From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11933; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:57:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:57:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:45:29 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ******$350.00*******NEW NE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C313EE9.9BE71B13@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------5AE6EF2062141B2519728DE3 X-Accept-Language: en References: <4c.4442223.29624f39@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------5AE6EF2062141B2519728DE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad you asked that. I establish an 'A' and 'B' part on one unit and then put other more random sounds on the other unit: washes, sweeps, arpeggios, etc. I can then fly in those sounds while the first unit is playing. Also, I can do a quick little run on the second unit and play in harmony with it later. As far as getting one loop away from the other, that holds some possibilities also. I can run a loop on unit one, then do an identical part on the second one, a shade longer than the first and let them both rip. They sync up and drift apart and sync up again, etc. etc. etc. Mike Killian KkstrtChby@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/2001 5:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, > kili@swbell.net writes: > I'm only curious, do you use both at the same time? > > If so how do you keep the two loops from getting away from each other? > > Thanks, > Gregory Bruce Campbell > www.kickstartchubby.com --------------5AE6EF2062141B2519728DE3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad you asked that.  I establish an 'A' and 'B' part on one unit and then put other more random sounds on the other unit: washes, sweeps, arpeggios, etc.  I can then fly in those sounds while the first unit is playing.  Also, I can do a quick little run on the second unit and play in harmony with it later. As far as getting one loop away from the other, that holds some possibilities also.  I can run a loop on unit one, then do an  identical part on the second one, a shade longer than the first and let them both rip. They sync up and drift apart and sync up again, etc. etc. etc.

Mike Killian

KkstrtChby@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 12/31/2001 5:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, kili@swbell.net writes:
I'm only curious, do you use both at the same time?

If so how do you keep the two loops from getting away from each other?

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com

--------------5AE6EF2062141B2519728DE3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:32:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13394; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:03:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:03:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.16de083d.29629abf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:53:19 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4d.16de083d.29629abf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4d.16de083d.29629abf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/01 12:31:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes: > I feel that the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who > purchase one at home with looping and never try displaying their talents... > is this why they didnt like me!.....you must have liked the rang a "little" to go to all the trouble to rewrite the ad.....i think this is a good price for the rang and also i think that it transends the level of "toy", i view mine as part of my instrument, simple as it is, i still learn something new with it all the time, even after several years.....but thats me, im a ludite.....:)m --part1_4d.16de083d.29629abf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/01 12:31:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes:


I feel that the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home with looping and never try displaying their talents...


is this why they didnt like me!.....you must have liked the rang a "little" to go to all the trouble to rewrite the ad.....i think this is a good price for the rang and also i think that it transends the level of "toy", i view mine as part of my instrument, simple as it is, i still learn something new with it all the time, even after several years.....but thats me, im a ludite.....:)m
--part1_4d.16de083d.29629abf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:45:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13998; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:16:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:16:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <190.90e941.29629e37@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:08:07 EST Subject: Re: making field recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_190.90e941.29629e37_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_190.90e941.29629e37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, maverickmary@yahoo.com writes: > I'm curious to know if any of you make field > recordings. mary jane.....the CT-PROJECT just came out with "LOCATIONS VOLUME ONE", a wonderful cd.....hopefully soon it will be available as mp3s at www.loopxchange.com, i cant speak to the "hard-copy" as yet.....the CT-PROJECT consists of many members of LOOPERS DELIGHT and LOCATIONS may be an ongoing project.....please come join us and be heard.....free memberships through out all of 2002 (love how that looks).....:)m --part1_190.90e941.29629e37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, maverickmary@yahoo.com writes:


I'm curious to know if any of you make field
recordings.


mary jane.....the CT-PROJECT just came out with "LOCATIONS VOLUME ONE", a wonderful cd.....hopefully soon it will be available as mp3s at www.loopxchange.com, i cant speak to the "hard-copy" as yet.....the CT-PROJECT consists of many members of LOOPERS DELIGHT and LOCATIONS may be an ongoing project.....please come join us and be heard.....free memberships through out all of 2002 (love how that looks).....:)m
--part1_190.90e941.29629e37_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 02:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18300; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:06:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:06:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: not8ohm@iinet.net.au Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:04:14 +0800 Message-Id: <200201010704.PAA30640@webmail2.iinet.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: webmail2.iinet.net.au: web set sender to not8ohm@iinet.net.au using -f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: maverickmary@yahoo.com Reply-To: not8ohm@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: making field recordings X-Mailer: iiNet WebMail v2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi I found these links somewhere. It could very well have been from this list! Anyway, the top one is quite helpful I found, the second I found interesting in terms of a bigger picture view of field recording and the others are potential suppliers of microphones. http://www.quietamerican.org/index.html http://interact.uoregon.edu/MediaLit/WFAE/home/index.html http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi? category=110&item=SP-BMC-3&type=store http://www.stealthmicrophones.com/lcmics.html Hope this helps. Happy 2002 Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 04:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24210; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 04:25:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 04:25:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: Subject: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:16:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1935D.696123E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1935D.696123E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's upgrades for the POD things, a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! I just wish it had an adjustable fade! and more time. But i suppose for twice the money,=20 there's the repeater. =20 So why am i typing this! ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1935D.696123E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's upgrades for the POD things,
a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4!
I just wish it had an adjustable fade!
and more time.
But i suppose for twice the money,
there's the repeater.  
 
So why am i typing this!
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1935D.696123E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27314; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:47:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.182.24.45] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reccommended midi controller for Electrix Repeater Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:38:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2002 10:38:34.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[768D5DC0:01C192B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a dual >expression pedal midi controller. Also where to get the best price on an I am looking into same - it seems to me that Behringer makes something very nice and user-friendly for less than half the price Roland or Yamaha care to charge for. Musician's Friend, $129.99. Nic _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:32:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27910; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:04:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:04:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.182.24.45] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: virtual silence Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:55:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2002 10:55:48.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEC0DD20:01C192B2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps the most difficult audience response to endeavor might be silence; and I'm sure that for some pieces of music, it might be the single most desirable environment for its success. It struck me recently (and in retrospect) that perhaps I am occasionally employing looping to achieve a type of virtual or surrogate silence - while not having the means or authority (personally or musically) to simply command the real thing (i.e. not being a Peter Gabriel of sorts who can just ask his 10k+ audience for "silence please while I construct this here soundscape", as I once witnessed). I realized this as I audited some recent live recordings of my band of a song in which the looping is not really that prominent or even important, but seems to just be able to draw sufficient attention to cause some degree of directed attention and associated relative silence. Does anyone purposely and consciously utilize ambient looping solely for the purpose of, and subservient to, the "framing" of the object piece? Nic _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 07:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29564; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:49:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:49:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <181.1958609.2962fa48@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:40:56 EST Subject: crayons or paint? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_181.1958609.2962fa48_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_181.1958609.2962fa48_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, I just talked a ton of S--t about some gear that may hold dear to others ... and out of it I feel that people were eager to educate me rather that argue like idiots... I slammed the boomerang, and it was handled like everyone chose to pull me up to speed to why they do dig it! I still don't change my mind about my original complaint... I wasn't initially trying to complain that the boomerang is worthless (but i did get carried away)... I was complaining that the person flat out said it was the best! (and its not) obviously with all the intelligent replies you surely must agree on some level that their really is no "best" We are ALL artists ... what is better crayons or paint? But I do want to say I am very proud to be a part of such an intelligent humane community... Looping apparently brings a certain level of individuals together, and I think its really cool! And I respect all of you who choose to use the boomerang! And especially the individuals who took the time to reply to my comments... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_181.1958609.2962fa48_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, I just talked a ton of S--t about some gear that may hold dear to others ... and out of it I feel that people were eager to educate me rather that argue like idiots... I slammed the boomerang, and it was handled like everyone chose to pull me up to speed to why they do dig it! I still don't change my mind about my original complaint... I wasn't initially trying to complain that the boomerang is worthless (but i did get carried away)... I was complaining that the person flat out said it was the best! (and its not) obviously with all the intelligent replies you surely must agree on some level that their really is no "best"

We are ALL artists ... what is better crayons or paint?

But I do want to say I am very proud to be a part of such an intelligent humane community...

Looping apparently brings a certain level of individuals together, and I think its really cool!

And I respect all of you who choose to use the boomerang! And especially the individuals who took the time to reply to my comments...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
--part1_181.1958609.2962fa48_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 10:41:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03299; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 07:04:56 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: making field recordings In-Reply-To: <200201011217.HAA30221@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Sony MZ-R37 (sounds fine, dreadful interface--small buttons spread out over the entire case) MD recorder and the Sony ECM-MS907 stereo condenser mic, about which I have no complaints. TH In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, maverickmary@yahoo.com writes: >I'm curious to know if any of you make field >recordings. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 12:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06922; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:32:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:32:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020101111542.00a730c0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:20:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: making field recordings In-Reply-To: References: <200201011217.HAA30221@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8J1nnB.A.NmB.zKeM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:04 PM 1/1/02 +0000, TH wrote: > Sony MZ-R37 (sounds fine, dreadful interface--small buttons spread >out over the entire case) I'll second that! It's also really hard to read the LCD in real-world lighting. The buttons are so awkward that I don't even attempt editing on it; I do that on a home deck with large buttons and a legible display. It DOES sound good though... -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 12:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07853; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:54:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c192e4$011c1160$f5b84e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:47:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: >I kind of disagree about not giving the audience a bit of an idea of what >you're doing. You don't have to pontificate about it, or go into minutia, >but a tad of explanation can be good. You rarely see a painting or >photograph that doesn't describe the medium a bit. Why not music? Usually, >it's self explanatory, a guy is playing an electric guitar through an amp. >Sax into a PA, Vocal, etc. But when you're doing something that's not >evident, I think people like a little heads up. Of course, all this is *in >addition to a good performance of interesting music*, not instead of. I >think a little explanation before your performance is nice, and can build a >rapport with your audience. I've only had good experiences while doing it. I agree with Mark, who brings up some excellent points: 1) it's helpful to give an audience some guidance to unfamiliar territory 2) a few words, not an entire lecture 3) the explanation doesn't substitute for a mediocre performance My primary musical focus is the classical music of North India. Since most audiences are unfamiliar with this tradition and its conventions and expectations, I always begin with a short explanation of the music itself, sometimes giving concrete examples such as the scale or rhythmic pattern which will be used, or some of the predominant melodic motives which will be heard repeatedly. I tend to be on the talkative side, so I consciously try to keep the explanation to a minimum. That is, I'll describe the melody, rhythm, movement, and mood or associations of the raga that the audience is about to hear, as opposed to giving a long boring technical/theoretical history of the musical system itself. BTW, I do the same when performing for Indian audiences who may be more familiar with vocal music than with instrumental. Many listeners have told me that they really appreciate being given some pointers of what to listen for in the music, and that it has helped shed some light on what otherwise would have been an unknown entity. My teacher told me years ago that the music should speak for itself, but that a few words might be in order to help elucidate unfamiliar aspects. She also gave me really great advice: the concert platform is NOT a classroom; never talk down to an audience; and that if giving a verbal introduction, not to confuse the audience with technical terms (either Indian or Western). Mark's third point is perhaps the most important of all -- that the music itself should be well-played and interesting, and that any introduction or explanation should heighten its appreciation, rather than serve as an apology for it. Personally, I've found the "say a few words about the music" approach to be very useful and to help connect with listeners. Of course, everyone has their own style and manner of presentation, and we've all certainly been moved tremendously many times simply by the power of music, whether or not there was any spoken introduction. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 13:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13001; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:26:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020101122940.00a78150@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 13:13:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms In-Reply-To: <006b01c192e4$011c1160$f5b84e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-PnDYC.A.W_C.x0fM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding the points brought up by Max, dt, Frank Gerace, James Pokorny, et al, I don't think there's one answer to the "performance explanation/narration" question that would apply in all situations. James used his specialty (Indian Classical music) for his example, and it's certainly true that there's a certain amount of verbal communication that's standard; acknowledgement of one's teachers, description of the alap, time signature, what raga is being used, historical background, etc. is *expected* by the audience at such a performance, and enhances the experience. But OTOH (and argumentum absurdum), I would find it odd for a blues musician to preface a tune by saying "In this piece, the lyrical exposition 'I woke up this mornin', all my shrimp was dead and gone" will be reprised once and then brought to resolution with the statement 'I was thinking about you, baby, why you hear me weep and moan', during which time I'll be playing a I-IV-V progression in the key of A on a 1952 Harmony acoustic guitar (holds up guitar) that's been fitted with a pickup (points to pickup) which will be amplified through a 1960 Sears Silvertone amplifier (spotlight shines on amp)." I find that when I include a Theremin in my setup, there're usually two or three people who come up to me afterwards and ask me about it, but I don't feel the need to explain heterodyne theory during the performance. It all comes down to what a performer is comfortable with, and to the style of his/her presentation. I don't think the performance would suffer should the player fail to point out the pedal that's responsible for the illusion of a second guitarist, but if the player *did* choose to offer a bit of technical explanation, it could certainly be done in an interesting, informative way that wouldn't be construed as a lecture. As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, looping devices are not as uncommon a sight on stages these days as they once were, and audiences aren't too baffled to enjoy themselves without a precise explanation. -t- (Lyrical extract from Robert Johnson's 'Dead Shrimp Blues'...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:26:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15278; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:58:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:58:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c192f5$85d29da0$3c114ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: gig spam - Steve Lawson, full list... Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:52:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is about as close to a full list as I'm going to get - if you want more details about the ones that are TBC, please e-mail dan@threshingfloor.com - Dan is the man who knows... hope to see lots of you on the tour - there'll be tonnes of loopaliciousness, and 7th Jan, 8pm @ The Knitting Factory, 7021 Hollywood Blvd, LA CA 90028 http://www.knittingfactory.com tel:323-463-0204 Solo gig at this legendary Hollywood venue - tickets 7. 8th Jan, 7pm @ Instrumental Music, Thousand Oaks, CA, 91360 contact John Vanselow - tel:805-496-3774 Clinic/performance for Ashdown Amplification. 10th Jan, 7pm @ Instrumental Music, 3328 State Street, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105 contact Jamie Falletti - tel:805-569-5055 Clinic/performance for Ashdown Amplification. 11th Jan @ Center for the Arts, 314 West Main Street, Grass Valley, CA 95945 also featuring Mike Roe, from the rather wonderful 77s and The Lost Dogs. TBC - e-mail dan@threshingfloor.com for details and confirmation. 12th Jan @ Lakeside Church, 745 Oak Avenue Parkway, Folsom, CA also featuring Mike Roe, from the rather wonderful 77s and The Lost Dogs. 13th Jan in Santa Cruz, CA TBC, also featuring Rick Walker's Loop.pooL and Orbis - email for details and confirmation. 14th Jan 7.30pm @ Espresso Garden & Caf, 814 S. Bascom Ave, San Jose, CA 95128 contact Judy Hacket - (408) 298-0808 http://www.espresso-garden.com Solo gig, with Rick Walker's Loop.pooL at a gorgeous intimate venue in San Jose - see their website for more details. 16th Jan - Possible solo bass extravaganza in LA!! email dan@threshingfloor.com for more info, or keep an eye on the gig diary page on my website... 17-20th Jan @ NAMM 2002, Anaheim Conference Center, CA Back as usual for the NAMM show, playing for Ashdown, Modulus and maybe a few others. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:34:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16027; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:06:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:06:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <145.7310139.2963609a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:57:30 EST Subject: Re: crayons or paint? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_145.7310139.2963609a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_145.7310139.2963609a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 6:42:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes: > you surely must agree on some level that their really is no "best" > very true.....but more (loopers) is "better".....:)m --part1_145.7310139.2963609a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 6:42:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes:


you surely must agree on some level that their really is no "best"


very true.....but more (loopers) is "better".....:)m
--part1_145.7310139.2963609a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17061; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:20:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <123.977bc3a.296363a9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:10:33 EST Subject: Re: gig spam - Steve Lawson, full list... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.977bc3a.296363a9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_123.977bc3a.296363a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 1:51:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > LA CA hey steve.....there's more to america than just cali.....bring you loopiness to the east, in fact arn't we closer to home?.....:)m --part1_123.977bc3a.296363a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 1:51:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


LA CA


hey steve.....there's more to america than just cali.....bring you loopiness to the east, in fact arn't we closer to home?.....:)m
--part1_123.977bc3a.296363a9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18388; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:34:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:34:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Event EZ Bus? Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:23:59 -0600 Message-ID: <008301c192f9$dd0f3d40$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020101122940.00a78150@pop.metrocast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone here tried the Event EZ Bus as a solution for matrix routing between all the looping and effects devices? It seems that it could be a nice centerpiece for a live looping rig. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 16:28:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22964; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:00:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:00:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017201c19306$72f17c40$3c114ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3C30D57C.A269BFD9@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:31:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>> >Torn, who uses a much more elaborate approach, both in terms of the > >amount of gear > huh? i use a 5-space rack, and a buncha pedals! >>>In comparison to someone like Mr. Lawson (the bloke by which said comparison was brandished), that IS much more elaborate, in my reckoning. (I think his usual setup is a Jamman, DL4, and a Lexicon processor into one 1x10 combo amp... correct me here if need be, Steve).<<< ...That's about it, though that sounds like a rather small set up put like that - I need more stuff!!! Think it's about time I get an Echo-pro and a Echoplex - I've got space in my rack for two more thingies, and don't really need any more processing that I've already got with the MPX-G2, but as the old adage goes 'you can never have too many loop boxes'.. or something... so my rack is only a 4 space (2 of them empty, now that I've taken out the Interstellar Overdrive, due to an imbalance in the heaviness/laziness ratio), and I use one pedal (DL4), but do have a couple of controllers - Lexicon thingie that comes with the G2, and a JamMan two button one as well... When my DL4 was working properly, I used to use it to split the signal, running the JamMan completely wet, with a Volume pedal after it, so I could loop onto the JamMan and then fade it in and out in relation to the DL4 and the looping that I sometimes do in the MPX (won't be using that one as much on the CA tour, as I won't have a foot controller for the G2 (unless someone in LA fancies lending me their for a couple of weeks.... :o) Happy New Year Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk - tour details here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 18:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27261; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:29:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:29:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:09:53 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Message-ID: <20020101160953.A2523@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <123.96c11c5.2961d886@aol.com> <3C30D57C.A269BFD9@altruistmusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C30D57C.A269BFD9@altruistmusic.com>; from altruist@altruistmusic.com on Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 01:15:39PM -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I may add my own few worms to the can... I've been pondering these sorts of questions for quite some time, as I've been very interested (and involved) in the role of improvisation and spontaneous music making in electronica - specifically *danceable* electronica. The work I've done with looping extends from my work in free improvisation, where it has never been as important to align the audience with familiar patterns or sounds (nor is it considered a goal). The migration into a more tangible listening experience for a wider audience proves to be difficult because they are expecting very specific parts of the sound with which they can relate. I've found it very challenging to move into a dance-music aligned mode of improvisation, and I depend a great deal on looping as an element of the sound. So much so that it characterizes the sound and feel - and indeed, the overall pacing - of what I do, which has come to be quite downtempo and minimal in feel (regardless of tempo) and very developmental due to these constraints. The issue I've been struggling with at times is when the line between live performer and DJ becomes blurry and treacherous. Indeed, there have been more than just a handful of times when folks really enjoying my live sets haven't been within eye-shot of me and thought it was a really good downtempo/IDM-ish DJ set (and in some cases, believe it's me DJ'ing - which I do - and not performing live). So, that brings to a point exactly what people have been discussing here: even though I'm doing the sorts of things that are seldom experienced in a dance music setting (#1, live electronica, #2 *improvised* electronica), it may not be that people realize it's even live music, much less anything non-canned or even just non-sequenced. The difference seems mostly to do with the venue and the setting. When folks come to a gallery opening or a live show that will feature Craque doing live music, they know to expect something that may or may not be a continuous mix of music, but that will definitely be live, electro-acoustic, improvisational and experimental. But when I do a live set at a club or a party, people are just expecting to hear good dance music, regardless of how it's created - though hopefully they will see that it's live and appreciate it all that much more. The challenge in both these cases is to provide something that is both interesting to the ear and challenging to the musical mind, but that still grooves. I find the same challenges DJ'ing, and I definitely believe that we underestimate the audience's ability to be exposed to new sounds. matt (aka Craque) http://craque.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 18:41:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28990; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:59:55 EST Subject: GIGGING as a looper questions... To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e4.20637cb5.2963996b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e4.20637cb5.2963996b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am curious to hear from all you loopers who gig with your looping talents... I want to know the average set length and how many sets per performance you do? I am aware that this will and can vary... I am personally looking forward to non-rehersed improvisation on my bass with my EDPs... usually solo but occasionally adding drums/electronic drums / and or percussion ... and possibly an occasional vocalist. I live in Montana so the music scene is tough to get clubs to even hire live music (especially original) let alone something so far from the usual country singer on a stool... I am trying, and want to assess what and how looping gigs have worked in the past for all of you from the business side of getting the shows in the first place. And then what and how to serve once you've got the gig... So to summarize my question... How long do your gigs usually last? What time of day? what do you try to charge? How much do you usually actually make? etc... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_e4.20637cb5.2963996b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am curious to hear from all you loopers who gig with your looping talents...

I want to know the average set length and how many sets per performance you do?

I am aware that this will and can vary...

I am personally looking forward to non-rehersed improvisation on my bass with my EDPs... usually solo but occasionally adding drums/electronic drums / and or percussion ... and possibly an occasional vocalist.

I live in Montana so the music scene is tough to get clubs to even hire live music (especially original) let alone something so far from the usual country singer on a stool...

I am trying, and want to assess what and how looping gigs have worked in the past for all of you from the business side of getting the shows in the first place. And then what and how to serve once you've got the gig...

So to summarize my question... How long do your gigs usually last? What time of day? what do you try to charge? How much do you usually actually make? etc...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
--part1_e4.20637cb5.2963996b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 19:26:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30874; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:57:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C324A7C.2340D5BF@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:47:08 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GIGGING as a looper questions... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Greg, > How long do your gigs usually last? What time of day? > what do you try to charge? How much do you usually actually make? etc... I think you'll find it very difficult to get generalized answers to any of these questions, the main reason being that looping isn't really a "genre" per se. There are a few sonic and (occasionally) stylistic traits that crop up fairly commonly, but I think it's a mistake to assume that everyone's going to have the same basic answers to the questions posed above just because they share some common tools. Example: I played a gig back in June with fellow list members Steve Lawson and Ric Hordinski. All three sets were very different stylistically; in fact, all three sets could probably be filed in different genres or record store aisles, even though there were certainly some common sonic threads running throughout. And I'm sure all three of us would have very different answers to all of the questions you posed. The best advice I can offer would be to try and think in terms of whatever music you're playing, ASIDE from the fact that it's looped. It's sort of like saying, "What time of day do Chapman Stick players usually book their gigs at," or "How much do people who play Klein guitars make per gig," or "How long does a DJ spin records for," you know? Dealing with the music on its own terms, aside from the mechanics involved, will probably answer most if not all of those questions... and it also might free up some ideas about how you approach it in strictly musical terms as well. Hope this helps, and good luck. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 19:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32347; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c19320$f3d8e900$7687abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <008301c192f9$dd0f3d40$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: Event EZ Bus? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:03:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried a demo a few weeks ago. It was a thing I put a lot of hope on, because it could be mixer (with scenes) and midi controller in one: the looper's dream. (I had not checked its recording power as audio pc interface). I was a little disappointed enough to verify I couldn't reproduce my mixing setting (6 auxes and 2 groups). So, I wait for the next one. Btw, it seems Behringer (...) is about to release a digital mixer (www.ddx3216.com) that seems to be way more deep than the event (if you are not interested in audio to pc) my best luca www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: Event EZ Bus? > Has anyone here tried the Event EZ Bus as a solution for matrix routing > between all the looping and effects devices? It seems that it could be > a nice centerpiece for a live looping rig. > > Thanks, > Steve > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:12:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07097; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:44:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:44:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <13c.7117f7c.2963cb23@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:32:03 EST Subject: Re: GIGGING as a looper questions... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/1/2002 4:01:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes: << I want to know the average set length and how many sets per performance you do? >> Somewhat related but perhaps not...I remember hearing Elvin Jones talk about a gig he played with John Coltrane in Philadelphia where they played the opening number for 3 hours to an audience that dwindled a little during the duration of the tune. My understanding is that Coltrane once told Miles Davis he found it hard to stop playing sometimes and what could he do about that issue. Miles' reply was "Take the horn out of your mouth". Helpful advice for looping?.....mmmmight be. bryan helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 23:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10234; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Silence in Looping Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:40:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <13c.7117f7c.2963cb23@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Coltrane once told Miles Davis he found it hard to stop playing sometimes and what could he do about that issue. Miles' reply was "Take the horn out of your mouth". Helpful advice for looping?.....mmmmight be. bryan helm (Loopbozo@aol.com) This is so cute! And great advice--I searched the Web and found it at http://ilovejazz.tripod.com/jazz/johncoltrane.html Also at http://www.rarevinyl.net/m_davis.htm as "I just get carried away, I get these ideas which just keep coming and coming and sometimes I just can't stop". Miles laconically replied; "Try taking the motherfucker out of yo' mouth". I do find it difficult sometimes to know where I am in a loop if I turn it down too much . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 23:21:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10576; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:52:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:52:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.142] From: "Ritchie" To: Subject: Repeater- universal power and feedback?? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:14:58 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 03:44:08.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBD648D0:01C1933F] Resent-Message-ID: <27p1IB.A.tcC.nIoM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I'm in Australia and I'm thinking of buying the Repeater from the US due to the price being better than over here. Is the power supply an issue? It says universal but the physical plugs would have to be different. eg. US | | AUS / \ And one thing that I'm curious about (which I couldn't find browsing thru the archives) is: if I'm using Loop 1 for instance with a large feedback time; when I change to Loop 2, does Loop 1 die instantly or does the feedback continue once Loop 2 comences? Or can you choose between the two options? Thanks for any help, RItchie ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: http://hacked.at/facehacker http://www.mp3.com/rdomain ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 01:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19797; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:21:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.182.24.177] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater- universal power and feedback?? Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:12:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 06:12:38.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A4FF180:01C19354] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ritchie, >I'm in Australia and I'm thinking of buying the Repeater from the US due to >the price being better than over here. Is the power supply an issue? It >says universal but the physical plugs would have to be different. eg. US | >| AUS / The physical plug would be your only - and minor - concern. The manual states suitability (electrically) for 100V - 240V and 47 - 63Hz. The transformer unit has AC-side cable of the detachable type, so easily replaced for the local flavor. >And one thing that I'm curious about (which I couldn't find browsing thru >the archives) is: >if I'm using Loop 1 for instance with a large feedback time; when I change >to Loop 2, does Loop 1 die instantly or does the feedback continue once >Loop >2 comences? Or can you choose between the two options? Switching between two loops (as Repeater defines them) has immediate effect - all operations on the first loop are abandoned upon switching, and you start with a clean slate on loop #2. Loop #1 does remain intact for later (immediate) recall and further use. However, it's also a multi-track device, not sure if that's where you're headed - you can switch tracks within the same loop. Feedback/overdub on the new track would commence while the other track still runs along without modification. Sorry if I perhaps misunderstood - hope this helps. I have had this device for a few days and I'm loving it. Nic >Thanks for any help, >RItchie >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: >http://hacked.at/facehacker >http://www.mp3.com/rdomain >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 03:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30407; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:36:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:36:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.236.134.25] From: "blue wolf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Finding Local looping performances Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:28:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 08:28:06.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[6756F070:01C19367] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi All,

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances happening useing looping techonology?

Thanks

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 06:15:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12573; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:52:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:52:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:43:02 +0000 Subject: Behold, loopers from the East, bearing glad tidings... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>hey steve.....there's more to america than just cali.....bring you loopiness to the east, in fact arn't we closer to home?.....:)m <<< I'm hoping to do an east coast tour later this year - need to see how this one goes, and if my promoter guy (who is fantastic, BTW) is up for doing something bigger, and whether Ashdown/Modulus/some loop company will get behind it... the California thing is just that being out there for NAMM makes it all much cheaper, and having Geniuses like Rick Walker offer to help out with promotion, and even better, play with me, makes it all far too tempting... :o) and BTW, that's 'loopaliciousness' to you, sir!! LOL Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 07:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21061; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:05:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:05:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c19385$672cb080$7deb43d4@q8s0h6> From: "free audio production" To: Subject: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:00:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1938D.7B69FD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1938D.7B69FD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please help me : i want to loop live with the electrix repeater - there are 3 switches on = the digitech fs300 footswitch - is that enough controll for live-looping = ? or is there a better footswitch to use ? or should i get an echoplex with its bigger = footswitch ? thanx !! ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1938D.7B69FD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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i want to loop live with the electrix = repeater -=20 there are 3 switches on the digitech fs300 footswitch - is that enough = controll=20 for live-looping ? or is there a better
footswitch to use ? or should i = get an=20 echoplex with its bigger footswitch ?
thanx !!
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1938D.7B69FD20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 09:09:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32163; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:45:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:45:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:36:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004801c19385$672cb080$7deb43d4@q8s0h6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I would recommend the Behringer FCB1010 for use with the Repeater. It can send controller messages as well as program changes. It also has 2 expression pedals which can be set to control the output volume on the 1/2 & 3/4 stereo pairs - very nice. 5/PCs, 2/CCs, Note ON (for tap tempo) and the expression pedals can all be stacked in each preset. Musician's Friend has them for $129.95. Alan _________________________ Alan Barnard BarnarDesign http://www.barnardesign.com alan@barnardesign.com -----Original Message----- From: free audio production [mailto:audiolink@gmx.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? please help me : i want to loop live with the electrix repeater - there are 3 switches on the digitech fs300 footswitch - is that enough controll for live-looping ? or is there a better footswitch to use ? or should i get an echoplex with its bigger footswitch ? thanx !! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 09:49:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05655; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:23:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:15:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Here's what I did on New Years . . . From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112271940.OAA14702@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092807717_286063_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092807717_286063_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey guys -- Wanted to share a really wonderful New Years experience I had that involved live looping. I went up to a ritual gathering in Vermont (as part of the community), and brought all my gear with me. Announced early on (it was a 3-day affair) that I brought some live ambient electronic music gear with me and was looking forward to providing a live soundtrack for the weekend as it developed. People were appreciative and curious. I set the gear up in a warehouse-type room where the New Years party (complete with sound system and djs) was going to be. People were in that room setting up the space for the party and just hanging out over all three days, and I just played when I felt like it. Really cool -- had never done that before. I particularly liked hanging out with people, talking, being physical (it was a rather affectionate community), enjoying that experience, then getting up and playing a bit. Also played when people were drawing a big veve on the ground (ritual chalk drawing to create a sacred space). One of the challenges was when I started playing and people would pick up drums to play along (these are VERY non-professional drummers). My looping tends to be very rhythmically precise and intricate, and my first reaction was to be really bummed. But in this context I didn not want to ask anyone to stop anything they were doing, so I just went with it. I was actually helped a lot in this by the comment of Aki Onda, a composer who happened to be around. When I told him about this problem, he said with a big smile, "Oh, you're in one rhythm, they're in another -- great!" I don't know that i'd adapt this approach for a concert, but for the weekend it worked fine. New Year's eve was interesting. The plan was for me to start the evening doing some drony electro-raga stuff, into some ambient stuff, then turn it over to the djs. But it didn't work out like that. One of the djs just started playing. Of course, people started dancing so there was no way I could interrupt with a drone. But I still wanted to play. So I waited to a moment when her set seemed to peak, and told her I wanted to play. She turned it over to me -- and one of those damned drummers started! :) Well, it was magical. I started a drone, let the drummers carry the rhythm and started playing and singing over them. Eventually, I did loop a really obvious 4/4 rhythm over them that they could more or less follow. People started dancing in a circle, and really got into it for a long time -- I added processed vocals (improvised lyrics on the theme of the weekend) and it was really great. Much broader strokes musically than I would do in a solo set, but it was so great to be part of a living event. Being flexible really made this possible (and knowing my gear) -- I didn't insist on "playing all my shit" for everybody -- in fact, I'd say I played a very very limited range of my music over the weekend -- but it worked! Some thoughts on all this in re recent discussions: I did not explain anything I was doing. To my mind, instruments and loopers are just tools to an end, and my end in this case was to create music that would be an integral part of a community. A few people came up to me afterwards and believe me, I went on and on and on about my gear -- but found it much more magical to just get up and play. (a few people came up when I was playing and said, "are you playing all this yourself?" -- they were delighted). I was nervous about playing opposite djs. I have a certain sound I can make with my stuff, and they have infinite cds to choose from. But I found people were really excited to have live music that was being improvised in the moment to go with the flow of the crowd. The fact that I was playing and singing in the moment seemed to make up for the fact that my sound wasn't as slick as a produced dance cd. And it's funny -- you never know what's going to work. At one point, one of the djs wanted to put on guy lombardo's Auld Lang Syne. So I looped some vinyl noise to segue into that. They had a technical problem and couldn't get the turntable working, so to fill the space I sang the song over loop in a Milton Nascimento Brasilian falsetto style -- all the while feeling, basically, "what on earth am I doing?" -- and people later told me it was one of the most moving parts of the evening. Anyhow, sorry for the long post but I hope this is of some stimulation -- --MS_Mac_OE_3092807717_286063_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Here's what I did on New Years . . . Hey guys --
Wanted to share a really wonderful New Years experience I had that involved= live looping.
I went up to a ritual gathering in Vermont (as part of the community), and = brought all my gear with me.  Announced early on (it was a 3-day affair= ) that I brought some live ambient electronic music gear with me and was loo= king forward to providing a live soundtrack for the weekend as it developed.=  People were appreciative and curious.
I set the gear up in a warehouse-type room where the New Years party (compl= ete with sound system and djs) was going to be.  People were in that ro= om setting up the space for the party and just hanging out over all three da= ys, and I just played when I felt like it.  Really cool -- had never do= ne that before.  I particularly liked hanging out with people, talking,= being physical (it was a rather affectionate community), enjoying that expe= rience, then getting up and playing a bit.  
Also played when people were drawing a big veve on the ground (ritual chalk= drawing to create a sacred space).
One of the challenges was when I started playing and people would pick up d= rums to play along (these are VERY non-professional drummers).  My loop= ing tends to be very rhythmically precise and intricate, and my first reacti= on was to be really bummed.  But in this context I didn not want to ask= anyone to stop anything they were doing, so I just went with it.  I wa= s actually helped a lot in this by the comment of Aki Onda, a composer who h= appened to be around.  When I told him about this problem, he said with= a big smile, "Oh, you're in one rhythm, they're in another -- great!&q= uot;  I don't know that i'd adapt this approach for a concert, but for = the weekend it worked fine.  
New Year's eve was interesting.  The plan was for me to start the even= ing doing some drony electro-raga stuff, into some ambient stuff, then turn = it over to the djs.  But it didn't work out like that.  One of the= djs just started playing.  Of course, people started dancing so there = was no way I could interrupt with a drone.  But I still wanted to play.=  So I waited to a moment when her set seemed to peak, and told her I w= anted to play.  She turned it over to me -- and one of those damned dru= mmers started!  :)  
Well, it was magical.  I started a drone, let the drummers carry the r= hythm and started playing and singing over them.  Eventually, I did loo= p a really obvious 4/4 rhythm over them that they could more or less follow.=  People started dancing in a circle, and really got into it for a long= time -- I added processed vocals (improvised lyrics on the theme of the wee= kend) and it was really great.  Much broader strokes musically than I w= ould do in a solo set, but it was so great to be part of a living event. &nb= sp;Being flexible really made this possible (and knowing my gear) -- I didn'= t insist on "playing all my shit" for everybody -- in fact, I'd sa= y I played a very very limited range of my music over the weekend -- but it = worked!
Some thoughts on all this in re recent discussions:
I did not explain anything I was doing.  To my mind, instruments and l= oopers are just tools to an end, and my end in this case was to create music= that would be an integral part of a community.  A few people came up t= o me afterwards and believe me, I went on and on and on about my gear -- but= found it much more magical to just get up and play.  (a few people cam= e up when I was playing and said, "are you playing all this yourself?&q= uot; -- they were delighted).
I was nervous about playing opposite djs.  I have a certain sound I ca= n make with my stuff, and they have infinite cds to choose from.  But I= found people were really excited to have live music that was being improvis= ed in the moment to go with the flow of the crowd.  The fact that I was= playing and singing in the moment seemed to make up for the fact that my so= und wasn't as slick as a produced dance cd.
And it's funny -- you never know what's going to work.  At one point, = one of the djs wanted to put on guy lombardo's Auld Lang Syne.   S= o I looped some vinyl noise to segue into that.  They had a technical p= roblem and couldn't get the turntable working, so to fill the space I sang t= he song over loop in a Milton Nascimento Brasilian falsetto style -- all the= while feeling, basically, "what on earth am I doing?" -- and peop= le later told me it was one of the most moving parts of the evening.
Anyhow, sorry for the long post but I hope this is of some stimulation --
--MS_Mac_OE_3092807717_286063_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 10:16:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09032; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:53:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:53:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Event EZ Bus? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:44:13 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c1939b$f293c8f0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001501c19320$f3d8e900$7687abd4@giow2000> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luca, The Behringer unit looks interesting and apparently it has been released and is selling for approx. $1599. (@ 8thstreet music). It seems a bit much since both the Tascam and Yamaha digital mixers are less ... I know they don't have as many XLR connectors but they do have built in ADAT/TDIF which is another $300 option on the Behringer unit. BTW, what do you mean 6 auxes and 2 groups? Thanks, steve > > I tried a demo a few weeks ago. > It was a thing I put a lot of hope on, because it could be mixer (with > scenes) and midi controller in one: the looper's dream. (I > had not checked its recording power as audio pc interface). I > was a little disappointed enough to verify I couldn't > reproduce my mixing setting (6 auxes and 2 groups). So, I > wait for the next one. Btw, it seems Behringer (...) is about > to release a digital mixer > (www.ddx3216.com) that seems to be way more deep than the > event (if you are not interested in audio to pc) > > my best > luca > www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: Event EZ Bus? > Has anyone here tried the Event EZ Bus as a solution for matrix > routing between all the looping and effects devices? It seems that it > could be a nice centerpiece for a live looping rig. > > Thanks, > Steve > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 10:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12729; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: making field recordings Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:10:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been pretty happy with some recordings I did with my Portable Minidisc player and a SONY stereo condenser mic (sorry can't remember the model). I used it three years ago to do some field recordings of the Harp Seal herd off the coast of Prince Edward Island. It held up surprisingly well considering the arctic conditions (-40 F out on the frozen ocean), the display was not reliable at that temp, but the recordings came out fine. I probably could have used a wind shield of some sort, but listening back now, I like the sound of the wind. I also managed to get a fairly interesting recording of helicopter blades starting up in stereo from right below them. If money were not an object, I would like to have a Binaural mic set up and a DAT player. Question: Can you make a Binaural mic set up easily? Is it significantly more complicated than sticking condenser mics into the ears of a dummy head? Carl Jacobson Director of Marketing Communications -----Original Message----- From: Mary Jane Adams [mailto:maverickmary@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:06 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: making field recordings Hi, I'm curious to know if any of you make field recordings. What kind of portable/remote equipment do you use? Special mikes? Suggested techniques? Helpful books or web sites for more info? Thanks! Mary Jane (ps: posted this question to the ambient@hyperreal list also, so pardon if you get this twice.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 11:31:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18292; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:08:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:08:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <13c.7117f7c.2963cb23@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:58:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Silence in Looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Coltrane once told Miles Davis he found it hard to stop playing sometimes >and what could he do about that issue. Miles' reply was "Take the >horn out of your mouth". Helpful advice for looping?.....mmmmight be. >bryan helm (Loopbozo@aol.com) > What?!? Do you have any idea how difficult it was to get the Repeater into my mouth in the first place? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 12:10:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20943; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:43:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:35:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092805309_105065_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092805309_105065_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/2/02 12:28 AM, blue wolf at blueman9@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances happening useing looping techonology? Thanks Blue Wolf Oddly enough, though there are a lot of Loopers in the Bay area, it seems like loop shows are fairly infrequent. I think we're too busy trying to make enough money to pay our insanely high rent to find the time. Probably that, and a hostile venue situation. I probably shouldn't gripe to much, as I've not tried too hard to play live. I'm having success just working in my home studio and putting up mp3s on the internet. A lot less gear moving. Actually, that's a big part of why I don't try and play out a lot. My gear has become too complex and it's a hassle to move. Anyone else have this problem? (I'm sure you do!) What I've done to help it to have a "lite" rig. Guitar, Korg AX30G, Digitech Space Station, JamMan, Amp. I've taken it to a friend's studio and it seemed to work well, though I did miss my Repeater and other gear. As Steven Wright said, "Can't have everything. Where would you put it?" Mark Sottilaro Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here --MS_Mac_OE_3092805309_105065_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Finding Local looping performances on 1/2/02 12:28 AM, blue wolf at blueman9@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi All,

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances = happening useing looping techonology?

Thanks

Blue Wolf

Oddly enough, though there are a lot of Loopers in the Bay area, it seems l= ike loop shows are fairly infrequent.  I think we're too busy trying to= make enough money to pay our insanely high rent to find the time.  Pro= bably that, and a hostile venue situation.  I probably shouldn't gripe = to much, as I've not tried too hard to play live.  I'm having success j= ust working in my home studio and putting up mp3s on the internet.  A l= ot less gear moving.  Actually, that's a big part of why I don't try an= d play out a lot.  My gear has become too complex and it's a hassle to = move.  Anyone else have this problem? (I'm sure you do!)  What I'v= e done to help it to have a "lite" rig.  Guitar, Korg AX30G, = Digitech Space Station, JamMan, Amp.  I've taken it to a friend's studi= o and it seemed to work well, though I did miss my Repeater and other gear. =  As Steven Wright said, "Can't have everything.  Where would = you put it?"

Mark Sottilaro


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--MS_Mac_OE_3092805309_105065_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 12:52:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25507; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:28:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:28:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.43.87] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GIGGING as a looper questions... Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:18:09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 17:18:09.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[735FB0B0:01C193B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am curious to hear from all you loopers who gig with your looping >talents... Well, I consider myself pretty fortunate as I actually make a living doing solo bass/looping shows. Of course, I need to supplement that, sometimes meager, amount with sessions, side-man gigs, teaching etc. but, nonetheless, 100% of my income is generated thru music. I am not starving, I own my on house...so I think I am doing pretty well. One thing about doing this (the solo/looping shows)...you cannot be lazy about things. I find that when I slip, and let things slide abit, well, everything suffers. This is much more demanding than working for someone else. The thing about "doing it all yourself" is that you really MUST do it all yourself. You need to be entrepeneurial. Often times creating gigs, which may or may not pay (and then, may only pay very little) just to get some exposure on the chance it could blossom into something a little more financially rewarding. I get gigs everywhere I can...coffee shops, bars, art galleries, restaurants even local crafts fairs and such. Being versatlie, stylistically, helps, as does have a range of "accessible" music, in addition to some more challenging stuff (ambient, "soundscapes" etc. always work well in art galleries). I have done commissions for dance troupes. I have rec'd both teaching and Artist In Residence grants which provide me with both outlets and resources for shows. It is a lot of work, and I suppose a bit of luck, making this all work. And you are bound to run into some walls. >I live in Montana so the music scene is tough to get clubs to even hire >live >music (especially original) especially, methinks, in Montana. But, I don't live in an area of Calif. which is especially a cultural Mecca...so it can be done. JUst go and create your "market" and create the neccessity of your gigs. >I want to know the average set length and how many sets per performance you >do? geez...this varies alot. From 30min to hours long/multi set shows >I am personally looking forward to non-rehersed improvisation on my bass >with >my EDPs... usually solo but occasionally adding drums/electronic drums / >and >or percussion ... and possibly an occasional vocalist. Sounds great...Good luck...just go for it. Chances are where you are not too many people have been exposed to this kind of thing, but that does not neccessarily mean they won't be recpetive to it. Just do it! Even if you have to do one or two shows for free... As for the $$....I began working VERY cheaply. From free shows to doing it just for tips at restaurants and coffee houses (which is very good practice, btw). Now I can, sometimes, make what a band might pull for a show...or sometimes even more! Avg. about $200 for a 45min-1hour set, but I have been lucky enough to make $1000 for a 30min set! (altho not very often, there). You have to gauge things according to the draw, the market, and what a venue/client might be willing to pay. And remember when you first start doing this, nobody knows you...so don't expect much! If you are truely driven to do it...then great! Good luck...make it happen, find other like-minded musicians to share a bill...create a gig (or two or three or more).... ...and let us know how it is working out. Hope this helps a bit.... Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:05:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26272; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:40:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:40:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:30:15 EST Subject: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA25608 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just to show some evidence of fairness and that I am just as likely to deflate my own party balloon as blow it up. I thought it might be instructive to share a recent negative review my CD has gotten. I've passed along a few of the positive ones from time to time (as I have been pretty darned pleased to get them) and thought I'd distribute this one as well. It's really quite funny in it's own way. And besides, even bad publicity is still publicity -- or so they say. Anyway, I have a question for everybody at the bottom of all of this (should you get there). I'm also including a "translation" of another review I got from a publication in Lithuania a while back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'd sound like Ted Killian. Despite the lofty philosophical statement that graces the sleeve of Flux Aeterna (adorned with mathematical symbols, natch), this is an album that wants only to stand in front of an amp stack and wail, albeit in a slightly mechanical, dystopian way. The tunes on this disc are all vaguely soundtrackesque. For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a disintegrating future, of some kind of technological breakdown is communicated in these tunes so successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't a piece of film that goes with them. "Leaving Medford" is an edgy, angry piece of work, leaving no doubt in the listener's mind that the future's fucked, and Ted's here with his newscasting guitar to tell you all about it. "Cauterant Baptism", on the other hand, uses the depressive tone to rock out: it begins with some loose space-cowboy noodling, then turns into a late-Bowie toned behemoth, with a stomping bassline and searing guitar that threaten to rip off your ears. Not as truly astringent as other guitar-wielding noiseniks, Killian seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside his world-o'-shred. While this makes you crave more spark in his playing --occasionally, it can sound more like he's practicing for the real deal more than experiencing it -- it's satisfying to have something to hold on to amid the sonic excursions. The propensity for albums like Flux Aeterna to devolve into nothing more than shredwank isn't entirely sidestepped here -- there are a couple of moments when one imagines that Ted's giving Steve Vai a run for his gurning-while-fretboard- whizzing money -- but thankfully, these instances of cringe aren't too long-lived when they occur. The weakness with ambient/experimental guitar tunes is that they can fall into the "Hey! I've played that in my bedroom before!" trap. Whether this is a welcome familiarity in the world of anonymous rock, or merely annoying when you've forked over money for the disc, is a personal call, but let's just say that if it's the latter, you might want to give this disc a miss. That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good ideas here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself digging out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin. Luke Martin, http://www.splendidezine.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- A few months ago I got a review from a Lithuanian print magazine called "Tango" and asked the list if anybody new a translator. Well, I finally got a translation on my own from an online outfit. I am still not sure the translation is quite right because it sounds so darned academic, but here goes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Linas, Tango Magazine, Lithuania, October, 2001 I did not manage to find any additional information on this musician, so material received previously from pfMENTUM is the only context in which it is possible to present this musician and his new work. pfMENTUM is a small record label based in California and specializing in modern experimental and extemporaneous music. Tango has reviewed records of this firm before. From the small amount of given works, it is possible to make conclusions and suppose that this work, “Flux Aeterna,” fits into a frame of aesthetics introduced by this publisher on other occasions. Like the previous records, it is issued in unique and unusual packing (even in a box), like the musical concepts it contains, along with the cryptic motto: "Change equals hope. Hope equals change." It's obvious, that Ted Killian is a musician who has grown and matured under the influence of the school of effects (guitar of the seventies and eighties) especially from the peripheral aesthetic point of view of repetitive minimalism, plus an extensive musical heritage -- without which musical (not only guitars) thinking and interpretation would be impossible -- in electro/acoustic music and urbanized blues. But, such a generalized set of references certainly doesn't explain anything to us. Listening to the given work, I cannot escape being reminded of one persistent idea: It is clear that not one popular band has survived the speeding 50-year long evolution of the electric guitar. Nonetheless, it is natural that different crumbs of this history can be found in the vocabulary of any musician who knows it from experience rather than from second hand. Among these fashionable musicians we can also rank Ted Killian -- who's music is vigorous and mysterious with wide and multi-channeled overlappings designed around electronic musical effects. Here one can reference such luminaries as Frank Zappa, Carlos Santana, Robert Fripp and Glenn Branca. There is distortion, overloaded "phasing", different from the electronic effects approaches that which the former bluesmen have passed on to us, and their aesthetic marks (also well known: progressive chords and dynamism). Add "Fripertonic" overlappings of sounds and feedback, a minimized figure of a rhythm and "ostinatic" motifs and you have a formula for the next plan. All this is easily read, without claims and is a result of "converging" music with original Ted Killian characteristics and an exacting feeling of the form --all-in-all, worthy of note -- and I actually recommend listening to this modern guitar music. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one more or less positive --and neither one of these guys really seems to understand what he's listening too -- or at least neither one really seems to understand what caused the music to be made in the first place (me). Did I make a mistake in being rather stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. Given the recent thread concerning the idea that we might (or might not) take some time to explain ourselves and our techniques and/or concepts to an audience before a performance how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM than about me. Was that a mistake? It's not the reviewer's fault that I'm a somewhat unknown entity. But I'm also neither a wannabe bedroom shredmeister nor an academically trained composer/ musical philosopher. Both are way off from my point of view... and pretty substantially to boot. Is this sort of thing unavoidable? Anywho, thanks for your time. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27006; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3345BE.5E34@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:49:38 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances happening useing looping techonology? Similer to Mark,I've created a "Lite Rig" But,because my main interest these days is playing with other people it is my "only rig" I run my echoplex from a Raven Labs APD-1(thanks Max and Steve) where I can split or blend the signal into either effects engine of my Eventide Eclipse. 2-1/2 rack spaces,3 volume pedals and everything in a soft rack bag !!! I'll be playing with Land of the Blind http://www.landoftheblind.com Feb 1 at the Starry Plough,opening for Tempest.Our singer/visionary Cyoakha also loops at times.(boss loop station) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27242; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:52:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:52:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:42:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 17:42:34.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC92D050:01C193B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in a San Jose-based band called Fractal. We employ looping as part of our overall approach and sound, so not strictly a looping "show". Our current setlist does include two pieces where I'm permitted to sololoop while the chaps go have a drink. We have a couple of upcoming gigs in Sunnyvale in Feb, Apr and May. I suppose my gear-hauling problems are less of an issue than Mark's. I have a single 6-space rack occupied by Trace Elliot reactor amp, POD Pro and Repeater. Everything attaches by "umbilical" to the external stuff which includes Line6 floorboard, DL-4, and GR-33. That plus the speakers keeps it all fairly lite and mobile. I don't do this for a living but would like to keep my back intact nonetheless;-) Nic www.frakctal.com >From: Marklar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances >Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:35:09 -0800 > >on 1/2/02 12:28 AM, blue wolf at blueman9@hotmail.com wrote: > >Hi All, > >I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances >happening useing looping techonology? > >Thanks > >Blue Wolf > >Oddly enough, though there are a lot of Loopers in the Bay area, it seems >like loop shows are fairly infrequent. I think we're too busy trying to >make enough money to pay our insanely high rent to find the time. Probably >that, and a hostile venue situation. I probably shouldn't gripe to much, >as >I've not tried too hard to play live. I'm having success just working in >my >home studio and putting up mp3s on the internet. A lot less gear moving. >Actually, that's a big part of why I don't try and play out a lot. My gear >has become too complex and it's a hassle to move. Anyone else have this >problem? (I'm sure you do!) What I've done to help it to have a "lite" >rig. >Guitar, Korg AX30G, Digitech Space Station, JamMan, Amp. I've taken it to >a >friend's studio and it seemed to work well, though I did miss my Repeater >and other gear. As Steven Wright said, "Can't have everything. Where >would >you put it?" > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29620; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:08:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.43.87] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:58:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 17:58:25.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[132E1550:01C193B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: scott kungha drengsen > >Similer to Mark,I've created a "Lite Rig" But,because my main interest >these days is playing with other people it is my "only rig" I run my >echoplex from a Raven Labs APD-1(thanks Max and Steve) where I can split >or blend the signal into either effects engine of my Eventide Eclipse. >2-1/2 rack spaces,3 volume pedals and everything in a soft rack bag !!! ...you are so welcome Kungha! Your new, smaller rig sounds real cool, and I would love to hear what you are doing with the eclipse...since what you did "sans-eclipse" (yer cd) has been in my cd for months now as a fantasic bit o' inspiration! Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 14:11:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00405; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:46:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:46:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804898@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A negative review for 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:36:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193BC.591C5BD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193BC.591C5BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" hey ted, here's my take on things like this: i actually use reviews like this in my press pieces because they actually do give the idea of what the music is - - *as seen through the eyes of the reviewer* - - which means that the reviewer is wearing his/her biases on his/her sleeve. (one of my favorite reviews of one of my discs was saying that you shouldn't listen to it by yourself in a dark house. the reviewer didn't like the disc, but it sure *did* something to him.) also consider that there are some great descriptors in here that would make me intrigued by your project: >If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'd sound like Ted Killian.< >For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a disintegrating future, of some kind of technological breakdown is communicated in these tunes so successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't a piece of film that goes with them.< >with a stomping bassline and searing guitar that threaten to rip off your ears.< >Not as truly astringent as other guitar-wielding noiseniks, Killian seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside his world-o'-shred.< >That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good ideas here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself digging out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin.< ** what i see is that - - despite this person's trying hard not to like it (due to whatever personal reasons - - he seems to be quite tuned into the tech behind the disc - - probably a guitar player!) - - he was actually **affected** by it. that *is* important! ** the last bit about making you want to get out your guitar and e-bow, while seeming like a slam, may actually be great because it points to the listener being inspired to go and make music . . . also i think that it could be worse, it could say nothing about the music. contrast this with a review i got recently that lumped my cd "pomengranate" in with a bunch of "bass player" albums. it acted as if the album was supposed to be a showcase for my bass chops - - a solo vehicle for me in a blowing session - - where is really is four concerti written for other soloists (the disc is about my *writing*, not my playing) . . . in pollyanna-land, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193BC.591C5BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A negative review for 2002

hey ted,

here's my take on things like this:

i actually use reviews like this in my press pieces becau= se they actually do give the idea of what the music is - - *as seen through= the eyes of the reviewer* - - which means that the reviewer is wearing his= /her biases on his/her sleeve.

(one of my favorite reviews of one of my discs was saying= that you shouldn't listen to it by yourself in a dark house. the reviewer = didn't like the disc, but it sure *did* something to him.)


also consider that there are some great descriptors in he= re that would make me intrigued by your project:



>If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled = guitar to
the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'= d
sound like Ted Killian.<


>For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg =
flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a
disintegrating future, of some kind of technological
breakdown is communicated in these tunes so
successfully that it's difficult to believe that there i= sn't
a piece of film that goes with them.<
 
>with a stomping bassline and searing
guitar that threaten to rip off your ears.<

>Not as truly astringent as other guitar-wielding nois= eniks, Killian
seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside
his world-o'-shred.<

>That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good= ideas
here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself= digging
out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin.<<= /FONT>


** what i see is that - - despite this person's trying ha= rd not to like it (due to whatever personal reasons - - he seems to be quit= e tuned into the tech behind the disc - - probably a guitar player!)  = - - he was actually **affected** by it. that *is* important!

** the last bit about making you want to get out your gui= tar and e-bow, while seeming like a slam, may actually be great because it = points to the listener being inspired to go and make music . . .

also i think that it could be worse, it could say nothing= about the music. contrast this with a review i got recently that lumped my= cd "pomengranate" in with a bunch of "bass player" alb= ums. it acted as if the album was supposed to be a showcase for my bass cho= ps - - a solo vehicle for me in a blowing session  - - where is really= is four concerti written for other soloists (the disc is about my *writing= *, not my playing) . . .

in pollyanna-land,

stig











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------_=_NextPart_001_01C193BC.591C5BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 14:28:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02999; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:02:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:02:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c193be$8f662570$6187abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <000801c1939b$f293c8f0$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: Event EZ Bus? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:51:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steven wrote: > BTW, what do you mean 6 auxes and 2 groups? Hi Steven, currently I am using as (discontinued but very close to their new Mix Wizard .."xyz") Allen & Heath Gl2. I go into trk 1 with my preamplified signal and I have 6 auxes, set up in 3 stereo couples for 3 different efx boxes. the outs of these boxes come back through the channels' strips, so I can route them inside each other once again. The looper is feeded by the two group outs and its outs also come back to 2 channel strips, so I can process it. This set up is not possible with the Ez Bus. But it is with the Behringer. When I check a mixer (beside the sound) I look for routing flexibility and "phisicality" (does it make sense ?). The ddx has for sure the flexibility; about sound and interface, I still have to touch and hear one of them. Let me know if you find out more. thanks, luca www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: RE: Event EZ Bus? > Hi Luca, > > The Behringer unit looks interesting and apparently it has been released > and is selling for approx. $1599. (@ 8thstreet music). It seems a bit > much since both the Tascam and Yamaha digital mixers are less ... I know > they don't have as many XLR connectors but they do have built in > ADAT/TDIF which is another $300 option on the Behringer unit. > > BTW, what do you mean 6 auxes and 2 groups? > > Thanks, > steve > > > > > > I tried a demo a few weeks ago. > > It was a thing I put a lot of hope on, because it could be mixer (with > > scenes) and midi controller in one: the looper's dream. (I > > had not checked its recording power as audio pc interface). I > > was a little disappointed enough to verify I couldn't > > reproduce my mixing setting (6 auxes and 2 groups). So, I > > wait for the next one. Btw, it seems Behringer (...) is about > > to release a digital mixer > > (www.ddx3216.com) that seems to be way more deep than the > > event (if you are not interested in audio to pc) > > > > my best > > luca > > > www.unguitar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Steven Ginn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:23 PM > Subject: Event EZ Bus? > > > > Has anyone here tried the Event EZ Bus as a solution for matrix > > routing between all the looping and effects devices? It seems that it > > > could be a nice centerpiece for a live looping rig. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:01:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05779; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:37:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C32FD4C.B9A99AC8@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:30:05 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-OFLCB.A.IOB.G-1M8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well ted, the word "suck" didn't appear in either review so they can't be that bad. an group i used to play with got loads of those so i know of what i speak... happy new year, y'all bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06997; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:58:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804899@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:48:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193C6.764EFBE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193C6.764EFBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" [on the NiN/Madonna "canned music" thing...] > nevertheless, > the audience doesn't *care* to know how the music is achieved --- however the > quality of the music's effect might be judged, *that* seems to be the > audience's primary concern. ** after having done two nights of playing behind an oldies act that basically did the same show (including patter and and "spontaneous" commentary) for three sets - - and knowing that this act does the same show year-in-year-out for something like 10-20 years . . . and seeing people sitting through two shows and loving them both (WHATEVER!!!), suffice it to say that i don't think that many audience members care much about how the music is manifested - - or often what it is. they are there for the show, the spectacle. now if you wanna talk about famous jazz artists who allegedly make "live albums" but cobbling together a "live tune" from 300 edits . . . > >or Jaco's looping solo in the middle of Joni Mitchell gigs. > jaco did that? ** while this shows how early people were doing this sort of thing with tape echoplexes, i want to reiterate that les mccann used to do this with a 4-channel tape echoplex (custom in think) on many sets in the early to mid-'70s. (his bass player jimmy rowser used to do his solo feature doing the same thing with a single-channel as well.) it wasn't just "cutting-edge" people like jaco who did this stuff . . . stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193C6.764EFBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms

[on the NiN/Madonna "canned music" thing...]
> nevertheless,
> the audience doesn't *care* to know how the music i= s achieved --- however the
> quality of the music's effect might be judged, *tha= t* seems to be the
> audience's primary concern.

** after having done two nights of playing behind an oldi= es act that basically did the same show (including patter and and "spo= ntaneous" commentary) for three sets - - and knowing that this act doe= s the same show year-in-year-out for something like 10-20 years . . . and s= eeing people sitting through two shows and loving them both (WHATEVER!!!), = suffice it to say that i don't think that many audience members care much a= bout how the music is manifested - - or often what it is. they are there fo= r the show, the spectacle. now if you wanna talk about famous jazz artists = who allegedly make "live albums" but cobbling together a "li= ve tune" from 300 edits . . .


> >or Jaco's looping solo in the middle of Joni Mit= chell gigs.
> jaco did that?

** while this shows how early people were doing this sort= of thing with tape echoplexes, i want to reiterate that les mccann used to= do this with a 4-channel tape echoplex (custom in think) on many sets in t= he early to mid-'70s. (his bass player jimmy rowser used to do his solo fea= ture doing the same thing with a single-channel as well.) it wasn't just &q= uot;cutting-edge" people like jaco who did this stuff . . . 

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C193C6.764EFBE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10387; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:19:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:19:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c193c9$98665f40$6187abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:10:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted, I've never listened to what you play, so these are comments to words, nothing else than those. > For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg > flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a > disintegrating future, of some kind of technological > breakdown is communicated in these tunes so > successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't > a piece of film that goes with them. > well, if I had received this line, I would have been really proud. Videodrome is (altought a little "old viewed") a very, very deep movie. > Did I make a mistake in being rather > stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really > matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue > to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. Not by my point of view, music takes its sense by the richness of who listen to it. my 2 cents. do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" exists). ciao, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15617; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:03:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:03:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C33730B.F503225@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:52:27 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Ted, Hooo-boy... Let me see here. > So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one > more or less positive > --and neither one of these guys really > seems to understand what he's listening too -- I actually felt that both reviews exhibited a pretty significant understanding of the general area that you're operating in. Obviously the first one had a pretty jaded, sarcastic angle on it, but it came across to me as more of an issue with the "genre" (such as it is) of independent solo avant-guitar experimentalists than with you or your music personally. (He actually seemed to approve of what you're doing *in spite* of that element.) > or at least neither > one really seems to understand what caused the music to be > made in the first place (me). I think that's inevitable -- they weren't presented with "you," after all, but with one particular example of the fruits of your own musical work. For them (or anyone else) to have the same understanding of the material (and its origins) as the guy who single-handedly saw it from inception to execution isn't gonna happen. > Did I make a mistake in being rather > stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Did you want listeners to identify the material with any specific ideas/ambitions/concepts that you had in mind? Is this music "about" something in particular, and is knowing about that fundamental to people enjoying it, in your mind? Frank Gerace's band Dreamchild is a good exmaple. Their albums are very well-written and performed, and definitely stand on their own without any additional background. BUT... their music (and lyrics in particular) are so heavily based on specific (and often obscure) allusions to history and mythology that their background annotations are essential for getting the full meaning behind each tune (at least for an unschooled luddite like myself). > how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that > went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM > than about me. Was that a mistake? I have next to nothing about myself personally in my CD press kit; it's mostly about the album specifically, and what I was trying to accomplish with it conceptually. Even with several paragraphs of explanation, though, you never know how some people are going to react to it. (Example: one guy, to whom I had sent my in-depth treatise on the "why" of the CD, essentially said, "Hopefully one day LaFosse will leave this programmed jungle stuff behind and find some other musicians to make a really good album with." Never mind that such a suggestion completely misses the point of the record in the first place...) My advice? Approach any press you get, good or bad, with both an open mind and a grain of salt. Sometimes a review can shed some light onto a valid element of the work that the musician in question might not have considered. And sometimes it can totally misinterpret it. For my part, if there was a specific "thing" I wanted people to get, I probably wouldn't try and express it through abstract instrumental music. I personally am always intrigued by the different ways in which people react to the same music, but I try not to take commentary too seriously either way. And while I still haven't been able to spend the time with your CD that I want to, I've been enjoying the hell out of it! Take care, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17028; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:08:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: GIG Spam: Toronto, Canada: Software @ The Ambient Ping Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1202116755==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1202116755==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? on jan 8 for the first The Ambient Ping show. Info here: http://wwww.theambientping.com I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and computer sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. we are midi-synced on stage and improvise. plexus --============_-1202116755==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" GIG Spam: Toronto, Canada: Software @ The Ambient Ping
My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? on jan 8 for the first The Ambient Ping show. Info here:

http://wwww.theambientping.com

I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and computer sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. we are midi-synced on stage and improvise.

plexus

--============_-1202116755==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17185; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:19:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:19:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <51.16d2cbb0.2964d134@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:10:12 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_51.16d2cbb0.2964d134_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_51.16d2cbb0.2964d134_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 3:14:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, lucafeed@tin.it writes: > do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" exists). > luka.....99% of my music is self-indulgent, done for myself and its no challenge at all, in fact its a bunch-o-fun.....does this mean i dont exist?.....im a bit confused.....:)m --part1_51.16d2cbb0.2964d134_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 3:14:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, lucafeed@tin.it writes:


do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" exists).


luka.....99% of my music is self-indulgent, done for myself and its no challenge at all, in fact its a bunch-o-fun.....does this mean i dont exist?.....im a bit confused.....:)m
--part1_51.16d2cbb0.2964d134_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 17:03:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18741; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:28:33 +0000 Subject: Ted's reviews... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>** what i see is that - - despite this person's trying hard not to like it (due to whatever personal reasons - - he seems to be quite tuned into the tech behind the disc - - probably a guitar player!) - - he was actually **affected** by it. that *is* important! ** the last bit about making you want to get out your guitar and e-bow, while seeming like a slam, may actually be great because it points to the listener being inspired to go and make music . . . also i think that it could be worse, it could say nothing about the music. contrast this with a review i got recently that lumped my cd "pomengranate" in with a bunch of "bass player" albums. it acted as if the album was supposed to be a showcase for my bass chops - - a solo vehicle for me in a blowing session - - where is really is four concerti written for other soloists (the disc is about my *writing*, not my playing) . . . <<< I'm with Stig on this one - I thought it was a pretty good review spoilt by some biases that the reviewer seems determined to apply against his better judgement... It's one of the perils of sending out review copies of CDs - some people just aren't going to get it... I had a weird thing with my solo album in that I got a few good reviews that rated it for being a 'bass' album, which like Stig is not what it's about at all - do Sax players make sax music? It's just music, not a showcase, but there's no telling some people... I thought by including no slapping or tapping, I'd avoid that one, but still... So, again I'd concur with Stig, use the quotable bits, and don't worry to much about the rest... just dread the day when a review arrives where the guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 17:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18624; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1202115478==_ma============" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:30:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: GIG Spam: Toronto, Canada: Software @ The Ambient Ping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1202115478==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? on jan 8 for the >first The Ambient Ping show. Info here: > >http://wwww.theambientping.com > >I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and computer >sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. we are midi-synced >on stage and improvise. > >plexus Good luck ... wish I could be there ... (And at first glance, I read that as "The Ambient Pig" ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * --============_-1202115478==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? on jan 8 for the first The Ambient Ping show. Info here: http://wwww.theambientping.com I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and computer sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. we are midi-synced on stage and improvise. plexus Good luck ... wish I could be there ... (And at first glance, I read that as "The Ambient Pig" ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * --============_-1202115478==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 17:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22222; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:05:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:05:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c193d8$4e1c6fb0$6187abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <51.16d2cbb0.2964d134@aol.com> Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:56:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C193E0.AF575C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da pi parti. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C193E0.AF575C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" = exists). >luka.....99% of my music is self-indulgent, done for myself and its = no challenge at all, in fact its a bunch-o-fun.....does this mean i dont = exist?.....im a bit >confused.....:)m=20 Hi Michael, sorry, please remember english isn't my mother language. I just wanted to tell that I feel the most difficult people to satisfy = is me. And saying about that "you", it means (or, I intended it to mean) that = this sentence is true wether you are not too much self indulgent with = yourself. Being indulgent sometimes can mean to be very egoistic. (I am sure = this is not your case, I think I've been on this list for maybe 4 years = now and I have had the chance to get a lot out of you) It's pretty difficult to make things sound correct in english for me. Sorry for those who get mad trying to translate my bad english... it = took months for me to understand what "imho" or "btw" were meaning ;-)) I try to make my part using the most correct language I can, sometimes = I even don't reply to discussions because I feel explaining clearly my = opinion would be too difficult or could, and this is one case, be source = of misunderstandings. Talking about pots, delays, loops, digital conversion,... is much = simpler Anyway, Videodrome is a great movie. ciao a tutti, luca ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C193E0.AF575C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge = (if=20 "you" exists).

>luka.....99% of my music is self-indulgent, done for = myself and=20 its no challenge at all, in fact its a bunch-o-fun.....does this mean = i dont=20 exist?.....im a bit >confused.....:)m
 
Hi Michael, sorry, please remember english isn't my mother=20 language.
I just wanted to tell that I feel the most difficult people to = satisfy is=20 me.
And saying about that "you", it means (or, I intended it to mean) = that=20 this sentence is true wether you are not too much self indulgent with=20 yourself.
Being indulgent sometimes can mean to be very egoistic. (I am = sure this=20 is not your case, I think I've been on this list for maybe 4 years now = and I=20 have had the chance to get a lot out of you)
It's pretty difficult to make things sound correct in = english for=20 me.
 
Sorry for those who get mad trying to translate my bad english... = it took=20 months for me to understand what "imho" or "btw" were meaning = ;-))
I try to make my part using the most correct language I can, = sometimes I=20 even don't reply to discussions because I feel explaining clearly my = opinion=20 would be too difficult or could, and this is one case, be source of=20 misunderstandings.
Talking about pots, delays, loops, digital conversion,... is much = simpler
 
Anyway, Videodrome is a great movie.
 
ciao a tutti,
luca
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C193E0.AF575C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 17:49:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23766; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:26:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:26:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080489B@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:16:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193DB.2EA7E300" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193DB.2EA7E300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" just dread the day when a review arrives where the guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) ** right! i totally agree with steve (and not just 'cause he agreed with me). stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193DB.2EA7E300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Ted's reviews...

 just dread the day when a review arrives where the
guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o)


** right! i totally agree with steve (and not just 'cause he agreed with me).

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C193DB.2EA7E300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:08:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25020; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:44:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:44:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C338ADB.181671C5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:34:11 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not heard your album (are there any mp3 samples up?) but any review that says "I was put in mind of the Cronenberg flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a disintegrating future, of some kind of technological breakdown is communicated in these tunes so successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't a piece of film that goes with them." is a good review in my book! I bet Cronenberg spent way more time making Videodrome (I modern schlock/masterpiece IMO) than you did on your album, and you got the same result! Goody for you. Sounds like this guy is a bitter musician from the "Hey! I've played that in my bedroom before!" statement. He probably has and never got around to producing it into an album. The way gear is going, I doubt there will be much music not produced in someone's bedroom IN THE FUTURE. Good luck and keep on looping. Mark KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Just to show some evidence of fairness and that I am just > as likely to deflate my own party balloon as blow it up. I > thought it might be instructive to share a recent negative > review my CD has gotten. I've passed along a few of the > positive ones from time to time (as I have been pretty > darned pleased to get them) and thought I'd distribute > this one as well. It's really quite funny in it's own way. And > besides, even bad publicity is still publicity -- or so they say. > > Anyway, I have a question for everybody at the bottom of > all of this (should you get there). I'm also including a > "translation" of another review I got from a publication > in Lithuania a while back. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to > the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'd > sound like Ted Killian. Despite the lofty philosophical > statement that graces the sleeve of Flux Aeterna (adorned > with mathematical symbols, natch), this is an album that > wants only to stand in front of an amp stack and wail, > albeit in a slightly mechanical, dystopian way. > > The tunes on this disc are all vaguely soundtrackesque. > For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg > flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a > disintegrating future, of some kind of technological > breakdown is communicated in these tunes so > successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't > a piece of film that goes with them. "Leaving Medford" > is an edgy, angry piece of work, leaving no doubt in the > listener's mind that the future's fucked, and Ted's here > with his newscasting guitar to tell you all about it. > "Cauterant Baptism", on the other hand, uses the > depressive tone to rock out: it begins with some loose > space-cowboy noodling, then turns into a late-Bowie > toned behemoth, with a stomping bassline and searing > guitar that threaten to rip off your ears. Not as truly > astringent as other guitar-wielding noiseniks, Killian > seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside > his world-o'-shred. While this makes you crave more > spark in his playing --occasionally, it can sound more > like he's practicing for the real deal more than experiencing > it -- it's satisfying to have something to hold on to amid the > sonic excursions. > > The propensity for albums like Flux Aeterna to devolve into > nothing more than shredwank isn't entirely sidestepped > here -- there are a couple of moments when one imagines > that Ted's giving Steve Vai a run for his gurning-while-fretboard- > whizzing money -- but thankfully, these instances of cringe > aren't too long-lived when they occur. The weakness with > ambient/experimental guitar tunes is that they can fall > into the "Hey! I've played that in my bedroom before!" trap. > Whether this is a welcome familiarity in the world of > anonymous rock, or merely annoying when you've forked > over money for the disc, is a personal call, but let's just say > that if it's the latter, you might want to give this disc a miss. > That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good ideas > here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself digging > out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin. > > Luke Martin, http://www.splendidezine.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > A few months ago I got a review from a Lithuanian print > magazine called "Tango" and asked the list if anybody new > a translator. Well, I finally got a translation on my own from an > online outfit. I am still not sure the translation is quite right > because it sounds so darned academic, but here goes... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > Linas, Tango Magazine, Lithuania, October, 2001 > > I did not manage to find any additional information on this > musician, so material received previously from pfMENTUM > is the only context in which it is possible to present this > musician and his new work. pfMENTUM is a small record > label based in California and specializing in modern > experimental and extemporaneous music. Tango has > reviewed records of this firm before. From the small > amount of given works, it is possible to make conclusions > and suppose that this work, “Flux Aeterna,* fits into a frame > of aesthetics introduced by this publisher on other occasions. > Like the previous records, it is issued in unique and unusual > packing (even in a box), like the musical concepts it contains, > along with the cryptic motto: "Change equals hope. Hope > equals change." > > It's obvious, that Ted Killian is a musician who has grown > and matured under the influence of the school of effects > (guitar of the seventies and eighties) especially from the > peripheral aesthetic point of view of repetitive minimalism, > plus an extensive musical heritage -- without which musical > (not only guitars) thinking and interpretation would be > impossible -- in electro/acoustic music and urbanized blues. > But, such a generalized set of references certainly doesn't > explain anything to us. Listening to the given work, I cannot > escape being reminded of one persistent idea: It is clear > that not one popular band has survived the speeding > 50-year long evolution of the electric guitar. > > Nonetheless, it is natural that different crumbs of this history > can be found in the vocabulary of any musician who knows > it from experience rather than from second hand. Among > these fashionable musicians we can also rank Ted Killian -- > who's music is vigorous and mysterious with wide and > multi-channeled overlappings designed around electronic > musical effects. Here one can reference such luminaries as > Frank Zappa, Carlos Santana, Robert Fripp and Glenn Branca. > > There is distortion, overloaded "phasing", different from the > electronic effects approaches that which the former bluesmen > have passed on to us, and their aesthetic marks (also well > known: progressive chords and dynamism). Add "Fripertonic" > overlappings of sounds and feedback, a minimized figure of > a rhythm and "ostinatic" motifs and you have a formula for the > next plan. All this is easily read, without claims and is a result > of "converging" music with original Ted Killian characteristics > and an exacting feeling of the form --all-in-all, worthy of note -- > and I actually recommend listening to this modern guitar music. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one > more or less positive --and neither one of these guys really > seems to understand what he's listening too -- or at least neither > one really seems to understand what caused the music to be > made in the first place (me). Did I make a mistake in being rather > stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really > matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue > to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. > > Given the recent thread concerning the idea that we might > (or might not) take some time to explain ourselves and our > techniques and/or concepts to an audience before a performance > how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that > went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM > than about me. Was that a mistake? It's not the reviewer's fault > that I'm a somewhat unknown entity. But I'm also neither a wannabe > bedroom shredmeister nor an academically trained composer/ > musical philosopher. Both are way off from my point of view... > and pretty substantially to boot. Is this sort of thing unavoidable? > > Anywho, thanks for your time. > > Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25976; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:56:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:56:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <152.6a42eda.2964e76e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:45:02 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ted, post-contextually, this sounds like it'd be a good quote for your bio/CV: >> If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to >> the accompaniment of loops....., >> it'd >> sound like Ted Killian. (NB: the placement of the 5 dots that 'displace' his original statement). dude, daoud t / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:25:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27478; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:01:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:01:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.20990412.2964e90b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:51:55 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5_hvLC.A.SRG.b84M8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sl (?) said: >just dread the day when a review arrives where the >guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) or: ..... when the reviewer doesn't 'get it' (whatever that means), but thinks it's wonderful. or: ..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't be bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the disc for free --- after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop & *trades* it for something else..... as if it was his/her property, to begin with. (for more info on that last subject, please visit any underpaid dj at most radio-stations in in america). *-) best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27927; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:06:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:06:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c193e1$60c60780$1461f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201021752.MAA27305@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Looping gigs in the SF Bay Area Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:01:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Blue Wolf wrote: "I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know of any performances happening useing looping techonology?" Hi, Blue, The looping community down in the Santa Cruz area has been very, very active: I have produced a dozen Loop-centric festivals here and in Big Sur, Mountain View, Berekely and Sacramento. I have been trying for the longest time to try to get someone in San Francisco interested in producing the First San Francisco Looping Festival but San Francisco has run into the same Dot-Com Real Estate nightmare that we have down here and it is hard to find a venue to support such a festival. I haven't given up, but maybe you should consider producing a festival yourself. I would be more than happy to advise you on how to do it. Los Angeles has had their first and New York City is moving, slowly (and I hope surely) towards their first. paranthetical aside: Did the Midwest Looping Festival come off or is it still in the works? If you are interested in traveling south (Santa Cruz = 1 1/2 hours drive, San Jose = 1 hour drive). Steve Lawson and I will be performing solo looping sets and a duet improvisational show at: The CAYUGA VAULT, Santa Cruz, California (corner of Cayuga and Soquel Avenue) Sunday, January 13th 8 p.m. (10$ suggested donation) (with openers, ORBIS) ESPRESSON GARDEN, San Jose, California (Bascome Avenue near the hospital) Monday, January 14th 8 p.m. Come on down and say hi!!!! yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.poo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:52:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29859; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:29:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:29:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9.211b5a57.2964f024@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:22:12 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.211b5a57.2964f024_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.211b5a57.2964f024_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 4:30:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > use the quotable bits absolutly.....and you get to pick them.....:)m --part1_9.211b5a57.2964f024_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 4:30:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


use the quotable bits


absolutly.....and you get to pick them.....:)m
--part1_9.211b5a57.2964f024_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 18:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30359; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:26:34 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b9.1960b557.2964f12a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b9.1960b557.2964f12a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 4:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, lucafeed@tin.it writes: > please remember english isn't my mother language. luca.....forgive me for i am but a goof.....:)m --part1_b9.1960b557.2964f12a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 4:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, lucafeed@tin.it writes:


please remember english isn't my mother language.


luca.....forgive me for i am but a goof.....:)m
--part1_b9.1960b557.2964f12a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30821; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:38:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:38:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102182604.00a740e0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:27:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 In-Reply-To: <152.6a42eda.2964e76e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:45 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >(NB: the placement of the 5 dots that 'displace' his original statement). But let us not forget the true king of the ellipsis...... Michael........ Klobuchar! :) -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:06:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31218; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:41:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:41:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:33:53 EST Subject: Re: Looping gigs in the SF Bay Area To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <7qgoGD.A.KeH.rj5M8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 5:59:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.poo > loop.poo.....wait a second......yeah, whats up with the NY and mid-west loop fests?.....i seem to remember something about feb-march and the way time flies for me it will be july next week.....yikes.....:)m --part1_157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 5:59:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


yours,  Rick Walker (aka, Loop.poo


loop.poo.....wait a second......yeah, whats up with the NY and mid-west loop fests?.....i seem to remember something about feb-march and the way time flies for me it will be july next week.....yikes.....:)m
--part1_157.6a6d4fc.2964f2e1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:11:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31545; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:47:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:47:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080489C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:38:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193E6.98560560" Resent-Message-ID: <4j3gK.A.1kH.8p5M8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193E6.98560560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't be bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the disc for free --- after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop & *trades* it for something else..... ** lol - - this is SO true. i used to live next door to a fairly big crit in the l.a. alt-press world. this guy got TONS of lps every week/month. most he never listened to (lots of hair metal, etc.); he would just jump down to rhino records, do the massive trade-in (100 or so discs every couple of months) and get some stuff that he liked (usually some old chess records stuff). of course, the record corps were just as at fault, too - - they sent stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the stuff they sent (this guy was a total punk and roots guy). stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193E6.98560560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Ted's reviews...

..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't g= et it', but couldn't be
bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the d= isc for free ---
after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop = & *trades* it for
something else.....


** lol - - this is SO true. i used to live next door to a= fairly big crit in the l.a. alt-press world. this guy got TONS of lps ever= y week/month. most he never listened to (lots of hair metal, etc.); he woul= d just jump down to rhino records, do the massive trade-in (100 or so discs= every couple of months) and get some stuff that he liked (usually some old= chess records stuff). of course, the record corps were just as at fault, t= oo - - they sent stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the stuff th= ey sent (this guy was a total punk and roots guy).


stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C193E6.98560560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32198; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:57:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:57:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020102235121.14505.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200201021752.MAA27305@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Question: Can you make a Binaural mic set up > easily? Is it significantly > more complicated than sticking condenser mics > into the ears of a dummy head? > > > Carl Jacobson > Director of Marketing Communications Hi Carl, You might be interested in one of the responses I got to my question from the ambient@hyperreal.org list: "For mics I use these Shure Sound Professional binaural mics which are excellent for delicate recordings. But due to the mics being very sensitive, I've occasionally have problems with wind noise. Ritchie" Thanks for your response. And thanks to everyone who has sent me ideas and suggestions related to making field recordings. I can't wait to dive into this! Mary Jane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:33:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01979; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C339F16.7CB0646F@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:00:21 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Trans-continental LA Gig Spam and schedule addendum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello folk, Steve Lawson was kind enough to invite me to join him on the bill for his gig at the Knitting Factory this upcoming Monday (the 7th), and I'm delighted to report the addition is now confirmed. According to the Knit website, the show is now slated to begin at 8:00 PM (an hour later than was previously reported, I believe). It's in the Alterknit Lounge; cover is $7.00. Hope to see some of you there, and thanks again to Mr. Lawson for his generosity! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:37:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02622; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:13:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:13:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:06:47 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 1/2/02 11:30:28 AM, bobdog@pseudobuddha.com writes: >well ted, the word "suck" didn't appear in either review so they can't >be that bad. In a message dated 1/2/02 2:19:24 PM, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: >just dread the day when a review arrives where the >guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) In a message dated 1/2/02 1:30:40 PM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >I'm with Stig on this one - I thought it was a pretty good review spoilt >by some biases that the reviewer seems determined to apply against >his better judgement... I guess you're right. I should count my blessings. I hope I didn't come off as whiny and self-pitiful. I was just wondering how other folks deal with this sort of thing mostly. In a message dated 1/2/02 10:38:31 AM, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: >i actually use reviews like this in my press pieces because they actually >do give the idea of what the music is - - *as seen through the eyes of the >reviewer* - - which means that the reviewer is wearing his/her biases on >his/her sleeve. > >(one of my favorite reviews of one of my discs was saying that you shouldn't >listen to it by yourself in a dark house. the reviewer didn't like the >disc, but it sure *did* something to him.) > >also consider that there are some great descriptors in here that would >make me intrigued by your project: Well, perhaps your right again. I really didn't think about it that way (funny thing, since since my day job is in advertising/marketing). >** the last bit about making you want to get out your guitar and e-bow, >while seeming like a slam, may actually be great because it points to the >listener being inspired to go and make music . . . Okay, okay. Group hugs al around! My faith in myself (and in humanity in general) has been restored. :-) I guess what kind of bothered me to begin with about the "bad" review was the "Steve Vai" reference. I'm not especially a fan of Mr. Vai but I do respect his prodigious abilities. I find the idea of being compaired to him to be a little comical. My own native abilities in regard to fretwork are pretty doggone meager to say the least. I'd say that my playing is probably only slightly more interesting to WATCH than the development of refridgerator mold. It sounds a lot speedier that it is. And, as for "gurning," I am reminded of a quip shared here a week or so ago about David Gilmour's stage presence behind a lap steel being comparable to that of an average lathe opperator. That's something that could honestly be said about me in all likelyhood. Like Leo Kottke I have to remind myself to keep my lips together and not drool all over my instrument. :-) >for what it is worth, your stuff makes me want to grab my guitar >as well, and i think that is pretty cool. It is inspired music and i >listen to it often (via mp3's). Thanks! I guess compliments don't get any better than that. In a message dated 1/2/02 12:15:11 PM, lucafeed@tin.it writes: >Well, if I had received this line, I would have been really proud. >Videodrome is (altought a little "old viewed") a very, very deep movie. I guess I ought to check it out. I've heard of it before but I've never viewed it. >Do music for yourself, it's the most difficult challenge (if "you" exists). I pretty much do. Like the visual art I also do (and have done for a number of decades now). Both expressions are extensions of "who I am" in my own internal dialog with myself. In a message dated 1/2/02 12:55:55 PM, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: >> or at least neither one really seems to understand >> what caused the music to be made in the first place (me). > >I think that's inevitable -- they weren't presented with "you," after >all, but with one particular example of the fruits of your own musical >work. For them (or anyone else) to have the same understanding of the >material (and its origins) as the guy who single-handedly saw it from >inception to execution isn't gonna happen. My expectations are high, perhaps too high. Critisism accepted. >> Did I make a mistake in being rather >> stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? > >Did you want listeners to identify the material with any specific >ideas/ambitions/concepts that you had in mind? Is this music "about" >something in particular, and is knowing about that fundamental to people >enjoying it, in your mind? Not especially. Each piece may have had a context or a set of references in my own mind but I have no expectation that others will do anything other than provide their own. That's one of the beautiful things about art. >My advice? Approach any press you get, good or bad, with both an open >mind and a grain of salt. Advice taken. Thanks everybody. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03009; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:16:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:16:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080489D@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A negative review for 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:09:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193EA.DDCAF2A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193EA.DDCAF2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But let us not forget the true king of the ellipsis...... Michael........ Klobuchar! :) ** the king of the ellipsis is l-f celine. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193EA.DDCAF2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: A negative review for 2002

But let us not forget the true king of the ellipsis...... Michael........
Klobuchar! :)


** the king of the ellipsis is l-f celine.

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C193EA.DDCAF2A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03884; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:26:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:26:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <10e.a27d0b9.2964fd9c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:19:40 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT, In a message dated 1/2/02 2:53:38 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >or: >..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't >be bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the disc for free --- >after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop & *trades* it for >something else..... as if it was his/her property, to begin with. >(for more info on that last subject, please visit any underpaid dj at most >radio-stations in in america). More than once already I've encountered a reference to my CD in a list of items for sale at ebay. Go figure. I hadn't sold very many of 'em so far at the time (I still haven't) So I have to imagine it was one of the promos. Ha! So it goes.... Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:04:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05019; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:40:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:40:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.98e9433.296500e1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:33:37 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11e.98e9433.296500e1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11e.98e9433.296500e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 7:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > ** the king of the ellipsis is l-f celine. > > stig.....you're so wright.....that Klochubar has been a long time pretender to the crown.....off with his head!.....:)m --part1_11e.98e9433.296500e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 7:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


** the king of the ellipsis is l-f celine.



stig.....you're so wright.....that Klochubar has been a long time pretender to the crown.....off with his head!.....:)m
--part1_11e.98e9433.296500e1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06340; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:53:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:53:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: making field recordings Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:37:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should check out the DSM mics: www.sonicstudios.com Used these for field, concert and currently for drum overheads. Fantastic response and dimensionality, such that it still makes me jump (eg there's a car coming through my wall!) when I hear things recorded on them, as they reproduce the 3d space so well. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: making field recordings > > > I've been pretty happy with some recordings I did with my > Portable Minidisc > player and a SONY stereo condenser mic (sorry can't remember the model). I > used it three years ago to do some field recordings of the Harp Seal herd > off the coast of Prince Edward Island. It held up surprisingly well > considering the arctic conditions (-40 F out on the frozen ocean), the > display was not reliable at that temp, but the recordings came out fine. I > probably could have used a wind shield of some sort, but > listening back now, > I like the sound of the wind. I also managed to get a fairly interesting > recording of helicopter blades starting up in stereo from right > below them. > > If money were not an object, I would like to have a Binaural mic > set up and > a DAT player. > > Question: Can you make a Binaural mic set up easily? Is it significantly > more complicated than sticking condenser mics into the ears of a > dummy head? > > > Carl Jacobson > Director of Marketing Communications > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Jane Adams [mailto:maverickmary@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:06 PM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: making field recordings > > Hi, > > I'm curious to know if any of you make field > recordings. What kind of portable/remote > equipment do you use? Special mikes? Suggested > techniques? Helpful books or web sites for more > info? > > Thanks! > > Mary Jane > > (ps: posted this question to the > ambient@hyperreal list also, so pardon if you get > this twice.) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:18:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06589; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:54:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:54:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <33.20395b28.2965044c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:48:12 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stigwitz, >of course, the record corps were just as at fault, too - - they sent >stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the stuff they sent (this >guy was a total punk and roots guy). right --- they generally can't be bothered to stop & figger-out just *whom* might actually listen to said unsolicited disc..... dt / splammybell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:18:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06447; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:53:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:53:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping gigs in the SF Bay Area Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:46:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2002 00:46:04.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[06419540:01C193F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, >Steve Lawson and I will be performing solo >looping sets and a duet improvisational show at: >(SNIP) >ESPRESSON GARDEN, San Jose, California (Bascome Avenue near the >hospital) >Monday, January 14th 8 p.m. > >Come on down and say hi!!!! > >yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.poo > I will definitely try to make it to the gig on the 14th - was planning to go hear Steve and knowing this will make it double worthwhile. It would be nice to meet some LD folk in person as up to now I've been no more than a relatively anonymous qwertybot on this list...;-) Best, Nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06837; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:58:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:58:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <168.68ffdbe.29650520@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:51:44 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ted, >So it goes.... indeed! 8-) dt / splonnagel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08662; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:05:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:05:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:57:24 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where do I get a copy? I've gotta hear this!!! (See what critical acclaim can do for you?) I'm serious, I really want to check it out :-) E.D. ____________________________________________ Telepathy Records telepathyrecords.com ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08798; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:06:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:06:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.143] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater- universal power and feedback?? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:32:48 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2002 00:58:37.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[C712BD20:01C193F1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent. Thanks alot for your help Nic. And yeah, it was the "Switching between two loops" which I was curious about. It'd probably come in handy, the instant kill when changing loops. There's always workarounds I guess if I do want feedback into the new loop. THanks again, Ritchie http://ninja.at/play ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nic Roozeboom" > > >And one thing that I'm curious about (which I couldn't find browsing thru > >the archives) is: > >if I'm using Loop 1 for instance with a large feedback time; when I change > >to Loop 2, does Loop 1 die instantly or does the feedback continue once > >Loop > >2 comences? Or can you choose between the two options? > > Switching between two loops (as Repeater defines them) has immediate effect > - all operations on the first loop are abandoned upon switching, and you > start with a clean slate on loop #2. Loop #1 does remain intact for later > (immediate) recall and further use. > > However, it's also a multi-track device, not sure if that's where you're > headed - you can switch tracks within the same loop. Feedback/overdub on the > new track would commence while the other track still runs along without > modification. > > Sorry if I perhaps misunderstood - hope this helps. I have had this device > for a few days and I'm loving it. > > Nic > > >Thanks for any help, > >RItchie > >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: > >http://hacked.at/facehacker > >http://www.mp3.com/rdomain > >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>>:::::::::::::: > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10006; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:24:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:24:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Wormz... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:18:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c193f4$a2256eb0$fe78a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20020101160953.A2523@ratamacue.sounding.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthew, > I've been pondering these sorts of questions for quite some > time, as I've > been very interested (and involved) in the role of improvisation and > spontaneous music making in electronica - specifically > *danceable* electronica. could you please tell us (me) a bit more about your activities in "improvised dance music" ? (Background: my first "looping" performance ever was when I combined the possibilities of several newly acquired pieces of equipment - amongst them a Quasimidi Sirius, a DL4, a Headrush and an electric bass guitar. While a majority of this performance was quite "danceable", this was entirely due to the DnB-style patterns repeated (or looped, if you will) by my Sirius. The looping, on the other hand, focused on the more "experimental" parts of the performance, save for one number where I combined an improvised theme (soprano sax) with the "out chorus" of my trombone solo. On the other hand, I recently started a group not necessarily involved in looping but dedicated to "improvised dance music". Because we do not yet live up to our full looping possibilities (like e.g. feeding drum mikes into my console with the Repeater), and also because we are a fairly large ensemble (compromising one drummer, guitar player, drum/bass player, keyboard player and mhs for keys, sax and additional bass), my looping has been down to a minimum so far. Yet the possibilities of the looping stuff struck the other members (all without looping experience on their side) as fascinating - like playing a bass riff "live" to the stuff drums/keys play, then looping this bass riff and then building the entire "ensemble sound" around this loop. When it comes to audience reactions (in our few performances so far, all of which took place at parties, where the audience didn't even expect a live act, and had been awaiting an evening of a DJ playing contemporary dance music), the little pieces of looping I did add went largely unnoticed by the audience. This is partially due to the fact that most of the audience were there to dance, not to watch the group, partially because we usually play up, as the say in the trade, "a storm" with our five-piece band, similair to the intensity of the Weather Report live performances (see 8:30). An eye catcher and "hey, I'm looping" trick I pulled with genuine success is to create a short "loop" (more of a modulated delay, like the DL4s sweep echo set to full feedback) at the end of a synth solo, then walk out onto the dancefloor and groove away while the rest of the group plays around the sonic mayhem. This does also work for, say, bass or keyboard riffs, but only if no one else is playing keys or bass at the same time, and only if it is clear for the audience that you did in fact play the riff yourself from the beginning (rather than trigger a prerecorded sample). This is not always easy, but on the other hand, as long as the audience enjoys what we are doing, it doesn't really matter whether they know (or care) if I'm looping live or playing samples - same goes for the fact that our material is in fact nearly completely improvised, a feat that goes unnoticed by most of the audience). Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10925; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:34:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:34:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080489E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:27:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C193F5.C19395F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193F5.C19395F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** and the "work and money" they could save by doing a little market research, becomes promo copy recoupable monies that the artist(s) owe!!!! (read wasted money all the way around) gotta love it. stig stigwitz, >of course, the record corps were just as at fault, too - - they sent >stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the stuff they sent (this >guy was a total punk and roots guy). right --- they generally can't be bothered to stop & figger-out just *whom* might actually listen to said unsolicited disc..... dt / splammybell Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. 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** and the "work and money" they could save by = doing a little market research, becomes promo copy recoupable monies that t= he artist(s) owe!!!! (read wasted money all the way around)

gotta love it.

stig


stigwitz,
>of course, the record corps were just as at fault, t= oo - - they sent
>stuff to someone who would NEVER, ever review the st= uff they sent (this
>guy was a total punk and roots guy).
right --- they generally can't be bothered to stop &= figger-out just *whom*
might actually listen to said unsolicited disc.....
dt / splammybell



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C193F5.C19395F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 21:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11587; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:42:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:42:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:35:32 -0800 Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any review that generates a soundbite like this is to be treasured. I've got glowing reviews that aren't as quotable. I'd suggest putting this on ALL your upcoming posters and ads, in big bold print: "Leaving Medford" is an edgy, angry piece of work, leaving no doubt in the listener's mind that the future's fucked, and Ted's here with his newscasting guitar to tell you all about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 21:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14913; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:24:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:24:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <54.20a0cdaa.2965193e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:17:34 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com E.D. In a message dated 1/2/02 4:59:09 PM, elio@telepathyrecords.com writes: >Where do I get a copy? I've gotta hear this!!! > >(See what critical acclaim can do for you?) > >I'm serious, I really want to check it out :-) Well, that is indeed very kind of you! www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html Thanks, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 01:09:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27218; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:45:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:45:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c1941a$1813dce0$6c54e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: GIG Spam: Toronto, Canada: Software @ The Ambient Ping Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:47:13 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> My guitar playing friend and I will be at c'est what? >> on jan 8 for the first The Ambient Ping show. Info here: >> http://www.theambientping.com >> I use a repeater and a rack of other electrix, plus synths and >> computer sequencing and paul uses vintage E-H gear and a jamman. >> we are midi-synced on stage and improvise. >> plexus > > Good luck ... wish I could be there ... (And at first glance, I read that as "The Ambient Pig" ...) > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * Hey - That could be the new mascot! Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 01:30:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29312; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:06:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:06:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:02:12 -0800 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006901c1941c$2fbd1300$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, it's not that bad. just some extra shredwank from a self-absorbed reviewer who likes to hear himself talk. read many before. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: A negative review for 2002 > Hi all, > > Just to show some evidence of fairness and that I am just > as likely to deflate my own party balloon as blow it up. I > thought it might be instructive to share a recent negative > review my CD has gotten. I've passed along a few of the > positive ones from time to time (as I have been pretty > darned pleased to get them) and thought I'd distribute > this one as well. It's really quite funny in it's own way. And > besides, even bad publicity is still publicity -- or so they say. > > Anyway, I have a question for everybody at the bottom of > all of this (should you get there). I'm also including a > "translation" of another review I got from a publication > in Lithuania a while back. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -- > > If Terminator 2's evil robot played Morricone-styled guitar to > the accompaniment of loops of questionable tonality, it'd > sound like Ted Killian. Despite the lofty philosophical > statement that graces the sleeve of Flux Aeterna (adorned > with mathematical symbols, natch), this is an album that > wants only to stand in front of an amp stack and wail, > albeit in a slightly mechanical, dystopian way. > > The tunes on this disc are all vaguely soundtrackesque. > For some reason, I was put in mind of the Cronenberg > flick Videodrome while listening; the whole idea of a > disintegrating future, of some kind of technological > breakdown is communicated in these tunes so > successfully that it's difficult to believe that there isn't > a piece of film that goes with them. "Leaving Medford" > is an edgy, angry piece of work, leaving no doubt in the > listener's mind that the future's fucked, and Ted's here > with his newscasting guitar to tell you all about it. > "Cauterant Baptism", on the other hand, uses the > depressive tone to rock out: it begins with some loose > space-cowboy noodling, then turns into a late-Bowie > toned behemoth, with a stomping bassline and searing > guitar that threaten to rip off your ears. Not as truly > astringent as other guitar-wielding noiseniks, Killian > seems to always keep some sense of the tune inside > his world-o'-shred. While this makes you crave more > spark in his playing --occasionally, it can sound more > like he's practicing for the real deal more than experiencing > it -- it's satisfying to have something to hold on to amid the > sonic excursions. > > The propensity for albums like Flux Aeterna to devolve into > nothing more than shredwank isn't entirely sidestepped > here -- there are a couple of moments when one imagines > that Ted's giving Steve Vai a run for his gurning-while-fretboard- > whizzing money -- but thankfully, these instances of cringe > aren't too long-lived when they occur. The weakness with > ambient/experimental guitar tunes is that they can fall > into the "Hey! I've played that in my bedroom before!" trap. > Whether this is a welcome familiarity in the world of > anonymous rock, or merely annoying when you've forked > over money for the disc, is a personal call, but let's just say > that if it's the latter, you might want to give this disc a miss. > That said, it's a strong album -- there are some good ideas > here -- but just don't be surprised if you find yourself digging > out your guitar and an EBow after giving it a spin. > > Luke Martin, http://www.splendidezine.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -- > > A few months ago I got a review from a Lithuanian print > magazine called "Tango" and asked the list if anybody new > a translator. Well, I finally got a translation on my own from an > online outfit. I am still not sure the translation is quite right > because it sounds so darned academic, but here goes... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -- > > Linas, Tango Magazine, Lithuania, October, 2001 > > I did not manage to find any additional information on this > musician, so material received previously from pfMENTUM > is the only context in which it is possible to present this > musician and his new work. pfMENTUM is a small record > label based in California and specializing in modern > experimental and extemporaneous music. Tango has > reviewed records of this firm before. From the small > amount of given works, it is possible to make conclusions > and suppose that this work, “Flux Aeterna,” fits into a frame > of aesthetics introduced by this publisher on other occasions. > Like the previous records, it is issued in unique and unusual > packing (even in a box), like the musical concepts it contains, > along with the cryptic motto: "Change equals hope. Hope > equals change." > > It's obvious, that Ted Killian is a musician who has grown > and matured under the influence of the school of effects > (guitar of the seventies and eighties) especially from the > peripheral aesthetic point of view of repetitive minimalism, > plus an extensive musical heritage -- without which musical > (not only guitars) thinking and interpretation would be > impossible -- in electro/acoustic music and urbanized blues. > But, such a generalized set of references certainly doesn't > explain anything to us. Listening to the given work, I cannot > escape being reminded of one persistent idea: It is clear > that not one popular band has survived the speeding > 50-year long evolution of the electric guitar. > > Nonetheless, it is natural that different crumbs of this history > can be found in the vocabulary of any musician who knows > it from experience rather than from second hand. Among > these fashionable musicians we can also rank Ted Killian -- > who's music is vigorous and mysterious with wide and > multi-channeled overlappings designed around electronic > musical effects. Here one can reference such luminaries as > Frank Zappa, Carlos Santana, Robert Fripp and Glenn Branca. > > There is distortion, overloaded "phasing", different from the > electronic effects approaches that which the former bluesmen > have passed on to us, and their aesthetic marks (also well > known: progressive chords and dynamism). Add "Fripertonic" > overlappings of sounds and feedback, a minimized figure of > a rhythm and "ostinatic" motifs and you have a formula for the > next plan. All this is easily read, without claims and is a result > of "converging" music with original Ted Killian characteristics > and an exacting feeling of the form --all-in-all, worthy of note -- > and I actually recommend listening to this modern guitar music. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -- > > So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one > more or less positive --and neither one of these guys really > seems to understand what he's listening too -- or at least neither > one really seems to understand what caused the music to be > made in the first place (me). Did I make a mistake in being rather > stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really > matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue > to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. > > Given the recent thread concerning the idea that we might > (or might not) take some time to explain ourselves and our > techniques and/or concepts to an audience before a performance > how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that > went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM > than about me. Was that a mistake? It's not the reviewer's fault > that I'm a somewhat unknown entity. But I'm also neither a wannabe > bedroom shredmeister nor an academically trained composer/ > musical philosopher. Both are way off from my point of view... > and pretty substantially to boot. Is this sort of thing unavoidable? > > Anywho, thanks for your time. > > Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 02:16:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31575; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:51:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:45:34 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007201c19422$3ee6da40$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted begs the question... > So, here are two reviews -- one more or less negative and one more or less positive --and neither one of these guys really seems to understand what he's listening too -- or at least neither one really seems to understand what caused the music to be made in the first place (me). Did I make a mistake in being rather stingy on the liner notes? Should I have said more? Not that it really matters -- the CD is still something I'm pretty proud of. I continue to be astonished that it has gotten any attention at all. > Given the recent thread concerning the idea that we might (or might not) take some time to explain ourselves and our techniques and/or concepts to an audience before a performance how does one go about handling liner notes? The press kit that went out with my CD had more info about the label pfMENTUM than about me. Was that a mistake? It's not the reviewer's fault that I'm a somewhat unknown entity. But I'm also neither a wannabe bedroom shredmeister nor an academically trained composer / musical philosopher. Both are way off from my point of view... and pretty substantially to boot. Is this sort of thing unavoidable? > Anywho, thanks for your time. > Ted Killian Hi Ted... I've lately become confused (mostly) by the lumping together of odd coalitions and factions around the bay area (and California). We've got the BA-NEWMUSE list members comprised of many Mills faculty and students, as well as a variety of real-time free-improv types. We've got the pfMENTUM crew with Jeff Kaiser, and his many friends such as Steuart Liebig and Nels Cline... While I dearly love many from each faction, it's sometimes hard to know where I fit into it all as well... It seems that rythym (groove-like) and melody (stated in anything other than either a radical-outburst-noiseattack) seems to imply old-school-wankerism in the player who commits these greivous errors. Dan Plonsey over on the BA-Newmuse list recently posted similar thoughts on complete free-improv and it's seeming narrow constraints. The rock vernacular has been quoted to death everywhere... selling hamburgers; in kid's movies and video games... it's a tough game trying to use good old electric guitar in it's more familiar sounding territory without creating a serious vernacular faux-paux; when what-was-extreme becomes commonplace, upping-the-ante seems to be necessary. Am I just hanging with the wrong crowd? Or am I REALLY old-school? There's a part of me that actually likes to play R and B, Gospel, Blues, Jazz, Rock, Punk, Folk, ambient-looped-Fripp-influenced drones... But I can nearly guarantee you that if you liberally quote from any of these genres, you're out to lunch at any of the regular new-unusual-experimental series which are probably closer to where we belong than any rock club, rave or jazz gig. I'd feel really terrible if the music I REALLY like to play managed to offend EVERYONE?! (This might be a great achievement, but nonetheless... a hard one to live with.) If I decided to apply to Mills, UCSD, Cal Arts, CCAC, CNMAT or Stanford myself, would I magically discontinue quoting these genres and become something new-fangled? I believe I'd still want to find some juice in that old bottle, and continue referencing... (probably at further expense to my credibility). I'm bothered by the impression that I've got to discard my roots to become accepted in those circles. Am I misunderstanding something here? I'm sure there are those who might comment on whether I really have anything to say musically and that may certainly be a valid, if not much appreciated viewpoint. This probably seems less about you Ted, than it is about me... but I think we're in similar territory and wondering how to land on both feet, and hang with our peers. How to reinvent without discarding has become the real crux of the biscuit. Oh yeah... looping (remember that?) within this framework has it's own myriad of pitfalls! Hey! And I also wanted to compliment you on your recent release somwhere in all of this... I'm off to walk the dog... Best to all in 2002! -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 02:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00939; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:04:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:04:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:57:10 -0800 Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201030630.BAA30753@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >** and the "work and money" they could save by doing a little market research, >becomes promo copy recoupable monies that the artist(s) owe!!!! (read wasted >money all the way around) Actually, there's little to no interest in the research. Promo CDs act as de facto payola for writers/DJs/hipsters who don't get much in the way of salary, but can count on a few hundred each month tax-free, courtesy of the local used CD store. In the same way that one of the attractive qualities of money is that it's universally accepted and transferable, so do promo CDs act as a non-monetary form of exchange within the music world. Each CD might as well be a $5 bill, with no income tax attached. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 03:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02380; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:40:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:40:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C340B5B.43D9@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:42:20 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finding Local looping performances References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max valentino wrote: (yer cd) has been in my cd ..... Thankyou..for the record,"BASSCAPES" was recorded w/a Digitech RP-12 and the(sometimes maligned) Boomerang. Looking forward to hearing you again.. Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 03:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02491; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:45:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:38:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Thread-Index: AcGUKZ7L4p93vA+3RSWbchJxMS3diA== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA02305 Resent-Message-ID: <2t-DhC.A.Uk.5pAN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Behringer looks great but I plan use my repeater with edrums and already have a complex mess of pedals on the floor. Any recommended midi controller pedals that are more sophisticated than the simple 3 button foot pedal but less so (or at least smaller) than the Behringer? A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option too. Suggestions? TIA -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Alan Barnard [mailto:alan@barnardesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Hi, I would recommend the Behringer FCB1010 for use with the Repeater. It can send controller messages as well as program changes. It also has 2 expression pedals which can be set to control the output volume on the 1/2 & 3/4 stereo pairs - very nice. 5/PCs, 2/CCs, Note ON (for tap tempo) and the expression pedals can all be stacked in each preset. Musician's Friend has them for $129.95. Alan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 06:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18169; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c19449$06a6c240$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP- keeps on ticking. Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:23:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19405.F8373700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <3cqu8D.A.kXE.L6DN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19405.F8373700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wanted to comment on something that happened at a gig Sat night- as = I was packing up I had my rack at the edge of the stage- about 2 feet = off the ground- when the drummer tipped it over and it tumbled to the = floor and onto it's face- 2 of the knobs felt a little different but the = unit works perfectly-=20 What have I learned? If you let it sit it will get buggy- but if you = take it out for regular exercise it keeps it's sanity and stays regular = too! Om and good night. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19405.F8373700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just wanted to comment on something = that happened=20 at a gig Sat night- as I was packing up I had my rack at the edge of the = stage-=20 about 2 feet off the ground- when the drummer tipped it over and it = tumbled to=20 the floor and onto it's face- 2 of the knobs felt a little different but = the=20 unit works perfectly-
 
What have I learned? If you let it sit = it will get=20 buggy- but if you take it out for regular exercise it keeps it's = sanity and=20 stays regular too!
 
Om and good night.
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19405.F8373700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 10:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29709; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:37:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <43.45ed013.2965c523@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:30:59 EST Subject: Re: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bill.wolf@ness-usa.com writes: >A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option >too. peavey pc1600, midiman surface 1, doepfer regelwerk, etc. (i use the peavey). best, dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 10:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29803; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:39:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:39:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:33:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, I tried out the Rolls Midibuddy before purchasing the Behringer. It is a very simple, but limited design. It has 10 buttons, numbered 0 through 9 and a pair of bank change buttons. To operate, tap a pair of numbers and it sends the corresponding program change. This gets you all of the basic commands such as start, stop, record, choose track, mute track, etc. Works fine for these basic functions. Unfortunately, it will not send controller commands which severely limits your options. You can get them for next to nothing on E-Bay. Hope this helps, Alan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wolf, Bill [mailto:bill.wolf@ness-usa.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? > > > The Behringer looks great but I plan use my repeater with edrums and > already have a complex mess of pedals on the floor. Any recommended > midi controller pedals that are more sophisticated than the simple 3 > button foot pedal but less so (or at least smaller) than the Behringer? > A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option > too. > > Suggestions? > > TIA > -Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Barnard [mailto:alan@barnardesign.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? > > > Hi, > > I would recommend the Behringer FCB1010 for use with the Repeater. It > can > send controller messages as well as program changes. It also has 2 > expression pedals which can be set to control the output volume on the > 1/2 & > 3/4 stereo pairs - very nice. 5/PCs, 2/CCs, Note ON (for tap tempo) and > the > expression pedals can all be stacked in each preset. Musician's Friend > has > them for $129.95. > > Alan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 12:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05987; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:47:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:47:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:41:07 -0800 Subject: Re: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you can use something that's hand controlled, why not operate the Repeater from the front panel? It's all there. My problem with the Repeater and MIDI is that there's no visual feed back for..things like feedback. I wish it would switch it's display so you can see where you are. Mark On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 11:38 PM, Wolf, Bill wrote: > The Behringer looks great but I plan use my repeater with edrums and > already have a complex mess of pedals on the floor. Any recommended > midi controller pedals that are more sophisticated than the simple 3 > button foot pedal but less so (or at least smaller) than the Behringer? > A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option > too. > > Suggestions? > > TIA > -Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Barnard [mailto:alan@barnardesign.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? > > > Hi, > > I would recommend the Behringer FCB1010 for use with the Repeater. It > can > send controller messages as well as program changes. It also has 2 > expression pedals which can be set to control the output volume on the > 1/2 & > 3/4 stereo pairs - very nice. 5/PCs, 2/CCs, Note ON (for tap tempo) and > the > expression pedals can all be stacked in each preset. Musician's Friend > has > them for $129.95. > > Alan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 14:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16633; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:08:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:08:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048A2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:35:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19485.61EBF760" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19485.61EBF760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, there's little to no interest in the research. Promo CDs act as de facto payola for writers/DJs/hipsters who don't get much in the way of salary, but can count on a few hundred each month tax-free, courtesy of the local used CD store. In the same way that one of the attractive qualities of money is that it's universally accepted and transferable, so do promo CDs act as a non-monetary form of exchange within the music world. Each CD might as well be a $5 bill, with no income tax attached. ** right and in the end the artists who sell any discs at all will have that sort of thing count as recoupable costs against what they should've made. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19485.61EBF760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Ted's reviews...

Actually, there's little to no interest in the research.&= nbsp; Promo CDs act as
de facto payola for writers/DJs/hipsters who don't get m= uch in the way of
salary, but can count on a few hundred each month tax-fr= ee, courtesy of the
local used CD store.  In the same way that one of t= he attractive qualities
of money is that it's universally accepted and transfera= ble, so do promo CDs
act as a non-monetary form of exchange within the music = world.  Each CD
might as well be a $5 bill, with no income tax attached.=

** right and in the end the artists who sell any discs at= all will have that sort of thing count as recoupable costs against what th= ey should've made.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C19485.61EBF760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 14:46:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17362; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <60.18e75853.296607d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:15:37 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_60.18e75853.296607d9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_60.18e75853.296607d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/02 1:45:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, biffoz@pacbell.net writes: > but I think > we're in similar territory and wondering how to land on both feet, and hang > with our peers are we talkin about "peer pressure" here?.....i have even been thinkin that if i were to show up and play at a NY or mid west loopfest i might be asked to leave (too much melody, not noisy enuf, old school guitar, he doesn't even use an e-bow, he's balder than me!).....i sometimes think, we think too much.....i went to a "sonic roulette" this past sunday, had no idea who these people were but figured that it was kinda like those oblique stratagie thingies mentioned before on LD, also keep in mind, i never leave my house other than going to work.....so i figured why not take a walk on the wild side and only took my rang-fender champ-alesis air fx (with its several synthy patches), no guitar.....it was a gas because these folks (10 year old guitar players, women (yikes) playing pianos, a bunch of very open minded people) were into the JOY and FUN of making music/noise/sound.....there is nothing i would like more than having my music critiqued (reviewed) and perhaps have what i do validated by my "peers" or otoh perhaps give up music and become a photographer but as i said to luca, my music is becoming more self-indulgent and i like it, if you dont, i will try to get over it.....many ideas to mull over these last few weeks on LD, i am very thankful to be included on this list.....:)m --part1_60.18e75853.296607d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/02 1:45:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, biffoz@pacbell.net writes:


but I think
we're in similar territory and wondering how to land on both feet, and hang
with our peers


are we talkin about "peer pressure" here?.....i have even been thinkin that if i were to show up and play at a NY or mid west loopfest i might be asked to leave (too much melody, not noisy enuf, old school guitar, he doesn't even use an e-bow, he's balder than me!).....i sometimes think, we think too much.....i went to a "sonic roulette" this past sunday, had no idea who these people were but figured that it was kinda like those oblique stratagie thingies mentioned before on LD, also keep in mind, i never leave my house other than going to work.....so i figured why not take a walk on the wild side and only took my rang-fender champ-alesis air fx (with its several synthy patches), no guitar.....it was a gas because these folks (10 year old guitar players, women (yikes) playing pianos, a bunch of very open minded people) were into the JOY and FUN of making music/noise/sound.....there is nothing i would like more than having my music critiqued (reviewed) and perhaps have what i do validated by my "peers" or otoh perhaps give up music and become a photographer but as i said to luca, my music is becoming more self-indulgent and i like it, if you dont, i will try to get over it.....many ideas to mull over these last few weeks on LD, i am very thankful to be included on this list.....:)m
--part1_60.18e75853.296607d9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 15:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19073; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:57:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:57:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048A2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048A2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:51:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: Ted's reviews... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Actually, there's little to no interest in the research. Promo CDs act as >de facto payola for writers/DJs/hipsters who don't get much in the way of >salary, but can count on a few hundred each month tax-free, courtesy of the >local used CD store. In the same way that one of the attractive qualities >of money is that it's universally accepted and transferable, so do promo CDs >act as a non-monetary form of exchange within the music world. Each CD >might as well be a $5 bill, with no income tax attached. > >** right and in the end the artists who sell any discs at all will >have that sort of thing count as recoupable costs against what they >should've made. > >stig Yeah, ain't the music industry grand! I used to work at the local college radio station, as a jazz director, and also worked at a used record store, so I've seen this phenomenon from a few different angles. At the station, we'd get flooded by promos. We played strictly mainstream and avant garde jazz during the jazz programming, but the major labels would still Fedex us the new Kenny G. and Dave Koz discs overnight. We'd be continually pestered by radio reps for the crappiest labels, the really great indie labels could never afford to hire people to do radio promo. Unfortunately, the payola part of this doesn't work so well any more. Most record stores, at least around here, have gotten saturated by crap and aren't buying anything unknown anymore, especially from major labels. The book "Stiffed: A True Story of MCA, the Music Business and the Mob" is a really interesting read about this stuff, if you really want to see how sleazy it can be. I only wish I'd gotten in to radio in the '70's and early '80's when they were shipping packages of Coke in record sleeves to stations. Oh well :-) Another anecdote, while doing a web search on the Minus CD, I found it listed for sale used at a London store. I sent 3 promo copies to all of England, I wonder which it was. The funny thing was that the store listed it as "Rare Northwestern Prog/Psychedelia". Hey, I guess it was cool enough for them at least... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 15:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20799; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:12:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:12:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> References: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:56:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, i'd have to agree with you here... to upgrade the pod eprom, it's just 4 screws and something to pull the eprom out with...which interestingly enough...they provide you with if you purchase an upgrade chip. the fx modellers have the eprom stuck in there pretty damn far. you would have to remove the whole board from the unit. best, rich >There's upgrades for the POD things, >a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! >I just wish it had an adjustable fade! >and more time. >But i suppose for twice the money, >there's the repeater. > >So why am i typing this! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 15:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21686; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:32:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:32:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:25:35 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Miko! In a message dated 1/2/02 10:45:27 PM, biffoz@pacbell.net writes: >I've lately become confused (mostly) by the lumping together of odd >coalitions and factions around the bay area (and California). We've got >the BA-NEWMUSE list members comprised of many Mills faculty and students, >as well as a variety of real-time free-improv types. We've got the pfMENTUM >crew with Jeff Kaiser, and his many friends such as Steuart Liebig and Nels >Cline ... While I dearly love many from each faction, it's sometimes hard >to know where I fit into it all as well... I'm a bit confused too. Jeff and I both sort of began our current musical trajectories together in Southern California...ah...er... mumble mumble umpity years ago. In fact, via a mutual friend of ours he sort of "discovered" me and pushed me out into the spotlight (actually repeatedly, 'til I became comfortable doing it myself). I owe so much to Jeff and consider him a great life-time friend. But I really don't totally fit into his/their program either. I'm not a trained musician with multiple advanced degrees like he is. I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place. I really find myself out of my depth in such company. My only option is to resolutely be "me" musically/artistically and to try not to talk about it too much if I can. I AM relatively well educated, but my family background is very blue collar and very decidedly anti-intellectual. Maybe this is the source if my own internal conflict and confusion to some degree. >It seems that rhythm (groove-like) and melody (stated in anything other than >either a radical-outburst-noiseattack) seems to imply old-school-wankerism >in the player who commits these greivous errors. Dan Plonsey over on the >BA-Newmuse list recently posted similar thoughts on complete free-improv >and it's seeming narrow constraints. The rock vernacular has been quoted to >death everywhere... selling hamburgers; in kid's movies and video games... >it's a tough game trying to use good old electric guitar in it's more familiar >sounding territory without creating a serious vernacular faux-paux; when >what-was-extreme becomes commonplace, upping-the-ante seems to be >necessary. Well, it's a funny thing. You find allies in the oddest places. The tracks on my CD that actually have any sort of rhythmic "groove" were not intended for release. The CD was recorded during two 4-hour recording sessions on two consecutive days. I sort of get the "jitters" in a recording situation (more so than on stage). And the 'pieces" in question were meant to be warm-up exercises in order to get the fingers working and have a little musical "fun" in the process ... to loosen up in other words (and to exorcise any rock guitar cliche's from the system while I was at it). Well, these things got recorded anyway. And Jeff, who is one of those folks who seems to conspicuously avoid rhythm and melody at almost all costs, is the one who insisted on including them on the CD. Go figure. It goes to show that you just never know. >Am I just hanging with the wrong crowd? Or am I REALLY old-school? There's a >part of me that actually likes to play R and B, Gospel, Blues, Jazz, Rock, >Punk, Folk, ambient-looped-Fripp-influenced drones... But I can nearly >guarantee you that if you liberally quote from any of these genres, you're >out to lunch at any of the regular new-unusual-experimental series which are >probably closer to where we belong than any rock club, rave or jazz gig. I'd >feel really terrible if the music I REALLY like to play managed to offend >EVERYONE?! (This might be a great achievement, but nonetheless... a hard one >to live with.) Well, I began my own musical life as sort of an eccentric, electric Leo Kottke wannabe if you can believe it. That's still the sort of thing I play around the wife and kids at home (the technical fallout of which is that I still play with metal fingerpicks and bizarre tunings -- even when I'm being Mr. Avant Noismaker). I love all sorts of music and listen to a wide variety of things. But I don't (or can't) play a good deal of what I like. I have a special, strange fondness for old Herb Alpert and the TJB tunes. I can play spazzed-out covers of a couple of their hits. But, you won't catch me playing them around the pfMentum gang (to be sure) -- or much of anybody else for that matter. Talk about offending EVERYBODY? Indeed! That would just about do it. >If I decided to apply to Mills, UCSD, Cal Arts, CCAC, CNMAT or Stanford >myself, would I magically discontinue quoting these genres and become >something new-fangled? I believe I'd still want to find some juice in that >old bottle, and continue referencing... (probably at further expense to my >credibility). I'm bothered by the impression that I've got to discard my >roots to become accepted in those circles. Am I misunderstanding something >here? I'm sure there are those who might comment on whether I really have >anything to say musically and that may certainly be a valid, if not much >appreciated viewpoint. Well, a lot of us mistakenly go into Art school thinking we are going to learn how to do what we already know and love in a better and better way. What Arts education is actually all about involves the same end but they typically acomplish it by forcing us out of our comfort zones and into new and untried territories, new ways of seeing, hearing, thinking, being. Whether this winds up molding everything you do forever after in their image -- or merely coloring, shading and adding depth to it is our choice. >This probably seems less about you Ted, than it is about me... but I think >we're in similar territory and wondering how to land on both feet, and hang >with our peers. How to reinvent without discarding has become the real crux >of the biscuit. Oh yeah... looping (remember that?) within this framework >has it's own myriad of pitfalls! That's okay. It's great to read what find out what folks are thinking and wresling with on a deeper level than "Hey I've got (or wanna get) this or that piece of hardware/software. Can it do what I want it to do?" These questions ARE important. But there are whole lotta other things that make us who we are as musicians, loopers and human beings. And, you notice that I mostly wrote about myself to. A friend of mine (it might have even been Jeff Kaiser) once told me that all Art is nothing more than children calling to one another across a mud puddle and saying, "Hey everybody! Look at the mud pie I made!" >Hey! And I also wanted to compliment you on your recent release somwhere >in all of this... Thanks! Do you have a mud pie... er...CD (or other music posted or otherwise available out there in cyberspace)? I'd be interested in hearing it. I'm often surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared within the community of the LD list members (as far as I ever hear about it anyway) other than the LD CDs and the odd self-promotional message of confirmed egoists like myself. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:04:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22140; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:30:39 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C34BF6F.D4541B25@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish the DL4 had another bank of presets. This would keep me from having to bend over in public. Mike Killian rich wrote: > yeah, i'd have to agree with you here... > > to upgrade the pod eprom, it's just 4 screws and something to pull > the eprom out with...which interestingly enough...they provide you > with if you purchase an upgrade chip. > > the fx modellers have the eprom stuck in there pretty damn far. you > would have to remove the whole board from the unit. > > best, > > rich > > >There's upgrades for the POD things, > >a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! > >I just wish it had an adjustable fade! > >and more time. > >But i suppose for twice the money, > >there's the repeater. > > > >So why am i typing this! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22108; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:40:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:40:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:34:20 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ed01c19496$05ded760$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9b.20990412.2964e90b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > or: > ..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't be >... is this like having tea and no tea? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:06:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22194; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:43:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.11d471f6.29661acc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:36:28 EST Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <9LYgBC.A.RWF.VDMN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Dave! In a message dated 1/3/02 11:47:59 AM, improv@peak.org writes: >The book "Stiffed: A True Story of MCA, the Music Business and the >Mob" is a really interesting read about this stuff, if you really >want to see how sleazy it can be. I only wish I'd gotten in to radio >in the '70's and early '80's when they were shipping packages of Coke >in record sleeves to stations. Oh well :-) This should be required reading. I wonder if it's still in print! >Another anecdote, while doing a web search on the Minus CD, I found >it listed for sale used at a London store. I sent 3 promo copies to >all of England, I wonder which it was. The funny thing was that the >store listed it as "Rare Northwestern Prog/Psychedelia". Hey, I guess >it was cool enough for them at least... The Minus CD is VERY cool indeed (and so is Admiral Twinkle Devil, Dave's other project). I listen to both -- plus your live MP3s pretty often. Highly recommended by this reviewer!!!!! Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24215; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c19499$47143ba0$0101a8c0@workstation1> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <9b.20990412.2964e90b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4woREC.A.30F.3YMN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or he likes it and he takes it home without even spending a single word on it... I sent a cd to a magazine, and I never read a single line about it ... after a year or so I had a chance to talk to the guy I sent the cd to, and he told me 'Oh, yeah, I really liked that cd, it is in my room, just near my stereo...Ooops, did you sent it to the magazine I work to for a review?' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: Ted's reviews... > sl (?) said: > >just dread the day when a review arrives where the > >guy obviously does 'get it' but still thinks you're crap... :o) > or: > ..... when the reviewer doesn't 'get it' (whatever that means), but thinks > it's wonderful. > or: > ..... when the reviewer both 'gets it' *&* 'doesn't get it', but couldn't be > bothered to write about it, even though he/she got the disc for free --- > after which, he/she goes down to the local used cd-shop & *trades* it for > something else..... as if it was his/her property, to begin with. > (for more info on that last subject, please visit any underpaid dj at most > radio-stations in in america). > *-) > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24391; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:08:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:02:02 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014101c19499$e4b467e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000a01c193a0$78556f80$02000003@mpx.com.au> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interesting... has anyone hacked the code for these? i would love to add some bass pod functions to the guitar pod. i definitely don't want both on my pedalboard... ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 > yeah, i'd have to agree with you here... > > to upgrade the pod eprom, it's just 4 screws and something to pull > the eprom out with...which interestingly enough...they provide you > with if you purchase an upgrade chip. > > the fx modellers have the eprom stuck in there pretty damn far. you > would have to remove the whole board from the unit. > > best, > > rich > > > >There's upgrades for the POD things, > >a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! > >I just wish it had an adjustable fade! > >and more time. > >But i suppose for twice the money, > >there's the repeater. > > > >So why am i typing this! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24490; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:10:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:10:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:03:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2002 21:03:57.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[28AB8B90:01C1949A] Resent-Message-ID: <15hCXB.A.n4F.fdMN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I wish the DL4 had another bank of presets. This would keep me from >having to bend over in public. > >Mike Killian > I sympathize with this sentiment. As long as we're wishing - with the existing hardware (4 buttons), Line6 could implement bank selection method in software such as: 1. press button #1 to enter patch select mode (blinkenlight flashing) 2. enter your patch selection by pressing any of the other three buttons (eight possible combinations including none pressed) 3. press button #1 again to confirm patch selection and abandon bank select mode (blink off) And so on and so forth for each of the 4 buttons. In other words, the first button press is your bank select (4 banks), the next presses your patch select (8 each) is 32 possible patches. (Now if only there were also a way to get the patches in there in the first place....hmmm) Only requires software implementation, and users comfortable in binary numbering. (The alternative: keep only customers comfortable with bending over in public:-) Sorry, couldn't help it.... All the best, Nic >rich wrote: > > > yeah, i'd have to agree with you here... > > > > to upgrade the pod eprom, it's just 4 screws and something to pull > > the eprom out with...which interestingly enough...they provide you > > with if you purchase an upgrade chip. > > > > the fx modellers have the eprom stuck in there pretty damn far. you > > would have to remove the whole board from the unit. > > > > best, > > > > rich > > > > >There's upgrades for the POD things, > > >a shame there ain't one 4 the DL4! > > >I just wish it had an adjustable fade! > > >and more time. > > >But i suppose for twice the money, > > >there's the repeater. > > > > > >So why am i typing this! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:14:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26519; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:46:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:46:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020103213923.23845.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: FlowRadio (and other stuff) To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, On another list, I was asked about my radio show, and I thought I should forward my reply to the Loopers list. I haven't told y'all about my show, and thought I should. I also want to say that although I've only been on this list for a short time, it has been a wonderful discovery. I really appreciate that Looper's Delight is a supportive community of musicians who encourage and inspire each other. As a fellow musician, I've been looking for this kind of community for years! I have learned so much from all of you in a short time. And many of you have been generous in e-mailing me offlist to answer some of my questions. Today, I finally made the plunge and ordered my first looper: the much-balyhooed Repeater. The numerous threads on this list helped me decide to dive into all this. Thanks to you all, and Happy New Year! Mary Jane > My show is not truly ambient. However, I often > include ambient artists in my playlists. My > show > is called FlowRadio, and it airs 6-8pm CST > every > Sunday on Memphis' WEVL-FM90 > (http://www.wevl.org). You can tune in online, > if > you are interested through the station's Web > site. But please keep in mind that ambient is > only one aspect of what I play. I do not > subscribe to any single genre. Here's how I > usually describe my show: an eclectic blend of > textures, soundscapes, occasional beats, > expansive ambience, sometimes songwriters, and > lovely voices (and who knows what else?). I > have > but one rule: It must all "flow." As I said in > my > last post, some weeks, my show is more ambient, > some weeks more beaty, sometimes songwriters or > small ensembles or orchestral pieces or > instrumental solos. I think I'm becoming an > anarchist toward genre definitions in music. > > Please feel free to tune in and let me know > your > thoughts, impressions, suggestions, etc. > Lately, > I've been on a bit of a campaign to find new > music and artists that I haven't heard before, > and this list has helped me. WEVL is a small > independent station that's been around for > about > 25 years. The wonderful thing about independent > radio is that we can expose other people to > music > they might never hear anywhere else. If you're > an > artist, please let me know--especially if you > have music on a Web site that I can listen to. > I > love indy music. > > In addition, I used to play bass in a reggae > band > an eon ago, and I'm slowly wiping the dust off > my > gear and trying to get back into creating > again. > > All the best to everyone for 2002! > > Mary Jane Adams > > PS: My motto for FlowRadio: "There's a big > difference between being in a rut and being in > a > groove..." If I feel like I'm getting in a rut, > I'll ususally get into a groove (Bill Laswell > has > long been an inspiration). > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:41:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28495; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:13:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:13:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: Repeater Hiss Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c194a2$79bac2a0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C19478.90E4BAA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <60.18e75853.296607d9@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C19478.90E4BAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Question for the People Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? 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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C19478.90E4BAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:54:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29386; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:30:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c194a5$58d45670$7387abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:24:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: > I'm often > surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared > within the community of the LD list members (as far as I ever hear about it > anyway) I absolutely agree with this. It is strange the thing I miss the more here is music. I have partecipated in 3 CT Collective cds and I am often going back to listen to them looking for the music of the people I read the messages here. This helps me to understand more about them and also makes me feel better because, although it seems we are all very close in our comments in music making (techniques, instruments, common musical roots,...), it is very nice to notice how we are expressing music in so many different ways. This is good, there should be more chances to listen to each other. luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29829; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:40:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:40:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020103142741.00b7c5d0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:32:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: OT: Outlook email (was Re: Repeater Hiss) In-Reply-To: <001001c194a2$79bac2a0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> References: <60.18e75853.296607d9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow - over 4000 bytes for 197 characters! Thanks Microsoft! At 05:03 PM 2002/01/03 -0500, you wrote: >Question for the People > > > >Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is this a >common issue? > >It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops > >Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:30:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00449; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:05:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020103142741.00b7c5d0@mail.mindspring.com> References: <001001c194a2$79bac2a0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> <60.18e75853.296607d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:00:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: OT: Outlook email (was Re: Repeater Hiss) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back in the day, any techie would chew off her/his left foot before publicly releasing non-functional code strings like " " ... >Wow - over 4000 bytes for 197 characters! Thanks Microsoft! > > >At 05:03 PM 2002/01/03 -0500, you wrote: > >>Question for the People >> >> >> >>Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is this a >>common issue? >> >>It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops >> >>Thanks --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00815; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:07:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do you have it setup? Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: christopher white > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2002 2:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater Hiss > > Question for the People > > Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is this a > common issue? > It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops > Thanks > c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:42:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00980; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:18:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C34F475.91DE0684@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:16:53 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... References: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> <002f01c194a5$58d45670$7387abd4@giow2000> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i usually follow links that folks include with their messages, and have amassed a huge folder of "Loopers Stuff". There is allot of great stuff out there, I think I have enjoyed, been educated by (or both) almost everything I have heard from list members. it is there, but sometimes you need to do some poking around... dont forget this link! http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all later, -jas http://www.zebox.com/artists/dimbulb.html PS: Absolutly Last Call for Loopers TShirts... I am putting the Last and FINAL order in Tomorrow! If you are interested you better contact my offlist really quick-like... jfink@cabq.gov > From: > > I'm often > > surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared > > within the community of the LD list members (snip) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:53:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01694; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:29:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:29:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:22:16 -0500 Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201032241.RAA29903@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092926936_540975_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <3g2uP.A.kT.JfON8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092926936_540975_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Interesting thread this is turning into. I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place. I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in music. It's so contrary to the reasons I got into music and creativity in the first place -- namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreamself beyond my rational mind, etc . . . At my healthiest, I know that I do music for myself and for those who naturally respond to what I have to say. At my most insecure, I worry about how I'll be labelled and received -- my particular nightmare is to be dismissed as a "new age" artist. --MS_Mac_OE_3092926936_540975_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit...</TITLE= > </HEAD> <BODY> <BLOCKQUOTE>Interesting thread this is turning into.  <BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4">I have no <BR> particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is <BR> particularly <BR> well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what= I <BR> play <BR> </FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4">really comes= from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place.<BR> </FONT></FONT><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I love this comment.  I really have no patience for ideol= ogy in music.  It's so contrary to the reasons I got into music and cre= ativity in the first place -- namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreams= elf beyond my rational mind, etc . . .<BR> At my  healthiest, I know that I do music for myself and for those who= naturally respond to what I have to say.  At my most insecure, I worry= about how I'll be labelled and received -- my particular nightmare is to be= dismissed as a "new age" artist.   </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3092926936_540975_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 19:42:45 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05524; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:19:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <magicicada@charter.net> From: "christopher white" <magicicada@charter.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:09:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c194b4$19fed600$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <FBFDDCD15C6DD311B8B500508B4ABE3DDB22A5@IVLMail.ivl.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <HgNmaD.A.RSB.5NPN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have it in the aux sends of my Mackie 1604. But it seems even when I turn the input on the Repeater down all the way I can still here some hiss, so I do not think it is my auxes. Thanks for sending the instruction booklet btw!!! Regards, c.white -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Drouin (Electrix) [mailto:Jamie@Electrixpro.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:07 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss How do you have it setup? Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: christopher white > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2002 2:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater Hiss > > Question for the People > > Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is this a > common issue? > It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops > Thanks > c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:13:47 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07242; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:47:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <Jamie@Electrixpro.com> Message-ID: <FBFDDCD15C6DD311B8B500508B4ABE3DDB22AA@IVLMail.ivl.ca> From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" <Jamie@Electrixpro.com> To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:40:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <YCaTS.A.WtB.HoPN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Christopher, By 'input' do you mean that you have all four track sliders turned down as well and still hear noise? Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: christopher white > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2002 4:09 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss > > I have it in the aux sends of my Mackie 1604. > But it seems even when I turn the input on the Repeater down all the way > I can still here some hiss, so I do not think it is my auxes. > Thanks for sending the instruction booklet btw!!! > Regards, > c.white > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Drouin (Electrix) [mailto:Jamie@Electrixpro.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:07 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Repeater Hiss > > How do you have it setup? > > Best, Jamie. > > > Jamie Drouin > Visual Designer > Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd > 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... > 250-544-4114 > > > > > ---------- > > From: christopher white > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2002 2:03 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Repeater Hiss > > > > Question for the People > > > > Have any of you noticed a bit of hiss coming from your repeater? Is > this a > > common issue? > > It can be slightly intrusive for very quite loops > > Thanks > > c.white > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:28:59 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09237; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:03:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:03:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <KILLINFO@aol.com> From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <66.19d51670.296657e4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:57:08 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <EpcB3C.A.64B.p3PN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. Chook (?) In a message dated 1/2/02 2:54:23 PM, _dfx@hotkey.net.au writes: ><HEAD></HEAD> > ><iframe src=cid:EA4DMGBP9p height=0 width=0> > ></iframe> Hi there! I have no idea what your e-mail attachment was. I was able to download it but could not open it. Perhaps it's due to my being on a Macintosh... or maybe bein on AOL. Is there any other way to receive it? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:59:11 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10921; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:35:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:35:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net> From: "Gary Lehmann" <healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: A negative review for 2002 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:29:21 -0800 Message-ID: <LOBBLELOPJEFONCNJBGNGEJBLLAA.healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <66.19d51670.296657e4@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <CWw5_C.A.bmC.jVQN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 Mr. Chook (?) In a message dated 1/2/02 2:54:23 PM, _dfx@hotkey.net.au writes: ><HEAD></HEAD> > ><iframe src=cid:EA4DMGBP9p height=0 width=0> > ></iframe> Hi there! I have no idea what your e-mail attachment was. I was able to download it but could not open it. Perhaps it's due to my being on a Macintosh... or maybe bein on AOL. Is there any other way to receive it? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 21:25:35 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13953; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nicroozeboom@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" <nicroozeboom@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Re: Chook (was: A negative review for 2002) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:55:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F124AC5GqgP9DWKq6Lq000160a8@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 01:55:11.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8807CB0:01C194C2] Resent-Message-ID: <KvNxzB.A.wBD.euQN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr or Mrs Chook's attachment was a (known) virus. The virus scanner in Hotmail caught and recognized it. Best to throw it away and block the sender. Best regards, Nic >From: KILLINFO@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:57:08 EST > >Mr. Chook (?) > >In a message dated 1/2/02 2:54:23 PM, _dfx@hotkey.net.au writes: > > ><HEAD></HEAD> > > > ><iframe src=cid:EA4DMGBP9p height=0 width=0> > > > ></iframe> > >Hi there! > >I have no idea what your e-mail attachment was. >I was able to download it but could not open it. >Perhaps it's due to my being on a Macintosh... >or maybe bein on AOL. Is there any other way to >receive it? > >Best, > >Ted Killian > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 21:33:44 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14323; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:08:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:08:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <sine@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: <3C350D0C.3F0A348E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:01:41 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... References: <B85A51D8.220E%stevesandberg@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <H2xgyD.A.WaD.V0QN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would that not be an ideology of primitivism? Choosing not to choose is still making a choice. It's how art critics make a living. To name is to maim. Mark Sottilaro Steve Sandberg wrote: > > > Interesting thread this is turning into. > > > I have no > particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is > particularly > well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about > what I > play > > really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) > place. > > > I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in > music. It's so contrary to the reasons I got into music and > creativity in the first place -- namely, joy, connecting with the > larger dreamself beyond my rational mind, etc . . . > At my healthiest, I know that I do music for myself and for those who > naturally respond to what I have to say. At my most insecure, I worry > about how I'll be labelled and received -- my particular nightmare is > to be dismissed as a "new age" artist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 22:35:08 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17938; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> Message-ID: <3C351BD2.5000606@surplustech.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:04:50 -0600 From: David Jeter <dbjeter@surplustech.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAM MAN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <IHUXXC.A.SUE.NvRN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition, with foot pedal. Any laying around? It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in conjunction with his drums. Thanks, David Jeter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 23:27:33 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20924; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <roguemus@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <3C33D5B3.2F97EAF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:53:23 -0500 From: roguemus <roguemus@ix.netcom.com> Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JAM MAN References: <3C351BD2.5000606@surplustech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Apparently-From: Beaniesandmusic@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <2WOKf.A.0xE.SgSN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't have one at the moment, we will let you know when we do Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC David Jeter wrote: > I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition, with > foot pedal. Any laying around? > > It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in conjunction > with his drums. > > Thanks, > > David Jeter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 23:36:26 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21221; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:12:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:12:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <KILLINFO@aol.com> From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <129.a4a12ed.29668432@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:06:10 EST Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <DwoABB.A.hIF.SpSN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark & Steve, In a message dated 1/3/02 6:03:12 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Would that not be an ideology of primitivism? Choosing not to choose is >still making a choice. It's how art critics make a living. To name is >to maim. > >Mark Sottilaro > >Steve Sandberg wrote: > >>Interesting thread this is turning into. >> >> I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. >> Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how >> I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, >> very naive (not to say primitive) place. >> >> I love this comment. As the quoted person in question I'd probably say no, not primitivism, just naivete. I'm still just a doofus who hasn't figgered anything out yet. There is a certain sense of inadequacy and failure (if not shame) connected to it -- like maybe I really should have some sort of grand, sophisticated raison d'etre for what I'm doing by now (I'm 48 for gosh sakes) and I don't. I'm just doing it because it somehow satisfies some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives me to do it again. The same impulse seems to drive my visual artmaking as well. I do not have words for it. I sure wish did. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 00:04:50 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22378; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:39:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:39:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <dbjeter@surplustech.com> Message-ID: <021901c194d8$e11ceaa0$6401a8c0@dj> From: "David Jeter" <dbjeter@surplustech.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <3C351BD2.5000606@surplustech.com> <3C33D5B3.2F97EAF@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: JAM MAN Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:32:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <niZ5-B.A.SYF.UBTN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. David Jeter ----- Original Message ----- From: roguemus <roguemus@ix.netcom.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: Re: JAM MAN > Don't have one at the moment, we will let you know when we do > > Dick Michaels > Rogue Music NYC > > David Jeter wrote: > > > I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition, with > > foot pedal. Any laying around? > > > > It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in conjunction > > with his drums. > > > > Thanks, > > > > David Jeter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 00:40:39 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24941; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:17:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:17:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <magicicada@charter.net> From: "christopher white" <magicicada@charter.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: AKAi HeadRush Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:07:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c194dd$bb32dac0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <021901c194d8$e11ceaa0$6401a8c0@dj> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <P6Z1O.A._BG.TlTN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an Akai headrush for sale dead mint in the box for 140. Regards c.white -----Original Message----- From: David Jeter [mailto:dbjeter@surplustech.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JAM MAN Thanks. David Jeter ----- Original Message ----- From: roguemus <roguemus@ix.netcom.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: Re: JAM MAN > Don't have one at the moment, we will let you know when we do > > Dick Michaels > Rogue Music NYC > > David Jeter wrote: > > > I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition, with > > foot pedal. Any laying around? > > > > It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in conjunction > > with his drums. > > > > Thanks, > > > > David Jeter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 01:13:55 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26830; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <biffoz@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:45:06 -0800 From: Miko Biffle <biffoz@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001801c194e2$f6a34720$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <okuks.A.VdG.FEUN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Miko! Yo Ted! >> I've lately become confused (mostly) by the lumping together of odd coalitions and factions around the bay area (and California). We've got the BA-NEWMUSE list members comprised of many Mills faculty and students, as well as a variety of real-time free-improv types. We've got the pfMENTUM crew with Jeff Kaiser, and his many friends such as Steuart Liebig and Nels Cline ... While I dearly love many from each faction, it's sometimes hard to know where I fit into it all as well... > I'm a bit confused too. Jeff and I both sort of began our current musical trajectories together in Southern California...ah...er... mumble mumble umpty years ago. In fact, via a mutual friend of ours he sort of "discovered" me and pushed me out into the spotlight (actually repeatedly, 'til I became comfortable doing it myself). I owe so much to Jeff and consider him a great life-time friend. But I really don't totally fit into his/their program either. I'm not a trained musician with multiple advanced degrees like he is. I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place. I really find myself out of my depth in such company. My only option is to resolutely be "me" musically/artistically and to try not to talk about it too much if I can. I AM relatively well educated, but my family background is very blue collar and very decidedly anti-intellectual. Maybe this is the source if my own internal conflict and confusion to some degree. I somehow managed to avoid college myself, and travelled about playing folk music, then reacting against it, and playing lunar space music. Total pendulum movements from one extreme to the other. I've learned a great deal about Jeff from Stig, and benefitted much from Stig's encouragement as well. Those pfMentum guys are gosh-darn nice guys! (Not to mention being one of Nels biggest fans! I'm so stoked there's someone throwing *that much* at the wall and managing to make it stick! I'm actually really grateful... ) > ...... The tracks on my CD that actually have any sort of rhythmic "groove" were not intended for release. The CD was recorded during two 4-hour recording sessions on two consecutive days. I sort of get the "jitters" in a recording situation (more so than on stage). And the 'pieces" in question were meant to be warm-up exercises in order to get the fingers working and have a little musical "fun" in the process ... to loosen up in other words (and to exorcise any rock guitar cliche's from the system while I was at it). Well, these things got recorded anyway. And Jeff, who is one of those folks who seems to conspicuously avoid rhythm and melody at almost all costs, is the one who insisted on including them on the CD. Go figure. It goes to show that you just never know. Thank goodness for producers?! I sometimes think that maybe they pick stuff they would like to have released, but HAD THE SENSE NOT TO! *-/ (Really... just joking here... I'm sure Jeff picked his faves!) It IS great to have someone to oversee things. > Well, I began my own musical life as sort of an eccentric, electric Leo Kottke wannabe if you can believe it. That's still the sort of thing I play around the wife and kids at home (the technical fallout of which is that I still play with metal fingerpicks and bizarre tunings -- even when I'm being Mr. Avant Noismaker). Good grief! We ARE very much alike... I'm a total closet folk junkie... I know piles of Martin Carthy stuff (correct tunings etc.) Nick Drake... I've written my share in this genre as well. Someday I'll find a way to reconcile it with my space/chaos musical self and merge it together into something sublime... (One can hope?) > I love all sorts of music and listen to a wide variety of things. But I don't (or can't) play a good deal of what I like. I have a special, strange fondness for old Herb Alpert and the TJB tunes. I can play spazzed-out covers of a couple of their hits. But, you won't catch me playing them around the pfMentum gang (to be sure) -- or much of anybody else for that matter. Talk about offending EVERYBODY? Indeed! That would just about do it. I sometimes believe that I'm doomed to actually really have to include all my various tangents into a crazy hodgepodge... In fact, that might be where the real art lies? Just being honest and disciplined enough to make sure *nothing* gets left out... (Including the zany Herb Alpert and Persuasive Percussion stuff.) >> If I decided to apply to Mills, UCSD, Cal Arts, CCAC, CNMAT or Stanford myself, would I magically discontinue quoting these genres and become something new-fangled? I believe I'd still want to find some juice in that old bottle, and continue referencing... (probably at further expense to my credibility). > Well, a lot of us mistakenly go into Art school thinking we are going to learn how to do what we already know and love in a better and better way. What Arts education is actually all about involves the same end but they typically acomplish it by forcing us out of our comfort zones and into new and untried territories, new ways of seeing, hearing, thinking, being. Whether this winds up molding everything you do forever after in their image -- or merely coloring, shading and adding depth to it is our choice. I'm probably just being a little resentful of the actual opportunities to do that sort of stretching (which I have zero time for myself, with a family, mortgage and... NO JOB!) My wife went to CCAC and we were up there in Berkeley '92-'95 and I certainly understood what I had MISSED. So I'm trying to do it the cyber-way, with people like Stig and you and the head-expanding community we have here at LD. I'm so grateful we're all here swapping stuff so readily! It's truly amazing. > ....... It's great to read what find out what folks are thinking and wrestling with on a deeper level than "Hey I've got (or wanna get) this or that piece of hardware/software. Can it do what I want it to do?" These questions ARE important. But there are whole lotta other things that make us who we are as musicians, loopers and human beings. And, you notice that I mostly wrote about myself to. A friend of mine (it might have even been Jeff Kaiser) once told me that all Art is nothing more than children calling to one another across a mud puddle and saying, "Hey everybody! Look at the mud pie I made!" I like that... I just want to throw some mud and have fun too! >> Hey! And I also wanted to compliment you on your recent release somwhere in all of this... > Thanks! Do you have a mud pie... er...CD (or other music posted or otherwise available out there in cyberspace)? I'd be interested in hearing it. I'm often surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared within the community of the LD list members (as far as I ever hear about it anyway) other than the LD CDs and the odd self-promotional message of confirmed egoists like myself. Best, Ted Killian Well... several of us on the list initially created a 'Chain Tape' which became a 4 cd set, and we formed the Chain Tape Collective. There's a whole boatload of stuff we've compiled into 'themed' cds. I've got 3 or 5 tracks hanging around in that pile, but truthfully, I've caved on pushing my own freakin' "Lounge" project! It's at... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CT-Collective Life just keeps charging at me, with the job and all my other distractions. (Not making excuses here... I also love to skateboard, and have resumed an active slalom racing schedule embarrasingly enough! So life is full to the brim and I'm just slower than most... ) > As the quoted person in question I'd probably say no, not primitivism, just naivete. I'm still just a doofus who hasn't figgered anything out yet. There is a certain sense of inadequacy and failure (if not shame) connected to it -- like maybe I really should have some sort of grand, sophisticated raison d'etre for what I'm doing by now (I'm 48 for gosh sakes) and I don't. I'm just doing it because it somehow satisfies some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives me to do it again. The same impulse seems to drive my visual artmaking as well. I do not have words for it. I sure wish did. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 02:43:12 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32738; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <biffoz@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:14:16 -0800 From: Miko Biffle <biffoz@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001d01c194ef$6b7e04c0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29.2070550d.2966183f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <fZKxP.A.U7H.rXVN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Miko! Hey there Ted! >> I've lately become confused (mostly) by the lumping together of odd coalitions and factions around the bay area (and California). We've got the BA-NEWMUSE list members comprised of many Mills faculty and students, as well as a variety of real-time free-improv types. We've got the pfMENTUM crew with Jeff Kaiser, and his many friends such as Steuart Liebig and Nels Cline ... While I dearly love many from each faction, it's sometimes hard to know where I fit into it all as well... > I'm a bit confused too. Jeff and I both sort of began our current musical trajectories together in Southern California...ah...er... mumble mumble umpity years ago. In fact, via a mutual friend of ours he sort of "discovered" me and pushed me out into the spotlight (actually repeatedly, 'till I became comfortable doing it myself). I owe so much to Jeff and consider him a great life-time friend. But I really don't totally fit into his/their program either. I'm not a trained musician with multiple advanced degrees like he is. I have no particular agenda, no artistic philosophy for what I do. Nothing is particularly well thought out at all. What I play, how I play and how I think about what I play really comes from a very, very naive (not to say primitive) place. I really find myself out of my depth in such company. My only option is to resolutely be "me" musically/artistically and to try not to talk about it too much if I can. I AM relatively well educated, but my family background is very blue collar and very decidedly anti-intellectual. Maybe this is the source if my own internal conflict and confusion to some degree. First commonality... Southern California! I somehow managed to avoid college and wandered off playing folk music, then reacting against that and going off into space-noise land... I waffle back and forth to this day... total pendulum effect... I've yet to somehow merge the two polarities into anything cohesive. Maybe someday. That's great having Jeff pushing you onward... I have Stig here to thank for much of my mental and musical boundary pushing! Hey... those pfMentum guys really *are* nice (if not over-educated) guys! 8-) And I'm such a Nels Cline fan! I'm actually really grateful that he's out there throwing SO much at the wall, and getting it to stick! Makes it easier on the rest of us... >> It seems that rhythm (groove-like) and melody (stated in anything other than either a radical-outburst-noiseattack) seems to imply old-school-wankerism in the player who commits these grievous errors. Dan Plonsey over on the BA-Newmuse list recently posted similar thoughts on complete free-improv and it's narrow constraints. > ..... The tracks on my CD that actually have any sort of rhythmic "groove" were not intended for release. The CD was recorded during two 4-hour recording sessions on two consecutive days. I sort of get the "jitters" in a recording situation (more so than on stage). And the 'pieces" in question were meant to be warm-up exercises in order to get the fingers working and have a little musical "fun" in the process ... to loosen up in other words (and to exorcise any rock guitar clich's from the system while I was at it). Well, these things got recorded anyway. And Jeff, who is one of those folks who seems to conspicuously avoid rhythm and melody at almost all costs, is the one who insisted on including them on the CD. Go figure. It goes to show that you just never know. Ah yes... the producer! I sometimes get the feeling that they actually pick pieces they wouldn't dare put on *their* releases, but like anyway. (just joking, but there IS a ring of truth there maybe?) > ...... I began my own musical life as sort of an eccentric, electric Leo Kottke wannabe if you can believe it. That's still the sort of thing I play around the wife and kids at home (the technical fallout of which is that I still play with metal fingerpicks and bizarre tunings -- even when I'm being Mr. Avant Noismaker). Second: Folk music... Wow Ted... I'm a total closet folk junkie! Martin Carthy, Nick Drake, Leonard Cohen, Leo, Fahey etc.... I've written quite a pile of acoustic guitar instrumental stuff as well as with voice... I'm thinking that maybe just doing them with solo electric guitar might not be such a bad idea? > I love all sorts of music and listen to a wide variety of things. But I don't (or can't) play a good deal of what I like. I have a special, strange fondness for old Herb Alpert and the TJB tunes. I can play spazzed-out covers of a couple of their hits. But, you won't catch me playing them around the pfMentum gang (to be sure) -- or much of anybody else for that matter. Talk about offending EVERYBODY? Indeed! That would just about do it. Third: Zany influences... I get the strange feeling that I'm doomed to be forced to include all my various tangents into some huge hodgepodge. That may be where the real art lies? To be disciplined AND honest enough to force oneself to include *every last influence* in a huge trash-compacted style to be true to oneself. > Well, a lot of us mistakenly go into Art school thinking we are going to learn how to do what we already know and love in a better and better way. What Arts education is actually all about involves the same end but they typically accomplish it by forcing us out of our comfort zones and into new and untried territories, new ways of seeing, hearing, thinking, being. Whether this winds up molding everything you do forever after in their image -- or merely coloring, shading and adding depth to it is our choice. Ok... I give... I do realize it's about stretching boundaries. And maybe I'm a little set in my ways! I'm so jealous *now* of those who actually have the time to go to art school! I'm trying to achieve a degree of that now following 'the cyber way'... bouncing ideas off everyone here and collaborating etc. What puts me off though is the feeling that I'm just plain NOT going to play with most of those guys, because I'm somehow more derivative and less edumacated. I'm probably just being paranoid... (lurking wampeters... I can actually count my blessings!) Maybe we'll all get down to the Central Cali Loop Fest and hear each other there. I'm trying to get it on my calendar, but embarrassingly enough, I've actively resumed racing skateboards and am busily penciling in events I'm going to be racing at in the upcoming 2002 season... Very strange for a 48 year old. Fourth: Age... Hey I'm old (48) too! So... to throw another tangent into the mix. I had the wonderful opportunity to be included in music events up at Mount Madonna Center, rounding up their huge yearly yoga retreat. I was in the pit band for a play "Renouncement" as well as their New Years eve program the following night, and got to play with Steve Oda (sp?), an amazing Sarod player. It turned out that he either is or was the director up at the Ali Akbar Khan college in Marin. It was so humbling to hear Steve and other Indian trad musicians sing play... a Bansuri player named Sanjay and several others. Now I want to learn some Sarod and Indian music... Do I have time? NO... but I'm probably gonna be trying to hang out with those guys a bit more and soak it up. I'm wondering what a decent student Sarod might cost? ObLoopItem: I DID integrate looping both evenings... > ....... A friend of mine (it might have even been Jeff Kaiser) once told me that all Art is nothing more than children calling to one another across a mud puddle and saying, "Hey everybody! Look at the mud pie I made!" Hey! I want to throw mud too! You betcha... >>Hey! And I also wanted to compliment you on your recent release somewhere in all of this... > Thanks! Do you have a mud pie... er...CD (or other music posted or otherwise available out there in cyberspace)? I'd be interested in hearing it. I'm often surprised that comparatively little music itself gets exchanged or shared within the community of the LD list members (as far as I ever hear about it anyway) other than the LD CDs and the odd self-promotional message of confirmed egoists like myself. Well... a bunch of us from the list decided to do a chain tape, and ended up with a 4 cd set... we then formed the Chain Tape Collective http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CT-Collective where we propose projects. Then there's the Loop Exchange at http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html where I and 62 others have several tracks in various locations. (We've really grown!) I have to say I seem to have caved in (or many of us have) and haven't pushed forward on our latest projects, mine being of a "Lounge" theme. Maybe you want to dust of some of those top-secret Tijuana Brass fetish licks and send me a track! Maybe 2002 will bring us back on track... I still hit 'record' from time to time, and now have a computer DAW... The studio is partly in disarray, but I'll get it more set up and crank out more stuff. I've just purchased a printer to put labels on cd's etc.! I will be back!!!! > Best, Ted Killian So very nice talking with you too! -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 04:03:49 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03923; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:40:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:40:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <lists@collective.co.uk> Message-ID: <001201c194fa$68eecd60$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" <lists@collective.co.uk> To: "Loopers-Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Reaktor Headrush Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:32:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <A6JM.A.A5.6iWN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For all you Reaktor users: I've uploaded to the user area on the NI website an emulation of a Headrush pedal. Interface is the same (two buttons). Max loop time limited only by your computer's RAM! I've gone for a straight emulation to start with, but plan to add more features soon e.g. - record straight into overdub - reverse record/playback - variable speed playback cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.burningshed.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 05:36:18 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12003; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:12:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:12:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:05:23 +0000 Subject: Ideology in looping? From: Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: <B85B2B7F.46A8%steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <lQw4J.A.63C.D6XN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in music. It's so contrary to the reasons I got into music and creativity in the first place -- namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreamself beyond my rational mind, etc . . .<<< But having 'no patience' is an ideological stand-point.. :o) You've apparently chosen to dismiss on grounds of ideology the work, or at least the methods of some other musicians, which puts you in a similar camp to them, it would seem... I suspect that you're going to clarify this - as I've said very similar things before, only to realise that it wasn't read how I intended it to sound. For the record, I try to not be affected by the various 'schools' of improv/looping or whaever inasmuch as they impose limitations on what you can do (the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisation is surely a misnomer, no? though I suspect that the explaination would be that adherence to strict western metric rhythmic forms and melodic structures was not expressing freedom but rather pedaling the western musical hedgemonic paradigm or something... :o) It is then quite a struggle to enjoy the music of people with whom you have ideological differences, especially when they are as strongly expressed as some (whether it be the extreme sectors of the free community, or the Burns/Marsalis brigade) - Having heard Derek Bailey wax lyrical on the subject of improv, I felt like I was being picked on for playing tunes (iit was on a TV show, so I very much doubt that he had me in mind, particularly as it was recorded before I started playing solo!!! :o) It doesn't stop me enjoying some of his music (though the only time I've ever seen him live was perhaps the most godawful cacophany that I've ever had the misfortune to be in the same room as - none of his usual expressive weirdness, just three blokes twatting about with a laptop, turntables and a guitar... I thought it was just me until the review in the Wire said the same thing, and anecdotally I heard that Derek wasn't mad keen on the evening either... :o) it makes it easier when I hear that he's a really really nice guy in person, I guess... :o) meeting people with a genuinely open approach to improv - be it groovalicious melodicism or just good ole' fashioned weird shit - is really liberating. The Vibist Orphy Robinson is one of the most open musicians I've ever spoken to/played with (though the playing was a theatre gig, so no room for improv there...) - he just loves music. Same goes for playing with Rick Walker and Michael Manring on the Solo Bass Looping tour last year - we went all over the shop, some of it was sublime, some was rather silly, some funny, some scary, but almost all ideas were followed to their conclusions, or subverted in some cool way. The tension between our different approaches to music was open and creative not stifling and limiting... So if you want to grow a mullet, put on white baseball boots and a Megadeth T-shirt and shred to your hearts content, or alternatively play pan-pipe sounds on a Korg M1 over loops of sea noises, great, go ahead. I may not choose to listen to it, but I'll defend your right to do it and have fun... :o) ...And if you come and see me on my California tour, I promise lots of tunes, some funkiness, a few different keys, lots of mellowness, hopefully something that will make you laugh, maybe a little strangeness and that it won't be too loud and the drummer won't try and hit on you or your wife ('cos there won't be one) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk - updated gig details for CA and France here... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 05:55:51 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12806; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:30:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:30:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <PMimlitsch@aol.com> From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <189.16a18ed.2966dcc6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:24:06 EST Subject: Fwd: Tonight "Adelante"@The Adrienne Theatre, Philadelphia PA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_189.16a18ed.2966dcc6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <o21j_B.A.WCD.bLYN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_189.16a18ed.2966dcc6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << Adelante will be performing at the Adrienne Theatre Friday January 4th 2002@8:00pm Location: The Adrienne Theatre 2nd Stage 2030 Sansom Street Philadelphia, PA Theatre Catalyst (215)563-4330 (This will be our first "official" performance with Drummer/Percussionist and Multi-Instrumentalist Tony Mascara Jr.) Peace...Jody, Paul and Tony J.Jody Janetta-Bass/Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Chapman Stick SB8/Loops and Textures Tony Mascara Jr.-Vibes/Marimba/Drums and Bass Adelante website: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html >> --part1_189.16a18ed.2966dcc6_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <PMimlitsch@aol.com> From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Full-name: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <65.2068e289.29659135@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:49:25 EST Subject: Fwd: "Adelante" @The Adrienne Theatre, Philadelphia PA To: aharon@simpletone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_189.16a18ed.29659135_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 --part2_189.16a18ed.29659135_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/02 3:06:03 PM, jjody@yahoo.com writes: << Adelante will be performing at the Adrienne Theatre Friday January 4th 2002@8:00pm Location: The Adrienne Theatre 2nd Stage 2030 Sansom Street Philadelphia, PA Theatre Catalyst (215)563-4330 (This will be our first "official" performance with Drummer/Percussionist and Multi-Instrumentalist Tony Mascara Jr.) Peace...Jody, Paul and Tony J.Jody Janetta-Bass/Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Chapman Stick SB8/Loops and Textures Tony Mascara Jr.-Vibes/Marimba/Drums and Bass Adelante website: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html >> --part2_189.16a18ed.29659135_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <jjody@yahoo.com> Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINYC13-0102100603; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:06:03 -0500 Received: from web9507.mail.yahoo.com (web9507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.21]) by rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (v83.18) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC52-0102100548; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:05:48 1900 Message-ID: <20020102150548.94246.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.3.146.31] by web9507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 07:05:48 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: "J.Jody Janetta" <jjody@yahoo.com> Subject: "Adelante" Performance@The Adrienne Theatre, Philadelphia PA To: "Ari Ma'ayan" <amaayan@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Adelante will be performing at the Adrienne Theatre Friday January 4th 2002@8:00pm Location: The Adrienne Theatre 2nd Stage 2030 Sansom Street Philadelphia, PA Theatre Catalyst (215)563-4330 Admission: The 2nd Stage@The Adrienne Theatre is a very intimate and cool(only 106 seats) space to experience an "Adelante" performance. This will be our first "official" performance with Drummer/Percussionist and Multi-Instrumentalist Tony Mascara Jr. We hope to see all of our friends and fans. Peace...Jody, Paul and Tony J.Jody Janetta-Bass/Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Chapman Stick SB8/Loops and Textures Tony Mascara Jr.-Vibes/Marimba/Drums and Bass Adelante website: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com --part2_189.16a18ed.29659135_boundary-- --part1_189.16a18ed.2966dcc6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 05:59:31 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13139; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:35:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:35:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> Message-ID: <3C35839D.5ECF45@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:27:41 +0000 From: Grahame Naylor <grahame@cableinet.co.uk> Reply-To: grahame@cableinet.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Akai Headrush UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-1-VrC.A.THD.mQYN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody wanting a cheap intro to looping or to expand an existing arsenal check out the sale at www.dawsons.co.uk. They have the headrush at 89.00 (GBP) inc. UK postage. Mine just arrived... I may be gone some time! Grahame From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 06:24:23 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14523; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:58:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:58:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: <a05001904b85b365c93db@[10.0.0.17]> In-Reply-To: <189.16a18ed.2966dcc6@aol.com> References: <189.16a18ed.2966dcc6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:44:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld <brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com> Subject: selling my Jamman (Europe only) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4xFzoC.A.AfD.5kYN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi everybody I'm selling my Jammie expanded to 32' with original box, footswitch and instructions mint conditions 450 euro + shipping anybody interested? e-mail me Bruno Kleinefeld (I'm in Milan, Italy...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 10:13:12 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27708; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:49:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:49:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:38:06 -0800 Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... From: Travis Hartnett <tiktok@sprintmail.com> To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Message-ID: <B85AFE4E.7A44%tiktok@sprintmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9RskdD.A.NlG.15bN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No art is without ideology--the "reasons you got into music and creativity" ARE your ideology... TH From: Steve Sandberg <stevesandberg@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:22:16 -0500 >I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in music. It's so >contrary to the reasons I got into music and creativity in the first place -- >namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreamself beyond my rational mind, etc . . . >At my healthiest, I know that I do music for myself and for those who >naturally respond to what I have to say. At my most insecure, I worry about >how I'll be labelled and received -- my particular nightmare is to be dismissed >as a "new age" artist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 11:08:34 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31160; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:44:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:44:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <stevesandberg@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:37:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Ideology of primitivism? From: Steve Sandberg <stevesandberg@earthlink.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: <B85B3668.221A%stevesandberg@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200201040613.BAA29116@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092985449_90204_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <JHf5S.A.lhH.ZxcN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/15135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092985449_90204_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm just doing it because it somehow satisfies some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives me to do it again Ted, I laughed when i read this comment because, again, I love where you're coming from. I actually find what you say to be very profound and inspiring, you're articulating some of my most core reasons for doing art/music. As far as an "ideology of primitivism" -- to me, there's an emotional feeling tone to the word "ideology" that I don't get from Ted's statements. To me, (I could be wrong), ideology means "this is the correct way." What I get from Ted is, "This is what I do." --MS_Mac_OE_3092985449_90204_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Ideology of primitivism?
I'm just doing it because = it somehow satisfies
some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives
me to do it= again

Ted, I laughed when i read this comment because, again, I love where you're= coming from.
I actually find what you say to be very profound and inspiring, you're arti= culating some of my most core reasons for doing art/music.
As far as an "ideology of primitivism" -- to me, there's an emoti= onal feeling tone to the word "ideology" that I don't get from Ted= 's statements.  To me, (I could be wrong), ideology means "this is= the correct way."  What I get from Ted is, "This is what I d= o."  
--MS_Mac_OE_3092985449_90204_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 12:21:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04706; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:51:40 -0800 Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <129.a4a12ed.29668432@aol.com> Message-Id: <5331AB79-0133-11D6-AE3E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, don't feel bad. It's nothing $80K and 4 years at art school couldn't cure. The problem lies in the fact that when you're finished, you're so busy working to pay off your student loans, there is precious little time for any personal art making, much less description. I had a professor who used to really like my papers. We'd have a little joke where I'd reply to his praise with, "I should be majoring in bullshit." I once had a roommate that loved football. I find it totally boring. Anyway, so I'd fit in at his little get togethers, he taught me some catch phrases that really helped. After a play was obviously over, I could look earnestly into the face of a coviewer and say something like, "Wow, they really came to play some ball." or "He's really got his game face on." I swear after some beer, these worked really well! It reminds me of a MASH episode where Radar has a crush on a sophisticated woman so they give him some canned responses like, "when she mentions Motzart, look bored. When she mentions Bach, say "Ah...Bach." I swear, we still laugh at this joke. So next time you want to seem like what you do has some deep intellectual meaning, just say something like, "I'm trying to transcend futurism" or "I'm trying to take the principals that Carl Jung put forth to my music." These should work like a charm, and are probably (though not importantly) true. Good luck, Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 08:06 PM, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > There is a certain sense of inadequacy and failure (if not shame) > connected to it -- like maybe I really should have some sort of grand, > sophisticated raison d'etre for what I'm doing by now (I'm 48 for gosh > sakes) and I don't. I'm just doing it because it somehow satisfies > some unnamable something in me to do so...and that (in turn) drives > me to do it again. The same impulse seems to drive my visual artmaking > as well. I do not have words for it. I sure wish did. > > Best, > > Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 12:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05909; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:00:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:00:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048A8@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:48:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C194A0.5B76E000" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194A0.5B76E000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** hiw about more TIME???? isn't that what we'd really all want?? stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194A0.5B76E000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: A shame there's no upgrade 4 the DL4

** hiw about more TIME????

isn't that what we'd really all want??

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C194A0.5B76E000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 12:40:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06798; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:16:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:16:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c19542$9a3aa7c0$0201a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: And now this word... Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:09:41 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fade In, to a street corner in the Old Looping West. Two men carrying lots of gear and instruments approach round the corner from each other, until colliding with a loud sound, not unlike twisting hot metal. They both fall to the pavement, along with their gear and instruments, and each of them begin slowly picking it up again. Suddenly they both realize that a mix-up of some sort has happened gear-wise. LC#1: Hey! You got Ideology in my Looping! LC#2: Nemmine that! You got Looping in my Ideology! Cut to studio, and a box with the "Looper's Delight" logo on it, along with a lovely LD T-shirt. ANNOUNCER: Now EVERYONE can have Looping with WHATEVER they want, thanks to the LD T-shirt! The accessory everyone can use! Cut to nervous-looking guitarist, wearing the LD T-shirt, flanked by two fawning girls (also wearing LD T-shirts) LC#3: I don't know what I'd DO without my Looper's Delight T-shirt! GIRL#1: *I* know... GIRL#2 looks at the camera, and smiles. GIRL#2: She just LOVES that LD Tee! Cut to outside the roadhouse, both GIRL#1 and GIRL#2 walking out, GIRL#1 holding a Looper's Delight T-shirt, obviously taken from LC#3 inside. GIRL#1: Now I've got one for every day of the week! Cut back to box with "Looper's Delight" logo, and Looper's Delight T-shirt draped over it. ANNOUNCER: Looper's Delight's T-shirts. Get them or else! LC#3 (in background): Can I have another one please? Fade out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 13:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11704; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:18:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C35F104.7361642A@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:16:20 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT harry partch centennial event References: <001c01c194dd$bb32dac0$708ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Csiz.A.pyC.gBfN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for those of you in northern ca (or anywhere w. of the mississippi!) into partch, harrison, et al: A brief heads-up: the Harry Partch Foundation is staging another Partch Centennial celebration; while we are tech- nically beyond the year, it was originally intended for last September, so... On Saturday, February 2, 2002, the event take place on the campus of San Jose State University (San Jose, CA). Guest speakers will include: - Lou Harrison - Danlee Mitchell - Philip Blackburn - Jon Szanto - John Schneider The afternoon will feature the guests in various formats, the foyer will display the "I Was A Bum Once Myself" photographic exhibition on Partch, a showing of the film "The Dreamer That Remains", scores and other Partch work will be on display, and the day will be capped off with a concert by John Schneider and "Just Strings", with Partch works done in the earliest period of his life. Doors will open at 11:00 am, with events from 12:00 on out, and a break for dinner before the concert. Final details will go out in an email before the date, and check out Corporeal Meadows http://www.corporeal.com for the poster, directions, and complete info. West of the Missisippi? Be there! i caught the event last year at ucla, it was a good time... cheers, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13836; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:49:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Ideology in looping From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201041608.LAA01118@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-FatWC.A.USD.UlfN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>> I love this comment. I really have no patience for ideology in music. >>>> It's > so contrary to the reasons I got into music and creativity in the first > place -- namely, joy, connecting with the larger dreamself beyond my > rational mind, etc . . .<<< > > But having 'no patience' is an ideological stand-point.. :o) You've > apparently chosen to dismiss on grounds of ideology the work, or at least > the methods of some other musicians, which puts you in a similar camp to > them, it would seem... Hmm, you're definitely making me think here . . . On first thought, I'd say that I would never dismiss anyone's work on the basis of their methods or ways of thinking about or creating it, even if it's an ideology -- I judge music on my personal reaction to it. And I like stuff that's all over the place -- depending on the moment -- What you're saying reminds me of a philosophy professor I had in college who said that if you don't have a conscious philosophy, you have an unconscious one (often either corresponding to or rebelling against the society you grew up in) -- so maybe I do have an unconcious ideology I'm not owning up to. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15625; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:08:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:08:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048AC@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:37:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19546.8A93DCC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19546.8A93DCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've learned a great deal about Jeff from Stig, and benefitted much from Stig's encouragement as well. Those pfMentum guys are gosh-darn nice guys! (Not to mention being one of Nels biggest fans! I'm so stoked there's someone throwing *that much* at the wall and managing to make it stick! I'm actually really grateful... )<< ** hey y'all, i gotta put something in here . . . i think that the only guy that's been mentioned here as a "pfmentum" guy (aside from ted k, as his disc is on the label) who actually is would be jeff kaiser. i would not use that term for myself or nels. the common thing between us is that we're all so cal-based players in a certain niche - - in fact the only record label that we have in common would be vinny golia's 9winds, as each of us has been involved with at least three (if not way more in nels' case) releases over the years. for looping content: jeff k does trumpet and voice into various manglers and then does looping into a dl4 (i've been trying to get him to get a second). i'll be spamming everyone next week for a gig in ventura that will include myself, jeff k, ge stinson and trombonist scot ray doing all improv - - i think that at least three of us will be doing looping (i think scot will as well, but i'm not sure). in addition, jeff k is a good composer and improvisor. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19546.8A93DCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit...

>>I've learned a great deal about Jeff from Stig, a= nd benefitted much from
Stig's encouragement as well. Those pfMentum guys are go= sh-darn nice guys!
(Not to mention being one of Nels biggest fans! I'm so s= toked there's
someone throwing *that much* at the wall and managing to= make it stick! I'm
actually really grateful... )<<



** hey y'all, i gotta put something in here  . . .

i think that the only guy that's been mentioned here as a= "pfmentum" guy (aside from ted k, as his disc is on the label) w= ho actually is would be jeff kaiser. i would not use that term for myself o= r nels. the common thing between us is that we're all so cal-based players = in a certain niche - - in fact the only record label that we have in common= would be vinny golia's 9winds, as each of us has been involved with at lea= st three (if not way more in nels' case) releases over the years.

for looping content: jeff k does trumpet and voice into v= arious manglers and then does looping into a dl4 (i've been trying to get h= im to get a second). i'll be spamming everyone next week for a gig in ventu= ra that will include myself, jeff k, ge stinson and trombonist scot ray doi= ng all improv - - i think that at least three of us will be doing looping (= i think scot will as well, but i'm not sure). 

in addition, jeff k is a good composer and improvisor.

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C19546.8A93DCC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:34:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15638; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:08:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104135756.02a197e0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 14:06:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: HELP! prob with analog machine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yikes! any of you who could actually recognize an open reel of tape might have an opinion on this one. tascam 38 1/2" machine: deck is otherwise very clean and in good shape. tape track 2 often - but not always - will not return output to the console. our testing kitchens have confirmed the following: - it's not the snake - it's not the input channel - it does not seem to matter if noise reduction is engaged or not. - swapping the rec/repro card with that from another track changes nothing, the problem does NOT migrate. - i can see the meter moving - it just doesn't send much signal. occasionally i get about as much output as a bad case of crosstalk. - some nights 2 is fine. some nights it only works for a little while. some nights, it takes the night off. - i can't think of a single thing that's changed in the setup EXCEPT that the heat in my apt. came on with a vengeance this year, and it was like death valley in there for awhile - i have since turned the heat in that room off, the problem continues intermittently. your suggestions, commiserations, prayers and special hoo-doo effects are roundly invited. replies off-list are just fine. a: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:42:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16225; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:16:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:16:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048AD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ideology in looping? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:42:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19547.40403190" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19547.40403190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" (the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisation is surely a misnomer, no? though I suspect that the explaination would be that adherence to strict western metric rhythmic forms and melodic structures was not expressing freedom but rather pedaling the western musical hedgemonic paradigm or something... :o) ** well i agree with you - - it is a misnomer. i find it tedious when people feel the need to lok down on those that might integrate groove or tonality into their improvs. though, as a caveat, my opinion is that it can't really be only about those things because it becomes more of a "jam band" situation . . . semantics to be sure, but my 2 cents. though the only time I've ever seen him live was perhaps the most godawful cacophany that I've ever had the misfortune to be in the same room as - none of his usual expressive weirdness, just three blokes twatting about with a laptop, turntables and a guitar... I thought it was just me until the review in the Wire said the same thing, and anecdotally I heard that Derek wasn't mad keen on the evening either... :o) ** this is the nature of free improv, no? there is always the possibility of failure. at least that's what i like about it. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. 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(the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisa= tion is
surely a misnomer, no?  though I suspect that the e= xplaination would be that
adherence to strict western metric rhythmic forms and me= lodic structures was
not expressing freedom but rather pedaling the western m= usical hedgemonic
paradigm or something... :o)

** well i agree with you  - - it is a misnomer. i fi= nd it tedious when people feel the need to lok down on those that might int= egrate groove or tonality into their improvs. though, as a caveat, my opini= on is that it can't really be only about those things because it becomes mo= re of a "jam band" situation . . . semantics to be sure, but my 2= cents.

though the only time I've ever seen him live was
perhaps the most godawful cacophany that I've ever had t= he misfortune to be
in the same room as - none of his usual expressive weird= ness, just three
blokes twatting about with a laptop, turntables and a gu= itar... I thought it
was just me until the review in the Wire said the same t= hing, and
anecdotally I heard that Derek wasn't mad keen on the ev= ening either... :o)

** this is the nature of free improv, no? there is always= the possibility of failure. at least that's what i like about it. <= /P>

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C19547.40403190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:44:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAB16465; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:20:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:20:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.236.134.25] From: "blue wolf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Memory For New EchoPlex Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 19:13:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 19:13:27.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[E339E150:01C19553] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi All,

Can anyone help me with finding memory for my new Echoplex. It only came with 12.5 seconds of recording time!

It uses 30-pin SIMMs with 120ns or better access time. I need four 4MB SIMMs.

Peace, Blue



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 16:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21781; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:42:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:42:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201042035.g04KZEn15598@chmls16.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:33:22 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re: HELP! prob with analog machine To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA21514 Resent-Message-ID: <1UmuYC.A.ZQF.DIhN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 ideas: 1. the obvious intermitent solder connection somewhere. look at the solder side of all boards with a magifing glass (or optivisors)...look for a grey concentric circle around the joint...this is the telltale sign of something that needs to be resoldered. if you are good with a soldering iron, go ahead and resolder anything that looks suspicious. 2. most (if not all) tape decks have a large multiple switch that selects between recording and playback. there are many contacts in this switch, and they often need to be cleaned. get some cleaner/lubricant inside there (even if you have to cut the corner off the housing with angle cutters to get it in)...this is a common problem with cassette decks, and i believe, reel to reels as well. deknow >> yikes! >> any of you who could actually recognize an open reel of tape might have an >> >> opinion on this one. >> tascam 38 1/2" machine: deck is otherwise very clean and in good shape. >> tape track 2 often - but not always - will not return output to the >> console. >> our testing kitchens have confirmed the following: >> - it's not the snake >> - it's not the input channel >> - it does not seem to matter if noise reduction is engaged or not. >> - swapping the rec/repro card with that from another track changes >> nothing, >> the problem does >> NOT migrate. >> - i can see the meter moving - it just doesn't send much signal. >> occasionally i get about as much output as a bad case of crosstalk. >> - some nights 2 is fine. some nights it only works for a little while. >> some >> nights, it takes the night off. >> - i can't think of a single thing that's changed in the setup EXCEPT that >> the heat in my apt. came on with a vengeance this year, and it was like >> death valley in there for awhile - i have since turned the heat in that >> room off, the problem continues intermittently. >> your suggestions, commiserations, prayers and special hoo-doo effects are >> roundly invited. >> replies off-list are just fine. >> a: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 16:06:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21859; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:44:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:44:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:34:29 -0800 Subject: EDP footpedal From: rob seiffert To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003401c18f00$c7551b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if anyone has an EFC-7 footpedal that they have been trying to sell or knows of one, i am trying to pick one up used before i resort to musicians friend. THANKS, -- rob seiffert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 17:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29443; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:22:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:22:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:16:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer Resent-Message-ID: <27CMG.A.vGH.7miN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One-third of the way down my Ampcast page ( http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn ) is "Lake Ambrose," which I did last night using Bitheadz' maddening loop software "Phrazer." Expert loopers will easily figure out what I'm doing with the samples. (The samples are thOnk (granular) warpings of my voice.) I just wanted to prove that it was possible to do something with this program, tho it fights me at every turn. So now if you know anybody making a horror movie taking place at a summer camp, send 'em my way for a soundtrack. . --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 18:24:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00735; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.a4e4e40.29678c10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:52:00 EST Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think steve lawson said: >the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisation is >surely a misnomer, no? 'free improv' is whatya make it, no? in my world, it's never truly free..... unless the players have damaged &/or short-circuited memories. otoh: in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for the 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements, eg riddim/melody/harmony/idiom. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 18:24:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00867; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:59:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:59:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <114.a4be7b6.29678c6c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:53:32 EST Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i haven't yet put an ideology into a loop..... i gotta try that w/high feedback lvls & and time-stretching! dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 19:02:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03646; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c19579$48e2f760$7b50e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <114.a4be7b6.29678c6c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:41:08 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i haven't yet put an ideology into a loop..... > i gotta try that w/high feedback lvls & and time-stretching! > dt / splattercell And what would be the results of playing it in reverse? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 19:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08003; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:32:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:32:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002f01c19579$48e2f760$7b50e540@sunspot> References: <114.a4be7b6.29678c6c@aol.com> <002f01c19579$48e2f760$7b50e540@sunspot> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:17:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And what would be the results of playing it in reverse? > self-dillusion? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10494; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:05:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:05:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C364FEA.F604215B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:59:21 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ZO6PB.A.JeC.v_kN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, I played around with Phrazer demo a bit and it seemed straight forward. Didn't seem to suit the way I make music though. I also toyed with Live by Ableton, and that seemed a bit better, though also not for me. Speaking of thOnk, a week ago I decided to WAY upgrade my Mac based hard drive recording system, and went with a MOTU Digital Performer 3 system. If you buy one of their audio interfaces they give you a competitive discount price for Digital Performer. I used the extra cash to get the Nautilus Bundle of DP3 plugins. One of the included effects was a real time granular synthesis module that INCREDIBLE. Really fun and amazing. Like thOnk, but in real time. Developed by the thOnk people, even. I can see myself spending a LOT of time with this effect, as it's almost an instrument in itself. It got me to thinking, is there any hardware box that does something like this? Stomp thOnk? The Space Station begins to touch on a similar sound, but not quite. Mark Sottilaro just john wrote: > One-third of the way down my Ampcast page ( http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn > ) is "Lake Ambrose," which I did last night using Bitheadz' maddening loop > software "Phrazer." > > Expert loopers will easily figure out what I'm doing with the samples. > (The samples are thOnk (granular) warpings of my voice.) I just wanted to > prove that it was possible to do something with this program, tho it fights > me at every turn. > > So now if you know anybody making a horror movie taking place at a summer > camp, send 'em my way for a soundtrack. > > . > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10919; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:13:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:13:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Silence in Looping Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:11:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL! I heard the interaction went like this: Coltrane (re: his own horn playing) "Miles, I have so much to say, I don't know how to say it." Miles: "Try taking the horn out of your mouth." -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Silence in Looping Coltrane once told Miles Davis he found it hard to stop playing sometimes and what could he do about that issue. Miles' reply was "Take the horn out of your mouth". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11337; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:18:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:18:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C364FEA.F604215B@zerocrossing.net> References: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:13:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hmmm, I played around with Phrazer demo a bit and it seemed straight forward. >Didn't seem to suit the way I make music though. I also toyed with Live by >Ableton, and that seemed a bit better, though also not for me. > One of the things that REALLY drives me nuts about Phrazer is the "CPU Limit Reached" message, which comes in an alert box and system beep. An indicator would do, but NOOOOOOOO! They have to break your connection with the whole interface to give you that useless message. So it's obvious some bozos in their programming shop don't understand the concept of "musical instrument." I bought it because I use their DS-1 software sampler. >Speaking of thOnk, a week ago I decided to WAY upgrade my Mac based hard drive >recording system, and went with a MOTU Digital Performer 3 system. If you buy >one of their audio interfaces they give you a competitive discount price for >Digital Performer. I used the extra cash to get the Nautilus Bundle of DP3 >plugins. One of the included effects was a real time granular synthesis >module that INCREDIBLE. Really fun and amazing. Like thOnk, but in real >time. Developed by the thOnk people, even. I can see myself spending a LOT >of time with this effect, as it's almost an instrument in itself. Yupper, I've used Riverrun a LOT -- the tracks "Surge" and "Method 23" on the Ampcast page are examples. >It got me >to thinking, is there any hardware box that does something like this? Stomp >thOnk? The Space Station begins to touch on a similar sound, but not quite. > Perhaps some list subscriber can take the design of such a thing on as a side project ... >Mark Sottilaro > >just john wrote: > >> One-third of the way down my Ampcast page ( http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn >> ) is "Lake Ambrose," which I did last night using Bitheadz' maddening loop >> software "Phrazer." >> >> Expert loopers will easily figure out what I'm doing with the samples. >> (The samples are thOnk (granular) warpings of my voice.) I just wanted to >> prove that it was possible to do something with this program, tho it fights >> me at every turn. >> >> So now if you know anybody making a horror movie taking place at a summer >> camp, send 'em my way for a soundtrack. >> >> . >> --- >> * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:55:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12245; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:32:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:32:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <59.1577153c.2967b003@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:25:23 EST Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scott@dreamstate.to writes: >And what would be the results of playing it in reverse? ermmmm..... where we are, now? dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 20:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12611; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:35:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:35:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:29:14 EST Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark writes: >One of the included effects was a real time granular synthesis >module that INCREDIBLE. Really fun and amazing. Like thOnk, but in real >time. Developed by the thOnk people, even. I can see myself spending >a LOT >of time with this effect, as it's almost an instrument in itself. It got >me >to thinking, is there any hardware box that does something like this? >Stomp thOnk? none that i've seen, though there's an awful lot of easily available software for this..... pluggo (msp/max), reaktor, & some more 'esoteric' stuff..... etc. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13373; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:46:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:46:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3658F9.900064F3@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 17:38:02 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > pluggo (msp/max), reaktor, & some more 'esoteric' stuff..... More esoteric than Pluggo?!?! Care to elaborate, DT? Most curious, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13645; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:50:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:50:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c1958a$d86c82a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP footpedal Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:46:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <8ImZpB.A.QPD.vplN8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not try Trace Elliot? c ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob seiffert" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: EDP footpedal > if anyone has an EFC-7 footpedal that they have been trying to sell or knows > of one, i am trying to pick one up used before i resort to musicians friend. > > THANKS, > -- > rob seiffert > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13960; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:55:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:55:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 17:50:32 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003201c1958b$5c8e31a0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <12e.a4e4e40.29678c10@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT > 'free improv' is whatya make it, no? in my world, it's never truly free..... unless the players have damaged &/or short-circuited memories. Granted... Memory sometime sucks! *-) Although I'm fighting on the side of retention! > otoh: in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for the 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements, eg riddim/melody/harmony/idiom. dt / splattercell There's the rub... Damned if ya do; Damned if ya don't! It's a strange claustrophobic sorta feeling when the formal "FREE IMPROV" is used. I'm beginning to think avoiding it is the real trick... at least here in the SF Bay area. +!+!+!+!+!+!+!+! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:35:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16080; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:07:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >none that i've seen, though there's an awful lot of easily available software >for this..... pluggo (msp/max), reaktor, & some more 'esoteric' stuff..... >etc. I have pluggo and have liked its granular stuff. Also HAVE max/msp installed, but haven't done anything WITH it yet -- gotta learn the interface (I know it's not too difficult, but it's on a long list of stuff to learn.) Along with looping, granular tweakage is what I hope to to try, audiowise. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 21:42:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16604; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.207.15.13] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Field Recordings Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:10:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 02:10:14.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C9954F0:01C1958E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mary Jane, I do, and I use a plain old Sony voice-activated cassette recorder that I bought at The Good Guys. I didn't have the funds to buy a minidisc recorder, and wound up being very glad that I didn't. I love the sound characteristics, accessibility, and versatility-during-performance of tape. The recorder I use was about $100 (Sony TCM-50DV), but aside from having a nice tape movement mechanism, it's not noticeably better than a similar model I got for $40 (Sony TCM-20DV). Both of these can record and play at normal and half speed. They also both have a nice analog pitch wheel that can let you speed it up OR slow it down by about 20%. I also got a recorder at Radio Shack for about $75 (CTR-118) that probably doesn't record as well, but has an analog speed lever that goes from 75% to 200% speed, as well as a pitch changer that doesn't change the speed. All three of these are used in my current live setup. Matt Davignon >Hi, >I'm curious to know if any of you make field >recordings. What kind of portable/remote >equipment do you use? Special mikes? Suggested >techniques? Helpful books or web sites for more >info? > >Thanks! > >Mary Jane _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 22:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19879; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:59:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:59:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:45:16 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? Message-ID: <20020104204516.D5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <12e.a4e4e40.29678c10@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <12e.a4e4e40.29678c10@aol.com>; from Hedewa7@aol.com on Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:52:00PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:52:00PM -0500, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for the > 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements, eg > riddim/melody/harmony/idiom. > dt / splattercell This is the most insightful view of 'free' improvisation I think I've ever seen. Thank you dt! m craque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 22:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20716; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:15:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:15:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:01:05 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electrix repeater for looping live ... ? Message-ID: <20020104210104.F5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <43.45ed013.2965c523@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <43.45ed013.2965c523@aol.com>; from Hedewa7@aol.com on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:30:59AM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of Doepfer, do any loopers use either the Regelwerk or the Schaltwerk pattern sequencer? The Schaltwerk is something I wish I could afford for my live work - it looks like a really beautiful machine. m On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:30:59AM -0500, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > bill.wolf@ness-usa.com writes: > >A hand based controller - with sliders and knobs might be a good option > >too. > peavey pc1600, midiman surface 1, doepfer regelwerk, etc. > (i use the peavey). > best, > dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 04:13:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08284; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:51:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:51:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020105090507.00dc0220@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:06:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer In-Reply-To: <3C364FEA.F604215B@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 16.59 04/01/02 -0800, you wrote: >It got me >to thinking, is there any hardware box that does something like this? Stomp >thOnk? The Space Station begins to touch on a similar sound, but not quite. I think Kyma is quite good at granular synthesis.... although it's not exactly a stomp box... ;) ciao leo www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 05:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11582; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:38:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:38:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c195cb$3ed794e0$815330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: infinite guitar system Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:26:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C195CB.0C216760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C195CB.0C216760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable im in the process of having an eight string guitar built to extend the = 'range' of my music. i am interested in a sustainer / infinite guitar = system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly no-one builds sustainers for eight = string guitars. so i was wondering if anyone had any information about = how i could build such a system thanks David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C195CB.0C216760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
im in the process of = having an eight=20 string guitar built to extend the 'range' of my music. i am interested = in a=20 sustainer / infinite guitar system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly no-one = builds=20 sustainers for eight string guitars. so i was wondering if anyone had = any=20 information about how i could build such a system
 
thanks
 
David
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C195CB.0C216760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 10:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29470; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:09:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105095438.00a6cbd0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:59:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Looping clothes?! In-Reply-To: <54.20a0cdaa.2965193e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This looks pretty interesting! (I'm not sure how reliable my sources are, but I'm told that's our own Michael Klobuchar modeling the plexiglass tutu... 8^P) -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 11:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01065; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:18:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:18:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:11:38 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: looping clothes (& performance style) X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The subject line of the last email got me thinking.... There's been a lot of back-n-forth here on the notion of looping live, and the potential audience reception (or lack thereof) to someone who seems to merit the term "manipulating" as much as "performing." (Using the former in a positive way, that is ... I certainly don't mean manipulating the audience.... or at least, if you are, hopefully you don't have TOO many evil intentions... :-) Anyway, my interest is: what do you do on the EXTRAmusical side of things, when performing loop-based music (in any setting) to better relate your approach to your audience? (assuming that not everyone in the audience will be familiar with live looping) All the stuff like lights, staging, band/performer setup, clothing, visual stuff (films, etc), other mood controlling devices.... what's your style? I'm also assuming we're not all looping at the local pub, and that we actually DO have control over the setting somewhat. I mean, looping is often close to sound art anyhow, so what I'm wondering is how we "install" ourselves. I'll start off: since I'm nearly always performing loop-based stuff at very "intimate" venues, I can have my way with nearly all aspects of the environment, so I'll keep the lights way down and focus a few colored lights at the stage area, and use the regular lighting at the back of the venue to just barely illuminate the rest of the room. I loop on solo guitar, and I run my rig into an amp, which is then miced and sent into a mixer with various delays and two Line 6 DL4s for looping on the effects sends. I send the mixer output in stereo to the PA, and through PA speakers which are placed as far stage right and left as I can get them. Also, in the far back corners of the room (or near the back row of audience, in the case of a seated concert) I'll put two floor wedge monitor speakers: the one in the right rear corner of the room gets the left channel of the PA signal, the one in the left rear corner gets the right channel. Since my stuff falls often into the "noise" category, while still being reluctantly (for lack of a better word) ambient, having sound all around the audience is, for me, part of the experience. Audiences generally seem into it; no one's complained about feeling fenced in, or anything.... :-) Aside from the speaker setup, and maybe burning incense on stage, that's my deal. I never dress up, usually staying as nondescript as I can, and I never talk to the audience. I'd love to experiment with playing along to abstract films, or other types of projections, but haven't yet. (The more eye-candy the better -- I'm not too much fun to watch, I wouldn't think) Alright, so .... anyone else? peace, Elio ---------------------------- http://www.mp3.com/delusions From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:04:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02183; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:40:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:40:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c19607$3e22f3a0$51144ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048AD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:37:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (the notion that there are boundaries to 'free' improvisation is > surely a misnomer, no? though I suspect that the explaination would be that > adherence to strict western metric rhythmic forms and melodic structures was > not expressing freedom but rather pedaling the western musical hedgemonic > paradigm or something... :o) > > ** well i agree with you - - it is a misnomer. i find it tedious when > people feel the need to lok down on those that might integrate groove or > tonality into their improvs. though, as a caveat, my opinion is that it > can't really be only about those things because it becomes more of a "jam > band" situation . . . semantics to be sure, but my 2 cents. ..but to be truly free it has to have room to morph into a jam band if that's where it goes. If the jam band tag becomes a stricture, or those things start to excert an influence beyond the music, the freedom has gone... :o) > though the only time I've ever seen him live was > perhaps the most godawful cacophany that I've ever had the misfortune to be > in the same room as - none of his usual expressive weirdness, just three > blokes twatting about with a laptop, turntables and a guitar... I thought it > was just me until the review in the Wire said the same thing, and > anecdotally I heard that Derek wasn't mad keen on the evening either... :o) > > ** this is the nature of free improv, no? there is always the possibility of > failure. at least that's what i like about it. Absolutely - hearing him be a bit rubbish didn't in anyway diminish my respect for him, it just meant that I was made rather starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the gig as a listener, and was left wanting... I guess if they'd all fallen about laughing, said 'sorry, that was crap' and started again, I'd have enjoyed it a bit more... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05000; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:09:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <85.15712368.29688b8d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:02:05 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > yikes! > any of you who could actually recognize an open reel of tape might have an > opinion on this one. > - i can see the meter moving - it just doesn't send much signal. > occasionally i get about as much output as a bad case of crosstalk. So does the meter move as normal, or just a little? Is the track Recording OK? ...or is this just a playback problem. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05227; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <116.a2c463f.29688cc2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:07:14 EST Subject: Re: Looping clothes?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_116.a2c463f.29688cc2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_116.a2c463f.29688cc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 10:04:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, tnelson@metrocast.net writes: > I'm told that's our own > Michael Klobuchar modeling the plexiglass tutu tim.....dont you remember thats the one i borrowed from you from your ganja farie daze.....i really didnt care for the steel-wool padding on the inside though.....:)m --part1_116.a2c463f.29688cc2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 10:04:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, tnelson@metrocast.net writes:


I'm told that's our own
Michael Klobuchar modeling the plexiglass tutu


tim.....dont you remember thats the one i borrowed from you from your ganja farie daze.....i really didnt care for the steel-wool padding on the inside though.....:)m
--part1_116.a2c463f.29688cc2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05623; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:16:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:16:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:09:38 EST Subject: Re: looping clothes (& performance style) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06064; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:24:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <117.a77d72a.29688f44@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:17:56 EST Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_117.a77d72a.29688f44_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_117.a77d72a.29688f44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 11:37:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > I was made rather > starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the gig as a listener didnt buckaroo bonzai say "no matter where you go, there you are".....can we ever be free of our "suppositions"?.....:)m --part1_117.a77d72a.29688f44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 11:37:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


I was made rather
starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the gig as a listener


didnt buckaroo bonzai say "no matter where you go, there you are".....can we ever be free of our "suppositions"?.....:)m
--part1_117.a77d72a.29688f44_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 13:57:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12047; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:33:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:20:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Phrase samplers for students? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My violist partner is interested in finding a recording device for use in her teaching, to provide instant audio feedback for herself and her students. It needs to be small, inexpensive, easy to use, and relatively self contained. The audio quality should be good enough that it won't make the student's playing sound worse than it is ;-) Any suggestions? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 14:09:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12969; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:30:20 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: infinite guitar system In-reply-to: <003e01c195cb$3ed794e0$815330d5@snowmonster> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: one less than none , LD mailing list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003e01c195cb$3ed794e0$815330d5@snowmonster> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:26 AM +0000 1/5/02, one less than none wrote: >im in the process of having an eight string guitar built to extend >the 'range' of my music. i am interested in a sustainer / infinite >guitar system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly no-one builds >sustainers for eight string guitars. so i was wondering if anyone >had any information about how i could build such a system Have you contacted the folks at Maniac Music? They're already making Sustainiac drivers for 7-string guitars. http://www.sustainiac.com/ info@sustainiac.com -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 15:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17790; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:51:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105144010.00a6d2a0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:40:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping clothes?! In-Reply-To: <116.a2c463f.29688cc2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:07 PM 1/5/02 -0500, you wrote: >tim.....dont you remember thats the one i borrowed from you from your >ganja farie daze.....i really didnt care for the steel-wool padding on the >inside though.....:)m Yowch! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 15:29:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19597; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:06:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:06:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:07:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Ideology in looping? From: Paul Reisler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201051857.NAA13678@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3093088060_148177_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3093088060_148177_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I always liked the way Robert Frost spoke of our need for limitations in art-- "Writing free verse is like playing tennis with the net down." On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:52:00PM -0500, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for the > 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements, eg > riddim/melody/harmony/idiom. > dt / splattercell Paul Reisler Trapezoid PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com --MS_Mac_OE_3093088060_148177_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Ideology in looping?

I always liked the way Robert Frost spoke of our need for limitations in ar= t--  "Writing free verse is like playing tennis with the net down.= "

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:52:00PM -0500, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote:
> in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for= the
> 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements,= eg
> riddim/melody/harmony/idiom.
> dt / splattercell


Paul Reisler
Trapezoid
PO Box 38
Washington, VA 22747
540.987.3164
540.987.3166 fax
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--MS_Mac_OE_3093088060_148177_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 15:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21006; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:35:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:35:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c19628$15bdc0e0$c2944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Field Recordings Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:32:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt wrote: >I use a plain old Sony voice-activated cassette recorder >I love the sound >characteristics, accessibility, and versatility-during-performance of tape. > >The recorder I use was about $100 (Sony TCM-50DV), but aside from having a >nice tape movement mechanism, it's not noticeably better than a similar >model I got for $40 (Sony TCM-20DV). Both of these can record and play at >normal and half speed. They also both have a nice analog pitch wheel that >can let you speed it up OR slow it down by about 20%. I'll second that. I purchased a Sony TCM-60DV last year to use for recording my music lessons in India. The microphone attachment worked quite well (my only complaint is the extremely thin wire). I'd point the mike toward my teacher and the lessons were captured very clearly. I was also able to record some concerts this way and they too came out well. In addition, I used the onboard microphone to record street sounds, temple bells/gongs/drumming, wedding processions, etc. and these also recorded well, although due to the louder outdoor settings (as well as maintaining a respectful distance) they tend to be noisier and grainier. All in all, I'd recommend it as a very worthwhile, inexpensive, workable tool. One loop-related footnote: Going out for a walk one day I decided to bring along a cassette of some loops I'd recently done and listen to them on headphones. I was a bit startled, because although I knew I'd made these loops, they sounded very strange and unfamiliar -- but really good, in fact, better than I'd remembered. It was only when one side ended and I went to flip the tape that I noticed that the speed control had been inadvertently pushed to the lowest position. So I'd been listening to them with the tempo slowed considerably and at a lower pitch. Kind of a pleasant surprise ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 17:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26897; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:52:43 EST Subject: Re: Who Needs Clothing? *LONG* Business Oriented To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about that empty Post from earlier in the day. I'm no Music Industry Expert, but These topics have been squarely in the center of my mind the last few weks as AKASH is about to perhaps move into a different realm of its commercial existence. >From being mainly a performance art collective into an "Entertainment-Package", AKASH is now more or less positioned to be sorta inspire the experience and behavior which audiences displayed toward The Rocky HOrror Picture Show without duplicating rocky horror. We want audiences to have the same repeat - over and over again experience with AKASH that people would have similar to like that they did have with Rocky Horror where relationships were built up around it and the movie not only was entertainment but the experince became the event and subsequent experiences were built around the movie...we want that type of experience but we want to make it more interactive and have an evolving story to be able to compensate for the amount of performers who come and go thru AKASH and also have stock characters who are available to individuals who can slip into them and both grow and adpat them quickly and professionally so that there is a continuity which can be counted upon by audiences to be deleivered and maintained by AKASH. & that means we are now adapting away from 90% improv to a more "scripted" and a lot more narrowly defined set of musical landscapes with a lot less full frontal nudity and more of an emphasis which is deliberately set at a level of certain R-Rated Sexual Content which is fit to be printed and or on the level of a Howard Stern MEdia System...But Who Needs Clothing? Try looping in a context-venue where 50 or more persons in your audience are having sex in front of you or all around you as they - the audience - are engaged in extreme Bondage or very explicit sexual acts...if you found yerself @ somethin like that, you'd have a gig that is very similar to what we have in AKASH. But how many robert fripps are there out there already and how many more of them can there be in such a narrow market & how are they ever gonna sustain themselves regardless as to who they are and or how good they are or will be? A lot of great musicians are understandably so wrapped up in the perspective of being a "good musician" as opposed to also simultaneously looking at what not only is contextual in terms of audience and performer relationships, but also in terms of the music industry where developing and connecting with an audience and also where both on the inside and outside getting paid etc, is all about and down to - meeting people who are going to put money in your pocket or getting a chance at connecting with people whom you can work with or encounter who will help you put money in theirs & your pockets. But to blance the art commerce thing takes a certain energy in personality and disposition of which I definitely dont naturally have or care to engage. but still I find myself improvising in that area and holding my own - sorta- but it is if you need 10 heads to talk together and also its challenging knowing you are reasonably intelligent person dealing with people in a music industry that think you really know nothing and treat you that way at times when for yrs before u met them you were the manufacturer, factory, sales, marketing, distribution, promotions, street-team and publicist all in one but suddenly you are dumb as you sit in an office environment - have not adapted to that one yet as we are also learning we dont have to like the people we do business with to do business with them and get what we need. and it seems IMHO to likewise hold that any musical endeavor which seeks to go beyond the garage is about not where you are at as much as it is about where you in turn are willing to Meet people where they are AT. That is something which you are either willing to do, conscious of or not able to do or motivated to not do. But unless you willingly play to an audience who appreciates "obscurity", it seems that those audiences who appreciate obscurity don't have $ depending upon the level of obscurity you're at. A hardcore "obscurirty" crowd tends to be other obscure musicians ( which is desirable and perfectly understandable) and or the people with whom you will perform at some other time. & I'm not saying obscurity is a bad thing as much as I am saying that getting paid for obscurity and seeing people make money while u perform at their establishment and not having them want to pay you is to be always expected becasue you have to have more to "show" for something more than than just your good performance-work when talking about pay in a commercial context, that all again comes down to perception and how well you mangage or direct-re-direct that energy or how you create a perception of value which is compelling to make someone feel that they shoud and need to pay you. It is simply not a realistic expectation to get paid for having obscurity unless you somehow invert the obscurity around somethinng audiences and also promoters do get and or would like to have/get or want to be like themselves becasue atthat point you are guraunteeing something in large quantities and consistently so to where promoters-booking agents know that to get you they will have to be competitive and equal to or better than what other venues pay to get you as that their investment in you is small compared to what their returns will be for them. And I'm not saying that you should expect to be treated unfairly..but rather I'm sayin that obscurity does have a price just as everything in this world does including te flip side of obscurirty - commercial - success. And also where even with an "obscure" audience that has $$$, they tend to only come out to "name" shows for the few artists they see and already know. But unless you are one of Those few who are already selling something you are almost intentionally shut out or you operate on how you are "PERceived" as being where that operative enegery is confirmed through others who are perceived to be doing or saying something... But in these business situations which are really manipulations of illusions - I personally still take serioulsy the illusions as they are all part of what ya encounter and have to be prepared to either respond to or react to in either a proactice or less than - leveraging - reactive manner. And another way to view the whole art vs commerce thing is that you must either have your own money to finance your wrk and thusly live by what you set your intentions to be and or you compromise ...but to what degree? ( compromise is something we are all literally born Doing IMHO ) Personal & Shared Goals can be acomplished collectively or individually but seeing both sides of where you play in terms of not justthe venue but the arena you will be a laeger part of regardless as to whether or how much you like "it- the industry-audiences-tastes, etc" or regardless as to what degree you agree with something, it is IMHO empowering and a conscious chance to prepare and position youself into creating other opportunities for you to continue to do and expand-share your musical experiences with others. But again, maybe if we were to consider where people are at and what we are doing and where we can at least meet them where they are at and then move them along to wherever weare at - that type of art is actually the most effective where in that process in addition to the time you spend crafting, developing or honing your skills you can not just preach to the choir but truly grow the flock and transform yourself without being swallowed up or lost or having to be marginalized. & I firmly believe that people dont really listen to music the ways in which they used to in the sense where their listening is a lot more passive with critical fucntions largely absent or dumbed down or in most cases IMHO actively ambivalent where until awakened &/or redirected elsewhere, people mainly go humming along to what is immediately available for them and especially so today where there is absolutely more music than ever available to anyone to pick and choose from and less interest on listeners part in experiencing new music as much as there is an emphasis on reinforcing imagery which is very group and herdlike for the masses ( not bad or good but its aesthetic currency depends on the messengers and their intentions and ability to tell a story beyond the herds but still success or reaching the masses beyond the choir doesnt happen becasue of that often i think it happens despite that aesthetic). People ( a commercial audience or an audience which would get entry-level-commercial-designation) could care less about the musical experiences we as musicians have had or what we seek to discover as that people's ambitions are not as great as they once were concerning listening and hearing music and in many instances, i dont even think they are aware of the dynamics of their relationship to music anymore. Also, the amount of time that people have or consciously and deliberately give their attention to music is something which they only marginally do. Music is less and less something which people are seeking out as it now doesnt really pay to guide people to other outlets or newer outlets unless they are your own and no one listens or cares that much when you do these days unless you are like everyone else IMHO. But to make all this stuff work ya (IMHO) gotta dumb down "marketing" of self and your complexities and speak and make others feel that you are on their simple and immediate-level and have the necessary tie ins which are able to be drawn to get others to buy "you" because thats how the message gets out today and with reptition and thru multiple Visual Associations you become transformed into a brand. Thats nothing new i would imagine to a maturing music industry, but it was never as true as it is today with so much music being present and so little interest and demand for new music which you would pay to receive. I'm also saying that today either you sell & are perceived as bankable or you have the perception of branding and an image which multiple people can buy into or rather you are perceived as a waste and marginal or worse IMHO labeled "experiemntaL" by people who woulnt know the meaning or experice of the word in 10,000 lifetimes. And as a maginalized-"experimental" act today there is less and less room to play with unless you have other ways of generating income form filmt tv radio etc., but there are to my knowledge only a handful of people who do that consistently enough to almost barely earn a decent living for themselves let alone the smaller handful who are considered top dogs in that arena who get fees. I also think IMHO any succesful commercial musical venture comes down to 1 or 2 things & the least of which is talent, copmetence and abilty :) The main key ingredient to starting a sort of commercial success is a to develop a connection with a significantly sizable audience ( an audience that spends $$$) engaged by making them wanna be like you or making them wanna do what you do or getting people to covet something you have where people can feel themselves in situations which they perceive you to be inside of which they themselves desire. But for AKASH having 5-10 naked female performers tends to always attract a crowd of at The Very Least, 150 persons and has also created a niche of sorts for us. Just the experience of seeing us perform in the venues where you would normally find us is keenly tied into the whole experience where by your just showing up becomes just as much part of the performance and relationship with existing and new memebers of our audience as does the performacne the musicians and Permers give on the stage. The idea of AKASH began as a joke which was a reaction to taking the on the face - absurdity of something like Fripp playing Pizza Hut and using that very same idea in the context of playing solo guitar shows in adult bookstores and going on tour wsith the concept ust for the sake of saying you did it...well....it turned out to be the most significant musical endeavor of my entire life as it has now grown to include some of my all time faves from the philly music scene ( elliott levin has been an idol of mine for years now and he is a full fledged member of AKASH) Our music doesnt have to be groundbreaking & it doesnt have to be profound or full of personal and shared transformations ( though we do aim just for that and wo do try to bring a classic reference to the quality of music where from as many perspectives as possible, you can or could relate to what we do and or take away something different if in fact you would so choose to see us beyond the sensationalism). But we dont market AKASH that way and we dont say look at how good our music is and how well we have developed our art/craft and its overall perspective as we offer & push a "package" of music, sex and fun..and even though we dont really rock, I think what we are doing is more traditional - rock n roll than what you would see most rock n roll bands who pump the power chords giving audiences these days :). & for us AKASH just needs to be whatever it asks the performers to be prepared for delievering and it really needs to operate in the sphere of 2 bubbles: creative intentions and commercial considerations ( Which is still part of your performance aside from the execution and creation of music from haed body, tool, etc) and where those 2 bubbles intersect or where we DO choose to Make them intersect as a Conscious Decision and how well we balance those decisions really is more or less where in the context of a commercial enity we try focus our collective considertaions and aim. AKASH is undoubtedly commercial, sensationalist, Warholian and Unapologetic, but it does make great marketing and tie ins & has gotten us great press locally here in Philly as well as providing us a vehicle where we definitely don't get paid by standard variable experimental musician wages...& thats not why we do it, but we sure don't play for free anymore and we are at this point, having the time of our lives and creating other opportunities to do other stuff which we want to do which is aside, separate and unrelated to AKASH. & after 3 yrs of playing for free in coffe shops, sex shoppes, art galleries, adult bookstores to private sex parties to private swingers clubs, to really bad go-go-bars and up into maintream niteclubs and more upscale alt-lifestyles communities, where all around the USA, we now do charge a very high premiuim ( for the music we play) which is somewhere very north of $1k for a whole evening ( but split that between 10-12 people and it is not that great though it is kinda - OK if you are playing out a lot and on the road a lot, which we dont do that often as we will pick up the pace in 2002 as we all say bye bye to day gigs ) and we now get that premium without having any airplay or hits and we can see a consistency developing where we are a brand now. Also, I'm a firm believer that give anybody $5-7million ( i wish we got that in our deal!) in seed $$$$ for advertising and an effective promotions-street team and in the 21st centurey if you can get your music used to sell sneekers, clothing and or other products, i'm absolutely certain that better than 85% of the time you will get a return on that investment. I'm a rigid believer that you can sell almost anything to anyone if you keep repeating a mantra ( regardless as to whther there is value or aesthetic merit to what you are selling ) and by buying up enough space where you can get other people to repeat your mantra that you will sell and be a huge success though not necassarily a long lasting flavor. Again, it is real simple to determine what people are into: People like msuic they hear and observe other people liking and enjoying and they buy what they see other people buying. It is that simple or sad. But if you realize that and consider where people are AT, it may have an impact on the audience you are connecting or about to connect to and how far you might be able to share/advance a dream. For AKASH the way/path to grow and the way to take what is perceived as difficult music and "art" - has been to co-brand and wheel and deal with fetish fashion retailers and sex toy vendors as well as various BDSM film producers, other Porn Performers and BDSM Magazines to market their products to our audience where they in turn use our imagery and name ( repetition and association again ) with their larger demographics which is a perpetual churn of sorts...& that has nothing to do with music but everything to do with reaching people and having what is as i'm told is having a credibility of sorts. We have been very very very fortunate and blessed to recently come into significant seed $$$ from a Porn Producer - GASP- of all things :) ... This backing company has paid for our 1st video "The ABC"s of Kinky Sex" which was recently shot on location @ NYC's legenday HELLFIRECLUB. The realtionship and $$$ and distribution and tie-ins we will get out of the association means marketing and distribution is not coming out of our pockets anymore but being split as we are now in effect a subsidiary of that company-backer and that we can now reach a larger - but still very targetted audience - and significantly expand our web presence with people who already know how to break and sell products of a competitive niche variety. But our demographic is and was deliberately and somewhat calculatedly chosen ( nothing too magical in that revelation & definitely not too artful it would seem but it was where we all were and have been as individuals and as being part of that demographic, we all know it quite well: Straight-Gay-BDSM Male and Female - Couples 25-50 who have incomes of over 50k+ and who are also inclined to be members of private-exclusive clubs and or pay high premiums for their fetish indulgences as well as actively engage with other people in public in dwtwn areas of major USA cities. Subsequently, there is a Huuuuuuuuuuuuge market there with that as with the demographic we have chosen they are cocnsistent, loyal and willing to pay premiums for perceived value and we also get a currency with Goth Kids 18-24 who have all the traits of the older folks we appeal to. But also note hat the 25-50's like to consider themselves hip but arent ready for smooth jazz or celine dion and dont wanna listen to the cure over and over again and they are child-free and not ready to blend into the backdrop of surburbia or picket fence living - at least not completely as they are looking for enertainment which is decidely adult, adventurous and also different from the choices they have made for them by other media; this crowd actually does care what they listen to and is open more so to more adventurous stuff - even though we are not really that out there - contextually and based upontheir experience we are the most radical musical things they have heard in a long time - we dont lecture or play history professors to our audience becasue that is not what they want or what we need to do for them :) So the key thing for AKASH was to create a demand and develop a niche which we could be able to plug into and get cocnsistent responses from and get paid considerably better ( having a team of 7-12 persons is high overhead) than the local pubs or venues where everyone else plays and where they shaft you with charges here and there regardless as to how many persons you bring out to the venue. Also by getting press but not being as accesable as other Bands we created a demand by being around Philly all the time without being in the usual places which kinda has spared us from the lenegdary Philly Backlash as thatwe are from a very small town City which is extremely tough on outsiders but even tougher on its own kinfolk. But i would say our stuff is definitely more of an entertainment oriented perspective/vehicle where the emphasis is directly on the strory telling aspects of visual performance and within the venues alongwith the music which is used as a backdrop to the overall AKASH experience we provide. Others here would choose a more purist route and decry the commecialization we are doing of certain elements of the avant garde ( of sorts ) , but we constantly love to mix the mudance, serious, sexual, religious, absurd, purient, as well as commercial and contemporary with satire, subversive inversion as well as ritual where both the goddess & whore think as one. The clothes or lack of clothing do make the audience show up in many & most instances. But even with that lack of clothing & with crass sensationalism in place, there still has to be something there of which a perforner-entertainer-musician has connected with a Story - where in turn a performer can effectively translate and communicate that dialog with others - other than themselves or the un-initiated. Again, I'm no music industry expert, but part of the tricks to the art-commerce thing seems to be able to pull of a delicate balancing act which is conscious but not self conscious and to strive to be Perceived as Relevant without being marginalized and still Creative without making people feel they have been left behind by you and ultimately coming down to you being who you are and the person you need to be as you are only & always who you are, no matter what mask you use to hide your face. My best and funniest moment doing all of this was last year at a swingers club where a very beautiful - natural bodied ( rare these days ) Blonde Porn star came up to me after our set and said that her orgasm rode the waves of the guitar solo i had played...and shucks, I just blushed and said to her - "thank you" as I thought to myself that it was really "A Hard Days Night", and I chuckled to myself as we broke down our gear and went home and said goodnite. Warm Regards, JP/AKASH BUY THE NEW AKASH CD: "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT" www.akashmusic.com www.mp3.com/akashmusic REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 17:48:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28925; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:24:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:24:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 17:18:07 -0500 Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1TTadB.A.B_G.ku3N8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice john.... Question... How long do you leave thonk running to process those files?... And yeah, I downloaded phrazer only to be sorely disappointed... Back to logic. Wish Acid was written for us... But great work, thanks for sharing... On 1/4/02 5:16 PM, "just john" wrote: > One-third of the way down my Ampcast page ( http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn > ) is "Lake Ambrose," which I did last night using Bitheadz' maddening loop > software "Phrazer." > > Expert loopers will easily figure out what I'm doing with the samples. > (The samples are thOnk (granular) warpings of my voice.) I just wanted to > prove that it was possible to do something with this program, tho it fights > me at every turn. > > So now if you know anybody making a horror movie taking place at a summer > camp, send 'em my way for a soundtrack. > > > . > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 20:26:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07134; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:03:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c1959c$e468e140$752853c8@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: Breakdown | Fw: infinite guitar system Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:56:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C1956A.992E39A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C1956A.992E39A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Christian Leduc=20 To: breakdown@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Breakdown | Fw: infinite guitar system Hi, About the sustainer, I think that Maniac Music do make a custom version of their Sustainiac = if you ask them... I think it's 50$ more per string or for the driver = itself, I'm not sure... Well, the better way to know is by asking = them... www.sustainiac.com=20 About creating a similar device, you should read the informations = gathered on Chad's web site about Brook's system and read the patent = application made by Alan Hoover of Maniac Music.. I think the web site = for this is: www.delphion.com or something like that... It costs a = couple of bucks (3, I think) to have the informations on a PDF format.=20 And I think you should know a lot of things about general electronics, = electro-magnetism, amplifiers... stuff like that..=20 Best,=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ren=E9=20 To: breakdown@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Breakdown | Fw: infinite guitar system ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel=20 To: breakdown@egroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Fw: infinite guitar system ----- Original Message -----=20 From: one less than none=20 To: LD mailing list=20 Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:26 AM Subject: infinite guitar system im in the process of having an eight string guitar built to extend the = 'range' of my music. i am interested in a sustainer / infinite guitar = system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly no-one builds sustainers for eight = string guitars. so i was wondering if anyone had any information about = how i could build such a system thanks David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk Your use of Yahoo! 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Hi,
 
About the sustainer,
 
I think that Maniac Music do make a = custom version=20 of their Sustainiac if you ask them... I think it's 50$ more per = string or=20 for the driver itself, I'm not sure... Well, the better way to know is = by asking=20 them... www.sustainiac.com =
 
About creating a similar device, you = should read=20 the informations gathered on Chad's web site about Brook's system and = read the=20 patent application made by Alan Hoover of Maniac Music.. I think the web = site=20 for this is: www.delphion.com or = something=20 like that... It costs a couple of bucks (3, I think) to have the = informations on=20 a PDF format. 
 
And I think you should know a lot of = things about=20 general electronics, electro-magnetism, amplifiers... stuff like that..=20
 
Best, 
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im in the process of = having an eight=20 string guitar built to extend the 'range' of my music. i am interested = in a=20 sustainer / infinite guitar system for the 'beast'. un fortunatly = no-one=20 builds sustainers for eight string guitars. so i was wondering if = anyone had=20 any information about how i could build such a system
 
thanks
 
David
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C1956A.992E39A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 10:38:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22158; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:13:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:13:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <116.a379454.2969c200@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:06:40 EST Subject: Adelante @ Chestnut Hill Borders, Phila. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Sticknews@aol.com, STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, taptalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Adelante" Appearing...Sunday January 20th, 2002 -- 2:00 to 4:00pm @Borders Books & Music Cafe Chestnut Hill/Philadelphia 8701 Germantown Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19118 (215)248-1213 Admission Free "Adelante" is: J.Jody Janetta - Fretless Bass Paul Mimlitsch - Guitar/ Stick SB8/ Textures Tony Mascara Jr. - Drums/Percussion/Vibes/Marimba/ Adelante's website is: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html Peace...Jody, Paul and Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 13:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30726; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:53:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Gig spam, San Francsico, tonight Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:46:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C19696.F94DA280" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2002 17:46:12.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[07CEE100:01C196DA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C19696.F94DA280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wohoo! my first gig spam. I'm playing solo - chapman stick, echoplex, repeater, a hardware = sequencer and lots of effects. Wish me luck, or come on by. The door person has been instructed to let = in anyone who looks like the picture on Kim Flint's driver's license, or = with an electrix or emu/ensoniq corporate id. It's also the first time a web site that was actually important to me = got compromised by some asshole from the eastern block - the = dub-beautiful collective's web site is down, so there's not much to see = there other than grafiti right now. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Sunday Jan.6.02 subzero frequencies kicks off the new year with live drum & bass and IDM live performances from: the jump cut [drum and bass] and sserendipity [downtempo & IDM] guest DJ: DF Tram live art painted by: spaze crafte one Hush Hush Lounge 496 14th [at Guerrero] in the Mission - San Francisco, CA. 8p-12a, $5, 21+ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.dub-beautiful.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C19696.F94DA280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wohoo! my first gig = spam.
 
I'm playing solo - chapman stick, echoplex, repeater, a = hardware=20 sequencer and lots of effects.
 
Wish me luck, or come on by. The door person has been = instructed to let=20 in anyone who looks like the picture on Kim Flint's = driver's=20 license, or with an electrix or emu/ensoniq corporate id.
 
It's also the first time a web site that was actually important = to me=20 got compromised by some asshole from the eastern block - the = dub-beautiful=20 collective's web site is down, so there's not much to see there other = than=20 grafiti right now.
 
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Sunday=20 Jan.6.02
subzero frequencies kicks off the new year with live drum = & bass=20 and IDM

live performances from:
the jump cut [drum and=20 bass]
and
sserendipity [downtempo & IDM]

guest DJ: DF=20 Tram

live art painted by:
spaze crafte one

Hush Hush=20 Lounge
496 14th [at Guerrero]
in the Mission - San Francisco,=20 CA.
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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C19696.F94DA280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 13:53:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00930; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:30:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:30:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:25:01 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Gig spam, San Francsico, tonight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ssrndpty@hotmail.com Message-id: <005901c196df$7458bad0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <35AD5.A.CI.0YJO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What a coincidence ... I play bass in Jump Cut! I think the schedule for tonight at the Hush Hush is: 8:00 - 9:00 DF Tram 9:00 - 10:00 Jump Cut 10:00 - 11:00 sserendipity See you tonight ... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Gig spam, San Francsico, tonight Wohoo! my first gig spam. I'm playing solo - chapman stick, echoplex, repeater, a hardware sequencer and lots of effects. Wish me luck, or come on by. The door person has been instructed to let in anyone who looks like the picture on Kim Flint's driver's license, or with an electrix or emu/ensoniq corporate id. It's also the first time a web site that was actually important to me got compromised by some asshole from the eastern block - the dub-beautiful collective's web site is down, so there's not much to see there other than grafiti right now. ======================================================= Sunday Jan.6.02 subzero frequencies kicks off the new year with live drum & bass and IDM live performances from: the jump cut [drum and bass] and sserendipity [downtempo & IDM] guest DJ: DF Tram live art painted by: spaze crafte one Hush Hush Lounge 496 14th [at Guerrero] in the Mission - San Francisco, CA. 8p-12a, $5, 21+ ======================================================= http://www.dub-beautiful.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 15:27:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06168; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:52:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: New track, using Bitheadz' Phrazer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Nice john.... > >Question... How long do you leave thonk running to process those files?... > Lessee ... I used five basic samples, tweaked into seven loops ... I'd guess three of the five came from maybe an hour of thOnking, then a half hour of searching out the best bits within the larger thOnk output files. The other two were short and complete unto themselves, after maybe five minutes of thOnking. (For those who haven't heard thOnked stuff: Check out my mp3.com page. Almost everything with the genre "Noise" or "Dark Ambient/Noise" is thOnk output, as is my whole album there, "Turbine Thrust Tests." (And that name should give you an idea of what it sounds like.)) >And yeah, I downloaded phrazer only to be sorely disappointed... Back to >logic. Wish Acid was written for us... > >But great work, thanks for sharing... > Thanks. What's weird is that in three days this has become my most-played track on Ampcast, played almost as much as all my other 20 or so tracks put together have EVER been played. And I announced it here and at http://www.electronicbboard.com/ only. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 15:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07826; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:02:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:02:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.196.130] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:56:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2002 19:56:05.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D29FFE0:01C196EC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I was wondering what tasks those of you, that have both the EDP and the Repeater in your looping rigs, assign to the each unit? Does each have a strength(or strengths) that make it more suitable for certain looping jobs than the other? Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 15:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08201; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:08:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:08:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:57:57 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: microphones for field recording X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I happened upon a supplier of tiny electret microphones and accessories, suitable for field recording. I haven't tried them, but they're cheap and they come in a variety of useful configurations for "stealth" recording. http://www.reactivesounds.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 15:53:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09644; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:30:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:30:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:16:22 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Rainer Straschill Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wormz... Message-ID: <20020106141622.O5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <20020101160953.A2523@ratamacue.sounding.com> <000e01c193f4$a2256eb0$fe78a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000e01c193f4$a2256eb0$fe78a8c0@SATAN>; from rs@moinlabs.de on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:18:31AM +0100 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:18:31AM +0100, Rainer Straschill wrote: > could you please tell us (me) a bit more about your activities in > "improvised dance music" ? It comes from two directions: A) my deep involvement with improvised music, and B) my desire to see more real musicianship and spontaneity in electronic "dance" music. Those two meet in the middle with an aesthetic for experimental sound combined with stuff that can really groove. I think we greatly underestimate the ability of people to enjoy new sounds within old contexts. My experiment with dance music extends from free improv work with live sampling of objects and instruments - including my voice - in a very avant-garde mode of operation. Depending on the situation, I may or may not combine these with synth sounds and more driving elements of the groove... oftentimes I enjoy working in a very ambient sort of mode, where the beat and rhythms actually emerge out of the improvisation, but which may escalate into something much more upbeat or not. When I'm working in pure improvisation, it is a lot about bringing the same indeterminacy and element of surprise into live electronica that is present in a lot of live improvised music in other disciplines. Obviously, as folks have pointed out, this works better in some situations than others... and I'm actually working now on a new mode of operation where I'm mixing improvisation with pre-sequenced elements to create a somewhat more energetic and "fun" sound. I guess what it is I'm really doing is "building" my own electronic instrument and method for improvisation - I'm constructing my boundaries and freedoms in a multitude of ways in order to provide multiple paths of musical exploration. Some of my more successful attempts are documented on http://craque.net . mrd . . craque . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 18:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18220; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:40:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:40:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:27:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Frn: Chris Olden [mailto:chrisolden@hotmail.com] > Hello, > I was wondering what tasks those of you, that have both the > EDP and the Repeater in your looping rigs, assign to the > each unit? Does each have a strength(or strengths) that > make it more suitable for certain looping jobs than the > other? > Thanks! > Chris Olden Hi Chris, I like to sync them by midi clock and have EDP as master and Repeater as slave. This way Repeater follows if I have different tempi in the EDP loops. I can also do a "solo break" by pressing the EDP rec pedal to play a new line into the loop, and have the Repeater stop during the break and to start when I close that EDP loop. I tend to look at the EDP as the "soloist" in this set up and Repeater as "the band". I also like to keep the EDP insert pedal for reversed recording. Another thing I'm experimenting with is using a sequencer slaved to the Repeater and feeding it with controller data for rhythmic panning of track 3 and 4 (usually use 16ths and triads). The seq also feeds track 2 with a controller for pitching down on octave (for bass). Initially I tried feeding volume data as well (for gating the sound), but this got too stiff for improvising. I only need to use a one bar midi loop in the sequencer for this, and the good thing with this is that if you change the pitch of repeater (by cc14) you get the bass track back into the basement afterwards. You also get the bass track right when creating a new, or changing loop on repeater. I don't have an expression pedal yet but when I'm getting one I will try out the cc14 havoc thing with Repeater. I have experimented with putting that controller in Logic (synced to repeater) and it seems that Repeater is coming back fine in sync again (to EDP) after some heavy cc14 berserking. Someone already tested this? I have not had time yet to go deeply into putting the EDP in the Repeater FX loop. (reports on this appreciated ;-) Best Per Boysen Sweden From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 20:51:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28688; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:27:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:27:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:12:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I understand where you're coming from if you're trying to decide between the two units. Its a tough choice. And working with the two together? The possibilities are mind boggling, but for myself, I find I reach for one or the other, at different times. Maybe in a few months I'll overcome my option anxiety and try some experiments like Per has done. I still find that there are unexplored reaches in each box *alone*. (Harkening back to that thread on limits, there is something musical about having them) I have both and was going to sell my EDP (the RPTR is amazing!) but backed off, realizing that, as people have said: the EDP is better for live playing. esp vis a vis working with multiple loops; going from record straight to overdub; having many deep realtime options with immediate response. Great interactivity for improvisation where the EDP is like an ultra-responsive instrument, a mirror of your playing. But its only mono, and has no effects loop or storage... For me, Repeater is more of a 'composition' oriented machine with its multiple tracks and file system. Also its wonderful for DJ type stuff or 'post production' with its effects loop, pitch shift features, and ability to move phrases around on an individual track basis. I find with the RPTR I more often than with EDP take my hands off my instrument, in order to work the midi sliders and effects parameters. BTW having that effects loop is fantastic, and exponentially ups the ante for timbral and rhythmic exploration. Not to speak of the sounds obtained by lowering the tempo to 10 or so without changing pitch :-) Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 02:32:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09991; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:03:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:49:48 -0800 Subject: Freedom's just another word.... To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c19607$3e22f3a0$51144ed5@zetnet.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk of free improv has been spinning about in my head. The idea of completely eschewing the basics of western (or any other) musical tradition (you know, those really tedious things like rhythm, melody, & scales) seems rather counterproductive if you want an audience. & here I'm certainly not advocating pandering to the audience. Instead you're giving the audience a foothold to help guide them into a musical world that quite often is rather foreign and challenging to them. There are just not that many folks who can be plopped down in the middle of some particularly twisted improv & feel immediately comfortable. An example of the sort of thing I'm talking about would be Art Ensemble of Chicago's "Charley M"--starts off as a really smooth jazzy number, goes into this crazy place without ever getting lost, comes out intact on the other side. I personally like this approach (quite common in free jazz, not so common in stuff that leaves jazz aside)--otherwise it's almost necessary that the audience be as well versed in the form as the performers themselves. Now, I'm not saying there aren't exceptions. Certainly, as an artist develops something of a rep/following, she may be able to start from a more remote outpost without losing the bulk of her audience. And sometimes the artist can pull off pushing the audience into the deep end sans water wings. This happened to me (as audience member) when I saw AMM--I had no idea who they were even, but I was absolutely blown away by them. Of course, this is all just the opinion of an outsider looking in. I mostly listen to/play pop (in its many variations), but as an audience member/occaasional participant in the, umm, wilder side of things, I have experienced some fairly amazing stuff. But at other times I feel like I'm trying to learn quantum physics by staring at equations. It can be quite a frustrating experience. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 04:41:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09414; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Reply-To: cave@osk.3web.ne.jp Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:08:38 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: European Loopers.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have live gig schedule at Holland and Switzerland (maybe go through Germany) at 9th Feb-22th 2002. I want to play extra gigs in Holland,Belgium,Germany etc.. If someone have schedule of gigs in this Feb,I could play with you?? Please contact via Email.. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 05:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13017; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:10:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:10:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:03:55 -0800 Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7ABF5832-034D-11D6-8445-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although I do love my Repeater, I do admit that, while I can live without going straight into overdub (I just tend to start my sequence and loop at the same time, let it record blank, and then open it back up for rec) but I totally miss the ability to define the loop time (in measures) while synching off a MIDI clock. In other words, "Give me a 4 bar loop starting...NOW." and then have the Repeater end the loop automatically at the end of the fourth bar. I could also go for some MIDI triggered automation, such as having a single message = a feedback % There could be a bunch of short cuts like that to free up your hands during a gig, but overall the flexibility of the Repeater makes it worth the extra knob twiddling. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have the tendency to overplay anyway, and it's good to leave a loop alone for a bit while you deal with another aspect of your performance. Mark On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 05:12 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > > > I understand where you're coming from if you're trying to decide > between the > two units. Its a tough choice. And working with the two together? The > possibilities are mind boggling, but for myself, I find I reach for one > or > the other, at different times. Maybe in a few months I'll overcome my > option > anxiety and try some experiments like Per has done. I still find that > there > are unexplored reaches in each box *alone*. (Harkening back to that > thread > on limits, there is something musical about having them) > > I have both and was going to sell my EDP (the RPTR is amazing!) but > backed > off, realizing that, as people have said: the EDP is better for live > playing. > esp vis a vis working with multiple loops; going from record straight > to > overdub; having many deep realtime options with immediate response. > Great > interactivity for improvisation where the EDP is like an > ultra-responsive > instrument, a mirror of your playing. But its only mono, and has no > effects > loop or storage... > > For me, Repeater is more of a 'composition' oriented machine with its > multiple tracks and file system. Also its wonderful for DJ type stuff > or > 'post production' with its effects loop, pitch shift features, and > ability > to move phrases around on an individual track basis. I find with the > RPTR I > more often than with EDP take my hands off my instrument, in order to > work > the midi sliders and effects parameters. BTW having that effects loop is > fantastic, and exponentially ups the ante for timbral and rhythmic > exploration. Not to speak of the sounds obtained by lowering the tempo > to 10 > or so without changing pitch :-) > > > > Neil Goldstein > Portland, Oregon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 05:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13332; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:15:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:15:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c1975b$659a1760$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: Behringer/Repeater questions. Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:12:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19718.554E7920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19718.554E7920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few questions about the Repeater and the new Behringer midi = controller-=20 1: Is there a way to set the fx insert to be before or after the input? = My idea is to be able to switch the EDP before/after Rptr on the fly-=20 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted = as if it was using the old 1.0 OS as far as some program changes are = concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to make sure = and same problem- any ideas? 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2: My friend brought his Behringer = controller over-=20 and the Rptr acted as if it was using the old 1.0 OS as far as some = program=20 changes are concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to = make=20 sure and same problem- any ideas?
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19718.554E7920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 07:51:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21716; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <14.2075b02e.296adeda@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:22:02 EST Subject: Re: Freedom's just another word.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Instead you're giving > the audience a foothold to help guide them into a musical world that quite > often is rather foreign and challenging to them. There are just not that > many folks who can be plopped down in the middle of some particularly > twisted improv & feel immediately comfortable. I think there's maybe an idea that music such as is labelled 'free-improv', 'avant-garde', or 'experimental' is unfamiliar to audiences, and that this is the root of its unpopularity. ...but that stuffs been going since the 60's, (at least). and while the exponents may feel themselves to be at the 'cutting edge of musical exploration' the negative reaction I've most often witnessed is 'oh no! they're doing that stuff again' ( but mostly there's just a small audience of appreciative fans) To hint that the potential audience is in some way to blame for being not well educated enough isn't very helpful. People appreciate Beethoven (for instance) without knowing how 'clever' it is. I was struck by Steve Lawson's suggestion that 'serious improvisers' might stop what they were playing and have a bit of a laugh with the audience if things didn't go well. sorry Steve, those guys never smile;-) So I'd say that 'free-improv'/ 'avant-garde'/'experimental' is a genre in the same way as Rock and Roll before it, and Progressive Rock after it. Let's not knock it, it's a genre which has produced superb music (and still does), but let's not give it 'special' status beyond other genres. andy butler (next one on-topic, promise) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 08:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22216; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:43:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:43:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:37:01 EST Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/7/02 9:05:21 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: << I could also go for some MIDI triggered automation, such as having a single message = a feedback % There could be a bunch of short cuts like that to free up your hands during a gig, but overall the flexibility of the Repeater makes it worth the extra knob twiddling. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have the tendency to overplay anyway, and it's good to leave a loop alone for a bit while you deal with another aspect of your performance. >> Same here. I recently went back, from a pedal board based looping set up, to a rack based system and have the Repeater in the top space of a 12 space SKB rack, where, when seated in front of it, I have access to all the digital tweakage needed - changing feedback, jumping from track to track, cueing loops, etc. Until Electrix implements a midi pedal initiated fade function, or visual cues as to where the "feedback" level is when controlled via midi, I'm perfectly happy with the 3 button footswitch and hands on tweakage. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:13:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29369; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:40:35 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP footpedal From: rob seiffert To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c1958a$d86c82a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/4/02 5:46 PM, Om_Audio at clifsound@mediaone.net wrote: > Why not try Trace Elliot? what are the benefits of the trace elliot over the edp pedal? -- rob seiffert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31835; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: Behringer/Repeater questions. Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:07:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001901c1975b$659a1760$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: <0OdjM.A.tqH.7nbO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There seems to be a number of typos in the new manual... Alan -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer/Repeater questions. A few questions about the Repeater and the new Behringer midi controller- 1: Is there a way to set the fx insert to be before or after the input? My idea is to be able to switch the EDP before/after Rptr on the fly- 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted as if it was using the old 1.0 OS as far as some program changes are concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to make sure and same problem- any ideas? Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:52:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00651; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:27:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:27:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Mon, 7 Jan 02 08:42:24 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:20:38 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Field Recordings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA00379 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the microcassette realm, I've happened upon (for free!) an old sony dictation playback machine that has a footswitch for controlling certain functions and sliders for playback speed, rewind speed (?) and volume. It has a small digital counter display and a line out as well. I haven't incorporated it into anything yet thoug, although it could prove interesting.... -K >>> "matt davignon" 01/04/02 08:20PM >>> Hi Mary Jane, I do, and I use a plain old Sony voice-activated cassette recorder that I bought at The Good Guys. I didn't have the funds to buy a minidisc recorder, and wound up being very glad that I didn't. I love the sound characteristics, accessibility, and versatility-during-performance of tape. The recorder I use was about $100 (Sony TCM-50DV), but aside from having a nice tape movement mechanism, it's not noticeably better than a similar model I got for $40 (Sony TCM-20DV). Both of these can record and play at normal and half speed. They also both have a nice analog pitch wheel that can let you speed it up OR slow it down by about 20%. I also got a recorder at Radio Shack for about $75 (CTR-118) that probably doesn't record as well, but has an analog speed lever that goes from 75% to 200% speed, as well as a pitch changer that doesn't change the speed. All three of these are used in my current live setup. Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 11:51:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05539; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:26:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:26:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 10:17:52 -0500 Subject: Lawson looping gig fiasco... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, so I'm an idiot... I see steve and andre's posts about the gig tonite at the knitting factory, Sunday, and I say, whoa, the community will meet... And I rush down to the knitting factory to see them both, anxious to meet my fellow artists, hear the music and hang... DUMBASS even wore his LD t-shirt to the gig, I'm just that corny... It's raining cats and dogs out and I'm tired anyway, having just flown back from... ......California. Thought you all might enjoy that... I think I'm reading these posts too fast T. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 12:41:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13110; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107121450.02a7bb50@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:16:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: whither studiomaster? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone have info about studiomaster? i have been trying to contact them to no avail... no one answers the cali number, and the UK number seems to have been disconnected... anyone got news on a possible bellyupification on them? thnks! a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 13:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14560; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:39:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:39:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <190.bd9ba5.296b35d7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:33:11 EST Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com todd wrote, >I see steve and andre's posts about the gig tonite at the knitting factory, >Sunday, and I say, whoa, the community will meet... And I rush down to >the >knitting factory to see them both, anxious to meet my fellow artists, hear >the music and hang... DUMBASS even wore his LD t-shirt to the gig, I'm >just >that corny... It's raining cats and dogs out and I'm tired anyway, having >just flown back from... > >......California. well, to be fair: herr lawson did say something about the 'world-famous' knitting factory, which would certainly lead one to believe that they were playing knitting factory/ny. *-) btw, fwiw: 'the knitting factory' is also sometimes known amongst a buncha musicians as 'the plantation'. *-) best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 13:50:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18960; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:26:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:19:55 -0500 Subject: Mastering software From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com quick question: I saw a post about the Ozone mastering software (a direct x plugin) not too terribly long ago, and gave the demo a try, but my recording software isn't too fond of direct x plugins (I crash every time I try to apply one). Does anyone use some stand-alone mastering software? Or could recommend any? I have both mac and pc at home, so the platform doesn't matter ... thanks! mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 13:57:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19617; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c197a8$da3e4b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:26:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it is pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that occurs is great- totally different moods etc- c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 13:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19502; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:33:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:33:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c197a8$d9766740$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions. Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:12:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <6xMeoC.A.1qE.qheO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which manual? lol c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Barnard" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: RE: Behringer/Repeater questions. > There seems to be a number of typos in the new manual... > > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Behringer/Repeater questions. > > > A few questions about the Repeater and the new Behringer midi controller- > > 1: Is there a way to set the fx insert to be before or after the input? My > idea is to be able to switch the EDP before/after Rptr on the fly- > > 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted as if > it was using the old 1.0 OS as far as some program changes are concerned- > worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to make sure and same > problem- any ideas? > > Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:00:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19875; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:37:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:37:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c197a8$d9d1f4c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP footpedal Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:13:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Trace Elliot actually manufactures the EDP and footpedals- that's all. :) c ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob seiffert" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: EDP footpedal > on 1/4/02 5:46 PM, Om_Audio at clifsound@mediaone.net wrote: > > > Why not try Trace Elliot? > > what are the benefits of the trace elliot over the edp pedal? > -- > rob seiffert > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23105; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:07:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:07:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:01:07 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: A negative review for 2002 >> Biting the biscuit... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04f201c197ad$a9ef8e70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5331AB79-0133-11D6-AE3E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... >"Ah...Bach." ... > ... i remember this one well... ahhhhh > > So next time you want to seem like what you do has some deep > intellectual meaning, just say something like, "I'm trying to transcend > futurism" or "I'm trying to take the principals that Carl Jung put forth > to my music." These should work like a charm, and are probably (though > not importantly) true. > > Good luck, > > Mark Sottilaro what about "I'm reaffirming the picture plane" (one of my favorites) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:33:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23443; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:10:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:10:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:56:06 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mastering software Message-ID: <20020107125606.T5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from feeneymike@yahoo.com on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:19:55PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com T-Racks. You can't go wrong. http://www.t-racks.com/ m On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:19:55PM -0500, Mike Feeney wrote: > > > quick question: I saw a post about the Ozone mastering software (a > direct x plugin) not too terribly long ago, and gave the demo a try, but my > recording software isn't too fond of direct x plugins (I crash every time I > try to apply one). Does anyone use some stand-alone mastering software? Or > could recommend any? I have both mac and pc at home, so the platform > doesn't matter ... > > thanks! > > mike > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24332; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:23:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:23:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:15:43 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c197af$b3f6ee20$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <190.bd9ba5.296b35d7@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the Repeater being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 which I use mostly for reverb. It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then begin soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and distort. I know this isn't necessarily caused by the Repeater since at this point, it is just one more sound producing unit in the signal path (at least I don't think it is the cause). Anyway, can someone tell me if I running everything in series is the main culprit and if this is why an aux send bus system is better for building up and playing layers of sound or am I missing something in properly balancing my gain structure? My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, compressor => Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, Repeater => Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House connection. I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation would apply if I used an EDP as well. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 15:14:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26293; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c197b3$6fc053a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <20020107125606.T5516@ratamacue.sounding.com> Subject: OT:Re: Mastering software Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:42:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed- T-Racks is a great prog if you can't use DX plugs- and even if you can! Great interface- But as for DX- the Waves L1 is awesome- if you can afford it- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Ross Davis" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Mastering software > T-Racks. You can't go wrong. > > http://www.t-racks.com/ > > m > > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:19:55PM -0500, Mike Feeney wrote: > > > > > > quick question: I saw a post about the Ozone mastering software (a > > direct x plugin) not too terribly long ago, and gave the demo a try, but my > > recording software isn't too fond of direct x plugins (I crash every time I > > try to apply one). Does anyone use some stand-alone mastering software? Or > > could recommend any? I have both mac and pc at home, so the platform > > doesn't matter ... > > > > thanks! > > > > mike > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 16:03:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30889; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:40:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:40:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:25:12 +0000 Subject: Re: whither studiomaster? From: "Paul Harriman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Instead, why not wonder at the news of UK console manufacturer Studiomaster going toes up. It seems that after the leaving their answerphone as a receptionist for the last month, the company has eventually written to companies advising that a disagreement with its Indian manufacturer has meant that no products have been despatched for a while. An email which has fallen magically into my hands from the company states that Studiomaster Diamond Limited has been put into 'administrative receivership,' however that they are 'hopeful that within the next few months we will be resupplying products under the Studiomaster brand name through an alternative manufacturer.'> Instead, why not wonder at the news of UK console manufacturer Studiomaster > going toes up. It seems that after the leaving their answerphone as a > receptionist for the last month, the company has eventually written to > companies advising that a disagreement with its Indian manufacturer has > meant that no products have been despatched for a while. An email which has > fallen magically into my hands from the company states that Studiomaster > Diamond Limited has been put into 'administrative receivership,' however > that they are 'hopeful that within the next few months we will be > resupplying products under the Studiomaster brand name through an > alternative manufacturer.' > from http://www.prosoundweb.com/news/gossip/indexgossip.shtml pax - paul ---------- >From: "anti:clockwise" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: whither studiomaster? >Date: Mon, Jan 7, 2002, 5:16 pm > > > does anyone have info about studiomaster? > i have been trying to contact them to no avail... no one answers the cali > number, and the UK number seems to have been disconnected... anyone got > news on a possible bellyupification on them? > > thnks! > > a:c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 16:11:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31682; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:47:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:47:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3A077D.8B8C1FC@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:39:25 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yikes! Sorry for the confusion, Todd. In all seriousness, the enthusiasm really is appreciated; I'm just sorry it went a bit askew. Well, I'm sure you left some good energy back here in CA prior to your leaving. I'll buy you a drink next time we're on the same coast. I don't know if the "perhaps-not-quite-world-famous" Hollywood Knitting Factory does live web streams, but it might be worth a check: http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla There's a guy before me at 8:00, I play at 8:30, and Steve hits the stage at 9:30 (pacific times, every last one). We're in the Alterknit Lounge. T minus eight hours and counting, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com todd reynolds wrote: > > Okay, so I'm an idiot... > > I see steve and andre's posts about the gig tonite at the knitting factory, > Sunday, and I say, whoa, the community will meet... And I rush down to the > knitting factory to see them both, anxious to meet my fellow artists, hear > the music and hang... DUMBASS even wore his LD t-shirt to the gig, I'm just > that corny... It's raining cats and dogs out and I'm tired anyway, having > just flown back from... > > ......California. > > Thought you all might enjoy that... I think I'm reading these posts too > fast > > T. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 17:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05088; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3A13FC.FF57DAAE@wanadoo.fr> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:32:44 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sustain References: <200201071034.FAA14502@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will not be a BIG help, but I remember a few things... A driver is basically a reverse pick with threeetime wider wire and three time less turns on the magnets... I remember a article (great, I can't find it anymore) abiut that that added that to get the driver to run, you needed a preamp onboard that would deliver (sorry, here I miss the exact info....) between 10 and 50 mA to the driver. Now there is the acoustic way. I remember a guy on the Stick list explaining this: He used a contact driver (kind of a loudspeaker without a membrane, used to drive surfaces like glass). He used a second amp (50 W) whose output was fed into the contact driver glued somehow on the back of his instrument. A vol pedal on the amp would allow to control amount of sustain with the foot. The WHOLE intrument would then resonate (very different tone than "usual sustainers", like the very early sustainiac system... Hope this helps. Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:32:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12950; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:10:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:10:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048CD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ideology in looping? Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:49:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C197CD.83F5ABD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C197CD.83F5ABD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ..but to be truly free it has to have room to morph into a jam band if that's where it goes. If the jam band tag becomes a stricture, or those things start to excert an influence beyond the music, the freedom has gone... :o) ** ya know, i see your point. but to me, the jam band thing isn't so free . . . i think it's okay that people who do free improv go there, but if that's all it is, i don't think it's free. i say this because part of the freedom thing can be in the intent to subvert the paradigm - - bass players don't have to play just bass lines, for instance; i'm not so sure that jam band stuff can deal with that. i guess it all comes down to your own definition . . . Absolutely - hearing him be a bit rubbish didn't in anyway diminish my respect for him, it just meant that I was made rather starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the gig as a listener, and was left wanting... I guess if they'd all fallen about laughing, said 'sorry, that was crap' and started again, I'd have enjoyed it a bit more... :o) ** sure, but there have been times when i thought a free gig was awful (or that i was awful in it) and others who were playing or the audience thought it was great . . . so we just carry the disappointment home with us and hope for another day. (sorta like any creative endeavor . . . ) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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..but to be truly free it has to have room to morph into = a jam band if that's where it goes. If the jam band tag becomes a

stricture, or those things start to excert an influence b= eyond the music, the freedom has gone... :o)

** ya know, i see your point. but to me, the jam band thi= ng isn't so free . . . i think it's okay that people who do free improv go = there, but if that's all it is, i don't think it's free. i say this because= part of the freedom thing can be in the intent to subvert the paradigm - -= bass players don't have to play just bass lines, for instance; i'm not so = sure that jam band stuff can deal with that. i guess it all comes down to y= our own definition . . .


Absolutely - hearing him be a bit rubbish didn't in anywa= y diminish my respect for him, it just meant that I was made rather<= /P>

starkly aware of the suppositions that I'd brought to the= gig as a listener, and was left wanting... I guess if they'd all

fallen about laughing, said 'sorry, that was crap' and st= arted again, I'd have enjoyed it a bit more... :o)

** sure, but there have been times when i thought a free = gig was awful (or that i was awful in it) and others who were playing or th= e audience thought it was great . . . so we just carry the disappointment h= ome with us and hope for another day. (sorta like any creative endeavor . .= . )

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C197CD.83F5ABD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:05:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15492; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:43:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Lawson looping gig fiasco... Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:37:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C3A077D.8B8C1FC@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As far as a cyberticket to the show tonight-- http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/live/index2.cfm I think they stream live on Real Player--wonder if we can get the Alternknit program as well--let's see . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19148; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:13:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:13:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.141] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <009501c197a8$da3e4b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:43:57 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 00:06:09.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[466F6480:01C197D8] Resent-Message-ID: <-4PQEC.A.LhE.QgjO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to second that notion. I was getting some way cool melody style parts happening. Almost techno style in the sound. Check it out if you haven't yet. Ritchie http://ninja.at/play Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:56 AM Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig > Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it is > pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that occurs > is great- totally different moods etc- > > c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 20:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25476; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:11:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:09:13 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i tried it but the real player said: requested link not found. the link you followed may be outdated or innaccurate. rtsp://208.144.19.133/encoder/knitlalive.rm but maybe that's what it does until the show starts???? on 1/7/02 3:37 PM, Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net wrote: > As far as a cyberticket to the show tonight-- > http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/live/index2.cfm > I think they stream live on Real Player--wonder if we can get the Alternknit > program as well--let's see . . . > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 21:59:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32202; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:36:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:36:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:29:30 EST Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <11iVb.A.UwH.amlO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a, >T minus eight hours and counting, i'm sure you'll have a successful launch..... best, dt / splatty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 22:03:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32540; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:40:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:40:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <86.14a97f3d.296bb473@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:33:23 EST Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com facehacker@hotmail.com writes: >I have to second that notion. I was getting some way cool melody style >parts happening. Almost techno style in the sound. .....which concept becomes overtly fun, when recording any/the midi-moves into a sequencer/arpeggiator! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 23:13:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05256; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <009501c197a8$da3e4b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:43:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 03:43:12.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[988FBB70:01C197F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have my repeater synched up to a hardware sequencer. When I play a B section, or reprise a section of a song, I can have the sequencer also shift the key of everything in the Repeater, so it follows along. Very cool - most people don't even seem to notice. The next trick would be to use the repeater as an audio arpegiator. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig > Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it is > pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that occurs > is great- totally different moods etc- > > c > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 23:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07162; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:01:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:01:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:54:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c197af$b3f6ee20$420e88cf@stevespc> Message-Id: <5DA6B393-03EB-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: Vortex=instrument level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking of getting a converter. Mark On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the Repeater > being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 which I use > mostly for reverb. > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then begin > soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and distort. I know > this isn't necessarily caused by the Repeater since at this point, it is > just one more sound producing unit in the signal path (at least I don't > think it is the cause). Anyway, can someone tell me if I running > everything in series is the main culprit and if this is why an aux send > bus system is better for building up and playing layers of sound or am I > missing something in properly balancing my gain structure? > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, compressor => > Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, Repeater => Lexicon > MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House connection. > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation would apply if I > used an EDP as well. > > Thanks, > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 00:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13274; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:28:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:28:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:30:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <5DA6B393-03EB-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <5DA6B393-03EB-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010800301600.03515@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, guitar->Vortex->Boomerang->Mixer easily clips on the Mixer inputs as soon as I flip on the overdrive and lay down a couple distorted layers. I'm constantly watching levels lest I get the awful digital crackle flavor distortion from my mixer. I'm thinking of investing in a second compressor for post-'Rang pre-Mixer limiting. Todd On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: Vortex=instrument > level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking of getting a converter. > > Mark > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the Repeater > > being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 which I use > > mostly for reverb. > > > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater > > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then begin > > soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and distort. I know > > this isn't necessarily caused by the Repeater since at this point, it is > > just one more sound producing unit in the signal path (at least I don't > > think it is the cause). Anyway, can someone tell me if I running > > everything in series is the main culprit and if this is why an aux send > > bus system is better for building up and playing layers of sound or am I > > missing something in properly balancing my gain structure? > > > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, compressor => > > Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, Repeater => Lexicon > > MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House connection. > > > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation would apply if I > > used an EDP as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 01:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14017; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:40:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:40:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:34:04 -0800 Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <54509712-03F9-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't notice! Great show though, had to leave soon after Jon's set so the SFPD could impound my car (didn't get my registration renewal and I'm used to reg lasting 2 years. D'oh! I'm a looser. To get an idea of what my day was like today, see Primus's DMV song) The second band (I caught a DL4 on the floor) was really good as well. That club seemed really loop/electronica friendly. It's good to see live electronica, but I think I would have liked to have heard more Stick out of Jon. MORE! Maybe have a partner on the 808? I'm wrestling with that one myself. My damn MC-307 pilot went out and bought a Chapman Stick! Mark Sottilaro On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 07:43 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > I have my repeater synched up to a hardware sequencer. When I play a B > section, or reprise a section of a song, I can have the sequencer also > shift > the key of everything in the Repeater, so it follows along. Very cool - > most > people don't even seem to notice. The next trick would be to use the > repeater as an audio arpegiator. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig > > >> Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it >> is >> pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that >> occurs >> is great- totally different moods etc- >> >> c >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 01:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17032; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:17:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:17:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:10:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <190.bd9ba5.296b35d7@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 1/7/02 12:33 PM, "Hedewa7@aol.com" wrote: > todd wrote, >> I see steve and andre's posts about the gig tonite at the knitting factory, >> Sunday, and I say, whoa, the community will meet... And I rush down to >> the >> knitting factory to see them both, anxious to meet my fellow artists, hear >> the music and hang... DUMBASS even wore his LD t-shirt to the gig, I'm >> just >> that corny... It's raining cats and dogs out and I'm tired anyway, having >> just flown back from... >> >> ......California. > well, > to be fair: > herr lawson did say something about the 'world-famous' knitting factory, > which would certainly lead one to believe that they were playing knitting > factory/ny. > *-) > btw, fwiw: > 'the knitting factory' is also sometimes known amongst a buncha musicians as > 'the plantation'. > *-) > best, > dt / splattercell > Yep. Got that... Heard worse as well... But to other more pleasant pursuits... got both splattercell albums today in the mail from amazon... Cd player travels with me tomorrow... T. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 01:55:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17929; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:32:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <165.66a8db6.296beadd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:25:33 EST Subject: DreamLand "Underwater" cd shameless cd release promotion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings! DreamLand is Johnny A. Rodriguez (synths, keyboards, Native American flutes and extended vocals) and James H, Sidlo (guitar, loops, atmospherics). Ambient and other worldly instrumentals. Live pieces: "Sunspots", "Brief Moon" and "Underterwater" from The Clipper Ship Book Store and KSYM San Antonio College radio. Also a studio extended vocal track: "I Frequency, Dream in Soundwaves". The cd is available for ten dollars, plus shipping from: www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com. Or contact me. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 07:18:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08033; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:56:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <61.18f2fc12.296c36e1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:49:53 EST Subject: OT: Re: Lawson looping gig fiasco... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com todd r writes: >Yep. Got that... Heard worse as well... But to other more pleasant >pursuits... got both splattercell albums today in the mail from amazon... cool..... thanks! 'tis just a bit sad that those're my most recent offerings: finished in june 1999, not released til 2000. anyway: new splatter-set's almost finished, but for 2 tracks w/orchestral strings & a coupla 'band'-tracks..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 09:03:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15161; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:35:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:35:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:28:00 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01c19848$4af3bf40$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <02010800301600.03515@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then maybe I should put my compressor after the Repeater as well, just before I run it through the Lexicon MPX1? Steve > Yeah, guitar->Vortex->Boomerang->Mixer easily clips on the > Mixer inputs as soon as I flip on the overdrive and lay down > a couple distorted layers. > I'm constantly watching levels lest I get the awful digital > crackle flavor > distortion from my mixer. I'm thinking of investing in a > second compressor for post-'Rang pre-Mixer limiting. > > Todd > > > On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: > > Vortex=instrument level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking > of getting > > a converter. > > > > Mark > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the > > > Repeater being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 > > > which I use mostly for reverb. > > > > > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater > > > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then > > > begin soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and > > > distort. I know this isn't necessarily caused by the > Repeater since > > > at this point, it is just one more sound producing unit in the > > > signal path (at least I don't think it is the cause). > Anyway, can > > > someone tell me if I running everything in series is the main > > > culprit and if this is why an aux send bus system is better for > > > building up and playing layers of sound or am I missing > something in > > > properly balancing my gain structure? > > > > > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, > > > compressor => Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, > > > Repeater => Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House > > > connection. > > > > > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation > would apply if > > > I used an EDP as well. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 10:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21831; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace Meyer" To: Subject: EDP for sale on EBay for Europeans Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:00:29 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c19855$404fd3a0$18f72a3f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-rNMV.A.iRF.kmwO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there-- I notice this http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1402787664 only has a day left and not much bidding yet-- For all you European loop people The Echoplex is the best (but I really gotta get a Repeater soon) Gary (or whatever) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 11:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23611; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:30:40 -0800 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Behringer/Repeater questions References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Y-wFD.A.nqF.UBxO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted as if it was using the old 1.0 > OS as far as some program changes are concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to > make sure and same problem- any ideas? ... > There seems to be a number of typos in the new manual... I found a lot of # errors in the PC column, but have been doing fine w/CC. I recently got the Behringer FCB1010 controller, and am having a great time with it. It's my first experience w/midiboard. The thing hummed a bit at first, but I think it was just nervous about my programming skills...it's much better now! I'm including how I programmed a couple banks...much of this info was kindly given me by Alan, which helped A LOT (thanks, Alan)! If any of you have additional suggestions (including any trick "two at one time" switches), it would be dug! bank 00: 01 record (cc86 value=127) 02 undo (cc89 value=127) 03 erase loop (cc108 value=123) 04 play (cc85 value=127) 05 stop (cc87 value=127) 06 track select 1/2 (cc90 value=127) 07 track select 3/4 (cc91 value=127) 08 loop select down (cc97 value=127) 09 loop select up (cc96 value=127) 10 multiply loop (cc102 value=127) On each preset I have the expression pedals configured as follows: ExpA track level 1/2 (cc110 values=0-127) ExpB track level 3/4 (cc111 values=0-127) ================================= Bank 01: 01 record (cc86 value=127) 02 undo (cc89 value=127) 03 play (cc85 value=127) 04 stop (cc87 value=127) 05 fx insert (cc103 value=16 (fx on imput) (R ex ped fx not active? (cc 103 value 0-1)) 06 track select 1 (cc80 value=127) 07 track select 2 (cc81 value=127) 08 track select3 (cc82 value=127) 09 track select4 (cc83 value=127) 10 reverse loop (cc84 value=127) (R ex ped cc 84 value 0-1) Bank 02: 01 Feedback (cc11 (R ex ped cc 84 value 0-127) ... > Until Electrix implements a midi pedal initiated fade function, > or visual cues as to where the "feedback" level is when controlled via midi, > I'm perfectly happy with the 3 button footswitch and hands on tweakage. - That would be nice. Still, with the expression pedal, one can get fairly close to desired % feedback with practice (and sensitive Looper'sock) It would be also great to Erase select tracks, and not just the whole loop (but whole loop erase is better than nothing!). David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 12:44:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31665; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:18:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:18:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.196.103] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Question Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:12:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 17:12:51.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[B423E7F0:01C19867] Resent-Message-ID: <0CnSvC.A.9oH.yiyO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between two effects? Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 12:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00309; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3B2C0E.CFB06BF8@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:27:43 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9hOJRB.A.W5H.KyyO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one of the Proel controllers (the one with the internal cable) and it works pretty well (and at only $30 its a deal). http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2002010811241356&menu=&keyword=&item=PRL+PVP16L Kevin Chris Olden wrote: > Hello, > I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works > best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between > two effects? > Thanks! > Chris Olden > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00968; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:44:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:44:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3B2D89.FFDEA216@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:34:01 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com roland EV5 works 100% claude Chris Olden wrote: > > Hello, > I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works > best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between > two effects? > Thanks! > Chris Olden > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:26:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03626; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:04:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:04:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c1986d$e55821a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:56:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes- but CC are hogs in some cases-for example: takes two separate pedals just to Reverse both ways where as a PC would only use 1. I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaViD AuKeR" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:30 AM Subject: RE: Behringer/Repeater questions > > 2: My friend brought his Behringer controller over- and the Rptr acted as if it was using the old 1.0 > > OS as far as some program changes are concerned- worked fine using CC but I re-installed OS 1.1 to > > make sure and same problem- any ideas? > ... > > There seems to be a number of typos in the new manual... > > I found a lot of # errors in the PC column, but have been doing fine > w/CC. > > I recently got the Behringer FCB1010 controller, and am having a great > time with it. It's my first experience w/midiboard. The thing hummed a > bit at first, but I think it was just nervous about my programming > skills...it's much better now! I'm including how I programmed a couple > banks...much of this info was kindly given me by Alan, which helped .A > LOT. (thanks, Alan)! If any of you have additional suggestions > (including any trick "two at one time" switches), it would be dug! > > bank 00: > > 01 record (cc86 value=127) > 02 undo (cc89 value=127) > 03 erase loop (cc108 value=123) > 04 play (cc85 value=127) > 05 stop (cc87 value=127) > 06 track select 1/2 (cc90 value=127) > 07 track select 3/4 (cc91 value=127) > 08 loop select down (cc97 value=127) > 09 loop select up (cc96 value=127) > 10 multiply loop (cc102 value=127) > On each preset I have the expression pedals configured as follows: > ExpA track level 1/2 (cc110 values=0-127) > ExpB track level 3/4 (cc111 values=0-127) > ================================= > Bank 01: > > 01 record (cc86 value=127) > 02 undo (cc89 value=127) > 03 play (cc85 value=127) > 04 stop (cc87 value=127) > 05 fx insert (cc103 value=16 (fx on imput) (R ex ped fx not active? (cc > 103 value 0-1)) > 06 track select 1 (cc80 value=127) > 07 track select 2 (cc81 value=127) > 08 track select3 (cc82 value=127) > 09 track select4 (cc83 value=127) > 10 reverse loop (cc84 value=127) (R ex ped cc 84 value 0-1) > > Bank 02: > 01 Feedback (cc11 (R ex ped cc 84 value 0-127) > ... > > Until Electrix implements a midi pedal initiated fade function, > > or visual cues as to where the "feedback" level is when controlled via midi, > > I'm perfectly happy with the 3 button footswitch and hands on weakage. - > > That would be nice. Still, with the expression pedal, one can get > fairly close to desired % feedback with practice (and sensitive > Looper'sock) It would be also great to Erase select tracks, and not > just the whole loop (but whole loop erase is better than nothing!). > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:31:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03501; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:03:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:03:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c1986d$e4e2a380$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Vortex Question Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:52:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris- Check the archives and also the Vortex web page- link is on Looper's website- tons of info there. I used a Boss EV-5 with mine until one of the Vortex encoders broke again on mine- :/ Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Olden" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Vortex Question > > > > Hello, > I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works > best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between > two effects? > Thanks! > Chris Olden > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05986; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020108102536.0204ab58@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:36:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions In-Reply-To: <003601c1986d$e55821a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think they do that to make things 'easier' or 'more comfortable' for people. In the world of MIDI, most values start at 0. There are 16 channels: 0-15. There are 128 program changes possible: 0-127. Likewise with CCs. Many devices display these 0 based numbers as 1 based numbers in their UI and documentation: channels 1-16, programs 1-128, CCs 1-128. But many devices use both 0 based numbers and 1 based numbers for different things: channels 1-16, program changes 0-127, etc. So when you program a footcontroller you need to know whether channels, program changes and control changes are 0 or 1 based (on the controller and at the controllee). At 09:56 AM 1/8/2002, Cliff wrote: >I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 >number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual >says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 14:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06975; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:45:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:45:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201081840.g08Ie3x11956@chmls20.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:27:14 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Behringer/Repeater questions To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA06451 Resent-Message-ID: <8Z2rU.A.KlB.hyzO8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some go from 0-127, and some go 1-128...hence the "offset" deknow >> Yes- but CC are hogs in some cases-for example: takes two separate pedals >> just to Reverse both ways where as a PC would only use 1. >> I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 >> number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual >> says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? >> Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 14:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07156; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:46:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:46:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.161.212.176] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF Show: Noun Sound: People, Place, Thing Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:39:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 18:39:30.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF1E3950:01C19873] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Noun Sound: People, Place, Thing Friday, January 18 Door 8:00 pm, performance 8:30 pm sharp. $6-10 sliding scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. ----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- Noun Sound: an evening of west coast sound art. 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The work is described as intricate, indifferent, forceful. It is presented with images of pieces of ships and water.' The CD of work lll was described in Incursion Music Review 029 as 'fill[ing] the space rather nicely with a sort of tangible sound, sound that you seem to breathe in with your lungs (you'll really notice its absence when the disc ends; like the shock of turning off the light in a room, your senses immediately have to grow accustomed to the change).' You host is quiet american: http://www.quietamerican.org. This is futon music. Seating will be on futons to encourage comfortable and deep listening. Out of respect for winter, hot drinks will be available. ----> Venue Info <------------------------------------------------------ 964 Natoma (between 10th and 11th, and Mission and Howard) San Francisco, CA 94103 A few blocks from Civic Center BART. One block from Market & Van Ness. Bike parking inside. 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Contact ghede@well.com. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 14:26:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09758; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:03:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:03:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:56:29 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c19876$2e6a0ef0$a9141cac@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7ABF5832-034D-11D6-8445-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 18:56:27.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D381EA0:01C19876] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > I could also go for some > MIDI triggered automation, such as having a single > message = a feedback % Isn't sending MIDI CC # 11 the exact same thing? You don't get the visual indication from the front panel, but it still works. -Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 14:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09514; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c19875$f26845c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> <4.3.2.7.2.20020108102536.0204ab58@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:54:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for the info! Rich, you getting all of this? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions > I think they do that to make things 'easier' or 'more comfortable' for people. > > In the world of MIDI, most values start at 0. There are 16 channels: > 0-15. There are 128 program changes possible: 0-127. Likewise with > CCs. Many devices display these 0 based numbers as 1 based numbers in > their UI and documentation: channels 1-16, programs 1-128, CCs 1-128. But > many devices use both 0 based numbers and 1 based numbers for different > things: channels 1-16, program changes 0-127, etc. > > So when you program a footcontroller you need to know whether channels, > program changes and control changes are 0 or 1 based (on the controller and > at the controllee). > > > At 09:56 AM 1/8/2002, Cliff wrote: > > >I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 > >number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual > >says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 15:21:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14631; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023a01c1987d$ff271590$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com><3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> <4.3.2.7.2.20020108102536.0204ab58@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:52:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think they do that to make things 'easier' or 'more comfortable' for people. > In the world of MIDI, most values start at 0. There are 16 channels: > 0-15. There are 128 program changes possible: 0-127. Likewise with > . . . Yes, comfort depends on what you're used to. Computer Scientists start counting at zero. How's that old joke go?? Q: How does the aerobic instructor count repititions? A: If they're a normal person - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... If they're a Rocket Scientist - 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, If they're a Computer Scientist - 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ... If they're an Assembly Language Programmer - 0, 1, 10, 11, 100, 101, ... If they're a Musician (Western European tradition) - 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, ... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 15:24:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14948; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:02:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:02:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006e01c19875$f26845c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <200201072332.SAA14546@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C3B10A0.28B1@Hevanet.Com.> <4.3.2.7.2.20020108102536.0204ab58@pop.mindspring.com> <006e01c19875$f26845c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:46:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thank you for the info! > >Rich, you getting all of this? > >Cliff yes, thank you. now if you will just bring your repeater over to my place, i would be happy to program my foot controller to operate it nicely. i'm not sure exactly WHEN i'll be able to get it back to you, however... best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 16:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17453; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:36:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:36:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:28:44 EST Subject: Re: Vortex pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello, > > I wanted to know if there is a control pedal that works > > best with the Vortex; to control the morphing between > > two effects? > > Thanks! > > Chris Olden That's two good suggestions you've had already ...add also the Bespeco VM 18L get all the relevant info at Lexicon Vortex Database andy butler (on-topic) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 18:34:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30387; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <54509712-03F9-11D6-AE4C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:01:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 23:01:34.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B167790:01C19898] Resent-Message-ID: <0LiaGB.A.2QH.tp3O8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I didn't notice! Great show though, had to leave soon after Jon's set > so the SFPD could impound my car (didn't get my registration renewal and > I'm used to reg lasting 2 years. D'oh! I'm a looser. To get an idea > of what my day was like today, see Primus's DMV song) The second band > (I caught a DL4 on the floor) was really good as well. That club seemed > really loop/electronica friendly. It's good to see live electronica, > but I think I would have liked to have heard more Stick out of Jon. Yes, I think that was my conclusion as well. It really isn't possible to do justice to everything in an arrangement at once while playing busy, uptempo stuff - the kind that gets people dancing. It's also difficult not to sound stale when only one instrument is actually live and you are manipulating synths and samples for all the rest. I played the gig anyway, though, since I can't wait until the rest of the band shows up, to hone my live skills especially with such a complex set of gear to deal with. I'm hoping to find some partners in crime around the city - ideally, a keyboard player who can play really funk electric piano and clav, and a singer and drummer. If anyone here is interested, or knows anyone, give me a call. 415.706.7376 > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 07:43 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > > > I have my repeater synched up to a hardware sequencer. When I play a B > > section, or reprise a section of a song, I can have the sequencer also > > shift > > the key of everything in the Repeater, so it follows along. Very cool - > > most > > people don't even seem to notice. The next trick would be to use the > > repeater as an audio arpegiator. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:26 AM > > Subject: Re: FW: EDP and Repeater in Rig > > > > > >> Just a note- I plugged a keyboard into the Rptr to control pich and it > >> is > >> pretty cool- if you have chords in the Rptr- the transposition that > >> occurs > >> is great- totally different moods etc- > >> > >> c > >> > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:56:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04422; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:33:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:33:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048E5@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: so cal, usa, gig spam: Kaiser, Liebig, Stinson, Ray at Art City I I.... 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C198A4.389FF4B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 20:48:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09159; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:25:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:25:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c198a3$623c6160$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Houston TX area loopers? Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:20:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK - here's my voice in the wilderness... Are there any Houston TX people on Loopers Delight? Any of you interested in getting together with a guitar looping kinda guy (1 strat, 2 EDPs, 2 amps, lotsa strange ideas)? Just a thought. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 23:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20134; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:45:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:45:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <54.20ee18ad.296d14b1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:36:17 EST Subject: AFM members? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54.20ee18ad.296d14b1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_54.20ee18ad.296d14b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM? If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as to not undercut as a member of the AFM? What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you are working for peanuts? I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member.... So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and your take on this... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_54.20ee18ad.296d14b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM?

If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as to not undercut as a member of the AFM?

What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you are working for peanuts?

I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member....

So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and your take on this...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards...
--part1_54.20ee18ad.296d14b1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 23:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24335; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <54.20ee18ad.296d14b1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:19:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: AFM members? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM? > >If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do >looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as >to not undercut as a member of the AFM? > >What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you >are working for peanuts? > >I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it >seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member.... > >So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and >your take on this... > >Thanks, >Gregory Bruce Campbell >www.kickstartchubby.com >Please, NO forwards... Addictions Foundation of Manitoba? Nah. I'm nowhere near there. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 00:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26369; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:50:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:50:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <88.120bdb1f.296d24ad@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:44:29 EST Subject: NEW SITE!!! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_88.120bdb1f.296d24ad_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_88.120bdb1f.296d24ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow it sems like it took forever to me, and i'm sure nobody cares... But my new mp3.com page just became available... http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/347/freak_wincing.html I would sincerely appreciate your participation and constructive criticism to open my new site with a BANG... I have so far recorded at least 90% of my experience with my EDP units. It is all up on my site as it becomes aproved by mp3.com (mistakes and all) *see the info tab By the way I am very interested in hearing everyone elses work as well and would sincerely appreciate personal e-mails directing me to mp3's on the internet of anyones work... I am especially interested in tapping / stick / touch style instruments, and multi strung basses. But really I'm into all of it! I'm looking forward to your support and hearing your music as well! Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_88.120bdb1f.296d24ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow it sems like it took forever to me, and i'm sure nobody cares...

But my new mp3.com page just became available...

http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/347/freak_wincing.html

I would sincerely appreciate your participation and constructive criticism to open my new site with a BANG...

I have so far recorded at least 90% of my experience with my EDP units. It is all up on my site as it becomes aproved by mp3.com (mistakes and all) *see the info tab

By the way I am very interested in hearing everyone elses work as well and would sincerely appreciate personal e-mails directing me to mp3's on the internet of anyones work...

I am especially interested in tapping / stick / touch style instruments, and multi strung basses. But really I'm into all of it!

I'm looking forward to your support and hearing your music as well!

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards...
--part1_88.120bdb1f.296d24ad_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 00:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29694; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:23:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <150.6f6bb2d.296d2c34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:16:36 EST Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be discussed and arranged. Best regards, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 01:03:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31264; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:41:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:45:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <002f01c19848$4af3bf40$420e88cf@stevespc> In-Reply-To: <002f01c19848$4af3bf40$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010900450700.01566@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it seems to me that you'd want a compressor/limiter in front of whatever device is receiving the largest fluctuations in gain and thus distorting unpleasantly. I've seen some rules of thumb for guitarists using compressors that recommend one as the first device in the chain to provide a great signal feeding whatever processors follow and then a second at the end of the chain to reign it all back in and clean it up before feeding mixers, tapes, PAs, etc.. Seems like good logic to me. Of course, there's a wealth of information on compressors out there that could shed some light on the topic, but in depth discussion is probably better suited to a general audio list. In the end, the best bet is to play around with whatever you can get your hands on (or off if you're into the minimalist thing) until you find something that you like to hear. :) Todd On Tue, 08 Jan 2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > Then maybe I should put my compressor after the Repeater as well, just > before I run it through the Lexicon MPX1? > > Steve > > > Yeah, guitar->Vortex->Boomerang->Mixer easily clips on the > > Mixer inputs as soon as I flip on the overdrive and lay down > > a couple distorted layers. > > I'm constantly watching levels lest I get the awful digital > > crackle flavor > > distortion from my mixer. I'm thinking of investing in a > > second compressor for post-'Rang pre-Mixer limiting. > > > > Todd > > > > On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: > > > Vortex=instrument level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking > > > > of getting > > > > > a converter. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my rig, with the > > > > Repeater being the next to last item just before my Lexicon MPX1 > > > > which I use mostly for reverb. > > > > > > > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in Repeater > > > > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating loop and then > > > > begin soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and > > > > distort. I know this isn't necessarily caused by the > > > > Repeater since > > > > > > at this point, it is just one more sound producing unit in the > > > > signal path (at least I don't think it is the cause). > > > > Anyway, can > > > > > > someone tell me if I running everything in series is the main > > > > culprit and if this is why an aux send bus system is better for > > > > building up and playing layers of sound or am I missing > > > > something in > > > > > > properly balancing my gain structure? > > > > > > > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, > > > > compressor => Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects loop, > > > > Repeater => Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon => direct box for House > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation > > > > would apply if > > > > > > I used an EDP as well. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 01:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32292; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:53:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:53:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c198d0$5921ee60$270c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #250 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:41:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <3drHzD.A.lxH.ll9O8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #250 January 3, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. A master of drones, Mathias is a prolific creator of ambient music from his studio in Germany. The vinyl show starter was an LP by Robert Schroder. Mathias Grassow http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Robert Schroder Part 1 Galxie Cygnus-A (IC) John Lakveet Circumvolito Sequentiagite (Vagern) VA [Spacecraft] House of Gaudi Tracks Across the Universe (none) Stephanie Sante Topaz Immaculate Conceptions (MP3.COM) Steve Roach Hovering Collection 1 (Timeroom) Steve Roach Day Two * Stormwarning (Timeroom) Richard Bone A Column of Glyphs Tales from the Incantina (Indium) 12:00 am Mathias Grassow Lancelot's Dream Prophecy Mathias Grassow Elm's Fire Prophecy Mathias Grassow Backwards Through Time Prophecy Mathias Grassow Temptation Prophecy Mathias Grassow Guinevere Prophecy Mathias Grassow Emerald Forest Prophecy Mathias Grassow Mission Prophecy Mathias Grassow Cornish Coast Prophecy Mathias Grassow Quest Prophecy 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Conrad Schnitzler. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 02:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04352; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:39:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c198d6$e62767d0$580a0a0a@AP200> From: "r paul seymour" To: Subject: FS: Korg AM 8000r Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:28:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello.... i'm sure you all know what this is so, i'll be brief: Korg AM 8000r effects processor. racked once, looks mint - rack screw scratches. works great. $300. email me if interested. thanks! resonance@rpsx.nu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 02:03:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04408; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:40:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:40:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:34:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <150.6f6bb2d.296d2c34@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm planning on going on Saturday--guess I'll be wearing my LD T Gary -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there Hi All, Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be discussed and arranged. Best regards, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 04:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16177; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:19:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:19:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c198ee$19b1b6c0$6463f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201090514.AAA29101@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: NORTHERN CALIFORNIA GIG SPAM: Santa Cruz Looping Festival Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:14:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is just to remind anybody in the Northern California region that we will be having Santa Cruz Looping Festival this coming Sunday, January 13th at the Cayuga Vault (corner of Cayuga Street and Soquel Avenue) in Santa Cruz. The show starts at 8 p.m and there is a $10 donation requested (and no one will be turned away for lack of funds!). On this wonderful bill will be headliner STEVE LAWSON, the brilliant and highly musical fretless bassist from London, England BILL WALKER guitar and guitar synth wizard ORBIS a duo from Sacramento featuring guitarist Mark Harmon (of the 77s) and bassist, Mark Roe yours truly, RICK WALKER's loop.pool and a special guerilla suprise visit from Loopers Delights' resident expert on damn near everything (and I say this with the greatest of respect) DR. RICHARD ZVONAR The next evening, Steve and I will present solo sets and an extended improvisational duet set at the ESPRESSON GARDENS on Bascomb Avenue in San Jose. I hope you can all make it!!! Take care and loop on!!! Yours, in the "year of the palindrome" , 2002, Loop.pooL :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 09:48:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06132; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:26:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:26:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:20:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. I look forward to meeting you, Carl Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there Hi All, Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be discussed and arranged. Best regards, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 11:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14060; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:05:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:05:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.20631d9f.296dc14e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:52:46 EST Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <8SA7CD.A.m-C.idGP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KILLINFO@aol.com writes: >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be >discussed and arranged. i'm not too wonderful, but i *may* go to namm, this year. y'all's? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 11:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12378; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:57:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:57:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.1fbd0011.296dc0d5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:50:45 EST Subject: Re: AFM members? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KkstrtChby@aol.com writes: >Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM? *yes*. if you do *any* recordings for commercial release, at all, it is invaluable --- though sometimes a p.i.a. --- to be an afm member & support the union whenever feasible. >If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do >looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold >as to >not undercut as a member of the AFM? again: invaluable for recording musicians. for live gigs, well..... avoid the afm-contracts, when necessary..... >What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why >you are working for peanuts? see above. >I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but >it >seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member.... ..... which seems to me has nothing to do with 'being a looper', everything to do with one's willingness/interest to take on non-paying performances..... >So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and >your >take on this... that was my (simplistic) zwei pfenig..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 11:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15314; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:21:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:21:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:09:30 -0600 Message-ID: <003001c19928$05779870$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <02010900450700.01566@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Todd, Thanks for your comments. Even though it appears to be a discussion about compressors, my original question dealt with the Output signal becoming overloading and distorting because of the additional volume/sound being created by the looping device. In this case a Repeater. My question was an attempt to find out how best to get my gain structure set so that when I started adding in layers and layers of additional sound, my output didn't distort. Since I am running my setup in series (see my original message) there seems to be a tendency for the Repeater to add significant amounts of additional gain with each layer created for my sound. Thanks, Steve > Well, it seems to me that you'd want a compressor/limiter in front of > whatever device is receiving the largest fluctuations in gain > and thus > distorting unpleasantly. I've seen some rules of thumb for > guitarists using > compressors that recommend one as the first device in the > chain to provide a > great signal feeding whatever processors follow and then a > second at the end > of the chain to reign it all back in and clean it up before > feeding mixers, > tapes, PAs, etc.. Seems like good logic to me. > > Of course, there's a wealth of information on compressors out > there that > could shed some light on the topic, but in depth discussion > is probably > better suited to a general audio list. In the end, the best > bet is to play > around with whatever you can get your hands on (or off if > you're into the > minimalist thing) until you find something that you like to hear. :) > > Todd > > On Tue, 08 Jan 2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > Then maybe I should put my compressor after the Repeater as > well, just > > before I run it through the Lexicon MPX1? > > > > Steve > > > > > Yeah, guitar->Vortex->Boomerang->Mixer easily clips on the Mixer > > > inputs as soon as I flip on the overdrive and lay down a couple > > > distorted layers. I'm constantly watching levels lest I get the > > > awful digital crackle flavor > > > distortion from my mixer. I'm thinking of investing in a > > > second compressor for post-'Rang pre-Mixer limiting. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: > > > > Vortex=instrument level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking > > > > > > of getting > > > > > > > a converter. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > > > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my > rig, with the > > > > > Repeater being the next to last item just before my > Lexicon MPX1 > > > > > which I use mostly for reverb. > > > > > > > > > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in > > > > > Repeater > > > > > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating > loop and then > > > > > begin soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and > > > > > distort. I know this isn't necessarily caused by the > > > > > > Repeater since > > > > > > > > at this point, it is just one more sound producing > unit in the > > > > > signal path (at least I don't think it is the cause). > > > > > > Anyway, can > > > > > > > > someone tell me if I running everything in series is the main > > > > > culprit and if this is why an aux send bus system is > better for > > > > > building up and playing layers of sound or am I missing > > > > > > something in > > > > > > > > properly balancing my gain structure? > > > > > > > > > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, > > > > > compressor => Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects > > > > > loop, Repeater => Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon => direct box > for House > > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation > > > > > > would apply if > > > > > > > > I used an EDP as well. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 12:23:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17449; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:50:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:32:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep...i'll be there. gonna try and go on Thursday and maybe Friday... i'd be happy to say hello to anybody who's going that day. perhaps meeting at a specific booth might help, since i'm still fuzzy about the 'what is where' of the Anaheim convention center... my haunts this year will, amongst others, will most likely be: electrix booth emagic booth qsc booth propellerheads booth electroharmonix booth fender room line6 booth renaissance guitars transperformance booth event booth i might suggest the electroharmonix booth, since from past experience, it's usually just an open area that's not packed with cubicle walls and tons of product. and we gots our tshirts to recognize now, and we can stop doing that L shape on our forehead... maybe we can all gather and scream at electroharmonix..."where is the damn EH-16 reissue!?!" anywho...let me know what y'all are doin. best, rich >I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. > >I look forward to meeting you, > >Carl Jacobson > >-----Original Message----- >From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there > >Hi All, > >Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers >out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between >the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around >the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be >discussed and arranged. > >Best regards, > >Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 12:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19822; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:10:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:10:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:57:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <003001c19928$05779870$420e88cf@stevespc> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Repeater. My question was an attempt to find out how best to get my > gain structure set so that when I started adding in layers and layers of > additional sound, my output didn't distort. Since I am running my setup > in series (see my original message) there seems to be a tendency for > the Repeater to add significant amounts of additional gain with each > layer created for my sound. > > Thanks, > Steve As far as I see you can fix this in two ways. 1 --> turn down Repeater input gain: You can add more layers until Repeater overloads. 2 --> turn down Repeater feedback: Old layers will fade as you add new layers and Repeater will not overload. Best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 12:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20964; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:28:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:28:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:13:41 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #17 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 > number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual > says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? > > Cliff Some MIDI controllers won't send the same PC twice in a row, so using PC+1 for the same function is a work around for this. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 13:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22783; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:55:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:55:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:50:32 -0800 Message-ID: <001301c19936$223b7450$17a8a8c0@penser1> From: "shawn" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C198F3.13FFCA50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C198F3.13FFCA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please unsubscribe me from your yahoo group. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C198F3.13FFCA50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C198F3.13FFCA50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 13:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25286; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:13:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:13:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08048F3@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: AFM members? Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19937.7B470EF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19937.7B470EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** this post brought up one of my biggest pet peeves about the afm. i used to be a member, but it wasn't something i really needed to do any longer. i haven't been a member for something like 8 years now. they STILL try to hit me up for work dues on gigs at small jazz clubs/series or coffee shops. i called 'em and asked 'em to desist, but two months later they were back to it. (apparently they have someone scouring the jazz club/concert listings for "members.") i find it mind-boggling that they charge their members (or non-members) work dues for playing their own music for little or no compensation (i know guys who have to pay other guys to play their music and lose money and then still have to pay the union its ridiculous work dues). why they don't have an equity-waiver system like the actor's guild i'll never know. imho, the union is a rip-off . . . unless, as david t says, you are doing serious recording work, etc., on a regular basis. (and still, if you're one of those who plays your own music, i think it rips you off for the "privilege" of being in the afm.) sorry about the rant, stig -----Original Message----- From: KkstrtChby@aol.com [mailto:KkstrtChby@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AFM members? Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM? If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as to not undercut as a member of the AFM? What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you are working for peanuts? I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member.... So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and your take on this... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19937.7B470EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
** this post brought up one of my biggest pet peeves about the afm.
 
i used to be a member, but it wasn't something i really needed to do any longer. i haven't been a member for something like 8 years now. they STILL try to hit me up for work dues on gigs at small jazz clubs/series or coffee shops. i called 'em and asked 'em to desist, but two months later they were back to it. (apparently they have someone scouring the jazz club/concert listings for "members.")
 
i find it mind-boggling that they charge their members (or non-members) work dues for playing their own music for little or no compensation (i know guys who have to pay other guys to play their music and lose money and then still have to pay the union its ridiculous work dues).
 
why they don't have an equity-waiver system like the actor's guild i'll never know.
 
imho, the union is a rip-off . . . unless, as david t says, you are doing serious recording work, etc., on a regular basis. (and still, if you're one of those who plays your own music, i think it rips you off for the "privilege" of being in the afm.)
 
sorry about the rant,
 
stig
-----Original Message-----
From: KkstrtChby@aol.com [mailto:KkstrtChby@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:36 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: AFM members?

Are any of you fellow LOOPERS, members of the AFM?

If so how do you balance the fact the it's hard enough to get paid to do looping performances -Vs- the minimums that you are expected to uphold as to not undercut as a member of the AFM?

What do you classify your gigs as to be able to justify to the AFM why you are working for peanuts?

I don't mind the low pay for looping, I'm doing it out of love ... but it seems there is a conflict by being both a looper and an AFM member....

So if anyone else is in my boat, please share with me what you do, and your take on this...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards...


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C19937.7B470EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 13:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25161; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3C8653.C6E279C5@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:21:20 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NORTHERN CALIFORNIA GIG SPAM: Santa Cruz Looping Festival References: <200201090514.AAA29101@hemlock.violacea.com> <00ad01c198ee$19b1b6c0$6463f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: (snip) > and a special guerilla suprise visit from Loopers Delights' resident expert > on damn near everything (and I say this with the greatest of respect) > DR. RICHARD ZVONAR > > The next evening, Steve and I will present solo sets and an extended > improvisational duet set at the ESPRESSON GARDENS on Bascomb Avenue in San > Jose. > > I hope you can all make it!!! > > Take care and loop on!!! > > Yours, in the "year of the palindrome" , 2002, Loop.pooL :-) so, when's the socal tour gonna happen? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 13:59:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27081; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:37:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:37:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c1993b$beab44a0$0201a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <001301c19936$223b7450$17a8a8c0@penser1> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:30:40 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1993B.BDB8A740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1993B.BDB8A740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hm, do I have to write another short screenplay about this one? :) = "Yahoo" indeed. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: 09 January 2002 17:50 PM Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me from your yahoo group. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1993B.BDB8A740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hm, do I have to write another short screenplay = about this=20 one? :)  "Yahoo" indeed.
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1993B.BDB8A740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28572; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:56:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:56:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c1993e$4dc0fd40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: FET switch bypass? Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:48:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C198FB.3D9E91E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C198FB.3D9E91E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know if it is possible to wire a true bypass to a FET switched = pedal? (PDS-8000) Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C198FB.3D9E91E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone know if it is possible to wire a true bypass = to a FET=20 switched pedal? (PDS-8000)
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C198FB.3D9E91E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28399; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:54:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:54:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: , Subject: RE: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:47:29 -0600 Message-ID: <004201c1993e$175800f0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, Thanks for your help. As I said in my first message, its not Repeater that is overloading, it is my final output that is. If I play through my setup without adding any loops to the mix, my gain structure and the final output seems fine with no distortion or apparent overloading. But if I add even a single repeating loop to the mix while I am playing along, the system overloads and eventually distorts. This gain structure with the loop created sounds in the mix is what I am trying to solve, not something that Repeater is doing. This is something that I think would just as easily happen with the EDP. If I bring my initial gain structure down enough to accommodate the addition of looped sound layers to the mix output, then my volume level being too low creates problems for the house mix (who have to turn them up) and also my gain structure risks being too close to the noise floor. But, if I bring my non-looped gain structure up to a good level for the house and the noise floor, when I begin adding in loops to the mix, the volume level output goes up (causing the house engineer to have to back off on my fader) and my output begins to distort. So, what is the best way to get my rig structured properly so that I no longer have this problem. Thanks, Steve > > As far as I see you can fix this in two ways. > > 1 --> turn down Repeater input gain: > You can add more layers until Repeater overloads. > > 2 --> turn down Repeater feedback: > Old layers will fade as you add new layers and Repeater will > not overload. > > Best > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28694; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:56:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:56:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c1993e$62b47420$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:49:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:32 AM Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there > yep...i'll be there. gonna try and go on Thursday and maybe Friday... > > i'd be happy to say hello to anybody who's going that day. perhaps > meeting at a specific booth might help, since i'm still fuzzy about > the 'what is where' of the Anaheim convention center... > > my haunts this year will, amongst others, will most likely be: > > electrix booth > emagic booth > qsc booth > propellerheads booth > electroharmonix booth > fender room > line6 booth > renaissance guitars > transperformance booth > event booth > > i might suggest the electroharmonix booth, since from past > experience, it's usually just an open area that's not packed with > cubicle walls and tons of product. and we gots our tshirts to > recognize now, and we can stop doing that L shape on our forehead... > > maybe we can all gather and scream at electroharmonix..."where is the > damn EH-16 reissue!?!" > > anywho...let me know what y'all are doin. > > best, > > rich > > > > > >I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. > > > >I look forward to meeting you, > > > >Carl Jacobson > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > >Hi All, > > > >Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers > >out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between > >the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around > >the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. > >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? > >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be > >discussed and arranged. > > > >Best regards, > > > >Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:42:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31655; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:20:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:20:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c19941$ceadb8a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #17 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:14:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really? What if a command on the unit you are controlling has a function assigned to that same PC +1? Thanks Andy- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #17 > > > > I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 > > number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual > > says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? > > > > Cliff > > Some MIDI controllers won't send the same PC twice in a row, so using PC+1 > for the same function is a work around for this. > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00828; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:37:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:37:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3C9A92.DD826270@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:31:30 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #18 References: <200201091836.NAA26958@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <60mhF.A.w-H.BqJP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: NAMM I'll be down there on Friday and maybe Saturday. I never got around to ordering a shirt :( so I guess I'll be flashing the "Loser" sign. It would be great to meet any fellow loopers that will be there. Rich's idea of meeting at the Electro-Harmonix Booth sounds like a good idea to me. High Noon? -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04250; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:06:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:06:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201092001.g09K0vQ26576@chmls06.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:57:54 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA03924 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am i missing something, or is this just a basic dynamic level problem...if you turn up at the soft parts, the loud parts become too loud. adding a compressor, expander, or limiter, seems to me, will only increase the noise floor at low volumes (before you add loops live), and compress your dynamics at louder parts. your dynamic range IS WHAT IT IS ...from the softest thing you can hear to the overload of the mixer. again, i might be missing something, but i don't think this is a PROBLEM, per se, more the nature of the audio beast....if your soft (pre-live looping) parts are turned up to be loud, then your loud (post-live looping) parts will be too loud, unless you turn the volume down on some of the pre-existing tracks (or, overdub them with a smaller feedback level). this will continue to be a problem, even using a "non-liniar" setup if you insist on having the soft parts as loud as the loud parts...yes, a compressor will help keep you from clipping the mixer, but your loud parts will get no louder (the sound guy's turning up and down the faders is equivilent to having a compressor on the house mix)....you might be better off working to fit your loops within a usable dynamic range (ie, your soft parts are too soft if the house engineer has to turn you up at those points...you have a mixer right on the repeater, and you know how the music should sound, so your music would be better served if you worked out with the engineer a working level, and you controll the dynamics from stage). deknow >> Hi Per, >> Thanks for your help. As I said in my first message, its not Repeater >> that is overloading, it is my final output that is. If I play through >> my setup without adding any loops to the mix, my gain structure and the >> final output seems fine with no distortion or apparent overloading. But >> if I add even a single repeating loop to the mix while I am playing >> along, the system overloads and eventually distorts. This gain >> structure with the loop created sounds in the mix is what I am trying to >> solve, not something that Repeater is doing. This is something that I >> think would just as easily happen with the EDP. If I bring my initial >> gain structure down enough to accommodate the addition of looped sound >> layers to the mix output, then my volume level being too low creates >> problems for the house mix (who have to turn them up) and also my gain >> structure risks being too close to the noise floor. But, if I bring my >> non-looped gain structure up to a good level for the house and the noise >> floor, when I begin adding in loops to the mix, the volume level output >> goes up (causing the house engineer to have to back off on my fader) and >> my output begins to distort. So, what is the best way to get my rig >> structured properly so that I no longer have this problem. >> Thanks, >> Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:38:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04867; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:16:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:16:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:13:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re; NAMM Show Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be at NAMM on Saturday and Sunday. I was originally going to be working the Rick Turner/Renaissance booth, however we are not having a booth this year, so I get to go as a spectator. You might find me wandering the halls in my LD t-shirt, trying to engage the cadre of strippers and porn stars in deep philosophical conversations. Last year I had an illuminating discourse with one of the naughty nurses at the ESP Booth on the inherant flaws in Karl Marx's dialectic....NOT!!! Is it my imagination or has NAMM started to look more and more like a consumer electronic show in recent years? Last year I went up to the guy at Godlyke (who distribute Maxon products, etc.) to ask who the freakishly endowed,scantilly clad young woman signing autographs and drawing a huge throng to their booth was. He gushed that it was Mimi so and so, his favorite porn star. I then asked him if they wre selling many pedals, at which time he gave one of those looks like I was a complete moron and said, "Who gives a shit?"....Now thats a rock and roll attitutde. Hope to see you there. Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05022; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:17:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201092010.g09KAvP08358@chmls16.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:08:53 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Overloading Output Levels when layering sounds To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA04549 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...to be more specific: have a "full loud" loop you use for soundcheck (at home, or at the venue) to set the max volume you will play....your softer stuff should be "soft" in relation to that. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:53:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05807; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:31:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:31:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebMail-UserID: modular Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:42:21 +0100 Sender: modular From: modular To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002404 Subject: FS Buchla Thunder Message-ID: <3C5C64D9@smtp.spectraweb.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com homestudio use only, 2000$ Marc Schaffroth CH-3047 Bremgarten / Switzerland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06911; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:45:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c1994d$c3eceba0$bdced63f@richkroll> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <002301c1993e$62b47420$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:38:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <6YjsHC.A.wgB.CoKP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff, I can get you a Baggs dual source for for $175.00 + shipping. Rich sales@rkmusicstore.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there > I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio > Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup > system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?) > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rich" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:32 AM > Subject: RE: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > yep...i'll be there. gonna try and go on Thursday and maybe Friday... > > > > i'd be happy to say hello to anybody who's going that day. perhaps > > meeting at a specific booth might help, since i'm still fuzzy about > > the 'what is where' of the Anaheim convention center... > > > > my haunts this year will, amongst others, will most likely be: > > > > electrix booth > > emagic booth > > qsc booth > > propellerheads booth > > electroharmonix booth > > fender room > > line6 booth > > renaissance guitars > > transperformance booth > > event booth > > > > i might suggest the electroharmonix booth, since from past > > experience, it's usually just an open area that's not packed with > > cubicle walls and tons of product. and we gots our tshirts to > > recognize now, and we can stop doing that L shape on our forehead... > > > > maybe we can all gather and scream at electroharmonix..."where is the > > damn EH-16 reissue!?!" > > > > anywho...let me know what y'all are doin. > > > > best, > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > >I'll be in the Cakewalk booth, #6800. Please stop and say hello. > > > > > >I look forward to meeting you, > > > > > >Carl Jacobson > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:17 AM > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: Any NAMM attendees out there > > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > >Time for that annual question. Any of you other loopers > > >out there going to the NAMM show in Anaheim between > > >the 17th and the 20th? I, for one, will be wandering around > > >the show for (business and pleasure) as I do every year. > > >Any of you other wonderful people going to the show? > > >Maybe some sort of central meeting place/time can be > > >discussed and arranged. > > > > > >Best regards, > > > > > >Ted Killian > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07282; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:48:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:48:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:30:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Re; NAMM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7rqdBC.A.BnB.xrKP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Rick Turner/Renaissance booth, however we are not having a >booth this year, so I get to go as a spectator. bill, sorry to hear this...i was looking forward to trying out your guitars! > You might find me wandering >the halls in my LD t-shirt, trying to engage the cadre of strippers and >porn stars in deep philosophical conversations. LOL. my fave from last year was laughing my ass off and feeling terribly sorry for the employees of music man/ernie ball, with their faux 60's theme...VW bus, fake afro's, bell bottoms and all. i seriously would have considered quitting my job if i was told to dress like that. >Is it my imagination >or has NAMM started to look more and more like a consumer electronic show >in recent years? my boss has been to the CES (consumer electronics show) for the last 10 years, but now doesn't even bother to go, because it's not business to business people doing deals anymore, but end-user consumers gawking at the new wares. Although i'm guilty of being one of those gawkers in regards to Namm, it seems like it's travelling on the same trajectory. >freakishly endowed,scantilly clad young woman signing >autographs and drawing a huge throng to their booth sure, but for pure entertainment value, who would you rather wait in line for...her? or lars ulrich? seeya there! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:23:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09375; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:01:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:01:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c1994f$6e458340$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <150.6f6bb2d.296d2c34@aol.com> Subject: Re: Any NAMM attendees out there Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:51:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be at the G&L booth. At least part of the time. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10739; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:24:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:24:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:26:00 -0500 Subject: midi foot controller for complex set up From: Paul Reisler To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <57HgOC.A.sgC.SOLP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I've got a rather complex live set up that has far exceeded the number of feet I own and feel the time has come for a midi foot controller. it includes acoustic and electric midi guitars, repeater, jamman, 01v digital mixer, pod, an an extra synth module. wanted to ask for some advice from the list as you all seem to have the best handle on all this re midi foot control. i apologize for the complexity, but that's why i need your help. My live rack is midi acoustic guitars (and some electric gtr) w/ RMC hex pickups feeding Axon AX100-SB (on board sounds) midi guitar converter. midi out to Proteus 3 world (for world sounds), also feed acoustic and midi sounds as well as other instrument mics/pickups into Yamaha 01V digital mixer on stage next to me. sends from mixer to repeater for looping, pod for effects, and jamman (maxed memory but mostly for delay) all returned into mixer channels. I then send my soundman feeds for acoustic sounds, loopers, midi, and effects separately so he can tweak the balances. to further complicate matters, the axon transmits on 7 channels (one for each string and another for the hold function that can be programmed as arpeggiator, sustain, stack, etc. right now, i've got 4 volume pedals for axon, proteus, repeater, and jamman and an awful number of switches for it all. i'm a pretty good player, so my main difficulties are getting my feet tied up. I'd like to be able to tap one tempo and have that set tempo of jamman, repeater, pod and arp tempo in the axon. my understanding of midi foot controllers is a bit thin so correct my ignorance. my understanding is that midi foot controllers don't send sysex in order to control particular units, so i probably need to do it by having different units on different midi channels for example: Midi guitar 1-6 midi guitar hold 7 repeater 8 jam 9 pod 10 proteus 11 In reading the Behringer 1010 manual on line, i can't seem to tell if it allows sending messages on different channels or if it's anywhere near sophisticated enough to handle all this. any enlightenment or suggestions of other units would be much appreciated. my thought is to have a patch for each song that changes tto the appropriate patches on all the units, sets what the cc pedals will control and allows me to tap a tempo that feeds whatever unit needs it. Also if you have any suggestions of appropriate midi routing order or of simplifying the rig. Thanks so much for your patience and help and for all the entertaining and enlightening posts. Best Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki Theatre PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com my kids songwriting project with an amazing CD - my songwriting teaching - my theatre work and the CD/video store From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 17:00:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11921; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:38:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:38:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <186.1899d74.296e10a2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:31:14 EST Subject: Re:Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #18 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I read in the Repeater manual last night that some manufacturers add 1 > > number to PC and that sometimes subtracting/adding 1 from what the manual > > says can fix the issue- I wonder why they would do that? > > > > Cliff > > Some MIDI controllers won't send the same PC twice in a row, so using PC+1 > for the same function is a work around for this. > > andy > That's irrelevant, sorry to confuse, luckily someone else posted the right answer andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 17:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13254; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:55:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3CBA4A.BEE6D716@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:46:50 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: NAMM References: <200201092123.QAA10558@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but we did get the award for the best booth. Wait 'til you see those sorry suckers this year.... -Hans > LOL. my fave from last year was laughing my ass off and feeling > terribly sorry for the employees of music man/ernie ball, with their > faux 60's theme...VW bus, fake afro's, bell bottoms and all. i > seriously would have considered quitting my job if i was told to > dress like that. > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 17:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16129; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c1995a$e515c4c0$1661f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201092123.QAA10558@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: WEAR YOUR LOOPERS DELIGHT T-SHIRTs TO NAMM on SATURDAY!!! Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:13:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be there on Saturday and Sunday, studiously avoiding the the silicon freekazoids that populate the DEAN guitar booths that my brother mentioned (although discussing the differences between Existential Phenomenology and Phenomenological Existentialism with Mimi Miyagi does sound like a hoot*. Let's wear our LOOPERS DELIGHT t-shirts on Saturday so we can spot each other!!!! take care everyone. Steve Lawson and I might possibly be making some performance appearances at NAMM. watch for it! yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) *If you see two curly haired guys wearing loopers delight t-shirts talking to an overendowed porn star............PLEASE come join the dialectic. "Do you know what looping is?...............you don't?...........well here, it's simple, let me show you..........." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 18:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18718; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:47:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:47:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.a59633f.296e20fa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:40:58 EST Subject: Re: W Y L D T-SHIRTs TO NAMM on SATURDAY!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.a59633f.296e20fa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12a.a59633f.296e20fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/02 5:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > avoiding the the silicon > freekazoids > rick.....great title, can i use it?.....:)m n.p. minus "dark lit".....its fun to put music to names.....thanks dave (review forthcoming or at least somethoughts, got to listen a few more times) --part1_12a.a59633f.296e20fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/02 5:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


avoiding the the silicon
freekazoids


rick.....great title, can i use it?.....:)m
n.p. minus "dark lit".....its fun to put music to names.....thanks dave (review forthcoming or at least somethoughts, got to listen a few more times)
--part1_12a.a59633f.296e20fa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 21:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31960; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:58:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:58:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:59:22 -0500 Subject: Re: acoustic pickups From: Paul Reisler To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201092123.QAA10558@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3093454765_2666267_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <8EJKNC.A.guH.UPPP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3093454765_2666267_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi-- i recently got some Pickup the World Pickups and preamps for my acoustic guitar and hammered dulcimer and I like them a lot. They are a film pickup that just tapes under the bridge plate on guitar. you can use them on about anything. They are a bit like the old C-ducer pickups in that they are a film, but they are much lighter and more responsive. I used to use the C-ducers on my hammered dulcimer in the days when I was playing with sax and drums and needed the level. never could stand the sound of those. the Pickup the world system sounds really good a full range. I'd already had my guitars pretty well outfitted already with an RMC in the bridge for acoustic sound and midi, sunrise in the sound hole for the 2 handed tapping stuff, and a flexmic inside for air. i eq to get different parts of each, fairly full range from rmc with the mids cut, cut the top out of the sunrise, and put a high pass filter on the flexmic at around 200 to dump the bottom out of that. The flex and sunrise run into a rane stereo pre with eq. I'm replacing the flexmic with the Pickup the World. If i was just using one source, i'd either use the PUTW or RMC. Both sound real good. The RMC is an amazing thing, but with intonated installation it's probably 700 or so. the PUTW is cheap and easy to install. Their preamp works fine on my hammered dulcimer, but since i have the rane for guitar, since it's got EQ and effects loop, etc and is a bit quieter. They do have a website, but i'm not finding it right now. here's the address. Pick-up the World, Inc 131 E. Francisco St. La Veta, CO 80155 800-375-2656 Fax pickups@rmi.net best paul reisler From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?) Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com - my kids songwriting project with an amazing CD - our theatre work - info on me and my songcamps - our play Three Roses is the centerpiece of a project that deals with issues of women and violenc --MS_Mac_OE_3093454765_2666267_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: acoustic pickups hi--
i recently got some Pickup the World Pickups and preamps for my acoustic gu= itar and hammered dulcimer and I like them a lot.  They are a film pick= up that just tapes under the bridge plate on guitar.  you can use them = on about anything.  They are a bit like the old C-ducer pickups in that= they are a film, but they are much lighter and more responsive.  I use= d to use the C-ducers on my hammered dulcimer in the days when I was playing= with sax and drums and needed the level.  never could stand the sound = of those.
the Pickup the world system sounds really good a full range.  I'd alre= ady had my guitars pretty well outfitted already with an RMC in the bridge f= or acoustic sound and midi, sunrise in the sound hole for the 2 handed tappi= ng stuff, and a flexmic inside for air.  i eq to get different parts of= each, fairly full range from rmc with the mids cut, cut the top out of the = sunrise, and put a high pass filter on the flexmic at around 200 to dump the= bottom out of that.  The flex and sunrise run into a rane stereo pre w= ith eq.
I'm replacing the flexmic with the Pickup the World.  If i was just u= sing one source, i'd either use the PUTW or RMC.  Both sound real good.=  The RMC is an amazing thing, but with intonated installation it's pro= bably 700 or so.  the PUTW is cheap and easy to install.  Their pr= eamp works fine on my hammered dulcimer, but since i have the rane for guita= r, since it's got EQ and effects loop, etc and is a bit quieter.
They do have a website, but i'm not finding it right now.  here's the = address.
Pick-up the World, Inc
131 E. Francisco St.          =       
La Veta, CO 80155    
800-375-2656    Fax      pickups@rm= i.net

best
paul reisler

From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" <= res0koq3@verizon.net>
I'll be there with Rich- a few hot spots for me will be JoMeek/Studio Projects (buying another mic) and Fishman to try and get a better pickup system for my acoustic- (anyone know a good mic/piezo sys under $300?)


Paul Reisler
Trapezoid/Ki theatre/Kid Pan Alley
PO Box 38
Washington, VA 22747
540.987.3164
540.987.3166 fax
zoid@pobox.com
<http://www.kidpanalley.org>- my kids songwriting project with an ama= zing CD
<http://www.kitheatre.com> -  our theatre work
<http://www.paulreisler.com> - info on me and my songcamps
<http://www.theroseproject.org> - our play Three Roses is the centerp= iece of a project that deals with issues of women and violenc

--MS_Mac_OE_3093454765_2666267_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 23:13:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07362; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:51:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:51:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:48:52 -0600 Subject: NAMM From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just heard that Electrix won't be exhibiting.....bummer....I have yet to check out this beast....and can't seem to get a reply from the company as to where in my area I can check it out...I live near Nashvegas Tn......tr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 04:26:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27070; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:05:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:05:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:57:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fyi, here are pictures from our 20th anniversary show on tuesday including the obligatory picture of me in a loopers tee shirt. http://www.oldbmw.com/software2002 -plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 05:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28510; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c199ba$cd7be460$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: pictures Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:40:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the pics- quite a setup! Any sounds available? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett L Maraldo" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: pictures > fyi, here are pictures from our 20th anniversary show on tuesday > including the obligatory picture of me in a loopers tee shirt. > > http://www.oldbmw.com/software2002 > > -plexus > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 05:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28615; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:47:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:47:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c199ba$cd7be460$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: <001001c199ba$cd7be460$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:41:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, soon... I taped the show direct to dat. i need to go through the tape and pick out some good parts to put up on the web. i'll post to the list when i have them up. the recording turned out well. -plexus >Thanks for the pics- quite a setup! Any sounds available? > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brett L Maraldo" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:57 AM >Subject: pictures > > >> fyi, here are pictures from our 20th anniversary show on tuesday >> including the obligatory picture of me in a loopers tee shirt. >> > > http://www.oldbmw.com/software2002 >> >> -plexus > > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 10:14:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13792; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:52:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:52:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Effects sale Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:44:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 14:44:43.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[578A5A90:01C199E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi & sorry for the spam. Well, the wife has just quit her & job & so I need to sell some stuff :( Im in the NYC area & will ship in the USA. Here is what I have for now. MXR Flanger/Doubler (blue face) $275 ProCo R2Du, which the 2 RAT distortions in a rackmount. Comes with the foot switch. $125 Retrospec Squeeze Box, Tube DI/Optical Compressor. Tony Levin uses 3 of them $240 Please contact me directly at tarbit@hotmail.com Happy New Year! LOU _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 13:12:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26827; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.1e11f57.296f2b58@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:37:28 EST Subject: Re: NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <1-Yh0.A.tdG.jFdP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I'll definitely be there on Thursday and Friday. I may opt out of Saturday because I generally try to avoid being in the swarming masses of humanity that come on the weekends (if I don't have to be there). I have some clients to visit with and some old friends to check up on, but otherwise I'll just be wandering the halls looking for whatever is new and different. If I see any LD T-shirts I'll certainly stop and chat. I'll have to hold up my first finger and thumb in the form of an "L" to my forehead as an identifier to in lieu of the shirt however . . . ha! And, of course, I'll be on the lookout for familiar faces like Kim's, Andre's or David's. I'd be happy to grab a coffee (or cerveza) in one of the food courts if anybody cares to. The Line-6 booth generally has an expresso machine (or other fancy coffee dispenser) going at their booth but the lines are usually pretty gosh awful all day every day. See ya on the funway! Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 13:39:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29027; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:10:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:10:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:04:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tom, As far as I can tell, there are no stores located super close to you that carry Repeater. I'm surprised that Guitar Center hasn't put a store in Nashville! One option is to post to our online forum to see if there is a Nashville-based Repeater owner who would be interested in a show-and-tell (maybe Adrian Belew will invite you over to his pad). Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: Tom Roady > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: NAMM > > Just heard that Electrix won't be exhibiting.....bummer....I have yet to > check out this beast....and can't seem to get a reply from the company as > to > where in my area I can check it out...I live near Nashvegas Tn......tr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31097; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [143.231.133.83] From: "Ben Winburn" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AKAi HeadRush Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:34:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 18:34:21.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BF050F0:01C19A05] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I'll take it

From: "christopher white"
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:
Subject: AKAi HeadRush
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:07:33 -0500
I have an Akai headrush for sale dead mint in the box for 140.
Regards
c.white
-----Original Message-----
From: David Jeter [mailto:dbjeter@surplustech.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:33 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: JAM MAN
Thanks.
David Jeter
----- Original Message -----
From: roguemus
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: JAM MAN
> Don't have one at the moment, we will let you know when we do
>
> Dick Michaels
> Rogue Music NYC
>
> David Jeter wrote:
>
> > I'm loooking for a deal on a Lexicon Jam Man, in good condition,
with
> > foot pedal. Any laying around?
> >
> > It'll be a gift for my brother, who's doing some looping in
conjunction
> > with his drums.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David Jeter
>
>


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31081; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:42:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:42:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.227.31.19] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:34:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 18:34:31.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[717E2150:01C19A05] Resent-Message-ID: <1Ntas.A.obH.Z7dP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will definitely be there, too! Friday maybe but for sure on Saturday. Will definitely be checking out our very own Steve Lawson at Ashdown (and Modulus too?). So where are all the LDers going to meet up at? I'll be looking for those t-shirts! Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:29:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00726; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:02:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:02:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3DE38A.70FA00AD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:55:05 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really surprised that Electrix isn't going to be at NAMM. I wonder why? Anyway, about Belew, for those who don't know, he did a video tape in the 80s called something like "How to play electronic guitar." I've got it (I think it's still in print) and it's entertaining from a historical standpoint, but really out of date in terms of modern gear. Maybe a few manufactures should sponsor a second edition of that tape (now in DVD!), done by Adrian (if willing) or someone else, like Dave Torn. I'm sure a tape like that could easily pay for itself in tape and gear sales. I think it would really increase general awareness of the state of the instrument. Mark "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" wrote: > Hi Tom, > > As far as I can tell, there are no stores located super close to you > that carry Repeater. I'm surprised that Guitar Center hasn't put a store in > Nashville! > > One option is to post to our online forum to see if there is a > Nashville-based Repeater owner who would be interested in a show-and-tell > (maybe Adrian Belew will invite you over to his pad). > > Best, Jamie. > > Jamie Drouin > Visual Designer > Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd > 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > > > ---------- > > From: Tom Roady > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2002 7:48 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: NAMM > > > > Just heard that Electrix won't be exhibiting.....bummer....I have yet to > > check out this beast....and can't seem to get a reply from the company as > > to > > where in my area I can check it out...I live near Nashvegas Tn......tr > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01997; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:15:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm really surprised that Electrix isn't going to be at NAMM. I wonder why? Have you SEEN the value of the Canadian Dollar recently? It would cost around 20 million to send us down there right now! ;-P Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 14:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03203; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:33:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:33:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c19a0c$bfb9e280$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <17d.1e11f57.296f2b58@aol.com> Subject: WAY OT(sorry): server space Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:26:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry to be so OT - but I changed domains and my friend/teacher has tons of buisness cards with the domain I gave up hosting on- so I still own it but there is no host- all I need is 1 email account- no web pages or anything else- if anyone has suggestions I would appreciate them- none of the free hosts offer POP mail on an exising domain. Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 15:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04699; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:55:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:55:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Magicicada Relaunches (at least 93% done :D ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:55:00 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.magicicada.com has relaunched with a new look. be sure to check out the 'sounds' section and get a look at the 'curious' boxes i am constructiing which include all sorts of goodies. the mp3s will be reloaded up this weekend. thanks for checking it all out! regards, c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 15:40:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07249; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:18:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:18:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200201102011.g0AKBaG03586@chmls18.ne.ipsvc.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:09:46 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re: WAY OT(sorry): server space To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA06714 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try www.connactivity.com ... they do our work site, as well as my personal site. i might be getting a better deal due to our business account, but i'm either paying $10 or $20/month for hosting and email (plus $15 for dial up access). deknow >> I'm sorry to be so OT - but I changed domains and my friend/teacher has >> tons >> of buisness cards with the domain I gave up hosting on- so I still own it >> but there is no host- all I need is 1 email account- no web pages or >> anything else- if anyone has suggestions I would appreciate them- none of >> the free hosts offer POP mail on an exising domain. >> Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 15:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07514; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:22:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:22:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c19a13$ac4d7ca0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Magicicada Relaunches (at least 93% done :D ) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:16:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks nice- good job. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: Magicicada Relaunches (at least 93% done :D ) > www.magicicada.com > > has relaunched with a new look. > > be sure to check out the 'sounds' section and get a look at > the 'curious' boxes i am constructiing which include all > sorts of goodies. the mp3s will be reloaded up this weekend. > thanks for checking it all out! > regards, > c.white > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 15:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08379; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:37:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:37:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c19a0c$bfb9e280$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <17d.1e11f57.296f2b58@aol.com> <001001c19a0c$bfb9e280$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:30:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: WAY OT(sorry): server space Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 AM -0800 1/10/02, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: >I'm sorry to be so OT - but I changed domains and my friend/teacher has tons >of buisness cards with the domain I gave up hosting on- so I still own it >but there is no host- all I need is 1 email account- no web pages or >anything else- if anyone has suggestions I would appreciate them- none of >the free hosts offer POP mail on an exising domain. I might be slack wrt Loopers of NY but I can certainly give you (or anyone else) on the list this... contact me offline for the details... /t -- http://whatGoes.com/submit ............................. submit to the calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ............................... a new fortune every minute. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 16:26:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11543; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3E0D59.9A541E24@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:53:29 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope someone will take a camera to document LD'ers NAMM presence. I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one, and BrettM in another). I figure 3 photos will be enough to build a web page. Anyone else is welcome to send me photos of their shirts in exotic or even mundane locations! later, -jas Albuquerque max valentino wrote: > I will definitely be there, too! Friday maybe but for sure on Saturday. > Will definitely be checking out our very own Steve Lawson at Ashdown (and > Modulus too?). So where are all the LDers going to meet up at? I'll be > looking for those t-shirts! > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 16:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13578; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:32:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:32:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:25:17 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: A call to Boston Loopers - performance space @ Zeitgeist Gallery X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, all. Below is the official announcement for the new music series that I will be curating, beginning in February, at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, MA. Being a looper myself, I'd like to invite all who desire a live looping performance opportunity to read the following, and contact me if you are interested in participating. Focusing on "new music," in my opinion, would not be complete without the prescence of the looping community. I want to provide an opportunity for audiences to be exposed to loop-based music in all its forms, and I hope that this series can be a space to benefit the growth and development of the LD community. Thanks. -------------------------- Beginning February 3rd, 2002, and continuing on the first and third Sunday of every month, Telepathy Records is proud to announce a series of new sounds at the Zeitgeist Gallery, Cambridge MA, made possible through the formation of a Telepathy-sponsored collective named a.i.m. (advanced idea mechanics). This "freeform collective" will be dedicated solely to the furthering of new art, in a variety of media, and with a respectful disregard for the pigeonholing that accompanies most stylistic labeling. a.i.m is an effort toward the advancement of the new music of a new century. Not a record label, not a production company, not an agency or profit-based cooperative, a.i.m. is a non-formalized collaborative effort among artists, operating as a subsidiary of Telepathy Records, both overseen by Elio DeLuca. Through the release of recordings and the staging & promotion of live events, a.i.m. strives to champion the cutting edge in sonic arts, regardless of style, genre or form. Utilizing the resources of Telepathy Records, and echoing the label's commitment to both the success of independent music and the deconstruction of the stagnant commercial mainstream, the goal of a.i.m. is to promote the work of a wide variety of sonic artists. Live performances (in all possible spaces), compilations of new music and the release of albums by members of tomorrow's avant-garde, sonic installations, and mixed media events all fall within a.i.m.'s reach. Starting in February, a.i.m. will curate a concert series, entitled "The Sketchpad," to be held at the Zeitgeist Gallery, in Cambridge, MA. The series will feature new sounds in a wide array of styles, with a distinct focus on the art of improvisation, and favoring the forms of new music least heard at other venues (noise, ambient, IDM, loop-based music, etc). "The pad" will occur regularly on the first and third Sunday of each month, with showtime at 8 PM and a cover charge of $6 (both apt to change for to-be-announced "special events"). For more information, including the calendar of upcoming performances, check out: http://aim.telepathyrecords.com For booking information, email: aim@telepathyrecords.com The Zeitgeist Gallery, located at 312 Broadway in Cambridge (just outside of Central Square), has long been heralded as the last gasp of loft-type performances spaces in the Boston area, maintaining both a high profile in city culture and a noble dedication to marginalized art forms. The Gallery was awarded "Best Art Gallery" in the 2001 Reader's Poll in the Boston Phoenix. For more info, check out: http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org Telepathy Records, near to completing its second year of operation, defines itself as a "freeform" independent label, dedicated to allowing the artist's voice to be heard while still penetrating the commercial mainstream of "independent" music, in genres ranging from jazz to electronica to rock n' roll. Telepathy is unique in the capacity to which it involves its artists in every stage of record production and distribution, seeking to release product that is as whole-formed as the music contained within it. The Telepathy catalog includes releases from Pheeroan akLaff & Michael Cain, Danielle Geihs Band, Elio DeLuca, and Pete Robbins. Upcoming releases in 2002 include albums from No Sale Value, Twisted Hoedown, and Ellipsis. For more info, visit telepathyrecords.com To be added to the a.i.m. mailing list, reply to this email with "subscribe" in the subject header. Peace! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 17:21:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16708; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.16a3ef13.296f6700@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:52:00 EST Subject: Re: Magicicada Relaunches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d.16a3ef13.296f6700_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <9xtgCB.A.wqD.i0gP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_2d.16a3ef13.296f6700_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 2:50:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, magicicada@charter.net writes: > www.magicicada.com > chris.....wonderful site, i luv your sense of design....."curious" boxes, very neat idea, if the work is as tasteful as the art for STATIC LINE sign me up!.....:)m --part1_2d.16a3ef13.296f6700_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 2:50:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, magicicada@charter.net writes:


www.magicicada.com


chris.....wonderful site, i luv your sense of design....."curious" boxes, very neat idea, if the work is as tasteful as the art for STATIC LINE sign me up!.....:)m
--part1_2d.16a3ef13.296f6700_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 17:25:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16978; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:03:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:56:23 EST Subject: Re: NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f6.14c93c08.296f6807_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f6.14c93c08.296f6807_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 4:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, jfink@cabq.gov writes: > I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one gads.....what size was that shirt?.....:)m --part1_f6.14c93c08.296f6807_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 4:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, jfink@cabq.gov writes:


I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one


gads.....what size was that shirt?.....:)m
--part1_f6.14c93c08.296f6807_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 17:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16949; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:02:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:02:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:55:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C3E0D59.9A541E24@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about noon on Saturday at Cakewalk or Ashdown? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM I hope someone will take a camera to document LD'ers NAMM presence. I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one, and BrettM in another). I figure 3 photos will be enough to build a web page. Anyone else is welcome to send me photos of their shirts in exotic or even mundane locations! later, -jas Albuquerque max valentino wrote: > I will definitely be there, too! Friday maybe but for sure on Saturday. > Will definitely be checking out our very own Steve Lawson at Ashdown (and > Modulus too?). So where are all the LDers going to meet up at? I'll be > looking for those t-shirts! > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 17:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17924; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:21:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:21:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c19a24$3b2ba220$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <3C3E0D59.9A541E24@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: NAMM Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:14:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll probably bring a digital on Friday- I'm avoiding that place like the plague on Sat and Sun this year- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: Re: NAMM > I hope someone will take a camera to document LD'ers NAMM presence. > > I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one, and > BrettM in another). I figure 3 photos will be enough to build a web page. > > Anyone else is welcome to send me photos of their shirts in exotic or > even mundane locations! > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > max valentino wrote: > > > I will definitely be there, too! Friday maybe but for sure on Saturday. > > Will definitely be checking out our very own Steve Lawson at Ashdown (and > > Modulus too?). So where are all the LDers going to meet up at? I'll be > > looking for those t-shirts! > > Max > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 18:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21785; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:16:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110180357.00a7b300@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:05:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: NAMM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wise..................ass! :^) -t- At 04:56 PM 1/10/02 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/10/02 4:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jfink@cabq.gov writes: > > >>I currently have 2 photos of folks in shirts (PeterK & TimN in one > > >gads.....what size was that shirt?.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 19:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24562; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3E28D3.70D1676D@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:50:43 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: finally made it thru the loopers profile... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9hdChD.A.05F.0kiP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=011002174832 cheers Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 23:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10032; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:13:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:13:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:07:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: CD Spam Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you haven't already made your list of "Best CDs of 2002," you might consider my new album, "Ayatollah of Understatement." http://www.ampcast.com/justjohn Looping content includes "Last Call for Archimedes" and "Is Your News Safe?" (Both of which can also be had for free at the Ampcast page.) Overall, though, it's structured as -- believe it or not -- a Pop album. John Sherwood, who you probably have never heard of, had this to say about the album: "From the very first second it grabbed me and kept hold of me all the way through. I'll be honest and say that when I'm 'A&R-ing' I tend to use skip-to-next-track quite a lot (who doesn't) but not in your case. The whole thing is amazing - especially 'Polarizers' man thats my fave track." --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 03:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20868; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:48:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:48:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c19a74$310b6a00$58f638cb@n> From: "Steven" To: Cc: References: <001701c19a38$815d3560$cd8efcd8@sales> Subject: Re: [midiguitar] midi foot controllers for complex set up Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:47:01 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello has anyone given the new Digital Music Midi footcontroller a decent workout, assuming its available yet Steven Ground Control Pro http://www.voodoolab.com/gcsystem.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 03:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22689; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006d01c19a74$310b6a00$58f638cb@n> References: <001701c19a38$815d3560$cd8efcd8@sales> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:02:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: [midiguitar] midi foot controllers for complex set up Resent-Message-ID: <8SJMgB.A.zeF.2upP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hello >has anyone given the new Digital Music Midi footcontroller a decent workout, >assuming its available yet >Steven >Ground Control Pro >http://www.voodoolab.com/gcsystem.html I wonder if their sequel will be called "Major Tom" .... Me, I'm considering getting an organ pedalboard sort of thing -- an octave or two of foot keys -- and simply mapping the MIDI notes to FX ... --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 03:33:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22828; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:10:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:10:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Original-From: "Tony Moore" Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:03:36 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: alesis wedge fs X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: Tony Moore Message-Id: <20020111.030340.24033.28158@wm12.jersey.juno.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone interested in an alesis wedge multi-fx unit? very cool interface and cool sounds abound. complete with funky cable, manual and original box. not quite sure what it's worth, but i'd also trade for a dl4. thanks! tony tony-moore@juno.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 03:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22935; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:13:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:13:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Original-From: "Tony Moore" Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:06:04 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: peavey midi foot controller fs X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: Tony Moore Message-Id: <20020111.030610.24033.28159@wm12.jersey.juno.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey folks, i bought this peavey midi foot controller to use with my repeater. i've never used it and i know i'm too lazy to learn this midi stuff. the little digitech pedal and the front panel controls are fine for me. any fair offer or trade considered. thanks! tony tony-moore@juno.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 06:09:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32308; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:46:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:46:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014901c19a8c$b42c8500$8b61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201102044.PAA08862@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Electrix no show at NAMM, Jamman Upgrades and more Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:42:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gosh, I hope it is not a bad sign that Electrix will not be showing at NAMM. That is a big mistake in marketing, if you ask me. I hope they are doing o.k. financially!!! I've been personally responsible for the sale of 5 of the beasties so far. What an amazing instrument. I also just recieved my incredible Lexicon Jammman upgrade chip from Bob Sellons. Go to his website, buy one of his CDs and he'll send you the upgrade GRATIS!!!!!! It allows for delays after the loop (like the DL-4), the ability to play the loop via midi like a mellotron and many, many more cool things. Thanks so much Bob for your contribution to Looping........The music is really cool, too. see ya all at NAMM. I'll be wearing a loopers delight t-shirt on Saturday afternoon with Fuscia pants (that's right, I said Fuscia pants !!!! ;-) and I have long dirty blonde hair in a pony tail with large silver hoop earrings in both ears. Please come up and say hi if you are from Loopers Delight. yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 07:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05777; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:07:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:07:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.6fecc15.29702dda@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:00:26 EST Subject: Re: midi foot controller for complex set up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <-ZA5eC.A.kVB.FQtP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In reading the Behringer 1010 manual on line, i can't seem to tell if it > allows sending messages on different channels or if it's anywhere near > sophisticated enough to handle all this. yeah, it's not at all to work this out without trying the device itself This is what I get from the manual. As you read this, note that Behringer have their own specific use for the term "function" Yes, it does different channels (according to sectio 2.2 of the manual) . But only on a per function basis. There are 10 functions -5 PG changes -2 CC values -2 Controller Numbers for the 2 Pedals - only one Note On Each preset can send up to (all) 10 functions when the switch is pressed. ...but you can't program Channel No. for each switch. e.g. the first PG change (function) is always on the same channel. you can only send notes on one Channel the expression pedals can access different CCs but you have to program Globally to change the Channel. If this is right ( and I've been wrong on many occaisions) then the Behringer unit is no good for you. (wont even let you changed the program on each string without global reprogramming) ...and I don't have any good suggestions for you , the Yamaha MFC-10 sends any 4 messages on any 4 channels (per switch) so you'd have to press more than one switch for a change of setup. and it has enough latency to put most people off using to tap in loops. anyone else know more ??? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 07:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05812; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:08:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:08:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <180.1ede3ba.29702e17@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:01:27 EST Subject: adrian belew / david torn videos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, nobody *ever* calls me *dave*! *-) >Maybe a few manufactures should >sponsor a second edition of that tape (now in DVD!), done by Adrian (if >willing) or someone else, like Dave Torn. i never saw adrian's tape; however, i did a 2-video-set (in 1992) called 'painting w/guitar', which is still available from homespun video. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 10:03:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16152; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:41:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:41:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c19aac$e52f0180$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <200201102044.PAA08862@hemlock.violacea.com> <014901c19a8c$b42c8500$8b61f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: Electrix no show at NAMM, Jamman Upgrades and more Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:33:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" > see ya all at NAMM. I'll be wearing a loopers delight t-shirt on Saturday > afternoon > with Fuscia pants (that's right, I said Fuscia pants !!!! ;-) and I have > long dirty blonde hair in a pony tail with large silver hoop earrings in > both ears. Please come up and say hi if you are from Loopers Delight. Booth? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 10:37:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20004; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adrian belew / david torn videos Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:07:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 15:07:49.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBEE73A0:01C19AB1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy New Year. You can find the belew tape online here http://www.gtrheaven.com/videos.htm You can also sometimes find cool used gtr effects there too... DT's Painting with Guitar http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/prodpg.asp?prodID=564 These are great! A sequel co-starting the EDP & Repeater would be cool too :) Cheers Lou Rossi _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 10:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19947; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:14:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <439771B91064D51196840002A5515B4601FBCE@GBXLN1-ML01> From: Edward Pirie To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Meatball/QTron Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:09:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone in the UK have a Lovetone Meatball/QTron for sale? I'm prepared to pay good bucks for a good one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 10:59:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21532; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c19ab3$ed122f60$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: OT: dave? david? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:23:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt/splattercell said: >nobody *ever* calls me *dave*! are you saying i need to change that line on my site that says "Suit's favourite looping artists are wildly different yet equally genius Dave Torn and Bob Fripp."? ;) my favourite part in the ELP "Welcome Back" video is when Greg Lake says that he "took up playing bass as a favour to my (his) friend, Bob Fripp" haha Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 11:34:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22932; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:58:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:58:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c19ab7$1fd17d40$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: being a namm no-show doesn't garauntee failure. Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:46:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <1mj4zB.A.lgF.4owP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roger Arrick's modular synth company, Synthesizers.com, has never shown at a trade show and he's already shipped more systems than Moog did. i think electrix will survive. doing the trade show would be nice, though. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 11:49:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27164; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:27:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:27:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:18:59 -0500 From: steve d Subject: Grungy Digital Delays? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all I've been lurking on and off for a few years, don't think I've ever posted. Anywho, my primary long delay is a Korg SDD-2000. When feedback is cranked and the preamp section is just a tad overloaded the sound degenerates in such a dirty, fractured and grungy way that to me is pure magic. My only complaint is I would like a bit more than 4.368 seconds of delay. I've tried the old 12 bit DODs and Digitechs, they had the warmth I like but not the grunge. The Jamman is way to clean for me. The same goes for all 16 bit machines. I've considered getting a DL4 but from what I understand the bit reduction settings don't allow for more then 2.6 seconds of delay, I really need more time then that. The Line 6 Pro unit looks good but it's too pricey for me. My question is are there other boxes out there with the characteristics I'm l described? How are the old Ibanez/Maxon 8 bit boxes? Can they be tweaked out for longer delay lengths? Or perhaps there's some way of getting the same effect using a Digitech/DOD 8 second unit but degenerating the sound outboard in the feedback loop. Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. thanks steve d http://www.mp3.com/skullsaw Music and Marmoset Recipes http://skullsaw.topcities.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:16:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28819; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:52:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:52:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:45:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 16:45:12.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[56762960:01C19ABF] Resent-Message-ID: <3FjjBD.A.l5G.3axP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone compared the Vortex sounds on the G2 to the original unit? Any thoughts on how it sounds. Can you morph on the g2 as well? Thanks Lou _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:24:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30633; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:02:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:02:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:55:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 16:55:35.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9D173F0:01C19AC0] Resent-Message-ID: <1-aKOC.A.EGH.pkxP8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there... Not sure on this one but I really love the low bandwidth on the Digitech Echo+. This 8-second box is a nice contrast to EDP in my setup & you can do some cool things w/ it in real time with the knobs. Frisell still uses one & with awesome resultsIm looking for the 8-second time machine by Digitech so you can play with the LFO tooSpeaking of DDLs a PCM42 would be nice to. It is very sad that no one makes just a "simple" DDL anymore. :( Ciao. LOU _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31248; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:11:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:03:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve d writes: >I've tried the old 12 bit DODs and Digitechs, they had the warmth I like >but not the grunge. The Jamman is way to clean for me. The same goes for >all 16 bit machines. I've considered getting a DL4 but from what I >understand the bit reduction settings don't allow for more then 2.6 >seconds of delay, I really need more time then that. The Line 6 Pro unit >looks good but it's too pricey for me. Say what? The DL4 allows for at least 14 seconds of delay in all modes, even just the footpedal! Aren't I right?! Am I mistaken? /t -- http://whatGoes.com/submit ............................. submit to the calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ............................... a new fortune every minute. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32387; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:30:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:30:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:13:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>allow for more then 2.6 >>seconds of delay, I really need more time then that. The Line 6 Pro unit >>looks good but it's too pricey for me. > >Say what? The DL4 allows for at least 14 seconds of delay in all modes, >even just the footpedal! > >Aren't I right?! Am I mistaken? yes, you are mistaken. the dl4 has a looper mode of 14 seconds (28 at lower sampling rate). however, ALL the delay models max out at about 2.6 seconds. also, i don't think the Echo Pro does any different with regards to the delay models. it has a 60 second looper section, but as far as i know, the delay models are directly from the dl4. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32294; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:28:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:28:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Fri, 11 Jan 02 11:42:44 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:20:41 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA31809 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also the "Time Machines" have an internal trimpot that you can adjust resolution/delay time ratio to the point of aliased madness. Any commentary on this, Suit? >>> "Louis Rossi" 01/11/02 11:05AM >>> Hey there... Not sure on this one but I really love the low bandwidth on the Digitech Echo+. This 8-second box is a nice contrast to EDP in my setup & you can do some cool things w/ it in real time with the knobs. Frisell still uses one & with awesome resultsIm looking for the 8-second time machine by Digitech so you can play with the LFO tooSpeaking of DDLs a PCM42 would be nice to. It is very sad that no one makes just a "simple" DDL anymore. :( Ciao. LOU _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 13:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01064; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:44:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:44:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014901c19a8c$b42c8500$8b61f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200201102044.PAA08862@hemlock.violacea.com> <014901c19a8c$b42c8500$8b61f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:27:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Electrix no show at NAMM, Jamman Upgrades and more Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Gosh, I hope it is not a bad sign that Electrix will not be showing at NAMM. > >That is a big mistake in marketing, if you ask me. I hope they are doing >o.k. financially!!! agree and disagree here... imo, if electrix cannot justify the expense of the show with more sales, then it's just financially silly to go. trade shows in all kinds of industries are suffering this same problem. Companies are finding more effective and innovative ways of reaching their target markets rather than spending the cash for the trade show. however... last year electrix showed their new baby, which was only partially functional. and they missed their release date. by that time, a lot of ads and mail order catalogs had the unit being shown, but if you called, you couldn't get it. since us loopheads will often follow a product until we can get our grubby little hands on it, we know about the repeater. but how many potential buyers who showed mild interest, but lost track of it after the initial ad releases will have forgotten about it completely now? especially since they won't get reminded at Namm with a fully functional unit hitting them square in the forehead? "OH!!!! yeah! that was that cool machine they were developing last year! i forgot about it! let's check it out and see if it lives up to the hype!" best of luck electrix. i've had a chance to play with your machine, and i think it will fit my playing/composition style extremely well. i'm looking forward to buying one late spring/early summer. please stick around to keep making/supporting this baby, eh? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 13:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01665; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:52:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:52:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <125.a167325.29707edb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:46:03 EST Subject: Re: adrian belew / david torn videos / NAMM story To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, Adrian Belew Electronic Guitar (60 mins.) Copyright 1984 DCI Music Video Productions available at: http://www.gtrheaven.com/videos.htm David Torn Painting with Guitar (2 tape series / total time: 130 mins.) Copyright 1993 Homespun Tapes Ltd. available at: http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/prodpg.asp?prodID=564 I own both of these and while I have enjoyed both and have benefited from both I'd still have to say that the later has been more useful. Belew's video is mostly built around getting specific, signature, oddball sounds from various devices that are no longer available. He does explain a small number of physical playing techniques too, but these are few and far between as I recall. It's also a gas to see him experiment live on camera. But, while it is a terrific peek at the "wizard" behind the curtain (so to speak, for anyone who has ever heard his music and wondered "how the heck did he do that?") it doesn't translate much beyond that in overall usefulness. On the other hand, while Mr. Torn in his videos also makes use of a number of similarly esoteric (and probably no longer available) devices, the explanations he gives of his techniques are generally more transferable to other devices and styles of music. His demonstrations seem to reveal at least as much of the "architecture" as it does of the "hardware" behind his approach. This is more useful in my opinion. And there's still the same "peek behind the curtain" aspect of it too -- and, as expected, the playing is fascinating to listen to/watch as well. As an aside: I bought the DTPWG video at one of my first NAMM shows (in the early '90s when I was working for Seymour Duncan). It was at the end of the day and not 5-10 minutes after making my purchase -- when I was rushing back across the hall to meet up with my coworkers to head out for the evening's activities -- and just who should I almost physically run into rounding a corner (whilst not looking and concentrating on other things) but Mr. Torn himself. Of course, like the doofus I am, I said: "Excuse me, uh, err.... Hi, aren't you David Torn? I reeeeeally like your stuff. Keep it up (or some other silliness). Have a great show!" Then I hurried off like the happy, harried idiot I was. He probably wondered "What the _____ was that all about?" Anywho, it didn't occur to me that I had his videos in a bag under my arm (and might have gotten them autographed). I was too embarrassed by the situation of almost having bumped into a fellow struggling along with a walking stick (not to mention that it turned out to be an artist who's work I happen to think rather a very great deal of). Ah . . . so it goes. Anyway, if you go to NAMM, watch out where you are going. You never know just who you may bump into. Best, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 13:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03970; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:08:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:08:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c19ac9$42ae2ea0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:56:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com D00D!!! you GOTTA get a Digitech RDS unit and adjust the trimpots as described on Kim's excellent Loopers' Delight site. I have an RDS 7.6 tricked out to 36 seconds of SHITTY SHITTY SHITTY delay and an RDS 8000 adjusted for 16 seconds of moderately shitty delay. i don't know if these adjustments can be made to the PDS series. they make such a lovely contrast for the Repeater to work against. if you want to hear this shixnit in effect, please go to the "music" page of my website. toodles!! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 13:48:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05355; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:26:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:26:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c19acb$b10f67e0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:13:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Also the "Time Machines" have an internal trimpot that you can adjust resolution/delay time ratio to the point of aliased madness. Any commentary on this, Suit? some more, yes my friend. this commentary is all from my own perspective and ears ... i do not actually know what the structure of this device _is_. the anti-aliasing filter on the RDS-7.6 is calibrated for a _seven_point_six_ second delay. period. when you adjust the delay time using the trimpot, the filter cutoff stays the same. i went from a 7.6 sec delay to a 35+second delay ... which puts the filter cutoff above the sampling frequency, and FAR past the Nyquihst frequency ... the signal is totally aliasing out of control. that's why i said it was a SHITTY SHITTY SHITTY delay ... it's beautiful. i think the RDS-8000 is structured differently, because i get no aliasing. these delays are great. i'm trying to build a modular synth, and they have such nice interfacing i think i need to get a few more of them to incorporate in modular patches. they really are amazing pieces of gear and i regret ever selling the first one i got ... thank god he sold it back to me. you know the rumour Pat Matheny buys every GR-300 that pops up on Ebay? i might be like that with RDS units in about 10 years. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 14:44:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10275; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:19:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c19ad3$fa06a140$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <005301c19acb$b10f67e0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:12:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice -with guitar! I wonder how they sound? Ebay:Item # 1404629283 Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > >Also the "Time Machines" have an internal trimpot that you can adjust > resolution/delay time ratio to the point of aliased madness. Any commentary on > this, Suit? > > some more, yes my friend. this commentary is all from my own perspective and > ears ... i do not actually know what the structure of this device _is_. > > the anti-aliasing filter on the RDS-7.6 is calibrated for a _seven_point_six_ > second delay. period. when you adjust the delay time using the trimpot, the > filter cutoff stays the same. i went from a 7.6 sec delay to a 35+second delay > ... which puts the filter cutoff above the sampling frequency, and FAR past the > Nyquihst frequency ... the signal is totally aliasing out of control. that's why > i said it was a SHITTY SHITTY SHITTY delay ... it's beautiful. > > i think the RDS-8000 is structured differently, because i get no aliasing. > > these delays are great. i'm trying to build a modular synth, and they have such > nice interfacing i think i need to get a few more of them to incorporate in > modular patches. they really are amazing pieces of gear and i regret ever > selling the first one i got ... thank god he sold it back to me. > > you know the rumour Pat Matheny buys every GR-300 that pops up on Ebay? i might > be like that with RDS units in about 10 years. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13883; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:05:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:05:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c19ad9$9f966960$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:53:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4cFd4.A.n-C.8P0P8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Nice -with guitar! I wonder how they sound? Ebay:Item # 1404629283 let's see ... i traded a used MS2000 keyboard for my GR-300 with red strat at a _dealer_. that looks real nice but the high bidder is "shady" with no feedback. i wonder how that transaction will pan out. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14135; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:09:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:09:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C3F449D.C4BB1DD1@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:01:33 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve d wrote: > Anywho, my primary long delay is a Korg SDD-2000. When feedback is > cranked and the preamp section is just a tad overloaded the sound > degenerates in such a dirty, fractured and grungy way that to me is pure > magic. My only complaint is I would like a bit more than 4.368 seconds > of delay. For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:36:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14388; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:14:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c19adb$70baf320$d48c193e@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: Slightly OT: CENTROZOON UK Gigs Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:06:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Lee Fletcher" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, Please find below a copy of latest CENTROZOON Press Release FYI... Those of you who are familiar with Markus Reuter's touchstyle guitar craft will most likely value his contributions to the loop world. If you live in the UK then I heartily recommend a 'live' induction to the sonic world of CENTROZOON this February! :-) Regards, Lee. CENTROZOON have commenced work on their 4th studio album, which will usher in a new trio formation: Markus Reuter (touch guitar) and Bernhard Wostheinrich (synthesizers & percussion) are joined by 'No-Man' vocalist Tim Bowness, who recently hooked up with the former duo in Germany to prepare material for a new album. The band will undertake their debut UK tour next month, giving British audiences the first opportunity to sample this trio configuration. The following dates are now confirmed, and with high demand evident all are advised to book tickets in advance: Date: Saturday 23rd February 2002 Venue: Buddle Arts Centre, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear (www.northtynesidearts.org.uk) Box Office: (0191) 2007132 Note: Duo performance, (Markus Reuter & Bernhard Wostheinrich) Date: Tuesday 26th February 2002 Venue: Phoenix Arts Centre, Exeter, Devon (www.exeterphoenix.org.uk) Box Office: (01392) 667080 Note: Trio performance, featuring Tim Bowness on vocals Date: Thursday 28th February 2002 Venue: The Assembly House Centre, Norwich, Norfolk (www.assemblyhousenorwich.co.uk) Box Office: (01603) 660352 / 'Burning Shed' shop @ www.burningshed.com Note: Trio performance, featuring Tim Bowness on vocals. CENTROZOON share the bill with fellow 'Burning Shed' artists: Roger Eno, Peter Chilvers and Mark Beazley (of ROTHKO). A further date in the Oxford area is under discussion, but as yet unconfirmed. In other CENTROZOON news: The 3-track vinyl 12" Centrophil EP is finally available! Watch out soon for another Free Give-away at: www.centrozoon.de... Finally, web visitors are treated to another exclusive download in the form of: Thusgg (Wodka Remix) produced by Rutzel79. The original mix resides on the (as yet unreleased) album 'The Cult Of: Bibbiboo'. To access this MP3 file please visit the Downloads area @ www.centrozoon.de. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:46:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15335; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:26:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:26:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:18:21 -0500 From: steve d Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C3F488D.39B1@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK folks, you don't have to keep telling me to check out the Digitech/DOD units. I already said that I've owned them in the past. I've had the 8000, 4000, 3.6 and 7.6. I have a RDS1900 sitting here now tweaked to 8 seconds or so. They don't even come close to the sound of my SDD-2000. I think the magic of the SDD-2000 is a combination of it's preamp section and the @4kHz bandwidth. Actually what i really want is to go back to dual reel to reels. I used to use a pair of misaligned decks that sounded incredible. If anyone in northern NJ is looking to dump one or two decks give me a shout :) s - d -- Music and Marmoset Recipes http://skullsaw.topcities.com/ skullsaw mp3 http://www.mp3.com/skullsaw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:54:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15801; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:31:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:31:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:23:37 -0500 From: steve d Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C3F49C9.53F6@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> <3C3F449D.C4BB1DD1@pa.msu.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <3vs9RB.A.WtD.so0P8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d -- Music and Marmoset Recipes http://skullsaw.topcities.com/ skullsaw mp3 http://www.mp3.com/skullsaw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 16:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20115; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804921@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:04:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19AE3.946427D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AE3.946427D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function. stig -----Original Message----- From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d -- Music and Marmoset Recipes http://skullsaw.topcities.com/ skullsaw mp3 http://www.mp3.com/skullsaw Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AE3.946427D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Grungy Digital Delays?

i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central= for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible = he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c= search function.


stig

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM
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> For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pre= ssed to top the
> Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay.

Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are p= riced way over
my head. Were these 8 bit?

s - d

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AE3.946427D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 17:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27523; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:22:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804921@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3093603741_142189_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <4pJ4P.A.ikG.xW2P8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3093603741_142189_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack unit of any kind. are you talking about something the guy made or wot? and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended the delay to the full 16sec. s i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function. stig -----Original Message----- From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d --MS_Mac_OE_3093603741_142189_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack uni= t of any kind.
are you talking about something the guy made or wot?
and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended= the delay to the full 16sec.
s


i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central fo= r about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's= had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c sear= ch function.

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?

> For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard presse= d to top the
> Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. <= BR>
Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are pric= ed way over
my head. Were these 8 bit?

s - d

--MS_Mac_OE_3093603741_142189_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 18:25:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30538; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:01:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:01:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Fri, 11 Jan 02 17:15:18 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:52:53 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA28983 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If memory serves(and it often doesn't), there was a rackmount digital delay line - 32 seconds or something like that, although I think it was never mass-produced. The EH Guitar Synthesizer was also a rackmount unit (not the bass or bass-micro), the stereo Ambitron (I think), and the EH vocoder were rackmount as well. This sounds like a custom job, though. -K >>> Stan Card 01/11/02 04:32PM >>> hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack unit of any kind. are you talking about something the guy made or wot? and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended the delay to the full 16sec. s i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function. stig -----Original Message----- From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:07:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00922; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:45:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:45:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804925@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:36:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19AF8.C1C4ED80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AF8.C1C4ED80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i have heard before, and the ad seems to corroborate this, that someone modified the eh 16-second delay so that it was rack-mounted. nope, not talking about the 64-second rackmount that eh made. stig -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack unit of any kind. are you talking about something the guy made or wot? and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended the delay to the full 16sec. s i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function. stig -----Original Message----- From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay. Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over my head. Were these 8 bit? s - d Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AF8.C1C4ED80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec?
i have heard before, and the ad seems to corroborate this, that someone modified the eh 16-second delay so that it was rack-mounted.
 
nope, not talking about the 64-second rackmount that eh made.
 
stig
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:22 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec?

hello? what are you talkin about? electro harmonix has never had a rack unit of any kind.
are you talking about something the guy made or wot?
and yes they were 8bit but the sampling rate went to hell when you extended the delay to the full 16sec.
s


i saw a guy selling a rack-mounted one on harmony central for about $650 not long ago. he actually placed two ads, so it's possible he's had a hard time selling it. might want to do a check for it in the h-c search function.

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: steve d [mailto:skullsaw@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:24 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?

> For delay length and grungy sound, you'd be hard pressed to top the
> Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay.

Mmm, yeah. I heard one of these years ago. Now they are priced way over
my head. Were these 8 bit?

s - d



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AF8.C1C4ED80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:14:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01214; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:51:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:51:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c19af9$36b2b460$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:39:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry. how about a bit-decimator in an external feedback loop with the delays? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:44:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04757; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:22:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:22:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c19aff$289e8560$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul Pokorski" To: References: <3C3F1073.28BB@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:22:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <0UX0xC.A.gEB.TB4P8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had an Ibanez stomp pedal-type of delay a while back that sounded very good. For grins, and because it wasn't a lot of $$$, I bought a Boss DD-5 Digital Delay just to see how they sound compared to rack-type (various) units. It's actually not too bad and has a decent amount of progammability for four knobs. Regards, Butch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? > steve d writes: > > >I've tried the old 12 bit DODs and Digitechs, they had the warmth I like > >but not the grunge. The Jamman is way to clean for me. The same goes for > >all 16 bit machines. I've considered getting a DL4 but from what I > >understand the bit reduction settings don't allow for more then 2.6 > >seconds of delay, I really need more time then that. The Line 6 Pro unit > >looks good but it's too pricey for me. > > Say what? The DL4 allows for at least 14 seconds of delay in all modes, > even just the footpedal! > > Aren't I right?! Am I mistaken? > > /t > > -- > > http://whatGoes.com/submit ............................. submit to > the calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ............................... a new fortune > every minute. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05322; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:35:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:35:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <185.1f82735.2970dd34@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:28:36 EST Subject: OT?: Jamman, & RDS 7.6 for sale. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. Forgive me if this too of topic, but I just wanted to mention that I am selling a Lexicon Jamman (full memory & one pedal), and a Digitech RDS 7.6. I thought that someone on the Looper'sDelight maillist might be interested in these. In addition, I also have a Boss SE-70 for sale. Please email me privately if your are interested in any of these items. Thanks, Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 20:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08125; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.83] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: adrian belew / david torn videos / NAMM story Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:59:58 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F06@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <125.a167325.29707edb@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 00:59:59.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[75209A90:01C19B04] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of the Torn video's, I have a set I'd like to sell. Probably only viewed 1/2 a dozen times. Excellent condition. Email me privately at g716. It's a hotmail address. $30 + -Greg -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adrian belew / david torn videos / NAMM story All, Adrian Belew Electronic Guitar (60 mins.) Copyright 1984 DCI Music Video Productions available at: http://www.gtrheaven.com/videos.htm David Torn Painting with Guitar (2 tape series / total time: 130 mins.) Copyright 1993 Homespun Tapes Ltd. available at: http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/prodpg.asp?prodID=564 I own both of these and while I have enjoyed both and have benefited from both I'd still have to say that the later has been more useful. Belew's video is mostly built around getting specific, signature, oddball sounds from various devices that are no longer available. He does explain a small number of physical playing techniques too, but these are few and far between as I recall. It's also a gas to see him experiment live on camera. But, while it is a terrific peek at the "wizard" behind the curtain (so to speak, for anyone who has ever heard his music and wondered "how the heck did he do that?") it doesn't translate much beyond that in overall usefulness. On the other hand, while Mr. Torn in his videos also makes use of a number of similarly esoteric (and probably no longer available) devices, the explanations he gives of his techniques are generally more transferable to other devices and styles of music. His demonstrations seem to reveal at least as much of the "architecture" as it does of the "hardware" behind his approach. This is more useful in my opinion. And there's still the same "peek behind the curtain" aspect of it too -- and, as expected, the playing is fascinating to listen to/watch as well. As an aside: I bought the DTPWG video at one of my first NAMM shows (in the early '90s when I was working for Seymour Duncan). It was at the end of the day and not 5-10 minutes after making my purchase -- when I was rushing back across the hall to meet up with my coworkers to head out for the evening's activities -- and just who should I almost physically run into rounding a corner (whilst not looking and concentrating on other things) but Mr. Torn himself. Of course, like the doofus I am, I said: "Excuse me, uh, err.... Hi, aren't you David Torn? I reeeeeally like your stuff. Keep it up (or some other silliness). Have a great show!" Then I hurried off like the happy, harried idiot I was. He probably wondered "What the _____ was that all about?" Anywho, it didn't occur to me that I had his videos in a bag under my arm (and might have gotten them autographed). I was too embarrassed by the situation of almost having bumped into a fellow struggling along with a walking stick (not to mention that it turned out to be an artist who's work I happen to think rather a very great deal of). Ah . . . so it goes. Anyway, if you go to NAMM, watch out where you are going. You never know just who you may bump into. Best, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 21:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12194; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:09:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:09:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:02:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201120202.g0C220K16116@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They had a rackmounted sytnh...among other stuff... A+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 23:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19352; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:36:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays?16sec? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201120202.g0C220K16116@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mea culpa but i still wanna see that rack mounted 16sec.delay if anyone has a page or url for it. thanx s > > > They had a rackmounted sytnh...among other stuff... > > A+ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 04:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10017; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:21:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:21:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.207.14.130] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: m_bronwyn@yahoo.com Subject: (Fwd) Experimental Composing for Dance? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:15:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 09:15:00.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C920E20:01C19B49] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, a friend of mine asked me to forward this to the list. Please send any responses to m_bronwyn@yahoo.com. Thanks, Matt ---------------------------------- My name is Bronwyn Neal, and I'm writing a story for In Dance, a publication put out by Dancers' Group in S.F. I'm interested in hearing from anyone out there who has composed music/sound for dance performances. - What tools do you use? (Instruments, hardware, and software.) - Do you use a lot of MIDI-enabled devices? Any favorite toys? - How has the increased affordability of high-quality audio equipment (often digital) over the past 10 years or so affected your musical path? - Can you talk about some of the experiences you've had composing for dancers? And can you frame your response in terms of how the tools you use play into that? For example, do you ever bring your toys into the dance studio to compose or "pre-compose," perhaps by improvising, in the presence of the dancers? Have you ever been asked to create a dance score in X time signature with Y number of bars? - How have new technologies made it easier or harder to work with choreographers? (Or, as they say, "just different.") - Do you have any thoughts on where dance-performance music/sound is headed? & how new technologies are tied into that? Thanks for your time! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 06:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16066; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:00:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:00:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: subminimal@subminimal.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:52:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jhno Subject: cycloops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just messing with a cycloops... nice to see something a little different! i do like that you can just plug it in and then sit on it or otherwise mash random buttons to produce something coherant. emmanuel, you may remember sending me a djrnd2 long ago; it is nice to see those ideas condensed into a succinct and accessible widget - kudos and thanks. as i am perhaps not in the target demographic, my primary interests are: hacking the analog devices chip, and making it break. (not physically! just pushing the algorithms. it has a lot of built-in logic, which can be interesting when it goes awry...) regarding the first, do you think there is any chance of official updates to the o.s.? the device has all the components necessary to do a wide array of looping tasks... plus the design is really quite nice. if it can pitch shift loops and adjust endpoints etc. - - - why not expose those parameters in some kind of "expert mode" or alternative o.s.? i think it could be attractive to a whole new demographic of users... just a thought. i like the box enough to write assembly code. :) (but i have other loopers to fry first...) >"Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie Anderson well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... jhno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 09:13:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24406; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:51:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:51:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:47:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Grungy Digital Delays? From: charmah tiego To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Akai, way before the Headrush, had a looping delay (1200ms max or so!). Had footswitch ins to set the loop on, halfrate, etc. Damnit,i don't have the reference or name. This one must be 8bit at most! Grungy, very limited BWidth. Sounds a bit like the Riff-O -Matic they put out later on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 10:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31337; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:20:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:20:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C405289.2DDEF6B6@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:13:14 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cycloops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jhno wrote : Hi jhno ! > just messing with a cycloops... nice to see something a little different! i > do like that you can just plug it in and then sit on it or otherwise mash > random buttons to produce something coherant. > > emmanuel, you may remember sending me a djrnd2 long ago; it is nice to see > those ideas condensed into a succinct and accessible widget - kudos and > thanks. Thanks DJRND2 has moved to DJRND3, maybe launched this year I hope by some else than Redsound. > as i am perhaps not in the target demographic, my primary interests are: > hacking the analog devices chip, and making it break. (not physically! just > pushing the algorithms. it has a lot of built-in logic, which can be > interesting when it goes awry...) > > regarding the first, do you think there is any chance of official updates > to the o.s.? the device has all the components necessary to do a wide array > of looping tasks... plus the design is really quite nice. if it can pitch > shift loops and adjust endpoints etc. - - - why not expose those parameters > in some kind of "expert mode" or alternative o.s.? i think it could be > attractive to a whole new demographic of users... Something which could be similar to the Electrix Repeater you mean ? I am just waiting the day my patent is delivered in Canada to deal with IVL Technology. No need for me to develop a musician looper like Repeater since it might become a license of mine one day sooner or later. With Redsound, Cycloops is the automatic BPM simplified version of DJRND2 for club DJs. DJRND3 will be for "bedrooming" DJs (homestudio). The o.s of cycloops will not change unless Redsound accept to debug the software integration and turn it into a fully automatic BPM which should have been the case if they had totally respected every term of our patent license. I did the design of the Redsound Cycloops sampler, once Redsound stated on the idea to make a 6-loop sampler. I have filed "Cycloops" in Europe, but Redsound didn't wait for any license to be signed, too much exited to launch the product first. Then I revised my financial conditions and they finally refused to sign ... 5 months after the launching date. Now they moved from "Cycloops" to "C-loops" pretended they did the change of the trademark not to infrindge, but everybody claims "Formely known as Cycloops"... > just a thought. i like the box enough to write assembly code. :) > (but i have other loopers to fry first...) One problem is the BPM part is Redsound secret know-how on which they remain very jalous. > >"Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie Anderson > > well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... But trades and profits lead the world on which we are all looping around : Sooner or later, nothing can be done without money. > jhno Cheers jhno, Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 13:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09700; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:48:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:48:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <57.4d06441.2971cf16@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:40:38 EST Subject: Re:Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has anyone compared the Vortex sounds on the G2 to the original unit? Any > thoughts on how it sounds. Can you morph on the g2 as well? > > Thanks > Lou not touched the G2 but Bet the sounds are v.similar, (though maybe not as tweakable) don't know if you can Morph at all, but almost certain you can't morph between 2 different algorithms like you can on the Vortex Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 14:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17047; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:10:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:10:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.156.221.135] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:02:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 19:02:16.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[A694A480:01C19B9B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 >Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:40:38 EST > > > Has anyone compared the Vortex sounds on the G2 to the original unit? >Any > > thoughts on how it sounds. Can you morph on the g2 as well? > > > > Thanks > > Lou > >not touched the G2 but >Bet the sounds are v.similar, (though maybe not as tweakable) >don't know if you can Morph at all, >but almost certain you can't morph between 2 different algorithms like >you can on the Vortex > > > >Andy Butler >Lexicon Vortex >Database > > Thanks Andy, There is a A/B switch on the mxp foot petal but I agree w/ you that you probaly can't between the 2 different algorithm....Great job on your site! It is very cool. Cheers LOU _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 14:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17201; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:13:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:13:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.156.221.135] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: spam: Last call for flanging Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:05:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 19:05:39.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FD4AE80:01C19B9C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I have to sell w/ regret my MXR Flanger/Doubler. It's the blue face unit & I'm selling it for $275. That includes shipping. Please contact me directly at tarbit@hotmail.com cheers Lou _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 14:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20886; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:29:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:29:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <33.20af97da.2971e6b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:21:24 EST Subject: Check out IBVA Alps+ Orchestral Module To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Click here: IBVA Alps+ Orchestral Module found by chance brainwave to music converter (software) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 15:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23142; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:56:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:56:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:49:26 -0800 Subject: Re: cycloops From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4M-pgC.A.qgF.BNJQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/12/02 2:52 AM, jhno at ear@subminimal.com wrote: > >> "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie Anderson > > well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... > > jhno > Hey, off topic, did others on the list buy the last Laurie album. That quote came from it. I was very disappointed in it, for the most part. A few good tracks, but... not sure. I felt the same way about Strange Angels (though others here disagreed) but I loved Bright Red/Tightrope. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 19:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10986; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:13:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:13:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <46.20c90788.29722918@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:04:40 EST Subject: MIDI... ...HELP!!! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46.20c90788.29722918_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_46.20c90788.29722918_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got a KORG ES-1 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum machine)... I have been using a pair of EDP units for about a month... Today I tried syncing them all together... It goes: EDP to drum machine to other EDP Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI chain? I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it become the master "On the fly" so to speak... Is this possible? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_46.20c90788.29722918_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got a KORG ES-1 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum machine)...

I have been using a pair of EDP units for about a month...

Today I tried syncing them all together...

It goes: EDP to drum machine to other EDP

Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI chain?

I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it become the master "On the fly" so to speak...

Is this possible?

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards...
--part1_46.20c90788.29722918_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 19:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11443; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:23:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "David Jeter" To: Subject: RE: Jamman, & RDS 7.6 for sale. Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:17:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <185.1f82735.2970dd34@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I may have an interest for the JamMan w /pedal. What $ do you need to let it go? David Jeter -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 6:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT?: Jamman, & RDS 7.6 for sale. Hello. Forgive me if this too of topic, but I just wanted to mention that I am selling a Lexicon Jamman (full memory & one pedal), and a Digitech RDS 7.6. I thought that someone on the Looper'sDelight maillist might be interested in these. In addition, I also have a Boss SE-70 for sale. Please email me privately if your are interested in any of these items. Thanks, Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 22:15:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22880; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:51:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:51:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <189.1b8ffc2.29724e6a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:43:54 EST Subject: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 Resent-Message-ID: <62s3x.A.IVF.7RPQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Been getting into my (still somewhat new to me) Repeater a lot lately... there's one situation that I'm wondering if any piece of gear addresses better. Say you've got a loop going.. let's call it 6 seconds long. Say you want to add a part that's 8 seconds long. No way to do it. Does any piece of gear allow this? I guess my thinking is that the 6 second part would just now have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. If nothing has it.. does anyone have any tricks for this scenario? Thanks! --Tom Griesgraber From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06404; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <43.4da7015.2972784e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:42:38 EST Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_43.4da7015.2972784e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_43.4da7015.2972784e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know with using two EDP's that I have been able to do so with the "multiply" function... However there is no blank space, I can multiply with each unit synced to the other tempo wise and vary the number of multiplied measures between the two... It can create a very interesting scape... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_43.4da7015.2972784e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know with using two EDP's that I have been able to do so with the "multiply" function...

However there is no blank space, I can multiply with each unit synced to the other tempo wise and vary the number of multiplied measures between the two...

It can create a very interesting scape...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards...
--part1_43.4da7015.2972784e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:15:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06405; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.7a05168.29727892@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:43:46 EST Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13e.7a05168.29727892_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <_mdOHB.A.2cB.36RQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13e.7a05168.29727892_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NEVER MIND... I misread that... I now everyone knows I'm an idiot! DOH! Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_13e.7a05168.29727892_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NEVER MIND... I misread that... I now everyone knows I'm an idiot!

DOH!

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, NO forwards...
--part1_13e.7a05168.29727892_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:43:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09204; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:20:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:20:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Is there such a function as..... Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:13:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <13e.7a05168.29727892@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg Campbell wrote: NEVER MIND... I misread that... I now everyone knows I'm an idiot! DOH! Yeah well you may be an idiot but you've got TWO ECHOPLEX DIGITAL PROS so your mistakes will make you a wiser person. Gary PS Kim hates HTML--try plain text G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09635; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:28:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:28:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c19bfb$bc959220$8155e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: The Ambient Ping presents ARC Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:30:04 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com New photos from all Ping shows in October and November are now up on the website's main page and long schedule. (Most Ping artists are loopers and many are Electrix users, though none as much as SOFTWARE last week who had at least 6 Electrix units onstage plus a JamMan.) http://www.theambientping.com/index.html#271101 http://www.theambientping.com/thelongschedule.html#271101 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday January 15th - Aidan Baker and ARC Experimental/improv trio ARC (percusssionists Rich Baker and Chris Kukiel with guitarist Aidan Baker) return to The Ping for a stripped down set with more chimes, cymbals, bells, etc... than drums. Experimental/ambient guitarist Aidan Baker opens the night with a solo set of heavily effected guitar textures & loops. ARC - http://fade.to/arc Aidan Baker - http://listen.to/aidan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . sound:escape - Four fresh hours of ambient and chillout music uploaded live each week from Toronto DJs Robbie & Stargazer. To play - Click http://1groove.com/listen/soundescape.asx . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 05:26:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30884; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:11:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:11:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c19c19$f9738ee0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <189.1b8ffc2.29724e6a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:06:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Echoplex all the way- the Repeater can multiply a loop by 2 or more- but the EDP can Multiply ANY length and also has Insert function which again can be of any length- or you could quantize to an external clock or or not and make exact multiples of the loop- oh hey there is the "more loops" function too- so you could also..... well- you get the idea I hope. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Is there such a function as..... > Hi all, > > Been getting into my (still somewhat new to me) Repeater a lot lately... > there's one situation that I'm wondering if any piece of gear addresses > better. > > Say you've got a loop going.. let's call it 6 seconds long. Say you want to > add a part that's 8 seconds long. No way to do it. Does any piece of gear > allow this? I guess my thinking is that the 6 second part would just now > have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. > > If nothing has it.. does anyone have any tricks for this scenario? > > Thanks! > --Tom Griesgraber > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 06:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00962; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:53:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:53:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c19c1f$d5b654a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <46.20c90788.29722918@aol.com> Subject: Re: MIDI... ...HELP!!! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:48:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C19BDC.C7579240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <9VkXIC.A.zH.KVWQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C19BDC.C7579240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There can only be 1 master at a time- the EDP can be set on the fly to = be master/slave/off - but the ES-1 has to be stopped in order to set it = to internal/external clock. There would also be the issue of the midi = cables themselves- I suppose you could get that solved with a MOTU Midi = Timepiece with some custom patches set up- but you still have the ES-1 = issue and I'm sure in the midst of these changes you would more than = likely lose sync anyway- but this is all in my head- the best thing to = do is experiment and see what you can come up with-=20 Enjoy the ES-1 and the EDPs-=20 Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KkstrtChby@aol.com=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: MIDI... ...HELP!!! I just got a KORG ES-1 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum = machine)... I have been using a pair of EDP units for about a month... Today I tried syncing them all together... It goes: EDP to drum machine to other EDP Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI chain? I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it become the = master "On the fly" so to speak... Is this possible? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards...=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C19BDC.C7579240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There can only be 1 master at a time- = the EDP can=20 be set on the fly to be master/slave/off - but the ES-1 has to be = stopped in=20 order to set it to internal/external clock. There would also be the = issue of the=20 midi cables themselves- I suppose you could get that solved with a MOTU = Midi=20 Timepiece with some custom patches set up- but you still have the ES-1 = issue and=20 I'm sure in the midst of these changes you would more than likely lose = sync=20 anyway- but this is all in my head- the best thing to do is experiment = and see=20 what you can come up with-
 
Enjoy the ES-1 and the EDPs- =
 
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KkstrtChby@aol.com
To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 12, = 2002 4:04=20 PM
Subject: MIDI... = ...HELP!!!

I just got = a KORG ES-1=20 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum machine)...

I have = been=20 using a pair of EDP units for about a month...

Today I tried = syncing=20 them all together...

It goes: EDP to drum machine to other=20 EDP

Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI=20 chain?

I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it = become the=20 master "On the fly" so to speak...

Is this=20 possible?

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
www.kickstartchubby.com
Please, = NO=20 forwards...
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C19BDC.C7579240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 11:34:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25940; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:17:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:17:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c19c4c$11a5a340$07be30d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: eventide dsp4000 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:05:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C4C.0FC06880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C4C.0FC06880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable greetings fellow loopers ! i have just picked up a DSP4000 for my guitar rig .... and i dont have = the manual. It 'lives' in my switchblade gl, and i am having problems with = overloading the inputs on some patches, i have [naturally] knocked down = the input gain on the eventide, but i was wondering why the inpurt only = overloads on some patches .... can anyone help ?? David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C4C.0FC06880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
greetings fellow loopers=20 !
 
i have just picked up a = DSP4000 for my=20 guitar rig .... and i dont have the manual.
It 'lives' in my = switchblade gl, and i=20 am having problems with overloading the inputs on some patches, i have=20 [naturally] knocked down the input gain on the eventide, but i was = wondering why=20 the inpurt only overloads on some patches ....
 
can anyone help = ??
 
 
David
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C4C.0FC06880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 11:37:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26298; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:21:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:21:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:13:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Vortex patches on the MPX-g2 From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57.4d06441.2971cf16@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I understand it, with the a/b switch, you can 'morph' between parameter settings within one algorithm, providing two very different sounds, if memory serves, you can change 4 parameters at once... I'm selling my g2, by the way, with it's accompanying footpedal... Soon... Todd On 1/12/02 12:40 PM, "SoundFNR@aol.com" wrote: >> Has anyone compared the Vortex sounds on the G2 to the original unit? Any >> thoughts on how it sounds. Can you morph on the g2 as well? >> >> Thanks >> Lou > > not touched the G2 but > Bet the sounds are v.similar, (though maybe not as tweakable) > don't know if you can Morph at all, > but almost certain you can't morph between 2 different algorithms like > you can on the Vortex > > > > Andy Butler > Lexicon Vortex Database > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 14:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06004; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:59:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:59:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:54:32 -0800 Subject: OT: FS -- Studio cleanout From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm cleaning out my studio and getting rid of the less used items. Korg Kaoss Pad -- $170 -- barely used, box, power supply, sticker for control surface (still unapplied), "manual". It's cool but the set of sounds it made just didn't click with what I was doing. Lexicon PCM-70 -- $950? (if someone has better evidence for a price let me know, the only comps I could find on e-Bay were actually higher) -- home studio use only, Ver 3.00 software, manual, probably the original box. I've also got editing software for it, but you'd need a Mac with a floppy drive. Roland GP-100 & FC-200 -- $500 -- I bought these used and they do have some minor cosmetic issues (e.g., a slight dent in the top of the GP-100). While I've owned them, they've lived in a rack and have done very little travelling outside of my home. Manuals for both. Power adapter for the FC-200. I will split up the GP-100 and the FC-200, but I will probably want slightly more for either of them since they are more useful as a pair. Buyer pays shipping from Scotts Valley, CA. Please respond offlist. Thanks. Mark P.S. This may be followed up soon with my Roland VS880 and my Chapman Stick. I'm still working on convincing myself to sell those. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 14:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07598; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:07:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:07:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <116.a91ac5b.297332c4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:58:12 EST Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DialaThos@aol.com writes: >Been getting into my (still somewhat new to me) Repeater a lot lately... >there's one situation that I'm wondering if any piece of gear addresses >better. >Say you've got a loop going.. let's call it 6 seconds long. Say you want >to >add a part that's 8 seconds long. No way to do it. Does any piece of >gear >allow this? I guess my thinking is that the 6 second part would just now >have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, then erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta p.i.t.a., really, and a bit touchy. very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the 'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o playing anything into the unit. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 14:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08226; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:16:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:16:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:09:21 -0800 Subject: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, does anyone know where the Santa Cruz loopfest is being held tonight? Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 15:25:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12611; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:04:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:04:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:00:55 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: FS -- Studio cleanout From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apologies for not doing this all in one message... on 1/13/02 10:54 AM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > I will split up the GP-100 and the FC-200, but I will probably want slightly > more for either of them since they are more useful as a pair. Specifically, I'm thinking in terms of $320 for the GP-100 alone or $220 for the FC-200 alone on the basis that without the other one, it probably cuts into what I can get for the remaining item. For those unfamiliar with it, the GP-100 is a pretty serious multi-effects box with COSM amp modelling and lots of MIDI control possibilities. It's just a bit bigger and heavier than I want in my rack. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 15:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13174; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:10:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113145609.00a84a00@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:58:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 AM 1/13/02 -0800, you wrote: >does anyone know where the Santa Cruz loopfest is being held tonight? Here's what Rick posted: Santa Cruz Looping Festival this coming Sunday, January 13th at the Cayuga Vault (corner of Cayuga Street and Soquel Avenue) in SantaCruz.The show starts at 8 p.m and there is a $10 donation requested (and no onewill beturned away for lack of funds!) I wish I could make it, but I seem to be on the wrong coast! -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 15:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14342; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:24:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:19:05 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002d01c19c6f$8cc4dfa0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's at the Cayuga Vault on Soquel... very near the Rio, but on the other side of the street at the corner of Soquel and Cayuga... See ya there Mark! -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Marklar To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. > Hey, > > does anyone know where the Santa Cruz loopfest is being held tonight? > Thanks, > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 17:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25667; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:59:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:59:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: RE: Is there such a function as..... Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:48:21 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c19c7c$04f18760$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <116.a91ac5b.297332c4@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <21pepC.A.f4F.3FgQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello! Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot for the info. Regards, c.white www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 17:55:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28632; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C419AC7.FD930F64@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:33:42 +0000 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... References: <002101c19c7c$04f18760$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might look into using one of the stands made for the purpose of holding up small combo type amps. best, joe christopher white wrote: > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an > angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot > for the info. > Regards, > c.white > > www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 17:59:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28988; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:43:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: Case Stands Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:31:57 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c19c82$1c5b6dc0$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002101c19c7c$04f18760$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello! Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot for the info. Regards, c.white www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 18:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29963; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:54:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:54:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:46:57 -0800 Subject: Re: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c19c6f$8cc4dfa0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/13/02 12:19 PM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@pacbell.net wrote: > It's at the Cayuga Vault on Soquel... very near the Rio, but on the other > side of the street at the corner of Soquel and Cayuga... See ya there Mark! > > -Miko > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marklar > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:09 AM > Subject: HELP! Santa Cruz LOOPFEST? Need info, thanks. > > >> Hey, >> >> does anyone know where the Santa Cruz loopfest is being held tonight? >> Thanks, >> >> Mark >> > Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 18:29:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00337; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:14:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:14:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:06:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c19c7c$04f18760$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey chris... http://www.quiklok.com Click on the link that says 'rack stands', also check out combo-amp stands... Best, Todd On 1/13/02 4:48 PM, "christopher white" wrote: > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an > angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot > for the info. > Regards, > c.white > > www.magicicada.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 18:43:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01318; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Case Stands Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:21:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c19c88$fc07a7d0$172f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002201c19c82$1c5b6dc0$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can split it up into 2 6-space racks, and use a normal amp stand for each one. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space > rack at an angle so I can access it easier during a live > performance? Thanks A lot for the info. Regards, c.white > > www.magicicada.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 20:29:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10109; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:08:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:08:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c19c97$6de678a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT: New MD Recorder Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:04:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C54.5D57B6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C54.5D57B6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello-=20 Anyone tried this new Sony MZ-N1? It has a new ATRAC but supposedly it = doesen't sound much different- also- the Rec level adjustment has to be = accessed through the menu- lame. My Sharp MD-MS702 finally stopped recording and I need to replace it = asap-=20 Cliff Quote from- http://www.minidisc.org/brian_youn/mzn1/ a.. ATRAC DSP Type-R - Sony's Type-R ATRAC gives twice the signal = processing power as previous versions of ATRAC, and specifically = improves encoding performance in the higher frequencies. But unless = you've got truly golden ears, don't expect to hear much of a difference = from ATRAC 4.0 [FYI, only realtime SP recordings use the Type-R codec, = and not MDLP recordings or SP recordings done via OpenMG Jukebox = transfers]. www.om-studios.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C54.5D57B6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C54.5D57B6E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 20:44:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11457; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:29:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:29:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:22:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: cycloops (and digressions) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 1/12/02 2:52 AM, jhno at ear@subminimal.com wrote: > >> >>> "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie >>>Anderson >> >> well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... >> >> jhno >> >Hey, off topic, did others on the list buy the last Laurie album. That >quote came from it. I was very disappointed in it, for the most part. A >few good tracks, but... not sure. I felt the same way about Strange Angels >(though others here disagreed) but I loved Bright Red/Tightrope. > >Mark Sottilaro I have the lastest L.A. album, and have listened to it, but I don't remember any of it. So I must not have DISliked it, but it doesn't say anything FOR it, either. My faves are still the early ones, from Big Science thru US I-IV. What I liked about Strange Angels was that it seemed to be her journey into "normal" songwriting and singing -- I could imagine covering "Hiawatha" with just vocals over acoustic guitar. (And hi, jhno! I'm eagerly awaiting that Radial software release!) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 22:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21711; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:10:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:10:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113184812.05037de8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:58:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: MIDI... ...HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <46.20c90788.29722918@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:04 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >I just got a KORG ES-1 Electribe S Rhythm Production Sampler (drum machine)... > >I have been using a pair of EDP units for about a month... > >Today I tried syncing them all together... > >It goes: EDP to drum machine to other EDP > >Is there a way to have more than one master unit in a MIDI chain? > >I'd like to be able to start any one unit and have it become the master "On the fly" so to speak... > >Is this possible? If you just consider the EDP's, then yes this is absolutely possible by using the BrotherSync function. That is exactly what it is for, since it let's any "brother" set the sync for the others instead of there being one master. It has been discussed in the past on the list, follow this link to search the archives about it: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=brothersync&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=500&maxlines=10&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=filelist When you include other midi devices like your electribe in the scenario it becomes more complicated since they don't have such a feature, and midi is a one-way sort of protocol. You could probably experiment with different midi configs along with BrotherSync and maybe find something that works for you. Probably though you need some extra device that lets you do midi switching and merging. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24370; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:45:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: RE: Case Stands Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:35:26 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c19cac$819d1d30$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000d01c19c88$fc07a7d0$172f04d1@home> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would you mind telling me of a good manufacturer of one? My rack is really heavy as it contains some major oddball stuff. Thanks c -----Original Message----- From: future perfect [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 6:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Case Stands You can split it up into 2 6-space racks, and use a normal amp stand for each one. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space > rack at an angle so I can access it easier during a live > performance? Thanks A lot for the info. Regards, c.white > > www.magicicada.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:09:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25193; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:54:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <180.20d591a.2973aeab@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:46:51 EST Subject: Re: cycloops (and digressions) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/13/2002 8:22:13 PM, just-john@just-john.com writes: >(And hi, jhno! I'm eagerly awaiting that Radial software release!) same, here..... both in greeting, and in await-mode. and: thanks for the great pluggo-plugs: so useful, to me! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25373; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:55:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:48:29 -0800 Subject: Re: cycloops (and digressions)L.A. From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have always dug LA but her latest forays have left me wanting somethin w/ more beef or somethin... i dont know if its because she took singin lessons (i thought her whole point was against formal training etc.) or maybe its her marriage to . oh well artists always grow in uneven ways-some of it better than others imho s o superman >> on 1/12/02 2:52 AM, jhno at ear@subminimal.com wrote: >> >>> >>>> "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." -Laurie >>>> Anderson >>> >>> well, maybe freedom could be this optional mode... >>> >>> jhno >>> >> Hey, off topic, did others on the list buy the last Laurie album. That >> quote came from it. I was very disappointed in it, for the most part. A >> few good tracks, but... not sure. I felt the same way about Strange Angels >> (though others here disagreed) but I loved Bright Red/Tightrope. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > I have the lastest L.A. album, and have listened to it, but I don't > remember any of it. So I must not have DISliked it, but it doesn't say > anything FOR it, either. My faves are still the early ones, from Big > Science thru US I-IV. What I liked about Strange Angels was that it seemed > to be her journey into "normal" songwriting and singing -- I could imagine > covering "Hiawatha" with just vocals over acoustic guitar. > > > (And hi, jhno! I'm eagerly awaiting that Radial software release!) > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00653; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:13:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:13:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:02:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: NAMM meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It didn't seem like a firm Looper's Delight meeting time was ever sorted out for NAMM. I think it would be fun to see others there, so let's try to do that. It sounded like there were some people only going Friday, and some only going Saturday. Probably more saturday, so let's make that the main meeting day. Make the time 1:00, since noon is too crazy. The "minimalist" Electro-Harmonix booth will be convenient and easy to spot others in, so let's meet there. Got that? Saturday, 1:00, Electro-Harmonix. If you are only there Friday, I'll stop by Electro-Harmonix at 1:00 that day too and we can have a mini-meeting. Anybody else around that day stop by. I'm planning to be at the show Friday and Saturday, maybe a little bit Sunday. Say hello if you see me wandering about. I should be pretty easy to spot, as there probably won't be more than 10-20 people there with a half-mohawk extending halfway down their back and dyed bright blue. I'll also be at Disneyland on Thursday, you might catch me in the Pirates of the Caribbean. yo-ho-ho-ho a pirates life for me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:43:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01526; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:28:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:28:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:23:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: NAMM meeting Resent-Message-ID: <5Z0YSD.A.lS.8rmQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'll also be at Disneyland on Thursday, you might catch me in the Pirates >of the Caribbean. yo-ho-ho-ho a pirates life for me. > Now, THERE's a potential goldmine of samples to loop! Tr1:yo-ho-ho! yo-ho-ho! yo-ho-ho! yo-ho-ho! yo-ho-ho! Tr2: Arrrrrrrhhh! Arrrrrrrhhh! Arrrrrrrhhh! Arrrrrrrhhh! Tr2: yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! yo-ho yo! Break it down! (Bottle o rum! Bottle o rum!) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02180; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C426CFD.DA6E629E@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:30:38 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM meeting References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > I should be pretty easy to > spot, as there probably won't be more than 10-20 people there with a > half-mohawk extending halfway down their back and dyed bright blue. I hope somebody's bringing a camera... --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 02:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07586; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:55:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:55:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C42814E.7050C908@ripco.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:57:21 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight CC: GrantStrombeck Subject: "5 by 5" Saturday, Jan. 19 in Chicago References: <5.0.1.4.0.20020110104021.00abd040@pop.artic.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This event will feature invented instruments in an experimental improvised music context. There'll be a couple Echoplexs in use, perhaps some software looping, mixed with other forms of electronic and electroacoustic processing, and so this Saturday evening may be the closest thing to a "Midwest Loop Fest" at this time, at least for the start of 2002... "5 by 5" An evening of electroacoustic music performed on new and unusual instruments... Grant Strombeck (electronic pick-up sticks on drums and cymbals) Eric Leonardson (Springboard, electronics) Greg O'Drobinak (Number 4 instrument) Nick Sondy (bass, electronics) Bob Falesch (laptop) 9:30 p.m. Saturday January 19th, at The Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave., Chicago (773) 728-5010). The evening begins with five consecutive 15-minute solos, concluding with one piece by the entire group. Oh, and the tickets are real real cheap... About the artists... Born (1938) in Chicago, Illinois, Grant Strombeck has a wide background in jazz and performs regularly on drum-set, homemade invented instruments, marimba and electronics. He has constructed homemade instruments and has modified instruments to suit a timbre-favored penchant for unfixed musical themes. He was an invited artist to Sound Symposium 2000 in St. Johns, Newfoundland and has performed locally in clubs, galleries and on national radio. Strombeck also performs works using mixed-means. In his "Suite for Sonic and Lumens" he combines computer generated rotary machines and lights with live sounds. Greg O'Drobinak is an instrument inventor, improvisor and electronics engineer. He has played in the FROG Gamelan Ensemble at the University of Chicago for the past fourteen years and has improvised with a variety of groups including the ESS Big Band, the Garage Orchestra and ensembles led by David Hunter and Tom Paynter. Over the past eleven years Greg has built and performed with a number of unique electro-acoustic instruments which include the Trapazaws, the Arc of the Oven and the Toaster Tower. He has also designed and constructed a number of custom sound processing devices for other artists and his own personal use. His current projects include the recording and processing of various natural and artificial soundscapes, the design of new electro-acoustic instruments, performance controllers and computer controlled signal processors. Nick Sondy is an improvisor, bass player and a composer of analog tape compositions. He plays regularly with the Sacred Baboons. He has performed and recorded with Jack Wright and Grant Strombeck. Nick's work was recently featured on a CD/zine compilation produced by Pittsburgh-based IBOL Records: http://www.geocities.com/IBOLrecords/ Bob Falesch has been an active performer and producer in Chicago's new music scene for many years. His work with computer and electronics can be heard on releases with Chris Heenan, Bob Marsh, Sue Wolf, Jack Wright, and Michael Zerang. Thank you and... Best regards, Eric -- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: Saturday January 19, 9:30 pm. "5 by 5" at The Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave., Chicago. Grant Strombeck (electronic pick-up sticks on drums & cymbals); Eric Leonardson (Springboard & electronics); Greg O'Drobinak (Number 4 instrument); Nick Sondy (bass & electronics); Bob Falesch (laptop). The Nervous Center phone: (773) 728-5010. Opening February 23, 2002: Plasticene's "And So I May Return" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave., Chicago. For more info call (312) 409-0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 03:11:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13150; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:56:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:56:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:49:39 -0800 Subject: Re: NAMM meeting 16sec. From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1-2NMC.A.aGD.k2oQ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i never been to namm(dont know anybody that would let or want me go...) but since you will be at EH booth could somebody get some solid hearsay about <16sec.delay> being re-released. there is so much rumour and innuendo concerning this unit and i have lusted after this box since forever i'd really like to get the lowdown.thanx s > It sounded like there were some people only going Friday, and some only > going Saturday. Probably more saturday, so let's make that the main meeting > day. Make the time 1:00, since noon is too crazy. The "minimalist" > Electro-Harmonix booth will be convenient and easy to spot others in, so > let's meet there. Got that? Saturday, 1:00, Electro-Harmonix. > > If you are only there Friday, I'll stop by Electro-Harmonix at 1:00 that > day too and we can have a mini-meeting. Anybody else around that day stop by. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 04:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19761; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020114005949.050da8b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:06:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: NAMM meeting 16sec. In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020113203636.050e8680@annihilist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I asked Mike Matthews about it either last year or the year before. They were working on it, although it sounded like a complicated revision of the original idea rather than simply recreating it. (a difficult thing since key components used were discontinued a long long time ago.) But if I remember the conversation right there were a lot of problems in getting it done, culminating in some sort of dispute with the designer and the project was dropped. It really really didn't sound like he had any plans to start it up again. I'm not expecting to find one in their lone display case this year. kim At 11:49 PM 1/13/2002, Stan Card wrote: >hey i never been to namm(dont know anybody that would let or want me >go...) but since you will be at EH booth could somebody get some solid >hearsay about <16sec.delay> being re-released. there is so much rumour and >innuendo concerning this unit and i have lusted after this box since >forever >i'd really like to get the lowdown.thanx >s ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 09:59:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12132; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:45:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:45:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:45:32 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d12$7ff4b400$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >DialaThos@aol.com writes: > snipples - >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, then >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta p.i.t.a., >really, and a bit touchy. >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o >playing anything into the unit. >best, >dt / splattercell > or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the insert button and slur it in. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 14:19:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04257; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:04:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:04:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:57:02 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_eventide_dsp4000?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.0.145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA02655 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello David congrats for your DSP4K!! The only way to get a manual for that is to contact Eventide directly; more info at : http://www.eventide.com/admin/manuals.htm As far as input overload, you should tell me what patches give you this problem. The more specific you can be, the better I can help you. The unit should work fine with input set at 0.0dB, unity level. Also some routing choices in your Switchblade can cause the problem. Eventide has a Customers Support and Forum, EVENTIDEHELPS, w/real time online conference support via Yahoo Messenger. I'll be glad to help you there if you subscribe. We are at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ Post message: eventidehelps@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: eventidehelps-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: eventidehelps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: eventidehelps-owner@yahoogroups.com best regards Italo De Angelis >greetings fellow loopers ! >i have just picked up a DSP4000 for my guitar rig .... and i dont have >the manual. >It 'lives' in my switchblade gl, and i am having problems with >overloading the inputs on some patches, i have [naturally] knocked >down the input gain on the eventide, but i was wondering why the >inpurt only overloads on some patches .... >can anyone help ?? >David >one less than none >http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 16:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12433; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:52:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:52:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c19d3c$546e5500$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <01c19d12$7ff4b400$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:44:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does long press of Insert do? How do you employ it? I'll check the manual later- Thanks. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > -----Original Message----- > From: Hedewa7@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > >DialaThos@aol.com writes: > > > > snipples - > >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. > >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, > then > >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta p.i.t.a., > >really, and a bit touchy. > >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the > >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o > >playing anything into the unit. > >best, > >dt / splattercell > > > or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the > insert button and slur it in. > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 17:30:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22203; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:15:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:15:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:16:18 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d51$7883cd20$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff - Insert, normally does just that, an insert which is added to the loop, mid, beginning or end point of said loop - subject to press of switch. When having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. A long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going straight to the reverse mode of operation. Thus, enabling another Insert (additional stuff) into the loop. This way you don't have to do a parameter change. Yeah, it's cool! Thanks Matthias, Kim, et al! Not sure if it's in the manual, I can only attest from first foot usage. If it's not in the manual it's a tip and you should use it well. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >What does long press of Insert do? How do you employ it? I'll check the >manual later- Thanks. > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pedro Felix" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:45 AM >Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hedewa7@aol.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM >> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >> >DialaThos@aol.com writes: >> > >> >> snipples - >> >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. >> >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, >> then >> >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta >p.i.t.a., >> >really, and a bit touchy. >> >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the >> >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o >> >playing anything into the unit. >> >best, >> >dt / splattercell >> > >> or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the >> insert button and slur it in. >> best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25114; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:51:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:51:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c19d4d$0cf96c80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <01c19d51$7883cd20$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:44:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4AEMyB.A.d-F.k91Q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That IS awesome. I use Insert=Rev all the time- and although I'm getting pretty swift at changing params on the fly this is a great shortcut/tool- Thanks for letting me in on it- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > Cliff - > Insert, normally does just that, an insert which is added to the loop, mid, > beginning or end point of said loop - subject to press of switch. When > having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting > Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. A > long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going > straight to the reverse mode of operation. Thus, enabling another Insert > (additional stuff) into the loop. This way you don't have to do a parameter > change. Yeah, it's cool! Thanks Matthias, Kim, et al! > Not sure if it's in the manual, I can only attest from first foot usage. If > it's not in the manual it's a tip and you should use it well. > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford@BienAppraisers > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > > >What does long press of Insert do? How do you employ it? I'll check the > >manual later- Thanks. > > > >Cliff > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Pedro Felix" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:45 AM > >Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Hedewa7@aol.com > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM > >> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > >> >DialaThos@aol.com writes: > >> > > >> > >> snipples - > >> >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" function. > >> >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an integer, > >> then > >> >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta > >p.i.t.a., > >> >really, and a bit touchy. > >> >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the > >> >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- w/o > >> >playing anything into the unit. > >> >best, > >> >dt / splattercell > >> > > >> or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the > >> insert button and slur it in. > >> best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28627; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:22:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:22:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <16d.7264d27.2974c07b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:15:07 EST Subject: INSERT / ESREVER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16d.7264d27.2974c07b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16d.7264d27.2974c07b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 4:11:11 PM Central Standard Time, PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: > When > having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting > Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. > A > long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going > straight to the reverse mode of operation. Could you explain this in detail ... as if it were in the manual? I just want to be sure of what you are talking about, it sounds very cool and I want to try it... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_16d.7264d27.2974c07b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 4:11:11 PM Central Standard Time, PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes:


    When
    having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting
    Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. A
    long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going
    straight to the reverse mode of operation.


    Could you explain this in detail ... as if it were in the manual?

    I just want to be sure of what you are talking about, it sounds very cool and I want to try it...

    Thanks,
    Gregory Bruce Campbell
    www.mp3.com/freakwincing
    www.kickstartchubby.com
    Please, NO forwards...
    --part1_16d.7264d27.2974c07b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29485; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:33:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.77] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ? bass audio trigger sampled/drum Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:25:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 23:25:31.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[C277E140:01C19D52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been sampling drum sounds with a quadra verb and triggering them with bass slaps. It seems to be working well, but I wonder if I could optimize it better, the triggering that is. Right now I have a Beringer compressor on insert of the bass channel. I am triggering on assigned 1/2 sub channels into the quadraV, returning into.....well the return on the mixer. duh, This sounds so intelligent. Anyway, I am compressing the bass just above the trigger point. I'm wondering if there might be a better way to do this. The 2/compressor has an insert in it for ducking. I've been using a DR-5 for a source of the drums. Any takers out there? Denis Aldrich _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:52:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29852; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:37:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:37:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <142.7d9b527.2974c41a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:30:34 EST Subject: ok to offer Boomerang? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it OK to offer my Boomerang for sale on this site?? 200.00 thamnks paul adams From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30319; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:44:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:44:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:45:19 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d5d$e8552ca0$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff - no prob. You should hear the music I create with it! do the same, only better than me, cause it'll be yours! Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >That IS awesome. I use Insert=Rev all the time- and although I'm getting >pretty swift at changing params on the fly this is a great shortcut/tool- >Thanks for letting me in on it- > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pedro Felix" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:16 PM >Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... > > >> Cliff - >> Insert, normally does just that, an insert which is added to the loop, >mid, >> beginning or end point of said loop - subject to press of switch. When >> having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting >> Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. >A >> long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going >> straight to the reverse mode of operation. Thus, enabling another Insert >> (additional stuff) into the loop. This way you don't have to do a >parameter >> change. Yeah, it's cool! Thanks Matthias, Kim, et al! >> Not sure if it's in the manual, I can only attest from first foot usage. >If >> it's not in the manual it's a tip and you should use it well. >> best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Clifford@BienAppraisers >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >> >> >> >What does long press of Insert do? How do you employ it? I'll check the >> >manual later- Thanks. >> > >> >Cliff >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Pedro Felix" >> >To: >> >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:45 AM >> >Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Hedewa7@aol.com >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:39 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Is there such a function as..... >> >> >DialaThos@aol.com writes: >> >> > >> >> >> >> snipples - >> >> >>have 2 seconds of silence after it. Sort of an "extend loop" >function. >> >> >the kludgey workaround in repeater would be to 'multiply' by an >integer, >> >> then >> >> >erase just the section(s) of audio what ya don't want..... sorta >> >p.i.t.a., >> >> >really, and a bit touchy. >> >> >very easy to do on edp, though..... just end a 'multiply' w/the >> >> >'record'-function, where ya want the new loop-end to be, i think --- >w/o >> >> >playing anything into the unit. >> >> >best, >> >> >dt / splattercell >> >> > >> >> or if in reverse mode while overdubbing you can do a long press of the >> >> insert button and slur it in. >> >> best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >> >> >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 19:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02463; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:05:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201141905.AA32571696@mail.vrinter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Rich Kroll" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: ok to offer Boomerang? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What version is it? If it's 2.0 I'll take it.... sales@rkmusicstore.com Rich ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:30:34 EST >Is it OK to offer my Boomerang for sale on this site?? 200.00 > >thamnks > >paul adams > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 19:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02436; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:34 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d62$8d1676a0$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snippit >> - see end of message for pertinent information! -----Original Message----- From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: INSERT / ESREVER >In a message dated 1/14/2002 4:11:11 PM Central Standard Time, >PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: > >> When >> having the Insert set to reverse function as I usually employ, hitting >> Insert toggles back and forth from playing the loop in forward to reverse. >> A >> long press of Insert enables it to work as intended instead of going >> straight to the reverse mode of operation. > >Could you explain this in detail ... as if it were in the manual? Greg - sorry, i'm not sure if it's in the manual. It's just something I do. I explainied it the way I use it. Then again, I use it a few other ways also. > >I just want to be sure of what you are talking about, it sounds >very cool yep, it is! hope my earlier description is close enough. and >I want to try it... I agree. You should try out gear before you buy them. Or at least get as many different opinions and insights. Hopefully you live in an area of the world where you can get your paws on some of this gear and make the most informed decision. >Thanks, >Gregory Bruce Campbell wish I could be of more help. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >www.mp3.com/freakwincing >www.kickstartchubby.com >Please, NO forwards... > PS - no HTML. kinda house rules. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:02:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10008; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:48:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:48:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:35:24 EST Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.20b848f6.2974e15c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <5rPQ_B.A.sNC.nd4Q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c8.20b848f6.2974e15c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh no, you misunderstood me... I have two EDP's now... I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I can toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining something completely different... I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make the EDP's function in this way? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_c8.20b848f6.2974e15c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh no, you misunderstood me...

    I have two EDP's now...

    I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I can toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining something completely different...

    I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make the EDP's function in this way?

    Thanks,
    Gregory Bruce Campbell
    www.mp3.com/freakwincing
    www.kickstartchubby.com
    Please, NO forwards...
    --part1_c8.20b848f6.2974e15c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:26:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12590; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:11:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:07:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: NAMM Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK Pilgrims, Rick and I will arrive at John Wayne Airport at 11:45am Saturday, which probably will mean we can't make a 1:00 rendezvous at EH, we will go strait to the convention center, but with the drive from the airport and all, I doubt we can be there on time. I will be traveling under an assumed name "Chris Cousineau" (thanks to a local music store), as Renaissance/Rick Turner Guitars will not have a booth this year. I will be bringing my renaissance baritone guitar with me in case anyone is interested in checking our stuff out. I hope to see you all there. Bill Walker chillyb@cruzio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:31:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12845; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:16:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:16:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C432D44.6A46CE46@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:11:02 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Oh no, you misunderstood me... > > I have two EDP's now... > > I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I > can toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining > something completely different... > > I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make > the EDP's function in this way? maybe this helps: http://loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex_reverse.html http://loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf pages 47-54, 92 bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15334; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:58:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:58:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:59:03 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d78$f8c54a00$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -snips -- important correction included in plain text of message -----Original Message----- From: KkstrtChby@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER >Oh no, you misunderstood me... > >I have two EDP's now... mea culpa. I should have gone back to the original thread. Dude, crack the manual. Then step on all the pedals. > >I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I can >toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining something >completely different... click on parameters to the Keys setting, click the Insert button until it reads REV. Then hold the parameters button down. That parameter has now been changed. Now after recording a loop. hit the insert button. cool it's in reverse. Now do a long press of the Insert button. Now you get an additional amount of space added to the loop. CORRETION hey all, just checked this on a more simple setting and I was wrong. It does not add time to the loop. BUT, it clears and puts in whatever new info you would want to place in the loop. So a 3 second loop does not increase in time, nor is it stretched as I have described. It is do-able in other ways as described by dt. Seems to me and because I know how I play (lots of long loops), I was confused as when I am in rev, I like to slur in back ward pieces and add them over the original loop. It's cool for doing end to end looping in forward and reverse, but no reason to mix it all up again. Let's just say I like to mess with the EDP in funny ways. > >I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make the >EDP's function in this way? See above parameter settings. Then re-check the manual and come up with some crazy stuff! > >Thanks, >Gregory Bruce Campbell best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >www.mp3.com/freakwincing >www.kickstartchubby.com >Please, NO forwards... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16598; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: , Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:02:54 -0600 Message-ID: <01c19d79$824d6b40$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <1hq6K.A.MsD.uo5Q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: Bobdog To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER >> Oh no, you misunderstood me... >> >> I have two EDP's now... >> >> I wanted to know how and / or where to set up the perimeters so that I >> can toggle the reverse thing with the insert ... maybe I'm imagining >> something completely different... >> >> I was hoping you would explain step by step what you are doing to make >> the EDP's function in this way? > >maybe this helps: > >http://loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex_reverse.html > >http://loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf >pages 47-54, 92 > >bobdog > > bobdude - To the rescue. Your cd's are smoking. The live disc is so smooth, I had to keep checking to make sure it was the right disc. Getting many more recording's done. am going to send you another as you sent me two. best, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19544; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:43:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:43:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C4341B3.2A6D3AF5@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:38:14 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER References: <01c19d79$824d6b40$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > To the rescue. Your cd's are smoking. The live disc is so smooth, I had to > keep checking to make sure it was the right disc. > Getting many more recording's done. am going to send you another as you sent > me two. > best, Pedro thanks pedro - i'm continuing to dig your cd & look forward to hearing more. if you are into listening to something that lives somewhere between pseudo buddha and the more ethereal soundscape thing (ala steve roach/robert rich/tom heasley) you should look into the new dreamland cd "underwater". dreamland is keyboardist/extendend vocalist johnny rodriguez & ld list member guitar loopist james h sidlo. i'm not objective at all about this cd since i recorded most of it, mastered it, appear on one (long) tune & have put it out on my fledgling micro-label dogfingers recordings http://dogfingers.com/ but all of that notwithstanding, it really is a good listen. check it out... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 23:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23514; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:31:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:31:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C43AEE4.571F2F53@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:24:04 -0800 From: Randy Greene X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case Stands References: <002201c19c82$1c5b6dc0$d58ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <54UVgC.A.goF.576Q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used various odds and ends from Ultimate Support Systems to build my own stand. Its like a mini A-frame stand with 26 inch wide tiers. Check out the "Thinker Toys" section of their web site http://www.ultimatesupport.com/mainframe.htm. You can build practically anything out of this stuff. christopher white wrote: > > Hello! > Can any of you recommend a stand that will hold my 12 space rack at an > angle so I can access it easier during a live performance? Thanks A lot > for the info. > Regards, > c.white > > www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 04:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11722; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:50:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:50:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115002940.04aa6e08@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:39:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: INSERT / ESREVER In-Reply-To: <01c19d78$f8c54a00$9268580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:59 PM 1/14/2002, Pedro Felix wrote: >click on parameters to the Keys setting, click the Insert button until it >reads REV. Then hold the parameters button down. That parameter has now been >changed. Now after recording a loop. hit the insert button. cool it's in >reverse. Now do a long press of the Insert button. Now you get an additional >amount of space added to the loop. >CORRETION >hey all, just checked this on a more simple setting and I was wrong. It does >not add time to the loop. >BUT, it clears and puts in whatever new info you would want to place in the >loop. Long press on the insert button drops you into the Replace function. We didn't know what else to do with the long press on Insert, so this seemed like a good nugget to put there. Replace is also available as another insert mode if you just want that function and don't want to deal with the long presses. I love replace, personally, especially doing quick stabs on it to string together collages of discontinuous stuff in real-time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 05:49:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20844; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:34:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:34:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <14a.74336a8.29755e09@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:27:21 EST Subject: Re: NAMM (Thanks Renaissance Guitars) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/15/02 2:06:53 AM, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: << I will be bringing my renaissance baritone guitar with me in case anyone is interested in checking our stuff out. >> Just thought I'd take this opportunity to publicly thank Bill and Rick for the recent post to the list concerning the deal that Renaissance was running for Loopers Delight members. Just so happened that at the time I was in the market for/ checking out nylon strung acoustics and I was able to take advantage of the offering. I'm now the proud owner/ operator of a beautiful RN6-H. The workmanship, playability and sound of this guitar is unsurpassed compared to anything I had checked out previously. Great job. So, if your at NAMM, definitely look Rick and Bill up and check out the guitars. Thanks again Renaissance and good luck at NAMM. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 07:54:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30788; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:39:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:39:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <96.2067c2c6.29757b30@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:31:44 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #25 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 14/01/02 23:08:09 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > My rack is > really heavy as it contains some major oddball stuff. Hmmm , a list would be nice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 07:55:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30789; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:39:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:39:37 -0500 Old-Return