing at this, but I assume the EDP is responding serially to MIDI note messages. When a certain Note On is received, if that Note On is associated with a parameter that responds to Long Press, the EDP "watches" for a Note Off for that same note. If it receives a Note On for a different parameter it automatically drops out of that "ready-for-Note Off" state. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 14:09:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05744; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 14:08:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 14:08:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:01:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop In-reply-to: <008001c1d86f$11c24b80$630f5cd1@-> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <008001c1d86f$11c24b80$630f5cd1@-> Resent-Message-ID: <_US6cC.A.eZB.O61p8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:46 PM -0500 3/30/02, Bill Fox wrote: >it seems like they'd achieve higher security by inspecting with this level of >screwtiny those who are getting on at a US airport. Those are the planes that >were used on 9/11. By the time a European flight arrives in US air space, the >fuel tanks are fairly empty by comparison. "Screw"-tiny is right. Most of these security procedures a just plain screwy. We should not assume that just because the US is the "Great Satan" that the only targets of terrorist airliner attack will be on US soil. Any monument of European imperialist culture could be a suitable target: Buckingham Palace, the Eiffel Tower, the Vatican, etc. Terrorist "martyrs" aim to disrupt and dispirit the enemy, and a lot of the value of such acts is symbolic. Remember the Taliban's destruction of the Buddha statues? In many ways it's the same thing. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 14:44:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07410; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 14:43:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 14:43:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c1d8ec$8e8d7040$705be540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <3C966EB3.889A746F@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020318175345.04b196a0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Wally Jericho + Styrohead Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 14:45:05 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5CN41D.A.czB.5a2p8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Tuesday April 2nd 2002 - Wally Jericho and Styrohead Two Ambient Ping veterans return to serve a glass of Dark Techno with an Acid Jazz twist. Wally Jericho will perform on trumpet, Boomerang looper & pocket calculators while Joe G (Styrohead) plays synths, guitar, audio clips of past Ping performances & phone messages modulated through filters & audio gate sequencers. Topping it off will be beautiful projections by General Chaos Visuals. This night is sure to provide a pleasant (and at times scary) background for conversation and meditation. Wally Jericho - http://www.wallyjericho.com/ Styrohead - http://www.mp3.com/Styrohead PreSet CD ­ "Trances / Drones" by Robert Rich (Extreme ) < Classic ambient dronescapes created in 1983 > Between sets CD ­ "Rainforest" by Robert Rich (Hearts Of Space) < Polyrhythmic electroacoustics in 'just intonation' from 1989 > * See the bottom of this e-mail for details of The Ambient Ping's special presentation of ROBERT RICH live next Sunday April 7th. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday April 9th 2002 - RADIO in AMBIENCE This special presentation for Deep Wireless in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art, features experimental sound artists Jakob Thiesen, Neil Wiernik (naw), Susanna Hood and Nilan Perera making extensive use of radio as a live ambient sound source. Deep Wireless - http://www.soundtravels.ca/deepwireless.html Between sets CD - "Plight and Premonition" (Virgin) by David Sylvian & Holger Czukay < Beautiful and elusive ambience from 1988 with radio as one of it's source materials > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A VERY SPECIAL TORONTO CONCERT EVENT: Next Sunday, April 7th @ Art System, 327 Spadina Ave. map: http://www.theambientping.com/map_327spadina.html The Ambient Ping and Stained Productions proudly present ambient electronic music pioneer ROBERT RICH in concert with special guests, soundscape artists dreamSTATE and light projections by General Chaos Visuals. $12 in advance - $15 at the door - Doors open at 8:00 PM dreamSTATE at 8:45 PM - Robert Rich at 10:00 PM An all ages and non-smoking event advance ticket outlets: ROTATE THIS (620 Queen St. W.- just west of Bathurst) SOUNDSCAPES (572 College St.- 4 blocks w of Bathurst) Read more at the Stained Productions website: http://www.stainedproductions.com/events/rich/index.html Out-of-towners can also reserve advance tickets at this link. Robert Rich - http://www.rrich.com/rrframeset.html dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamSTATE.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient and experimental performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 15:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09671; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:08:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:08:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <196.4ac4e28.29d8c66b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:07:07 EST Subject: "something about vampires and sluts" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello..........we just put up a few song on mp3.com of our new band "something about vampires and sluts".........it's recorded totally live (except for the vocals on "fake id") and i'm using a echoplex dp for looping guitars/effects. if you get a second check it out. http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/382/something_about_vampires_a.html your thoughts? thanks! brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 18:06:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19206; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:04:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:04:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1d909$5e4381a0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: Subject: Akai Quick Disk Drive for S612 and X7000 Samplers Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:11:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C1D8DF.73A84A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C1D8DF.73A84A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all: I thought I'd bounce this off the list because one never knows... Anyway, I have an Akai X7000 sampling keyboard that has a unusable disk = drive. Not that it's the greatest-sounding sampler around, but it DOES = have its points. Some of the samples I have sound pretty good in spite = of its relatively low sampling rate. I haven't been able to locate anyone who knows anything about those = drives (i.e. where one can be obtained, if at all). I saw a used X7000 on eBay but I acted too late. If anyone has any = obscure knowledge of these drives, please let me know. Thanks! Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C1D8DF.73A84A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, all:
 
I thought I'd bounce this off the list = because one=20 never knows...
 
Anyway, I have an Akai X7000 sampling = keyboard that=20 has a unusable disk drive. Not that it's the greatest-sounding sampler = around,=20 but it DOES have its points. Some of the samples I have sound pretty = good in=20 spite of its relatively low sampling rate.
 
I haven't been able to locate anyone = who knows=20 anything about those drives (i.e. where one can be obtained, if at=20 all).
 
I saw a used X7000 on eBay but I acted = too late. If=20 anyone has any obscure knowledge of these drives, please let me know.=20 Thanks!
 
Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C1D8DF.73A84A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 18:49:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21244; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:48:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:48:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <126.e584880.29d8fa1b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:47:39 EST Subject: OT: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_126.e584880.29d8fa1b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_126.e584880.29d8fa1b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a story for ya which might tellya somethin about pawn shops Last summer I bought A beautiful Black-Ovation Celebrity w/ deliciously low action, in mint condition, for & $75 US-Dollars; i'm not an ovation fan but became one at that price and fell in love with that acosutic and used it ofen fro finger picked passages or coffee house jazz folk gigs with a more traditional singer songwriter type band i sometimes play with for fun. Also, Last summer in say July, I bought a Fender Ultimate Chorus Amp for $150USD from the very same Pawn shop where i had gotten a great deal on the ovation & how could I have ever passed up this deal on the Ultimate Chorus as the amp literally looked and even smelled brand new So, I bought the Fender Amp & al l was very happy with me. Now....Let's Cut to November, last year, just Before thanksgiving. I'm in surburban Philadelphia - The idyllic Bucks County - PA. & I was stooopid enough to leave 2 archtop guitars Epiphone Emporor Joe Pass Model & My Beloved Carlo Robelli JB 17 Deep Dish Balck Jazz Bomb in addition to my floor unit including a GR-30, Line 6/DL4, Boss GT-3 in addition to a Boss Sp202 and Zoom 234 Drum Machine left carelessly in the back section of my Isuzu Trooper while i went into a radio shack to buy a battery for my Cam-Corder. Again...very stooopid of me twas this act. And justly, according to the law of stooopidty and the Karma of a Fool who had exhausted his Foolish excemption from harm, I came out of radio shack, got in my car quite happy that i had finnally gotten a spare camcorder battery and drove off to go to the local McDonald's for a lite lunch. While driving on my way to the local Mc'Donals, I realized that it was awfully drafty in my car as i usually even in cold weather keep my windows cracked, but this time in particular i was feeeling really drafty so i went to roll up the windows the automatic window buttons. But this draft i was feelin wasnt goin away and i noticed i could hear the sound of traffic more prominently than ever b4 & then whammo: it really hit me....Holy S**T! As ya can imagine My left-driver -back windows were smashed out and of course all my gear was missing. I just lost it - then i got calm - and then i pulled over - and then lost it all over again. I hurriedly went back to where I had parked my car in the shopping center i was at saw the glass everywhere, and then got on my mobile phone and called the cops who showed quickly & took an incident report and then left. I was literally going nuts and in a severe state of both dire sadness and desperation and pain over losing stuff that i couldnt even begin to replace as that i never backed anything data up via sys-ex with custom patches on the gt-3 which are irreplaceable. and in terms of cash towards replacement gear, heck, i couldnt just go out of pocket and make replacements...this was a sever blow to me and AKASH and my progress. Compounding my sense of loss was My car insurance Co. for my car said that since it was personal property that it would be covered not under my car insurance but rather my gear would be covered under my homeowners insurance... which just made my depression meter dip to an all time low as i dont have a home that i own and i definitely dont have renter's insurance, so the loss is immediately compounding in its impact on my both psyche, nerves & soul. then a light goes off in my head... Now, i dont know how or why or what triggered this thought but i said well this crime is still fresh and that based upon the locat6ion of where it happened and the likelyhood of the person wanting to get rid of the gear as soon as possible meant that there were possibly 2 choices as to where the person would go - if - they in fact were looking to take the gear and sellit quick. One of the places which was on the way directly back to philadelphia and very close to where the theft occured was the very Pawn shop I had been to and shopped at and bought both the ovation and fender ultimate chorus So on this hunch alone, I head out to this pawn shop, just a fluke as i walk in and see the very same guy who sold me all my equipment i had bought from them and i ask him jis he had by chance seen any new gear come by their attention like an epiphone emporor and carlo robelli and floor units like a gr-30 and he asks me to look directly behind wherei was standing...VOILA all of my gear is there behiond me and theres a 12 yr old p[laying Crazy train on my Epiphone . Now here is where it all gets real interesting. I was relieved and felt lke the luckiest person in the world as that out of all the possibilities which were where my gear could have been located, i found it on the 1st try. And it turned out the pawn shop bought all of my gear for $300 USdollars cash they said which they paid to "an unidentified man" with no id or name they could actively recall or no physical features they could remember as the whole trasanction was so quick. And so i said to the pawn shop folks "geee ....that is a shame but your business insurance will cover this and since its stolen gear, u can hand it over to me as i will be on my way with it". And then the pawn shop said not so fast. My temper began to flare as I sensed this matter wasnt as close to being resolved as i thought it would be at this point. They declared "this isnt your property", "its our property" that we bought in good faith and that if u want it back, just how much is it worth to you and that i should also consider them kind and pay a reduced fee on the gear - MY GEAR - which they were just about finished figuring out what the markup price would be though for me being loyal customer, they would give me a discount. I'm not a voilent person but at this point violence was what consumed my every thoiught and inner being as that i felt that it was the only appropriate response... but a another light immediately went off in my head saying u are not in a position to compound your misery and that the evil doers are in the hotseeat and that they - the evil-doers of the pawn shop priprietorship - would love to have me hauled off in handcuffs and or to have my case weakened against them by me losing my calm and cool and legitimacy to my own gear. So i picked up my mobile phone & dailed the police who promptly came on the scene and decided to confiscate the gear. And after much back and forth over the course of a week i made a deal with the pawn shop to pay $150USD which was 1/2 the amount of what they paid as i couldnt bear the separation any longer. But the whole ordeal taught me a number of intense lessons and brought insight into how these places of pawn work and what they trade upon and how low they will stoop to make a buck and replenish their inventories. & amazingly, the Pawn shops were in fact within the bounds of law, but way outside anything ethical in how they dealt with me. and I came to find out that pawn shops apparently have powerful enuff lobbies in every state which are set up to ensure that essentially they are gonna have it on the books in terms of the law being on their side where the victim of a crime with porperty at a pawn shiop is not immediately set straight or restored back to where they were before as that apparently this type of occurence happens with pawn shops everyday in every town in America. But the law essentially says these pawn shops once they buy something it is theirs and that the only recourse a vctim of crime has is to sue them in court. i wasnt going to wait to do that even though i knew and the pawn shop knew I w ould win. they just bled me for $$$ which they probably wrote off as losses based upon the market value of the gear as opposed to what they actually paid for it. But i never leave any of my gear unattended anymore ( i know , i was stooopid ) and i never will buy anything from a Pawn Shop ever again. I still have the ovation and fender amp i bought from the Pawn Shop last year... i just dont know if getting rid of the gear just compounds whatever karma came with the stuff or not. but i assume & accept the karma for the gear i bought at that [awn shop as i still look for great deals these days that are"steals", but not stolen and never again will i ever buy something from a pawn shop. Im also the type where if i see a 100 dollar bill which isnt mine sitting there in the middle of the street, i wont pick it up or any money at that matter and claim it as mine becasue i just dont know the circumstances of why it ened up there and who it came from. I now only buy gear either online from major chains or local & reputable music stores which is not necessarily a gurantee that im buying legitimate merchandise, but i sorta think the odds are a lot lower at a music store or vendor with a reputation within the local community that i will get gear that is stolen. but i also wonder whose gear i really have now and what pain the person has had where if in fact the gear I now have were stolen. i will never know the truth about the guitar and amp i bought and i cant think of any way to deal with the karma behind this stuff other than hold on to it ( God that sounds self serving ). But i also can never forget the very real pain i went thru in my own loss & i kinda chalk it all up to debt paid- if there were one i needed to pay. & i do consider myself fortunate. but that's my take on pawn shops . others here may pawn shops differently and have had vastly different and more perhaps positive experiences but do beware as u just might find your own personal property on the shelves of these places and u may have to buy back your very own property. Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH BUY THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT" www.mp3.com/akashmusic & www.akashmusic.com 215.592.9963 business phone 215.485.6128 mobile --part1_126.e584880.29d8fa1b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a story for ya which might tellya somethin about pawn shops

Last summer I bought A beautiful Black-Ovation Celebrity w/ deliciously low action, in mint condition, for & $75 US-Dollars; i'm not an ovation fan but became one at that price and fell in love with that acosutic and used it ofen fro finger picked passages or coffee house jazz folk gigs with a more traditional singer songwriter type band i sometimes play with for fun.

Also, Last summer in say July, I bought a Fender Ultimate Chorus Amp for $150USD from the very same Pawn shop where i had gotten a great deal on the ovation

& how could I have ever passed up this deal on the Ultimate Chorus as the amp literally looked and even smelled brand new

So, I bought the Fender Amp & al l was very happy with me.

Now....Let's Cut to November, last year, just Before thanksgiving.

I'm in surburban  Philadelphia - The idyllic Bucks County - PA.

& I was stooopid enough to leave 2 archtop guitars Epiphone Emporor Joe Pass Model & My Beloved Carlo Robelli JB 17 Deep Dish Balck Jazz Bomb in addition to my floor unit including a GR-30, Line 6/DL4, Boss GT-3 in addition to a Boss Sp202 and Zoom 234 Drum Machine left carelessly in the back section of my Isuzu Trooper while i went into a radio shack to buy a battery for my Cam-Corder.

Again...very stooopid of me twas this act.

And justly, according to the law of stooopidty and the Karma of a Fool who had exhausted his Foolish excemption from harm, I came out of radio shack, got in my car quite happy that i had finnally gotten a spare camcorder battery and drove off to go to the local McDonald's for a lite lunch.

While driving on my way to the local Mc'Donals, I realized that it was awfully drafty in my car as i usually even in cold weather keep my windows cracked, but this time in particular i was feeeling really drafty so i went to roll up the windows the automatic window buttons.

But this draft i was feelin wasnt goin away and i noticed i could hear the sound of traffic more prominently than ever b4 & then whammo: it really hit me....Holy S**T!

As ya can imagine My left-driver -back windows were smashed out and of course all my gear was missing.

I just lost it - then i got calm  - and then i pulled over - and then lost it all over again.

I hurriedly went back to where I had parked my car in the shopping center i was at saw the glass everywhere, and then got on my mobile phone and called the cops who showed quickly & took an incident report and then left.

I was literally going nuts and in a severe state of both dire sadness and desperation and pain over losing stuff that i couldnt even begin to replace as that i never backed anything data up via sys-ex with custom patches on the gt-3 which are irreplaceable.

and in terms of cash towards replacement gear, heck, i couldnt just go out of pocket and make replacements...this was a sever blow to me and AKASH and my progress.

Compounding my sense of loss was My car insurance Co. for my car said that since it was personal property that it would be covered not under my car insurance but rather  my gear would be covered under my homeowners insurance...

which just made my depression meter dip to an all time low as i dont have a home that i own and i definitely dont have renter's insurance, so the loss is immediately compounding in its impact on my both psyche, nerves & soul.

then a light goes off in my head...

Now, i dont know how or why or what triggered this thought but i said well  this crime is still fresh and that based upon the locat6ion of where it happened and the likelyhood of the person wanting to get rid of the gear as soon as possible meant that there were possibly 2 choices as to where the person would go - if - they in fact were looking to take the gear and sellit quick.

One of the places which was on the way directly back to philadelphia and very close to where the theft occured was the very Pawn shop I had been to and shopped at and bought both the ovation and fender ultimate chorus

So on this hunch alone, I head out to this pawn shop, just a fluke as i walk in and see the very same guy who sold me all my equipment i had bought from them and i ask him jis he had by chance seen any new gear come by their attention like an epiphone emporor and carlo robelli and floor units like a gr-30 and he asks me to look directly behind wherei was standing...VOILA all of my gear is there behiond me and theres a 12 yr old p[laying  Crazy train on my Epiphone .

Now here is where it all gets real interesting.

I was relieved and felt lke the luckiest person in the world as that out of all the possibilities which were where my gear could have been located, i found it on the 1st try.

And it turned out the pawn shop bought all of my gear for $300 USdollars cash they said which they paid to "an unidentified man" with no id or name they could actively recall or no physical features they could remember as the whole trasanction was so quick.

And so i said to the pawn shop folks "geee ....that is a shame but your business insurance will cover this and since its stolen gear, u can hand it over to me as i will be on my way with it".

And then the pawn shop said not so fast.

My temper began to flare as I sensed this matter wasnt as close to being resolved as i thought it would be at this point.

They declared "this isnt your property", "its our property" that we bought in good faith and that if u want it back, just how much is it worth to you and that i should also consider them kind and pay a reduced fee on the gear - MY GEAR - which they were just about finished figuring out what the markup price would be though for me being  loyal customer, they would give me a discount.

I'm not a voilent person but at this point violence was what consumed my every thoiught and inner being as that i felt that it was the only appropriate response...

but a another light immediately went off in my head saying u are not in a position to compound your misery and that the evil doers are in the hotseeat and that they - the evil-doers of the pawn shop priprietorship - would love to have me hauled off in handcuffs and or to have my case weakened against them by me losing my calm and cool and legitimacy to my own gear.

So i picked up my mobile phone & dailed the police who promptly came on the scene and decided to confiscate the gear.

And after much back and forth over the course of a week i made a deal with the pawn shop to pay $150USD which was 1/2 the amount of what they paid as i couldnt bear the separation any longer.

But the whole ordeal taught me a number of intense lessons and brought insight into how these places of pawn work and what they trade upon and how low they will stoop to make a buck and replenish their inventories.

& amazingly, the Pawn shops were in fact within the bounds of law, but way outside anything ethical in how they dealt with me.

and I came to find out that pawn shops apparently have powerful enuff lobbies in every state which are set up to ensure that essentially they are gonna have it on the books in terms of the law being on their side where the victim of a crime with porperty at a pawn shiop is not immediately set straight or restored back to where they were before as that apparently this type of occurence happens with pawn shops everyday in every town in America.

But the law essentially says these pawn shops once they buy something it is theirs and that the only recourse a vctim of crime has is to sue them in court.

i wasnt going to wait to do that even though i knew and the pawn shop knew I would win.

they just bled me for $$$ which they probably wrote off as losses based upon the market value of the gear as opposed to what they actually paid for it.

But i never leave any of my gear unattended anymore ( i know ,  i was stooopid ) and i never will buy anything from a Pawn Shop ever again.

I still have the ovation and fender amp i bought from the Pawn Shop last year...

i just dont know if getting rid of the gear just compounds whatever karma came with the stuff or not.

but i assume & accept the karma for the gear i bought at that [awn shop as i still look for great deals these days that are"steals", but not stolen and never again will i ever buy something from a pawn shop.

Im also the type where if i see a 100 dollar bill which isnt mine sitting there in the middle of the street, i wont pick it up or any money at that matter and claim it as mine becasue i just dont know the circumstances of why it ened up there and who it came from.

I now only buy gear either online from major chains or local & reputable music stores which is not necessarily a gurantee that im buying legitimate merchandise, but i sorta think the odds are a lot lower at a music store or vendor with a reputation within the local community that i will get gear that is stolen.

but i also wonder whose gear i really have now and what pain the person has had where if in fact the gear I now have were stolen.

i will never know the truth about the guitar and amp i bought and i cant think of any way to deal with the karma behind this stuff other than hold on to it ( God that sounds self serving ).

But i also can never forget the very real pain i went thru in my own loss &
i kinda chalk it all up to debt paid- if there were one i needed to pay.

& i do consider myself fortunate. but that's my take on pawn shops .

others here may pawn shops differently and have had vastly different and more perhaps positive experiences but do beware as u just might find your own personal property on the shelves of these places and u may have to buy back your very own property.

Warm Regards,
John Price/AKASH
BUY THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT"
www.mp3.com/akashmusic & www.akashmusic.com
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 --part1_126.e584880.29d8fa1b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 19:34:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24501; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:34:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:34:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <126.e584880.29d8fa1b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:33:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C1D8D1.D6D2D3B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2002 00:33:56.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8AA9030:01C1D914] Resent-Message-ID: <3uHJhB.A.p-F.Us6p8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015F_01C1D8D1.D6D2D3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a horrible story! I'm gald it turned out ok though.=20 I'm glad you got your toys back; just having to deal with people as evil = as that would ruin my week. I had a room mate in college that bought a = stolen computer once. The relationship didn't last long :/ I think you did what any decent person would do in the situation, but = next time you might want to sue the pawn shop instead of settling. The = only way to discourage practices like this from happening is to make the = process of fencing stolen gear as painful as possible. Even if they get = a slap on the wrist, it's not a process they will be interested in = making a habit of.=20 >& amazingly, the Pawn shops were in fact within the bounds of law, but = way outside anything=20 >ethical in how they dealt with me. Really? Shit. That's not what I've heard but the laws are different in = different parts of the country. Where did you hear that 'Fencing' was = legal?=20 You might have to go out of your way to do so, but remember you surely = weren't the only person who got screwed. You have to take every chance = you get in life to fight wrongs of this sort, since people get away with = bad things like this more often than not - it sounds like it was part of = that particular store's business model. (Did they show you a receipt for = $300?) Getting a court date set up in small claims is not quit as hard = as it seems before you begin. Good luck, and don't leave you gear lying around again. Jonathan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: OT: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned Here is a story for ya which might tellya somethin about pawn shops Last summer I bought A beautiful Black-Ovation Celebrity w/ = deliciously low action, in mint condition, for & $75 US-Dollars; i'm not = an ovation fan but became one at that price and fell in love with that = acosutic and used it ofen fro finger picked passages or coffee house = jazz folk gigs with a more traditional singer songwriter type band i = sometimes play with for fun. Also, Last summer in say July, I bought a Fender Ultimate Chorus Amp = for $150USD from the very same Pawn shop where i had gotten a great deal = on the ovation & how could I have ever passed up this deal on the Ultimate Chorus as = the amp literally looked and even smelled brand new So, I bought the Fender Amp & al l was very happy with me. Now....Let's Cut to November, last year, just Before thanksgiving. I'm in surburban Philadelphia - The idyllic Bucks County - PA. & I was stooopid enough to leave 2 archtop guitars Epiphone Emporor = Joe Pass Model & My Beloved Carlo Robelli JB 17 Deep Dish Balck Jazz = Bomb in addition to my floor unit including a GR-30, Line 6/DL4, Boss = GT-3 in addition to a Boss Sp202 and Zoom 234 Drum Machine left = carelessly in the back section of my Isuzu Trooper while i went into a = radio shack to buy a battery for my Cam-Corder. Again...very stooopid of me twas this act. And justly, according to the law of stooopidty and the Karma of a Fool = who had exhausted his Foolish excemption from harm, I came out of radio = shack, got in my car quite happy that i had finnally gotten a spare = camcorder battery and drove off to go to the local McDonald's for a lite = lunch. While driving on my way to the local Mc'Donals, I realized that it was = awfully drafty in my car as i usually even in cold weather keep my = windows cracked, but this time in particular i was feeeling really = drafty so i went to roll up the windows the automatic window buttons. But this draft i was feelin wasnt goin away and i noticed i could hear = the sound of traffic more prominently than ever b4 & then whammo: it = really hit me....Holy S**T! As ya can imagine My left-driver -back windows were smashed out and of = course all my gear was missing. I just lost it - then i got calm - and then i pulled over - and then = lost it all over again. I hurriedly went back to where I had parked my car in the shopping = center i was at saw the glass everywhere, and then got on my mobile = phone and called the cops who showed quickly & took an incident report = and then left. I was literally going nuts and in a severe state of both dire sadness = and desperation and pain over losing stuff that i couldnt even begin to = replace as that i never backed anything data up via sys-ex with custom = patches on the gt-3 which are irreplaceable. and in terms of cash towards replacement gear, heck, i couldnt just go = out of pocket and make replacements...this was a sever blow to me and = AKASH and my progress. Compounding my sense of loss was My car insurance Co. for my car said = that since it was personal property that it would be covered not under = my car insurance but rather my gear would be covered under my = homeowners insurance... which just made my depression meter dip to an all time low as i dont = have a home that i own and i definitely dont have renter's insurance, so = the loss is immediately compounding in its impact on my both psyche, = nerves & soul. then a light goes off in my head... Now, i dont know how or why or what triggered this thought but i said = well this crime is still fresh and that based upon the locat6ion of = where it happened and the likelyhood of the person wanting to get rid of = the gear as soon as possible meant that there were possibly 2 choices as = to where the person would go - if - they in fact were looking to take = the gear and sellit quick. One of the places which was on the way directly back to philadelphia = and very close to where the theft occured was the very Pawn shop I had = been to and shopped at and bought both the ovation and fender ultimate = chorus So on this hunch alone, I head out to this pawn shop, just a fluke as = i walk in and see the very same guy who sold me all my equipment i had = bought from them and i ask him jis he had by chance seen any new gear = come by their attention like an epiphone emporor and carlo robelli and = floor units like a gr-30 and he asks me to look directly behind wherei = was standing...VOILA all of my gear is there behiond me and theres a 12 = yr old p[laying Crazy train on my Epiphone . Now here is where it all gets real interesting. I was relieved and felt lke the luckiest person in the world as that = out of all the possibilities which were where my gear could have been = located, i found it on the 1st try. And it turned out the pawn shop bought all of my gear for $300 = USdollars cash they said which they paid to "an unidentified man" with = no id or name they could actively recall or no physical features they = could remember as the whole trasanction was so quick. And so i said to the pawn shop folks "geee ....that is a shame but = your business insurance will cover this and since its stolen gear, u can = hand it over to me as i will be on my way with it". And then the pawn shop said not so fast. My temper began to flare as I sensed this matter wasnt as close to = being resolved as i thought it would be at this point. They declared "this isnt your property", "its our property" that we = bought in good faith and that if u want it back, just how much is it = worth to you and that i should also consider them kind and pay a reduced = fee on the gear - MY GEAR - which they were just about finished figuring = out what the markup price would be though for me being loyal customer, = they would give me a discount. I'm not a voilent person but at this point violence was what consumed = my every thoiught and inner being as that i felt that it was the only = appropriate response... but a another light immediately went off in my head saying u are not = in a position to compound your misery and that the evil doers are in the = hotseeat and that they - the evil-doers of the pawn shop priprietorship = - would love to have me hauled off in handcuffs and or to have my case = weakened against them by me losing my calm and cool and legitimacy to my = own gear. So i picked up my mobile phone & dailed the police who promptly came = on the scene and decided to confiscate the gear. And after much back and forth over the course of a week i made a deal = with the pawn shop to pay $150USD which was 1/2 the amount of what they = paid as i couldnt bear the separation any longer. But the whole ordeal taught me a number of intense lessons and brought = insight into how these places of pawn work and what they trade upon and = how low they will stoop to make a buck and replenish their inventories. & amazingly, the Pawn shops were in fact within the bounds of law, but = way outside anything ethical in how they dealt with me. and I came to find out that pawn shops apparently have powerful enuff = lobbies in every state which are set up to ensure that essentially they = are gonna have it on the books in terms of the law being on their side = where the victim of a crime with porperty at a pawn shiop is not = immediately set straight or restored back to where they were before as = that apparently this type of occurence happens with pawn shops everyday = in every town in America. But the law essentially says these pawn shops once they buy something = it is theirs and that the only recourse a vctim of crime has is to sue = them in court. i wasnt going to wait to do that even though i knew and the pawn shop = knew I would win. they just bled me for $$$ which they probably wrote off as losses = based upon the market value of the gear as opposed to what they actually = paid for it. But i never leave any of my gear unattended anymore ( i know , i was = stooopid ) and i never will buy anything from a Pawn Shop ever again. I still have the ovation and fender amp i bought from the Pawn Shop = last year... i just dont know if getting rid of the gear just compounds whatever = karma came with the stuff or not. but i assume & accept the karma for the gear i bought at that [awn = shop as i still look for great deals these days that are"steals", but = not stolen and never again will i ever buy something from a pawn shop. Im also the type where if i see a 100 dollar bill which isnt mine = sitting there in the middle of the street, i wont pick it up or any = money at that matter and claim it as mine becasue i just dont know the = circumstances of why it ened up there and who it came from.=20 I now only buy gear either online from major chains or local & = reputable music stores which is not necessarily a gurantee that im = buying legitimate merchandise, but i sorta think the odds are a lot = lower at a music store or vendor with a reputation within the local = community that i will get gear that is stolen. but i also wonder whose gear i really have now and what pain the = person has had where if in fact the gear I now have were stolen. i will never know the truth about the guitar and amp i bought and i = cant think of any way to deal with the karma behind this stuff other = than hold on to it ( God that sounds self serving ). But i also can never forget the very real pain i went thru in my own = loss & i kinda chalk it all up to debt paid- if there were one i needed to = pay. & i do consider myself fortunate. but that's my take on pawn shops . others here may pawn shops differently and have had vastly different = and more perhaps positive experiences but do beware as u just might find = your own personal property on the shelves of these places and u may have = to buy back your very own property. Warm Regards,=20 John Price/AKASH=20 BUY THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT"=20 www.mp3.com/akashmusic & www.akashmusic.com 215.592.9963 business phone 215.485.6128 mobile ------=_NextPart_000_015F_01C1D8D1.D6D2D3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
What a horrible story! I'm gald it = turned out ok=20 though.
 
I'm glad you got your toys back; just = having to=20 deal with people as evil as that would ruin my week. I had a room = mate in=20 college that bought a stolen computer once. The relationship didn't last = long=20 :/
 
I think you did what any decent person = would do in=20 the situation, but next time you might want to sue the pawn shop instead = of=20 settling. The only way = to discourage=20 practices like this from = happening is to=20 make the process of fencing stolen gear as painful as possible. Even if = they get=20 a slap on the wrist, it's not a process they will be interested in = making a=20 habit of.
 
>& amazingly, the Pawn shops = were in fact=20 within the bounds of law, but way outside anything
>ethical in how they dealt with=20 me.
 
Really? Shit. That's not what I've = heard but the=20 laws are different in different parts of the country. Where did you hear = that=20 'Fencing' was legal?
 
You might have to go out of your way to = do so, but=20 remember you surely weren't the only person who got screwed. = You have to take every chance you get in life to = fight wrongs=20 of this sort, since people get away with bad things like this more often = than=20 not - it sounds like it was part of that particular store's business = model. (Did=20 they show you a receipt for $300?) Getting a court date set up in small = claims=20 is not quit as hard as it seems before you begin.
 
Good luck, and don't leave you gear = lying around=20 again.
 
Jonathan
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 AKASHMUSIC@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 = 3:47=20 PM
Subject: OT: Re: LONG STORY = pawn shops +=20 My Lesson learned

Here is a story for ya which = might tellya=20 somethin about pawn shops

Last summer I bought A beautiful=20 Black-Ovation Celebrity w/ deliciously low action, in mint condition, = for=20 & $75 US-Dollars; i'm not an ovation fan but became one at that = price and=20 fell in love with that acosutic and used it ofen fro finger picked = passages or=20 coffee house jazz folk gigs with a more traditional singer songwriter = type=20 band i sometimes play with for fun.

Also, Last summer in say = July, I=20 bought a Fender Ultimate Chorus Amp for $150USD from the very same = Pawn shop=20 where i had gotten a great deal on the ovation

& how could = I have=20 ever passed up this deal on the Ultimate Chorus as the amp literally = looked=20 and even smelled brand new

So, I bought the Fender Amp & al = l was=20 very happy with me.

Now....Let's Cut to November, last year, = just=20 Before thanksgiving.

I'm in surburban  Philadelphia - The = idyllic=20 Bucks County - PA.

& I was stooopid enough to leave 2 = archtop=20 guitars Epiphone Emporor Joe Pass Model & My Beloved Carlo Robelli = JB 17=20 Deep Dish Balck Jazz Bomb in addition to my floor unit including a = GR-30, Line=20 6/DL4, Boss GT-3 in addition to a Boss Sp202 and Zoom 234 Drum Machine = left=20 carelessly in the back section of my Isuzu Trooper while i went into a = radio=20 shack to buy a battery for my Cam-Corder.

Again...very stooopid = of me=20 twas this act.

And justly, according to the law of stooopidty = and the=20 Karma of a Fool who had exhausted his Foolish excemption from harm, I = came out=20 of radio shack, got in my car quite happy that i had finnally gotten a = spare=20 camcorder battery and drove off to go to the local McDonald's for a = lite=20 lunch.

While driving on my way to the local Mc'Donals, I = realized that=20 it was awfully drafty in my car as i usually even in cold weather keep = my=20 windows cracked, but this time in particular i was feeeling really = drafty so i=20 went to roll up the windows the automatic window buttons.

But = this=20 draft i was feelin wasnt goin away and i noticed i could hear the = sound of=20 traffic more prominently than ever b4 & then whammo: it really hit = me....Holy S**T!

As ya can imagine My left-driver -back windows = were=20 smashed out and of course all my gear was missing.

I just lost = it -=20 then i got calm  - and then i pulled over - and then lost it all = over=20 again.

I hurriedly went back to where I had parked my car in = the=20 shopping center i was at saw the glass everywhere, and then got on my = mobile=20 phone and called the cops who showed quickly & took an incident = report and=20 then left.

I was literally going nuts and in a severe state of = both=20 dire sadness and desperation and pain over losing stuff that i couldnt = even=20 begin to replace as that i never backed anything data up via sys-ex = with=20 custom patches on the gt-3 which are irreplaceable.

and in = terms of=20 cash towards replacement gear, heck, i couldnt just go out of pocket = and make=20 replacements...this was a sever blow to me and AKASH and my=20 progress.

Compounding my sense of loss was My car insurance Co. = for my=20 car said that since it was personal property that it would be covered = not=20 under my car insurance but rather  my gear would be covered under = my=20 homeowners insurance...

which just made my depression meter dip = to an=20 all time low as i dont have a home that i own and i definitely dont = have=20 renter's insurance, so the loss is immediately compounding in its = impact on my=20 both psyche, nerves & soul.

then a light goes off in my=20 head...

Now, i dont know how or why or what triggered this = thought but=20 i said well  this crime is still fresh and that based upon the = locat6ion=20 of where it happened and the likelyhood of the person wanting to get = rid of=20 the gear as soon as possible meant that there were possibly 2 choices = as to=20 where the person would go - if - they in fact were looking to take the = gear=20 and sellit quick.

One of the places which was on the way = directly back=20 to philadelphia and very close to where the theft occured was the very = Pawn=20 shop I had been to and shopped at and bought both the ovation and = fender=20 ultimate chorus

So on this hunch alone, I head out to this pawn = shop,=20 just a fluke as i walk in and see the very same guy who sold me all my = equipment i had bought from them and i ask him jis he had by chance = seen any=20 new gear come by their attention like an epiphone emporor and carlo = robelli=20 and floor units like a gr-30 and he asks me to look directly behind = wherei was=20 standing...VOILA all of my gear is there behiond me and theres a 12 yr = old=20 p[laying  Crazy train on my Epiphone .

Now here is where = it all=20 gets real interesting.

I was relieved and felt lke the luckiest = person=20 in the world as that out of all the possibilities which were where my = gear=20 could have been located, i found it on the 1st try.

And it = turned out=20 the pawn shop bought all of my gear for $300 USdollars cash they said = which=20 they paid to "an unidentified man" with no id or name they could = actively=20 recall or no physical features they could remember as the whole = trasanction=20 was so quick.

And so i said to the pawn shop folks "geee = ....that is a=20 shame but your business insurance will cover this and since its stolen = gear, u=20 can hand it over to me as i will be on my way with it".

And = then the=20 pawn shop said not so fast.

My temper began to flare as I = sensed this=20 matter wasnt as close to being resolved as i thought it would be at = this=20 point.

They declared "this isnt your property", "its our = property" that=20 we bought in good faith and that if u want it back, just how much is = it worth=20 to you and that i should also consider them kind and pay a reduced fee = on the=20 gear - MY GEAR - which they were just about finished figuring out what = the=20 markup price would be though for me being  loyal customer, they = would=20 give me a discount.

I'm not a voilent person but at this point = violence=20 was what consumed my every thoiught and inner being as that i felt = that it was=20 the only appropriate response...

but a another light = immediately went=20 off in my head saying u are not in a position to compound your misery = and that=20 the evil doers are in the hotseeat and that they - the evil-doers of = the pawn=20 shop priprietorship - would love to have me hauled off in handcuffs = and or to=20 have my case weakened against them by me losing my calm and cool and=20 legitimacy to my own gear.

So i picked up my mobile phone & = dailed=20 the police who promptly came on the scene and decided to confiscate = the=20 gear.

And after much back and forth over the course of a week i = made a=20 deal with the pawn shop to pay $150USD which was 1/2 the amount of = what they=20 paid as i couldnt bear the separation any longer.

But the whole = ordeal=20 taught me a number of intense lessons and brought insight into how = these=20 places of pawn work and what they trade upon and how low they will = stoop to=20 make a buck and replenish their inventories.

& amazingly, = the Pawn=20 shops were in fact within the bounds of law, but way outside anything = ethical=20 in how they dealt with me.

and I came to find out that pawn = shops=20 apparently have powerful enuff lobbies in every state which are set up = to=20 ensure that essentially they are gonna have it on the books in terms = of the=20 law being on their side where the victim of a crime with porperty at a = pawn=20 shiop is not immediately set straight or restored back to where they = were=20 before as that apparently this type of occurence happens with pawn = shops=20 everyday in every town in America.

But the law essentially says = these=20 pawn shops once they buy something it is theirs and that the only = recourse a=20 vctim of crime has is to sue them in court.

i wasnt going to = wait to do=20 that even though i knew and the pawn shop knew I would = win.

they just=20 bled me for $$$ which they probably wrote off as losses based upon the = market=20 value of the gear as opposed to what they actually paid for = it.

But i=20 never leave any of my gear unattended anymore ( i know ,  i was = stooopid=20 ) and i never will buy anything from a Pawn Shop ever again.

I = still=20 have the ovation and fender amp i bought from the Pawn Shop last=20 year...

i just dont know if getting rid of the gear just = compounds=20 whatever karma came with the stuff or not.

but i assume & = accept=20 the karma for the gear i bought at that [awn shop as i still look for = great=20 deals these days that are"steals", but not stolen and never again will = i ever=20 buy something from a pawn shop.

Im also the type where if i see = a 100=20 dollar bill which isnt mine sitting there in the middle of the street, = i wont=20 pick it up or any money at that matter and claim it as mine becasue i = just=20 dont know the circumstances of why it ened up there and who it came = from.=20

I now only buy gear either online from major chains or local = &=20 reputable music stores which is not necessarily a gurantee that im = buying=20 legitimate merchandise, but i sorta think the odds are a lot lower at = a music=20 store or vendor with a reputation within the local community that i = will get=20 gear that is stolen.

but i also wonder whose gear i really have = now and=20 what pain the person has had where if in fact the gear I now have were = stolen.

i will never know the truth about the guitar and amp i = bought=20 and i cant think of any way to deal with the karma behind this stuff = other=20 than hold on to it ( God that sounds self serving ).

But i also = can=20 never forget the very real pain i went thru in my own loss &
i = kinda=20 chalk it all up to debt paid- if there were one i needed to = pay.

&=20 i do consider myself fortunate. but that's my take on pawn shops=20 .

others here may pawn shops differently and have had vastly = different=20 and more perhaps positive experiences but do beware as u just might = find your=20 own personal property on the shelves of these places and u may have to = buy=20 back your very own property.

Warm Regards,
John Price/AKASH =
BUY=20 THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT"
www.mp3.com/akashmusic = &=20 www.akashmusic.com
215.592.9963 business phone
215.485.6128=20 mobile




 ------=_NextPart_000_015F_01C1D8D1.D6D2D3B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 19:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25047; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:46:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:46:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <17c.5ee2705.29d664ab@aol.com> Subject: Flying was Re: 3/30: open loop open loop open loop open loop Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:45:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2002 00:45:54.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[949CB390:01C1D916] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The last thing you want to board a plane with these days is an arabic last name, a non-US passport, and a british accent - all evil villains have british accents. The more sophisticated security guards imediatly assume they must have captured the mastermind. (A cucumber wrapped in silver foil would be pretty bad too). Tameem Salah Jonathan El-Bizri > At 7:45 PM -0500 3/29/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >anyone flyin regularly?.....i hate to bring anything when flying, > >how do they react to little boxes when you try to get on the > >plane?...... > > Interesting question. I assume you mean small electronic devices in > your carry-on luggage. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 20:04:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26838; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:03:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:03:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c1d919$0a120f10$062f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A good idea is gear insurance. If you belong to ASCAP or BMI, there are gear insurance companies that will allow for full replacement value, no matter if your gear is at home, in the car, or in a club. Now my gear is insured, I feel, at least, a little better. It is still horrible to hear a story like this though. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 20:11:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27093; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:10:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:10:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000601c1d919$0a120f10$062f04d1@home> Subject: Re: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:09:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2002 01:09:26.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDC8F8F0:01C1D919] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much is gear insurance? Also, you might want to check your car insurance. I know that mine (with Farmer's insurance) covers stolen items, over $1,000 in amount. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" To: Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: RE: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned > A good idea is gear insurance. If you belong to ASCAP or BMI, there are > gear insurance companies that will allow for full replacement value, no > matter if your gear is at home, in the car, or in a club. Now my gear is > insured, I feel, at least, a little better. It is still horrible to hear > a story like this though. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 20:34:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27737; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:34:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:33:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c1d91d$41a97c70$062f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Umm, not a lot...I use http://www.musicproinsurance.com/ thru ASCAP. About $20k worth for the instruments/gear/computer for around $200US a year. Dave Eichenberge http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > How much is gear insurance? > > Also, you might want to check your car insurance. I know that > mine (with Farmer's insurance) covers stolen items, over > $1,000 in amount. > > Jonathan > > - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 21:48:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31480; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 21:47:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 21:47:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: RE: Beginning Looping Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:47:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <9ffwzC.A.bqH.Fp8p8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, did you ever find the article? I am considering trying some looping, but I'm not very familiar with how it works, gear, etc. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: MusicKrafter@aol.com [mailto:MusicKrafter@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Beginning Looping Can anyone refer me to the "Beginning Looping" article by David Torn on the web? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 23:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04709; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:01:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Beginning Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <13FC7D35-4525-11D6-A287-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My suggestion is to pick up a used JamMan or something and just jump in. Possibly spend some time in a music store that's got a verity of loopers. First go to the LD site and read the "Tools of the trade" page. that should give you some insight. Mark On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 06:47 PM, Qua and Vishara Veda wrote: > Hi, > did you ever find the article? I am considering trying some looping, > but > I'm not very familiar with how it works, gear, etc. > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: MusicKrafter@aol.com [mailto:MusicKrafter@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:40 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Beginning Looping > > > Can anyone refer me to the "Beginning Looping" article by David Torn on > the > web? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 31 23:14:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05286; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:13:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:13:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:13:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: children of the Lord Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been admiring Gospel and related music for 25 years. It has some incredibly power that drives tears into my eyes immediately: "The color purple", Aretha, Mrs Jackson, S. Wonder, Sweet Honey on the Rocks,,, Today I finally went to Church to see where it comes from. And I was deeeply moved by the sounds I heard, even hours after I left. I admire those people and their way to praise! Not only was I the only white skinned, not dressed up, but for some sad reason, they painted Jesus oversized on the front wall looking just like me, even simpler dressed ;-) They also got a problem because I put a CD of mine into the basket instead of $. The most holy was the real Hammond Organ with two Leslies (you may find that trivial, but in Europe they only have pipe organs and in Brasil only Asian plastic, so for me the Hammond was a rock and jazz instrument). I always loved (and modified) Hammonds and today, at the first chords of the lady, I understood how all that power was attached to the sound! Sure it was an inspired work of Mr Hammond who almost broke his fathers enterprise to give something better than clockworks to the world, but it may be the use of the instrument that really forms its spirit... While sitting there, just one thought looped in my mind: I only believe in sound! Words are twisted, especially after being brought through generations and translations. Some professional musicians may learn to lie at work just like lawyers must, but the churches little black drummer was only about 8 years old and he certainly lies to his mother as we all did, but he played relaxed and naturally - how could he lie? When they started to yell at me that the only truth was in the bible, I left. But I had loved to praise Jesus for teaching us to be sincere up to whatever hard end and to find faith and valorize our inner voice and destiny. The result of it lives on after we are gone, thats probably as close as we can get to resurrection... So trash these words and thank for your talent to put out your sound and listen to it over and over and over ! or to mine if you want :-) http://www.mp3.com/MatthiasBira http://matthiasgrob.iuma.com http://Matthias.Grob.org There is actually a collection of all my work at: http://matthias.grob.org/sound/ User: listener Password: sunpeace This link is not meant to spread, since the servers capacity is limited... --