From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11933; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:57:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:57:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:45:29 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ******$350.00*******NEW NE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C313EE9.9BE71B13@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------5AE6EF2062141B2519728DE3 X-Accept-Language: en References: <4c.4442223.29624f39@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------5AE6EF2062141B2519728DE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad you asked that. I establish an 'A' and 'B' part on one unit and then put other more random sounds on the other unit: washes, sweeps, arpeggios, etc. I can then fly in those sounds while the first unit is playing. Also, I can do a quick little run on the second unit and play in harmony with it later. As far as getting one loop away from the other, that holds some possibilities also. I can run a loop on unit one, then do an identical part on the second one, a shade longer than the first and let them both rip. They sync up and drift apart and sync up again, etc. etc. etc. Mike Killian KkstrtChby@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/2001 5:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, > kili@swbell.net writes: > I'm only curious, do you use both at the same time? > > If so how do you keep the two loops from getting away from each other? > > Thanks, > Gregory Bruce Campbell > www.kickstartchubby.com --------------5AE6EF2062141B2519728DE3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad you asked that.  I establish an 'A' and 'B' part on one unit and then put other more random sounds on the other unit: washes, sweeps, arpeggios, etc.  I can then fly in those sounds while the first unit is playing.  Also, I can do a quick little run on the second unit and play in harmony with it later. As far as getting one loop away from the other, that holds some possibilities also.  I can run a loop on unit one, then do an  identical part on the second one, a shade longer than the first and let them both rip. They sync up and drift apart and sync up again, etc. etc. etc.

Mike Killian

KkstrtChby@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 12/31/2001 5:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, kili@swbell.net writes:
I'm only curious, do you use both at the same time?

If so how do you keep the two loops from getting away from each other?

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com

--------------5AE6EF2062141B2519728DE3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:32:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13394; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:03:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:03:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.16de083d.29629abf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:53:19 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4d.16de083d.29629abf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4d.16de083d.29629abf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/01 12:31:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes: > I feel that the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who > purchase one at home with looping and never try displaying their talents... > is this why they didnt like me!.....you must have liked the rang a "little" to go to all the trouble to rewrite the ad.....i think this is a good price for the rang and also i think that it transends the level of "toy", i view mine as part of my instrument, simple as it is, i still learn something new with it all the time, even after several years.....but thats me, im a ludite.....:)m --part1_4d.16de083d.29629abf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/01 12:31:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes:


I feel that the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home with looping and never try displaying their talents...


is this why they didnt like me!.....you must have liked the rang a "little" to go to all the trouble to rewrite the ad.....i think this is a good price for the rang and also i think that it transends the level of "toy", i view mine as part of my instrument, simple as it is, i still learn something new with it all the time, even after several years.....but thats me, im a ludite.....:)m --part1_4d.16de083d.29629abf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:45:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13998; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:16:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:16:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <190.90e941.29629e37@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:08:07 EST Subject: Re: making field recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_190.90e941.29629e37_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_190.90e941.29629e37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, maverickmary@yahoo.com writes: > I'm curious to know if any of you make field > recordings. mary jane.....the CT-PROJECT just came out with "LOCATIONS VOLUME ONE", a wonderful cd.....hopefully soon it will be available as mp3s at www.loopxchange.com, i cant speak to the "hard-copy" as yet.....the CT-PROJECT consists of many members of LOOPERS DELIGHT and LOCATIONS may be an ongoing project.....please come join us and be heard.....free memberships through out all of 2002 (love how that looks).....:)m --part1_190.90e941.29629e37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, maverickmary@yahoo.com writes:


I'm curious to know if any of you make field
recordings.


mary jane.....the CT-PROJECT just came out with "LOCATIONS VOLUME ONE", a wonderful cd.....hopefully soon it will be available as mp3s at www.loopxchange.com, i cant speak to the "hard-copy" as yet.....the CT-PROJECT consists of many members of LOOPERS DELIGHT and LOCATIONS may be an ongoing project.....please come join us and be heard.....free memberships through out all of 2002 (love how that looks).....:)m --part1_190.90e941.29629e37_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 02:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18300; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:06:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:06:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: not8ohm@iinet.net.au Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:04:14 +0800 Message-Id: <200201010704.PAA30640@webmail2.iinet.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: webmail2.iinet.net.au: web set sender to not8ohm@iinet.net.au using -f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: maverickmary@yahoo.com Reply-To: not8ohm@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: making field recordings X-Mailer: iiNet WebMail v2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi I found these links somewhere. It could very well have been from this list! Anyway, the top one is quite helpful I found, the second I found interesting in terms of a bigger picture view of field recording and the others are potential suppliers of microphones. http://www.quietamerican.org/index.html http://interact.uoregon.edu/MediaLit/WFAE/home/index.html http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi? category=110&item=SP-BMC-3&type=store http://www.stealthmicrophones.com/lcmics.html Hope this helps. Happy 2002 Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 04:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24210; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 04:25:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 04:25:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: Subject: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:16:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1935D.696123E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1935D.696123E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's upgrades for the POD things, a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! I just wish it had an adjustable fade! and more time. But i suppose for twice the money,=20 there's the repeater. =20 So why am i typing this! ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1935D.696123E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's upgrades for the POD things,
a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4!
I just wish it had an adjustable fade!
and more time.
But i suppose for twice the money,
there's the repeater.  
 
So why am i typing this!
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1935D.696123E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27314; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:47:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.182.24.45] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reccommended midi controller for Electrix Repeater Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:38:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2002 10:38:34.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[768D5DC0:01C192B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a dual >expression pedal midi controller. Also where to get the best price on an I am looking into same - it seems to me that Behringer makes something very nice and user-friendly for less than half the price Roland or Yamaha care to charge for. Musician's Friend, $129.99. Nic _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:32:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27910; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:04:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:04:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.182.24.45] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: virtual silence Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:55:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2002 10:55:48.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEC0DD20:01C192B2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps the most difficult audience response to endeavor might be silence; and I'm sure that for some pieces of music, it might be the single most desirable environment for its success. It struck me recently (and in retrospect) that perhaps I am occasionally employing looping to achieve a type of virtual or surrogate silence - while not having the means or authority (personally or musically) to simply command the real thing (i.e. not being a Peter Gabriel of sorts who can just ask his 10k+ audience for "silence please while I construct this here soundscape", as I once witnessed). I realized this as I audited some recent live recordings of my band of a song in which the looping is not really that prominent or even important, but seems to just be able to draw sufficient attention to cause some degree of directed attention and associated relative silence. Does anyone purposely and consciously utilize ambient looping solely for the purpose of, and subservient to, the "framing" of the object piece? Nic _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 07:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29564; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:49:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:49:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <181.1958609.2962fa48@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:40:56 EST Subject: crayons or paint? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_181.1958609.2962fa48_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_181.1958609.2962fa48_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, I just talked a ton of S--t about some gear that may hold dear to others ... and out of it I feel that people were eager to educate me rather that argue like idiots... I slammed the boomerang, and it was handled like everyone chose to pull me up to speed to why they do dig it! I still don't change my mind about my original complaint... I wasn't initially trying to complain that the boomerang is worthless (but i did get carried away)... I was complaining that the person flat out said it was the best! (and its not) obviously with all the intelligent replies you surely must agree on some level that their really is no "best" We are ALL artists ... what is better crayons or paint? But I do want to say I am very proud to be a part of such an intelligent humane community... Looping apparently brings a certain level of individuals together, and I think its really cool! And I respect all of you who choose to use the boomerang! And especially the individuals who took the time to reply to my comments... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_181.1958609.2962fa48_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, I just talked a ton of S--t about some gear that may hold dear to others ... and out of it I feel that people were eager to educate me rather that argue like idiots... I slammed the boomerang, and it was handled like everyone chose to pull me up to speed to why they do dig it! I still don't change my mind about my original complaint... I wasn't initially trying to complain that the boomerang is worthless (but i did get carried away)... I was complaining that the person flat out said it was the best! (and its not) obviously with all the intelligent replies you surely must agree on some level that their really is no "best"

We are ALL artists ... what is better crayons or paint?

But I do want to say I am very proud to be a part of such an intelligent humane community...

Looping apparently brings a certain level of individuals together, and I think its really cool!

And I respect all of you who choose to use the boomerang! And especially the individuals who took the time to reply to my comments...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_181.1958609.2962fa48_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 10:41:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03299; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 07:04:56 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: making field recordings In-Reply-To: <200201011217.HAA30221@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Sony MZ-R37 (sounds fine, dreadful interface--small buttons spread out over the entire case) MD recorder and the Sony ECM-MS907 stereo condenser mic, about which I have no complaints. TH In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, maverickmary@yahoo.com writes: >I'm curious to know if any of you make field >recordings. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 12:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06922; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:32:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:32:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020101111542.00a730c0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:20:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: making field recordings In-Reply-To: References: <200201011217.HAA30221@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8J1nnB.A.NmB.zKeM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:04 PM 1/1/02 +0000, TH wrote: > Sony MZ-R37 (sounds fine, dreadful interface--small buttons spread >out over the entire case) I'll second that! It's also really hard to read the LCD in real-world lighting. The buttons are so awkward that I don't even attempt editing on it; I do that on a home deck with large buttons and a legible display. It DOES sound good though... -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 12:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07853; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:54:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c192e4$011c1160$f5b84e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:47:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: >I kind of disagree about not giving the audience a bit of an idea of what >you're doing. You don't have to pontificate about it, or go into minutia, >but a tad of explanation can be good. You rarely see a painting or >photograph that doesn't describe the medium a bit. Why not music? Usually, >it's self explanatory, a guy is playing an electric guitar through an amp. >Sax into a PA, Vocal, etc. But when you're doing something that's not >evident, I think people like a little heads up. Of course, all this is *in >addition to a good performance of interesting music*, not instead of. I >think a little explanation before your performance is nice, and can build a >rapport with your audience. I've only had good experiences while doing it. I agree with Mark, who brings up some excellent points: 1) it's helpful to give an audience some guidance to unfamiliar territory 2) a few words, not an entire lecture 3) the explanation doesn't substitute for a mediocre performance My primary musical focus is the classical music of North India. Since most audiences are unfamiliar with this tradition and its conventions and expectations, I always begin with a short explanation of the music itself, sometimes giving concrete examples such as the scale or rhythmic pattern which will be used, or some of the predominant melodic motives which will be heard repeatedly. I tend to be on the talkative side, so I consciously try to keep the explanation to a minimum. That is, I'll describe the melody, rhythm, movement, and mood or associations of the raga that the audience is about to hear, as opposed to giving a long boring technical/theoretical history of the musical system itself. BTW, I do the same when performing for Indian audiences who may be more familiar with vocal music than with instrumental. Many listeners have told me that they really appreciate being given some pointers of what to listen for in the music, and that it has helped shed some light on what otherwise would have been an unknown entity. My teacher told me years ago that the music should speak for itself, but that a few words might be in order to help elucidate unfamiliar aspects. She also gave me really great advice: the concert platform is NOT a classroom; never talk down to an audience; and that if giving a verbal introduction, not to confuse the audience with technical terms (either Indian or Western). Mark's third point is perhaps the most important of all -- that the music itself should be well-played and interesting, and that any introduction or explanation should heighten its appreciation, rather than serve as an apology for it. Personally, I've found the "say a few words about the music" approach to be very useful and to help connect with listeners. Of course, everyone has their own style and manner of presentation, and we've all certainly been moved tremendously many times simply by the power of music, whether or not there was any spoken introduction. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 13:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13001; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:26:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020101122940.00a78150@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 13:13:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms In-Reply-To: <006b01c192e4$011c1160$f5b84e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-PnDYC.A.W_C.x0fM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding the points brought up by Max, dt, Frank Gerace, James Pokorny, et al, I don't think there's one answer to the "performance explanation/narration" question that would apply in all situations. James used his specialty (Indian Classical music) for his example, and it's certainly true that there's a certain amount of verbal communication that's standard; acknowledgement of one's teachers, description of the alap, time signature, what raga is being used, historical background, etc. is *expected* by the audience at such a performance, and enhances the experience. But OTOH (and argumentum absurdum), I would find it odd for a blues musician to preface a tune by saying "In this piece, the lyrical exposition 'I woke up this mornin', all my shrimp was dead and gone" will be reprised once and then brought to resolution with the statement 'I was thinking about you, baby, why you hear me weep and moan', during which time I'll be playing a I-IV-V progression in the key of A on a 1952 Harmony acoustic guitar (holds up guitar) that's been fitted with a pickup (points to pickup) which will be amplified through a 1960 Sears Silvertone amplifier (spotlight shines on amp)." I find that when I include a Theremin in my setup, there're usually two or three people who come up to me afterwards and ask me about it, but I don't feel the need to explain heterodyne theory during the performance. It all comes down to what a performer is comfortable with, and to the style of his/her presentation. I don't think the performance would suffer should the player fail to point out the pedal that's responsible for the illusion of a second guitarist, but if the player *did* choose to offer a bit of technical explanation, it could certainly be done in an interesting, informative way that wouldn't be construed as a lecture. As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, looping devices are not as uncommon a sight on stages these days as they once were, and audiences aren't too baffled to enjoy themselves without a precise explanation. -t- (Lyrical extract from Robert Johnson's 'Dead Shrimp Blues'...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:26:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15278; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:58:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:58:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c192f5$85d29da0$3c114ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: gig spam - Steve Lawson, full list... Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:52:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is about as close to a full list as I'm going to get - if you want more details about the ones that are TBC, please e-mail dan@threshingfloor.com - Dan is the man who knows... hope to see lots of you on the tour - there'll be tonnes of loopaliciousness, and 7th Jan, 8pm @ The Knitting Factory, 7021 Hollywood Blvd, LA CA 90028 http://www.knittingfactory.com tel:323-463-0204 Solo gig at this legendary Hollywood venue - tickets £7. 8th Jan, 7pm @ Instrumental Music, Thousand Oaks, CA, 91360 contact John Vanselow - tel:805-496-3774 Clinic/performance for Ashdown Amplification. 10th Jan, 7pm @ Instrumental Music, 3328 State Street, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105 contact Jamie Falletti - tel:805-569-5055 Clinic/performance for Ashdown Amplification. 11th Jan @ Center for the Arts, 314 West Main Street, Grass Valley, CA 95945 also featuring Mike Roe, from the rather wonderful 77s and The Lost Dogs. TBC - e-mail dan@threshingfloor.com for details and confirmation. 12th Jan @ Lakeside Church, 745 Oak Avenue Parkway, Folsom, CA also featuring Mike Roe, from the rather wonderful 77s and The Lost Dogs. 13th Jan in Santa Cruz, CA TBC, also featuring Rick Walker's Loop.pooL and Orbis - email for details and confirmation. 14th Jan 7.30pm @ Espresso Garden & Café, 814 S. Bascom Ave, San Jose, CA 95128 contact Judy Hacket - (408) 298-0808 http://www.espresso-garden.com Solo gig, with Rick Walker's Loop.pooL at a gorgeous intimate venue in San Jose - see their website for more details. 16th Jan - Possible solo bass extravaganza in LA!! email dan@threshingfloor.com for more info, or keep an eye on the gig diary page on my website... 17-20th Jan @ NAMM 2002, Anaheim Conference Center, CA Back as usual for the NAMM show, playing for Ashdown, Modulus and maybe a few others. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:34:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16027; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:06:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:06:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <145.7310139.2963609a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:57:30 EST Subject: Re: crayons or paint? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_145.7310139.2963609a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_145.7310139.2963609a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 6:42:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes: > you surely must agree on some level that their really is no "best" > very true.....but more (loopers) is "better".....:)m --part1_145.7310139.2963609a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 6:42:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes:


you surely must agree on some level that their really is no "best"


very true.....but more (loopers) is "better".....:)m --part1_145.7310139.2963609a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17061; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:20:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <123.977bc3a.296363a9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:10:33 EST Subject: Re: gig spam - Steve Lawson, full list... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.977bc3a.296363a9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_123.977bc3a.296363a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 1:51:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > LA CA hey steve.....there's more to america than just cali.....bring you loopiness to the east, in fact arn't we closer to home?.....:)m --part1_123.977bc3a.296363a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 1:51:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


LA CA


hey steve.....there's more to america than just cali.....bring you loopiness to the east, in fact arn't we closer to home?.....:)m --part1_123.977bc3a.296363a9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18388; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:34:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:34:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Event EZ Bus? Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:23:59 -0600 Message-ID: <008301c192f9$dd0f3d40$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020101122940.00a78150@pop.metrocast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone here tried the Event EZ Bus as a solution for matrix routing between all the looping and effects devices? It seems that it could be a nice centerpiece for a live looping rig. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 16:28:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22964; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:00:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:00:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017201c19306$72f17c40$3c114ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3C30D57C.A269BFD9@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:31:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>> >Torn, who uses a much more elaborate approach, both in terms of the > >amount of gear > huh? i use a 5-space rack, and a buncha pedals! >>>In comparison to someone like Mr. Lawson (the bloke by which said comparison was brandished), that IS much more elaborate, in my reckoning. (I think his usual setup is a Jamman, DL4, and a Lexicon processor into one 1x10 combo amp... correct me here if need be, Steve).<<< ...That's about it, though that sounds like a rather small set up put like that - I need more stuff!!! Think it's about time I get an Echo-pro and a Echoplex - I've got space in my rack for two more thingies, and don't really need any more processing that I've already got with the MPX-G2, but as the old adage goes 'you can never have too many loop boxes'.. or something... so my rack is only a 4 space (2 of them empty, now that I've taken out the Interstellar Overdrive, due to an imbalance in the heaviness/laziness ratio), and I use one pedal (DL4), but do have a couple of controllers - Lexicon thingie that comes with the G2, and a JamMan two button one as well... When my DL4 was working properly, I used to use it to split the signal, running the JamMan completely wet, with a Volume pedal after it, so I could loop onto the JamMan and then fade it in and out in relation to the DL4 and the looping that I sometimes do in the MPX (won't be using that one as much on the CA tour, as I won't have a foot controller for the G2 (unless someone in LA fancies lending me their for a couple of weeks.... :o) Happy New Year Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk - tour details here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 18:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27261; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:29:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:29:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:09:53 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Message-ID: <20020101160953.A2523@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <123.96c11c5.2961d886@aol.com> <3C30D57C.A269BFD9@altruistmusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C30D57C.A269BFD9@altruistmusic.com>; from altruist@altruistmusic.com on Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 01:15:39PM -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I may add my own few worms to the can... I've been pondering these sorts of questions for quite some time, as I've been very interested (and involved) in the role of improvisation and spontaneous music making in electronica - specifically *danceable* electronica. The work I've done with looping extends from my work in free improvisation, where it has never been as important to align the audience with familiar patterns or sounds (nor is it considered a goal). The migration into a more tangible listening experience for a wider audience proves to be difficult because they are expecting very specific parts of the sound with which they can relate. I've found it very challenging to move into a dance-music aligned mode of improvisation, and I depend a great deal on looping as an element of the sound. So much so that it characterizes the sound and feel - and indeed, the overall pacing - of what I do, which has come to be quite downtempo and minimal in feel (regardless of tempo) and very developmental due to these constraints. The issue I've been struggling with at times is when the line between live performer and DJ becomes blurry and treacherous. Indeed, there have been more than just a handful of times when folks really enjoying my live sets haven't been within eye-shot of me and thought it was a really good downtempo/IDM-ish DJ set (and in some cases, believe it's me DJ'ing - which I do - and not performing live). So, that brings to a point exactly what people have been discussing here: even though I'm doing the sorts of things that are seldom experienced in a dance music setting (#1, live electronica, #2 *improvised* electronica), it may not be that people realize it's even live music, much less anything non-canned or even just non-sequenced. The difference seems mostly to do with the venue and the setting. When folks come to a gallery opening or a live show that will feature Craque doing live music, they know to expect something that may or may not be a continuous mix of music, but that will definitely be live, electro-acoustic, improvisational and experimental. But when I do a live set at a club or a party, people are just expecting to hear good dance music, regardless of how it's created - though hopefully they will see that it's live and appreciate it all that much more. The challenge in both these cases is to provide something that is both interesting to the ear and challenging to the musical mind, but that still grooves. I find the same challenges DJ'ing, and I definitely believe that we underestimate the audience's ability to be exposed to new sounds. matt (aka Craque) http://craque.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 18:41:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28990; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:59:55 EST Subject: GIGGING as a looper questions... To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e4.20637cb5.2963996b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e4.20637cb5.2963996b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am curious to hear from all you loopers who gig with your looping talents... I want to know the average set length and how many sets per performance you do? I am aware that this will and can vary... I am personally looking forward to non-rehersed improvisation on my bass with my EDPs... usually solo but occasionally adding drums/electronic drums / and or percussion ... and possibly an occasional vocalist. I live in Montana so the music scene is tough to get clubs to even hire live music (especially original) let alone something so far from the usual country singer on a stool... I am trying, and want to assess what and how looping gigs have worked in the past for all of you from the business side of getting the shows in the first place. And then what and how to serve once you've got the gig... So to summarize my question... How long do your gigs usually last? What time of day? what do you try to charge? How much do you usually actually make? etc... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_e4.20637cb5.2963996b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am curious to hear from all you loopers who gig with your looping talents...

I want to know the average set length and how many sets per performance you do?

I am aware that this will and can vary...

I am personally looking forward to non-rehersed improvisation on my bass with my EDPs... usually solo but occasionally adding drums/electronic drums / and or percussion ... and possibly an occasional vocalist.

I live in Montana so the music scene is tough to get clubs to even hire live music (especially original) let alone something so far from the usual country singer on a stool...

I am trying, and want to assess what and how looping gigs have worked in the past for all of you from the business side of getting the shows in the first place. And then what and how to serve once you've got the gig...

So to summarize my question... How long do your gigs usually last? What time of day? what do you try to charge? How much do you usually actually make? etc...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_e4.20637cb5.2963996b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 19:26:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30874; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:57:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C324A7C.2340D5BF@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:47:08 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GIGGING as a looper questions... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Greg, > How long do your gigs usually last? What time of day? > what do you try to charge? How much do you usually actually make? etc... I think you'll find it very difficult to get generalized answers to any of these questions, the main reason being that looping isn't really a "genre" per se. There are a few sonic and (occasionally) stylistic traits that crop up fairly commonly, but I think it's a mistake to assume that everyone's going to have the same basic answers to the questions posed above just because they share some common tools. Example: I played a gig back in June with fellow list members Steve Lawson and Ric Hordinski. All three sets were very different stylistically; in fact, all three sets could probably be filed in different genres or record store aisles, even though there were certainly some common sonic threads running throughout. And I'm sure all three of us would have very different answers to all of the questions you posed. The best advice I can offer would be to try and think in terms of whatever music you're playing, ASIDE from the fact that it's looped. It's sort of like saying, "What time of day do Chapman Stick players usually book their gigs at," or "How much do people who play Klein guitars make per gig," or "How long does a DJ spin records for," you know? Dealing with the music on its own terms, aside from the mechanics involved, will probably answer most if not all of those questions... and it also might free up some ideas about how you approach it in strictly musical terms as well. Hope this helps, and good luck. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 19:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32347; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c19320$f3d8e900$7687abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <008301c192f9$dd0f3d40$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: Event EZ Bus? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:03:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried a demo a few weeks ago. It was a thing I put a lot of hope on, because it could be mixer (with scenes) and midi controller in one: the looper's dream. (I had not checked its recording power as audio pc interface). I was a little disappointed enough to verify I couldn't reproduce my mixing setting (6 auxes and 2 groups). So, I wait for the next one. Btw, it seems Behringer (...) is about to release a digital mixer (www.ddx3216.com) that seems to be way more deep than the event (if you are not interested in audio to pc) my best luca www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: Event EZ Bus? > Has anyone here tried the Event EZ Bus as a solution for matrix routing > between all the looping and effects devices? It seems that it could be > a nice centerpiece for a live looping rig. > > Thanks, > Steve > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:12:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07097; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:44:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:44:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <13c.7117f7c.2963cb23@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:32:03 EST Subject: Re: GIGGING as a looper questions... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/1/2002 4:01:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes: << I want to know the average set length and how many sets per performance you do? >> Somewhat related but perhaps not...I remember hearing Elvin Jones talk about a gig he played with John Coltrane in Philadelphia where they played the opening number for 3 hours to an audience that dwindled a little during the duration of the tune. My understanding is that Coltrane once told Miles Davis he found it hard to stop playing sometimes and what could he do about that issue. Miles' reply was "Take the horn out of your mouth". Helpful advice for looping?.....mmmmight be. bryan helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 23:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10234; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Silence in Looping Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:40:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <13c.7117f7c.2963cb23@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Coltrane once told Miles Davis he found it hard to stop playing sometimes and what could he do about that issue. Miles' reply was "Take the horn out of your mouth". Helpful advice for looping?.....mmmmight be. bryan helm (Loopbozo@aol.com) This is so cute! And great advice--I searched the Web and found it at http://ilovejazz.tripod.com/jazz/johncoltrane.html Also at http://www.rarevinyl.net/m_davis.htm as "I just get carried away, I get these ideas which just keep coming and coming and sometimes I just can't stop". Miles laconically replied; "Try taking the motherfucker out of yo' mouth". I do find it difficult sometimes to know where I am in a loop if I turn it down too much . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 23:21:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10576; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:52:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:52:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.142] From: "Ritchie" To: Subject: Repeater- universal power and feedback?? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:14:58 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 03:44:08.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBD648D0:01C1933F] Resent-Message-ID: <27p1IB.A.tcC.nIoM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I'm in Australia and I'm thinking of buying the Repeater from the US due to the price being better than over here. Is the power supply an issue? It says universal but the physical plugs would have to be different. eg. US | | AUS / \ And one thing that I'm curious about (which I couldn't find browsing thru the archives) is: if I'm using Loop 1 for instance with a large feedback time; when I change to Loop 2, does Loop 1 die instantly or does the feedback continue once Loop 2 comences? Or can you choose between the two options? Thanks for any help, RItchie ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: http://hacked.at/facehacker http://www.mp3.com/rdomain ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 01:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19797; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:21:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.182.24.177] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater- universal power and feedback?? Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:12:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 06:12:38.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A4FF180:01C19354] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ritchie, >I'm in Australia and I'm thinking of buying the Repeater from the US due to >the price being better than over here. Is the power supply an issue? It >says universal but the physical plugs would have to be different. eg. US | >| AUS / The physical plug would be your only - and minor - concern. The manual states suitability (electrically) for 100V - 240V and 47 - 63Hz. The transformer unit has AC-side cable of the detachable type, so easily replaced for the local flavor. >And one thing that I'm curious about (which I couldn't find browsing thru >the archives) is: >if I'm using Loop 1 for instance with a large feedback time; when I change >to Loop 2, does Loop 1 die instantly or does the feedback continue once >Loop >2 comences? Or can you choose between the two options? Switching between two loops (as Repeater defines them) has immediate effect - all operations on the first loop are abandoned upon switching, and you start with a clean slate on loop #2. Loop #1 does remain intact for later (immediate) recall and further use. However, it's also a multi-track device, not sure if that's where you're headed - you can switch tracks within the same loop. Feedback/overdub on the new track would commence while the other track still runs along without modification. Sorry if I perhaps misunderstood - hope this helps. I have had this device for a few days and I'm loving it. Nic >Thanks for any help, >RItchie >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: >http://hacked.at/facehacker >http://www.mp3.com/rdomain >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 03:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30407; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:36:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:36:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.236.134.25] From: "blue wolf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Finding Local looping performances Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:28:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 08:28:06.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[6756F070:01C19367] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi All,

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances happening useing looping techonology?

Thanks

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 06:15:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12573; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:52:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:52:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:43:02 +0000 Subject: Behold, loopers from the East, bearing glad tidings... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>hey steve.....there's more to america than just cali.....bring you loopiness to the east, in fact arn't we closer to home?.....:)m <<< I'm hoping to do an east coast tour later this year - need to see how this one goes, and if my promoter guy (who is fantastic, BTW) is up for doing something bigger, and whether Ashdown/Modulus/some loop company will get behind it... the California thing is just that being out there for NAMM makes it all much cheaper, and having Geniuses like Rick Walker offer to help out with promotion, and even better, play with me, makes it all far too tempting... :o) and BTW, that's 'loopaliciousness' to you, sir!! LOL Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 07:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21061; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:05:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:05:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c19385$672cb080$7deb43d4@q8s0h6> From: "free audio production" To: Subject: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:00:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1938D.7B69FD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1938D.7B69FD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please help me : i want to loop live with the electrix repeater - there are 3 switches on = the digitech fs300 footswitch - is that enough controll for live-looping = ? or is there a better footswitch to use ? or should i get an echoplex with its bigger = footswitch ? thanx !! ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1938D.7B69FD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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i want to loop live with the electrix = repeater -=20 there are 3 switches on the digitech fs300 footswitch - is that enough = controll=20 for live-looping ? or is there a better
footswitch to use ? or should i = get an=20 echoplex with its bigger footswitch ?
thanx !!
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1938D.7B69FD20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 09:09:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32163; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:45:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:45:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:36:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004801c19385$672cb080$7deb43d4@q8s0h6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I would recommend the Behringer FCB1010 for use with the Repeater. It can send controller messages as well as program changes. It also has 2 expression pedals which can be set to control the output volume on the 1/2 & 3/4 stereo pairs - very nice. 5/PCs, 2/CCs, Note ON (for tap tempo) and the expression pedals can all be stacked in each preset. Musician's Friend has them for $129.95. Alan _________________________ Alan Barnard BarnarDesign http://www.barnardesign.com alan@barnardesign.com -----Original Message----- From: free audio production [mailto:audiolink@gmx.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? please help me : i want to loop live with the electrix repeater - there are 3 switches on the digitech fs300 footswitch - is that enough controll for live-looping ? or is there a better footswitch to use ? or should i get an echoplex with its bigger footswitch ? thanx !! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 09:49:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05655; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:23:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:15:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Here's what I did on New Years . . . From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112271940.OAA14702@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092807717_286063_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092807717_286063_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey guys -- Wanted to share a really wonderful New Years experience I had that involved live looping. I went up to a ritual gathering in Vermont (as part of the community), and brought all my gear with me. Announced early on (it was a 3-day affair) that I brought some live ambient electronic music gear with me and was looking forward to providing a live soundtrack for the weekend as it developed. People were appreciative and curious. I set the gear up in a warehouse-type room where the New Years party (complete with sound system and djs) was going to be. People were in that room setting up the space for the party and just hanging out over all three days, and I just played when I felt like it. Really cool -- had never done that before. I particularly liked hanging out with people, talking, being physical (it was a rather affectionate community), enjoying that experience, then getting up and playing a bit. Also played when people were drawing a big veve on the ground (ritual chalk drawing to create a sacred space). One of the challenges was when I started playing and people would pick up drums to play along (these are VERY non-professional drummers). My looping tends to be very rhythmically precise and intricate, and my first reaction was to be really bummed. But in this context I didn not want to ask anyone to stop anything they were doing, so I just went with it. I was actually helped a lot in this by the comment of Aki Onda, a composer who happened to be around. When I told him about this problem, he said with a big smile, "Oh, you're in one rhythm, they're in another -- great!" I don't know that i'd adapt this approach for a concert, but for the weekend it worked fine. New Year's eve was interesting. The plan was for me to start the evening doing some drony electro-raga stuff, into some ambient stuff, then turn it over to the djs. But it didn't work out like that. One of the djs just started playing. Of course, people started dancing so there was no way I could interrupt with a drone. But I still wanted to play. So I waited to a moment when her set seemed to peak, and told her I wanted to play. She turned it over to me -- and one of those damned drummers started! :) Well, it was magical. I started a drone, let the drummers carry the rhythm and started playing and singing over them. Eventually, I did loop a really obvious 4/4 rhythm over them that they could more or less follow. People started dancing in a circle, and really got into it for a long time -- I added processed vocals (improvised lyrics on the theme of the weekend) and it was really great. Much broader strokes musically than I would do in a solo set, but it was so great to be part of a living event. Being flexible really made this possible (and knowing my gear) -- I didn't insist on "playing all my shit" for everybody -- in fact, I'd say I played a very very limited range of my music over the weekend -- but it worked! Some thoughts on all this in re recent discussions: I did not explain anything I was doing. To my mind, instruments and loopers are just tools to an end, and my end in this case was to create music that would be an integral part of a community. A few people came up to me afterwards and believe me, I went on and on and on about my gear -- but found it much more magical to just get up and play. (a few people came up when I was playing and said, "are you playing all this yourself?" -- they were delighted). I was nervous about playing opposite djs. I have a certain sound I can make with my stuff, and they have infinite cds to choose from. But I found people were really excited to have live music that was being improvised in the moment to go with the flow of the crowd. The fact that I was playing and singing in the moment seemed to make up for the fact that my sound wasn't as slick as a produced dance cd. And it's funny -- you never know what's going to work. At one point, one of the djs wanted to put on guy lombardo's Auld Lang Syne. So I looped some vinyl noise to segue into that. They had a technical problem and couldn't get the turntable working, so to fill the space I sang the song over loop in a Milton Nascimento Brasilian falsetto style -- all the while feeling, basically, "what on earth am I doing?" -- and people later told me it was one of the most moving parts of the evening. Anyhow, sorry for the long post but I hope this is of some stimulation -- --MS_Mac_OE_3092807717_286063_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Here's what I did on New Years . . . Hey guys --
Wanted to share a really wonderful New Years experience I had that involved= live looping.
I went up to a ritual gathering in Vermont (as part of the community), and = brought all my gear with me.  Announced early on (it was a 3-day affair= ) that I brought some live ambient electronic music gear with me and was loo= king forward to providing a live soundtrack for the weekend as it developed.=  People were appreciative and curious.
I set the gear up in a warehouse-type room where the New Years party (compl= ete with sound system and djs) was going to be.  People were in that ro= om setting up the space for the party and just hanging out over all three da= ys, and I just played when I felt like it.  Really cool -- had never do= ne that before.  I particularly liked hanging out with people, talking,= being physical (it was a rather affectionate community), enjoying that expe= rience, then getting up and playing a bit.  
Also played when people were drawing a big veve on the ground (ritual chalk= drawing to create a sacred space).
One of the challenges was when I started playing and people would pick up d= rums to play along (these are VERY non-professional drummers).  My loop= ing tends to be very rhythmically precise and intricate, and my first reacti= on was to be really bummed.  But in this context I didn not want to ask= anyone to stop anything they were doing, so I just went with it.  I wa= s actually helped a lot in this by the comment of Aki Onda, a composer who h= appened to be around.  When I told him about this problem, he said with= a big smile, "Oh, you're in one rhythm, they're in another -- great!&q= uot;  I don't know that i'd adapt this approach for a concert, but for = the weekend it worked fine.  
New Year's eve was interesting.  The plan was for me to start the even= ing doing some drony electro-raga stuff, into some ambient stuff, then turn = it over to the djs.  But it didn't work out like that.  One of the= djs just started playing.  Of course, people started dancing so there = was no way I could interrupt with a drone.  But I still wanted to play.=  So I waited to a moment when her set seemed to peak, and told her I w= anted to play.  She turned it over to me -- and one of those damned dru= mmers started!  :)  
Well, it was magical.  I started a drone, let the drummers carry the r= hythm and started playing and singing over them.  Eventually, I did loo= p a really obvious 4/4 rhythm over them that they could more or less follow.=  People started dancing in a circle, and really got into it for a long= time -- I added processed vocals (improvised lyrics on the theme of the wee= kend) and it was really great.  Much broader strokes musically than I w= ould do in a solo set, but it was so great to be part of a living event. &nb= sp;Being flexible really made this possible (and knowing my gear) -- I didn'= t insist on "playing all my shit" for everybody -- in fact, I'd sa= y I played a very very limited range of my music over the weekend -- but it = worked!
Some thoughts on all this in re recent discussions:
I did not explain anything I was doing.  To my mind, instruments and l= oopers are just tools to an end, and my end in this case was to create music= that would be an integral part of a community.  A few people came up t= o me afterwards and believe me, I went on and on and on about my gear -- but= found it much more magical to just get up and play.  (a few people cam= e up when I was playing and said, "are you playing all this yourself?&q= uot; -- they were delighted).
I was nervous about playing opposite djs.  I have a certain sound I ca= n make with my stuff, and they have infinite cds to choose from.  But I= found people were really excited to have live music that was being improvis= ed in the moment to go with the flow of the crowd.  The fact that I was= playing and singing in the moment seemed to make up for the fact that my so= und wasn't as slick as a produced dance cd.
And it's funny -- you never know what's going to work.  At one point, = one of the djs wanted to put on guy lombardo's Auld Lang Syne.   S= o I looped some vinyl noise to segue into that.  They had a technical p= roblem and couldn't get the turntable working, so to fill the space I sang t= he song over loop in a Milton Nascimento Brasilian falsetto style -- all the= while feeling, basically, "what on earth am I doing?" -- and peop= le later told me it was one of the most moving parts of the evening.
Anyhow, sorry for the long post but I hope this is of some stimulation -- --MS_Mac_OE_3092807717_286063_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 10:16:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09032; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:53:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:53:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Event EZ Bus? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:44:13 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c1939b$f293c8f0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001501c19320$f3d8e900$7687abd4@giow2000> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luca, The Behringer unit looks interesting and apparently it has been released and is selling for approx. $1599. (@ 8thstreet music). It seems a bit much since both the Tascam and Yamaha digital mixers are less ... I know they don't have as many XLR connectors but they do have built in ADAT/TDIF which is another $300 option on the Behringer unit. BTW, what do you mean 6 auxes and 2 groups? Thanks, steve > > I tried a demo a few weeks ago. > It was a thing I put a lot of hope on, because it could be mixer (with > scenes) and midi controller in one: the looper's dream. (I > had not checked its recording power as audio pc interface). I > was a little disappointed enough to verify I couldn't > reproduce my mixing setting (6 auxes and 2 groups). So, I > wait for the next one. Btw, it seems Behringer (...) is about > to release a digital mixer > (www.ddx3216.com) that seems to be way more deep than the > event (if you are not interested in audio to pc) > > my best > luca > www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: Event EZ Bus? > Has anyone here tried the Event EZ Bus as a solution for matrix > routing between all the looping and effects devices? It seems that it > could be a nice centerpiece for a live looping rig. > > Thanks, > Steve > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 10:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12729; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: making field recordings Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:10:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been pretty happy with some recordings I did with my Portable Minidisc player and a SONY stereo condenser mic (sorry can't remember the model). I used it three years ago to do some field recordings of the Harp Seal herd off the coast of Prince Edward Island. It held up surprisingly well considering the arctic conditions (-40 F out on the frozen ocean), the display was not reliable at that temp, but the recordings came out fine. I probably could have used a wind shield of some sort, but listening back now, I like the sound of the wind. I also managed to get a fairly interesting recording of helicopter blades starting up in stereo from right below them. If money were not an object, I would like to have a Binaural mic set up and a DAT player. Question: Can you make a Binaural mic set up easily? Is it significantly more complicated than sticking condenser mics into the ears of a dummy head? Carl Jacobson Director of Marketing Communications -----Original Message----- From: Mary Jane Adams [mailto:maverickmary@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:06 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: making field recordings Hi, I'm curious to know if any of you make field recordings. What kind of portable/remote equipment do you use? Special mikes? Suggested techniques? Helpful books or web sites for more info? Thanks! Mary Jane (ps: posted this question to the ambient@hyperreal list also, so pardon if you get this twice.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 11:31:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18292; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:08:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:08:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <13c.7117f7c.2963cb23@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:58:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Silence in Looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Coltrane once told Miles Davis he found it hard to stop playing sometimes >and what could he do about that issue. Miles' reply was "Take the >horn out of your mouth". Helpful advice for looping?.....mmmmight be. >bryan helm (Loopbozo@aol.com) > What?!? Do you have any idea how difficult it was to get the Repeater into my mouth in the first place? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 12:10:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20943; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:43:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:35:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092805309_105065_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092805309_105065_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/2/02 12:28 AM, blue wolf at blueman9@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances happening useing looping techonology? Thanks Blue Wolf Oddly enough, though there are a lot of Loopers in the Bay area, it seems like loop shows are fairly infrequent. I think we're too busy trying to make enough money to pay our insanely high rent to find the time. Probably that, and a hostile venue situation. I probably shouldn't gripe to much, as I've not tried too hard to play live. I'm having success just working in my home studio and putting up mp3s on the internet. A lot less gear moving. Actually, that's a big part of why I don't try and play out a lot. My gear has become too complex and it's a hassle to move. Anyone else have this problem? (I'm sure you do!) What I've done to help it to have a "lite" rig. Guitar, Korg AX30G, Digitech Space Station, JamMan, Amp. I've taken it to a friend's studio and it seemed to work well, though I did miss my Repeater and other gear. As Steven Wright said, "Can't have everything. Where would you put it?" Mark Sottilaro Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here --MS_Mac_OE_3092805309_105065_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Finding Local looping performances on 1/2/02 12:28 AM, blue wolf at blueman9@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi All,

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances = happening useing looping techonology?

Thanks

Blue Wolf

Oddly enough, though there are a lot of Loopers in the Bay area, it seems l= ike loop shows are fairly infrequent.  I think we're too busy trying to= make enough money to pay our insanely high rent to find the time.  Pro= bably that, and a hostile venue situation.  I probably shouldn't gripe = to much, as I've not tried too hard to play live.  I'm having success j= ust working in my home studio and putting up mp3s on the internet.  A l= ot less gear moving.  Actually, that's a big part of why I don't try an= d play out a lot.  My gear has become too complex and it's a hassle to = move.  Anyone else have this problem? (I'm sure you do!)  What I'v= e done to help it to have a "lite" rig.  Guitar, Korg AX30G, = Digitech Space Station, JamMan, Amp.  I've taken it to a friend's studi= o and it seemed to work well, though I did miss my Repeater and other gear. =  As Steven Wright said, "Can't have everything.  Where would = you put it?"

Mark Sottilaro

Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here <http://go.msn.c= om/bql/hmtag1_etl_EN.asp>


--MS_Mac_OE_3092805309_105065_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 12:52:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25507; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:28:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:28:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.43.87] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GIGGING as a looper questions... Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:18:09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 17:18:09.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[735FB0B0:01C193B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am curious to hear from all you loopers who gig with your looping >talents... Well, I consider myself pretty fortunate as I actually make a living doing solo bass/looping shows. Of course, I need to supplement that, sometimes meager, amount with sessions, side-man gigs, teaching etc. but, nonetheless, 100% of my income is generated thru music. I am not starving, I own my on house...so I think I am doing pretty well. One thing about doing this (the solo/looping shows)...you cannot be lazy about things. I find that when I slip, and let things slide abit, well, everything suffers. This is much more demanding than working for someone else. The thing about "doing it all yourself" is that you really MUST do it all yourself. You need to be entrepeneurial. Often times creating gigs, which may or may not pay (and then, may only pay very little) just to get some exposure on the chance it could blossom into something a little more financially rewarding. I get gigs everywhere I can...coffee shops, bars, art galleries, restaurants even local crafts fairs and such. Being versatlie, stylistically, helps, as does have a range of "accessible" music, in addition to some more challenging stuff (ambient, "soundscapes" etc. always work well in art galleries). I have done commissions for dance troupes. I have rec'd both teaching and Artist In Residence grants which provide me with both outlets and resources for shows. It is a lot of work, and I suppose a bit of luck, making this all work. And you are bound to run into some walls. >I live in Montana so the music scene is tough to get clubs to even hire >live >music (especially original) especially, methinks, in Montana. But, I don't live in an area of Calif. which is especially a cultural Mecca...so it can be done. JUst go and create your "market" and create the neccessity of your gigs. >I want to know the average set length and how many sets per performance you >do? geez...this varies alot. From 30min to hours long/multi set shows >I am personally looking forward to non-rehersed improvisation on my bass >with >my EDPs... usually solo but occasionally adding drums/electronic drums / >and >or percussion ... and possibly an occasional vocalist. Sounds great...Good luck...just go for it. Chances are where you are not too many people have been exposed to this kind of thing, but that does not neccessarily mean they won't be recpetive to it. Just do it! Even if you have to do one or two shows for free... As for the $$....I began working VERY cheaply. From free shows to doing it just for tips at restaurants and coffee houses (which is very good practice, btw). Now I can, sometimes, make what a band might pull for a show...or sometimes even more! Avg. about $200 for a 45min-1hour set, but I have been lucky enough to make $1000 for a 30min set! (altho not very often, there). You have to gauge things according to the draw, the market, and what a venue/client might be willing to pay. And remember when you first start doing this, nobody knows you...so don't expect much! If you are truely driven to do it...then great! Good luck...make it happen, find other like-minded musicians to share a bill...create a gig (or two or three or more).... ...and let us know how it is working out. Hope this helps a bit.... Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:05:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26272; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:40:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:40:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:30:15 EST Subject: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA25608 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just to show some evidence of fairness and that I am just as likely to deflate my own party balloon as blow it up. I thought it might be instructive to share a recent negative review my CD has gotten. I've passed along a few of the positive ones from time to time (as I have been pretty darned pleased to get them) and thought I'd distribute this one as well. It's really quite funny in it's own way. And besides, even bad publicity is still publicity -- or so they say. Anyway, I have a question for everybody at the bottom of all of this (should you get there). I'm also including a "translation" of another review I got from a publication in Lithuania a while back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'd sound like Ted Killian. Despite the lofty philosophical statement that graces the sleeve of Flux Aeterna (adorned with mathematical symbols, natch), this is an album that wants only to stand in front of an amp stack and wail, albeit in a slightly mechanical, dystopian way. The tunes on this disc are all vaguely soundtrackesque. For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a disintegrating future, of some kind of technological breakdown is communicated in these tunes so successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't a piece of film that goes with them. "Leaving Medford" is an edgy, angry piece of work, leaving no doubt in the listener's mind that the future's fucked, and Ted's here with his newscasting guitar to tell you all about it. "Cauterant Baptism", on the other hand, uses the depressive tone to rock out: it begins with some loose space-cowboy noodling, then turns into a late-Bowie toned behemoth, with a stomping bassline and searing guitar that threaten to rip off your ears. Not as truly astringent as other guitar-wielding noiseniks, Killian seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside his world-o'-shred. While this makes you crave more spark in his playing --occasionally, it can sound more like he's practicing for the real deal more than experiencing it -- it's satisfying to have something to hold on to amid the sonic excursions. The propensity for albums like Flux Aeterna to devolve into nothing more than shredwank isn't entirely sidestepped here -- there are a couple of moments when one imagines that Ted's giving Steve Vai a run for his gurning-while-fretboard- whizzing money -- but thankfully, these instances of cringe aren't too long-lived when they occur. The weakness with ambient/experimental guitar tunes is that they can fall into the "Hey! I've played that in my bedroom before!" trap. Whether this is a welcome familiarity in the world of anonymous rock, or merely annoying when you've forked over money for the disc, is a personal call, but let's just say that if it's the latter, you might want to give this disc a miss. That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good ideas here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself digging out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin. Luke Martin, http://www.splendidezine.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- A few months ago I got a review from a Lithuanian print magazine called "Tango" and asked the list if anybody new a translator. Well, I finally got a translation on my own from an online outfit. I am still not sure the translation is quite right because it sounds so darned academic, but here goes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Linas, Tango Magazine, Lithuania, October, 2001 I did not manage to find any additional information on this musician, so material received previously from pfMENTUM is the only context in which it is possible to present this musician and his new work. pfMENTUM is a small record label based in California and specializing in modern experimental and extemporaneous music. Tango has reviewed records of this firm before. From the small amount of given works, it is possible to make conclusions and suppose that this work, “Flux Aeterna,†fits into a frame of aesthetics introduced by this publisher on other occasions. Like the previous records, it is issued in unique and unusual packing (even in a box), like the musical concepts it contains, along with the cryptic motto: "Change equals hope. Hope equals change." It's obvious, that Ted Killian is a musician who has grown and matured under the influence of the school of effects (guitar of the seventies and eighties) especially from the peripheral aesthetic point of view of repetitive minimalism, plus an extensive musical heritage -- without which musical (not only guitars) thinking and interpretation would be impossible -- in electro/acoustic music and urbanized blues. But, such a generalized set of references certainly doesn't explain anything to us. Listening to the given work, I cannot escape being reminded of one persistent idea: It is clear that not one popular band has survived the speeding 50-year long evolution of the electric guitar. Nonetheless, it is natural that different crumbs of this history can be found in the vocabulary of any musician who knows it from experience rather than from second hand. Among these fashionable musicians we can also rank Ted Killian -- who's music is vigorous and mysterious with wide and multi-channeled overlappings designed around electronic musical effects. Here one can reference such luminaries as Frank Zappa, Carlos Santana, Robert Fripp and Glenn Branca. There is distortion, overloaded "phasing", different from the electronic effects approaches that which the former bluesmen have passed on to us, and their aesthetic marks (also well known: progressive chords and dynamism). Add "Fripertonic" overlappings of sounds and feedback, a minimized figure of a rhythm and "ostinatic" motifs and you have a formula for the next plan. All this is easily read, without claims and is a result of "converging" music with original Ted Killian characteristics and an exacting feeling of the form --all-in-all, worthy of note -- and I actually recommend listening to this modern guitar music. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one more or less positive --and neither one of these guys really seems to understand what he's listening too -- or at least neither one really seems to understand what caused the music to be made in the first place (me). Did I make a mistake in being rather stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. Given the recent thread concerning the idea that we might (or might not) take some time to explain ourselves and our techniques and/or concepts to an audience before a performance how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM than about me. Was that a mistake? It's not the reviewer's fault that I'm a somewhat unknown entity. But I'm also neither a wannabe bedroom shredmeister nor an academically trained composer/ musical philosopher. Both are way off from my point of view... and pretty substantially to boot. Is this sort of thing unavoidable? Anywho, thanks for your time. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27006; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3345BE.5E34@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:49:38 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances happening useing looping techonology? Similer to Mark,I've created a "Lite Rig" But,because my main interest these days is playing with other people it is my "only rig" I run my echoplex from a Raven Labs APD-1(thanks Max and Steve) where I can split or blend the signal into either effects engine of my Eventide Eclipse. 2-1/2 rack spaces,3 volume pedals and everything in a soft rack bag !!! I'll be playing with Land of the Blind http://www.landoftheblind.com Feb 1 at the Starry Plough,opening for Tempest.Our singer/visionary Cyoakha also loops at times.(boss loop station) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27242; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:52:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:52:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:42:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 17:42:34.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC92D050:01C193B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in a San Jose-based band called Fractal. We employ looping as part of our overall approach and sound, so not strictly a looping "show". Our current setlist does include two pieces where I'm permitted to sololoop while the chaps go have a drink. We have a couple of upcoming gigs in Sunnyvale in Feb, Apr and May. I suppose my gear-hauling problems are less of an issue than Mark's. I have a single 6-space rack occupied by Trace Elliot reactor amp, POD Pro and Repeater. Everything attaches by "umbilical" to the external stuff which includes Line6 floorboard, DL-4, and GR-33. That plus the speakers keeps it all fairly lite and mobile. I don't do this for a living but would like to keep my back intact nonetheless;-) Nic www.frakctal.com >From: Marklar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances >Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:35:09 -0800 > >on 1/2/02 12:28 AM, blue wolf at blueman9@hotmail.com wrote: > >Hi All, > >I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances >happening useing looping techonology? > >Thanks > >Blue Wolf > >Oddly enough, though there are a lot of Loopers in the Bay area, it seems >like loop shows are fairly infrequent. I think we're too busy trying to >make enough money to pay our insanely high rent to find the time. Probably >that, and a hostile venue situation. I probably shouldn't gripe to much, >as >I've not tried too hard to play live. I'm having success just working in >my >home studio and putting up mp3s on the internet. A lot less gear moving. >Actually, that's a big part of why I don't try and play out a lot. My gear >has become too complex and it's a hassle to move. Anyone else have this >problem? (I'm sure you do!) What I've done to help it to have a "lite" >rig. >Guitar, Korg AX30G, Digitech Space Station, JamMan, Amp. I've taken it to >a >friend's studio and it seemed to work well, though I did miss my Repeater >and other gear. As Steven Wright said, "Can't have everything. Where >would >you put it?" > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29620; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:08:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.43.87] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:58:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 17:58:25.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[132E1550:01C193B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: scott kungha drengsen > >Similer to Mark,I've created a "Lite Rig" But,because my main interest >these days is playing with other people it is my "only rig" I run my >echoplex from a Raven Labs APD-1(thanks Max and Steve) where I can split >or blend the signal into either effects engine of my Eventide Eclipse. >2-1/2 rack spaces,3 volume pedals and everything in a soft rack bag !!! ...you are so welcome Kungha! Your new, smaller rig sounds real cool, and I would love to hear what you are doing with the eclipse...since what you did "sans-eclipse" (yer cd) has been in my cd for months now as a fantasic bit o' inspiration! Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 14:11:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00405; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:46:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:46:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804898@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A negative review for 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:36:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193BC.591C5BD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193BC.591C5BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" hey ted, here's my take on things like this: i actually use reviews like this in my press pieces because they actually do give the idea of what the music is - - *as seen through the eyes of the reviewer* - - which means that the reviewer is wearing his/her biases on his/her sleeve. (one of my favorite reviews of one of my discs was saying that you shouldn't listen to it by yourself in a dark house. the reviewer didn't like the disc, but it sure *did* something to him.) also consider that there are some great descriptors in here that would make me intrigued by your project: >If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'd sound like Ted Killian.< >For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a disintegrating future, of some kind of technological breakdown is communicated in these tunes so successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't a piece of film that goes with them.< >with a stomping bassline and searing guitar that threaten to rip off your ears.< >Not as truly astringent as other guitar-wielding noiseniks, Killian seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside his world-o'-shred.< >That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good ideas here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself digging out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin.< ** what i see is that - - despite this person's trying hard not to like it (due to whatever personal reasons - - he seems to be quite tuned into the tech behind the disc - - probably a guitar player!) - - he was actually **affected** by it. that *is* important! ** the last bit about making you want to get out your guitar and e-bow, while seeming like a slam, may actually be great because it points to the listener being inspired to go and make music . . . also i think that it could be worse, it could say nothing about the music. contrast this with a review i got recently that lumped my cd "pomengranate" in with a bunch of "bass player" albums. it acted as if the album was supposed to be a showcase for my bass chops - - a solo vehicle for me in a blowing session - - where is really is four concerti written for other soloists (the disc is about my *writing*, not my playing) . . . in pollyanna-land, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193BC.591C5BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A negative review for 2002

hey ted,

here's my take on things like this:

i actually use reviews like this in my press pieces becau= se they actually do give the idea of what the music is - - *as seen through= the eyes of the reviewer* - - which means that the reviewer is wearing his= /her biases on his/her sleeve.

(one of my favorite reviews of one of my discs was saying= that you shouldn't listen to it by yourself in a dark house. the reviewer = didn't like the disc, but it sure *did* something to him.)


also consider that there are some great descriptors in he= re that would make me intrigued by your project:



>If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled = guitar to
the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'= d
sound like Ted Killian.<


>For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg =
flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a
disintegrating future, of some kind of technological
breakdown is communicated in these tunes so
successfully that it's difficult to believe that there i= sn't
a piece of film that goes with them.<
 
>with a stomping bassline and searing
guitar that threaten to rip off your ears.<

>Not as truly astringent as other guitar-wielding nois= eniks, Killian
seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside
his world-o'-shred.<

>That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good= ideas
here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself= digging
out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin.<<= /FONT>


** what i see is that - - despite this person's trying ha= rd not to like it (due to whatever personal reasons - - he seems to be quit= e tuned into the tech behind the disc - - probably a guitar player!)  = - - he was actually **affected** by it. that *is* important!

** the last bit about making you want to get out your gui= tar and e-bow, while seeming like a slam, may actually be great because it = points to the listener being inspired to go and make music . . .

also i think that it could be worse, it could say nothing= about the music. contrast this with a review i got recently that lumped my= cd "pomengranate" in with a bunch of "bass player" alb= ums. it acted as if the album was supposed to be a showcase for my bass cho= ps - - a solo vehicle for me in a blowing session  - - where is really= is four concerti written for other soloists (the disc is about my *writing= *, not my playing) . . .

in pollyanna-land,

stig











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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193BC.591C5BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 14:28:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02999; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:02:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:02:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c193be$8f662570$6187abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <000801c1939b$f293c8f0$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: Event EZ Bus? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:51:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steven wrote: > BTW, what do you mean 6 auxes and 2 groups? Hi Steven, currently I am using as (discontinued but very close to their new Mix Wizard .."xyz") Allen & Heath Gl2. I go into trk 1 with my preamplified signal and I have 6 auxes, set up in 3 stereo couples for 3 different efx boxes. the outs of these boxes come back through the channels' strips, so I can route them inside each other once again. The looper is feeded by the two group outs and its outs also come back to 2 channel strips, so I can process it. This set up is not possible with the Ez Bus. But it is with the Behringer. When I check a mixer (beside the sound) I look for routing flexibility and "phisicality" (does it make sense ?). The ddx has for sure the flexibility; about sound and interface, I still have to touch and hear one of them. Let me know if you find out more. thanks, luca www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: RE: Event EZ Bus? > Hi Luca, > > The Behringer unit looks interesting and apparently it has been released > and is selling for approx. $1599. (@ 8thstreet music). It seems a bit > much since both the Tascam and Yamaha digital mixers are less ... I know > they don't have as many XLR connectors but they do have built in > ADAT/TDIF which is another $300 option on the Behringer unit. > > BTW, what do you mean 6 auxes and 2 groups? > > Thanks, > steve > > > > > > I tried a demo a few weeks ago. > > It was a thing I put a lot of hope on, because it could be mixer (with > > scenes) and midi controller in one: the looper's dream. (I > > had not checked its recording power as audio pc interface). I > > was a little disappointed enough to verify I couldn't > > reproduce my mixing setting (6 auxes and 2 groups). So, I > > wait for the next one. Btw, it seems Behringer (...) is about > > to release a digital mixer > > (www.ddx3216.com) that seems to be way more deep than the > > event (if you are not interested in audio to pc) > > > > my best > > luca > > > www.unguitar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Steven Ginn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:23 PM > Subject: Event EZ Bus? > > > > Has anyone here tried the Event EZ Bus as a solution for matrix > > routing between all the looping and effects devices? It seems that it > > > could be a nice centerpiece for a live looping rig. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:01:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05779; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:37:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C32FD4C.B9A99AC8@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:30:05 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-OFLCB.A.IOB.G-1M8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well ted, the word "suck" didn't appear in either review so they can't be that bad. an group i used to play with got loads of those so i know of what i speak... happy new year, y'all bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06997; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:58:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804899@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:48:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193C6.764EFBE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193C6.764EFBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" [on the NiN/Madonna "canned music" thing...] > nevertheless, > the audience doesn't *care* to know how the music is achieved --- however the > quality of the music's effect might be judged, *that* seems to be the > audience's primary concern. ** after having done two nights of playing behind an oldies act that basically did the same show (including patter and and "spontaneous" commentary) for three sets - - and knowing that this act does the same show year-in-year-out for something like 10-20 years . . . and seeing people sitting through two shows and loving them both (WHATEVER!!!), suffice it to say that i don't think that many audience members care much about how the music is manifested - - or often what it is. they are there for the show, the spectacle. now if you wanna talk about famous jazz artists who allegedly make "live albums" but cobbling together a "live tune" from 300 edits . . . > >or Jaco's looping solo in the middle of Joni Mitchell gigs. > jaco did that? ** while this shows how early people were doing this sort of thing with tape echoplexes, i want to reiterate that les mccann used to do this with a 4-channel tape echoplex (custom in think) on many sets in the early to mid-'70s. (his bass player jimmy rowser used to do his solo feature doing the same thing with a single-channel as well.) it wasn't just "cutting-edge" people like jaco who did this stuff . . . stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193C6.764EFBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms

[on the NiN/Madonna "canned music" thing...]
> nevertheless,
> the audience doesn't *care* to know how the music i= s achieved --- however the
> quality of the music's effect might be judged, *tha= t* seems to be the
> audience's primary concern.

** after having done two nights of playing behind an oldi= es act that basically did the same show (including patter and and "spo= ntaneous" commentary) for three sets - - and knowing that this act doe= s the same show year-in-year-out for something like 10-20 years . . . and s= eeing people sitting through two shows and loving them both (WHATEVER!!!), = suffice it to say that i don't think that many audience members care much a= bout how the music is manifested - - or often what it is. they are there fo= r the show, the spectacle. now if you wanna talk about famous jazz artists = who allegedly make "live albums" but cobbling together a "li= ve tune" from 300 edits . . .


> >or Jaco's looping solo in the middle of Joni Mit= chell gigs.
> jaco did that?

** while this shows how early people were doing this sort= of thing with tape echoplexes, i want to reiterate that les mccann used to= do this with a 4-channel tape echoplex (custom in think) on many sets in t= he early to mid-'70s. (his bass player jimmy rowser used to do his solo fea= ture doing the same thing with a single-channel as well.) it wasn't just &q= uot;cutting-edge" people like jaco who did this stuff . . . 

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193C6.764EFBE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10387; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:19:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:19:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c193c9$98665f40$6187abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:10:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted, I've never listened to what you play, so these are comments to words, nothing else than those. > For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg > flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a > disintegrating future, of some kind of technological > breakdown is communicated in these tunes so > successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't > a piece of film that goes with them. > well, if I had received this line, I would have been really proud. Videodrome is (altought a little "old viewed") a very, very deep movie. > Did I make a mistake in being rather > stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really > matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue > to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. Not by my point of view, music takes its sense by the richness of who listen to it. my 2 cents. do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" exists). ciao, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15617; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:03:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:03:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C33730B.F503225@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:52:27 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Ted, Hooo-boy... Let me see here. > So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one > more or less positive > --and neither one of these guys really > seems to understand what he's listening too -- I actually felt that both reviews exhibited a pretty significant understanding of the general area that you're operating in. Obviously the first one had a pretty jaded, sarcastic angle on it, but it came across to me as more of an issue with the "genre" (such as it is) of independent solo avant-guitar experimentalists than with you or your music personally. (He actually seemed to approve of what you're doing *in spite* of that element.) > or at least neither > one really seems to understand what caused the music to be > made in the first place (me). I think that's inevitable -- they weren't presented with "you," after all, but with one particular example of the fruits of your own musical work. For them (or anyone else) to have the same understanding of the material (and its origins) as the guy who single-handedly saw it from inception to execution isn't gonna happen. > Did I make a mistake in being rather > stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Did you want listeners to identify the material with any specific ideas/ambitions/concepts that you had in mind? Is this music "about" something in particular, and is knowing about that fundamental to people enjoying it, in your mind? Frank Gerace's band Dreamchild is a good exmaple. Their albums are very well-written and performed, and definitely stand on their own without any additional background. BUT... their music (and lyrics in particular) are so heavily based on specific (and often obscure) allusions to history and mythology that their background annotations are essential for getting the full meaning behind each tune (at least for an unschooled luddite like myself). > how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that > went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM > than about me. Was that a mistake? I have next to nothing about myself personally in my CD press kit; it's mostly about the album specifically, and what I was trying to accomplish with it conceptually. Even with several paragraphs of explanation, though, you never know how some people are going to react to it. (Example: one guy, to whom I had sent my in-depth treatise on the "why" of the CD, essentially said, "Hopefully one day LaFosse will leave this programmed jungle stuff behind and find some other musicians to make a really good album with." Never mind that such a suggestion completely misses the point of the record in the first place...) My advice? Approach any press you get, good or bad, with both an open mind and a grain of salt. Sometimes a review can shed some light onto a valid element of the work that the musician in question might not have considered. And sometimes it can totally misinterpret it. For my part, if there was a specific "thing" I wanted people to get, I probably wouldn't try and express it through abstract instrumental music. I personally am always intrigued by the different ways in which people react to the same music, but I try not to take commentary too seriously either way. And while I still haven't been able to spend the time with your CD that I want to, I've been enjoying the hell out of it! Take care, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17028; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:08:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: GIG Spam: Toronto, Canada: Software @ The Ambient Ping Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1202116755==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1202116755==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? on jan 8 for the first The Ambient Ping show. Info here: http://wwww.theambientping.com I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and computer sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. we are midi-synced on stage and improvise. plexus --============_-1202116755==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" GIG Spam: Toronto, Canada: Software @ The Ambient Ping
My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? on jan 8 for the first The Ambient Ping show. Info here:

http://wwww.theambientping.com

I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and computer sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. we are midi-synced on stage and improvise.

plexus

--============_-1202116755==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17185; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:19:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:19:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <51.16d2cbb0.2964d134@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:10:12 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_51.16d2cbb0.2964d134_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_51.16d2cbb0.2964d134_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 3:14:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, lucafeed@tin.it writes: > do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" exists). > luka.....99% of my music is self-indulgent, done for myself and its no challenge at all, in fact its a bunch-o-fun.....does this mean i dont exist?.....im a bit confused.....:)m --part1_51.16d2cbb0.2964d134_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 3:14:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, lucafeed@tin.it writes:


do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" exists).


luka.....99% of my music is self-indulgent, done for myself and its no challenge at all, in fact its a bunch-o-fun.....does this mean i dont exist?.....im a bit confused.....:)m --part1_51.16d2cbb0.2964d134_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 17:03:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18741; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:28:33 +0000 Subject: Ted's reviews... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>** what i see is that - - despite this person's trying hard not to like it (due to whatever personal reasons - - he seems to be quite tuned into the tech behind the disc - - probably a guitar player!) - - he was actually **affected** by it. that *is* important! ** the last bit about making you want to get out your guitar and e-bow, while seeming like a slam, may actually be great because it points to the listener being inspired to go and make music . . . also i think that it could be worse, it could say nothing about the music. contrast this with a review i got recently that lumped my cd "pomengranate" in with a bunch of "bass player" albums. it acted as if the album was supposed to be a showcase for my bass chops - - a solo vehicle for me in a blowing session - - where is really is four concerti written for other soloists (the disc is about my *writing*, not my playing) . . . <<< I'm with Stig on this one - I thought it was a pretty good review spoilt by some biases that the reviewer seems determined to apply against his better judgement... It's one of the perils of sending out review copies of CDs - some people just aren't going to get it... I had a weird thing with my solo album in that I got a few good reviews that rated it for being a 'bass' album, which like Stig is not what it's about at all - do Sax players make sax music? It's just music, not a showcase, but there's no telling some people... I thought by including no slapping or tapping, I'd avoid that one, but still... So, again I'd concur with Stig, use the quotable bits, and don't worry to much about the rest... just dread the day when a review arrives where the guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 17:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18624; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1202115478==_ma============" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:30:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: GIG Spam: Toronto, Canada: Software @ The Ambient Ping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1202115478==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? on jan 8 for the >first The Ambient Ping show. Info here: > >http://wwww.theambientping.com > >I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and computer >sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. we are midi-synced >on stage and improvise. > >plexus Good luck ... wish I could be there ... (And at first glance, I read that as "The Ambient Pig" ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * --============_-1202115478==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? on jan 8 for the first The Ambient Ping show. Info here: http://wwww.theambientping.com I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and computer sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. we are midi-synced on stage and improvise. plexus Good luck ... wish I could be there ... (And at first glance, I read that as "The Ambient Pig" ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * --============_-1202115478==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 17:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22222; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:05:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:05:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c193d8$4e1c6fb0$6187abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <51.16d2cbb0.2964d134@aol.com> Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:56:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C193E0.AF575C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C193E0.AF575C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" = exists). >luka.....99% of my music is self-indulgent, done for myself and its = no challenge at all, in fact its a bunch-o-fun.....does this mean i dont = exist?.....im a bit >confused.....:)m=20 Hi Michael, sorry, please remember english isn't my mother language. I just wanted to tell that I feel the most difficult people to satisfy = is me. And saying about that "you", it means (or, I intended it to mean) that = this sentence is true wether you are not too much self indulgent with = yourself. Being indulgent sometimes can mean to be very egoistic. (I am sure = this is not your case, I think I've been on this list for maybe 4 years = now and I have had the chance to get a lot out of you) It's pretty difficult to make things sound correct in english for me. Sorry for those who get mad trying to translate my bad english... it = took months for me to understand what "imho" or "btw" were meaning ;-)) I try to make my part using the most correct language I can, sometimes = I even don't reply to discussions because I feel explaining clearly my = opinion would be too difficult or could, and this is one case, be source = of misunderstandings. Talking about pots, delays, loops, digital conversion,... is much = simpler Anyway, Videodrome is a great movie. ciao a tutti, luca ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C193E0.AF575C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge = (if=20 "you" exists).

>luka.....99% of my music is self-indulgent, done for = myself and=20 its no challenge at all, in fact its a bunch-o-fun.....does this mean = i dont=20 exist?.....im a bit >confused.....:)m
 
Hi Michael, sorry, please remember english isn't my mother=20 language.
I just wanted to tell that I feel the most difficult people to = satisfy is=20 me.
And saying about that "you", it means (or, I intended it to mean) = that=20 this sentence is true wether you are not too much self indulgent with=20 yourself.
Being indulgent sometimes can mean to be very egoistic. (I am = sure this=20 is not your case, I think I've been on this list for maybe 4 years now = and I=20 have had the chance to get a lot out of you)
It's pretty difficult to make things sound correct in = english for=20 me.
 
Sorry for those who get mad trying to translate my bad english... = it took=20 months for me to understand what "imho" or "btw" were meaning = ;-))
I try to make my part using the most correct language I can, = sometimes I=20 even don't reply to discussions because I feel explaining clearly my = opinion=20 would be too difficult or could, and this is one case, be source of=20 misunderstandings.
Talking about pots, delays, loops, digital conversion,... is much = simpler
 
Anyway, Videodrome is a great movie.
 
ciao a tutti,
luca
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C193E0.AF575C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 17:49:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23766; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:26:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:26:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080489B@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:16:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193DB.2EA7E300" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193DB.2EA7E300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" just dread the day when a review arrives where the guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) ** right! i totally agree with steve (and not just 'cause he agreed with me). stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193DB.2EA7E300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Ted's reviews...

 just dread the day when a review arrives where the
guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o)


** right! i totally agree with steve (and not just 'cause he agreed with me).

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193DB.2EA7E300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:08:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25020; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:44:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:44:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C338ADB.181671C5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:34:11 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not heard your album (are there any mp3 samples up?) but any review that says "I was put in mind of the Cronenberg flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a disintegrating future, of some kind of technological breakdown is communicated in these tunes so successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't a piece of film that goes with them." is a good review in my book! I bet Cronenberg spent way more time making Videodrome (I modern schlock/masterpiece IMO) than you did on your album, and you got the same result! Goody for you. Sounds like this guy is a bitter musician from the "Hey! I've played that in my bedroom before!" statement. He probably has and never got around to producing it into an album. The way gear is going, I doubt there will be much music not produced in someone's bedroom IN THE FUTURE. Good luck and keep on looping. Mark KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Just to show some evidence of fairness and that I am just > as likely to deflate my own party balloon as blow it up. I > thought it might be instructive to share a recent negative > review my CD has gotten. I've passed along a few of the > positive ones from time to time (as I have been pretty > darned pleased to get them) and thought I'd distribute > this one as well. It's really quite funny in it's own way. And > besides, even bad publicity is still publicity -- or so they say. > > Anyway, I have a question for everybody at the bottom of > all of this (should you get there). I'm also including a > "translation" of another review I got from a publication > in Lithuania a while back. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to > the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'd > sound like Ted Killian. Despite the lofty philosophical > statement that graces the sleeve of Flux Aeterna (adorned > with mathematical symbols, natch), this is an album that > wants only to stand in front of an amp stack and wail, > albeit in a slightly mechanical, dystopian way. > > The tunes on this disc are all vaguely soundtrackesque. > For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg > flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a > disintegrating future, of some kind of technological > breakdown is communicated in these tunes so > successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't > a piece of film that goes with them. "Leaving Medford" > is an edgy, angry piece of work, leaving no doubt in the > listener's mind that the future's fucked, and Ted's here > with his newscasting guitar to tell you all about it. > "Cauterant Baptism", on the other hand, uses the > depressive tone to rock out: it begins with some loose > space-cowboy noodling, then turns into a late-Bowie > toned behemoth, with a stomping bassline and searing > guitar that threaten to rip off your ears. Not as truly > astringent as other guitar-wielding noiseniks, Killian > seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside > his world-o'-shred. While this makes you crave more > spark in his playing --occasionally, it can sound more > like he's practicing for the real deal more than experiencing > it -- it's satisfying to have something to hold on to amid the > sonic excursions. > > The propensity for albums like Flux Aeterna to devolve into > nothing more than shredwank isn't entirely sidestepped > here -- there are a couple of moments when one imagines > that Ted's giving Steve Vai a run for his gurning-while-fretboard- > whizzing money -- but thankfully, these instances of cringe > aren't too long-lived when they occur. The weakness with > ambient/experimental guitar tunes is that they can fall > into the "Hey! I've played that in my bedroom before!" trap. > Whether this is a welcome familiarity in the world of > anonymous rock, or merely annoying when you've forked > over money for the disc, is a personal call, but let's just say > that if it's the latter, you might want to give this disc a miss. > That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good ideas > here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself digging > out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin. > > Luke Martin, http://www.splendidezine.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > A few months ago I got a review from a Lithuanian print > magazine called "Tango" and asked the list if anybody new > a translator. Well, I finally got a translation on my own from an > online outfit. I am still not sure the translation is quite right > because it sounds so darned academic, but here goes... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > Linas, Tango Magazine, Lithuania, October, 2001 > > I did not manage to find any additional information on this > musician, so material received previously from pfMENTUM > is the only context in which it is possible to present this > musician and his new work. pfMENTUM is a small record > label based in California and specializing in modern > experimental and extemporaneous music. Tango has > reviewed records of this firm before. From the small > amount of given works, it is possible to make conclusions > and suppose that this work, “Flux Aeterna,â€* fits into a frame > of aesthetics introduced by this publisher on other occasions. > Like the previous records, it is issued in unique and unusual > packing (even in a box), like the musical concepts it contains, > along with the cryptic motto: "Change equals hope. Hope > equals change." > > It's obvious, that Ted Killian is a musician who has grown > and matured under the influence of the school of effects > (guitar of the seventies and eighties) especially from the > peripheral aesthetic point of view of repetitive minimalism, > plus an extensive musical heritage -- without which musical > (not only guitars) thinking and interpretation would be > impossible -- in electro/acoustic music and urbanized blues. > But, such a generalized set of references certainly doesn't > explain anything to us. Listening to the given work, I cannot > escape being reminded of one persistent idea: It is clear > that not one popular band has survived the speeding > 50-year long evolution of the electric guitar. > > Nonetheless, it is natural that different crumbs of this history > can be found in the vocabulary of any musician who knows > it from experience rather than from second hand. Among > these fashionable musicians we can also rank Ted Killian -- > who's music is vigorous and mysterious with wide and > multi-channeled overlappings designed around electronic > musical effects. Here one can reference such luminaries as > Frank Zappa, Carlos Santana, Robert Fripp and Glenn Branca. > > There is distortion, overloaded "phasing", different from the > electronic effects approaches that which the former bluesmen > have passed on to us, and their aesthetic marks (also well > known: progressive chords and dynamism). Add "Fripertonic" > overlappings of sounds and feedback, a minimized figure of > a rhythm and "ostinatic" motifs and you have a formula for the > next plan. All this is easily read, without claims and is a result > of "converging" music with original Ted Killian characteristics > and an exacting feeling of the form --all-in-all, worthy of note -- > and I actually recommend listening to this modern guitar music. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one > more or less positive --and neither one of these guys really > seems to understand what he's listening too -- or at least neither > one really seems to understand what caused the music to be > made in the first place (me). Did I make a mistake in being rather > stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really > matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue > to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. > > Given the recent thread concerning the idea that we might > (or might not) take some time to explain ourselves and our > techniques and/or concepts to an audience before a performance > how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that > went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM > than about me. Was that a mistake? It's not the reviewer's fault > that I'm a somewhat unknown entity. But I'm also neither a wannabe > bedroom shredmeister nor an academically trained composer/ > musical philosopher. Both are way off from my point of view... > and pretty substantially to boot. Is this sort of thing unavoidable? > > Anywho, thanks for your time. > > Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25976; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:56:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:56:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <152.6a42eda.2964e76e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:45:02 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ted, post-contextually, this sounds like it'd be a good quote for your bio/CV: >> If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to >> the accompaniment of loops....., >> it'd >> sound like Ted Killian. (NB: the placement of the 5 dots that 'displace' his original statement). dude, daoud t / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:25:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27478; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:01:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:01:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.20990412.2964e90b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:51:55 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5_hvLC.A.SRG.b84M8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sl (?) said: >just dread the day when a review arrives where the >guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) or: ..... when the reviewer doesn't 'get it' (whatever that means), but thinks it's wonderful. or: ..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't be bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the disc for free --- after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop & *trades* it for something else..... as if it was his/her property, to begin with. (for more info on that last subject, please visit any underpaid dj at most radio-stations in in america). *-) best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27927; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:06:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:06:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c193e1$60c60780$1461f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201021752.MAA27305@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Looping gigs in the SF Bay Area Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:01:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Blue Wolf wrote: "I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances happening useing looping techonology?" Hi, Blue, The looping community down in the Santa Cruz area has been very, very active: I have produced a dozen Loop-centric festivals here and in Big Sur, Mountain View, Berekely and Sacramento. I have been trying for the longest time to try to get someone in San Francisco interested in producing the First San Francisco Looping Festival but San Francisco has run into the same Dot-Com Real Estate nightmare that we have down here and it is hard to find a venue to support such a festival. I haven't given up, but maybe you should consider producing a festival yourself. I would be more than happy to advise you on how to do it. Los Angeles has had their first and New York City is moving, slowly (and I hope surely) towards their first. paranthetical aside: Did the Midwest Looping Festival come off or is it still in the works? If you are interested in traveling south (Santa Cruz = 1 1/2 hours drive, San Jose = 1 hour drive). Steve Lawson and I will be performing solo looping sets and a duet improvisational show at: The CAYUGA VAULT, Santa Cruz, California (corner of Cayuga and Soquel Avenue) Sunday, January 13th 8 p.m. (10$ suggested donation) (with openers, ORBIS) ESPRESSON GARDEN, San Jose, California (Bascome Avenue near the hospital) Monday, January 14th 8 p.m. Come on down and say hi!!!! yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.poo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:52:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29859; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:29:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:29:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9.211b5a57.2964f024@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:22:12 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.211b5a57.2964f024_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.211b5a57.2964f024_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 4:30:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > use the quotable bits absolutly.....and you get to pick them.....:)m --part1_9.211b5a57.2964f024_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 4:30:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


use the quotable bits


absolutly.....and you get to pick them.....:)m --part1_9.211b5a57.2964f024_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30359; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:26:34 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b9.1960b557.2964f12a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b9.1960b557.2964f12a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 4:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, lucafeed@tin.it writes: > please remember english isn't my mother language. luca.....forgive me for i am but a goof.....:)m --part1_b9.1960b557.2964f12a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 4:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, lucafeed@tin.it writes:


please remember english isn't my mother language.


luca.....forgive me for i am but a goof.....:)m
 --part1_b9.1960b557.2964f12a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30821; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:38:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:38:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102182604.00a740e0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:27:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 In-Reply-To: <152.6a42eda.2964e76e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:45 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >(NB: the placement of the 5 dots that 'displace' his original statement). But let us not forget the true king of the ellipsis...... Michael........ Klobuchar! :) -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:06:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31218; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:41:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:41:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:33:53 EST Subject: Re: Looping gigs in the SF Bay Area To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <7qgoGD.A.KeH.rj5M8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 5:59:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.poo > loop.poo.....wait a second......yeah, whats up with the NY and mid-west loop fests?.....i seem to remember something about feb-march and the way time flies for me it will be july next week.....yikes.....:)m --part1_157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 5:59:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


yours,  Rick Walker (aka, Loop.poo


loop.poo.....wait a second......yeah, whats up with the NY and mid-west loop fests?.....i seem to remember something about feb-march and the way time flies for me it will be july next week.....yikes.....:)m --part1_157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:11:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31545; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:47:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:47:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080489C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:38:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193E6.98560560" Resent-Message-ID: <4j3gK.A.1kH.8p5M8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193E6.98560560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't be bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the disc for free --- after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop & *trades* it for something else..... ** lol - - this is SO true. i used to live next door to a fairly big crit in the l.a. alt-press world. this guy got TONS of lps every week/month. most he never listened to (lots of hair metal, etc.); he would just jump down to rhino records, do the massive trade-in (100 or so discs every couple of months) and get some stuff that he liked (usually some old chess records stuff). of course, the record corps were just as at fault, too - - they sent stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the stuff they sent (this guy was a total punk and roots guy). stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193E6.98560560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Ted's reviews...

..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't g= et it', but couldn't be
bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the d= isc for free ---
after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop = & *trades* it for
something else.....


** lol - - this is SO true. i used to live next door to a= fairly big crit in the l.a. alt-press world. this guy got TONS of lps ever= y week/month. most he never listened to (lots of hair metal, etc.); he woul= d just jump down to rhino records, do the massive trade-in (100 or so discs= every couple of months) and get some stuff that he liked (usually some old= chess records stuff). of course, the record corps were just as at fault, t= oo - - they sent stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the stuff th= ey sent (this guy was a total punk and roots guy).


stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193E6.98560560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32198; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:57:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:57:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020102235121.14505.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200201021752.MAA27305@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Question: Can you make a Binaural mic set up > easily? Is it significantly > more complicated than sticking condenser mics > into the ears of a dummy head? > > > Carl Jacobson > Director of Marketing Communications Hi Carl, You might be interested in one of the responses I got to my question from the ambient@hyperreal.org list: "For mics I use these Shure Sound Professional binaural mics which are excellent for delicate recordings. But due to the mics being very sensitive, I've occasionally have problems with wind noise. Ritchie" Thanks for your response. And thanks to everyone who has sent me ideas and suggestions related to making field recordings. I can't wait to dive into this! Mary Jane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:33:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01979; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C339F16.7CB0646F@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:00:21 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Trans-continental LA Gig Spam and schedule addendum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello folk, Steve Lawson was kind enough to invite me to join him on the bill for his gig at the Knitting Factory this upcoming Monday (the 7th), and I'm delighted to report the addition is now confirmed. According to the Knit website, the show is now slated to begin at 8:00 PM (an hour later than was previously reported, I believe). It's in the Alterknit Lounge; cover is $7.00. Hope to see some of you there, and thanks again to Mr. Lawson for his generosity! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:37:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02622; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:13:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:13:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:06:47 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 1/2/02 11:30:28 AM, bobdog@pseudobuddha.com writes: >well ted, the word "suck" didn't appear in either review so they can't >be that bad. In a message dated 1/2/02 2:19:24 PM, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: >just dread the day when a review arrives where the >guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) In a message dated 1/2/02 1:30:40 PM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >I'm with Stig on this one - I thought it was a pretty good review spoilt >by some biases that the reviewer seems determined to apply against >his better judgement... I guess you're right. I should count my blessings. I hope I didn't come off as whiny and self-pitiful. I was just wondering how other folks deal with this sort of thing mostly. In a message dated 1/2/02 10:38:31 AM, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: >i actually use reviews like this in my press pieces because they actually >do give the idea of what the music is - - *as seen through the eyes of the >reviewer* - - which means that the reviewer is wearing his/her biases on >his/her sleeve. > >(one of my favorite reviews of one of my discs was saying that you shouldn't >listen to it by yourself in a dark house. the reviewer didn't like the >disc, but it sure *did* something to him.) > >also consider that there are some great descriptors in here that would >make me intrigued by your project: Well, perhaps your right again. I really didn't think about it that way (funny thing, since since my day job is in advertising/marketing). >** the last bit about making you want to get out your guitar and e-bow, >while seeming like a slam, may actually be great because it points to the >listener being inspired to go and make music . . . Okay, okay. Group hugs al around! My faith in myself (and in humanity in general) has been restored. :-) I guess what kind of bothered me to begin with about the "bad" review was the "Steve Vai" reference. I'm not especially a fan of Mr. Vai but I do respect his prodigious abilities. I find the idea of being compaired to him to be a little comical. My own native abilities in regard to fretwork are pretty doggone meager to say the least. I'd say that my playing is probably only slightly more interesting to WATCH than the development of refridgerator mold. It sounds a lot speedier that it is. And, as for "gurning," I am reminded of a quip shared here a week or so ago about David Gilmour's stage presence behind a lap steel being comparable to that of an average lathe opperator. That's something that could honestly be said about me in all likelyhood. Like Leo Kottke I have to remind myself to keep my lips together and not drool all over my instrument. :-) >for what it is worth, your stuff makes me want to grab my guitar >as well, and i think that is pretty cool. It is inspired music and i >listen to it often (via mp3's). Thanks! I guess compliments don't get any better than that. In a message dated 1/2/02 12:15:11 PM, lucafeed@tin.it writes: >Well, if I had received this line, I would have been really proud. >Videodrome is (altought a little "old viewed") a very, very deep movie. I guess I ought to check it out. I've heard of it before but I've never viewed it. >Do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" exists). I pretty much do. Like the visual art I also do (and have done for a number of decades now). Both expressions are extensions of "who I am" in my own internal dialog with myself. In a message dated 1/2/02 12:55:55 PM, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: >> or at least neither one really seems to understand >> what caused the music to be made in the first place (me). > >I think that's inevitable -- they weren't presented with "you," after >all, but with one particular example of the fruits of your own musical >work. For them (or anyone else) to have the same understanding of the >material (and its origins) as the guy who single-handedly saw it from >inception to execution isn't gonna happen. My expectations are high, perhaps too high. Critisism accepted. >> Did I make a mistake in being rather >> stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? > >Did you want listeners to identify the material with any specific >ideas/ambitions/concepts that you had in mind? Is this music "about" >something in particular, and is knowing about that fundamental to people >enjoying it, in your mind? Not especially. Each piece may have had a context or a set of references in my own mind but I have no expectation that others will do anything other than provide their own. That's one of the beautiful things about art. >My advice? Approach any press you get, good or bad, with both an open >mind and a grain of salt. Advice taken. Thanks everybody. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03009; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:16:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:16:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080489D@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A negative review for 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:09:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193EA.DDCAF2A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193EA.DDCAF2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But let us not forget the true king of the ellipsis...... Michael........ Klobuchar! :) ** the king of the ellipsis is l-f celine. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193EA.DDCAF2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: A negative review for 2002

But let us not forget the true king of the ellipsis...... Michael........
Klobuchar! :)


** the king of the ellipsis is l-f celine.

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193EA.DDCAF2A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03884; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:26:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:26:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <10e.a27d0b9.2964fd9c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:19:40 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT, In a message dated 1/2/02 2:53:38 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >or: >..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't >be bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the disc for free --- >after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop & *trades* it for >something else..... as if it was his/her property, to begin with. >(for more info on that last subject, please visit any underpaid dj at most >radio-stations in in america). More than once already I've encountered a reference to my CD in a list of items for sale at ebay. Go figure. I hadn't sold very many of 'em so far at the time (I still haven't) So I have to imagine it was one of the promos. Ha! So it goes.... Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:04:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05019; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:40:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:40:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.98e9433.296500e1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:33:37 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11e.98e9433.296500e1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11e.98e9433.296500e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 7:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > ** the king of the ellipsis is l-f celine. > > stig.....you're so wright.....that Klochubar has been a long time pretender to the crown.....off with his head!.....:)m --part1_11e.98e9433.296500e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 7:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


** the king of the ellipsis is l-f celine.



stig.....you're so wright.....that Klochubar has been a long time pretender to the crown.....off with his head!.....:)m --part1_11e.98e9433.296500e1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06340; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:53:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:53:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: making field recordings Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should check out the DSM mics: www.sonicstudios.com Used these for field, concert and currently for drum overheads. Fantastic response and dimensionality, such that it still makes me jump (eg there's a car coming through my wall!) when I hear things recorded on them, as they reproduce the 3d space so well. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: making field recordings > > > I've been pretty happy with some recordings I did with my > Portable Minidisc > player and a SONY stereo condenser mic (sorry can't remember the model). I > used it three years ago to do some field recordings of the Harp Seal herd > off the coast of Prince Edward Island. It held up surprisingly well > considering the arctic conditions (-40 F out on the frozen ocean), the > display was not reliable at that temp, but the recordings came out fine. I > probably could have used a wind shield of some sort, but > listening back now, > I like the sound of the wind. I also managed to get a fairly interesting > recording of helicopter blades starting up in stereo from right > below them. > > If money were not an object, I would like to have a Binaural mic > set up and > a DAT player. > > Question: Can you make a Binaural mic set up easily? Is it significantly > more complicated than sticking condenser mics into the ears of a > dummy head? > > > Carl Jacobson > Director of Marketing Communications > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Jane Adams [mailto:maverickmary@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:06 PM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: making field recordings > > Hi, > > I'm curious to know if any of you make field > recordings. What kind of portable/remote > equipment do you use? Special mikes? Suggested > techniques? Helpful books or web sites for more > info? > > Thanks! > > Mary Jane > > (ps: posted this question to the > ambient@hyperreal list also, so pardon if you get > this twice.) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:18:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06589; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:54:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:54:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <33.20395b28.2965044c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:48:12 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stigwitz, >of course, the record corps were just as at fault, too - - they sent >stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the stuff they sent (this >guy was a total punk and roots guy). right --- they generally can't be bothered to stop & figger-out just *whom* might actually listen to said unsolicited disc..... dt / splammybell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:18:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06447; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:53:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:53:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping gigs in the SF Bay Area Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:46:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2002 00:46:04.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[06419540:01C193F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, >Steve Lawson and I will be performing solo >looping sets and a duet improvisational show at: >(SNIP) >ESPRESSON GARDEN, San Jose, California (Bascome Avenue near the >hospital) >Monday, January 14th 8 p.m. > >Come on down and say hi!!!! > >yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.poo > I will definitely try to make it to the gig on the 14th - was planning to go hear Steve and knowing this will make it double worthwhile. It would be nice to meet some LD folk in person as up to now I've been no more than a relatively anonymous qwertybot on this list...;-) Best, Nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06837; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:58:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:58:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <168.68ffdbe.29650520@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:51:44 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ted, >So it goes.... indeed! 8-) dt / splonnagel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08662; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:05:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:05:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:57:24 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where do I get a copy? I've gotta hear this!!! (See what critical acclaim can do for you?) I'm serious, I really want to check it out :-) E.D. ____________________________________________ Telepathy Records telepathyrecords.com ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08798; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:06:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:06:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.143] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater- universal power and feedback?? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:32:48 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2002 00:58:37.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[C712BD20:01C193F1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent. Thanks alot for your help Nic. And yeah, it was the "Switching between two loops" which I was curious about. It'd probably come in handy, the instant kill when changing loops. There's always workarounds I guess if I do want feedback into the new loop. THanks again, Ritchie http://ninja.at/play ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nic Roozeboom" > > >And one thing that I'm curious about (which I couldn't find browsing thru > >the archives) is: > >if I'm using Loop 1 for instance with a large feedback time; when I change > >to Loop 2, does Loop 1 die instantly or does the feedback continue once > >Loop > >2 comences? Or can you choose between the two options? > > Switching between two loops (as Repeater defines them) has immediate effect > - all operations on the first loop are abandoned upon switching, and you > start with a clean slate on loop #2. Loop #1 does remain intact for later > (immediate) recall and further use. > > However, it's also a multi-track device, not sure if that's where you're > headed - you can switch tracks within the same loop. Feedback/overdub on the > new track would commence while the other track still runs along without > modification. > > Sorry if I perhaps misunderstood - hope this helps. I have had this device > for a few days and I'm loving it. > > Nic > > >Thanks for any help, > >RItchie > >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: > >http://hacked.at/facehacker > >http://www.mp3.com/rdomain > >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10006; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:24:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:24:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Wormz... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:18:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c193f4$a2256eb0$fe78a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20020101160953.A2523@ratamacue.sounding.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthew, > I've been pondering these sorts of questions for quite some > time, as I've > been very interested (and involved) in the role of improvisation and > spontaneous music making in electronica - specifically > *danceable* electronica. could you please tell us (me) a bit more about your activities in "improvised dance music" ? (Background: my first "looping" performance ever was when I combined the possibilities of several newly acquired pieces of equipment - amongst them a Quasimidi Sirius, a DL4, a Headrush and an electric bass guitar. While a majority of this performance was quite "danceable", this was entirely due to the DnB-style patterns repeated (or looped, if you will) by my Sirius. The looping, on the other hand, focused on the more "experimental" parts of the performance, save for one number where I combined an improvised theme (soprano sax) with the "out chorus" of my trombone solo. On the other hand, I recently started a group not necessarily involved in looping but dedicated to "improvised dance music". Because we do not yet live up to our full looping possibilities (like e.g. feeding drum mikes into my console with the Repeater), and also because we are a fairly large ensemble (compromising one drummer, guitar player, drum/bass player, keyboard player and mhs for keys, sax and additional bass), my looping has been down to a minimum so far. Yet the possibilities of the looping stuff struck the other members (all without looping experience on their side) as fascinating - like playing a bass riff "live" to the stuff drums/keys play, then looping this bass riff and then building the entire "ensemble sound" around this loop. When it comes to audience reactions (in our few performances so far, all of which took place at parties, where the audience didn't even expect a live act, and had been awaiting an evening of a DJ playing contemporary dance music), the little pieces of looping I did add went largely unnoticed by the audience. This is partially due to the fact that most of the audience were there to dance, not to watch the group, partially because we usually play up, as the say in the trade, "a storm" with our five-piece band, similair to the intensity of the Weather Report live performances (see 8:30). An eye catcher and "hey, I'm looping" trick I pulled with genuine success is to create a short "loop" (more of a modulated delay, like the DL4s sweep echo set to full feedback) at the end of a synth solo, then walk out onto the dancefloor and groove away while the rest of the group plays around the sonic mayhem. This does also work for, say, bass or keyboard riffs, but only if no one else is playing keys or bass at the same time, and only if it is clear for the audience that you did in fact play the riff yourself from the beginning (rather than trigger a prerecorded sample). This is not always easy, but on the other hand, as long as the audience enjoys what we are doing, it doesn't really matter whether they know (or care) if I'm looping live or playing samples - same goes for the fact that our material is in fact nearly completely improvised, a feat that goes unnoticed by most of the audience). Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10925; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:34:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:34:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080489E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:27:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193F5.C19395F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193F5.C19395F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** and the "work and money" they could save by doing a little market research, becomes promo copy recoupable monies that the artist(s) owe!!!! (read wasted money all the way around) gotta love it. stig stigwitz, >of course, the record corps were just as at fault, too - - they sent >stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the stuff they sent (this >guy was a total punk and roots guy). right --- they generally can't be bothered to stop & figger-out just *whom* might actually listen to said unsolicited disc..... dt / splammybell Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. 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** and the "work and money" they could save by = doing a little market research, becomes promo copy recoupable monies that t= he artist(s) owe!!!! (read wasted money all the way around)

gotta love it.

stig


stigwitz,
>of course, the record corps were just as at fault, t= oo - - they sent
>stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the st= uff they sent (this
>guy was a total punk and roots guy).
right --- they generally can't be bothered to stop &= figger-out just *whom*
might actually listen to said unsolicited disc.....
dt / splammybell



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193F5.C19395F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 21:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11587; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:42:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:42:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:35:32 -0800 Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any review that generates a soundbite like this is to be treasured. I've got glowing reviews that aren't as quotable. I'd suggest putting this on ALL your upcoming posters and ads, in big bold print: "Leaving Medford" is an edgy, angry piece of work, leaving no doubt in the listener's mind that the future's fucked, and Ted's here with his newscasting guitar to tell you all about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 21:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14913; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:24:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:24:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <54.20a0cdaa.2965193e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:17:34 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com E.D. In a message dated 1/2/02 4:59:09 PM, elio@telepathyrecords.com writes: >Where do I get a copy? I've gotta hear this!!! > >(See what critical acclaim can do for you?) > >I'm serious, I really want to check it out :-) Well, that is indeed very kind of you! www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html Thanks, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 01:09:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27218; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:45:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:45:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c1941a$1813dce0$6c54e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: GIG Spam: Toronto, Canada: Software @ The Ambient Ping Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:47:13 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? >> on jan 8 for the first The Ambient Ping show. Info here: >> http://www.theambientping.com >> I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and >> computer sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. >> we are midi-synced on stage and improvise. >> plexus > > Good luck ... wish I could be there ... (And at first glance, I read that as "The Ambient Pig" ...) > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * Hey - That could be the new mascot! Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 01:30:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29312; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:06:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:06:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:02:12 -0800 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006901c1941c$2fbd1300$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, it's not that bad. just some extra shredwank from a self-absorbed reviewer who likes to hear himself talk. read many before. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: A negative review for 2002 > Hi all, > > Just to show some evidence of fairness and that I am just > as likely to deflate my own party balloon as blow it up. I > thought it might be instructive to share a recent negative > review my CD has gotten. I've passed along a few of the > positive ones from time to time (as I have been pretty > darned pleased to get them) and thought I'd distribute > this one as well. It's really quite funny in it's own way. And > besides, even bad publicity is still publicity -- or so they say. > > Anyway, I have a question for everybody at the bottom of > all of this (should you get there). I'm also including a > "translation" of another review I got from a publication > in Lithuania a while back. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -- > > If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to > the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'd > sound like Ted Killian. Despite the lofty philosophical > statement that graces the sleeve of Flux Aeterna (adorned > with mathematical symbols, natch), this is an album that > wants only to stand in front of an amp stack and wail, > albeit in a slightly mechanical, dystopian way. > > The tunes on this disc are all vaguely soundtrackesque. > For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg > flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a > disintegrating future, of some kind of technological > breakdown is communicated in these tunes so > successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't > a piece of film that goes with them. "Leaving Medford" > is an edgy, angry piece of work, leaving no doubt in the > listener's mind that the future's fucked, and Ted's here > with his newscasting guitar to tell you all about it. > "Cauterant Baptism", on the other hand, uses the > depressive tone to rock out: it begins with some loose > space-cowboy noodling, then turns into a late-Bowie > toned behemoth, with a stomping bassline and searing > guitar that threaten to rip off your ears. Not as truly > astringent as other guitar-wielding noiseniks, Killian > seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside > his world-o'-shred. While this makes you crave more > spark in his playing --occasionally, it can sound more > like he's practicing for the real deal more than experiencing > it -- it's satisfying to have something to hold on to amid the > sonic excursions. > > The propensity for albums like Flux Aeterna to devolve into > nothing more than shredwank isn't entirely sidestepped > here -- there are a couple of moments when one imagines > that Ted's giving Steve Vai a run for his gurning-while-fretboard- > whizzing money -- but thankfully, these instances of cringe > aren't too long-lived when they occur. The weakness with > ambient/experimental guitar tunes is that they can fall > into the "Hey! I've played that in my bedroom before!" trap. > Whether this is a welcome familiarity in the world of > anonymous rock, or merely annoying when you've forked > over money for the disc, is a personal call, but let's just say > that if it's the latter, you might want to give this disc a miss. > That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good ideas > here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself digging > out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin. > > Luke Martin, http://www.splendidezine.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -- > > A few months ago I got a review from a Lithuanian print > magazine called "Tango" and asked the list if anybody new > a translator. Well, I finally got a translation on my own from an > online outfit. I am still not sure the translation is quite right > because it sounds so darned academic, but here goes... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -- > > Linas, Tango Magazine, Lithuania, October, 2001 > > I did not manage to find any additional information on this > musician, so material received previously from pfMENTUM > is the only context in which it is possible to present this > musician and his new work. pfMENTUM is a small record > label based in California and specializing in modern > experimental and extemporaneous music. Tango has > reviewed records of this firm before. From the small > amount of given works, it is possible to make conclusions > and suppose that this work, “Flux Aeterna,†fits into a frame > of aesthetics introduced by this publisher on other occasions. > Like the previous records, it is issued in unique and unusual > packing (even in a box), like the musical concepts it contains, > along with the cryptic motto: "Change equals hope. Hope > equals change." > > It's obvious, that Ted Killian is a musician who has grown > and matured under the influence of the school of effects > (guitar of the seventies and eighties) especially from the > peripheral aesthetic point of view of repetitive minimalism, > plus an extensive musical heritage -- without which musical > (not only guitars) thinking and interpretation would be > impossible -- in electro/acoustic music and urbanized blues. > But, such a generalized set of references certainly doesn't > explain anything to us. Listening to the given work, I cannot > escape being reminded of one persistent idea: It is clear > that not one popular band has survived the speeding > 50-year long evolution of the electric guitar. > > Nonetheless, it is natural that different crumbs of this history > can be found in the vocabulary of any musician who knows > it from experience rather than from second hand. Among > these fashionable musicians we can also rank Ted Killian -- > who's music is vigorous and mysterious with wide and > multi-channeled overlappings designed around electronic > musical effects. Here one can reference such luminaries as > Frank Zappa, Carlos Santana, Robert Fripp and Glenn Branca. > > There is distortion, overloaded "phasing", different from the > electronic effects approaches that which the former bluesmen > have passed on to us, and their aesthetic marks (also well > known: progressive chords and dynamism). Add "Fripertonic" > overlappings of sounds and feedback, a minimized figure of > a rhythm and "ostinatic" motifs and you have a formula for the > next plan. All this is easily read, without claims and is a result > of "converging" music with original Ted Killian characteristics > and an exacting feeling of the form --all-in-all, worthy of note -- > and I actually recommend listening to this modern guitar music. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -- > > So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one > more or less positive --and neither one of these guys really > seems to understand what he's listening too -- or at least neither > one really seems to understand what caused the music to be > made in the first place (me). Did I make a mistake in being rather > stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really > matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue > to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. > > Given the recent thread concerning the idea that we might > (or might not) take some time to explain ourselves and our > techniques and/or concepts to an audience before a performance > how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that > went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM > than about me. Was that a mistake? It's not the reviewer's fault > that I'm a somewhat unknown entity. But I'm also neither a wannabe > bedroom shredmeister nor an academically trained composer/ > musical philosopher. Both are way off from my point of view... > and pretty substantially to boot. Is this sort of thing unavoidable? > > Anywho, thanks for your time. > > Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 02:16:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31575; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:51:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:45:34 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007201c19422$3ee6da40$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted begs the question... > So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one more or less positive --and neither one of these guys really seems to understand what he's listening too -- or at least neither one really seems to understand what caused the music to be made in the first place (me). Did I make a mistake in being rather stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. > Given the recent thread concerning the idea that we might (or might not) take some time to explain ourselves and our techniques and/or concepts to an audience before a performance how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM than about me. Was that a mistake? It's not the reviewer's fault that I'm a somewhat unknown entity. But I'm also neither a wannabe bedroom shredmeister nor an academically trained composer / musical philosopher. Both are way off from my point of view... and pretty substantially to boot. Is this sort of thing unavoidable? > Anywho, thanks for your time. > Ted Killian Hi Ted... I've lately become confused (mostly) by the lumping together of odd coalitions and factions around the bay area (and California). We've got the BA-NEWMUSE list members comprised of many Mills faculty and students, as well as a variety of real-time free-improv types. We've got the pfMENTUM crew with Jeff Kaiser, and his many friends such as Steuart Liebig and Nels Cline... While I dearly love many from each faction, it's sometimes hard to know where I fit into it all as well... It seems that rythym (groove-like) and melody (stated in anything other than either a radical-outburst-noiseattack) seems to imply old-school-wankerism in the player who commits these greivous errors. Dan Plonsey over on the BA-Newmuse list recently posted similar thoughts on complete free-improv and it's seeming narrow constraints. The rock vernacular has been quoted to death everywhere... selling hamburgers; in kid's movies and video games... it's a tough game trying to use good old electric guitar in it's more familiar sounding territory without creating a serious vernacular faux-paux; when what-was-extreme becomes commonplace, upping-the-ante seems to be necessary. Am I just hanging with the wrong crowd? Or am I REALLY old-school? There's a part of me that actually likes to play R and B, Gospel, Blues, Jazz, Rock, Punk, Folk, ambient-looped-Fripp-influenced drones... But I can nearly guarantee you that if you liberally quote from any of these genres, you're out to lunch at any of the regular new-unusual-experimental series which are probably closer to where we belong than any rock club, rave or jazz gig. I'd feel really terrible if the music I REALLY like to play managed to offend EVERYONE?! (This might be a great achievement, but nonetheless... a hard one to live with.) If I decided to apply to Mills, UCSD, Cal Arts, CCAC, CNMAT or Stanford myself, would I magically discontinue quoting these genres and become something new-fangled? I believe I'd still want to find some juice in that old bottle, and continue referencing... (probably at further expense to my credibility). I'm bothered by the impression that I've got to discard my roots to become accepted in those circles. Am I misunderstanding something here? I'm sure there are those who might comment on whether I really have anything to say musically and that may certainly be a valid, if not much appreciated viewpoint. This probably seems less about you Ted, than it is about me... but I think we're in similar territory and wondering how to land on both feet, and hang with our peers. How to reinvent without discarding has become the real crux of the biscuit. Oh yeah... looping (remember that?) within this framework has it's own myriad of pitfalls! Hey! And I also wanted to compliment you on your recent release somwhere in all of this... I'm off to walk the dog... Best to all in 2002! -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 02:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00939; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:04:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:04:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:57:10 -0800 Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201030630.BAA30753@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >** and the "work and money" they could save by doing a little market research, >becomes promo copy recoupable monies that the artist(s) owe!!!! (read wasted >money all the way around) Actually, there's little to no interest in the research. Promo CDs act as de facto payola for writers/DJs/hipsters who don't get much in the way of salary, but can count on a few hundred each month tax-free, courtesy of the local used CD store. In the same way that one of the attractive qualities of money is that it's universally accepted and transferable, so do promo CDs act as a non-monetary form of exchange within the music world. Each CD might as well be a $5 bill, with no income tax attached. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 03:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02380; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:40:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:40:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C340B5B.43D9@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:42:20 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max valentino wrote: (yer cd) has been in my cd ..... Thankyou..for the record,"BASSCAPES" was recorded w/a Digitech RP-12 and the(sometimes maligned) Boomerang. Looking forward to hearing you again.. Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 03:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02491; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:45:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:38:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Thread-Index: AcGUKZ7L4p93vA+3RSWbchJxMS3diA== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA02305 Resent-Message-ID: <2t-DhC.A.Uk.5pAN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Behringer looks great but I plan use my repeater with edrums and already have a complex mess of pedals on the floor. Any recommended midi controller pedals that are more sophisticated than the simple 3 button foot pedal but less so (or at least smaller) than the Behringer? A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option too. Suggestions? TIA -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Alan Barnard [mailto:alan@barnardesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Hi, I would recommend the Behringer FCB1010 for use with the Repeater. It can send controller messages as well as program changes. It also has 2 expression pedals which can be set to control the output volume on the 1/2 & 3/4 stereo pairs - very nice. 5/PCs, 2/CCs, Note ON (for tap tempo) and the expression pedals can all be stacked in each preset. Musician's Friend has them for $129.95. Alan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 06:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18169; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c19449$06a6c240$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP- keeps on ticking. Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:23:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19405.F8373700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <3cqu8D.A.kXE.L6DN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19405.F8373700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wanted to comment on something that happened at a gig Sat night- as = I was packing up I had my rack at the edge of the stage- about 2 feet = off the ground- when the drummer tipped it over and it tumbled to the = floor and onto it's face- 2 of the knobs felt a little different but the = unit works perfectly-=20 What have I learned? If you let it sit it will get buggy- but if you = take it out for regular exercise it keeps it's sanity and stays regular = too! Om and good night. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19405.F8373700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just wanted to comment on something = that happened=20 at a gig Sat night- as I was packing up I had my rack at the edge of the = stage-=20 about 2 feet off the ground- when the drummer tipped it over and it = tumbled to=20 the floor and onto it's face- 2 of the knobs felt a little different but = the=20 unit works perfectly-
 
What have I learned? If you let it sit = it will get=20 buggy- but if you take it out for regular exercise it keeps it's = sanity and=20 stays regular too!
 
Om and good night.
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19405.F8373700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 10:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29709; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:37:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <43.45ed013.2965c523@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:30:59 EST Subject: Re: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bill.wolf@ness-usa.com writes: >A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option >too. peavey pc1600, midiman surface 1, doepfer regelwerk, etc. (i use the peavey). best, dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 10:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29803; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:39:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:39:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:33:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, I tried out the Rolls Midibuddy before purchasing the Behringer. It is a very simple, but limited design. It has 10 buttons, numbered 0 through 9 and a pair of bank change buttons. To operate, tap a pair of numbers and it sends the corresponding program change. This gets you all of the basic commands such as start, stop, record, choose track, mute track, etc. Works fine for these basic functions. Unfortunately, it will not send controller commands which severely limits your options. You can get them for next to nothing on E-Bay. Hope this helps, Alan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wolf, Bill [mailto:bill.wolf@ness-usa.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? > > > The Behringer looks great but I plan use my repeater with edrums and > already have a complex mess of pedals on the floor. Any recommended > midi controller pedals that are more sophisticated than the simple 3 > button foot pedal but less so (or at least smaller) than the Behringer? > A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option > too. > > Suggestions? > > TIA > -Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Barnard [mailto:alan@barnardesign.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? > > > Hi, > > I would recommend the Behringer FCB1010 for use with the Repeater. It > can > send controller messages as well as program changes. It also has 2 > expression pedals which can be set to control the output volume on the > 1/2 & > 3/4 stereo pairs - very nice. 5/PCs, 2/CCs, Note ON (for tap tempo) and > the > expression pedals can all be stacked in each preset. Musician's Friend > has > them for $129.95. > > Alan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 12:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05987; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:47:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:47:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:41:07 -0800 Subject: Re: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you can use something that's hand controlled, why not operate the Repeater from the front panel? It's all there. My problem with the Repeater and MIDI is that there's no visual feed back for..things like feedback. I wish it would switch it's display so you can see where you are. Mark On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 11:38 PM, Wolf, Bill wrote: > The Behringer looks great but I plan use my repeater with edrums and > already have a complex mess of pedals on the floor. Any recommended > midi controller pedals that are more sophisticated than the simple 3 > button foot pedal but less so (or at least smaller) than the Behringer? > A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option > too. > > Suggestions? > > TIA > -Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Barnard [mailto:alan@barnardesign.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? > > > Hi, > > I would recommend the Behringer FCB1010 for use with the Repeater. It > can > send controller messages as well as program changes. It also has 2 > expression pedals which can be set to control the output volume on the > 1/2 & > 3/4 stereo pairs - very nice. 5/PCs, 2/CCs, Note ON (for tap tempo) and > the > expression pedals can all be stacked in each preset. Musician's Friend > has > them for $129.95. > > Alan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 14:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16633; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:08:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:08:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048A2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:35:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19485.61EBF760" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19485.61EBF760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, there's little to no interest in the research. Promo CDs act as de facto payola for writers/DJs/hipsters who don't get much in the way of salary, but can count on a few hundred each month tax-free, courtesy of the local used CD store. In the same way that one of the attractive qualities of money is that it's universally accepted and transferable, so do promo CDs act as a non-monetary form of exchange within the music world. Each CD might as well be a $5 bill, with no income tax attached. ** right and in the end the artists who sell any discs at all will have that sort of thing count as recoupable costs against what they should've made. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19485.61EBF760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Ted's reviews...

Actually, there's little to no interest in the research.&= nbsp; Promo CDs act as
de facto payola for writers/DJs/hipsters who don't get m= uch in the way of
salary, but can count on a few hundred each month tax-fr= ee, courtesy of the
local used CD store.  In the same way that one of t= he attractive qualities
of money is that it's universally accepted and transfera= ble, so do promo CDs
act as a non-monetary form of exchange within the music = world.  Each CD
might as well be a $5 bill, with no income tax attached.=

** right and in the end the artists who sell any discs at= all will have that sort of thing count as recoupable costs against what th= ey should've made.

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19485.61EBF760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 14:46:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17362; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <60.18e75853.296607d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:15:37 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_60.18e75853.296607d9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_60.18e75853.296607d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/02 1:45:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, biffoz@pacbell.net writes: > but I think > we're in similar territory and wondering how to land on both feet, and hang > with our peers are we talkin about "peer pressure" here?.....i have even been thinkin that if i were to show up and play at a NY or mid west loopfest i might be asked to leave (too much melody, not noisy enuf, old school guitar, he doesn't even use an e-bow, he's balder than me!).....i sometimes think, we think too much.....i went to a "sonic roulette" this past sunday, had no idea who these people were but figured that it was kinda like those oblique stratagie thingies mentioned before on LD, also keep in mind, i never leave my house other than going to work.....so i figured why not take a walk on the wild side and only took my rang-fender champ-alesis air fx (with its several synthy patches), no guitar.....it was a gas because these folks (10 year old guitar players, women (yikes) playing pianos, a bunch of very open minded people) were into the JOY and FUN of making music/noise/sound.....there is nothing i would like more than having my music critiqued (reviewed) and perhaps have what i do validated by my "peers" or otoh perhaps give up music and become a photographer but as i said to luca, my music is becoming more self-indulgent and i like it, if you dont, i will try to get over it.....many ideas to mull over these last few weeks on LD, i am very thankful to be included on this list.....:)m --part1_60.18e75853.296607d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/02 1:45:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, biffoz@pacbell.net writes:


but I think
we're in similar territory and wondering how to land on both feet, and hang
with our peers


are we talkin about "peer pressure" here?.....i have even been thinkin that if i were to show up and play at a NY or mid west loopfest i might be asked to leave (too much melody, not noisy enuf, old school guitar, he doesn't even use an e-bow, he's balder than me!).....i sometimes think, we think too much.....i went to a "sonic roulette" this past sunday, had no idea who these people were but figured that it was kinda like those oblique stratagie thingies mentioned before on LD, also keep in mind, i never leave my house other than going to work.....so i figured why not take a walk on the wild side and only took my rang-fender champ-alesis air fx (with its several synthy patches), no guitar.....it was a gas because these folks (10 year old guitar players, women (yikes) playing pianos, a bunch of very open minded people) were into the JOY and FUN of making music/noise/sound.....there is nothing i would like more than having my music critiqued (reviewed) and perhaps have what i do validated by my "peers" or otoh perhaps give up music and become a photographer but as i said to luca, my music is becoming more self-indulgent and i like it, if you dont, i will try to get over it.....many ideas to mull over these last few weeks on LD, i am very thankful to be included on this list.....:)m --part1_60.18e75853.296607d9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 15:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19073; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:57:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:57:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048A2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048A2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:51:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Actually, there's little to no interest in the research. Promo CDs act as >de facto payola for writers/DJs/hipsters who don't get much in the way of >salary, but can count on a few hundred each month tax-free, courtesy of the >local used CD store. In the same way that one of the attractive qualities >of money is that it's universally accepted and transferable, so do promo CDs >act as a non-monetary form of exchange within the music world. Each CD >might as well be a $5 bill, with no income tax attached. > >** right and in the end the artists who sell any discs at all will >have that sort of thing count as recoupable costs against what they >should've made. > >stig Yeah, ain't the music industry grand! I used to work at the local college radio station, as a jazz director, and also worked at a used record store, so I've seen this phenomenon from a few different angles. At the station, we'd get flooded by promos. We played strictly mainstream and avant garde jazz during the jazz programming, but the major labels would still Fedex us the new Kenny G. and Dave Koz discs overnight. We'd be continually pestered by radio reps for the crappiest labels, the really great indie labels could never afford to hire people to do radio promo. Unfortunately, the payola part of this doesn't work so well any more. Most record stores, at least around here, have gotten saturated by crap and aren't buying anything unknown anymore, especially from major labels. The book "Stiffed: A True Story of MCA, the Music Business and the Mob" is a really interesting read about this stuff, if you really want to see how sleazy it can be. I only wish I'd gotten in to radio in the '70's and early '80's when they were shipping packages of Coke in record sleeves to stations. Oh well :-) Another anecdote, while doing a web search on the Minus CD, I found it listed for sale used at a London store. I sent 3 promo copies to all of England, I wonder which it was. The funny thing was that the store listed it as "Rare Northwestern Prog/Psychedelia". Hey, I guess it was cool enough for them at least... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 15:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20799; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:12:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:12:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> References: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:56:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, i'd have to agree with you here... to upgrade the pod eprom, it's just 4 screws and something to pull the eprom out with...which interestingly enough...they provide you with if you purchase an upgrade chip. the fx modellers have the eprom stuck in there pretty damn far. you would have to remove the whole board from the unit. best, rich >There's upgrades for the POD things, >a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! >I just wish it had an adjustable fade! >and more time. >But i suppose for twice the money, >there's the repeater. > >So why am i typing this! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 15:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21686; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:32:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:32:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:25:35 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Miko! In a message dated 1/2/02 10:45:27 PM, biffoz@pacbell.net writes: >I've lately become confused (mostly) by the lumping together of odd >coalitions and factions around the bay area (and California). We've got >the BA-NEWMUSE list members comprised of many Mills faculty and students, >as well as a variety of real-time free-improv types. We've got the pfMENTUM >crew with Jeff Kaiser, and his many friends such as Steuart Liebig and Nels >Cline ... While I dearly love many from each faction, it's sometimes hard >to know where I fit into it all as well... I'm a bit confused too. Jeff and I both sort of began our current musical trajectories together in Southern California...ah...er... mumble mumble umpity years ago. In fact, via a mutual friend of ours he sort of "discovered" me and pushed me out into the spotlight (actually repeatedly, 'til I became comfortable doing it myself). I owe so much to Jeff and consider him a great life-time friend. But I really don't totally fit into his/their program either. I'm not a trained musician with multiple advanced degrees like he is. I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place. I really find myself out of my depth in such company. My only option is to resolutely be "me" musically/artistically and to try not to talk about it too much if I can. I AM relatively well educated, but my family background is very blue collar and very decidedly anti-intellectual. Maybe this is the source if my own internal conflict and confusion to some degree. >It seems that rhythm (groove-like) and melody (stated in anything other than >either a radical-outburst-noiseattack) seems to imply old-school-wankerism >in the player who commits these greivous errors. Dan Plonsey over on the >BA-Newmuse list recently posted similar thoughts on complete free-improv >and it's seeming narrow constraints. The rock vernacular has been quoted to >death everywhere... selling hamburgers; in kid's movies and video games... >it's a tough game trying to use good old electric guitar in it's more familiar >sounding territory without creating a serious vernacular faux-paux; when >what-was-extreme becomes commonplace, upping-the-ante seems to be >necessary. Well, it's a funny thing. You find allies in the oddest places. The tracks on my CD that actually have any sort of rhythmic "groove" were not intended for release. The CD was recorded during two 4-hour recording sessions on two consecutive days. I sort of get the "jitters" in a recording situation (more so than on stage). And the 'pieces" in question were meant to be warm-up exercises in order to get the fingers working and have a little musical "fun" in the process ... to loosen up in other words (and to exorcise any rock guitar cliche's from the system while I was at it). Well, these things got recorded anyway. And Jeff, who is one of those folks who seems to conspicuously avoid rhythm and melody at almost all costs, is the one who insisted on including them on the CD. Go figure. It goes to show that you just never know. >Am I just hanging with the wrong crowd? Or am I REALLY old-school? There's a >part of me that actually likes to play R and B, Gospel, Blues, Jazz, Rock, >Punk, Folk, ambient-looped-Fripp-influenced drones... But I can nearly >guarantee you that if you liberally quote from any of these genres, you're >out to lunch at any of the regular new-unusual-experimental series which are >probably closer to where we belong than any rock club, rave or jazz gig. I'd >feel really terrible if the music I REALLY like to play managed to offend >EVERYONE?! (This might be a great achievement, but nonetheless... a hard one >to live with.) Well, I began my own musical life as sort of an eccentric, electric Leo Kottke wannabe if you can believe it. That's still the sort of thing I play around the wife and kids at home (the technical fallout of which is that I still play with metal fingerpicks and bizarre tunings -- even when I'm being Mr. Avant Noismaker). I love all sorts of music and listen to a wide variety of things. But I don't (or can't) play a good deal of what I like. I have a special, strange fondness for old Herb Alpert and the TJB tunes. I can play spazzed-out covers of a couple of their hits. But, you won't catch me playing them around the pfMentum gang (to be sure) -- or much of anybody else for that matter. Talk about offending EVERYBODY? Indeed! That would just about do it. >If I decided to apply to Mills, UCSD, Cal Arts, CCAC, CNMAT or Stanford >myself, would I magically discontinue quoting these genres and become >something new-fangled? I believe I'd still want to find some juice in that >old bottle, and continue referencing... (probably at further expense to my >credibility). I'm bothered by the impression that I've got to discard my >roots to become accepted in those circles. Am I misunderstanding something >here? I'm sure there are those who might comment on whether I really have >anything to say musically and that may certainly be a valid, if not much >appreciated viewpoint. Well, a lot of us mistakenly go into Art school thinking we are going to learn how to do what we already know and love in a better and better way. What Arts education is actually all about involves the same end but they typically acomplish it by forcing us out of our comfort zones and into new and untried territories, new ways of seeing, hearing, thinking, being. Whether this winds up molding everything you do forever after in their image -- or merely coloring, shading and adding depth to it is our choice. >This probably seems less about you Ted, than it is about me... but I think >we're in similar territory and wondering how to land on both feet, and hang >with our peers. How to reinvent without discarding has become the real crux >of the biscuit. Oh yeah... looping (remember that?) within this framework >has it's own myriad of pitfalls! That's okay. It's great to read what find out what folks are thinking and wresling with on a deeper level than "Hey I've got (or wanna get) this or that piece of hardware/software. Can it do what I want it to do?" These questions ARE important. But there are whole lotta other things that make us who we are as musicians, loopers and human beings. And, you notice that I mostly wrote about myself to. A friend of mine (it might have even been Jeff Kaiser) once told me that all Art is nothing more than children calling to one another across a mud puddle and saying, "Hey everybody! Look at the mud pie I made!" >Hey! And I also wanted to compliment you on your recent release somwhere >in all of this... Thanks! Do you have a mud pie... er...CD (or other music posted or otherwise available out there in cyberspace)? I'd be interested in hearing it. I'm often surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared within the community of the LD list members (as far as I ever hear about it anyway) other than the LD CDs and the odd self-promotional message of confirmed egoists like myself. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:04:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22140; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:30:39 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C34BF6F.D4541B25@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish the DL4 had another bank of presets. This would keep me from having to bend over in public. Mike Killian rich wrote: > yeah, i'd have to agree with you here... > > to upgrade the pod eprom, it's just 4 screws and something to pull > the eprom out with...which interestingly enough...they provide you > with if you purchase an upgrade chip. > > the fx modellers have the eprom stuck in there pretty damn far. you > would have to remove the whole board from the unit. > > best, > > rich > > >There's upgrades for the POD things, > >a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! > >I just wish it had an adjustable fade! > >and more time. > >But i suppose for twice the money, > >there's the repeater. > > > >So why am i typing this! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22108; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:40:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:40:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:34:20 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ed01c19496$05ded760$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9b.20990412.2964e90b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > or: > ..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't be >... is this like having tea and no tea? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:06:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22194; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:43:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.11d471f6.29661acc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:36:28 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <9LYgBC.A.RWF.VDMN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Dave! In a message dated 1/3/02 11:47:59 AM, improv@peak.org writes: >The book "Stiffed: A True Story of MCA, the Music Business and the >Mob" is a really interesting read about this stuff, if you really >want to see how sleazy it can be. I only wish I'd gotten in to radio >in the '70's and early '80's when they were shipping packages of Coke >in record sleeves to stations. Oh well :-) This should be required reading. I wonder if it's still in print! >Another anecdote, while doing a web search on the Minus CD, I found >it listed for sale used at a London store. I sent 3 promo copies to >all of England, I wonder which it was. The funny thing was that the >store listed it as "Rare Northwestern Prog/Psychedelia". Hey, I guess >it was cool enough for them at least... The Minus CD is VERY cool indeed (and so is Admiral Twinkle Devil, Dave's other project). I listen to both -- plus your live MP3s pretty often. Highly recommended by this reviewer!!!!! Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24215; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c19499$47143ba0$0101a8c0@workstation1> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <9b.20990412.2964e90b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4woREC.A.30F.3YMN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or he likes it and he takes it home without even spending a single word on it... I sent a cd to a magazine, and I never read a single line about it ... after a year or so I had a chance to talk to the guy I sent the cd to, and he told me 'Oh, yeah, I really liked that cd, it is in my room, just near my stereo...Ooops, did you sent it to the magazine I work to for a review?' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... > sl (?) said: > >just dread the day when a review arrives where the > >guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) > or: > ..... when the reviewer doesn't 'get it' (whatever that means), but thinks > it's wonderful. > or: > ..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't be > bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the disc for free --- > after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop & *trades* it for > something else..... as if it was his/her property, to begin with. > (for more info on that last subject, please visit any underpaid dj at most > radio-stations in in america). > *-) > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24391; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:08:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:02:02 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014101c19499$e4b467e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interesting... has anyone hacked the code for these? i would love to add some bass pod functions to the guitar pod. i definitely don't want both on my pedalboard... ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 > yeah, i'd have to agree with you here... > > to upgrade the pod eprom, it's just 4 screws and something to pull > the eprom out with...which interestingly enough...they provide you > with if you purchase an upgrade chip. > > the fx modellers have the eprom stuck in there pretty damn far. you > would have to remove the whole board from the unit. > > best, > > rich > > > >There's upgrades for the POD things, > >a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! > >I just wish it had an adjustable fade! > >and more time. > >But i suppose for twice the money, > >there's the repeater. > > > >So why am i typing this! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24490; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:10:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:10:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:03:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2002 21:03:57.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[28AB8B90:01C1949A] Resent-Message-ID: <15hCXB.A.n4F.fdMN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I wish the DL4 had another bank of presets. This would keep me from >having to bend over in public. > >Mike Killian > I sympathize with this sentiment. As long as we're wishing - with the existing hardware (4 buttons), Line6 could implement bank selection method in software such as: 1. press button #1 to enter patch select mode (blinkenlight flashing) 2. enter your patch selection by pressing any of the other three buttons (eight possible combinations including none pressed) 3. press button #1 again to confirm patch selection and abandon bank select mode (blink off) And so on and so forth for each of the 4 buttons. In other words, the first button press is your bank select (4 banks), the next presses your patch select (8 each) is 32 possible patches. (Now if only there were also a way to get the patches in there in the first place....hmmm) Only requires software implementation, and users comfortable in binary numbering. (The alternative: keep only customers comfortable with bending over in public:-) Sorry, couldn't help it.... All the best, Nic >rich wrote: > > > yeah, i'd have to agree with you here... > > > > to upgrade the pod eprom, it's just 4 screws and something to pull > > the eprom out with...which interestingly enough...they provide you > > with if you purchase an upgrade chip. > > > > the fx modellers have the eprom stuck in there pretty damn far. you > > would have to remove the whole board from the unit. > > > > best, > > > > rich > > > > >There's upgrades for the POD things, > > >a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! > > >I just wish it had an adjustable fade! > > >and more time. > > >But i suppose for twice the money, > > >there's the repeater. > > > > > >So why am i typing this! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:14:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26519; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:46:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:46:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020103213923.23845.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: FlowRadio (and other stuff) To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, On another list, I was asked about my radio show, and I thought I should forward my reply to the Loopers list. I haven't told y'all about my show, and thought I should. I also want to say that although I've only been on this list for a short time, it has been a wonderful discovery. I really appreciate that Looper's Delight is a supportive community of musicians who encourage and inspire each other. As a fellow musician, I've been looking for this kind of community for years! I have learned so much from all of you in a short time. And many of you have been generous in e-mailing me offlist to answer some of my questions. Today, I finally made the plunge and ordered my first looper: the much-balyhooed Repeater. The numerous threads on this list helped me decide to dive into all this. Thanks to you all, and Happy New Year! Mary Jane > My show is not truly ambient. However, I often > include ambient artists in my playlists. My > show > is called FlowRadio, and it airs 6-8pm CST > every > Sunday on Memphis' WEVL-FM90 > (http://www.wevl.org). You can tune in online, > if > you are interested through the station's Web > site. But please keep in mind that ambient is > only one aspect of what I play. I do not > subscribe to any single genre. Here's how I > usually describe my show: an eclectic blend of > textures, soundscapes, occasional beats, > expansive ambience, sometimes songwriters, and > lovely voices (and who knows what else?). I > have > but one rule: It must all "flow." As I said in > my > last post, some weeks, my show is more ambient, > some weeks more beaty, sometimes songwriters or > small ensembles or orchestral pieces or > instrumental solos. I think I'm becoming an > anarchist toward genre definitions in music. > > Please feel free to tune in and let me know > your > thoughts, impressions, suggestions, etc. > Lately, > I've been on a bit of a campaign to find new > music and artists that I haven't heard before, > and this list has helped me. WEVL is a small > independent station that's been around for > about > 25 years. The wonderful thing about independent > radio is that we can expose other people to > music > they might never hear anywhere else. If you're > an > artist, please let me know--especially if you > have music on a Web site that I can listen to. > I > love indy music. > > In addition, I used to play bass in a reggae > band > an eon ago, and I'm slowly wiping the dust off > my > gear and trying to get back into creating > again. > > All the best to everyone for 2002! > > Mary Jane Adams > > PS: My motto for FlowRadio: "There's a big > difference between being in a rut and being in > a > groove..." If I feel like I'm getting in a rut, > I'll ususally get into a groove (Bill Laswell > has > long been an inspiration). > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:41:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28495; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:13:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:13:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: Repeater Hiss Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c194a2$79bac2a0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C19478.90E4BAA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <60.18e75853.296607d9@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C19478.90E4BAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Question for the People Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? 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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C19478.90E4BAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:54:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29386; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:30:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c194a5$58d45670$7387abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:24:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: > I'm often > surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared > within the community of the LD list members (as far as I ever hear about it > anyway) I absolutely agree with this. It is strange the thing I miss the more here is music. I have partecipated in 3 CT Collective cds and I am often going back to listen to them looking for the music of the people I read the messages here. This helps me to understand more about them and also makes me feel better because, although it seems we are all very close in our comments in music making (techniques, instruments, common musical roots,...), it is very nice to notice how we are expressing music in so many different ways. This is good, there should be more chances to listen to each other. luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29829; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:40:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:40:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020103142741.00b7c5d0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:32:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: OT: Outlook email (was Re: Repeater Hiss) In-Reply-To: <001001c194a2$79bac2a0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> References: <60.18e75853.296607d9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow - over 4000 bytes for 197 characters! Thanks Microsoft! At 05:03 PM 2002/01/03 -0500, you wrote: >Question for the People > > > >Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is this a >common issue? > >It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops > >Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:30:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00449; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:05:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020103142741.00b7c5d0@mail.mindspring.com> References: <001001c194a2$79bac2a0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> <60.18e75853.296607d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:00:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: OT: Outlook email (was Re: Repeater Hiss) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back in the day, any techie would chew off her/his left foot before publicly releasing non-functional code strings like " " ... >Wow - over 4000 bytes for 197 characters! Thanks Microsoft! > > >At 05:03 PM 2002/01/03 -0500, you wrote: > >>Question for the People >> >> >> >>Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is this a >>common issue? >> >>It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops >> >>Thanks --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00815; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:07:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do you have it setup? Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: christopher white > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2002 2:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater Hiss > > Question for the People > > Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is this a > common issue? > It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops > Thanks > c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:42:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00980; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:18:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C34F475.91DE0684@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:16:53 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... References: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> <002f01c194a5$58d45670$7387abd4@giow2000> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i usually follow links that folks include with their messages, and have amassed a huge folder of "Loopers Stuff". There is allot of great stuff out there, I think I have enjoyed, been educated by (or both) almost everything I have heard from list members. it is there, but sometimes you need to do some poking around... dont forget this link! http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all later, -jas http://www.zebox.com/artists/dimbulb.html PS: Absolutly Last Call for Loopers TShirts... I am putting the Last and FINAL order in Tomorrow! If you are interested you better contact my offlist really quick-like... jfink@cabq.gov > From: > > I'm often > > surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared > > within the community of the LD list members (snip) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:53:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01694; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:29:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:29:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:22:16 -0500 Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201032241.RAA29903@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092926936_540975_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <3g2uP.A.kT.JfON8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092926936_540975_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Interesting thread this is turning into. I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place. I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in music. It's so contrary to the reasons I got into music and creativity in the first place -- namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreamself beyond my rational mind, etc . . . At my healthiest, I know that I do music for myself and for those who naturally respond to what I have to say. At my most insecure, I worry about how I'll be labelled and received -- my particular nightmare is to be dismissed as a "new age" artist. --MS_Mac_OE_3092926936_540975_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit...</TITLE= > </HEAD> <BODY> <BLOCKQUOTE>Interesting thread this is turning into.  <BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4">I have no <BR> particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is <BR> particularly <BR> well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what= I <BR> play <BR> </FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4">really comes= from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place.<BR> </FONT></FONT><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I love this comment.  I really have no patience for ideol= ogy in music.  It's so contrary to the reasons I got into music and cre= ativity in the first place -- namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreams= elf beyond my rational mind, etc . . .<BR> At my  healthiest, I know that I do music for myself and for those who= naturally respond to what I have to say.  At my most insecure, I worry= about how I'll be labelled and received -- my particular nightmare is to be= dismissed as a "new age" artist.   </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3092926936_540975_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 19:42:45 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05524; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:19:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <magicicada@charter.net> From: "christopher white" <magicicada@charter.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:09:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c194b4$19fed600$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <FBFDDCD15C6DD311B8B500508B4ABE3DDB22A5@IVLMail.ivl.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <HgNmaD.A.RSB.5NPN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have it in the aux sends of my Mackie 1604. But it seems even when I turn the input on the Repeater down all the way I can still here some hiss, so I do not think it is my auxes. Thanks for sending the instruction booklet btw!!! Regards, c.white -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Drouin (Electrix) [mailto:Jamie@Electrixpro.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:07 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss How do you have it setup? Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: christopher white > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2002 2:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater Hiss > > Question for the People > > Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is this a > common issue? > It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops > Thanks > c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:13:47 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07242; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:47:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <Jamie@Electrixpro.com> Message-ID: <FBFDDCD15C6DD311B8B500508B4ABE3DDB22AA@IVLMail.ivl.ca> From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" <Jamie@Electrixpro.com> To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:40:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <YCaTS.A.WtB.HoPN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Christopher, By 'input' do you mean that you have all four track sliders turned down as well and still hear noise? Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: christopher white > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2002 4:09 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss > > I have it in the aux sends of my Mackie 1604. > But it seems even when I turn the input on the Repeater down all the way > I can still here some hiss, so I do not think it is my auxes. > Thanks for sending the instruction booklet btw!!! > Regards, > c.white > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Drouin (Electrix) [mailto:Jamie@Electrixpro.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:07 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss > > How do you have it setup? > > Best, Jamie. > > > Jamie Drouin > Visual Designer > Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd > 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... > 250-544-4114 > > > > > ---------- > > From: christopher white > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2002 2:03 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Repeater Hiss > > > > Question for the People > > > > Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is > this a > > common issue? > > It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops > > Thanks > > c.white > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:28:59 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09237; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:03:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:03:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <KILLINFO@aol.com> From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <66.19d51670.296657e4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:57:08 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <EpcB3C.A.64B.p3PN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. Chook (?) In a message dated 1/2/02 2:54:23 PM, _dfx@hotkey.net.au writes: ><HEAD></HEAD> > ><iframe src=cid:EA4DMGBP9p height=0 width=0> > ></iframe> Hi there! I have no idea what your e-mail attachment was. I was able to download it but could not open it. Perhaps it's due to my being on a Macintosh... or maybe bein on AOL. Is there any other way to receive it? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:59:11 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10921; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:35:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:35:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net> From: "Gary Lehmann" <healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: A negative review for 2002 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:29:21 -0800 Message-ID: <LOBBLELOPJEFONCNJBGNGEJBLLAA.healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <66.19d51670.296657e4@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <CWw5_C.A.bmC.jVQN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 Mr. Chook (?) In a message dated 1/2/02 2:54:23 PM, _dfx@hotkey.net.au writes: ><HEAD></HEAD> > ><iframe src=cid:EA4DMGBP9p height=0 width=0> > ></iframe> Hi there! I have no idea what your e-mail attachment was. I was able to download it but could not open it. Perhaps it's due to my being on a Macintosh... or maybe bein on AOL. Is there any other way to receive it? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 21:25:35 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13953; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nicroozeboom@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" <nicroozeboom@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Re: Chook (was: A negative review for 2002) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:55:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F124AC5GqgP9DWKq6Lq000160a8@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 01:55:11.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8807CB0:01C194C2] Resent-Message-ID: <KvNxzB.A.wBD.euQN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr or Mrs Chook's attachment was a (known) virus. The virus scanner in Hotmail caught and recognized it. Best to throw it away and block the sender. Best regards, Nic >From: KILLINFO@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:57:08 EST > >Mr. Chook (?) > >In a message dated 1/2/02 2:54:23 PM, _dfx@hotkey.net.au writes: > > ><HEAD></HEAD> > > > ><iframe src=cid:EA4DMGBP9p height=0 width=0> > > > ></iframe> > >Hi there! > >I have no idea what your e-mail attachment was. >I was able to download it but could not open it. >Perhaps it's due to my being on a Macintosh... >or maybe bein on AOL. Is there any other way to >receive it? > >Best, > >Ted Killian > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 21:33:44 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14323; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:08:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:08:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <sine@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: <3C350D0C.3F0A348E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:01:41 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... References: <B85A51D8.220E%stevesandberg@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <H2xgyD.A.WaD.V0QN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would that not be an ideology of primitivism? Choosing not to choose is still making a choice. It's how art critics make a living. To name is to maim. Mark Sottilaro Steve Sandberg wrote: > > > Interesting thread this is turning into. > > > I have no > particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is > particularly > well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about > what I > play > > really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) > place. > > > I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in > music. It's so contrary to the reasons I got into music and > creativity in the first place -- namely, joy, connecting with the > larger dreamself beyond my rational mind, etc . . . > At my healthiest, I know that I do music for myself and for those who > naturally respond to what I have to say. At my most insecure, I worry > about how I'll be labelled and received -- my particular nightmare is > to be dismissed as a "new age" artist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 22:35:08 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17938; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> Message-ID: <3C351BD2.5000606@surplustech.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:04:50 -0600 From: David Jeter <dbjeter@surplustech.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAM MAN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <IHUXXC.A.SUE.NvRN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition, with foot pedal. Any laying around? It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in conjunction with his drums. Thanks, David Jeter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 23:27:33 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20924; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <roguemus@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <3C33D5B3.2F97EAF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:53:23 -0500 From: roguemus <roguemus@ix.netcom.com> Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JAM MAN References: <3C351BD2.5000606@surplustech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Apparently-From: Beaniesandmusic@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <2WOKf.A.0xE.SgSN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't have one at the moment, we will let you know when we do Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC David Jeter wrote: > I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition, with > foot pedal. Any laying around? > > It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in conjunction > with his drums. > > Thanks, > > David Jeter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 23:36:26 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21221; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:12:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:12:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <KILLINFO@aol.com> From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <129.a4a12ed.29668432@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:06:10 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <DwoABB.A.hIF.SpSN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark & Steve, In a message dated 1/3/02 6:03:12 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Would that not be an ideology of primitivism? Choosing not to choose is >still making a choice. It's how art critics make a living. To name is >to maim. > >Mark Sottilaro > >Steve Sandberg wrote: > >>Interesting thread this is turning into. >> >> I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. >> Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how >> I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, >> very naive (not to say primitive) place. >> >> I love this comment. As the quoted person in question I'd probably say no, not primitivism, just naivete. I'm still just a doofus who hasn't figgered anything out yet. There is a certain sense of inadequacy and failure (if not shame) connected to it -- like maybe I really should have some sort of grand, sophisticated raison d'etre for what I'm doing by now (I'm 48 for gosh sakes) and I don't. I'm just doing it because it somehow satisfies some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives me to do it again. The same impulse seems to drive my visual artmaking as well. I do not have words for it. I sure wish did. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 00:04:50 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22378; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:39:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:39:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <dbjeter@surplustech.com> Message-ID: <021901c194d8$e11ceaa0$6401a8c0@dj> From: "David Jeter" <dbjeter@surplustech.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <3C351BD2.5000606@surplustech.com> <3C33D5B3.2F97EAF@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: JAM MAN Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:32:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <niZ5-B.A.SYF.UBTN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. David Jeter ----- Original Message ----- From: roguemus <roguemus@ix.netcom.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: Re: JAM MAN > Don't have one at the moment, we will let you know when we do > > Dick Michaels > Rogue Music NYC > > David Jeter wrote: > > > I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition, with > > foot pedal. Any laying around? > > > > It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in conjunction > > with his drums. > > > > Thanks, > > > > David Jeter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 00:40:39 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24941; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:17:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:17:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <magicicada@charter.net> From: "christopher white" <magicicada@charter.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: AKAi HeadRush Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:07:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c194dd$bb32dac0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <021901c194d8$e11ceaa0$6401a8c0@dj> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <P6Z1O.A._BG.TlTN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an Akai headrush for sale dead mint in the box for 140. Regards c.white -----Original Message----- From: David Jeter [mailto:dbjeter@surplustech.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JAM MAN Thanks. David Jeter ----- Original Message ----- From: roguemus <roguemus@ix.netcom.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: Re: JAM MAN > Don't have one at the moment, we will let you know when we do > > Dick Michaels > Rogue Music NYC > > David Jeter wrote: > > > I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition, with > > foot pedal. Any laying around? > > > > It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in conjunction > > with his drums. > > > > Thanks, > > > > David Jeter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 01:13:55 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26830; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <biffoz@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:45:06 -0800 From: Miko Biffle <biffoz@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001801c194e2$f6a34720$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <okuks.A.VdG.FEUN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Miko! Yo Ted! >> I've lately become confused (mostly) by the lumping together of odd coalitions and factions around the bay area (and California). We've got the BA-NEWMUSE list members comprised of many Mills faculty and students, as well as a variety of real-time free-improv types. We've got the pfMENTUM crew with Jeff Kaiser, and his many friends such as Steuart Liebig and Nels Cline ... While I dearly love many from each faction, it's sometimes hard to know where I fit into it all as well... > I'm a bit confused too. Jeff and I both sort of began our current musical trajectories together in Southern California...ah...er... mumble mumble umpty years ago. In fact, via a mutual friend of ours he sort of "discovered" me and pushed me out into the spotlight (actually repeatedly, 'til I became comfortable doing it myself). I owe so much to Jeff and consider him a great life-time friend. But I really don't totally fit into his/their program either. I'm not a trained musician with multiple advanced degrees like he is. I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place. I really find myself out of my depth in such company. My only option is to resolutely be "me" musically/artistically and to try not to talk about it too much if I can. I AM relatively well educated, but my family background is very blue collar and very decidedly anti-intellectual. Maybe this is the source if my own internal conflict and confusion to some degree. I somehow managed to avoid college myself, and travelled about playing folk music, then reacting against it, and playing lunar space music. Total pendulum movements from one extreme to the other. I've learned a great deal about Jeff from Stig, and benefitted much from Stig's encouragement as well. Those pfMentum guys are gosh-darn nice guys! (Not to mention being one of Nels biggest fans! I'm so stoked there's someone throwing *that much* at the wall and managing to make it stick! I'm actually really grateful... ) > ...... The tracks on my CD that actually have any sort of rhythmic "groove" were not intended for release. The CD was recorded during two 4-hour recording sessions on two consecutive days. I sort of get the "jitters" in a recording situation (more so than on stage). And the 'pieces" in question were meant to be warm-up exercises in order to get the fingers working and have a little musical "fun" in the process ... to loosen up in other words (and to exorcise any rock guitar cliche's from the system while I was at it). Well, these things got recorded anyway. And Jeff, who is one of those folks who seems to conspicuously avoid rhythm and melody at almost all costs, is the one who insisted on including them on the CD. Go figure. It goes to show that you just never know. Thank goodness for producers?! I sometimes think that maybe they pick stuff they would like to have released, but HAD THE SENSE NOT TO! *-/ (Really... just joking here... I'm sure Jeff picked his faves!) It IS great to have someone to oversee things. > Well, I began my own musical life as sort of an eccentric, electric Leo Kottke wannabe if you can believe it. That's still the sort of thing I play around the wife and kids at home (the technical fallout of which is that I still play with metal fingerpicks and bizarre tunings -- even when I'm being Mr. Avant Noismaker). Good grief! We ARE very much alike... I'm a total closet folk junkie... I know piles of Martin Carthy stuff (correct tunings etc.) Nick Drake... I've written my share in this genre as well. Someday I'll find a way to reconcile it with my space/chaos musical self and merge it together into something sublime... (One can hope?) > I love all sorts of music and listen to a wide variety of things. But I don't (or can't) play a good deal of what I like. I have a special, strange fondness for old Herb Alpert and the TJB tunes. I can play spazzed-out covers of a couple of their hits. But, you won't catch me playing them around the pfMentum gang (to be sure) -- or much of anybody else for that matter. Talk about offending EVERYBODY? Indeed! That would just about do it. I sometimes believe that I'm doomed to actually really have to include all my various tangents into a crazy hodgepodge... In fact, that might be where the real art lies? Just being honest and disciplined enough to make sure *nothing* gets left out... (Including the zany Herb Alpert and Persuasive Percussion stuff.) >> If I decided to apply to Mills, UCSD, Cal Arts, CCAC, CNMAT or Stanford myself, would I magically discontinue quoting these genres and become something new-fangled? I believe I'd still want to find some juice in that old bottle, and continue referencing... (probably at further expense to my credibility). > Well, a lot of us mistakenly go into Art school thinking we are going to learn how to do what we already know and love in a better and better way. What Arts education is actually all about involves the same end but they typically acomplish it by forcing us out of our comfort zones and into new and untried territories, new ways of seeing, hearing, thinking, being. Whether this winds up molding everything you do forever after in their image -- or merely coloring, shading and adding depth to it is our choice. I'm probably just being a little resentful of the actual opportunities to do that sort of stretching (which I have zero time for myself, with a family, mortgage and... NO JOB!) My wife went to CCAC and we were up there in Berkeley '92-'95 and I certainly understood what I had MISSED. So I'm trying to do it the cyber-way, with people like Stig and you and the head-expanding community we have here at LD. I'm so grateful we're all here swapping stuff so readily! It's truly amazing. > ....... It's great to read what find out what folks are thinking and wrestling with on a deeper level than "Hey I've got (or wanna get) this or that piece of hardware/software. Can it do what I want it to do?" These questions ARE important. But there are whole lotta other things that make us who we are as musicians, loopers and human beings. And, you notice that I mostly wrote about myself to. A friend of mine (it might have even been Jeff Kaiser) once told me that all Art is nothing more than children calling to one another across a mud puddle and saying, "Hey everybody! Look at the mud pie I made!" I like that... I just want to throw some mud and have fun too! >> Hey! And I also wanted to compliment you on your recent release somwhere in all of this... > Thanks! Do you have a mud pie... er...CD (or other music posted or otherwise available out there in cyberspace)? I'd be interested in hearing it. I'm often surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared within the community of the LD list members (as far as I ever hear about it anyway) other than the LD CDs and the odd self-promotional message of confirmed egoists like myself. Best, Ted Killian Well... several of us on the list initially created a 'Chain Tape' which became a 4 cd set, and we formed the Chain Tape Collective. There's a whole boatload of stuff we've compiled into 'themed' cds. I've got 3 or 5 tracks hanging around in that pile, but truthfully, I've caved on pushing my own freakin' "Lounge" project! It's at... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CT-Collective Life just keeps charging at me, with the job and all my other distractions. (Not making excuses here... I also love to skateboard, and have resumed an active slalom racing schedule embarrasingly enough! So life is full to the brim and I'm just slower than most... ) > As the quoted person in question I'd probably say no, not primitivism, just naivete. I'm still just a doofus who hasn't figgered anything out yet. There is a certain sense of inadequacy and failure (if not shame) connected to it -- like maybe I really should have some sort of grand, sophisticated raison d'etre for what I'm doing by now (I'm 48 for gosh sakes) and I don't. I'm just doing it because it somehow satisfies some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives me to do it again. The same impulse seems to drive my visual artmaking as well. I do not have words for it. I sure wish did. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 02:43:12 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32738; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <biffoz@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:14:16 -0800 From: Miko Biffle <biffoz@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001d01c194ef$6b7e04c0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <fZKxP.A.U7H.rXVN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Miko! Hey there Ted! >> I've lately become confused (mostly) by the lumping together of odd coalitions and factions around the bay area (and California). We've got the BA-NEWMUSE list members comprised of many Mills faculty and students, as well as a variety of real-time free-improv types. We've got the pfMENTUM crew with Jeff Kaiser, and his many friends such as Steuart Liebig and Nels Cline ... While I dearly love many from each faction, it's sometimes hard to know where I fit into it all as well... > I'm a bit confused too. Jeff and I both sort of began our current musical trajectories together in Southern California...ah...er... mumble mumble umpity years ago. In fact, via a mutual friend of ours he sort of "discovered" me and pushed me out into the spotlight (actually repeatedly, 'till I became comfortable doing it myself). I owe so much to Jeff and consider him a great life-time friend. But I really don't totally fit into his/their program either. I'm not a trained musician with multiple advanced degrees like he is. I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place. I really find myself out of my depth in such company. My only option is to resolutely be "me" musically/artistically and to try not to talk about it too much if I can. I AM relatively well educated, but my family background is very blue collar and very decidedly anti-intellectual. Maybe this is the source if my own internal conflict and confusion to some degree. First commonality... Southern California! I somehow managed to avoid college and wandered off playing folk music, then reacting against that and going off into space-noise land... I waffle back and forth to this day... total pendulum effect... I've yet to somehow merge the two polarities into anything cohesive. Maybe someday. That's great having Jeff pushing you onward... I have Stig here to thank for much of my mental and musical boundary pushing! Hey... those pfMentum guys really *are* nice (if not over-educated) guys! 8-) And I'm such a Nels Cline fan! I'm actually really grateful that he's out there throwing SO much at the wall, and getting it to stick! Makes it easier on the rest of us... >> It seems that rhythm (groove-like) and melody (stated in anything other than either a radical-outburst-noiseattack) seems to imply old-school-wankerism in the player who commits these grievous errors. Dan Plonsey over on the BA-Newmuse list recently posted similar thoughts on complete free-improv and it's narrow constraints. > ..... The tracks on my CD that actually have any sort of rhythmic "groove" were not intended for release. The CD was recorded during two 4-hour recording sessions on two consecutive days. I sort of get the "jitters" in a recording situation (more so than on stage). And the 'pieces" in question were meant to be warm-up exercises in order to get the fingers working and have a little musical "fun" in the process ... to loosen up in other words (and to exorcise any rock guitar cliché's from the system while I was at it). Well, these things got recorded anyway. And Jeff, who is one of those folks who seems to conspicuously avoid rhythm and melody at almost all costs, is the one who insisted on including them on the CD. Go figure. It goes to show that you just never know. Ah yes... the producer! I sometimes get the feeling that they actually pick pieces they wouldn't dare put on *their* releases, but like anyway. (just joking, but there IS a ring of truth there maybe?) > ...... I began my own musical life as sort of an eccentric, electric Leo Kottke wannabe if you can believe it. That's still the sort of thing I play around the wife and kids at home (the technical fallout of which is that I still play with metal fingerpicks and bizarre tunings -- even when I'm being Mr. Avant Noismaker). Second: Folk music... Wow Ted... I'm a total closet folk junkie! Martin Carthy, Nick Drake, Leonard Cohen, Leo, Fahey etc.... I've written quite a pile of acoustic guitar instrumental stuff as well as with voice... I'm thinking that maybe just doing them with solo electric guitar might not be such a bad idea? > I love all sorts of music and listen to a wide variety of things. But I don't (or can't) play a good deal of what I like. I have a special, strange fondness for old Herb Alpert and the TJB tunes. I can play spazzed-out covers of a couple of their hits. But, you won't catch me playing them around the pfMentum gang (to be sure) -- or much of anybody else for that matter. Talk about offending EVERYBODY? Indeed! That would just about do it. Third: Zany influences... I get the strange feeling that I'm doomed to be forced to include all my various tangents into some huge hodgepodge. That may be where the real art lies? To be disciplined AND honest enough to force oneself to include *every last influence* in a huge trash-compacted style to be true to oneself. > Well, a lot of us mistakenly go into Art school thinking we are going to learn how to do what we already know and love in a better and better way. What Arts education is actually all about involves the same end but they typically accomplish it by forcing us out of our comfort zones and into new and untried territories, new ways of seeing, hearing, thinking, being. Whether this winds up molding everything you do forever after in their image -- or merely coloring, shading and adding depth to it is our choice. Ok... I give... I do realize it's about stretching boundaries. And maybe I'm a little set in my ways! I'm so jealous *now* of those who actually have the time to go to art school! I'm trying to achieve a degree of that now following 'the cyber way'... bouncing ideas off everyone here and collaborating etc. What puts me off though is the feeling that I'm just plain NOT going to play with most of those guys, because I'm somehow more derivative and less edumacated. I'm probably just being paranoid... (lurking wampeters... I can actually count my blessings!) Maybe we'll all get down to the Central Cali Loop Fest and hear each other there. I'm trying to get it on my calendar, but embarrassingly enough, I've actively resumed racing skateboards and am busily penciling in events I'm going to be racing at in the upcoming 2002 season... Very strange for a 48 year old. Fourth: Age... Hey I'm old (48) too! So... to throw another tangent into the mix. I had the wonderful opportunity to be included in music events up at Mount Madonna Center, rounding up their huge yearly yoga retreat. I was in the pit band for a play "Renouncement" as well as their New Years eve program the following night, and got to play with Steve Oda (sp?), an amazing Sarod player. It turned out that he either is or was the director up at the Ali Akbar Khan college in Marin. It was so humbling to hear Steve and other Indian trad musicians sing play... a Bansuri player named Sanjay and several others. Now I want to learn some Sarod and Indian music... Do I have time? NO... but I'm probably gonna be trying to hang out with those guys a bit more and soak it up. I'm wondering what a decent student Sarod might cost? ObLoopItem: I DID integrate looping both evenings... > ....... A friend of mine (it might have even been Jeff Kaiser) once told me that all Art is nothing more than children calling to one another across a mud puddle and saying, "Hey everybody! Look at the mud pie I made!" Hey! I want to throw mud too! You betcha... >>Hey! And I also wanted to compliment you on your recent release somewhere in all of this... > Thanks! Do you have a mud pie... er...CD (or other music posted or otherwise available out there in cyberspace)? I'd be interested in hearing it. I'm often surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared within the community of the LD list members (as far as I ever hear about it anyway) other than the LD CDs and the odd self-promotional message of confirmed egoists like myself. Well... a bunch of us from the list decided to do a chain tape, and ended up with a 4 cd set... we then formed the Chain Tape Collective http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CT-Collective where we propose projects. Then there's the Loop Exchange at http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html where I and 62 others have several tracks in various locations. (We've really grown!) I have to say I seem to have caved in (or many of us have) and haven't pushed forward on our latest projects, mine being of a "Lounge" theme. Maybe you want to dust of some of those top-secret Tijuana Brass fetish licks and send me a track! Maybe 2002 will bring us back on track... I still hit 'record' from time to time, and now have a computer DAW... The studio is partly in disarray, but I'll get it more set up and crank out more stuff. I've just purchased a printer to put labels on cd's etc.! I will be back!!!! > Best, Ted Killian So very nice talking with you too! -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 04:03:49 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03923; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:40:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:40:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <lists@collective.co.uk> Message-ID: <001201c194fa$68eecd60$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" <lists@collective.co.uk> To: "Loopers-Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Reaktor Headrush Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:32:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <A6JM.A.A5.6iWN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For all you Reaktor users: I've uploaded to the user area on the NI website an emulation of a Headrush pedal. Interface is the same (two buttons). Max loop time limited only by your computer's RAM! I've gone for a straight emulation to start with, but plan to add more features soon e.g. - record straight into overdub - reverse record/playback - variable speed playback cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.burningshed.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 05:36:18 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12003; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:12:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:12:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:05:23 +0000 Subject: Ideology in looping? From: Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: <B85B2B7F.46A8%steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <lQw4J.A.63C.D6XN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in music. It's so contrary to the reasons I got into music and creativity in the first place -- namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreamself beyond my rational mind, etc . . .<<< But having 'no patience' is an ideological stand-point.. :o) You've apparently chosen to dismiss on grounds of ideology the work, or at least the methods of some other musicians, which puts you in a similar camp to them, it would seem... I suspect that you're going to clarify this - as I've said very similar things before, only to realise that it wasn't read how I intended it to sound. For the record, I try to not be affected by the various 'schools' of improv/looping or whaever inasmuch as they impose limitations on what you can do (the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisation is surely a misnomer, no? though I suspect that the explaination would be that adherence to strict western metric rhythmic forms and melodic structures was not expressing freedom but rather pedaling the western musical hedgemonic paradigm or something... :o) It is then quite a struggle to enjoy the music of people with whom you have ideological differences, especially when they are as strongly expressed as some (whether it be the extreme sectors of the free community, or the Burns/Marsalis brigade) - Having heard Derek Bailey wax lyrical on the subject of improv, I felt like I was being picked on for playing tunes (iit was on a TV show, so I very much doubt that he had me in mind, particularly as it was recorded before I started playing solo!!! :o) It doesn't stop me enjoying some of his music (though the only time I've ever seen him live was perhaps the most godawful cacophany that I've ever had the misfortune to be in the same room as - none of his usual expressive weirdness, just three blokes twatting about with a laptop, turntables and a guitar... I thought it was just me until the review in the Wire said the same thing, and anecdotally I heard that Derek wasn't mad keen on the evening either... :o) it makes it easier when I hear that he's a really really nice guy in person, I guess... :o) meeting people with a genuinely open approach to improv - be it groovalicious melodicism or just good ole' fashioned weird shit - is really liberating. The Vibist Orphy Robinson is one of the most open musicians I've ever spoken to/played with (though the playing was a theatre gig, so no room for improv there...) - he just loves music. Same goes for playing with Rick Walker and Michael Manring on the Solo Bass Looping tour last year - we went all over the shop, some of it was sublime, some was rather silly, some funny, some scary, but almost all ideas were followed to their conclusions, or subverted in some cool way. The tension between our different approaches to music was open and creative not stifling and limiting... So if you want to grow a mullet, put on white baseball boots and a Megadeth T-shirt and shred to your hearts content, or alternatively play pan-pipe sounds on a Korg M1 over loops of sea noises, great, go ahead. I may not choose to listen to it, but I'll defend your right to do it and have fun... :o) ...And if you come and see me on my California tour, I promise lots of tunes, some funkiness, a few different keys, lots of mellowness, hopefully something that will make you laugh, maybe a little strangeness and that it won't be too loud and the drummer won't try and hit on you or your wife ('cos there won't be one) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk - updated gig details for CA and France here... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 05:55:51 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12806; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:30:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:30:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <PMimlitsch@aol.com> From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <189.16a18ed.2966dcc6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:24:06 EST Subject: Fwd: Tonight "Adelante"@The Adrienne Theatre, Philadelphia PA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_189.16a18ed.2966dcc6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <o21j_B.A.WCD.bLYN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_189.16a18ed.2966dcc6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << Adelante will be performing at the Adrienne Theatre Friday January 4th 2002@8:00pm Location: The Adrienne Theatre 2nd Stage 2030 Sansom Street Philadelphia, PA Theatre Catalyst (215)563-4330 (This will be our first "official" performance with Drummer/Percussionist and Multi-Instrumentalist Tony Mascara Jr.) Peace...Jody, Paul and Tony J.Jody Janetta-Bass/Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Chapman Stick SB8/Loops and Textures Tony Mascara Jr.-Vibes/Marimba/Drums and Bass Adelante website: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html >> --part1_189.16a18ed.2966dcc6_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <PMimlitsch@aol.com> From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Full-name: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <65.2068e289.29659135@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:49:25 EST Subject: Fwd: "Adelante" @The Adrienne Theatre, Philadelphia PA To: aharon@simpletone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_189.16a18ed.29659135_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 --part2_189.16a18ed.29659135_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 3:06:03 PM, jjody@yahoo.com writes: << Adelante will be performing at the Adrienne Theatre Friday January 4th 2002@8:00pm Location: The Adrienne Theatre 2nd Stage 2030 Sansom Street Philadelphia, PA Theatre Catalyst (215)563-4330 (This will be our first "official" performance with Drummer/Percussionist and Multi-Instrumentalist Tony Mascara Jr.) Peace...Jody, Paul and Tony J.Jody Janetta-Bass/Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Chapman Stick SB8/Loops and Textures Tony Mascara Jr.-Vibes/Marimba/Drums and Bass Adelante website: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html >> --part2_189.16a18ed.29659135_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <jjody@yahoo.com> Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINYC13-0102100603; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:06:03 -0500 Received: from web9507.mail.yahoo.com (web9507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.21]) by rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (v83.18) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC52-0102100548; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:05:48 1900 Message-ID: <20020102150548.94246.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.3.146.31] by web9507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 07:05:48 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: "J.Jody Janetta" <jjody@yahoo.com> Subject: "Adelante" Performance@The Adrienne Theatre, Philadelphia PA To: "Ari Ma'ayan" <amaayan@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Adelante will be performing at the Adrienne Theatre Friday January 4th 2002@8:00pm Location: The Adrienne Theatre 2nd Stage 2030 Sansom Street Philadelphia, PA Theatre Catalyst (215)563-4330 Admission: The 2nd Stage@The Adrienne Theatre is a very intimate and cool(only 106 seats) space to experience an "Adelante" performance. This will be our first "official" performance with Drummer/Percussionist and Multi-Instrumentalist Tony Mascara Jr. We hope to see all of our friends and fans. Peace...Jody, Paul and Tony J.Jody Janetta-Bass/Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Chapman Stick SB8/Loops and Textures Tony Mascara Jr.-Vibes/Marimba/Drums and Bass Adelante website: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com --part2_189.16a18ed.29659135_boundary-- --part1_189.16a18ed.2966dcc6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 05:59:31 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13139; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:35:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:35:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> Message-ID: <3C35839D.5ECF45@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:27:41 +0000 From: Grahame Naylor <grahame@cableinet.co.uk> Reply-To: grahame@cableinet.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Akai Headrush UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-1-VrC.A.THD.mQYN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody wanting a cheap intro to looping or to expand an existing arsenal check out the sale at www.dawsons.co.uk. They have the headrush at £89.00 (GBP) inc. UK postage. Mine just arrived... I may be gone some time! Grahame From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 06:24:23 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14523; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:58:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:58:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: <a05001904b85b365c93db@[10.0.0.17]> In-Reply-To: <189.16a18ed.2966dcc6@aol.com> References: <189.16a18ed.2966dcc6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:44:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld <brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com> Subject: selling my Jamman (Europe only) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4xFzoC.A.AfD.5kYN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi everybody I'm selling my Jammie expanded to 32' with original box, footswitch and instructions mint conditions 450 euro + shipping anybody interested? e-mail me Bruno Kleinefeld (I'm in Milan, Italy...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 10:13:12 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27708; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:49:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:49:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:38:06 -0800 Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... From: Travis Hartnett <tiktok@sprintmail.com> To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Message-ID: <B85AFE4E.7A44%tiktok@sprintmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9RskdD.A.NlG.15bN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No art is without ideology--the "reasons you got into music and creativity" ARE your ideology... TH From: Steve Sandberg <stevesandberg@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:22:16 -0500 >I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in music. It's so >contrary to the reasons I got into music and creativity in the first place -- >namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreamself beyond my rational mind, etc . . . >At my healthiest, I know that I do music for myself and for those who >naturally respond to what I have to say. At my most insecure, I worry about >how I'll be labelled and received -- my particular nightmare is to be dismissed >as a "new age" artist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 11:08:34 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31160; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:44:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:44:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <stevesandberg@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:37:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Ideology of primitivism? From: Steve Sandberg <stevesandberg@earthlink.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: <B85B3668.221A%stevesandberg@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200201040613.BAA29116@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092985449_90204_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <JHf5S.A.lhH.ZxcN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092985449_90204_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm just doing it because it somehow satisfies some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives me to do it again Ted, I laughed when i read this comment because, again, I love where you're coming from. I actually find what you say to be very profound and inspiring, you're articulating some of my most core reasons for doing art/music. As far as an "ideology of primitivism" -- to me, there's an emotional feeling tone to the word "ideology" that I don't get from Ted's statements. To me, (I could be wrong), ideology means "this is the correct way." What I get from Ted is, "This is what I do." --MS_Mac_OE_3092985449_90204_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Ideology of primitivism?
I'm just doing it because = it somehow satisfies
some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives
me to do it= again

Ted, I laughed when i read this comment because, again, I love where you're= coming from.
I actually find what you say to be very profound and inspiring, you're arti= culating some of my most core reasons for doing art/music.
As far as an "ideology of primitivism" -- to me, there's an emoti= onal feeling tone to the word "ideology" that I don't get from Ted= 's statements.  To me, (I could be wrong), ideology means "this is= the correct way."  What I get from Ted is, "This is what I d= o."   --MS_Mac_OE_3092985449_90204_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 12:21:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04706; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:51:40 -0800 Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <129.a4a12ed.29668432@aol.com> Message-Id: <5331AB79-0133-11D6-AE3E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, don't feel bad. It's nothing $80K and 4 years at art school couldn't cure. The problem lies in the fact that when you're finished, you're so busy working to pay off your student loans, there is precious little time for any personal art making, much less description. I had a professor who used to really like my papers. We'd have a little joke where I'd reply to his praise with, "I should be majoring in bullshit." I once had a roommate that loved football. I find it totally boring. Anyway, so I'd fit in at his little get togethers, he taught me some catch phrases that really helped. After a play was obviously over, I could look earnestly into the face of a coviewer and say something like, "Wow, they really came to play some ball." or "He's really got his game face on." I swear after some beer, these worked really well! It reminds me of a MASH episode where Radar has a crush on a sophisticated woman so they give him some canned responses like, "when she mentions Motzart, look bored. When she mentions Bach, say "Ah...Bach." I swear, we still laugh at this joke. So next time you want to seem like what you do has some deep intellectual meaning, just say something like, "I'm trying to transcend futurism" or "I'm trying to take the principals that Carl Jung put forth to my music." These should work like a charm, and are probably (though not importantly) true. Good luck, Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 08:06 PM, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > There is a certain sense of inadequacy and failure (if not shame) > connected to it -- like maybe I really should have some sort of grand, > sophisticated raison d'etre for what I'm doing by now (I'm 48 for gosh > sakes) and I don't. I'm just doing it because it somehow satisfies > some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives > me to do it again. The same impulse seems to drive my visual artmaking > as well. I do not have words for it. I sure wish did. > > Best, > > Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 12:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05909; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:00:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:00:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048A8@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:48:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C194A0.5B76E000" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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** hiw about more TIME????

isn't that what we'd really all want??

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194A0.5B76E000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 12:40:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06798; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:16:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:16:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c19542$9a3aa7c0$0201a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: And now this word... Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:09:41 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fade In, to a street corner in the Old Looping West. Two men carrying lots of gear and instruments approach round the corner from each other, until colliding with a loud sound, not unlike twisting hot metal. They both fall to the pavement, along with their gear and instruments, and each of them begin slowly picking it up again. Suddenly they both realize that a mix-up of some sort has happened gear-wise. LC#1: Hey! You got Ideology in my Looping! LC#2: Nemmine that! You got Looping in my Ideology! Cut to studio, and a box with the "Looper's Delight" logo on it, along with a lovely LD T-shirt. ANNOUNCER: Now EVERYONE can have Looping with WHATEVER they want, thanks to the LD T-shirt! The accessory everyone can use! Cut to nervous-looking guitarist, wearing the LD T-shirt, flanked by two fawning girls (also wearing LD T-shirts) LC#3: I don't know what I'd DO without my Looper's Delight T-shirt! GIRL#1: *I* know... GIRL#2 looks at the camera, and smiles. GIRL#2: She just LOVES that LD Tee! Cut to outside the roadhouse, both GIRL#1 and GIRL#2 walking out, GIRL#1 holding a Looper's Delight T-shirt, obviously taken from LC#3 inside. GIRL#1: Now I've got one for every day of the week! Cut back to box with "Looper's Delight" logo, and Looper's Delight T-shirt draped over it. ANNOUNCER: Looper's Delight's T-shirts. Get them or else! LC#3 (in background): Can I have another one please? Fade out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 13:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11704; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:18:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C35F104.7361642A@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:16:20 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT harry partch centennial event References: <001c01c194dd$bb32dac0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Csiz.A.pyC.gBfN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for those of you in northern ca (or anywhere w. of the mississippi!) into partch, harrison, et al: A brief heads-up: the Harry Partch Foundation is staging another Partch Centennial celebration; while we are tech- nically beyond the year, it was originally intended for last September, so... On Saturday, February 2, 2002, the event take place on the campus of San Jose State University (San Jose, CA). Guest speakers will include: - Lou Harrison - Danlee Mitchell - Philip Blackburn - Jon Szanto - John Schneider The afternoon will feature the guests in various formats, the foyer will display the "I Was A Bum Once Myself" photographic exhibition on Partch, a showing of the film "The Dreamer That Remains", scores and other Partch work will be on display, and the day will be capped off with a concert by John Schneider and "Just Strings", with Partch works done in the earliest period of his life. Doors will open at 11:00 am, with events from 12:00 on out, and a break for dinner before the concert. Final details will go out in an email before the date, and check out Corporeal Meadows http://www.corporeal.com for the poster, directions, and complete info. West of the Missisippi? Be there! i caught the event last year at ucla, it was a good time... cheers, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13836; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:49:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Ideology in looping From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201041608.LAA01118@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-FatWC.A.USD.UlfN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>> I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in music. >>>> It's > so contrary to the reasons I got into music and creativity in the first > place -- namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreamself beyond my > rational mind, etc . . .<<< > > But having 'no patience' is an ideological stand-point.. :o) You've > apparently chosen to dismiss on grounds of ideology the work, or at least > the methods of some other musicians, which puts you in a similar camp to > them, it would seem... Hmm, you're definitely making me think here . . . On first thought, I'd say that I would never dismiss anyone's work on the basis of their methods or ways of thinking about or creating it, even if it's an ideology -- I judge music on my personal reaction to it. And I like stuff that's all over the place -- depending on the moment -- What you're saying reminds me of a philosophy professor I had in college who said that if you don't have a conscious philosophy, you have an unconscious one (often either corresponding to or rebelling against the society you grew up in) -- so maybe I do have an unconcious ideology I'm not owning up to. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15625; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:08:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:08:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048AC@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:37:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19546.8A93DCC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19546.8A93DCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've learned a great deal about Jeff from Stig, and benefitted much from Stig's encouragement as well. Those pfMentum guys are gosh-darn nice guys! (Not to mention being one of Nels biggest fans! I'm so stoked there's someone throwing *that much* at the wall and managing to make it stick! I'm actually really grateful... )<< ** hey y'all, i gotta put something in here . . . i think that the only guy that's been mentioned here as a "pfmentum" guy (aside from ted k, as his disc is on the label) who actually is would be jeff kaiser. i would not use that term for myself or nels. the common thing between us is that we're all so cal-based players in a certain niche - - in fact the only record label that we have in common would be vinny golia's 9winds, as each of us has been involved with at least three (if not way more in nels' case) releases over the years. for looping content: jeff k does trumpet and voice into various manglers and then does looping into a dl4 (i've been trying to get him to get a second). i'll be spamming everyone next week for a gig in ventura that will include myself, jeff k, ge stinson and trombonist scot ray doing all improv - - i think that at least three of us will be doing looping (i think scot will as well, but i'm not sure). in addition, jeff k is a good composer and improvisor. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19546.8A93DCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit...

>>I've learned a great deal about Jeff from Stig, a= nd benefitted much from
Stig's encouragement as well. Those pfMentum guys are go= sh-darn nice guys!
(Not to mention being one of Nels biggest fans! I'm so s= toked there's
someone throwing *that much* at the wall and managing to= make it stick! I'm
actually really grateful... )<<



** hey y'all, i gotta put something in here  . . .

i think that the only guy that's been mentioned here as a= "pfmentum" guy (aside from ted k, as his disc is on the label) w= ho actually is would be jeff kaiser. i would not use that term for myself o= r nels. the common thing between us is that we're all so cal-based players = in a certain niche - - in fact the only record label that we have in common= would be vinny golia's 9winds, as each of us has been involved with at lea= st three (if not way more in nels' case) releases over the years.

for looping content: jeff k does trumpet and voice into v= arious manglers and then does looping into a dl4 (i've been trying to get h= im to get a second). i'll be spamming everyone next week for a gig in ventu= ra that will include myself, jeff k, ge stinson and trombonist scot ray doi= ng all improv - - i think that at least three of us will be doing looping (= i think scot will as well, but i'm not sure). 

in addition, jeff k is a good composer and improvisor.

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19546.8A93DCC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:34:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15638; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:08:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104135756.02a197e0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 14:06:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: HELP! prob with analog machine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yikes! any of you who could actually recognize an open reel of tape might have an opinion on this one. tascam 38 1/2" machine: deck is otherwise very clean and in good shape. tape track 2 often - but not always - will not return output to the console. our testing kitchens have confirmed the following: - it's not the snake - it's not the input channel - it does not seem to matter if noise reduction is engaged or not. - swapping the rec/repro card with that from another track changes nothing, the problem does NOT migrate. - i can see the meter moving - it just doesn't send much signal. occasionally i get about as much output as a bad case of crosstalk. - some nights 2 is fine. some nights it only works for a little while. some nights, it takes the night off. - i can't think of a single thing that's changed in the setup EXCEPT that the heat in my apt. came on with a vengeance this year, and it was like death valley in there for awhile - i have since turned the heat in that room off, the problem continues intermittently. your suggestions, commiserations, prayers and special hoo-doo effects are roundly invited. replies off-list are just fine. a: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:42:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16225; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:16:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:16:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048AD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ideology in looping? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:42:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19547.40403190" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19547.40403190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" (the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisation is surely a misnomer, no? though I suspect that the explaination would be that adherence to strict western metric rhythmic forms and melodic structures was not expressing freedom but rather pedaling the western musical hedgemonic paradigm or something... :o) ** well i agree with you - - it is a misnomer. i find it tedious when people feel the need to lok down on those that might integrate groove or tonality into their improvs. though, as a caveat, my opinion is that it can't really be only about those things because it becomes more of a "jam band" situation . . . semantics to be sure, but my 2 cents. though the only time I've ever seen him live was perhaps the most godawful cacophany that I've ever had the misfortune to be in the same room as - none of his usual expressive weirdness, just three blokes twatting about with a laptop, turntables and a guitar... I thought it was just me until the review in the Wire said the same thing, and anecdotally I heard that Derek wasn't mad keen on the evening either... :o) ** this is the nature of free improv, no? there is always the possibility of failure. at least that's what i like about it. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. 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(the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisa= tion is
surely a misnomer, no?  though I suspect that the e= xplaination would be that
adherence to strict western metric rhythmic forms and me= lodic structures was
not expressing freedom but rather pedaling the western m= usical hedgemonic
paradigm or something... :o)

** well i agree with you  - - it is a misnomer. i fi= nd it tedious when people feel the need to lok down on those that might int= egrate groove or tonality into their improvs. though, as a caveat, my opini= on is that it can't really be only about those things because it becomes mo= re of a "jam band" situation . . . semantics to be sure, but my 2= cents.

though the only time I've ever seen him live was
perhaps the most godawful cacophany that I've ever had t= he misfortune to be
in the same room as - none of his usual expressive weird= ness, just three
blokes twatting about with a laptop, turntables and a gu= itar... I thought it
was just me until the review in the Wire said the same t= hing, and
anecdotally I heard that Derek wasn't mad keen on the ev= ening either... :o)

** this is the nature of free improv, no? there is always= the possibility of failure. at least that's what i like about it. <= /P>

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19547.40403190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:44:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAB16465; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:20:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:20:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.236.134.25] From: "blue wolf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Memory For New EchoPlex Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 19:13:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 19:13:27.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[E339E150:01C19553] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi All,

Can anyone help me with finding memory for my new Echoplex. It only came with 12.5 seconds of recording time!

It uses 30-pin SIMMs with 120ns or better access time. I need four 4MB SIMMs.

Peace, Blue


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 16:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21781; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:42:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:42:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201042035.g04KZEn15598@chmls16.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:33:22 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re: HELP! prob with analog machine To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA21514 Resent-Message-ID: <1UmuYC.A.ZQF.DIhN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 ideas: 1. the obvious intermitent solder connection somewhere. look at the solder side of all boards with a magifing glass (or optivisors)...look for a grey concentric circle around the joint...this is the telltale sign of something that needs to be resoldered. if you are good with a soldering iron, go ahead and resolder anything that looks suspicious. 2. most (if not all) tape decks have a large multiple switch that selects between recording and playback. there are many contacts in this switch, and they often need to be cleaned. get some cleaner/lubricant inside there (even if you have to cut the corner off the housing with angle cutters to get it in)...this is a common problem with cassette decks, and i believe, reel to reels as well. deknow >> yikes! >> any of you who could actually recognize an open reel of tape might have an >> >> opinion on this one. >> tascam 38 1/2" machine: deck is otherwise very clean and in good shape. >> tape track 2 often - but not always - will not return output to the >> console. >> our testing kitchens have confirmed the following: >> - it's not the snake >> - it's not the input channel >> - it does not seem to matter if noise reduction is engaged or not. >> - swapping the rec/repro card with that from another track changes >> nothing, >> the problem does >> NOT migrate. >> - i can see the meter moving - it just doesn't send much signal. >> occasionally i get about as much output as a bad case of crosstalk. >> - some nights 2 is fine. some nights it only works for a little while. >> some >> nights, it takes the night off. >> - i can't think of a single thing that's changed in the setup EXCEPT that >> the heat in my apt. came on with a vengeance this year, and it was like >> death valley in there for awhile - i have since turned the heat in that >> room off, the problem continues intermittently. >> your suggestions, commiserations, prayers and special hoo-doo effects are >> roundly invited. >> replies off-list are just fine. >> a: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 16:06:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21859; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:44:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:44:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:34:29 -0800 Subject: EDP footpedal From: rob seiffert To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003401c18f00$c7551b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if anyone has an EFC-7 footpedal that they have been trying to sell or knows of one, i am trying to pick one up used before i resort to musicians friend. THANKS, -- rob seiffert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 17:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29443; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:22:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:22:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:16:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer Resent-Message-ID: <27CMG.A.vGH.7miN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One-third of the way down my Ampcast page ( http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn ) is "Lake Ambrose," which I did last night using Bitheadz' maddening loop software "Phrazer." Expert loopers will easily figure out what I'm doing with the samples. (The samples are thOnk (granular) warpings of my voice.) I just wanted to prove that it was possible to do something with this program, tho it fights me at every turn. So now if you know anybody making a horror movie taking place at a summer camp, send 'em my way for a soundtrack. . --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 18:24:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00735; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.a4e4e40.29678c10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:52:00 EST Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think steve lawson said: >the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisation is >surely a misnomer, no? 'free improv' is whatya make it, no? in my world, it's never truly free..... unless the players have damaged &/or short-circuited memories. otoh: in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for the 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements, eg riddim/melody/harmony/idiom. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 18:24:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00867; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:59:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:59:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <114.a4be7b6.29678c6c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:53:32 EST Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i haven't yet put an ideology into a loop..... i gotta try that w/high feedback lvls & and time-stretching! dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 19:02:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03646; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c19579$48e2f760$7b50e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <114.a4be7b6.29678c6c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:41:08 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i haven't yet put an ideology into a loop..... > i gotta try that w/high feedback lvls & and time-stretching! > dt / splattercell And what would be the results of playing it in reverse? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 19:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08003; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:32:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:32:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002f01c19579$48e2f760$7b50e540@sunspot> References: <114.a4be7b6.29678c6c@aol.com> <002f01c19579$48e2f760$7b50e540@sunspot> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:17:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And what would be the results of playing it in reverse? > self-dillusion? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10494; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:05:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:05:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C364FEA.F604215B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:59:21 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ZO6PB.A.JeC.v_kN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, I played around with Phrazer demo a bit and it seemed straight forward. Didn't seem to suit the way I make music though. I also toyed with Live by Ableton, and that seemed a bit better, though also not for me. Speaking of thOnk, a week ago I decided to WAY upgrade my Mac based hard drive recording system, and went with a MOTU Digital Performer 3 system. If you buy one of their audio interfaces they give you a competitive discount price for Digital Performer. I used the extra cash to get the Nautilus Bundle of DP3 plugins. One of the included effects was a real time granular synthesis module that INCREDIBLE. Really fun and amazing. Like thOnk, but in real time. Developed by the thOnk people, even. I can see myself spending a LOT of time with this effect, as it's almost an instrument in itself. It got me to thinking, is there any hardware box that does something like this? Stomp thOnk? The Space Station begins to touch on a similar sound, but not quite. Mark Sottilaro just john wrote: > One-third of the way down my Ampcast page ( http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn > ) is "Lake Ambrose," which I did last night using Bitheadz' maddening loop > software "Phrazer." > > Expert loopers will easily figure out what I'm doing with the samples. > (The samples are thOnk (granular) warpings of my voice.) I just wanted to > prove that it was possible to do something with this program, tho it fights > me at every turn. > > So now if you know anybody making a horror movie taking place at a summer > camp, send 'em my way for a soundtrack. > > . > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10919; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:13:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:13:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Silence in Looping Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:11:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL! I heard the interaction went like this: Coltrane (re: his own horn playing) "Miles, I have so much to say, I don't know how to say it." Miles: "Try taking the horn out of your mouth." -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Silence in Looping Coltrane once told Miles Davis he found it hard to stop playing sometimes and what could he do about that issue. Miles' reply was "Take the horn out of your mouth". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11337; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:18:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:18:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C364FEA.F604215B@zerocrossing.net> References: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:13:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hmmm, I played around with Phrazer demo a bit and it seemed straight forward. >Didn't seem to suit the way I make music though. I also toyed with Live by >Ableton, and that seemed a bit better, though also not for me. > One of the things that REALLY drives me nuts about Phrazer is the "CPU Limit Reached" message, which comes in an alert box and system beep. An indicator would do, but NOOOOOOOO! They have to break your connection with the whole interface to give you that useless message. So it's obvious some bozos in their programming shop don't understand the concept of "musical instrument." I bought it because I use their DS-1 software sampler. >Speaking of thOnk, a week ago I decided to WAY upgrade my Mac based hard drive >recording system, and went with a MOTU Digital Performer 3 system. If you buy >one of their audio interfaces they give you a competitive discount price for >Digital Performer. I used the extra cash to get the Nautilus Bundle of DP3 >plugins. One of the included effects was a real time granular synthesis >module that INCREDIBLE. Really fun and amazing. Like thOnk, but in real >time. Developed by the thOnk people, even. I can see myself spending a LOT >of time with this effect, as it's almost an instrument in itself. Yupper, I've used Riverrun a LOT -- the tracks "Surge" and "Method 23" on the Ampcast page are examples. >It got me >to thinking, is there any hardware box that does something like this? Stomp >thOnk? The Space Station begins to touch on a similar sound, but not quite. > Perhaps some list subscriber can take the design of such a thing on as a side project ... >Mark Sottilaro > >just john wrote: > >> One-third of the way down my Ampcast page ( http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn >> ) is "Lake Ambrose," which I did last night using Bitheadz' maddening loop >> software "Phrazer." >> >> Expert loopers will easily figure out what I'm doing with the samples. >> (The samples are thOnk (granular) warpings of my voice.) I just wanted to >> prove that it was possible to do something with this program, tho it fights >> me at every turn. >> >> So now if you know anybody making a horror movie taking place at a summer >> camp, send 'em my way for a soundtrack. >> >> . >> --- >> * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:55:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12245; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:32:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:32:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <59.1577153c.2967b003@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:25:23 EST Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scott@dreamstate.to writes: >And what would be the results of playing it in reverse? ermmmm..... where we are, now? dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12611; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:35:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:35:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:29:14 EST Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark writes: >One of the included effects was a real time granular synthesis >module that INCREDIBLE. Really fun and amazing. Like thOnk, but in real >time. Developed by the thOnk people, even. I can see myself spending >a LOT >of time with this effect, as it's almost an instrument in itself. It got >me >to thinking, is there any hardware box that does something like this? >Stomp thOnk? none that i've seen, though there's an awful lot of easily available software for this..... pluggo (msp/max), reaktor, & some more 'esoteric' stuff..... etc. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13373; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:46:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:46:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3658F9.900064F3@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 17:38:02 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > pluggo (msp/max), reaktor, & some more 'esoteric' stuff..... More esoteric than Pluggo?!?! Care to elaborate, DT? Most curious, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13645; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:50:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:50:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c1958a$d86c82a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP footpedal Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:46:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <8ImZpB.A.QPD.vplN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not try Trace Elliot? c ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob seiffert" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: EDP footpedal > if anyone has an EFC-7 footpedal that they have been trying to sell or knows > of one, i am trying to pick one up used before i resort to musicians friend. > > THANKS, > -- > rob seiffert > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13960; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:55:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:55:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 17:50:32 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003201c1958b$5c8e31a0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <12e.a4e4e40.29678c10@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT > 'free improv' is whatya make it, no? in my world, it's never truly free..... unless the players have damaged &/or short-circuited memories. Granted... Memory sometime sucks! *-) Although I'm fighting on the side of retention! > otoh: in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for the 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements, eg riddim/melody/harmony/idiom. dt / splattercell There's the rub... Damned if ya do; Damned if ya don't! It's a strange claustrophobic sorta feeling when the formal "FREE IMPROV" is used. I'm beginning to think avoiding it is the real trick... at least here in the SF Bay area. +!+!+!+!+!+!+!+! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:35:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16080; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:07:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >none that i've seen, though there's an awful lot of easily available software >for this..... pluggo (msp/max), reaktor, & some more 'esoteric' stuff..... >etc. I have pluggo and have liked its granular stuff. Also HAVE max/msp installed, but haven't done anything WITH it yet -- gotta learn the interface (I know it's not too difficult, but it's on a long list of stuff to learn.) Along with looping, granular tweakage is what I hope to to try, audiowise. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:42:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16604; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.207.15.13] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Field Recordings Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:10:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 02:10:14.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C9954F0:01C1958E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mary Jane, I do, and I use a plain old Sony voice-activated cassette recorder that I bought at The Good Guys. I didn't have the funds to buy a minidisc recorder, and wound up being very glad that I didn't. I love the sound characteristics, accessibility, and versatility-during-performance of tape. The recorder I use was about $100 (Sony TCM-50DV), but aside from having a nice tape movement mechanism, it's not noticeably better than a similar model I got for $40 (Sony TCM-20DV). Both of these can record and play at normal and half speed. They also both have a nice analog pitch wheel that can let you speed it up OR slow it down by about 20%. I also got a recorder at Radio Shack for about $75 (CTR-118) that probably doesn't record as well, but has an analog speed lever that goes from 75% to 200% speed, as well as a pitch changer that doesn't change the speed. All three of these are used in my current live setup. Matt Davignon >Hi, >I'm curious to know if any of you make field >recordings. What kind of portable/remote >equipment do you use? Special mikes? Suggested >techniques? Helpful books or web sites for more >info? > >Thanks! > >Mary Jane _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 22:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19879; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:59:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:59:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:45:16 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? Message-ID: <20020104204516.D5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <12e.a4e4e40.29678c10@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <12e.a4e4e40.29678c10@aol.com>; from Hedewa7@aol.com on Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:52:00PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:52:00PM -0500, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for the > 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements, eg > riddim/melody/harmony/idiom. > dt / splattercell This is the most insightful view of 'free' improvisation I think I've ever seen. Thank you dt! m craque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 22:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20716; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:15:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:15:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:01:05 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Message-ID: <20020104210104.F5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <43.45ed013.2965c523@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <43.45ed013.2965c523@aol.com>; from Hedewa7@aol.com on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:30:59AM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of Doepfer, do any loopers use either the Regelwerk or the Schaltwerk pattern sequencer? The Schaltwerk is something I wish I could afford for my live work - it looks like a really beautiful machine. m On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:30:59AM -0500, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > bill.wolf@ness-usa.com writes: > >A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option > >too. > peavey pc1600, midiman surface 1, doepfer regelwerk, etc. > (i use the peavey). > best, > dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 04:13:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08284; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:51:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:51:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020105090507.00dc0220@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:06:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer In-Reply-To: <3C364FEA.F604215B@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 16.59 04/01/02 -0800, you wrote: >It got me >to thinking, is there any hardware box that does something like this? Stomp >thOnk? The Space Station begins to touch on a similar sound, but not quite. I think Kyma is quite good at granular synthesis.... although it's not exactly a stomp box... ;) ciao leo www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 05:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11582; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:38:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:38:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c195cb$3ed794e0$815330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: infinite guitar system Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:26:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C195CB.0C216760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C195CB.0C216760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable im in the process of having an eight string guitar built to extend the = 'range' of my music. i am interested in a sustainer / infinite guitar = system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly no-one builds sustainers for eight = string guitars. so i was wondering if anyone had any information about = how i could build such a system thanks David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C195CB.0C216760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
im in the process of = having an eight=20 string guitar built to extend the 'range' of my music. i am interested = in a=20 sustainer / infinite guitar system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly no-one = builds=20 sustainers for eight string guitars. so i was wondering if anyone had = any=20 information about how i could build such a system
 
thanks
 
David
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C195CB.0C216760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 10:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29470; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:09:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105095438.00a6cbd0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:59:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Looping clothes?! In-Reply-To: <54.20a0cdaa.2965193e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This looks pretty interesting! (I'm not sure how reliable my sources are, but I'm told that's our own Michael Klobuchar modeling the plexiglass tutu... 8^P) -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 11:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01065; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:18:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:18:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:11:38 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: looping clothes (& performance style) X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The subject line of the last email got me thinking.... There's been a lot of back-n-forth here on the notion of looping live, and the potential audience reception (or lack thereof) to someone who seems to merit the term "manipulating" as much as "performing." (Using the former in a positive way, that is ... I certainly don't mean manipulating the audience.... or at least, if you are, hopefully you don't have TOO many evil intentions... :-) Anyway, my interest is: what do you do on the EXTRAmusical side of things, when performing loop-based music (in any setting) to better relate your approach to your audience? (assuming that not everyone in the audience will be familiar with live looping) All the stuff like lights, staging, band/performer setup, clothing, visual stuff (films, etc), other mood controlling devices.... what's your style? I'm also assuming we're not all looping at the local pub, and that we actually DO have control over the setting somewhat. I mean, looping is often close to sound art anyhow, so what I'm wondering is how we "install" ourselves. I'll start off: since I'm nearly always performing loop-based stuff at very "intimate" venues, I can have my way with nearly all aspects of the environment, so I'll keep the lights way down and focus a few colored lights at the stage area, and use the regular lighting at the back of the venue to just barely illuminate the rest of the room. I loop on solo guitar, and I run my rig into an amp, which is then miced and sent into a mixer with various delays and two Line 6 DL4s for looping on the effects sends. I send the mixer output in stereo to the PA, and through PA speakers which are placed as far stage right and left as I can get them. Also, in the far back corners of the room (or near the back row of audience, in the case of a seated concert) I'll put two floor wedge monitor speakers: the one in the right rear corner of the room gets the left channel of the PA signal, the one in the left rear corner gets the right channel. Since my stuff falls often into the "noise" category, while still being reluctantly (for lack of a better word) ambient, having sound all around the audience is, for me, part of the experience. Audiences generally seem into it; no one's complained about feeling fenced in, or anything.... :-) Aside from the speaker setup, and maybe burning incense on stage, that's my deal. I never dress up, usually staying as nondescript as I can, and I never talk to the audience. I'd love to experiment with playing along to abstract films, or other types of projections, but haven't yet. (The more eye-candy the better -- I'm not too much fun to watch, I wouldn't think) Alright, so .... anyone else? peace, Elio ---------------------------- http://www.mp3.com/delusions From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:04:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02183; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:40:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:40:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c19607$3e22f3a0$51144ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048AD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:37:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisation is > surely a misnomer, no? though I suspect that the explaination would be that > adherence to strict western metric rhythmic forms and melodic structures was > not expressing freedom but rather pedaling the western musical hedgemonic > paradigm or something... :o) > > ** well i agree with you - - it is a misnomer. i find it tedious when > people feel the need to lok down on those that might integrate groove or > tonality into their improvs. though, as a caveat, my opinion is that it > can't really be only about those things because it becomes more of a "jam > band" situation . . . semantics to be sure, but my 2 cents. ..but to be truly free it has to have room to morph into a jam band if that's where it goes. If the jam band tag becomes a stricture, or those things start to excert an influence beyond the music, the freedom has gone... :o) > though the only time I've ever seen him live was > perhaps the most godawful cacophany that I've ever had the misfortune to be > in the same room as - none of his usual expressive weirdness, just three > blokes twatting about with a laptop, turntables and a guitar... I thought it > was just me until the review in the Wire said the same thing, and > anecdotally I heard that Derek wasn't mad keen on the evening either... :o) > > ** this is the nature of free improv, no? there is always the possibility of > failure. at least that's what i like about it. Absolutely - hearing him be a bit rubbish didn't in anyway diminish my respect for him, it just meant that I was made rather starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the gig as a listener, and was left wanting... I guess if they'd all fallen about laughing, said 'sorry, that was crap' and started again, I'd have enjoyed it a bit more... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05000; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:09:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <85.15712368.29688b8d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:02:05 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > yikes! > any of you who could actually recognize an open reel of tape might have an > opinion on this one. > - i can see the meter moving - it just doesn't send much signal. > occasionally i get about as much output as a bad case of crosstalk. So does the meter move as normal, or just a little? Is the track Recording OK? ...or is this just a playback problem. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05227; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <116.a2c463f.29688cc2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:07:14 EST Subject: Re: Looping clothes?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_116.a2c463f.29688cc2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_116.a2c463f.29688cc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 10:04:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, tnelson@metrocast.net writes: > I'm told that's our own > Michael Klobuchar modeling the plexiglass tutu tim.....dont you remember thats the one i borrowed from you from your ganja farie daze.....i really didnt care for the steel-wool padding on the inside though.....:)m --part1_116.a2c463f.29688cc2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 10:04:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, tnelson@metrocast.net writes:


I'm told that's our own
Michael Klobuchar modeling the plexiglass tutu


tim.....dont you remember thats the one i borrowed from you from your ganja farie daze.....i really didnt care for the steel-wool padding on the inside though.....:)m --part1_116.a2c463f.29688cc2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05623; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:16:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:16:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:09:38 EST Subject: Re: looping clothes (& performance style) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06064; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:24:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <117.a77d72a.29688f44@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:17:56 EST Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_117.a77d72a.29688f44_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_117.a77d72a.29688f44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 11:37:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > I was made rather > starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the gig as a listener didnt buckaroo bonzai say "no matter where you go, there you are".....can we ever be free of our "suppositions"?.....:)m --part1_117.a77d72a.29688f44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 11:37:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


I was made rather
starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the gig as a listener


didnt buckaroo bonzai say "no matter where you go, there you are".....can we ever be free of our "suppositions"?.....:)m --part1_117.a77d72a.29688f44_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 13:57:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12047; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:33:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:20:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Phrase samplers for students? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My violist partner is interested in finding a recording device for use in her teaching, to provide instant audio feedback for herself and her students. It needs to be small, inexpensive, easy to use, and relatively self contained. The audio quality should be good enough that it won't make the student's playing sound worse than it is ;-) Any suggestions? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 14:09:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12969; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:30:20 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: infinite guitar system In-reply-to: <003e01c195cb$3ed794e0$815330d5@snowmonster> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: one less than none , LD mailing list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003e01c195cb$3ed794e0$815330d5@snowmonster> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:26 AM +0000 1/5/02, one less than none wrote: >im in the process of having an eight string guitar built to extend >the 'range' of my music. i am interested in a sustainer / infinite >guitar system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly no-one builds >sustainers for eight string guitars. so i was wondering if anyone >had any information about how i could build such a system Have you contacted the folks at Maniac Music? They're already making Sustainiac drivers for 7-string guitars. http://www.sustainiac.com/ info@sustainiac.com -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 15:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17790; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:51:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105144010.00a6d2a0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:40:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping clothes?! In-Reply-To: <116.a2c463f.29688cc2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:07 PM 1/5/02 -0500, you wrote: >tim.....dont you remember thats the one i borrowed from you from your >ganja farie daze.....i really didnt care for the steel-wool padding on the >inside though.....:)m Yowch! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 15:29:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19597; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:06:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:06:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:07:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? From: Paul Reisler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201051857.NAA13678@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3093088060_148177_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3093088060_148177_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I always liked the way Robert Frost spoke of our need for limitations in art-- "Writing free verse is like playing tennis with the net down." On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:52:00PM -0500, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for the > 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements, eg > riddim/melody/harmony/idiom. > dt / splattercell Paul Reisler Trapezoid PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com --MS_Mac_OE_3093088060_148177_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Ideology in looping?

I always liked the way Robert Frost spoke of our need for limitations in ar= t--  "Writing free verse is like playing tennis with the net down.= "

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:52:00PM -0500, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote:
> in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for= the
> 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements,= eg
> riddim/melody/harmony/idiom.
> dt / splattercell


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PO Box 38
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540.987.3164
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--MS_Mac_OE_3093088060_148177_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 15:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21006; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:35:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:35:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c19628$15bdc0e0$c2944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Field Recordings Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:32:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt wrote: >I use a plain old Sony voice-activated cassette recorder >I love the sound >characteristics, accessibility, and versatility-during-performance of tape. > >The recorder I use was about $100 (Sony TCM-50DV), but aside from having a >nice tape movement mechanism, it's not noticeably better than a similar >model I got for $40 (Sony TCM-20DV). Both of these can record and play at >normal and half speed. They also both have a nice analog pitch wheel that >can let you speed it up OR slow it down by about 20%. I'll second that. I purchased a Sony TCM-60DV last year to use for recording my music lessons in India. The microphone attachment worked quite well (my only complaint is the extremely thin wire). I'd point the mike toward my teacher and the lessons were captured very clearly. I was also able to record some concerts this way and they too came out well. In addition, I used the onboard microphone to record street sounds, temple bells/gongs/drumming, wedding processions, etc. and these also recorded well, although due to the louder outdoor settings (as well as maintaining a respectful distance) they tend to be noisier and grainier. All in all, I'd recommend it as a very worthwhile, inexpensive, workable tool. One loop-related footnote: Going out for a walk one day I decided to bring along a cassette of some loops I'd recently done and listen to them on headphones. I was a bit startled, because although I knew I'd made these loops, they sounded very strange and unfamiliar -- but really good, in fact, better than I'd remembered. It was only when one side ended and I went to flip the tape that I noticed that the speed control had been inadvertently pushed to the lowest position. So I'd been listening to them with the tempo slowed considerably and at a lower pitch. Kind of a pleasant surprise ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 17:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26897; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:52:43 EST Subject: Re: Who Needs Clothing? *LONG* Business Oriented To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about that empty Post from earlier in the day. I'm no Music Industry Expert, but These topics have been squarely in the center of my mind the last few weks as AKASH is about to perhaps move into a different realm of its commercial existence. >From being mainly a performance art collective into an "Entertainment-Package", AKASH is now more or less positioned to be sorta inspire the experience and behavior which audiences displayed toward The Rocky HOrror Picture Show without duplicating rocky horror. We want audiences to have the same repeat - over and over again experience with AKASH that people would have similar to like that they did have with Rocky Horror where relationships were built up around it and the movie not only was entertainment but the experince became the event and subsequent experiences were built around the movie...we want that type of experience but we want to make it more interactive and have an evolving story to be able to compensate for the amount of performers who come and go thru AKASH and also have stock characters who are available to individuals who can slip into them and both grow and adpat them quickly and professionally so that there is a continuity which can be counted upon by audiences to be deleivered and maintained by AKASH. & that means we are now adapting away from 90% improv to a more "scripted" and a lot more narrowly defined set of musical landscapes with a lot less full frontal nudity and more of an emphasis which is deliberately set at a level of certain R-Rated Sexual Content which is fit to be printed and or on the level of a Howard Stern MEdia System...But Who Needs Clothing? Try looping in a context-venue where 50 or more persons in your audience are having sex in front of you or all around you as they - the audience - are engaged in extreme Bondage or very explicit sexual acts...if you found yerself @ somethin like that, you'd have a gig that is very similar to what we have in AKASH. But how many robert fripps are there out there already and how many more of them can there be in such a narrow market & how are they ever gonna sustain themselves regardless as to who they are and or how good they are or will be? A lot of great musicians are understandably so wrapped up in the perspective of being a "good musician" as opposed to also simultaneously looking at what not only is contextual in terms of audience and performer relationships, but also in terms of the music industry where developing and connecting with an audience and also where both on the inside and outside getting paid etc, is all about and down to - meeting people who are going to put money in your pocket or getting a chance at connecting with people whom you can work with or encounter who will help you put money in theirs & your pockets. But to blance the art commerce thing takes a certain energy in personality and disposition of which I definitely dont naturally have or care to engage. but still I find myself improvising in that area and holding my own - sorta- but it is if you need 10 heads to talk together and also its challenging knowing you are reasonably intelligent person dealing with people in a music industry that think you really know nothing and treat you that way at times when for yrs before u met them you were the manufacturer, factory, sales, marketing, distribution, promotions, street-team and publicist all in one but suddenly you are dumb as you sit in an office environment - have not adapted to that one yet as we are also learning we dont have to like the people we do business with to do business with them and get what we need. and it seems IMHO to likewise hold that any musical endeavor which seeks to go beyond the garage is about not where you are at as much as it is about where you in turn are willing to Meet people where they are AT. That is something which you are either willing to do, conscious of or not able to do or motivated to not do. But unless you willingly play to an audience who appreciates "obscurity", it seems that those audiences who appreciate obscurity don't have $ depending upon the level of obscurity you're at. A hardcore "obscurirty" crowd tends to be other obscure musicians ( which is desirable and perfectly understandable) and or the people with whom you will perform at some other time. & I'm not saying obscurity is a bad thing as much as I am saying that getting paid for obscurity and seeing people make money while u perform at their establishment and not having them want to pay you is to be always expected becasue you have to have more to "show" for something more than than just your good performance-work when talking about pay in a commercial context, that all again comes down to perception and how well you mangage or direct-re-direct that energy or how you create a perception of value which is compelling to make someone feel that they shoud and need to pay you. It is simply not a realistic expectation to get paid for having obscurity unless you somehow invert the obscurity around somethinng audiences and also promoters do get and or would like to have/get or want to be like themselves becasue atthat point you are guraunteeing something in large quantities and consistently so to where promoters-booking agents know that to get you they will have to be competitive and equal to or better than what other venues pay to get you as that their investment in you is small compared to what their returns will be for them. And I'm not saying that you should expect to be treated unfairly..but rather I'm sayin that obscurity does have a price just as everything in this world does including te flip side of obscurirty - commercial - success. And also where even with an "obscure" audience that has $$$, they tend to only come out to "name" shows for the few artists they see and already know. But unless you are one of Those few who are already selling something you are almost intentionally shut out or you operate on how you are "PERceived" as being where that operative enegery is confirmed through others who are perceived to be doing or saying something... But in these business situations which are really manipulations of illusions - I personally still take serioulsy the illusions as they are all part of what ya encounter and have to be prepared to either respond to or react to in either a proactice or less than - leveraging - reactive manner. And another way to view the whole art vs commerce thing is that you must either have your own money to finance your wrk and thusly live by what you set your intentions to be and or you compromise ...but to what degree? ( compromise is something we are all literally born Doing IMHO ) Personal & Shared Goals can be acomplished collectively or individually but seeing both sides of where you play in terms of not justthe venue but the arena you will be a laeger part of regardless as to whether or how much you like "it- the industry-audiences-tastes, etc" or regardless as to what degree you agree with something, it is IMHO empowering and a conscious chance to prepare and position youself into creating other opportunities for you to continue to do and expand-share your musical experiences with others. But again, maybe if we were to consider where people are at and what we are doing and where we can at least meet them where they are at and then move them along to wherever weare at - that type of art is actually the most effective where in that process in addition to the time you spend crafting, developing or honing your skills you can not just preach to the choir but truly grow the flock and transform yourself without being swallowed up or lost or having to be marginalized. & I firmly believe that people dont really listen to music the ways in which they used to in the sense where their listening is a lot more passive with critical fucntions largely absent or dumbed down or in most cases IMHO actively ambivalent where until awakened &/or redirected elsewhere, people mainly go humming along to what is immediately available for them and especially so today where there is absolutely more music than ever available to anyone to pick and choose from and less interest on listeners part in experiencing new music as much as there is an emphasis on reinforcing imagery which is very group and herdlike for the masses ( not bad or good but its aesthetic currency depends on the messengers and their intentions and ability to tell a story beyond the herds but still success or reaching the masses beyond the choir doesnt happen becasue of that often i think it happens despite that aesthetic). People ( a commercial audience or an audience which would get entry-level-commercial-designation) could care less about the musical experiences we as musicians have had or what we seek to discover as that people's ambitions are not as great as they once were concerning listening and hearing music and in many instances, i dont even think they are aware of the dynamics of their relationship to music anymore. Also, the amount of time that people have or consciously and deliberately give their attention to music is something which they only marginally do. Music is less and less something which people are seeking out as it now doesnt really pay to guide people to other outlets or newer outlets unless they are your own and no one listens or cares that much when you do these days unless you are like everyone else IMHO. But to make all this stuff work ya (IMHO) gotta dumb down "marketing" of self and your complexities and speak and make others feel that you are on their simple and immediate-level and have the necessary tie ins which are able to be drawn to get others to buy "you" because thats how the message gets out today and with reptition and thru multiple Visual Associations you become transformed into a brand. Thats nothing new i would imagine to a maturing music industry, but it was never as true as it is today with so much music being present and so little interest and demand for new music which you would pay to receive. I'm also saying that today either you sell & are perceived as bankable or you have the perception of branding and an image which multiple people can buy into or rather you are perceived as a waste and marginal or worse IMHO labeled "experiemntaL" by people who woulnt know the meaning or experice of the word in 10,000 lifetimes. And as a maginalized-"experimental" act today there is less and less room to play with unless you have other ways of generating income form filmt tv radio etc., but there are to my knowledge only a handful of people who do that consistently enough to almost barely earn a decent living for themselves let alone the smaller handful who are considered top dogs in that arena who get fees. I also think IMHO any succesful commercial musical venture comes down to 1 or 2 things & the least of which is talent, copmetence and abilty :) The main key ingredient to starting a sort of commercial success is a to develop a connection with a significantly sizable audience ( an audience that spends $$$) engaged by making them wanna be like you or making them wanna do what you do or getting people to covet something you have where people can feel themselves in situations which they perceive you to be inside of which they themselves desire. But for AKASH having 5-10 naked female performers tends to always attract a crowd of at The Very Least, 150 persons and has also created a niche of sorts for us. Just the experience of seeing us perform in the venues where you would normally find us is keenly tied into the whole experience where by your just showing up becomes just as much part of the performance and relationship with existing and new memebers of our audience as does the performacne the musicians and Permers give on the stage. The idea of AKASH began as a joke which was a reaction to taking the on the face - absurdity of something like Fripp playing Pizza Hut and using that very same idea in the context of playing solo guitar shows in adult bookstores and going on tour wsith the concept ust for the sake of saying you did it...well....it turned out to be the most significant musical endeavor of my entire life as it has now grown to include some of my all time faves from the philly music scene ( elliott levin has been an idol of mine for years now and he is a full fledged member of AKASH) Our music doesnt have to be groundbreaking & it doesnt have to be profound or full of personal and shared transformations ( though we do aim just for that and wo do try to bring a classic reference to the quality of music where from as many perspectives as possible, you can or could relate to what we do and or take away something different if in fact you would so choose to see us beyond the sensationalism). But we dont market AKASH that way and we dont say look at how good our music is and how well we have developed our art/craft and its overall perspective as we offer & push a "package" of music, sex and fun..and even though we dont really rock, I think what we are doing is more traditional - rock n roll than what you would see most rock n roll bands who pump the power chords giving audiences these days :). & for us AKASH just needs to be whatever it asks the performers to be prepared for delievering and it really needs to operate in the sphere of 2 bubbles: creative intentions and commercial considerations ( Which is still part of your performance aside from the execution and creation of music from haed body, tool, etc) and where those 2 bubbles intersect or where we DO choose to Make them intersect as a Conscious Decision and how well we balance those decisions really is more or less where in the context of a commercial enity we try focus our collective considertaions and aim. AKASH is undoubtedly commercial, sensationalist, Warholian and Unapologetic, but it does make great marketing and tie ins & has gotten us great press locally here in Philly as well as providing us a vehicle where we definitely don't get paid by standard variable experimental musician wages...& thats not why we do it, but we sure don't play for free anymore and we are at this point, having the time of our lives and creating other opportunities to do other stuff which we want to do which is aside, separate and unrelated to AKASH. & after 3 yrs of playing for free in coffe shops, sex shoppes, art galleries, adult bookstores to private sex parties to private swingers clubs, to really bad go-go-bars and up into maintream niteclubs and more upscale alt-lifestyles communities, where all around the USA, we now do charge a very high premiuim ( for the music we play) which is somewhere very north of $1k for a whole evening ( but split that between 10-12 people and it is not that great though it is kinda - OK if you are playing out a lot and on the road a lot, which we dont do that often as we will pick up the pace in 2002 as we all say bye bye to day gigs ) and we now get that premium without having any airplay or hits and we can see a consistency developing where we are a brand now. Also, I'm a firm believer that give anybody $5-7million ( i wish we got that in our deal!) in seed $$$$ for advertising and an effective promotions-street team and in the 21st centurey if you can get your music used to sell sneekers, clothing and or other products, i'm absolutely certain that better than 85% of the time you will get a return on that investment. I'm a rigid believer that you can sell almost anything to anyone if you keep repeating a mantra ( regardless as to whther there is value or aesthetic merit to what you are selling ) and by buying up enough space where you can get other people to repeat your mantra that you will sell and be a huge success though not necassarily a long lasting flavor. Again, it is real simple to determine what people are into: People like msuic they hear and observe other people liking and enjoying and they buy what they see other people buying. It is that simple or sad. But if you realize that and consider where people are AT, it may have an impact on the audience you are connecting or about to connect to and how far you might be able to share/advance a dream. For AKASH the way/path to grow and the way to take what is perceived as difficult music and "art" - has been to co-brand and wheel and deal with fetish fashion retailers and sex toy vendors as well as various BDSM film producers, other Porn Performers and BDSM Magazines to market their products to our audience where they in turn use our imagery and name ( repetition and association again ) with their larger demographics which is a perpetual churn of sorts...& that has nothing to do with music but everything to do with reaching people and having what is as i'm told is having a credibility of sorts. We have been very very very fortunate and blessed to recently come into significant seed $$$ from a Porn Producer - GASP- of all things :) ... This backing company has paid for our 1st video "The ABC"s of Kinky Sex" which was recently shot on location @ NYC's legenday HELLFIRECLUB. The realtionship and $$$ and distribution and tie-ins we will get out of the association means marketing and distribution is not coming out of our pockets anymore but being split as we are now in effect a subsidiary of that company-backer and that we can now reach a larger - but still very targetted audience - and significantly expand our web presence with people who already know how to break and sell products of a competitive niche variety. But our demographic is and was deliberately and somewhat calculatedly chosen ( nothing too magical in that revelation & definitely not too artful it would seem but it was where we all were and have been as individuals and as being part of that demographic, we all know it quite well: Straight-Gay-BDSM Male and Female - Couples 25-50 who have incomes of over 50k+ and who are also inclined to be members of private-exclusive clubs and or pay high premiums for their fetish indulgences as well as actively engage with other people in public in dwtwn areas of major USA cities. Subsequently, there is a Huuuuuuuuuuuuge market there with that as with the demographic we have chosen they are cocnsistent, loyal and willing to pay premiums for perceived value and we also get a currency with Goth Kids 18-24 who have all the traits of the older folks we appeal to. But also note hat the 25-50's like to consider themselves hip but arent ready for smooth jazz or celine dion and dont wanna listen to the cure over and over again and they are child-free and not ready to blend into the backdrop of surburbia or picket fence living - at least not completely as they are looking for enertainment which is decidely adult, adventurous and also different from the choices they have made for them by other media; this crowd actually does care what they listen to and is open more so to more adventurous stuff - even though we are not really that out there - contextually and based upontheir experience we are the most radical musical things they have heard in a long time - we dont lecture or play history professors to our audience becasue that is not what they want or what we need to do for them :) So the key thing for AKASH was to create a demand and develop a niche which we could be able to plug into and get cocnsistent responses from and get paid considerably better ( having a team of 7-12 persons is high overhead) than the local pubs or venues where everyone else plays and where they shaft you with charges here and there regardless as to how many persons you bring out to the venue. Also by getting press but not being as accesable as other Bands we created a demand by being around Philly all the time without being in the usual places which kinda has spared us from the lenegdary Philly Backlash as thatwe are from a very small town City which is extremely tough on outsiders but even tougher on its own kinfolk. But i would say our stuff is definitely more of an entertainment oriented perspective/vehicle where the emphasis is directly on the strory telling aspects of visual performance and within the venues alongwith the music which is used as a backdrop to the overall AKASH experience we provide. Others here would choose a more purist route and decry the commecialization we are doing of certain elements of the avant garde ( of sorts ) , but we constantly love to mix the mudance, serious, sexual, religious, absurd, purient, as well as commercial and contemporary with satire, subversive inversion as well as ritual where both the goddess & whore think as one. The clothes or lack of clothing do make the audience show up in many & most instances. But even with that lack of clothing & with crass sensationalism in place, there still has to be something there of which a perforner-entertainer-musician has connected with a Story - where in turn a performer can effectively translate and communicate that dialog with others - other than themselves or the un-initiated. Again, I'm no music industry expert, but part of the tricks to the art-commerce thing seems to be able to pull of a delicate balancing act which is conscious but not self conscious and to strive to be Perceived as Relevant without being marginalized and still Creative without making people feel they have been left behind by you and ultimately coming down to you being who you are and the person you need to be as you are only & always who you are, no matter what mask you use to hide your face. My best and funniest moment doing all of this was last year at a swingers club where a very beautiful - natural bodied ( rare these days ) Blonde Porn star came up to me after our set and said that her orgasm rode the waves of the guitar solo i had played...and shucks, I just blushed and said to her - "thank you" as I thought to myself that it was really "A Hard Days Night", and I chuckled to myself as we broke down our gear and went home and said goodnite. Warm Regards, JP/AKASH BUY THE NEW AKASH CD: "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT" www.akashmusic.com www.mp3.com/akashmusic REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 17:48:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28925; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:24:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:24:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 17:18:07 -0500 Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1TTadB.A.B_G.ku3N8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice john.... Question... How long do you leave thonk running to process those files?... And yeah, I downloaded phrazer only to be sorely disappointed... Back to logic. Wish Acid was written for us... But great work, thanks for sharing... On 1/4/02 5:16 PM, "just john" wrote: > One-third of the way down my Ampcast page ( http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn > ) is "Lake Ambrose," which I did last night using Bitheadz' maddening loop > software "Phrazer." > > Expert loopers will easily figure out what I'm doing with the samples. > (The samples are thOnk (granular) warpings of my voice.) I just wanted to > prove that it was possible to do something with this program, tho it fights > me at every turn. > > So now if you know anybody making a horror movie taking place at a summer > camp, send 'em my way for a soundtrack. > > > . > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 20:26:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07134; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:03:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c1959c$e468e140$752853c8@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: Breakdown | Fw: infinite guitar system Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:56:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C1956A.992E39A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C1956A.992E39A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Christian Leduc=20 To: breakdown@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Breakdown | Fw: infinite guitar system Hi, About the sustainer, I think that Maniac Music do make a custom version of their Sustainiac = if you ask them... I think it's 50$ more per string or for the driver = itself, I'm not sure... Well, the better way to know is by asking = them... www.sustainiac.com=20 About creating a similar device, you should read the informations = gathered on Chad's web site about Brook's system and read the patent = application made by Alan Hoover of Maniac Music.. I think the web site = for this is: www.delphion.com or something like that... It costs a = couple of bucks (3, I think) to have the informations on a PDF format.=20 And I think you should know a lot of things about general electronics, = electro-magnetism, amplifiers... stuff like that..=20 Best,=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ren=E9=20 To: breakdown@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Breakdown | Fw: infinite guitar system ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel=20 To: breakdown@egroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Fw: infinite guitar system ----- Original Message -----=20 From: one less than none=20 To: LD mailing list=20 Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:26 AM Subject: infinite guitar system im in the process of having an eight string guitar built to extend the = 'range' of my music. i am interested in a sustainer / infinite guitar = system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly no-one builds sustainers for eight = string guitars. so i was wondering if anyone had any information about = how i could build such a system thanks David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk Your use of Yahoo! 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Hi,
 
About the sustainer,
 
I think that Maniac Music do make a = custom version=20 of their Sustainiac if you ask them... I think it's 50$ more per = string or=20 for the driver itself, I'm not sure... Well, the better way to know is = by asking=20 them... www.sustainiac.com =
 
About creating a similar device, you = should read=20 the informations gathered on Chad's web site about Brook's system and = read the=20 patent application made by Alan Hoover of Maniac Music.. I think the web = site=20 for this is: www.delphion.com or = something=20 like that... It costs a couple of bucks (3, I think) to have the = informations on=20 a PDF format. 
 
And I think you should know a lot of = things about=20 general electronics, electro-magnetism, amplifiers... stuff like that..=20
 
Best, 
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im in the process of = having an eight=20 string guitar built to extend the 'range' of my music. i am interested = in a=20 sustainer / infinite guitar system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly = no-one=20 builds sustainers for eight string guitars. so i was wondering if = anyone had=20 any information about how i could build such a system
 
thanks
 
David
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C1956A.992E39A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 10:38:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22158; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:13:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:13:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <116.a379454.2969c200@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:06:40 EST Subject: Adelante @ Chestnut Hill Borders, Phila. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Sticknews@aol.com, STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, taptalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Adelante" Appearing...Sunday January 20th, 2002 -- 2:00 to 4:00pm @Borders Books & Music Cafe Chestnut Hill/Philadelphia 8701 Germantown Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19118 (215)248-1213 Admission Free "Adelante" is: J.Jody Janetta - Fretless Bass Paul Mimlitsch - Guitar/ Stick SB8/ Textures Tony Mascara Jr. - Drums/Percussion/Vibes/Marimba/ Adelante's website is: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html Peace...Jody, Paul and Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 13:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30726; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:53:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Gig spam, San Francsico, tonight Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:46:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C19696.F94DA280" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2002 17:46:12.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[07CEE100:01C196DA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C19696.F94DA280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wohoo! my first gig spam. I'm playing solo - chapman stick, echoplex, repeater, a hardware = sequencer and lots of effects. Wish me luck, or come on by. The door person has been instructed to let = in anyone who looks like the picture on Kim Flint's driver's license, or = with an electrix or emu/ensoniq corporate id. It's also the first time a web site that was actually important to me = got compromised by some asshole from the eastern block - the = dub-beautiful collective's web site is down, so there's not much to see = there other than grafiti right now. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Sunday Jan.6.02 subzero frequencies kicks off the new year with live drum & bass and IDM live performances from: the jump cut [drum and bass] and sserendipity [downtempo & IDM] guest DJ: DF Tram live art painted by: spaze crafte one Hush Hush Lounge 496 14th [at Guerrero] in the Mission - San Francisco, CA. 8p-12a, $5, 21+ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.dub-beautiful.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C19696.F94DA280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wohoo! my first gig = spam.
 
I'm playing solo - chapman stick, echoplex, repeater, a = hardware=20 sequencer and lots of effects.
 
Wish me luck, or come on by. The door person has been = instructed to let=20 in anyone who looks like the picture on Kim Flint's = driver's=20 license, or with an electrix or emu/ensoniq corporate id.
 
It's also the first time a web site that was actually important = to me=20 got compromised by some asshole from the eastern block - the = dub-beautiful=20 collective's web site is down, so there's not much to see there other = than=20 grafiti right now.
 
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Sunday=20 Jan.6.02
subzero frequencies kicks off the new year with live drum = & bass=20 and IDM

live performances from:
the jump cut [drum and=20 bass]
and
sserendipity [downtempo & IDM]

guest DJ: DF=20 Tram

live art painted by:
spaze crafte one

Hush Hush=20 Lounge
496 14th [at Guerrero]
in the Mission - San Francisco,=20 CA.
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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C19696.F94DA280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 13:53:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00930; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:30:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:30:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:25:01 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Gig spam, San Francsico, tonight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ssrndpty@hotmail.com Message-id: <005901c196df$7458bad0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <35AD5.A.CI.0YJO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What a coincidence ... I play bass in Jump Cut! I think the schedule for tonight at the Hush Hush is: 8:00 - 9:00 DF Tram 9:00 - 10:00 Jump Cut 10:00 - 11:00 sserendipity See you tonight ... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Gig spam, San Francsico, tonight Wohoo! my first gig spam. I'm playing solo - chapman stick, echoplex, repeater, a hardware sequencer and lots of effects. Wish me luck, or come on by. The door person has been instructed to let in anyone who looks like the picture on Kim Flint's driver's license, or with an electrix or emu/ensoniq corporate id. It's also the first time a web site that was actually important to me got compromised by some asshole from the eastern block - the dub-beautiful collective's web site is down, so there's not much to see there other than grafiti right now. ======================================================= Sunday Jan.6.02 subzero frequencies kicks off the new year with live drum & bass and IDM live performances from: the jump cut [drum and bass] and sserendipity [downtempo & IDM] guest DJ: DF Tram live art painted by: spaze crafte one Hush Hush Lounge 496 14th [at Guerrero] in the Mission - San Francisco, CA. 8p-12a, $5, 21+ ======================================================= http://www.dub-beautiful.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 15:27:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06168; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:52:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Nice john.... > >Question... How long do you leave thonk running to process those files?... > Lessee ... I used five basic samples, tweaked into seven loops ... I'd guess three of the five came from maybe an hour of thOnking, then a half hour of searching out the best bits within the larger thOnk output files. The other two were short and complete unto themselves, after maybe five minutes of thOnking. (For those who haven't heard thOnked stuff: Check out my mp3.com page. Almost everything with the genre "Noise" or "Dark Ambient/Noise" is thOnk output, as is my whole album there, "Turbine Thrust Tests." (And that name should give you an idea of what it sounds like.)) >And yeah, I downloaded phrazer only to be sorely disappointed... Back to >logic. Wish Acid was written for us... > >But great work, thanks for sharing... > Thanks. What's weird is that in three days this has become my most-played track on Ampcast, played almost as much as all my other 20 or so tracks put together have EVER been played. And I announced it here and at http://www.electronicbboard.com/ only. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 15:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07826; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:02:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:02:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.196.130] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:56:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2002 19:56:05.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D29FFE0:01C196EC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I was wondering what tasks those of you, that have both the EDP and the Repeater in your looping rigs, assign to the each unit? Does each have a strength(or strengths) that make it more suitable for certain looping jobs than the other? Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 15:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08201; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:08:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:08:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:57:57 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: microphones for field recording X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I happened upon a supplier of tiny electret microphones and accessories, suitable for field recording. I haven't tried them, but they're cheap and they come in a variety of useful configurations for "stealth" recording. http://www.reactivesounds.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 15:53:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09644; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:30:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:30:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:16:22 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Rainer Straschill Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wormz... Message-ID: <20020106141622.O5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <20020101160953.A2523@ratamacue.sounding.com> <000e01c193f4$a2256eb0$fe78a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000e01c193f4$a2256eb0$fe78a8c0@SATAN>; from rs@moinlabs.de on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:18:31AM +0100 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:18:31AM +0100, Rainer Straschill wrote: > could you please tell us (me) a bit more about your activities in > "improvised dance music" ? It comes from two directions: A) my deep involvement with improvised music, and B) my desire to see more real musicianship and spontaneity in electronic "dance" music. Those two meet in the middle with an aesthetic for experimental sound combined with stuff that can really groove. I think we greatly underestimate the ability of people to enjoy new sounds within old contexts. My experiment with dance music extends from free improv work with live sampling of objects and instruments - including my voice - in a very avant-garde mode of operation. Depending on the situation, I may or may not combine these with synth sounds and more driving elements of the groove... oftentimes I enjoy working in a very ambient sort of mode, where the beat and rhythms actually emerge out of the improvisation, but which may escalate into something much more upbeat or not. When I'm working in pure improvisation, it is a lot about bringing the same indeterminacy and element of surprise into live electronica that is present in a lot of live improvised music in other disciplines. Obviously, as folks have pointed out, this works better in some situations than others... and I'm actually working now on a new mode of operation where I'm mixing improvisation with pre-sequenced elements to create a somewhat more energetic and "fun" sound. I guess what it is I'm really doing is "building" my own electronic instrument and method for improvisation - I'm constructing my boundaries and freedoms in a multitude of ways in order to provide multiple paths of musical exploration. Some of my more successful attempts are documented on http://craque.net . mrd . . craque . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 18:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18220; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:40:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:40:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:27:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Chris Olden [mailto:chrisolden@hotmail.com] > Hello, > I was wondering what tasks those of you, that have both the > EDP and the Repeater in your looping rigs, assign to the > each unit? Does each have a strength(or strengths) that > make it more suitable for certain looping jobs than the > other? > Thanks! > Chris Olden Hi Chris, I like to sync them by midi clock and have EDP as master and Repeater as slave. This way Repeater follows if I have different tempi in the EDP loops. I can also do a "solo break" by pressing the EDP rec pedal to play a new line into the loop, and have the Repeater stop during the break and to start when I close that EDP loop. I tend to look at the EDP as the "soloist" in this set up and Repeater as "the band". I also like to keep the EDP insert pedal for reversed recording. Another thing I'm experimenting with is using a sequencer slaved to the Repeater and feeding it with controller data for rhythmic panning of track 3 and 4 (usually use 16ths and triads). The seq also feeds track 2 with a controller for pitching down on octave (for bass). Initially I tried feeding volume data as well (for gating the sound), but this got too stiff for improvising. I only need to use a one bar midi loop in the sequencer for this, and the good thing with this is that if you change the pitch of repeater (by cc14) you get the bass track back into the basement afterwards. You also get the bass track right when creating a new, or changing loop on repeater. I don't have an expression pedal yet but when I'm getting one I will try out the cc14 havoc thing with Repeater. I have experimented with putting that controller in Logic (synced to repeater) and it seems that Repeater is coming back fine in sync again (to EDP) after some heavy cc14 berserking. Someone already tested this? I have not had time yet to go deeply into putting the EDP in the Repeater FX loop. (reports on this appreciated ;-) Best Per Boysen Sweden From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 20:51:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28688; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:27:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:27:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:12:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I understand where you're coming from if you're trying to decide between the two units. Its a tough choice. And working with the two together? The possibilities are mind boggling, but for myself, I find I reach for one or the other, at different times. Maybe in a few months I'll overcome my option anxiety and try some experiments like Per has done. I still find that there are unexplored reaches in each box *alone*. (Harkening back to that thread on limits, there is something musical about having them) I have both and was going to sell my EDP (the RPTR is amazing!) but backed off, realizing that, as people have said: the EDP is better for live playing. esp vis a vis working with multiple loops; going from record straight to overdub; having many deep realtime options with immediate response. Great interactivity for improvisation where the EDP is like an ultra-responsive instrument, a mirror of your playing. But its only mono, and has no effects loop or storage... For me, Repeater is more of a 'composition' oriented machine with its multiple tracks and file system. Also its wonderful for DJ type stuff or 'post production' with its effects loop, pitch shift features, and ability to move phrases around on an individual track basis. I find with the RPTR I more often than with EDP take my hands off my instrument, in order to work the midi sliders and effects parameters. BTW having that effects loop is fantastic, and exponentially ups the ante for timbral and rhythmic exploration. Not to speak of the sounds obtained by lowering the tempo to 10 or so without changing pitch :-) Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 02:32:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09991; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:03:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:49:48 -0800 Subject: Freedom's just another word.... To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c19607$3e22f3a0$51144ed5@zetnet.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk of free improv has been spinning about in my head. The idea of completely eschewing the basics of western (or any other) musical tradition (you know, those really tedious things like rhythm, melody, & scales) seems rather counterproductive if you want an audience. & here I'm certainly not advocating pandering to the audience. Instead you're giving the audience a foothold to help guide them into a musical world that quite often is rather foreign and challenging to them. There are just not that many folks who can be plopped down in the middle of some particularly twisted improv & feel immediately comfortable. An example of the sort of thing I'm talking about would be Art Ensemble of Chicago's "Charley M"--starts off as a really smooth jazzy number, goes into this crazy place without ever getting lost, comes out intact on the other side. I personally like this approach (quite common in free jazz, not so common in stuff that leaves jazz aside)--otherwise it's almost necessary that the audience be as well versed in the form as the performers themselves. Now, I'm not saying there aren't exceptions. Certainly, as an artist develops something of a rep/following, she may be able to start from a more remote outpost without losing the bulk of her audience. And sometimes the artist can pull off pushing the audience into the deep end sans water wings. This happened to me (as audience member) when I saw AMM--I had no idea who they were even, but I was absolutely blown away by them. Of course, this is all just the opinion of an outsider looking in. I mostly listen to/play pop (in its many variations), but as an audience member/occaasional participant in the, umm, wilder side of things, I have experienced some fairly amazing stuff. But at other times I feel like I'm trying to learn quantum physics by staring at equations. It can be quite a frustrating experience. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 04:41:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09414; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Reply-To: cave@osk.3web.ne.jp Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:08:38 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: European Loopers.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have live gig schedule at Holland and Switzerland (maybe go through Germany) at 9th Feb-22th 2002. I want to play extra gigs in Holland,Belgium,Germany etc.. If someone have schedule of gigs in this Feb,I could play with you?? Please contact via Email.. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 05:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13017; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:10:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:10:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:03:55 -0800 Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7ABF5832-034D-11D6-8445-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although I do love my Repeater, I do admit that, while I can live without going straight into overdub (I just tend to start my sequence and loop at the same time, let it record blank, and then open it back up for rec) but I totally miss the ability to define the loop time (in measures) while synching off a MIDI clock. In other words, "Give me a 4 bar loop starting...NOW." and then have the Repeater end the loop automatically at the end of the fourth bar. I could also go for some MIDI triggered automation, such as having a single message = a feedback % There could be a bunch of short cuts like that to free up your hands during a gig, but overall the flexibility of the Repeater makes it worth the extra knob twiddling. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have the tendency to overplay anyway, and it's good to leave a loop alone for a bit while you deal with another aspect of your performance. Mark On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 05:12 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > > > I understand where you're coming from if you're trying to decide > between the > two units. Its a tough choice. And working with the two together? The > possibilities are mind boggling, but for myself, I find I reach for one > or > the other, at different times. Maybe in a few months I'll overcome my > option > anxiety and try some experiments like Per has done. I still find that > there > are unexplored reaches in each box *alone*. (Harkening back to that > thread > on limits, there is something musical about having them) > > I have both and was going to sell my EDP (the RPTR is amazing!) but > backed > off, realizing that, as people have said: the EDP is better for live > playing. > esp vis a vis working with multiple loops; going from record straight > to > overdub; having many deep realtime options with immediate response. > Great > interactivity for improvisation where the EDP is like an > ultra-responsive > instrument, a mirror of your playing. But its only mono, and has no > effects > loop or storage... > > For me, Repeater is more of a 'composition' oriented machine with its > multiple tracks and file system. Also its wonderful for DJ type stuff > or > 'post production' with its effects loop, pitch shift features, and > ability > to move phrases around on an individual track basis. I find with the > RPTR I > more often than with EDP take my hands off my instrument, in order to > work > the midi sliders and effects parameters. BTW having that effects loop is > fantastic, and exponentially ups the ante for timbral and rhythmic > exploration. Not to speak of the sounds obtained by lowering the tempo > to 10 > or so without changing pitch :-) > > > > Neil Goldstein > Portland, Oregon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 05:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13332; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:15:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:15:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c1975b$659a1760$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: Behringer/Repeater questions. Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:12:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19718.554E7920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19718.554E7920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few questions about the Repeater and the new Behringer midi = controller-=20 1: Is there a way to set the fx insert to be before or after the input? = My idea is to be able to switch the EDP before/after Rptr on the fly-=20 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted = as if it was using the old 1.0 OS as far as some program changes are = concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to make sure = and same problem- any ideas? 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2: My friend brought his Behringer = controller over-=20 and the Rptr acted as if it was using the old 1.0 OS as far as some = program=20 changes are concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to = make=20 sure and same problem- any ideas?
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19718.554E7920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 07:51:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21716; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <14.2075b02e.296adeda@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:22:02 EST Subject: Re: Freedom's just another word.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Instead you're giving > the audience a foothold to help guide them into a musical world that quite > often is rather foreign and challenging to them. There are just not that > many folks who can be plopped down in the middle of some particularly > twisted improv & feel immediately comfortable. I think there's maybe an idea that music such as is labelled 'free-improv', 'avant-garde', or 'experimental' is unfamiliar to audiences, and that this is the root of its unpopularity. ...but that stuffs been going since the 60's, (at least). and while the exponents may feel themselves to be at the 'cutting edge of musical exploration' the negative reaction I've most often witnessed is 'oh no! they're doing that stuff again' ( but mostly there's just a small audience of appreciative fans) To hint that the potential audience is in some way to blame for being not well educated enough isn't very helpful. People appreciate Beethoven (for instance) without knowing how 'clever' it is. I was struck by Steve Lawson's suggestion that 'serious improvisers' might stop what they were playing and have a bit of a laugh with the audience if things didn't go well. sorry Steve, those guys never smile;-) So I'd say that 'free-improv'/ 'avant-garde'/'experimental' is a genre in the same way as Rock and Roll before it, and Progressive Rock after it. Let's not knock it, it's a genre which has produced superb music (and still does), but let's not give it 'special' status beyond other genres. andy butler (next one on-topic, promise) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 08:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22216; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:43:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:43:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:37:01 EST Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/7/02 9:05:21 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: << I could also go for some MIDI triggered automation, such as having a single message = a feedback % There could be a bunch of short cuts like that to free up your hands during a gig, but overall the flexibility of the Repeater makes it worth the extra knob twiddling. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have the tendency to overplay anyway, and it's good to leave a loop alone for a bit while you deal with another aspect of your performance. >> Same here. I recently went back, from a pedal board based looping set up, to a rack based system and have the Repeater in the top space of a 12 space SKB rack, where, when seated in front of it, I have access to all the digital tweakage needed - changing feedback, jumping from track to track, cueing loops, etc. Until Electrix implements a midi pedal initiated fade function, or visual cues as to where the "feedback" level is when controlled via midi, I'm perfectly happy with the 3 button footswitch and hands on tweakage. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:13:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29369; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:40:35 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP footpedal From: rob seiffert To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c1958a$d86c82a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/4/02 5:46 PM, Om_Audio at clifsound@mediaone.net wrote: > Why not try Trace Elliot? what are the benefits of the trace elliot over the edp pedal? -- rob seiffert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31835; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: Behringer/Repeater questions. Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:07:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001901c1975b$659a1760$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: <0OdjM.A.tqH.7nbO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There seems to be a number of typos in the new manual... Alan -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer/Repeater questions. A few questions about the Repeater and the new Behringer midi controller- 1: Is there a way to set the fx insert to be before or after the input? My idea is to be able to switch the EDP before/after Rptr on the fly- 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted as if it was using the old 1.0 OS as far as some program changes are concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to make sure and same problem- any ideas? Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:52:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00651; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:27:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:27:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Mon, 7 Jan 02 08:42:24 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:20:38 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Field Recordings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA00379 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the microcassette realm, I've happened upon (for free!) an old sony dictation playback machine that has a footswitch for controlling certain functions and sliders for playback speed, rewind speed (?) and volume. It has a small digital counter display and a line out as well. I haven't incorporated it into anything yet thoug, although it could prove interesting.... -K >>> "matt davignon" 01/04/02 08:20PM >>> Hi Mary Jane, I do, and I use a plain old Sony voice-activated cassette recorder that I bought at The Good Guys. I didn't have the funds to buy a minidisc recorder, and wound up being very glad that I didn't. I love the sound characteristics, accessibility, and versatility-during-performance of tape. The recorder I use was about $100 (Sony TCM-50DV), but aside from having a nice tape movement mechanism, it's not noticeably better than a similar model I got for $40 (Sony TCM-20DV). Both of these can record and play at normal and half speed. They also both have a nice analog pitch wheel that can let you speed it up OR slow it down by about 20%. I also got a recorder at Radio Shack for about $75 (CTR-118) that probably doesn't record as well, but has an analog speed lever that goes from 75% to 200% speed, as well as a pitch changer that doesn't change the speed. All three of these are used in my current live setup. Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 11:51:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05539; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:26:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:26:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 10:17:52 -0500 Subject: Lawson looping gig fiasco... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, so I'm an idiot... I see steve and andre's posts about the gig tonite at the knitting factory, Sunday, and I say, whoa, the community will meet... And I rush down to the knitting factory to see them both, anxious to meet my fellow artists, hear the music and hang... DUMBASS even wore his LD t-shirt to the gig, I'm just that corny... It's raining cats and dogs out and I'm tired anyway, having just flown back from... ......California. Thought you all might enjoy that... I think I'm reading these posts too fast T. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 12:41:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13110; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107121450.02a7bb50@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:16:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: whither studiomaster? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone have info about studiomaster? i have been trying to contact them to no avail... no one answers the cali number, and the UK number seems to have been disconnected... anyone got news on a possible bellyupification on them? thnks! a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 13:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14560; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:39:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:39:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <190.bd9ba5.296b35d7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:33:11 EST Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com todd wrote, >I see steve and andre's posts about the gig tonite at the knitting factory, >Sunday, and I say, whoa, the community will meet... And I rush down to >the >knitting factory to see them both, anxious to meet my fellow artists, hear >the music and hang... DUMBASS even wore his LD t-shirt to the gig, I'm >just >that corny... It's raining cats and dogs out and I'm tired anyway, having >just flown back from... > >......California. well, to be fair: herr lawson did say something about the 'world-famous' knitting factory, which would certainly lead one to believe that they were playing knitting factory/ny. *-) btw, fwiw: 'the knitting factory' is also sometimes known amongst a buncha musicians as 'the plantation'. *-) best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 13:50:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18960; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:26:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:19:55 -0500 Subject: Mastering software From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com quick question: I saw a post about the Ozone mastering software (a direct x plugin) not too terribly long ago, and gave the demo a try, but my recording software isn't too fond of direct x plugins (I crash every time I try to apply one). Does anyone use some stand-alone mastering software? Or could recommend any? I have both mac and pc at home, so the platform doesn't matter ... thanks! mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 13:57:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19617; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c197a8$da3e4b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:26:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it is pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that occurs is great- totally different moods etc- c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 13:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19502; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:33:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:33:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c197a8$d9766740$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions. Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:12:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <6xMeoC.A.1qE.qheO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which manual? lol c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Barnard" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: RE: Behringer/Repeater questions. > There seems to be a number of typos in the new manual... > > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Behringer/Repeater questions. > > > A few questions about the Repeater and the new Behringer midi controller- > > 1: Is there a way to set the fx insert to be before or after the input? My > idea is to be able to switch the EDP before/after Rptr on the fly- > > 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted as if > it was using the old 1.0 OS as far as some program changes are concerned- > worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to make sure and same > problem- any ideas? > > Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:00:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19875; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:37:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:37:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c197a8$d9d1f4c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP footpedal Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:13:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Trace Elliot actually manufactures the EDP and footpedals- that's all. :) c ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob seiffert" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: EDP footpedal > on 1/4/02 5:46 PM, Om_Audio at clifsound@mediaone.net wrote: > > > Why not try Trace Elliot? > > what are the benefits of the trace elliot over the edp pedal? > -- > rob seiffert > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23105; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:07:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:07:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:01:07 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04f201c197ad$a9ef8e70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5331AB79-0133-11D6-AE3E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... >"Ah...Bach." ... > ... i remember this one well... ahhhhh > > So next time you want to seem like what you do has some deep > intellectual meaning, just say something like, "I'm trying to transcend > futurism" or "I'm trying to take the principals that Carl Jung put forth > to my music." These should work like a charm, and are probably (though > not importantly) true. > > Good luck, > > Mark Sottilaro what about "I'm reaffirming the picture plane" (one of my favorites) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:33:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23443; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:10:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:10:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:56:06 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mastering software Message-ID: <20020107125606.T5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from feeneymike@yahoo.com on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:19:55PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com T-Racks. You can't go wrong. http://www.t-racks.com/ m On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:19:55PM -0500, Mike Feeney wrote: > > > quick question: I saw a post about the Ozone mastering software (a > direct x plugin) not too terribly long ago, and gave the demo a try, but my > recording software isn't too fond of direct x plugins (I crash every time I > try to apply one). Does anyone use some stand-alone mastering software? Or > could recommend any? I have both mac and pc at home, so the platform > doesn't matter ... > > thanks! > > mike > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24332; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:23:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:23:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:15:43 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c197af$b3f6ee20$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <190.bd9ba5.296b35d7@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the Repeater being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 which I use mostly for reverb. It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then begin soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and distort. I know this isn't necessarily caused by the Repeater since at this point, it is just one more sound producing unit in the signal path (at least I don't think it is the cause). Anyway, can someone tell me if I running everything in series is the main culprit and if this is why an aux send bus system is better for building up and playing layers of sound or am I missing something in properly balancing my gain structure? My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, compressor => Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, Repeater => Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House connection. I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation would apply if I used an EDP as well. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 15:14:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26293; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c197b3$6fc053a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <20020107125606.T5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> Subject: OT:Re: Mastering software Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:42:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed- T-Racks is a great prog if you can't use DX plugs- and even if you can! Great interface- But as for DX- the Waves L1 is awesome- if you can afford it- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Ross Davis" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Mastering software > T-Racks. You can't go wrong. > > http://www.t-racks.com/ > > m > > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:19:55PM -0500, Mike Feeney wrote: > > > > > > quick question: I saw a post about the Ozone mastering software (a > > direct x plugin) not too terribly long ago, and gave the demo a try, but my > > recording software isn't too fond of direct x plugins (I crash every time I > > try to apply one). Does anyone use some stand-alone mastering software? Or > > could recommend any? I have both mac and pc at home, so the platform > > doesn't matter ... > > > > thanks! > > > > mike > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 16:03:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30889; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:40:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:40:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:25:12 +0000 Subject: Re: whither studiomaster? From: "Paul Harriman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Instead, why not wonder at the news of UK console manufacturer Studiomaster going toes up. It seems that after the leaving their answerphone as a receptionist for the last month, the company has eventually written to companies advising that a disagreement with its Indian manufacturer has meant that no products have been despatched for a while. An email which has fallen magically into my hands from the company states that Studiomaster Diamond Limited has been put into 'administrative receivership,' however that they are 'hopeful that within the next few months we will be resupplying products under the Studiomaster brand name through an alternative manufacturer.'> Instead, why not wonder at the news of UK console manufacturer Studiomaster > going toes up. It seems that after the leaving their answerphone as a > receptionist for the last month, the company has eventually written to > companies advising that a disagreement with its Indian manufacturer has > meant that no products have been despatched for a while. An email which has > fallen magically into my hands from the company states that Studiomaster > Diamond Limited has been put into 'administrative receivership,' however > that they are 'hopeful that within the next few months we will be > resupplying products under the Studiomaster brand name through an > alternative manufacturer.' > from http://www.prosoundweb.com/news/gossip/indexgossip.shtml pax - paul ---------- >From: "anti:clockwise" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: whither studiomaster? >Date: Mon, Jan 7, 2002, 5:16 pm > > > does anyone have info about studiomaster? > i have been trying to contact them to no avail... no one answers the cali > number, and the UK number seems to have been disconnected... anyone got > news on a possible bellyupification on them? > > thnks! > > a:c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 16:11:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31682; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:47:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:47:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3A077D.8B8C1FC@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:39:25 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yikes! Sorry for the confusion, Todd. In all seriousness, the enthusiasm really is appreciated; I'm just sorry it went a bit askew. Well, I'm sure you left some good energy back here in CA prior to your leaving. I'll buy you a drink next time we're on the same coast. I don't know if the "perhaps-not-quite-world-famous" Hollywood Knitting Factory does live web streams, but it might be worth a check: http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla There's a guy before me at 8:00, I play at 8:30, and Steve hits the stage at 9:30 (pacific times, every last one). We're in the Alterknit Lounge. T minus eight hours and counting, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com todd reynolds wrote: > > Okay, so I'm an idiot... > > I see steve and andre's posts about the gig tonite at the knitting factory, > Sunday, and I say, whoa, the community will meet... And I rush down to the > knitting factory to see them both, anxious to meet my fellow artists, hear > the music and hang... DUMBASS even wore his LD t-shirt to the gig, I'm just > that corny... It's raining cats and dogs out and I'm tired anyway, having > just flown back from... > > ......California. > > Thought you all might enjoy that... I think I'm reading these posts too > fast > > T. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 17:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05088; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3A13FC.FF57DAAE@wanadoo.fr> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:32:44 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sustain References: <200201071034.FAA14502@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will not be a BIG help, but I remember a few things... A driver is basically a reverse pick with threeetime wider wire and three time less turns on the magnets... I remember a article (great, I can't find it anymore) abiut that that added that to get the driver to run, you needed a preamp onboard that would deliver (sorry, here I miss the exact info....) between 10 and 50 mA to the driver. Now there is the acoustic way. I remember a guy on the Stick list explaining this: He used a contact driver (kind of a loudspeaker without a membrane, used to drive surfaces like glass). He used a second amp (50 W) whose output was fed into the contact driver glued somehow on the back of his instrument. A vol pedal on the amp would allow to control amount of sustain with the foot. The WHOLE intrument would then resonate (very different tone than "usual sustainers", like the very early sustainiac system... Hope this helps. Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:32:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12950; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:10:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:10:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048CD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ideology in looping? Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:49:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C197CD.83F5ABD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C197CD.83F5ABD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ..but to be truly free it has to have room to morph into a jam band if that's where it goes. If the jam band tag becomes a stricture, or those things start to excert an influence beyond the music, the freedom has gone... :o) ** ya know, i see your point. but to me, the jam band thing isn't so free . . . i think it's okay that people who do free improv go there, but if that's all it is, i don't think it's free. i say this because part of the freedom thing can be in the intent to subvert the paradigm - - bass players don't have to play just bass lines, for instance; i'm not so sure that jam band stuff can deal with that. i guess it all comes down to your own definition . . . Absolutely - hearing him be a bit rubbish didn't in anyway diminish my respect for him, it just meant that I was made rather starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the gig as a listener, and was left wanting... I guess if they'd all fallen about laughing, said 'sorry, that was crap' and started again, I'd have enjoyed it a bit more... :o) ** sure, but there have been times when i thought a free gig was awful (or that i was awful in it) and others who were playing or the audience thought it was great . . . so we just carry the disappointment home with us and hope for another day. (sorta like any creative endeavor . . . ) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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..but to be truly free it has to have room to morph into = a jam band if that's where it goes. If the jam band tag becomes a

stricture, or those things start to excert an influence b= eyond the music, the freedom has gone... :o)

** ya know, i see your point. but to me, the jam band thi= ng isn't so free . . . i think it's okay that people who do free improv go = there, but if that's all it is, i don't think it's free. i say this because= part of the freedom thing can be in the intent to subvert the paradigm - -= bass players don't have to play just bass lines, for instance; i'm not so = sure that jam band stuff can deal with that. i guess it all comes down to y= our own definition . . .


Absolutely - hearing him be a bit rubbish didn't in anywa= y diminish my respect for him, it just meant that I was made rather<= /P>

starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the= gig as a listener, and was left wanting... I guess if they'd all

fallen about laughing, said 'sorry, that was crap' and st= arted again, I'd have enjoyed it a bit more... :o)

** sure, but there have been times when i thought a free = gig was awful (or that i was awful in it) and others who were playing or th= e audience thought it was great . . . so we just carry the disappointment h= ome with us and hope for another day. (sorta like any creative endeavor . .= . )

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C197CD.83F5ABD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:05:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15492; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:43:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Lawson looping gig fiasco... Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:37:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C3A077D.8B8C1FC@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As far as a cyberticket to the show tonight-- http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/live/index2.cfm I think they stream live on Real Player--wonder if we can get the Alternknit program as well--let's see . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19148; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:13:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:13:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.141] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <009501c197a8$da3e4b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:43:57 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 00:06:09.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[466F6480:01C197D8] Resent-Message-ID: <-4PQEC.A.LhE.QgjO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to second that notion. I was getting some way cool melody style parts happening. Almost techno style in the sound. Check it out if you haven't yet. Ritchie http://ninja.at/play Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:56 AM Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig > Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it is > pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that occurs > is great- totally different moods etc- > > c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 20:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25476; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:11:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:09:13 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i tried it but the real player said: requested link not found. the link you followed may be outdated or innaccurate. rtsp://208.144.19.133/encoder/knitlalive.rm but maybe that's what it does until the show starts???? on 1/7/02 3:37 PM, Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net wrote: > As far as a cyberticket to the show tonight-- > http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/live/index2.cfm > I think they stream live on Real Player--wonder if we can get the Alternknit > program as well--let's see . . . > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 21:59:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32202; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:36:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:36:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:29:30 EST Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <11iVb.A.UwH.amlO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a, >T minus eight hours and counting, i'm sure you'll have a successful launch..... best, dt / splatty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 22:03:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32540; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:40:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:40:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <86.14a97f3d.296bb473@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:33:23 EST Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com facehacker@hotmail.com writes: >I have to second that notion. I was getting some way cool melody style >parts happening. Almost techno style in the sound. .....which concept becomes overtly fun, when recording any/the midi-moves into a sequencer/arpeggiator! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 23:13:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05256; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <009501c197a8$da3e4b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:43:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 03:43:12.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[988FBB70:01C197F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have my repeater synched up to a hardware sequencer. When I play a B section, or reprise a section of a song, I can have the sequencer also shift the key of everything in the Repeater, so it follows along. Very cool - most people don't even seem to notice. The next trick would be to use the repeater as an audio arpegiator. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig > Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it is > pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that occurs > is great- totally different moods etc- > > c > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 23:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07162; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:01:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:01:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:54:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c197af$b3f6ee20$420e88cf@stevespc> Message-Id: <5DA6B393-03EB-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: Vortex=instrument level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking of getting a converter. Mark On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the Repeater > being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 which I use > mostly for reverb. > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then begin > soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and distort. I know > this isn't necessarily caused by the Repeater since at this point, it is > just one more sound producing unit in the signal path (at least I don't > think it is the cause). Anyway, can someone tell me if I running > everything in series is the main culprit and if this is why an aux send > bus system is better for building up and playing layers of sound or am I > missing something in properly balancing my gain structure? > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, compressor => > Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, Repeater => Lexicon > MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House connection. > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation would apply if I > used an EDP as well. > > Thanks, > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 00:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13274; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:28:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:28:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:30:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <5DA6B393-03EB-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <5DA6B393-03EB-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010800301600.03515@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, guitar->Vortex->Boomerang->Mixer easily clips on the Mixer inputs as soon as I flip on the overdrive and lay down a couple distorted layers. I'm constantly watching levels lest I get the awful digital crackle flavor distortion from my mixer. I'm thinking of investing in a second compressor for post-'Rang pre-Mixer limiting. Todd On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: Vortex=instrument > level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking of getting a converter. > > Mark > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the Repeater > > being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 which I use > > mostly for reverb. > > > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater > > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then begin > > soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and distort. I know > > this isn't necessarily caused by the Repeater since at this point, it is > > just one more sound producing unit in the signal path (at least I don't > > think it is the cause). Anyway, can someone tell me if I running > > everything in series is the main culprit and if this is why an aux send > > bus system is better for building up and playing layers of sound or am I > > missing something in properly balancing my gain structure? > > > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, compressor => > > Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, Repeater => Lexicon > > MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House connection. > > > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation would apply if I > > used an EDP as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 01:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14017; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:40:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:40:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:34:04 -0800 Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <54509712-03F9-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't notice! Great show though, had to leave soon after Jon's set so the SFPD could impound my car (didn't get my registration renewal and I'm used to reg lasting 2 years. D'oh! I'm a looser. To get an idea of what my day was like today, see Primus's DMV song) The second band (I caught a DL4 on the floor) was really good as well. That club seemed really loop/electronica friendly. It's good to see live electronica, but I think I would have liked to have heard more Stick out of Jon. MORE! Maybe have a partner on the 808? I'm wrestling with that one myself. My damn MC-307 pilot went out and bought a Chapman Stick! Mark Sottilaro On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 07:43 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > I have my repeater synched up to a hardware sequencer. When I play a B > section, or reprise a section of a song, I can have the sequencer also > shift > the key of everything in the Repeater, so it follows along. Very cool - > most > people don't even seem to notice. The next trick would be to use the > repeater as an audio arpegiator. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig > > >> Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it >> is >> pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that >> occurs >> is great- totally different moods etc- >> >> c >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 01:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17032; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:17:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:17:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:10:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <190.bd9ba5.296b35d7@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 1/7/02 12:33 PM, "Hedewa7@aol.com" wrote: > todd wrote, >> I see steve and andre's posts about the gig tonite at the knitting factory, >> Sunday, and I say, whoa, the community will meet... And I rush down to >> the >> knitting factory to see them both, anxious to meet my fellow artists, hear >> the music and hang... DUMBASS even wore his LD t-shirt to the gig, I'm >> just >> that corny... It's raining cats and dogs out and I'm tired anyway, having >> just flown back from... >> >> ......California. > well, > to be fair: > herr lawson did say something about the 'world-famous' knitting factory, > which would certainly lead one to believe that they were playing knitting > factory/ny. > *-) > btw, fwiw: > 'the knitting factory' is also sometimes known amongst a buncha musicians as > 'the plantation'. > *-) > best, > dt / splattercell > Yep. Got that... Heard worse as well... But to other more pleasant pursuits... got both splattercell albums today in the mail from amazon... Cd player travels with me tomorrow... T. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 01:55:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17929; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:32:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <165.66a8db6.296beadd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:25:33 EST Subject: DreamLand "Underwater" cd shameless cd release promotion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings! DreamLand is Johnny A. Rodriguez (synths, keyboards, Native American flutes and extended vocals) and James H, Sidlo (guitar, loops, atmospherics). Ambient and other worldly instrumentals. Live pieces: "Sunspots", "Brief Moon" and "Underterwater" from The Clipper Ship Book Store and KSYM San Antonio College radio. Also a studio extended vocal track: "I Frequency, Dream in Soundwaves". The cd is available for ten dollars, plus shipping from: www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com. Or contact me. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 07:18:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08033; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:56:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <61.18f2fc12.296c36e1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:49:53 EST Subject: OT: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com todd r writes: >Yep. Got that... Heard worse as well... But to other more pleasant >pursuits... got both splattercell albums today in the mail from amazon... cool..... thanks! 'tis just a bit sad that those're my most recent offerings: finished in june 1999, not released til 2000. anyway: new splatter-set's almost finished, but for 2 tracks w/orchestral strings & a coupla 'band'-tracks..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 09:03:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15161; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:35:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:35:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:28:00 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01c19848$4af3bf40$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <02010800301600.03515@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then maybe I should put my compressor after the Repeater as well, just before I run it through the Lexicon MPX1? Steve > Yeah, guitar->Vortex->Boomerang->Mixer easily clips on the > Mixer inputs as soon as I flip on the overdrive and lay down > a couple distorted layers. > I'm constantly watching levels lest I get the awful digital > crackle flavor > distortion from my mixer. I'm thinking of investing in a > second compressor for post-'Rang pre-Mixer limiting. > > Todd > > > On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: > > Vortex=instrument level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking > of getting > > a converter. > > > > Mark > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the > > > Repeater being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 > > > which I use mostly for reverb. > > > > > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater > > > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then > > > begin soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and > > > distort. I know this isn't necessarily caused by the > Repeater since > > > at this point, it is just one more sound producing unit in the > > > signal path (at least I don't think it is the cause). > Anyway, can > > > someone tell me if I running everything in series is the main > > > culprit and if this is why an aux send bus system is better for > > > building up and playing layers of sound or am I missing > something in > > > properly balancing my gain structure? > > > > > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, > > > compressor => Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, > > > Repeater => Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House > > > connection. > > > > > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation > would apply if > > > I used an EDP as well. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 10:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21831; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace Meyer" To: Subject: EDP for sale on EBay for Europeans Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:00:29 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c19855$404fd3a0$18f72a3f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-rNMV.A.iRF.kmwO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there-- I notice this http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1402787664 only has a day left and not much bidding yet-- For all you European loop people The Echoplex is the best (but I really gotta get a Repeater soon) Gary (or whatever) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 11:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23611; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:30:40 -0800 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Behringer/Repeater questions References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Y-wFD.A.nqF.UBxO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted as if it was using the old 1.0 > OS as far as some program changes are concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to > make sure and same problem- any ideas? ... > There seems to be a number of typos in the new manual... I found a lot of # errors in the PC column, but have been doing fine w/CC. I recently got the Behringer FCB1010 controller, and am having a great time with it. It's my first experience w/midiboard. The thing hummed a bit at first, but I think it was just nervous about my programming skills...it's much better now! I'm including how I programmed a couple banks...much of this info was kindly given me by Alan, which helped •A LOT• (thanks, Alan)! If any of you have additional suggestions (including any trick "two at one time" switches), it would be dug! bank 00: 01 record (cc86 value=127) 02 undo (cc89 value=127) 03 erase loop (cc108 value=123) 04 play (cc85 value=127) 05 stop (cc87 value=127) 06 track select 1/2 (cc90 value=127) 07 track select 3/4 (cc91 value=127) 08 loop select down (cc97 value=127) 09 loop select up (cc96 value=127) 10 multiply loop (cc102 value=127) On each preset I have the expression pedals configured as follows: ExpA track level 1/2 (cc110 values=0-127) ExpB track level 3/4 (cc111 values=0-127) ================================= Bank 01: 01 record (cc86 value=127) 02 undo (cc89 value=127) 03 play (cc85 value=127) 04 stop (cc87 value=127) 05 fx insert (cc103 value=16 (fx on imput) (R ex ped fx not active? (cc 103 value 0-1)) 06 track select 1 (cc80 value=127) 07 track select 2 (cc81 value=127) 08 track select3 (cc82 value=127) 09 track select4 (cc83 value=127) 10 reverse loop (cc84 value=127) (R ex ped cc 84 value 0-1) Bank 02: 01 Feedback (cc11 (R ex ped cc 84 value 0-127) ... > Until Electrix implements a midi pedal initiated fade function, > or visual cues as to where the "feedback" level is when controlled via midi, > I'm perfectly happy with the 3 button footswitch and hands on tweakage. - That would be nice. Still, with the expression pedal, one can get fairly close to desired % feedback with practice (and sensitive Looper'sock) It would be also great to Erase select tracks, and not just the whole loop (but whole loop erase is better than nothing!). David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 12:44:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31665; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:18:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:18:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.196.103] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Question Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:12:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 17:12:51.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[B423E7F0:01C19867] Resent-Message-ID: <0CnSvC.A.9oH.yiyO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between two effects? Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 12:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00309; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3B2C0E.CFB06BF8@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:27:43 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9hOJRB.A.W5H.KyyO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one of the Proel controllers (the one with the internal cable) and it works pretty well (and at only $30 its a deal). http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2002010811241356&menu=&keyword=&item=PRL+PVP16L Kevin Chris Olden wrote: > Hello, > I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works > best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between > two effects? > Thanks! > Chris Olden > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00968; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:44:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:44:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3B2D89.FFDEA216@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:34:01 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com roland EV5 works 100% claude Chris Olden wrote: > > Hello, > I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works > best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between > two effects? > Thanks! > Chris Olden > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:26:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03626; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:04:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:04:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c1986d$e55821a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:56:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes- but CC are hogs in some cases-for example: takes two separate pedals just to Reverse both ways where as a PC would only use 1. I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaViD AuKeR" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:30 AM Subject: RE: Behringer/Repeater questions > > 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted as if it was using the old 1.0 > > OS as far as some program changes are concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to > > make sure and same problem- any ideas? > ... > > There seems to be a number of typos in the new manual... > > I found a lot of # errors in the PC column, but have been doing fine > w/CC. > > I recently got the Behringer FCB1010 controller, and am having a great > time with it. It's my first experience w/midiboard. The thing hummed a > bit at first, but I think it was just nervous about my programming > skills...it's much better now! I'm including how I programmed a couple > banks...much of this info was kindly given me by Alan, which helped .A > LOT. (thanks, Alan)! If any of you have additional suggestions > (including any trick "two at one time" switches), it would be dug! > > bank 00: > > 01 record (cc86 value=127) > 02 undo (cc89 value=127) > 03 erase loop (cc108 value=123) > 04 play (cc85 value=127) > 05 stop (cc87 value=127) > 06 track select 1/2 (cc90 value=127) > 07 track select 3/4 (cc91 value=127) > 08 loop select down (cc97 value=127) > 09 loop select up (cc96 value=127) > 10 multiply loop (cc102 value=127) > On each preset I have the expression pedals configured as follows: > ExpA track level 1/2 (cc110 values=0-127) > ExpB track level 3/4 (cc111 values=0-127) > ================================= > Bank 01: > > 01 record (cc86 value=127) > 02 undo (cc89 value=127) > 03 play (cc85 value=127) > 04 stop (cc87 value=127) > 05 fx insert (cc103 value=16 (fx on imput) (R ex ped fx not active? (cc > 103 value 0-1)) > 06 track select 1 (cc80 value=127) > 07 track select 2 (cc81 value=127) > 08 track select3 (cc82 value=127) > 09 track select4 (cc83 value=127) > 10 reverse loop (cc84 value=127) (R ex ped cc 84 value 0-1) > > Bank 02: > 01 Feedback (cc11 (R ex ped cc 84 value 0-127) > ... > > Until Electrix implements a midi pedal initiated fade function, > > or visual cues as to where the "feedback" level is when controlled via midi, > > I'm perfectly happy with the 3 button footswitch and hands on weakage. - > > That would be nice. Still, with the expression pedal, one can get > fairly close to desired % feedback with practice (and sensitive > Looper'sock) It would be also great to Erase select tracks, and not > just the whole loop (but whole loop erase is better than nothing!). > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:31:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03501; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:03:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:03:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c1986d$e4e2a380$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Vortex Question Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:52:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris- Check the archives and also the Vortex web page- link is on Looper's website- tons of info there. I used a Boss EV-5 with mine until one of the Vortex encoders broke again on mine- :/ Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Olden" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Vortex Question > > > > Hello, > I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works > best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between > two effects? > Thanks! > Chris Olden > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05986; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020108102536.0204ab58@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:36:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions In-Reply-To: <003601c1986d$e55821a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think they do that to make things 'easier' or 'more comfortable' for people. In the world of MIDI, most values start at 0. There are 16 channels: 0-15. There are 128 program changes possible: 0-127. Likewise with CCs. Many devices display these 0 based numbers as 1 based numbers in their UI and documentation: channels 1-16, programs 1-128, CCs 1-128. But many devices use both 0 based numbers and 1 based numbers for different things: channels 1-16, program changes 0-127, etc. So when you program a footcontroller you need to know whether channels, program changes and control changes are 0 or 1 based (on the controller and at the controllee). At 09:56 AM 1/8/2002, Cliff wrote: >I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 >number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual >says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 14:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06975; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:45:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:45:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201081840.g08Ie3x11956@chmls20.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:27:14 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Behringer/Repeater questions To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA06451 Resent-Message-ID: <8Z2rU.A.KlB.hyzO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some go from 0-127, and some go 1-128...hence the "offset" deknow >> Yes- but CC are hogs in some cases-for example: takes two separate pedals >> just to Reverse both ways where as a PC would only use 1. >> I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 >> number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual >> says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? >> Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 14:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07156; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:46:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:46:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.161.212.176] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF Show: Noun Sound: People, Place, Thing Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:39:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 18:39:30.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF1E3950:01C19873] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Noun Sound: People, Place, Thing Friday, January 18 Door 8:00 pm, performance 8:30 pm sharp. $6-10 sliding scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. ----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- Noun Sound: an evening of west coast sound art. 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The work is described as intricate, indifferent, forceful. It is presented with images of pieces of ships and water.' The CD of work lll was described in Incursion Music Review 029 as 'fill[ing] the space rather nicely with a sort of tangible sound, sound that you seem to breathe in with your lungs (you'll really notice its absence when the disc ends; like the shock of turning off the light in a room, your senses immediately have to grow accustomed to the change).' You host is quiet american: http://www.quietamerican.org. This is futon music. Seating will be on futons to encourage comfortable and deep listening. Out of respect for winter, hot drinks will be available. ----> Venue Info <------------------------------------------------------ 964 Natoma (between 10th and 11th, and Mission and Howard) San Francisco, CA 94103 A few blocks from Civic Center BART. One block from Market & Van Ness. Bike parking inside. 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Contact ghede@well.com. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 14:26:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09758; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:03:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:03:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:56:29 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c19876$2e6a0ef0$a9141cac@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7ABF5832-034D-11D6-8445-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 18:56:27.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D381EA0:01C19876] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > I could also go for some > MIDI triggered automation, such as having a single > message = a feedback % Isn't sending MIDI CC # 11 the exact same thing? You don't get the visual indication from the front panel, but it still works. -Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 14:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09514; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c19875$f26845c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> <4.3.2.7.2.20020108102536.0204ab58@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:54:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for the info! Rich, you getting all of this? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions > I think they do that to make things 'easier' or 'more comfortable' for people. > > In the world of MIDI, most values start at 0. There are 16 channels: > 0-15. There are 128 program changes possible: 0-127. Likewise with > CCs. Many devices display these 0 based numbers as 1 based numbers in > their UI and documentation: channels 1-16, programs 1-128, CCs 1-128. But > many devices use both 0 based numbers and 1 based numbers for different > things: channels 1-16, program changes 0-127, etc. > > So when you program a footcontroller you need to know whether channels, > program changes and control changes are 0 or 1 based (on the controller and > at the controllee). > > > At 09:56 AM 1/8/2002, Cliff wrote: > > >I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 > >number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual > >says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 15:21:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14631; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023a01c1987d$ff271590$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com><3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> <4.3.2.7.2.20020108102536.0204ab58@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:52:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think they do that to make things 'easier' or 'more comfortable' for people. > In the world of MIDI, most values start at 0. There are 16 channels: > 0-15. There are 128 program changes possible: 0-127. Likewise with > . . . Yes, comfort depends on what you're used to. Computer Scientists start counting at zero. How's that old joke go?? Q: How does the aerobic instructor count repititions? A: If they're a normal person - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... If they're a Rocket Scientist - 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, If they're a Computer Scientist - 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ... If they're an Assembly Language Programmer - 0, 1, 10, 11, 100, 101, ... If they're a Musician (Western European tradition) - 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, ... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 15:24:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14948; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:02:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:02:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006e01c19875$f26845c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> <4.3.2.7.2.20020108102536.0204ab58@pop.mindspring.com> <006e01c19875$f26845c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:46:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thank you for the info! > >Rich, you getting all of this? > >Cliff yes, thank you. now if you will just bring your repeater over to my place, i would be happy to program my foot controller to operate it nicely. i'm not sure exactly WHEN i'll be able to get it back to you, however... best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 16:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17453; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:36:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:36:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:28:44 EST Subject: Re: Vortex pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello, > > I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works > > best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between > > two effects? > > Thanks! > > Chris Olden That's two good suggestions you've had already ...add also the Bespeco VM 18L get all the relevant info at Lexicon Vortex Database andy butler (on-topic) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 18:34:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30387; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <54509712-03F9-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:01:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 23:01:34.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B167790:01C19898] Resent-Message-ID: <0LiaGB.A.2QH.tp3O8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I didn't notice! Great show though, had to leave soon after Jon's set > so the SFPD could impound my car (didn't get my registration renewal and > I'm used to reg lasting 2 years. D'oh! I'm a looser. To get an idea > of what my day was like today, see Primus's DMV song) The second band > (I caught a DL4 on the floor) was really good as well. That club seemed > really loop/electronica friendly. It's good to see live electronica, > but I think I would have liked to have heard more Stick out of Jon. Yes, I think that was my conclusion as well. It really isn't possible to do justice to everything in an arrangement at once while playing busy, uptempo stuff - the kind that gets people dancing. It's also difficult not to sound stale when only one instrument is actually live and you are manipulating synths and samples for all the rest. I played the gig anyway, though, since I can't wait until the rest of the band shows up, to hone my live skills especially with such a complex set of gear to deal with. I'm hoping to find some partners in crime around the city - ideally, a keyboard player who can play really funk electric piano and clav, and a singer and drummer. If anyone here is interested, or knows anyone, give me a call. 415.706.7376 > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 07:43 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > > > I have my repeater synched up to a hardware sequencer. When I play a B > > section, or reprise a section of a song, I can have the sequencer also > > shift > > the key of everything in the Repeater, so it follows along. Very cool - > > most > > people don't even seem to notice. The next trick would be to use the > > repeater as an audio arpegiator. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:26 AM > > Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig > > > > > >> Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it > >> is > >> pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that > >> occurs > >> is great- totally different moods etc- > >> > >> c > >> > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:56:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04422; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:33:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:33:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048E5@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: so cal, usa, gig spam: Kaiser, Liebig, Stinson, Ray at Art City I I.... 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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C198A4.389FF4B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 20:48:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09159; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:25:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:25:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c198a3$623c6160$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Houston TX area loopers? Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:20:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK - here's my voice in the wilderness... Are there any Houston TX people on Loopers Delight? Any of you interested in getting together with a guitar looping kinda guy (1 strat, 2 EDPs, 2 amps, lotsa strange ideas)? Just a thought. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 23:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20134; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:45:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:45:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <54.20ee18ad.296d14b1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:36:17 EST Subject: AFM members? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54.20ee18ad.296d14b1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_54.20ee18ad.296d14b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM? If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as to not undercut as a member of the AFM? What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you are working for peanuts? I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member.... So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and your take on this... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_54.20ee18ad.296d14b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM?

If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as to not undercut as a member of the AFM?

What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you are working for peanuts?

I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member....

So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and your take on this...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards... --part1_54.20ee18ad.296d14b1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 23:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24335; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <54.20ee18ad.296d14b1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:19:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: AFM members? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM? > >If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do >looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as >to not undercut as a member of the AFM? > >What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you >are working for peanuts? > >I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it >seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member.... > >So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and >your take on this... > >Thanks, >Gregory Bruce Campbell >www.kickstartchubby.com >Please, NO forwards... Addictions Foundation of Manitoba? Nah. I'm nowhere near there. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 00:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26369; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:50:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:50:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <88.120bdb1f.296d24ad@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:44:29 EST Subject: NEW SITE!!! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_88.120bdb1f.296d24ad_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_88.120bdb1f.296d24ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow it sems like it took forever to me, and i'm sure nobody cares... But my new mp3.com page just became available... http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/347/freak_wincing.html I would sincerely appreciate your participation and constructive criticism to open my new site with a BANG... I have so far recorded at least 90% of my experience with my EDP units. It is all up on my site as it becomes aproved by mp3.com (mistakes and all) *see the info tab By the way I am very interested in hearing everyone elses work as well and would sincerely appreciate personal e-mails directing me to mp3's on the internet of anyones work... I am especially interested in tapping / stick / touch style instruments, and multi strung basses. But really I'm into all of it! I'm looking forward to your support and hearing your music as well! Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_88.120bdb1f.296d24ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow it sems like it took forever to me, and i'm sure nobody cares...

But my new mp3.com page just became available...

http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/347/freak_wincing.html

I would sincerely appreciate your participation and constructive criticism to open my new site with a BANG...

I have so far recorded at least 90% of my experience with my EDP units. It is all up on my site as it becomes aproved by mp3.com (mistakes and all) *see the info tab

By the way I am very interested in hearing everyone elses work as well and would sincerely appreciate personal e-mails directing me to mp3's on the internet of anyones work...

I am especially interested in tapping / stick / touch style instruments, and multi strung basses. But really I'm into all of it!

I'm looking forward to your support and hearing your music as well!

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards... --part1_88.120bdb1f.296d24ad_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 00:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29694; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:23:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <150.6f6bb2d.296d2c34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:16:36 EST Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be discussed and arranged. Best regards, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 01:03:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31264; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:41:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:45:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <002f01c19848$4af3bf40$420e88cf@stevespc> In-Reply-To: <002f01c19848$4af3bf40$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010900450700.01566@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it seems to me that you'd want a compressor/limiter in front of whatever device is receiving the largest fluctuations in gain and thus distorting unpleasantly. I've seen some rules of thumb for guitarists using compressors that recommend one as the first device in the chain to provide a great signal feeding whatever processors follow and then a second at the end of the chain to reign it all back in and clean it up before feeding mixers, tapes, PAs, etc.. Seems like good logic to me. Of course, there's a wealth of information on compressors out there that could shed some light on the topic, but in depth discussion is probably better suited to a general audio list. In the end, the best bet is to play around with whatever you can get your hands on (or off if you're into the minimalist thing) until you find something that you like to hear. :) Todd On Tue, 08 Jan 2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > Then maybe I should put my compressor after the Repeater as well, just > before I run it through the Lexicon MPX1? > > Steve > > > Yeah, guitar->Vortex->Boomerang->Mixer easily clips on the > > Mixer inputs as soon as I flip on the overdrive and lay down > > a couple distorted layers. > > I'm constantly watching levels lest I get the awful digital > > crackle flavor > > distortion from my mixer. I'm thinking of investing in a > > second compressor for post-'Rang pre-Mixer limiting. > > > > Todd > > > > On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: > > > Vortex=instrument level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking > > > > of getting > > > > > a converter. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the > > > > Repeater being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 > > > > which I use mostly for reverb. > > > > > > > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater > > > > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then > > > > begin soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and > > > > distort. I know this isn't necessarily caused by the > > > > Repeater since > > > > > > at this point, it is just one more sound producing unit in the > > > > signal path (at least I don't think it is the cause). > > > > Anyway, can > > > > > > someone tell me if I running everything in series is the main > > > > culprit and if this is why an aux send bus system is better for > > > > building up and playing layers of sound or am I missing > > > > something in > > > > > > properly balancing my gain structure? > > > > > > > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, > > > > compressor => Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, > > > > Repeater => Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation > > > > would apply if > > > > > > I used an EDP as well. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 01:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32292; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:53:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:53:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c198d0$5921ee60$270c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #250 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:41:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <3drHzD.A.lxH.ll9O8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #250 January 3, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. A master of drones, Mathias is a prolific creator of ambient music from his studio in Germany. The vinyl show starter was an LP by Robert Schroder. Mathias Grassow http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Robert Schroder Part 1 Galxie Cygnus-A (IC) John Lakveet Circumvolito Sequentiagite (Vagern) VA [Spacecraft] House of Gaudi Tracks Across the Universe (none) Stephanie Sante Topaz Immaculate Conceptions (MP3.COM) Steve Roach Hovering Collection 1 (Timeroom) Steve Roach Day Two * Stormwarning (Timeroom) Richard Bone A Column of Glyphs Tales from the Incantina (Indium) 12:00 am Mathias Grassow Lancelot's Dream Prophecy Mathias Grassow Elm's Fire Prophecy Mathias Grassow Backwards Through Time Prophecy Mathias Grassow Temptation Prophecy Mathias Grassow Guinevere Prophecy Mathias Grassow Emerald Forest Prophecy Mathias Grassow Mission Prophecy Mathias Grassow Cornish Coast Prophecy Mathias Grassow Quest Prophecy 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Conrad Schnitzler. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 02:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04352; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:39:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c198d6$e62767d0$580a0a0a@AP200> From: "r paul seymour" To: Subject: FS: Korg AM 8000r Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:28:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello.... i'm sure you all know what this is so, i'll be brief: Korg AM 8000r effects processor. racked once, looks mint - rack screw scratches. works great. $300. email me if interested. thanks! resonance@rpsx.nu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 02:03:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04408; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:40:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:40:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:34:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <150.6f6bb2d.296d2c34@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm planning on going on Saturday--guess I'll be wearing my LD T Gary -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there Hi All, Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be discussed and arranged. Best regards, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 04:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16177; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:19:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:19:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c198ee$19b1b6c0$6463f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201090514.AAA29101@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: NORTHERN CALIFORNIA GIG SPAM: Santa Cruz Looping Festival Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:14:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is just to remind anybody in the Northern California region that we will be having Santa Cruz Looping Festival this coming Sunday, January 13th at the Cayuga Vault (corner of Cayuga Street and Soquel Avenue) in Santa Cruz. The show starts at 8 p.m and there is a $10 donation requested (and no one will be turned away for lack of funds!). On this wonderful bill will be headliner STEVE LAWSON, the brilliant and highly musical fretless bassist from London, England BILL WALKER guitar and guitar synth wizard ORBIS a duo from Sacramento featuring guitarist Mark Harmon (of the 77s) and bassist, Mark Roe yours truly, RICK WALKER's loop.pool and a special guerilla suprise visit from Loopers Delights' resident expert on damn near everything (and I say this with the greatest of respect) DR. RICHARD ZVONAR The next evening, Steve and I will present solo sets and an extended improvisational duet set at the ESPRESSON GARDENS on Bascomb Avenue in San Jose. I hope you can all make it!!! Take care and loop on!!! Yours, in the "year of the palindrome" , 2002, Loop.pooL :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 09:48:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06132; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:26:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:26:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:20:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. I look forward to meeting you, Carl Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there Hi All, Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be discussed and arranged. Best regards, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 11:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14060; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:05:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:05:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.20631d9f.296dc14e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:52:46 EST Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <8SA7CD.A.m-C.idGP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KILLINFO@aol.com writes: >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be >discussed and arranged. i'm not too wonderful, but i *may* go to namm, this year. y'all's? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 11:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12378; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:57:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:57:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.1fbd0011.296dc0d5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:50:45 EST Subject: Re: AFM members? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KkstrtChby@aol.com writes: >Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM? *yes*. if you do *any* recordings for commercial release, at all, it is invaluable --- though sometimes a p.i.a. --- to be an afm member & support the union whenever feasible. >If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do >looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold >as to >not undercut as a member of the AFM? again: invaluable for recording musicians. for live gigs, well..... avoid the afm-contracts, when necessary..... >What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why >you are working for peanuts? see above. >I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but >it >seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member.... ..... which seems to me has nothing to do with 'being a looper', everything to do with one's willingness/interest to take on non-paying performances..... >So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and >your >take on this... that was my (simplistic) zwei pfenig..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 11:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15314; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:21:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:21:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:09:30 -0600 Message-ID: <003001c19928$05779870$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <02010900450700.01566@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Todd, Thanks for your comments. Even though it appears to be a discussion about compressors, my original question dealt with the Output signal becoming overloading and distorting because of the additional volume/sound being created by the looping device. In this case a Repeater. My question was an attempt to find out how best to get my gain structure set so that when I started adding in layers and layers of additional sound, my output didn't distort. Since I am running my setup in series (see my original message) there seems to be a tendency for the Repeater to add significant amounts of additional gain with each layer created for my sound. Thanks, Steve > Well, it seems to me that you'd want a compressor/limiter in front of > whatever device is receiving the largest fluctuations in gain > and thus > distorting unpleasantly. I've seen some rules of thumb for > guitarists using > compressors that recommend one as the first device in the > chain to provide a > great signal feeding whatever processors follow and then a > second at the end > of the chain to reign it all back in and clean it up before > feeding mixers, > tapes, PAs, etc.. Seems like good logic to me. > > Of course, there's a wealth of information on compressors out > there that > could shed some light on the topic, but in depth discussion > is probably > better suited to a general audio list. In the end, the best > bet is to play > around with whatever you can get your hands on (or off if > you're into the > minimalist thing) until you find something that you like to hear. :) > > Todd > > On Tue, 08 Jan 2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > Then maybe I should put my compressor after the Repeater as > well, just > > before I run it through the Lexicon MPX1? > > > > Steve > > > > > Yeah, guitar->Vortex->Boomerang->Mixer easily clips on the Mixer > > > inputs as soon as I flip on the overdrive and lay down a couple > > > distorted layers. I'm constantly watching levels lest I get the > > > awful digital crackle flavor > > > distortion from my mixer. I'm thinking of investing in a > > > second compressor for post-'Rang pre-Mixer limiting. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: > > > > Vortex=instrument level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking > > > > > > of getting > > > > > > > a converter. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > > > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my > rig, with the > > > > > Repeater being the next to last item just before my > Lexicon MPX1 > > > > > which I use mostly for reverb. > > > > > > > > > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in > > > > > Repeater > > > > > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating > loop and then > > > > > begin soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and > > > > > distort. I know this isn't necessarily caused by the > > > > > > Repeater since > > > > > > > > at this point, it is just one more sound producing > unit in the > > > > > signal path (at least I don't think it is the cause). > > > > > > Anyway, can > > > > > > > > someone tell me if I running everything in series is the main > > > > > culprit and if this is why an aux send bus system is > better for > > > > > building up and playing layers of sound or am I missing > > > > > > something in > > > > > > > > properly balancing my gain structure? > > > > > > > > > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, > > > > > compressor => Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects > > > > > loop, Repeater => Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon => direct box > for House > > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation > > > > > > would apply if > > > > > > > > I used an EDP as well. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 12:23:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17449; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:50:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:32:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep...i'll be there. gonna try and go on Thursday and maybe Friday... i'd be happy to say hello to anybody who's going that day. perhaps meeting at a specific booth might help, since i'm still fuzzy about the 'what is where' of the Anaheim convention center... my haunts this year will, amongst others, will most likely be: electrix booth emagic booth qsc booth propellerheads booth electroharmonix booth fender room line6 booth renaissance guitars transperformance booth event booth i might suggest the electroharmonix booth, since from past experience, it's usually just an open area that's not packed with cubicle walls and tons of product. and we gots our tshirts to recognize now, and we can stop doing that L shape on our forehead... maybe we can all gather and scream at electroharmonix..."where is the damn EH-16 reissue!?!" anywho...let me know what y'all are doin. best, rich >I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. > >I look forward to meeting you, > >Carl Jacobson > >-----Original Message----- >From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there > >Hi All, > >Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers >out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between >the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around >the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be >discussed and arranged. > >Best regards, > >Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 12:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19822; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:10:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:10:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:57:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <003001c19928$05779870$420e88cf@stevespc> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Repeater. My question was an attempt to find out how best to get my > gain structure set so that when I started adding in layers and layers of > additional sound, my output didn't distort. Since I am running my setup > in series (see my original message) there seems to be a tendency for > the Repeater to add significant amounts of additional gain with each > layer created for my sound. > > Thanks, > Steve As far as I see you can fix this in two ways. 1 --> turn down Repeater input gain: You can add more layers until Repeater overloads. 2 --> turn down Repeater feedback: Old layers will fade as you add new layers and Repeater will not overload. Best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 12:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20964; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:28:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:28:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:13:41 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #17 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 > number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual > says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? > > Cliff Some MIDI controllers won't send the same PC twice in a row, so using PC+1 for the same function is a work around for this. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 13:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22783; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:55:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:55:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:50:32 -0800 Message-ID: <001301c19936$223b7450$17a8a8c0@penser1> From: "shawn" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C198F3.13FFCA50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C198F3.13FFCA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please unsubscribe me from your yahoo group. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C198F3.13FFCA50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C198F3.13FFCA50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 13:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25286; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:13:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:13:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048F3@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: AFM members? Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19937.7B470EF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19937.7B470EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** this post brought up one of my biggest pet peeves about the afm. i used to be a member, but it wasn't something i really needed to do any longer. i haven't been a member for something like 8 years now. they STILL try to hit me up for work dues on gigs at small jazz clubs/series or coffee shops. i called 'em and asked 'em to desist, but two months later they were back to it. (apparently they have someone scouring the jazz club/concert listings for "members.") i find it mind-boggling that they charge their members (or non-members) work dues for playing their own music for little or no compensation (i know guys who have to pay other guys to play their music and lose money and then still have to pay the union its ridiculous work dues). why they don't have an equity-waiver system like the actor's guild i'll never know. imho, the union is a rip-off . . . unless, as david t says, you are doing serious recording work, etc., on a regular basis. (and still, if you're one of those who plays your own music, i think it rips you off for the "privilege" of being in the afm.) sorry about the rant, stig -----Original Message----- From: KkstrtChby@aol.com [mailto:KkstrtChby@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AFM members? Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM? If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as to not undercut as a member of the AFM? What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you are working for peanuts? I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member.... So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and your take on this... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19937.7B470EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
** this post brought up one of my biggest pet peeves about the afm.
 
i used to be a member, but it wasn't something i really needed to do any longer. i haven't been a member for something like 8 years now. they STILL try to hit me up for work dues on gigs at small jazz clubs/series or coffee shops. i called 'em and asked 'em to desist, but two months later they were back to it. (apparently they have someone scouring the jazz club/concert listings for "members.")
 
i find it mind-boggling that they charge their members (or non-members) work dues for playing their own music for little or no compensation (i know guys who have to pay other guys to play their music and lose money and then still have to pay the union its ridiculous work dues).
 
why they don't have an equity-waiver system like the actor's guild i'll never know.
 
imho, the union is a rip-off . . . unless, as david t says, you are doing serious recording work, etc., on a regular basis. (and still, if you're one of those who plays your own music, i think it rips you off for the "privilege" of being in the afm.)
 
sorry about the rant,
 
stig
-----Original Message-----
From: KkstrtChby@aol.com [mailto:KkstrtChby@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:36 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: AFM members?

Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM?

If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as to not undercut as a member of the AFM?

What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you are working for peanuts?

I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member....

So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and your take on this...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards...


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19937.7B470EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 13:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25161; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3C8653.C6E279C5@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:21:20 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NORTHERN CALIFORNIA GIG SPAM: Santa Cruz Looping Festival References: <200201090514.AAA29101@hemlock.violacea.com> <00ad01c198ee$19b1b6c0$6463f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: (snip) > and a special guerilla suprise visit from Loopers Delights' resident expert > on damn near everything (and I say this with the greatest of respect) > DR. RICHARD ZVONAR > > The next evening, Steve and I will present solo sets and an extended > improvisational duet set at the ESPRESSON GARDENS on Bascomb Avenue in San > Jose. > > I hope you can all make it!!! > > Take care and loop on!!! > > Yours, in the "year of the palindrome" , 2002, Loop.pooL :-) so, when's the socal tour gonna happen? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 13:59:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27081; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:37:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:37:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c1993b$beab44a0$0201a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <001301c19936$223b7450$17a8a8c0@penser1> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:30:40 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1993B.BDB8A740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1993B.BDB8A740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hm, do I have to write another short screenplay about this one? :) = "Yahoo" indeed. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: 09 January 2002 17:50 PM Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me from your yahoo group. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1993B.BDB8A740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hm, do I have to write another short screenplay = about this=20 one? :)  "Yahoo" indeed.
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1993B.BDB8A740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28572; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:56:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:56:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c1993e$4dc0fd40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: FET switch bypass? Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:48:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C198FB.3D9E91E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C198FB.3D9E91E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know if it is possible to wire a true bypass to a FET switched = pedal? (PDS-8000) Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C198FB.3D9E91E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone know if it is possible to wire a true bypass = to a FET=20 switched pedal? (PDS-8000)
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C198FB.3D9E91E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28399; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:54:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:54:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: , Subject: RE: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:47:29 -0600 Message-ID: <004201c1993e$175800f0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, Thanks for your help. As I said in my first message, its not Repeater that is overloading, it is my final output that is. If I play through my setup without adding any loops to the mix, my gain structure and the final output seems fine with no distortion or apparent overloading. But if I add even a single repeating loop to the mix while I am playing along, the system overloads and eventually distorts. This gain structure with the loop created sounds in the mix is what I am trying to solve, not something that Repeater is doing. This is something that I think would just as easily happen with the EDP. If I bring my initial gain structure down enough to accommodate the addition of looped sound layers to the mix output, then my volume level being too low creates problems for the house mix (who have to turn them up) and also my gain structure risks being too close to the noise floor. But, if I bring my non-looped gain structure up to a good level for the house and the noise floor, when I begin adding in loops to the mix, the volume level output goes up (causing the house engineer to have to back off on my fader) and my output begins to distort. So, what is the best way to get my rig structured properly so that I no longer have this problem. Thanks, Steve > > As far as I see you can fix this in two ways. > > 1 --> turn down Repeater input gain: > You can add more layers until Repeater overloads. > > 2 --> turn down Repeater feedback: > Old layers will fade as you add new layers and Repeater will > not overload. > > Best > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28694; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:56:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:56:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c1993e$62b47420$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:49:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:32 AM Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there > yep...i'll be there. gonna try and go on Thursday and maybe Friday... > > i'd be happy to say hello to anybody who's going that day. perhaps > meeting at a specific booth might help, since i'm still fuzzy about > the 'what is where' of the Anaheim convention center... > > my haunts this year will, amongst others, will most likely be: > > electrix booth > emagic booth > qsc booth > propellerheads booth > electroharmonix booth > fender room > line6 booth > renaissance guitars > transperformance booth > event booth > > i might suggest the electroharmonix booth, since from past > experience, it's usually just an open area that's not packed with > cubicle walls and tons of product. and we gots our tshirts to > recognize now, and we can stop doing that L shape on our forehead... > > maybe we can all gather and scream at electroharmonix..."where is the > damn EH-16 reissue!?!" > > anywho...let me know what y'all are doin. > > best, > > rich > > > > > >I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. > > > >I look forward to meeting you, > > > >Carl Jacobson > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > >Hi All, > > > >Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers > >out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between > >the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around > >the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. > >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? > >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be > >discussed and arranged. > > > >Best regards, > > > >Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:42:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31655; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:20:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:20:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c19941$ceadb8a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #17 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:14:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really? What if a command on the unit you are controlling has a function assigned to that same PC +1? Thanks Andy- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #17 > > > > I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 > > number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual > > says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? > > > > Cliff > > Some MIDI controllers won't send the same PC twice in a row, so using PC+1 > for the same function is a work around for this. > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00828; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:37:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:37:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3C9A92.DD826270@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:31:30 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #18 References: <200201091836.NAA26958@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <60mhF.A.w-H.BqJP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: NAMM I'll be down there on Friday and maybe Saturday. I never got around to ordering a shirt :( so I guess I'll be flashing the "Loser" sign. It would be great to meet any fellow loopers that will be there. Rich's idea of meeting at the Electro-Harmonix Booth sounds like a good idea to me. High Noon? -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04250; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:06:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:06:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201092001.g09K0vQ26576@chmls06.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:57:54 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA03924 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am i missing something, or is this just a basic dynamic level problem...if you turn up at the soft parts, the loud parts become too loud. adding a compressor, expander, or limiter, seems to me, will only increase the noise floor at low volumes (before you add loops live), and compress your dynamics at louder parts. your dynamic range IS WHAT IT IS ...from the softest thing you can hear to the overload of the mixer. again, i might be missing something, but i don't think this is a PROBLEM, per se, more the nature of the audio beast....if your soft (pre-live looping) parts are turned up to be loud, then your loud (post-live looping) parts will be too loud, unless you turn the volume down on some of the pre-existing tracks (or, overdub them with a smaller feedback level). this will continue to be a problem, even using a "non-liniar" setup if you insist on having the soft parts as loud as the loud parts...yes, a compressor will help keep you from clipping the mixer, but your loud parts will get no louder (the sound guy's turning up and down the faders is equivilent to having a compressor on the house mix)....you might be better off working to fit your loops within a usable dynamic range (ie, your soft parts are too soft if the house engineer has to turn you up at those points...you have a mixer right on the repeater, and you know how the music should sound, so your music would be better served if you worked out with the engineer a working level, and you controll the dynamics from stage). deknow >> Hi Per, >> Thanks for your help. As I said in my first message, its not Repeater >> that is overloading, it is my final output that is. If I play through >> my setup without adding any loops to the mix, my gain structure and the >> final output seems fine with no distortion or apparent overloading. But >> if I add even a single repeating loop to the mix while I am playing >> along, the system overloads and eventually distorts. This gain >> structure with the loop created sounds in the mix is what I am trying to >> solve, not something that Repeater is doing. This is something that I >> think would just as easily happen with the EDP. If I bring my initial >> gain structure down enough to accommodate the addition of looped sound >> layers to the mix output, then my volume level being too low creates >> problems for the house mix (who have to turn them up) and also my gain >> structure risks being too close to the noise floor. But, if I bring my >> non-looped gain structure up to a good level for the house and the noise >> floor, when I begin adding in loops to the mix, the volume level output >> goes up (causing the house engineer to have to back off on my fader) and >> my output begins to distort. So, what is the best way to get my rig >> structured properly so that I no longer have this problem. >> Thanks, >> Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:38:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04867; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:16:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:16:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:13:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re; NAMM Show Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be at NAMM on Saturday and Sunday. I was originally going to be working the Rick Turner/Renaissance booth, however we are not having a booth this year, so I get to go as a spectator. You might find me wandering the halls in my LD t-shirt, trying to engage the cadre of strippers and porn stars in deep philosophical conversations. Last year I had an illuminating discourse with one of the naughty nurses at the ESP Booth on the inherant flaws in Karl Marx's dialectic....NOT!!! Is it my imagination or has NAMM started to look more and more like a consumer electronic show in recent years? Last year I went up to the guy at Godlyke (who distribute Maxon products, etc.) to ask who the freakishly endowed,scantilly clad young woman signing autographs and drawing a huge throng to their booth was. He gushed that it was Mimi so and so, his favorite porn star. I then asked him if they wre selling many pedals, at which time he gave one of those looks like I was a complete moron and said, "Who gives a shit?"....Now thats a rock and roll attitutde. Hope to see you there. Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05022; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:17:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201092010.g09KAvP08358@chmls16.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:08:53 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA04549 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...to be more specific: have a "full loud" loop you use for soundcheck (at home, or at the venue) to set the max volume you will play....your softer stuff should be "soft" in relation to that. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:53:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05807; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:31:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:31:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebMail-UserID: modular Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:42:21 +0100 Sender: modular From: modular To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002404 Subject: FS Buchla Thunder Message-ID: <3C5C64D9@smtp.spectraweb.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com homestudio use only, 2000$ Marc Schaffroth CH-3047 Bremgarten / Switzerland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06911; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:45:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c1994d$c3eceba0$bdced63f@richkroll> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <002301c1993e$62b47420$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:38:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <6YjsHC.A.wgB.CoKP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff, I can get you a Baggs dual source for for $175.00 + shipping. Rich sales@rkmusicstore.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there > I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio > Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup > system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?) > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rich" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:32 AM > Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > yep...i'll be there. gonna try and go on Thursday and maybe Friday... > > > > i'd be happy to say hello to anybody who's going that day. perhaps > > meeting at a specific booth might help, since i'm still fuzzy about > > the 'what is where' of the Anaheim convention center... > > > > my haunts this year will, amongst others, will most likely be: > > > > electrix booth > > emagic booth > > qsc booth > > propellerheads booth > > electroharmonix booth > > fender room > > line6 booth > > renaissance guitars > > transperformance booth > > event booth > > > > i might suggest the electroharmonix booth, since from past > > experience, it's usually just an open area that's not packed with > > cubicle walls and tons of product. and we gots our tshirts to > > recognize now, and we can stop doing that L shape on our forehead... > > > > maybe we can all gather and scream at electroharmonix..."where is the > > damn EH-16 reissue!?!" > > > > anywho...let me know what y'all are doin. > > > > best, > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > >I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. > > > > > >I look forward to meeting you, > > > > > >Carl Jacobson > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > >Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers > > >out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between > > >the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around > > >the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. > > >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? > > >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be > > >discussed and arranged. > > > > > >Best regards, > > > > > >Ted Killian > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07282; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:48:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:48:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:30:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Re; NAMM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7rqdBC.A.BnB.xrKP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Rick Turner/Renaissance booth, however we are not having a >booth this year, so I get to go as a spectator. bill, sorry to hear this...i was looking forward to trying out your guitars! > You might find me wandering >the halls in my LD t-shirt, trying to engage the cadre of strippers and >porn stars in deep philosophical conversations. LOL. my fave from last year was laughing my ass off and feeling terribly sorry for the employees of music man/ernie ball, with their faux 60's theme...VW bus, fake afro's, bell bottoms and all. i seriously would have considered quitting my job if i was told to dress like that. >Is it my imagination >or has NAMM started to look more and more like a consumer electronic show >in recent years? my boss has been to the CES (consumer electronics show) for the last 10 years, but now doesn't even bother to go, because it's not business to business people doing deals anymore, but end-user consumers gawking at the new wares. Although i'm guilty of being one of those gawkers in regards to Namm, it seems like it's travelling on the same trajectory. >freakishly endowed,scantilly clad young woman signing >autographs and drawing a huge throng to their booth sure, but for pure entertainment value, who would you rather wait in line for...her? or lars ulrich? seeya there! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:23:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09375; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:01:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:01:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c1994f$6e458340$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <150.6f6bb2d.296d2c34@aol.com> Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:51:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be at the G&L booth. At least part of the time. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10739; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:24:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:24:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:26:00 -0500 Subject: midi foot controller for complex set up From: Paul Reisler To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <57HgOC.A.sgC.SOLP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I've got a rather complex live set up that has far exceeded the number of feet I own and feel the time has come for a midi foot controller. it includes acoustic and electric midi guitars, repeater, jamman, 01v digital mixer, pod, an an extra synth module. wanted to ask for some advice from the list as you all seem to have the best handle on all this re midi foot control. i apologize for the complexity, but that's why i need your help. My live rack is midi acoustic guitars (and some electric gtr) w/ RMC hex pickups feeding Axon AX100-SB (on board sounds) midi guitar converter. midi out to Proteus 3 world (for world sounds), also feed acoustic and midi sounds as well as other instrument mics/pickups into Yamaha 01V digital mixer on stage next to me. sends from mixer to repeater for looping, pod for effects, and jamman (maxed memory but mostly for delay) all returned into mixer channels. I then send my soundman feeds for acoustic sounds, loopers, midi, and effects separately so he can tweak the balances. to further complicate matters, the axon transmits on 7 channels (one for each string and another for the hold function that can be programmed as arpeggiator, sustain, stack, etc. right now, i've got 4 volume pedals for axon, proteus, repeater, and jamman and an awful number of switches for it all. i'm a pretty good player, so my main difficulties are getting my feet tied up. I'd like to be able to tap one tempo and have that set tempo of jamman, repeater, pod and arp tempo in the axon. my understanding of midi foot controllers is a bit thin so correct my ignorance. my understanding is that midi foot controllers don't send sysex in order to control particular units, so i probably need to do it by having different units on different midi channels for example: Midi guitar 1-6 midi guitar hold 7 repeater 8 jam 9 pod 10 proteus 11 In reading the Behringer 1010 manual on line, i can't seem to tell if it allows sending messages on different channels or if it's anywhere near sophisticated enough to handle all this. any enlightenment or suggestions of other units would be much appreciated. my thought is to have a patch for each song that changes tto the appropriate patches on all the units, sets what the cc pedals will control and allows me to tap a tempo that feeds whatever unit needs it. Also if you have any suggestions of appropriate midi routing order or of simplifying the rig. Thanks so much for your patience and help and for all the entertaining and enlightening posts. Best Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki Theatre PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com my kids songwriting project with an amazing CD - my songwriting teaching - my theatre work and the CD/video store From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 17:00:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11921; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:38:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:38:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <186.1899d74.296e10a2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:31:14 EST Subject: Re:Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #18 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 > > number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual > > says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? > > > > Cliff > > Some MIDI controllers won't send the same PC twice in a row, so using PC+1 > for the same function is a work around for this. > > andy > That's irrelevant, sorry to confuse, luckily someone else posted the right answer andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 17:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13254; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:55:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3CBA4A.BEE6D716@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:46:50 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: NAMM References: <200201092123.QAA10558@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but we did get the award for the best booth. Wait 'til you see those sorry suckers this year.... -Hans > LOL. my fave from last year was laughing my ass off and feeling > terribly sorry for the employees of music man/ernie ball, with their > faux 60's theme...VW bus, fake afro's, bell bottoms and all. i > seriously would have considered quitting my job if i was told to > dress like that. > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 17:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16129; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c1995a$e515c4c0$1661f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201092123.QAA10558@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: WEAR YOUR LOOPERS DELIGHT T-SHIRTs TO NAMM on SATURDAY!!! Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:13:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be there on Saturday and Sunday, studiously avoiding the the silicon freekazoids that populate the DEAN guitar booths that my brother mentioned (although discussing the differences between Existential Phenomenology and Phenomenological Existentialism with Mimi Miyagi does sound like a hoot*. Let's wear our LOOPERS DELIGHT t-shirts on Saturday so we can spot each other!!!! take care everyone. Steve Lawson and I might possibly be making some performance appearances at NAMM. watch for it! yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) *If you see two curly haired guys wearing loopers delight t-shirts talking to an overendowed porn star............PLEASE come join the dialectic. "Do you know what looping is?...............you don't?...........well here, it's simple, let me show you..........." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 18:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18718; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:47:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:47:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.a59633f.296e20fa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:40:58 EST Subject: Re: W Y L D T-SHIRTs TO NAMM on SATURDAY!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.a59633f.296e20fa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12a.a59633f.296e20fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/02 5:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > avoiding the the silicon > freekazoids > rick.....great title, can i use it?.....:)m n.p. minus "dark lit".....its fun to put music to names.....thanks dave (review forthcoming or at least somethoughts, got to listen a few more times) --part1_12a.a59633f.296e20fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/02 5:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


avoiding the the silicon
freekazoids


rick.....great title, can i use it?.....:)m
n.p. minus "dark lit".....its fun to put music to names.....thanks dave (review forthcoming or at least somethoughts, got to listen a few more times) --part1_12a.a59633f.296e20fa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 21:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31960; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:58:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:58:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:59:22 -0500 Subject: Re: acoustic pickups From: Paul Reisler To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201092123.QAA10558@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3093454765_2666267_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <8EJKNC.A.guH.UPPP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3093454765_2666267_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi-- i recently got some Pickup the World Pickups and preamps for my acoustic guitar and hammered dulcimer and I like them a lot. They are a film pickup that just tapes under the bridge plate on guitar. you can use them on about anything. They are a bit like the old C-ducer pickups in that they are a film, but they are much lighter and more responsive. I used to use the C-ducers on my hammered dulcimer in the days when I was playing with sax and drums and needed the level. never could stand the sound of those. the Pickup the world system sounds really good a full range. I'd already had my guitars pretty well outfitted already with an RMC in the bridge for acoustic sound and midi, sunrise in the sound hole for the 2 handed tapping stuff, and a flexmic inside for air. i eq to get different parts of each, fairly full range from rmc with the mids cut, cut the top out of the sunrise, and put a high pass filter on the flexmic at around 200 to dump the bottom out of that. The flex and sunrise run into a rane stereo pre with eq. I'm replacing the flexmic with the Pickup the World. If i was just using one source, i'd either use the PUTW or RMC. Both sound real good. The RMC is an amazing thing, but with intonated installation it's probably 700 or so. the PUTW is cheap and easy to install. Their preamp works fine on my hammered dulcimer, but since i have the rane for guitar, since it's got EQ and effects loop, etc and is a bit quieter. They do have a website, but i'm not finding it right now. here's the address. Pick-up the World, Inc 131 E. Francisco St. La Veta, CO 80155 800-375-2656 Fax pickups@rmi.net best paul reisler From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?) Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com - my kids songwriting project with an amazing CD - our theatre work - info on me and my songcamps - our play Three Roses is the centerpiece of a project that deals with issues of women and violenc --MS_Mac_OE_3093454765_2666267_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: acoustic pickups hi--
i recently got some Pickup the World Pickups and preamps for my acoustic gu= itar and hammered dulcimer and I like them a lot.  They are a film pick= up that just tapes under the bridge plate on guitar.  you can use them = on about anything.  They are a bit like the old C-ducer pickups in that= they are a film, but they are much lighter and more responsive.  I use= d to use the C-ducers on my hammered dulcimer in the days when I was playing= with sax and drums and needed the level.  never could stand the sound = of those.
the Pickup the world system sounds really good a full range.  I'd alre= ady had my guitars pretty well outfitted already with an RMC in the bridge f= or acoustic sound and midi, sunrise in the sound hole for the 2 handed tappi= ng stuff, and a flexmic inside for air.  i eq to get different parts of= each, fairly full range from rmc with the mids cut, cut the top out of the = sunrise, and put a high pass filter on the flexmic at around 200 to dump the= bottom out of that.  The flex and sunrise run into a rane stereo pre w= ith eq.
I'm replacing the flexmic with the Pickup the World.  If i was just u= sing one source, i'd either use the PUTW or RMC.  Both sound real good.=  The RMC is an amazing thing, but with intonated installation it's pro= bably 700 or so.  the PUTW is cheap and easy to install.  Their pr= eamp works fine on my hammered dulcimer, but since i have the rane for guita= r, since it's got EQ and effects loop, etc and is a bit quieter.
They do have a website, but i'm not finding it right now.  here's the = address.
Pick-up the World, Inc
131 E. Francisco St.          =       
La Veta, CO 80155    
800-375-2656    Fax      pickups@rm= i.net

best
paul reisler

From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" <= res0koq3@verizon.net>
I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?)


Paul Reisler
Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley
PO Box 38
Washington, VA 22747
540.987.3164
540.987.3166 fax
zoid@pobox.com
<http://www.kidpanalley.org>- my kids songwriting project with an ama= zing CD
<http://www.kitheatre.com> -  our theatre work
<http://www.paulreisler.com> - info on me and my songcamps
<http://www.theroseproject.org> - our play Three Roses is the centerp= iece of a project that deals with issues of women and violenc

--MS_Mac_OE_3093454765_2666267_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 23:13:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07362; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:51:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:51:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:48:52 -0600 Subject: NAMM From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just heard that Electrix won't be exhibiting.....bummer....I have yet to check out this beast....and can't seem to get a reply from the company as to where in my area I can check it out...I live near Nashvegas Tn......tr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 04:26:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27070; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:05:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:05:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:57:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fyi, here are pictures from our 20th anniversary show on tuesday including the obligatory picture of me in a loopers tee shirt. http://www.oldbmw.com/software2002 -plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 05:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28510; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c199ba$cd7be460$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: pictures Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:40:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the pics- quite a setup! Any sounds available? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett L Maraldo" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: pictures > fyi, here are pictures from our 20th anniversary show on tuesday > including the obligatory picture of me in a loopers tee shirt. > > http://www.oldbmw.com/software2002 > > -plexus > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 05:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28615; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:47:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:47:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c199ba$cd7be460$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: <001001c199ba$cd7be460$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:41:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, soon... I taped the show direct to dat. i need to go through the tape and pick out some good parts to put up on the web. i'll post to the list when i have them up. the recording turned out well. -plexus >Thanks for the pics- quite a setup! Any sounds available? > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brett L Maraldo" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:57 AM >Subject: pictures > > >> fyi, here are pictures from our 20th anniversary show on tuesday >> including the obligatory picture of me in a loopers tee shirt. >> > > http://www.oldbmw.com/software2002 >> >> -plexus > > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 10:14:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13792; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:52:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:52:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Effects sale Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:44:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 14:44:43.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[578A5A90:01C199E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi & sorry for the spam. Well, the wife has just quit her & job & so I need to sell some stuff :( I’m in the NYC area & will ship in the USA. Here is what I have for now. MXR Flanger/Doubler (blue face) $275 ProCo R2Du, which the 2 RAT distortions in a rackmount. Comes with the foot switch. $125 Retrospec Squeeze Box, Tube DI/Optical Compressor. Tony Levin uses 3 of them $240 Please contact me directly at tarbit@hotmail.com Happy New Year! LOU _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 13:12:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26827; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.1e11f57.296f2b58@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:37:28 EST Subject: Re: NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <1-Yh0.A.tdG.jFdP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I'll definitely be there on Thursday and Friday. I may opt out of Saturday because I generally try to avoid being in the swarming masses of humanity that come on the weekends (if I don't have to be there). I have some clients to visit with and some old friends to check up on, but otherwise I'll just be wandering the halls looking for whatever is new and different. If I see any LD T-shirts I'll certainly stop and chat. I'll have to hold up my first finger and thumb in the form of an "L" to my forehead as an identifier to in lieu of the shirt however . . . ha! And, of course, I'll be on the lookout for familiar faces like Kim's, Andre's or David's. I'd be happy to grab a coffee (or cerveza) in one of the food courts if anybody cares to. The Line-6 booth generally has an expresso machine (or other fancy coffee dispenser) going at their booth but the lines are usually pretty gosh awful all day every day. See ya on the funway! Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 13:39:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29027; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:10:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:10:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:04:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tom, As far as I can tell, there are no stores located super close to you that carry Repeater. I'm surprised that Guitar Center hasn't put a store in Nashville! One option is to post to our online forum to see if there is a Nashville-based Repeater owner who would be interested in a show-and-tell (maybe Adrian Belew will invite you over to his pad). Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: Tom Roady > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: NAMM > > Just heard that Electrix won't be exhibiting.....bummer....I have yet to > check out this beast....and can't seem to get a reply from the company as > to > where in my area I can check it out...I live near Nashvegas Tn......tr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31097; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [143.231.133.83] From: "Ben Winburn" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AKAi HeadRush Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:34:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 18:34:21.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BF050F0:01C19A05] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I'll take it

From: "christopher white"
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:
Subject: AKAi HeadRush
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:07:33 -0500
I have an Akai headrush for sale dead mint in the box for 140.
Regards
c.white
-----Original Message-----
From: David Jeter [mailto:dbjeter@surplustech.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:33 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: JAM MAN
Thanks.
David Jeter
----- Original Message -----
From: roguemus
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: JAM MAN
> Don't have one at the moment, we will let you know when we do
>
> Dick Michaels
> Rogue Music NYC
>
> David Jeter wrote:
>
> > I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition,
with
> > foot pedal. Any laying around?
> >
> > It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in
conjunction
> > with his drums.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David Jeter
>
>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31081; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:42:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:42:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.227.31.19] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:34:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 18:34:31.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[717E2150:01C19A05] Resent-Message-ID: <1Ntas.A.obH.Z7dP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will definitely be there, too! Friday maybe but for sure on Saturday. Will definitely be checking out our very own Steve Lawson at Ashdown (and Modulus too?). So where are all the LDers going to meet up at? I'll be looking for those t-shirts! Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:29:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00726; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:02:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:02:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3DE38A.70FA00AD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:55:05 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really surprised that Electrix isn't going to be at NAMM. I wonder why? Anyway, about Belew, for those who don't know, he did a video tape in the 80s called something like "How to play electronic guitar." I've got it (I think it's still in print) and it's entertaining from a historical standpoint, but really out of date in terms of modern gear. Maybe a few manufactures should sponsor a second edition of that tape (now in DVD!), done by Adrian (if willing) or someone else, like Dave Torn. I'm sure a tape like that could easily pay for itself in tape and gear sales. I think it would really increase general awareness of the state of the instrument. Mark "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" wrote: > Hi Tom, > > As far as I can tell, there are no stores located super close to you > that carry Repeater. I'm surprised that Guitar Center hasn't put a store in > Nashville! > > One option is to post to our online forum to see if there is a > Nashville-based Repeater owner who would be interested in a show-and-tell > (maybe Adrian Belew will invite you over to his pad). > > Best, Jamie. > > Jamie Drouin > Visual Designer > Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd > 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > > > ---------- > > From: Tom Roady > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2002 7:48 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: NAMM > > > > Just heard that Electrix won't be exhibiting.....bummer....I have yet to > > check out this beast....and can't seem to get a reply from the company as > > to > > where in my area I can check it out...I live near Nashvegas Tn......tr > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01997; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:15:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm really surprised that Electrix isn't going to be at NAMM. I wonder why? Have you SEEN the value of the Canadian Dollar recently? It would cost around 20 million to send us down there right now! ;-P Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03203; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:33:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:33:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c19a0c$bfb9e280$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <17d.1e11f57.296f2b58@aol.com> Subject: WAY OT(sorry): server space Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:26:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry to be so OT - but I changed domains and my friend/teacher has tons of buisness cards with the domain I gave up hosting on- so I still own it but there is no host- all I need is 1 email account- no web pages or anything else- if anyone has suggestions I would appreciate them- none of the free hosts offer POP mail on an exising domain. Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 15:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04699; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:55:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:55:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Magicicada Relaunches (at least 93% done :D ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:55:00 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.magicicada.com has relaunched with a new look. be sure to check out the 'sounds' section and get a look at the 'curious' boxes i am constructiing which include all sorts of goodies. the mp3s will be reloaded up this weekend. thanks for checking it all out! regards, c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 15:40:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07249; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:18:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:18:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201102011.g0AKBaG03586@chmls18.ne.ipsvc.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:09:46 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re: WAY OT(sorry): server space To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA06714 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try www.connactivity.com ... they do our work site, as well as my personal site. i might be getting a better deal due to our business account, but i'm either paying $10 or $20/month for hosting and email (plus $15 for dial up access). deknow >> I'm sorry to be so OT - but I changed domains and my friend/teacher has >> tons >> of buisness cards with the domain I gave up hosting on- so I still own it >> but there is no host- all I need is 1 email account- no web pages or >> anything else- if anyone has suggestions I would appreciate them- none of >> the free hosts offer POP mail on an exising domain. >> Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 15:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07514; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:22:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:22:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c19a13$ac4d7ca0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Magicicada Relaunches (at least 93% done :D ) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:16:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks nice- good job. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: Magicicada Relaunches (at least 93% done :D ) > www.magicicada.com > > has relaunched with a new look. > > be sure to check out the 'sounds' section and get a look at > the 'curious' boxes i am constructiing which include all > sorts of goodies. the mp3s will be reloaded up this weekend. > thanks for checking it all out! > regards, > c.white > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 15:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08379; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:37:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:37:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c19a0c$bfb9e280$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <17d.1e11f57.296f2b58@aol.com> <001001c19a0c$bfb9e280$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:30:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: WAY OT(sorry): server space Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 AM -0800 1/10/02, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: >I'm sorry to be so OT - but I changed domains and my friend/teacher has tons >of buisness cards with the domain I gave up hosting on- so I still own it >but there is no host- all I need is 1 email account- no web pages or >anything else- if anyone has suggestions I would appreciate them- none of >the free hosts offer POP mail on an exising domain. I might be slack wrt Loopers of NY but I can certainly give you (or anyone else) on the list this... contact me offline for the details... /t -- http://whatGoes.com/submit ............................. submit to the calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ............................... a new fortune every minute. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 16:26:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11543; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3E0D59.9A541E24@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:53:29 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope someone will take a camera to document LD'ers NAMM presence. I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one, and BrettM in another). I figure 3 photos will be enough to build a web page. Anyone else is welcome to send me photos of their shirts in exotic or even mundane locations! later, -jas Albuquerque max valentino wrote: > I will definitely be there, too! Friday maybe but for sure on Saturday. > Will definitely be checking out our very own Steve Lawson at Ashdown (and > Modulus too?). So where are all the LDers going to meet up at? I'll be > looking for those t-shirts! > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 16:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13578; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:32:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:32:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:25:17 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: A call to Boston Loopers - performance space @ Zeitgeist Gallery X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, all. Below is the official announcement for the new music series that I will be curating, beginning in February, at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, MA. Being a looper myself, I'd like to invite all who desire a live looping performance opportunity to read the following, and contact me if you are interested in participating. Focusing on "new music," in my opinion, would not be complete without the prescence of the looping community. I want to provide an opportunity for audiences to be exposed to loop-based music in all its forms, and I hope that this series can be a space to benefit the growth and development of the LD community. Thanks. -------------------------- Beginning February 3rd, 2002, and continuing on the first and third Sunday of every month, Telepathy Records is proud to announce a series of new sounds at the Zeitgeist Gallery, Cambridge MA, made possible through the formation of a Telepathy-sponsored collective named a.i.m. (advanced idea mechanics). This "freeform collective" will be dedicated solely to the furthering of new art, in a variety of media, and with a respectful disregard for the pigeonholing that accompanies most stylistic labeling. a.i.m is an effort toward the advancement of the new music of a new century. Not a record label, not a production company, not an agency or profit-based cooperative, a.i.m. is a non-formalized collaborative effort among artists, operating as a subsidiary of Telepathy Records, both overseen by Elio DeLuca. Through the release of recordings and the staging & promotion of live events, a.i.m. strives to champion the cutting edge in sonic arts, regardless of style, genre or form. Utilizing the resources of Telepathy Records, and echoing the label's commitment to both the success of independent music and the deconstruction of the stagnant commercial mainstream, the goal of a.i.m. is to promote the work of a wide variety of sonic artists. Live performances (in all possible spaces), compilations of new music and the release of albums by members of tomorrow's avant-garde, sonic installations, and mixed media events all fall within a.i.m.'s reach. Starting in February, a.i.m. will curate a concert series, entitled "The Sketchpad," to be held at the Zeitgeist Gallery, in Cambridge, MA. The series will feature new sounds in a wide array of styles, with a distinct focus on the art of improvisation, and favoring the forms of new music least heard at other venues (noise, ambient, IDM, loop-based music, etc). "The pad" will occur regularly on the first and third Sunday of each month, with showtime at 8 PM and a cover charge of $6 (both apt to change for to-be-announced "special events"). For more information, including the calendar of upcoming performances, check out: http://aim.telepathyrecords.com For booking information, email: aim@telepathyrecords.com The Zeitgeist Gallery, located at 312 Broadway in Cambridge (just outside of Central Square), has long been heralded as the last gasp of loft-type performances spaces in the Boston area, maintaining both a high profile in city culture and a noble dedication to marginalized art forms. The Gallery was awarded "Best Art Gallery" in the 2001 Reader's Poll in the Boston Phoenix. For more info, check out: http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org Telepathy Records, near to completing its second year of operation, defines itself as a "freeform" independent label, dedicated to allowing the artist's voice to be heard while still penetrating the commercial mainstream of "independent" music, in genres ranging from jazz to electronica to rock n' roll. Telepathy is unique in the capacity to which it involves its artists in every stage of record production and distribution, seeking to release product that is as whole-formed as the music contained within it. The Telepathy catalog includes releases from Pheeroan akLaff & Michael Cain, Danielle Geihs Band, Elio DeLuca, and Pete Robbins. Upcoming releases in 2002 include albums from No Sale Value, Twisted Hoedown, and Ellipsis. For more info, visit telepathyrecords.com To be added to the a.i.m. mailing list, reply to this email with "subscribe" in the subject header. Peace! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 17:21:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16708; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.16a3ef13.296f6700@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:52:00 EST Subject: Re: Magicicada Relaunches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d.16a3ef13.296f6700_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <9xtgCB.A.wqD.i0gP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_2d.16a3ef13.296f6700_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 2:50:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, magicicada@charter.net writes: > www.magicicada.com > chris.....wonderful site, i luv your sense of design....."curious" boxes, very neat idea, if the work is as tasteful as the art for STATIC LINE sign me up!.....:)m --part1_2d.16a3ef13.296f6700_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 2:50:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, magicicada@charter.net writes:


www.magicicada.com


chris.....wonderful site, i luv your sense of design....."curious" boxes, very neat idea, if the work is as tasteful as the art for STATIC LINE sign me up!.....:)m --part1_2d.16a3ef13.296f6700_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 17:25:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16978; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:03:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:56:23 EST Subject: Re: NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f6.14c93c08.296f6807_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f6.14c93c08.296f6807_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 4:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, jfink@cabq.gov writes: > I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one gads.....what size was that shirt?.....:)m --part1_f6.14c93c08.296f6807_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 4:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, jfink@cabq.gov writes:


I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one


gads.....what size was that shirt?.....:)m --part1_f6.14c93c08.296f6807_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 17:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16949; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:02:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:02:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:55:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C3E0D59.9A541E24@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about noon on Saturday at Cakewalk or Ashdown? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM I hope someone will take a camera to document LD'ers NAMM presence. I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one, and BrettM in another). I figure 3 photos will be enough to build a web page. Anyone else is welcome to send me photos of their shirts in exotic or even mundane locations! later, -jas Albuquerque max valentino wrote: > I will definitely be there, too! Friday maybe but for sure on Saturday. > Will definitely be checking out our very own Steve Lawson at Ashdown (and > Modulus too?). So where are all the LDers going to meet up at? I'll be > looking for those t-shirts! > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 17:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17924; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:21:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:21:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c19a24$3b2ba220$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <3C3E0D59.9A541E24@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:14:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll probably bring a digital on Friday- I'm avoiding that place like the plague on Sat and Sun this year- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: Re: NAMM > I hope someone will take a camera to document LD'ers NAMM presence. > > I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one, and > BrettM in another). I figure 3 photos will be enough to build a web page. > > Anyone else is welcome to send me photos of their shirts in exotic or > even mundane locations! > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > max valentino wrote: > > > I will definitely be there, too! Friday maybe but for sure on Saturday. > > Will definitely be checking out our very own Steve Lawson at Ashdown (and > > Modulus too?). So where are all the LDers going to meet up at? I'll be > > looking for those t-shirts! > > Max > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 18:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21785; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:16:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110180357.00a7b300@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:05:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: NAMM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wise..................ass! :^) -t- At 04:56 PM 1/10/02 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/10/02 4:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jfink@cabq.gov writes: > > >>I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one > > >gads.....what size was that shirt?.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 19:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24562; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3E28D3.70D1676D@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:50:43 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: finally made it thru the loopers profile... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9hdChD.A.05F.0kiP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=011002174832 cheers Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 23:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10032; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:13:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:13:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:07:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: CD Spam Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you haven't already made your list of "Best CDs of 2002," you might consider my new album, "Ayatollah of Understatement." http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn Looping content includes "Last Call for Archimedes" and "Is Your News Safe?" (Both of which can also be had for free at the Ampcast page.) Overall, though, it's structured as -- believe it or not -- a Pop album. John Sherwood, who you probably have never heard of, had this to say about the album: "From the very first second it grabbed me and kept hold of me all the way through. I'll be honest and say that when I'm 'A&R-ing' I tend to use skip-to-next-track quite a lot (who doesn't) but not in your case. The whole thing is amazing - especially 'Polarizers' man thats my fave track." --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 03:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20868; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:48:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:48:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c19a74$310b6a00$58f638cb@n> From: "Steven" To: Cc: References: <001701c19a38$815d3560$cd8efcd8@sales> Subject: Re: [midiguitar] midi foot controllers for complex set up Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:47:01 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello has anyone given the new Digital Music Midi footcontroller a decent workout, assuming its available yet Steven Ground Control Pro http://www.voodoolab.com/gcsystem.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 03:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22689; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006d01c19a74$310b6a00$58f638cb@n> References: <001701c19a38$815d3560$cd8efcd8@sales> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:02:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: [midiguitar] midi foot controllers for complex set up Resent-Message-ID: <8SJMgB.A.zeF.2upP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hello >has anyone given the new Digital Music Midi footcontroller a decent workout, >assuming its available yet >Steven >Ground Control Pro >http://www.voodoolab.com/gcsystem.html I wonder if their sequel will be called "Major Tom" .... Me, I'm considering getting an organ pedalboard sort of thing -- an octave or two of foot keys -- and simply mapping the MIDI notes to FX ... --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 03:33:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22828; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:10:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:10:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Original-From: "Tony Moore" Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:03:36 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: alesis wedge fs X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: Tony Moore Message-Id: <20020111.030340.24033.28158@wm12.jersey.juno.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone interested in an alesis wedge multi-fx unit? very cool interface and cool sounds abound. complete with funky cable, manual and original box. not quite sure what it's worth, but i'd also trade for a dl4. thanks! tony tony-moore@juno.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 03:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22935; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:13:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:13:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Original-From: "Tony Moore" Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:06:04 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: peavey midi foot controller fs X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: Tony Moore Message-Id: <20020111.030610.24033.28159@wm12.jersey.juno.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey folks, i bought this peavey midi foot controller to use with my repeater. i've never used it and i know i'm too lazy to learn this midi stuff. the little digitech pedal and the front panel controls are fine for me. any fair offer or trade considered. thanks! tony tony-moore@juno.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 06:09:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32308; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:46:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:46:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014901c19a8c$b42c8500$8b61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201102044.PAA08862@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Electrix no show at NAMM, Jamman Upgrades and more Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:42:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gosh, I hope it is not a bad sign that Electrix will not be showing at NAMM. That is a big mistake in marketing, if you ask me. I hope they are doing o.k. financially!!! I've been personally responsible for the sale of 5 of the beasties so far. What an amazing instrument. I also just recieved my incredible Lexicon Jammman upgrade chip from Bob Sellons. Go to his website, buy one of his CDs and he'll send you the upgrade GRATIS!!!!!! It allows for delays after the loop (like the DL-4), the ability to play the loop via midi like a mellotron and many, many more cool things. Thanks so much Bob for your contribution to Looping........The music is really cool, too. see ya all at NAMM. I'll be wearing a loopers delight t-shirt on Saturday afternoon with Fuscia pants (that's right, I said Fuscia pants !!!! ;-) and I have long dirty blonde hair in a pony tail with large silver hoop earrings in both ears. Please come up and say hi if you are from Loopers Delight. yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 07:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05777; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:07:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:07:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.6fecc15.29702dda@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:00:26 EST Subject: Re: midi foot controller for complex set up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <-ZA5eC.A.kVB.FQtP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In reading the Behringer 1010 manual on line, i can't seem to tell if it > allows sending messages on different channels or if it's anywhere near > sophisticated enough to handle all this. yeah, it's not at all to work this out without trying the device itself This is what I get from the manual. As you read this, note that Behringer have their own specific use for the term "function" Yes, it does different channels (according to sectio 2.2 of the manual) . But only on a per function basis. There are 10 functions -5 PG changes -2 CC values -2 Controller Numbers for the 2 Pedals - only one Note On Each preset can send up to (all) 10 functions when the switch is pressed. ...but you can't program Channel No. for each switch. e.g. the first PG change (function) is always on the same channel. you can only send notes on one Channel the expression pedals can access different CCs but you have to program Globally to change the Channel. If this is right ( and I've been wrong on many occaisions) then the Behringer unit is no good for you. (wont even let you changed the program on each string without global reprogramming) ...and I don't have any good suggestions for you , the Yamaha MFC-10 sends any 4 messages on any 4 channels (per switch) so you'd have to press more than one switch for a change of setup. and it has enough latency to put most people off using to tap in loops. anyone else know more ??? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 07:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05812; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:08:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:08:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <180.1ede3ba.29702e17@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:01:27 EST Subject: adrian belew / david torn videos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, nobody *ever* calls me *dave*! *-) >Maybe a few manufactures should >sponsor a second edition of that tape (now in DVD!), done by Adrian (if >willing) or someone else, like Dave Torn. i never saw adrian's tape; however, i did a 2-video-set (in 1992) called 'painting w/guitar', which is still available from homespun video. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 10:03:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16152; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:41:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:41:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c19aac$e52f0180$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <200201102044.PAA08862@hemlock.violacea.com> <014901c19a8c$b42c8500$8b61f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: Electrix no show at NAMM, Jamman Upgrades and more Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:33:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" > see ya all at NAMM. I'll be wearing a loopers delight t-shirt on Saturday > afternoon > with Fuscia pants (that's right, I said Fuscia pants !!!! ;-) and I have > long dirty blonde hair in a pony tail with large silver hoop earrings in > both ears. Please come up and say hi if you are from Loopers Delight. Booth? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 10:37:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20004; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adrian belew / david torn videos Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:07:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 15:07:49.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBEE73A0:01C19AB1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy New Year. You can find the belew tape online here http://www.gtrheaven.com/videos.htm You can also sometimes find cool used gtr effects there too... DT's Painting with Guitar http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/prodpg.asp?prodID=564 These are great! A sequel co-starting the EDP & Repeater would be cool too :) Cheers Lou Rossi _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 10:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19947; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:14:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <439771B91064D51196840002A5515B4601FBCE@GBXLN1-ML01> From: Edward Pirie To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Meatball/QTron Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:09:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone in the UK have a Lovetone Meatball/QTron for sale? I'm prepared to pay good bucks for a good one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 10:59:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21532; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c19ab3$ed122f60$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: OT: dave? david? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:23:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt/splattercell said: >nobody *ever* calls me *dave*! are you saying i need to change that line on my site that says "Suit's favourite looping artists are wildly different yet equally genius Dave Torn and Bob Fripp."? ;) my favourite part in the ELP "Welcome Back" video is when Greg Lake says that he "took up playing bass as a favour to my (his) friend, Bob Fripp" haha Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 11:34:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22932; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:58:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:58:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c19ab7$1fd17d40$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: being a namm no-show doesn't garauntee failure. Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:46:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <1mj4zB.A.lgF.4owP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roger Arrick's modular synth company, Synthesizers.com, has never shown at a trade show and he's already shipped more systems than Moog did. i think electrix will survive. doing the trade show would be nice, though. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 11:49:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27164; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:27:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:27:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:18:59 -0500 From: steve d Subject: Grungy Digital Delays? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all I've been lurking on and off for a few years, don't think I've ever posted. Anywho, my primary long delay is a Korg SDD-2000. When feedback is cranked and the preamp section is just a tad overloaded the sound degenerates in such a dirty, fractured and grungy way that to me is pure magic. My only complaint is I would like a bit more than 4.368 seconds of delay. I've tried the old 12 bit DODs and Digitechs, they had the warmth I like but not the grunge. The Jamman is way to clean for me. The same goes for all 16 bit machines. I've considered getting a DL4 but from what I understand the bit reduction settings don't allow for more then 2.6 seconds of delay, I really need more time then that. The Line 6 Pro unit looks good but it's too pricey for me. My question is are there other boxes out there with the characteristics I'm l described? How are the old Ibanez/Maxon 8 bit boxes? Can they be tweaked out for longer delay lengths? Or perhaps there's some way of getting the same effect using a Digitech/DOD 8 second unit but degenerating the sound outboard in the feedback loop. Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. thanks steve d http://www.mp3.com/skullsaw Music and Marmoset Recipes http://skullsaw.topcities.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:16:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28819; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:52:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:52:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:45:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 16:45:12.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[56762960:01C19ABF] Resent-Message-ID: <3FjjBD.A.l5G.3axP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone compared the Vortex sounds on the G2 to the original unit? Any thoughts on how it sounds. Can you morph on the g2 as well? Thanks Lou _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:24:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30633; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:02:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:02:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:55:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 16:55:35.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9D173F0:01C19AC0] Resent-Message-ID: <1-aKOC.A.EGH.pkxP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there... Not sure on this one but I really love the low bandwidth on the Digitech Echo+. This 8-second box is a nice contrast to EDP in my setup & you can do some cool things w/ it in real time with the knobs. Frisell still uses one & with awesome results…I’m looking for the 8-second time machine by Digitech so you can play with the LFO too…Speaking of DDL’s a PCM42 would be nice to. It is very sad that no one makes just a "simple" DDL anymore. :( Ciao. LOU _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31248; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:11:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:03:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve d writes: >I've tried the old 12 bit DODs and Digitechs, they had the warmth I like >but not the grunge. The Jamman is way to clean for me. The same goes for >all 16 bit machines. I've considered getting a DL4 but from what I >understand the bit reduction settings don't allow for more then 2.6 >seconds of delay, I really need more time then that. The Line 6 Pro unit >looks good but it's too pricey for me. Say what? The DL4 allows for at least 14 seconds of delay in all modes, even just the footpedal! Aren't I right?! Am I mistaken? /t -- http://whatGoes.com/submit ............................. submit to the calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ............................... a new fortune every minute. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32387; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:30:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:30:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:13:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>allow for more then 2.6 >>seconds of delay, I really need more time then that. The Line 6 Pro unit >>looks good but it's too pricey for me. > >Say what? The DL4 allows for at least 14 seconds of delay in all modes, >even just the footpedal! > >Aren't I right?! Am I mistaken? yes, you are mistaken. the dl4 has a looper mode of 14 seconds (28 at lower sampling rate). however, ALL the delay models max out at about 2.6 seconds. also, i don't think the Echo Pro does any different with regards to the delay models. it has a 60 second looper section, but as far as i know, the delay models are directly from the dl4. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32294; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:28:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:28:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Fri, 11 Jan 02 11:42:44 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:20:41 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA31809 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also the "Time Machines" have an internal trimpot that you can adjust resolution/delay time ratio to the point of aliased madness. Any commentary on this, Suit? >>> "Louis Rossi" 01/11/02 11:05AM >>> Hey there... Not sure on this one but I really love the low bandwidth on the Digitech Echo+. This 8-second box is a nice contrast to EDP in my setup & you can do some cool things w/ it in real time with the knobs. Frisell still uses one & with awesome resultsàIÆm looking for the 8-second time machine by Digitech so you can play with the LFO tooàSpeaking of DDLÆs a PCM42 would be nice to. It is very sad that no one makes just a "simple" DDL anymore. :( Ciao. LOU _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 13:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01064; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:44:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:44:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014901c19a8c$b42c8500$8b61f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200201102044.PAA08862@hemlock.violacea.com> <014901c19a8c$b42c8500$8b61f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:27:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Electrix no show at NAMM, Jamman Upgrades and more Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Gosh, I hope it is not a bad sign that Electrix will not be showing at NAMM. > >That is a big mistake in marketing, if you ask me. I hope they are doing >o.k. financially!!! agree and disagree here... imo, if electrix cannot justify the expense of the show with more sales, then it's just financially silly to go. trade shows in all kinds of industries are suffering this same problem. Companies are finding more effective and innovative ways of reaching their target markets rather than spending the cash for the trade show. however... last year electrix showed their new baby, which was only partially functional. and they missed their release date. by that time, a lot of ads and mail order catalogs had the unit being shown, but if you called, you couldn't get it. since us loopheads will often follow a product until we can get our grubby little hands on it, we know about the repeater. but how many potential buyers who showed mild interest, but lost track of it after the initial ad releases will have forgotten about it completely now? especially since they won't get reminded at Namm with a fully functional unit hitting them square in the forehead? "OH!!!! yeah! that was that cool machine they were developing last year! i forgot about it! let's check it out and see if it lives up to the hype!" best of luck electrix. i've had a chance to play with your machine, and i think it will fit my playing/composition style extremely well. i'm looking forward to buying one late spring/early summer. please stick around to keep making/supporting this baby, eh? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 13:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01665; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:52:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:52:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <125.a167325.29707edb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:46:03 EST Subject: Re: adrian belew / david torn videos / NAMM story To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, Adrian Belew Electronic Guitar (60 mins.) Copyright 1984 DCI Music Video Productions available at: http://www.gtrheaven.com/videos.htm David Torn Painting with Guitar (2 tape series / total time: 130 mins.) Copyright 1993 Homespun Tapes Ltd. available at: http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/prodpg.asp?prodID=564 I own both of these and while I have enjoyed both and have benefited from both I'd still have to say that the later has been more useful. Belew's video is mostly built around getting specific, signature, oddball sounds from various devices that are no longer available. He does explain a small number of physical playing techniques too, but these are few and far between as I recall. It's also a gas to see him experiment live on camera. But, while it is a terrific peek at the "wizard" behind the curtain (so to speak, for anyone who has ever heard his music and wondered "how the heck did he do that?") it doesn't translate much beyond that in overall usefulness. On the other hand, while Mr. Torn in his videos also makes use of a number of similarly esoteric (and probably no longer available) devices, the explanations he gives of his techniques are generally more transferable to other devices and styles of music. His demonstrations seem to reveal at least as much of the "architecture" as it does of the "hardware" behind his approach. This is more useful in my opinion. And there's still the same "peek behind the curtain" aspect of it too -- and, as expected, the playing is fascinating to listen to/watch as well. As an aside: I bought the DTPWG video at one of my first NAMM shows (in the early '90s when I was working for Seymour Duncan). It was at the end of the day and not 5-10 minutes after making my purchase -- when I was rushing back across the hall to meet up with my coworkers to head out for the evening's activities -- and just who should I almost physically run into rounding a corner (whilst not looking and concentrating on other things) but Mr. Torn himself. Of course, like the doofus I am, I said: "Excuse me, uh, err.... Hi, aren't you David Torn? I reeeeeally like your stuff. Keep it up (or some other silliness). Have a great show!" Then I hurried off like the happy, harried idiot I was. He probably wondered "What the _____ was that all about?" Anywho, it didn't occur to me that I had his videos in a bag under my arm (and might have gotten them autographed). I was too embarrassed by the situation of almost having bumped into a fellow struggling along with a walking stick (not to mention that it turned out to be an artist who's work I happen to think rather a very great deal of). Ah . . . so it goes. Anyway, if you go to NAMM, watch out where you are going. You never know just who you may bump into. Best, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 13:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03970; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:08:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:08:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c19ac9$42ae2ea0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:56:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com D00D!!! you GOTTA get a Digitech RDS unit and adjust the trimpots as described on Kim's excellent Loopers' Delight site. I have an RDS 7.6 tricked out to 36 seconds of SHITTY SHITTY SHITTY delay and an RDS 8000 adjusted for 16 seconds of moderately shitty delay. i don't know if these adjustments can be made to the PDS series. they make such a lovely contrast for the Repeater to work against. if you want to hear this shixnit in effect, please go to the "music" page of my website. toodles!! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 13:48:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05355; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:26:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:26:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c19acb$b10f67e0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:13:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Also the "Time Machines" have an internal trimpot that you can adjust resolution/delay time ratio to the point of aliased madness. Any commentary on this, Suit? some more, yes my friend. this commentary is all from my own perspective and ears ... i do not actually know what the structure of this device _is_. the anti-aliasing filter on the RDS-7.6 is calibrated for a _seven_point_six_ second delay. period. when you adjust the delay time using the trimpot, the filter cutoff stays the same. i went from a 7.6 sec delay to a 35+second delay ... which puts the filter cutoff above the sampling frequency, and FAR past the Nyquihst frequency ... the signal is totally aliasing out of control. that's why i said it was a SHITTY SHITTY SHITTY delay ... it's beautiful. i think the RDS-8000 is structured differently, because i get no aliasing. these delays are great. i'm trying to build a modular synth, and they have such nice interfacing i think i need to get a few more of them to incorporate in modular patches. they really are amazing pieces of gear and i regret ever selling the first one i got ... thank god he sold it back to me. you know the rumour Pat Matheny buys every GR-300 that pops up on Ebay? i might be like that with RDS units in about 10 years. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 14:44:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10275; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:19:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c19ad3$fa06a140$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <005301c19acb$b10f67e0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:12:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice -with guitar! I wonder how they sound? Ebay:Item # 1404629283 Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > >Also the "Time Machines" have an internal trimpot that you can adjust > resolution/delay time ratio to the point of aliased madness. Any commentary on > this, Suit? > > some more, yes my friend. this commentary is all from my own perspective and > ears ... i do not actually know what the structure of this device _is_. > > the anti-aliasing filter on the RDS-7.6 is calibrated for a _seven_point_six_ > second delay. period. when you adjust the delay time using the trimpot, the > filter cutoff stays the same. i went from a 7.6 sec delay to a 35+second delay > ... which puts the filter cutoff above the sampling frequency, and FAR past the > Nyquihst frequency ... the signal is totally aliasing out of control. that's why > i said it was a SHITTY SHITTY SHITTY delay ... it's beautiful. > > i think the RDS-8000 is structured differently, because i get no aliasing. > > these delays are great. i'm trying to build a modular synth, and they have such > nice interfacing i think i need to get a few more of them to incorporate in > modular patches. they really are amazing pieces of gear and i regret ever > selling the first one i got ... thank god he sold it back to me. > > you know the rumour Pat Matheny buys every GR-300 that pops up on Ebay? i might > be like that with RDS units in about 10 years. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13883; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:05:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:05:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c19ad9$9f966960$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:53:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4cFd4.A.n-C.8P0P8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Nice -with guitar! I wonder how they sound? Ebay:Item # 1404629283 let's see ... i traded a used MS2000 keyboard for my GR-300 with red strat at a _dealer_. that looks real nice but the high bidder is "shady" with no feedback. i wonder how that transaction will pan out. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14135; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:09:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:09:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3F449D.C4BB1DD1@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:01:33 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve d wrote: > Anywho, my primary long delay is a Korg SDD-2000. When feedback is > cranked and the preamp section is just a tad overloaded the sound > degenerates in such a dirty, fractured and grungy way that to me is pure > magic. My only complaint is I would like a bit more than 4.368 seconds > of delay. For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:36:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14388; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:14:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c19adb$70baf320$d48c193e@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: Slightly OT: CENTROZOON UK Gigs Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:06:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Lee Fletcher" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, Please find below a copy of latest CENTROZOON Press Release FYI... Those of you who are familiar with Markus Reuter's touchstyle guitar craft will most likely value his contributions to the loop world. If you live in the UK then I heartily recommend a 'live' induction to the sonic world of CENTROZOON this February! :-) Regards, Lee. CENTROZOON have commenced work on their 4th studio album, which will usher in a new trio formation: Markus Reuter (touch guitar) and Bernhard Wostheinrich (synthesizers & percussion) are joined by 'No-Man' vocalist Tim Bowness, who recently hooked up with the former duo in Germany to prepare material for a new album. The band will undertake their debut UK tour next month, giving British audiences the first opportunity to sample this trio configuration. The following dates are now confirmed, and with high demand evident all are advised to book tickets in advance: Date: Saturday 23rd February 2002 Venue: Buddle Arts Centre, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear (www.northtynesidearts.org.uk) Box Office: (0191) 2007132 Note: Duo performance, (Markus Reuter & Bernhard Wostheinrich) Date: Tuesday 26th February 2002 Venue: Phoenix Arts Centre, Exeter, Devon (www.exeterphoenix.org.uk) Box Office: (01392) 667080 Note: Trio performance, featuring Tim Bowness on vocals Date: Thursday 28th February 2002 Venue: The Assembly House Centre, Norwich, Norfolk (www.assemblyhousenorwich.co.uk) Box Office: (01603) 660352 / 'Burning Shed' shop @ www.burningshed.com Note: Trio performance, featuring Tim Bowness on vocals. CENTROZOON share the bill with fellow 'Burning Shed' artists: Roger Eno, Peter Chilvers and Mark Beazley (of ROTHKO). A further date in the Oxford area is under discussion, but as yet unconfirmed. In other CENTROZOON news: The 3-track vinyl 12" Centrophil EP is finally available! Watch out soon for another Free Give-away at: www.centrozoon.de... Finally, web visitors are treated to another exclusive download in the form of: Thusgg (Wodka Remix) produced by Rutzel79. The original mix resides on the (as yet unreleased) album 'The Cult Of: Bibbiboo'. To access this MP3 file please visit the Downloads area @ www.centrozoon.de. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:46:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15335; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:26:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:26:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:18:21 -0500 From: steve d Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C3F488D.39B1@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK folks, you don't have to keep telling me to check out the Digitech/DOD units. I already said that I've owned them in the past. I've had the 8000, 4000, 3.6 and 7.6. I have a RDS1900 sitting here now tweaked to 8 seconds or so. They don't even come close to the sound of my SDD-2000. I think the magic of the SDD-2000 is a combination of it's preamp section and the @4kHz bandwidth. Actually what i really want is to go back to dual reel to reels. I used to use a pair of misaligned decks that sounded incredible. If anyone in northern NJ is looking to dump one or two decks give me a shout :) s - d -- Music and Marmoset Recipes http://skullsaw.topcities.com/ skullsaw mp3 http://www.mp3.com/skullsaw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:54:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15801; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:31:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:31:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:23:37 -0500 From: steve d Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C3F49C9.53F6@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> <3C3F449D.C4BB1DD1@pa.msu.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <3vs9RB.A.WtD.so0P8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d -- Music and Marmoset Recipes http://skullsaw.topcities.com/ skullsaw mp3 http://www.mp3.com/skullsaw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 16:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20115; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804921@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:04:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19AE3.946427D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AE3.946427D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function. stig -----Original Message----- From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d -- Music and Marmoset Recipes http://skullsaw.topcities.com/ skullsaw mp3 http://www.mp3.com/skullsaw Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AE3.946427D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Grungy Digital Delays?

i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central= for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible = he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c= search function.


stig

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM
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> For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pre= ssed to top the
> Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay.

Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are p= riced way over
my head. Were these 8 bit?

s - d

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AE3.946427D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 17:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27523; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:22:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804921@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3093603741_142189_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <4pJ4P.A.ikG.xW2P8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3093603741_142189_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack unit of any kind. are you talking about something the guy made or wot? and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended the delay to the full 16sec. s i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function. stig -----Original Message----- From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d --MS_Mac_OE_3093603741_142189_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack uni= t of any kind.
are you talking about something the guy made or wot?
and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended= the delay to the full 16sec.
s


i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central fo= r about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's= had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c sear= ch function.

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?

> For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard presse= d to top the
> Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. <= BR>
Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are pric= ed way over
my head. Were these 8 bit?

s - d

--MS_Mac_OE_3093603741_142189_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 18:25:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30538; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:01:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:01:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Fri, 11 Jan 02 17:15:18 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:52:53 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA28983 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If memory serves(and it often doesn't), there was a rackmount digital delay line - 32 seconds or something like that, although I think it was never mass-produced. The EH Guitar Synthesizer was also a rackmount unit (not the bass or bass-micro), the stereo Ambitron (I think), and the EH vocoder were rackmount as well. This sounds like a custom job, though. -K >>> Stan Card 01/11/02 04:32PM >>> hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack unit of any kind. are you talking about something the guy made or wot? and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended the delay to the full 16sec. s i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function. stig -----Original Message----- From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:07:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00922; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:45:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:45:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804925@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:36:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19AF8.C1C4ED80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AF8.C1C4ED80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i have heard before, and the ad seems to corroborate this, that someone modified the eh 16-second delay so that it was rack-mounted. nope, not talking about the 64-second rackmount that eh made. stig -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack unit of any kind. are you talking about something the guy made or wot? and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended the delay to the full 16sec. s i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function. stig -----Original Message----- From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AF8.C1C4ED80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec?
i have heard before, and the ad seems to corroborate this, that someone modified the eh 16-second delay so that it was rack-mounted.
 
nope, not talking about the 64-second rackmount that eh made.
 
stig
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:22 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec?

hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack unit of any kind.
are you talking about something the guy made or wot?
and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended the delay to the full 16sec.
s


i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function.

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?

> For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the
> Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay.

Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over
my head. Were these 8 bit?

s - d



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AF8.C1C4ED80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:14:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01214; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:51:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:51:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c19af9$36b2b460$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:39:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry. how about a bit-decimator in an external feedback loop with the delays? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:44:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04757; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:22:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:22:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c19aff$289e8560$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul Pokorski" To: References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:22:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <0UX0xC.A.gEB.TB4P8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had an Ibanez stomp pedal-type of delay a while back that sounded very good. For grins, and because it wasn't a lot of $$$, I bought a Boss DD-5 Digital Delay just to see how they sound compared to rack-type (various) units. It's actually not too bad and has a decent amount of progammability for four knobs. Regards, Butch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > steve d writes: > > >I've tried the old 12 bit DODs and Digitechs, they had the warmth I like > >but not the grunge. The Jamman is way to clean for me. The same goes for > >all 16 bit machines. I've considered getting a DL4 but from what I > >understand the bit reduction settings don't allow for more then 2.6 > >seconds of delay, I really need more time then that. The Line 6 Pro unit > >looks good but it's too pricey for me. > > Say what? The DL4 allows for at least 14 seconds of delay in all modes, > even just the footpedal! > > Aren't I right?! Am I mistaken? > > /t > > -- > > http://whatGoes.com/submit ............................. submit to > the calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ............................... a new fortune > every minute. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05322; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:35:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:35:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <185.1f82735.2970dd34@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:28:36 EST Subject: OT?: Jamman, & RDS 7.6 for sale. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. Forgive me if this too of topic, but I just wanted to mention that I am selling a Lexicon Jamman (full memory & one pedal), and a Digitech RDS 7.6. I thought that someone on the Looper'sDelight maillist might be interested in these. In addition, I also have a Boss SE-70 for sale. Please email me privately if your are interested in any of these items. Thanks, Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 20:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08125; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.83] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: adrian belew / david torn videos / NAMM story Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:59:58 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F06@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <125.a167325.29707edb@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 00:59:59.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[75209A90:01C19B04] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of the Torn video's, I have a set I'd like to sell. Probably only viewed 1/2 a dozen times. Excellent condition. Email me privately at g716. It's a hotmail address. $30 + -Greg -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adrian belew / david torn videos / NAMM story All, Adrian Belew Electronic Guitar (60 mins.) Copyright 1984 DCI Music Video Productions available at: http://www.gtrheaven.com/videos.htm David Torn Painting with Guitar (2 tape series / total time: 130 mins.) Copyright 1993 Homespun Tapes Ltd. available at: http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/prodpg.asp?prodID=564 I own both of these and while I have enjoyed both and have benefited from both I'd still have to say that the later has been more useful. Belew's video is mostly built around getting specific, signature, oddball sounds from various devices that are no longer available. He does explain a small number of physical playing techniques too, but these are few and far between as I recall. It's also a gas to see him experiment live on camera. But, while it is a terrific peek at the "wizard" behind the curtain (so to speak, for anyone who has ever heard his music and wondered "how the heck did he do that?") it doesn't translate much beyond that in overall usefulness. On the other hand, while Mr. Torn in his videos also makes use of a number of similarly esoteric (and probably no longer available) devices, the explanations he gives of his techniques are generally more transferable to other devices and styles of music. His demonstrations seem to reveal at least as much of the "architecture" as it does of the "hardware" behind his approach. This is more useful in my opinion. And there's still the same "peek behind the curtain" aspect of it too -- and, as expected, the playing is fascinating to listen to/watch as well. As an aside: I bought the DTPWG video at one of my first NAMM shows (in the early '90s when I was working for Seymour Duncan). It was at the end of the day and not 5-10 minutes after making my purchase -- when I was rushing back across the hall to meet up with my coworkers to head out for the evening's activities -- and just who should I almost physically run into rounding a corner (whilst not looking and concentrating on other things) but Mr. Torn himself. Of course, like the doofus I am, I said: "Excuse me, uh, err.... Hi, aren't you David Torn? I reeeeeally like your stuff. Keep it up (or some other silliness). Have a great show!" Then I hurried off like the happy, harried idiot I was. He probably wondered "What the _____ was that all about?" Anywho, it didn't occur to me that I had his videos in a bag under my arm (and might have gotten them autographed). I was too embarrassed by the situation of almost having bumped into a fellow struggling along with a walking stick (not to mention that it turned out to be an artist who's work I happen to think rather a very great deal of). Ah . . . so it goes. Anyway, if you go to NAMM, watch out where you are going. You never know just who you may bump into. Best, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 21:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12194; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:09:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:09:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:02:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201120202.g0C220K16116@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They had a rackmounted sytnh...among other stuff... A+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 23:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19352; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:36:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201120202.g0C220K16116@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mea culpa but i still wanna see that rack mounted 16sec.delay if anyone has a page or url for it. thanx s > > > They had a rackmounted sytnh...among other stuff... > > A+ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 04:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10017; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:21:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:21:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.207.14.130] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: m_bronwyn@yahoo.com Subject: (Fwd) Experimental Composing for Dance? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:15:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 09:15:00.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C920E20:01C19B49] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, a friend of mine asked me to forward this to the list. Please send any responses to m_bronwyn@yahoo.com. Thanks, Matt ---------------------------------- My name is Bronwyn Neal, and I'm writing a story for In Dance, a publication put out by Dancers' Group in S.F. I'm interested in hearing from anyone out there who has composed music/sound for dance performances. - What tools do you use? (Instruments, hardware, and software.) - Do you use a lot of MIDI-enabled devices? Any favorite toys? - How has the increased affordability of high-quality audio equipment (often digital) over the past 10 years or so affected your musical path? - Can you talk about some of the experiences you've had composing for dancers? And can you frame your response in terms of how the tools you use play into that? For example, do you ever bring your toys into the dance studio to compose or "pre-compose," perhaps by improvising, in the presence of the dancers? Have you ever been asked to create a dance score in X time signature with Y number of bars? - How have new technologies made it easier or harder to work with choreographers? (Or, as they say, "just different.") - Do you have any thoughts on where dance-performance music/sound is headed? & how new technologies are tied into that? Thanks for your time! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 06:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16066; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:00:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:00:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: subminimal@subminimal.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:52:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jhno Subject: cycloops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just messing with a cycloops... nice to see something a little different! i do like that you can just plug it in and then sit on it or otherwise mash random buttons to produce something coherant. emmanuel, you may remember sending me a djrnd2 long ago; it is nice to see those ideas condensed into a succinct and accessible widget - kudos and thanks. as i am perhaps not in the target demographic, my primary interests are: hacking the analog devices chip, and making it break. (not physically! just pushing the algorithms. it has a lot of built-in logic, which can be interesting when it goes awry...) regarding the first, do you think there is any chance of official updates to the o.s.? the device has all the components necessary to do a wide array of looping tasks... plus the design is really quite nice. if it can pitch shift loops and adjust endpoints etc. - - - why not expose those parameters in some kind of "expert mode" or alternative o.s.? i think it could be attractive to a whole new demographic of users... just a thought. i like the box enough to write assembly code. :) (but i have other loopers to fry first...) >"Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie Anderson well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... jhno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 09:13:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24406; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:51:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:51:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:47:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? From: charmah tiego To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Akai, way before the Headrush, had a looping delay (1200ms max or so!). Had footswitch ins to set the loop on, halfrate, etc. Damnit,i don't have the reference or name. This one must be 8bit at most! Grungy, very limited BWidth. Sounds a bit like the Riff-O -Matic they put out later on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 10:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31337; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:20:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:20:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C405289.2DDEF6B6@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:13:14 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cycloops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jhno wrote : Hi jhno ! > just messing with a cycloops... nice to see something a little different! i > do like that you can just plug it in and then sit on it or otherwise mash > random buttons to produce something coherant. > > emmanuel, you may remember sending me a djrnd2 long ago; it is nice to see > those ideas condensed into a succinct and accessible widget - kudos and > thanks. Thanks DJRND2 has moved to DJRND3, maybe launched this year I hope by some else than Redsound. > as i am perhaps not in the target demographic, my primary interests are: > hacking the analog devices chip, and making it break. (not physically! just > pushing the algorithms. it has a lot of built-in logic, which can be > interesting when it goes awry...) > > regarding the first, do you think there is any chance of official updates > to the o.s.? the device has all the components necessary to do a wide array > of looping tasks... plus the design is really quite nice. if it can pitch > shift loops and adjust endpoints etc. - - - why not expose those parameters > in some kind of "expert mode" or alternative o.s.? i think it could be > attractive to a whole new demographic of users... Something which could be similar to the Electrix Repeater you mean ? I am just waiting the day my patent is delivered in Canada to deal with IVL Technology. No need for me to develop a musician looper like Repeater since it might become a license of mine one day sooner or later. With Redsound, Cycloops is the automatic BPM simplified version of DJRND2 for club DJs. DJRND3 will be for "bedrooming" DJs (homestudio). The o.s of cycloops will not change unless Redsound accept to debug the software integration and turn it into a fully automatic BPM which should have been the case if they had totally respected every term of our patent license. I did the design of the Redsound Cycloops sampler, once Redsound stated on the idea to make a 6-loop sampler. I have filed "Cycloops" in Europe, but Redsound didn't wait for any license to be signed, too much exited to launch the product first. Then I revised my financial conditions and they finally refused to sign ... 5 months after the launching date. Now they moved from "Cycloops" to "C-loops" pretended they did the change of the trademark not to infrindge, but everybody claims "Formely known as Cycloops"... > just a thought. i like the box enough to write assembly code. :) > (but i have other loopers to fry first...) One problem is the BPM part is Redsound secret know-how on which they remain very jalous. > >"Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie Anderson > > well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... But trades and profits lead the world on which we are all looping around : Sooner or later, nothing can be done without money. > jhno Cheers jhno, Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 13:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09700; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:48:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:48:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <57.4d06441.2971cf16@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:40:38 EST Subject: Re:Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has anyone compared the Vortex sounds on the G2 to the original unit? Any > thoughts on how it sounds. Can you morph on the g2 as well? > > Thanks > Lou not touched the G2 but Bet the sounds are v.similar, (though maybe not as tweakable) don't know if you can Morph at all, but almost certain you can't morph between 2 different algorithms like you can on the Vortex Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 14:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17047; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:10:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:10:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.156.221.135] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:02:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 19:02:16.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[A694A480:01C19B9B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 >Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:40:38 EST > > > Has anyone compared the Vortex sounds on the G2 to the original unit? >Any > > thoughts on how it sounds. Can you morph on the g2 as well? > > > > Thanks > > Lou > >not touched the G2 but >Bet the sounds are v.similar, (though maybe not as tweakable) >don't know if you can Morph at all, >but almost certain you can't morph between 2 different algorithms like >you can on the Vortex > > > >Andy Butler >Lexicon Vortex >Database > > Thanks Andy, There is a A/B switch on the mxp foot petal but I agree w/ you that you probaly can't between the 2 different algorithm....Great job on your site! It is very cool. Cheers LOU _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 14:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17201; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:13:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:13:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.156.221.135] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: spam: Last call for flanging Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:05:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 19:05:39.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FD4AE80:01C19B9C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I have to sell w/ regret my MXR Flanger/Doubler. It's the blue face unit & I'm selling it for $275. That includes shipping. Please contact me directly at tarbit@hotmail.com cheers Lou _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 14:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20886; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:29:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:29:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <33.20af97da.2971e6b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:21:24 EST Subject: Check out IBVA Alps+ Orchestral Module To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Click here: IBVA Alps+ Orchestral Module found by chance brainwave to music converter (software) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 15:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23142; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:56:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:56:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:49:26 -0800 Subject: Re: cycloops From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4M-pgC.A.qgF.BNJQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/12/02 2:52 AM, jhno at ear@subminimal.com wrote: > >> "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie Anderson > > well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... > > jhno > Hey, off topic, did others on the list buy the last Laurie album. That quote came from it. I was very disappointed in it, for the most part. A few good tracks, but... not sure. I felt the same way about Strange Angels (though others here disagreed) but I loved Bright Red/Tightrope. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 19:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10986; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:13:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:13:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <46.20c90788.29722918@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:04:40 EST Subject: MIDI... ...HELP!!! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46.20c90788.29722918_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_46.20c90788.29722918_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got a KORG ES-1 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum machine)... I have been using a pair of EDP units for about a month... Today I tried syncing them all together... It goes: EDP to drum machine to other EDP Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI chain? I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it become the master "On the fly" so to speak... Is this possible? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_46.20c90788.29722918_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got a KORG ES-1 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum machine)...

I have been using a pair of EDP units for about a month...

Today I tried syncing them all together...

It goes: EDP to drum machine to other EDP

Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI chain?

I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it become the master "On the fly" so to speak...

Is this possible?

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards... --part1_46.20c90788.29722918_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 19:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11443; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:23:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "David Jeter" To: Subject: RE: Jamman, & RDS 7.6 for sale. Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:17:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <185.1f82735.2970dd34@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I may have an interest for the JamMan w /pedal. What $ do you need to let it go? David Jeter -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 6:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT?: Jamman, & RDS 7.6 for sale. Hello. Forgive me if this too of topic, but I just wanted to mention that I am selling a Lexicon Jamman (full memory & one pedal), and a Digitech RDS 7.6. I thought that someone on the Looper'sDelight maillist might be interested in these. In addition, I also have a Boss SE-70 for sale. Please email me privately if your are interested in any of these items. Thanks, Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 22:15:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22880; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:51:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:51:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <189.1b8ffc2.29724e6a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:43:54 EST Subject: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 Resent-Message-ID: <62s3x.A.IVF.7RPQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Been getting into my (still somewhat new to me) Repeater a lot lately... there's one situation that I'm wondering if any piece of gear addresses better. Say you've got a loop going.. let's call it 6 seconds long. Say you want to add a part that's 8 seconds long. No way to do it. Does any piece of gear allow this? I guess my thinking is that the 6 second part would just now have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. If nothing has it.. does anyone have any tricks for this scenario? Thanks! --Tom Griesgraber From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06404; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <43.4da7015.2972784e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:42:38 EST Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_43.4da7015.2972784e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_43.4da7015.2972784e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know with using two EDP's that I have been able to do so with the "multiply" function... However there is no blank space, I can multiply with each unit synced to the other tempo wise and vary the number of multiplied measures between the two... It can create a very interesting scape... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_43.4da7015.2972784e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know with using two EDP's that I have been able to do so with the "multiply" function...

However there is no blank space, I can multiply with each unit synced to the other tempo wise and vary the number of multiplied measures between the two...

It can create a very interesting scape...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards... --part1_43.4da7015.2972784e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:15:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06405; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.7a05168.29727892@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:43:46 EST Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13e.7a05168.29727892_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <_mdOHB.A.2cB.36RQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13e.7a05168.29727892_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NEVER MIND... I misread that... I now everyone knows I'm an idiot! DOH! Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_13e.7a05168.29727892_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NEVER MIND... I misread that... I now everyone knows I'm an idiot!

DOH!

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards... --part1_13e.7a05168.29727892_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:43:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09204; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:20:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:20:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Is there such a function as..... Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:13:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <13e.7a05168.29727892@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg Campbell wrote: NEVER MIND... I misread that... I now everyone knows I'm an idiot! DOH! Yeah well you may be an idiot but you've got TWO ECHOPLEX DIGITAL PROS so your mistakes will make you a wiser person. Gary PS Kim hates HTML--try plain text G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09635; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:28:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:28:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c19bfb$bc959220$8155e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: The Ambient Ping presents ARC Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:30:04 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com New photos from all Ping shows in October and November are now up on the website's main page and long schedule. (Most Ping artists are loopers and many are Electrix users, though none as much as SOFTWARE last week who had at least 6 Electrix units onstage plus a JamMan.) http://www.theambientping.com/index.html#271101 http://www.theambientping.com/thelongschedule.html#271101 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday January 15th - Aidan Baker and ARC Experimental/improv trio ARC (percusssionists Rich Baker and Chris Kukiel with guitarist Aidan Baker) return to The Ping for a stripped down set with more chimes, cymbals, bells, etc... than drums. Experimental/ambient guitarist Aidan Baker opens the night with a solo set of heavily effected guitar textures & loops. ARC - http://fade.to/arc Aidan Baker - http://listen.to/aidan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . sound:escape - Four fresh hours of ambient and chillout music uploaded live each week from Toronto DJs Robbie & Stargazer. To play - Click http://1groove.com/listen/soundescape.asx . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 05:26:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30884; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:11:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:11:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c19c19$f9738ee0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <189.1b8ffc2.29724e6a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:06:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Echoplex all the way- the Repeater can multiply a loop by 2 or more- but the EDP can Multiply ANY length and also has Insert function which again can be of any length- or you could quantize to an external clock or or not and make exact multiples of the loop- oh hey there is the "more loops" function too- so you could also..... well- you get the idea I hope. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Is there such a function as..... > Hi all, > > Been getting into my (still somewhat new to me) Repeater a lot lately... > there's one situation that I'm wondering if any piece of gear addresses > better. > > Say you've got a loop going.. let's call it 6 seconds long. Say you want to > add a part that's 8 seconds long. No way to do it. Does any piece of gear > allow this? I guess my thinking is that the 6 second part would just now > have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. > > If nothing has it.. does anyone have any tricks for this scenario? > > Thanks! > --Tom Griesgraber > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 06:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00962; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:53:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:53:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c19c1f$d5b654a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <46.20c90788.29722918@aol.com> Subject: Re: MIDI... ...HELP!!! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:48:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C19BDC.C7579240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <9VkXIC.A.zH.KVWQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C19BDC.C7579240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There can only be 1 master at a time- the EDP can be set on the fly to = be master/slave/off - but the ES-1 has to be stopped in order to set it = to internal/external clock. There would also be the issue of the midi = cables themselves- I suppose you could get that solved with a MOTU Midi = Timepiece with some custom patches set up- but you still have the ES-1 = issue and I'm sure in the midst of these changes you would more than = likely lose sync anyway- but this is all in my head- the best thing to = do is experiment and see what you can come up with-=20 Enjoy the ES-1 and the EDPs-=20 Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KkstrtChby@aol.com=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: MIDI... ...HELP!!! I just got a KORG ES-1 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum = machine)... I have been using a pair of EDP units for about a month... Today I tried syncing them all together... It goes: EDP to drum machine to other EDP Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI chain? I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it become the = master "On the fly" so to speak... Is this possible? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards...=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C19BDC.C7579240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There can only be 1 master at a time- = the EDP can=20 be set on the fly to be master/slave/off - but the ES-1 has to be = stopped in=20 order to set it to internal/external clock. There would also be the = issue of the=20 midi cables themselves- I suppose you could get that solved with a MOTU = Midi=20 Timepiece with some custom patches set up- but you still have the ES-1 = issue and=20 I'm sure in the midst of these changes you would more than likely lose = sync=20 anyway- but this is all in my head- the best thing to do is experiment = and see=20 what you can come up with-
 
Enjoy the ES-1 and the EDPs- =
 
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KkstrtChby@aol.com
To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 12, = 2002 4:04=20 PM
Subject: MIDI... = ...HELP!!!

I just got = a KORG ES-1=20 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum machine)...

I have = been=20 using a pair of EDP units for about a month...

Today I tried = syncing=20 them all together...

It goes: EDP to drum machine to other=20 EDP

Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI=20 chain?

I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it = become the=20 master "On the fly" so to speak...

Is this=20 possible?

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, = NO=20 forwards... ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C19BDC.C7579240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 11:34:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25940; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:17:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:17:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c19c4c$11a5a340$07be30d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: eventide dsp4000 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:05:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C4C.0FC06880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C4C.0FC06880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable greetings fellow loopers ! i have just picked up a DSP4000 for my guitar rig .... and i dont have = the manual. It 'lives' in my switchblade gl, and i am having problems with = overloading the inputs on some patches, i have [naturally] knocked down = the input gain on the eventide, but i was wondering why the inpurt only = overloads on some patches .... can anyone help ?? David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C4C.0FC06880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
greetings fellow loopers=20 !
 
i have just picked up a = DSP4000 for my=20 guitar rig .... and i dont have the manual.
It 'lives' in my = switchblade gl, and i=20 am having problems with overloading the inputs on some patches, i have=20 [naturally] knocked down the input gain on the eventide, but i was = wondering why=20 the inpurt only overloads on some patches ....
 
can anyone help = ??
 
 
David
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C4C.0FC06880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 11:37:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26298; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:21:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:21:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:13:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57.4d06441.2971cf16@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I understand it, with the a/b switch, you can 'morph' between parameter settings within one algorithm, providing two very different sounds, if memory serves, you can change 4 parameters at once... I'm selling my g2, by the way, with it's accompanying footpedal... Soon... Todd On 1/12/02 12:40 PM, "SoundFNR@aol.com" wrote: >> Has anyone compared the Vortex sounds on the G2 to the original unit? Any >> thoughts on how it sounds. Can you morph on the g2 as well? >> >> Thanks >> Lou > > not touched the G2 but > Bet the sounds are v.similar, (though maybe not as tweakable) > don't know if you can Morph at all, > but almost certain you can't morph between 2 different algorithms like > you can on the Vortex > > > > Andy Butler > Lexicon Vortex Database > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 14:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06004; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:59:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:59:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:54:32 -0800 Subject: OT: FS -- Studio cleanout From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm cleaning out my studio and getting rid of the less used items. Korg Kaoss Pad -- $170 -- barely used, box, power supply, sticker for control surface (still unapplied), "manual". It's cool but the set of sounds it made just didn't click with what I was doing. Lexicon PCM-70 -- $950? (if someone has better evidence for a price let me know, the only comps I could find on e-Bay were actually higher) -- home studio use only, Ver 3.00 software, manual, probably the original box. I've also got editing software for it, but you'd need a Mac with a floppy drive. Roland GP-100 & FC-200 -- $500 -- I bought these used and they do have some minor cosmetic issues (e.g., a slight dent in the top of the GP-100). While I've owned them, they've lived in a rack and have done very little travelling outside of my home. Manuals for both. Power adapter for the FC-200. I will split up the GP-100 and the FC-200, but I will probably want slightly more for either of them since they are more useful as a pair. Buyer pays shipping from Scotts Valley, CA. Please respond offlist. Thanks. Mark P.S. This may be followed up soon with my Roland VS880 and my Chapman Stick. I'm still working on convincing myself to sell those. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 14:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07598; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:07:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:07:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <116.a91ac5b.297332c4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:58:12 EST Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DialaThos@aol.com writes: >Been getting into my (still somewhat new to me) Repeater a lot lately... >there's one situation that I'm wondering if any piece of gear addresses >better. >Say you've got a loop going.. let's call it 6 seconds long. Say you want >to >add a part that's 8 seconds long. No way to do it. Does any piece of >gear >allow this? I guess my thinking is that the 6 second part would just now >have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, then erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta p.i.t.a., really, and a bit touchy. very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the 'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o playing anything into the unit. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 14:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08226; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:16:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:16:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:09:21 -0800 Subject: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, does anyone know where the Santa Cruz loopfest is being held tonight? Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 15:25:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12611; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:04:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:04:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:00:55 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: FS -- Studio cleanout From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apologies for not doing this all in one message... on 1/13/02 10:54 AM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > I will split up the GP-100 and the FC-200, but I will probably want slightly > more for either of them since they are more useful as a pair. Specifically, I'm thinking in terms of $320 for the GP-100 alone or $220 for the FC-200 alone on the basis that without the other one, it probably cuts into what I can get for the remaining item. For those unfamiliar with it, the GP-100 is a pretty serious multi-effects box with COSM amp modelling and lots of MIDI control possibilities. It's just a bit bigger and heavier than I want in my rack. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 15:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13174; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:10:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113145609.00a84a00@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:58:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 AM 1/13/02 -0800, you wrote: >does anyone know where the Santa Cruz loopfest is being held tonight? Here's what Rick posted: Santa Cruz Looping Festival this coming Sunday, January 13th at the Cayuga Vault (corner of Cayuga Street and Soquel Avenue) in SantaCruz.The show starts at 8 p.m and there is a $10 donation requested (and no onewill beturned away for lack of funds!) I wish I could make it, but I seem to be on the wrong coast! -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 15:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14342; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:24:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:19:05 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002d01c19c6f$8cc4dfa0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's at the Cayuga Vault on Soquel... very near the Rio, but on the other side of the street at the corner of Soquel and Cayuga... See ya there Mark! -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Marklar To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. > Hey, > > does anyone know where the Santa Cruz loopfest is being held tonight? > Thanks, > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 17:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25667; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:59:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:59:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: RE: Is there such a function as..... Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:48:21 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c19c7c$04f18760$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <116.a91ac5b.297332c4@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <21pepC.A.f4F.3FgQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello! Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot for the info. Regards, c.white www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 17:55:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28632; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C419AC7.FD930F64@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:33:42 +0000 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... References: <002101c19c7c$04f18760$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might look into using one of the stands made for the purpose of holding up small combo type amps. best, joe christopher white wrote: > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an > angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot > for the info. > Regards, > c.white > > www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 17:59:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28988; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:43:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: Case Stands Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:31:57 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c19c82$1c5b6dc0$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002101c19c7c$04f18760$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello! Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot for the info. Regards, c.white www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 18:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29963; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:54:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:54:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:46:57 -0800 Subject: Re: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c19c6f$8cc4dfa0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/13/02 12:19 PM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@pacbell.net wrote: > It's at the Cayuga Vault on Soquel... very near the Rio, but on the other > side of the street at the corner of Soquel and Cayuga... See ya there Mark! > > -Miko > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marklar > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:09 AM > Subject: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. > > >> Hey, >> >> does anyone know where the Santa Cruz loopfest is being held tonight? >> Thanks, >> >> Mark >> > Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 18:29:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00337; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:14:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:14:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:06:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c19c7c$04f18760$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey chris... http://www.quiklok.com Click on the link that says 'rack stands', also check out combo-amp stands... Best, Todd On 1/13/02 4:48 PM, "christopher white" wrote: > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an > angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot > for the info. > Regards, > c.white > > www.magicicada.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 18:43:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01318; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Case Stands Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:21:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c19c88$fc07a7d0$172f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002201c19c82$1c5b6dc0$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can split it up into 2 6-space racks, and use a normal amp stand for each one. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space > rack at an angle so I can access it easier during a live > performance? Thanks A lot for the info. Regards, c.white > > www.magicicada.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 20:29:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10109; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:08:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:08:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c19c97$6de678a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT: New MD Recorder Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:04:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C54.5D57B6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C54.5D57B6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello-=20 Anyone tried this new Sony MZ-N1? It has a new ATRAC but supposedly it = doesen't sound much different- also- the Rec level adjustment has to be = accessed through the menu- lame. My Sharp MD-MS702 finally stopped recording and I need to replace it = asap-=20 Cliff Quote from- http://www.minidisc.org/brian_youn/mzn1/ a.. ATRAC DSP Type-R - Sony's Type-R ATRAC gives twice the signal = processing power as previous versions of ATRAC, and specifically = improves encoding performance in the higher frequencies. But unless = you've got truly golden ears, don't expect to hear much of a difference = from ATRAC 4.0 [FYI, only realtime SP recordings use the Type-R codec, = and not MDLP recordings or SP recordings done via OpenMG Jukebox = transfers]. www.om-studios.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C54.5D57B6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C54.5D57B6E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 20:44:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11457; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:29:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:29:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:22:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: cycloops (and digressions) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 1/12/02 2:52 AM, jhno at ear@subminimal.com wrote: > >> >>> "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie >>>Anderson >> >> well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... >> >> jhno >> >Hey, off topic, did others on the list buy the last Laurie album. That >quote came from it. I was very disappointed in it, for the most part. A >few good tracks, but... not sure. I felt the same way about Strange Angels >(though others here disagreed) but I loved Bright Red/Tightrope. > >Mark Sottilaro I have the lastest L.A. album, and have listened to it, but I don't remember any of it. So I must not have DISliked it, but it doesn't say anything FOR it, either. My faves are still the early ones, from Big Science thru US I-IV. What I liked about Strange Angels was that it seemed to be her journey into "normal" songwriting and singing -- I could imagine covering "Hiawatha" with just vocals over acoustic guitar. (And hi, jhno! I'm eagerly awaiting that Radial software release!) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 22:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21711; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:10:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:10:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113184812.05037de8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:58:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: MIDI... ...HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <46.20c90788.29722918@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:04 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >I just got a KORG ES-1 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum machine)... > >I have been using a pair of EDP units for about a month... > >Today I tried syncing them all together... > >It goes: EDP to drum machine to other EDP > >Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI chain? > >I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it become the master "On the fly" so to speak... > >Is this possible? If you just consider the EDP's, then yes this is absolutely possible by using the BrotherSync function. That is exactly what it is for, since it let's any "brother" set the sync for the others instead of there being one master. It has been discussed in the past on the list, follow this link to search the archives about it: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=brothersync&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=500&maxlines=10&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=filelist When you include other midi devices like your electribe in the scenario it becomes more complicated since they don't have such a feature, and midi is a one-way sort of protocol. You could probably experiment with different midi configs along with BrotherSync and maybe find something that works for you. Probably though you need some extra device that lets you do midi switching and merging. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24370; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:45:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: RE: Case Stands Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:35:26 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c19cac$819d1d30$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000d01c19c88$fc07a7d0$172f04d1@home> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would you mind telling me of a good manufacturer of one? My rack is really heavy as it contains some major oddball stuff. Thanks c -----Original Message----- From: future perfect [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 6:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Case Stands You can split it up into 2 6-space racks, and use a normal amp stand for each one. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space > rack at an angle so I can access it easier during a live > performance? Thanks A lot for the info. Regards, c.white > > www.magicicada.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:09:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25193; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:54:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <180.20d591a.2973aeab@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:46:51 EST Subject: Re: cycloops (and digressions) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/13/2002 8:22:13 PM, just-john@just-john.com writes: >(And hi, jhno! I'm eagerly awaiting that Radial software release!) same, here..... both in greeting, and in await-mode. and: thanks for the great pluggo-plugs: so useful, to me! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25373; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:55:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:48:29 -0800 Subject: Re: cycloops (and digressions)L.A. From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have always dug LA but her latest forays have left me wanting somethin w/ more beef or somethin... i dont know if its because she took singin lessons (i thought her whole point was against formal training etc.) or maybe its her marriage to . oh well artists always grow in uneven ways-some of it better than others imho s o superman >> on 1/12/02 2:52 AM, jhno at ear@subminimal.com wrote: >> >>> >>>> "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie >>>> Anderson >>> >>> well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... >>> >>> jhno >>> >> Hey, off topic, did others on the list buy the last Laurie album. That >> quote came from it. I was very disappointed in it, for the most part. A >> few good tracks, but... not sure. I felt the same way about Strange Angels >> (though others here disagreed) but I loved Bright Red/Tightrope. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > I have the lastest L.A. album, and have listened to it, but I don't > remember any of it. So I must not have DISliked it, but it doesn't say > anything FOR it, either. My faves are still the early ones, from Big > Science thru US I-IV. What I liked about Strange Angels was that it seemed > to be her journey into "normal" songwriting and singing -- I could imagine > covering "Hiawatha" with just vocals over acoustic guitar. > > > (And hi, jhno! I'm eagerly awaiting that Radial software release!) > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00653; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:13:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:13:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:02:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: NAMM meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It didn't seem like a firm Looper's Delight meeting time was ever sorted out for NAMM. I think it would be fun to see others there, so let's try to do that. It sounded like there were some people only going Friday, and some only going Saturday. Probably more saturday, so let's make that the main meeting day. Make the time 1:00, since noon is too crazy. The "minimalist" Electro-Harmonix booth will be convenient and easy to spot others in, so let's meet there. Got that? Saturday, 1:00, Electro-Harmonix. If you are only there Friday, I'll stop by Electro-Harmonix at 1:00 that day too and we can have a mini-meeting. Anybody else around that day stop by. I'm planning to be at the show Friday and Saturday, maybe a little bit Sunday. Say hello if you see me wandering about. I should be pretty easy to spot, as there probably won't be more than 10-20 people there with a half-mohawk extending halfway down their back and dyed bright blue. I'll also be at Disneyland on Thursday, you might catch me in the Pirates of the Caribbean. yo-ho-ho-ho a pirates life for me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:43:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01526; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:28:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:28:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:23:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: NAMM meeting Resent-Message-ID: <5Z0YSD.A.lS.8rmQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'll also be at Disneyland on Thursday, you might catch me in the Pirates >of the Caribbean. yo-ho-ho-ho a pirates life for me. > Now, THERE's a potential goldmine of samples to loop! Tr1:yo-ho-ho! yo-ho-ho! yo-ho-ho! yo-ho-ho! yo-ho-ho! Tr2: Arrrrrrrhhh! Arrrrrrrhhh! Arrrrrrrhhh! Arrrrrrrhhh! Tr2: yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! Break it down! (Bottle o rum! Bottle o rum!) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02180; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C426CFD.DA6E629E@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:30:38 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM meeting References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > I should be pretty easy to > spot, as there probably won't be more than 10-20 people there with a > half-mohawk extending halfway down their back and dyed bright blue. I hope somebody's bringing a camera... --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 02:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07586; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:55:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:55:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C42814E.7050C908@ripco.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:57:21 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight CC: GrantStrombeck Subject: "5 by 5" Saturday, Jan. 19 in Chicago References: <5.0.1.4.0.20020110104021.00abd040@pop.artic.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This event will feature invented instruments in an experimental improvised music context. There'll be a couple Echoplexs in use, perhaps some software looping, mixed with other forms of electronic and electroacoustic processing, and so this Saturday evening may be the closest thing to a "Midwest Loop Fest" at this time, at least for the start of 2002... "5 by 5" An evening of electroacoustic music performed on new and unusual instruments... Grant Strombeck (electronic pick-up sticks on drums and cymbals) Eric Leonardson (Springboard, electronics) Greg O'Drobinak (Number 4 instrument) Nick Sondy (bass, electronics) Bob Falesch (laptop) 9:30 p.m. Saturday January 19th, at The Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave., Chicago (773) 728-5010). The evening begins with five consecutive 15-minute solos, concluding with one piece by the entire group. Oh, and the tickets are real real cheap... About the artists... Born (1938) in Chicago, Illinois, Grant Strombeck has a wide background in jazz and performs regularly on drum-set, homemade invented instruments, marimba and electronics. He has constructed homemade instruments and has modified instruments to suit a timbre-favored penchant for unfixed musical themes. He was an invited artist to Sound Symposium 2000 in St. Johns, Newfoundland and has performed locally in clubs, galleries and on national radio. Strombeck also performs works using mixed-means. In his "Suite for Sonic and Lumens" he combines computer generated rotary machines and lights with live sounds. Greg O'Drobinak is an instrument inventor, improvisor and electronics engineer. He has played in the FROG Gamelan Ensemble at the University of Chicago for the past fourteen years and has improvised with a variety of groups including the ESS Big Band, the Garage Orchestra and ensembles led by David Hunter and Tom Paynter. Over the past eleven years Greg has built and performed with a number of unique electro-acoustic instruments which include the Trapazaws, the Arc of the Oven and the Toaster Tower. He has also designed and constructed a number of custom sound processing devices for other artists and his own personal use. His current projects include the recording and processing of various natural and artificial soundscapes, the design of new electro-acoustic instruments, performance controllers and computer controlled signal processors. Nick Sondy is an improvisor, bass player and a composer of analog tape compositions. He plays regularly with the Sacred Baboons. He has performed and recorded with Jack Wright and Grant Strombeck. Nick's work was recently featured on a CD/zine compilation produced by Pittsburgh-based IBOL Records: http://www.geocities.com/IBOLrecords/ Bob Falesch has been an active performer and producer in Chicago's new music scene for many years. His work with computer and electronics can be heard on releases with Chris Heenan, Bob Marsh, Sue Wolf, Jack Wright, and Michael Zerang. Thank you and... Best regards, Eric -- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: Saturday January 19, 9:30 pm. "5 by 5" at The Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave., Chicago. Grant Strombeck (electronic pick-up sticks on drums & cymbals); Eric Leonardson (Springboard & electronics); Greg O'Drobinak (Number 4 instrument); Nick Sondy (bass & electronics); Bob Falesch (laptop). The Nervous Center phone: (773) 728-5010. Opening February 23, 2002: Plasticene's "And So I May Return" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave., Chicago. For more info call (312) 409-0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 03:11:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13150; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:56:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:56:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:49:39 -0800 Subject: Re: NAMM meeting 16sec. From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1-2NMC.A.aGD.k2oQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i never been to namm(dont know anybody that would let or want me go...) but since you will be at EH booth could somebody get some solid hearsay about <16sec.delay> being re-released. there is so much rumour and innuendo concerning this unit and i have lusted after this box since forever i'd really like to get the lowdown.thanx s > It sounded like there were some people only going Friday, and some only > going Saturday. Probably more saturday, so let's make that the main meeting > day. Make the time 1:00, since noon is too crazy. The "minimalist" > Electro-Harmonix booth will be convenient and easy to spot others in, so > let's meet there. Got that? Saturday, 1:00, Electro-Harmonix. > > If you are only there Friday, I'll stop by Electro-Harmonix at 1:00 that > day too and we can have a mini-meeting. Anybody else around that day stop by. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 04:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19761; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020114005949.050da8b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:06:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: NAMM meeting 16sec. In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I asked Mike Matthews about it either last year or the year before. They were working on it, although it sounded like a complicated revision of the original idea rather than simply recreating it. (a difficult thing since key components used were discontinued a long long time ago.) But if I remember the conversation right there were a lot of problems in getting it done, culminating in some sort of dispute with the designer and the project was dropped. It really really didn't sound like he had any plans to start it up again. I'm not expecting to find one in their lone display case this year. kim At 11:49 PM 1/13/2002, Stan Card wrote: >hey i never been to namm(dont know anybody that would let or want me >go...) but since you will be at EH booth could somebody get some solid >hearsay about <16sec.delay> being re-released. there is so much rumour and >innuendo concerning this unit and i have lusted after this box since >forever >i'd really like to get the lowdown.thanx >s ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 09:59:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12132; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:45:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:45:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:45:32 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d12$7ff4b400$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >DialaThos@aol.com writes: > snipples - >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, then >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta p.i.t.a., >really, and a bit touchy. >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o >playing anything into the unit. >best, >dt / splattercell > or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the insert button and slur it in. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 14:19:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04257; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:04:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:04:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:57:02 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_eventide_dsp4000?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.0.145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA02655 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello David congrats for your DSP4K!! The only way to get a manual for that is to contact Eventide directly; more info at : http://www.eventide.com/admin/manuals.htm As far as input overload, you should tell me what patches give you this problem. The more specific you can be, the better I can help you. The unit should work fine with input set at 0.0dB, unity level. Also some routing choices in your Switchblade can cause the problem. Eventide has a Customers Support and Forum, EVENTIDEHELPS, w/real time online conference support via Yahoo Messenger. I'll be glad to help you there if you subscribe. We are at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ Post message: eventidehelps@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: eventidehelps-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: eventidehelps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: eventidehelps-owner@yahoogroups.com best regards Italo De Angelis >greetings fellow loopers ! >i have just picked up a DSP4000 for my guitar rig .... and i dont have >the manual. >It 'lives' in my switchblade gl, and i am having problems with >overloading the inputs on some patches, i have [naturally] knocked >down the input gain on the eventide, but i was wondering why the >inpurt only overloads on some patches .... >can anyone help ?? >David >one less than none >http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 16:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12433; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:52:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:52:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c19d3c$546e5500$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <01c19d12$7ff4b400$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:44:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does long press of Insert do? How do you employ it? I'll check the manual later- Thanks. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > -----Original Message----- > From: Hedewa7@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > >DialaThos@aol.com writes: > > > > snipples - > >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. > >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, > then > >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta p.i.t.a., > >really, and a bit touchy. > >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the > >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o > >playing anything into the unit. > >best, > >dt / splattercell > > > or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the > insert button and slur it in. > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 17:30:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22203; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:15:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:15:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:16:18 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d51$7883cd20$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff - Insert, normally does just that, an insert which is added to the loop, mid, beginning or end point of said loop - subject to press of switch. When having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. A long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going straight to the reverse mode of operation. Thus, enabling another Insert (additional stuff) into the loop. This way you don't have to do a parameter change. Yeah, it's cool! Thanks Matthias, Kim, et al! Not sure if it's in the manual, I can only attest from first foot usage. If it's not in the manual it's a tip and you should use it well. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >What does long press of Insert do? How do you employ it? I'll check the >manual later- Thanks. > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pedro Felix" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:45 AM >Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hedewa7@aol.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM >> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >> >DialaThos@aol.com writes: >> > >> >> snipples - >> >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. >> >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, >> then >> >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta >p.i.t.a., >> >really, and a bit touchy. >> >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the >> >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o >> >playing anything into the unit. >> >best, >> >dt / splattercell >> > >> or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the >> insert button and slur it in. >> best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25114; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:51:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:51:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c19d4d$0cf96c80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <01c19d51$7883cd20$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:44:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4AEMyB.A.d-F.k91Q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That IS awesome. I use Insert=Rev all the time- and although I'm getting pretty swift at changing params on the fly this is a great shortcut/tool- Thanks for letting me in on it- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > Cliff - > Insert, normally does just that, an insert which is added to the loop, mid, > beginning or end point of said loop - subject to press of switch. When > having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting > Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. A > long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going > straight to the reverse mode of operation. Thus, enabling another Insert > (additional stuff) into the loop. This way you don't have to do a parameter > change. Yeah, it's cool! Thanks Matthias, Kim, et al! > Not sure if it's in the manual, I can only attest from first foot usage. If > it's not in the manual it's a tip and you should use it well. > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford@BienAppraisers > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > > >What does long press of Insert do? How do you employ it? I'll check the > >manual later- Thanks. > > > >Cliff > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Pedro Felix" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:45 AM > >Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Hedewa7@aol.com > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM > >> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > >> >DialaThos@aol.com writes: > >> > > >> > >> snipples - > >> >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. > >> >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, > >> then > >> >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta > >p.i.t.a., > >> >really, and a bit touchy. > >> >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the > >> >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o > >> >playing anything into the unit. > >> >best, > >> >dt / splattercell > >> > > >> or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the > >> insert button and slur it in. > >> best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28627; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:22:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:22:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <16d.7264d27.2974c07b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:15:07 EST Subject: INSERT / ESREVER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16d.7264d27.2974c07b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16d.7264d27.2974c07b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 4:11:11 PM Central Standard Time, PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: > When > having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting > Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. > A > long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going > straight to the reverse mode of operation. Could you explain this in detail ... as if it were in the manual? I just want to be sure of what you are talking about, it sounds very cool and I want to try it... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_16d.7264d27.2974c07b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 4:11:11 PM Central Standard Time, PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes:


    When
    having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting
    Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. A
    long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going
    straight to the reverse mode of operation.


    Could you explain this in detail ... as if it were in the manual?

    I just want to be sure of what you are talking about, it sounds very cool and I want to try it...

    Thanks,
    Gregory Bruce Campbell
    www.mp3.com/freakwincing
    www.kickstartchubby.com
    Please, NO forwards...     --part1_16d.7264d27.2974c07b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29485; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:33:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.77] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ? bass audio trigger sampled/drum Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:25:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 23:25:31.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[C277E140:01C19D52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been sampling drum sounds with a quadra verb and triggering them with bass slaps. It seems to be working well, but I wonder if I could optimize it better, the triggering that is. Right now I have a Beringer compressor on insert of the bass channel. I am triggering on assigned 1/2 sub channels into the quadraV, returning into.....well the return on the mixer. duh, This sounds so intelligent. Anyway, I am compressing the bass just above the trigger point. I'm wondering if there might be a better way to do this. The 2/compressor has an insert in it for ducking. I've been using a DR-5 for a source of the drums. Any takers out there? Denis Aldrich _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:52:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29852; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:37:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:37:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <142.7d9b527.2974c41a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:30:34 EST Subject: ok to offer Boomerang? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it OK to offer my Boomerang for sale on this site?? 200.00 thamnks paul adams From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30319; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:44:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:44:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:45:19 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d5d$e8552ca0$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff - no prob. You should hear the music I create with it! do the same, only better than me, cause it'll be yours! Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >That IS awesome. I use Insert=Rev all the time- and although I'm getting >pretty swift at changing params on the fly this is a great shortcut/tool- >Thanks for letting me in on it- > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pedro Felix" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:16 PM >Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > >> Cliff - >> Insert, normally does just that, an insert which is added to the loop, >mid, >> beginning or end point of said loop - subject to press of switch. When >> having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting >> Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. >A >> long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going >> straight to the reverse mode of operation. Thus, enabling another Insert >> (additional stuff) into the loop. This way you don't have to do a >parameter >> change. Yeah, it's cool! Thanks Matthias, Kim, et al! >> Not sure if it's in the manual, I can only attest from first foot usage. >If >> it's not in the manual it's a tip and you should use it well. >> best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Clifford@BienAppraisers >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >> >> >> >What does long press of Insert do? How do you employ it? I'll check the >> >manual later- Thanks. >> > >> >Cliff >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Pedro Felix" >> >To: >> >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:45 AM >> >Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Hedewa7@aol.com >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >> >> >DialaThos@aol.com writes: >> >> > >> >> >> >> snipples - >> >> >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" >function. >> >> >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an >integer, >> >> then >> >> >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta >> >p.i.t.a., >> >> >really, and a bit touchy. >> >> >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the >> >> >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- >w/o >> >> >playing anything into the unit. >> >> >best, >> >> >dt / splattercell >> >> > >> >> or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the >> >> insert button and slur it in. >> >> best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >> >> >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 19:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02463; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:05:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201141905.AA32571696@mail.vrinter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Rich Kroll" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: ok to offer Boomerang? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What version is it? If it's 2.0 I'll take it.... sales@rkmusicstore.com Rich ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:30:34 EST >Is it OK to offer my Boomerang for sale on this site?? 200.00 > >thamnks > >paul adams > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 19:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02436; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:34 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d62$8d1676a0$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snippit >> - see end of message for pertinent information! -----Original Message----- From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: INSERT / ESREVER >In a message dated 1/14/2002 4:11:11 PM Central Standard Time, >PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: > >> When >> having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting >> Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. >> A >> long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going >> straight to the reverse mode of operation. > >Could you explain this in detail ... as if it were in the manual? Greg - sorry, i'm not sure if it's in the manual. It's just something I do. I explainied it the way I use it. Then again, I use it a few other ways also. > >I just want to be sure of what you are talking about, it sounds >very cool yep, it is! hope my earlier description is close enough. and >I want to try it... I agree. You should try out gear before you buy them. Or at least get as many different opinions and insights. Hopefully you live in an area of the world where you can get your paws on some of this gear and make the most informed decision. >Thanks, >Gregory Bruce Campbell wish I could be of more help. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >www.mp3.com/freakwincing >www.kickstartchubby.com >Please, NO forwards... > PS - no HTML. kinda house rules. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:02:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10008; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:48:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:48:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:35:24 EST Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.20b848f6.2974e15c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <5rPQ_B.A.sNC.nd4Q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c8.20b848f6.2974e15c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh no, you misunderstood me... I have two EDP's now... I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I can toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining something completely different... I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make the EDP's function in this way? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_c8.20b848f6.2974e15c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh no, you misunderstood me...

    I have two EDP's now...

    I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I can toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining something completely different...

    I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make the EDP's function in this way?

    Thanks,
    Gregory Bruce Campbell
    www.mp3.com/freakwincing
    www.kickstartchubby.com
    Please, NO forwards...     --part1_c8.20b848f6.2974e15c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:26:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12590; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:11:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:07:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: NAMM Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK Pilgrims, Rick and I will arrive at John Wayne Airport at 11:45am Saturday, which probably will mean we can't make a 1:00 rendezvous at EH, we will go strait to the convention center, but with the drive from the airport and all, I doubt we can be there on time. I will be traveling under an assumed name "Chris Cousineau" (thanks to a local music store), as Renaissance/Rick Turner Guitars will not have a booth this year. I will be bringing my renaissance baritone guitar with me in case anyone is interested in checking our stuff out. I hope to see you all there. Bill Walker chillyb@cruzio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:31:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12845; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:16:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:16:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C432D44.6A46CE46@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:11:02 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Oh no, you misunderstood me... > > I have two EDP's now... > > I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I > can toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining > something completely different... > > I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make > the EDP's function in this way? maybe this helps: http://loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex_reverse.html http://loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf pages 47-54, 92 bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15334; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:58:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:58:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:59:03 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d78$f8c54a00$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -snips -- important correction included in plain text of message -----Original Message----- From: KkstrtChby@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER >Oh no, you misunderstood me... > >I have two EDP's now... mea culpa. I should have gone back to the original thread. Dude, crack the manual. Then step on all the pedals. > >I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I can >toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining something >completely different... click on parameters to the Keys setting, click the Insert button until it reads REV. Then hold the parameters button down. That parameter has now been changed. Now after recording a loop. hit the insert button. cool it's in reverse. Now do a long press of the Insert button. Now you get an additional amount of space added to the loop. CORRETION hey all, just checked this on a more simple setting and I was wrong. It does not add time to the loop. BUT, it clears and puts in whatever new info you would want to place in the loop. So a 3 second loop does not increase in time, nor is it stretched as I have described. It is do-able in other ways as described by dt. Seems to me and because I know how I play (lots of long loops), I was confused as when I am in rev, I like to slur in back ward pieces and add them over the original loop. It's cool for doing end to end looping in forward and reverse, but no reason to mix it all up again. Let's just say I like to mess with the EDP in funny ways. > >I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make the >EDP's function in this way? See above parameter settings. Then re-check the manual and come up with some crazy stuff! > >Thanks, >Gregory Bruce Campbell best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >www.mp3.com/freakwincing >www.kickstartchubby.com >Please, NO forwards... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16598; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: , Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:02:54 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d79$824d6b40$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <1hq6K.A.MsD.uo5Q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: Bobdog To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER >> Oh no, you misunderstood me... >> >> I have two EDP's now... >> >> I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I >> can toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining >> something completely different... >> >> I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make >> the EDP's function in this way? > >maybe this helps: > >http://loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex_reverse.html > >http://loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf >pages 47-54, 92 > >bobdog > > bobdude - To the rescue. Your cd's are smoking. The live disc is so smooth, I had to keep checking to make sure it was the right disc. Getting many more recording's done. am going to send you another as you sent me two. best, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19544; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:43:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:43:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4341B3.2A6D3AF5@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:38:14 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER References: <01c19d79$824d6b40$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > To the rescue. Your cd's are smoking. The live disc is so smooth, I had to > keep checking to make sure it was the right disc. > Getting many more recording's done. am going to send you another as you sent > me two. > best, Pedro thanks pedro - i'm continuing to dig your cd & look forward to hearing more. if you are into listening to something that lives somewhere between pseudo buddha and the more ethereal soundscape thing (ala steve roach/robert rich/tom heasley) you should look into the new dreamland cd "underwater". dreamland is keyboardist/extendend vocalist johnny rodriguez & ld list member guitar loopist james h sidlo. i'm not objective at all about this cd since i recorded most of it, mastered it, appear on one (long) tune & have put it out on my fledgling micro-label dogfingers recordings http://dogfingers.com/ but all of that notwithstanding, it really is a good listen. check it out... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 23:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23514; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:31:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:31:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C43AEE4.571F2F53@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:24:04 -0800 From: Randy Greene X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case Stands References: <002201c19c82$1c5b6dc0$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <54UVgC.A.goF.576Q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used various odds and ends from Ultimate Support Systems to build my own stand. Its like a mini A-frame stand with 26 inch wide tiers. Check out the "Thinker Toys" section of their web site http://www.ultimatesupport.com/mainframe.htm. You can build practically anything out of this stuff. christopher white wrote: > > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an > angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot > for the info. > Regards, > c.white > > www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 04:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11722; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:50:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:50:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115002940.04aa6e08@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:39:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER In-Reply-To: <01c19d78$f8c54a00$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:59 PM 1/14/2002, Pedro Felix wrote: >click on parameters to the Keys setting, click the Insert button until it >reads REV. Then hold the parameters button down. That parameter has now been >changed. Now after recording a loop. hit the insert button. cool it's in >reverse. Now do a long press of the Insert button. Now you get an additional >amount of space added to the loop. >CORRETION >hey all, just checked this on a more simple setting and I was wrong. It does >not add time to the loop. >BUT, it clears and puts in whatever new info you would want to place in the >loop. Long press on the insert button drops you into the Replace function. We didn't know what else to do with the long press on Insert, so this seemed like a good nugget to put there. Replace is also available as another insert mode if you just want that function and don't want to deal with the long presses. I love replace, personally, especially doing quick stabs on it to string together collages of discontinuous stuff in real-time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 05:49:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20844; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:34:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:34:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <14a.74336a8.29755e09@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:27:21 EST Subject: Re: NAMM (Thanks Renaissance Guitars) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/15/02 2:06:53 AM, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: << I will be bringing my renaissance baritone guitar with me in case anyone is interested in checking our stuff out. >> Just thought I'd take this opportunity to publicly thank Bill and Rick for the recent post to the list concerning the deal that Renaissance was running for Loopers Delight members. Just so happened that at the time I was in the market for/ checking out nylon strung acoustics and I was able to take advantage of the offering. I'm now the proud owner/ operator of a beautiful RN6-H. The workmanship, playability and sound of this guitar is unsurpassed compared to anything I had checked out previously. Great job. So, if your at NAMM, definitely look Rick and Bill up and check out the guitars. Thanks again Renaissance and good luck at NAMM. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 07:54:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30788; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:39:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:39:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <96.2067c2c6.29757b30@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:31:44 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #25 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 14/01/02 23:08:09 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > My rack is > really heavy as it contains some major oddball stuff. Hmmm , a list would be nice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 07:55:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30789; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:39:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:39:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <18.188bcfe0.29757b32@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:31:46 EST Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <1BGkI.A.2ZH.eFCR8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Cliff - > Insert, normally does just that, an insert which is added to the loop, mid, > beginning or end point of said loop - subject to press of switch. When > having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting > Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. A > long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going > straight to the reverse mode of operation. Are you sure thats not a Replace rather than an Insert? (Doesn't do this in the new Loop4 software, a long press puts you into reverse for as long as you press, then goes back to forward) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 13:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31174; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:17:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:17:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c19def$fa397a60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <18.188bcfe0.29757b32@aol.com> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:10:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where did you get Loop 4 software? I'm on Loop 3 v5.0 and a long press of Rev does in fact lead to Replace- I'm at work now but I am sure I was in Loop mode with Insert=Rev. I can't imagine that function would get removed- Mattias? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:31 AM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > > Cliff - > > Insert, normally does just that, an insert which is added to the loop, mid, > > beginning or end point of said loop - subject to press of switch. When > > having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting > > Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. > A > > long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going > > straight to the reverse mode of operation. > > Are you sure thats not a Replace rather than an Insert? > (Doesn't do this in the new Loop4 software, a long press puts you into > reverse for as long as you press, then goes back to forward) > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 14:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04760; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:27:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:27:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:28:12 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19e03$28b18e60$986a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips - -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:18 AM Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER >At 07:59 PM 1/14/2002, Pedro Felix wrote: >>click on parameters to the Keys setting, click the Insert button >>CORRETION >>BUT, it clears and puts in whatever new info you would want to place in the >>loop. > >Long press on the insert button drops you into the Replace function. We >didn't know what else to do with the long press on Insert, so this seemed >like a good nugget to put there. it rules there. mainly where my foot falls the most lately and when I fall asleep at the wheel, I end up adding whatever other nonsense i'm actually playing. A grand wake-up call for me Kim! >Replace is also available as another insert mode if you just want that >function and don't want to deal with the long presses. I love replace, >personally, especially doing quick stabs on it to string together collages >of discontinuous stuff in real-time. >kim ditto. also great going from forward to reverse and stringing together swells of non-melodies, then multiplied. and...Kim, the EDP is deep and the more casually I play it, the more I seem to understand it and have it played as even more of an instrument. Damn with LOOPIIIv5, can't even begin to think how the upgrade will be but feel free to whet our minds. Pedro > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 14:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05016; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:31:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:31:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:32:00 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19e03$af510ea0$986a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <4ECgi.A.JIB.JIIR8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips - -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... going >> straight to the reverse mode of operation. > >Are you sure thats not a Replace rather than an Insert? right you are, good sir. I read the manual thrice and well, just play the thing a lot more lately and them thar weird fun things like the Replace make me happy. >(Doesn't do this in the new Loop4 software, a long press puts you into >reverse for as long as you press, then goes back to forward) >andy butler > ack! any way to do a replace in a forward and backward loop while in overdub mode? Pedro Felix- NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 17:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20481; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:59:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:59:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115133733.04955008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:46:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... In-Reply-To: <01c19e03$af510ea0$986a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:32 PM 1/15/2002, Pedro Felix wrote: > >(Doesn't do this in the new Loop4 software, a long press puts you into > >reverse for as long as you press, then goes back to forward) > >andy butler > > >ack! any way to do a replace in a forward and backward loop while in overdub >mode? yes, there are new features coming that make this type of action much more flexible and intuitive. In fact there will be two different ways you could accomplish it which make much more sense than this way and apply to other features as well. Having Reverse switch to Replace when you do a long press is not very intuitive and inconsistent with other aspects of the interface. Having Reverse switch to SUS-mode Reverse is much more consistent with other functions. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 17:56:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24587; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:41:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:41:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01be01c19e14$d4572520$da61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201151944.OAA06082@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: NAMM appearance and Santa Cruz Looping Festival Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:34:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com couple of quick things: Due to plane schedulings, Bill and I will not be to NAMM by the 1 p.m. meeting proposed by Kim Flint. We have been planning to meet at the Line 6 booth at 2 p.m. on both Saturday and on Sunday. We'd love to meet anybody (including you, Meister Flint :-) from Loopers Delight there at those times. Also, the Santa Cruz Looping Festival was a resounding artistic and commercial success: standing room only and oversold by fire marshal standards (shhhhhhh..........don't anyone tell them ;-). ORBIS started off with an ambient, melodic set utilizing the oldest gear at the festival (a circa 1984-6 tc electronics digital delay with a few seconds of looping time). Bill Walker then put on an amazing display of the his artistry and guitar wizardry (and I don't think I'm being nepotistic about this one) as well as a demo of the power of the new Electrix Repeater. It was really impressive and I can't wait to finally start delving into my own recently purchased repeater and WX5 wind controller!! I played next and have no idea what the results were except to say that I am an just constantly blown away by how accepting and encouraging , the Santa Cruz audiences are for my own extremely wierd brand of 'entertainment'. I do know that a couple of pieces will probably make it on to the live Loop.pooL CD that I am working on for upcoming Spring release. Special kudos to engineer and Cayuga Vault coowner (and excellent solo loopers and saxaphonist) for making really good digital recordings of everyone's sets and presenting us each with a burned CD of the gig BEFORE we went home that night. Next up was Steve Lawson, who, I have to say , is one of my favorite looping artists and one funny guy on stage. He did a beautiful set that employed everything from a beautiful and harmonically challenging version of 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow' to more outside excursions with sonix. It was a very inspiring set. I got up and we did a short improvisational set and you can ask someone else whether that was successful or not. The crowd was incredible and they stayed to the end (that says a lot: four solo sets and a duo improv set). Linda Kimball and Pete COates of the Cayuga Vault where (and always are) fantastically supportive and hardworking. We're lucky to have such a great venue in our town. It was one of those evenings that makes me really good to be alive.....or as the native americans say "It was a good day to die". yours, in loopiness, Rick Walker (Loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 18:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27212; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:04:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:04:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:57:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-616005520 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115133733.04955008@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <46C52730-0A0B-11D6-8025-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-616005520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Kim, I know its been asked before, but I thought I'd try again... any time frame on this update? This year? Next year? Sometime this decade? > yes, there are new features coming that make this type of action much > more flexible and intuitive. __________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dmiller --Apple-Mail-1-616005520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Kim, I know its been asked before, but I thought I'd try again... any time frame on this update? This year? Next year? Sometime this decade? yes, there are new features coming that make this type of action much more flexible and intuitive. Helvetica__________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dmiller --Apple-Mail-1-616005520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 18:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28030; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:14:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:14:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c19e19$86af7020$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200201151944.OAA06082@hemlock.violacea.com> <01be01c19e14$d4572520$da61f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: NAMM appearance and Santa Cruz Looping Festival Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:08:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations! How can I get a copy? :) And how was the wind controller implemented? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: NAMM appearance and Santa Cruz Looping Festival > couple of quick things: > > Due to plane schedulings, Bill and I will not be to NAMM by the 1 p.m. > meeting proposed by Kim Flint. We have been planning to meet at the Line 6 > booth at 2 p.m. on both Saturday and on Sunday. We'd love to meet anybody > (including you, Meister Flint :-) from Loopers Delight there at those times. > > Also, the Santa Cruz Looping Festival was a resounding artistic and > commercial success: standing room only and oversold by fire marshal > standards (shhhhhhh..........don't anyone tell them ;-). > > ORBIS started off with an ambient, melodic set utilizing the oldest gear at > the festival > (a circa 1984-6 tc electronics digital delay with a few seconds of looping > time). > > Bill Walker then put on an amazing display of the his artistry and guitar > wizardry (and I don't think I'm being nepotistic about this one) as well as > a demo of the power of the new Electrix Repeater. It was really impressive > and I can't wait to finally start delving into my own recently purchased > repeater and WX5 wind controller!! > > I played next and have no idea what the results were except to say that I am > an just constantly blown away by how accepting and encouraging , the Santa > Cruz audiences are for > my own extremely wierd brand of 'entertainment'. I do know that a couple > of pieces will probably make it on to the live Loop.pooL CD that I am > working on for upcoming Spring release. Special kudos to engineer and > Cayuga Vault coowner (and excellent solo loopers and saxaphonist) for making > really good digital recordings of everyone's sets and presenting us each > with a burned CD of the gig BEFORE we went home that night. > > Next up was Steve Lawson, who, I have to say , is one of my favorite looping > artists and one funny guy on stage. He did a beautiful set that employed > everything from a beautiful and harmonically challenging version of > 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow' to more outside excursions with sonix. It was > a very inspiring set. I got up and we did a short improvisational set and > you can ask someone else whether that was successful or not. > > The crowd was incredible and they stayed to the end (that says a lot: four > solo sets and a duo improv set). Linda Kimball and Pete COates of the > Cayuga Vault where (and always are) > fantastically supportive and hardworking. We're lucky to have such a great > venue in our town. > > It was one of those evenings that makes me really good to be alive.....or as > the native americans say "It was a good day to die". > > yours, in loopiness, Rick Walker (Loop.pool) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 18:40:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28817; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:25:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:25:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Peace Love Productions" To: Subject: PLP Electronic Music Symposium Tonight 01/15/02! Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:11:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c19e2a$cd00eed0$2003b73f@peacelove> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <__GTEB.A.s6G.bjLR8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Loop Diggaz, Don't forget, PLP electronic music chat tonight Tuesday from 7pm-8pm ((central)) live chat with other electronic artist and producers. Who knows who will be there, hope to see YOU there! Just click the following link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PLPinfo/chat Come on down to discuss, promote, and inquire. You may need to install the voice plug-in but don't worry, it doesn't screw up your system and we won't be using it. ((central time)) from 7-8pm. For FREE loops and Dj mixes visit: http://www.peaceloveproductions.com makers of ACID LOOPS http://www.freeacidloops.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 19:54:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01569; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C44CA05.811043A6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:32:04 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Mackie 1402VLZ Pro Mixer References: <000d01c19e2a$cd00eed0$2003b73f@peacelove> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7W_tk.A.xS.WoMR8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, I've been hanging on to this baby for a while, though with my wife having one as well, we realize it's over kill. It's time for some spring cleaning. It's totally mint, only studio use. We're non smokers, so it's clean as can be. Box and manual included. Make me a reasonable offer and she's yours. If not, it's going up on eBay. For more info: http://www.mackie.com/Products/VLZ_PRO_Series/1402VLZPRO.asp thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 19:55:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01706; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:31:57 EST Subject: Re: NAMM appearance and Santa Cruz Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d.20923b24.297623fd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d.20923b24.297623fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 5:36:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > couple of quick things: congrats rick et al.....sounds like a wonderful time was had by all.....:)m --part1_d.20923b24.297623fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 5:36:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


    couple of quick things:


    congrats rick et al.....sounds like a wonderful time was had by all.....:)m     --part1_d.20923b24.297623fd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 20:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02783; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:58:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:58:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000d01c19e2a$cd00eed0$2003b73f@peacelove> <3C44CA05.811043A6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Mackie 1402VLZ Pro Mixer Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:51:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2002 00:51:01.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE5C5230:01C19E27] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've been hanging on to this baby for a while, though with my wife having > one as well, we realize it's over kill. It's time for some spring Congratulations Mark!! Have you decided one name? We missed you at the Santa Cruz fest, Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 21:02:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06621; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:46:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C44D9EE.A643AFAA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:39:57 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mackie 1402VLZ Pro Mixer References: <000d01c19e2a$cd00eed0$2003b73f@peacelove> <3C44CA05.811043A6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Believe me, I missed not going to the Santa Cruz fest. Valerie had/has been fighting a cold, and by the time we were on our way out, her Dayquil had petered out, and she was feeling bad, I didn't think it was a good idea to risk it, knowing we'd be back really late. but thanks for the congrats. It sure is nice having a two looper family! Mark Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > I've been hanging on to this baby for a while, though with my wife having > > one as well, we realize it's over kill. It's time for some spring > > Congratulations Mark!! Have you decided one name? > > We missed you at the Santa Cruz fest, > > Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 21:24:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09241; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c19e31$c2ea36c0$ea2c32d2@lisa> From: "Keith Lang" To: References: <000d01c19e2a$cd00eed0$2003b73f@peacelove> <3C44CA05.811043A6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: LIVE software by Ableton Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:01:43 +1100 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loopers Great list/ forum I just though to check, everyone knows about LIVE by Ableton, right? http://www.ableton.com it is built for live performance - the first software (aside from MAX, Kyma etc) that does this I should be getting it in a few weeks- it is perfect for those with a laptop- another approach to live looping with features like real-time time-stretching, FX, full MIDI automation and recording. is anyone out there using it? cheers -K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 22:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14629; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:20:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:20:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011601c19e3b$73e2ff80$5d065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #251 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:10:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #251 January 10, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. A master of drones, Mathias is a prolific creator of ambient music from his studio in Germany. The Featured CD at midnight turned out to be Namakar in the Arya label. The vinyl show starter was an LP by Conrad Schnitzler. Mathias Grassow http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Conrad Schnitzler Ballet Statique CON (EGG) Orbital Decay Windjam 1999 Orbital Decat (none) Sara Ayers But You Can't Interiors (Dark Wood) Dave Sneed Sequential Seas A Change in Time (none) Mike Griffin and Tectonic The Most Distant Point Known Dave Fulton (Hypnos) Klaus Schulze Windy Times Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse/Manikin) Cyber Zen Sound Engine In Almost Any League The Intercepter Transmissions and Matt Borghi (N-Light-N) Geodesium The Seventh Planet Fourth Universe (Loch Ness) Robert Carty Opening * Gateway (Deep Sky) 12:00 am Mathias Grassow Invocation Namakar (Arya) Mathias Grassow Dream Timeroom Namakar (Arya) Mathias Grassow Ankh Namakar (Arya) Mathias Grassow Mescal Namakar (Arya) Mathias Grassow Abahtima Namakar (Arya) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. The Featured CD at Midnight will be The Hollow on the Arya label. This CD is a collabroation with Jim Cole. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Space Art. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 23:12:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16993; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:57:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:57:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00df01c19e40$2e71f3c0$78fdd018@twmi.rr.com> From: "John M. Lindenmuth" To: References: <200201041608.LAA01113@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #10 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:44:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PLEASE DELETE ME FROM FUTURE MAILINGS THANKS ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 01:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25420; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:50:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PRESS RELEASE: The Dark Aether Project "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <5GXEIB.A.SIG.RNRR8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Dark Aether Project has been an ever-mutating musical entity since the nucleus of the idea for the group first revealed itself to Warr 8 String Touchstyle Guitarist Adam Levin during an early Spring 1997 weekend of work with the Seattle Guitar Circle - a group that traces its origins to the work of King Crimson mainstay Robert Fripp's Guitar Craft seminars. The initial lineup to perform in a public setting was a strictly instrumental trio which added occasional vocals by the time of their self-titled debut album's release in early 1998. The band quickly came to be recognized as one of the hardest gigging progressive rock bands on the East Coast in a short matter of time. In 1999, the band's second CD "Feed the Silence" was released to high critical praise and saw their reach expanding as tours brought them up and down the east coast. In mid-1999 writing began on what would eventually become the band's third CD. Early versions of music for the new CD were premiered as the band performed at the 5th Annual Progday International Progressive Rock Festival and subsequent shows throughout the end of the year. By 2000, the band was even further lengthening its reach by playing festivals in Columbus, Ohio and Hartford, Connecticut, the main stage at New York's prestigious downtown avant/experimental club "The Knitting Factory" and accepted an invitation from the members of the reunited classic 70's progressive rock group Happy the Man to open their first concert in over 20 years at The State Theatre in Falls Church, Virginia. By early 2001 a completely revamped 5 piece lineup of The Dark Aether Project emerged to perform at the release party for a compilation featuring the brightest stars from Baltimore's vibrant progressive rock scene entitled "What's New in Baltimore?" which was included in the February 2001 issue of Expose' Magazine. The new lineup of the band had re-recorded a totally new arrangement of the title track from "Feed the Silence" for the compilation. In October 2001 the band settled down into Levin's studio "The House of Dark Aether" in Severn, Maryland to record the tracks for the new album "The Gentle Art of Firewalking." Unlike the previous two albums where the recording sessions took place in little more than a weekend, the new album was recorded over a three month time frame with painstaking attention to detail and production. The album features 8 songs which show a new Dark Aether Project with a fuller, more diverse and extreme sound - from quiet melodic ambience to full tilt adrenaline pumping displays of technical instrumental prowess. Four vocal tracks are balanced by four instrumental tracks. The lyrical subject matter deals with the ups and downs of interpersonal relationships experienced by certain band members in their personal lives during the writing and recording of the CD. The music, while occasionally being reminiscent of classic artists like King Crimson's 73-74 and 80's eras, as well as others such as Pink Floyd and Mahavishnu Orchestra at times - it is not a throwback to the past. It is very much forward-looking and contemporary featuring elements that stray into the realm of post-rock, world music, ambient music, math rock, space/psychedelic rock and contemporary hard rock. It's hard to pin a label on the music appearing on "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" because it is such a unique and diverse blend of styles and influences. The Dark Aether Project's lineup, in addition to Levin features drummer/keyboardist Allen Brunelle who joined the group shortly after the release of "Feed the Silence" and was previously a member of fellow Baltimore progressive rock group "Iluvatar" and also has his own electronic music project "Tempustry; vocalist Jennifer Huff who joined in the summer of 2000 and cut her teeth performing and recording with the group "The Treblemakers"; guitarist John McCloskey who joined in the Fall of 2000 and is also known for his work with the band "On the Rocks"; and finally keyboardist Marty Saletta who joined in early 2001 and was a member of Baltimore progressive rock groups "Chaos Code" and "The Web". Sound samples from all album tracks are available for previewing on The Dark Aether Project's web site at http://www.darkaether.net/ The band is pleased to announce a full line of new merchandise to accompany the release of the new CD. T-shirts, sweatshirts, ball caps, coffe mugs and mouse pads are available for online ordering through the vendor CafePress.com via the following link: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=darkaether "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" will be available soon from many fine music vendors including online megastore Amazon.com. The band will be supporting the release of the new CD with a special CD release concert at Orion Sound Studios located at 2903 Whittington Avenue in Baltimore, Maryland on Saturday January 26th, 2002 at 8pm with special guest Matthew Parmenter of the Michigan progressive rock outfit Discipline. Tickets are $10 and are available through Ticketweb online at http://www.ticketweb.com/ for this all ages event. For more information visit http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ or call Orion Sound Studios at (410)646-7334 after 2pm. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Artist: The Dark Aether Project Title: The Gentle Art of Firewalking Release Date: January 26th, 2002 UPC Code: 791022199628 Track Listing: 1) Crossing the Threshold (Music: McCloskey) 2) Night Embrace (Music: Levin/Brunelle - Vocal Melody/Lyrics: Huff) 3) The Gentle Art of Firewalking (Music: Levin/Brunelle) 4) Mask (Music: Levin - Lyrics: Huff - Vocal Melody: Huff/Levin) 5) 3rd Degree (Music: Brunelle/Levin/McCloskey) 6) Shades (Music/Lyrics: Levin - Vocal Melody: Huff/Levin) 7) Sparks Fly (Music: Levin) 8) Embers (Music: Levin/Brunelle - Vocal Melody/Lyrics: Brunelle) All Arrangements by The Dark Aether Project Produced and Engineered by Adam Levin Recorded at The House of Dark Aether - Severn, MD The Dark Aether Project is: Allen Brunelle: Drums/Background Vocals/Keyboards Jennifer Huff: Vocals Adam Levin: Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/Bass/Guitar/Keyboards/Loops John McCloskey: Acoustic and Electric Guitars Marty Saletta: Keyboards/Stick For distribution/interviews/bookings and other inquiries contact: Dark Aether Productions PO Box 2332 Columbia MD 21045 Web Site: http://www.darkaether.net/ Email: info@darkaether.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 15:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05633; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:46:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:46:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c19ec5$97a1e500$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Repeater "replace" bug- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:40:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C19E82.88B53A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <8p19Q.A.vPB.AcdR8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C19E82.88B53A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hola-=20 I had a loop on internal RAM- I saved a copy to the CFC- then modified = the original and decided to replace the copy on the CFC with the revised = one- the unit did a complete reset and restarted and caused a file = error- both loops were gone. I re-created the exact same results again = less the file error. Anyone else have this bug? Is it "known"? I'm = running OS 1.10, SimpleTech 128mb CFC. Thanks-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C19E82.88B53A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hola-
     
    I had a loop on internal RAM- I saved a copy to the = CFC- then=20 modified the original and decided to replace the copy on the CFC with = the=20 revised one- the unit did a complete reset and restarted and caused a = file=20 error- both loops were gone. I re-created the exact same results again = less the=20 file error. Anyone else have this bug? Is it "known"? I'm running OS = 1.10,=20 SimpleTech 128mb CFC. Thanks-
     
    Cliff
    ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C19E82.88B53A80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 15:18:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08288; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:03:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:03:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <125.a521544.29773507@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:56:55 EST Subject: Re: EDP Reverse-Insert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > CORRETION > hey all, just checked this on a more simple setting and I was wrong. It does > not add time to the loop. > BUT, it clears and puts in whatever new info you would want to place in the > loop. Thats right, its called Replace. Replace occurs with a long press of Insert. Which is the case when Insertmode is set to Insert. (if my fading memory of the Loop3 software is correct). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 15:35:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10151; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:20:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <126.a396e68.29773909@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:14:01 EST Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Where did you get Loop 4 software? I'm on Loop 3 v5.0 and a long press of > Rev does in fact lead to Replace- I'm at work now but I am sure I was in > Loop mode with Insert=Rev. I can't imagine that function would get removed- > Mattias? Hi Cliff My Loop4 software came from Matthias (via Trace Elliot). I've been Beta testing, for 3-4 months now, and the Loop4 software has lots of new stuff. The Loop3 features are still 99% all there though. (although my favourite Multiply-Reverse has become Multiply-Reverse-Record, an extra press for the same effect) The Insert=Rev longpress going into Replace certainly isn't in the new Loop4 software, What happens in the 400ms when the (Loop3.5)EDP hasn't yet found out that you're doing a long press? Do you hear 400ms of Reversed Loop? (in theory you should!). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 16:11:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13176; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:55:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:55:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: EDP Reverse-Insert Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:55:55 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19ed8$9281f700$5578580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: Re: EDP Reverse-Insert > >> CORRECTION >> hey all, just checked this on a more simple setting and I was wrong. It >does >> not add time to the loop. >> BUT, it clears and puts in whatever new info you would want to place in the >> loop. > >Thats right, its called Replace. >Replace occurs with a long press of Insert. >Which is the case when Insertmode is set to Insert. >(if my fading memory of the Loop3 software is correct). >andy butler Andy - It is, you're right and it lands perfectly under my feet. See kids - that's what happens when you only read the manual a few times and play too much with switches. I end up clueless as to what something is called, I only know how to work it in when I want. Looks like i'll have an EDP with the new OS and one w/o till I get the hang of the new ways. Any release date on the new OS? best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 16:24:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15325; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:09:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:09:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c19ed1$45930120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <126.a396e68.29773909@aol.com> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:03:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could you explain your favourite effect a bit more and how it has changed? I'll let you know about that rogue 400ms after I get home later- Thanks Andy- Cliff PS- Kim mentioned there would be another way to accomplish the Insert=Rev longpress function in the new software- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > Where did you get Loop 4 software? I'm on Loop 3 v5.0 and a long press of > > Rev does in fact lead to Replace- I'm at work now but I am sure I was in > > Loop mode with Insert=Rev. I can't imagine that function would get removed- > > Mattias? > Hi Cliff > My Loop4 software came from Matthias (via Trace Elliot). > I've been Beta testing, for 3-4 months now, and the Loop4 software has lots > of new stuff. > The Loop3 features are still 99% all there though. > (although my favourite Multiply-Reverse has become Multiply-Reverse-Record, > an extra press for the same effect) > > The Insert=Rev longpress going into Replace certainly isn't in the new Loop4 > software, > What happens in the 400ms when the (Loop3.5)EDP hasn't yet found out that > you're doing a long press? Do you hear 400ms of Reversed Loop? (in theory you > should!). > > andy butler > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 17:20:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21045; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:05:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:05:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c19ece$9df49cf0$aa83abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: Subject: printable Edp picture Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:44:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C19ED6.FF2F89A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C19ED6.FF2F89A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, the musical magazine I am collaborating with needs a picture of an Edp = (Gibson would be better, so we can be updated) with a resolution and = quality which allows it to be printed on paper. Anyone who has the chance to send it, please mail me before sending it = to me, I will provide the address of the magazine's printing dept. Thanks a lot !!! ...trying to make Italy a looping country !!! best, luca www.unguitar.com ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C19ED6.FF2F89A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi guys,
    the musical magazine I am collaborating = with needs=20 a picture of an Edp (Gibson would be better, so we can be updated) with = a=20 resolution and quality which allows it to be printed on = paper.
    Anyone who has the chance to send it, = please mail=20 me before sending it to me, I will provide the address of the magazine's = printing dept.
    Thanks a lot !!!
    ...trying to make Italy a looping = country=20 !!!
     
    best,
    luca
     
    www.unguitar.com
    = ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C19ED6.FF2F89A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 22:53:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18093; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:38:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:38:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C464546.3CFDE6C0@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:30:14 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "beyond_em@egroups.com" , "IDM-Making@egroups.com" , Loopers Delight , "synth-fu@egroups.com" Subject: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm cross-posting this to hopefully get a few replies since I know there aren't a ton of Linux users on any of these lists. Please feel free to correct / redirect me if you think I've veered too far OT. What I've got: PII 266 ASUS P2B mobo zip. flop, 20X Acer CD Rom SB16 MCD/ASP ISA (I hrt this vintage card) 192 PC100 ram 20GB Western Digital Main drive (for OS + APPS) 60GDB IBM Deathstar (For audio storage, probably as one big NTFS partition - must be able to mount this from Linux) Netgear Ethernet adaptor Diamond Stealth 3D 4000 AGP display card What I'm trying to do: I have a tiny 500MB Windows 3.11 partition that I need to keep for the Cakewalk 3.0 old sequences + SB16 win3.11 only software I've got working very stably, but I'd like to use the rest of this for Linux / BSD / BeOs partitions. I know this is a loaded question, but what IS the best Linux distro for audio (given the above hardware?). I've looked around, but found nothing catering to setting up a particular Linux distro for Audio + MIDI. Anybody have any hints / horror stories? I'm not necessarily looking for the newest and slickest. Stable + vastly configurable = good. I NEED to have this box networked + talking to a Mac G3 and a PIII as the gateway for internet connection sharing. Thanks in advance for any advice. Scott -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 23:05:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18784; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:51:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:51:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:45:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Doktor Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C464546.3CFDE6C0@tapehissrecordings.com> Message-Id: <9BB10A90-0AFC-11D6-BB28-003065D3B9D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: <9ZlevD.A.mgE.LjkR8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try Mandrake Linux. Buy the full 7 CD version. It comes with a decent array of audio programs and the ALSA drivers and utilities. -Greg On Wednesday, January 16, 2002, at 07:30 PM, Scott Carr wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm cross-posting this to hopefully get a few replies since I know there > aren't a ton of Linux users on any of these lists. Please feel free to > correct / redirect me if you think I've veered too far OT. > > What I've got: > > PII 266 > ASUS P2B mobo > zip. flop, 20X Acer CD Rom > SB16 MCD/ASP ISA (I hrt this vintage card) > 192 PC100 ram > 20GB Western Digital Main drive (for OS + APPS) > 60GDB IBM Deathstar (For audio storage, probably as one big NTFS > partition - must be able to mount this from Linux) > Netgear Ethernet adaptor > Diamond Stealth 3D 4000 AGP display card > > What I'm trying to do: > > I have a tiny 500MB Windows 3.11 partition that I need to keep for the > Cakewalk 3.0 old sequences + SB16 win3.11 only software I've got working > very stably, but I'd like to use the rest of this for Linux / BSD / BeOs > partitions. > > I know this is a loaded question, but what IS the best Linux distro for > audio (given the above hardware?). I've looked around, but found nothing > catering to setting up a particular Linux distro for Audio + MIDI. > Anybody have any hints / horror stories? I'm not necessarily looking for > the newest and slickest. Stable + vastly configurable = good. I NEED to > have this box networked + talking to a Mac G3 and a PIII as the gateway > for internet connection sharing. > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > Scott > > -- > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~ > % > Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine > > http://www.tapehissrecordings.com > > and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin > > http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves > http://mp3.com/hebephrenica > http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~ > % > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "What's in the Fungus Mungus? Never mind just bring it to me" -Cheech and Chong From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 23:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20611; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:00:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:00:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.201.153.188] From: "Jeremy Sawruk" To: , , , References: <3C464546.3CFDE6C0@tapehissrecordings.com> Subject: Re: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:54:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 03:54:04.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B5B5D30:01C19F0A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a Linux user and I would be happy to help. First, if you're going to be doing serious sequencing, I would recommend a faster processor. I use a PII 450 and I've had no problems with it, although I am considering an upgrade. Zip Drive is good idea. I've had no problems with them in Linux. 192 MB RAM is good, but again more is always better. I personally use 256. Also, if you get a fast enough processor, you can get PC133 RAM! The two hard drives idea is good. I assume you're going to put the OS and the swap partition on the 20 GB; I recommend a 2-4 GB swap partition. As for the 60 GB, DO NOT USE NTFS if you are running Linux. Linux can (usually) read NTFS, but writing to NTFS is extremely buggy. Even you have windows on your machine, a FAT32 might be better (though you lose the ability to compress and encrypt). If you need compression and/or encryption, then just use the native Linux file system. Ethernet adaptor is good. The 3D card looks good as well. As for the best Linux distrubution for audio? There is none really! Linux was not designed with audio in mind, though adding audio to Linux is getting better. I used Mandrake Linux which gave me no serious problems with my audio, except it took me forever to find the program to load my SoundFonts! No problems with audio on my system, and only a MIDI output problem which was really a lack of documentation problem. Please get a copy of "The Book of Linux Music and Sound" by Dave Phillips from Linux Journal Press. It call help a lot more than I can. Any more questions, feel free to email me. J. Sawruk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Carr" To: ; ; "Loopers Delight" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question > Hi all, > > I'm cross-posting this to hopefully get a few replies since I know there > aren't a ton of Linux users on any of these lists. Please feel free to > correct / redirect me if you think I've veered too far OT. > > What I've got: > > PII 266 > ASUS P2B mobo > zip. flop, 20X Acer CD Rom > SB16 MCD/ASP ISA (I hrt this vintage card) > 192 PC100 ram > 20GB Western Digital Main drive (for OS + APPS) > 60GDB IBM Deathstar (For audio storage, probably as one big NTFS > partition - must be able to mount this from Linux) > Netgear Ethernet adaptor > Diamond Stealth 3D 4000 AGP display card > > What I'm trying to do: > > I have a tiny 500MB Windows 3.11 partition that I need to keep for the > Cakewalk 3.0 old sequences + SB16 win3.11 only software I've got working > very stably, but I'd like to use the rest of this for Linux / BSD / BeOs > partitions. > > I know this is a loaded question, but what IS the best Linux distro for > audio (given the above hardware?). I've looked around, but found nothing > catering to setting up a particular Linux distro for Audio + MIDI. > Anybody have any hints / horror stories? I'm not necessarily looking for > the newest and slickest. Stable + vastly configurable = good. I NEED to > have this box networked + talking to a Mac G3 and a PIII as the gateway > for internet connection sharing. > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > Scott > > -- > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine > > http://www.tapehissrecordings.com > > and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin > > http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves > http://mp3.com/hebephrenica > http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 23:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21543; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:14:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:14:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C464DBE.66F9DFBC@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:06:22 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question References: <9BB10A90-0AFC-11D6-BB28-003065D3B9D2@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got the latest Mandrake ISO, but it seems to only support SBLive! + more current audio cards. Will this distro work with olde audio cards??? Scott Doktor Greg Kucharo wrote: > > Try Mandrake Linux. Buy the full 7 CD version. It comes with a decent > array of audio programs and the ALSA drivers and utilities. > -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 23:43:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22457; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:29:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:29:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:23:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Doktor Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C464DBE.66F9DFBC@tapehissrecordings.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It should yes. The ALSA drivers should support more cards than the default install. When you install make sure you select the packages by hand and install the ALSA stuff. Mandrake has a excellent hardware detection program to help you get the cards configured at install time as well. On Wednesday, January 16, 2002, at 08:06 PM, Scott Carr wrote: > I've got the latest Mandrake ISO, but it seems to only support SBLive! + > more current audio cards. Will this distro work with olde audio cards??? > > Scott > > Doktor Greg Kucharo wrote: >> >> Try Mandrake Linux. Buy the full 7 CD version. It comes with a >> decent >> array of audio programs and the ALSA drivers and utilities. >> > -- > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~ > % > Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine > > http://www.tapehissrecordings.com > > and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin > > http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves > http://mp3.com/hebephrenica > http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~ > % > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 23:45:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22572; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:31:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:31:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C46520E.E5FA8229@iwvisp.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:24:46 -0800 From: dirt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question References: <3C464546.3CFDE6C0@tapehissrecordings.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More toonful Linux tonage via Dave Phillips: http://sound.condorow.net/ Jeremy Sawruk wrote: > --respectfully snipped-- > > Please get a copy of "The Book of Linux Music and Sound" by Dave Phillips > from Linux Journal Press. It call help a lot more than I can. > > Any more questions, feel free to email me. > > J. Sawruk --respectfully snipped again-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 23:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23310; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:40:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:40:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.201.153.188] From: "Jeremy Sawruk" To: References: <9BB10A90-0AFC-11D6-BB28-003065D3B9D2@mac.com> <3C464DBE.66F9DFBC@tapehissrecordings.com> Subject: Re: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:34:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 04:34:10.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[3568D380:01C19F10] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, ALSA supports every soundblaster card, so it should work. J. Sawruk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Carr" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: Re: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question > I've got the latest Mandrake ISO, but it seems to only support SBLive! + > more current audio cards. Will this distro work with olde audio cards??? > > Scott > > Doktor Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > > Try Mandrake Linux. Buy the full 7 CD version. It comes with a decent > > array of audio programs and the ALSA drivers and utilities. > > > -- > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine > > http://www.tapehissrecordings.com > > and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin > > http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves > http://mp3.com/hebephrenica > http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 00:52:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28341; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:37:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:37:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <28.20a5c80a.2977bb6f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:30:23 EST Subject: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got it today. Plugged it in. It was 1.0 (Oh well). A sort of whining noise (besides me) was constantly present. Except when in sleep mode or all faders down. Also when I was executing "undo" and the track assign lights start flashing. There was an audible pulsing sound through my amp. So after I spend my time and money mailing it back. I'm going to give it one more chance. Does anybody know where I can get a Repeater 1.1? Rant completed, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 01:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31885; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:18:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:18:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c19f1e$5b3dda20$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <28.20a5c80a.2977bb6f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:15:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James- Any Repeater can easily be upgraded to the free OS version 1.1 software- just go to www.electrixpro.com and all the instructions are there- There is also a forum there where the Electrix people moderate and often respond to user's concerns. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) > Just got it today. Plugged it in. It was 1.0 (Oh well). A sort of > whining noise (besides me) was constantly present. Except when in sleep mode > or all faders down. Also when I was executing "undo" and the track assign > lights start flashing. There was an audible pulsing sound through my amp. > So after I spend my time and money mailing it back. I'm going to give it > one more chance. Does anybody know where I can get a Repeater 1.1? > > Rant completed, James > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 03:01:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06274; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:47:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c19f2a$c45915e0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <28.20a5c80a.2977bb6f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:44:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I forgot to mention a very important detail- the type of CFC you are using could cause many of the problems you mentioned- be sure to read up on this topic at Electrix. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) > Just got it today. Plugged it in. It was 1.0 (Oh well). A sort of > whining noise (besides me) was constantly present. Except when in sleep mode > or all faders down. Also when I was executing "undo" and the track assign > lights start flashing. There was an audible pulsing sound through my amp. > So after I spend my time and money mailing it back. I'm going to give it > one more chance. Does anybody know where I can get a Repeater 1.1? > > Rant completed, James > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 03:45:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10102; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:30:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:30:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:25:02 -0800 Subject: More live tracks From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c19f1e$5b3dda20$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I posted a few more board mixes from a show we did in Oct at: http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s enjoy, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 03:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09914; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:28:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:28:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:21:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c19f1e$5b3dda20$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the manual, it talks about how the Repeater is a line level out, and NOT an instrument level (like your guitar amp is expecting) The amp is probably just trying to boost a level that doesn't need it. Try taking the Repeater outputs and going into some type of amp that's not designed for guitars, like a home stereo amp, or keyboard amp. I bet your noise problems go away. Mark Sottilaro on 1/16/02 10:15 PM, Om_Audio at clifsound@mediaone.net wrote: > James- > > Any Repeater can easily be upgraded to the free OS version 1.1 software- > just go to www.electrixpro.com and all the instructions are there- There is > also a forum there where the Electrix people moderate and often respond to > user's concerns. > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:30 PM > Subject: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) > > >> Just got it today. Plugged it in. It was 1.0 (Oh well). A sort of >> whining noise (besides me) was constantly present. Except when in sleep > mode >> or all faders down. Also when I was executing "undo" and the track assign >> lights start flashing. There was an audible pulsing sound through my amp. >> So after I spend my time and money mailing it back. I'm going to give > it >> one more chance. Does anybody know where I can get a Repeater 1.1? >> >> Rant completed, James >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 04:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13505; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:59:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: FS: Korg DL8000R $250 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:52:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c19f34$55bcb1f0$e392adcf@musicmahn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2526.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Midi controlled delay. Rhythm settings. 5 sec stereo, 10 sec mono. On the looping tools list of loopers delight. Excellent condition. $250. Manual, power supply. I can accept non credit card paypal, money order, cod. Eric Zang Phoenix, Arizona 602-276-3138 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 05:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22164; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:32:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:32:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.75c5d5c.297800d1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:26:25 EST Subject: EDP Trick (as requested) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <8dcnwB.A.1TF.WbqR8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a copy of a post a I made about my favourite EDP trick with Loop3. It still works in Loop4, but you need to press one more button to make it work. ... the bit at the end about how I ought to be working still olds true! Extracts part of a loop and reverses it, while allowing you to keep the original. SampleMode=Att Switchquant=CnF InsertMode=REV MoreLoops=2 Quantise=OFF Set up a loop Hit Nextloop Wait till start of section you want to reverse and hit Multiply At end of selection for reversal hit Insert (REV) Now you've got a bit of your loop suddenly going backwards. If you were playing over the top of this then that will get overdubbed and reversed. Go back to original loop with NextLoop followed by Undo, with this set up it will start from the beginnning of the loop. (On the whole, the Multiply >>> Insert (=REV) combination is an interesting one. Not covered in the manual, though Kim has mentioned it in terms of recording a long phrase over a repeated loop, then finishing with reverse ) My biggest wish for the new loop4 software is (apart from the crazy stuff) to be able to Multiply without having to overdub, if only in delay mode. andy butler (should be working) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 06:33:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26305; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:18:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:18:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C46B2B5.8F3D7070@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:17:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) References: <200201170914.EAA15094@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James, Aside from the other suggestions you've received here, it's also possible that you have a faulty unit. I had a similar problem with my Repeater - a whining/warbling noise that was worse with the input turned up, but intermittently audible even with input turned all the way down. After a number of conversations to eliminate other possibilities, the Electrix folks had me return the unit, and replaced the input pot (which also crackled when I touched it). The crackle was gone, but unfortunately, that didn't fix the hum/whine problem. After many more discussions about my setup, including sending them an mp3 of the sound, the Electrix crew decided that I have a bad unit, and to replace it. I'm currently waiting to receive a new unit, and am keeping my fingers crossed that that will solve the problem. The bottom line is that the folks at Electrix will be willing to work with you to pin down the problem (even though the process may be longer and more painful than you might wish). Check out the Electrix forum, as suggested, and get in touch with Electrix support if needed. Good luck, Elby > Subject: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:30:23 EST > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com > To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > > Just got it today. Plugged it in. It was 1.0 (Oh well). A sort > of > whining noise (besides me) was constantly present. Except when in > sleep mode > or all faders down. Also when I was executing "undo" and the track > assign > lights start flashing. There was an audible pulsing sound through my > amp. > So after I spend my time and money mailing it back. I'm going to > give it > one more chance. Does anybody know where I can get a Repeater 1.1? > > Rant completed, James > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 06:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26323; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:18:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:18:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C46B2C3.466BD2D5@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:17:23 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) References: <200201170914.EAA15094@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James, Aside from the other suggestions you've received here, it's also possible that you have a faulty unit. I had a similar problem with my Repeater - a whining/warbling noise that was worse with the input turned up, but intermittently audible even with input turned all the way down. After a number of conversations to eliminate other possibilities, the Electrix folks had me return the unit, and replaced the input pot (which also crackled when I touched it). The crackle was gone, but unfortunately, that didn't fix the hum/whine problem. After many more discussions about my setup, including sending them an mp3 of the sound, the Electrix crew decided that I have a bad unit, and to replace it. I'm currently waiting to receive a new unit, and am keeping my fingers crossed that that will solve the problem. The bottom line is that the folks at Electrix will be willing to work with you to pin down the problem (even though the process may be longer and more painful than you might wish). Check out the Electrix forum, as suggested, and get in touch with Electrix support if needed. Good luck, Elby > Subject: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:30:23 EST > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com > To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > > Just got it today. Plugged it in. It was 1.0 (Oh well). A sort > of > whining noise (besides me) was constantly present. Except when in > sleep mode > or all faders down. Also when I was executing "undo" and the track > assign > lights start flashing. There was an audible pulsing sound through my > amp. > So after I spend my time and money mailing it back. I'm going to > give it > one more chance. Does anybody know where I can get a Repeater 1.1? > > Rant completed, James > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 11:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21190; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:48:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:48:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NYC looper to Nashville? Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:37:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 15:37:06.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[D18E8FF0:01C19F6C] Resent-Message-ID: <41aGp.A.X7E.B_uR8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, Well after 9 nine years of slaving here in NYC & with the Dot-Bomb I work for almost out of money I’m thinking of packing up & moving. Problem in is I play the NS Stick & if the “establishment” sees the “stick” word they think you are just a glorified bass player interested in playing King Crimson. Or they don’t think at all because they are a bunch of god damn self absorbed flakes that just want you to buy their records & go to their f**king shows… :( Any thoughts on the Nashville scene. What are the cool venues? I like the fact that the cost of living is a lot less. Be able to work part time & have more time for music. Thanks for your help & sorry for the bitter tone of my note. Just a tad frustrated… Cheers Lou _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 12:02:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27969; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:47:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:47:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRnCPC30+fzS5I0fAdtXIEOfuTD/wIVAJ6as/iJY5jXsXD8Izx6GUAPMB4v From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:41:55 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) Message-ID: <26515-3C46FED3-1436@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Mountain Man 's message of Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:17:09 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just about ready to purchase a repeater or an echoplex, and all these bad things I keep hearing about the repeater makes me wonder. But the people who have repeaters that have no problems seem to love them. I'm scared. I dont want to get a lemon. Is anyone having problems with their echoplex? Thanx, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 12:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01195; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <26515-3C46FED3-1436@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <26515-3C46FED3-1436@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:27:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm just about ready to purchase a repeater or an echoplex, and all >these bad things I keep hearing about the repeater makes me wonder. But >the people who have repeaters that have no problems seem to love them. >I'm scared. I dont want to get a lemon. Is anyone having problems with >their echoplex? Thanx, Bill To be honest, after the software issues were resolved in vs. 1.1, I have hardly heard any hardware related problems. Sure, every company puts out a bad unit every now and then. Search the archives about the Echoplex Digital Pro. I've seen tons of hardware and software issues, but I'm sure they're the exception, not the rule. I'd buy on what features I wanted, not on which unit will be more reliable. I think they're both great pieces of gear as far as that goes. If you're really worried, buy it locally and make them get you a unit and take it out of the box and plug it in before you take it home. I've done that at the Guitar Center, as they suck. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 13:04:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03534; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:49:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:49:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <26515-3C46FED3-1436@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <26515-3C46FED3-1436@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:43:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don;t wonder. the repeaer is fantastic. i think the problem is a gain matching issue. i use primarily synths and have my electrix gear on the sends and returns of my hot mixer. the noise level is almost inaudible. my friend, who is a guitar player, is constantly struggling with noise because he is using a mic level instrument and line level effects. ideally you should have a gain/impedance matching strategy if you are going to use line gear in a mic system (mic, in this case meaning guitar). like a small rack mixer with sends and returns. the front jack on the repeater is designed to match mic level signals better and it might best to use that for your guitar. but you will still be coming out line level. impedance matching is very important (this isn't gain). for the lowest noise levels you need to match both gain and impedance. an amateur just plugging a device into his system will be met with varying results because of the mismatching. plexus >I'm just about ready to purchase a repeater or an echoplex, and all >these bad things I keep hearing about the repeater makes me wonder. But >the people who have repeaters that have no problems seem to love them. >I'm scared. I dont want to get a lemon. Is anyone having problems with >their echoplex? Thanx, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 13:44:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08269; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:29:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4725FB.438ACF81@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:28:59 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) References: <26515-3C46FED3-1436@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brett Maraldo wrote: > an amateur just plugging a device into his system will be met with > varying results because of the mismatching. Being just such a person described above, I can report no problems with my Repeater, other than having to keep the input knob very, very low on my Vortex (in the Repeater's internal effects loop). The effects loop, the multi-track loops, and the storage of loops, and long loop time are great features on this box... it doesnt stop me from lusting after an Echoplex to use in tandom though! -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 14:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15477; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c19f8c$dca31e40$0101a8c0@workstation1> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: OT:New Cd Uploaded on Emusic.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:26:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19F95.3D4A2F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19F95.3D4A2F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All. Here you are some cd spam from Italy. Finally Emusic.com has started to upload some cds my label sent them. The first to be uploaded is Impro:Improvvisazione Impropria. It is an = (almost) live recording straight from mixer to a sony rack MD recorder. = It contains music improvised by me (guitar and loops), Dj Batman (cdjs = and loops) and Globster (Didjeridoo, vocal noises and rithms and loops). Next will come my second cd as Altered Sounds:Volume 2 (Guitars and = Loops). The link to Impro is: http://www.emusic.com/albums/31511 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19F95.3D4A2F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19F95.3D4A2F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 15:03:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16258; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:48:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:48:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:40:10 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC looper to Nashville? From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA15955 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my friend... if you are laboring under the illusion that people are going to me MORE open minded or hip in nashville than they are in new york, then i'm afraid you are in for a rude awakening (no offense nashville folks...) i have a lot of friends there and sopme of them are pretty hip...but they are in the overwhemingly miniscule minority... as for hip venues.... well...hmmm.. nuff said.... i go there to work all the time and i can only speak from my own experience over the last ten years as a musician who works there at least once a month... there on 1/17/02 10:37 AM, Louis Rossi at tarbit@hotmail.com wrote: > > Hi there, > > Well after 9 nine years of slaving here in NYC & with the Dot-Bomb I work > for almost out of money I’m thinking of packing up & moving. Problem in is I > play the NS Stick & if the “establishment” sees the “stick” word they think > you are just a glorified bass player interested in playing King Crimson. Or > they don’t think at all because they are a bunch of god damn self absorbed > flakes that just want you to buy their records & go to their f**king shows… > :( > > Any thoughts on the Nashville scene. What are the cool venues? I like the > fact that the cost of living is a lot less. Be able to work part time & have > more time for music. > > Thanks for your help & sorry for the bitter tone of my note. Just a tad > frustrated… > > Cheers > > Lou > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 15:14:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16976; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:58:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:58:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant)/EDP experience Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:45:13 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19f97$dcaeb600$8577580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: William Mcallister To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) I'm just about ready to purchase a repeater or an echoplex, and all these bad things I keep hearing about the repeater makes me wonder. But the people who have repeaters that have no problems seem to love them. I'm scared. I dont want to get a lemon. Is anyone having problems with their echoplex? Thanx, Bill Bill - No problems with my/our EDP's. I have upgraded two of them with the LOOPIII OS and they run quite smoothly. One was bought circa 1995 by my girlfriend brand spanking new from Manny's in NYC. We only recently upgraded that one. The other was bought used on EBay (for more than they are brand new now and yes worth it) in the summer 1998 and upgraded shortly thereafter. It has also been running without a hitch. The newer EDP's are loaded with maxed memory and LOOPIII software. If you want to loop it would be my choice. Yes I have two Electrix RPTR's. My gf uses her RPTR and is quite good at getting some good stuff out of same. Mine sits in the other room. I hooked it up and found, yes Electrix is right and it says so right on the unit. It is a Loop Based Recorder. So i'm using other gear for my loops. But, I will say that the RPTR turned me on to some sounds that I get with other gear as the RPTR has this hiccup due to it being a recorder first and looper second, IMO or in their advertising, whatever. It can gnash and torture some signals to the point of Hendrix-like fuzz out, which I like. I just don't like having to turn very many knobs to get there. Which is maybe why my gf has had real success with the unit (she uses a mixer and is a vocal texturalist) and my unit sits impotent (I obviously play guitar). Please note I have not upgraded the RPTR to the 1.1 OS. I really feel that they should send the upgrade/bug fixer to the folks who bought the units for gratis. I don't have a CFC reader nor do I have any interest in saving loops on CFC's. I use dat for that. But man, I haven't saved a loop in a while. I just record them and improvise lately. I hope this helps some, but please realize there is no substitute for going to a shop and checking out a piece of gear first-hand/foot. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 23:01:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27068; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:46:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:46:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C479884.C5877EB6@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:37:40 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question References: <9BB10A90-0AFC-11D6-BB28-003065D3B9D2@mac.com> <3C464DBE.66F9DFBC@tapehissrecordings.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2sY3pB.A.5fG.dk5R8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the tips - I will try this out + get the book. Scott Jeremy Sawruk wrote: > > Yes, ALSA supports every soundblaster card, so it should work. > > J. Sawruk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Carr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: Linux Distrobution for Audio Question > > > I've got the latest Mandrake ISO, but it seems to only support SBLive! + > > more current audio cards. Will this distro work with olde audio cards??? > > > > Scott > > > > Doktor Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > > > > Try Mandrake Linux. Buy the full 7 CD version. It comes with a decent > > > array of audio programs and the ALSA drivers and utilities. > > > > > -- > > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > > Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine > > > > http://www.tapehissrecordings.com > > > > and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin > > > > http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves > > http://mp3.com/hebephrenica > > http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime > > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > > > > -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 11:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17121; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:41:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:41:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:35:22 -0800 Subject: test From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 14:06:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30346; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:44:57 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006901c1a050$3a13f9a0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <26515-3C46FED3-1436@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, We've had different periods where the EDP, Line 6 DL4 and now the Repeater have reported problems... some hardware some software. They all seem to get worked out... (I would just act like the sucker is NOT going to fritz out, and when and IF it does, just take care of business). Just pick the one that fits your work methods and get excited about having the right tool! Then if something goes wrong... send it out to get fixed and buy another *different* looper to flesh out your arsenal! 8-) You can never have too many fuzz boxes, delays or loopers! Trust me... this is the best way to accumulate cool gear! Best, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: William Mcallister To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Bad Repeater Experience (Rant) > I'm just about ready to purchase a repeater or an echoplex, and all > these bad things I keep hearing about the repeater makes me wonder. But > the people who have repeaters that have no problems seem to love them. > I'm scared. I dont want to get a lemon. Is anyone having problems with > their echoplex? Thanx, Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 14:42:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01669; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:17:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: After the Loop: Post-Techno and the Logic of Repetition Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got this from another list. These guys seem to think of loops as in dance music only. A drag. But perhaps someone should go see it and report? Loop: a Panel/Performance After the Loop: Post-Techno and the Logic of Repetition Saturday, January 19th, 4:30pm FREE On the occasion of the exhibition Loop, currently on view at P.S.1 Contemporary Art Center (through January 27, 2002), this event extends the show's scope to include music and sound. While the loop has long played a key role in music - especially in electronic contexts - this event explores how musicians are negotiating that relationship, experimenting with the ways in which electronic music can move beyond the loop - by highlighting the digital "glitch" or errors rather than the continuous beat. This hybrid panel/performance features leading electronic musicians discussing the relevance of the loop as a music-making strategy in contemporary techno music and the alternatives to the loop found in the "post-techno" aesthetic. Discussions will be interspersed with live laptop sound performances by the panelists. The dialogue will focus around musical debts to 60s minimalism, the fetishization of the error, alternate temporalities (stasis, eternal return), the loop's technological determination in sound software and hardware, the context of the dance-floor, and the logic of repetition. Panelists include: Philip Sherburne (The Wire, Newmu.net, XLR8R, CMJ New Music Monthly), Taylor Deupree (12k/LINE Records), Jason Williams aka Velocette (Parallel Records), Chris Sattinger aka Timeblind (Orthlorng Musork), and Todd Hyman (Carpark Records). Philip Sherburne, the event's moderator, is a writer, editor, photographer and DJ. Since 1997 he has distinguished himself as a journalist of experimental sound and popular music -- contributing over 300 features, interviews and reviews to national and international publications. Past subjects include Steve Reich, Carsten Nicolai, Chris Cunningham, Matthew Herbert, Ursula Rucker, Kirk Degiorgio, Two Lone Swordsmen, Funkstorung, Thomas Brinkmann, Stephan Matthieu, Blectum from Blechdom, Kit Clayton, and Vikter Duplaix. His weekly column, "Needle Drops," appears every Friday at www.neumu.net/needledrops. Taylor Deupree is a Brooklyn-based musician, graphic designer, photographer, and founder of the 12k music label. Over the last four years Deupree and 12k's increasingly refined sonic mission has been to push the boundaries of minimal, digital sound art and to bring a new level of design-consciousness to music in America. Deupree and collaborator Richard Chartier also launched LINE, a subdivision of 12k that explores new, digital, conceptual, ultra-minimalist sound and the relationship between sound, silence and the art of listening. In addition to 12k, Deupree records for a number of other labels including Ritornell/Mille Plateaux, Raster music (Germany), Fallt (Ireland), and Audio.nl (Netherlands), Instinct Records, Caipirinha Music, Plastic City (USA), Disko b (Germany), Dum (Finland), and kk records (Belgium) among others. Jason Williams (aka Velocette) has been releasing music since 1994, first with Reflective Records (San Francisco), and since 1997, with his own label, Parallel Recordings. His music has been called "moody" and "melodic," and two of his works were used in Iara Lee's recent film on electronic music, "Modulations." He has collaborated with electronic luminaries such as Jonah Sharp and Kit Clayton (as i-liner). His most recent album - as Velocette - Changes in the Rhythm of Life was released on Parallel Recordings in 2001. Chris Sattinger has dwelled in the most loop obsessed genre, Minimal Techno, since 1993. Releases on Probe, Communique, Synewave, Missile and Kanzleramt explored the sonic mandala at excruciating volumes on sound systems throughout the world. His new album, Rugged Redemption (Orthlorng Musork) suggests a less repetitive sound. He is currently building a software-based intelligent composition environment that does its best to dissolve the loop into an attractor, loose and orbital. Todd Hyman founded Carpark Records in the summer of 1999. The label's output ranges from ambience to quirky techno and now boasts twelve releases, including EP's, singles, and full-length CDs by New York's So Takahashi, Minneapolis' Jake Mandell and providence, rhode island's Marumari. After the Loop is organized by Anthony Huberman with Philip Sherburne. Loop is curated by P.S.1 Chief Curator Klaus Biesenbach and was made possible, in part, by the Kunsthalle der Hypo-Kulturstiftung, Munich; HypoVereinsbank, New York; The Mondriaan Foundation, Amsterdam; The Contemporary Arts Council of the Museum of Modern Art; The Junior Associates of the Museum of Modern Art; Goethe-Institut Inter Nationes; Visual Word Systems, JVC; Lawton Fitt; and Gregor Medinger. Special thanks to Gagosian Gallery, New York. For more information, please call Anthony Huberman at 718.784.2084 ext.24 or anthony@ps1.org. -- http://whatGoes.com/submit ............................. submit to the calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ............................... a new fortune every minute. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 15:22:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05768; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:07:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:07:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:54:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Did you see this? NYC Loop conference... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA03896 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:13 AM +0000 1/18/02, lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com wrote: >Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:06:47 -0500 > From: Jeff Morey >Subject: Fwd: Electronic Music/Sound Conference > > >this saturday in nyc: > > > >>NET ART NEWS January 16, 2002 Get into The Loop This >Saturday, at > >>P.S. 1, why not attend a panel and performance that explores electronic > >>music and sound and the concept of the loop in this creative field (in > >>conjunction with the current exhibition on...you guessed it...the loop)? > >>Entitled ìAfter the Loop: Post-Techno and the Logic of Repetition,î the > >>event will address the latest in glitch aesthetics and new beats. > >> Panelists ñ who will demo work too -- include: Philip Sherburne > >>(The Wire, Newmu.net, XLR8R, CMJ New Music Monthly), Taylor Deupree > >>(12k/LINE Records), Jason Williams aka Velocette (Parallel Records), Chris > >>Sattinger aka Timeblind (Orthlorng Musork), and Todd Hyman (Carpark > >>Records). Itís free, at 4:30pm. > >>http://www.ps1.org/cut/press/loop.html > > Best regards, Eric --------------------- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: "5 by 5" Grant Strombeck -electronic pick-up sticks on drums and cymbals; Eric Leonardson -springboard; Greg O'Drobinak -Number 4 instrument; Nick Sondy -bass and electronics; Bob Falesch -laptop. Saturday January 19th @ 9:30, at The Nervous Center 4612 N. Lincoln Ave., Chicago, (773) 728-5010. Plasticene's "And So I May Return." Opening February 23, 2002 at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave. in Chicago. For more info call (312) 409-0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 17:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16822; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:02:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:02:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c1a037$b50d7cd0$09f8c440@g0wn7> From: "JAMES R FOWLER, III" To: Subject: looking for an echoplex edp Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:49:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if anybody out there has an echoplex edp for sale, please get in touch with me (jimfowler@prodigy.net). thanks, jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 01:47:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29540; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:32:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:32:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013201c1a0b3$38a4d040$0b55e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <14e.75c5d5c.297800d1@aol.com> Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:33:35 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <0xbzHD.A.oGH.XERS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com New photos from the December 2001 shows are now uploaded to the Ping website's main page & long schedule - featuring: Neil Wiernik (naw), Susanna Hood (s3), bruce.fm, Geordie Haley (Guitar Bonsai) & dreamSTATE. Have a peek at: http://www.theambientping.com/index.html#2001 and http://www.theambientping.com/thelongschedule.html#2001 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday January 22nd 2002 - Planet Of The Loops This edition of the Planet's bi­monthly looping series features loopers Andrew Aldridge (Sterling Moss, Kathryn Rose) on guitar, cheryl o (quasiMODAL) on cello and Steven Sauve (karmafarm) on treatments with special guest ­ - world percussionist Rick Shadrach Lazar (Loreena McKennitt, Montuno Police, Samba Squad, Bruce Cockburn...). cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca Rick Shadrach Lazar - http://www.montunopolice.com Andrew Aldridge + Planet Of The Loops http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/homepage.html http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 10:55:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02003; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:41:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:41:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:31:34 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: NAMM meeting 16sec. In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <_NTV_B.A.yZ.3GZS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:49 PM -0800 1/13/02, Stan Card wrote: >could somebody get some solid hearsay about <16sec.delay> being re-released It's being thought about but there are no concrete plans. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 11:27:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04751; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:12:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:12:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c1a0fa$b1d551a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: NAMM meeting 16sec. Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:05:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 11:49 PM -0800 1/13/02, Stan Card wrote: > >could somebody get some solid hearsay about <16sec.delay> being re-released > > It's being thought about but there are no concrete plans. Well that's good. It would be heavy as hell if they made it out of concrete. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 11:33:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05153; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c1a104$aa085b20$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul Pokorski" To: Subject: Musical Equipment Purchasers Anonymous Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:16:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1A0DA.C0D53F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1A0DA.C0D53F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, all: Is there an organization like Alcoholics Anonymous for people addicted = to purchasing music equipment? I'm kidding but when I looked at the e-mails coming from the online = vendors about "all the new cool stuff from NAMM", I asked myself, "why = do I need anything new"? And don't say, "you can't have enough loopers". = I'm satisfied with one Repeater. Had a couple of Echoplexes, DL-4, = Jamman, Boomerang. Never saw the need for more than one, though.=20 BTW, Arturia Storm looks pretty interesting, though. Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1A0DA.C0D53F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hey, all:
     
    Is there an organization like = Alcoholics Anonymous=20 for people addicted to purchasing music equipment?
     
    I'm kidding but when I looked at the = e-mails coming=20 from the online vendors about "all the new cool stuff from NAMM", I = asked=20 myself, "why do I need anything new"? And don't say, "you can't have = enough=20 loopers". I'm satisfied with one Repeater. Had a couple of Echoplexes, = DL-4,=20 Jamman, Boomerang. Never saw the need for more than one, though. =
     
    BTW, Arturia Storm looks pretty = interesting,=20 though.
     
    Regards, = Paul
    ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1A0DA.C0D53F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 11:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05868; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:18:55 EST Subject: Re: looking for an echoplex edp To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <4b.16fe3bfb.297af66f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-Call Alto Music-845 692 6922-In stock-$649.99 We just bought out the remaining inventory (around 50 pieces).I believe the factory is ceasing production for quite some time.Get one soon! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 16:20:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26349; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:05:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:05:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:51:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Shared 'discoveries' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back in November, in the 'Lawson's missive' art vs. craft thread, Miko Biffle made a passing reference to a couple of Swedish folk-rock bands he enjoys (Hedningarna and Garmarna). I'd never listened to either of them, so I checked them out. I'm so glad Miko mentioned them! Their stuff is in many ways similar to a project I'm currently involved in: a percussion/electric upright bass/loopmangled guitar trio fronted by a female Celtic vocalist. It probably would've been a long time before I'd heard these two bands, if at all. This brings me to my question: what other obscure artists are listmembers listening to who might be of interest to loopers? -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 16:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27225; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:25:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:25:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200201192116.NAA28842@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Shared 'discoveries' Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best of the Swedish bands, IMHO, is Vasen. Get "Whirled", on Northside records, for a good overview. They are tight, melodic, and funny, and their guitarist, Roger Tallroth, is one of the best accompanists I've ever heard. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 17:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31677; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:35:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:35:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:26:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Hammerfall interface From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201041608.LAA01118@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1OC0nD.A.CoH.jKfS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a little off-topic, but I want to upgrade the sound quality of my home studio -- I've got a G4 with Digital Performer and an audiomedia III card (and mackie mixer). Have been considering a MOTU interface such as the 2408 or 1224; keeping the audiomedia card and getting stand alone a/d d/a converters (apogee or mytek); a digidesign 001; or the hammerfall interface. Anyone have any advice? Or if this is too offtopic, know where I could get some good info? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 20:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20253; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:39:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:39:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:32:51 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Shared 'discoveries' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c601c1a152$6072a1c0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7y-gwC.A.FtE.82hS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Tim... I wish I could say I've had the pleasure of hearing all their stuff, but am only a dabbler, or dribbler as it were... I just had the pleasure of hear 'Tipsy', the SF post-lounge band (being tipped off by Mr. DT... Thanks David!) Once again... finding the good nuggets ain't easy, but it's a lot easier on this list... -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Nelson To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Shared 'discoveries' > Back in November, in the 'Lawson's missive' art vs. craft thread, Miko > Biffle made a passing reference to a couple of Swedish folk-rock bands he > enjoys (Hedningarna and Garmarna). I'd never listened to either of them, so > I checked them out. I'm so glad Miko mentioned them! Their stuff is in many > ways similar to a project I'm currently involved in: a percussion/electric > upright bass/loopmangled guitar trio fronted by a female Celtic vocalist. > It probably would've been a long time before I'd heard these two bands, if > at all. > > This brings me to my question: what other obscure artists are listmembers > listening to who might be of interest to loopers? > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 21:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22271; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:56:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:56:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:45:44 -0500 Subject: more swedish music From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-p_HgC.A.QMF.qGiS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm a huge fan of swedish folkies lena willemark and ale moller. he plays a really cool mando cello thing that has holes all over the neck, into which he inserts little thingys that act like capos for individual strings. he can capo every string at a different fret and have open strings for some chords but keep the relationships between the strings consistent. it's pretty cool. i think the guy that does the mod for him has a patent on the thing. peace monk on 1/19/02 3:51 PM, Tim Nelson at tnelson@metrocast.net wrote: > Back in November, in the 'Lawson's missive' art vs. craft thread, Miko > Biffle made a passing reference to a couple of Swedish folk-rock bands he > enjoys (Hedningarna and Garmarna). I'd never listened to either of them, so > I checked them out. I'm so glad Miko mentioned them! Their stuff is in many > ways similar to a project I'm currently involved in: a percussion/electric > upright bass/loopmangled guitar trio fronted by a female Celtic vocalist. > It probably would've been a long time before I'd heard these two bands, if > at all. > > This brings me to my question: what other obscure artists are listmembers > listening to who might be of interest to loopers? > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 21:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24973; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:10:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:10:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C49C30E.72C2801D@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:03:43 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Shared 'discoveries' References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This brings me to my question: what other obscure artists are listmembers > listening to who might be of interest to loopers? i have recently been revisitng "volition" by krakatau on ecm; wow what an amazing record. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 21:27:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25104; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:02:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Hammerfall interface From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have the digi001 and it really does sound good. ( i could tell you a suprising story about a really famous, well respected engineer that i've worked with that swears that the digi001 blows the protools tdm system out of the water sonically...)the converters are ok, not exceptional, but certainly as good as entry level apogees. i also use the motu 828 (firewire) drive. it sounds about as good, but is a lot more protable and, if you are already using MOTU software, it probably makes sense. in my opinion, either is going to be a step up from the Auido media card. monk on 1/19/02 5:26 PM, Steve Sandberg at stevesandberg@earthlink.net wrote: > This is a little off-topic, but I want to upgrade the sound quality of my > home studio -- I've got a G4 with Digital Performer and an audiomedia III > card (and mackie mixer). Have been considering a MOTU interface such as > the 2408 or 1224; keeping the audiomedia card and getting stand alone a/d > d/a converters (apogee or mytek); a digidesign 001; or the hammerfall > interface. > Anyone have any advice? Or if this is too offtopic, know where I could get > some good info? > Thanks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 21:27:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25115; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:12:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:12:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C49C385.794F1389@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:05:42 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hammerfall interface References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Have been considering a MOTU interface such as > the 2408 or 1224; keeping the audiomedia card and getting stand alone a/d > d/a converters (apogee or mytek); a digidesign 001; or the hammerfall > interface. > Anyone have any advice? i run a very similar rig & i love my 2408; i highly recommend motu. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 21:41:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26601; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:27:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:27:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4A29DA.F177BB55@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:35:04 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Shared 'discoveries' References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> <00c601c1a152$6072a1c0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko Biffle wrote: > Hey Tim... > > I wish I could say I've had the pleasure of hearing all their stuff, but am > only a dabbler, or dribbler as it were... > > I just had the pleasure of hear 'Tipsy', the SF post-lounge band (being > tipped off by Mr. DT... Thanks David!) > > Once again... finding the good nuggets ain't easy, but it's a lot easier on > this list... > > -Miko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:51 PM > Subject: Shared 'discoveries' > > > Back in November, in the 'Lawson's missive' art vs. craft thread, Miko > > Biffle made a passing reference to a couple of Swedish folk-rock bands he > > enjoys (Hedningarna and Garmarna). I'd never listened to either of them, > so > > I checked them out. I'm so glad Miko mentioned them! Their stuff is in > many > > ways similar to a project I'm currently involved in: a percussion/electric > > upright bass/loopmangled guitar trio fronted by a female Celtic vocalist. > > It probably would've been a long time before I'd heard these two bands, if > > at all. > > > > This brings me to my question: what other obscure artists are listmembers > > listening to who might be of interest to loopers? > > > > -t- > > since you were on the subject of things scandinavian, my oslo-resident brother sent me a cd a few years ago of a norwegian folk quartet called bukkene bruse. name of that cd is "steinstolen"- and i have been quite impressed with it from the first listening-no looping per se, but there are certainly plenty of ostinato figures woven in and out of the melodies...might call it "loop-ish"? anyway, quite lovely stuff, and worth looking for. it's on heilo/grappa records... cheers, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 22:05:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28820; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:51:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:51:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119213005.00a7fc70@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:37:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: more swedish music In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:45 PM 1/19/02 -0500, monk wrote: >...ale moller. he plays a >really cool mando cello thing that has holes all over the neck, into which >he inserts little thingys that act like capos for individual strings. he can >capo every string at a different fret and have open strings for some chords >but keep the relationships between the strings consistent. it's pretty cool. >i think the guy that does the mod for him has a patent on the thing. That DOES sound pretty cool. In principle it's along the lines of Harvey Reid's Third Hand capo, with which you can rotate the sleeve pieces individually to capo only those strings you want to. You can also use two of them on the same neck for more combinations. -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 23:24:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06736; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:09:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:09:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020120033217.79845.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:32:17 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: Shared 'discoveries' To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To keep this in the Nordic vein for a moment, I'm currently enjoying albums by Hoven Droven and Gjallarhorn in addition to the Hedningarna and Garmarna that Tim mentioned. The former are not as electronic as the latter, but are mightily cool in their own right. For similarly hip electro-Celtic music, I highly recommend Michael McGoldrick's _Fused_ and Alyth McCormack's _An Iomall_, both on Compass Records, as well as anything by Martyn Bennett (but particularly his self-titled first record) and Bill Laswell's _Emerald Aether_ remix disc. I also spent a good chuck of time this week cruising mp3.com for new stuff (taking advantage of my boss's absence); check out raisedbyaliens and Dysrhythmia for some cool guitar-trio instrumental rock. And just for a moment, I'll bow briefly to my lingering metalhead roots and recommend the latest albums by Incubus, Puya, and Disturbed. It ain't loopy, necessarily, but it's good aggressive music that actually displays some musicianship, which fortunately seems to be more common in the heavy rock scene lately. Don't haul yer spandex out of the closet just yet, though. =) >Their stuff is in many >ways similar to a project I'm currently involved in: >a percussion/electric >upright bass/loopmangled guitar trio fronted by a >female Celtic vocalist. Dammit, Tim, this is the band I'd've started if I could find the personnel. Please tell me you have some samples to share! Later, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com And if it's up to us to bring some balance back Let it not be said it's courage that we lack -Gaia Consort, "Cry Freedom" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 23:37:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08570; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:22:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:22:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119213005.00a7fc70@pop.metrocast.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:15:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: more swedish music Resent-Message-ID: <4oEdLD.A.QwB.kPkS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >That DOES sound pretty cool. In principle it's along the lines of Harvey >Reid's Third Hand capo, with which you can rotate the sleeve pieces >individually to capo only those strings you want to. You can also use two >of them on the same neck for more combinations. > >-t- (Looking a website.) Hey, that's pretty cool! How quickly can one set which strings are capoed? Also, has anybody tried TWO on the same neck? (I'll probably ask them the same questions when I call them next week with an order.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 00:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14140; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:01:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:01:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c1a16d$50069380$62d81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:45:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A16D.4E108FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A16D.4E108FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI i am after a device that will allow me to synchronise all the device = i have in my setup. i use several rackmount fx :eventide, quadreverb and = soon [hopefully] a fireworx, as all of these respond to midi clock i = was wondering if there was a device that would allow me to tap in a = tempo and convert it to midi clock so that all the delay times, = modulation times etc etc would be synchronised to a global tempo. does anyone know of such a device ?? 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A16D.4E108FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 00:16:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14106; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:00:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:00:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c1a16e$33e05960$ce2fd9c8@r5f3d1> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Subject: Two Kyser Capos Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:50:33 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C1A15D.3A95A280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-o7t7C.A.w8C.C1kS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C1A15D.3A95A280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, has anybody tried TWO on the same neck? yes! tune DADGAD and using two Kysers , put one at fret 10 pressing = 6,5,4 and 4th string and the other at fret 5 pressing strings 1 and 2 = and start ... unlimited thing will happen ... : )=20 julio ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C1A15D.3A95A280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Also, has anybody tried TWO on the same neck?
     
    yes! tune DADGAD and using two Kysers , = put one at=20 fret 10 pressing 6,5,4 and 4th string  and the other at fret 5 = pressing strings  1 and  2  and start ... unlimited = thing=20 will happen ... : )
    julio

    ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C1A15D.3A95A280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 00:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14570; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:05:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:05:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001e01c1a104$aa085b20$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> References: <001e01c1a104$aa085b20$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:01:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Musical Equipment Purchasers Anonymous Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Is there an organization like Alcoholics Anonymous for people >addicted to purchasing music equipment? I have not been folowing the list the last weeks, but opened this one and the picture of the Anonymous Loopers came up... some guys with a spiral look confessing that they cannot sleep without at least three unsynced loops spining arround their heads... >I'm kidding but when I looked at the e-mails coming from the online >vendors about "all the new cool stuff from NAMM", I asked myself, >"why do I need anything new"? And don't say, "you can't have enough >loopers". I'm satisfied with one Repeater. Had a couple of >Echoplexes, DL-4, Jamman, Boomerang. Never saw the need for more >than one, though. as you see its all relative. I did it with one EDP the last 8 years ;-) Have a good time! I am off for the upgrade manual... Matthias PS: after de AirFX any one dimension one sound wahwah pedal is obsolete! It talks so many languages... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 00:31:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15926; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:16:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:16:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c1a170$caf44620$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Hammerfall interface Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:10:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4siCxB.A.mmD.WClS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 1224 has better converters than the 2408- I personally own the 2408 and like it a lot- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Hammerfall interface > This is a little off-topic, but I want to upgrade the sound quality of my > home studio -- I've got a G4 with Digital Performer and an audiomedia III > card (and mackie mixer). Have been considering a MOTU interface such as > the 2408 or 1224; keeping the audiomedia card and getting stand alone a/d > d/a converters (apogee or mytek); a digidesign 001; or the hammerfall > interface. > Anyone have any advice? Or if this is too offtopic, know where I could get > some good info? > Thanks. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 04:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05234; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:41:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:41:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:32:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: Hammerfall interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I do like my 828, except for the fact that it won't monitor all it's inputs without DP3. The nice thing about it is you can stick it in an iBook and you've got an amazing portable recording studio. Mark >i have the digi001 and it really does sound good. ( i could tell you a >suprising story about a really famous, well respected engineer that i've >worked with that swears that the digi001 blows the protools tdm system out >of the water sonically...)the converters are ok, not exceptional, but >certainly as good as entry level apogees. i also use the motu 828 (firewire) >drive. it sounds about as good, but is a lot more protable and, if you are >already using MOTU software, it probably makes sense. in my opinion, either >is going to be a step up from the Auido media card. > > >monk > > > >on 1/19/02 5:26 PM, Steve Sandberg at stevesandberg@earthlink.net wrote: > >> This is a little off-topic, but I want to upgrade the sound quality of my >> home studio -- I've got a G4 with Digital Performer and an audiomedia III >> card (and mackie mixer). Have been considering a MOTU interface such as >> the 2408 or 1224; keeping the audiomedia card and getting stand alone a/d >> d/a converters (apogee or mytek); a digidesign 001; or the hammerfall >> interface. >> Anyone have any advice? Or if this is too offtopic, know where I could get > > some good info? > > Thanks. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 05:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08669; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:25:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:25:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.17e695eb.297bf2a0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:14:56 EST Subject: Re: Musical Equipment Purchasers Anonymous To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <2QE1WD.A.rAC.OjpS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is there an organization like Alcoholics Anonymous for people addicted = > to purchasing music equipment? Yes, and you'll find yourself very welcome here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 09:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21368; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:55:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:55:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120083509.00a84080@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:41:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: more swedish music In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119213005.00a7fc70@pop.metrocast.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:15 PM 1/19/02 -0500, just john wrote: >Hey, that's [] pretty cool! How quickly can >one set which strings are capoed? I don't have one (yet), but it appears you just remove the capo (typical elastic type) and rotate the sleeve pieces. (The hole is off-center.) >Also, has anybody tried TWO on the same neck? I mispoke when I said 'two'; that should actually be 'more than one'! You can use as many as will fit! -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 10:32:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27604; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:18:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:18:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:10:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Gigspam-Steve Sandberg & Robert Dick in NYC From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201041608.LAA01118@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just want to let you know I'll be playing this coming Friday (January 25) with Robert Dick, the multiphonic flutist. We'll be doing one set at 7 PM at Faust Harrison Pianos, 205 W 58 Street. Please say hello if you come! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 11:01:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29417; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:47:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:47:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:37:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Hammerfall interface/upgrading audio From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201200531.AAA17659@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3094367867_168898_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3094367867_168898_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i also use the motu 828 (firewire) drive. it sounds about as good, Is the 828 reliable? And does anyone know if the 828 sounds the same as the 2408 and/or the MOTU 1224? --MS_Mac_OE_3094367867_168898_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Hammerfall interface/upgrading audio
    i also use the motu 828 (firewire)
    drive. it sounds about as good,

    Is the 828 reliable?  
    And does anyone know if the 828 sounds the same as the 2408 and/or the MOTU= 1224?
     --MS_Mac_OE_3094367867_168898_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 11:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01144; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:26:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:26:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:16:36 -0500 Subject: Re: more swedish music From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for whatever it's worth... the system that ale uses is pretty different from the third hand capo. it has nothing to go around the neck the strings are stopped by little set-screw type things that are inserted at any point along the neck. you can capo one string at the second fret and the next at the 8th fret. on 1/19/02 11:15 PM, just john at just-john@just-john.com wrote: > >> That DOES sound pretty cool. In principle it's along the lines of Harvey >> Reid's Third Hand capo, with which you can rotate the sleeve pieces >> individually to capo only those strings you want to. You can also use two >> of them on the same neck for more combinations. >> >> >> -t- > > (Looking a website.) > > Hey, that's pretty cool! How quickly can one set which strings are capoed? > Also, has anybody tried TWO on the same neck? > > (I'll probably ask them the same questions when I call them next week with > an order.) > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 12:42:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06234; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:27:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:27:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120115922.00a82b20@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:14:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: more swedish music In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I didn't say it was a similar _system_ (as in mechanics or implementation), I said it resembled it in principle. With multiple Third Hands, you can capo selected strings at various frets, and you can still fret above or below the capo(s). Ale's setup sounds very cool. I wonder if the holes are threaded or if the pieces are held in place by the string... I looked around on the net for some info on it; didn't find any but got to hear some sound samples. Great stuff! -t- At 11:16 AM 1/20/02 -0500, you wrote: >for whatever it's worth... the system that ale uses is pretty different from >the third hand capo. it has nothing to go around the neck the strings are >stopped by little set-screw type things that are inserted at any point along >the neck. you can capo one string at the second fret and the next at the 8th >fret. > >on 1/19/02 11:15 PM, just john at just-john@just-john.com wrote: > > > > >> That DOES sound pretty cool. In principle it's along the lines of Harvey > >> Reid's Third Hand capo, with which you can rotate the sleeve pieces > >> individually to capo only those strings you want to. You can also use two > >> of them on the same neck for more combinations. > >> > >> > >> -t- > > > > (Looking a website.) > > > > Hey, that's pretty cool! How quickly can one set which strings are capoed? > > Also, has anybody tried TWO on the same neck? > > > > (I'll probably ask them the same questions when I call them next week with > > an order.) > > --- > > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 12:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06729; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <57.536b5aa.297c579b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:25:47 EST Subject: thirdhandcapo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_57.536b5aa.297c579b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_57.536b5aa.297c579b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/19/02 9:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, tnelson@metrocast.net writes: > http://www.thirdhandcapo.com thanks tim.....mine feel apart along time ago.....great little device.....:)m --part1_57.536b5aa.297c579b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/19/02 9:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, tnelson@metrocast.net writes:


    http://www.thirdhandcapo.com


    thanks tim.....mine feel apart along time ago.....great little device.....:)m     --part1_57.536b5aa.297c579b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 13:04:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07624; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:50:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:50:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120123323.00a7f7a0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:36:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: pinpoint capo In-Reply-To: <00b501c1a16e$33e05960$ce2fd9c8@r5f3d1> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I found it! Here's the setup monk was describing as used by Ale Moller. -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 13:18:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09558; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:04:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:04:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:55:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: more swedish music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is pretty cool, I've had one for a while. Cheap and fun. I always wished they made a dual cam one, but I bet two would be a LOT more effective than one. I does take some fiddling to get it correctly positioned, so don't expect to do this in an instant. Mark Sottilaro > >Hey, that's pretty cool! How quickly can one set which strings are capoed? >Also, has anybody tried TWO on the same neck? > >(I'll probably ask them the same questions when I call them next week with >an order.) >--- >* just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 13:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10067; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:12:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:12:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <103.f5f022a.297c6054@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:03:00 EST Subject: Re: Musical Equipment Purchasers Anonymous To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_103.f5f022a.297c6054_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_103.f5f022a.297c6054_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a proud member of the M.E.P.A. I see a T-shirt coming out and being available at LOOPER'S delight? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_103.f5f022a.297c6054_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a proud member of the M.E.P.A.

    I see a T-shirt coming out and being available at LOOPER'S delight?

    Thanks,
    Gregory Bruce Campbell
    www.mp3.com/freakwincing
    www.kickstartchubby.com
    Please, NO forwards...     --part1_103.f5f022a.297c6054_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 13:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10570; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:21:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001601c1a16d$50069380$62d81f3e@snowmonster> References: <001601c1a16d$50069380$62d81f3e@snowmonster> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:12:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1200572142==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1200572142==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A while ago we went through this thread, and someone pointed out an English company, but the units were way too expensive. (I think in the $400 dollar range or something) You can find it by searching the LD archives. At that time I asked a friend of mine if he could build me one, and (he's nuts) he did end up making me something that responded to a pulsing LED, which units like the Repeater and my Roland MC-307 both have. Why didn't he just do it via MIDI? Too easy for him, and he's obsessed with LEDs at the moment. Anyway, when he finally got it to me, it was not sensitive enough to pick up the LEDs I have. I sent it back to him for tweakage, and that was that. I guess you get what you pay for. Another problem was that he was using fibre optics to get the light from the LED to the sensor, and it ended up being too fragile of an affair to have any road use. John Wagner mentioned that he was thinking of making a MIDI to Tap converter, but I never heard if he did, or was sucessful. John? I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it were so. Mark >HI > i am after a device that will allow me to synchronise all the >device i have in my setup. i use several rackmount fx :eventide, >quadreverb and soon [hopefully] a fireworx, as all of these respond >to midi clock i was wondering if there was a device that would allow >me to tap in a tempo and convert it to midi clock so that all the >delay times, modulation times etc etc would be synchronised to a >global tempo. > >does anyone know of such a device ?? > > >David > >one less than none >http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk --============_-1200572142==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: tap tempo to midi clock ???????
    A while ago we went through this thread, and someone pointed out an English company, but the units were way too expensive.  (I think in the $400 dollar range or something)  You can find it by searching the LD archives.

    At that time I asked a friend of mine if he could build me one, and (he's nuts) he did end up making me something that responded to a pulsing LED, which units like the Repeater and my Roland MC-307 both have.  Why didn't he just do it via MIDI?  Too easy for him, and he's obsessed with LEDs at the moment.  Anyway, when he finally got it to me, it was not sensitive enough to pick up the LEDs I have.  I sent it back to him for tweakage, and that was that.  I guess you get what you pay for.  Another problem was that he was using fibre optics to get the light from the LED to the sensor, and it ended up being too fragile of an affair to have any road use.

    John Wagner mentioned that he was thinking of making a MIDI to Tap converter, but I never heard if he did, or was sucessful.  John?  I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it were so.

    Mark

    HI
        i am after a device that will allow me to synchronise all the device i have in my setup. i use several rackmount fx :eventide, quadreverb and soon [hopefully] a  fireworx, as all of these respond to midi clock i was wondering if there was a device that would allow me to tap in a tempo and convert it to midi clock so that all the delay times, modulation times etc etc would be synchronised to a global tempo.
     
    does anyone know of such a device ??
     
     
    David
     
    one less than none
    http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk

    --============_-1200572142==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 13:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10741; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:24:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:24:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3c.17e695eb.297bf2a0@aol.com> References: <3c.17e695eb.297bf2a0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:15:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: Musical Equipment Purchasers Anonymous Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Is there an organization like Alcoholics Anonymous for people addicted = > > to purchasing music equipment? > >Yes, and you'll find yourself very welcome here. No, we're way more on the enabler side. WAY MORE. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 14:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13053; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:51:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:51:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.74.55] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re:"Shared Discoveries" Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:43:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2002 18:43:00.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[4927F200:01C1A1E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, I'd like to chime in on this topic; Someone else mentioned "Volition" by Krakatau, check out "Matinale" by Krakatau. "Zulutime" by Page Hamilton & Caspar Brotzmann "Koksofen" by Caspar Brotzmann Massaker "Dreams" by the Tapiola Choir(on the Ondine Label) "Verbum" by the Tapiola Chamber Choir (on the Ondine Label) Cluster Ensemble (Ondine catalog# ODE 808-2) the albums by Blind Idiot God(especially "Cyclotron") Buckethead's stuff("Death Cube K" is kinda creepy ambient stuff) Just some suggestions! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 14:06:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13071; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:52:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:52:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c1a1e1$59e6dc60$53bf30d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <001601c1a16d$50069380$62d81f3e@snowmonster> Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:36:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1A1E1.58A7F3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1A1E1.58A7F3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: tap tempo to midi clock ???????yeah john did ya do it ???? can anyone remeber the name of the english company ????? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marklar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? A while ago we went through this thread, and someone pointed out an = English company, but the units were way too expensive. (I think in the = $400 dollar range or something) You can find it by searching the LD = archives. At that time I asked a friend of mine if he could build me one, and = (he's nuts) he did end up making me something that responded to a = pulsing LED, which units like the Repeater and my Roland MC-307 both = have. Why didn't he just do it via MIDI? Too easy for him, and he's = obsessed with LEDs at the moment. Anyway, when he finally got it to me, = it was not sensitive enough to pick up the LEDs I have. I sent it back = to him for tweakage, and that was that. I guess you get what you pay = for. Another problem was that he was using fibre optics to get the = light from the LED to the sensor, and it ended up being too fragile of = an affair to have any road use. John Wagner mentioned that he was thinking of making a MIDI to Tap = converter, but I never heard if he did, or was sucessful. John? I'd = buy one in a heartbeat if it were so. Mark HI i am after a device that will allow me to synchronise all the = device i have in my setup. i use several rackmount fx :eventide, = quadreverb and soon [hopefully] a fireworx, as all of these respond to = midi clock i was wondering if there was a device that would allow me to = tap in a tempo and convert it to midi clock so that all the delay times, = modulation times etc etc would be synchronised to a global tempo. does anyone know of such a device ?? David one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1A1E1.58A7F3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: tap tempo to midi clock ???????
    yeah john did ya do it=20 ????
     
    can anyone remeber the = name of the=20 english company ?????
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Marklar=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 = 6:12=20 PM
    Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi = clock=20 ???????

    A while ago we went through this thread, and someone pointed out = an=20 English company, but the units were way too expensive.  (I think = in the=20 $400 dollar range or something)  You can find it by searching the = LD=20 archives.

    At that time I asked a friend of mine if he could build me one, = and (he's=20 nuts) he did end up making me something that responded to a pulsing = LED, which=20 units like the Repeater and my Roland MC-307 both have.  Why = didn't he=20 just do it via MIDI?  Too easy for him, and he's obsessed with = LEDs at=20 the moment.  Anyway, when he finally got it to me, it was not = sensitive=20 enough to pick up the LEDs I have.  I sent it back to him for = tweakage,=20 and that was that.  I guess you get what you pay for.  = Another=20 problem was that he was using fibre optics to get the light from the = LED to=20 the sensor, and it ended up being too fragile of an affair to have any = road=20 use.

    John Wagner mentioned that he was thinking of making a MIDI to = Tap=20 converter, but I never heard if he did, or was sucessful.  = John? =20 I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it were so.

    Mark

    HI
        i am = after a=20 device that will allow me to synchronise all the device i have in my = setup.=20 i use several rackmount fx :eventide, quadreverb and soon = [hopefully] a=20  fireworx, as all of these respond to midi clock i was = wondering if=20 there was a device that would allow me to tap in a tempo and convert = it to=20 midi clock so that all the delay times, modulation times etc etc = would be=20 synchronised to a global tempo.
     
    does anyone know of = such a device=20 ??
     
     
    David
     
    one less than=20 none
    http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk

    ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1A1E1.58A7F3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 15:46:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21528; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:31:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:31:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:22:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2002 20:22:24.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BF5B330:01C1A1F0] Resent-Message-ID: <2UR-UC.A.MGF.jcyS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the story on the project Mark was refering to: I was working on a midi to tap tempo converter specifically for the vortex (for Mark) mainly so I could get some hardware going which works toward my end goal. I basically did everything for the midi->tap box except figure out how to electrically interface the vortex tap tempo jack. Then my momentum stalled and I got sidetracked by some other projects (compounded by the fact that I don't actually own a vortex for testing). My overall vision for the project is to make a little box about the size of a metronome which has a midi-in and midi-out jack. This box would basically serve either as a master midi-clock "server" or a slave (a small selector switch would select the mode). The master sets the tempo via tap-tempo and broadcasts a steady midi clock signal. The slaves just listen for midi clock and have some sort of display capability (such as a bright strobe, or a series of LEDs that "wag" back and forth). I have found myself wanting this over and over during rehearsals/shows where we don't want to be wearing cans listening to a click track. They'd be battery powered and chainable, so you have an instant visual click track for the whole band. What do you all think? Jon _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 15:50:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21861; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:35:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:35:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c1a1f2$3029fc20$d150e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "LD mailing list" References: <001601c1a16d$50069380$62d81f3e@snowmonster> Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:36:50 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't tried this but - could one not use an EDP in delay mode to tap the tempo and send out the MIDI clock? If so - you'd also get a free delay/looper! Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE ----- Original Message ----- From: one less than none To: LD mailing list Sent: Saturday, 19 January, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? HI i am after a device that will allow me to synchronise all the device i have in my setup. i use several rackmount fx :eventide, quadreverb and soon [hopefully] a fireworx, as all of these respond to midi clock i was wondering if there was a device that would allow me to tap in a tempo and convert it to midi clock so that all the delay times, modulation times etc etc would be synchronised to a global tempo. does anyone know of such a device ?? David one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 16:38:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25917; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:23:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:23:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:14:04 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2VnfFC.A.tMG.-MzS8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Frostwave makes a box that'll do MIDI to CV: http://www.frostwave.com/quadmiditocvplus/index.html It runs about US$360. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 17:03:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27394; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:48:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:48:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.165.208.241] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Shared discoveries Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:38:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2002 21:38:02.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCC81650:01C1A1FA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This brings me to my question: what other obscure artists are listmembers >listening to who might be of interest to loopers? First of all, anybody who's a fan of Tipsy should check out the "Organ Transplant" CD's by Stock, Hausen, and Walkman. I personally like Volume 1 a bit better. It's a very similar idea, except SHW's tracks don't get quite as repetitive as Tipsy's. I also love "Descargas" by Los Samplers (aka Atom Heart). It's a CD of cha-cha, samba and mambo music that's chopped up, severely tweaked through granular synthesis and bit rate reduction, then rearranged to create new cha-cha, salsa, and mambo music. Other great related band projects by Atom Heart include Midisport, Geez 'N' Gosh, and Senior Coconut (best known for salsa covers of Kraftwerk songs). Alog - "Red Shift Swing" Most people who've heard this describe it as 'Oval meets Tortoise'. There's a lot more to it, though. This disc is full of warm drones and skips, source recordings, and things that could best be described as 'musical dissolves'. Dead Voices On Air - "Shap" A fantastic disc of organic, textural loops of found objects, vocals, and simple string/percussion instruments. This is one of those guys who's live setup would simply be a few mic's run into loopers, and a pile of playable junk aroud him. It's about 5 years old now, but any looping people who haven't heard it yet should give it a listen. Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 18:57:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04753; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:43:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:43:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120083509.00a84080@pop.metrocast.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020119213005.00a7fc70@pop.metrocast.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020119153842.00a7f770@pop.metrocast.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:36:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: more swedish music Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 11:15 PM 1/19/02 -0500, just john wrote: >>Hey, that's [] pretty cool! How quickly can >>one set which strings are capoed? > >I don't have one (yet), but it appears you just remove the capo (typical >elastic type) and rotate the sleeve pieces. (The hole is off-center.) > Ah. Somewhat slower than I'd hoped -- I was thinking a beat or two so that one could kinda enforce chord changes -- but then, I hadn't even contemplated such a silly maneuver until I'd seen a description of the product. But I'll wait to hear it first hand. Hey, imagine the headaches trying to talk about overhearing somebody mentioning somebody else looking for a previously-owned one of these. "I have it third-hand that he's looking for a second-hand Thirdhand, but on the other hand ...." --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 19:16:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07005; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:01:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:01:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:43:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002201c1a1f2$3029fc20$d150e540@sunspot> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many drum machines will do this: I tap a tempo on my ER-1 or Zoom drum machines and as long as the midi chain is correctly connected, midi clock is transmitted to each downstream device. By correctly connected, I mean that each device is accessing the midi clock sent by the master. On my setup that is: drum machine to EDP IN EDP midi through to RPTR in RPTR midi through to MOFX, etc, etc I think if the Repeater is the clock master it will do the same, not sure about EDP Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott McGregor Moore [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to] > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:37 PM > To: LD mailing list > Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? > > > I haven't tried this but - could one not use an EDP in delay mode > to tap the tempo and send out the MIDI clock? > If so - you'd also get a free delay/looper! > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: one less than none > To: LD mailing list > Sent: Saturday, 19 January, 2002 11:45 PM > Subject: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? > > > HI > i am after a device that will allow me to synchronise all the > device i have in my setup. i use > several rackmount fx :eventide, quadreverb and soon [hopefully] a > fireworx, as all of these respond > to midi clock i was wondering if there was a device that would > allow me to tap in a tempo and > convert it to midi clock so that all the delay times, modulation > times etc etc would be synchronised > to a global tempo. > > does anyone know of such a device ?? > > > David > > one less than none > http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 20:21:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12482; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:06:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:06:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:58:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but that still does not solve the problem of getting tap FROM the the Drum Machine to a non midi device like the Vortex. Mark >Many drum machines will do this: I tap a tempo on my ER-1 or Zoom drum >machines and as long as the midi chain is correctly connected, midi clock is >transmitted to each downstream device. By correctly connected, I mean that >each device is accessing the midi clock sent by the master. On my setup that >is: > >drum machine to EDP IN >EDP midi through to RPTR in >RPTR midi through to MOFX, etc, etc > >I think if the Repeater is the clock master it will do the same, not sure >about EDP > > > >Neil Goldstein >Portland, Oregon > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott McGregor Moore [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to] >> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:37 PM >> To: LD mailing list >> Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? >> >> >> I haven't tried this but - could one not use an EDP in delay mode >> to tap the tempo and send out the MIDI clock? >> If so - you'd also get a free delay/looper! >> >> Cheers, >> Scott M2 >> >> http://www.dreamSTATE.to >> ambientelectronicsoundscapes >> http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: one less than none >> To: LD mailing list >> Sent: Saturday, 19 January, 2002 11:45 PM >> Subject: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? >> >> >> HI >> i am after a device that will allow me to synchronise all the >> device i have in my setup. i use >> several rackmount fx :eventide, quadreverb and soon [hopefully] a >> fireworx, as all of these respond >> to midi clock i was wondering if there was a device that would >> allow me to tap in a tempo and >> convert it to midi clock so that all the delay times, modulation >> times etc etc would be synchronised >> to a global tempo. >> >> does anyone know of such a device ?? > > > > > > David > > > > one less than none > > http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 21:16:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15578; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:57:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:57:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c1a215$7f5b7e40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:49:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In true loop fashion, this particular piece of the equation comes back to a discussion from long ago. Mathias detailed the construction of a cord that can run from an EDP "BeatSync" jack, into the tap temp jack of a Vortex, which will cause the Vortex to slave it's clock to the EDP. So, in Neil's setup, he could also slave the Vortex to the clock of the drum machine (via the EDP). Doug P.S. - Search the archives for Vortex;cable to find the details on construction. I did it, and I'm a neophyte on electronics construction. The effect is amazing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marklar" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? > but that still does not solve the problem of getting tap FROM the the > Drum Machine to a non midi device like the Vortex. > > Mark > > >Many drum machines will do this: I tap a tempo on my ER-1 or Zoom drum > >machines and as long as the midi chain is correctly connected, midi clock is > >transmitted to each downstream device. By correctly connected, I mean that > >each device is accessing the midi clock sent by the master. On my setup that > >is: > > > >drum machine to EDP IN > >EDP midi through to RPTR in > >RPTR midi through to MOFX, etc, etc > > > >I think if the Repeater is the clock master it will do the same, not sure > >about EDP > > > > > > > >Neil Goldstein > >Portland, Oregon > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Scott McGregor Moore [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to] > >> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:37 PM > >> To: LD mailing list > >> Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? > >> > >> > >> I haven't tried this but - could one not use an EDP in delay mode > >> to tap the tempo and send out the MIDI clock? > >> If so - you'd also get a free delay/looper! > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Scott M2 > >> > >> http://www.dreamSTATE.to > >> ambientelectronicsoundscapes > >> http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: one less than none > >> To: LD mailing list > >> Sent: Saturday, 19 January, 2002 11:45 PM > >> Subject: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? > >> > >> > >> HI > >> i am after a device that will allow me to synchronise all the > >> device i have in my setup. i use > >> several rackmount fx :eventide, quadreverb and soon [hopefully] a > >> fireworx, as all of these respond > >> to midi clock i was wondering if there was a device that would > >> allow me to tap in a tempo and > >> convert it to midi clock so that all the delay times, modulation > >> times etc etc would be synchronised > >> to a global tempo. > >> > >> does anyone know of such a device ?? > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > one less than none > > > http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 22:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22264; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:06:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:06:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <29.214710b8.297cdd8d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:57:17 EST Subject: OT : Saqqara Dogs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29.214710b8.297cdd8d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_29.214710b8.297cdd8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the way-off topic, but I was looking through some old vinyl and was wondering whatever became of the band Saqqara Dogs? They put out one album (I believe) on the Pathfinder label back in '87. Any info people? (-how 'bout you DT? I noticed in the credits that your sometime associate Carter Burwell is credited with 'overtone singing' on one tune). Thanks for humoring me people. (-they really were a cool band)! Todd --part1_29.214710b8.297cdd8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the way-off topic, but I was looking through some old vinyl and was wondering whatever became of the band Saqqara Dogs?  They put out one album (I believe) on the Pathfinder label back in '87.

    Any info people?  (-how 'bout you DT?  I noticed in the credits  that your sometime associate Carter Burwell is credited with 'overtone singing' on one tune).

    Thanks for humoring me people.  (-they really were a cool band)!  Todd     --part1_29.214710b8.297cdd8d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 22:31:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22815; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:16:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:16:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:09:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000d01c1a215$7f5b7e40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0-0YND.A.4dF.2Y4S8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there-- As inspired by Todd Reynolds' use of Max to control his Repeater (so he says), I have created a StudioWare Panel in Cakewalk 9 to control the front panel (and a little more) of the EDP--any interested parties pmail me and I will send it out for your modification (since everybody's setup is different, I assume). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 22:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23021; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:19:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:19:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <142.82761dd.297ce0fe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:11:58 EST Subject: Re: OT : Saqqara Dogs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_142.82761dd.297ce0fe_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_142.82761dd.297ce0fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've got this record......they did only one album as far as i know. i agree cool band. brian electric bird noise something about vampires and sluts planet cock In a message dated 1/20/02 9:58:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, THusken@aol.com writes: > Sorry for the way-off topic, but I was looking through some old vinyl and > was wondering whatever became of the band Saqqara Dogs? They put out one > album (I believe) on the Pathfinder label back in '87. > > Any info people? (-how 'bout you DT? I noticed in the credits that your > sometime associate Carter Burwell is credited with 'overtone singing' on > one tune). > > Thanks for humoring me people. (-they really were a cool band)! Todd --part1_142.82761dd.297ce0fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've got this record......they did only one album as far as i know.
    i agree cool band.
    brian
    electric bird noise
    something about vampires and sluts
    planet cock


    In a message dated 1/20/02 9:58:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, THusken@aol.com writes:


    Sorry for the way-off topic, but I was looking through some old vinyl and was wondering whatever became of the band Saqqara Dogs?  They put out one album (I believe) on the Pathfinder label back in '87.

    Any info people?  (-how 'bout you DT?  I noticed in the credits  that your sometime associate Carter Burwell is credited with 'overtone singing' on one tune).

    Thanks for humoring me people.  (-they really were a cool band)!  Todd


    --part1_142.82761dd.297ce0fe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 22:34:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23061; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:20:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:20:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <28.20d18eda.297ce0c3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:10:59 EST Subject: OT Janet Feder article in recent Acoustic Guitar Player Magazine To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very Interesting guitar player. She experiments with prepared guitar. I have both cds. Her newest is "Speak Puppet." James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 00:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00834; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:31:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:31:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4BA528.4FF606F9@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:20:41 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : Saqqara Dogs References: <142.82761dd.297ce0fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually they recorded one EP and one album that I know of (Thirst is the album title I think). There was also at least one free 7" that was given away with one magazine or other in the later 80's. I've heard they were really amazing live too. Bond Berglund has done some solo things (including my first exposure to live single guitar looping playing 'song line' things). He opened for Cluster in San Francisco a few years back but I haven't heard anything since. Kevin ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: > i've got this record......they did only one album as far as i know. > i agree cool band. > brian > electric bird noise > something about vampires and sluts > planet cock > > > In a message dated 1/20/02 9:58:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > THusken@aol.com writes: > > > >> Sorry for the way-off topic, but I was looking through some old >> vinyl and was wondering whatever became of the band Saqqara Dogs? >> They put out one album (I believe) on the Pathfinder label back in >> '87. >> >> Any info people? (-how 'bout you DT? I noticed in the credits >> that your sometime associate Carter Burwell is credited with >> 'overtone singing' on one tune). >> >> Thanks for humoring me people. (-they really were a cool band)! >> Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 00:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00963; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:32:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:21:47 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Vortex revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Seems like every so often the discussion comes up as to whether or not the Vortex is a very noisy unit (I know I've been in the "mine is very noisy" camp before.) Anyway, I recently took my studio apart and re-wired it back together in an attempt so remove some of the hiss the vortex was contributing to the effects loop. I put the vortex into its own send/return so that I could at least control when I added the hiss of the vortex, but before I did this I did a test. Plugging straight in to the vortex and listening with headphones from the output on the back of the unit, the vortex was very very clean, almost no hiss whatsoever. After I got the mixer all wired back up I plugged in through that route and what I discovered was that there was a fair amount of hiss in the signal again. After some messing around I discovered the root of the problem I think. The vortex seems to have a sort of feedback going on that takes any incoming noise (like hum from a pickup or whatnot) and it sends it back through the processor and so on until it becomes really audible. I found that when I switched patches, the noise floor would drop down and then slowly the hiss would start building up as the effect was on for a while. So that's my theory, the Vortex is not inherently a noisy box, but perhaps an overly sensitive one and the nature of its effects will amplify pre-existent noise until its slightly bothersome. Do I have a fix for this? Not really, but now I am more relaxed about the hiss since I know its more a remnant of the guitar* I use rather than the Vortex itself. Maybe every Vortex user already knew this, but I must have missed it in the various go rounds on the topic. Thanks for letting me ramble Kevin *A 65 Fender Mustang that has been known to pick up radio signals and various other sonic anomalies on occasion. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 01:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05829; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:27:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:27:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000d01c1a215$7f5b7e40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <000d01c1a215$7f5b7e40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:19:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, damn. What do you do if you've got a Repeater? D'OH! I'm really surprised that someone hasn't made an inexpensive box for this issue. though, I have no idea how to so what the hell am I taking about? Mark >In true loop fashion, this particular piece of the equation comes back to a >discussion from long ago. Mathias detailed the construction of a cord that >can run from an EDP "BeatSync" jack, into the tap temp jack of a Vortex, >which will cause the Vortex to slave it's clock to the EDP. > >So, in Neil's setup, he could also slave the Vortex to the clock of the drum >machine (via the EDP). > >Doug > >P.S. - Search the archives for Vortex;cable to find the details on >construction. I did it, and I'm a neophyte on electronics construction. >The effect is amazing. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marklar" >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 7:58 PM >Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? > > >> but that still does not solve the problem of getting tap FROM the the >> Drum Machine to a non midi device like the Vortex. >> >> Mark >> >> >Many drum machines will do this: I tap a tempo on my ER-1 or Zoom drum >> >machines and as long as the midi chain is correctly connected, midi clock >is >> >transmitted to each downstream device. By correctly connected, I mean >that >> >each device is accessing the midi clock sent by the master. On my setup >that >> >is: >> > >> >drum machine to EDP IN >> >EDP midi through to RPTR in >> >RPTR midi through to MOFX, etc, etc >> > >> >I think if the Repeater is the clock master it will do the same, not sure >> >about EDP >> > >> > >> > >> >Neil Goldstein >> >Portland, Oregon >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Scott McGregor Moore [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to] >> >> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:37 PM >> >> To: LD mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? >> >> >> >> >> >> I haven't tried this but - could one not use an EDP in delay mode >> >> to tap the tempo and send out the MIDI clock? >> >> If so - you'd also get a free delay/looper! >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Scott M2 >> >> >> >> http://www.dreamSTATE.to >> >> ambientelectronicsoundscapes >> >> http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: one less than none >> >> To: LD mailing list >> >> Sent: Saturday, 19 January, 2002 11:45 PM >> >> Subject: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? >> >> >> >> >> >> HI >> >> i am after a device that will allow me to synchronise all the >> >> device i have in my setup. i use >> >> several rackmount fx :eventide, quadreverb and soon [hopefully] a > > >> fireworx, as all of these respond > > >> to midi clock i was wondering if there was a device that would > > >> allow me to tap in a tempo and > > >> convert it to midi clock so that all the delay times, modulation >> >> times etc etc would be synchronised >> >> to a global tempo. >> >> >> >> does anyone know of such a device ?? >> > > >> > > >> > > David >> > > >> > > one less than none >> > > http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk >> > > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 01:59:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06802; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:45:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:45:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:30:41 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Echoplex reborn at NAMM In-reply-to: <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1200527554==_ma============" References: <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1200527554==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Today I met Mike Battle, the inventor of the original EchoPlex, in Hall D at the NAMM show. He has just renewed his patent and has reissued the original design under the name "TubePlex." The unit is manufactured and distributed by UniTec Products (800) 782-3296 with a list price of about $800. From the brochure: "TubePlex" is a mechanical analog echo device utilizing tape reproduction, but Mike has improved his original design. The new "TubePlex" has no belt, no fly wheel, no heavy motor or under carriage, PLUS Noise reduction circuitry and Simul Stereo. "TubePlex" can reproduce the warm, unique echo sound of the 60's. It sounded great to me! It may be pricey compared to today's multi-effects devices, but for those who want to have the "real thing" this reissue is an event akin to Bob Moog's reissuing of the Minimoog. It was a kick to meet Mike, too. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1200527554==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Echoplex reborn at NAMM
    Today I met Mike Battle, the inventor of the original EchoPlex, in Hall D at the NAMM show. He has just renewed his patent and has reissued the original design under the name "TubePlex." The unit is manufactured and distributed by UniTec Products (800) 782-3296 with a list price of about $800.

    From the brochure:

    "TubePlex" is a mechanical analog echo device utilizing tape reproduction, but Mike has improved his original design. The new "TubePlex" has no belt, no fly wheel, no heavy motor or under carriage, PLUS Noise reduction circuitry and Simul Stereo. "TubePlex" can reproduce the warm, unique echo sound of the 60's.

    It sounded great to me! It may be pricey compared to today's multi-effects devices, but for those who want to have the "real thing" this reissue is an event akin to Bob Moog's reissuing of the Minimoog.

    It was a kick to meet Mike, too.
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    --============_-1200527554==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 02:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09013; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:04:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:04:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:51:00 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Dave Smith's new synth at NAMM In-reply-to: <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While checking out Roger Linn's AdrenaLinn combination drum machine and guitar processor I happened to notice a small, similar-looking box sitting discretely in a back corner of the booth. This turned out to be a new monophonic synthesizer designed by Dave Smith (head of Sequential Circuits and designer of many legendary synthesizers). The instrument uses a combination of real analog synthesis and digital synthesis. It also has a 16-step pattern sequencer. It's a screamer. Dave isn't finished with it yet, but he expects it to sell in the $400 range. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 03:57:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15038; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:42:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:42:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020120232209.021f5758@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:23:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Dave Smith's new synth at NAMM In-Reply-To: References: <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What did you think of the AdrenaLinn? At 10:51 PM 1/20/2002, Richard Zvonar wrote: >While checking out Roger Linn's AdrenaLinn combination drum machine and >guitar processor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 04:45:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18529; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:30:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:30:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LMikeAndre@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:24:30 EST Subject: Saqarra Dogs! To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saqarra Dogs! >From NYC and sounded like a droney Goth thang. Still in occasional rotation on my stereo. LP is called 'Thirst' and was inndeed on Pathfinder. Later Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 05:46:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22798; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:31:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:31:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c1a265$f4d3c380$ea62f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201200531.AAA17658@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:25:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, Back from NAMM..........too wasted by 48 hours of non-stop noise and bad convention food to write much but..... It was really, really exciting for me to meet and put names to so many of the faces that are regular contributors here at Loopers Delight.....what a thrill: I feel that we have a really great creative, intelligent, stimulating and above all things, supportive community here at Loopers Delight. We owe so much to our fearless leader Kim (who was there sporting his very hip multi colored kung fu pony tail on a chrome dome haircut.........most stylish haircut at the whole NAMM convention if you ask me..........but none of your did). Kim, you must feel proud of this wonderful and idiosyncratic bunch of creative loonies!!!! Loopers Delight t-shirts abounded and I even took a little bit of time to create fake NAMM badges that said LOOPING ARTIST.....it was rad. Secondly, I saw a software demo that really ups the ante in the pc/mac looping world. It is called LIVE! I watched the damn demo three times I was so excited. In a nutshell, it allows you to run loops (ala ACID) while being able to timestretch and tempo shift in real time, while you rearrange on the fly, record audio from synths via midi, change effects (including rerouting) while recording live audio.............all in REALTIME without any glitches. It is the first piece of software that allows someone to take a laptop to a gig and improvise with loops and realtime playing......very fucking hip!!!! You can dowload a demo at www.ableton.com and, no, I have no endorsement deal with this company (I can't even afford it at the moment ;-). I just was impressed. >From the website, the venerable electronic music guru Craig Anderton had this to say about LIVE!: "Every now and then, a program redefines what music software is all about, like Sound Designer, Acid, or Reason. Live is that kind of program. Its ability to record your performance for later editing successfully bridges the gap between stage and studio." The hip thing is that everything you do is then recorded and you can go back in and fully edit it (as if it were a midi sequencer- which it is not). O.K. I've gushed enough.....check it out.............very cool. Also, I saw another cool program that made me wish I was a Mackie (all except for the price of peripherals.........Apple are you listening) called MELODYNE (www.celemony.com). Another German company (boy the Germans seem to be kicking major bootay in the software world these days), this program allows for manipulation of mono audio files that is almost like midi. To complex to go into in great detail here, but it's ability to transpose audio files over 5 octaves with no apparent artifacts whatsoever and, like LIVE!, the ability to do it on the fly left the avante garde side of my electronica muse drooling. On the American side of things, the people who brought you PEAK and DECK for the Mac have a new $99 program out (don't you love affordable software) that acts as a separate app that you can run which allows you to run several VST plugins at once, changing there patching and then piggy backing it into an existing program like ACID, REASON or whatever. I got a 30 second demo so I hope I'm getting this alright, but it looked very hip for realtime and more sophisticated processing with the ability to repatch that is faster than in the hardware world...........available for both Mac and Windows. O.K., that's it, except to say I bought a dayglo translucent green recorder and a dayglo green pvc clarinet (!) and am in hog heaven!!! My next CD "Translucent Dayglo Green Plastic" which is an entirely live CD of my more abstract and found sound experiments of the last two years (including tracks from the Bass Looping Tour this last summer) is being mixed and sorted through as we speak and I'm hoping for a mid to late spring release date. Also, I've been listening to a preview copy of Loop lister Max Valentino's solo Bass looping CD: Great work Max!!! I love the piece JAM KARET, played with prepared bass! Can't wait to hear the whole thing. Steve Lawson and Andre LeFosse both handed me new CDs as well and I'll let you all know my impressions as soon as I get a chance to set down and give them the well earned attention they deserve. It was such a blast playing with Steve for a couple of dates last week in Santa Cruz and San Jose............it's truly a blessing when someone you feel is a close friend is also a brilliant artist: Steve's ideas on time stretching, out of meter phrasing and using loops to teach yourself how to think this way have really changed my thinking about a lot of things in the looping world this year. All kudos to this brilliant artist.............buy his friggin' CDs!!!! I've blathered enough, yours, Rick Walker (aka.............ah screw it ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 06:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25781; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:30:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:30:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.142] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Vortex revisited Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:55:46 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2002 11:22:49.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[F536D170:01C1A26D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I've also found with the vortex probably due to the algorithms also is: if you set up a loop within the vortex to repeat infinately, after a while the loop will degrade into a different sound all together and no matter what the original source was, it degrades to a similar sound. Handy unit to have in conjunction with a Repeater though. I love it :-D Loop on, Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > Hi all, > > Seems like every so often the discussion comes up as to whether or not > the Vortex is a very noisy unit (I know I've been in the "mine is very > noisy" camp before.) Anyway, I recently took my studio apart and > re-wired it back together in an attempt so remove some of the hiss the > vortex was contributing to the effects loop. I put the vortex into its > own send/return so that I could at least control when I added the hiss > of the vortex, but before I did this I did a test. Plugging straight in > to the vortex and listening with headphones from the output on the back > of the unit, the vortex was very very clean, almost no hiss whatsoever. > After I got the mixer all wired back up I plugged in through that route > and what I discovered was that there was a fair amount of hiss in the > signal again. > > After some messing around I discovered the root of the problem I think. > The vortex seems to have a sort of feedback going on that takes any > incoming noise (like hum from a pickup or whatnot) and it sends it back > through the processor and so on until it becomes really audible. I > found that when I switched patches, the noise floor would drop down and > then slowly the hiss would start building up as the effect was on for a > while. > > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 11:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10742; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:51:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:51:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: midgard.darkcanvas.com: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:43:22 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM In-Reply-To: <007301c1a265$f4d3c380$ea62f93f@dnlsh01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: > Hi gang, > > Back from NAMM..........too wasted by 48 hours of non-stop noise and bad > convention food to write much but..... [snip] > Secondly, I saw a software demo that really ups the ante in the pc/mac > looping world. It is called LIVE! I watched the damn demo three times I > was so excited. > In a nutshell, it allows you to run loops (ala ACID) while being able to > timestretch > and tempo shift in real time, while you rearrange on the fly, record audio > from synths via midi, change effects (including rerouting) while recording > live audio.............all in REALTIME without any glitches. It is the > first piece of software that allows someone to take a laptop to a gig and > improvise with loops and realtime playing......very fucking hip!!!! > > You can dowload a demo at www.ableton.com and, no, I have no > endorsement deal with this company (I can't even afford it at the moment > ;-). I just was impressed. [snip] Here's the link to the release announcement on Harmony Central, with a screenshot. http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2001/Live-10-Ships.html and a second screenshot on the recent announcement they've released it for Mac OS X: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Live-OS-X-Update.html Also, I am interested to get a look at this Native Instruments KONTAKT software sampler when it's available. http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/Native_Instruments/PR/Kontakt.html especially the "integrated loop editor" that is decribed as "Samples can be trimmed and looped within the main sampler window. The built-in graphical loop-editor features seamless looping with a sophisticated autocorrelation algorithm and supports up to eight loops per sample." best, Steve burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 11:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11159; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:58:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:58:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <113.b3a3e18.297d9311@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:51:45 EST Subject: Re: Dave Smith's new synth at NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.b3a3e18.297d9311_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_113.b3a3e18.297d9311_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/02 1:56:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > While checking out Roger Linn's AdrenaLinn combination drum machine > and guitar processor > richard.....what did you think of this item?.....:)m --part1_113.b3a3e18.297d9311_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/02 1:56:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


    While checking out Roger Linn's AdrenaLinn combination drum machine
    and guitar processor


    richard.....what did you think of this item?.....:)m     --part1_113.b3a3e18.297d9311_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 11:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13123; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: NAMM sleepers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:08:16 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/21/2002 11:08:22 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Been following NAMM reports wherever I can find them, and have noticed a few under-reported blips of coolness: http://www.antares-systems.com/products/kantos.html http://www.hartmann-music.com/ both appear to be new directions in synthesis... fwiw...enjoy David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 11:33:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13372; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:18:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:18:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:09:09 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dave Smith's new synth at NAMM In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20020120232209.021f5758@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> <3C4BA56B.589EE4CB@minds-eye.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020120232209.021f5758@pop.mindspring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:23 PM -0800 1/20/02, Sean Echevarria wrote: >What did you think of the AdrenaLinn? I want one. Although it's impossible to really hear how something sounds in a NAMM environment, it did seem to have a good sound quality. The tempo-linked filter effects are great. I don't know how much I'd use the drum box part of it. Roger Linn didn't seem to "get it" that someone would want to use the tempo effects without the drums, but that's not surprising given his history and apparent musical tastes. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 12:28:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17589; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:12:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:12:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <156.7902c76.297da439@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:04:57 EST Subject: Re: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, In a message dated 1/21/02 2:27:12 AM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Also, I saw another cool program that made me wish I was a Mackie (all >except for the price of peripherals.........Apple are you listening) called >MELODYNE (www.celemony.com). Another German company (boy the >Germans seem to be kicking major bootay in the software world these >days), this program allows for manipulation of mono audio files that is >almost like midi. To complex to go into in great detail here, but it's ability >to transpose audio files over 5 octaves with no apparent artifacts >whatsoever and, like LIVE!, the ability to do it on the fly left the avante >garde side of my electronica muse drooling. I sat through this demo twice and was most impressed. It definitely got my "best of show" (I missed the LIVE! demo altogether unfortunately). Otherwise, I didn't see anything particularly mind-boggling this year. I make a habit of traveling every isle of display space. But, given the tenuousness of the economical environment these days, that's not entirely unexpected . . . or maybe I'm a little jaded in my old fartage and wasn't looking as hard as I used to. I met up with a few loopfolk at the EH booth on Friday. Boy! Kim really does have his hair in a mohawk . . . and it really is blue. He and Andre LaFosse, Hans Lindauer, Chris Muir, Me (Ted Killian), and Dr. Bob Sterling (a looping drummer pal of mine) all hung out for about nearly an hour chatting about stuff. It was great to meet up. I wonder who made it on the "official" meeting time on Saturday? Sorry I wasn't there. But I hate crowds enough that I almost never attend the weekend shows any more. Thursday and Friday are bad enough already. Anywho, that was NAMM 2002 for me. Now back to the real world. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 16:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03415; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:53:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.60.105] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:45:35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2002 20:45:36.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[93DEFB60:01C1A2BC] Resent-Message-ID: <984FmD.A.Ls.P4HT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh Boy... that madness we call NAMM... a splendid time was guaranteed for all! Personally the highlight of the whole show wa the LD convention at the EH booth. And then getting to meet and hand out with dt/sc was really a joy, too! Really was good to see and meet these faces whose posts have been greeting me each morning (Gary, Richard, Andre, Hans et al). I must say I am loving Andre's CD on EDP loops! Really great stuff! >Also, I've been listening to a preview copy of Loop lister Max Valentino's >solo Bass looping CD: Great work Max!!! I love the piece JAM KARET, >played with prepared bass! Can't wait to hear the whole thing. > Thanks Rick! I second (or third?) the recommendation of LIVE..very cool! Also, on dt's recommedation I checked out "radial" a looping program form cycling '74....very, very cool! ...and maybe the biggest kick (and suprise!) was going to the Godin Guitars room and finding my picture gracing the pages of their new 2002 products catalog.....look, Ma, I AM somebody!!! Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 16:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06021; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:10:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:10:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:04:19 EST Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > but that still does not solve the problem of getting tap FROM the the > Drum Machine to a non midi device like the Vortex. > Basically it can't be done, (not that well, anyway) OK , you can get a delay effect to sound in time by tapping in automatically, but you can't get that device to sync a loop to MIDI . MIDI timing isn't that accurate , and though you can tap in continuously you can't restart (resync) the loop on the tap time device so it will drift. Of course if you're not trying to sync a loop like this then it's probably fine. (but then why not just tap in the time with your foot?) Someone mentioned Matthias' circuit for connecting EDP to Vortex. find it in here, fully documented on a page that has been checked over by the man himself Lexicon Vortex Database andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 19:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18273; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:45:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:45:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c1a2d4$8f403200$212d32d2@lisa> From: "Keith Lang" To: References: <200201200531.AAA17658@hemlock.violacea.com> <007301c1a265$f4d3c380$ea62f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:37:12 +1100 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey rick > Secondly, I saw a software demo that really ups the ante in the pc/mac > looping world. It is called LIVE! I watched the damn demo three times I > was so excited. Yes, I'll will be getting LIVE soon, it is an awesome program. everything is MIDI-able too. It takes loop performance to the next level, I really want it combined with.... > MELODYNE (www.celemony.com). Another German company (boy the Germans seem > to be kicking major bootay in the software world these days), this program > allows for manipulation of mono audio files that is almost like midi. To yeah melodyne is AMAZING. I've never heard like it yes, people, go and check out the audio samples on their website and no, i don't work for the company. if i did i could get a free version. (i cant afford MELODYNE) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 19:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18948; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:52:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:52:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:45:50 -0500 Subject: Re: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looked on cycling74 site for 'radial' but found nothing... Can you throw me a line? Uh... Link? B est, todd On 1/21/02 3:45 PM, "max valentino" wrote: > > > > Oh Boy... that madness we call NAMM... a splendid time was guaranteed for > all! Personally the highlight of the whole show wa the LD convention at the > EH booth. And then getting to meet and hand out with dt/sc was really a joy, > too! Really was good to see and meet these faces whose posts have been > greeting me each morning (Gary, Richard, Andre, Hans et al). I must say I > am loving Andre's CD on EDP loops! Really great stuff! > >> Also, I've been listening to a preview copy of Loop lister Max Valentino's >> solo Bass looping CD: Great work Max!!! I love the piece JAM KARET, >> played with prepared bass! Can't wait to hear the whole thing. >> > Thanks Rick! > I second (or third?) the recommendation of LIVE..very cool! > Also, on dt's recommedation I checked out "radial" a looping program form > cycling '74....very, very cool! > ...and maybe the biggest kick (and suprise!) was going to the Godin Guitars > room and finding my picture gracing the pages of their new 2002 products > catalog.....look, Ma, I AM somebody!!! > Max > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 19:47:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21603; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:32:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:32:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:25:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Of course if you're not trying to sync a loop like this then it's probably >fine. > >(but then why not just tap in the time with your foot?) > Basically, with the Repeater, you've got to Tap to start your loop, then tap again to end it. It would be great if as soon as the loop started the Vortex was "in time" I know synch is being thrown around a lot here, but I know it won't synch. I just want it to automatically get it's taps from my midi clock source. I guess it's too much to ask unless you're willing to spend $400 or so. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 20:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22688; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:51:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:46:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Radial, jhno (was: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Looked on cycling74 site for 'radial' but found nothing... Can you throw me >a line? Uh... Link? > >B est, > >todd > http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html Sez it'll be around in "fourth quarter of 2001" .... Hey, jhno, any news? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 20:15:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24419; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:00:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:00:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:45:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It find it is pretty easy and musical to tap the footswitch or front of the Vortex at different subdivisions (whole note, triplet etc) of the measure, so I get various effects without having to program different delay times or change presets. I'm usually trying to get everything as hooked up as possible, like you, but this is an example of how having a piece 'out of the loop' can bring more power to bear, giving you the say on your delay rather than the midi clock calling the shots... Still kinda scratching my head about creative ways to use sync possiblities of the RPTR and EDP in tandem... Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: Marklar [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? > > > > > >Of course if you're not trying to sync a loop like this then > it's probably > >fine. > > > >(but then why not just tap in the time with your foot?) > > > > Basically, with the Repeater, you've got to Tap to start your loop, > then tap again to end it. It would be great if as soon as the loop > started the Vortex was "in time" I know synch is being thrown around > a lot here, but I know it won't synch. I just want it to > automatically get it's taps from my midi clock source. I guess it's > too much to ask unless you're willing to spend $400 or so. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 20:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25739; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:13:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Also, I've been listening to a preview copy of Loop lister Max Valentino's > >> solo Bass looping CD: Great work Max!!! I love the piece JAM KARET, > >> played with prepared bass! Can't wait to hear the whole thing. If I remember correctly there was a band called Djam Karet, interviewed on John Diliberto's Echoes radio program together with my old band the Janus Ensemble, about ten years ago. I'm curious if there's some looping genealogy here... -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 21:28:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28571; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:13:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:13:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:07:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > but this is an example of how having a piece 'out of the >loop' can bring more power to bear, giving you the say on your delay rather >than the midi clock calling the shots... the device that derives Tap from the LED had the ability to spit out a fraction of the time between two pulses. From a 1/32 on up. It also would do multiples of the time, so I still could (if the thing worked :/) have that kind of control. >Still kinda scratching my head about creative ways to use sync possiblities >of the RPTR and EDP in tandem... I had my JamMan and Repeater going for a while, and it was just too much for me. There comes a time when you have to just forget possibilities and make some loops! The worst show I ever did was when I tried to bring my entire home studio to a party. I was overwhelmed with gear wrangling. So far, the Repeater is plenty for me. Mark > >Neil Goldstein >Portland, Oregon > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marklar [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:25 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? >> >> >> > >> >Of course if you're not trying to sync a loop like this then >> it's probably >> >fine. >> > >> >(but then why not just tap in the time with your foot?) >> > >> >> Basically, with the Repeater, you've got to Tap to start your loop, >> then tap again to end it. It would be great if as soon as the loop >> started the Vortex was "in time" I know synch is being thrown around >> a lot here, but I know it won't synch. I just want it to >> automatically get it's taps from my midi clock source. I guess it's > > too much to ask unless you're willing to spend $400 or so. > > > > Mark > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 22:01:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29976; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:46:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:46:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:41:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Radial, jhno (was: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sez it'll be around in "fourth quarter of 2001" .... > >Hey, jhno, any news? PS: jhno's own site sez early 2002. I'm really looking forward to radiaL, since his freeware Looper app is already dandy. And since I may have a job soon, it'll help solve that pesky "What am I gonna do with this money?" problem. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 23:01:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01059; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:46:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:46:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:32:55 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Radial, jhno (was: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM) Message-ID: <20020121213255.I20367@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from just-john@just-john.com on Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:41:02PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what is jhno's site, i'm interested in this freeware app... m just john(just-john@just-john.com)@Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:41:02PM -0500: > > >Sez it'll be around in "fourth quarter of 2001" .... > > > >Hey, jhno, any news? > > PS: jhno's own site sez early 2002. > > > I'm really looking forward to radiaL, since his freeware Looper app is > already dandy. > > And since I may have a job soon, it'll help solve that pesky "What am I > gonna do with this money?" problem. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 23:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01422; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:52:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:52:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020122034642.77293.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:46:42 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Armchair NAMM picks To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9laKQ.A.VQ.jCOT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Geez, didn't anybody see anything good at NAMM besides software? =) While I didn't make it to the convention myself, I've been rabidly following Harmony Central's publication of press releases, and offer my personal wish list for consideration and discussion (and hey, it's only 11 months till my birthday - some of these have got to be in production by then!): Alesis ModFX: OK, the names suck, but that's a whole lot of variations on processing, and modulation sync to incoming audio to boot. Fun for loop manglification. http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/Alesis/PR/ModFX.html Boss BF-3 flanger: stereo flange pedal w/momentary mode, tap tempo, and gate/pan "Slicer" effects. http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/Boss/PR/BF-3.html Boss PW-10 Modeling Wah Pedal: 8 wah/filter/Univibe modes, plus distortion and user memory. http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/Boss/PR/V-Wah.html Digitech PRX single-effect stompboxes: Of particular interest, the Digidelay (up to 4 seconds of delay) and the Synth Wah envelope filter. http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/DigiTech/PR/PRX-Pedals.html Yamaha UD Stomp: 8 bands of delay with up to 5.5 seconds delay time in Parallel mode, modulation effects, loop sampler, and MIDI control. http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/Yamaha/PR/UD-Stomp.html Yamaha AES820/AES820D6: Damn, that looks cool! Available in regular and 26.5" scale Drop 6 flavors. http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/Yamaha/PR/AES820-AES820D6.html Drool on, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com And if it's up to us to bring some balance back Let it not be said it's courage that we lack -Gaia Consort, "Cry Freedom" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 23:32:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03895; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:17:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020121213255.I20367@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: ; from just-john@just-john.com on Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:41:02PM -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:13:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Radial, jhno (was: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.subminimal.com/ear/software.html >what is jhno's site, i'm interested in this freeware app... > >> I'm really looking forward to radiaL, since his freeware Looper app is >> already dandy. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 00:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08698; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:06:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:06:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:00:11 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 1.25.02 (Providence), 1.26.02 (Cambridge) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'd like to tell you about my first performances of the new year. At AS 220, Providence, RI, Friday 1.25.02 10pm Roger Miller Binary System, Emile Tobenfield An interesting evening of super sonic techno music and innovation featuring former members of Mission of Burma and the Pork Chop Lounge Band. $5 AS 220 is at 115 Empire St, Providence 401 831 9327 www.as22o.org. At Zeitgeist Gallery, Cambridge MA, Saturday 1.26.02, sharing video with Walter Wright and Music with an unusually talented cast of characters. I'm really looking forward to working with Joe Manieri, something I've wanted to do for a long time. THE KEN FIELD BIRTHDAY OPEN! 8:30 SESSION ONE Session One is an outgrowth of an ongoing series of improvisation workshops directed by saxophonist Tom Hall. For this performance, the group will include: Tom Hall - tenor & baritone sax Ken Field - alto sax, flute Brian Carpenter - trumpet, slide trumpet Grant Smith - drums & percussion Derek VanBeever - acoustic bass 10:00 JOE MANERI TRIO Joe Maneri - alto sax Katt Hernandez - violin Brad Kemp - bass Doyen of the Boston free-jazz scene, Joe Maneri has been a professor at the New England Conservatory since the late '60s, studied with Arnold Schoenberg in New York, and has played with Barre Phillips, Tim Berne, Jack Wright, Joe Morris & Ed Schuller. He has worked in Greek, Turkish & Armenian folk & bellydance groups since the early 1950s. In recent years he has made notable recordings & appearances with his son Matt, the violin terror. Lights by Walter Wright & Dr. T, that famous vaudeville pair! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 01:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15667; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:30:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:30:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011801c1a30d$6fae97e0$e064f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201220401.XAA03046@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: Origins of the title JAM KARET Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:24:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alex Stahl wrote about the band Djam Karet (the indonesian proper spelling). Djam Karet means 'time is rubber' and refers to the elastic quality of time when you live in the tropics. The first time I heard it, I was touring as a dancer in the first American theatre troupe to perform in Bali, Indonesia. I had to meet a Balinese man in the market of Denpassar so that he could help me get my visa extended and we agreed to meet at noon in the market place. My visa was to run out the next day, I was low on money and Denpassar was pretty far from Ubud where I was staying so I had some major anxiety when he failed to appear at noon, and then one , two three and finally four o'clock. At five o'clock he appeared and I was pretty pissed off and said "where the hell have you been? We agreed to meet here at noon". He just shrugged his shoulders, giggled guilessly and said "Djam Karet". It diffused the situation (my uptightness at least) and I got my visa extended but I was really taken with the whole concept and so in 1989 we wrote a tune in my world fusion band, Worlds Collide called Jam Karet (a pun on jamming). For the intro to the tune I had our bassist, Ernie Provencher (who I miss dearly) play long rubbery glissandos on the track. I turned off the volume of the original tracks (my brother Bill playing a taqsim (unmetered improvisatioin) on a gamelan-esque metallaphone patch on his guitar synthesizer so that Ernie's parts were completely random. We went on to do a long piece with an ersatz-ketchak (or monkey chant) that I multitracked my own vocals over. I'm rather proud of that piece of music. I don't think it sounds like anything out at the time (or maybe even since). Anyway, Max Valentino heard that story years ago and also loved the concept and has done a really cool solo bass track on his new CD borrowing the title and using the same Balines Pelog scale with prepared Bass (alligator clips and such). Check it out. Our CD "Everything's Changing in the Global Village" is long out of print but I will happily burn a copy and supply artwork for the CD if anyone is interested in hearing it for $15 (shipping included). We go all over the planet and shamelessly fuse many different styles (with some degree of knowledge of the traditional aspects of the music I might add for all you purists out there). With the exception of the slightly dated new agey opening track (New Age radio were the only stations playing creative instrumental music at the time and it was the last time I ever make a decision based on purely commercial considerations for the rest of my life, thank god), the record holds up pretty well I think. I'm still proud of it. If anyone is interested, just send a check or money order to Rick Walker 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California 95062-2629 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 02:26:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18427; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:12:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:12:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: New looper @ NAMM? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:06:48 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c1a313$5c1af060$172f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <011801c1a30d$6fae97e0$e064f93f@dnlsh01> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reading the Harmony Central reports of NAMM, they describe a Digitech multi-effects pedal, which upon first looking, seems like the millionth variation on their line of multi-effects except in the description it mentions a 'JamMan II Delay Looper'. No idea how they implement this, but read it yourself @ http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/DigiTech/PR/GNX3.html Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 03:34:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22121; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:19:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:19:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002201c1a313$5c1af060$172f04d1@home> References: <002201c1a313$5c1af060$172f04d1@home> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:13:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Trey Gunn in SF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, he'll be there tues and wednesday as well! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 03:35:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22119; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:19:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:19:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002201c1a313$5c1af060$172f04d1@home> References: <002201c1a313$5c1af060$172f04d1@home> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:12:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: LOOPS SPOTTED IN SF. Trey Gunn! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9be2M.A.jVF.Z7RT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids! I just got back from seeing Trey Gunn's band play at Cafe Dunord in San Francisco on Market St. I swear it was one of the best shows I've EVER seen. Incredible! The drummer was looping with a Repeater, and I saw a DL4 on the floor in front of Trey. If you're in the neighborhood, it's the best $15 dollars you'll spend this week, I swear. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 04:15:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24855; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:00:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:00:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c1a322$5a6c7f40$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: NAMM sleepers... Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:54:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Been following NAMM reports wherever I can find them, and have noticed a > few under-reported blips of coolness: > > http://www.antares-systems.com/products/kantos.html > http://www.hartmann-music.com/ > > > both appear to be new directions in synthesis... and new directions in pricing - that Neuronal thing is quoted at $4990! os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 04:20:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25257; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:05:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c1a323$1e221ee0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Radial, jhno (was: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:59:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it just me, or does this sound very very similar to Ableton's Live? I'm just playing with the Live demo now - I'll be very interested to see this radiaL thing too, given the Cycling 74 pedigree. os (a big Pluggo fan) os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.burningshed.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:46 AM Subject: Radial, jhno (was: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM) > >Looked on cycling74 site for 'radial' but found nothing... Can you throw me > >a line? Uh... Link? > > > >B est, > > > >todd > > > > http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html > > Sez it'll be around in "fourth quarter of 2001" .... > > Hey, jhno, any news? > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 04:47:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26667; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:32:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:32:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003901c1a323$1e221ee0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:28:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Radial, jhno (was: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is it just me, or does this sound very very similar to Ableton's Live? I'm >just playing with the Live demo now - I'll be very interested to see this >radiaL thing too, given the Cycling 74 pedigree. > >os >(a big Pluggo fan) > > Your message inspired me to fire up the Live demo again. It strikes me as a version of Bitheadz' Phrazer, with the major exception that Live seems to actually be worthwhile. I'm also impressed it played perfectly and didn't crash even though I remained online, with browser, email and lots of other stuff running in the background. So that's a good sign. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 05:11:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27932; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:56:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:56:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003901c1a323$1e221ee0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:52:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Radial, jhno (was: FIRST REPORTS BACK FROM NAMM) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Is it just me, or does this sound very very similar to Ableton's Live? I'm >>just playing with the Live demo now - I'll be very interested to see this >>radiaL thing too, given the Cycling 74 pedigree. >> >>os >>(a big Pluggo fan) >> >> > >Your message inspired me to fire up the Live demo again. It strikes me as >a version of Bitheadz' Phrazer, with the major exception that Live seems to >actually be worthwhile. I'm also impressed it played perfectly and didn't >crash even though I remained online, with browser, email and lots of other >stuff running in the background. > >So that's a good sign. PS: This is really a ruse to get jhno to post some release info for radiaL. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 06:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32747; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 05:56:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 05:56:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <143.839a20e.297e9d81@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 05:48:33 EST Subject: Re: Vortex revisited To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi there, > > I've also found with the vortex probably due to the algorithms also is: = > if > you set up a loop within the vortex to repeat infinately, after a while t= > he > loop will degrade into a different sound all together and no matter what = > the > original source was, it degrades to a similar sound. There's 2 completely different types of delay on the Vortex, one with independant Input vol and feedback. and one where feedback and input vol work together , so that at 100% feedback the Inp vol is reduced to zero. (I could even look in my notebook and tell you which) using this second type you can have loops that go on forever, without changing at all. Maybe you're using Deja Vu B though (the Loopers most obvious patch), in which case that IS the second type of delay. To stop decay you'll have to set Feedback 2 to either 1 or 64, and also Envelope to 1 really though, the gradual change of sound usually makes things more interesting, ..the loop changing imperceptably into a pulse ..or gradually getting more and more vibratoed (Atmosphere B). and there's still nothing that compares to a Vortex, nice to see it mentioned again Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 06:21:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02159; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:07:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:07:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <167.782ce94.297ea036@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:00:06 EST Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Basically, with the Repeater, you've got to Tap to start your loop, > then tap again to end it. It would be great if as soon as the loop > started the Vortex was "in time" I know synch is being thrown around > a lot here, but I know it won't synch. I just want it to > automatically get it's taps from my midi clock source. I guess it's > too much to ask unless you're willing to spend $400 or so. > > Mark Well the way I would get round this with the JamMan and Vortex was to place one footswitch under each foot, then use both feet together. (don't try this standing though) If you had an output jack put in you repeater, connected to the tap switch, then I reckon this would open up the options. How are you tapping the time on the Repeater though?? By front panel or MIDI controller? Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 06:34:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02798; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:19:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:19:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:12:38 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Vortex_revisited?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.7.173 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA02467 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > and there's still nothing that compares to a Vortex, > nice to see it mentioned again > Andy Butler > Lexicon Vortex Da tabase > This is not correct; using the unit's manual algorithms drawings I was able to replicate almost all Vortex algorithms on my Eventide Orville. These algos also work on DSP4000/GTR4000/DSP4500/DSP7000/DSP7500. Having a better and more in depth description of Vortex algos would improve my design a bit. The manual doesn't tell the whole story, of course. On my unit I'm also able to take advantage of more delay memory (259 sec @48KHz sampling) and more power to add fx everywhere in the signal flow, not to mention midi control. all the best Italoop ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 08:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10595; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:02:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:02:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <120.a1c1d3e.297ebb80@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:56:32 EST Subject: Re: reverse and Insert in EDP Loop4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry lost original post for reply so hi ? The Exact way in which Reverse and Replace work together in Loop3 is not available in Loop4, however you can get very close . (results just as good) Matthias would be able to do a version of loop4 with the old Reverse/Insert from Loop3 as a one off. currently Matthias is getting ready for the final wave of Beta testing (ironing out a few known bugs) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 08:33:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11312; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4D6486.93D8D79D@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:09:26 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex revisited References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > > > and there's still nothing that compares to a Vortex, > > nice to see it mentioned again > > Andy Butler > > Lexicon Vortex Da > tabase > > > > This is not correct; using the unit's manual algorithms drawings I was > able to replicate almost all Vortex algorithms on my Eventide Orville. You say almost all > These algos also work on DSP4000/GTR4000/DSP4500/DSP7000/DSP7500. > Having a better and more in depth description of Vortex algos would > improve my design a bit. The manual doesn't tell the whole story, of > course. so youre almost there but only almost >On my unit I'm also able to take advantage of more delay memory > (259 sec @48KHz sampling) and more power to add fx everywhere in the > signal flow, not to mention midi control. We can conclude there is nothing that compares to a vortex.... thanks Italo <:0) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 09:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15511; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:04:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:04:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: NAMM sleepers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:56:46 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/22/2002 08:56:48 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> ...that's nothing new; breaking technology often seems to get birthed in expensive hardware, then shows up in software for a fraction. Look at the VST version of Waldorf's PPG Wave monster, or at the software that can more or less duplicate that ridiculously-priced Roland 9000 pitch/time thingy...dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 09:38:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16713; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:23:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:23:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: reverse and Insert in EDP Loop4 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a358$e0305d00$9069580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips- -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: Re: reverse and Insert in EDP Loop4 >sorry lost original post for reply >so >hi ? >The Exact way in which Reverse and Replace work together in Loop3 is >not available in Loop4, however you can get very close .>(results just as good) darn, BUT new chances to learn. >Matthias would be able to do a version of loop4 with the old Reverse/Insert >from Loop3 as a one off. now that sounds comfortable and really cool! >currently Matthias is getting ready for the final wave of Beta testing>(ironing out a few known bugs) >andy butler > Hope he takes just the right amount of time. Thanks for the updates. Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 11:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28976; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:23:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:17:30 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Origins of the title JAM KARET To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002801c1a360$4a76eba0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200201220401.XAA03046@hemlock.violacea.com> <011801c1a30d$6fae97e0$e064f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > ... the record holds up pretty well I think. I'm still > proud of it. > wow, a 12 year old recording you're still proud of. that's an accomplishment. i have come to believe that all my recordings will inevitably seem immature to me after a few years... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 11:56:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30163; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:41:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:41:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001b01c1a322$5a6c7f40$51cec22b@cambmaya04> References: <001b01c1a322$5a6c7f40$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:35:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: NAMM sleepers... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6FjdqD.A.WQH.cTZT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, they've got to pay for that webpage. Oh brother. I hope the keyboard interface is easier to figure out than their site navigation. Mark > > >> Been following NAMM reports wherever I can find them, and have noticed a >> few under-reported blips of coolness: >> >> http://www.antares-systems.com/products/kantos.html >> http://www.hartmann-music.com/ >> >> >> both appear to be new directions in synthesis... > >and new directions in pricing - that Neuronal thing is quoted at $4990! > > >os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 12:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30543; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003901c1a323$1e221ee0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> References: <003901c1a323$1e221ee0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:39:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: ON EBAY: Mackie 1402 VLZ Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, I put my mixer up on eBay if you're interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1505459634 In case you're wondering how to get multiple signals into your Looper... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 12:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31387; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:57:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:57:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <167.782ce94.297ea036@aol.com> References: <167.782ce94.297ea036@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:51:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: RE: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Well the way I would get round this with the JamMan and Vortex was to place >one footswitch under each foot, then use both feet together. >(don't try this standing though) > >If you had an output jack put in you repeater, connected to the tap switch, >then I reckon this would open up the options. > >How are you tapping the time on the Repeater though?? > >By front panel or MIDI controller? > Usually by an FS-300 footswitch, or the front panel. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 14:38:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14670; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:24:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:24:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201221917.g0MJHmG03284@chmls18.ne.ipsvc.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:15:43 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA14284 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have not followed this thread carefully...that said... john blacet has a midi clock chip that he sells that converts midi clock into gate pulses. with a simple divide by x circut, and with a simple pulse/short circut (1 diode, 1 resistor, 1 transistor...like the v-trig to s-trig converter), you could do this (for around, i would guess, $25-30). www.blacet.com deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 15:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18660; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:04:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:04:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4DC41E.2CFFBCB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:57:18 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tap tempo to midi clock ??????? References: <200201221917.g0MJHmG03284@chmls18.ne.ipsvc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, that does seem like it would do the trick... if only I had the schematic to put it in something I could use. Mark Dean Stiglitz wrote: > i have not followed this thread carefully...that said... > > john blacet has a midi clock chip that he sells that converts midi clock into gate pulses. with a simple divide by x circut, and with a simple pulse/short circut (1 diode, 1 resistor, 1 transistor...like the v-trig to s-trig converter), you could do this (for around, i would guess, $25-30). > > www.blacet.com > > deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 16:57:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25095; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:42:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:42:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRTDQIYNW4w0Ev4f1XOmOrJ+KnQCAIUF5T1as/dRqXMqGjCwIXEJMRq9Bs= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:36:15 -0800 (PST) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP or REPEATER? Message-ID: <14220-3C4DDB4F-4664@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well next week is the big week for me. I'll be purchasing an EDP or a REPEATER. And I dont know which one to get. I'll be using it for live situations mostly. And a EDP for $649.00 at alto music is'nt bad. Can anyone help persuade me into which one I really want. I'm Confused. thanx, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 17:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29372; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:31:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:31:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1a393$b0c7f920$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <14220-3C4DDB4F-4664@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:25:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <51MzTD.A.9FH.BbeT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Read up on both units on Loopers Delight and judge for yourself- personally I find the EDP more condusive in a live situation as it comes with a good foot controller- the Repeater on the other hand requires some sort of midi controller or a simple FS-300 will control some basic functions. The Repeater has the pitch and mulitrack functions which are nice- and the tempo features are great- also has CFC storage- But the EDP has delay mode and many features such as insert and multi loops whic can be recalled instantly- IMO- they are both worth owning- I own both and can definitely say neither replaces the other in my rig- Happy hunting- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: EDP or REPEATER? > Well next week is the big week for me. I'll be purchasing an EDP or a > REPEATER. And I dont know which one to get. I'll be using it for live > situations mostly. And a EDP for $649.00 at alto music is'nt bad. Can > anyone help persuade me into which one I really want. I'm Confused. > thanx, Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 17:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30084; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:40:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:34:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <14220-3C4DDB4F-4664@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: William Mcallister wrote: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30978; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:50:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:50:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4DFA56.8CD2CD23@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:48:38 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? References: <14220-3C4DDB4F-4664@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is it important to save the loops you do? how about having 4 tracks per loop and really long loop time? Stereo? That sounds like Repeater territory. I don't have an EDP, nor have i used one, but it seems like the tool to get if you want to drop right into "record" after closing your loop... my impression is that the EDP is great for dynamic, flowing, ever-changing loop stuff... many folks say as a live looper it is the BOSS. i really dig "queuing" loops on my Repeater... using midi to alter different track levels, or feedback, or totally deconstructing the loop via a Pitch/Tempo shift. Also I can capture percussion samples (i.e. stuff from the Sonic Foundry website) on a CF Card and spend the afternoon playing with drum tracks. stereo loops are great, and one of my main motivators to get the repeater, but now i find that i usually just record mono loops... who would have thought? so what kinds of things do you envision doing with a looper? Identify YOUR vision, and it should lead you to the proper tool. (whoa, heavy!) -jas Albuquerque William Mcallister wrote: > Well next week is the big week for me. I'll be purchasing an EDP or a > REPEATER. And I dont know which one to get. I'll be using it for live > situations mostly. And a EDP for $649.00 at alto music is'nt bad. Can > anyone help persuade me into which one I really want. I'm Confused. > thanx, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 18:47:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01938; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:32:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:32:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:25:58 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14220-3C4DDB4F-4664@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how do U plan 2 U's it? > Well next week is the big week for me. I'll be purchasing an EDP or a > REPEATER. And I dont know which one to get. I'll be using it for live > situations mostly. And a EDP for $649.00 at alto music is'nt bad. Can > anyone help persuade me into which one I really want. I'm Confused. > thanx, Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 19:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02565; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:45:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:45:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:43:00 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C4DFA56.8CD2CD23@cabq.gov> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm similarly looking for someone to persuade me one way or another though I'm in a slightly different situation. I have one EDP. The question for me is: If I want a stereo looper do I get a second EDP (while I can) or do I get a Repeater? The pros and cons that I'm aware of that apply for anyone are: * Reportedly the EDP is better for loop construction and other live looping games. It's feature set certainly seems better suited to this. * The EDP can go straight into overdub. * The Repeater has 4 loops -- though they all have to be the same length. * The Repeater has it's own effects loop that can come before, after, or applied to any of the loops. I think (Repeater owners please check me on this), that it's smart about resampling a loop through the effects. * Electrix build quality feels better than the build quality on the Echoplex. (I've got a MoFX and it just feels amazingly solid.) That being said, I haven't had any actually problems with my Echoplex. * The Repeater can save loops. (I've saved loops from my Echoplex to my SP-808 but it isn't exactly straightforward on either end.) * Tempo and pitch shift on the Repeater. I guess my big question for people who have both an EDP and a Repeater is are you happy or would you now have preferred 2 EDPs? Mark P.S. My dream loopers: Repeater hardware and connectivity with EDP software. - or - The SP-808 with a live looping oriented OS. If it kept the effects section but reworked the recording and playback around the notion of live loop recording, playback, and modification, it could be a really sweet machine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 19:12:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03235; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:57:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:57:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <145.8377045.297f543a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:48:10 EST Subject: Re: Origins of the title JAM KARET To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_145.8377045.297f543a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <5cgK0D.A.xu.jrfT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_145.8377045.297f543a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 11:20:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, jimp@pobox.com writes: > i have come to believe that all my recordings will inevitably > seem immature to me after a few years... > well ya ain't gettin younger and i dont think being "manure" is all its cracked up to be.....:)m --part1_145.8377045.297f543a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 11:20:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, jimp@pobox.com writes:


    i have come to believe that all my recordings will inevitably
    seem immature to me after a few years...


    well ya ain't gettin younger and i dont think being "manure" is all its cracked up to be.....:)m     --part1_145.8377045.297f543a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 19:16:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04691; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:02:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:02:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1159e7cb.297f5619@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:56:09 EST Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_53.1159e7cb.297f5619_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_53.1159e7cb.297f5619_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 4:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes: > I'm Confused a good starting place.....work harder, save longer and get both.....:)m --part1_53.1159e7cb.297f5619_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 4:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes:


    I'm Confused


    a good starting place.....work harder, save longer and get both.....:)m     --part1_53.1159e7cb.297f5619_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 19:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05682; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:15:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:15:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:09:00 EST Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ab.15a4a76a.297f591c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ab.15a4a76a.297f591c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 6:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > do I get a second EDP (while I can) this is the second mention of the edp becoming hard to get in the "near" future.....what's da deal?.....:)m --part1_ab.15a4a76a.297f591c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 6:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:


    do I get a second EDP (while I can)


    this is the second mention of  the edp becoming hard to get in the "near" future.....what's da deal?.....:)m     --part1_ab.15a4a76a.297f591c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 20:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07945; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:57:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:57:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:49:33 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Origins of the title JAM KARET To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a901c1a3a7$d4d30670$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <145.8377045.297f543a@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7wf-q.A.F0B.tigT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe i should aim for "immanure"... > > > i have come to believe that all my recordings will inevitably > > seem immature to me after a few years... > > > > well ya ain't gettin younger and i dont think being "manure" is all its > cracked up to be.....:)m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 20:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07964; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:58:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:58:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:52:04 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00bc01c1a3a8$2e0642c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm guessing they are waiting for the new os to be tested so they don't have to replace as many eproms on new machines they just sold with v3... > In a message dated 1/22/02 6:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > > > > do I get a second EDP (while I can) > > this is the second mention of the edp becoming hard to get in the "near" > future.....what's da deal?.....:)m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 20:44:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10566; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:29:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:29:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:14:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00bc01c1a3a8$2e0642c0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the EDP upgrade supposed to do? Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? > > > i'm guessing they are waiting for the new os to be tested so they > don't have > to replace as many eproms on new machines they just sold with v3... > > > > > In a message dated 1/22/02 6:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > > > > > > > do I get a second EDP (while I can) > > > > this is the second mention of the edp becoming hard to get in > the "near" > > future.....what's da deal?.....:)m > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 22:05:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17094; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:51:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:51:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c1a3b8$c0753020$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:50:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd vote for the Repeater for someone just starting to use a looping device. It's easier to learn how to use than the EDP, IMHO. The Repeater documentation is also written more clearly than the EDP's. I think the Repeater controls are more intuitive and better labeled than the EDP's rather archaic button/light construct (although that 'chasing' tempo light drives me nuts). True, as someone else noted, the EDP's standard pedal is much better than the 'base' Digitech FS300 configuration that many use with the Repeater. The Repeater needs a MIDI pedal even to bump loops up and down, so, eventually, one must get a MIDI pedal to control the thing. The sound quality of both units is fairly similar to my ears. They both sound very good. One major plus of the Repeater is the ability to save loops on a CFC card. It takes me a while to build a song with drums, bass, percussion, keyboards. Sometimes I run out of time (and inspiration) to then jam over the whole mess. Being able to save the work-in-progress for another day is a real godsend to this horse. Paul - the 'Butch Band' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? > I'm similarly looking for someone to persuade me one way or another though > I'm in a slightly different situation. I have one EDP. The question for me > is: If I want a stereo looper do I get a second EDP (while I can) or do I > get a Repeater? > > The pros and cons that I'm aware of that apply for anyone are: > > * Reportedly the EDP is better for loop construction and other live looping > games. It's feature set certainly seems better suited to this. > > * The EDP can go straight into overdub. > > * The Repeater has 4 loops -- though they all have to be the same length. > > * The Repeater has it's own effects loop that can come before, after, or > applied to any of the loops. I think (Repeater owners please check me on > this), that it's smart about resampling a loop through the effects. > > * Electrix build quality feels better than the build quality on the > Echoplex. (I've got a MoFX and it just feels amazingly solid.) That being > said, I haven't had any actually problems with my Echoplex. > > * The Repeater can save loops. (I've saved loops from my Echoplex to my > SP-808 but it isn't exactly straightforward on either end.) > > * Tempo and pitch shift on the Repeater. > > I guess my big question for people who have both an EDP and a Repeater is > are you happy or would you now have preferred 2 EDPs? > > Mark > > P.S. My dream loopers: > > Repeater hardware and connectivity with EDP software. > > - or - > > The SP-808 with a live looping oriented OS. If it kept the effects section > but reworked the recording and playback around the notion of live loop > recording, playback, and modification, it could be a really sweet machine. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 23:03:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21502; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:48:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c1a3bf$2f27c0e0$f0065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #252 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:36:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #252 January 17, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. A master of drones, Mathias is a prolific creator of ambient music from his studio in Germany. The Featured CD at midnight was "The Hollow" on the Arya label and is a collaboration with Jim Cole. The vinyl show starter was an LP by the French group Space Art. I played the music of the Ministry of Inside Things who played at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha the next day. I also played the music of Orbital Decay who will play at the Ice House in Bethlehem on February 16. Mathias Grassow http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jan Events http://wdiyfm.org.programs/emusic/events/html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Space Art Onyx Space Art (IF Records) T-Bass UK The Lighthouse The Fabulous Neutrinos (Infectionmusic) The Ministry of Inside Function Four Live on EMUSIC (Synkronos) Things Orbital Decay Drastic Park Drastic Park (none) VA [Lambert] Passing Images Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 (Spheric Music) Ma Ja Le and Hibiscus Ceremony Seed (Hypnos) James Johnson 12:00 am M. Grassow & J. Cole Spring Dawn The Hollow (Arya) M. Grassow & J. Cole Ululations Through the The Hollow (Arya) Hollow M. Grassow & J. Cole Dark Swirl The Hollow (Arya) M. Grassow & J. Cole Aspire The Hollow (Arya) M. Grassow & J. Cole Vanishing Flame The Hollow (Arya) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mercurius" by Mathias Grassow and Klaus Wiese on the Arya label. Next week's vinyl show starter will be Electronical Dreams, a compilation of artists on the Brain label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 01:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01877; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:59:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:59:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4E50BC.2DB079EE@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:04:34 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? References: <005c01c1a3b8$c0753020$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Butch wrote: (snip) > ...One major plus of the Repeater is the ability to save loops on a CFC card. > > It takes me a while to build a song with drums, bass, percussion, keyboards. > Sometimes I run out of time (and inspiration) to then jam over the whole > mess. Being able to save the work-in-progress for another day is a real > godsend to this horse. i wonder how many of us don't already own some sort of multi-track recording device? i.e., when i wanna save a loop, i just press record :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 03:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11205; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:06:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:06:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:00:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just discovered the best reason to have a Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex open on a computer while looping-- The faders update the MIDI input--so if you are using a MIDI controller for volume and feedback, the screen displays the values graphically! WOW! This is an important piece of info about the state of the loop previously unable to be viewed, except by using the knobs on the front panel (which is SOO analog). I am stoked. Anybody else want this? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 04:07:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14213; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:52:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:52:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:48:45 +0000 Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14220-3C4DDB4F-4664@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill, I had the possibility to play around a bit with both before buying and I picked the EDP because of the "go directly to overdub" feature. I want to use it improvising, sometimes in front of an audience, and need a smooth and intuitive performance (=EDP) more than I need all that other stuff you can get out of the RPTR with some knob tweaking. Ok, I'm a musician - if I were a DJ I would definitely go with the RPTR. However, six months later I managed to put money aside for a RPTR as well and having both is a brilliant combo IMO. I see the RPTR as an fx processor while you tend to work the EDP more like an instrument. Per Boysen Sweden > Well next week is the big week for me. I'll be purchasing an EDP or a > REPEATER. And I dont know which one to get. I'll be using it for live > situations mostly. And a EDP for $649.00 at alto music is'nt bad. Can > anyone help persuade me into which one I really want. I'm Confused. > thanx, Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 04:46:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17830; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:32:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:32:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <178.289d314.297fdb85@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:25:25 EST Subject: Re: Vortex revisited To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is not correct; using the unit's manual algorithms drawings I was > able to replicate almost all Vortex algorithms on my Eventide Orville. > These algos also work on DSP4000/GTR4000/DSP4500/DSP7000/DSP7500. > Having a better and more in depth description of Vortex algos would > improve my design a bit. The manual doesn't tell the whole story, of > course. Hi Italo Did you get each and every algorithm to morph into every other? The manual doesn't tell you how to do this at all, as some parameter values are present in one algorithm, but not in an other. So as you morph away from one algorithm what happens to those values? They don't stay constant . Seems to me they head towards either 1 or 64, and that this is responsible for some of the Vortex "wierdness". Also I wonder if you've duplicated the timbres of the various Vortex FX? Some of the patches I have are a long way from the supplied presets, would your system duplicate them ? Can you take two separate loops, and splice them together into one long loop? (so it sounds ABABABAB) (and looking at the Orville manual, nothing is impossible) ...and if you can do that, I presume that you could also do similar sorts of things that the Vortex can't. (even forgetting about pitchshifting and filtering) If you need any info as to the Vortex algos, you can always drop me a line, and I can probably work it out for you. andy butler (can't afford an Orville, which costs about 25 times what my Vortex did) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 05:20:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20958; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:58:45 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Vortex_revisited?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.2.92 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA20578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy I was able to replicate morphing putting two algorithms together in the same patch and X-fading between them. Now, I know Vortex claims that morphing is different from X-fade but I'm not sure if it does one or the other. I would think it does more X-fade than real morphing. Anyway, Orville does good things in the X-fade style. Those points in between...you know what I'm talking about...are cool and OUT! I was able to replicate some patches sounds better than others. The manual is just a general idea of those algos. You can splice loops (ABABA) with multitap delays feeding a morphing routing matrix...tricky but possible to do. Besides that you can do things that cannot be imagined if not heard. Machines, no matter what is their power and platform openess, are always different. But provided an extremely detailed algorithm information, Orville is the only hardware able to replicate it. I only wish Lexicon gave the user a deeper documentation. They never seemed to be interested to Vortex at all. If it only had at least 10 sec delay I would still own one. best regards Italoop > > This is not correct; using the unit's manual algorithms drawings I w as > > able to replicate almost all Vortex algorithms on my Eventide Orvil le. > > These algos also work on DSP4000/GTR4000/DSP4500/DSP7000/DSP7500. > > Having a better and more in depth description of Vortex algos would > > improve my design a bit. The manual doesn't tell the whole story, o f > > course. > > Hi Italo > Did you get each and every algorithm to morph into every other? > The manual doesn't tell you how to do this at all, as some parameter > values are present in one algorithm, but not in an other. > So as you morph away from one algorithm what happens to those values? > They don't stay constant . > Seems to me they head towards either 1 or 64, and that this is respons ible > for some of the Vortex "wierdness". > > Also I wonder if you've duplicated the timbres of the various Vortex F X? > Some of the patches I have are a long way from the supplied presets, > would your system duplicate them ? > > Can you take two separate loops, and splice them together into one lon g loop? > (so it sounds ABABABAB) (and looking at the Orville manual, nothing is > impossible) > > ...and if you can do that, I presume that you could also do similar so rts of > things that the Vortex can't. > (even forgetting about pitchshifting and filtering) > > If you need any info as to the Vortex algos, you can always drop me a line, > and I can probably work it out for you. > > andy butler (can't afford an Orville, which costs about 25 times what my > Vortex did) > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 07:00:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28341; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:46:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:46:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:42:36 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6CroD.A.c0G.JEqT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's unlikely that the Echoplex will be 'hard to get in the near future' there are still about 300 new, boxed, split between the Gibson warehouse and the Trace warehouse. There are a further 100 fully tested boards ready for final assembly and we are in negotiation to manufacture the CE approved unit for UK and Europe. With Matthias pretty much full-time working on software and technical help, the EDP must be one of the best supported products in the industry. I'll keep the list informed of developments as they arise, Andy Ewen. -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] Sent: 23 January 2002 01:15 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? What is the EDP upgrade supposed to do? Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? > > > i'm guessing they are waiting for the new os to be tested so they > don't have > to replace as many eproms on new machines they just sold with v3... > > > > > In a message dated 1/22/02 6:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > > > > > > > do I get a second EDP (while I can) > > > > this is the second mention of the edp becoming hard to get in > the "near" > > future.....what's da deal?.....:)m > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 07:41:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00491; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:26:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:26:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:23:19 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, my mate Dave, who's helping with Beta-testing of Loop4, uses Cakewalk and has been saying for years that someone needs to write a plugin for the EDP. I have no idea what this would involve though. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] Sent: 23 January 2002 08:00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! I just discovered the best reason to have a Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex open on a computer while looping-- The faders update the MIDI input--so if you are using a MIDI controller for volume and feedback, the screen displays the values graphically! WOW! This is an important piece of info about the state of the loop previously unable to be viewed, except by using the knobs on the front panel (which is SOO analog). I am stoked. Anybody else want this? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 07:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00934; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:32:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:32:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:28:09 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll leave it up to Matthias to reveal what Loop4 does exactly, but basically he has implemented loads of new functionality that has been requested by users over the years since Loop3Ver5 was released. -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] Sent: 23 January 2002 01:15 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? What is the EDP upgrade supposed to do? Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? > > > i'm guessing they are waiting for the new os to be tested so they > don't have > to replace as many eproms on new machines they just sold with v3... > > > > > In a message dated 1/22/02 6:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > > > > > > > do I get a second EDP (while I can) > > > > this is the second mention of the edp becoming hard to get in > the "near" > > future.....what's da deal?.....:)m > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 08:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05740; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:28:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:28:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4EB84E.31C2405E@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:19:10 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy Ewen wrote: > > Yup, my mate Dave, who's helping with Beta-testing of Loop4, uses Cakewalk > and has been saying for years that someone needs to write a plugin for the > EDP. I have no idea what this would involve though. > There will be some goodies at release of the next EDP soft for those who use Cubase and SoundDiver (cubase drum map with all the functions in plain english and EDP librarian/Editor to save and exchange presets) now for the studioware (that I dont know) this should be simple to implement as the sysex and commands are of the simplest and basic kind Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 09:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09450; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:09:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:09:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <181.2838335.29801ccd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:03:57 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #35 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <6fRotB.A.BOC.SLsT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Andy > I was able to replicate morphing putting two algorithms together in the > same patch and X-fading between them. Now, I know Vortex claims that > morphing is different from X-fade but I'm not sure if it does one or > the other. I would think it does more X-fade than real morphing. Italo Vortex does more than just X-fade, all the parameters gradually changing from one algo to the other. This works for the same algo in A & B, allowing ,say, depth and speed of vibrato to both change smoothly.(which would be easy on the orville). (although I notice that the Vortex cheats on filter frequencies, and does do an X-fade even when morphing to the same algo) It also morphs smoothly between different algos, in which case some params will head off to a "hidden" value (which I think is always either 1 or 64). Morphing echoes is not like an X-fade, as the audio that is looping is transfered from one algo to another. again this happens when the echo algo is the same with just different times, or if changing between very different echo algos. So what happens during a Morph can be much more complex than an X-fade, and indeed the sounds/textures produced certainly can benefit from this. (although there's little hint of this in the factory presets) Of course the advantage of the Vortex is that you can work out any 2 sounds that you like , then have the (almost) instant gratification of morphing between them. (without having to spend hours of programming) So as yet , nothing compares to a Vortex:-) Mind you , if I had an Orville. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 09:42:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11190; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:28:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:28:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP vs Repeater Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:21:35 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 29 2001) Message-Id: <20020123142135.UBPZ10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ...One major plus of the Repeater is the ability to save loops on a CFC card. > > It takes me a while to build a song with drums, bass, > percussion, keyboards. > Sometimes I run out of time (and inspiration) to then > jam over the whole > mess. Being able to save the work-in-progress for >another day is a real > godsend to this horse. Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11781; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:36:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:36:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:27:05 -0800 Subject: recording From: rob seiffert To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120123323.00a7f7a0@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, i have a question about how to record on my MAC G4. i have never done much recording, but i wanted to be able to dump a loop from my EDP onto my G4 as a keepsake. what would be an affordable way to get sound from a source like my echoplex or a stereo preamp (with 1/4" or mic outs) into my machine? what would be an affordable way to edit that sound once i got it onto my machine? sorry if my questions are basic. -- rob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 11:08:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18659; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:53:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:53:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0bc001c1a425$264229a0$2d990941@bens1.pa.home.com> From: "celworx" To: References: Subject: Re: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:46:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Definitely inteested. Where did you pick it up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:00 AM Subject: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! > I just discovered the best reason to have a Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for > Echoplex open on a computer while looping-- > The faders update the MIDI input--so if you are using a MIDI controller for > volume and feedback, the screen displays the values graphically! > WOW! > This is an important piece of info about the state of the loop previously > unable to be viewed, except by using the knobs on the front panel (which is > SOO analog). > I am stoked. Anybody else want this? > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 11:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18674; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:53:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:53:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:46:19 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Loopers-Delight-d_Digest_V02_#35?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.22.111 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA18135 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Andy > > I was able to replicate morphing putting two algorithms together in the > > same patch and X- fading between them. Now, I know Vortex claims that > > morphing is different from X- fade but I'm not sure if it does one or > > the other. I would think it does more X-fade than real morphing. > Italo > > Vortex does more than just X- fade, all the parameters gradually changing from > one algo to the other. This works for the same algo in A & B, allowing ,say, > depth and speed of vibrato to both change smoothly. (which would be easy on > the orville). > (although I notice that the Vortex cheats on filter frequencies, and d oes do > an X-fade even when morphing to the same algo) > It also morphs smoothly between different algos, in which case some pa rams > will head off to a "hidden" value (which I think is always either 1 or 64). > Morphing echoes is not like an X- fade, as the audio that is looping is > transfered from one algo to another. again this happens when the echo algo is > the same with just different times, or if changing between very differ ent > echo algos. > > So what happens during a Morph can be much more complex than an X- fade, > and indeed the sounds/textures produced certainly can benefit from thi s. > (although there's little hint of this in the factory presets) > > Of course the advantage of the Vortex is that you can work out any 2 s ounds > that you like , then have the (almost) instant gratification of morphi ng > between them. > (without having to spend hours of programming) > > > So as yet , nothing compares to a Vortex:-) > > > Mind you , if I had an Orville. > > andy like nothing compares to Orville!!! Italo > > > > > > ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 11:16:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18858; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:56:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:56:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:51:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: recording Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ihave done a lot of analogue audio digitizing with my macs, first using the built in audio and then with an audiowerk card. i can tell you that the built in audio (audio in and out) are very very good so you can use the stock audio path. you need an application that will record audio from the input jacks. something like soundedit, logic audio, peak, etc etc. all you do is from the sound control panel select the audio input as IN, plug in the sources (your edp) and then hit record in the app and play on the source. when the audio is done hit stop and you should have an audio file of the audio you just recorded. so a save as... and save it as an AIFF and that's it. plexus >hi all, > i have a question about how to record on my MAC G4. i have never done >much recording, but i wanted to be able to dump a loop from my EDP onto my >G4 as a keepsake. what would be an affordable way to get sound from a source >like my echoplex or a stereo preamp (with 1/4" or mic outs) into my machine? >what would be an affordable way to edit that sound once i got it onto my >machine? > >sorry if my questions are basic. > > >-- >rob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 12:16:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25988; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:01:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:01:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRLPutVsyOMusp/dSZZ1WmI699SjAIVAIwrzvC7lEzPJBrSv/QPDUrWRPCe From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:55:33 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? Message-ID: <23083-3C4EEB05-164@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Neil Goldstein" 's message of Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:14:37 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <0b4XB.A.79F.JsuT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I would like to thank everyone for their input and I've decided there is no way around it I have to have both. I'LL get the EDP first because of the discontinuing scare, but what about the upgrade rumor( now I'm confused again). Then I'll get the Repeater, for its storage capabilities. This list is full of brilliant minds. Thanks again, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 12:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26331; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:05:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:05:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: music business books Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:58:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 16:58:19.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[28E6D840:01C1A42F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD. Sorry for the off topic question. But I was at a bookshop this morning & they had about 12 books about the music business & my head started to spin. Does anyone have a favorite they can recommend? Cheers Lou _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 12:32:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27264; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:18:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:18:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:12:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1A3EE.23A14500" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <0bc001c1a425$264229a0$2d990941@bens1.pa.home.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1A3EE.23A14500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's all yours! You probably know this stuff, but . . . To make the panel work for you, you will need to click on design, then right click the buttons and faders and change the values in "kind" under "primary action"--everybody's setup is different. Also, if you don't use quantize, you will need to change the buttons' return action to "none" under "kind". This is rudimentary, there's lots more can be done, but the groundwork is laid. I think it should be easy to customize. Let me know if this works for you, or if you need help. 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Jan 2002 15:33:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:33:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012b01c1a44c$205d26d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:25:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! I don't have Cakewalk but I'd like to see what this looks like. Can somebody send me a screen-shot? Like a JPEG? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 15:52:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14146; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:38:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:38:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:32:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <3fSk6D.A.bUD.D3xT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a better idea, why don't you download the SONAR Demo to try the panel out: http://www.cakewalk.com/download/download.asp?Action=DL&PID=110 Best regards, Carl Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! > Subject: RE: Cakewalk StudioWare Panel for Echoplex: GUESS WHAT!!! I don't have Cakewalk but I'd like to see what this looks like. Can somebody send me a screen-shot? Like a JPEG? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 16:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15574; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:48:09 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: music business books From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've disliked most of the books I've seen on the music business because they are mostly written by big label or producer people and don't reflect the real needs of the independent musician or indie label. The Simple Machines guide is a good start (and it's free on the net!) I guess it depends on if you want to know how the major label music works or how it works for the 99% of the rest of us. Kevin On 1/23/02 8:58 AM, "Louis Rossi" wrote: > > Hi LD. > > Sorry for the off topic question. But I was at a bookshop this morning & > they had about 12 books about the music business & my head started to spin. > Does anyone have a favorite they can recommend? > > Cheers > Lou > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 16:26:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17622; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:07:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:07:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music business books Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:00:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 21:00:15.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4C3DBE0:01C1A450] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kevin cheers LOU >From: Kevin Goldsmith >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: OT: music business books >Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:48:09 -0800 > >I've disliked most of the books I've seen on the music business because >they >are mostly written by big label or producer people and don't reflect the >real needs of the independent musician or indie label. The Simple Machines >guide is a good start (and it's free on the net!) > >I guess it depends on if you want to know how the major label music works >or >how it works for the 99% of the rest of us. > > Kevin > >On 1/23/02 8:58 AM, "Louis Rossi" wrote: > > > > > Hi LD. > > > > Sorry for the off topic question. But I was at a bookshop this morning & > > they had about 12 books about the music business & my head started to >spin. > > Does anyone have a favorite they can recommend? > > > > Cheers > > Lou > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > >-- >Unit Circle Media >http://www.unitcircle.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 17:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25112; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:25:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:25:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4F378C.F0A7DAAB@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:31:37 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP vs Repeater References: <20020123142135.UBPZ10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0hrKy.A.S-F.GbzT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > > ...One major plus of the Repeater is the ability to > save loops on a CFC card. > > > > It takes me a while to build a song with drums, bass, > > percussion, keyboards. > > Sometimes I run out of time (and inspiration) to then > > jam over the whole > > mess. Being able to save the work-in-progress for > >another day is a real > > godsend to this horse. > > > True to some extent. However, if you have several loops > that are, perhaps, more oriented to a traditional song > structure (i.e. chorus, verse, et al), then it takes > time to record the whole song (e.g. play the chorus for > n number of measures, play the verse for n number of > measures...). hmm why couldn't you simply "do it in the box" and then fly it over to the recorder? seems like this would give you more options rather than fewer, as you could then augment with more loopage and tracks after that...just a thought... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 18:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27057; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:56:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:56:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c1a460$23c4cbc0$b2ac86cb@lisa> From: "Keith Lang" To: References: Subject: Re: recording Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:48:55 +1100 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3qzyEB.A.6gG.D5zT8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you may not have a sound in socket on the new G4s ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Maraldo To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 AM Subject: Re: recording > Ihave done a lot of analogue audio digitizing with my macs, first > using the built in audio and then with an audiowerk card. i can tell > you that the built in audio (audio in and out) are very very good so > you can use the stock audio path. > > you need an application that will record audio from the input jacks. > something like soundedit, logic audio, peak, etc etc. > > all you do is from the sound control panel select the audio input as > IN, plug in the sources (your edp) and then hit record in the app and > play on the source. when the audio is done hit stop and you should > have an audio file of the audio you just recorded. so a save as... > and save it as an AIFF and that's it. > > plexus > > >hi all, > > i have a question about how to record on my MAC G4. i have never done > >much recording, but i wanted to be able to dump a loop from my EDP onto my > >G4 as a keepsake. what would be an affordable way to get sound from a source > >like my echoplex or a stereo preamp (with 1/4" or mic outs) into my machine? > >what would be an affordable way to edit that sound once i got it onto my > >machine? > > > >sorry if my questions are basic. > > > > > >-- > >rob > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 19:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00698; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:48:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:48:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c1a468$5d22cb80$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20020123142135.UBPZ10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> <3C4F378C.F0A7DAAB@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: EDP vs Repeater Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:47:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well...the basic song structure is just a framework for guitar (and other instrument at times) improvisation. Why improvise leads on the repeater? I can set up a song structure with bass/drums/maybe keys and record it in any kind of incarnation I desire (the longer the better so I can self-indulge). Better to my mind to record leads on recording device (i.e. Cubase, Roland VS) 'cause I can use virtual tracks or multitrack several guitar leads, etc. Later... Butch > paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > > > > ...One major plus of the Repeater is the ability to > > save loops on a CFC card. > > > > > > It takes me a while to build a song with drums, bass, > > > percussion, keyboards. > > > Sometimes I run out of time (and inspiration) to then > > > jam over the whole > > > mess. Being able to save the work-in-progress for > > >another day is a real > > > godsend to this horse. > > > > > > > > > > True to some extent. However, if you have several loops > > that are, perhaps, more oriented to a traditional song > > structure (i.e. chorus, verse, et al), then it takes > > time to record the whole song (e.g. play the chorus for > > n number of measures, play the verse for n number of > > measures...). > > hmm > > why couldn't you simply "do it in the box" and then fly it over to the > recorder? seems like this would give you more options rather than fewer, > as you could then augment with more loopage and tracks after that...just > a thought... > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 19:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02980; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:01:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:01:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.75.97] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cables Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:55:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 23:55:11.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[64DCD540:01C1A469] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Listers, I just bought a bunch of goodies to get me started doing the loop "thing", and was wondering if there is a concensus as to which cables are best for wiring a rack? I use Monster cables for my 4x12 cabs and they seem to work pretty well, but rack wiring is a whole other subject. Thanks for any input! Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 19:52:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07075; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:37:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:37:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c1a46e$5a540c60$3d64f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201232313.SAA29163@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: ADVICE ABOUT MUSIC BUSINESS BOOKS Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:30:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <1PFVsD.A.wgB.8W1T8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WARNING: the following contains incredibly opinionated (though, hopefully well informed, advice about your future dealings with the music industry). It is gratuitous advice so don't waste your breath flaming me if you disagree (although, please disagree if you DO disagree.......the dialectic is what makes this list so great). It is sent out with a lot of heart, but you don't have to take the advice nor will I take offence if you don't. About finding the right music business books, I have this to say: I've been involved in the music business for 25 years. In that time I have been a music business consultant, a manager, a publicist, a band leader, a producer, a performing and recording artist and a sideman. I read every book I could get my hands on about the music business. After all that time, I have one salient piece of advice: Be your own recording label!!! Buy a good PC or Mac computer and invest in enough equipment to make the music that you need to make in your own home. It can be done on a surprisingly small amount of capital investment. Think small!!!! not Big!!! You don't have to have the best monitor speakers: you just need to know how the ones you have sound on many systems. You don't have to have the best microphones: there are several on the market under $350 that are on the biggest selling records on the planet (this might make a really excellent thread: What Are The Great Budget Microphones for both Live Looping and Live Recording). Buy a CD burner and a Scanner and a Printer. Burn your own CDs in small quantities and use them when you need to. Learn how to do simple artwork in the computer environment or, better yet, wrangle some very young, extremely talented computer savvy visual artist who is really inexperienced and let them design your artwork for you. You will be serving them by giving them an opportunity to get their artwork out into the world and they will serve you by providing artwork that doesn't suck extremely inexpensively. Then print it out and color Xerox it. It isn't a fiery print and it isn't state of the art printed artwork but it can look fabulous. Your artwork will only cost a dollar or so per unit and you won't have to make absurd runs of 1,000 copies which most first artists never come close to selling on their first CD. (Another potential thread here: What are some good recommendations for a workable privately owned and inexpensive recording studio set up). Then, burn,print and hand stamp your labels (a $20 kit available at any computer store)onto your CDs, one at a time. You will probably sell from 5 to 10 copies per gig if you did a good job of it and have something compelling to say to an audience This may sound extremely ambitious but in the long run, you will thank me for this advice. There are no lawyers, no A&R people, no record label, no distributor, no extensive manufacturing costs, no studio fees, nada!!!! Trust me, if you sell a couple of thousand copies of your own CD in a grass roots way, you will have record industry people crawling all over you (because it is difficult to do and if you have accomplished it, they will know that they have something worth investing in). Also, take some time and research the keynote speech given to the Digital Music Conference a year or so ago in New York City by the notorious Courtney Love. In it she lays out the financial details of how a freshman pop band can sell 2,000,000 copies of their first CD with a big budget video and make NO MONEY WHATSOEVER!!!! When I sell a CD for $15 I have a profit of between $13 and $14 dollars PER UNIT. The first 350 copies I sold of my Loop.pooL debut CD PAID for my recording studio with change left over and, guess what, the next record will have no overhead at all except the time I spend recording it and the blank CDs and Xeroxed artwork and stick on labels. The good news is that having the CD out there will generate all kinds of income, potentially just because it is out there. I've made about $5,000 off of CD sales (extremely modest, but do you know how many CDs you have to sell to make that kind of profit if you are on an independent label or, god forbid, a major label) but I've made an additional $15,000 from the live gigs/production gigs/soundtrack work and dance commissions that came as a direct result of it's being out there and being reviewed favorably. Whatever you do, be creative and don't pull any punches. Do what is uniquely YOU and don't worry about the market...............there IS NO MARKET!!!! There is however, a burgeoning creative, underground and community oriented group of artists who are starting to subvert the dominant paradigm by doing things themselves;working together to create shows (including, blasphemy of blasphemies, free shows) and house concerts to get new art out to the people. I think this decade is going to be incredibly fertile. I just have a very strong intuition about it. If none of this seems to make sense to you, go buy KASHIF's book. It's pretty good ;-) best of luck in your artistic career, let me hear your CD when it comes out..........we can trade!!! yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 19:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07441; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:41:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:41:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:35:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Cables From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well for me i dont like Monster stuff-it really messes w/ the tone imho... i find that for my setup:<-guitar-pre-rack-power-spkr> the more generic the better.i'm not talkin 'radio schlock' but in my experience most anything at the local music store worx REAl good for me. your mileage may vary. s > > > > Hello Listers, > I just bought a bunch of goodies to get me started > doing the loop "thing", and was wondering if there > is a concensus as to which cables are best for > wiring a rack? I use Monster cables for my 4x12 cabs > and they seem to work pretty well, but rack wiring > is a whole other subject. > Thanks for any input! > Sincerely, > Chris Olden From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:35:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12711; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:20:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:17:10 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP vs Repeater From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c1a468$5d22cb80$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thinking about the whole multi-track thing and having gotten to spend a reasonable amount of time today looping, I realized that the "simple" thing that I want is a way to say "Okay. I like that EDP loop. Let me send it off somewhere else to keep it playing, be faded in and out, etc. while I build a different loop to go with it." I could actually see doing multiple parts like that. I could do some of that with NextLoop, but that makes it possible to get A or A+B but not really B unless recording B wipes out A. Furthermore, I can't play with the balance between the two -- e.g., fade out B and get back to A. (Potentially interesting EDP idea though I have no idea how to trigger it: If you've got multiple loops, provide a way to use one loop as the "audio" input when recording into another. Or provide a way to crossfade in the content from another loop. That way I could set up a little rhythmic loop, NextLoop+Multiply it out into something longer with a lot more going on, and then start restoring the extended loop to match the original rhythmic figure.) I could get a second EDP and certainly have fun with that but in this context, that essentially just leaves me with two mono loopers. That might be okay, but it isn't necessarily ideal since I could envisage wanting to print some stereo effects onto the saved copy. The Repeater seems like overkill but with the restriction that the loops are forced to be the same length (though one can multiply to get there), I could save off 4 mono EDP loops or 2 stereoized EDP loops. Is this how people are using the two together or are there other useful techniques? Question for the EDP experts: Can I readily set things up so that I could switch the EDP footpedal between controlling two EDP's? Could I do this with a simple ABY box? Question for those with both an EDP and a Repeater: How easy is it to move a loop from the EDP onto the Repeater? Question for Matthais (who I know really doesn't want to hear this while trying to go final on LoopIV): Could one add yet another mode for insert that would mean fade between the current loop and the contents of some other loop (e.g., always loop 1 or always the previous loop) using the current feedback value?) Does it become more tractable -- though less fun -- if one insists that the source loop has to consist of a single cycle for the destination loop? That last point won't get me a way to get B alone, but it will create a smoother way to go back from A+B to A. Question for Repeater owners: Could I do this mixing between loops by bouncing tracks on the Repeater? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13508; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:28:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:28:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4F6151.182C1E4E@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:20:17 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? (and the future) References: <23083-3C4EEB05-164@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com William Mcallister wrote: > I'LL get the EDP first > because of the discontinuing scare, but what about the upgrade rumor( > now I'm confused again). The upgrade, from what I've seen mentioned here, has been in beta-test mode for some time, and will likely continue in that mode for some time to come. In other words, it could be a bit longer before the final version of EDP Loop 4 software is out of beta mode and ready to ship; it all depends on the results of any subsequent testing. Once the testing is done and the upgrade is definitively ready, I would strongly suspect that Aurisis Research (Kim and Matthias' company which handles the R&D for the EDP software) will make the upgrade available direct from them, as an EPROM update which is very straightforward and easy to install. This is how they've been handling Loop 3, to service those users who purchased EDP's prior to the release of the last software update five years ago. (Kim or Matthias, please correct me if I'm wrong on this). There's actually a somewhat similar situation with the Repeater, in that the preliminary units shipped with 1.0 software, and the 1.1 edition of the software was released relatively shortly thereafter. Electrix is making the upgrade available via download or CFC card for those users who might have bought (or may still buy) a unit with the 1.0 edition. (Jamie, holler if this isn't accurate). > Then I'll get the Repeater, for its storage > capabilities. There's a lot more to the Repeater than just storage capacity! Just as there's much more to the EDP than just a seamless record-to-overdub architecture. But I agree that the ideal answer, if a person is so inclined, is to get both units. And I would even go so far as to suggest that anyone who has a significant interest in either unit, as well as the sufficient funds to do so, SHOULD pick up both units... and should consider doing so sooner rather than later. A strong show of customer interest at this point in time can make a surprisingly big difference in the long run, if and when it should come time for a company (or a parent company) to think about how far they want to support and pursue the further development of deep-featured looping devices. Now, I'm certainly not trying to imply that either the EDP or the Repeater is on its last legs. But I don't believe that either Gibson or Electrix is raking in money hand over fist from their loopers. These are still fringe products, for the most part, and a lot of people don't even understand what they DO, let alone how they might go about integrating them into their own music making. One thing I've learned over five and a half years of being on this list is that a "normal consumer" has a surprisingly large amount of power when it comes to helping to determine the course that a product will take: both in terms of their feedback to the designers/manufacturers, and in terms of their basic purchasing power. So, I'm not saying a person should go bankrupt buying a bunch of gear they aren't doing to use. But if you do have any substantial curiosity about any of the serious looping devices, I definitely encourage you to take a hands-on look at the gear, get a sense of what it can do for you, and consider making an investment in both your own music making, and the long-term potential for the development of looping gear. Rant over! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 21:07:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15827; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:52:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:52:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Cables Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:52:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For your rack? George L cable. It is solderless. Two snips and two screws to turn and you have a custom cable of any length with kick ass sound quality. They are also half the thickness of standard cable and are much easier to manage in a rack set up. Give them a try! -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Chris Olden [mailto:chrisolden@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cables Hello Listers, I just bought a bunch of goodies to get me started doing the loop "thing", and was wondering if there is a concensus as to which cables are best for wiring a rack? I use Monster cables for my 4x12 cabs and they seem to work pretty well, but rack wiring is a whole other subject. Thanks for any input! Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 21:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18015; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:04:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:04:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:57:29 EST Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? (and the future) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f3.15281cc3.2980c409_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f3.15281cc3.2980c409_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/02 8:25:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: > , I'm not saying a person should go bankrupt buying a bunch of gear > correct me if im old but what you can get for the buck now a daze is sooo far beyond what was going on when i had loose scoot.....i look at what i have purchased over the past 4-5 years and it is "light years" ahead of what i did for the first 35 years of lusting after boxes.....if i were more footloose and fancyfree, i would be blinded by the blinkin lites.....but then again, id bet that "puff the magic dragon" was played more today than any song i ever wrote.....:)m --part1_f3.15281cc3.2980c409_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/02 8:25:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes:


    , I'm not saying a person should go bankrupt buying a bunch of gear


    correct me if im old but what you can get for the buck now a daze is sooo far beyond what was going on when i had loose scoot.....i look at what i have purchased over the  past 4-5 years and it is "light years" ahead of what i did for the first 35 years of lusting after boxes.....if i were more footloose and fancyfree, i would be blinded by the blinkin lites.....but then again, id bet that "puff the magic dragon" was played more today than any song i ever wrote.....:)m     --part1_f3.15281cc3.2980c409_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 22:52:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26974; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:37:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:37:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Cables Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:31:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c1a487$a0b94080$1e2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second this- you can make 10 cables in the time it takes to solder 1. They are a snap to fix, and I love that they are so thin. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > For your rack? George L cable. It is solderless. Two snips > and two screws to turn and you have a custom cable of any > length with kick ass sound quality. They are also half the > thickness of standard cable and are much easier to manage in > a rack set up. Give them a try! > > -- > Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 23:20:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30384; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:00:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:00:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.70.13] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ADVICE ABOUT MUSIC BUSINESS BOOKS Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:53:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 03:53:17.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7CF3020:01C1A48A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second everything Rick Walker posted about: Be your own recording label!!! Buy a good PC or Mac computer and invest in enough >equipment to make the music that you need to make in your own home. It can >be done on a surprisingly small amount of capital investment. Think >small!!!! not Big!!! >I think this decade is going to be incredibly fertile. I just have a very >strong >intuition about it. > Rick prodded and advised me to do just this for sometime, and I finally did...and guess what? Last week I finished my first solo bass looping CD (some of you whom I met at NAMM got copies...what d'ya think?). Recorded and burned at home...my own graphics etc. VERY low production costs!!! It's actually only been "done" (real copies made and ready for purchase) since Monday, and I have already sold 20!!! Good advice, Rick......I cannot thank you enough. Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 23:47:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00593; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:32:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:32:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1a45c$91d66d20$19f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Cables Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:23:17 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use evidence audio (www.evidenceaudio.com) for all my guitar needs. i'm working on a rack right now, so i may just buy some bulk wire from tony and build cables as i need them. another option for custom-wiring things such as racks or pedalboards is george l cables. monster really stinks...really noisy and not worth the inflated price at all. if you want top-of-the line stuff, look for pure silver cables. only a few manufacturers produce this and it's VERY expensive. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 00:13:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02506; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:58:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:58:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c1a460$21ddbc40$19f8c440@g0wn7> From: "JAMES R FOWLER, III" To: Subject: sound sculpture switchblade Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:48:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody got one of these? if so, how do they complare to bradshaw's switcher (custom audio electronics)? supposedly, the switchblade is the only one that can actually move the effects around in the signal path (a must for what i'm doing). i think robert fripp uses (used) one, but i don't think he's fielding gear questions. thanks. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 00:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03941; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:02:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:02:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.72.129] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cables Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:54:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 04:54:49.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[40DCE250:01C1A493] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listerz, Thanks to everyone who's responded to my cable query. It's looking like I may have to pick up some George L's cable. Interesting note; I've not had any problems with my Monster Cable speaker cables I use for my 4x12 cabs. Do they make different grades or usage types? Mine work fine. Hmmmm... Another question; When wiring your rack, do you try to keep all the power cables from the rack units all on one side of the rack? Any other wiring bug-a-boos to watch out for? Thanks again! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 02:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15931; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Better StudioWare Panel For Echoplex (with Loop buttons) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:09:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1A462.F48CC120" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011801c1a30d$6fae97e0$e064f93f@dnlsh01> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1A462.F48CC120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I improved the panel, cleaned it up, made the buttons and faders go to the MIDI out instead of assigned to a specific track and >>>added buttons to select loops 1 thru 9<<<. A more fully developed version of the Cakewalk Panel that, as before, you must modify to fit your settings. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAEwAAAAAAAAAAj2dkFIH3zxGypQCqAGHqXQAAAAA= ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1A462.F48CC120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 03:06:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18452; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:52:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:52:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:44:26 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dave Smith's new synth at NAMM In-reply-to: <113.b3a3e18.297d9311@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1200264155==_ma============" References: <113.b3a3e18.297d9311@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-ozNRD.A.LZE.mu7T8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1200264155==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:51 AM -0500 1/21/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >richard.....what did you think of this item?.....:)m I was impressed by both the AdrenaLinn and Dave's synthesizer. I would have to hear AdrenaLinn under better circumstances to judge whether it's a serious alternative to the POD or other amp modelers. The filter functions rock, though. Dave's synthesizer, though not quite finished, seems to be a serious contender. Bear in mind that it is monophonic, but it does seem to have a quality all its own (or rather, a number of distinctive sounds). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1200264155==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Dave Smith's new synth at NAMM
    At 10:51 AM -0500 1/21/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

    richard.....what did you think of this item?.....:)m

    I was impressed by both the AdrenaLinn and Dave's synthesizer. I would have to hear AdrenaLinn under better circumstances to judge whether it's a serious alternative to the POD or other amp modelers. The filter functions rock, though.

    Dave's synthesizer, though not quite finished, seems to be a serious contender. Bear in mind that it is monophonic, but it does seem to have a quality all its own (or rather, a number of distinctive sounds).
    --

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    --============_-1200264155==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 04:26:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26013; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:11:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003901c1a460$21ddbc40$19f8c440@g0wn7> References: <003901c1a460$21ddbc40$19f8c440@g0wn7> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:09:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: sound sculpture switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there! I'm a very enthusiast owner of the SwitchBlade GL. Just say that you can forget anything else. 16 ins and 16 outs totally patchable, including 4 relays to switch channels etc, continuos controllers, LFO, 16 channels MIDI matrix, computer control, and some others cool features. Audio quality is simply great. Technical support is probably the best i ever found, even before buying it. I'll take it with me even in heaven/hell when i'll be dead. If you have a quite large setup and/or if you want/need to change your signal path, from guitars/pedals/pre-amps/fx and whatever, it is definively the right choice. You can't find out a so flexible unit on the market. Ask Pete Cornish for a similar piece of gear, and sell your '72 Porsche 911 only to let him start thinking about it ;-) Btw - i'm NOT a rep of SoundSculpture! there should be my face on their website in the section switchBlade/users anyway hehe. HTH Doei Faisal >anybody got one of these? if so, how do they complare to bradshaw's >switcher (custom audio electronics)? supposedly, the switchblade is the >only one that can actually move the effects around in the signal path (a >must for what i'm doing). i think robert fripp uses (used) one, but i don't >think he's fielding gear questions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 04:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28155; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:41:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:41:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c1a4ba$da170aa0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Better StudioWare Panel For Echoplex (with Loop buttons) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:38:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Gary- I'm new to Cakewalk- I can see there is midi data going out the correct port when I press the buttons but the EDP is not reacting- would you mind giving a few more details on setup? Thanks- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:09 PM Subject: Better StudioWare Panel For Echoplex (with Loop buttons) > I improved the panel, cleaned it up, made the buttons and faders go to the > MIDI out instead of assigned to a specific track and >>>added buttons to > select loops 1 thru 9<<<. A more fully developed version of the Cakewalk > Panel that, as before, you must modify to fit your settings. > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 05:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32751; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:28:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:28:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c1a4c1$979ee1a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP vs Repeater Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:26:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EDP uses standard mono 1/4" cable- an A/B box should work fine- remember if you are using 2 EDP linked for stereo you only need 1 foot controller- it controls both at the same time- As for moving loops from EDP to Repeater it is simple- my setup right now is EDP right into Repeater- both are midi synced to various items- mostly a Korg ES-1 tho- I just create loops on the EDP and record into Repeater whenever- I recently made something cool by loading 4 diff loops in EDP and recording them to Rptr as I scrolled through them in time with the midi tempo- switchquant was off so scrolling through them you just get little snippets- kind of like an arpeggiated analog synth depending on the sound of the loops- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: Re: EDP vs Repeater > > Question for the EDP experts: Can I readily set things up so that I could > switch the EDP footpedal between controlling two EDP's? Could I do this with > a simple ABY box? > > Question for those with both an EDP and a Repeater: How easy is it to move a > loop from the EDP onto the Repeater? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 08:36:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16326; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:19:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:19:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c1a4d7$ec442f60$77d81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <003901c1a460$21ddbc40$19f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: sound sculpture switchblade Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:06:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C1A4D7.EA4E2BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C1A4D7.EA4E2BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a swirchblade gl as well and i agree with faisal - a fantastic = piece of equipment. As for how it compares with the bradshaw stuff i've never tried any so i = dont know David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C1A4D7.EA4E2BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I have a swirchblade = gl  as well=20 and i agree with faisal -  a fantastic piece of = equipment.
    As for how it compares = with the=20 bradshaw stuff i've never tried any so i dont know
     
    David
     
    one less than none
    http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
    ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C1A4D7.EA4E2BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 10:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27654; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:12:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:12:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Thu, 24 Jan 02 09:27:37 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:03:58 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Cables (1/4" connectors, Mostly OT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA27064 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All. On the topic of cables, does anyone have an economical source for switchcraft 280 plugs or similar? Economical meaning $1.50 or less/unit. I'm looking to buy 50+ units. Thanks -Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 12:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08301; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:26:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:26:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQTZnJthGREnvI9NIh9CGWoytBzcgIUVayS18KuoR7yfCMyIyKS0R6rUm4= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:20:14 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? (and the future) Message-ID: <411-3C50424E-1187@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Nemoguitt@aol.com's message of Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:57:29 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did you really write Puff the magic dragon? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 12:43:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08002; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:23:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:23:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C504135.67B87672@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:15:33 -0500 From: Fruity Loopz Reply-To: PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net Organization: Fruity Loopz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3zVWIC.A.W0B.AFEU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 13:33:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14111; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: StudioWare Panel For Echoplex Customization Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:12:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000f01c1a4ba$da170aa0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's some more info-- There are three settings that need to be tailored to each person's setup. I will call these these three things are MIDI Channel, Information type, and values. The first is the channel number you have the Echoplex set to. All of the buttons and faders in the StudioWare Panel should reflect your channel. The second is info type. The Echoplex is controllable thru MIDI by either note information or continuous controllers. I have opted for note on for my own reasons. Select the info type which you use. Lastly is the value of the info type that corresponds to the settings in the EDP. For example, I have the loop triggers starting at note 36 (I think that is standard, C3). This is user defineable, so many people (like myself) may have changed their values. I have EDP volume on controller 8 and feedback on controller 65--I think these are one off from the default. I reckon I could have made everything easier by setting the panel up with the defaults--guess I'll try that next. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 13:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16210; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:39:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:39:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Cakewalk Panel with Defaults Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:33:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1A4C2.887404C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <011801c1a30d$6fae97e0$e064f93f@dnlsh01> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1284W.A.zyD.NNFU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1A4C2.887404C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is the panel with the default settings. 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AAAAAAABAAAAAwAAAACPZ2QUgffPEbKlAKoAYepdAAAAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1A4C2.887404C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 14:17:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19888; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:02:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:02:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c1a508$d4a9be20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: StudioWare Panel For Echoplex Customization Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:56:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <_-U8L.A.OaE.IjFU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Gary- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: StudioWare Panel For Echoplex Customization > Here's some more info-- > There are three settings that need to be tailored to each person's setup. I > will call these these three things are MIDI Channel, Information type, and > values. > The first is the channel number you have the Echoplex set to. All of the > buttons and faders in the StudioWare Panel should reflect your channel. > The second is info type. The Echoplex is controllable thru MIDI by either > note information or continuous controllers. I have opted for note on for my > own reasons. Select the info type which you use. > Lastly is the value of the info type that corresponds to the settings in the > EDP. For example, I have the loop triggers starting at note 36 (I think > that is standard, C3). This is user defineable, so many people (like > myself) may have changed their values. I have EDP volume on controller 8 > and feedback on controller 65--I think these are one off from the default. > I reckon I could have made everything easier by setting the panel up with > the defaults--guess I'll try that next. > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 15:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23948; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:58:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:58:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5065A4.2CA75563@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:51:00 -0500 From: Fruity Loopz Reply-To: PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net Organization: Fruity Loopz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton Live a sEriOuS contender! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4jupeB.A.awF.rWGU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -- I've been playing with Ableton Live all weekend and all I can say is WOW! I've never ever used software that is so intuitive equally for live use or for composing. Actually, the irony is that I can see using this tool as much for composing and multitracking & dropping cubase 5.0 in favor of this tool's quick composing. The one feature that still has me knocked flat on my backside is the ability toflawlessly change time signatures and tempos of my loops. Pretty f#%$ing amazing! Look out as that 4/4 groove becomes a 6/8 waltz or a 5/4 mind f#$%! all without tedious time consuming resampling and production through ancillary software tools. Like I said - still reeling! This tool just can't be compared to the failed Phrazer. Even Acid pales in comparison. The one downside is needing to dedicate a midi floorboard to control all the functions. Can't imagine Radial surpassing Live but I am eager to try it once it's released. bob[noxious] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 16:44:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31445; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b901c1a4ea$926b69a0$3af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <003901c1a460$21ddbc40$19f8c440@g0wn7> <002c01c1a4d7$ec442f60$77d81f3e@snowmonster> Subject: Re: sound sculpture switchblade Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:19:51 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C1A4EA.91832C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C1A4EA.91832C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do the switchblade units come with a pedalboard or do you have to buy = one seperately? if so, what recommendations do you have for a good = pedalboard. as well, i don't think i'll need 16 patches...i think 8 will work just = fine. i only have 3 effects as of right now anyhow. jim ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C1A4EA.91832C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    do the switchblade units come with a pedalboard or = do you have=20 to buy one seperately?  if so, what recommendations do you have for = a good=20 pedalboard.
     
    as well, i don't think i'll need 16 patches...i = think 8 will=20 work just fine.  i only have 3 effects as of right now = anyhow.
     
    jim
    ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C1A4EA.91832C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 16:56:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32362; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:41:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:41:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: WKlein8318@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.21cbbe9c.2981d7c8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:34:00 EST Subject: Re: Dave Smith's new synth at NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 02-01-24 02:48:39 EST, you write: << Dave's synthesizer, though not quite finished, seems to be a serious contender. >> Who would carry such a beast? Roger Linn's Co., or a resurrected Seq. Cic.s? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 17:30:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03721; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:15:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:15:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:12:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh William! If the following things are true for you, I'd get a Repeater. 1. You want to be able to save loops for later playing. 2. You want to be able to play your loops from a midi controller (much like you would a normal sampler)over a 3 octave range. 3. You can live with the three button footswitch, until you integrate a midi footcontroller into your rig. (you are limited to Record/Overdub,Stop/Start,and Undo/Redone, with the 3 button footswitch) 4. You can live without the instant overdub capability a alaA the EDP. 5. You would rather support an innovative, small company like Electrix, or a much larger corporate entity like Gibson ( who makes the EDP,correct me if I'm wrong) and has built a reputation of buying up small innovative companies and running them into the ground (see Opcode, among others). Either way, they are both worthy devices, and one could argue that Gibson resurrected the EDP, though for how long I don't know. Good Luck, Bill Walker Disclaimer: I have never owned an EDP, I have checked them out thoroughly however, and I was never too impressed by the footswitch which seemed suspiciously like an ADA footswitch, and a bit flimsy. I always relied on a jamman which only had four button footswitch live capability( unless you used a midi pedal),so the repeater doesn't strike me, as it does some loopers as a particularly cumbersome live tool. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 17:47:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04937; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:32:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:32:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:21:53 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dave Smith's new synth at NAMM In-reply-to: <5b.21cbbe9c.2981d7c8@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5b.21cbbe9c.2981d7c8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:34 PM -0500 1/24/02, WKlein8318@aol.com wrote: >Who would carry such a beast? Roger Linn's Co., or a resurrected Seq. Cic.s? The former seems more likely, but there was no definitive answer from Dave. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 17:58:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05655; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:43:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:43:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c1a528$1592c660$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:40:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the fact that Gibson bought Oberheim/Trace Elliot and has kept the EDP alive is a good thing. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Walker," To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: RE:EDP or REPEATER? > Heh William! > > If the following things are true for you, I'd get a Repeater. > 1. You want to be able to save loops for later playing. > 2. You want to be able to play your loops from a midi controller (much like > you would a normal sampler)over a 3 octave range. > 3. You can live with the three button footswitch, until you integrate a > midi footcontroller into your rig. (you are limited to > Record/Overdub,Stop/Start,and Undo/Redone, with the 3 button footswitch) > 4. You can live without the instant overdub capability a alaA the EDP. > 5. You would rather support an innovative, small company like Electrix, or > a much larger corporate entity like Gibson ( who makes the EDP,correct me > if I'm wrong) > and has built a reputation of buying up small innovative companies and > running them into the ground (see Opcode, among others). > > Either way, they are both worthy devices, and one could argue that Gibson > resurrected the EDP, though for how long I don't know. > Good Luck, > Bill Walker > > > Disclaimer: I have never owned an EDP, I have checked them out thoroughly > however, and I was never too impressed by the footswitch which seemed > suspiciously like an ADA footswitch, and a bit flimsy. I always relied on a > jamman which only had four button footswitch live capability( unless you > used a midi pedal),so the repeater doesn't strike me, as it does some > loopers as a particularly cumbersome live tool. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 18:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06656; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:54:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:54:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124142522.01e57930@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:46:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE:EDP or REPEATER? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd say that Aurisis (Matthias, Kim and Eric) is an innovative, very small company too. At 02:12 PM 2002/01/24 -0800, Bill wrote: >5. You would rather support an innovative, small company like Electrix, or >a much larger corporate entity like Gibson ( who makes the EDP,correct me >if I'm wrong) >and has built a reputation of buying up small innovative companies and >running them into the ground (see Opcode, among others). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 18:13:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07008; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:58:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:58:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020124165059.0082eb90@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:50:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Cubase VST and EDP Sync Issues - Help Please Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I use Cubase VST. I want to sync the EDP so the loop is timed to a BPM/tempo setting in Cubase. My hope is to play a loop and have the start and ending pint coincide exactly with the BPM/tempo I've set in Cubase. The problem has been that my loops, composed on the EDP, don't seem to track well when I record them into Cubase. Yes, it could be my timing, but I do compose to a click track and feel that I'm usually on the money. But, the loop still doesn't line up correctly in Cubase after recording it into Cubase. Thus, my question about syncing the EDP to Cubase. Help please. Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 18:44:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10245; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:30:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:30:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <84.2237e400.2981f12a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:22:18 EST Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? (and the future) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_84.2237e400.2981f12a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_84.2237e400.2981f12a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 12:22:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes: > Did you really write Puff the magic dragon? Bill > > as a matter of fact, i did but it was stolen from me and credit was given elsewhere.....so it goes.....originally it was called "puff the magic cigarette" back in the daze when smoking was good for you.....how times change.....:)m --part1_84.2237e400.2981f12a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 12:22:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes:


    Did you really write Puff the magic dragon? Bill



    as a matter of fact, i did but it was stolen from me and credit was given elsewhere.....so it goes.....originally it was called "puff the magic cigarette" back in the daze when smoking was good for you.....how times change.....:)m     --part1_84.2237e400.2981f12a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 19:13:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11533; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:58:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:58:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C509EF5.6EF21D7@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:58:47 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ADVICE ABOUT MUSIC BUSINESS, ETC. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max valentino wrote: > I second everything Rick Walker posted about: > > Be your own recording label!!! Buy a good PC or Mac computer and invest in > enough > >equipment to make the music that you need to make in your own home. It can > >be done on a surprisingly small amount of capital investment. Think > >small!!!! not Big!!! > > >I think this decade is going to be incredibly fertile. I just have a very > >strong > >intuition about it. > > > Rick prodded and advised me to do just this for sometime, and I finally > did...and guess what? Last week I finished my first solo bass looping CD > (some of you whom I met at NAMM got copies...what d'ya think?). Recorded and > burned at home...my own graphics etc. VERY low production costs!!! > It's actually only been "done" (real copies made and ready for purchase) > since Monday, and I have already sold 20!!! > > Good advice, Rick......I cannot thank you enough. > Max and while you're at it, pick up a free subscription to tape op magazine. i guarantee it will be the best $0 you've spent in a long time (or you money back :-) www.tapeop.com lance g. ps: btw i don't receive referral fees from tape op....let's see, 8% of $0 is, uh... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 19:31:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13582; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:16:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:16:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:09:36 -0800 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: ADVICE ABOUT MUSIC BUSINESS, ETC. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <3C509EF5.6EF21D7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020124160937-r01010800-ad7b1fca-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.8 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: <6_Msj.A.BND.BJKU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! Seconded. I am in the middle of building a home studio and TapeOp has been and invaluable resource. The TapeOp book is excellent too. -Greg On 1/24/02 at 3:58 PM, baumhaus@earthlink.net (lance glover) wrote: > > and while you're at it, pick up a free subscription to tape op magazine. i > guarantee it will be the best $0 you've spent in a long time (or you money back > :-) > > www.tapeop.com > > lance g. > > ps: btw i don't receive referral fees from tape op....let's see, 8% of $0 is, > uh... > > > > _______________________________________________________________ "Heaven is all around, Translated to sound" -Michael Hedges From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 19:47:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14336; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:32:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: ADVICE ABOUT MUSIC BUSINESS, ETC. Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:16:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020124160937-r01010800-ad7b1fca-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Home studio is the coolest thing in the world (next to adventure travel and new love affairs, etc). Only problem is you get so into writing playing and tweaking your own music that you're reluctant to engineer or produce paid sessions for others. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 19:55:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14969; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:41:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <139.8437a44.29820209@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:34:17 EST Subject: Re: Ableton Live a sEriOuS contender! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_139.8437a44.29820209_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_139.8437a44.29820209_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 2:52:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: > Look out as > that 4/4 groove becomes a 6/8 waltz this is what scares me.....composition seems to become more dependent on the depth of my programs (almost "chance" composition) than on my own ability to work with notes, sounds, the building blocks of music.....how often do i compose a 6/8 waltz as compared to a 4/4 groove?....i do not mean this as any kind of slam, i would love to get lost in the never ending options available in all these cool sounding programs, my major concern for "myself" is, can i call the end product of sending a loop from my rang thru a bunch o filters etc. a "composition"? its more like an unrepeatable event.....i feel like the kid in the candy store who ate one too many bon-bons after a knob twisting session.....perhaps its the word "composition" thats got me befuddled.....i was just thinking the other day "i hate my music in fact i hate all music" i want a new drug!.....but for the life of me i couldnt find anything to replace the "music" (whatever that is) with.....maybe exercise.....nahhh....:)m --part1_139.8437a44.29820209_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 2:52:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes:


    Look out as
    that 4/4 groove becomes a 6/8 waltz


    this is what scares me.....composition seems to become more dependent on the depth of my programs (almost "chance" composition) than on my own ability to work with notes, sounds, the building blocks of music.....how often do i compose a 6/8 waltz as compared to a 4/4 groove?....i do not mean this as any kind of slam, i would love to get lost in the never ending options available in all these cool sounding programs, my major concern for "myself" is, can i call the end product of sending a loop from my rang thru a bunch o filters etc. a "composition"? its more like an unrepeatable event.....i feel like the kid in the candy store who ate one too many bon-bons after a knob twisting session.....perhaps its the word "composition" thats got me befuddled.....i was just thinking the other day "i hate my music in fact i hate all music" i want a new drug!.....but for the life of me i couldnt find anything to replace the "music" (whatever that is) with.....maybe exercise.....nahhh....:)m     --part1_139.8437a44.29820209_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 20:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18661; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:35:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:35:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: was - Re: Ableton Live a sEriOuS contender! Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:36:02 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a549$07d85be0$116b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips - -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Ableton Live a sEriOuS contender! >> Look out as >> that 4/4 groove becomes a 6/8 waltz > >this is what scares me.....composition seems to become more dependent on the >depth of my programs (almost "chance" composition) than on my own ability to >work with notes, sounds, the building blocks of music.....how often do i >compose a 6/8 waltz as compared to a 4/4 groove?....i do not mean this as any >kind of slam, i would love to get lost in the never ending options available >in all these cool sounding programs, my major concern for "myself" is, can i >call the end product of sending a loop from my rang thru a bunch o filters >etc. a "composition"? its more like an unrepeatable event.....i feel like the >kid in the candy store who ate one too many bon-bons after a knob twisting >session.....perhaps its the word "composition" thats got me befuddled.....i >was just thinking the other day "i hate my music in fact i hate all music" i >want a new drug!.....but for the life of me i couldnt find anything to >replace the "music" (whatever that is) with.....maybe >exercise.....nahhh....:)m > hmm, i'm lucky then. I steered clear of computer music. totally out of that loop. I record live through (sometimes) a mixer onto MasterLink, FD8, dat, new dvmedia. I never got what running through mazes on a screen did for anyone. I love tweaking things while I play and getting rid of a creak or footstep just isn't worth the loss of communication for me. But studio-personification is something that is a character in the music for me lately, and I like to mic, yes I do. So this works fine for me but to each his reach. or failing that idea: just play for yourself and don't record it until you hear yourself playing your instrument (whatever tool that may be). best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 20:50:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18702; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:35:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:35:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c1a53f$90769de0$4e63f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201241854.NAA17899@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: Adrenalinn Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:28:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3y2wTC.A.NfE.4SLU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got an extensive demo and got to use the Adrenalinn at Union Grove Music in Santa Cruz. The filter algorhythms are great (including two bar changing melodic arpegiations). Considering the price (I heard $399 list) this is an incredible unit for a beginning instrumentalist to get there time together: a drum maching, filter delays, amp modeling, etc. My huge beef, however is that the drum sounds sound like they come from a completely 1980's sensibility (which they probably do). In all fairness, I didn't listen to all of them and didn't have time to listen to the electronic ones (which are the one's after my own heart). Still and all, everybody (5 people) listening to the demo all made disparaging comments about the samples being used. considering what's in this unit, it is a small beef, but it keeps it from being a very usuable piece of pro gear pour moi. just my two cents. Rick Walker P.S. I'm a single line guitarist only (i.e., a dilettante) but I was getting some wicked cool filter delays out of playing harmonics, unisons, slaps and pull offs and scrapes on the strings. It did beautiful things to simple 1/3/5 power chords just held open. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 21:14:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21882; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:53:32 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: Cables In-Reply-To: <200201240729.CAA16857@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Another question; >When wiring your rack, do you try to keep all the power >cables from the rack units all on one side of the rack? >Any other wiring bug-a-boos to watch out for? That'd be a lot easier if manufacturers would all standardize where they put the audio and power connectors... When putting together rack gear, it seems that the quickest thing to do is load everything so that the you've got a piece of gear with a power supply on the right just above something with the audio on the right, and so on (i.e. exactly the thing that all experts tell you to avoid for best audio results). When you turn your rack around around and look at the front, you'll find everything's in the most convenient spot. Seriously though, I put everything where's it's most convenient, and route things as best I can. Then turn everything on--you may not have any buzz or hum problems (using those plastic washers on all the mounting screws may also help). If there is a buzz, I try to move as few things as possible from the optimum user interface position I've established. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 21:22:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22410; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:07:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:07:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c1a545$52fca4e0$dabd9318@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Luden" To: "Andre LaFosse" , References: <3C4F6151.182C1E4E@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? (and the future) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:09:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No one has mentioned price. What is the difference in price between the EDP vs REPEATER? And where is the best place to buy them? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? (and the future) > William Mcallister wrote: > > > I'LL get the EDP first > > because of the discontinuing scare, but what about the upgrade rumor( > > now I'm confused again). > > The upgrade, from what I've seen mentioned here, has been in beta-test > mode for some time, and will likely continue in that mode for some time > to come. In other words, it could be a bit longer before the final > version of EDP Loop 4 software is out of beta mode and ready to ship; it > all depends on the results of any subsequent testing. > > Once the testing is done and the upgrade is definitively ready, I would > strongly suspect that Aurisis Research (Kim and Matthias' company which > handles the R&D for the EDP software) will make the upgrade available > direct from them, as an EPROM update which is very straightforward and > easy to install. This is how they've been handling Loop 3, to service > those users who purchased EDP's prior to the release of the last > software update five years ago. (Kim or Matthias, please correct me if > I'm wrong on this). > > There's actually a somewhat similar situation with the Repeater, in that > the preliminary units shipped with 1.0 software, and the 1.1 edition of > the software was released relatively shortly thereafter. Electrix is > making the upgrade available via download or CFC card for those users > who might have bought (or may still buy) a unit with the 1.0 edition. > (Jamie, holler if this isn't accurate). > > > Then I'll get the Repeater, for its storage > > capabilities. > > There's a lot more to the Repeater than just storage capacity! Just as > there's much more to the EDP than just a seamless record-to-overdub > architecture. > > But I agree that the ideal answer, if a person is so inclined, is to get > both units. And I would even go so far as to suggest that anyone who > has a significant interest in either unit, as well as the sufficient > funds to do so, SHOULD pick up both units... and should consider doing > so sooner rather than later. > > A strong show of customer interest at this point in time can make a > surprisingly big difference in the long run, if and when it should come > time for a company (or a parent company) to think about how far they > want to support and pursue the further development of deep-featured > looping devices. > > Now, I'm certainly not trying to imply that either the EDP or the > Repeater is on its last legs. But I don't believe that either Gibson or > Electrix is raking in money hand over fist from their loopers. These > are still fringe products, for the most part, and a lot of people don't > even understand what they DO, let alone how they might go about > integrating them into their own music making. > > One thing I've learned over five and a half years of being on this list > is that a "normal consumer" has a surprisingly large amount of power > when it comes to helping to determine the course that a product will > take: both in terms of their feedback to the designers/manufacturers, > and in terms of their basic purchasing power. > > So, I'm not saying a person should go bankrupt buying a bunch of gear > they aren't doing to use. But if you do have any substantial curiosity > about any of the serious looping devices, I definitely encourage you to > take a hands-on look at the gear, get a sense of what it can do for you, > and consider making an investment in both your own music making, and the > long-term potential for the development of looping gear. > > Rant over! > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 21:57:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24752; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:41:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:41:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Cables Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:41:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <64a7z.A.y4F.sRMU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use monster for my speaker set up and I dig them! I just couldn't imagine setting up a whole rack of that stuff after using thinner, customizable, repairable, solderless cable. The only thing George L's don't do well is guitar cable. They get tangled in a heartbeat. They are best for stationary setups. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Chris Olden [mailto:chrisolden@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 8:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cables Listerz, Thanks to everyone who's responded to my cable query. It's looking like I may have to pick up some George L's cable. Interesting note; I've not had any problems with my Monster Cable speaker cables I use for my 4x12 cabs. Do they make different grades or usage types? Mine work fine. Hmmmm... Another question; When wiring your rack, do you try to keep all the power cables from the rack units all on one side of the rack? Any other wiring bug-a-boos to watch out for? Thanks again! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 21:57:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24880; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:41:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:41:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020125023529.26087.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:35:29 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #39 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: philip raath In-Reply-To: <200201250149.UAA20191@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: ADVICE ABOUT MUSIC BUSINESS, ETC. > > max valentino wrote: > > > I second everything Rick Walker posted about: > > > > Be your own recording label!!! ... > and while you're at it, pick up a free > subscription to tape op magazine. This is a great thread! I am also thankful to Phil on this list for introducing me to TapeOp. It's really helped me. I am very inspired by all the people who are doing it themselves, and I'm trying to figure out how to do this myself. I can offer two great resources that I've found: 1) Berklee School of Music Tip of the Day (through Harmony Central): http://www.berkleepress.com/tips/default.shtml They offer daily tips sent to your e-mail on whatever topics you choose. I've found the production and engineering tips to be most helpful. I keep the ones that are helpful and delete the rest. 2) Sara Ayers' DIY page: http://www.saraayers.com/mlinks.htm This page was the kick-in-the-ass I needed to get back into making music again. Chock full of good info. 3) The only book I've really ever read (partially) on this subject: Diane Sward Rappaport's "How to Make and Sell Your Own Recordings." She's put out several editions of this book. Targeted to independent musicians. So the story goes, Loreena McKennitt read it and applied its advice to start Quinlan Road Records. Hope these are helpful! Actually, the very best resource I've found so far are the threads and discussions on THIS LIST!! Mary Jane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 22:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29395; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:32:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A550.1BEA452E" Subject: OT : looking for shallow rack case Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:26:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT : looking for shallow rack case Thread-Index: AcGkqsS0Y/0qz457QXaiYBPHYuuSmQApNIaA From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A550.1BEA452E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been looking all over for a 6 to 10 space _shallow_ equiptment rack. Has SKB discontinued them? The places I've been looking act like they've never heard of that size and yet I've got a 6 space 10.5" deep rack right here. I just need another as the rig keeps growing. =20 Thanks -Bill=20 NYC ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A550.1BEA452E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
    I've = been looking=20 all over for a 6 to 10 space _shallow_ equiptment rack.  Has SKB=20 discontinued them?  The places I've been looking act like = they've=20 never heard of that size and yet I've got a 6 space 10.5" deep rack = right=20 here.  I just need another as the rig keeps = growing.
     
    Thanks
     -Bill=20
     =20 NYC
    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A550.1BEA452E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 23:22:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32261; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:07:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:07:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124142522.01e57930@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:05:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Resent-Message-ID: <6ISIjD.A.nyH.4iNU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I knew I'd catch hell for my Gibson comments. I did not mean to diss Mathias, Kim, Eric or any of the people directly responsible for the EDP. My beef is with Gibson the corporate entity, and their history with other small companies they have dealt with in the past like Opcode, which directly impacted friends of mine, as in loss of job. I also think that Gibson has priced their guitars out of the range of working professionals which I find frustrating and sad. I think the EDP is a wonderfull tool which I may ultimately buy, but I still see Electrix as the David to Gibson's Goliath, and I know they have been struggling and I want to support them in attaining some longevity. cheers Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 23:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32661; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:11:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:11:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:00:00 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT : looking for shallow rack case In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:26 PM -0500 1/24/02, Wolf, Bill wrote: >I've been looking all over for a 6 to 10 space _shallow_ equiptment >rack. Has SKB discontinued them? The places I've been looking act >like they've never heard of that size and yet I've got a 6 space >10.5" deep rack right here. I just need another as the rig keeps >growing. According to their Web site SKB Roto-Racks come in 3 and 5 U sizes in the 8.5 depth. The taller cases seem to be 19 and 20 inches. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 23:55:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02742; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:40:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:40:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: OT : looking for shallow rack case Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:35:24 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c1a559$b513ca50$1e2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also look at Gator Cases, a cheaper but just as well made alterative to SKB. http://www.gatorcases.com/ Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 02:21:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18796; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.20.137] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Cables Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:58:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2002 06:58:47.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC9D7AA0:01C1A56D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmmm.... I use Monsters on everything: my basses, my pedalboard and rack(the short 6 and 12" patch cables) and speakers and really love them. I have tried George L's and they are also very good. But, I had one ( and only one) Monster crap out on me. Took it back to the store and got a new one...no questions, no hassles. To me that is worth the extra expense. Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 03:50:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28445; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:35:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:35:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b901c1a4ea$926b69a0$3af8c440@g0wn7> References: <003901c1a460$21ddbc40$19f8c440@g0wn7> <002c01c1a4d7$ec442f60$77d81f3e@snowmonster> <00b901c1a4ea$926b69a0$3af8c440@g0wn7> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:29:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: sound sculpture switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0B-isD.A.u1G.KeRU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No pedalboards come with it. You can remotely control the SB in 3 ways: 1 - from a computer 2 - from a 2 momemtary buttons pedal. Sb allows you to setup a chain of "most wantedd" presets to recall in this way. 3 - from any MIDI pedalboard. This depends by tastes and needs of course. Personally i have a modified Rocktron MIDImate, but i'm seriously thinking about buying an AllAccess or a Bradshaw one, that allow more controls over chammels, controllers and switches. I guess these are the "top" on the market for their versatility. HTH Doei Faisal >do the switchblade units come with a pedalboard or do you have to >buy one seperately? if so, what recommendations do you have for a >good pedalboard. > >as well, i don't think i'll need 16 patches...i think 8 will work >just fine. i only have 3 effects as of right now anyhow. > >jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 05:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04683; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:20:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:20:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:13:46 EST Subject: Re: Cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c.21f0e83c.298289da_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c.21f0e83c.298289da_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have never had a problem w/ george l.'s used as gtr cables. they sound great and are easy to use. =-) PJ --part1_c.21f0e83c.298289da_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have never had a problem w/ george l.'s used as gtr cables. they sound great and are easy to use. =-) PJ --part1_c.21f0e83c.298289da_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 07:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12385; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:58:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:58:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <160.7a4c2f6.2982a0e4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:52:04 EST Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com chillyb@cruzio.com wrote: >I think the EDP is a wonderfull tool which I may ultimately buy, but I >still see Electrix as the David to Gibson's Goliath, and I know they have >been struggling and I want to support them in attaining some longevity. indeed, it appears to me to be extremely wishful thinking to apply the concept of david's 'conquering hero'-pose to any well-featured live-looping device that's currently manufactured; in essence, i think that if you can afford to buy *either* the edp or the repeater, it's a great time to do so. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 09:48:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25998; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:26:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:26:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5169B9.267EB30C@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:20:41 -0500 From: "bob[noxious]" Reply-To: audiolink@gmx.net Organization: bob[noxious] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: was - Re: Ableton Live a sEriOuS contender! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> this is what scares me.....composition seems to become more dependent on >> the depth of my programs (almost "chance" composition) than on my own >> ability to work with notes, sounds, the building blocks of music.....how >> often do i compose a 6/8 waltz as compared to a 4/4 groove? Well, I like to play syncopated rhythms and non-conventional time signatures quite a bit on guitar. This is why looping and especially organic type looping is perfect for my style. Back to your point - "my own ability to work with notes, sounds, the building blocks of music," What happens when you don't have the luxury of working with a drummer, let alone one that can play outside of pop/rock 4/4? This is where a program like Ableton Live is pure magic. Take that 4/4 Big Fish Audio loop and lock it to your tempo and morph the loop to your time signature - all in under 10 seconds flat. I can't think of a better way to remain purist in terms of allowing yourself to focus on what matters most which is coaxing out your musical creation -repeatable event or otherwise, composition for lack of a better term. Actually, if you don't plan to record at all, or never perform a musical work more than once, you would simply not save the file. I believe hardware loopers like my EDP and the Repeater already have this feature built in for you, well I guess Repeater has a cheesy way of saving to external media and reimporting later. >> I never got what running through mazes on a >> screen did for anyone. I love tweaking things while I play and getting >> rid of a creak or footstep just isn't worth the loss of communication >> for me. This is where Ableton Live excels, no scrolling and a monkey could run the thing without reading a manual. If you do email, you are way past the learning curve. The computer is really no diffenert from a hardware looper, aside from software features. I mean they both have a hardware interface, OS layer, application layer, etc. One has a nice big screen that is very familiar from things like email and word processing, and one does not. There appears to be a recurring theme of favoring a single tool, not necessarily the most intuitive or best for creating non linear music. If we took this notion one step further it would be easy to argue that loop technology never really got better than sitting in a drum circle - no mazes, no menus, simply music in its purist form - linear nonrepeatable improvision. There is a school that believes music should be heard in one's head and any tool, intrument or otherwise impedes the essence of pure thought and imagination. I for one agree that all tools tend to impede the creative process to some degree. The invention of the screw driver was just brilliant - it's difficult to argue otherwise. Even more brilliant was the invention of the electric screw driver, but I bet you didn't felt hindered by this leap in technology and never thought a manual was necessary. I mean, I love my EDP, but this Ableton thing is really a leap in the right direction for loop technology. Don't give up the EDP, but don't give up your passion for looping either. There was a day when people plugged right into an amp without anything but a cord in the chain. bob[noxious] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 09:53:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26437; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.36] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:25:46 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2002 14:25:47.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E53DB10:01C1A5AC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll just get two RC-20's. Cheaper and has the some of the functions of both edp and repeater. The iritating thing about the RC-20 is no feedback control so you end up with sudden silence, remedey for me I think is to fade the outputs back and forth, but will manuel syncing work, I will test the reaction time of my big toe. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 09:56:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26648; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:26:09 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 29 2001) Message-Id: <20020125142609.PEWX3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << I also think that Gibson has priced their guitars out of the range of working professionals which I find frustrating and sad. >> Amen to that! The Les Paul, SG, et al prices ARE ridiculous. Seems to me that it's more of a 'status' thing than a quality (not to disparage the quality of course) or feature thing. Man, there's (or was) a lot of liquidity in this country. Collectors have been buying up guitars, etc. like there's no tomorrow--driving the price up of used and new stuff. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 10:06:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27719; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:44:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:44:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020125143805.38435.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:38:05 -0800 (PST) From: Elizabeth Stewart Subject: Can I be loopy too? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, y'all! My wizardly-guitarist-from-behind-the-curtain-of-Oz says I have to be part of this loopy group OR ELSE!!!! He may even turn me into a newt if I don't-or make me sound like a newt. How do newts sound in Looping situations? ~e~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 10:30:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31296; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:07:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:07:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Crusher-X Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:59:56 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c1a5b0$f3addf10$fe78a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <68MSZD.A.EcH.KMXU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looper Folks, I just ran across this granular synthesis software synth called Crusher X by Jörg Stelkens which I'd like to recommend to anyone interested in strange noise. This thing is available as a stand-alone program or as a VST plugin... www.stelkens.de mfg, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 11:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04585; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:06:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: , Subject: Re: was - Re: Ableton Live a sEriOuS contender! Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:07:00 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a5c2$b4199b20$f56a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snigs-~ -----Original Message----- From: bob[noxious] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: RE: was - Re: Ableton Live a sEriOuS contender! stuff ------ >>> this is what scares me.....composition seems to become more dependent >on >>>sic.....how >epeater has a cheesy way of saving to external media and reimporting >later. > > >>> I never got what running through mazes on a >>> screen did for anyone. I love tweaking things while I play and >getting >>> rid of a creak or footstep just isn't worth the loss of communication > >>> for me. > >This is where Ableton Live excels, no scrolling and a monkey could run >the thing without reading a manual. If you do email, you are way past >the learning curve. The computer is really no diffenert from a hardware >looper, aside from software features. I mean they both have a hardware >interface, OS layer, application layer, etc. One has a nice big screen >that is very familiar from things like email and word processing, and >one does not. actually i was responding to the earlier post and indeed have little interest in certain looping tools is all. my point was more along the lines of "i'm doing just fine sans puter for now and happy to hear some good sounds". my views if any on how computers are utilzed (with)in music are at best my own opinion and at worst irrelevant. > >There appears to be a recurring theme of favoring a single tool, not >necessarily the most intuitive or best for creating non linear music. >If we took this notion one step further it would be easy to argue that snippls>loop technology never really got better than sitting in a drum screw driver was just brilliant - it's difficult to argue otherwise. >Even more brilliant was the invention of the electric screw driver, but >I bet you didn't felt hindered by this leap in technology and never >thought a manual was necessary. > >I mean, I love my EDP, but this Ableton thing is really a leap in the>right direction for loop technology. Don't give up the EDP, but don't>give up your passion for looping either. There was a day when people>plugged right into an amp without anything but a cord in the chain. >bob[noxious] > I kinda play in those days still and it's still an okay place, not very pretty though. looping is cool this way, many different routes to take. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 11:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05433; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c1a5bb$139e66a0$53964e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:12:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Elizabeth wrote: >My wizardly-guitarist-from-behind-the-curtain-of-Oz >says I have to be part of this loopy group OR ELSE!!!! >He may even turn me into a newt if I don't-or make me >sound like a newt. How do newts sound in Looping >situations? they sound like any other newt-bie, but eventually they get the hang of it and eft-erwards sound much better ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 11:47:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06377; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:26:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:26:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAp72SyY/hL22MXauOO/tSJQty4K4CFQCvsztiSiicK6o1c/rCMYc0Av9zYw== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:19:54 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sound sculpture switchblade Message-ID: <16071-3C5185AA-302@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: faisal moro 's message of Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:29:51 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The push button. now that was a great invention. wonder who has the rights to that?Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 12:11:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08810; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:49:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:49:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:38:06 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? In-reply-to: <20020125143805.38435.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020125143805.38435.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <60JXW.A.V_B.DsYU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:38 AM -0800 1/25/02, Elizabeth Stewart wrote: >He may even turn me into a newt if I don't-or make me >sound like a newt. How do newts sound in Looping >situations? If you need a publisher, my company is Newt Music, BMI. My personal record label is Salamander Songs. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 12:16:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09378; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:54:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:54:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAxm97KYUs+i4JwOcN9MQaN3EvWRQCFQCZeMGTmIl9K2lJaQHPMjBSDlb7KQ== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:49:36 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices Message-ID: <16069-3C518CA0-527@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Luden" 's message of Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:09:28 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went to alto music (845-692-6922) EDP $649.99, Repeater $499.99. Regards'Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 12:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09686; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:57:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:57:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FE5@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Am I good enough for my looper? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:51:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's been a long while since I posted, but I've been keeping up with the list by reading the archives on the web. This list constantly stimulates me. I recently got my Repeater (thank you, Alto) and I have to say, the thing scares me to death. I have been only dabbling in loops, it seems. My two DL4s have produced some amazing textures, but this Repeater thing, well, it has frustrated me beyond my coping. Or rather, I have frustrated me. This is the first piece of gear I've owned that hasn't fed the Gear Lust false logic of, "well, if I get this, I'll sound better." It is better than I am. Its capabilities and the vast sonic potential it holds has petrified me and I haven't produced anything I couldn't already have done on the DL4. I know that much, much better can be done. Witness, for example, Mr. Torn's transcendent Splattercell work (btw, I'd love to find out more about Gareth Williams, whose Remiksis track I love). The Repeater is challenging me and I feel I have failed it. How does one make that leap in one's own progress? Music is so personal to me; I am not patient with it and grow easily discontent. A piece of gear I thought I'd torture with use, the Repeater now most often sits in sleep mode, mocking me with long, slow blinks. How do I overcome this? Where is the breakthrough? And in shameless self-promotion mode, I'll tag this missive with my IUMA site, which holds scads of unfinished material I'd love to be listened to by strangers. http://leftofeliot.iuma.com Lindsay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 13:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15605; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:54:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:54:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020125174920.17199.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:49:20 -0800 (PST) From: SRice Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the interest of looping science, how about you DO buy a looper, but DO NOT join the group? You will become a looping-newt, and in a couple months you can share your newt-loops with us. Welcome. Steve >Hey, y'all! > >My wizardly-guitarist-from-behind-the-curtain-of-Oz >says I have to be part of this loopy group OR ELSE!!!! >He may even turn me into a newt if I don't-or make me >sound like a newt. How do newts sound in Looping >situations? > >~e~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 14:16:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21650; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:49:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:49:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125102419.04f0aec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:39:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cables In-Reply-To: References: <200201240729.CAA16857@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:53 PM 1/24/2002, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >Another question; > >When wiring your rack, do you try to keep all the power > >cables from the rack units all on one side of the rack? > >Any other wiring bug-a-boos to watch out for? > >That'd be a lot easier if manufacturers would all standardize where they put >the audio and power connectors... another thing to be careful of are devices using wall warts or line-lumps instead of internal power supplies. Of course you need to be sure to secure them well somewhere in the rack so that they don't go flopping all over the place when you move it, because they break easily. But also realize that wall warts are typically cheaply made and not shielded well, and certainly not designed with a professional audio environment in mind. They radiate a lot of power supply hum into the area around them, so you should be careful to keep them as far away from audio cables as possible. It continues to baffle me why some manufacturers use these things in fairly pricey gear. there's just no excuse for that, imo. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 14:28:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24261; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:07:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:07:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:54:37 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Interactive FX Controller In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1200137203==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1200137203==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://www.mmproductions.co.uk/interact.html mm productions Interactive fx Controller 8-way switch to MIDI converter General The Interactive Controller takes switch (or relay) closures/openings and converts these into MIDI events. MIDI events may be assigned to both opening and closing of switches, and the switches may be set in software to be opening/closing type or latching. Audio Switching The 'switches' may also be audio. We supply a tone generator (approx 1.5 x 1.5cm square) which can be powered by battery or from a radio mic pack which produces a specific telephone tone. If supplied to pin 5 of inputs 1 & 2, the start of the tone acts as the switch on, and the end of the tone acts as the switch off. This means that the switch on and off can be sent by a radio mic system - for example, the radio mic transmitter can be built into a gun, the trigger of which turns the tone generator on and off, and thus the gunshot sound can be triggered at will. MIDI Data The unit operates by using Data Streams that the user has created and these are assigned to switch actions in performance memories. Each data stream can be up to 64 bytes long (a MIDI Note On uses 3 bytes of data), and can be any form of data including Sys Ex. Performance Memories Each performance memory has the data for all 8 switches. There are 64 performance memories in total. MIDI Output There are 2 MIDI outputs, and data can be assigned to either, both or none. Suggested Uses The unit has been used to fire sound effects such as the gun mentioned above, or for door opening/ closing effects. Pressure pads can also trigger it, as can IR movement sensors. In all these applications, the unit has triggered the sounds stored on a sampler. Using sysex messages, we have also used it to set up, load and configure samplers in situations where one button operation is needed, such as theme parks. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1200137203==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Interactive FX Controller
    http://www.mmproductions.co.uk/interact.html

     mm productions Interactive fx Controller
        8-way switch to MIDI converter     

    General
    The Interactive Controller takes switch (or relay) closures/openings and converts these into MIDI events. MIDI events may be assigned to both opening and closing of
    switches, and the switches may be set in software to be opening/closing type or
    latching.

    Audio Switching
    The 'switches' may also be audio. We supply a tone generator (approx 1.5 x 1.5cm
    square) which can be powered by battery or from a radio mic pack which produces a
    specific telephone tone. If supplied to pin 5 of inputs 1 & 2, the start of the tone acts
    as the switch on, and the end of the tone acts as the switch off. This means that the
    switch on and off can be sent by a radio mic system - for example, the radio mic
    transmitter can be built into a gun, the trigger of which turns the tone generator on
    and off, and thus the gunshot sound can be triggered at will.

    MIDI Data
    The unit operates by using Data Streams that the user has created and these are
    assigned to switch actions in performance memories. Each data stream can be up to
    64 bytes long (a MIDI Note On uses 3 bytes of data), and can be any form of data
    including Sys Ex.

    Performance Memories
    Each performance memory has the data for all 8 switches. There are 64 performance
    memories in total.

    MIDI Output
    There are 2 MIDI outputs, and data can be assigned to either, both or none.

    Suggested Uses
    The unit has been used to fire sound effects such as the gun mentioned above, or for
    door opening/ closing effects. Pressure pads can also trigger it, as can IR movement
    sensors. In all these applications, the unit has triggered the sounds stored on a
    sampler. Using sysex messages, we have also used it to set up, load and configure
    samplers in situations where one button operation is needed, such as theme parks.
    --

    ______________________________________________________________
    Richard Zvonar, PhD      
    (818) 788-2202                                 
    http://www.zvonar.com
    http://RZCybernetics.com
    http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone
    http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz
    --============_-1200137203==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 14:32:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24676; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:10:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:10:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Am I good enough for my looper? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:10:02 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a5dc$46173a00$d368580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snipples ~ -----Original Message----- From: Graham, Lindsay To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: Am I good enough for my looper? >It's been a long while since I posted, but I've been keeping up with the>list by reading the archives on the web. This list constantly stimulates>me. > >I recently got my Repeater (thank you, Alto) and I have to say, the thing >scares me to death. I have been only dabbling in loops, it seems. My two >DL4s have produced some amazing textures, but this Repeater thing, well, it >has frustrated me beyond my coping. Or rather, I have frustrated me. Lindsay - maybe it just doesn't fit with what you're striving for sonically speaking. I have a RPTR and it now sits in the closet (downgraded from sitting impotent atop my amp) and it will stay there until i'm good and ready to use it. in the meantime i have found that i didn't need a RPTR to get what i wanted across, so it wasn't/isn't being used. it's just an instrument, it either fits you now or it doesn't. frustration cramps creativity. This>is the first piece of gear I've owned that hasn't fed the Gear Lust false>logic of, "well, if I get this, I'll sound better." It is better than I am.>Its capabilities and the vast sonic potential it holds has petrified me and>I haven't produced anything I couldn't already have done on the DL4. I know >that much, much better can be done. well that being said, i'm an old hand at buying way too much gear and then never selling it because i felt that i had to own the sonic possibilities of said tool. so i have very little fear when investing in something as cheap as the RPTR (never recorded with it, way too slow). of course i used it in a way that it sounded like a fuzz, but have found my EDP makes a much better fuzz. Witness, for example, Mr. Torn's>transcendent Splattercell work (btw, I'd love to find out more about Gareth>Williams, whose Remiksis track I love). The Repeater is challenging me and >I feel I have failed it. How does one make that leap in one's own progress?>Music is so personal to me; I am not patient with it and grow easily>discontent. A piece of gear I thought I'd torture with use, the Repeater >now most often sits in sleep mode, mocking me with long, slow blinks. How>do I overcome this? Where is the breakthrough? >>http://leftofeliot.iuma.com >>Lindsay I think you know what you'd like to sound like by now, so go with that. gear is just stuff we use to communicate, like language. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 14:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25006; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:14:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:14:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125102419.04f0aec8@loopers-delight.com> References: <200201240729.CAA16857@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:10:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Cables Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >another thing to be careful of are devices using wall warts or line-lumps : : >It continues to baffle me why some manufacturers use these things in fairly >pricey gear. there's just no excuse for that, imo. > >kim > > My understanding is that it has something to do with being approved by Underwriters Laboratories. (I have a song out that mentions wall warts ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 14:41:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25531; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:20:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:20:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1a5d4$79b465c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200201240729.CAA16857@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020125102419.04f0aec8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Cables Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:14:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Note: It is my understanding that if you HAVE to pass power cords and audio cable that it is best to cross them at a 90 degree angle- PS- I agree with Kim- wall warts suck- esp when you learn AFTER you buy something you have to PAY for the power supply to turn the damn thing on. Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 14:53:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26789; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:30:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:30:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: AdrenaLinn at audiomidi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:25:03 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/25/2002 02:25:09 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.audiomidi.com/common/cfm/product.cfm?Product_ID=1706 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 14:56:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27256; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:34:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:34:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Cables Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:30:43 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125102419.04f0aec8@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hate wall warts, but one reason why designers use them, especially in Europe, is that if you can keep all voltages in the unit below 48V, you can save a wealth of time in artwork, documentation and test-houses. To cover most of the approvals, you only have to have the wart itself certified, (and use it across a product range) :) -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: 25 January 2002 18:40 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cables At 05:53 PM 1/24/2002, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >Another question; > >When wiring your rack, do you try to keep all the power > >cables from the rack units all on one side of the rack? > >Any other wiring bug-a-boos to watch out for? > >That'd be a lot easier if manufacturers would all standardize where they put >the audio and power connectors... another thing to be careful of are devices using wall warts or line-lumps instead of internal power supplies. Of course you need to be sure to secure them well somewhere in the rack so that they don't go flopping all over the place when you move it, because they break easily. But also realize that wall warts are typically cheaply made and not shielded well, and certainly not designed with a professional audio environment in mind. They radiate a lot of power supply hum into the area around them, so you should be careful to keep them as far away from audio cables as possible. It continues to baffle me why some manufacturers use these things in fairly pricey gear. there's just no excuse for that, imo. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 15:05:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28251; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:44:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:44:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c1a5d7$de869c40$43c1a518@midsouth.rr.com> Reply-To: "Tardy" From: "Tardy" To: References: Subject: Re: Cables Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:38:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The only thing George L's don't do well is guitar cable. >They get tangled in a heartbeat. >They are best for stationary setups. Actually in the last couple of years GeorgeL's has offered the option of the same cable with a thicker diameter, specifically to avoid the tangling that occurs with the thinner cable for instruments and such. The smaller diameter type is still preferred for racks, pedals, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 15:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29629; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:57:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:57:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FE8@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Am I good enough for my looper? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:50:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I think you know what you'd like to sound like by now, so go with that. gear is just stuff we use to communicate, like language. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 << Exactly. My problem is a lack of vocabulary. I feel as if I'm saying "like" and "dude" far too often in the company of Churchill or Eliot. The Repeater put me at the same table as greatness. I need to find the language to retain my seat. Otherwise, I should just go back to the DL4 kiddy table (not to malign the many fabulous DL4 users-I have two, remember). I realize it's a matter of growth and discovery. But I needed to express the profound sadness I felt when I finally realized, "well, sh*t, now I've actually got to do something fantastic. The repeater just removed all the roadblocks." It's scary to face your own limitations and find you have nothing to blame it on (like, "if I only had the Againinator, I would be awesome.") I know many of you have already made this realization, the one resulting in self-reliance, but, man, getting through that first step is heartbreaking. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 15:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01099; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:23:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:23:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <66.1af50a20.2983179b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:18:35 EST Subject: Re: AdrenaLinn at audiomidi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_66.1af50a20.2983179b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_66.1af50a20.2983179b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/02 2:26:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcoffin@taunton.com writes: > http://www.audiomidi.com/common/cfm/product.cfm?Product_ID=1706 > > thanks dave.....i need a drum machine (or a drummer) so i thought this box might be the ticket, but ricardo walker sez the drum sounds are pretty chee-zee.....rick, does it do a whole lot more than the electrix boxes? or whould this be filter over-kill?.....i have to go play one and see whats up, after all im pretty chee-zee myself.....oh dig this!, my lovely daugther katy just got a job with a u.s. air off-shot psa airlines (go figure with them laying millions of people off), this means i fly for free anywhere in the u.s. or pay like 10% for the rest of the world.....so clear me a space on the floor, i may be headed your way.....consider yourself warned....:)m --part1_66.1af50a20.2983179b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/02 2:26:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcoffin@taunton.com writes:


    http://www.audiomidi.com/common/cfm/product.cfm?Product_ID=1706


    thanks dave.....i need a drum machine (or a drummer) so i thought this box might be the ticket, but ricardo walker sez the drum sounds are pretty chee-zee.....rick, does it do a whole lot more than the electrix boxes? or whould this be filter over-kill?.....i have to go play one and see whats up, after all im pretty chee-zee myself.....oh dig this!, my lovely daugther katy just got a job with a u.s. air off-shot psa airlines (go figure with them laying millions of people off), this means i fly for free anywhere in the u.s. or pay like 10% for the rest of the world.....so clear me a space on the floor, i may be headed your way.....consider yourself warned....:)m     --part1_66.1af50a20.2983179b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 16:00:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02420; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:38:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:38:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:32:43 EST Subject: Re: Crusher-X To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA01911 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone. I saw this post, and just wanted to add that CrusherX is a wonderful sound mangling program. I highly recommend it. I've been using it for a while now, and I am always delightfully amazed by the results that I hear. If you are looking for something to really twist your loops, just feed them to the Crusher. Also, I just purchased an Eventide H3500 DFX/e. I am interested in hearing from others about their experiences using the Eventide units. Thanks, Marc In a message dated 1/25/02 10:01:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > Looper Folks, > > I just ran across this granular synthesis software synth called Crusher X by > Jörg Stelkens which I'd like to recommend to anyone interested in strange > noise. This thing is available as a stand-alone program or as a VST > plugin... www.stelkens.de > > mfg, > > Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 16:03:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02739; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:41:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:41:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: AdrenaLinn at audiomidi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:36:17 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/25/2002 03:36:18 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Cool...take you pick: curling up with 30+ foot pedals, or guarding the floor against our new puppy's frequent nocturnal indescretions! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 16:04:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02873; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:41:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:41:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <113.b795983.29831bcc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:36:28 EST Subject: like churchill and eliot were both dudes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.b795983.29831bcc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_113.b795983.29831bcc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/02 2:52:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu writes: > I should just go back to the DL4 kiddy table > just take what toys you have to the adult table, you will be comfortable there in no time....."if I only had the Againinator, I would be awesome." you seem to imply that this isnt true, say its not so!.....what a fun dilema....:)m --part1_113.b795983.29831bcc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/02 2:52:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu writes:


    I should just go back to the DL4 kiddy table

    just take what toys you have to the adult table, you will be comfortable there in no time....."if I only had the Againinator, I would be awesome." you seem to imply that this isnt true, say its not so!.....what a fun dilema....:)m

    --part1_113.b795983.29831bcc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 16:10:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03136; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:43:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:43:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:40:30 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: Am I good enough for my looper? In-reply-to: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FE8@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks on that one. Full connection on the concept! Don't even have a Repeater yet, but been struggling with the same concept after having had my first nice piano in awhile: okay, I have the thing i said would free me, now whom is my oppressor?. The same can apply to a relationship, okay so here's this great woman(or whatever the case may be for a person) and now will I stretch myself how far toward the ideal that shone like a grail-shaped beacon:):):) for so long? Or will I slip into my own self-destructive or limiting patterns? Self as our own worst enemy: possibly the greatest loop/truckload of reality in existence. Damn, writing this message is becoming an excuse not to go running and start my day, better fade the loop. Glenn P.S. I'm confident that our only real limitations are self imposed. on 1/25/02 11:50 AM, Graham, Lindsay at lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu wrote: > Exactly. My problem is a lack of vocabulary. I feel as if I'm saying > "like" and "dude" far too often in the company of Churchill or Eliot. The > Repeater put me at the same table as greatness. I need to find the language > to retain my seat. Otherwise, I should just go back to the DL4 kiddy table > (not to malign the many fabulous DL4 users-I have two, remember). > > I realize it's a matter of growth and discovery. But I needed to express > the profound sadness I felt when I finally realized, "well, sh*t, now I've > actually got to do something fantastic. The repeater just removed all the > roadblocks." It's scary to face your own limitations and find you have > nothing to blame it on (like, "if I only had the Againinator, I would be > awesome.") I know many of you have already made this realization, the one > resulting in self-reliance, but, man, getting through that first step is > heartbreaking. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 16:13:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03427; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:46:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:46:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:40:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020125143805.38435.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ~pleez B LOOPEE~ > Hey, y'all! > > My wizardly-guitarist-from-behind-the-curtain-of-Oz > says I have to be part of this loopy group OR ELSE!!!! > He may even turn me into a newt if I don't-or make me > sound like a newt. How do newts sound in Looping > situations? > > ~e~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 16:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04479; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:58:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:58:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Am I good enough for my looper? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:01:03 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a5eb$c7fb0920$d368580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com esinsnippein~ -----Original Message----- From: Graham, Lindsay To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: RE: Am I good enough for my looper? >I think you know what you'd like to sound like by now, so go with that. >gear is just stuff we use to communicate, like language. > >best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 ><< > >Exactly. My problem is a lack of vocabulary. I feel as if I'm saying>"like" and "dude" far too often in the company of Churchill or Eliot. The>Repeater put me at the same table as greatness. I need to find the language>to retain my seat. Otherwise, I should just go back to the DL4 kiddy table >(not to malign the many fabulous DL4 users-I have two, remember). sounds like you've already decided what you are using to extend your voice. so work out the DL4's till they don't go somewhere you hear, then maybe?? dunno. > >I realize it's a matter of growth and discovery. But I needed to express >the profound sadness I felt when I finally realized, "well, sh*t, now I've >actually got to do something fantastic. The repeater just removed all the >roadblocks." It's scary to face your own limitations and find you have >nothing to blame it on (like, "if I only had the Againinator, I would be >awesome.") I know many of you have already made this realization, the one >resulting in self-reliance, but, man, getting through that first step is >heartbreaking. > I guess i take it for granted that all loopers, well heck people who make music in any capacity do so as an extension of who they are and what they wish to convey. But that's where I come from- and/or: remove the blocks. br, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 17:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09642; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:40:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:40:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049A3@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:34:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5E8.21951A60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5E8.21951A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, while i agree with the idea that collectors, rather than players, are driving prices unrealistically upwards in the guitar/bass market - - and am bothered by this - - it also brings up the question of what people are willing to pay - - what their prioritics are. it wasn't super long ago that a roland sde-3000 cost something like $800-1,000 retail (if memory serves). if you bought a guitar/bass for about the same amount of money back then, people might think you crazy. however, the instrument that cost $1,000 back then might be easily worth 3 times that much now (and it might even be something that you've used every day of your life since then); whereas the poor old digital delay is worth a fraction of its price (in the case of the sde-3000, it's a pretty good fraction, but a fraction nonetheless). so . . . having all of us tech-head/gear-mongers out here, are we more inclined to spend the big $$ on digital stuff that might not have a good shelf life versus something like a guitar that might actually appreciate in value??? not having priced a gibson guitar, i don't know what the price is, but i *probably would* blanch at a factory-made guitar for what they want. in my own case, i have the audacity to believe that i am *good* enough to deserve $2,500+ basses (and not "vintage") . . . amd maybe they'll be worth something when i die and my kids sell 'em on ebay ;-) stig << I also think that Gibson has priced their guitars out of the range of working professionals which I find frustrating and sad. >> Amen to that! The Les Paul, SG, et al prices ARE ridiculous. Seems to me that it's more of a 'status' thing than a quality (not to disparage the quality of course) or feature thing. Man, there's (or was) a lot of liquidity in this country. Collectors have been buying up guitars, etc. like there's no tomorrow--driving the price up of used and new stuff. Regards, Paul Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. 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    howdy,

    while i agree with the idea that collectors, rather than = players, are driving prices unrealistically upwards in the guitar/bass mark= et - - and am bothered by this - - it also brings up the question of what p= eople are willing to pay - - what their prioritics are.

    it wasn't super long ago that a roland sde-3000 cost some= thing like $800-1,000 retail (if memory serves). if you bought a guitar/bas= s for about the same amount of money back then, people might think you craz= y. however, the instrument that cost $1,000 back then might be easily worth= 3 times that much now (and it might even be something that you've used eve= ry day of your life since then); whereas the poor old digital delay is wort= h a fraction of its price (in the case of the sde-3000, it's a pretty good = fraction, but a fraction nonetheless).

    so . . . having all of us tech-head/gear-mongers out here= , are we more inclined to spend the big $$ on digital stuff that might not = have a good shelf life versus something like a guitar that might actually a= ppreciate in value???

    not having priced a gibson guitar, i don't know what the = price is, but i *probably would* blanch at a factory-made guitar for what t= hey want.

    in my own case, i have the audacity to believe that i am = *good* enough to deserve $2,500+ basses (and not "vintage") . . .= amd maybe they'll be worth something when i die and my kids sell 'em on eb= ay ;-)

    stig


    << I also think that Gibson has priced their guitar= s out
    of the range of working professionals which I find
    frustrating and sad. >>

    Amen to that! The Les Paul, SG, et al prices ARE
    ridiculous. Seems to me that it's more of a 'status'
    thing than a quality (not to disparage the quality of
    course) or feature thing. Man, there's (or was) a lot of=
    liquidity in this country. Collectors have been buying <= /FONT>
    up guitars, etc. like there's no tomorrow--driving the <= /FONT>
    price up of used and new stuff.

    Regards, Paul



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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5E8.21951A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 17:11:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10078; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:44:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:44:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049A4@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ableton Live a sEriOuS contender! Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:38:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5E8.90ABABD0" Resent-Message-ID: <8edskC.A.IVC.6CdU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5E8.90ABABD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** hey, this may not be what you're thinking about . . . when i get frustrated by my "limitations" and ruts in composing (or playing for that matter), i try to assign myself a task that is counter to that which i normally do (e.g., i'm writing too much of "x," i should try "-x"; or i'm playing too many notes, i should play only slow note values with lots of space in between . . . ) but maybe this is not a fruitful tangent on your comment . . . stig this is what scares me.....composition seems to become more dependent on the depth of my programs (almost "chance" composition) than on my own ability to work with notes, sounds, the building blocks of music.....how often do i compose a 6/8 waltz as compared to a 4/4 groove?....i do not mean this as any kind of slam, i would love to get lost in the never ending options available in all these cool sounding programs, my major concern for "myself" is, can i call the end product of sending a loop from my rang thru a bunch o filters etc. a "composition"? its more like an unrepeatable event.....i feel like the kid in the candy store who ate one too many bon-bons after a knob twisting session.....perhaps its the word "composition" thats got me befuddled.....i was just thinking the other day "i hate my music in fact i hate all music" i want a new drug!.....but for the life of me i couldnt find anything to replace the "music" (whatever that is) with.....maybe exercise.....nahhh....:)m Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5E8.90ABABD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
    ** hey, 
     
    this may not be what you're thinking about . . . 
     
    when i get frustrated by my "limitations" and ruts in composing (or playing for that matter), i try to assign myself a task that is counter to that which i normally do (e.g., i'm writing too much of "x," i should try "-x"; or i'm playing too many notes, i should play only slow note values with lots of space in between . . . )
     
    but maybe this is not a fruitful tangent on your comment . . .
     
    stig 
     
     
    this is what scares me.....composition seems to become more dependent on the depth of my programs (almost "chance" composition) than on my own ability to work with notes, sounds, the building blocks of music.....how often do i compose a 6/8 waltz as compared to a 4/4 groove?....i do not mean this as any kind of slam, i would love to get lost in the never ending options available in all these cool sounding programs, my major concern for "myself" is, can i call the end product of sending a loop from my rang thru a bunch o filters etc. a "composition"? its more like an unrepeatable event.....i feel like the kid in the candy store who ate one too many bon-bons after a knob twisting session.....perhaps its the word "composition" thats got me befuddled.....i was just thinking the other day "i hate my music in fact i hate all music" i want a new drug!.....but for the life of me i couldnt find anything to replace the "music" (whatever that is) with.....maybe exercise.....nahhh....:)m


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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5E8.90ABABD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 17:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11401; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:56:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:56:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.142] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <001101c1a5b0$f3addf10$fe78a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: Crusher-X Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:53:14 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2002 21:51:28.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[710FDD80:01C1A5EA] Resent-Message-ID: <5yGAyC.A.UqC.COdU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can second that motion. Great for glitch work. Check out Warm Chicken Salad at http://rdomain.iuma.com All sounds are from Crusher X except for the gently looped melody in the background which was Reaktor. Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > Looper Folks, > > I just ran across this granular synthesis software synth called Crusher X by > Jörg Stelkens which I'd like to recommend to anyone interested in strange > noise. This thing is available as a stand-alone program or as a VST > plugin... www.stelkens.de > > mfg, > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 17:41:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14113; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:14:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:14:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125125705.05335c48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:05:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cables In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125102419.04f0aec8@loopers-delight.com> <200201240729.CAA16857@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:10 AM 1/25/2002, just john wrote: > >another thing to be careful of are devices using wall warts or line-lumps > > > >It continues to baffle me why some manufacturers use these things in fairly > >pricey gear. there's just no excuse for that, imo. > > > >kim > > > > > >My understanding is that it has something to do with being approved by >Underwriters Laboratories. > >(I have a song out that mentions wall warts ...) >--- that's the excuse that is usually given. IMO, that's not a valid excuse. How much does that have to do with the needs of their customers? Answer: nothing. These companies should suck it up, do the design work, get the approvals, and sell products that meet their customer's needs. And you the customer should be demanding that they do. Seriously, I design electronics hardware for a living. I know what it takes to do a proper power supply design for a professional audio product and meet performance and regulatory requirements. It can be done easily in a product costing more than a couple hundred dollars. It isn't that hard unless your engineers are incompetent for the job. That's why I continue to say there is no excuse for wall warts in products intended for professional audio use. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 17:44:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15027; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:23:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:23:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.26.136] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cables Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:17:27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2002 22:17:27.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[12992370:01C1A5EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Absolutely right, Kim....thanks for continuing to say it. Who knows maybe someone will listen! Max > there is no excuse for wall warts in products intended for >professional >audio use. > >kim > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 17:45:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14838; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:22:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:22:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEB@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Am I good enough for my looper? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:15:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5ED.D57DACE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5ED.D57DACE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Because it is really a fear, a phobia, of not living up to your own inflated expectations, I think you might be right: the only real solution is to abandon frustration and perhaps emotion altogether and approach the problem analytically. Through a cognitive wrestling and iterative solution finding, one might begin to find confidence and inspiration again. I fully intend to stare down the Repeater this weekend. The solution to my problem, as it is to so many others, is to just do it. No Nike jokes, please. To return to some of the non-topic elements of my first post, I'd still love to find out more about Gareth Williams, an absolute mystery man-nothing on the web about him. And please do stop by the IUMA site linked below. I'd love to be stroked through this crisis of faith with nice comments about the music I have been able to accomplish. Lindsay Graham left of eliot -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:38 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Ableton Live a sEriOuS contender! ** hey, this may not be what you're thinking about . . . when i get frustrated by my "limitations" and ruts in composing (or playing for that matter), i try to assign myself a task that is counter to that which i normally do (e.g., i'm writing too much of "x," i should try "-x"; or i'm playing too many notes, i should play only slow note values with lots of space in between . . . ) but maybe this is not a fruitful tangent on your comment . . . stig this is what scares me.....composition seems to become more dependent on the depth of my programs (almost "chance" composition) than on my own ability to work with notes, sounds, the building blocks of music.....how often do i compose a 6/8 waltz as compared to a 4/4 groove?....i do not mean this as any kind of slam, i would love to get lost in the never ending options available in all these cool sounding programs, my major concern for "myself" is, can i call the end product of sending a loop from my rang thru a bunch o filters etc. a "composition"? its more like an unrepeatable event.....i feel like the kid in the candy store who ate one too many bon-bons after a knob twisting session.....perhaps its the word "composition" thats got me befuddled.....i was just thinking the other day "i hate my music in fact i hate all music" i want a new drug!.....but for the life of me i couldnt find anything to replace the "music" (whatever that is) with.....maybe exercise.....nahhh....:)m Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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    B= ecause it is really a fear, a phobia, of not living up to your own inflated = expectations, I think you might be right: the only real solution is to abandon = frustration and perhaps emotion altogether and approach the problem = analytically.  Through a cognitive wrestling = and iterative solution finding, one might begin to find confidence and inspiration again.  I fully intend to = stare down the Repeater this weekend.  The solution to my problem, as it is to so many others, is to = just do it.  No Nike jokes, = please.

    <= ![if = !supportEmptyParas]> 

    =

    T= o return to some of the non-topic elements of my first post, I’d still = love to find out more about Gareth Williams, an absolute mystery man—nothing on = the web about him.  And please do stop = by the IUMA site linked below.  = I’d love to be stroked through this crisis of faith with nice comments about the = music I have been able to accomplish.

    <= ![if = !supportEmptyParas]> 

    =

    Lindsay Graham

    left of = eliot<= /p>

    =  

    =

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com]
    Sent: Friday, January = 25, 2002 3:38 PM
    To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
    Subject: RE: Ableton = Live a sEriOuS contender!

     

    ** = hey, =

     =

    this may not be = what you're thinking about . . . =

     =

    when i get = frustrated by my "limitations" and ruts in composing (or playing for that = matter), i try to assign myself a task that is counter to that which i normally = do (e.g., i'm writing too much of "x," i should try = "-x"; or i'm playing too many notes, i should play only slow note values with = lots of space in between . . . )

     =

    but maybe this = is not a fruitful tangent on your comment . . .=

     =

    stig 

     =

     
    this is what scares me.....composition seems to become more dependent = on the depth of my programs (almost "chance" composition) than on my = own ability to work with notes, sounds, the building blocks of = music.....how often do i compose a 6/8 waltz as compared to a 4/4 groove?....i do not mean = this as any kind of slam, i would love to get lost in the never ending options available in all these cool sounding programs, my major concern for "myself" is, can i call the end product of sending a loop = from my rang thru a bunch o filters etc. a "composition"? its more = like an unrepeatable event.....i feel like the kid in the candy store who ate = one too many bon-bons after a knob twisting session.....perhaps its the word "composition" thats got me befuddled.....i was just thinking t= he other day "i hate my music in fact i hate all music" i want a = new drug!.....but for the life of me i couldnt find anything to replace the "music" (whatever that is) with.....maybe = exercise.....nahhh....:)m     =



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A5ED.D57DACE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 18:19:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18324; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:57:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:57:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125144335.0531ffe0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:48:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cables In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the "someone" who should listen is you the customer. Any manufacturer is going to try to get away with selling you the least the can for the highest price you are willing to pay. When you stop accepting and buying products made this way, they will stop making them that way. kim At 02:17 PM 1/25/2002, max valentino wrote: >Absolutely right, Kim....thanks for continuing to say it. Who knows maybe >someone will listen! >Max > > > > there is no excuse for wall warts in products intended for >>professional >>audio use. > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 18:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21916; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:31:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:25:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Cables Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <34PBPD.A._QF.nmeU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to play devil's advocate, my goal for some thirty years has been to run my entire studio off of one or a couple DC voltages, supplied at home by a single power supply resembling a wall more than a wart (PV panels in the cabin) and on the road by car batteries or whatever. Equipment which already has DC input jacks makes it slightly easier to pretend I'm ever going to complete this transition. It's also just not true that wall warts necessarily radiate more hum into audio paths than internal power supplies. The transformer inside one very expensive piece of gear I own is directly beneath the mic preamp in another unit which I would like to have mounted in an adjacent rack space. Oh well, not much I can do about that. The internal power supply in another very popular multi-effects processor is a horribly noisy piece of crap which not only generates more 60Hz than a PG&E substation but only puts out more RF than Sutro Tower. Oh well, not much I can do about that either. At least with a wall wart it's really simple to relocate the hum generator, keep all the AC in the bottom of the rack, or even replace the power supply with something cleaner than any manufacturer puts inside their gear if it's still a problem. Oh yeah, there's a decent chance that the first thing to fail in your rack will be a power supply, and it's kinda cool to be able to carry cheap spares and replace them in 30 seconds. Like I said, just playing devil's advocate. My only real pet peeve is the Yamaha stuff which has an internal supply but a hardwired, way too long, too stiff, unrepairable AC cord. -Alex At 10:17 PM -0800 1/25/02, max valentino wrote: >Absolutely right, Kim....thanks for continuing to say it. Who knows >maybe someone will listen! >Max > > > > there is no excuse for wall warts in products intended for >>professional >>audio use. >> >>kim > >> > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 19:00:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22766; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:38:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125175458.00a892b0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:28:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? In-Reply-To: References: <20020125143805.38435.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> <20020125143805.38435.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3cv0YC.A.daF.WteU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, this guy walks into a bar... In a small green nylon and suede backpack, he's carrying the footpedal from his EDP, a Repeater memory card with the label on backwards, a SPLaTTeRCeLL CD (ReMiKSiS, methinks 'twas), some George L. cables in various lengths, a Polaroid from NAMM showing some guy with a blue mohawk, and a broken RDS-8000 that's missing its battery cover, but the backpack really has nothing to do with the story, and was only mentioned in the interest of topicality. Anyway, he orders a Glenlivet, and the bartender notices there's a small orange and black salamander sitting on the guy's left shoulder, which turns out to be a treasured pet of which the man is rather fond. The bartender asks what the salamander's name is. The guy replies "Oh, I call him Tiny." "How'd you pick that name?" the bartender asks... The guy glances at the salamander, and says "Because he's my newt..." (Ba-da-booomp...) "my newt"... Sorry. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programme. -t- (Hello E!) At 08:38 AM 1/25/02 -0800, Dr. Z wrote: >At 6:38 AM -0800 1/25/02, Elizabeth Stewart wrote: > >>He may even turn me into a newt if I don't-or make me >>sound like a newt. How do newts sound in Looping >>situations? > >If you need a publisher, my company is Newt Music, BMI. > >My personal record label is Salamander Songs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 19:01:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22653; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:38:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:38:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c1a5f8$95b7aec0$2d990941@bens1.pa.home.com> From: "celworx" To: References: Subject: Re: Cakewalk Panel with Defaults Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:32:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: Cakewalk Panel with Defaults > Here is the panel with the default settings. > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 19:11:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23798; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:50:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:50:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <126.ab7bf2f.298347e5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:44:37 EST Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_126.ab7bf2f.298347e5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_126.ab7bf2f.298347e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/02 6:35:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, tnelson@metrocast.net writes: > "Because he's my newt..." > tim.....i will use it and i promise to foot-note it.....good laugh.....thanks.....:)m --part1_126.ab7bf2f.298347e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/02 6:35:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, tnelson@metrocast.net writes:


    "Because he's my newt..."


    tim.....i will use it and i promise to foot-note it.....good laugh.....thanks.....:)m     --part1_126.ab7bf2f.298347e5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 19:15:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24160; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:47:59 -0500 Subject: Re: cables From: Paul Reisler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201240729.CAA16858@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3094829288_600422_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3094829288_600422_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit where can i find info on George L's cables? thanks paul Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com - my kids songwriting project with an amazing CD - our theatre work and the CD store - info on me and my songcamps - our play Three Roses is the centerpiece of a project that deals with issues of women and violence --MS_Mac_OE_3094829288_600422_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: cables
    where can i find info on George L's cables?
    thanks
    paul


    Paul Reisler
    Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley
    PO Box 38
    Washington, VA 22747
    540.987.3164
    540.987.3166 fax
    zoid@pobox.com
    <http://www.kidpanalley.org>- my kids songwriting project with an ama= zing CD
    <http://www.kitheatre.com> -  our theatre work and the CD store<= BR> <http://www.paulreisler.com> - info on me and my songcamps
    <http://www.theroseproject.org> - our play Three Roses is the centerp= iece of a project that deals with issues of women and violence


    --MS_Mac_OE_3094829288_600422_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 19:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24286; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:52:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:52:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:47:00 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01e601c1a5fa$95572d50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125144335.0531ffe0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com didn't you just buy two repeaters? i would also prefer no wall wart or line lump, but not so much that it will keep me from using these things... i think an even better solution would be for manufacturers to start using standardized supply connectors and voltages. then we could replace all the wall warts with a single power supply. i'm thinking of doing this myself, but it will require some effort to cover all the different connectors and voltages and ac vs. dc, etc... i have already done this for my pedal board, maybe the rack is next... this would be good because you can separate the power supply transformer(s) from your signal cables. this way, you don't even have 120vac lines to contend with. in an installation, you could get even more separation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Cables > the "someone" who should listen is you the customer. Any manufacturer is > going to try to get away with selling you the least the can for the highest > price you are willing to pay. When you stop accepting and buying products > made this way, they will stop making them that way. > > kim > > > At 02:17 PM 1/25/2002, max valentino wrote: > >Absolutely right, Kim....thanks for continuing to say it. Who knows maybe > >someone will listen! > >Max > > > > > > > there is no excuse for wall warts in products intended for > >>professional > >>audio use. > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 19:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26259; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:59:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125125705.05335c48@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125102419.04f0aec8@loopers-delight.com> <200201240729.CAA16857@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:56:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Cables Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >that's the excuse that is usually given. IMO, that's not a valid excuse. >How much does that have to do with the needs of their customers? Answer: >nothing. These companies should suck it up, do the design work, get the >approvals, and sell products that meet their customer's needs. And you the >customer should be demanding that they do. > >Seriously, I design electronics hardware for a living. I know what it takes >to do a proper power supply design for a professional audio product and >meet performance and regulatory requirements. It can be done easily in a >product costing more than a couple hundred dollars. It isn't that hard >unless your engineers are incompetent for the job. That's why I continue to >say there is no excuse for wall warts in products intended for professional >audio use. > >kim I would think an advantage to having the power supply handled outside the unit would be that the same unit could be used in different nations with different sorts of power. Just get a different wall wart. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 19:32:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27802; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:11:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c1a5fd$242ca8a0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: cables Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:05:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C1A5D3.3AF1EB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C1A5D3.3AF1EB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: cableshttp://www.georgels.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Reisler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: cables where can i find info on George L's cables? thanks paul Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com - my kids songwriting project with an = amazing CD - our theatre work and the CD store - info on me and my songcamps - our play Three Roses is the = centerpiece of a project that deals with issues of women and violence ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C1A5D3.3AF1EB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: cables
    http://www.georgels.com/
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Paul = Reisler
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 = 6:47=20 PM
    Subject: Re: cables

    where can i find info on George L's=20 cables?
    thanks
    paul


    Paul=20 Reisler
    Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley
    PO Box = 38
    Washington, VA=20 22747
    540.987.3164
    540.987.3166 fax
    zoid@pobox.com
    <http://www.kidpanalley.org>- = my kids=20 songwriting project with an amazing CD
    <http://www.kitheatre.com> - =  our=20 theatre work and the CD store
    <http://www.paulreisler.com> = - info on=20 me and my songcamps
    <http://www.theroseproject.org> - our = play Three=20 Roses is the centerpiece of a project that deals with issues of women = and=20 violence


    ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C1A5D3.3AF1EB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 20:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31639; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:48:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125191610.00a8f210@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:39:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125175458.00a892b0@pop.metrocast.net> References: <20020125143805.38435.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> <20020125143805.38435.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:28 PM 1/25/02 -0500, I wrote: >...a broken RDS-8000 that's missing its battery cover... and before anyone points out that I must mean *P*DS-8000 because RDS's don't _have_ batteries, um, this one was customised. Yeah, that's it... (Besides, anything from Digitech is missing its battery cover in spirit anyway!) Back on topic, Elizabeth (who started all this silly business about newts) is a vocalist (and occasional electric autoharpist) who would really like to learn more about looping, specifically as it applies to microphone technique and other things relevant to a looping vocalist in a live setting. She'll be catching up on past threads from the abundant resources to be found in the archives and perusing the Tools of the Trade and Tips and Tricks sections, but would also appreciate any help from any of you who might be working in a similar area, or who might have some suggestions for recommended listening re: looped vocals. Be nice; she's good people. -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 20:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04738; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:34:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:34:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125160737.02a24ec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:25:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cables In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:25 PM 1/25/2002, Alex Stahl wrote: >Just to play devil's advocate, my goal for some thirty years has been to >run my entire studio off of one or a couple DC voltages, supplied at home >by a single power supply resembling a wall more than a wart (PV panels in >the cabin) and on the road by car batteries or whatever. Equipment which >already has DC input jacks makes it slightly easier to pretend I'm ever >going to complete this transition. A fine idea, and in fact that is often how telco and data center racks work. You generally have 48V DC running to each device. The DC supply is generated from a power supply shelf where you'll have fully redundant power supply modules converting the AC supply from the power company into the 48V DC. That's the sort of environment the networking system I'm currently designing goes into, so we don't need to deal with AC conversion. One key reason that is possible is that a standard exists for this power, and every device follows it and there are many vendors for the external supplies. Such a standard doesn't exist for music gear, so you'll probably never easily accomplish your goal. Of course, in the stuff I'm doing at the moment, the power shelf alone probably costs far more than most home studios... >It's also just not true that wall warts necessarily radiate more hum into >audio paths than internal power supplies. I think your statement should read "internal power supplies don't necessarily radiate less hum than wall warts". If the internal supply is badly designed, than sure it will cause a problem. However, the problem is "bad design", not "internal". A well designed internal supply will not have such a problem, and will always beat a wall wart for performance. >The transformer inside one very expensive piece of gear I own is directly >beneath the mic preamp in another unit which I would like to have mounted >in an adjacent rack space. Oh well, not much I can do about that. that's bad design. You the customer shouldn't tolerate that designer's choice any more than a choice to use a wall wart. >The internal power supply in another very popular multi-effects processor >is a horribly noisy piece of crap which not only generates more 60Hz than >a PG&E substation but only puts out more RF than Sutro Tower. Oh well, not >much I can do about that either. again, bad design. what you do about it is don't buy crap like that, and tell the manufacturer the reason why. My low-end Mackie 1202 mixer has an internal power supply and it causes no hum in the audio that I can hear. In fact, it's my belief that the internal supply is part of the reason the Mackie is as clean as it is for the price. It clearly didn't add too much to the cost, since the mixer was cheap enough to be an impulse buy for me. That's because the engineer who designed it did a good job. The power supply is an incredibly important part of any audio gear. You the customer should realize that and it should carry much more weight in your buying decisions than it apparently does for most people. >At least with a wall wart it's really simple to relocate the hum >generator, keep all the AC in the bottom of the rack, or even replace the >power supply with something cleaner than any manufacturer puts inside >their gear if it's still a problem. I don't find that simple. I find it to be a pain in the ass actually that I should ever have to consider these options. >Oh yeah, there's a decent chance that the first thing to fail in your rack >will be a power supply, and it's kinda cool to be able to carry cheap >spares and replace them in 30 seconds. That's also design. A well designed supply will take reliability into account, and it will will outlast most other parts of the system. The worst thing you have to worry about with a good internal supply is finding a standard IEC power cable or a fuse, either of which can be found practically anywhere in the world on short notice. All of the power problems I ever have are wall warts either breaking or getting lost, or a device getting fried because the wrong wall wart got plugged into it. Wall warts are designed for sitting behind desks where they never move. They usually have wimpy wires and wimpy connectors and not very rugged construction that was never intended for the real world that a musician will put it in. So they break easily. Plus, every company seems to use a different wall wart, so when it breaks it's often hard to find a replacement. Oftentimes you can only get it by special order from the manufacturer! You don't have those headaches with proper internal supplies. >Like I said, just playing devil's advocate. My only real pet peeve is the >Yamaha stuff which has an internal supply but a hardwired, way too long, >too stiff, unrepairable AC cord. that's also bad design, because in addition to what you mention it also means you can't switch plugs when you take it to another country with different power standards. bad, bad, bad. all supplies should use the standard IEC connector and support worldwide power voltages. kim >At 10:17 PM -0800 1/25/02, max valentino wrote: >>Absolutely right, Kim....thanks for continuing to say it. Who knows >>maybe someone will listen! >>Max >> >> >> > there is no excuse for wall warts in products intended for >>>professional >>>audio use. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 21:12:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07232; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:58:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:58:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125160737.02a24ec8@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125160737.02a24ec8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:39:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Cables Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim, for an electronics non-wizard like myself (i'm just an end user) but someone who appreciates good design, i find your statements really informative and insightful. however, i think we've found one of your central pet-peeves, yes? mine happens to be those guys who think they can color their hair every-which-way-and-back and get away with it. sheesh...the nerve. in jest, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 21:16:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08859; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:01:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:01:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:55:54 -0800 Subject: Overpriced gear (was RE: EDP or REPEATER?) From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201252245.RAA16794@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Amen to that! The Les Paul, SG, et al prices ARE >ridiculous. Seems to me that it's more of a 'status' >thing than a quality (not to disparage the quality of >course) or feature thing. Man, there's (or was) a lot of >liquidity in this country. Collectors have been buying >up guitars, etc. like there's no tomorrow--driving the >price up of used and new stuff. While Gibson's made more than its share of overpriced gear in the last decade or so, I have to point out that the "you've got to be kidding!" prices are for the famous-guy-model or extra fancy stuff. If you want o play a standard Les Paul or SG, the prices aren't unreasonable. Around $1600 for a Les Paul Standard, $1200 for an SG (street prices at Guitar Center). Their "list" prices are absurd, but no-one pays those. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 21:17:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08986; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:01:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:01:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125172654.0518d6f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:53:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cables In-Reply-To: <01e601c1a5fa$95572d50$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125144335.0531ffe0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:47 PM 1/25/2002, jim palmer wrote: >didn't you just buy two repeaters? guess what I think is the number one flaw in the Repeater's otherwise nice hardware design? Dear Electrix, Don't do that again. At least they used a line lump with a detachable AC connector and world wide voltage support instead of the usual low-quality wall wart, although I think replacements are only available through Electrix. >i would also prefer no wall wart or line lump, >but not so much that it will keep me from using these things... > >i think an even better solution would be for manufacturers to >start using standardized supply connectors and voltages. >then we could replace all the wall warts with a single power supply. hahaha, but then how would manufactures be able to make extra bucks by selling you their single-source, custom labeled wall wart at an obscene premium? kim >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kim Flint" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: Cables > > > > the "someone" who should listen is you the customer. Any manufacturer is > > going to try to get away with selling you the least the can for the > highest > > price you are willing to pay. When you stop accepting and buying products > > made this way, they will stop making them that way. > > > > kim > > > > > > At 02:17 PM 1/25/2002, max valentino wrote: > > >Absolutely right, Kim....thanks for continuing to say it. Who knows > maybe > > >someone will listen! > > >Max > > > > > > > > > > there is no excuse for wall warts in products intended for > > >>professional > > >>audio use. > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 21:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09753; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQXcouPFtzbcNqtt3HbAfq6ptqM3wIVAJ1qtK+MrJjn/EVjOi7axssN1BTJ From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:05:08 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cables Message-ID: <16070-3C520ED4-1082@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: just john 's message of Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:56:14 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does a person do when they have a whole rack of equipment and go to europe or somewhere and the power supplies are different. What a bummer. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 21:31:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10410; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:16:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:16:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125175334.05131ec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:07:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cables In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125125705.05335c48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020125102419.04f0aec8@loopers-delight.com> <200201240729.CAA16857@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:56 PM 1/25/2002, just john wrote: >I would think an advantage to having the power supply handled outside the >unit would be that the same unit could be used in different nations with >different sorts of power. Just get a different wall wart. That's not an advantage. What if you can't find that special version of wall wart in the country you happen to be in when it breaks? How long will it take you to find it or special order it? It's fairly easy to design an internal power supply that supports all international power systems and put a standard IEC connector on it for the AC cable. Then when you travel you just need to find the commonly available IEC cable that matches that region. These are used on most computers and electronic gear, so it will be easy to find wherever you are. It's pretty normal for musicians to travel to other countries with their gear, so it should likewise be normal for the gear to be designed with traveling in mind. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 21:44:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11515; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:29:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:29:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c1a610$90d74880$a926d9c8@r5f3d1> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <003901c1a460$21ddbc40$19f8c440@g0wn7> <002c01c1a4d7$ec442f60$77d81f3e@snowmonster> <00b901c1a4ea$926b69a0$3af8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: sound sculpture switchblade Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:12:29 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C1A5AA.53075F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C1A5AA.53075F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 3 - from any MIDI pedalboard. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C1A5AA.53075F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 22:46:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16683; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:32:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c1a618$4f679960$1fd81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: heavy distortion sound Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:12:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1A617.3FE95740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1A617.3FE95740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have tried everything [well it feels like it] but i cannot get good = heavy distortion sounds. clean sounds not so much a problem [especially = with my new to me/but ancient rivera tbr-1] the closest i have got to with distorted joy is marshall jmp-1 [od-1] = into dbx ddp [100 hz boost] into el34 power amp. the style of music i play often calls for a really heavy distortion = [korn type etc etc] but i cant get it ?? any ideas ???? thanks in advance David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1A617.3FE95740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1A617.3FE95740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 23:18:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20173; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:03:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125195027.053b2b50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:55:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cables In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125160737.02a24ec8@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020125160737.02a24ec8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:39 PM 1/25/2002, rich wrote: >for an electronics non-wizard like myself (i'm just an end user) but >someone who appreciates good design, i find your statements really >informative and insightful. use the knowledge for the forces of good. >however, i think we've found one of your central pet-peeves, yes? just one of millions I decided to address today. just wait until you see the next one. >mine happens to be those guys who think they can color their hair >every-which-way-and-back and get away with it. sheesh...the nerve. especially when they don't bother to update their wardrobe to match, and go out into the world clashing! ugh! where were you at namm? a no-show at the looper confab...... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 23:21:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20553; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:07:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:07:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125195708.050d7138@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:58:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cables In-Reply-To: <16070-3C520ED4-1082@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0QVu5C.A.n5E.gpiU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com either buy equipment that supports that (like both the echoplex and the repeater...) or buy a transformer that can handle the power for your whole rack. kim At 06:05 PM 1/25/2002, William Mcallister wrote: >What does a person do when they have a whole rack of equipment and go to >europe or somewhere and the power supplies are different. What a bummer. >Bill ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 23:30:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21303; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:16:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:16:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.1ffe1fa9.29838665@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:11:17 EST Subject: Behringer FCB1010 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If there's anybody really up to "snuff" with the fcb1010 programing with the Repeater (os1.1), please e-mail me. Yes, I've already contacted Behringer and Electrix. but I'll take all the help I can. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 00:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26438; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:11:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:11:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5238DA.54AB599B@minds-eye.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:04:26 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Way (Way) OT: lights and motors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this is way way off topic (except it is a question about a gear the spins a wheel over and over and over, practically a loop), but I figured this is an eclectic enough group that someone can probably answer it (or point me in the appropriate direction) anyway. I have a lighting effect with a rotating motor inside that I feel moves too fast. Anyone know a way to get inside something like a DJ light and slow down the motor they have rotating the wheel (this from someone who is practically clueless about electronics, motors and the like, but is pretty good with a soldering iron)? Replies off list please unless you somehow feel this would benefit the world at large. Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 01:30:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32029; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:15:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:15:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:09:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125191610.00a8f210@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just fer example on loop vocal check out-http://www.pamelaz.com/ she is San fran at its best-i saw her awhile ago at the exploratorium.she had loop boxes goin and the natural delay/echo/reverb of that environment and it was wack.she had speakers at one end of the building and she was at the other end of the building and depending on where you were standimg you could do yer own mix.excellence in looping s > At 06:28 PM 1/25/02 -0500, tnelson wrote: > Back on topic, Elizabeth (who started all this silly business about newts) > is a vocalist (and occasional electric autoharpist) who would really like > to learn more about looping, specifically as it applies to microphone > technique and other things relevant to a looping vocalist in a live > setting. She'll be catching up on past threads from the abundant resources > to be found in the archives > and perusing the > Tools of the Trade and > Tips and Tricks > sections, but would also > appreciate any help from any of you who might be working in a similar area, > or who might have some suggestions for recommended listening re: looped > vocals. Be nice; she's good people. > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 01:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00499; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:26:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:26:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <14220-3C4DDB4F-4664@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <14220-3C4DDB4F-4664@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:20:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well next week is the big week for me. I'll be purchasing an EDP or a >REPEATER. And I dont know which one to get. I'll be using it for live >situations mostly. And a EDP for $649.00 at alto music is'nt bad. Can >anyone help persuade me into which one I really want. I'm Confused. >thanx, Bill It is a hard decision. There are days that I really wished I could define a loop length by inputting amount of beats counted from MIDI clock (Like the EDP and JamMan) and the instant overdub, sure would be swell. On the other hand, not a day goes by when I've got the vortex in the Repeater's stereo effects loop, and my loop is bouncing all over the place while what I'm playing isn't being effected at all (by what's in the loop) and then I raise it up a 5th, then down an octave by pressing a key on a midi keyboard, that I REALLY love this little beast. My loop style has changed since my JamMan days, that is for sure. It wasn't totally easy at first, but it's really starting to become second nature to me now. I found that pre making blank loops that correspond to drum sequence loops, works fine. I really don't see it as much of a limitation. I don't always work this way either, only when I want a relatively seamless loop. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 02:23:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05013; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:08:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:08:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:06:46 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16069-3C518CA0-527@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/25/02 8:49 AM, William Mcallister at BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net wrote: > I went to alto music (845-692-6922) EDP $649.99, Repeater $499.99. > Regards'Bill Matthias and Kim should perhaps take it as a compliment that with that price differential and with the longer feature list of the Repeater that there are those among us who waver back and forth about which to get. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 02:39:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06186; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:24:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP plays live reverse using the PMC-10 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:19:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's an approach to the live reverse thing that I programmed tonight--see if this is new to anybody but me. I'm using the PMC-10 MIDI pedal to control the Echoplex, and I have been using a momentary setting with string A double multiplying and string B double recording (I pretty much have quantize on all the time), thus working as a "set the loop" switch. This works well for changing the time signature--swell for turning 4 into 3, 8 into 7, bla bla bla-- I also have a pedal setting for "reverse now"--again something pretty doable with quantize off and insert on rev, but I don't have mine set up that way, so it's a parameter punch, then undo. Well, I combined them, and then ran the feedback to 0. Now, if I have a blank loop, I can play something and have it play back reversed one time (or more, with feedback higher, but I find it more effective if it doesn't repeat--kinda like Andre's Loopfeste opener). Again, for those of you with the right MIDI pedal, that's: Multiply on string A (when you press down), and record, parameter, undo (when you release). This assumes you have quantize off. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 03:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08549; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:54:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:54:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020126074932.84929.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:49:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Shielding for Power Transformer Induced Hum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125160737.02a24ec8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0_mtfD.A.0_B.R-lU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim is right on with the defense for his position. Regarding the hum influence of one rack device's transformer to another, I agree with Kim that this is bad design. However, you may find some mitigation by using so called mumetal, a soft iron alloy with high nickel content (85%), iron (15%) and other metals. I have used this type of material for electro magnetic interference with some success on in reducing emi in inductive tape heads (in cassette players) from electrically noisey automobile dashboards and ignition systems. It is useful for a broad range of frequencies of emi. read more at http://www.magnetic-shield.com/faq.html and read about a developmenter/experimenters kit at http://www.magnetic-shield.com/labkit.html You can demonstrate to yourself the ability of nickel to divert magnetic fields. Take 2 same size magnets that will repel each other when oriented against each other horizontally, and that you can cover pretty well with 1 or 2 USA nickel coins. These coins don't have nearly the nickel content, as mumetal, but they will show the base effect. Place one magnet on a non iron table top. Take the other same size magnet and orient it so that it will repel against the magnet on the table. You will feel the force against the magnet in your hand as it nears the magnet on the table. Now, place 1 or 2 nickels on the magnet on the table and bring the repelling hand magnet near the table magnet. You will notice that the repelling force between the 2 magnets feels much weaker. It feels and sounds is as though it 'blocks' the magnetic field, but I my understanding is that it actually 'dirverts' the field. bret --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 03:25 PM 1/25/2002, Alex Stahl wrote: > >Just to play devil's advocate, my goal for some thirty years has > been to > >run my entire studio off of one or a couple DC voltages, supplied at > home > >by a single power supply resembling a wall more than a wart (PV > panels in > >the cabin) and on the road by car batteries or whatever. Equipment > which > >already has DC input jacks makes it slightly easier to pretend I'm > ever > >going to complete this transition. > > A fine idea, and in fact that is often how telco and data center > racks > work. You generally have 48V DC running to each device. The DC supply > is > generated from a power supply shelf where you'll have fully redundant > power > supply modules converting the AC supply from the power company into > the 48V > DC. That's the sort of environment the networking system I'm > currently > designing goes into, so we don't need to deal with AC conversion. One > key > reason that is possible is that a standard exists for this power, and > every > device follows it and there are many vendors for the external > supplies. > Such a standard doesn't exist for music gear, so you'll probably > never > easily accomplish your goal. Of course, in the stuff I'm doing at the > > moment, the power shelf alone probably costs far more than most home > studios... > > > >It's also just not true that wall warts necessarily radiate more hum > into > >audio paths than internal power supplies. > > I think your statement should read "internal power supplies don't > necessarily radiate less hum than wall warts". > > If the internal supply is badly designed, than sure it will cause a > problem. However, the problem is "bad design", not "internal". A well > > designed internal supply will not have such a problem, and will > always beat > a wall wart for performance. > > > >The transformer inside one very expensive piece of gear I own is > directly > >beneath the mic preamp in another unit which I would like to have > mounted > >in an adjacent rack space. Oh well, not much I can do about that. > > that's bad design. You the customer shouldn't tolerate that > designer's > choice any more than a choice to use a wall wart. > > > >The internal power supply in another very popular multi-effects > processor > >is a horribly noisy piece of crap which not only generates more 60Hz > than > >a PG&E substation but only puts out more RF than Sutro Tower. Oh > well, not > >much I can do about that either. > > again, bad design. what you do about it is don't buy crap like that, > and > tell the manufacturer the reason why. > > My low-end Mackie 1202 mixer has an internal power supply and it > causes no > hum in the audio that I can hear. In fact, it's my belief that the > internal > supply is part of the reason the Mackie is as clean as it is for the > price. > It clearly didn't add too much to the cost, since the mixer was cheap > > enough to be an impulse buy for me. That's because the engineer who > designed it did a good job. > > The power supply is an incredibly important part of any audio gear. > You the > customer should realize that and it should carry much more weight in > your > buying decisions than it apparently does for most people. > > > >At least with a wall wart it's really simple to relocate the hum > >generator, keep all the AC in the bottom of the rack, or even > replace the > >power supply with something cleaner than any manufacturer puts > inside > >their gear if it's still a problem. > > I don't find that simple. I find it to be a pain in the ass actually > that I > should ever have to consider these options. > > > >Oh yeah, there's a decent chance that the first thing to fail in > your rack > >will be a power supply, and it's kinda cool to be able to carry > cheap > >spares and replace them in 30 seconds. > > That's also design. A well designed supply will take reliability into > > account, and it will will outlast most other parts of the system. The > worst > thing you have to worry about with a good internal supply is finding > a > standard IEC power cable or a fuse, either of which can be found > practically anywhere in the world on short notice. > > All of the power problems I ever have are wall warts either breaking > or > getting lost, or a device getting fried because the wrong wall wart > got > plugged into it. Wall warts are designed for sitting behind desks > where > they never move. They usually have wimpy wires and wimpy connectors > and not > very rugged construction that was never intended for the real world > that a > musician will put it in. So they break easily. Plus, every company > seems to > use a different wall wart, so when it breaks it's often hard to find > a > replacement. Oftentimes you can only get it by special order from the > > manufacturer! You don't have those headaches with proper internal > supplies. > > >Like I said, just playing devil's advocate. My only real pet peeve > is the > >Yamaha stuff which has an internal supply but a hardwired, way too > long, > >too stiff, unrepairable AC cord. > > that's also bad design, because in addition to what you mention it > also > means you can't switch plugs when you take it to another country with > > different power standards. bad, bad, bad. all supplies should use the > > standard IEC connector and support worldwide power voltages. > > kim > > > >At 10:17 PM -0800 1/25/02, max valentino wrote: > >>Absolutely right, Kim....thanks for continuing to say it. Who > knows > >>maybe someone will listen! > >>Max > >> > >> > >> > there is no excuse for wall warts in products intended for > >>>professional > >>>audio use. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 03:42:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12202; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:27:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:27:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125235207.02886b88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:18:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices In-Reply-To: References: <16069-3C518CA0-527@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-EfH5C.A.O4C.JdmU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:06 PM 1/25/2002, Mark Hamburg wrote: >on 1/25/02 8:49 AM, William Mcallister at BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net wrote: > > > I went to alto music (845-692-6922) EDP $649.99, Repeater $499.99. > > Regards'Bill > >Matthias and Kim should perhaps take it as a compliment that with that price >differential and with the longer feature list of the Repeater that there are >those among us who waver back and forth about which to get. hmm? if "length of feature list" is important, the EDP in fact has far more features and loop functions than the Repeater. Our incomplete manual is more than twice as long as their incomplete manual. :-) If you have to choose one or the other, make the choice based on what you do with looping, because other than the very highest level of functions the two are very different from each other and apply to different approaches to loops. Choose the one that matches what you want to do with looping. In a nutshell, I would say that the EDP is better for a live, interactive, improvisational style of looping where you are otherwise involved in playing another instrument. I think the Repeater is better for a more studio based approach where you use real-time looping as a compositional and recording tool. Neither does the other very well, which is why so many people are getting both. As for price, also include the other things you will likely buy to make a complete unit. Probably that means the EDP footpedal for the EDP, and for the Repeater a midi controller footpedal, additional compact flash card, and compact flash card reader. I think you end up spending around the same amount either way, once you add those items in. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 03:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13723; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:43:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:43:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c1a644$8b6c44c0$8862f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201251628.LAA06711@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Crusher X and Tuareg...........tres cool programs Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:36:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer Straschill wrote: > I just ran across this granular synthesis software synth called Crusher X by > Jörg Stelkens which I'd like to recommend to anyone interested in strange > noise. This thing is available as a stand-alone program or as a VST > plugin... www.stelkens.de Thanks, Rainer.........I love this program and have been using it for awhile. One thing that I have been doing is creating real time noises in this program and then importing them into TUAREG. a fantastic shareware program for the reasonable price of $35/US..........are you hip to this program? I love it. The incredibly innovative BRAM BOS from Amsterdam wrote it and it takes any .wav files and chops them, randomaly into 16 even parts which you can then filter, pan, distort, etc. and then use in a mixer with other similarly processed loops. It has a randomizing feature which is great for creating new 'bubble' rhythmic sounds. I love it because I can take crusher X files or convoluted files or ambient files and can turn any of them into really interesting yet idiosyncratic grooves. It is great for creating those: "this is cool, how the hell did you make it" kinds of grooves. Check it out. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 04:21:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17064; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:07:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:07:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125112307.051c6210@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:58:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE:EDP or REPEATER? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124142522.01e57930@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:12 PM 1/24/2002, William R. Walker, wrote: >5. You would rather support an innovative, small company like Electrix, or >a much larger corporate entity like Gibson ( who makes the EDP,correct me >if I'm wrong) you are wrong. At 08:05 PM 1/24/2002, William R. Walker, wrote: > I knew I'd catch hell for my Gibson comments. I did not mean to diss >Mathias, Kim, Eric or any of the people directly responsible for the EDP. Then why did you say it? Your comments are quite inaccurate and are directly causing harm to us, and damaging our ability to make a living from what we do. Aurisis Research is a very small operation, and we've been struggling to make the best looping products we can for more than 10 years, with practically no resources. You are not helping. >My beef is with Gibson the corporate entity, and their history with other >small companies they have dealt with in the past like Opcode, which >directly impacted friends of mine, as in loss of job. I don't see what that has to do with us. In terms of looping, Gibson has continued to support the EDP project since 1993. That is longer than any other company has supported a dedicated looping product *EVER*. There are all sorts of reasons why they could have dumped it long ago, but they believed in the idea and were willing to have the patience and willing to devote the resources to see it live. So are they good or evil? >I also think that >Gibson has priced their guitars out of the range of working professionals >which I find frustrating and sad. they sell them for that price because plenty of people are willing to pay that price. that's what we call "capitalism" outside of santa cruz. :-) > I think the EDP is a wonderfull tool which I may ultimately buy, but I >still see Electrix as the David to Gibson's Goliath, and I know they have >been struggling and I want to support them in attaining some longevity. >cheers >Bill Sorry, but that is NOT how it is. Aurisis Research completely owns the echoplex technology. We devoted a huge part of our life and savings and creative energies to creating it. We license to Gibson because we don't have the resources ourselves to pay for manufacturing and sales activities and customer support and so many other things that Gibson has the resources and infrastructure to do. That leaves us free to focus on the engineering and development of dedicated looping devices, which is what we do know how to do. We do have to be constantly involved in the EDP activities at Gibson because without that it would have stopped a long time ago. That is ok though, because that is our role in this partnership. We do whatever we can to keep the EDP as a viable product for them, and therefore they keep making it, which results in us continuing to eke out a little bit of earnings from it all to pay for the next development. This relationship has worked reasonably well since 1993. From my point of view, Electrix is a much bigger operation than Aurisis Research. They actually have full time employees!! Everybody involved with Aurisis has to take other jobs to pay for our living expenses, just so we can keep things going. It is only recently that Matthias has been able to focus on it full time, but that has not always been the case. We are constantly struggling to find time around work schedules and families and the rest of our lives to do this, and it's been a lot of sacrifice to make it happen. Comments like yours really do hurt, both motivationally and economically. I don't mean to take anything from Electrix though. I like those guys and I wish them the best of luck and success. But you're completely wrong to think you are dealing with "David vs Goliath" here. It's two Davids. The only Goliath in the picture is the level of interest in the market and whether enough people will continue buying either one of these loop boxes to keep either shoe-string operation afloat. I would say that is the real big question mark right now in both directions. So if your purchasing decisions are motivated by philanthropic notions of helping the little guy, max that credit card and buy some of each! Before too long, you might regret it if you didn't.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 05:42:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24103; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:27:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:27:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices/Re: Can I be loopy too?/RE: Am I good enough for my looper? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:29:44 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a65c$c0edda60$b16a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snipzz~ cross topic possibilities are endless -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, January 26, 2002 1:39 AM Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices >on 1/25/02 8:49 AM, William Mcallister at BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net wrote: >> I went to alto music (845-692-6922) EDP $649.99, Repeater $499.99.>> Regards'Bill > >Matthias and Kim should perhaps take it as a compliment that with that price>differential and with the longer feature list of the Repeater that there are>those among us who waver back and forth about which to get. > >Mark > Mark - nope, not here. I went for the EDP after seeing my g/f (grace period. a female vocalist who loops) use same since 1994/5. After sacking her EDP in early 98, I found I needed one myself and in mid 98 acquired same ~$900+ on Ebay, worth every friggin' penny. because yes, at that point I needed to spend $1K to get to that extended expression I heard but was not able to get to with the RDS8000 and LXP15. So I spent the amount I could spare, at the time I needed most for an item that was not yet in production again. Not a single regret. I had to upgrade the OS and get a new f/p and i'm a happy camper. I also picked up the RPTR (actually two, g/f now has to have what I have) at a way low price from Alto and they were sent as soon as available and great. I get into it and yep, it does a bunch of things and just about everything as advertised. but there was a whole upgrade thing and whatnot, but my point with the RPTR remains, it is a loop based recorder by it's own definition. Lot's of things loop. Not all things loop on command. The RPTR doesn't. A lot of computer programs don't. As some fine folks here on the LD have noticed and found, many puter programs loop on command. Why is this important? well it is for me, so if anyone has that slant on loops and is somehow attempting to discern differences betwixt the EDP or RPTR just check out their respective faceplates. So owning both - no waver factor here. If I want to loop in real time (which I do) I use the EDP. I haven't found a use yet for the RPTR. So that is $460?+ that was poorly spent, as I could have just borrowed my g/f's RPTR to find out I didn't need it. Buy and use what you need is all i'm saying. Makes the most sense in this new economic climate, brrrr. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 06:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26112; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:55:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:55:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020126011708.02879ea0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:46:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE:EDP or REPEATER? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8qGejD.A.qTG.hooU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:12 PM 1/24/2002, William R. Walker, wrote: >Heh William! > >If the following things are true for you, I'd get a Repeater. >1. You want to be able to save loops for later playing. true, Repeater is nice for that. The EDP doesn't offer much for saving, midi sample dump is useless for loops this long, so you pretty much have to record the analog outs. You can automate this fairly easily with midi though, but direct digital is better. The EDP was really designed around the idea of constantly manipulating and evolving the loop, so the idea of saving the loop at some static point wasn't really considered, since that isn't really the point of it. I've heard with the Repeater though, it is kind of a pain to really move files back and forth from pc audio programs, but I don't really care about that so I've never looked into it. >2. You want to be able to play your loops from a midi controller (much like >you would a normal sampler)over a 3 octave range. no, Repeater is not really like a sampler. With a sampler you press a key and the sample triggers instantly. Repeater doesn't do that. It will que up a loop to play after the current loop finishes, but not trigger it immediately. It will transpose the pitch of the current loop with a key press, which is really great and I think that is the feature you are referring to. But that is more like the roland VP-9000 than a sampler. The EDP on the other hand, does trigger it's loops instantly with a key press, and is velocity sensitive. Or if you choose, it can que them up in a quantized fashion as the Repeater does. There are several different sampler modes that let you choose if you want to trigger a loop from the beginning and play as long as you hold the key, trigger for a one-shot play and stop, jump back to the loop wherever you last left it, or play from the start and keep going. If you mix this with autorecord you can also record all of your loops this way, instantly jumping from one loop to another and recording bits in real time and then jumping back to them to play what you grabbed. Fun to automate with a sequencer. Add real-time loop copies to that and there are many fun possibilities available nowhere else. the EDP doesn't do any pitch transposing though, like the Repeater does. So neither works truly like a sampler. The EDP is more sampler-like to me though, and the Repeater is more like a roland VP-9000. >3. You can live with the three button footswitch, until you integrate a >midi footcontroller into your rig. (you are limited to >Record/Overdub,Stop/Start,and Undo/Redone, with the 3 button footswitch) if you can live with the 3-button switch, save yourself some money and buy the Akai Headrush since that is what you will reduce your Repeater to. If you actually plan to occupy your hands with another instrument and really use the features of the Repeater, you need a midi controller. >4. You can live without the instant overdub capability a alaA the EDP. That record into overdub thing is so boring. that's looping state of the art circa 1965. There's a hell of a lot more different about the EDP than that. The real-time multiply and insert and loop copies, multiple undo's, brother sync, unrounded multiply/insert, granular micro-looping, fully real-time funcion control, the sampler modes mentioned above, choice of quantized/unquantized function use, delay vs loop modes, continuous feedback control, crossfade knob, direct function to function access, the sync and time signature capabilities, etc etc. Likewise, there is far more different about the repeater - slip, beat detect, trim, 4 tracks, fx loop, independent pitch and tempo change, mix sliders, etc etc.. >5. You would rather support an innovative, small company like Electrix, or >a much larger corporate entity like Gibson ( who makes the EDP,correct me >if I'm wrong) you are wrong, see other mail. >and has built a reputation of buying up small innovative companies and >running them into the ground (see Opcode, among others). see how many of them ran themselves into the ground before Gibson ever came along. >Either way, they are both worthy devices, and one could argue that Gibson >resurrected the EDP, though for how long I don't know. there was no resurrection, since it never was dead. >Disclaimer: I have never owned an EDP, I have checked them out thoroughly >however, and I was never too impressed by the footswitch which seemed >suspiciously like an ADA footswitch, and a bit flimsy. it is a lot like an ADA footswitch because we were working with ADA at the time and they made suggestions in how the make a simple and easy to manufacture footswitch. Zeta also had suspiciously similar footswitches. We designed the footswitch so that it is extremely easy for users to repair it, modify it, or build their own custom switch. No secrets in there, it is easy for anybody to do it. All of the intelligence of the switch is in the rack, and only a simple mono patch cable is needed to connect the entire footswitch to the rack unit. the footswitch itself is dead simple. Building your own is simply a matter of a momentary switch and a resistor for each function. Details are here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html We did that so anybody can make whatever control mechanism they like, without needing an engineering degree to do it. Mediocre soldering skills are good enough. >I always relied on a >jamman which only had four button footswitch live capability( unless you >used a midi pedal),so the repeater doesn't strike me, as it does some >loopers as a particularly cumbersome live tool. There was a time long ago when I was happy with Johnny Walker Red. Yes it's true! I didn't know any better. It was probably a glass of Glenlivet that awakened me to the possibilities the world had to offer. At the moment, as I sip a dram of Highland Park that's all but melting in my mouth, I can't even imagine going back to those dark days... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 06:30:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28719; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:16:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:57:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Cables From: "Paul Harriman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com having moved a studio from US to UK, and then added equipment in UK, I can comment. 1) started by having a big beefy power transformer and isolation transformer after it to condition the power and keep a 110V power bus around 2) started figuring out how to make things work on 240V, (little red switches, power supply jumpers on the pcbs, some just needed the right cables) 3) some things just refused to work on 50hz. Qsc monitor amp was one. Bought a new monitor amp. 4) got REAL CAREFUL about looking at power ratings on new gear to make sure they run 90-250V, 50/60Hz. No excuses from manufacturers for not doing so. so after 4 years I'm almost, but not quite, 100% multivoltage (some old stuff I can't bear to part with, like the Effectron) ---------- >From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Cables >Date: Sat, Jan 26, 2002, 2:05 am > > What does a person do when they have a whole rack of equipment and go to > europe or somewhere and the power supplies are different. What a bummer. > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 07:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01727; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:18:12 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a66b$e7cf0460$b16a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com major snipps -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:25 AM Subject: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >At 02:12 PM 1/24/2002, William R. Walker, wrote: >>Heh William! >>If the following things are true for you, I'd get a Repeater. >The EDP on the other hand, does trigger it's loops instantly with a key >press, and is velocity sensitive. Or if you choose, it can que them up in a >quantized fashion as the Repeater does. There are several different sampler >modes that let you choose if you want to trigger a loop from the beginning >and play as long as you hold the key, trigger for a one-shot play and stop, >jump back to the loop wherever you last left it, or play from the start and >keep going. If you mix this with autorecord you can also record all of your >loops this way, instantly jumping from one loop to another and recording >bits in real time and then jumping back to them to >>>play what you grabbed. what he said. >Fun to automate with a sequencer. Add real-time loop copies to that and >there are many fun possibilities available nowhere else. the EDP is deep > >the EDP doesn't do any pitch transposing though, like the Repeater does. So >neither works truly like a sampler. The EDP is more sampler-like to me>though, and the Repeater is more like a roland VP-9000. I should have looked into the VP instead of the RPTR! I wasn't too impressed with RPTR pitching either (unless used for it's fuzz like abilities, highly praise) and went back to using processor pitching until I hooked up with some older gear and got it right with knobs and things. >>3. You can live with the three button footswitch, until you integrate a >>midi footcontroller into your rig. (you are limited to >>Record/Overdub,Stop/Start,and Undo/Redone, with the 3 button footswitch) >if you can live with the 3-button switch, save yourself some money and buy >the Akai Headrush since that is what you will reduce your Repeater to. If you actually plan to occupy your hands with another instrument and really >use the features of the Repeater, you need a midi controller. there are also a whole host of used tools that others have discarded in an attempt to find the newest thing that does everything. > >>4. You can live without the instant overdub capability a alaA the EDP. >That record into overdub thing is so boring. that's looping state of the >art circa 1965. There's a hell of a lot more different about the EDP than >that. The real-time multiply and insert and loop copies, multiple undo's, >brother sync, unrounded multiply/insert, granular micro-looping, fully >real-time funcion control, the sampler modes mentioned above, choice of >quantized/unquantized function use, delay vs loop modes, continuous >feedback control, crossfade knob, direct function to function access, the >sync and time signature capabilities, etc etc. > >Likewise, there is far more different about the repeater - slip, beat >detect, trim, 4 tracks, fx loop, independent pitch and tempo change, mix >sliders, etc etc.. still the most important function for my looping is playing and having the loop answer when called upon. kind of the way one goes about playing an instrument (any instrument/tool). if it doesn't deliver when I ask it to then it doesn't perform it's duties (is not working) or I don't understand how to use that tool at that given time. So I work on that tool/instrument until I nail it. Then again, I don't play the tuba. Nor do I have any interest in same, at this given time. > >>5. You would rather support an innovative, small company like Electrix, or >>a much larger corporate entity like Gibson ( who makes the EDP,correct me >>if I'm wrong) > >you are wrong, see other mail. agreed with Kim and have to add - I think I will also post this to the Steinberger group on Yahoo. It's a shame that a company with money, like Gibson would actually taint the reputations of small innovative companies, just because they (Gibson) have money and marketing power that is, well, what it is. unless someone has a personal gripe (and some do) Gibson is guilty of what a lot of other companies are guilty of. making money. If you decide (without investigating) that one product is better deserving of your money then you had better know that you are uninformed. as Zappa would say, "I figure the odds be 50/50", (man I must be sleepy). shitty odds for money. > >>I always relied on a >>jamman which only had four button footswitch live capability( unless you >>used a midi pedal),so the repeater doesn't strike me, as it does some >>loopers as a particularly cumbersome live tool. > >There was a time long ago when I was happy with Johnny Walker Red. Yes it's >true! I didn't know any better. It was probably a glass of Glenlivet that >awakened me to the possibilities the world had to offer. At the moment, as >I sip a dram of Highland Park that's all but melting in my mouth, I can't >even imagine going back to those dark days... >kim > I remember drinking Red at a beach party, waking up to a young woman singing around a fire (quite frightening actually) and taking the train drunk and queasy. and i upchucked. Years later at Highland Brewery (which used to be Fat Tuesday's where Les Paul played [he's now at Iridium]) I had among other things an 18 yr. old Glenlivet. and well, that was a very nice evening. best wishes, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 11:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15543; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:07:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:07:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <18.1920fe7d.29842cb2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:00:50 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #44 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If there's anybody really up to "snuff" with the fcb1010 programing with > > the Repeater (os1.1), please e-mail me. Yes, I've already contacted > Behringer > and Electrix. but I'll take all the help I can. > Hi james, Can I ask a favour. Is it possible you could check how quickly the fcb1010 responds. That is, is there a noticeable delay from hitting the switch to getting the function. andy butler (thinking about getting one for the EDP) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 11:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15967; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c1a683$a07da540$0100007f@skynet.be> From: "Peter Van Woensel" To: Subject: Pad controlling of a jamman?? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:06:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1A68B.D5BD4320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1A68B.D5BD4320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Looper's i am a percussionplayer and i use a jamman . great! does anyone know how i can use two pads of my Octopad to start and = stop the recording and looping in stead of using the pedals????? thanks Peter ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1A68B.D5BD4320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1A68B.D5BD4320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 12:06:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17779; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:51:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:51:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:45:42 -0600 Message-ID: <00b801c1a688$e4a29d70$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020126011708.02879ea0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There was a time long ago when I was happy with Johnny Walker > Red. Yes it's > true! I didn't know any better. It was probably a glass of > Glenlivet that > awakened me to the possibilities the world had to offer. At > the moment, as > I sip a dram of Highland Park that's all but melting in my > mouth, I can't > even imagine going back to those dark days... > Personally I prefer McCallan 18yr. :-) Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 12:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20618; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:27:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:27:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRjcpUmjszbIB6TSAB1OYhwQ+woEgIVAKSfr4dPkYDbCf4Fbdaqijc57avV From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:21:38 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Message-ID: <17677-3C52E5A2-2047@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Kim Flint 's message of Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:46:58 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the EDP or the Repeater is it possible to start and stop the loop at any given time? Say like a verse chourus. You establish a rhythmic loop and play it for eight bars as a verse, then stop, and play something else on a different instrument for four bars then start the loop again for another eight bars and stop? also on the Repeater can you do the samething but have a complicated rhythm that you made at home (and stored it) then take it to the gig, and do the verse chorus thing with it. My EDP should be arriving next tuesday. Yee-haw. And now a moment of silence. Thankx for the input. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 13:03:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21814; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:49:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:49:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C52EA5E.54B9D3B0@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:41:50 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? References: <17677-3C52E5A2-2047@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the EDP answer YES this is done with mute and it can be instant or quantized when you unmute two behaviour possibilities restart (retrig from the start of the loop (quantized or not)) unmute (you hear the loop at the point where it should be (quantized or not)) you probably know this page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Claude William Mcallister wrote: > > On the EDP or the Repeater is it possible to start and stop the loop at > any given time? Say like a verse chourus. You establish a rhythmic loop > and play it for eight bars as a verse, then stop, and play something > else on a different instrument for four bars then start the loop again > for another eight bars and stop? also on the Repeater can you do the > samething but have a complicated rhythm that you made at home (and > stored it) then take it to the gig, and do the verse chorus thing with > it. My EDP should be arriving next tuesday. Yee-haw. And now a moment of > silence. Thankx for the input. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 13:16:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24013; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:01:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:01:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020126175509.80824.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:55:09 -0800 (PST) From: Elizabeth Stewart Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020125174920.17199.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the interest of looping science, how about you DO > buy > a looper, but DO NOT join the group? Well, with all due respect, I think I'll join the group BEFORE I buy a looper. You see, I have this thing about making judgements based on having as much info as possible. However, I will try not to cramp anyone's style with my lack of knowledge in technical matters... You will > become a > looping-newt, and in a couple months you can share > your > newt-loops with us. I'm hoping to advance to Gekko (not Geiko) by then- with the help of my friend Dr. Z(my, my, what does that stand for?) > Welcome. Thanksch. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 13:16:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24142; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:02:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:02:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:02:28 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a69c$004c6480$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips - -----Original Message----- From: M. Steven Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, January 26, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: RE: EDP or REPEATER? > >> There was a time long ago when I was happy with Johnny Walker >> Red. Yes it's >> true! I didn't know any better. It was probably a glass of >> Glenlivet that >> awakened me to the possibilities the world had to offer. At >> the moment, as >> I sip a dram of Highland Park that's all but melting in my >> mouth, I can't >> even imagine going back to those dark days... >> > >Personally I prefer McCallan 18yr. :-) > >Steve > Steve - now we're talking. actually prefer the McCallan labeled at 12 yrs when it is 18 yrs. Just different is all, but the MC labeled at 18 yrs is primo. I was thinking what I might have from Speyside earlier, now the endless options at a locale downtown will be more fun. yours, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 13:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24781; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:10:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:10:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:12:02 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a69d$56048e60$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips - in pieces -----Original Message----- From: William Mcallister To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, January 26, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >On the EDP or the Repeater is it possible to start and stop the loop >at any given time? On the EDP yes, on the RPTR no. >Say like a verse chourus. You establish a rhythmic loop and play it >for eight bars as a verse, then stop, and play something else on a >different instrument for four bars then start the loop again for >another eight bars and stop? this is a different scenario. the answer is changed to yes on the EDP and yes on the RPTR. If you need to trigger a loop after it has been played and are not worried about instantaneous play back then either will afford you this luxury as do most minidiscs, some dats and a whole lot of gear that I don't use. >also on the Repeater can you do the samething but have a >complicated rhythm that you made at home (and >stored it) then take it to the gig, and do the verse chorus thing with >it. yes on the RPTR. not an option on the EDP. but again also available in other gear, minidiscs, et cetera. >My EDP should be arriving next tuesday. Yee-haw. And now a >moment of silence. Thankx for the input. Bill/Las Vegas many happy returns (uh, erm loops). best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 13:44:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25920; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:29:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <17677-3C52E5A2-2047@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <17677-3C52E5A2-2047@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:24:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On the EDP or the Repeater is it possible to start and stop the loop at >any given time? Say like a verse chourus. You establish a rhythmic loop >and play it for eight bars as a verse, then stop, and play something >else on a different instrument for four bars then start the loop again >for another eight bars and stop? yes, the Repeater will do this. You can have up to 99 loops, which is crazy, considering even if you maxed the memory your loops would be under a second, but it would work. >also on the Repeater can you do the >samething but have a complicated rhythm that you made at home (and >stored it) then take it to the gig, and do the verse chorus thing with >it. yes, that will work too >My EDP should be arriving next tuesday. Yee-haw. And now a moment of >silence. Thankx for the input. Bill/Las Vegas have fun! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 14:02:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27038; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.178cb4ee.298451b1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:38:41 EST Subject: Anybody out there speak Italian? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA26582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This just popped up at http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM Flux Aeterna, Ted Killian (pfMentum - USA - 2001) Maurizio Comandini Ecco un album che potrebbe essere usato per attirare nelle caverne misteriose delle avanguardie anche gli appassionati di rock più curiosi. Lo diciamo con grande simpatia per questo tipo di tranelli, del tutto leciti e propedeutici, addirittura essenziali per la crescita delle migliori pulsioni cognitive. Il chitarrista Ted Killian costruisce dieci brani in perfetta solitudine (assistito dal trombettista Jeff Kaiser solo per la parte tecnica relativa al missaggio e alla masterizzazione) e lo fa utilizzando al meglio le tecniche del loop e delle sovraincisioni, creando una sorta di alone fatto di piccoli anelli di suono, sussurri ritmici, rumori industriali messi in fila a creare una sorta di matrice frammentata, e su questo panorama sonoro che gli fa da sfondo improvvisa a lungo con la sua chitarra elettrica ben effettata che utilizza con una notevole padronanza di un linguaggio piuttosto originale che lascia intravedere squarci di una perfetta conoscenza delle tecniche e dei suoni legati al rock e alla psichedelia. Killian ha una visione molto interessante su come far interagire queste due componenti (fondali derivati dalla musica d'avanguardia e improvvisazione rockeggiante) e riesce a tenere ben desta l'attenzione anche per i brani più lunghi (spesso si passano gli otto minuti) che sono solitamente basati su suggestive sezioni ipnotiche che lasciano immaginare inusuali manipolazioni morfologiche delle sonorità di base impiegate. Certi momenti potrebbero essere tranquillamente trapiantati nei dischi dei Grateful Dead più lisergici o magari in qualche produzione di Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser o di David Torn, i primi nomi che vengono alla mente ascoltando questo ottimo Flux Aeterna registrato in California nella primavera del 2001. Sito della pfMentum: www.pfmentum.com Maurizio Comandini, All About Jazz, http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 14:09:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27657; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:54:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:54:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c1a69a$69bddef0$07011eac@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <200201251628.LAA06711@hemlock.violacea.com> <00bc01c1a644$8b6c44c0$8862f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: Crusher X and Tuareg...........tres cool programs Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:51:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4lx0vD.A.HpG.VovU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i must heartily second the Tuareg vote. his interface/mixer concept and mixing functions are both simple and genius. one of those ideas you really wonder why it hadn't turned up before. apart from a lack of zero-crossing support in the variator and gate mask functions, and some interface quibbles in this version, 1.5, i absolutely love it. best $35 i've ever spent on software. and pretty much all of my current gripes are being addressed in Tu2, which sounds like it's fairly close at hand (don't quote me, i'm only hoping). it sounded like he had a lot of the underlying audio processing code complete and he was working on the interface. gotta check out this crusher x program now ... i've been using HOG http://shoko.calarts.edu/hog/ to convolve wave samples and get some really odd stuff to fart around in Tuareg with. HOG's a beta program, so it's got a couple bugs, but it's a blast, highly recommended. btw, anyone know of any other available wave convolution programs, or programs that have that function? love, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 3:36 AM Subject: Crusher X and Tuareg...........tres cool programs > Rainer Straschill wrote: > > > I just ran across this granular synthesis software synth called Crusher X > by > > Jörg Stelkens which I'd like to recommend to anyone interested in strange > > noise. This thing is available as a stand-alone program or as a VST > > plugin... www.stelkens.de > > Thanks, Rainer.........I love this program and have been using it for > awhile. > > One thing that I have been doing is creating real time noises in this > program and then importing them into TUAREG. a fantastic shareware program > for the reasonable price of $35/US..........are you hip to this program? > I love it. The incredibly innovative BRAM BOS from Amsterdam wrote it > and it takes any .wav files and chops them, randomaly into 16 even parts > which you can then filter, pan, distort, etc. and then use in a mixer with > other similarly processed loops. > It has a randomizing feature which is great for creating new 'bubble' > rhythmic sounds. > > I love it because I can take crusher X files or convoluted files or ambient > files and can turn any of them into really interesting yet idiosyncratic > grooves. > > It is great for creating those: "this is cool, how the hell did you make > it" kinds of grooves. Check it out. > > yours, Rick Walker > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 14:16:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29309; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:01:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:01:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c1a69d$56048e60$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> References: <01c1a69d$56048e60$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:56:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >snips - in pieces >-----Original Message----- >From: William Mcallister >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Date: Saturday, January 26, 2002 11:53 AM >Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? > > >>On the EDP or the Repeater is it possible to start and stop the loop >at >any given time? > >On the EDP yes, on the RPTR no. you're totally wrong on that. You can stop and start the Repeater at will via it's front controls, or via MIDI. In fact, it constantly trips me up when I'm recording with my computer, and I do a take and press play, and it restarts my loop. > >Say like a verse chourus. You establish a rhythmic loop and play it >for >eight bars as a verse, then stop, and play something else on a >different >instrument for four bars then start the loop again for >another eight bars >and stop? > >this is a different scenario. the answer is changed to yes on the EDP and >yes on the RPTR. If you need to trigger a loop after it has been played and >are not worried about instantaneous play back then either will afford you >this >luxury as do most minidiscs, some dats and a whole lot of gear that I don't >use. > > >>also on the Repeater can you do the samething but have a >complicated >rhythm that you made at home (and >>stored it) then take it to the gig, and do the verse chorus thing with >>it. > >yes on the RPTR. not an option on the EDP. but again also available in other >gear, minidiscs, et cetera. > > >>My EDP should be arriving next tuesday. Yee-haw. And now a >moment of >silence. Thankx for the input. >Bill/Las Vegas > > >many happy returns (uh, erm loops). >best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 14:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31175; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:31:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:31:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:30:03 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125235207.02886b88@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/26/02 12:18 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > hmm? > if "length of feature list" is important, the EDP in fact has far more > features and loop functions than the Repeater. Our incomplete manual is > more than twice as long as their incomplete manual. :-) Here are the "features" I was thinking about on the Repeater: * Stereo * Effects loop (which can be switched in position thereby reducing the need for a mixer, Switchblade, etc.) * Higher sample rate (which ought to translate into somewhat better audio specs) * Pitch/Tempo shifting. That doesn't matter as much to me but I've seen various uses of the Repeater based around playing extensively with pitch shifting. * A nice, solid feel to the knobs and switches (though I guess that gets balanced against having an external power supply -- a point that surprises me since the Mo-FX has an internal power supply) In constrast, the better live looping features of the EDP are harder to explain except to people who have been working reasonably extensively with looping. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 14:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31348; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:32:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:25:55 -0800 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Anybody out there speak Italian? In-reply-to: <4f.178cb4ee.298451b1@aol.com> X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1200049330==_ma============" References: <4f.178cb4ee.298451b1@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1200049330==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well according to : At 1:38 PM -0500 1/26/02, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: >This just popped up at >http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM > >Flux Aeterna, Ted Killian >(pfMentum - USA - 2001) > >Maurizio Comandini > >Ecco un album che potrebbe essere usato per attirare nelle caverne misterio= se >delle avanguardie anche gli appassionati di rock pi=F9 curiosi. Lo diciamo = con >grande simpatia per questo tipo di tranelli, del tutto leciti e propedeutic= i, >addirittura essenziali per la crescita delle migliori pulsioni cognitive. Here a album that could be used in order to attract in the mysterious caverns of the vanguards also the fans of rock more onlookers. We say with great sympathy for this type of tranelli, of all lawful and propedeutici, the quite essential ones for the increase of the best cognitive pulsioni. >Il chitarrista Ted Killian costruisce dieci brani in perfetta solitudine >(assistito dal trombettista Jeff Kaiser solo per la parte tecnica relativa = al >missaggio e alla masterizzazione) e lo fa utilizzando al meglio le tecniche >del loop e delle sovraincisioni, creando una sorta di alone fatto di piccol= i >anelli di suono, sussurri ritmici, rumori industriali messi in fila a crear= e >una sorta di matrice frammentata, e su questo panorama sonoro che gli fa da >sfondo improvvisa a lungo con la sua chitarra elettrica ben effettata che >utilizza con una notevole padronanza di un linguaggio piuttosto originale c= he >lascia intravedere squarci di una perfetta conoscenza delle tecniche e dei >suoni legati al rock e alla psichedelia. The chitarrista Ted Killian only constructs ten brani in perfect solitudine (assisted from the trombettista Jeff Kaiser for relative the technical part to the missaggio and to the masterizzazione) and ago using to the best the techniques of loop and the sovraincisioni, creating made a ring halo risen one small of sound, it whispers industrial ritmici, noises puttinges in row to create rising of fragmented matrix, and on this sonorous panorama that ago from unexpected background to along with its guitar electrical worker very effettata that it rather uses with a remarkable mastery of a language original that leaves to catch a glimpse gashes of one perfect acquaintance of the techniques and the sounds legacies to the rock and to the psichedelia. >Killian ha una visione molto interessante su come far interagire queste due >componenti (fondali derivati dalla musica d'avanguardia e improvvisazione >rockeggiante) e riesce a tenere ben desta l'attenzione anche per i brani pi= =F9 >lunghi (spesso si passano gli otto minuti) che sono solitamente basati su >suggestive sezioni ipnotiche che lasciano immaginare inusuali manipolazioni >morfologiche delle sonorit=E0 di base impiegate. Certi momenti potrebbero >essere tranquillamente trapiantati nei dischi dei Grateful Dead pi=F9 liser= gici >o magari in qualche produzione di Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser o di David >Torn, i primi nomi che vengono alla mente ascoltando questo ottimo Flux >Aeterna registrato in California nella primavera del 2001. >Sito della pfMentum: >www.pfmentum.com Killian has a vision a lot interesting on as making to interact these two members (fondali derived from vanguard music and rockeggiante improvisation) and succeeds to hold very arouses the attention also for the longer brani (often passes the eight minuteren) that usually they are based on evocative ipnotiche sections that leave to imagine inusuali morphologic manipulations of the employed sonorit=E0 of base. Sure moments could calmly be transplanted in lisergici discs of the Grateful Dead or even in some production than Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser or of David Torn, the first names that come to the mind listening this optimal Flux Aeterna recorded in California in the spring of the 2001. Situated of the pfMentum: >Maurizio Comandini, All About Jazz, >http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. --============_-1200049330==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Anybody out there speak Italian?

    Well according to <http://babel.altavista.com>:

    At 1:38 PM -0500 1/26/02, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote:
    This just popped up at
    http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM
    Flux Aeterna, Ted Killian
    (pfMentum - USA - 2001)
    Maurizio Comandini
    Ecco un album che potrebbe essere usato per attirare nelle caverne misteriose
    delle avanguardie anche gli appassionati di rock pi=F9 curiosi. Lo diciamo con
    grande simpatia per questo tipo di tranelli, del tutto leciti e propedeutici,
    addirittura essenziali per la crescita delle migliori pulsioni cognitive.

    Here a album that could be used in order to attract in the mysterious caverns of the vanguards also the fans of rock more onlookers. We say with great sympathy for this type of tranelli, of all lawful and propedeutici, the quite essential ones for the increase of the best cognitive pulsioni.
     
    Il chitarrista Ted Killian costruisce dieci brani in perfetta solitudine
    (assistito dal trombettista Jeff Kaiser solo per la parte tecnica relativa al
    missaggio e alla masterizzazione) e lo fa utilizzando al meglio le tecniche
    del loop e delle sovraincisioni, creando una sorta di alone fatto di piccoli
    anelli di suono, sussurri ritmici, rumori industriali messi in fila a creare
    una sorta di matrice frammentata, e su questo panorama sonoro che gli fa da
    sfondo improvvisa a lungo con la sua chitarra elettrica ben effettata che
    utilizza con una notevole padronanza di un linguaggio piuttosto originale che
    lascia intravedere squarci di una perfetta conoscenza delle tecniche e dei
    suoni legati al rock e alla psichedelia.

    The chitarrista Ted Killian only constructs ten brani in perfect solitudine (assisted from the trombettista Jeff Kaiser for relative the technical part to the missaggio and to the masterizzazione) and ago using to the best the techniques of loop and the sovraincisioni, creating made a ring halo risen one small of sound, it whispers industrial ritmici, noises puttinges in row to create rising of fragmented matrix, and on this sonorous panorama that ago from unexpected background to along with its guitar electrical worker very effettata that it rather uses with a remarkable mastery of a language original that leaves to catch a glimpse gashes of one perfect acquaintance of the techniques and the sounds legacies to the rock and to the psichedelia.

    Killian ha una visione molto interessante su come far interagire queste due
    componenti (fondali derivati dalla musica d'avanguardia e improvvisazione
    rockeggiante) e riesce a tenere ben desta l'attenzione anche per i brani pi=F9
    lunghi (spesso si passano gli otto minuti) che sono solitamente basati su
    suggestive sezioni ipnotiche che lasciano immaginare inusuali manipolazioni
    morfologiche delle sonorit=E0 di base impiegate. Certi momenti potrebbero
    essere tranquillamente trapiantati nei dischi dei Grateful Dead pi=F9 lisergici
    o magari in qualche produzione di Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser o di David
    Torn, i primi nomi che vengono alla mente ascoltando questo ottimo =46lux
    Aeterna registrato in California nella primavera del 2001.
    Sito della pfMentum:
    www.pfmentum.com

    Killian has a vision a lot interesting on as making to interact these two members (fondali derived from vanguard music and rockeggiante improvisation) and succeeds to hold very arouses the attention also for the longer brani (often passes the eight minuteren) that usually they are based on evocative ipnotiche sections that leave to imagine inusuali morphologic manipulations of the employed sonorit=E0 of base. Sure moments could calmly be transplanted in lisergici discs of the Grateful Dead or even in some production than Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser or of David Torn, the first names that come to the mind listening this optimal Flux Aeterna recorded in California in the spring of the 2001. Situated of the pfMentum:
    Maurizio Comandini, All About Jazz,
    http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM


    --
     http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between
        cbm@well.com       | theory and practice. In practice, there is.
    --============_-1200049330==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 15:21:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02403; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:06:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:03:46 -0800 Subject: Aurisis, Gibson, etc. (was Re: EDP or REPEATER?) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125112307.051c6210@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depending on Gibson's motivation for doing a version 2 of the Echoplex hardware -- and it's definitely on the hardware side as opposed to the software side where the Echoplex is looking long-in-the-tooth -- would it be possible for Aurisis to find some other company with existing appropriate hardware that could be used to host an OS built on Aurisis's experience doing the Echoplex? Candidate hardware that I can think of includes the Repeater and the SP-808. Would an approach like this help resolve some of the cost issues that were previously discussed with respect to bringing a new unit to market? That being said, I think the original Ensoniq sampler is about the only music hardware product I'm aware of that's had an alternate OS developed for it. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 15:49:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04004; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:35:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:35:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c1a6a8$599c0c00$1a483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Reply-To: "skincage" From: "skincage" To: Subject: a different kind of loop Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:30:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com out of curiosity, does anyone just happen to know how expensive it is do put locked grooves on records? is there a maximum amount you could do per size of record, etc? Jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 15:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04328; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:39:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:39:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c1a6a8$7ae79b40$0101a8c0@workstation1> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <4f.178cb4ee.298451b1@aol.com> Subject: Re: Anybody out there speak Italian? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:31:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A6B0.DBC28DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4iEjZC.A.A9.HKxU8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A6B0.DBC28DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Anybody out there speak Italian? > This just popped up at=20 > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM >=20 > Flux Aeterna, Ted Killian=20 > (pfMentum - USA - 2001)=20 >=20 > Maurizio Comandini >=20 > Ecco un album che potrebbe essere usato per attirare nelle caverne = misteriose=20 > delle avanguardie anche gli appassionati di rock pi=F9 curiosi. Lo = diciamo con=20 > grande simpatia per questo tipo di tranelli, del tutto leciti e = propedeutici,=20 > addirittura essenziali per la crescita delle migliori pulsioni = cognitive.=20 Here you have an album that could be used to attract in the mysterious = caves of the musical avantgardes even the most curious rock fans. We = tell this with a great sympathy for this kind of tricks totally right = and propedeutics, almost essential for the growth of the best learning = pulsions.=20 > Il chitarrista Ted Killian costruisce dieci brani in perfetta = solitudine=20 > (assistito dal trombettista Jeff Kaiser solo per la parte tecnica = relativa al=20 > missaggio e alla masterizzazione) e lo fa utilizzando al meglio le = tecniche=20 > del loop e delle sovraincisioni, creando una sorta di alone fatto di = piccoli=20 > anelli di suono, sussurri ritmici, rumori industriali messi in fila a = creare=20 > una sorta di matrice frammentata, e su questo panorama sonoro che gli = fa da=20 > sfondo improvvisa a lungo con la sua chitarra elettrica ben effettata = che=20 > utilizza con una notevole padronanza di un linguaggio piuttosto = originale che=20 > lascia intravedere squarci di una perfetta conoscenza delle tecniche e = dei=20 > suoni legati al rock e alla psichedelia.=20 The Guitarist Ted Killian builds ten songs in perfect solitude (helped = by trumpet player Jeff Kaiser only in the technical part regarding = mixing and mastering), and he does it by using at the best the overdub = and looping techniques, creating some kind of an halo made up of little = sound rings, rythmical whispers, industrial noises lined up to create = some sort of fragmented matrix, and on this sonic panorama that is on = the background he plays improvising for a long time with his electric = guitar, well effected, and he uses it with a great mastery of a very = original language that makes you see passages of a perfect knowledge of = the techniques and of the sounds of rock and psychedelic music. =20 > Killian ha una visione molto interessante su come far interagire = queste due=20 > componenti (fondali derivati dalla musica d'avanguardia e = improvvisazione=20 > rockeggiante) e riesce a tenere ben desta l'attenzione anche per i = brani pi=F9=20 > lunghi (spesso si passano gli otto minuti) che sono solitamente basati = su=20 > suggestive sezioni ipnotiche che lasciano immaginare inusuali = manipolazioni=20 > morfologiche delle sonorit=E0 di base impiegate. Certi momenti = potrebbero=20 > essere tranquillamente trapiantati nei dischi dei Grateful Dead pi=F9 = lisergici=20 > o magari in qualche produzione di Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser o di = David=20 > Torn, i primi nomi che vengono alla mente ascoltando questo ottimo = Flux=20 > Aeterna registrato in California nella primavera del 2001. Killian has a really interesting vision on how to make these two = components interact (backgrounds derived from avantgarde music and = rocking improvisation) and is able to keep the attention of the listener = well awaken even during the longer pieces (often the songs are longer = than 8 minutes) that are usually based on really suggestive hypnotic = sections that make you think of inusual morpholigic manipolations of the = base sounds used. Certain moments could be easily transplanted in the = most lysergic albums of the Greatful Dead or from some production by = Elliot Sharp, Henry Kaiser or David Torn, the first names that come to = your mind when you listen this great Flux Aeterna, recorded in = California in the 2001 Spring. > Sito della pfMentum:=20 > www.pfmentum.com >=20 > Maurizio Comandini, All About Jazz,=20 > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A6B0.DBC28DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: <KILLINFO@aol.com>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 7:38=20 PM
    Subject: Anybody out there speak=20 Italian?

    > This just popped up at
    > =     http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM
    >
    > Flux Aeterna, Ted Killian
    > = (pfMentum -=20 USA - 2001)
    >
    > Maurizio Comandini
    >
    > Ecco = un album=20 che potrebbe essere usato per attirare nelle caverne misteriose
    > = delle=20 avanguardie anche gli appassionati di rock pi=F9 curiosi. Lo diciamo con =
    >=20 grande simpatia per questo tipo di tranelli, del tutto leciti e = propedeutici,=20
    > addirittura essenziali per la crescita delle migliori pulsioni=20 cognitive.
    Here you have an = album that could=20 be used to attract in the mysterious caves of the musical avantgardes = even the=20 most curious rock fans. We tell this with a great sympathy for this kind = of=20 tricks totally right and propedeutics, almost essential for the = growth of=20 the best learning pulsions. 

    > Il=20 chitarrista Ted Killian costruisce dieci brani in perfetta solitudine =
    >=20 (assistito dal trombettista Jeff Kaiser solo per la parte tecnica = relativa al=20
    > missaggio e alla masterizzazione) e lo fa utilizzando al meglio = le=20 tecniche
    > del loop e delle sovraincisioni, creando una sorta di = alone=20 fatto di piccoli
    > anelli di suono, sussurri ritmici, rumori = industriali=20 messi in fila a creare
    > una sorta di matrice frammentata, e su = questo=20 panorama sonoro che gli fa da
    > sfondo improvvisa a lungo con la = sua=20 chitarra elettrica ben effettata che
    > utilizza con una notevole=20 padronanza di un linguaggio piuttosto originale che
    > lascia = intravedere=20 squarci di una perfetta conoscenza delle tecniche e dei
    > suoni = legati al=20 rock e alla psichedelia.
    The Guitarist Ted Killian builds ten songs = in perfect=20 solitude (helped by trumpet player Jeff Kaiser only in the technical = part=20 regarding mixing and mastering), and he does it by using at the best the = overdub=20 and looping techniques, creating some kind of an halo made up of little = sound=20 rings, rythmical whispers, industrial noises lined up to create some = sort of=20 fragmented matrix, and on this sonic panorama that is on the background = he plays=20 improvising for a long time with his electric guitar, well=20 effected, and he uses it with a great mastery of a very = original=20 language that makes you see passages of a perfect knowledge of the=20 techniques and of the sounds of rock and psychedelic = music.
     
    > Killian ha una visione molto = interessante su=20 come far interagire queste due
    > componenti (fondali derivati = dalla=20 musica d'avanguardia e improvvisazione
    > rockeggiante) e riesce a = tenere=20 ben desta l'attenzione anche per i brani pi=F9
    > lunghi (spesso = si passano=20 gli otto minuti) che sono solitamente basati su
    > suggestive = sezioni=20 ipnotiche che lasciano immaginare inusuali manipolazioni
    > = morfologiche=20 delle sonorit=E0 di base impiegate. Certi momenti potrebbero
    > = essere=20 tranquillamente trapiantati nei dischi dei Grateful Dead pi=F9 lisergici =
    >=20 o magari in qualche produzione di Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser o di David =
    > Torn, i primi nomi che vengono alla mente ascoltando questo = ottimo Flux=20
    > Aeterna registrato in California nella primavera del=20 2001.
    Killian has a really interesting vision on = how to make=20 these two components interact (backgrounds derived from avantgarde music = and=20 rocking improvisation) and is able to keep the attention of the listener = well=20 awaken even during the longer pieces (often the songs are longer than 8 = minutes)=20 that are usually based on really suggestive hypnotic sections that make = you=20 think of inusual morpholigic manipolations of the base sounds used. = Certain=20 moments could be easily transplanted in the most lysergic albums of the = Greatful=20 Dead or from some production by Elliot Sharp, Henry Kaiser or David = Torn, the=20 first names that come to your mind when you listen this great Flux = Aeterna,=20 recorded in California in the 2001 Spring.
     
     
    > Sito della pfMentum:
    > =     www.pfmentum.com
    > =
    >=20 Maurizio Comandini, All About Jazz,
    >     http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM
    >
    ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A6B0.DBC28DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 19:48:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29459; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:34:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:34:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020126160352.02869388@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:24:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Aurisis, Gibson, etc. (was Re: EDP or REPEATER?) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125112307.051c6210@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6SUEdD.A.iBH.wm0U8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:03 PM 1/26/2002, Mark Hamburg wrote: >Depending on Gibson's motivation for doing a version 2 of the Echoplex >hardware -- and it's definitely on the hardware side as opposed to the >software side where the Echoplex is looking long-in-the-tooth -- would it be >possible for Aurisis to find some other company anything is possible. however I still find myself with a fundamental aversion to the idea that everything more than x years old must necessarily be upgraded and replaced with something new just to be new. This is the business model of the electronics and computer industry, which allows for a sustaining income by perpetually convincing consumers that what they have is out of date and must be replaced, even if it is still perfectly useful for them. For musical instrument products, I think this model is toxic, because it means nobody ever spends enough time with a given instrument to really learn how to play it and incorporate it into their music. >with existing appropriate >hardware that could be used to host an OS built on Aurisis's experience >doing the Echoplex? there is no such hardware that I'm aware of. > Candidate hardware that I can think of includes the >Repeater and the SP-808. neither of these are remotely close to being useful for us, and in fact would probably result in far more work and a loss of features that we currently have available. The hardware wrapped around the software is such a critical part of the user interface that you really must customize it for that application to be a useable and truly musical interface. >Would an approach like this help resolve some of >the cost issues that were previously discussed with respect to bringing a >new unit to market? no. porting software into a completely different hardware architecture would probably mean total code re-writes and a lot of complicated compromises. that would cost considerably more than designing hardware from the ground up that readily accepts existing code and easily accommodates new features we want to do. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 19:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30629; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:41:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:41:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020126162733.028ecf88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:31:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Pad controlling of a jamman?? In-Reply-To: <002b01c1a683$a07da540$0100007f@skynet.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:06 AM 1/26/2002, Peter Van Woensel wrote: >Hello Looper's > >i am a percussionplayer >and i use a jamman . >great! >does anyone know how i can use two pads of my Octopad to start and stop >the recording and looping in stead of using the pedals????? well, the octapad sends out midi commands when you hit a pad, and the jamman can use midi commands to start and stop recording, so somehow it must be possible. I'm not familiar with what midi commands the octapad is capable of sending, so I don't know if it can directly send the appropriate commands that the jamman wants to receive. Hopefully so, in which case it's easy. If not, you may need to get some kind of midi command translating widget to convert what it sends into what the jamman wants, and I think there are several methods/devices to do that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 19:59:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31200; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:44:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:44:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:45:21 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a6d4$47fe24c0$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one more time kids -----Original Message----- From: Marklar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, January 26, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >>snips - in pieces >>-----Original Message----- >>From: William Mcallister >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>Date: Saturday, January 26, 2002 11:53 AM >>Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >>>On the EDP or the Repeater is it possible to start and stop the loop >at >>any given time? >> >>On the EDP yes, on the RPTR no. > >you're totally wrong on that. You can stop and start the Repeater at >will via it's front controls, or via MIDI. In fact, it constantly >trips me up when I'm recording with my computer, and I do a take and >press play, and it restarts my loop. > Mark - let's try this again. I own both units. The RPTR has a glitch when recalling a loop. I find it does not loop seamlessly as does the EDP. I would suggest that you check out previous posts on LD and the Electrix forum for more info on this problem that was not rectified with the new OS. Then again I don't need to convince you, as you seem happy looping with it now. So I say coolness unto you, it just didn't work for me with the glitch. But I was honesty answering the question and stand by my response as does Electrix. Just check here http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000131.html. now do your homework before you call me wrong. just kidding there. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 22:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17304; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:58:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:58:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020127025309.98439.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: power supplies (cont.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200201261946.OAA32332@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry if this is really ignorant, but what do you guys mean by "internal power supply". are you talking about the the 3 male in the back of computers and such? and why is this so much more effective in neutralizing hum? is it as simple as a grounding issue, or is there more to it? please expound and educate me if ya don't mind! thanks, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 22:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23737; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:38:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:38:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c1a6e4$4a8a0c80$dabd9318@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Luden" To: "Mark Hamburg" , References: Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <70_FF.A.9lF.HT3U8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does Alto Music have a web site? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:06 AM Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices > on 1/25/02 8:49 AM, William Mcallister at BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net wrote: > > > I went to alto music (845-692-6922) EDP $649.99, Repeater $499.99. > > Regards'Bill > > Matthias and Kim should perhaps take it as a compliment that with that price > differential and with the longer feature list of the Repeater that there are > those among us who waver back and forth about which to get. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 23:35:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29705; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:20:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:20:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAwl03BnuI0j1h84nBEDjqwdglUQ0CFB/DVZwBrvpoRCcMTzKKiaciwBHu From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:15:06 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices Message-ID: <25575-3C537ECA-415@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Luden" 's message of Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:57 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No website that I'm familiar with. but its possible. Try search. Best'Bill/las vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 23:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32136; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:40:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:40:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQkumxpSYlp5k5gviw7Y9qS2yd3kQIVAJxJgFWhQc7PuBf3qst17XvbMjWU From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:34:09 -0800 (PST) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Michael manring Message-ID: <25573-3C538341-596@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hold on I have to pour another Newcastle. O.K. I'm ready. I was watching the Bass day 98 video. Checking out the Michael Manring section. Does anyone know what Midi pedal he was using to signal his looping devices? and what looping devices was he using. Curious. Rick Walker you should know this one. Bill/Las Vegas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 01:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16005; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:43:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:43:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:37:51 EST Subject: Re: Michael manring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.215f459f.2984fa3f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c8.215f459f.2984fa3f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/2002 10:35:11 PM Central Standard Time, BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes: > Hold on I have to pour another Newcastle. O.K. I'm ready. I was watching > the Bass day 98 video. Checking out the Michael Manring section. Does > anyone know what Midi pedal he was using to signal his looping devices? > and what looping devices was he using. Curious. Rick Walker you should > know this one. Bill/Las Vegas. > I asked him that myself this year at the bozeman bass bash... he said it was a JAMMAN Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_c8.215f459f.2984fa3f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/2002 10:35:11 PM Central Standard Time, BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes:


    Hold on I have to pour another Newcastle. O.K. I'm ready. I was watching
    the Bass day 98 video. Checking out the Michael Manring section. Does
    anyone know what Midi pedal he was using to signal his looping devices?
    and what looping devices was he using. Curious. Rick Walker you should
    know this one. Bill/Las Vegas.


    I asked him that myself this year at the bozeman bass bash... he said it was a JAMMAN

    Thanks,
    Gregory Bruce Campbell
    www.mp3.com/freakwincing
    www.kickstartchubby.com
    Please, NO forwards...     --part1_c8.215f459f.2984fa3f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 02:03:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16579; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:48:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:48:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020126223741.02848c10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:38:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP or REPEATER? Prices In-Reply-To: <004901c1a6e4$4a8a0c80$dabd9318@ne.mediaone.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6nn2X.A.w3D.WF6U8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:39 PM 1/26/2002, Luden wrote: >Does Alto Music have a web site? I think this is it: http://www.altomusic.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 02:24:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19589; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <172.2b6bfdf.29850042@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:03:30 EST Subject: Re: Anybody out there speak Italian? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_172.2b6bfdf.29850042_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_172.2b6bfdf.29850042_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/02 2:27:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, cbm@well.com writes: > to attract in the mysterious caverns of the vanguards i want to be there! i took latin for five years and FLUNKED IT so my italian is a little sparse but i loved what i saw, i want this CD.....luigi, your translation sings, thank you!.....my grandson is freakin out downstairs, be back in a bit.....:)m --part1_172.2b6bfdf.29850042_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/02 2:27:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, cbm@well.com writes:


    to attract in the mysterious caverns of the vanguards

    i want to be there!
    i took latin for five years and FLUNKED IT so my italian is a little sparse but i loved what i saw, i want this CD.....luigi, your translation sings, thank you!.....my grandson is freakin out downstairs, be back in a bit.....:)m     --part1_172.2b6bfdf.29850042_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 03:06:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21818; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:51:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:51:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c1a6d3$dd4c9b20$05f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: cables Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:42:19 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1A6D3.DBA24680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5gfgdC.A.FPF.tA7U8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1A6D3.DBA24680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: cablesyou can also buy them at www.vintageamps.com i've found that a good solution for wall-wart-powered items is this = little guy right here: http://www.pedalboard.com/juicebox.asp and what's more, if you have varied power requirements (me, they range = from 3v to 9v to 13v to 16v), you can have aspect design labs customize = it. =20 ...i'm not even sure this is an issue, but nobody's mentioned their = preferred alternate to wall-warting. jim ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1A6D3.DBA24680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: cables
    you can also buy them at www.vintageamps.com
     
    i've found that a good solution for = wall-wart-powered items is=20 this little guy right here: http://www.pedalboard.com= /juicebox.asp
    and what's more, if you have varied power = requirements (me,=20 they range from 3v to 9v to 13v to 16v), you can have aspect design labs = customize it. 
     
    ...i'm not even sure this is an issue, but nobody's = mentioned=20 their preferred alternate to wall-warting.
     
    jim
    ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1A6D3.DBA24680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 05:11:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04760; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Aurisis, Gibson, etc. (was Re: EDP or REPEATER?) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020126160352.02869388@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > however I still find myself with a fundamental aversion to the idea that > everything more than x years old must necessarily be upgraded and > replaced > with something new just to be new. This is the business model of the > electronics and computer industry, which allows for a sustaining > income by > perpetually convincing consumers that what they have is out of date and > must be replaced, even if it is still perfectly useful for them. > > For musical instrument products, I think this model is toxic, because it > means nobody ever spends enough time with a given instrument to really > learn how to play it and incorporate it into their music. How true! This is exactly what I like with the EDP, as a user. It feels like a high quality instrument that won't let you down as long as you practise on it. Here's a related story: I once got bored with playing guitar and started learning tenor sax, and picked up an Otto Link 9* mouth piece. After hearing some great players using Berger Larssen mouth peices I sold my Otto Link and bought a BL instead. Spent a lot of time reshaping them (yes I damaged some...) and experimenting with changing the size of the sound chamber. After one year I simply did not find the sound I was looking for and got a bit depressed. Then one day, at a second hand store, I found my own old Otto Link!!!!! Bought it back and, with the new skills from a year of practising, I could get a better sound out of it then of any other mouthe piece I ever tried. The bottom line is that I could not see the greatness of that Otto Link when I was a total newbie ;-D Per Boysen ----------------------- http://www.boysen.se http://www.upsweden.com http://www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 06:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11661; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:47:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:47:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4f.178cb4ee.298451b1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:41:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Me (was Re: Anybody out there speak Italian?) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1199994401==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <1QUQtD.A.UtC.Bm9U8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1199994401==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Well according to : according to my personal babel best bruno > >At 1:38 PM -0500 1/26/02, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: >>This just popped up at >>http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM >> >>Flux Aeterna, Ted Killian >>(pfMentum - USA - 2001) >> >>Maurizio Comandini >> >>Ecco un album che potrebbe essere usato per attirare nelle caverne misteri= ose >>delle avanguardie anche gli appassionati di rock pi=F9 curiosi. Lo diciamo= con >>grande simpatia per questo tipo di tranelli, del tutto leciti e propedeuti= ci, >>addirittura essenziali per la crescita delle migliori pulsioni cognitive. Here a record that could be used in order to attract in the mysterious caves of the vanguards also the more onlookers fans of rock. We say this with great sympathy for this type of traps, quite lawful and propaedeutical, even essential for the growth of the best cognitive pulsions. > >>Il chitarrista Ted Killian costruisce dieci brani in perfetta solitudine >>(assistito dal trombettista Jeff Kaiser solo per la parte tecnica relativa= al >>missaggio e alla masterizzazione) e lo fa utilizzando al meglio le tecnich= e >>del loop e delle sovraincisioni, creando una sorta di alone fatto di picco= li >>anelli di suono, sussurri ritmici, rumori industriali messi in fila a crea= re >>una sorta di matrice frammentata, e su questo panorama sonoro che gli fa d= a >>sfondo improvvisa a lungo con la sua chitarra elettrica ben effettata che >>utilizza con una notevole padronanza di un linguaggio piuttosto originale = che >>lascia intravedere squarci di una perfetta conoscenza delle tecniche e dei >>suoni legati al rock e alla psichedelia. The guitar player Ted Killian constructs ten tracks in perfect loneliness (assisted from the trumpet playerJeff Kaiser only for the technical part relative to the mixing and to the mastering) and he does it using the best looping and overdubbing techniques, creating a kind af aura builded up with little sound rings, rhythmic whispers, industrial noises, all put in row to create a kind of fragmented matrix. On this background soundscape he improvises with his well processed electric guitar, using a remarkable mastery of an original language that let catch a glimpse of a perfect acquaintance of techniques and sounds coming from rock and psichedelia. > >>Killian ha una visione molto interessante su come far interagire queste du= e >>componenti (fondali derivati dalla musica d'avanguardia e improvvisazione >>rockeggiante) e riesce a tenere ben desta l'attenzione anche per i brani p= i=F9 >>lunghi (spesso si passano gli otto minuti) che sono solitamente basati su >>suggestive sezioni ipnotiche che lasciano immaginare inusuali manipolazion= i >>morfologiche delle sonorit=E0 di base impiegate. Certi momenti potrebbero >>essere tranquillamente trapiantati nei dischi dei Grateful Dead pi=F9 lise= rgici >>o magari in qualche produzione di Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser o di David >>Torn, i primi nomi che vengono alla mente ascoltando questo ottimo Flux >>Aeterna registrato in California nella primavera del 2001. >>Sito della pfMentum: >>www.pfmentum.com > Killian has a very interesting vision on how making these two foundamental parts (i.e. vanguard music sounscapes and rock improvisation) interact and he succeeds in helding the attention also for the longer tracks (often more then 8') that usually are based on evocative ipnotic sections that let imagine inusual morphological manipulations of the source sounds used. Some moments could easily be transplanted in the most lisergic records of Grateful Dead or even in some production of Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser or David Torn, the first names that cross our mind while listening this optimal Flux Aeterna recorded in California in the spring of 2001. ok, ok... this is not the best english you can hear around but, believe me, it's not the best italian either... >pfMentum: >>Maurizio Comandini, All About Jazz, >>http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM > > >-- > http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between > cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. --============_-1199994401==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Me (was Re: Anybody out there speak Italian?)
    Well according to <http://babel.altavista.com>:


    according to my personal babel

    best

    bruno



    At 1:38 PM -0500 1/26/02, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote:
    This just popped up at
    http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM
    Flux Aeterna, Ted Killian
    (pfMentum - USA - 2001)
    Maurizio Comandini
    Ecco un album che potrebbe essere usato per attirare nelle caverne misteriose
    delle avanguardie anche gli appassionati di rock pi=F9 curiosi. Lo diciamo con
    grande simpatia per questo tipo di tranelli, del tutto leciti e propedeutici,
    addirittura essenziali per la crescita delle migliori pulsioni cognitive.

    Here a record that could be used in order to attract in the mysterious caves of the vanguards also the more onlookers fans of rock. We say this with great sympathy for this type of traps, quite lawful and propaedeutical, even essential for the growth of the best cognitive pulsions.
     

    Il chitarrista Ted Killian costruisce dieci brani in perfetta solitudine
    (assistito dal trombettista Jeff Kaiser solo per la parte tecnica relativa al
    missaggio e alla masterizzazione) e lo fa utilizzando al meglio le tecniche
    del loop e delle sovraincisioni, creando una sorta di alone fatto di piccoli
    anelli di suono, sussurri ritmici, rumori industriali messi in fila a creare
    una sorta di matrice frammentata, e su questo panorama sonoro che gli fa da
    sfondo improvvisa a lungo con la sua chitarra elettrica ben effettata che
    utilizza con una notevole padronanza di un linguaggio piuttosto originale che
    lascia intravedere squarci di una perfetta conoscenza delle tecniche e dei
    suoni legati al rock e alla psichedelia.

    The guitar player Ted Killian constructs ten tracks in perfect loneliness (assisted from the trumpet playerJeff Kaiser only for the technical part relative to the mixing and to the mastering) and he does it using the best looping and overdubbing techniques, creating a kind af aura builded up with little sound rings, rhythmic whispers, industrial noises, all put in row to create a kind of fragmented matrix. On this background soundscape he improvises with his well processed electric guitar, using a remarkable mastery of an original language that let catch a glimpse of a perfect acquaintance of techniques and sounds coming from rock and psichedelia.
    Killian ha una visione molto interessante su come far interagire queste due
    componenti (fondali derivati dalla musica d'avanguardia e improvvisazione
    rockeggiante) e riesce a tenere ben desta l'attenzione anche per i brani pi=F9
    lunghi (spesso si passano gli otto minuti) che sono solitamente basati su
    suggestive sezioni ipnotiche che lasciano immaginare inusuali manipolazioni
    morfologiche delle sonorit=E0 di base impiegate. Certi momenti potrebbero
    essere tranquillamente trapiantati nei dischi dei Grateful Dead pi=F9 lisergici
    o magari in qualche produzione di Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser o di David
    Torn, i primi nomi che vengono alla mente ascoltando questo ottimo =46lux
    Aeterna registrato in California nella primavera del 2001.
    Sito della pfMentum:
    www.pfmentum.com

    Killian has a very interesting vision on how making these two foundamental parts (i.e. vanguard music sounscapes and rock improvisation) interact and he succeeds in helding the attention also for the longer tracks (often more then 8') that usually are based on evocative ipnotic sections that let imagine inusual morphological manipulations of the source sounds used. Some moments could easily be transplanted in the most lisergic records of Grateful Dead or even in some production of Elliott Sharp, Henry Kaiser or David Torn, the first names that cross our mind while listening this optimal Flux Aeterna recorded in California in the spring of 2001.


    ok, ok... this is not the best english you can hear around
    but, believe me, it's not the best italian either...

    pfMentum:
    Maurizio Comandini, All About Jazz,
    http://www.allaboutjazz.com/italy/reviews/R1201_301_it.HTM


    --
     http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between
        cbm@well.com       | theory and practice. In practice, there is.

    --============_-1199994401==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 07:08:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19827; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:53:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:53:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4f.178cb4ee.298451b1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:48:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: OOOPS (was Re: Anybody out there speak Italian?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA19253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops sorry I didn't notice that Luigi did the job before and better then me... ciao (ehi luigi, il tuo nome aveva un aspetto vagamente italiano... tutto bene? che ci fai laggiù? ciao) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 09:51:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09108; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:37:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:37:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.53.201] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Michael manring Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:30:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2002 14:30:09.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F380DB0:01C1A73F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If memory serves....this summer, on the Solo Bass Looping Tour, Michael used two JamMans (sync'd via MIDI) and tapped in/out his loops with either the Lexicon footswitches or by using the front panel controls. He also had a Digital Music Ground Control which he used only to call up patch changes on his effects processor (one of those nifty half-rack size Boss units; I cannot remember the model #...something 70 I think..)nonetheless, he had some cool fx treatments...but amazingly did all the looping with the questionable Lexi switches. I did ask him about this, as I was using my JamMan "sans-midi" also, and he said it was just easier for him....but there was also a bit of MIDI latency in the JamMan, which was avoided by using the footswitches to tap in/out. Max >From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) >Hold on I have to pour another Newcastle. O.K. I'm ready. I was watching >the Bass day 98 video. Checking out the Michael Manring section. Does >anyone know what Midi pedal he was using to signal his looping devices? >and what looping devices was he using. Curious. Rick Walker you should >know this one. Bill/Las Vegas. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 10:31:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14963; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:17:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:17:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <112.b874e65.2985728a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:11:06 EST Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com e wrote, >Well, with all due respect, I think I'll join the >group BEFORE I buy a looper. You see, I have this >thing about making judgements based on having as much >info as possible. makes sense, to me. NB, though, that the highly-developed looping-instruments --- ie, EDP & repeater --- are always in danger of going the way of the Jamman..... so, potentially: time is of the essence. >However, I will try not to cramp >anyone's style with my lack of knowledge in technical >matters... that shouldn't be a problem, here. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 13:24:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03452; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:09:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:09:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020126162733.028ecf88@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020126162733.028ecf88@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:04:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: Pad controlling of a jamman?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm not familiar with what midi commands the octapad is capable of >sending, so I don't know if it can directly send the appropriate >commands that the jamman wants to receive. Hopefully so, in which >case it's easy. Unfortunately, the Octapad is a very simple device that only spits out note number and velocity information. This won't get the JamMan what it wants. I know Jon Wagner was looking for a similar device. Jon, did you get it? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 13:36:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04375; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:21:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:21:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c1a6d4$47fe24c0$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> References: <01c1a6d4$47fe24c0$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:15:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh Pedro, I think we're having a language thing here. The question asked had absolutely nothing to do with whether you could get a seamless ambient loop, just whether or not you could start and stop the loop at any time. I will stand by my answer. Mark > > >>Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >>>>On the EDP or the Repeater is it possible to start and stop the loop >at >>>any given time? >>> >>>On the EDP yes, on the RPTR no. >> >>you're totally wrong on that. You can stop and start the Repeater at >>will via it's front controls, or via MIDI. In fact, it constantly >>trips me up when I'm recording with my computer, and I do a take and >press >play, and it restarts my loop. >> >Mark - >let's try this again. I own both units. The RPTR has a glitch when recalling >a loop. I find it does not loop seamlessly as does the EDP. I would suggest >that you check out previous posts on LD and the Electrix forum for more info >on this problem that was not rectified with the new OS. Then again I don't >need to convince you, as you seem happy looping with it now. So I say >coolness unto you, it just didn't work for me with the glitch. But I was >honesty answering the question and stand by my response as does Electrix. >Just check here http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000131.html. > >now do your homework before you call me wrong. just kidding there. >best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 14:05:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06825; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:50:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:44:50 -0500 Subject: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. Resent-Message-ID: <9Xpm5C.A.tkB.iqEV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody got any suggestions for a guitar synthesizer? roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced opinions if you don't mind. thanks for your help. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 14:15:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08493; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:00:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:00:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020127125411.00836830@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:54:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: EDP Sync Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I was syncing my EDP to a drum track being played in Cubase. The EDP begins at beat one and records fine. I push record again to stop the recording process and playback begins. Once. The EDP will go thru one "revolution" of the loop and then stop playing the loop. Any idea why? I'm going out of a Midiman 8X8 into the EDP. Cubase is playing the drum track thru a DM 5. Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 14:37:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09604; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:16:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:16:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.1846316b.2985aa76@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:09:42 EST Subject: FROZEN EDP (problem) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3e.1846316b.2985aa76_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <5dpMXB.A.cOC.CCFV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3e.1846316b.2985aa76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have two EDP's. Almost daily one of them in particular will FREEZE. I found that I can reach back with the EDP OFF, I toggle the switch that specifies European or US voltage ... and then turn it back on and it works fine for a while... (If i don't toggle the switch, it is frozen the same as when I shut it off, when it turn it on again) What the heck is wrong with it? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_3e.1846316b.2985aa76_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have two EDP's.  Almost daily one of them in particular will FREEZE. I found that I can reach back with the EDP OFF, I toggle the switch that specifies European or US voltage ... and then turn it back on and it works fine for a while... (If i don't toggle the switch, it is frozen the same as when I shut it off, when it turn it on again)

    What the heck is wrong with it?

    Thanks,
    Gregory Bruce Campbell
    www.mp3.com/freakwincing
    www.kickstartchubby.com
    Please, NO forwards...     --part1_3e.1846316b.2985aa76_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 15:00:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11904; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:46:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:46:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:47:38 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a773$dba229c0$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark - no harm. no problem. I just consider starting a loop at any time something rather specific. It's great that you are getting it on the point as you have described. I was merely pointing out an issue that I and others who have tried the RPTR feel is an inexact end/start point. I didn't create the language but I speak it well. I have to. Investing in the RPTR and other gear over the years has shown me that I had better know just how to use what I have, otherwise i'm a poor musician. That's just how I go about using instruments/tools. To stop or start at any time, as the question asked, means (at least to my addled brain) sans hiccup and has nothing to do with ambiance and more to do with honest advertising. Maybe you missed the hoopla on LD just prior to and after the RPTR came out, you can check the archives for that. which reminds me why I had unsubscribed a little thereafter. I have no issues with how anyone wishes to describe or answer a question to any one else but I do take exception if someone calls me "totally wrong" about something. Mark, we can agree to disagree. I was answering a question from someone else in the most complete way possible, not exactly something that you would get at a music store. Warts and all suck, this I know. But if someone is looking to spend some of their money, I had better tell them what my experience is in addition to pointing out when others have similar issues. For all I know the original poster does not even care for non-glitch loops, but others may. Thus my answer. Good to know people are reading posts still. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Marklar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >Uh Pedro, I think we're having a language thing here. The question >asked had absolutely nothing to do with whether you could get a >seamless ambient loop, just whether or not you could start and stop >the loop at any time. I will stand by my answer. > >Mark > >> >> >>Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >>>>>On the EDP or the Repeater is it possible to start and stop the loop >at >>>>any given time? >>>> >>>>On the EDP yes, on the RPTR no. >>> >>>you're totally wrong on that. You can stop and start the Repeater at >>>will via it's front controls, or via MIDI. In fact, it constantly >>>trips me up when I'm recording with my computer, and I do a take and >press >>play, and it restarts my loop. >>> >>Mark - >>let's try this again. I own both units. The RPTR has a glitch when recalling >>a loop. I find it does not loop seamlessly as does the EDP. I would suggest >>that you check out previous posts on LD and the Electrix forum for more info >>on this problem that was not rectified with the new OS. Then again I don't >>need to convince you, as you seem happy looping with it now. So I say >>coolness unto you, it just didn't work for me with the glitch. But I was >>honesty answering the question and stand by my response as does Electrix. >>Just check here http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000131.html. >> >>now do your homework before you call me wrong. just kidding there. >>best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 15:04:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11612; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:44:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:44:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAucm3hb70IG79sWK62lFZBPCHAz4CFQCPUMXGnIYNtbQbj++mwNc9HjlqBw== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:39:32 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Message-ID: <16014-3C545774-3563@storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Marklar 's message of Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:15:28 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro, what do you mean the Repeater has a glitch when recalling a loop? What I'm tryin to do is play the verse with a loop, stop the loop and play a chorus with no loop, then start the loop agian for another verse. Keeping a manual internal metronome as close the BPM as possible. Thanx, Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 15:28:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14823; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:14:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:14:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <152.7e3c0f6.2985b826@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:08:06 EST Subject: routing? mixers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm running a fairly complicated signal path and now trying to integrate a Repeater into it. It's a Chapman Stick rig complete with a bass signal, stereo guitar signals and stereo guitar-synth signals all happening at once. Ideally I'd like a routing setup where I could be playing all 5 channels at once.. but only looping any given "instrument." Barring that, I'd settle for just having everything go into the Repeater cleanly. I guess what's really needed here is a good line mixer (preferably rack mounted). The only two I'm aware of right now is the MV800 by Yamaha and one by Rane called the "(something) 82" Anybody know of any others or have any clever routing tips? I'd love some sort of volume pedal setup to determine what's going into the Repeater. Thanks! --Tom Griesgraber From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 15:53:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16153; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:36:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:36:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:37:38 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a77a$d7980f00$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips - -----Original Message----- From: William Mcallister To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Pedro, what do you mean the Repeater has a glitch when recalling a loop?What I'm tryin to do is play the verse with a loop, stop the loop and play a chorus with no loop, then start the loop agian for another verse.Keeping a manual internal metronome as close the BPM as possible. Thanx, Bill/Las Vegas Bill - It should work for what you want it to do. The glitch I mentioned occurs at the end/start point and didn't cut it for me. That being said, maybe someone with more experience in keeping the BPM exact can chime in. Say Mark H. are you using the RPTR like this and can you help? br, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16985; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c1a773$b395c860$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20020127125411.00836830@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: EDP Sync Question Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:46:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you in loop mode or delay mode? Is the feedback set to 100%? Heck, maybe you are in sample mode- Just tossing out some ideas... Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: EDP Sync Question > Hi, > > I was syncing my EDP to a drum track being played in Cubase. > > The EDP begins at beat one and records fine. I push record again to stop > the recording process and playback begins. Once. The EDP will go thru one > "revolution" of the loop and then stop playing the loop. Any idea why? > > I'm going out of a Midiman 8X8 into the EDP. Cubase is playing the drum > track thru a DM 5. > > Thanks, > > Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:05:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17259; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:51:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:51:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c1a773$dba229c0$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> References: <01c1a773$dba229c0$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:46:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no foul. I think we both made the mistake of answering a question in absolutes, when it's a bit of a gray area. For my application, the Repeater behaves fine, you've got obvious and justified beefs in the way the Repeater loops. Believe me, I was on this list for the year of "it will be out soon..." and the "Woops, the bug free software we promised will be out soon..." times. I was a beta tester of OS 1.1 I respect Electrix's decision of making me a beta tester even though my company's been developing a rival product, The Againinator. When it's finally done, it will have the glitch free loops you so long for, and will fetch your newspaper each morning. Mark >Mark - > >no harm. no problem. I just consider starting a loop at any time something >rather specific. It's great that you are getting it on the point as you have >described. I was merely pointing out an issue that I and others who have >tried the RPTR feel is an inexact end/start point. >I didn't create the language but I speak it well. I have to. Investing in >the RPTR and other gear over the years has shown me that I had better know >just how to use what I have, otherwise i'm a poor musician. That's just how >I go about using instruments/tools. >To stop or start at any time, as the question asked, means (at least to my >addled brain) sans hiccup and has nothing to do with ambiance and more to do >with honest advertising. Maybe you missed the hoopla on LD just prior to and >after the RPTR came out, you can check the archives for that. >which reminds me why I had unsubscribed a little thereafter. >I have no issues with how anyone wishes to describe or answer a question to >any one else but I do take exception if someone calls me "totally wrong" >about something. Mark, we can agree to disagree. I was answering a question >from someone else in the most complete way possible, not exactly something >that you would get at a music store. Warts and all suck, this I know. But if >someone is looking to spend some of their money, I had better tell them what >my experience is in addition to pointing out when others have similar >issues. For all I know the original poster does not even care for non-glitch >loops, but others may. Thus my answer. >Good to know people are reading posts still. >best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marklar >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:58 PM >Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? > > >>Uh Pedro, I think we're having a language thing here. The question >asked >had absolutely nothing to do with whether you could get a >>seamless ambient loop, just whether or not you could start and stop >the >loop at any time. I will stand by my answer. >> >>Mark >> >>> >>> >>Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >>>>>>On the EDP or the Repeater is it possible to start and stop the loop >>at >>>>>any given time? >>>>> >>>>>On the EDP yes, on the RPTR no. >>>> >>>>you're totally wrong on that. You can stop and start the Repeater at > >>>will via it's front controls, or via MIDI. In fact, it constantly > >>>trips me up when I'm recording with my computer, and I do a take and > >press > >>play, and it restarts my loop. > >>> > >>Mark - >>>let's try this again. I own both units. The RPTR has a glitch when >recalling >>>a loop. I find it does not loop seamlessly as does the EDP. I would >suggest >>>that you check out previous posts on LD and the Electrix forum for more >info >>>on this problem that was not rectified with the new OS. Then again I don't >>>need to convince you, as you seem happy looping with it now. So I say >>>coolness unto you, it just didn't work for me with the glitch. But I was >>>honesty answering the question and stand by my response as does Electrix. >>>Just check here >http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000131.html. >>> >>>now do your homework before you call me wrong. just kidding there. >>>best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:15:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19201; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:00:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:00:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5469EF.F7AA83A2@gis.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:58:23 -0500 From: blue alien Organization: blue alien house inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: logic-user@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, LapTopMusic@yahoogroups.com Subject: [LUG][OT]Distribution for Independent Labels] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7LiZgC.A.9SE.MkGV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hello, > Any care to share info/experience on establishing relationships w/distributors? > -or- > How to get your music into the global market? > > regards, > > chems > _____________________________________________ > blue alien house inc. > http://www.galaxymall.com/site/bluealienhouse > an interstellar media arts collective > _____________________________________________ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19718; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020127205840.78696.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:58:40 -0800 (PST) From: Elizabeth Stewart Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <112.b874e65.2985728a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1924432556-1012165120=:77493" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1924432556-1012165120=:77493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: time is of the essence. ah, yes, but the Essence is not of Time, so no worries:) not to cramp >anyone's style that shouldn't be a problem, here. thank you, Sir, for the kind welcome. ~e~ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! --0-1924432556-1012165120=:77493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

      Hedewa7@aol.com wrote:

    time is of the essence.

    ah, yes,  but the Essence is not of Time, so no worries:)

    not to cramp
    >anyone's style

    that shouldn't be a problem, here.

    thank you,  Sir, for the kind welcome.

    ~e~


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    Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! --0-1924432556-1012165120=:77493-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20111; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:06:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:06:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1a776$3583e3a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <01c1a77a$d7980f00$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:04:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro- I think I have experienced this glitch too- doesen't happen every time but it seems if you don't close the loop just right the resulting overlap can cause a loud glitch- most irritating to me- Nothing like making a midi-synced, switch quantized loop on my EDP! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? > snips - > -----Original Message----- > From: William Mcallister > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? > > > Pedro, what do you mean the Repeater has a glitch when recalling a loop?What > I'm tryin to do is play the verse with a loop, stop the loop and play a > chorus with no loop, then start the loop agian for another verse.Keeping a > manual internal metronome as close the BPM as possible. Thanx, > Bill/Las Vegas > > Bill - > > It should work for what you want it to do. The glitch I mentioned occurs at > the end/start point and didn't cut it for me. That being said, maybe someone > with more experience in keeping the BPM exact can chime in. Say Mark H. are > you using the RPTR like this and can you help? > > br, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20715; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:12:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:12:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c1a777$0c792fa0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <005d01c1a6d3$dd4c9b20$05f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: OT: New MD opinions Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:10:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1A733.FE2CBCC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1A733.FE2CBCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: cablesHi all-=20 I am ready to get a replacement MD recorder and am curious if anyone has = experience with any of the following models- most important is adjusting = thr Rec level without going into ANY sub-menu- thanks- Cliff Sony MZ-G750DPC =20 Sharp MD-ST770 Sharp MD-MT877 =20 http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/ModelLanding/1,1058,657,00.html http://www.minidisct.com/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1A733.FE2CBCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: cables
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    ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1A733.FE2CBCC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:32:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21311; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:17:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:17:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.30.43.62] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:11:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2002 21:11:22.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C175D00:01C1A777] Resent-Message-ID: <-vpGv.A.PCF.Z0GV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, I've owned a G-33 for about a year now, and I'm quite pleased with it, especially for what it cost. Responsiveness, attack, playing feel etc are quite pleasant, although (as probably with any guitar synth) certain 'guitarist' playing styles have to be adjusted, sometimes even avoided in order to avoid audible glitches. This differs per patch, and in essence comes down to learning to play the particular instrument you happen to be evoking. I can't really offer comparative info from experience, but I'm happy with the unit. I have recently added a real synth coupled via MIDI to expand the sound palette. Some standard patches are very nice, some can happily be discarded to make room for your own. If you haven't already tried, post an inquiry on the midi guitar user group on yahoo, and you'll get a vastly more diverse range of opinions. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ Best, Nic >From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:44:50 -0500 > >anybody got any suggestions for a guitar synthesizer? >roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced >opinions if you don't mind. > >thanks for your help. > >jim > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23655; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:42:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:42:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <108.c554e94.2985cce4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:36:36 EST Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/27/02 JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net writes: >anybody got any suggestions for a guitar synthesizer? >roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced >opinions if you don't mind. I have been using a Roland GR-1 for years and years now. The newer GR-33 has many advantages (I've tried it out at various times) but I have stuck with what I know. The Roland stuff is pretty rugged (mine gets most of it's use by simply being my main foot controller). All-in-all the tracking is pretty good if the hex pickup is set up correctly (don't underestimate the importance of this). A poorly set up GK pickup will only give you grief. Also, I find that the actual sound patches on both the older and newer G-series synths leave a lot to be desired. You have to edit and process and tweak the heck out of any patch to get anything remotely interesting out. But I guess that's the same with just about anything. I also augment it with an E-mu Proteus via MIDI. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:58:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23773; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:43:53 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a784$1897ae80$9968580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: Marklar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 3:22 PM Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >no foul. I think we both made the mistake of answering a question in >absolutes, when it's a bit of a gray area. For my application, the >Repeater behaves fine, you've got obvious and justified beefs in the >way the Repeater loops. Believe me, I was on this list for the year >of "it will be out soon..." and the "Woops, the bug free software we >promised will be out soon..." times. I was a beta tester of OS 1.1 >I respect Electrix's decision of making me a beta tester even though >my company's been developing a rival product, The Againinator. When >it's finally done, it will have the glitch free loops you so long >for, and will fetch your newspaper each morning. > >Mark Mark - Agreed. I gave up on the RPTR for now, as other tools were more along the lines of what I hear, et cetera. So no waiting here and one of my cats, Frank, is cool enough to do newspaper duties for me in the interim. bw, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 17:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24317; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:47:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:47:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:41:56 EST Subject: Re: Pad controlling of a jamman?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <688bcC.A.owF.CRHV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >does anyone know how i can use two pads of my Octopad to start and stop > >the recording and looping in stead of using the pedals????? > > well, the octapad sends out midi commands when you hit a pad, and the > jamman can use midi commands to start and stop recording, so somehow it > must be possible. the JamMan responds slowly to MIDI commands, so you'll lose the start of the loop. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 17:33:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28199; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:18:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:18:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020127221247.23531.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: SRice Subject: babelling fun To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200201271836.NAA05671@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Qui è un trucco intrattenere: Comporre un messaggio in inglese, usare il Web site per tradurre ad una lingua straniera, allora di nuovo all' inglese. Usando le parole speciali gradire il looper, gruppo di alimentazione, o l' uomo dell' inceppamento può dare i risultati spettacolari. Newts regola gli strumenti dei cicli! Il vostro nel ritmo, Steve Translation: Here it is a trick to entertain: To compose a message in English, to use the Web site in order translate to one foreign language, then of new to English. Using the special words appreciate the looper, group of feeding, or the man of the inceppamento can give the spectacular result. Newts regulated the instruments of the cycles! Yours in the rhythm, Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 17:37:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28712; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:23:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pad controlling of a jamman?? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:17:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2002 22:17:17.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[611C9480:01C1A780] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This won't get the JamMan >what it wants. I know Jon Wagner was looking for a similar device. >Jon, did you get it? I haven't got a solution yet, but people have recommended both the new Roland SPD-6 and the Drum-Kat. I still don't know if the SPD-6 would have the controls you need but its a nice form factor for triggering. I have not found a solution yet that is suitibly small for what I want. All the products seem to have big 4"x4" pads designed for triggering fake drum samples. I want nice small pads that can be hidden so nobody thinks I'm playing electronic drums... Jon _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 19:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04483; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:22:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:22:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020127181509.00847df0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:15:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: EDP Sync Question In-Reply-To: <003e01c1a773$b395c860$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20020127125411.00836830@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm in loop mode. FB is at 100%. I noticed today that if I have the drum track playing (not looping, just alot of bars of the drum track), record a loop on the EDP, stop the EDP from recording, the loop will then play fine - even after all the bars of the drum track are over (Cubase is still in Play). I then record the loop into cubase. But, when I stop Cubase and bring it back to bar one, the EDP plays one revolution and then stops. I guess I've solved my problem, but what is the explanation for this? Thanks, Michael At 12:46 PM 1/27/02 -0800, you wrote: >Are you in loop mode or delay mode? Is the feedback set to 100%? Heck, maybe >you are in sample mode- Just tossing out some ideas... > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Clark" >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:54 AM >Subject: EDP Sync Question > > >> Hi, >> >> I was syncing my EDP to a drum track being played in Cubase. >> >> The EDP begins at beat one and records fine. I push record again to stop >> the recording process and playback begins. Once. The EDP will go thru one >> "revolution" of the loop and then stop playing the loop. Any idea why? >> >> I'm going out of a Midiman 8X8 into the EDP. Cubase is playing the drum >> track thru a DM 5. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 19:37:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04667; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:23:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:23:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.74.123] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP and Repeater Use Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:16:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 00:16:58.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[19A58920:01C1A791] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listers, I've just added a Repeater and(later this week) an EDP to my rack; and after reading the posts about both units over the past month, I've decided to use the EDP as the initial sampler, and the Repeater as the "net" to capture the post signal processed/mangled loop/s from the EDP. I'm also hoping to be able to re-route the Repeater signal back through my rack for yet more "abuse". Do any of you have any ideas/suggestions about other ways to approach this set-up? Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 20:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07818; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:04:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:04:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c1a796$c6e03540$bc64f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Oh Where Oh Where is Bob Sellers? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:57:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1A753.B81CBDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1A753.B81CBDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Gang, Does anybody happen to know what is up with Bob Sellers = (designer of the Jamman and Jamman upgrades and recording artist)? All his web pages are gone. =20 If anybody knows how to contact him, please let him know for me, that I = know several people who would like to purchase his CD and the jamman = upgrades that he has put out. Thanks, muchly, Rick Walker ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1A753.B81CBDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hey Gang,    Does anybody happen to know what is up = with Bob=20 Sellers (designer of the Jamman and Jamman upgrades and recording = artist)?
    All his web pages are gone.    
     
    If anybody knows how to contact him, please let him know for me, = that I=20 know several people who would like to purchase his CD and the jamman = upgrades=20 that
    he has put out.
     
    Thanks, muchly,  Rick Walker
    ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1A753.B81CBDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 20:24:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08126; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:10:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:10:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c1a797$b3787200$bc64f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Would Any Japanese Loopers please contact me Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:04:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am considering producing a Looping Festival in Japan in the late spring or early summer and wondered if anyone knows any Japanese Looping Artists (besides Sunao Inami who I am already in contact with) who might be interested in participating. Also, the round trip fares from the United States to Japan are at an all time low. The last I heard it was an unbelievable $400. Are there any Loopers from Australia, New Zealand or the US who would want to pay their own flights over to Japan, have a little vacation and participate in a historic looping concert. If so, would you send me examples of your work on CD, cassette or minidisc to the address below. Please let me know. I do not have any hard dates confirmed yet, but I am seriously considering it. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California 95062 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 20:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08679; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:18:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:18:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <108.c554e94.2985cce4@aol.com> References: <108.c554e94.2985cce4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:12:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 1/27/02 JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net writes: > >>anybody got any suggestions for a guitar synthesizer? >>roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced > >opinions if you don't mind. > >Also, I find that the actual sound patches on both the >older and newer G-series synths leave a lot to be desired. >You have to edit and process and tweak the heck out of >any patch to get anything remotely interesting out. >But I guess that's the same with just about anything. I'm in total agreement here. I've got a GR-30, and I'm not thrilled with it's sounds, but if I run them through enough effects, I can get some cool stuff. Why doesn't Roland put a decent tone generator in these boxes? Who knows. I'd love to be able to REALLY tweak the sounds (the sounds aren't very tweakable. I've tried augmenting mine with my wife's Alesis S4, but although I set the pitch bend parameters to be the same, it didn't track well at all. I need to spend some more time with that. I saw an Axon GK2 pickup to MIDI converter demo'd (http://www.musicindustries.com/axon/index.html.) It seemed to work REALLY well, but it was a bit pricey. The upside is you can really use any synth you'd like. If I had the dough to do it over, this is what I'd get. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 20:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09139; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <152.7e3c0f6.2985b826@aol.com> References: <152.7e3c0f6.2985b826@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:19:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: routing? mixers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're best bet is to get a mixer that has an effects send, that way you can control what goes to the Repeater, yet still monitor all channels. Mackie makes some really sweet models, as does SoundCraft. Mark >Hi all, > >I'm running a fairly complicated signal path and now trying to integrate a >Repeater into it. It's a Chapman Stick rig complete with a bass signal, >stereo guitar signals and stereo guitar-synth signals all happening at once. >Ideally I'd like a routing setup where I could be playing all 5 channels at >once.. but only looping any given "instrument." Barring that, I'd settle >for just having everything go into the Repeater cleanly. > >I guess what's really needed here is a good line mixer (preferably rack >mounted). The only two I'm aware of right now is the MV800 by Yamaha and one >by Rane called the "(something) 82" Anybody know of any others or have any >clever routing tips? I'd love some sort of volume pedal setup to determine >what's going into the Repeater. > >Thanks! >--Tom Griesgraber From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 20:48:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09657; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:33:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:33:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:24:00 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C54A830.3671B1DC@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had mine for about four months and echo what everyone else says. I installed the pickup on my Ovation acoustic and find it tracks very well. There are some factory patches that are "curious" but a bunch I thought I would never use I am actually using in some situations. If I had to quantify it, the GR33 for me is a big, big sound. (Plus you get some priceless looks from the audience) Mike Killian Nic Roozeboom wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I've owned a G-33 for about a year now, and I'm quite pleased with it, > especially for what it cost. Responsiveness, attack, playing feel etc are > quite pleasant, although (as probably with any guitar synth) certain > 'guitarist' playing styles have to be adjusted, sometimes even avoided in > order to avoid audible glitches. This differs per patch, and in essence > comes down to learning to play the particular instrument you happen to be > evoking. > > I can't really offer comparative info from experience, but I'm happy with > the unit. I have recently added a real synth coupled via MIDI to expand the > sound palette. Some standard patches are very nice, some can happily be > discarded to make room for your own. > > If you haven't already tried, post an inquiry on the midi guitar user group > on yahoo, and you'll get a vastly more diverse range of opinions. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ > > Best, > Nic > > >From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. > >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:44:50 -0500 > > > >anybody got any suggestions for a guitar synthesizer? > >roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced > >opinions if you don't mind. > > > >thanks for your help. > > > >jim > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 21:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10730; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:51:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:51:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c1a795$0c839440$390c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: routing? mixers? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:45:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: DialaThos@aol.com >I'm running a fairly complicated signal path and now trying to integrate a >Repeater into it. It's a Chapman Stick rig complete with a bass signal, >stereo guitar signals and stereo guitar-synth signals all happening at once. >Ideally I'd like a routing setup where I could be playing all 5 channels at >once.. but only looping any given "instrument." Barring that, I'd settle >for just having everything go into the Repeater cleanly. >[snip] >Anybody know of any others or have any >clever routing tips? I'd love some sort of volume pedal setup to determine >what's going into the Repeater. Hi Tom, Here's an off the wall idea: If your bass, stereo guitar, and stero guitar-synth signals are going to a mixer that has insert points on 1/4" TRS jacks, then you can try this. Go to Radio Shack and get stereo to mono headphone adapters. The plug end is TRS stereo 1/4" and the jack end is TR mono. Plugging one of these into an insert jack sends the signal right babck into the mixer channel and provides a 1/4" unbalanced output that you can send to a volume pedal. Get three pedals like the Boss FV-60 because it will handle a stereo signal. Send the outputs of these pedals to unused channels of your mixer and use an effect send to get the signals to your Repeater. Alternately, send the pedal outputs to a separate mixer. You can get a small Behringer for about $99 which might be just right for this task. (Plus I think they're cute!) Route an output of this auxilliary mixer to your Repeater and send the Repeater outputs back to your main mixer. Let me know if you think I'm crazy as a loon or an evil genius! Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 22:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16816; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010301c1a79e$c5e3da40$390c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" , "Ambient Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #253 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:54:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #253 January 24, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. A master of drones, Mathias is a prolific creator of ambient music from his studio in Germany. The Featured CD at midnight was "Mercurius" on the Arya label and is a collaboration with Klaus Wiese. The vinyl show starter was an LP of artists on the Brain label called "Electronical Dreams." I played the music of Orbital Decay who will play at the IceHouse in Bethlehem on February 16. See http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html for details. Mathias Grassow http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Eroc] Kleine Eva Electronical Dreams (Brain) Orbital Decay Y2K Eve Re-Entry (none) First Law Velochrome * Velochrome (Loki) Amir Baghiri Time Arrow Time (ARYA) Soundician Obsidian Soundician (none) VA [Rudy Adrian] Secrets in Sahara Sands Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) OZMA Actualia 2 A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City) OZMA Circumstellar A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City) 12:00 am M. Grassow & K. Wiese Part I Mercurius (Arya) M. Grassow & K. Wiese Part II Mercurius (Arya) M. Grassow & K. Wiese Part III Mercurius (Arya) M. Grassow & K. Wiese Part IV * Mercurius (Arya) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Fragrances of Eternal Roses" by Mathias Grassow on the Arya label. Next week's vinyl show starter will be "Kosmische Musik" which is a compilation LP of artists on the Ohr label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 22:35:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17733; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:21:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:21:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.43.179] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Would Any Japanese Loopers please contact me Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 03:15:13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 03:15:14.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[00BFC010:01C1A7AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmmmmmm...Japan, eh? This is really worth considering. You know how to contact me.... Max >From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: Would Any Japanese Loopers please contact me >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:04:11 -0800 > >I am considering producing a Looping Festival in Japan >in the late spring or early summer and wondered if anyone >knows any Japanese Looping Artists (besides Sunao Inami who >I am already in contact with) who might be interested >in participating. > >Also, the round trip fares from the United States to Japan >are at an all time low. The last I heard it was an unbelievable >$400. > >Are there any Loopers from Australia, New Zealand or the US >who would want to pay their own flights over to Japan, have >a little vacation and participate in a historic looping concert. > >If so, would you send me examples of your work on CD, cassette >or minidisc to the address below. > >Please let me know. > > >I do not have any hard dates confirmed yet, but I am seriously >considering it. > >yours, > >Rick Walker (loop.pool) >412 Darwin Street >Santa Cruz, California >95062 > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 23:00:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18907; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:41:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:41:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:39:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. Resent-Message-ID: <0PeqiB.A.QjE.UcMV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >anybody got any suggestions for a guitar synthesizer? >roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced >opinions if you don't mind. > >thanks for your help. > >jim Hi Jim, I own a GR30,which is the model that preceded the GR33, it was a replacement for my GR1, which replaced my GM70, which replaced my original GR300 (which I wish I still had). I bought it used on ebay. The GR30 was the first guitar synth from roland that featured an arpeggiator as far as I know. The GR33 also has an arpeggiator, which is a great feature. I am finding the arpeggiator very usefull because I can sync it to my looper, and I'm able to use it to write rythmic synth parts, throbbing bass lines, etc.,as well as trigger the pitch transposition function on my Repeater. The sounds, as far as I can tell on the GR33 are an improvement over the GR30, though I'm not sure if the arpeggiater has been improved or not. I have'nt had much time on the GR33, to see if it is as deep, programming-wise as the GR30. The GR33 has a built in expression pedal which is a nice improvement. The sounds are useable, easy to modify, with some cool real time control options (various wahs,harmonizer,effects, etc.). Neither the GR30 or GR33 will give high end samplers or keyboards a run for the money sound-wise, but if you are like me, sometimes the challenge of limitations can be its own reward. I have, over the years, lived with the noticeably improved, though still sluggish tracking of the Roland guitar synth. I work with those limitations and enjoy having the extra colors to play with. I would add that having two loop devices might serve you as well. A Repeater and an EDP would be my choice. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 23:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21813; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:17:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <-zEfmC.A.XQF.aFNV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:44 PM -0500 1/27/02, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >anybody got any suggestions for a guitar synthesizer? >roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced >opinions if you don't mind. As an aside (I have no experience with the Roland guitar synthesizers), I'm using a Roland-ready Strat with a Yamaha G50 (same neural net technology as the Axon). The tracking is very good. My preferred tone module is the Yamaha VL70m physical modeling synth. I have five of them and will have one for each string as soon as I can find another one at the right price. I also have a Peavey CybeBbass (no longer made), which has wired frets. I use it mainly with the CyberBass tone module. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 23:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22119; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:31:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:31:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020128042507.73645.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:25:07 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Oh Where Oh Where is Bob Sellers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c1a796$c6e03540$bc64f93f@dnlsh01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, Is this what you're looking for? http://64.176.141.72/BobSellon/index.htm John --- "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > Hey Gang, Does anybody happen to know what is up > with Bob Sellers (designer of the Jamman and Jamman > upgrades and recording artist)? > All his web pages are gone. > > If anybody knows how to contact him, please let him > know for me, that I know several people who would > like to purchase his CD and the jamman upgrades that > he has put out. > > Thanks, muchly, Rick Walker > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 00:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23038; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:51:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:51:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:45:33 -0500 Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. From: Paul Reisler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201272233.RAA29256@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3095019936_2817811_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3095019936_2817811_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i've been doing the midi guitar thing for about 15 years and it wasn't til the axon 100 came along that i really felt i had something that i could play what i wanted instead of what it wanted. i'd always used midi on electric guitars before, but with the axon i have my acoustics equipped with RMC pickups and it works quite well. That said, you have to have very clean technique and spend some serious time learning the limitations, which kinds of patches work well, etc. the axon is deep, more stuff you can do, but more complex to figure out than the roland. i haven't used the 33, but have tried the older rolands and none tracked as evenly as the axon. since the roland was doing pitch to midi conversion, it was slower on the low strings. the axon uses a different technology that has something to do with learning the transients of the different notes and tracks more evenly across the instrument. roland is easier to use right out of the box. i do drum parts on acoustic guitar with 2 hand tapping and put them into my repeater and it works. i'd really suggest you spend some serious time with each if you are planning on doing anything where timing is important. then decide. clearly pads are easy on anything. hell, i could do them on my old casio midi guitar. but really think about what you want to do with it. it's a big investment in both time and money to do something that's not just a novelty. i got into it because i was doing a lot of music for theatre solo and needed to be able to create whatever the piece called for--like being a sitar when you're in india. good luck. paul reisler Subject: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. anybody got any suggestions for a guitar synthesizer? roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced opinions if you don't mind. thanks for your help. jim Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com - my kids songwriting project with an amazing CD - our theatre work and the CD store - info on me and my songcamps - our play Three Roses is the centerpiece of a project that deals with issues of women and violence --MS_Mac_OE_3095019936_2817811_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.
    i've been doing the midi guitar thing for about 15 years and it= wasn't til the axon 100 came along that i really felt i had something that = i could play what i wanted instead of what it wanted.  i'd always used = midi on electric guitars before, but with the axon i have my acoustics equip= ped with RMC pickups and it works quite well.  
    That said, you have to have very clean technique and spend some serious tim= e learning the limitations, which kinds of patches work well, etc.  the= axon is deep, more stuff you can do, but more complex to figure out than th= e roland.
    i haven't used the 33, but have tried the older rolands and none tracked as= evenly as the axon.  since the roland was doing pitch to midi conversi= on, it was slower on the low strings.  the axon uses a different techno= logy that has something to do with learning the transients of the different = notes and tracks more evenly across the instrument.  roland is easier t= o use right out of the box.
    i do drum parts on acoustic guitar with 2 hand tapping and put them into my= repeater and it works.

    i'd really suggest you spend some serious time with each if you are plannin= g on doing anything where timing is important. then decide.   clea= rly pads are easy on anything.  hell,  i could do them on my old c= asio midi guitar.  but really think about what you want to do with it. =  it's a big investment in both time and money to do something that's no= t just a novelty.  i got into it because i was doing a lot of music for= theatre solo and needed to be able to create whatever the piece called for-= -like being a sitar when you're in india.
    good luck.
    paul reisler

    Subject: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.

    anybody got any suggestions for a guitar synthesizer?  
    roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced
    opinions if you don't mind.  

    thanks for your help.

    jim

    Paul Reisler
    Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley
    PO Box 38
    Washington, VA 22747
    540.987.3164
    540.987.3166 fax
    zoid@pobox.com
    <http://www.kidpanalley.org>- my kids songwriting project with an ama= zing CD
    <http://www.kitheatre.com> -  our theatre work and the CD store<= BR> <http://www.paulreisler.com> - info on me and my songcamps
    <http://www.theroseproject.org> - our play Three Roses is the centerp= iece of a project that deals with issues of women and violence


    --MS_Mac_OE_3095019936_2817811_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 00:59:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26999; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:44:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:44:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:33:05 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Analog looping in L.A. In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This afternoon I saw a very interesting looping performance by William Leavitt and Joseph Hammer, at an American Composers Forum Salon at Rocco in Hollywood. Leavitt played cello into an analog tape loop system that was in turn performed by Hammer. "Performed" is the operative word, because Hammer was interacting directly with the tape itself and with the transport mechanism of a 1955-vintage Ampex tape deck. The loop was about 24 seconds long, running at 7.5 ips; the tape machine was full-track mono. Hammer's performance practice is truly marvelous, and very pure. By eschewing the newer generations of digital gadgetry and focusing intently on the physical nature of a vintage electromechanical recorder, he is able to perform an idiomatic music that produces sounds comparable in some ways to others' digital loopisms but which has an organic subtlety of its own. For example, Hammer "punches" in and out not by tapping a footswitch that controls the record mode, but by physically moving the tape in and out of the magnetic field of the record head. Similarly, he can create a kind of multitracking by twisting the tape so that one an edge is in the field. Vibrato is created by pressing rhythmically on the capstan shaft, and pitch changes are done by pressing on the drive belt. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 01:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27536; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:52:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:52:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017b01c1a7b6$f1b14e60$390c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" , "Space Music List" , "Ambient Mailing List" , "ElectronicMusic Onelist" , "beyond_em" , "AIMusic Onelist" , , "Loopers Delight" , , Subject: Sounscapes Concert Series Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:47:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Announcing a new concert series: S O U N D S C A P E S For the inaugural event of the Soundscapes Concert Series, Orbital Decay will appear in concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem, the IceHouse is a wonderful venue for a concert of spacemusic. This concert will be held on Saturday, February 16, 2002, starting at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner. Tickets at the door will be $10. A $2 discount will be given for students with ID card and for members of WMUH and WDIY who show their membership card. This is an all ages show. Advance tickets will be $8 (no discounts), available at the Compact Disc Center located at 1365 Easton Ave. near Linden St. in Bethlehem. Orbital Decay consists of electric guitarist Tim Richardson and synthesist Terry Furber of Quakertown, Pennsylvania. Originally founded in 1979, the year when Skylab's orbit decayed in a firey return to Earth, the band is influenced by the likes of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze, and Pink Floyd. Terry and Tim create improvisational electronic space music with the energy of fusion styles of the 70s. This means that Orbital Decay charts unexplored territory of sound and mood. Orbital Decay has three self-released CDR albums featuring their prolific studio jam sessions. These CDRs were featured on EMUSIC in December, 2001, as part of the Special Focus on Orbital Decay. On December 27th, Orbital Decay performed a live, in-studio concert during EMUSIC on WDIY. They also performed on WXPN's Star's End in Philadelphia last August. Listen to EMUSIC for more music from Orbital Decay. Directions to the IceHouse and information about the concert can be found at: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html For more information about Bethlehem, please visit http://www.bethtour.org/ For more information about the Lehigh Valley (Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton and vicinity), please visit http://www.lehighvalleypa.org/index.html Please forward this message to anyone who you think will be interested. Best regards, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 01:28:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30133; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:13:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:13:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:10:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: EDP and Repeater Use Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Chris, what is in your rack, what is your signal path, number of effects proccesors,mixer type,instrument (guitar,keys,vox?) etc etc? I would need to know these things to offer you any help with routing. I think you are on the right track with the routing of the EDP and the Repeator. Let me know Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 02:04:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32533; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:49:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:49:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020127223329.0291f0a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:38:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Sync Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020127181509.00847df0@mail.airmail.net> References: <003e01c1a773$b395c860$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> <3.0.3.32.20020127125411.00836830@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael- is the EDP on a different midi channel from the drum module? (should be.) I wonder if you could be inadvertently sending the EDP a midi command from cubase that causes it to stop. do you have the samplerstyle parameter in the EDP set to "one" by any chance? when you say the EDP stops, what state is it it? does it go into mute? does it appear to still be playing but no sound comes out? does it go back to the reset state? kim At 04:15 PM 1/27/2002, Michael Clark wrote: >Hi, > >I'm in loop mode. FB is at 100%. > >I noticed today that if I have the drum track playing (not looping, just >alot of bars of the drum track), record a loop on the EDP, stop the EDP >from recording, the loop will then play fine - even after all the bars of >the drum track are over (Cubase is still in Play). > >I then record the loop into cubase. > >But, when I stop Cubase and bring it back to bar one, the EDP plays one >revolution and then stops. > >I guess I've solved my problem, but what is the explanation for this? > >Thanks, > >Michael > > >At 12:46 PM 1/27/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Are you in loop mode or delay mode? Is the feedback set to 100%? Heck, maybe > >you are in sample mode- Just tossing out some ideas... > > > >Cliff > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Clark" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:54 AM > >Subject: EDP Sync Question > > > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I was syncing my EDP to a drum track being played in Cubase. > >> > >> The EDP begins at beat one and records fine. I push record again to stop > >> the recording process and playback begins. Once. The EDP will go thru one > >> "revolution" of the loop and then stop playing the loop. Any idea why? > >> > >> I'm going out of a Midiman 8X8 into the EDP. Cubase is playing the drum > >> track thru a DM 5. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 02:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00398; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:52:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:52:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.73.24] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP and Repeater Use Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:44:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 06:44:36.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[40A28DD0:01C1A7C7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, O.K., I have the following in my rack; EDP Repeater PCM-70 DHP-55 Vortex x2 Quadraverbs Passac Unity Eight Mixer FET 900 power amp(going to 2 4x12's for effects and loops) All of this is slaved off a Mesa Triple Rectifier Head that goes out to two Mesa Recto Cab 4x12's & a buncha pedals. I was thinking that I can use the PCM-70 to give the EDP some ambience before being mangled by the rest of the stuff. But I'm seriously undecided past that point. Does that help? Thanks for the input! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 02:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00572; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:53:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:53:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020127224044.02bb1ec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:43:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: FROZEN EDP (problem) In-Reply-To: <3e.1846316b.2985aa76@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <70ChwD.A.95H.GQPV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 AM 1/27/2002, KkstrtChby@aol.com wrote: >I have two EDP's. Almost daily one of them in particular will FREEZE. I >found that I can reach back with the EDP OFF, I toggle the switch that >specifies European or US voltage ... and then turn it back on and it works >fine for a while... (If i don't toggle the switch, it is frozen the same >as when I shut it off, when it turn it on again) > >What the heck is wrong with it? sounds like some sort of hardware problem. maybe a broken solder joint or some loose connection in the power supply, but it's impossible to know for sure. Can't fix that with email, you need Gibson's repair dept. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 02:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02385; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:03:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:03:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:56:33 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: jesse@essej.net, stevesandberg@earthlink.net X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: really realtime software looper X-Sender-Ip: 172.143.166.7 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey everyone- just picked up this post to the linux audio users list (below). someone has developed an EDP emulator which runs with the lowlatency kernel. this means it is probably the first software looper that could really be called realtime (by kim's definition). the latency (~1ms under linux) is reliably less than the time it takes to transmit a MIDI message. i just a few weeks ago got a cheap linux box for $300 on ebay, and have been toying around with the sound on it. plans are to get a delta1010 for 10-in 10-out !collaborative! live looping and live sample/retriggering. for most looping users, configuring a linux box might be a bit much at this stage. but im confident that as free software gets more powerful, we'll see cheap preconfigured systems coming out that will easily compete with dedicated audio hardware. plus, rme has released their hammerfall dsp (multichannel I/O box) for laptops, and they are supporting linux developers, so we should soon have a portable blackbox opensource audio platform. ---jan p. in nyc here's the post: Announcing SooperLooper -- SooperLooper is a looping sampler very much like the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro. In fact, it is a downright emulation of an EDP, with some additional features and a silly name. I figured that the EDP feature-set is powerful, proven, and popular -- so why not implement it as a LADSPA plugin we can all use? Get it here: http://dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/ I have never used an actual EDP, but all the features are described in the EDP user's manual, which was an invaluable resource. Take a look at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html to get the manual and other tips. It all applies. FEATURES of SooperLooper shared with the EDP: Record Overdub Multiply Insert Replace Reverse Mute Undo Tap tempo Delay mode Feedback and Mix parameters QuantizeMode and RoundMode toggles Additional features of SooperLooper: Redo One Shot Scratch Mode (DJ-like scratching of the current loop) w/ arbitrary playback rate I developed SooperLooper using Ecasound as the LADSPA host and a MIDI footcontroller (RFX MidiWizard MP1288). I've patched Ecasound's MIDI code to allow program changes to act like control changes along with a few other hacks to support the unusual control interface for this plugin. In short, to get it working best for live performance, get a nice MIDI footpedal and my patches to Ecasound (which I will post shortly). BUT, if you just want to try it out without investing the time and effort to do it with your feet..... :) I included a sample curses-based console program to let you try it out with the keyboard. It also has some nice feedback from the control outputs to let you know the state of the plugin and time info about the looping. Please try it out and let me know what you think, bug reports, feature requests, etc. Jesse Chappell jesse@essej.net Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 04:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12779; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:25:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:25:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:19:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: my little zoo (another newbie repeater-mixer problem) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA12471 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as a parfect newbie of everything concerning mixers, signal routing, etc... I ask someone to help me... I have a guitar (a great klein, eine große small... thanks Andreas) some pedals a mesa boogie amp a repeater a mixer how should I put them all together? I used to plug the guitar into the chain of pedals, plugging the line out from them all (4or 5) into the ordinary amp input and everything sounded great... Then came the Repeater. I thought the efx loop of the Mesa would be ok, but I found out the CFC "chirping" problem (most of the Repeater users probably know what I mean...). Jason from Electrix told me a small mixer would have do the job; I found a second hand Behringer 1604... ok... so I take the line from the Mesa efx out, plug it into a mixer channel, then plug the Repeater in the mixer aux send &return and then out from the left channel main output of the mixer into the return of the Mesa efx loop... the chirping is still there! and with it many other noises: birds af all the races, small snakes, little rats... and if I touch some of the little cute knob of the mixer they suddenly scream all together... tried other combination... even worst! does anybody know how to tame my little zoo? thanks you all bruno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 04:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13593; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b801c1a7de$fcaa92e0$1263f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201280506.AAA24834@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Bill, it's: http://64.176.141.72/BobSellon/index.htm Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:34:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill, check this out: http://64.176.141.72/BobSellon/index.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 05:11:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14739; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:56:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:56:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c1a7e1$c7bb36e0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20020127125411.00836830@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20020127181509.00847df0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: EDP Sync Question Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:54:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try examining the midi output of Cubase- I would use MidiOx- not sure if list edit or other editor in Cubase has a way of monitoring live midi output- Anyway- you will see what messages are being sent- I suspect Cubase is sending some sort of Midi command out that causes EDP to act this way- I will check on my system later- You can also look at the EDP commands that would duplicate this behavior and it's corresponding midi control messages and then filter them from Cubase- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: Re: EDP Sync Question > Hi, > > I'm in loop mode. FB is at 100%. > > I noticed today that if I have the drum track playing (not looping, just > alot of bars of the drum track), record a loop on the EDP, stop the EDP > from recording, the loop will then play fine - even after all the bars of > the drum track are over (Cubase is still in Play). > > I then record the loop into cubase. > > But, when I stop Cubase and bring it back to bar one, the EDP plays one > revolution and then stops. > > I guess I've solved my problem, but what is the explanation for this? > > Thanks, > > Michael > > > At 12:46 PM 1/27/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Are you in loop mode or delay mode? Is the feedback set to 100%? Heck, maybe > >you are in sample mode- Just tossing out some ideas... > > > >Cliff > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Clark" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:54 AM > >Subject: EDP Sync Question > > > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I was syncing my EDP to a drum track being played in Cubase. > >> > >> The EDP begins at beat one and records fine. I push record again to stop > >> the recording process and playback begins. Once. The EDP will go thru one > >> "revolution" of the loop and then stop playing the loop. Any idea why? > >> > >> I'm going out of a Midiman 8X8 into the EDP. Cubase is playing the drum > >> track thru a DM 5. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 05:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17260; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:17:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:17:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007701c1a610$90d74880$a926d9c8@r5f3d1> References: <003901c1a460$21ddbc40$19f8c440@g0wn7> <002c01c1a4d7$ec442f60$77d81f3e@snowmonster> <00b901c1a4ea$926b69a0$3af8c440@g0wn7> <007701c1a610$90d74880$a926d9c8@r5f3d1> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:11:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: sound sculpture switchblade Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1199909794==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1199909794==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The circuitry has been pulled off the chassis and putted it into a custom made, bigger one. That red plastic switches have been replaced with metal ones (as the ones of the AllAccess). Connectors have been wired onto a multiPIN one, and i have a man power input that powers up the pedals and the MIDImate itself. The bigger chassis allows to have more switches that i use for other non MIDI equipment, CVs, JamMans control, and so on. I have the old version of the MIDImate software, that allows to use more istant switches than the last one. hth Doei Faisal >3 - from any MIDI pedalboard. This depends by tastes and needs of >course. Personally i have a modified Rocktron MIDImate, > >What kind of mod you made to the Midimate ? thanks in advance ! >julio --============_-1199909794==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: sound sculpture switchblade
    The circuitry has been pulled off the chassis and putted it into a custom made, bigger one. That red plastic switches have been replaced with metal ones (as the ones of the AllAccess). Connectors have been wired onto a multiPIN one, and i have a man power input that powers up the pedals and the MIDImate itself.
    The bigger chassis allows to have more switches that i use for other non MIDI equipment, CVs, JamMans control, and so on.
    I have the old version of the MIDImate software, that allows to use more istant switches than the last one.

    hth

    Doei
    Faisal

    3 - from any MIDI pedalboard. This depends by tastes and needs of
    course. Personally i have a modified Rocktron MIDImate,
     
    What kind of mod you made to the Midimate ?  thanks in advance !
    julio

    --============_-1199909794==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 05:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17918; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:26:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <152.7e3c0f6.2985b826@aol.com> References: <152.7e3c0f6.2985b826@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:20:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: routing? mixers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com f course, i have to reccomend you to have a look at the SoundSculpture website. http://www.soundsculpture.com The SwitchBlade could be your derfitive solution, but they also produce a MIDI controlled mixer with send/returns in it. It should be called Cosmix. You can't modify the signal path with it, but you can control the mix of various sources, and using the fx loop you could be able to send or mute signals to the Repeater. HTH Doei Faisal >Hi all, > >I'm running a fairly complicated signal path and now trying to integrate a >Repeater into it. It's a Chapman Stick rig complete with a bass signal, >stereo guitar signals and stereo guitar-synth signals all happening at once. >Ideally I'd like a routing setup where I could be playing all 5 channels at >once.. but only looping any given "instrument." Barring that, I'd settle >for just having everything go into the Repeater cleanly. > >I guess what's really needed here is a good line mixer (preferably rack >mounted). The only two I'm aware of right now is the MV800 by Yamaha and one >by Rane called the "(something) 82" Anybody know of any others or have any >clever routing tips? I'd love some sort of volume pedal setup to determine >what's going into the Repeater. > >Thanks! >--Tom Griesgraber From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 08:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28419; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:29:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:29:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:28:11 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems thatmy headphone jack goes silent when I am using my sends on the repeater....Am i the only one with this issue? thanks c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 10:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02440; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:04:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:04:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <032601c1a80c$a0c937a0$59494ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Michael manring Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:00:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <0w8bBB.A.dQ.YcWV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hold on I have to pour another Newcastle. O.K. I'm ready. I was watching > > the Bass day 98 video. Checking out the Michael Manring section. Does > > anyone know what Midi pedal he was using to signal his looping devices? > > and what looping devices was he using. Curious. Rick Walker you should > > know this one. Bill/Las Vegas. > > > > I asked him that myself this year at the bozeman bass bash... he said it was > a JAMMAN Michael uses two jammans and a Boss VF1 at the moment, at least live (he has other processing gear for recorded stuff) - for Bass Day 98, I think he was still using a Digitech guitar floor unit... cheers The S-man (that'll be Steve, then) www.downhomeybass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 10:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04654; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:42:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:42:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Internet audio sources? Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:36:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <-iHY2D.A.aBB.FAXV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With my new job has come a HUGE pipeline to the Internet and I'm looking for music to keep me through the day. I was wondering what Internet radio stations you guys (in the non-gendered sense) might be listening to, as well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on some server somewhere. Links would be appreciated. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 11:09:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05567; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:54:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:54:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <035101c1a813$80553f80$59494ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <01be01c19e14$d4572520$da61f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: NAMM appearance and Santa Cruz Looping Festival Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:49:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Next up was Steve Lawson, who, I have to say , is one of my favorite looping artists and one funny guy on stage. He did a beautiful set that employed everything from a beautiful and harmonically challenging version of 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow' to more outside excursions with sonix. It was a very inspiring set. I got up and we did a short improvisational set and you can ask someone else whether that was successful or not.<<< Rick, thanks so much for that - It was a huge pleasure to play with you too, as always - much inspiration to digest now I'm home... ...will post tour/NAMM/schmooze report ASAP... great to meet so many of you on my trip... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 11:12:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05987; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:57:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:57:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:52:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on >some server somewhere. >Links would be appreciated. > I've got: http://ampcast.com/justjohn (and http://www.electronicscene.com/justjohn and http://www.electronicscene.com/justjohn , if ampcast's not working) for newer stuff and http://www.mp3.com/justjohn for older stuff ... --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 11:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07620; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:02:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: SONIC Snowflakes/AfterMath/D3 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:26 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a81d$b36d7ea0$f66e580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello one and all - Just thought i'd pass along an e-mail I received from a young looper I had recently sent some of my cd's to and also to hawk the remaining copies I have of limited edition runs of three of my cd's. Thereafter, I won't be controlling the price(s). --------------------- pedro- sorry, i was going to respond sooner, but this week has been a strange one w/ mon off, school starting, office busy etc. i've listened to all the discs, but not fully in depth, so don't want to make any critical comments, yet. i thought they all sounded pretty good. my fave is the "d3", just thought there were some interesting textures, sounds on that one, sounded like it could have been part of my loop/ambient collection in the vein of torn/fripp/jon durant etc. the snowflakes has an interesting drone quality after listening to it for awhile. it's funny, i got one of robert fripps live looping disces (one recorded in argintina-can't remember which one...) and i think your's sounds better than roberts (his recording level is so low at times it's frustrating)... and i need to give the disc that was a one take 60 min session more of a listen. overall, i thought they were interesting. my one question: what type of recording gear do you have? i've been researching different equipment, etc. trying to get a handle on recording gear (my knowledge/info is lacking in this, since i'm fairly new at the recording stuff).just curious..... anyway, thanks for the discs, i've enjoyed them, nice to hear other's stuff, helps me w/ "journey" i guess......s---- ps---i love that the snowflakes has a #'ed system, like in prints, xx/100. i've always thoguht that was a great concept for limited ed. runs of stuff etc. ---------------------- No computers, samples or otherwise were employed in the construct of any of these recordings. They were recorded while I played and manipulated various delay units in real time. - "SONIC Snowflakes" is a 5 song (58 mins or so) disc recorded at my studio. This recording is guitar only played in real time. No computers were utilized for these recordings. There are no synths, drums, bass or any other instrument besides guitar on this recording. - AfterMath - one track running 60 mins and recorded in one take. A six stringed instrument was used in this recording, just not in a conventional manner. Three delay units were utilized in this recording. - D3 - 9 songs at 72 mins. This recording is more in line of what I call "Industrial Snowflakes". Seven of the nine songs are guitar only, one is bass only and another had me switching between each. Again and as is my way, no samples or computer generated sounds were employed. Just me playing and twisting at knobs and such. Each disc is $10USD I'll cover shipping stateside and will find the cheapest international rates if they apply. Please contact me off list if you're interested. Tap me off list if you're interested. This is still very home grown, so patience is a plus. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 11:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07818; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:48:50 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1a81b$a9f9fa80$f66e580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff - Yep :-) Pedro -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: RE:EDP or REPEATER? >Pedro- > >I think I have experienced this glitch too- doesen't happen every time but>it seems if you don't close the loop just right the resulting overlap can >cause a loud glitch- most irritating to me- > >Nothing like making a midi-synced, switch quantized loop on my EDP! > >Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 11:22:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08276; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on >>some server somewhere. >>Links would be appreciated. >> > >I've got: http://ampcast.com/justjohn (and (oops, meant http://www.artistlaunch.com/just_john instead of that first electronicscene url) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 11:37:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09655; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:22:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:22:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:17:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--432291022 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Message-Id: <8556AE25-140A-11D6-80B3-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--432291022 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Just select "Radio Tuner" in iTunes, there are over 100 streaming 24/7/365 radio stations there. That is if you are using a Macintosh. FYI: I also work with a "big pipe" but it is considered a waste of bandwidth to serve up radio over it. Unless you are the boss of course. Consider asking first. > I was wondering what Internet radio stations you might be listening to. _________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-1--432291022 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Just select "Radio Tuner" in iTunes, there are over 100 streaming 24/7/365 radio stations there. That is if you are using a Macintosh. FYI: I also work with a "big pipe" but it is considered a waste of bandwidth to serve up radio over it. Unless you are the boss of course. Consider asking first. I was wondering what Internet radio stations you might be listening to. Helvetica_________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-1--432291022-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 11:43:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10124; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:28:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:28:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C557B10.5FE3508B@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:23:44 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: NAMM Photo References: <200201281518.KAA03225@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <5fhe4.A.IZC.nrXV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody- It was really great to meet everyone who showed up at the EH booth at NAMM. I've put up a group photo from Saturday on www.armatronix.com - I hope I got all the names right from memory. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 11:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10608; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:32:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:32:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128111224.00ac4b48@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:23:01 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: a gig for EVERYONE! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and at any time, no less. anti:clockwise on WFMU 91.1 - jersey city & 90.1 in the beautiful hudson valley. airs tomorrow, 1/29 during brian turner's show (3 - 6 pm EST) - from 4 pm or so on. antenna not tall enough? stream it live during that time at http://www.wfmu.org/ssaudionet.shtml or pluck it from the archives any time you want thereafter (tho i'm not sure how promptly they hang it.) and to all, a good night a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 11:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11035; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:37:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: repeater question Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:22:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Christopher White [mailto:magicicada@charter.net] > It seems thatmy headphone jack goes silent when I am using > my sends on the repeater....Am i the only one with this > issue? > thanks > c. You have to also bring back the "sends return" into the Repeater. The send chain should go: RPTR fx send --> fx rack in / fx rack out --> RPTR fx return If you do this you have the choice of sending a track through the fx chain by holding down the "FX send engage" button while pressing the channel button. Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 12:08:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11912; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:53:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:53:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c1a81a$6e370480$acda1f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: guitar preamps Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:39:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A81A.6C164760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A81A.6C164760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i was wondering what guitar preamps everyine uses. im looking for = something with a wide range of tones from jazz to nu-metal David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A81A.6C164760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    i was wondering what = guitar preamps=20 everyine uses. im looking for something with a wide range of tones from = jazz to=20 nu-metal
     
    David
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A81A.6C164760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 12:19:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13577; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:04:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:04:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FF1@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Internet audio sources? Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:58:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A81D.13559BA0" Resent-Message-ID: <1ui3JB.A.iQD.cNYV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A81D.13559BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As I work for a university, with thousands of MP3-crazed students online and streaming every second of every day, I'm not too worried. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? Just select "Radio Tuner" in iTunes, there are over 100 streaming 24/7/365 radio stations there. That is if you are using a Macintosh. FYI: I also work with a "big pipe" but it is considered a waste of bandwidth to serve up radio over it. Unless you are the boss of course. Consider asking first. I was wondering what Internet radio stations you might be listening to. _________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A81D.13559BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    A= s I work for a university, with thousands of MP3-crazed students online and = streaming every second of every day, I’m not too = worried.

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    Lindsay Graham

    sonic detritus:

    left of eliot

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    =  

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com]
    Sent: Monday, January = 28, 2002 10:17 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Internet = audio sources?

     

    Just select "Radio = Tuner" in iTunes, there are over 100 streaming 24/7/365 radio stations there. = That is if you are using a Macintosh. =

     =

    FYI: I also work with a = "big pipe" but it is considered a waste of bandwidth to serve up radio = over it. Unless you are the boss of course. Consider asking first. = =

     =

    I was wondering what Internet = radio stations you might be listening to. =

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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A81D.13559BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 12:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14684; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:26:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:26:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <112.b874e65.2985728a@aol.com> References: <112.b874e65.2985728a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:06:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hullo loopheads... some snips and responses. from kim: >where were you at namm? a no-show at the looper confab...... yup. sorry for that. i was strolling the show on thursday. super busy at work and only had one day to go, so it was thursday. how was disneyland? did they open up the autopia yet? i miss that 60's NASA feel of tomorrowland. i hadn't gone in years and years and now it's all buck rogers future/retro whatever. my childhood memories bulldozed....darn. oh well, once Monsanto's 'voyage through inner space' went belly up, it was all downhill. and from mister torn: >NB, though, that the highly-developed looping-instruments --- ie, EDP & >repeater --- are always in danger of going the way of the Jamman..... >so, potentially: >time is of the essence. this sentiment has been brought up many times recently. that we should buy now, because these product might not be around much longer. this is really discouraging. this "get it before it's gone" mentality kindof sucks with high dollar items that would require specific support and repair if it went haywire. what gives? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 12:47:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15085; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:33:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:33:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:24:34 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: NAMM Photo In-reply-to: <3C557B10.5FE3508B@ernieball.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200201281518.KAA03225@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C557B10.5FE3508B@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_MqdaB.A.LnD.NnYV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:23 AM -0800 1/28/02, Hans Lindauer wrote: >I've put up a group photo from Saturday on www.armatronix.com Such a jolly bunch! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 13:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18276; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:03:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:03:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049AD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NAMM Photo Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A825.1BBB98A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A825.1BBB98A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" and loads of black leather on the left-hand side . . . -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM Photo At 8:23 AM -0800 1/28/02, Hans Lindauer wrote: >I've put up a group photo from Saturday on www.armatronix.com Such a jolly bunch! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A825.1BBB98A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NAMM Photo

    and loads of black leather on the left-hand side . . .

    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:25 AM
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    At 8:23 AM -0800 1/28/02, Hans Lindauer wrote:

    >I've put up a group photo from Saturday on www.armatr= onix.com

    Such a jolly bunch!
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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A825.1BBB98A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 13:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19906; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:26:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.34.184] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: NAMM Photo Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:19:02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 18:19:02.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[437A6EE0:01C1A828] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >and loads of black leather on the left-hand side . . . yea...those loopers are a dangerous lot! Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 14:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22414; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:58:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:58:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Internet audio sources? Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:43:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <0jaF5.A.7WF.M4ZV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was wondering what Internet radio > stations you guys (in the non-gendered > sense) might be listening to currently: SOMA FM http://www.somafm.com/ = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 14:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24609; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:10:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:10:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ5Qj8RRWWtsUQo74kYTbTjUvJ+2gIVAMbk9VvCKLsj5cIDl4d9n+HvfBxn From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:05:00 -0800 (PST) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: moog pedals? Message-ID: <27700-3C55A0DC-4045@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there anyone making pedals like the old moog pedals? Something midi? Thanks, Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 14:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24909; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:13:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:06:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 19:06:32.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[E63A58B0:01C1A82E] Resent-Message-ID: <_6AU9D.A.V9F.aFaV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.monkeyradio.org www.somafm.com www.bassdrive.com www.flaresound.com Me? ttp://206.17.137.52:8080/ramgen/rainbowonprozac.rm http://207.17.137.52:8080/ramgen/crosstalk(shortattentionspanmix).rm and: www.dub-beautiful.org 's show archive (You can find me on a couple of live tracks) It's also a good place for music. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: Internet audio sources? > With my new job has come a HUGE pipeline to the Internet and I'm looking for > music to keep me through the day. I was wondering what Internet radio > stations you guys (in the non-gendered sense) might be listening to, as > well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on > some server somewhere. > Links would be appreciated. > > Lindsay Graham > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 14:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26021; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:29:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:29:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Internet audio sources? Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Internet audio sources? Thread-Index: AcGoMT5tWsoAPJzRSPibHyjFugbHjQ== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: "Graham, Lindsay" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA25520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For broadcasts: http://www.wfmu.org is a phenomenal radio station in New Jersey that also broadcasts on the net. They have a large archive of past shows as well. They're basically freeform - college type stuff minus any actual college - actually it could be argued that they were part of the very origin of freeform radio. Among others, Vin Scelsa got his start there 30+ years ago. Each DJ can be pretty different and depending on what you like you might find someone who plays it. If you're particularly into Prog or Psych then check out any of these shows: Tony Coulter or Fabio. For a great cross section of stuff: Ken Friedman. Sunday's Bill Kelly routinely comes up with incredibly rare 60's garage and punk stuff. My particular favorite is Wednesday's Incorrect Music Hour with Irwin Chusid who's a producer of such oddities as the Langley School Project, and compilations by Esquival, Joe Meek, and Raymond Scott. Anyway, go to their site to see more. Another really great radio show around NYC is the Plastic Tales show on WNYU which is 89.1 in the NY area on Monday nights at 9. It's 100% psych and 60's garage. There are a couple of archived shows on their website. http://www.wnyu.org/plastictales/ Oh, you can always try www.kazaa.com for something similar to Napster. However, many corporate firewalls block off the ports that napster & it's clones use. Kind regards =Bill -----Original Message----- From: Graham, Lindsay [mailto:lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:37 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Internet audio sources? With my new job has come a HUGE pipeline to the Internet and I'm looking for music to keep me through the day. I was wondering what Internet radio stations you guys (in the non-gendered sense) might be listening to, as well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on some server somewhere. Links would be appreciated. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 14:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26437; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:34:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:34:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020128192836.31202.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:28:36 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <108.c554e94.2985cce4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like my Starrlabs Mini-Z Ztar. No tracking problems since it is a tapping instrument, but there are optional string triggers available. The newest firmware will have midi-looping functionality. Check them out at http://www.starrlabs.com/ The related Yahoo group is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ztar/ stephen > In a message dated 1/27/02 JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net > writes: > > >anybody got any suggestions for a guitar > synthesizer? > >roland 33 looks nice, but i'd like some experienced > >opinions if you don't mind. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 14:57:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26996; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:43:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:43:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022201c1a833$70bcbba0$e5168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: Subject: Time is of the essence... Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:38:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Time is of the essence, but the Essence is not of Time. This made my eternity. ----Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 14:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27147; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:43:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:43:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049B2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Analog looping in L.A. Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:37:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A833.38F763A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A833.38F763A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** hi, yeah, joseph hammer does some pretty cool stuff . . . been on a few bills with him (one that got reviewed back on ld about a year ago or so, he was lambasted, btw). very interesting textures, tho' i always am intrigued what it would be like to hear him someone who is playing more note-oriented stuff. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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    ** hi,

    yeah, joseph hammer does some pretty cool stuff . . . bee= n on a few bills with him (one that got reviewed back on ld about a year ag= o or so, he was lambasted, btw).

    very interesting textures, tho' i always am intrigued wha= t it would be like to hear him someone who is playing more note-oriented st= uff.


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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A833.38F763A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 15:12:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28122; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:57:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:57:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020128195205.85249.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:52:05 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: routing? mixers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <152.7e3c0f6.2985b826@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I had big bucks I'd buy a Speck Ultramix cxi 8 bus line mixer: http://www.speck.com/xmix_2.shtml But my mackie LM-3204 suffices for now: http://www.mackie.com/Products/LM3204.asp stephen --- DialaThos@aol.com wrote: > I guess what's really needed here is a good line > mixer (preferably rack > mounted). ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 15:39:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30910; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:24:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:24:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c1a839$00afad80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <002301c1993e$62b47420$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <001f01c1994d$c3eceba0$bdced63f@richkroll> Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:18:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I am going to get one from you- how would we arrange payment and where are you located? Also- how do you handle warranty etc- just want to know up front- Thanks! Cliff PS- please respond to clifsound@mediaone.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Kroll" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there > Cliff, > I can get you a Baggs dual source for for $175.00 + shipping. > > Rich > sales@rkmusicstore.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio > > Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup > > system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?) > > > > Cliff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "rich" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:32 AM > > Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > > > > yep...i'll be there. gonna try and go on Thursday and maybe Friday... > > > > > > i'd be happy to say hello to anybody who's going that day. perhaps > > > meeting at a specific booth might help, since i'm still fuzzy about > > > the 'what is where' of the Anaheim convention center... > > > > > > my haunts this year will, amongst others, will most likely be: > > > > > > electrix booth > > > emagic booth > > > qsc booth > > > propellerheads booth > > > electroharmonix booth > > > fender room > > > line6 booth > > > renaissance guitars > > > transperformance booth > > > event booth > > > > > > i might suggest the electroharmonix booth, since from past > > > experience, it's usually just an open area that's not packed with > > > cubicle walls and tons of product. and we gots our tshirts to > > > recognize now, and we can stop doing that L shape on our forehead... > > > > > > maybe we can all gather and scream at electroharmonix..."where is the > > > damn EH-16 reissue!?!" > > > > > > anywho...let me know what y'all are doin. > > > > > > best, > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. > > > > > > > >I look forward to meeting you, > > > > > > > >Carl Jacobson > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM > > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > > > >Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers > > > >out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between > > > >the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around > > > >the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. > > > >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? > > > >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be > > > >discussed and arranged. > > > > > > > >Best regards, > > > > > > > >Ted Killian > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 15:58:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31779; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:37:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:37:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:34:40 +0000 Subject: Re: EDP and Repeater Use From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA31492 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: "Chris Olden" > Listers, > I've just added a Repeater and(later this week) an EDP > to my rack; and after reading the posts about both > units over the past month, I've decided to use the EDP > as the initial sampler, and the Repeater as the "net" > to capture the post signal processed/mangled loop/s > from the EDP. I'm also hoping to be able to re-route > the Repeater signal back through my rack for yet more > "abuse". > Do any of you have any ideas/suggestions about other ways > to approach this set-up? > Thanks! > Chris Olden Hi Chris, Here's a set-up I like: The instrument signal (mostly electric guitar) goes into a POD. The POD L/R goes into the repeater L/R inputs. The POD headphones (mono) goes into the EDP, which has the MIX set all the way to "loop" (no direct signal). The repeater "fx out" goes to a little mixer on two panned channels (stereo), and the EDP loop goes there too, on one channel. I also bring a synth (Oberheim Matrix-1000 played by midi guitar pickup) into this mixer (this synth never gets recorded by the loopers). In the mixers fx loop is a Lexicon reverb. The mixers L/R output goes into the repeater "fx in". The repeater follows the EDP by midi clock sync. Things I like with this set-up is: - One L/R output summing up everything. Easy connecting to the stage box at festivals. I can also play "silently" with head phones connected to the repeater. - Easy recording an improvisation to DAT by the S/PDIF digital out of repeater. - I can chose to send a repeater channel to the mixer for reverb, or keeping it clean and dry. - When some loops are spinning in the repeater I can mangle the EDP loops even to different tempi and the repeater still catches up. However, the EDP doesn't get recorded in the repeater, as you whished, when put in the rptr fx loop like this. But I guess you could just daisy chain them to achieve this. Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 16:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00470; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:52:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:52:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Analog looping in L.A. Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:47:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049B2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5VA_gD.A.l9H.8ibV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey that was me! http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00342.html No specific lambasting of J. Hammer--but it was tough to remain still and pay attention. Joseph pays rapt attention to what he's doing--not much visual happening. My big beef was with the headliners--guess I'm just not much of a fan of experimental music. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:37 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Analog looping in L.A. ** hi, yeah, joseph hammer does some pretty cool stuff . . . been on a few bills with him (one that got reviewed back on ld about a year ago or so, he was lambasted, btw). very interesting textures, tho' i always am intrigued what it would be like to hear him someone who is playing more note-oriented stuff. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 16:14:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02124; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:59:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:59:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1a83d$f0ce2e00$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <002301c1993e$62b47420$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <001f01c1994d$c3eceba0$bdced63f@richkroll> <00c401c1a839$00afad80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:53:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ooops- I sent this to the wrong place obviously- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there > I think I am going to get one from you- how would we arrange payment and > where are you located? Also- how do you handle warranty etc- just want to > know up front- Thanks! > > Cliff > > PS- please respond to clifsound@mediaone.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Kroll" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > Cliff, > > I can get you a Baggs dual source for for $175.00 + shipping. > > > > Rich > > sales@rkmusicstore.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:49 PM > > Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > > > > I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio > > > Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup > > > system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?) > > > > > > Cliff > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "rich" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:32 AM > > > Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > > > > > > > yep...i'll be there. gonna try and go on Thursday and maybe Friday... > > > > > > > > i'd be happy to say hello to anybody who's going that day. perhaps > > > > meeting at a specific booth might help, since i'm still fuzzy about > > > > the 'what is where' of the Anaheim convention center... > > > > > > > > my haunts this year will, amongst others, will most likely be: > > > > > > > > electrix booth > > > > emagic booth > > > > qsc booth > > > > propellerheads booth > > > > electroharmonix booth > > > > fender room > > > > line6 booth > > > > renaissance guitars > > > > transperformance booth > > > > event booth > > > > > > > > i might suggest the electroharmonix booth, since from past > > > > experience, it's usually just an open area that's not packed with > > > > cubicle walls and tons of product. and we gots our tshirts to > > > > recognize now, and we can stop doing that L shape on our forehead... > > > > > > > > maybe we can all gather and scream at electroharmonix..."where is the > > > > damn EH-16 reissue!?!" > > > > > > > > anywho...let me know what y'all are doin. > > > > > > > > best, > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. > > > > > > > > > >I look forward to meeting you, > > > > > > > > > >Carl Jacobson > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM > > > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > >Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > > > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > > > > > >Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers > > > > >out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between > > > > >the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around > > > > >the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. > > > > >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? > > > > >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be > > > > >discussed and arranged. > > > > > > > > > >Best regards, > > > > > > > > > >Ted Killian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 16:28:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02978; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.21f979a6.29871620@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:01:20 EST Subject: Re: Would Any Japanese Loopers please contact me To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.21f979a6.29871620_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5b.21f979a6.29871620_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/02 8:05:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > Are there any Loopers from Australia, New Zealand or the US > who would want to pay their own flights over to Japan, have > a little vacation and participate in a historic looping concert. > sure.....sign me up rick.....im there.....:)m --part1_5b.21f979a6.29871620_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/02 8:05:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


    Are there any Loopers from Australia, New Zealand or the US
    who would want to pay their own flights over to Japan, have
    a little vacation and participate in a historic looping concert.


    sure.....sign me up rick.....im there.....:)m     --part1_5b.21f979a6.29871620_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 16:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04318; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:27:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:20:55 EST Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d8.12a1bb52.29871ab7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d8.12a1bb52.29871ab7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/02 11:21:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > I'm using a Roland-ready Strat richard.....what do you think of the r-ready strat, does the guitar really matter or is it just a place to mount a pick-up?.....i have always "lusted" after a guitar synth and have only logged about 7 mins. on one at a music store.....this is a very informative thread imho even thought its about those damn guitars.....:)m --part1_d8.12a1bb52.29871ab7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/02 11:21:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


    I'm using a Roland-ready Strat


    richard.....what do you think of the r-ready strat, does the guitar really matter or is it just a place to mount a pick-up?.....i have always "lusted" after a guitar synth and have only logged about 7 mins. on one at a music store.....this is a very informative thread imho even thought its about those damn guitars.....:)m     --part1_d8.12a1bb52.29871ab7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 17:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08440; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:07:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:07:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:01:35 EST Subject: Re: NAMM Photo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d2.12e4a3d5.2987243f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d2.12e4a3d5.2987243f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 11:24:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes: > www.armatronix.com wow!.....worth more than a thousand words.....and here i thought it was a photo of the band "the most beautiful men in the universe".....thanks.....:)m --part1_d2.12e4a3d5.2987243f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 11:24:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes:


    www.armatronix.com


    wow!.....worth more than a thousand words.....and here i thought it was a photo of the band "the most beautiful men in the universe".....thanks.....:)m     --part1_d2.12e4a3d5.2987243f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 17:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09580; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:19:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020128221245.9677.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:12:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: Re: moog pedals? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net In-Reply-To: <200201282142.QAA05460@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William > Mcallister) > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: moog pedals? > > Is there anyone making pedals like the old moog > pedals? Something midi? > Thanks, Bill/Las Vegas > Well, check out Bob Moog himself at Big Briar: http://www.bigbriar.com/ His products include "moogerfoogers" (I think these are the pedals you are looking for), synthesizers, and even Theramins!!!! Mary Jane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 17:40:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09662; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: EDP and Repeater Use Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:03:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The mixers L/R output goes into the repeater "fx in". The > repeater follows the EDP by midi clock sync. > Do you have the midi out of the Repeater going into the midi in of the EDP? If so how do you get your midi foot controller to talk to both units? Midi merge box? Is the EDP the master clock or is it slaved to a drum machine or sequencer? I'm trying different ideas out using both of these in tandem, and find that the most versatile setup is having both units synced to a third party, common midi clock. It may be that going your way is powerful for free form looping, but not so good using a drum machine, etc. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 17:59:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10950; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:44:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:44:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128173148.00a877f0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:33:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.sm u.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Several listmembers have participated in some compilation projects which may be heard at (Note: some of the links don't go to the actual song/person specified...) -t- At 09:36 AM 1/28/02 -0600, you wrote: >With my new job has come a HUGE pipeline to the Internet and I'm looking for >music to keep me through the day. I was wondering what Internet radio >stations you guys (in the non-gendered sense) might be listening to, as >well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on >some server somewhere. >Links would be appreciated. > >Lindsay Graham >sonic detritus: >left of eliot From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 18:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11713; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:52:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:52:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:41:13 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1199864588==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1199864588==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:20 PM -0500 1/28/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >what do you think of the r-ready strat, does the guitar really >matter or is it just a place to mount a pick-up?..... The guitar really matters. The Roland-ready Strat is simply not as good a guitar as my other Strat. The only reason I bought it was that I hated having the GK-2A pasted onto my good guitar. I didn't want to screw it on, and the double-sided foam tape cape coming unstuck. If you intend to have a MIDI guitar that is just a MIDI guitar then the only things that matters are playing comfort and a decent neck. As for me, I'd prefer a guitar that can function in several modes. I'm considering customizing my American Deluxe Fat Strat with an RMC system and a Sustainiac. Then sometime down the road if money is available I may have a guitar made. --============_-1199864588==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.
    At 4:20 PM -0500 1/28/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

    what do you think of the r-ready strat, does the guitar really matter or is it just a place to mount a pick-up?.....

    The guitar really matters. The Roland-ready Strat is simply not as good a guitar as my other Strat. The only reason I bought it was that I hated having the GK-2A pasted onto my good guitar. I didn't want to screw it on, and the double-sided foam tape cape coming unstuck.

    If you intend to have a MIDI guitar that is just a MIDI guitar then the only things that matters are playing comfort and a decent neck. As for me, I'd prefer a guitar that can function in several modes. I'm considering customizing my American Deluxe Fat Strat with an RMC system and a Sustainiac. Then sometime down the road if money is available I may have a guitar made.
    --============_-1199864588==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 18:09:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11893; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:55:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:55:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <93.1728b4c8.29872f1e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:47:58 EST Subject: Cakewalk panel question re Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_93.1728b4c8.29872f1e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_93.1728b4c8.29872f1e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any one have a repeater panel for CWPA? --part1_93.1728b4c8.29872f1e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any one have a repeater panel for CWPA? --part1_93.1728b4c8.29872f1e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 18:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13280; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:00:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:00:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:46:48 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Analog looping in L.A. In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:47 PM -0800 1/28/02, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Hey that was me! >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00342.html >No specific lambasting of J. Hammer--but it was tough to remain still and >pay attention. Joseph pays rapt attention to what he's doing--not much >visual happening. >My big beef was with the headliners--guess I'm just not much of a fan of >experimental music. Admittedly there was not much to look at. My appreciation of Hammer's work is largely from the perspective of conceptual art, and since Hammer himself comes out of a visual art background his music makes sense in that context. My own music history is of a singer who got into electronics. I like good melodies but I also like noise and subtly evolving timbres. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 18:28:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14222; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:13:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:13:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.144] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:45:41 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 23:06:58.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CAAC160:01C1A850] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, for some of my different projects, plz check out http://www.mp3.com/rdomain http://facehacker.iuma.com http://rdomain.iuma.com I've yet to put up my ambient (looping) guitar CD so all the material above isn't really loopbased at all. Ranges from ambient to experimental and industrial and everything in between. The rdomain mp3.com site has some interesting radio stations also. Cheers, Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > With my new job has come a HUGE pipeline to the Internet and I'm looking for > music to keep me through the day. I was wondering as > well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on > some server somewhere. > Links would be appreciated. > > Lindsay Graham > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 18:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15357; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049B8@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Analog looping in L.A. Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:24:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A852.EBE7DBB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A852.EBE7DBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No specific lambasting of J. Hammer--but it was tough to remain still and pay attention. Joseph pays rapt attention to what he's doing--not much visual happening. My big beef was with the headliners--guess I'm just not much of a fan of experimental music. Gary ** there were two reviewers of said gig, both didn't care for j. hammer - - and neither got the fact that what he was doing was looping . . . and had complained that there wasn't enough looping at the show. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. 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    No specific lambasting of J. Hammer--but it was tough to = remain still and
    pay attention. Joseph pays rapt attention to what he's d= oing--not much
    visual happening.
    My big beef was with the headliners--guess I'm just not = much of a fan of
    experimental music.
    Gary

    ** there were two reviewers of said gig, both didn't care= for j. hammer  - - and neither got the fact that what he was doing wa= s looping . . . and had complained that there wasn't enough looping at the = show.

    stig



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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A852.EBE7DBB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 18:43:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15256; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:30:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:30:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.10961389541626.142.338974714279@1.00005723534845> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:24:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? In-Reply-To: References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-uMMt.A.PpD.p2dV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My audio page has about 12 full shows (out of about 260 I've done so far) of mine. Most are very loopy indeed. In total it's many, many hours of unique listening, and you can stream or download for later. Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza - audio page: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/audio/ - Ken kenzo@free-music.com ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ > > With my new job has come a HUGE pipeline to the Internet and I'm looking for > > music to keep me through the day. I was wondering as > > well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on > > some server somewhere. > > Links would be appreciated. > > > > Lindsay Graham > > sonic detritus: > > left of eliot From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 18:47:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15675; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:35:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:35:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP and Repeater Use Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:20:29 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] > The mixers L/R output goes into the repeater "fx in". The > > repeater follows the EDP by midi clock sync. > > > > Do you have the midi out of the Repeater going into the midi in > of the EDP? No. The other way around. > If so how do you get your midi foot controller to talk to both units? Midi > merge box? I use the original EDP, no midi foot pedal there. But I do use a midi merge box to feed RPTR both the EDP midi clock and midi realtime controle (from a sequencer sending cc messages for dynamical pannings of two RPTR channels) > Is the EDP the master clock or is it slaved to a drum machine or > sequencer? EDP is the master clock. The cool thing is that you can stop everything a long press on the rec pedal while playing an "instrument fill". While doing this you can change tempo and have RPTR (+ panning automisation) catching up. > I'm trying different ideas out using both of these in tandem, and > find that > the most versatile setup is having both units synced to a third party, > common midi clock. It may be that going your way is powerful for free form > looping, but not so good using a drum machine, etc. > > Neil Interesting! I'm planning to do it your way when recording this rig into Logic. But I will also try out the other way; syncing Logic as well to the EDP master clock while recording both audio and tempo changes. I like the idea of starting off improvisations on the "human side", byt still having the possibility to ad stuff later in Logic - then hard synced to the improvised tempo changes. / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 18:55:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16480; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:43:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:43:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c1a854$e2531720$a1e3363e@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "franz bauer" From: "franz bauer" To: Subject: repeater vs echoplex Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:38:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1A85D.41CC0880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1A85D.41CC0880 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0016_01C1A85D.41CC0880" ------=_NextPart_001_0016_01C1A85D.41CC0880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, i'm a vibes/marimba/percussion player just diving in the loop world for = the first time by trying to do a solo-projekt with loops... i'm just testing the repeater...tested the old oberheim echoplex = before...would be interested in your opinions out there:=20 somehow i'm not able to get the same crisp, clear sound on the repeater = as on echoplex...do they have different sample rates? has anybody some experience (live situations...) with the repeater...is = it reliable...the echoplex seamed faster, more exact to me..? Can you midi-trigger them with, let's say a roland oktapad or roland = sds 6 or drumcat? (midi-footswitches are no solution for me: need my = feet- one for the vibes pedal...the other for keeping me from falling = ..:) can you still purchase the echoplex(gibson) in the States? If yes, where is a good dealer? Here in europe gibson gave it up again, it seemes. Would be nice to get some thougts, answers...what ever. Greetings from Berlin franz =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0016_01C1A85D.41CC0880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi everybody,
    i'm a vibes/marimba/percussion player = just diving=20 in the loop world for the first time by trying to do a solo-projekt with = loops...
    i'm just testing = the repeater...tested the old=20 oberheim echoplex before...would be interested in your opinions out = there:=20
    somehow i'm not able to get the same = crisp, clear=20 sound on the repeater as on echoplex...do they have different sample=20 rates?
    has anybody some experience (live = situations...)=20 with the repeater...is it reliable...the echoplex seamed faster, more=20 exact to me..?
    Can you midi-trigger them with, let's = say a=20 roland oktapad or  roland sds 6 or drumcat? (midi-footswitches = are no=20 solution for me: need my feet- one for the vibes pedal...the other for = keeping=20 me from falling ..:)
    can you still purchase the = echoplex(gibson) in the=20 States?
    If yes, where is a good = dealer?
    Here in europe gibson gave it up again, = it=20 seemes.
    Would be nice to get some thougts, = answers...what=20 ever.
    Greetings from Berlin
    franz
     
    ------=_NextPart_001_0016_01C1A85D.41CC0880-- ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1A85D.41CC0880 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Franz Bauer.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Franz Bauer.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Bauer;Franz FN:Franz Bauer TEL;HOME;VOICE:030/ 695 996 01 TEL;CELL;VOICE:0179/ 2150 556 TEL;HOME;FAX:=3Dtel ADR;WORK:;;;;;10961 LABEL;WORK:10961 ADR;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;Urbanstr. 170=3D0D=3D0A10961 = Berlin;Berlin;Berlin;10961 LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:Urbanstr. 170=3D0D=3D0A10961 = Berlin=3D0D=3D0ABerlin, Berlin 10961 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:franzbauer@gmx.net EMAIL;INTERNET:franzb68@aol.com REV:20020128T233823Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1A85D.41CC0880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 19:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17180; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:49:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <86.15ac9c5b.29873c18@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:43:20 EST Subject: Thanks for the CDs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, altruist@earthlink.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andre, I just want to say a big thank you for the discs you gave me at NAMM. The "Echoplex Solos" CD is fascinating piece of work. Cut #5 (Entwined) and #9 (Diorama) are ones that I even find myself mentally "humming." The playing is amazing, and use of the Echoplex is exemplary. The whole project is outstanding. I have listened to them several times in a variety of different situations/environments. I'm getting quite a kick out of just the listening experience alone (not to mention just trying to figure out what you're doing). AND...I take back some of what I said about the "Yogi" mixes CD. It rocks! It's interesting to hear multiple remixes of the same piece too . . . kind of educational. I think I can now tell where you've had your hand in there "slicing and dicing" in ways that I couldn't hear at first from listening on the web. I still miss your playing . . . but it's waaaaay cool anyway. Kind of NIN in a way . . . and something else I can't quite place. Very, very cool. Keep up the terrific work, Best of luck, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 19:46:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21676; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c1a85b$e03f0000$b363f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201282142.QAA05460@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: NAMM photo Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:28:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I want to know, is in the midst of all that black leather, who's that fruitbar* with the purple pants and orange back? whoaaa, they'll let anybody be loopers won't they. ;-) ps my only gripe is that you can't see Kim's rad purple/blue ninja mowhawk hair cut!! * I'm kidding guys............if you don't already know, it's me :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 20:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23306; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:54:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:54:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Barr Plexico" To: Subject: RE: JAM MAN Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:50:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C351BD2.5000606@surplustech.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5RZ5gC.A.1lF.4FfV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one available on eBay. In excellent condition. Follow the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1507318173&r=0&t=0&sh owTutorial=0&ed=1012719104&indexURL=0&rd=1 -----Original Message----- From: David Jeter [mailto:dbjeter@surplustech.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAM MAN I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition, with foot pedal. Any laying around? It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in conjunction with his drums. Thanks, David Jeter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 20:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25062; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:01:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:01:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c1a860$738c8400$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <200201282142.QAA05460@hemlock.violacea.com> <002001c1a85b$e03f0000$b363f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: NAMM photo Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:01:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, they look like a bunch of old farts! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: NAMM photo > What I want to know, is in the midst of all that black leather, > who's that fruitbar* with the purple pants and orange back? > > whoaaa, they'll let anybody be loopers won't they. ;-) > > > ps my only gripe is that you can't see Kim's rad purple/blue ninja > mowhawk hair cut!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * I'm kidding guys............if you don't already know, it's me :-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 20:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28325; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:46:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:46:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <27700-3C55A0DC-4045@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:43:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: moog pedals? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com William, I believe that Roland made a bass pedal type controller called a PK5 or something like that. I don't think they are made any longer but I do see them crop up on Ebay from time to time. bear in mind this unit has no sound engine of its own, it is a controller only. Try using the words midi controller to do an ebay search. Good Luck, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 20:58:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28528; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:47:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:47:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C55FD89.5BF306E3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:40:26 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm on your mp3 site and I'm loving it. Nice and sparce. Mark Ritchie wrote: > Hi there, > > for some of my different projects, plz check out > http://www.mp3.com/rdomain > http://facehacker.iuma.com > http://rdomain.iuma.com > > I've yet to put up my ambient (looping) guitar CD so all the material above > isn't really loopbased at all. Ranges from ambient to experimental and > industrial and everything in between. The rdomain mp3.com site has some > interesting radio stations also. > > Cheers, > Ritchie > ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > http://ninja.at/play > ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > > > With my new job has come a HUGE pipeline to the Internet and I'm looking > for > > music to keep me through the day. I was wondering as > > well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on > > some server somewhere. > > Links would be appreciated. > > > > Lindsay Graham > > sonic detritus: > > left of eliot > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:01:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28817; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:50:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:50:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: FW: EDP and Repeater Use Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:34:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Original msg from Per: > EDP is the master clock. The cool thing is that you can stop everything a > long press on the rec pedal while playing an "instrument fill". This is actually the coolest idea I've heard yet in using these in tandem! The thing I have yet to grasp is how the EDP interprets tempo when it is the clock master. Is there anything on the manual on that? What is considered a bar or a time signature or tempo when your EDP loop is 3, 10 or 30 seconds? And how does the RPTR interpret this? > Interesting! I'm planning to do it your way when recording this rig into > Logic. But I will also try out the other way; syncing Logic as well to the > EDP master clock while recording both audio and tempo changes. I like the > idea of starting off improvisations on the "human side", byt still having > the possibility to ad stuff later in Logic - then hard synced to the > improvised tempo changes. I've been in an instant-gratification rut recording loops synced to drum machines, but the few times I've done it free has been very gratifying. I'm a Logic user too. Please share what you find. That sounds like a powerful approach. One of the (good :-) problems I have is figuring out the best way to set up all my midi instruments via my long-ago-maxed-out Midi Time Piece (daisy chaining the rest). One of the reasons I ask so many questions rather than just experimenting is that I'm trying to figure out what additional hardware I need, or best way to route my existing hardware. I may stick the loopers directly in the MTP and let the synths be daisy chained after hearing about these pros/cons! Lets keep the talk flowing on using these beasts together! Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29084; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:53:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:53:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.b692738.298758f0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:46:24 EST Subject: Re: NAMM Photo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA28468 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hans@ernieball.com writes: >It was really great to meet everyone who showed up at the EH booth at NAMM. >I've put up a group photo from Saturday on www.armatronix.com - I hope >I got all >the names right from memory. ah..... sorry i wasn't there. actually, i *was* there --- but i was 5-10 minutes early, as i had an app't. to meet someone at one o'clock. next time, maybe..... best, dt / splattercell ps: lucky me, though: i did connect w/the s-man, andré la f., hairy kim & the ekstatik one. (dude.....) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29527; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:56:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:56:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:51:04 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: routing? mixers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020e01c1a867$6987a640$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020128195205.85249.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have to say that i have used a few mixers and when you need to quickly move more than one signal at a time, the rotary controls are very awkward. i'm using two mixers so i can control the main outs (alesis 12-r) separately from the looper outs (kawai mx-8sr) i'm using the insert trick bill fox described (though i would never use radio shack cables) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:52 PM Subject: Re: routing? mixers? > If I had big bucks I'd buy a Speck Ultramix cxi 8 bus > line mixer: > > http://www.speck.com/xmix_2.shtml > > But my mackie LM-3204 suffices for now: > > http://www.mackie.com/Products/LM3204.asp > > stephen > > --- DialaThos@aol.com wrote: > > I guess what's really needed here is a good line > > mixer (preferably rack > > mounted). > > ===== > Stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:08:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29734; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:57:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:57:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAtrI8GCAXET0MZ36hsaBn3Eu+qG0CFHEFkPKwUFk2va5eS4vRSVcBBQvw From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:52:21 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: moog pedals? Message-ID: <27784-3C560055-61@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Mary Jane Adams 's message of Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:12:45 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <8AY56.A.7EH.WBgV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No thats not it , remember the old taurus bass pedals by moog. Something like that. Thanks, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:13:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31686; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:02:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:02:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:57:02 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <021e01c1a868$3e98f000$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125144335.0531ffe0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020125172654.0518d6f0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 03:47 PM 1/25/2002, jim palmer wrote: > >didn't you just buy two repeaters? > > guess what I think is the number one flaw in the Repeater's otherwise nice > hardware design? it's the color, right? come on... it's the color... demand new graphics... > Dear Electrix, Don't do that again. hahaha, too late you already voted with your money... > >i think an even better solution would be for manufacturers to > >start using standardized supply connectors and voltages. > >then we could replace all the wall warts with a single power supply. > > hahaha, but then how would manufactures be able to make extra bucks by > selling you their single-source, custom labeled wall wart at an obscene > premium? > > kim oh, it's a profit deal... takes the pressure off.... no really, they can't be making much on this since they usually include an adaptor with the device in the first place. they would get them much cheaper if everyone used the same one.... plus, they'll do it cause i said so... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32399; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:07:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:07:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.22046b6d.29875c76@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:01:26 EST Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >this sentiment has been brought up many times recently. right. >that we >should buy now, because these product might not be around much >longer. this is really discouraging. indeed. >this "get it before it's gone" >mentality kindof sucks with high dollar items that would require >specific support and repair if it went haywire. true, but: my sentiments stand. having been involved with/paying attention to/ & occasionally evangelising 'hardware looping' for a moderate while, it is natural for *me* to worry about the future of both the EDP & Repeater..... two shining moments in our dusty little corner of the musical hardware shop, imo. dude: there just aren't a whole hell of a lot of developers/manufacturers busting down the doors of loopers' delight, hungry for ideas..... and sales. and --- a small reminder of loopers past (& passed)..... a) EH 16-second delay --- some people still use 'em, regardless of specific support and repair. b) Lexicon pcm42 --- (a *really* high-dollar item) --- some people still use 'em, regardless of specific support and repair. c) Lexicon Jamman --- some people still use 'em, regardless of specific support and repair. mon deux centimes, c'est tout; sorry for that. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:33:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01961; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:21:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:21:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:13:46 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: NAMM Photo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <029f01c1a86a$954e7030$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200201281518.KAA03225@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C557B10.5FE3508B@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hah! the dirty half-dozen... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: NAMM Photo > At 8:23 AM -0800 1/28/02, Hans Lindauer wrote: > > >I've put up a group photo from Saturday on www.armatronix.com > > Such a jolly bunch! > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02382; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:22:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.26.85] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM Photo Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:14:36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 02:14:37.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[B35EAA90:01C1A86A] Resent-Message-ID: <0zP3ID.A.tN.vWgV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Hedewa7@aol.com >ah..... sorry i wasn't there. >actually, i *was* there --- but i was 5-10 minutes early, as i had an >app't. >to meet someone at one o'clock. >next time, maybe..... >best, >dt / splattercell > >ps: >lucky me, though: >i did connect w/the s-man, andré la f., hairy kim & the ekstatik one. >(dude.....) Hey................Duuuuuuuudddde! that ekstasis(k) one _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03962; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:39:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:39:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:36:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: EDP Vs. Repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wanted to apologize to anyone I might have offended with my misguided analogy of David and Goliath in regards to the Repeater vs. EDP discussion. Thanks to Kim Flint for setting the record strait. My dig at Gibson was based on past history, which as Kim pointed out has nothing to do with the current relationship between his company Aurisis (correct spelling?) and Gibson. And, it could be argued that Gibson kept the EDP from going the way of the Jamman. Sorry for the ignorance which was based on an assumption and as they say "Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups. The truth is both products are fantastic tools, that each have their strengths and are equally worthy of consideration. I own a Repeater by the good graces and generosity of my brother Rick, who bought it for me. Otherwise I would still be using my Jamman. By the way, I have had a few problems with my Repeater, its a bit finicky, cumbersome live, and I still love it. It saddens me that either company would be having financial difficulties, and that the really cool music tools like these are, for all intents and purposes, "niche" products, and as such have a limited market. If I had the cash, I would buy an EDP just to support the company. I also inadvertently did something that really irritates me when I see others do it, namely, resort to trashing one product to promote another. The Repeater is no better than the EDP, just different. What I like about this web site is the sense of community, which in my humble opinion is sorely lacking in the music business as a whole. Do I have issues with big music corporations? You bet I do. But I realize that by attacking Gibson, which certainly isn't the first or last company that has gobbled up acquisitions and then spit them out again, I unfairly attacked the designers at Aurisis who put their heart, souls and brains into what many still consider the Rolls Royce of loopers. Sorry for the misguided vitriol. Don Quixote AKA Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 22:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07533; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:00:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:00:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.144] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <3C55FD89.5BF306E3@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:24:43 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 02:55:07.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C021B50:01C1A870] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I'd love to upload some tracks of my ambient guitar/bass CD (all done on the Repeater) release but I'm having trouble uploading for some reason. Thanks for the feedback and enjoy!! Ritchie > I'm on your mp3 site and I'm loving it. Nice and sparce. > > Mark > > Ritchie wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > for some of my different projects, plz check out > > http://www.mp3.com/rdomain > > http://facehacker.iuma.com > > http://rdomain.iuma.com > > > > I've yet to put up my ambient (looping) guitar CD so all the material above > > isn't really loopbased at all. Ranges from ambient to experimental and > > industrial and everything in between. The rdomain mp3.com site has some > > interesting radio stations also. > > > > Cheers, > > Ritchie > > ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > > http://ninja.at/play > > ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > > > > > With my new job has come a HUGE pipeline to the Internet and I'm looking > > for > > > music to keep me through the day. I was wondering as > > > well as what original material some of you might have squirreled away on > > > some server somewhere. > > > Links would be appreciated. > > > > > > Lindsay Graham > > > sonic detritus: > > > left of eliot > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 22:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08969; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:15:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:15:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.71.26] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM Photo Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:09:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 03:09:00.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CAF4EA0:01C1A872] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and I would like to add (dude) that it was really a special pleasure and honor (dude) to meet Andre (dude), Kim (again, dude), Hans(dude), Richard Z. (THE Dude) Gary L...(quite a dude), and all the other LDers who made it to NAMM....and of course the Rick Dude and s-man (dude). And really an honor to meet and hang out with that splatter-dude, who was honestly very friendly, informative and fun to hang out with. Thanks dude. Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 23:56:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16913; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:43:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:43:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.165.209.155] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #53 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:37:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 04:37:32.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA75B130:01C1A87E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a shame you caught me at a time without funds. Otherwise, I'd jump at the chance. I've been wanting to do something like that for a while. matt GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: Are there any Loopers from Australia, New Zealand or the US who would want to pay their own flights over to Japan, have a little vacation and participate in a historic looping concert. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 23:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17423; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:48:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:48:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.165.209.155] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: internet sound sources Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:42:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 04:42:04.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CFAEAB0:01C1A87F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've created 2 mp3.com stations: www.mp3.com/stations/ribosomes experimental music leaning towards ambient www.mp3.com/stations/headphone_tourism field recording-themed music Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 00:28:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20573; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:16:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:16:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:09:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Can I be loopy too?II From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8e.22046b6d.29875c76@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ahem... > and --- a small reminder of loopers past (& passed)..... and present > a) EH 16-second delay --- some people still use 'em, regardless of specific > support and repair. > b) Lexicon pcm42 --- (a *really* high-dollar item) --- some people still use > 'em, regardless of specific support and repair. > c) Lexicon Jamman --- some people still use 'em, regardless of specific > support and repair. > mon deux centimes, c'est tout; sorry for that. > best, > dt / splattercell i use all 3 ! its hell,i tell ya...:-) s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 00:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21146; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:22:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:22:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018001c1a884$0e690e80$3b52e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:16:07 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1H-1rB.A.VDF.1AjV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.mp3.com/stations/ambience An eight-part series of deep ambient playlists (that's my specialty) by a wide variety of fine artists. (and few damn loopers in there - the traps don't seem to work;) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 00:47:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22052; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:35:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:35:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:29:46 EST Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.20ba30a5.29878d4a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fb.20ba30a5.29878d4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also Ck Out AKASH's MP3.com Radio Station: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html Warm Regards, AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" www.akashmusic.com www.mp3.com/akashmusic --part1_fb.20ba30a5.29878d4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also Ck Out AKASH's MP3.com Radio Station:

    http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html

    Warm Regards,
    AKASH
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     --part1_fb.20ba30a5.29878d4a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 01:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25272; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:19:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018001c1a884$0e690e80$3b52e540@sunspot> References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403790FEF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> <018001c1a884$0e690e80$3b52e540@sunspot> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:13:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: Internet audio sources? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I've never gotten around to making my own station, but I've got a few tunes up at http://www.mp3.com/0crossing If anyone would like to use my stuff on their station, I'd be more than honored. My guess is that ambience would be about the place for my stuff. Mark >http://www.mp3.com/stations/ambience > >An eight-part series of deep ambient playlists >(that's my specialty) by a wide variety of fine artists. > >(and few damn loopers in there - the traps don't seem to work;) > >Cheers, >Scott M2 > >http://www.dreamSTATE.to >ambientelectronicsoundscapes >http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 04:03:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00974; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:51:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:51:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.87046e9.2987baea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:44:26 EST Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As an aside (I have no experience with the Roland guitar > synthesizers), I'm using a Roland-ready Strat with a Yamaha G50 (same > neural net technology as the Axon). The tracking is very good. yes, G50 tracks very well, and it has a mono input jack which works great , if you play the right chord it will give you a sub octave ( it knows the harmonic series). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 04:04:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01205; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:52:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:52:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.210cdd3e.2987baea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:44:26 EST Subject: Re: EDP sync question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <8KzplD.A.XL.UEmV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I noticed today that if I have the drum track playing (not looping, just > alot of bars of the drum track), record a loop on the EDP, stop the EDP > from recording, the loop will then play fine - even after all the bars of > the drum track are over (Cubase is still in Play). > > I then record the loop into cubase. > > But, when I stop Cubase and bring it back to bar one, the EDP plays one > revolution and then stops. > > I guess I've solved my problem, but what is the explanation for this? > > Thanks, EDP behaves differently when the loop is triggered from MIDI (rather than manually) I think you need to set SamplerStyle to "Run" if not, then Kim's post is a fuller analysis. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 04:04:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01175; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:51:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:51:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:44:25 EST Subject: Re: FROZEN EDP (problem) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have two EDP's. Almost daily one of them in particular will FREEZE. I > found that I can reach back with the EDP OFF, I toggle the switch that > specifies European or US voltage ... and then turn it back on and it works > fine for a while... (If i don't toggle the switch, it is frozen the same as > when I shut it off, when it turn it on again) > > What the heck is wrong with it? Hi Gregory , check that brothersync cable, bet that's it . ( or see Kim's post for a better answer) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 04:48:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04239; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:37:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:37:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C566AD9.B82050FD@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:26:49 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater Use References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neil Goldstein wrote: > > Original msg from Per: > > > EDP is the master clock. The cool thing is that you can stop everything a > > long press on the rec pedal while playing an "instrument fill". > > This is actually the coolest idea I've heard yet in using these in tandem! > The thing I have yet to grasp is how the EDP interprets tempo when it is the > clock master. Is there anything on the manual on that? What is considered a > bar or a time signature or tempo when your EDP loop is 3, 10 or 30 seconds? > And how does the RPTR interpret this? the 8th parameter is the key to sync out:the value equals the nb of 8th notes that the initial cycle will spit out: want to play a short cycle 1 quarter note long 1- set 8th :2 2- play something 3-record during 1 quarter note 4-plex loops 1 quarter and sequencer started 5-Multiply, insert , whatever a very long cycle set 8th:16 then record during a 2 measures cycle etc... in the next upgrade you'll be able to manipulate tempo and remote control a sequencer completly in incredible ways > > Interesting! I'm planning to do it your way when recording this rig into > > Logic. But I will also try out the other way; syncing Logic as well to the > > EDP master clock while recording both audio and tempo changes. I like the > > idea of starting off improvisations on the "human side", byt still having > > the possibility to ad stuff later in Logic - then hard synced to the > > improvised tempo changes. > > I've been in an instant-gratification rut recording loops synced to drum > machines, but the few times I've done it free has been very gratifying. > > I'm a Logic user too. Please share what you find. That sounds like a > powerful approach. > > One of the (good :-) problems I have is figuring out the best way to set up > all my midi instruments via my long-ago-maxed-out Midi Time Piece (daisy > chaining the rest). One of the reasons I ask so many questions rather than > just experimenting is that I'm trying to figure out what additional hardware > I need, or best way to route my existing hardware. I may stick the loopers > directly in the MTP and let the synths be daisy chained after hearing about > these pros/cons! > the most important thing is to filter out to death any message,channel,realtime,sys etc out that is not relevant to each separate receiver almost each of my midi receiving devices are on theyr midi chanel and physical separate line for that I still use the excellent opcode 8portse 8 in/out Claude (synced/syncing edp abuser) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 05:25:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06728; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:13:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:13:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1a8ac$6fe1e100$43c1a518@midsouth.rr.com> Reply-To: "Tardy" From: "Tardy" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: New Yamaha looping/delay device Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:05:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know it was mentioned previously by someone else, but here's another link to Yamaha's new delay unit http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/Yamaha/PR/UD-Stomp.html that was introduced at NAMM. Based on the 4 footswitches, and relative simplicity of the control layout, I was quick to assume this was Yamaha's answer to the Line6 DL4. However after just having read the manual available at www.yamahaguitars.com I realize that for better or worse, this is one complex box. Definitely not the plug-in-and-play device that the DL4 is. The manual is a very dry read, and after having been through it a couple of times I'm still trying to get my head around it. And this is after having spent 10 years with a TC 2290. I suppose for those just looking for a "DL4 with user presets and MIDI", this will be a disappointingly user-unfriendly device. For those looking for lots of tweaking and knob-twiddling potential, I suppose this box will be of serious interest. Either way, there seem to be some interesting concepts at work. I wish it was a little more intuitive though. Anybody else looked at this thing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 10:28:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28039; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:13:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:13:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:04:45 -0600 To: Richard Zvonar From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Re: Analog looping in L.A. Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Richard, Thanks for detailing Joseph Hammer's (non-repetitive) looping technique. Using recorded sound-as-art material, or non-musical devices as instruments, served my point departure from painting to sound and performance in the late-70s. I saw Joseph perform last August with Cindy Bernhard at Beyond Baroque, in Venice. It was Part of Brandon LaBelle's: "Beyond Music" festival. They performed just after dusk on the steps outside the venue. Cindy was handling light projection: slowly changing color fields on a screen set up behind Joseph. I don't recall what the light source was, however. Regarding the visual aspect...As the outside temperature dropped fog off the ocean, which is only a mile or two away, began enveloping the audience as we stood or sat on the lawn out front. Joseph wore white gloves while handling the tape. He also had a laptop next to his Ampex deck. I couldn't tell how it may have been used to manipulated the sound. Maybe it was generating color for the projection instead. I could certainly observe correlations between Joseph's tape manipulation and how they effected the source sounds of music and voices. Best regards, Eric --------------------- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: Sunday, Feb. 3 at 10pm, live on "Something Else," WLUW 88.7 FM, Chicago Performing on Springboard and electronics with Jason Soliday on computer. Hosted by Philip von Zweck. This broadcast can also be heard via streaming audio. Link via http://www.wluw.org/. Thursday, Feb. 7, 10pm at the Fireside Bowl, Chicago. Performing on Springboard and electronics with Nick Sondy, bass and electronics. Also playing, Dowser. Hosted by Thax Douglas. Thursday, Feb. 21, Opening of Plasticene's "And So I May Return" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave., Chicago. For more info call (312) 409-0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 10:48:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29134; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:32:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:32:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020129152730.40762.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:27:30 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: New Yamaha looping/delay device To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tardy sez: I suppose for those just looking for a "DL4 with user presets and MIDI", this will be a disappointingly user-unfriendly device. For those looking for lots of tweaking and knob-twiddling potential, I suppose this box will be of serious interest. Either way, there seem to be some interesting concepts at work. Whoa. You're not kidding. I downloaded the manual and had a brief look myself, and I'm psyched. If you like the Vortex, you'll probably love this thing. A few sample apps I thought of: -Set parallel delays tapped at 40% and 80%, with no feedback. Get yer 4/4 rhythm going, tap yer tempo, count off a 5-count over the four, and play notes on 1 and 2. The UD will fill in notes on 3, 4, 5, and 1. This works for other odd (and normal) meters as well, and you can chunk a couple of delays together if the 700 msec single line is not sufficient for your tempo. Takes a little more math than the Korg DL8000 or the D-Two, but neither of those fit in yer pedalboard. =) -Set parallel or cascading infinite delay lines, pan them independently, modulate some, and turn the inputs on and off selectively. Sweet for evolving ambient textures. -I think you can run an infinite delay (or more than 1) and a sampled phrase simultaneously. -Not sure from reading the manual, but the UD may be smart enough to run asynchronous loops in phrase sample mode. We may have to try it to be sure. Note: everything that I described above can be done WITHOUT MIDI, using the on-board switches. Obviously control gets much deeper if you add a pedalboard, or even just a CC pedal. I could have a lot of fun with this in the effects loop of my Repeater.... Release date: February; estimated street price (based on the AG Stomp): $400. Drool on, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com You can't make me think like you, mundane -Incubus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 11:28:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00370; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:16:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:16:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com Message-ID: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE3078FD92F@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:10:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A8DF.7E337740" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A8DF.7E337740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" You shouldn't have to make that choice. The internal GK-2A is available. This is the version of the pickup used in the Strats. I've got one on my touch-guitar and it's just awesome. These should be available through luthier supply stores. - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: January 28, 2002 2:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. At 4:20 PM -0500 1/28/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: what do you think of the r-ready strat, does the guitar really matter or is it just a place to mount a pick-up?..... The guitar really matters. The Roland-ready Strat is simply not as good a guitar as my other Strat. The only reason I bought it was that I hated having the GK-2A pasted onto my good guitar. I didn't want to screw it on, and the double-sided foam tape cape coming unstuck. If you intend to have a MIDI guitar that is just a MIDI guitar then the only things that matters are playing comfort and a decent neck. As for me, I'd prefer a guitar that can function in several modes. I'm considering customizing my American Deluxe Fat Strat with an RMC system and a Sustainiac. Then sometime down the road if money is available I may have a guitar made. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A8DF.7E337740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.
    You shouldn't have to make that choice.  The internal GK-2A is available.  This is the
    version of the pickup used in the Strats.  I've got one on my touch-guitar and it's just
    awesome.  These should be available through luthier supply stores.
     
    - Larry
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com]
    Sent: January 28, 2002 2:41 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.

    At 4:20 PM -0500 1/28/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

    what do you think of the r-ready strat, does the guitar really matter or is it just a place to mount a pick-up?.....

    The guitar really matters. The Roland-ready Strat is simply not as good a guitar as my other Strat. The only reason I bought it was that I hated having the GK-2A pasted onto my good guitar. I didn't want to screw it on, and the double-sided foam tape cape coming unstuck.

    If you intend to have a MIDI guitar that is just a MIDI guitar then the only things that matters are playing comfort and a decent neck. As for me, I'd prefer a guitar that can function in several modes. I'm considering customizing my American Deluxe Fat Strat with an RMC system and a Sustainiac. Then sometime down the road if money is available I may have a guitar made.
    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A8DF.7E337740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 12:23:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03975; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:05:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:05:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020129152730.40762.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020129152730.40762.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:59:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: New Yamaha looping/delay device Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-s6dyC.A.Yn.XTtV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wait, I'm a bit in the dark on this one. The Harmony Central article wasn't clear to say the least. Will this thing do time based delays and modulation based on a midi clock? (note I didn't say "synched") and WILL it synch it's loop via midi? One of the things I like the most about the Electrix Mo-FX is that as soon as it gets clock, it's "synched." >Tardy sez: > >I suppose for those just >looking for a "DL4 with user presets and MIDI", this >will be a >disappointingly user-unfriendly device. For those >looking for lots of >tweaking and knob-twiddling potential, I suppose this >box will be of serious >interest. Either way, there seem to be some >interesting concepts at work. > > > >Whoa. You're not kidding. I downloaded the manual >and had a brief look myself, and I'm psyched. If you >like the Vortex, you'll probably love this thing. A >few sample apps I thought of: > >-Set parallel delays tapped at 40% and 80%, with no >feedback. Get yer 4/4 rhythm going, tap yer tempo, >count off a 5-count over the four, and play notes on 1 >and 2. The UD will fill in notes on 3, 4, 5, and 1. >This works for other odd (and normal) meters as well, >and you can chunk a couple of delays together if the >700 msec single line is not sufficient for your tempo. > Takes a little more math than the Korg DL8000 or the >D-Two, but neither of those fit in yer pedalboard. =) > >-Set parallel or cascading infinite delay lines, pan >them independently, modulate some, and turn the inputs >on and off selectively. Sweet for evolving ambient >textures. > >-I think you can run an infinite delay (or more than >1) and a sampled phrase simultaneously. > >-Not sure from reading the manual, but the UD may be >smart enough to run asynchronous loops in phrase >sample mode. We may have to try it to be sure. > >Note: everything that I described above can be done >WITHOUT MIDI, using the on-board switches. Obviously >control gets much deeper if you add a pedalboard, or >even just a CC pedal. I could have a lot of fun with >this in the effects loop of my Repeater.... Release >date: February; estimated street price (based on the >AG Stomp): $400. > >Drool on, >Scott > > > > >===== >Scott Martin >coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > >You can't make me think like you, mundane >-Incubus > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 12:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04889; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:19:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:19:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:17:44 -0800 Subject: Re: New Yamaha looping/delay device From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c1a8ac$6fe1e100$43c1a518@midsouth.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My disappointment on reading the specs of this unit is that it has no way to set delay time from MIDI clock. I really do get frustrated with things that have tap tempo (which I think this does) and MIDI but no support for using MIDI clock as a tempo source. For delays without a lot of repeats, tapping in a tempo isn't that big a deal but I still prefer it when units just sync up automatically. This frustrated me about the DG Stomp and it feels more egregious on a delay box. Yamaha has actually done software upgrades on the DG amp series, so maybe it's time to start pinging Yamaha about this gap. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 12:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06005; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:38:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:38:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Reports from the lab (part 1) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:14:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C2994F2.D311F9D0@altruistmusic.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <25ADZD.A.iSB.sqtV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre Are you still planning to publish some EDP tutorials? Just wondering... Greedy for knowledge, Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 13:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06967; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:52:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:52:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:32:04 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. In-reply-to: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE3078FD92F@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1199796454==_ma============" References: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE3078FD92F@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1199796454==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:10 AM -0800 1/29/02, larry.peterson@autodesk.com wrote: >You shouldn't have to make that choice. The internal GK-2A is >available. This is the >version of the pickup used in the Strats. I've got one on my >touch-guitar and it's just >awesome. These should be available through luthier supply stores. Thanks for that info. I was unaware of that option, so when I bought the Yamaha G50 at eBay auction I also picked up an external GK-2A. Information about the internal kit doesn't seem to be readily available. It's certainly lacking (or well-hidden) on the Roland Web site, but a little Googling turned up several sources in the $220-275 range. I also found this site describing a DIY adaptation of the external GK as an internal installation: http://private.addcom.de/GP/DIYinternalGK2a.htm BTW - There is now a a bass version of the Roland VGuitar, as well as a bass version of the GK-2 pickup system: http://www.rolandus.com/products/2002/v-bass.html http://www.rolandus.com/products/2002/gk-2b.html A better alternative might be the RMC system http://www.rmcpickup.com/. For a Strat this would include the Pow'r Bridge 'ST' ($300) plus the Poly-Drive (~$350). There are several options for how/where the electronics are mounted. The system has the added benefit of providing an individual audio output from each string. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1199796454==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.
    At 8:10 AM -0800 1/29/02, larry.peterson@autodesk.com wrote:
    You shouldn't have to make that choice.  The internal GK-2A is available.  This is the
    version of the pickup used in the Strats.  I've got one on my touch-guitar and it's just
    awesome.  These should be available through luthier supply stores.

    Thanks for that info. I was unaware of that option, so when I bought the Yamaha G50 at eBay auction I also picked up an external GK-2A. Information about the internal kit doesn't seem to be readily available. It's certainly lacking (or well-hidden) on the Roland Web site, but a little Googling turned up several sources in the $220-275 range.

    I also found this site describing a DIY adaptation of the external GK as an internal installation: http://private.addcom.de/GP/DIYinternalGK2a.htm

    BTW - There is now a a bass version of the Roland VGuitar, as well as a bass version of the GK-2 pickup system:

    http://www.rolandus.com/products/2002/v-bass.html
    http://www.rolandus.com/products/2002/gk-2b.html


    A better alternative might be the RMC system http://www.rmcpickup.com/. For a Strat this would include the Pow'r Bridge 'ST' ($300) plus the Poly-Drive (~$350). There are several options for how/where the electronics are mounted. The system has the added benefit of providing an individual audio output from each string.


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    --============_-1199796454==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 13:10:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07353; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:58:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049BD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: someone was asking about bass pedals recently Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:47:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A8ED.01221190" Resent-Message-ID: <6EOreC.A.RmB.WBuV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A8ED.01221190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, someone was asking about bass pedals recently. i found this ad on harmony-central this morning. might be of use. stig. Dealer Ad: "MUSIC TECH BASS NOTE PEDALS" Asking Price: US$300 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: MODEL CPB-2 - $300. Stand Alone Floor Bass Pedals, 13 Note Range, It Has Controls For: Tuning, Envelope, Cutoff, Resonance, Doubling, Footage, Waveform, Sustain and Volume. All Original, Gig Bag, Excellent Condition. "E=MAIL FOR PHOTO" Seller: R. Gins, E-mail:flashback3@earthlink.net Post Date: 1/29/2002 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A8ED.01221190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable someone was asking about bass pedals recently

    howdy,

    someone was asking about bass pedals recen= tly.

    i found this ad on harmony-central this mo= rning. might be of use.

    stig.



    Dealer Ad: "MUSIC TECH B= ASS NOTE PEDALS"
    Asking Price: US$300
    Condition: Excellent
    Age: N/A
    Description:

      MODEL CPB-2 - $300.
      Stand Alone Floor Bass Pedals, 13 Note Range, It Has
      Controls For: Tuning, Envelope, Cutoff, Resonance,
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    Seller: R. Gins,
    E-mail:    fl= ashback3@earthlink.net <mail= to:flashback3@earthlink.net>Post Date: 1/29/2002



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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A8ED.01221190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 13:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08858; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:02:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:02:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:56:16 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New Yamaha looping/delay device In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020129152730.40762.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-KlpGC.A.2xB.SJuV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:59 AM -0800 1/29/02, Marklar wrote: >Will this thing do time based delays and modulation based on a midi >clock? (note I didn't say "synched") and WILL it synch it's loop via >midi? According to the MIDI implementation chart in the manual, it neither sends nor receives MIDI clock. There is an internal Sync function that allows multiple modulation effects to be synchronized, but although it is possible to program a phase offset between them it doesn't to allow proportional relationships between rates (e.g. 2:3:5). Tap tempo appears to affect the delay time setting only, not modulation rates. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The manual is at: http://www.yamaha.com/menuitems/manuals/guitars/UDSTOMP.pdf -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 13:44:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09818; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:14:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:14:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:08:42 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New Yamaha looping/delay device In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:17 AM -0800 1/29/02, Mark Hamburg wrote: >Yamaha has actually done software upgrades on the DG amp series, so maybe >it's time to start pinging Yamaha about this gap. You might address suggestions to Allan Holdsworth, who collaborated with Yamaha on the design -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 14:33:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14696; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:11:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:11:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:09:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Bass Pedals Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo William! The problem with really old gear like the Taurus pedals is somewhat obvious, what happens when they break? Also, I believe they were pre-midi.The Roland bass pedals I mentioned, have boucou midi implementation, and you are not tethered to onboard sounds. You could use them to trigger loopers, drive synth modules, maybe even bake cookies. Check em out dude. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 14:51:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15960; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:35:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:35:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:31:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Bass Pedals Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yo William! The problem with really old gear like the Taurus pedals is >somewhat obvious, what happens when they break? Also, I believe they were >pre-midi.The Roland bass pedals I mentioned, have boucou midi >implementation, and you are not tethered to onboard sounds. You could use >them to trigger loopers, drive synth modules, maybe even bake cookies. >Check em out dude. >Bill I have an old Farfisa organ with a busted stand piece, a broken, almost-unreplacable potentiometer and a circuit board out of place. I've been saving it to give to anybody who'd cart it away (I'm in Ansonia, Connecticut.) The two things that make it seem redeemable are the keyboard, whose action was really sweet last I tried it, and the bass pedals. So, back to the thread topic (sorta), is there any hobbyist kit for converting an old Farfisa's bass pedals to MIDI? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 15:32:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19307; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:14:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c1a8cd$fbe51160$43f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:05:13 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1A8CD.F8BB48B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1A8CD.F8BB48B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.i'm currently in the market for = a nice processor. i'm interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, = some reverbs, some delays...all things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff = that makes people look around on stage for the source of such wild = noise. what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab = sims, etc. thanks in advance for the advice. jim ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1A8CD.F8BB48B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.
    i'm currently in the market for a nice = processor.  i'm=20 interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some = delays...all=20 things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around = on stage=20 for the source of such wild noise.
     
    what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar=20 simulators, cab sims, etc.
     
    thanks in advance for the advice.
     
    jim
    ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1A8CD.F8BB48B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 15:41:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20317; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:27:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:27:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:13:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: Re: Bass Pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3t8XRD.A.4sE.LKwV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think you are missing the point about the taurus pedals. have you heard them? they sound like the low end in heaven! as for repairs, they use pretty standard parts that should be easy to source. what are the roland pedals worth? brett >Yo William! The problem with really old gear like the Taurus pedals is >somewhat obvious, what happens when they break? Also, I believe they were >pre-midi.The Roland bass pedals I mentioned, have boucou midi >implementation, and you are not tethered to onboard sounds. You could use >them to trigger loopers, drive synth modules, maybe even bake cookies. >Check em out dude. >Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 15:45:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20510; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:29:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:29:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008201c1a8cd$fbe51160$43f8c440@g0wn7> References: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:25:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i'm currently in the market for a nice processor.  i'm >interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some >delays...all >things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around on >stage >for the source of such wild noise. Have you considered a sampler? I mean like the Korg ES-1. Run a dry guitar out into it ... Or simpler would be the Kaoss pad, tho its construction is a bit cheesy. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 15:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21879; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:43:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:43:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:32:43 EST Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. Rogue Music has a couple of Eventides on consignment. They also had a TC Fireworx, and some Lexicon processors. Marc In a message dated 1/29/02 3:10:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.i'm currently in the market for a > nice processor. i'm interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some > reverbs, some delays...all things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that > makes people look around on stage for the source of such wild noise. > > what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, > etc. > > thanks in advance for the advice. > > jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:04:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22434; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:44:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: Fractal, Mozaic Sat 02/02/02 Sunnyvale, CA Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:33:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 20:33:23.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[3285AFF0:01C1A904] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! Fractal will be playing at the Quarternote in Sunnyvale, CA this Saturday, 02/02/02 with Mozaic opening. March and April gigs are also confirmed, with Headshear, Loop.pooL and Mushroom. See http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/gigs.html for gig details as well as musical samplings. Best, Nic _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22035; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:43:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:43:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [129.120.87.8] From: "adam P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:33:14 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 20:33:14.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D619DE0:01C1A904] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try some digitech stuff... I have a RP5 and it get some of the wierdest sounds I've EVER heard. Also try the TSR-24s... good for delay and reverb... plusss 4 independent outs... I like it! >From: "Jimmy Fowler" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:05:13 -0000 > >Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.i'm currently in the market for a >nice processor. i'm interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some >reverbs, some delays...all things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that >makes people look around on stage for the source of such wild noise. > >what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, >etc. > >thanks in advance for the advice. > >jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22244; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:44:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:44:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:27:35 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? In-reply-to: <008201c1a8cd$fbe51160$43f8c440@g0wn7> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <008201c1a8cd$fbe51160$43f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:05 PM +0000 1/29/02, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested >mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all >things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look >around on stage for the source of such wild noise. What's your budget? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23168; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:53:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:53:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:47:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 20:47:34.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DBC0800:01C1A906] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They also have my MXR Flanger/Doubler & GK 212 stereo cabinet on consignment too.. sorry for the plug :( >From: RandomLFO@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:32:43 EST > > Hello. Rogue Music has a couple of Eventides on consignment. They >also >had a TC Fireworx, and some Lexicon processors. > Marc > > >In a message dated 1/29/02 3:10:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > > > Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.i'm currently in the market for >a > > nice processor. i'm interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some > > reverbs, some delays...all things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that > > makes people look around on stage for the source of such wild noise. > > > > what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab >sims, > > etc. > > > > thanks in advance for the advice. > > > > jim > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24904; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:00:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:00:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C571A88.FFB3609F@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:56:24 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? References: <008201c1a8cd$fbe51160$43f8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are a couple of my favorites: Lexicon Vortex Digitech IPS33B (Harmonizer) Zvex Fuzz Probe -jas dimbulb.org Jimmy Fowler wrote: > i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested > mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all > things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around > on stage for the source of such wild noise. what i DON'T need are > oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, etc. thanks in > advance for the advice. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:12:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24996; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:00:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:00:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <008201c1a8cd$fbe51160$43f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:50:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1A8C3.8C0484C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 20:50:36.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A643180:01C1A906] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1A8C3.8C0484C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jimmy Fowler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested = mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all = things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around = on stage for the source of such wild noise. what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab = sims, etc. thanks in advance for the advice. jim ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1A8C3.8C0484C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.
     
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Jimmy=20 Fowler
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    Subject: good processor for = weird sounds,=20 etc.?

    i'm currently in the market for a nice = processor.  i'm=20 interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some = delays...all=20 things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around = on=20 stage for the source of such wild noise.
     
    what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, = guitar=20 simulators, cab sims, etc.
     
    thanks in advance for the advice.
     
    jim
    ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1A8C3.8C0484C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25683; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:05:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:05:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:54:07 -0800 Subject: Append to end of loop? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems vaguely in my memory that we've discussed this on the list before... I was watching Bill Horist play last night (if you haven't heard of him, do yourself a favor, he's an amazing looping guitarist from Seattle). He uses a Jam-man. He did something that sounded like appending a little extra something onto the end of a loop. While I know that he didn't actually do it, it got me thinking how useful that would be. I know that there are ways that I could hack it with my EDP or Repeater, but it'd be nice to have that functionality built in somehow. Is this in Loop4 or the Repeater OS1.5? Pretty please? Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25077; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:01:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:01:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:50:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 20:50:31.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[97582A00:01C1A906] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Try some digitech stuff... I have a RP5 and it get some of the wierdest > sounds I've EVER heard. Also try the TSR-24s... good for delay and > reverb... plusss 4 independent outs... I like it! > > Check out the Digitech 2120; they are old, and consequently can be obtained relatively cheaply in the used market. You will definitely need real time controllers to get the most of the box - foot pedals, or a PC1600. I'm pretty certain I'll never finish building patches for the thing. > >From: "Jimmy Fowler" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? > >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:05:13 -0000 > > > >Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.i'm currently in the market for a > >nice processor. i'm interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some > >reverbs, some delays...all things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that > >makes people look around on stage for the source of such wild noise. > > > >what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, > >etc. > > > >thanks in advance for the advice. > > > >jim > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:28:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27025; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:15:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:15:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:07:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A908.E9267A10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A908.E9267A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got two suggestions that always seem to get the "amazed" look from non-musician's: 1. Digitec Whammy II. You can get Theremin sounds, sirens, bird chirps, evil harmonies, radical slides into notes etc. all from one box. It seems that people smoking pot are especially impressed by that one. Really cool when used in conjunction with a looper. 2. Get a MIDI converter and an analog-style Synth. I personally like playing the Novation Super Bass Station using a Yamaha G-50 converter. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around on stage for the source of such wild noise. what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, etc. thanks in advance for the advice. jim ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A908.E9267A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.

    I've got two suggestions that always seem to get the "amazed" look from = non-musician's:

     

    1.       = Digitec Whammy II. You can get Theremin sounds, sirens, = bird chirps, evil harmonies, radical slides into notes etc. all from one = box. It seems that people smoking pot are especially impressed by that = one.=A0 Really cool when used in = conjunction with a looper.

    2.       = Get a MIDI converter and an analog-style Synth. I personally like = playing the Novation Super Bass Station using a Yamaha G-50 = converter.

     

    =A0 

    ----- Original Message = -----

    From: Jimmy Fowler

    Sent: Tuesday, January 29, = 2002 6:05 AM

    Subject: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?

     

    i'm currently in the market for a nice processor.  i'm interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, = some reverbs, some delays...all things "not-guitar", you know, the = stuff that makes people look around on stage for the source of such wild = noise.

     

    what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, = guitar simulators, cab sims, etc.

     

    thanks in advance for the = advice.

     

    jim

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A908.E9267A10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:31:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26902; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:15:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c1a908$ebb8e4c0$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <008201c1a8cd$fbe51160$43f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:07:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how much do you want to pay? key question. i assume you want a single rackable multi-processor, as opposed to discrete specialized devices. the following ideas are almost all fairly expensive (apx. $1K and up), with the exception of the M-ONE which i got for dang cheap recently. new/in production stuff: eventide's stuff (ultraharmonizer, et al) gets weird fast, i'd LOVE to have one. so does the t.c. electronics fireworkx. just about any t.c. stuff from the m-one (which is/was being blown out at guitar center incidentally, i picked one up for $300, woohoo!) on up is at least decently capable of what you describe, and has extensive midi support and good quality. the venerable loopy lexicon pcm series are classics for delays and reverbs, creative boxes (some out of production boxes, like the pcm-42, are awesome but support can be ... time consuming). there's lots others too, but these are my first ideas for quality general digital gizmoes and i really should be working, not reading this list ... ;-) mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Re: guitar synth opinions/experience/etc.i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around on stage for the source of such wild noise. what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, etc. thanks in advance for the advice. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:34:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26293; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:07:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c1a908$a106e260$f82d2141@cfl.rr.com> From: "Jehn" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #53 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:05:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_qkwZD.A.tJG._2wV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Need to set up some domestic benefit..where's the nonprofit-for-loopers? Jehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #53 > It's a shame you caught me at a time without funds. Otherwise, I'd jump at > the chance. I've been wanting to do something like that for a while. > > matt > > > > > GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > > > Are there any Loopers from Australia, New Zealand or the US > who would want to pay their own flights over to Japan, have > a little vacation and participate in a historic looping concert. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:43:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27318; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:17:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:17:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <043601c1a909$80bdd990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Bass Pedals Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:11:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So, back to the thread topic (sorta), is there any hobbyist kit for > converting an old Farfisa's bass pedals to MIDI? You might look here: http://tomscarff.tripod.com/bass_pedal/midi_bass_pedal_1.htm or: http://www.geopath.com/%7Ejraden/pedals/stampPedal.html Here's a good page of links to DIY MIDI Hardware projects: http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/#othhar Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28737; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:35:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:35:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQVGTl07ciGHQSyoQuv9EckBkUv4AIUWvHmVN+VoMYnzxAC302pANBvgwg= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:29:29 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam: Fractal, Mozaic Sat 02/02/02 Sunnyvale, CA Message-ID: <17260-3C571439-1114@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Nic Roozeboom" 's message of Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:33:23 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that Mushroom, the band with Daevid Allen from Gong. Bill/Las Vegas( so many Bill's on this list) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29112; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:37:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:37:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020129131656.02bad2a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:24:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Append to end of loop? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:54 PM 1/29/2002, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: >It seems vaguely in my memory that we've discussed this on the list >before... > >I was watching Bill Horist play last night (if you haven't heard of him, do >yourself a favor, he's an amazing looping guitarist from Seattle). He uses >a Jam-man. He did something that sounded like appending a little extra >something onto the end of a loop. While I know that he didn't actually do >it, it got me thinking how useful that would be. I know that there are ways >that I could hack it with my EDP or Repeater, but it'd be nice to have that >functionality built in somehow. > >Is this in Loop4 or the Repeater OS1.5? Pretty please? That's just the Insert function on the EDP. That's always been there, it doesn't require any update. You can insert either segments of time perfectly equal to your existing loop cycle times, or you can just insert a fragment independent of that. Simple to use, all works in real time. You can insert at the end or beginning or somewhere in the middle, wherever you choose. With quantize you can force it to happen exactly at the loop startpoint, or you can do it "free" and unquantized, whenever you tap. Repeater doesn't have any insert function. I didn't think the jamman did either, so I'm not sure what this fellow was doing. Maybe that's part of Bob's update. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:56:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29404; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:39:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:39:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049C6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:29:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A90B.F8F38D90" Resent-Message-ID: <31Xw7B.A.E8G.IVxV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A90B.F8F38D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" lovetone rinstinger ring mod lovetone ? "flanger" (tho it does *so* much more) - - this thing self-oscillates, so you can play the pedal; different knobs can control pitch or lfo speed, etc. loads of knobs to twiddle - - look ma, no notes! probably hard to get and getting hard to find. stig > i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested > mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all > things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around > on stage for the source of such wild noise. what i DON'T need are > oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, etc. thanks in > advance for the advice. jim Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A90B.F8F38D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?

    lovetone rinstinger ring mod

    lovetone ? "flanger" (tho it does *so* much mor= e) - - this thing self-oscillates, so you can play the pedal; different kno= bs can control pitch or lfo speed, etc.

    loads of knobs to twiddle - - look ma, no notes!

    probably hard to get and getting hard to find.


    stig



    > i'm currently in the market for a nice processor.&nb= sp; i'm interested
    > mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, s= ome delays...all
    > things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff = that makes people look around
    > on stage for the source of such wild noise. what i = DON'T need are
    > oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims,= etc. thanks in
    > advance for the advice. jim



    Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information= intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the= reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or age= nt responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any disseminati= on, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sende= r does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to = your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, = or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in err= or, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you.
     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A90B.F8F38D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:57:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28963; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:31:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: gig spam: Fractal, Mozaic Sat 02/02/02 Sunnyvale, CA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi! > >Fractal will be playing at the Quarternote in Sunnyvale, CA this Saturday, >02/02/02 with Mozaic opening. > >March and April gigs are also confirmed, with Headshear, Loop.pooL and >Mushroom. > >See http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/gigs.html for gig details as well as >musical samplings. > >Best, >Nic > Sunnydale!?! Oh, no! Look out for demons! --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 17:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30586; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:49:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:49:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049C7@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Append to end of loop? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:41:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A90D.B57B24E0" Resent-Message-ID: <7ztWCB.A.cTH.lexV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A90D.B57B24E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yeah, bill does some really nice stuff. heard him at the big sur experimental fest back in 2000. highly recommended. stig -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Goldsmith [mailto:kevin@unitcircle.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Append to end of loop? It seems vaguely in my memory that we've discussed this on the list before... I was watching Bill Horist play last night (if you haven't heard of him, do yourself a favor, he's an amazing looping guitarist from Seattle). He uses a Jam-man. He did something that sounded like appending a little extra something onto the end of a loop. While I know that he didn't actually do it, it got me thinking how useful that would be. I know that there are ways that I could hack it with my EDP or Repeater, but it'd be nice to have that functionality built in somehow. Is this in Loop4 or the Repeater OS1.5? Pretty please? Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A90D.B57B24E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Append to end of loop?

    yeah, bill does some really nice stuff.  heard him a= t the big sur experimental fest back in 2000. highly recommended.

    stig

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kevin Goldsmith [mailto:kevin@unitcircle.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:54 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Append to end of loop?


    It seems vaguely in my memory that we've discussed this o= n the list
    before...

    I was watching Bill Horist play last night (if you haven'= t heard of him, do
    yourself a favor, he's an amazing looping guitarist from= Seattle).  He uses
    a Jam-man.  He did something that sounded like appe= nding a little extra
    something onto the end of a loop.  While I know tha= t he didn't actually do
    it, it got me thinking how useful that would be.  I= know that there are ways
    that I could hack it with my EDP or Repeater, but it'd b= e nice to have that
    functionality built in somehow.

    Is this in Loop4 or the Repeater OS1.5?  Pretty plea= se?

        Kevin
    --
    Unit Circle Media
    = http://www.unitcircle.com



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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A90D.B57B24E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 17:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29969; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:45:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c1a90c$fca5a3a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Append to end of loop? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:36:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is built in to the EDP- It's called Insert! :) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Append to end of loop? > It seems vaguely in my memory that we've discussed this on the list > before... > > I was watching Bill Horist play last night (if you haven't heard of him, do > yourself a favor, he's an amazing looping guitarist from Seattle). He uses > a Jam-man. He did something that sounded like appending a little extra > something onto the end of a loop. While I know that he didn't actually do > it, it got me thinking how useful that would be. I know that there are ways > that I could hack it with my EDP or Repeater, but it'd be nice to have that > functionality built in somehow. > > Is this in Loop4 or the Repeater OS1.5? Pretty please? > > Kevin > -- > Unit Circle Media > http://www.unitcircle.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 17:08:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30982; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:52:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:52:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C571885.677F5C15@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:47:49 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? References: <008201c1a8cd$fbe51160$43f8c440@g0wn7> <3C571A88.FFB3609F@cabq.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for cheap, try a Digitech Space Station. You'll find out why they don't call it "Jim's Effect Processor" very quickly. Mark Sottilaro Jason Fink wrote: > Here are a couple of my favorites: > > Lexicon Vortex > Digitech IPS33B (Harmonizer) > Zvex Fuzz Probe > > -jas > dimbulb.org > > Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > > i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested > > mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all > > things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around > > on stage for the source of such wild noise. what i DON'T need are > > oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, etc. thanks in > > advance for the advice. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 17:10:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30437; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:49:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:49:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAyhJlWuMaohhmYMU1S50zkDgnB+gCFQCSa9/ydTcYk+a49Bxfp4c0sxXVQg== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:43:30 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Message-ID: <17265-3C571782-252@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: just john 's message of Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:25:18 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <8sDvUD.A.jSH.HexV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does the Kaoss pad have its own effects inside. I thought it was some kind of controller. (But I'm just a dumb drummer). What do you call a person who likes to hang out with musicians? I dont know, what? A Drummer. Bill/ LV From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 17:11:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31235; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:55:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:55:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:44:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 21:44:49.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D0FA1C0:01C1A90E] Resent-Message-ID: <7vLbrB.A.hUH.wfxV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right on! Pitchshift boxes work great. I sometimes put the digitech whammy &/or a old Boss PS box after the loops & bend away... My main post-loop processors are a Lexicon Vortex>LXP-1 combo or Lexicon PCM 80 w/ pitch card. The prices for all of these are starting to go down on eBay Cheers LOU >From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:07:07 -0500 > >I've got two suggestions that always seem to get the "amazed" look from >non-musician's: > >1. Digitec Whammy II. You can get Theremin sounds, sirens, bird >chirps, evil harmonies, radical slides into notes etc. all from one box. It >seems that people smoking pot are especially impressed by that one. Really >cool when used in conjunction with a looper. >2. Get a MIDI converter and an analog-style Synth. I personally like >playing the Novation Super Bass Station using a Yamaha G-50 converter. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jimmy Fowler >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:05 AM >Subject: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? > >i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested mainly in >odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all things >"not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around on stage >for >the source of such wild noise. > >what i DON'T need are oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, >etc. > >thanks in advance for the advice. > >jim _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 17:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01573; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: RE: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:08:56 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/29/2002 05:09:03 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've owned Eventides, Lexicons, and tc gear, which are all certainly fun, but they've all been sold over the years;...what I can't part with in my arsenal of weird-makers are my Digitech Space Station (best damn backwards delay I've ever used; factory patch #10--I never use its other patches but they are pretty whacked for poor-man's VG-8 type sounds), and my GT-5.... I know, I know, it's billed as a guitar processor/amp-sim, but I've upgraded these features with a GT-6 and a DG-Stomp (neither of which come close with built-in fx)...That 5 is a killer effector, complete with internal LFO and one-shot ramp modulator, a short (1.8ms) but effective looping delay, mono-synth voices, the incomparable "intelligent" Ring Mod mode (which makes outstanding clearly-pitched bass sounds) and a very configurable version of Slow Gear (both these suck, comparatively, on the GT-6), plus an external i/o loop, all in an infinitely-reorderable signal path with powerful EQ, wah, and formant filters, pan-chopper, noise-reduction and compression/limiting...and reverb'n'chorus, of course. GT-5s are now being widely blown out and dumped because the GT-6 is so much better at basic guitar/amp sounds, but the 5 was the FX king, make no mistake...I can't make these gargling, schreechy, flickering boom'n'sizzle noises quite as well any other way... Also seen a lot on for-sale lists these days is the powerful Korg AM-8000, which has nice filters, step-phasers and pitch-shifting, but needs two Korg control pedals to be most flexible...the GT-5 can do it all with just a couple of added DP-2 momentary switches. (Of course, the ALL-TIME king guit-weirder is the original VG-8EX...but I digress) Good hunting! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 17:26:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01109; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:09:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:09:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <17265-3C571782-252@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: just john 's message of Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:25:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:05:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does the Kaoss pad have its own effects inside. I thought it was some >kind of controller. (But I'm just a dumb drummer). I got the Kaoss pad for its MIDI controller capabilities*, but it does have a relatively standard nest of effects in it. Yeah, you control two params at once with its touch pad, but they're still pretty standard -- UNTIL you get to its sample playback. It can store up to six seconds (I think) of sound, and you play it back by running your finger side-to-side. So you can play it back slowly, or backwards or boomeranged or stuttered or ... * I got it when I got my keyboard controller that doesn't have mod wheels. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 17:43:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02843; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:32:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:30:37 -0800 Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C571885.677F5C15@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Korg AM8000R can generate some pretty cool sounds. Some Lexicon units (e.g., the PCM-70) have support for resonant chord programs that can do some really cool stuff when you feed percussive noises into them. (My PCM-70 is more or less for sale, BTW.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 17:45:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03176; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:34:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:34:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5722FD.3A5E49C6@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:42:41 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6h_h0D.A.Yo.LJyV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > ...It seems that people smoking pot are especially impressed... > this is universally applicable, yes? also, as was mentioned perhaps erroneously in the recent bass pedals thread (i think they were the moog taurus pedals the original poster was looking for, not these) bob's line of "moogerfoogers" will definitely bring forth unguitar-like sounds with minimal tweakage...and do a good job of impressing the odd clouded listener as well... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 18:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04889; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:53:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:53:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam: Fractal, Mozaic Sat 02/02/02 Sunnyvale, CA Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:48:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 22:48:08.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[057EC2E0:01C1A917] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill wrote: >Is that Mushroom, the band with Daevid Allen from Gong. Bill/Las Vegas( >so many Bill's on this list) > It is indeed *that* Mushroom, however the connection being that Daevid Allen's University of Errors is an offshoot from both Mushroom and Gong, involving one current member of Mushroom. {According to their website bio: http://www.innerspacerecords.com/mushroom/bio.htm } Nic _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 18:11:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06580; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:59:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:52:45 -0800 Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049C6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3095160765_57275_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3095160765_57275_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit yeah i use the -it is wickedee wickedee wack! also i use the (when its operational,been sent back twice and again its not doin its thang...wotis opp w/ this boxx o' mine? s lovetone rinstinger ring mod lovetone ? "flanger" (tho it does *so* much more) - - this thing self-oscillates, so you can play the pedal; different knobs can control pitch or lfo speed, etc. loads of knobs to twiddle - - look ma, no notes! probably hard to get and getting hard to find. stig > i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested > mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all > things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around > on stage for the source of such wild noise. what i DON'T need are > oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, etc. thanks in > advance for the advice. jim Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17265-3C571782-252@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <04w8OB.A.GPB.bhyV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (But I'm just a dumb drummer). What do you call a > person who likes to hang out with musicians? I dont know, what? A > Drummer. Bill/ LV > i new a drummer who used to speed up so much he was a 'beat off'! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 18:14:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06932; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:02:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:02:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c1a8e5$8f0cc340$1af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <008201c1a8cd$fbe51160$43f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:53:58 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com budget... hmmm...unlimited but since i have a hand full of other sound-machines (nord lead 2 synth, roland percussion pad/midi controller) and i rely on good old-fashioned guitar sounds, i don't really want to spend more than 2 grand. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 18:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08072; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:16:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:16:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: OT: Space Station Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:10:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These are discontinued and I see none on e-bay- any leads appreciated- I'd like to try one out- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 18:28:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08158; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:17:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:17:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:11:55 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_good_processor_for_weird_sounds,_etc.=3F?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.2.101 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA07632 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Get an Eventide ORVILLE or DSP7500 and you'll be on the top of wierd fun..... Italoop ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 18:38:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08680; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:26:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <60.1a393e02.2988878e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:17:34 EST Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. Since you have a good budget for this, I suggest an Eventide H3500 DFX. I just bought one myself, and there is another one on consignment at Rogue Music. They also have an H3000SE along with some Lexicon units and a Fireworx. Another suggestion would be to buy a rack mounted computer (Carillon AC-1 1.7 GHz, 512MB RAM, two 7200rpm HD's - $1399, and use programs like CrusherX, Reaktor, and Spektral Delay for live processing. Of course there are many interesting plug-ins available. If you prefer MAC, there are plenty of options there as well. Marc In a message dated 1/29/02 5:59:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > budget... > > hmmm...unlimited but since i have a hand full of other sound-machines (nord > lead 2 synth, roland percussion pad/midi controller) and i rely on good > old-fashioned guitar sounds, i don't really want to spend more than 2 grand. > > jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12747; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:03:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:03:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c1a922$7422bb60$dd732c42@geezbox> From: "G.Coleman" To: Subject: FS: Boomerang+ v2.0 w/ manual Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:09:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1A8F8.8A388440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1A8F8.8A388440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone's looking for a Boomerang, I just listed one on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1508430607 Thanks for your time. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1A8F8.8A388440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:25:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13295; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:14:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ba01c1a8ef$a052b6f0$1af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:06:06 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com those lovetone pedals sound really great... jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13243; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:13:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:13:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Space Station Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:02:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 00:02:42.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[7082F4D0:01C1A921] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Digitech 2120 is supposed to be a super set of it's functions, I have been told. I have not played with a space station very much. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: OT: Space Station > These are discontinued and I see none on e-bay- any leads appreciated- I'd > like to try one out- > > Cliff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14380; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:27:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:27:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:01:55 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: Space Station From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've got an extra... on 1/29/02 6:10 PM, Clifford@BienAppraisers at res0koq3@verizon.net wrote: > These are discontinued and I see none on e-bay- any leads appreciated- I'd > like to try one out- > > Cliff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14487; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:27:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:27:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [129.120.219.15] From: "adam P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:21:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 00:21:14.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[06D34370:01C1A924] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com E-bay has them all the time... just wait a few more days/week... >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Space Station >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:02:42 -0800 > > >The Digitech 2120 is supposed to be a super set of it's functions, I have >been told. I have not played with a space station very much. > >Jonathan >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:10 PM >Subject: OT: Space Station > > > > These are discontinued and I see none on e-bay- any leads appreciated- >I'd > > like to try one out- > > > > Cliff > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:43:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14127; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:25:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:25:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.137] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:16:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 00:16:31.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E911340:01C1A923] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >budget... > >hmmm...unlimited but since i have a hand full of other sound-machines (nord >lead 2 synth, roland percussion pad/midi controller) and i rely on good >old-fashioned guitar sounds, i don't really want to spend more than 2 >grand. > >jim I'm assuming you're looking for a processor for guitar? If so, I suggest an Ebow since nobody mentioned that yet. It's cheap and very effective, no installation required. Also, look into synths with analog inputs (Nord Micromodular, various analog synths, etc.) for processing guitar. A powerful combination would be such a synth and a MIDI guitar converter sending realtime parameter control messages to the synth. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15060; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:36:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:36:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:31:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Append to end of loop? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020129131656.02bad2a8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5ZQR_.A.0nD.t7zV8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim, Gotta read my EDP manual again. I'm obviously missing out on some pretty major features. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15746; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:43:56 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008901c1a927$3314bba0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Coffin wrote... > ... and my GT-5.... I know, I know, it's billed as a guitar processor/amp-sim, but I've upgraded these features with a GT-6 and a DG-Stomp (neither of which come close with built-in fx)...That 5 is a killer effector, complete with internal LFO and one-shot ramp modulator, a short (1.8ms) but effective looping delay, mono-synth voices, the incomparable "intelligent" Ring Mod mode (which makes outstanding clearly-pitched bass sounds) and a very configurable version of Slow Gear (both these suck, comparatively, on the GT-6), plus an external i/o loop, all in an infinitely-reorderable signal path with powerful EQ, wah, and formant filters, pan-chopper, noise-reduction and compression/limiting...and reverb'n'chorus, of course. GT-5s are now being widely blown out and dumped because the GT-6 is so much better at basic guitar/amp sounds, but the 5 was the FX king, make no mistake...I can't make these gargling, schreechy, flickering boom'n'sizzle noises quite as well any other way... I'll second this... I've used my GT-5 for post production, vocal verbs and fx... acoustic guitar. All the real-time control is amazingly easy to edit and somehow they managed to make the scaling parameters deeper than nearly everyone elses boxes. Floor controller and footswitches and dsp in a shoulder bag. The best direct box I've ever seen. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 20:35:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20001; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:22:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c1a92c$006ec880$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Space Station Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:18:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm- Space Station in Repeater effects loop.... C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 20:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20402; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:28:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:28:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:16:33 EST Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jf writes: >> i'm currently in the market for a nice processor. i'm interested >> mainly in odd sounds, spacey stuff, some reverbs, some delays...all >> things "not-guitar", you know, the stuff that makes people look around >> on stage for the source of such wild noise. what i DON'T need are >> oodles of distortions, guitar simulators, cab sims, etc. thanks in >> advance for the advice. jim sorry; i know it's not quite not what you asked, but: ..... ye might also try using some unconventional physical techniques on the instrument, as well as (mechanical/sonic) add-on devices..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 21:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21856; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:57:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:57:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:33:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >sorry; >i know it's not quite not what you asked, but: >..... ye might also try using some unconventional physical techniques on the >instrument, as well as (mechanical/sonic) add-on devices..... >best, >dt / splattercell and for this you're apologizing? no dessert for you tonight! great ideas, as usual, david... best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 21:21:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23462; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:08:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:08:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <171.7eebb3d.2988ae45@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:02:45 EST Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_171.7eebb3d.2988ae45_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_171.7eebb3d.2988ae45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/02 6:00:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > wotis opp w/ this boxx o' mine? > s.....i find that i have to re-set mine often, its like a really good tune-up.....this also happens with my alesis q2, when i re-set it it sounds like its on steroids.....:)m --part1_171.7eebb3d.2988ae45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/02 6:00:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:


    wotis opp w/ this boxx o' mine?


    s.....i find that i have to re-set mine often, its like a really good tune-up.....this also happens with my alesis q2, when i re-set it it sounds like its on steroids.....:)m     --part1_171.7eebb3d.2988ae45_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 21:23:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23745; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:12:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:12:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <91.1754a07e.2988af49@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:07:05 EST Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_91.1754a07e.2988af49_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_91.1754a07e.2988af49_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/02 5:59:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > budget... > > hmmm...unlimited cool beans dude.....send some o dat love loop scoot my way....:)m --part1_91.1754a07e.2988af49_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/02 5:59:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


    budget...

    hmmm...unlimited


    cool beans dude.....send some o dat love loop scoot my way....:)m     --part1_91.1754a07e.2988af49_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 21:40:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24576; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:28:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:28:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:24:01 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found that the 2120 does a lot of what the Space Station does...but not quite. Like I can get a backwards delay going, but I can't mute the incoming signal. I thought the upgrade from the 2112 would render my space station useless, but it wasn't the case. I've been thinking about putting it in my Repeater's effects loop, but haven't yet, due to it's mono input. I bet it would be sonic mayhem. Mark Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > The Digitech 2120 is supposed to be a super set of it's functions, I have > been told. I have not played with a space station very much. > > Jonathan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:10 PM > Subject: OT: Space Station > > > These are discontinued and I see none on e-bay- any leads appreciated- I'd > > like to try one out- > > > > Cliff > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 21:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25343; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020129203738.007ec210@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:37:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the Ensoniq DP/4. Harmony Central has some reviews. Around $400.00 or so on Ebay. Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 21:57:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25562; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:46:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:46:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c1a904$d756ae30$39f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:37:58 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i wish ebow would make a unit that could vibrate any number of strings...like, ummm...a little over-the-strings unit with one button for each guitar string...that way you could do chords. if they made that, i'd buy it in a heartbeat. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 22:21:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28213; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:09:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:09:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <128.b9e6343.2988bc8c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:03:40 EST Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_128.b9e6343.2988bc8c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_128.b9e6343.2988bc8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have got to check out 3ms pedals!!! If you want strange then this has got to be it; in particular the Triwave Picogenerator. I have wanted one of these pedals for a while but need to come up with the bread. They have a cool sales concept too; sorta 'buy or barter' type deal. You can also get complete instructions to build one of your own. They are at: http://www.commonsound.com/3ms/index.html -they have sound samples too. Check it out, you will not be disappointed!!! -Todd --part1_128.b9e6343.2988bc8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have got to check out 3ms pedals!!!  If you want strange then this has got to be it; in particular the Triwave Picogenerator.  I have wanted one of these pedals for a while but need to come up with the bread.  They have a cool sales concept too; sorta 'buy or barter' type deal.  You can also get complete instructions to build one of your own.  They are at:

    http://www.commonsound.com/3ms/index.html

    -they have sound samples too.  Check it out, you will not be disappointed!!!  -Todd     --part1_128.b9e6343.2988bc8c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 22:33:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29033; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:20:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:20:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.137] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:14:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 03:14:33.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D51AFA0:01C1A93C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i wish ebow would make a unit that could vibrate any number of >strings...like, ummm...a little over-the-strings unit with one button for >each guitar string...that way you could do chords. if they made that, i'd >buy it in a heartbeat. > >jim T'would sound cool, but something that achieves a similar effect (without one button per string - just use your fingers to mute unwanted strings) would be the Sustainiac Model B: http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm Yes, they say it's out of production but they also say they're working on a replacement model. Aside from that, get a vibrator (yeah, THAT kind of vibrator) and use it like an Ebow. Try whacking the strings with brushes, pencils, etc. or bowing them with a slide (Adrian Belew), metal rod (Daevid Allen of Gong), or something else. Mess around with the guitar, see what you come up with. I saw one guy even get sounds by holding up an HP calculator to the pickups. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 22:41:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29928; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:29:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:29:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c1a90a$e47c4100$39f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <91.1754a07e.2988af49@aol.com> Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:21:17 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C1A90A.E373F8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C1A90A.E373F8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable inheritance...what can i say? i'm fortunate. for a long time, i had to = wait and wait and wait to buy anything. =20 jim ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C1A90A.E373F8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    inheritance...what can i say?  i'm = fortunate.  for a=20 long time, i had to wait and wait and wait to buy anything.  =
     
    jim
    ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C1A90A.E373F8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 23:13:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00574; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:01:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:01:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:56:12 EST Subject: Re: EDP Vs. Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <3uYrAC.A.RuH.K82V8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com chillyb@cruzio.com writes: >I wanted to apologize to anyone I might have offended with my misguided >analogy of David and Goliath in regards to the Repeater vs. EDP discussion. no worries, mista --- i wasn't offended, just bemused. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 23:14:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00773; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:03:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:03:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <175.2e1290e.2988c966@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:58:30 EST Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >no dessert for you tonight! actually, i had: 1) a dbl expresso, & 2) mango & lemon sorbet. yum. dt / spleetersnail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 23:19:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01235; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:07:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <162.7ec925b.2988c908@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:56:56 EST Subject: Re: NAMM Photo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: >Thanks dude. dude! best, daoud From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 23:23:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01745; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:11:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:11:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:06:00 EST Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <0es-sC.A.qQ.KF3V8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com paolo said: >Aside from that, get a vibrator (yeah, THAT kind of vibrator) and use it >like an Ebow. Try whacking the strings with brushes, pencils, etc. or >bowing them with a slide (Adrian Belew), metal rod (Daevid Allen of Gong), >or something else. Mess around with the guitar, see what you come up with. >I saw one guy even get sounds by holding up an HP calculator to the pickups. yup: i use all that, sometimes: small radios, microcassette players, a vibrator, and two (switchable) mics built into my guitars: good fun. also: i built a funky mechanical (motor-driven, polyphonic) bowing device to be placed over the strings of my kikuyae (trans: chrysanthemum harp). plenty of useful (and not so useful) exploration still to be done, i think, if ya don't feel like going the more 'standardised' routes..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 23:45:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03809; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:33:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:33:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C571484.B4D4D641@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:30:45 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? References: <001d01c1a904$d756ae30$39f8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what about a susainiac? pretty close... http://www.sustainiac.com/stealth.htm > i wish ebow would make a unit that could vibrate any number of > strings...like, ummm...a little over-the-strings unit with one button for > each guitar string...that way you could do chords. if they made that, i'd > buy it in a heartbeat. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 23:55:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04648; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:44:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:44:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: midgard.darkcanvas.com: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:38:53 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: Reply-To: cc: Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? In-Reply-To: <001d01c1a904$d756ae30$39f8c440@g0wn7> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > i wish ebow would make a unit that could vibrate any number of > strings...like, ummm...a little over-the-strings unit with one button for > each guitar string...that way you could do chords. if they made that, i'd > buy it in a heartbeat. I keep threatening to rebuild several ebows into a conglomerated gizmotron-like device. regards, Steve burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 00:01:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05084; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:48:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:48:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Space Station Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:43:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 04:43:36.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE37B370:01C1A948] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I found that the 2120 does a lot of what the Space Station does...but not > quite. Like I can get a backwards delay going, but I can't mute the incoming > signal. I thought the upgrade from the 2112 would render my space station > useless, but it wasn't the case. Hmm. I could have sworn I've done this before. I'll check when I get home - I think you can, but there's a trick to it. > > I've been thinking about putting it in my Repeater's effects loop, but haven't > yet, due to it's mono input. I bet it would be sonic mayhem. > I have two mono effects on my repeater, and use the pan to control the mix - that way, you get two effects. Come to think of it, I pretty much have all my stereo fx sends set up that way :> Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 00:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08173; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:19:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:19:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019901c1a94d$0adb3a80$ea0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: moog pedals? Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:14:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: William Mcallister Is there anyone making pedals like the old moog pedals? Something midi? Thanks, Bill/Las Vegas ========= Hi Bill, I'm not aware of anyone making such a beast these days. I have the Taurus II ($100!!!!) and feel that, with proper EQ at the mixer and a good subwoofer, they do OK. I'm told the original Taurus has balls! I like my T2 because I can drive my ARP2600 simultaneously. Roland and Fatar make (made?) MIDI pedals. One octave. Use 'em to drive a micromodular or a Peavey Spectrum Synth or Spectrum Bass Synth or whatever you have on hand. Get a MIDI-->CV/Gate converter and stack in your modular synths in the mix, too. Get some MOTM or synthesizers.com (etc.) modules and go wild!!! Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 00:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09815; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:46:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:46:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020130054145.88527.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:41:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP Sync Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020127125411.00836830@mail.airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9r7QD.A.WVC.ee4V8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How are you setting the EDP sync on your parameters? bret --- Michael Clark wrote: > Hi, > > I was syncing my EDP to a drum track being played in Cubase. > > The EDP begins at beat one and records fine. I push record again to > stop > the recording process and playback begins. Once. The EDP will go > thru one > "revolution" of the loop and then stop playing the loop. Any idea > why? > > I'm going out of a Midiman 8X8 into the EDP. Cubase is playing the > drum > track thru a DM 5. > > Thanks, > > Michael > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 02:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19541; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:11:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001d01c1a904$d756ae30$39f8c440@g0wn7> References: <001d01c1a904$d756ae30$39f8c440@g0wn7> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:07:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i wish ebow would make a unit that could vibrate any number of >strings...like, ummm...a little over-the-strings unit with one button for >each guitar string...that way you could do chords. if they made that, i'd >buy it in a heartbeat. > >jim there was a mechanical device that bowed the strings with little wheels called a Gizmotron that did exactly that. These days, people are getting Sustaniacs. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 02:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19949; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:11:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: Space Station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I found that the 2120 does a lot of what the Space Station does...but not >> quite. Like I can get a backwards delay going, but I can't mute the >incoming >> signal. I thought the upgrade from the 2112 would render my space station >> useless, but it wasn't the case. > >Hmm. I could have sworn I've done this before. I'll check when I get home - >I think you can, but there's a trick to it. I'd love to know the trick. When I upgraded from the 2112 to the 2120 they gave me a manual that didn't go over all the new features, like reverse delays. When I complained to Digitech they said, "oh yeah." > > >> I've been thinking about putting it in my Repeater's effects loop, but >haven't >> yet, due to it's mono input. I bet it would be sonic mayhem. >> > >I have two mono effects on my repeater, and use the pan to control the mix - >that way, you get two effects. Come to think of it, I pretty much have all >my stereo fx sends set up that way :> Hmmmm that may be the way to go. There's that Vortex in the mix too. Can't have everything, where would you put it (in your signal path)? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 02:39:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20448; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:26:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sine@mail.zerocrossing.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:21:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marklar Subject: Re: Space Station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, you're one of those Chapman Stick guys! I know there are a bunch of you on this list. I'd sure like to know about how you approach looping as a stereo instrumentalist, and how you route your effects chain. Mark >Come to think of it, I pretty much have all >my stereo fx sends set up that way :> > > >Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 02:55:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21257; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:44:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:44:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:39:02 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: dosage @ zeitgeist gallery sunday feb 3rd "the sketchpad" presented by a.i.m. X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, all. Below is the concert announcement for my solo show this Sunday at 8pm, at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, MA. I'll be looping with a two-string baritone Telecaster through a lots of analog effects into two Line 6 DL4's. You might call the music "ambient noise" and you might not .. there's certainly a lot of rock n' roll going on.... Anyway, come check it out, whether or not the Patriots lose! thanks, Elio ------------------------------------------------- a.i.m. > presents > the sketchpad (kickoff show!) dosage (guitar, loops, noise) Sunday, Feb 3rd, 8pm Zeitgeist Gallery 312 Broadway (@ Norfolk St) Cambridge, Mass (outside Central Sq.) $6 / all ages / BYOB http://aim.telepathyrecords.com http://aim.telepathyrecords.com/dosage http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org the sketchpad new music & sounds @ the zeitgeist first & third sunday, every month in 2002 a presentation of advanced idea mechanics (a subsidiary of telepathy records) This Sunday Feb. 3rd, at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, a.i.m. presents Boston ambient/noise-rock artist "dosage" in the first show of a concert series entitled "the sketchpad." dosage is a Boston-based ambient/noise artist, whose music uses a two-string guitar, electricity, and 60-cycle hum as source material for improvised, loop-based, psychedelic noise. http://aim.telepathyrecords.com/dosage a.i.m. is a newly-launched freeform collective dedicated to the advancement of fringe independent music. The "sketchpad" series at the Zeitgeist will present artists from genres such as ambient, noise, free-improv loop, IDM, and sonic art. The series will occur on the first & third Sunday of every month, all shows are at 8pm, $6 cover, BYOB. a.i.m. is a subsidiary of Telepathy Records. To subscribe to the a.i.m. mailing list, email: aim@telepathyrecords.com To subscribe to the Telepathy Records mailing list, email: list@telepathyrecords.com Peace! --------------------------------------------------------------- a.i.m. (617) 504-8278 c/o telepathy records p.o. box 230484 aim@telepathyrecords.com boston, ma 02123 http://aim.telepathyrecords.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 06:28:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01168; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:16:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:16:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.58] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Space Station Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:12:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 11:10:49.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[C609A9A0:01C1A97E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a space station on its way via Ebay (they do come up quite often) I would like a bit of advice from you SS users where you would stick one in the signal chain. So far Im GP16 (roland git effects for the distortions,wahs and regular stuff) into Vortex into mixer. With Repeater on sends and repeaters sends to Korg MS2000 (synth) audio input for loop mangling. Question really is... should the Space Station go BEFORE the GP16 (prob best cos GP16 has stereo outs and the SS dont have stereo INS) BUT... problem is here that I always tend to think that distirtion should always come BEFORE anything... if you get my drift... Any ideas... MArk Red From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 07:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05722; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:13:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:13:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <131.7f81b32.29893c16@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:07:50 EST Subject: New Looper? (cheap) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA05367 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the New Behringer Virtualizer 2024 has a 5s sampler. you can play it backwards or determine the no. of repeats (don't know if it'll do infinite) ..and playback speed and control the start and end points. no overdubs but as an auxiliary looper maybe also dozens of bizarre FX think its under £200 (pounds GB) Will try to get hold of one, and review. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 08:32:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10403; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:21:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C57F1A2.C7616AEC@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:14:10 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? References: <001d01c1a904$d756ae30$39f8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jimmy Fowler wrote: > i wish ebow would make a unit that could vibrate any number of > strings...like, ummm...a little over-the-strings unit with one button for > each guitar string...that way you could do chords. if they made that, i'd > buy it in a heartbeat. You are being sarcastic, aren't you? Because you've described the Gizmotron, which was a commercial failure. Despite my buying five of them. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 09:56:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16332; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:34:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:34:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5805BA.19C8@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:39:56 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: GIG References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08049BD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9kTJRD.A.c5D.PNAW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Land of the Blind http://www.landoftheblind.com will be playing Fri. Feb 1st (this Friday)9.30pm Opening for Tempest(Magna Carta recording artist) At the Starry Plough in Berkeley Cyoackha Grace; Harmonium,Vocals,Looping Krystof;Dijderedoo,Keyboards Roland(from Psuedo Buddha!!)Percussion Myself;fretless Basses,Oud,electric Cello,looping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 10:05:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17476; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:53:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:53:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:47:33 EST Subject: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did I hear you say you budget was...UNLIMITED?? WELL...Here's what I'd do (consider this a challenge): !st: Install a KYMA sytem from Symbolic Sound; it's a hardware processor that uses either a Mac or PC as the interface, but has its own audio and MIDI I/O for latency-free realtime audio processing. Besides allowing virtually unlimited realtime fx chains with every conceivable aspect modulatable by virtually anything and having a timeline-based operating system so that what was a delay/multifx chain a moment ago is now morphing into a rack of granular and analog synths (with plenty of juice left for fx on top of that), it also can use any aspect of your audio input signal to drive its endless synthesis engines, including pitch, volume, etc (real guitar synthesis at last)...oh, and list-member Dennis Leas is currently deep into a project designing dream-world emulations of all know looping devices for KYMA, and it will stream any-size samples to and from a hard drive in real time. This is the ULTIMATE dsp toy under 5 or 6 grand (see below, Italoop; sorry, VSig just can't compare...also, I'm assuming there's something unspeakably cool if you wanna dump 10 to 20 grand or more in one place; I just don't know what it is...), and it's only $3300 for a base system, but you'll want to add at least a Motor Mix or two with motorized faders for hands-off control; 2nd: Add an Eventide Orville, or at least an Eclipse or two, for those unparalleled spacey Eventide harmonies, delays, and reverbs; 3rd: Pick up a Kurzweil KSP8, which reads like an ultimate version of the beloved old Ensoniq DP4, which was very cool, but suffered from noisy modulation; online samples of Kurzweil processing will make your mouth water...check their site; 4th: to drive all this bliss machinery, a custom-made guitar or two each with RMC transducers for driving Roland VG processors and Axon or Yamaha MIDI interfaces (more for MIDI continuous fx-parameter control than to drive synths, you understand...) and Sustainiac or Sustainer circuitry for those EBow moments...Hmmm, I think one of these would be a baritone from either Timtone, Citron, Villette or Turner (oh, hell...one each, please) driving this new VG for Bass from Roland (to supplement my remote-controlled, sound-proof room full of tube amps and mics); 5th: I'd need a custom (Bradshaw?) foot controller, of course; and... 6th: for mixing, monitoring, and recording all this, I'd need a Switchblade to route and switch anything to anything, a Yamaha or Roland digital mixer/daw w/CD-recorder, and a few Waves L2 hardware limiters and Avalon or Grace preamps to keep everything tidy and rich level-wise... then I'd rest... dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 10:36:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20641; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:24:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:24:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Atlanta Ga/magicicada\live/Feb 15\ @ Eyedrum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8TN3GC.A.d6E.O4AW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids if you would like-you could come and check out my show @ eyedrum< www.eyedrum.org >on the 15th-> I will be utilizing waterphone-live loops-processed voice-etc... Feb 15 Atlanta Georgia - Euphonic Productions presents An Evening of Electronic -Music featuring ja_dijiste Son of COD Magicicada $5 at the door Info on Magicicada at: http://www.magicicada.com Info on Son of COD at: http://sonofcod.cjb.net Info on ja_dijiste at: http://simon.futuresounds.com/users/kanito/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 11:27:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24698; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:15:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAjBNiPL03BNVUgQYPQ3c3b90p3roCFQDH1Lp4kVKWCRT2htb3bp5mdxs9Cg== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:10:51 -0800 (PST) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Bass Pedals Message-ID: <11063-3C581B0B-503@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-18519-255 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --WebTV-Mail-18519-255 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Yes, the Tom Scarff midi bass pedals are just what I was looking for. It seems there should be a place for them in todays High tech music scene. Especially for guitar players, Hold your own chords while soloing. Guitar solos, do people still do that? or did it go the route of the drum solo. Tom Scarff also has a midi theremin that looked interesting. Thank you very much. Blessings, Bill/Las Vegas --WebTV-Mail-18519-255 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-101-15.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.199.181) by storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtpin-101-15.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 775197F02; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:06:35 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: billybuddha@webtv.net Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (unknown [207.228.238.9]) by smtpin-101-15.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 9B083809B for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28060; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:28:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:28:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <043601c1a909$80bdd990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Bass Pedals Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:11:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So, back to the thread topic (sorta), is there any hobbyist kit for > converting an old Farfisa's bass pedals to MIDI? You might look here: http://tomscarff.tripod.com/bass_pedal/midi_bass_pedal_1.htm or: http://www.geopath.com/%7Ejraden/pedals/stampPedal.html Here's a good page of links to DIY MIDI Hardware projects: http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/#othhar Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com --WebTV-Mail-18519-255-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 12:54:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31626; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:36:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:36:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c1a978$1992b820$eed81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" , "olliecorgan" , "Ginga Ninja" , "smelly melly" , "James McIlroy" , "John Durnall" , "Brian Swain" , "MICHAEL CARTER" Subject: OT : joke Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:22:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Stinton" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: FW: Airplane > > > > > > > > > > A man boards an airplane and takes his seat. As he settles in, he > > glances > > > > up and sees a most beautiful woman boarding the plane. He soon > > realises > > > > she is heading straight towards his seat. A wave of nervous > > anticipation > > > > washes over him. Lo and behold, she takes the seat right beside his. > > > > Eager to strike up a conversation, he blurts out, "Business trip or > > > > vacation?". > > > > "Nymphomaniac Convention in Chicago," she states. > > > > Whoa!!! He swallows hard and is instantly crazed with excitement. > > > > Here's the most gorgeous woman he has ever seen, sitting RIGHT next > > to > > > > him > > > > and she's going to a meeting of nymphomaniacs! Struggling to maintain > > his > > > > outward cool, he calmly asks, "What's your business role at this > > > > convention?" > > > > > > > > "Lecturer", she says. "I use my experiences to debunk some of the > > popular > > > > myths about sexuality." > > > > "Really," he says, swallowing hard, "what myths are those?" > > > > "Well," she explains, "one popular myth is that African American men > > > > are the most well-endowed when, in fact, it is the Native American > > > > Indian who is most likely to possess that trait. Another popular myth > > is > > > > that French > > > > men are the best lovers, when actually it is men of Greek descent." > > > > Suddenly, the woman becomes very embarrassed and blushes. "I'm > > sorry," > > > > she > > > > says, "I shouldn't be discussing this with you, I don't even know > > your > > > > name!". > > > > > > > > "Tonto," the man says, as he extends his hand. "Tonto Papadopoulos" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email transmission is strictly confidential and intended solely for the > addressee. It may contain information which is covered by legal, > professional or other privilege and no mistake in transmission is intended > to waive or compromise such privilege. If you have received this > transmission in error please notify us as soon as possible. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 13:26:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02737; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:14:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:13:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Repeater Routing Hijinks Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been having great results both live and in the studio with the following repeater routing scheme. I use an effects send on my mixer to send signal to the repeater, then I use all four outputs returning to either four seperate tracks on my recorder (an ADAT) or for live, to four individual mixer channels. I hard pan repeater tracks 1 and 3 to the right and hard pan tracks 2 and 4 to the left, and use the send select function on the repeater to select all four outputs running simultaneously. The hard panning allows for seperation of the tracks and allows me to individually proccess each track seperately after I've laid them down. Its best to use the dry mute function with this scenario to prevent non-looped info (ie whatever you are playing over the top of your loops) from bleeding onto the loop track outputs. I like using mixer channels that have inserts for this scheme for optimum processing flexability, post loop recording. Also, using a mixer effects send for the repeater really is the way to go if you want to loop multiple input sources. It gives you the most flexability with the least amount of noise. Give it go mates Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 14:57:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09256; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:41:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:41:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.228.54.97] From: "James Binnie" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looking for Akai Headrush Schematic.. Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:33:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 19:33:22.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA9BE750:01C1A9C4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking for schematics for the AKAI Headreush E1. If any one out there can help me out by pointing me in the right direction (or informing me they have schematics), it would be great! I've got to do some repairs... tout-suite! James _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 15:27:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12286; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:15:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:15:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c1a996$c0d493b0$12f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Subject: lexicon vortex Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:02:23 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what exactly does the vortex do, sound-wise? jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 15:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12353; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:16:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:16:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c1a997$0531a520$12f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <001d01c1a904$d756ae30$39f8c440@g0wn7> <3C57F1A2.C7616AEC@pa.msu.edu> Subject: Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.? Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:04:21 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "You are being sarcastic, aren't you? Because you've described the Gizmotron, which was a commercial failure. Despite my buying five of them." i had no idea...i was being totally serious. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 16:51:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18640; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:34:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Subject: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated. Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:29:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 21:29:39.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[392B6D00:01C1A9D5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Hmm. I could have sworn I've done this before. I'll check when I get home - > >I think you can, but there's a trick to it. > > > I'd love to know the trick. When I upgraded from the 2112 to the > 2120 they gave me a manual that didn't go over all the new features, > like reverse delays. When I complained to Digitech they said, "oh > yeah." > Yes, there is no manual for the new features, as far as I can tell. Unfortunately, I didn't go home last night, so I didn't get to figure it out. > > > > >> I've been thinking about putting it in my Repeater's effects loop, but > >haven't > >> yet, due to it's mono input. I bet it would be sonic mayhem. > >> > > > >I have two mono effects on my repeater, and use the pan to control the mix - > >that way, you get two effects. Come to think of it, I pretty much have all > >my stereo fx sends set up that way :> > > Hmmmm that may be the way to go. There's that Vortex in the mix too. > Can't have everything, where would you put it (in your signal path)? > > Mark Sottilaro > > > >you're one of those Chapman Stick guys! I know there are a bunch of >you on this list. I'd sure like to know about how you approach >looping as a stereo instrumentalist, and how you route your effects >chain. I pretty much try to use them as separate instruments whenever possible; I now have each side of the stick go into a separate channel on the repeater - this way, I am able to record and loop a bass line, while soloing over the top, or vice versa. The inputs are shared with an fx send on the mixer, so I can loop effects from a cd player playing sound effects as well, or pretty much anything. (However, unlike many other loopers, I don't 'play' the mixer during a live show - it just sits hidden in my rack). I didn't have this set up at the gig you saw a few weeks back. As far as signal chain, if you are sitting comfortably, I'll begin... The melody strings of the chapman stick goes through a volume pedal, into a wah pedal and into a high pass filter (in a rackmount crossover), and into the input on the 2120. I use the wah as a tone control, rather than a wah, holding it in a fixed position, or moving it slowly. When playing with high gain settings, the bass side of the stick will crosstalk, and the high pass is meant to fix this. I doesn't work very well, but it's better than nothing. The bass strings go into the other channel of the crossover, with the low signal going into a cheap footpedal compressor before being combined with the high, and going into the second 2120. The chapman stick doesn't have quite as much low end thump and boom as a regular bass, and the compressor makes it stand out a little more. Again, it doesn't work all that well, but it's better than nothing. I've also experimented with an octave pedal on the low side of the crossover, but it just made mud. Now it gets complicated. Using splitter cables and the fx sends on my mixer, I am able to share a Vortex, Digitech 256, repeater and EDP between the two separate sides of the stick, a cd player playing sound effects, and an emu xl-7. The cd player plays cd-rs I burnt at home - for those of you who saw the my last show, that was where the effected vocals and looped movie dialog came from. - The repeater's fx sends go into a vortex and digitech 256 along with signals from emu xl-7. Using the panning controls on the repeater and emu, I am able to choose which effect the signal gets sent to. - The echoplex sits on an fx send on the mixer. Signals from the two 2120s, and the cd player are fed to the echoplex.. The outputs for everything go into a patchbay sitting on the back of the rack, and multed into the mixer. The patchbay is set up so I can give the sound guy separate signals from all the gear, and let him worry about the levels during a show. With so many sounds going on, worrying about the levels of everything is more than I can handle and still be musical The main outs on the mixer go back into a stereo compressor and BBE sonic maximizer (and back into the patch bay) - this feeds my P.A., or I can give the sound guy a processed, summed signal, should a split up signal be too much for him. Everything, apart from the pedals, are set up in a skb mini gig rig, which is has almost every space filled; top, front and rear. I have all the power for the footpedals and controllers wrapped in a cheap plastic snake from Fry's Electronic, coming out of the rig. Despite a ridiculous signal chain, it takes me less than 5 minutes to set up, from parking the car to sound check. It looks like this: http://www.dub-beautiful.org/archive/photo/2002/jan6-02/index2.htm Stuff still to do: - I need a pedal board for the pedals that just started mushrooming underfoot - can anyone recomend one? - I'd also like to know what effects people have found for changing the >tone< of their instrument, not necessarily effecting the signal. After watching David Torn's excellent video (thank you David!) a light went off in my head, and I added the wah pedal, which made a >huge< difference in the expressiveness of my tone (even though it's a pretty lame wah). Can anyone recomend other cheap toys that 'affect' the signal, without 'effecting' the signal? I can get all the effects I want out of the 2120s. - I've been trying to control the repeater with an ART X-15, but due to the repeater's poorly thought out midi response, you have to press each pedal twice for every action. Can anyone recomend a good replacement pedal? Pressing the repeater's buttons all the time is not working for me. What does electrix recomend? - Those 2120s effects loops are sitting unused :> - Add a laptop running Live, and Reason. - A few loopy bandmates :> There you go :> bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 17:07:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20119; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:55:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:55:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <98.20be09f5.2989c4a5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:50:29 EST Subject: Behringer FCB1010 footcontroller serious question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Researching the Behringer FCB1010 footcontroller Anyone got info about the delay between hitting the Switches and sending the signal? (latency) Could be the best bet for controlling the EDP. ( more CCs than the Ground control ) andy butler reply off list if so inclined From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 18:21:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27966; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:05:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:05:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C587A8C.7B670256@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:58:19 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated. References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4nwAHB.A.vdG.VqHW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woah, that's sure crazy! It's inspired me to pickup that huge SKB mini gig rig. Right now, I'm using 2 SKB racks, and it makes things a big complicated. My dream is to have one big box that I can plug my guitar and speakers into, plug in a power feed and be done with it. I used to have a much more complex set up, but the last time I played I found it to be way too cumbersome. It's not the most flexable setup now, but it's way more useable, and that makes it easier for me to be musical. Here it is, for any who are interested. Rack #1: Digitech 2120 Electrix Repeater. The effects output of the 2120 first hits a Korg AX30 (I love it's pressure pad!) and then to a SpaceStation, then back. The effects out of the repeater goes into Rack #2: Electrix WarpFactory to Alesis Air FX to Electrix Mo-FX to Lexicon Vortex to Digitech 128 (usually only used for HEAVY reverb for those Cymatic Scan moments) This is all fed by the output of my Roland GR-30 which is combining it's synth sounds with my straight guitar sound. I have not found anything that controls the Repeater in the way that I'd want it to, so I'm basically using the FS300 footswitch and using the front controls for the time being. It's actually not so bad once you get used to it. I find that controlling the Repeater via hand and screwing with the loops with the AirFX helps curb my tendency to over play. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 19:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31283; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:50:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:50:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c1a9e8$9c2b1320$e886fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> <001701c1a996$c0d493b0$12f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: lexicon vortex Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:48:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lots of stuff on the loopers delight site about this, check it out: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/vortex/vortex.html search the archives too and you'll find a bunch of threads mentioning it. but basically, it's a 1U dual processor with a bunch of wack delay/pitch based weirdo effects, which are cool enough by themselves, especially with pedal control over parameters (only one at a time tho, unfortunately, ob la di). however, one of it's big claims to fame is an architecture that allow you to morph between two different (or the same, with different paramter settings) effects. this isn't a simple cross-over, it actually interpolates between the two sets of parameters. really wack. kind of a noisy box and no midi, but those are really my only gripes. and i don't think the noise issue is universal. i've heard a number of similar observations, but i've also heard a couple people say they don't have this problem. oh, and it's out of production, but some service (3rd party?) might still be available, although i've never really had to look yet. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: lexicon vortex > what exactly does the vortex do, sound-wise? > > jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 19:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02377; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c1a9ba$87dcf2e0$25f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:18:29 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8Kv_mC.A.zh.P0IW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alright...so i don't really want to have to rack-mount a computer...sorry, no can do. kyma sounds REALLY fantastic, though... is there any way to get into morphing without having to use a computer program? i'm trying to keep everything in real-time with as little actual programming of musical material ahead of time as possible. i'm trying to avoid midi all-together, since the tracking seems to be hit or miss among users...or are the axon units really worth the $$$? having midi capabilities would really open things up, possibility-wise. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 19:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03940; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:41:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:41:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c1a9f0$026b0da0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP and Repeater Use Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:41:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <73ikT.A.k5.iHJW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Keep an eye on the small green light on the far right- the EDP simply makes the loop start point and end points a "bar" - and the tempo is calculated based on the 8th/beat setting. I am pretty sure this is correct- So if you make a short loop with 8ths setting like at 16- the tempo would be calculated to be very fast- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: FW: EDP and Repeater Use > Original msg from Per: > > > EDP is the master clock. The cool thing is that you can stop everything a > > long press on the rec pedal while playing an "instrument fill". > > This is actually the coolest idea I've heard yet in using these in tandem! > > The thing I have yet to grasp is how the EDP interprets tempo when it is the > clock master. Is there anything on the manual on that? What is considered a > bar or a time signature or tempo when your EDP loop is 3, 10 or 30 seconds? > And how does the RPTR interpret this? > > > Interesting! I'm planning to do it your way when recording this rig into > > Logic. But I will also try out the other way; syncing Logic as well to the > > EDP master clock while recording both audio and tempo changes. I like the > > idea of starting off improvisations on the "human side", byt still having > > the possibility to ad stuff later in Logic - then hard synced to the > > improvised tempo changes. > > I've been in an instant-gratification rut recording loops synced to drum > machines, but the few times I've done it free has been very gratifying. > > I'm a Logic user too. Please share what you find. That sounds like a > powerful approach. > > One of the (good :-) problems I have is figuring out the best way to set up > all my midi instruments via my long-ago-maxed-out Midi Time Piece (daisy > chaining the rest). One of the reasons I ask so many questions rather than > just experimenting is that I'm trying to figure out what additional hardware > I need, or best way to route my existing hardware. I may stick the loopers > directly in the MTP and let the synths be daisy chained after hearing about > these pros/cons! > > Lets keep the talk flowing on using these beasts together! > > Neil > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 20:04:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04646; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:52:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c1a9f1$934b90a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <003a01c1a9ba$87dcf2e0$25f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:52:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have HEARD that the Axon system is great. J. McLaughlin uses it and he plays very fast at times to say the least- it also seems to have some kick ass features like setting up different midi zones on the same string! Supposed to use "neural network" hardware or something like that- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) > alright...so i don't really want to have to rack-mount a computer...sorry, > no can do. kyma sounds REALLY fantastic, though... > > is there any way to get into morphing without having to use a computer > program? i'm trying to keep everything in real-time with as little actual > programming of musical material ahead of time as possible. > > i'm trying to avoid midi all-together, since the tracking seems to be hit or > miss among users...or are the axon units really worth the $$$? having midi > capabilities would really open things up, possibility-wise. > > jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 20:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07806; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:19:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:19:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5899FA.1AFA3B89@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:12:27 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2120 manual was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated. References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4GE9CD.A.-0B.LqJW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd love to know the trick. When I upgraded from the 2112 to the > > 2120 they gave me a manual that didn't go over all the new features, > > like reverse delays. When I complained to Digitech they said, "oh > > yeah." > > > > Yes, there is no manual for the new features, as far as I can tell. > Unfortunately, I didn't go home last night, so I didn't get to figure it > out. The manual for the now discontinued RP21D has these features and as far as I know is basically a floor based model of the 2120. Anyway, I have the pages on the Reverse/TimeWarp features somewhere if people really need a scan, I can try and dig them up. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 21:11:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11081; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C58A3EA.51A9621@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:54:51 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2120 manual was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated. References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> <3C5899FA.1AFA3B89@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That would be great! Thanks. Mark Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > I'd love to know the trick. When I upgraded from the 2112 to the > > > 2120 they gave me a manual that didn't go over all the new features, > > > like reverse delays. When I complained to Digitech they said, "oh > > > yeah." > > > > > > > Yes, there is no manual for the new features, as far as I can tell. > > Unfortunately, I didn't go home last night, so I didn't get to figure it > > out. > > The manual for the now discontinued RP21D has these features and as far as I > know is basically a floor based model of the 2120. Anyway, I have the pages on > the Reverse/TimeWarp features somewhere if people really need a scan, I can try > and dig them up. > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 21:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11468; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:08:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:08:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C58A5A9.189EBD75@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:02:17 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reports from the lab (part 1) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Neil, > Andre > > Are you still planning to publish some EDP tutorials? "Planning" is the operative word here. Trying to pinpoint anything more specific with my current schedule will no doubt catch up with me in a bad way, so... Right now, I'll say you should definitely look for it some time between now, and immediately after the tutorials hit the web. :-/ > Greedy for knowledge, Me too. Thanks for the interest, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 23:05:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17030; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:53:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:53:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: Reports from the lab (part 1) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:49:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C58A5A9.189EBD75@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't even have an EDP anymore and I look forward to tutorials from you Andre. I am one of those people whose imaginations haven't yet caught up to the power of the EDP, but I recall having my mind blown by the mp3s of your performance in LA (was it a loopfest? you know the one, there were kids running around bringing everyone down to earth. BTW, are those mp3s still up somewhere?) Definitely a lightbulb-over-the-head experience, listening to your music. I don't mean to foist anything onto anyone, but here's an idea: Andre writes an application guide for the next version of Aurisis' Loop. I like it! Jim > Hi Neil, > > > Andre > > > > Are you still planning to publish some EDP tutorials? > > "Planning" is the operative word here. Trying to pinpoint > anything more > specific with my current schedule will no doubt catch up with me in a > bad way, so... > > Right now, I'll say you should definitely look for it some > time between > now, and immediately after the tutorials hit the web. :-/ > > > Greedy for knowledge, > > Me too. > > Thanks for the interest, > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 00:35:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23419; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:23:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:23:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.137] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:19:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 05:19:08.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF63EF40:01C1AA16] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >alright...so i don't really want to have to rack-mount a computer...sorry, >no can do. kyma sounds REALLY fantastic, though... For Kyma, get a the cheapest laptop you can find with a FireWire port. Portability issue solved. >i'm trying to avoid midi all-together, since the tracking seems to be hit >or >miss among users...or are the axon units really worth the $$$? having midi >capabilities would really open things up, possibility-wise. One way to avoid tracking problems with MIDI guitar is to use your true guitar sound as the source "waveform", fed into an effects processor that takes MIDI continuous controller messages or a synth with audio input (e.g. MIDI note number controls LFO speed, MIDI velocity controls delay time... or MIDI note number controls chorus width and MIDI velocity controls synth envelope parameters... or... you get the idea). Result: NO tracking problems because that's your real guitar sound you're hearing, processed by synth or effects unit. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 00:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23276; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:22:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:22:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.141] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <98.20be09f5.2989c4a5@aol.com> Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 footcontroller serious question Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:05:26 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 05:18:01.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[A73FE730:01C1AA16] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had no problems with it thus far regarding latency. Mind you, I haven't stacked commands yet mainly due to the hardware being the weaker link regarding speed. I'm using it to control the Repeater. I'd recommend it. Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ ----- Original Message ----- > Researching the Behringer FCB1010 footcontroller > > Anyone got info about the delay between hitting the Switches and sending the > signal? > (latency) > > Could be the best bet for controlling the EDP. > ( more CCs than the Ground control ) > > andy butler > > reply off list if so inclined > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 00:43:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23794; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.143] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated. Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:14:21 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 05:26:55.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[E58457F0:01C1AA17] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd recommend the Behringer FCB1010 foot controller. Check it out at the Behringer site. Ritchie ps. sweet rig btw ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated. > > - I've been trying to control the repeater with an ART X-15, but due to the > repeater's poorly thought out midi response, you have to press each pedal > twice for every action. Can anyone recomend a good replacement pedal? > Pressing the repeater's buttons all the time is not working for me. What > does electrix recomend? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 01:28:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27506; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:15:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:15:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020131061200.40405.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:12:00 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Digitech 2120 Reverse Delay Parameters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From the RP21D user manual- On/Off- Selects whether the effect is active or bypassed FX Level- Controls the volume level of the reverse delay signal. Ranges from off to 100% Dry Level- Controls the volume level of the incoming source signal, or the signal that has no reverse delay effect. Ranges from off to 100 Balance- Controls the left/right placement of the reversed signal in the stereo field. Ranges from l-99(full left) to r-99(full right) 0 is centered. Reverse Time-This parameter adjusts the length of time for which the effect will record. Range is dependent upon the processing power assigned to the module(5 seconds max with full power module). Observations.... The FX Level parameter should control the signal input to the effect. At least that's what this parameter does on other fx on the 2120. No feedback parameter. It gives a single repeat. You can work around this to some degree by putting the reverse delay in front of another delay module set at the same delay time. I killed a few hours this morning running the reverse delay into a dual delay (ping-pong) & playing with the dual delay's feedback parameter. That was kind of fun! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 02:11:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30404; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:59:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:59:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c1a9f2$3127db80$2ef8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:56:59 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "One way to avoid tracking problems with MIDI guitar is to use your true guitar sound as the source "waveform", fed into an effects processor that takes MIDI continuous controller messages or a synth with audio input (e.g. MIDI note number controls LFO speed, MIDI velocity controls delay time... or MIDI note number controls chorus width and MIDI velocity controls synth envelope parameters... or... you get the idea). Result: NO tracking problems because that's your real guitar sound you're hearing, processed by synth or effects unit." pardon my ignorance, but how exactly would i go about configuring the aforementioned setup? what units specifically, etc. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 02:22:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31098; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:09:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:09:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:04:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 Reverse Delay Parameters From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020131061200.40405.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must be doing something odd. Although I did turn the dry level down, I didn't get the reverse delay only, as I do with my Space Station. I'm going to have to play around with that one again... if for nothing else but to be able to get an exact delay time, to synch with other gear. Mark on 1/30/02 10:12 PM, John Tidwell at wedgehed@yahoo.com wrote: >> From the RP21D user manual- > > On/Off- Selects whether the effect is active or > bypassed > > FX Level- Controls the volume level of the reverse > delay signal. Ranges from off to 100% > > Dry Level- Controls the volume level of the incoming > source signal, or the signal that has no > reverse delay effect. Ranges from off to > 100 > > Balance- Controls the left/right placement of the > reversed signal in the stereo field. Ranges > from l-99(full left) to r-99(full right) > 0 is centered. > > Reverse Time-This parameter adjusts the length of time > for which the effect will record. Range > is > dependent upon the processing power > assigned to the module(5 seconds max with > full power module). > > > Observations.... > > The FX Level parameter should control the signal input > to the effect. At least that's what this parameter > does > on other fx on the 2120. > > No feedback parameter. It gives a single repeat. > You can work around this to some degree by putting > the reverse delay in front of another delay module > set at the same delay time. I killed a few hours this > morning running the reverse delay into a dual delay > (ping-pong) & playing with the dual delay's feedback > parameter. > > That was kind of fun! > > John > > > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 02:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32500; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:34:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:34:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020131073028.87712.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:30:28 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 Reverse Delay Parameters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark- Have you checked the Master Mix setting? It should be 100% wet for what you want. John --- Marklar wrote: > I must be doing something odd. Although I did turn > the dry level down, I > didn't get the reverse delay only, as I do with my > Space Station. I'm going > to have to play around with that one again... if for > nothing else but to be > able to get an exact delay time, to synch with other > gear. > > Mark ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 02:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00592; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:44:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:44:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020131074107.48880.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:41:07 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c1a9f2$3127db80$2ef8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, me too! I have a Roland GI-10 that puts out midi notes &, I assume, midi velocity info. None of my multi-fx gear responds to these type messages. Is there a midi mapper that would convert both notes & velocity into midi cc (at the same time)? John --- Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > pardon my ignorance, but how exactly would i go > about configuring the > aforementioned setup? what units specifically, etc. > > jim > > > "One way to avoid tracking problems with MIDI guitar > is to use your true > guitar sound as the source "waveform", fed into an > effects processor that > takes MIDI continuous controller messages or a synth > with audio input (e.g. > MIDI note number controls LFO speed, MIDI velocity > controls delay time... or > MIDI note number controls chorus width and MIDI > velocity controls synth > envelope parameters... or... you get the idea). > Result: NO tracking > problems because that's your real guitar sound > you're hearing, processed by > synth or effects unit." ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 06:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13686; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:44:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:44:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020131114104.9083.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:41:04 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since you already have a couple of 2120s in your signal path, why not set up some comb filters? John --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > - I'd also like to know what effects people have > found for changing the > >tone< of their instrument, not necessarily > effecting the signal. After > watching David Torn's excellent video (thank you > David!) a light went off in > my head, and I added the wah pedal, which made a > >huge< difference in the > expressiveness of my tone (even though it's a pretty > lame wah). Can anyone > recomend other cheap toys that 'affect' the signal, > without 'effecting' the > signal? I can get all the effects I want out of the > 2120s. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 07:33:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16761; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: Space Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:17:17 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/31/2002 07:17:25 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I use mine only for reversing the signal, I have it placed first in line (then a compressor, then a 3-way switch splitting into different multi-fx/preamps--GT-5 and 6 and DG-Stomp). I don't notice any difference in basic tone when the SS pedal is down, doing its thing. David << I have a space station on its way via Ebay (they do come up quite often) I would like a bit of advice from you SS users where you would stick one in the signal chain.>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 08:05:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18671; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:52:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:52:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:49:08 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/31/2002 07:49:09 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's my experience: The Vortex appears to be the only unit that offers algorithm morphing rather than just parameter crossfading...don't think even Kyma "morphs" between algorithms, just uses a timeline to redefine what it's doing. (i don't have it yet, so I can't say more.) But in practice I don't think this is such a serious distinction. I have a Vortex, and I haven't found those "midpoints" where morphing algorithms should be providing otherwise unthinkable results all that remarkable...perhaps I've given up too quickly, but the things I've heard aren't obviously different from crossfading or even very striking--they're kinda mushy. The point for me is, many units can switch or fade between different preset sounds, but how interesting/useful/complex are the transitions? I found a tc G-Force to offer the best multi-position flexibility I've experienced. Since it offers up to 26 possible mod connections per patch, you can set up very complex counter movements for a single pedal throw, so that the box is really doing three or even four very different things at different points along the path, and the in-between points are definitely useful, not abrupt at all. I found this much more involving than anything I've heard the Vortex do. The Fireworx offers even better mod capabilities but unfortunately you can't get as many fx blocks going at once as on the G-Force, so it's nowhere near as diverse in practice. David <> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 09:26:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24559; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:13:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:13:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: Percussive Loopers Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:08:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either acoustic or electronic drums/percussion? Here's my set-up: 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) Alesis DM-Pro Repeater Behringer FCB1010 Alan _________________________ Alan Barnard BarnarDesign http://www.barnardesign.com alan@barnardesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 09:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26410; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:37:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c1aa64$4fa74ba0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:33:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <7LgPSB.A.1WG.yXVW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either acoustic or > electronic drums/percussion? Sure! I loop acoustic percussion. Loopers: 2 EDP, 1 Kyma Besides myself, I know of several others on the list. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 09:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26561; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:38:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:38:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:37:48 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C5956BC.A1BCAE19@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020131074107.48880.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the Midi Solutions mapper and other products. http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm Alternatively, the Nord MicroModular can process notes and velocity (or midi cc) to affect a wide range of synth parameters or effects, which can be applied to the incoming audio. Just about anything you can imagine except reverb & delay. http://www.clavia.se/modular.htm John Tidwell wrote: > Hey, me too! I have a Roland GI-10 that puts out midi > notes &, I assume, midi velocity info. None of my > multi-fx gear responds to these type messages. Is > there a midi mapper that would convert both notes & > velocity into midi cc (at the same time)? > > John > > --- Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > > > pardon my ignorance, but how exactly would i go > > about configuring the > > aforementioned setup? what units specifically, etc. > > > > jim > > > > > > "One way to avoid tracking problems with MIDI guitar > > is to use your true > > guitar sound as the source "waveform", fed into an > > effects processor that > > takes MIDI continuous controller messages or a synth > > with audio input (e.g. > > MIDI note number controls LFO speed, MIDI velocity > > controls delay time... or > > MIDI note number controls chorus width and MIDI > > velocity controls synth > > envelope parameters... or... you get the idea). > > Result: NO tracking > > problems because that's your real guitar sound > > you're hearing, processed by > > synth or effects unit." > > > ===== > John Tidwell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 10:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29631; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:08:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:08:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C596C4A.838BA4AE@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:09:46 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated. References: <00ab01c1a91a$249e9120$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3C575942.7317BB4@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought a cheap X-15 for my Repeater and very quickly HATED it! Then I bought a version 1.0 DMC ground control which didnt cut it either. I sold the DMC and bought another updated version (2.4) for the same amount of dough and it is great! Others report that the Berhinger is working well for them and its priced pretty well. -jas Albuquerque Jonathan El-Bizri wrote:ables and the fx sends on my mixer, > > - I've been trying to control the repeater with an ART X-15, but due to the > repeater's poorly thought out midi response, you have to press each pedal > twice for every action. Can anyone recomend a good replacement pedal? > Pressing the repeater's buttons all the time is not working for me. What > does electrix recomend? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 10:55:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32075; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:42:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:42:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ben Porter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:38:38 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: Subject: Trademark infringement at Looper's Delight!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Opera 6.0 build 1010 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hehe. Just ran across this:: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/Forum18/HTML/013874.html Apparently this guy trademarked the words "LOOPER" and "LOOOPER". Not sure it has anything to with Looper's Delight, or even looping for that matter, but I thought it was rather interesting. Also found it kind of interesting that it's looping as in effects loops, not as in audio loopers, aka Jamman, EDP, etc. Of coure, that's what I thought it was, some home grown looper. The idea of something being called "LOOPER" and not being an audio looping device never crossed my mind. Heh. Guess I was wrong. Anyway, I recently got back on the list after having been off for about a year. I'd forgetten how much of a cool place this is. Thanks for keeping it going Kim and whoever else is involved. It's really appreciated. Ben Porter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 12:00:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04498; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:47:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:47:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:44:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Space Station From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/31/02 4:17 AM, dcoffin@taunton.com at dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: > > Since I use mine only for reversing the signal, I have it placed first in > line (then a compressor, then a 3-way switch splitting into different > multi-fx/preamps--GT-5 and 6 and DG-Stomp). I don't notice any difference > in basic tone when the SS pedal is down, doing its thing. > David > > > << > I have a space station on its way via Ebay (they do come up quite often) I > would like a bit of advice from you SS users where you would stick one in > the signal chain.>> > I put mine in my 2120's effects loop after a Korg AX30, but soon I'm planning on trying it somewhere in my Repeater's effect's loop. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 12:27:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07028; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:14:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:14:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:11:35 -0800 Subject: SF gig alert at ATA on Valencia and 21st with screening of OTNEMEM by Jason Kocol From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6-laB.A.yoB.vqXW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gang, my ragtag trio will be playing Friday FEBRUARY 8th at 8pm at ATA 992 Valenica@21st before a screening of OTNEMEM by Jason Kocol. It's the movie Memento edited so it plays forwards! FUN! Much looping will ensue. Stop bye and say hello. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 12:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07770; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:24:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:24:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:12:09 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:49 AM -0500 1/31/02, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: >I have a Vortex, and I haven't found those "midpoints" where >morphing algorithms should be providing otherwise unthinkable >results all that remarkable...perhaps I've given up too quickly, but >the things I've heard aren't obviously different from crossfading or >even very striking--they're kinda mushy. I suppose it depends a lot on what the two effects are. Does Vortex allow direct control of the morphing transition (with a pedal perhaps)? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 13:06:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09715; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:52:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:52:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c1aa7f$e783af20$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:51:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yup! weee! korg wavedrum electrix repeater t.c m-one alesis air one lexicon vortex electrix filter factory electrix mofx behringer fcb1010 it's rather absurd, actually. but i'm almost to the point where i'm going to try taking this gig out, open mics or busking or something. been taking me a while to figure out how i want the connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got with some useful banks. lately i've just been using the m-one and air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been just lovely. the more crap i try to plug in, the more hassle it is to use it, i've found. although i think i'll have to squeeze the vortex in there somewhere. for asynchronous looping, if nothing else. i REALLY like midi snych between the m-one and repeater. num. i've also been thinking it might be fun to get another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a low/high pitched pair of tablas or something. scary. help! mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Barnard" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: Percussive Loopers > Hi, > > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either acoustic or > electronic drums/percussion? > > Here's my set-up: > > 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) > Alesis DM-Pro > Repeater > Behringer FCB1010 > > Alan > _________________________ > Alan Barnard > BarnarDesign > http://www.barnardesign.com > alan@barnardesign.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 13:14:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11454; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:02:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:02:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:58:13 EST Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >Does Vortex allow direct control of the morphing transition (with a >pedal perhaps)? yes. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 13:40:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13186; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:22:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:22:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <64.19bb7a8e.298ae473@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:18:27 EST Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what exactly does the vortex do, sound-wise? > > jim 2 delays of one second and various modulators (flange/chorus/trem) Configurable in a number of different preset ways. then you can have any pair of Vortex sounds, and "morph" between then (not crossfade, but gradual change of all settings) great for odd textures, extreme FX ( although also capable of subtle stuff) has to be heard really go to Lexicon Vortex Database for examples. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 13:46:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14048; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:34:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:34:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c1aa84$5137c920$e5d91f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <20020131074107.48880.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3C5956BC.A1BCAE19@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1AA81.738E6720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 13:47:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14235; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:36:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:36:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:32:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 18:32:11.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[98D3E380:01C1AA85] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious to know where vortex users position their unit.. Pre or Post Looping device? Mixer send, amp effects loop etc etc.. Cheers Lou >From: Hedewa7@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Unlimited budget (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, >etc.?) >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:58:13 EST > >zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > > >Does Vortex allow direct control of the morphing transition (with a > >pedal perhaps)? >yes. >dt / splattercell > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 14:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17339; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:01:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:09:02 -0600 Message-ID: <003801c1aa93$22d4cb50$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: <003701c1aa7f$e783af20$6445230a@melon> Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). I do have a fairly nice array though: v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS7000 K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX & DJX IIB, Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Killer & Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DBX SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer, Ashley 8 channel line mixer, Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2) Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor, & Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. I still want a Wave Drum though...... From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > yup! weee! > > korg wavedrum > electrix repeater > t.c m-one > alesis air one > lexicon vortex > electrix filter factory > electrix mofx > behringer fcb1010 > > it's rather absurd, actually. but i'm almost to the point where > i'm going to try taking this gig out, open mics or busking or > something. been taking me a while to figure out how i want the > connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got with > some useful banks. lately i've just been using the m-one and > air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been just > lovely. the more crap i try to plug in, the more hassle it is > to use it, i've found. although i think i'll have to squeeze > the vortex in there somewhere. for asynchronous looping, if > nothing else. i REALLY like midi snych between the m-one and > repeater. num. i've also been thinking it might be fun to get > another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a low/high > pitched pair of tablas or something. scary. help! > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Barnard" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM > Subject: Percussive Loopers > > > > Hi, > > > > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either > acoustic or > > electronic drums/percussion? > > > > Here's my set-up: > > > > 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) > > Alesis DM-Pro > > Repeater > > Behringer FCB1010 > > > > Alan > > _________________________ > > Alan Barnard > > BarnarDesign > > http://www.barnardesign.com > > alan@barnardesign.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 14:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18510; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:11:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:11:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:08:00 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/31/2002 02:08:05 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <92vCtC.A.GbE.VYZW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool demos...interest in my Vortex much renewed...thanx, Andy <Lexicon Vortex Database for examples.>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 14:24:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19017; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:15:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:15:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003801c1aa93$22d4cb50$1f64a8c0@billscomp> References: <003701c1aa7f$e783af20$6445230a@melon> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:12:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). > >I do have a fairly nice array though: >v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS7000 >K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX & >DJX IIB, >Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Killer >& Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, >Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DBX >SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon >MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter >PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer, >Ashley 8 channel line mixer, >Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2) >Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A >Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. > >What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and >Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works >Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor, >& Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my >Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. > >I still want a Wave Drum though...... > Good Gawd! Are you sure that wasn't meant to be under the "Unlimited budget" thread? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 14:24:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19606; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:19:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:19:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:56:13 -0500 Subject: more Lexicon Vortex From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <64.19bb7a8e.298ae473@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone know if the vortex uses the same power supply as the other rack stuff of that era (jamman. reflex, alex...) thanks. monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 14:24:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20013; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:22:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:22:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:17:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 19:17:57.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD66E6C0:01C1AA8B] Resent-Message-ID: <1xxV7D.A.vvE.DiZW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great stuff on site thanks for sharing cheers LOU >From: dcoffin@taunton.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:08:00 -0500 > > >Cool demos...interest in my Vortex much renewed...thanx, Andy > ><Lexicon Vortex > >Database >for examples.>> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 14:26:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20504; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:25:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:25:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more Lexicon Vortex Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:23:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 19:23:51.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[D07115E0:01C1AA8C] Resent-Message-ID: <2Q1fS.A.78E.mnZW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com correct. those lexicon wall warts >From: mr monk >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: more Lexicon Vortex >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:56:13 -0500 > >does anyone know if the vortex uses the same power supply as the other rack >stuff of that era (jamman. reflex, alex...) > > >thanks. > > > >monk > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 15:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24998; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:25:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:25:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c1aa95$486f5770$ee1d0a0a@alanb2000> From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:24:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I knew this would bring a few wildmen out of the woodwork... "a fairly nice array" might qualify as a slight understatement. ;-] For the past three years I've been standing up, playing the Zendrum/Alesis predominately in the role of a kit drummer, ala/Futureman. Only recently (thanks to the Repeater) digging deeper into looping/textures/ambient. Originally tried a DL4 with disappointing results. Now that I have the Repeater I'm stoked! Looking forward to purchasing the 256mb CFC ASAP. Alan ___________________________ Bill Cummings said: yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). I do have a fairly nice array though: v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS7000 K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX & DJX IIB, Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Killer & Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DBX SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer, Ashley 8 channel line mixer, Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2) Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor, & Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. I still want a Wave Drum though...... From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > yup! weee! > > korg wavedrum > electrix repeater > t.c m-one > alesis air one > lexicon vortex > electrix filter factory > electrix mofx > behringer fcb1010 > > it's rather absurd, actually. but i'm almost to the point where > i'm going to try taking this gig out, open mics or busking or > something. been taking me a while to figure out how i want the > connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got with > some useful banks. lately i've just been using the m-one and > air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been just > lovely. the more crap i try to plug in, the more hassle it is > to use it, i've found. although i think i'll have to squeeze > the vortex in there somewhere. for asynchronous looping, if > nothing else. i REALLY like midi snych between the m-one and > repeater. num. i've also been thinking it might be fun to get > another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a low/high > pitched pair of tablas or something. scary. help! > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Barnard" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM > Subject: Percussive Loopers > > > > Hi, > > > > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either > acoustic or > > electronic drums/percussion? > > > > Here's my set-up: > > > > 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) > > Alesis DM-Pro > > Repeater > > Behringer FCB1010 > > > > Alan > > _________________________ > > Alan Barnard > > BarnarDesign > > http://www.barnardesign.com > > alan@barnardesign.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 15:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27030; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:53:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:53:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C59BDC8.570BD23@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:57:28 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more Lexicon Vortex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my vortex and reflex power supplies both have the same specs... -jas Albuquerque mr monk wrote: > does anyone know if the vortex uses the same power supply as the other rack > stuff of that era (jamman. reflex, alex...) > > thanks. > > monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 16:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29286; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:12:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:12:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:23:15 -0600 Message-ID: <007301c1aaa5$e0fc9560$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: "William Mcallister" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: <15410-3C59A35C-2271@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use it on rare occassions. It's great for strange sounds, and was definitely worth the $499. I paid on the blow-out deal, but if it was me today, I'd buy a copy of Native Instruments REAKTOR instead for about the same money. It's da bomb ! Also, many many people on the FIZMO list have had problems with the synth, something to do with bad power supplies. You might want to check the archives on Yahoo-groups. I've had no problems, and do occassionally enjoy tweaking the Fiz. It's definitely a different beast. As far as hardware synths go, I'd recommend the Kawai K5000 before the Fiz, which is probably about the same $. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: "Bill Cummings" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > Do you use the fizmo? Do you like it? I remember they had blowout sale > at guitar center for like $499.00. I have a freind who wants to sell > his. Dont know how versatile it is. I like weird sounds also, The Nord > series has caught my eye lately. Thanks, Bill/Las Vegas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 16:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31028; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:27:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C59C5F1.B4E0A18C@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:32:18 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <63I59.A.0iH.yabW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With the Repeater you can do both! Usually I loop the results of the Vortex mangling, but on occasion I mangle the loop with the Vortex. -jas Albuquerque Louis Rossi wrote: > I'm curious to know where vortex users position their unit.. > Pre or Post Looping device? Mixer send, amp effects loop etc etc.. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 17:03:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01699; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:58:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:58:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:02:06 -0800 Subject: OT: Racking again (was Re: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated.) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C587A8C.7B670256@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_hl0r.A.HZ.s3bW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How heavy is the SKB mini-gig? I'm trying to figure out how to make my equipment reasonably portable in a more or less protected fashion. Here are my needs: I've got about 10 rack spaces worth of equipment that I'm using -- probably headed for 11 or 12. Most of it is reasonable shallow with a couple of annoying exceptions. I'm configuring it all through a Mackie 1642. What I've got right now is a 6 space rack crate (essentially a milk crate in construction) sitting on top of a 12-space Anvil rack on casters. I actually have almost nothing in the Anvil because I've found it to be really annoying having controls down by my feet. My MoFX is sitting on a couple of bars on my A-frame keyboard stand so that it's easy to get to from my Handsonic. The Mackie is also on the keyboard stand. Issues that I'd like to resolve: * The rack crate is fine at home, but I probably should be cautious about taking it anywhere. * I don't have anything for packing up the Mackie. * Whatever I go with, I need a reasonable way to make the controls on most of the rack items and on the mixer accessible while seated. * I want equipment that I can move without killing my back or having a heightened risk of dropping due to weight. If I got a mini-gig could I leave the mixer fully connected to the items in the rack? Would the unit be reasonably portable when loaded? Are there recommendations for what I could set it on to get it situated at a reasonable height? The other option I've been considering (based on suggestions from the list) is a could smaller racks sitting on amp stands so that they tilt back for better visibility. I'd have to come up with something on which to put the mixer, however. Perhaps a good table that could also hold picks, E-Bow, etc.? If I go the amp stand route, does anyone have specific recommendations? Do I need to worry about having something with a wide enough back bar so that it actually extends over the width of the rack unit? On a related note, are the rack mount power conditioners worth the extra money relative to what I can pick up at Office Depot for use with computers? Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 17:29:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05027; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:28:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:28:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.143] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <3C59C5F1.B4E0A18C@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:35:56 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 22:27:38.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D01FD60:01C1AAA6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tend to place mine in the fx loop of my Repeater. Great for dark drones eg. going from the original to the treated drone for subtle variation. Sweet :-) Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ ----- Original Message ----- > > Louis Rossi wrote: > > > I'm curious to know where vortex users position their unit.. > > Pre or Post Looping device? Mixer send, amp effects loop etc etc.. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 17:35:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05718; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:34:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:34:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c1aaa7$b12225b0$4a0a230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3C59C5F1.B4E0A18C@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've patched the efects sends/returns into a mixer and select which effects i feed from there. weee! mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ritchie" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) > I tend to place mine in the fx loop of my Repeater. Great for dark drones > eg. going from the original to the treated drone for subtle variation. > Sweet :-) > Ritchie > ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > http://ninja.at/play > ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Louis Rossi wrote: > > > > > I'm curious to know where vortex users position their unit.. > > > Pre or Post Looping device? Mixer send, amp effects loop etc etc.. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 17:37:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06147; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:36:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:36:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c1aaa7$b7745780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <3C59C5F1.B4E0A18C@cabq.gov> Subject: Vortex Repair Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:36:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I ordered a replacement pot for the parameters on my Vortex- I tried to replace one before without success- I'm decent with soldering skills but this was difficult- it looked perfect but was not working- I'd like to try it again on this new one- any suggestions or tips for the procedure appreciated. Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 17:46:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07194; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:45:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:45:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c1aaa8$158d6460$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Racking, definitely ON-TOPIC!! Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:38:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for years i have worked with separate racks/mixer systems. this all ended last year, after i saw ambient/texturalist Klaus Schulze's infamous "Quasimidi Wall" as he calls it. i realised long ago that i was spending too long setting up, as it takes me 20 minutes to get ready for a gig with my Hammond rig and 1-3 hours to get ready for an electro gig! i believe that a live-performance rack must be at sight/hand level, not necessarily at an angle, just tall enough you don't need to bend over to look at stuff. my rig is here: http://www.suitandtieguy.com/gallery_010502.htm in several of the pictures. i have 2 10-space rack areas with space in the middle for my mixer, which i didn't use because the way i mounted it originally was too ghetto for public consumption. it's a frame about 57 inches wide and about 20 inches tall or so. when i get to the gig i put it on a _very_ heavy duty keyboard stand. for Mark Hamburg i would suggest maybe a 24-space side-by-side rack, which is two 12-space racks in the same enclosure. AND the table. tables are great things to have as an electronic musician. i need to build a new rack ... i'm thinking a frame 15 spaces high by 3 rack units wide. i'm getting a second Z1, so i want to get the drum machines up on the rack. yeah it's gonna be ridiculous. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 18:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12213; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:32:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:32:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c1aa7d$55f33280$03f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Racking again (was Re: biz's signal path was Re: SpaceStation - long, and complicated.) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:32:56 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark- since you say your anvil is basically empty, i could take it off your hands...for the right price... seriously, if anybody has a 12+ anvil (calzone, etc.) shockmount rack case their looking to get rid of, please let me know. sorry to beg on the list...please forgive. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 18:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12503; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:34:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:34:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C59D491.D0FB1CAE@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:34:41 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: armatronix @ frog & peach pub this friday 02-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Hans Lindauer Apparently-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi- just a quick note to let you know that armatronix is playing this friday, february 2nd at the frog and peach pub in downtown san luis obispo, california. this is our first gig at the frog and peach, and we need all the support we can muster. please come out if you can, and bring a friend along if you have one. no cover charge, 21 and over only please. -hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 20:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23085; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:11:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:11:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:50:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Vortex Repair From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c1aaa7$b7745780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have the same problem and i think i'm just going to buy anothe one... it's cheaper than sending it to lexicon, i think.... but do let me know if you have any luck... on 1/31/02 5:36 PM, Clifford@BienAppraisers at res0koq3@verizon.net wrote: > I ordered a replacement pot for the parameters on my Vortex- I tried to > replace one before without success- I'm decent with soldering skills but > this was difficult- it looked perfect but was not working- I'd like to try > it again on this new one- any suggestions or tips for the procedure > appreciated. > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 20:28:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24261; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1aac0$28a92120$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Vortex Repair Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:31:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Buy another one what? I'll let you know what happens- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr monk" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Vortex Repair > i have the same problem and i think i'm just going to buy anothe one... it's > cheaper than sending it to lexicon, i think.... but do let me know if you > have any luck... > > > > > on 1/31/02 5:36 PM, Clifford@BienAppraisers at res0koq3@verizon.net wrote: > > > I ordered a replacement pot for the parameters on my Vortex- I tried to > > replace one before without success- I'm decent with soldering skills but > > this was difficult- it looked perfect but was not working- I'd like to try > > it again on this new one- any suggestions or tips for the procedure > > appreciated. > > > > Cliff > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 20:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24818; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:32:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:32:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:34:25 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Vortex Repair To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004501c1aac0$957b19c0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3C59C5F1.B4E0A18C@cabq.gov> <001101c1aaa7$b7745780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Cliff, I did the same thing... installed the rotary encoder myself and still didn't work. So I sent it off to Lexicon for their flat-rate repair of (I believe) $95. Worked great from then on. The invoice showed that they cut a trace and jumpered something as well as replacing both encoders. -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Vortex Repair > I ordered a replacement pot for the parameters on my Vortex- I tried to > replace one before without success- I'm decent with soldering skills but > this was difficult- it looked perfect but was not working- I'd like to try > it again on this new one- any suggestions or tips for the procedure > appreciated. > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 20:45:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27185; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:44:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:44:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:54:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02013120545700.01606@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Louis Rossi wrote: > I'm curious to know where vortex users position their unit.. > Pre or Post Looping device? Mixer send, amp effects loop etc etc.. > > Cheers > Lou > My guitar has two sets of pickups, so these two chains are running in parallel: Guitar (magnetic pickups) -> Compressor -> Distortion -> Vortex -> Boomerang -> Mixer -> Amp Guitar (piezo pickups) -> Compressor -> Vortex -> Mixer -> Amp The benefit to putting the looper (essentially) last is that I can loop affected sounds, then lay down sounds affected in entirely different ways on top. Granted it'd be nice to have some post-loop processing capabilities, but if I can only pick one, it'd have to be pre-loop. I really wish the Boomerang was stereo or that I could somehow link two together. My loops really miss the bright clean sound from the piezos, but the mags give me more sonic possibilities so they get looped. I guess it'll soon be time to graduate to and EDP or Repeater. ~~Todd~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 21:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30320; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:12:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:12:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c1a933$453c71e0$79095cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Playlist for January 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:09:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for January, 2002. Shows #250 to #253; 3-January-2002 to 24-January-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Amir Baghiri - Time - ARYA Cyber Zen Sound Engine and Matt Borghi - The Intercepter Transmissions - N-Light-N Geodesium - Fourth Universe - Loch Ness John Lakveet - Sequentiagite - Vagern M. Grassow & J. Cole - The Hollow - Arya M. Grassow & K. Wiese - Mercurius - Arya Ma Ja Le and James Johnson - Seed - Hypnos Mathias Grassow - Namakar - Arya Mathias Grassow - Prophecy - Arya Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton - The Most Distant Point Known - Hypnos The Ministry of Inside Things - Live on EMUSIC - Synkronos Orbital Decay - Drastic Park - none Orbital Decay - Re-Entry - none OZMA - A Huge and Silent Place - Atomic City Richard Bone - Tales from the Incantina - Indium Robert Carty - Gateway - Deep Sky Steve Roach - Collection 1 - Timeroom T-Bass UK - The Fabulous Neutrinos - Infectionmusic Various Artists - Beyond Me - Neu Harmony Various Artists - Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 - Spheric Music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 21:25:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30807; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:19:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:19:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:12:25 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) In-reply-to: <02013120545700.01606@localhost.localdomain> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <02013120545700.01606@localhost.localdomain> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:54 PM -0500 1/31/02, Todd Pafford wrote: >My guitar has two sets of pickups, so these two chains are running in >parallel: > >Guitar (magnetic pickups) -> Compressor -> Distortion -> Vortex -> Boomerang >-> Mixer -> Amp > >Guitar (piezo pickups) -> Compressor -> Vortex -> Mixer -> Amp What's the guitar? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 22:01:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02754; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:00:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:00:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20020131215653.009f51e0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:00:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: Vortex Repair In-Reply-To: <004501c1aac0$957b19c0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> References: <3C59C5F1.B4E0A18C@cabq.gov> <001101c1aaa7$b7745780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >work. So I sent it off to Lexicon for their flat-rate repair of (I believe) >$95. Worked great from then on. The invoice showed that they cut a trace and The flat-rate of $95 for Lex repairs no longer applies to the Vortex and Jamman. Here's an e-mail i sent to the list a while back explaining the new policy: >Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:43:43 -0400 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: p koniuto >Subject: Re: Jam Man Repairs > > >Hi Doc: > >You asked: > >>My JamMan is stubbornly refusing to go into Echo mode. Does Lexicon still >>repair these, and, if not, who does? > >Repair for the JamMan (and the Vortex) used to be >a flat repair rate for $95 US. This is sadly no >longer the case. > >Since they're now considered "Legacy" products (i.e. >it's been more than five years since manufacturing >of the JM and Vortex ceased), they are repaired on >an estimate basis. > >It'll cost $75 US for them to do the estimate. If you >choose to have the work done, they apply that $75 >to the cost of the repair. I had my JamMan repaired >(rotary encoders replaced, etc.). The estimate was >somewhere around $140, but the repair ended up being >closer to $115. > >I was having the same problem you are having. > >Turnaround time was around 3 weeks or so. Hope that helps, peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 22:14:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03494; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:13:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:13:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:18:39 -0600 Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3095356720_36352590_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3095356720_36352590_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit BILL.... IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE DEFINITELY DONE YOUR SHARE TO KEEP THE ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE SOLVENT...I COMMEND YOU HEARTILY! GEAR HOUNDS UNITE!!!!! WAVEDRUM HUH??/ I SOLD MINE LAST MARCH TO SOMEONE ON THE LIST...A FAIR PRICE I THOUGHT....UNTIL TALKING WITH WILL CALHOUN AND HEARING THAT IN JAPAN THEY ARE GOING FOR AS MUCH AS $5000 -$6000 U.S....GOOD LUCK!!!!! I GOT RID OF IT AFTER A FEW YEARS OF HEARING PRODUCERS SAY "WHAT ELSE YA GOT?"....WHEN I SAW WILL PLAYING IT AT THE INDIGENOUS PLANET PERCUSSION CAMP, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS......OH-OH I THINK I F____ED UP! EVERYONE SEEMS TO ACCEPT THE HANDSONIC I USE THESE DAYS AS WELL AS MY ZENDRUMS MUCH MORE READILY ..........I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PHOTO OF YOUR SETUP SOMETIME...TR... P.S. WEAR A BACK BRACE AND KEEP YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE CURRENT... AND ALLAN...WELCOME TO THE LIST From: "Bill Cummings" Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:09:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). I do have a fairly nice array though: v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS7000 K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX & DJX IIB, Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Killer & Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DBX SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer, Ashley 8 channel line mixer, Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2) Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor, & Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. I still want a Wave Drum though...... From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > yup! weee! > > korg wavedrum > electrix repeater > t.c m-one > alesis air one > lexicon vortex > electrix filter factory > electrix mofx > behringer fcb1010 > > it's rather absurd, actually. but i'm almost to the point where > i'm going to try taking this gig out, open mics or busking or > something. been taking me a while to figure out how i want the > connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got with > some useful banks. lately i've just been using the m-one and > air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been just > lovely. the more crap i try to plug in, the more hassle it is > to use it, i've found. although i think i'll have to squeeze > the vortex in there somewhere. for asynchronous looping, if > nothing else. i REALLY like midi snych between the m-one and > repeater. num. i've also been thinking it might be fun to get > another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a low/high > pitched pair of tablas or something. scary. help! > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Barnard" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM > Subject: Percussive Loopers > > > > Hi, > > > > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either > acoustic or > > electronic drums/percussion? > > > > Here's my set-up: > > > > 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) > > Alesis DM-Pro > > Repeater > > Behringer FCB1010 > > > > Alan > > _________________________ > > Alan Barnard > > BarnarDesign > > http://www.barnardesign.com > > alan@barnardesign.com > > > > > --MS_Mac_OE_3095356720_36352590_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Percussive Loopers BILL.... IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE DEFINITELY DONE YOUR S= HARE TO KEEP THE ELECTRONICS  INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE SOLVENT...I COMMEND Y= OU HEARTILY! GEAR HOUNDS UNITE!!!!!

    WAVEDRUM HUH??/ I SOLD MINE LAST MARCH TO SOMEONE ON THE LIST...A FAIR PRIC= E I THOUGHT....UNTIL TALKING WITH WILL CALHOUN AND HEARING THAT IN JAPAN THE= Y ARE GOING FOR AS MUCH AS $5000 -$6000 U.S....GOOD LUCK!!!!! I GOT RID OF I= T AFTER A FEW YEARS OF HEARING PRODUCERS SAY "WHAT ELSE YA GOT?"..= ..WHEN I SAW WILL PLAYING IT AT THE INDIGENOUS PLANET PERCUSSION CAMP, MY FI= RST THOUGHT WAS......OH-OH I THINK I F____ED UP!  

    EVERYONE SEEMS TO ACCEPT THE HANDSONIC I USE THESE DAYS AS WELL AS MY ZENDR= UMS MUCH MORE READILY ..........I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PHOTO OF YOUR SETUP SO= METIME...TR...

    P.S. WEAR A BACK BRACE AND KEEP YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE CURRENT...

    AND ALLAN...WELCOME TO THE LIST


    From: "Bill Cummings" <bi= llcumm@sprynet.com>
    Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:09:02 -0600
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers

    yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available).<= BR>
    I do have a fairly nice array though:
    v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS700= 0
    K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX &= amp;
    DJX IIB,
    Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Kille= r
    & Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX,
    Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DB= X
    SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon=
    MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter
    PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer= ,
    Ashley 8 channel line mixer,
    Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2)<= BR> Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A
    Powered 15  Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware.<= BR>
    What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and
    Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works
    Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor= ,
    & Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or m= y
    Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff.

    I still want a Wave Drum though......

    From: "Michael LaMeyer" <m.lameyer@ve= rizon.net>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:51 AM
    Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers


    > yup!  weee!
    >
    > korg wavedrum
    > electrix repeater
    > t.c m-one
    > alesis air one
    > lexicon vortex
    > electrix filter factory
    > electrix mofx
    > behringer fcb1010
    >
    > it's rather absurd, actually.  but i'm almost to the point where<= BR> > i'm going to try taking this gig out, open mics or busking or
    > something. been taking me a while to figure out how i want the
    > connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got with
    > some useful banks.  lately i've just been using the m-one and
    > air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been just
    > lovely.  the more crap i try to plug in, the more hassle it is > to use it, i've found.  although i think i'll have to squeeze
    > the vortex in there somewhere.  for asynchronous looping, if
    > nothing else.  i REALLY like midi snych between the m-one and
    > repeater.  num.  i've also been thinking it might be fun to = get
    > another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a low/high
    > pitched pair of tablas or something.  scary.  help!
    >
    > mike
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Alan Barnard" <alan@barna= rdesign.com>
    > To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
    > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM
    > Subject: Percussive Loopers
    >
    >
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either
    > acoustic or
    > > electronic drums/percussion?
    > >
    > > Here's my set-up:
    > >
    > > 2/Zendrums  ( http://www.zendrum.co= m )
    > > Alesis DM-Pro
    > > Repeater
    > > Behringer FCB1010
    > >
    > > Alan
    > > _________________________
    > > Alan Barnard
    > > BarnarDesign
    > > http://www.barnardesign.com
    > > alan@barnardesign.com
    > >
    > >
    >

     --MS_Mac_OE_3095356720_36352590_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 23:49:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11164; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:48:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:48:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.139] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:47:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 04:47:37.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[92AA5240:01C1AADB] Resent-Message-ID: <_hJXAD.A.utC.M4hW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either acoustic or >electronic drums/percussion? I was for a while, with my Handsonic and Line 6 DL-4 pedal. The variety of sounds built into the thing and the controllers (D-Beam, ribbons, etc) allowed for a very wide variety of sounds. I eventually sold my Handsonic to a friend, who I gather has put it to good use. I just bought a $50 LP Museum Series Udu drum last weekend and have been playing it almost to the exclusion of my other instruments. Maybe this means I'm going to make another try at being a percussionist (was a guitarist in a former life). I still have my DL-4, so if I ever get a mic... If I get a Handsonic again, I'd probably skip the Roland stand for it and go with either a snare stand or use a rubber mounting ring like the one used by Brian Melick on his instructional video. And I'd probably want to use an external MIDI sound source for the tuned sounds. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 23:59:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13035; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:58:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:58:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:01:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Racking, definitely ON-TOPIC!! From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c1aaa8$158d6460$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/31/02 2:38 PM, Eric Williamson at erwill@suitandtieguy.com wrote: > i believe that a live-performance rack must be at sight/hand level, not > necessarily at an angle, just tall enough you don't need to bend over to look > at > stuff. my rig is here: http://www.suitandtieguy.com/gallery_010502.htm in > several of the pictures. i have 2 10-space rack areas with space in the middle > for my mixer, which i didn't use because the way i mounted it originally was > too > ghetto for public consumption. it's a frame about 57 inches wide and about 20 > inches tall or so. when i get to the gig i put it on a _very_ heavy duty > keyboard stand. > > for Mark Hamburg i would suggest maybe a 24-space side-by-side rack, which is > two 12-space racks in the same enclosure. AND the table. tables are great > things > to have as an electronic musician. Did you buy or build the side-by-side rack? Do you have recommendations on a keyboard stand/table? Thanks. Mark